November 27, 2024 • 48 mins
The Nov. 27, 2024, edition of USCHO.com's PodKaz features hosts Nicole Haase and Todd Milewski looking back at split series between No. 2 Ohio State and Minnesota State, No. 3 Minnesota and No. 10 St. Cloud State and No. 11 Boston College and No. 14 UConn.
The second segment is a rundown of upcoming international play, including the Six Nations Tournament in Finland with U.S. and Canada rosters made up of college players.
And the final part of the show covers what's coming on Thanksgiving weekend, with a number of East-West matchups and two tournaments, plus the start of the PWHL season.
The PodKaz is a production of USCHO.com. Have a question for our mailbag? Reach out to Nicole (@NicoleHaase) or Todd (@ToddMilewski) on social media or email todd.milewski@uscho.com.
The second segment is a rundown of upcoming international play, including the Six Nations Tournament in Finland with U.S. and Canada rosters made up of college players.
And the final part of the show covers what's coming on Thanksgiving weekend, with a number of East-West matchups and two tournaments, plus the start of the PWHL season.
The PodKaz is a production of USCHO.com. Have a question for our mailbag? Reach out to Nicole (@NicoleHaase) or Todd (@ToddMilewski) on social media or email todd.milewski@uscho.com.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Uscho dot com. Hi again, Welcome to the podcast. I'm
Todd Mleski here with Nicole Hosey from us echo dot
com or a weekly look at NCAA Women's hockey. Nicole here.
We are at Thanksgiving weekend, which gets us into some
tournament play, but I want to take a quick look
(00:24):
back at what we saw last weekend, which to my
eyes was a lot of games where teams that were
out shot ended up pulling out wins. You know, tip
of the hap to the goalies and a lot of
those situations. But that's you don't see that a ton
where a team gets out shot by ten to fifteen
shots and still is able to come out with a
win like I saw Princeton do against Colegate, we saw
(00:48):
like Colgate, then turn it around against Quinnipiac, Minnesota State,
getting a win against Ohio State. These are all all
games that the team has relied on good goaltending, got
to the finish line with scoring enough goals.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Absolutely, But also yeah, there were there were some good
upsets this weekend, right, and I think to the not
just that they were upsets, but they were again they
were complete games from those teams that did it. You know,
the biggest thing of that Minnesota State upstate set for
me over number two Ohio State was that they nearly
pulled it off the day before, and I really expected
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Ohio State to come back and sort of like really proove,
you know, because no offense to Minnesota State, Ohio State's
a pretty darn good team, right like when they are
hitting on all cylinders like that's that they're literally the
number two team in the country. So I really expected
them to sort of buckle down and you know, sink
Cloud State also upset Minnesota and in that first game
(01:49):
they lost five too. I kind of expected sort of
the opposite, right Like, I thought that that since they
they Ohio State won in overtime, you know, nearly lost
the game Ohio State had the Minnesota State had the
game on their stick. I really just expected kind of
a smack town and so I thought the most impressive
part of that Minnesota State upset is just that, you know,
(02:09):
they they came back after proving that they could push
Ohio State to the very brink and then completed it
the second day. That's that's hard to do it against
a team like Ohio State, who's gonna you know, sort
of regather and regroup and and have that fire to
you know, sort of really prove their dominance. So that
to me coming back and winning that second one was
so much. It showed so much about the Mavericks. But yeah,
(02:32):
it was. There were some interesting games, and I think,
you know, those teams that were out shooting, you know
that loss, that there's just been a bit more of that,
like sort of wildly fling the puck and see what happens.
And I think there's a fine line there of like
get pucks to the net, but don't just wildly fling
the puck around and hope for the best. So I
don't like there's there's a middle ground there that that
(02:53):
takes some finesse, and I felt like maybe some of
those teams didn't find that place right.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, let's zoom in a little bit more on that
Ohio State Minnesota State series. A game that went to
overtime on Friday, Like you're saying, tied at one to one,
Minnesota State has you know, a shot at a virtually
empty net in the three on three hits the post.
Ohio State goes the other way and eventually scores a
winner through Joey donn for a two to one win.
But like you said, Minnesota State, you know, either just
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shook that off or was even more motivated because of it.
And on the House State side, there wasn't the push
that maybe you thought there was going to be, because
it ended up being four to one for the Mavericks
on Saturday afternoon with an empty net goal. But it
seemed like a pretty you know, a performance where they
got thirty saves from Haley Hansen and goal and we're
(03:45):
all shot thirty one to twelve. Obviously, making the most
limited opportunities is a big thing when you're playing Ohio State,
when you're playing in Wisconsin, when you're playing some of
these top teams, and it seemed like that's what Mancata
was able to do. Is maybe they did didn't get
the the most shots of the best quality shots, but
they when they when they got them, they ended up
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going in.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I just thirty shots is actually quite
low for Ohio State too, write like we're talking about
a discrepancy, but I feel like it's not like they
asked their goalie to to make fifty five saves. They
held a state pretty well in check as well, so
it wasn't. It wasn't just a matter of like praying
on one end and getting lucky on the other. So
I thought that that whole series is really interesting, like
(04:28):
when I you know, I watched it, but watching on
a stream, you don't get stats and things like that.
So when I was writing the recap and I was,
I assumed there was gonna be a ton of blocks,
and there were there were a dozen blocks, like there
weren't no blocks, but it wasn't the like massive number
I thought that it was going to be in the
shot numbers being low too. I mean, Ohio State does
have injuries. I mean they are down I think to
(04:49):
nine and forwards six, like they're they're as like lower rosters.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
They want to have, uh to put out regularly for
a game. So there's definitely been adjustments for them.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
But yeah, just a sort of a fascinating little series
and just.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
A ton of fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And just wanted to shout out Taylor and Trumba because
she's the player that missed that hit the post in
the overtime game and then she had two goals in
an assist on Saturday, so just you know, really love
that for her because man, that must have been just
heartbreaking to have the game on your stick like that,
know that it was a massive opportunity for your team,
(05:25):
and then not only that, but have it pretty much
go directly the other direction and lose the have the
game be lost. So it was just really excited for
her to be able to have that comeback game as well,
just to you know, they they We've talked about it
kind of with some of these you know, teams towards
the bottom of some of the conference seannings that they're
just they're putting together really good games. It's not one offs,
(05:50):
it's not lucky goals, they're you know, they're getting odd
player rushes, they're passing really well, and like you said,
just really taking taking their opportunities and like making the
most of them.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, the Ohio State or on Minnesota state side, four
points out of six and a series is you know,
most most times is pretty good. When it's Ohio State,
it's really good. House State now has has dropped seventeen
points this season through fourteen games, so halfway through the
wh A schedule, and all of last season when they
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were just ran through everyone WHA they lost eight points total.
So it's it's been more of a challenge for them,
and like you said, the numbers haven't been there some
of the season, they've you know, been relying it really
on three lines. It's it's still trying to find the
(06:44):
right workings. I think with the you know who plays
with who and and introducing new people into the lineup.
We know they're going to be there in the end,
but right now it feels like there's a there's kind
of a one step forward, maybe half a step back
kind of thing with the buck Eyes.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, and I also think like they they've been they've
had the privilege the last few years of things just
kind of working really well, you know, like their lines
were clicking, they weren't dealing with a ton of injuries
like things I wouldn't I won't say came easy because
we know that they worked for them. But this season
they're having to work even harder to make the stuff
(07:24):
that kind of I think came naturally the last couple
of seasons, and that's just it's just learning pain learning
and growing pains. And as you said, they'll be there
at the end, they'll figure it out, but right now
they're in that part where stuff that probably came without
much thought in the past that just sort of worked.
I think they really have to like drill in on
and take the time and examine and make it happen
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in a way that maybe they haven't had two in
recent seasons.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So we'll get back to the State of Minnesota in
a little while here, but let's go out the ECAC
where Quinnipiac had another opportunity to really take some steps forward.
Leading three to one going into the third against Cornell
on Friday, tied one to one in the third against
Colgate on Saturday, and they come away with well, I
(08:09):
was about to say one point one and a half
points because of the uh it goes. It ends up
as a tie three through with Cornell on Friday and
then a four to one loss to Colgate on Saturday.
That's a rough couple of home that's a rough home weekend.
You know you're gonna be challenged by those teams. But
when you have those opportunities, like I was just saying
with Minnesota State, you have those opportunities in that situation,
(08:33):
it's you know, puck on your stick. This situation is
tie game in the third period. You really need to
make the most out of that, and they just weren't
able to do this weekend.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Sure, And it's a bit of a swap too, right,
because a couple of weeks ago, they.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
You know, beat Clarkson pretty easily, they beat Saint Lawrence.
They're coming you know, they're coming out of a stretch
where like they won games that that were tough were
going to be tough for them, and so I felt
like they probably had pretty good confidence going into this weekend.
And yeah, the results were kind of the complete opposite.
So I mean, I think that's the part of battling
(09:07):
at the top of the ECAC. It's you know, for
years wha fans talked about the top teams beating each
other up, and we're seeing that in the ECAC for
sure this year, and not just you know, one or
two teams, but a good five or six of them
at the top of the ECAC. But yeah, for Winnipec,
it was just about you know, really completing that game, right,
(09:27):
like playing that full sixty minutes and so maybe the
break is coming at a good time for them, and
just need to find that little extra bit because you know,
they played really well, they had themselves ahead and then
letting that sup away. I think is it's not the
loss so much as the way the losses came about, right,
or the loss and the tie.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
In that Saturday game, Colegates win at Quinnipiac Culty Culton
Covia scored two goals to go into the national goal
scoring lead with fifteen. So that's a kind of a
you know, we're seeing those numbersuple a little bit here
before we get to the very fifteen goals, fourteen goals
being in the national lead, and so we're gonna we're
gonna see that that number whoever ends up winning that
(10:10):
it's gonna be in the thirties again, and it's gonna
be a could be a big number if if some
of these patterns hold.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
She also it was her one hundredth career goal, and
according to Colgate, she's the only active NCAA player with
one hundred career goals. I didn't have a chance to
dig super deep, but kind of went on some of
the you know, looked at like Casey O'Brien's totals, somebody
anybody at Colgate to see if anybody else was close,
and yeah, I didn't find any, So I assume that
(10:37):
they had that correct but yeah, that's a that's a
pretty a massive you know, we're gonna I will get
into some of this, but all of the fifth year players,
you know, that are are setting new records and breaking
old ones, are gonna have some asterisks on the side
of those records. And you know, I think that's it
just something that's going to happen. And I don't know,
(10:58):
I'm a little torn on it. I do both think
that we want to mark that it was maybe more
games than the other players had. But I also I
was saying to you, I have a kind of incomplete
thought about how see, there's some records that will never
be beat, like NCAA records, because it used to be
that one player dominated. You know, we weren't seeing several,
you know, ten twenty thirty goal scorers on one team.
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There was one player getting all of those points. And
so some of the national scoring records are just never
going to be touched because no team is going to
score enough goals that one person gets that total, right,
And so I feel like maybe the fifth years evening
something that out. I'm not sure what exactly my full
thought is on that, but it is an interesting way
(11:43):
of making some of those previously unreachable things that happened
when it was just a very different game, you know, ten, fifteen,
twenty years ago. Some of those records will fall now,
and so you know, good, bad or otherwise. It's happening.
So I think everybody needs to accept it. But yeah,
I think it's pretty cool that to be the only
hundred goal scorer currently in the NCAA, that's that's a
(12:03):
pretty impressive thing for her to reach.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
This week, Colgate came back to win that game on
Saturday after losing the Princeton in overtime on Friday. They
see wonder overtime goal there to get Tigers a key
a few points in their chase, and that's you know,
(12:28):
like we were talking about, this is the way that
ec A C is going right now, is that there
is you know, so much up and down. You're bouncing
back and forth between the high and the low, and
it really feels like, you know what my coaches always say,
you try to be the one that we can consistent.
I haven't seen a lot of that yet, but you
would imagine it's the team that can process things consistently
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that's going to probably have the best chance of coming
out of this rather than a team that you know,
might lose one then feel so bad that it turns
into three losses in a row.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, it's a really good point. I think it's just
the this is the new normal for them and who
can handle that, right, Like Colgate's won, however many conference
titles in a row. And so if you're used to,
you know, being how things were, you need, like you said,
you need to be able to adapt and understand that
you're not gonna win every game. And I don't know,
I mean we were just talking about, ohiose s date
(13:21):
like struggling, and there's still the number two team in
the country, right, so like there's room for that. And
so as you said, you just have to process it
and be able to take what you can from those
and move ahead. And you know, coaches talk a lot
about like not too high, not too low, like you
need to go game to game and like know that
there there are no weekends off, and I think coaches
have always said that, but there's players know that there's
(13:44):
a rhythm to the season where you're not playing one
hundred and ten percent every weekend because it's kind of
just not possible with the really long season, right But
the nature of the conferences right now is that you
really you can't take your you know, take anything off,
and you can't you don't get to relax.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
In the same way.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So you're gonna have to go out every weekend and
find a way to you know, store up some energy
and use the weeks off and the breaks to recharge.
And yeah, I think it's just that's the new normal
in women's college hockey right now, and the teams and
the players that figure that out and how to handle
those ups and downs and mentally and physically because again
it's only November. This season's got several more months. Yeah,
(14:26):
I think that's that's going to be the difference.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Maker right right Over in Hockey East had a really
good series Boston College and Yukon that end up in
a split with two to one goal games. Number eleven
BC beat number fourteen Yukon three to two on Friday,
Louren Glazier with two goals, including the tiebreaker in the
third period. That was a game that again Yukon had
a thirty five twenty two shots advantage, but BC was
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able to overcome that. Then Saturday, Ashley Allard puts Yukon
had to one in the third and that era sorry
in the second period, and that ends up being the
final score. The points are split there. Uh, it's it's
one of those situations now where you know, everyone's still
chasing beu in in hockey so and it's been It's
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not like they're that far separated out from everyone else,
but it does you know, weekends that are split give
be you a chance to you know, keep that top
spot for a while, and for a team that wasn't
necessarily expected to be there. Uh, maybe playing with house
money a little bit, feels like they if they can
go into the break in the in the top spot
in Hockey East, that's a pretty nice looking position for them.
(15:34):
But what did you think about BC and Yukon. I guess,
going with that one.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
First, mostly just how easiely matched they were, right, And
I also thought like so BC had the series last
weekend with BU and that was a little more like
run and gun, right.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
There was a lot of up and down the ice.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I thought the particularly the Saturday game where Connecticut took
the lead in the second and just held it, you know,
for twenty plus minutes, was just really interesting. It's not
what we've seen from these teams and b C, it's
hard to keep BC to one goal at this point.
So I thought that was a really great effort from
from Connecticut. And again it wasn't just you know, one
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goalie performance or things like that. So I think that
will be taped that a lot of other Hockey East
teams will be watching just to see to kind of
how to slow b C down a little bit. But
also I think, just interestingly, like those last two series
with BC have been home and homes, and the home
team is won i think every game, and then that
happened with Saint Cloud in Minnesota too in that split
this weekend. So uh, I don't put a ton in
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home versus a way like the good teams need to
win everywhere. And you know, it's just not like a
thing that I followed too much in terms of like
does it mean, what does it mean?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Who's playing where?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
But it is something I've noticed the last couple of weeks,
particularly with these home We've had a bunch of home
and home series. Interestingly, the home team is pulled out,
So something I'll be keeping an eye on and see
if those splits continue to make a difference. In influence.
You know, how I expect a team to do and
then then how they actually do.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Let's go back to Minnesota and Saint Cloud State. That
was Minnesota winning at home on Friday five to two,
Abby Murphy with a hat trick there, but Saint Cloud
getting the split in the series in Saint Cloud on
Saturday with a three to one win. Sorry for to
one three one might have written this down Row, I'm
gonna have to look this up. Well, while we're talking
(17:29):
about either way, it was. It was a game where
Minnesota was you know, I had the again had the
shots on goal advantage. It was three one. I was
right the first time. And Sonni a Hola makes thirty
eight saves as when the Gophers had a thirty nine
to twenty eight shots on goal advantage. Again, a goalie
(17:49):
can get you very far in hockey. And uh, that
was an opportunity for Saint Cloud to show it like
they have a lot of times, maybe not always aginst
the top teams, wha, but occasionally that too.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well, interestingly, in that one, I mean the Gophers had
twenty three shots in the first period, which is just
a massive shot total, and then just eight in each
of the successive two periods, so a really interesting like
EBB and flow to that game, right and good for
Saint Cloud's for sort of weathering that first period. I
think that probably the momentum and being able to to
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sort of keep that in check and allowed Saint Cloud
to build from there right like they were. They got
out of the first with no score and then you know,
I mean they scored three in a row like Minnesota's
goal came came in the third. So yeah, again, both
this and the Minnesota Sato House t came it. They
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Saint Cloud held the game from start to finish, right
like they they weathered sort of the push from Minnesota,
and then they were the ones scoring the goals and
they got I mean, they got some lucky bounces as well.
They're the two of their shots deflected into the net.
But you know, you also have to be in the
right position and putting the pucks to the front of
the debt for that to happen. So sometimes you just
get the puck luck. It's not as though they weren't
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you know, they weren't putting, they weren't making the shots
that they need to be made. But yeah, for me,
both of those upsets were interesting in that I think
the team that won was controlling more of the game
that you than you would expect based on who they
were playing.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, any other thoughts from this last weekend before we
take a quick break, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Just wanted to You were sort of talking about like
the splits and one team, you know, being able to
control things more. Sacred Heart two big wins over Franklin,
Pierce and lu did not get all of their points
this weekend, right, they tied Post and so, yeah, they
left some points on the table and that allowed Sacred
Hard to open up a little bit more of a
lead in nu Hat. So I just thought that was interesting.
(19:50):
It was something I noted when I was doing some
recaps and things just kind of as you mentioned, like
it opened late, like it gave you a little bit
more breathing room when the teams below of them are
kind of fighting against each other. And I thought that
was a good sort of statement weekend of taking those
two big wins from Fink and Pears for Sacred Heart,
so gave themselves that's still a pretty close race in
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New Hub, but to give themselves a little bit of
a gap.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Well, when we come back we will discuss some of
the rosters that have been released by Canada, US and
other countries for the six Nations tournament. So stay with
us on the podcast. Welcome back to the podcast. Top
Loski here with Nicole Hosey and let's talk a little
(20:37):
bit of international hockey. We've got a a new event
to look into this holiday break. I guess the sixth
Nations Tournament that is happening in Finland and it starts
December eleventh, goes through the fifteenth. The US, Canada, Checchia, Finland,
Switzerland and Sweden all part of that event. And we've
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seen some rosters come out of the US and Canada
and you know, dominated of of course, it's a kind
of a developmental tournament, so the college players abound on
those those two rosters, but also on I believe you
said it was a check yet that had theirs out
as well, and seeing some players who are either in
(21:23):
college or headed towards college being part of that group
as well. What's uh, what are you looking forward to
out of this tournament? First of all, and then we'll
get into the rosters a little bit later, but this
this seems like a really just cool event. To have
in in December for college players.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean just going back. The euro Hockey Tour
apparently is a big deal on the men's side. I
say apparently, like a European Hockey b men's hockey not
at all my wheelhouse. But when I interviewed CHECKI Women's
GM Treesa Sadalova at Worlds last year, she was looking
forward to the fact that they were doing euro Hockey
Tour with the women this year. So this is something
(22:00):
that's been happening outside of this particular. So like when
the international break happened in the US and Canada, we're
doing rivalry series. Several of these teams were playing euro
Hockey Tour games, So this isn't the first.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
This is sort of happening.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's wedged into part of the euro Hockey Tour that
some of the European teams are playing, and they invited
us in Canada to this one, and the teams all
agree that this should be sort of a developmental area.
So I think that's really cool. I think, you know,
you and I both talked to IHF and asked about,
you know, are we gonna get World Juniors for girls?
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And I mean that was a couple of summers ago,
but we got a non answer. And you know, I've
asked Luke Tardifigan, you know, in subsequent years, and he
keeps sort of saying wait and be patient. And I
think that's clear that the federation said, well, we don't
want to be patient and we'll do it ourselves. And
I think that's what's happening here, is that there is
just that gap between you eighteen and the senior national team.
(22:58):
We've got stuff with the PDA. There's just so many
more opportunities for players and to like sort of lose
that development and not be able to act like we
can have touch a player at seventeen and either she
needs to go straight to the senior national team or
she just sort of gets lost.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
In the middle.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
You know that that's such a waste of talent and
it's not something that they would ever do on the
men's side. And so I think kudos to the federations
who obviously just made this decision that like, we need
to do this ourselves. And so, as you said, the
two US and Canada rosters are full of college players,
like that's all that's on it. And then the Canada
(23:36):
or the Chechia roster is interesting because it does have
some of the younger players, but the younger players are
the players we should say, they are players that are
committed to have not yet played the NCAA, not necessarily seventeen,
like there is some interesting several of them are you know,
playing in Sweden and other places, and when they enroll
as nca freshmen will not be necessarily eighteen year old freshmen.
(23:59):
But yeah, yeah, it's a you know that, I think
several recognizable names on the Czechi roster, not and not
just from international play players that have already played in
the NCAA. I'm not sure what age range was decided
upon things like that, but yeah, it's just really exciting
to see.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I hope that it's successful.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I hope that it does what the federations wanted it
to do, because it's just this massive opportunity in a
massive gap worldwide that we are not feeling, and that
is a problem in the US and Canada as well.
So I am also thankful that it's not just that
those two North American nations doing something, but that we're
(24:40):
we're seeing this as a push across you know, six
six countries.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So the Rivalry series is great along those lines for
what it does in November taking up that four Nations
window that had been there. But it was better when
it was the four Nations, when you had more countries
and bringing bringing other countries up along with you. I
felt like it was a big part of that. And
you know, now it's a rivalry series. It's basically, well,
we're we're making each other better here, But that doesn't
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necessarily help the next tier of teams that we want.
We all want to see develop more as countries as
as women's hockey playing countries. We've lost a little bit
of that. So to your point, this is a really
great opportunity to to build some of that back at
at a younger age and in some respect. But going
(25:28):
back to your point about that conversation we had at
the u U eight teens a couple of summers go
here in Madison with Luke Tardiff. I remember that being
and I remember you asking about this and he was
saying about patients, and I had in my head at
that point like, okay, it's good, you know, you'll be patient,
and that's fine, you know, for the you know, for
(25:50):
his perspective, but that also means you're probably saying, let's
let other people take care of this and then we'll
just kind of jump in when it needs sanctioning or
something like that, because that's really the way these things happen.
It's it becomes a there's too much pressure to do it, uh,
and one of the country takes a lead. Others jump
(26:13):
along and it becomes a thing, and then all of
a sudden there's an I double IHF stamp on it
and it has a logo and things like that, and
it becomes an event. And maybe this is something that
follows along those lines.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I don't want to give him too much credit because
I have a lot of thoughts, but I will say that,
particularly in a post COVID universe that IHEF had a
small staff. They there was lost money there, you know,
all of that sort of stuff. I do think they
leave a lot on the table, particularly on the women's side,
but that's you know, I'm trying to be a equin
amused here, but they he basically yeah, basically was like, well,
(26:51):
we don't want to grow too fast and then fail
and like at some point, sir, like just just do
the thing. Like there's this huge women's sports move maybe
you know, be a part of that. But yeah, I
will say I do get just from a like, while
they are the governing body, they are actually quite a small,
you know operation, and the yeah, they do kind of
(27:14):
need the countries to take, uh, you know, the lead
on things. But also like you're you are the leader,
you're the governing body.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's it's a tough situation.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I mean, I didn't love Obviously, it was great that
when we got you eighteens in Madison and that that
opened up a whole thing and journey for me to
be really becovering you eighteens. So I'm always me thankful
for that, But I really hated that they basically were like, well,
if you want to have the tournament, you figure it out. Like, no,
you're the governing body. You're the one that's still holding
the men's and boys tournaments. Like you're the one that's
(27:43):
making decisions that are not like equitable to the players
that have to fall under your umbrella and don't have
a choice about it. And so yeah, I mean I
remember seething a little when he like Luke's laughing and
it's just you and I and him and you know,
in a hallway and he's like, well, we just need
to be Haitian and I was like, ugh, I have
(28:04):
so many not nice words to say right now. And
you know, again, that was two and a half two
years ago, two and a half years ago, that was
the summer of twenty twenty two, and we haven't seen
growth or change from the IHF in any of that
sort of stuff. So the fact that the federations had
to do with themselves, I mean, not all that surprising.
But yeah, I before we go on too much of
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our ant on that, I guess I just yeah, I
both understand that it is a fairly small entity and
also think that they managed to do plenty of stuff
for the men and boys, and so I have little
patience with him and these sort of like oh we
can't grow too fast, we can't do too much sort
of platitudes.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
There's a comparison in my mind to be made between
the double IHF and the NCAA, and that that both
run really really big events on the men's side that
make a lot of money. We know that, and that's
where a lot of money comes from that pays for
a lot of other sports. We know that, we understand
that but there's also a when things kind of turn
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negative towards them, it's like, well, we're just a membership organization.
It's really the the in the NCAA's case, it's the
the schools that make these decisions, or in the wahf's case,
it's well, it's the countries that are making the decisions.
So that that's kind of the way I look at
them as being a little bit of the same type
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of entity there. But there's some some good things, some
bad things about that kind of comparison, I.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Guess, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
And I would just say too that, like I just
get really hung up on the like, well, this makes
money and that doesn't, and like you have to there
has to be buy in. I mean, I think, you know,
I've probably ranted about this before, and we talked about
like we are, what three four years away from the
Women's CU eighteens being broadcast on a fish eye lens
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camera like a ring Norbelle camera that in the ra
in Slovakia, and.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So like, gee, I'm chocked that this is not an
event that like.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I mean, it's not broadcast, it's only you know, only
broadcasts because Canada sends TSN and then ESPN buys t
you know TSN's feed, and then sometimes it's on ESPN.
I just there has to be in all women's sports.
There's just this complete lack of understanding that, like the
product you put out isn't very good. There aren't always
(30:26):
very good commentators. I'm not saying just on you eighteens.
This is I'm not picking on anyone from ts but
like when you don't have great production, when you like
don't have knowledgeable people doing the stuff. When you don't
you know, there's not packages of information, you know, when
you're reading the same bits of information over and over
because you just got like one research sheet. All of
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that happens in women's sports. I mean it's changing, it
has changed a bit, but I mean all of that
stuff leads into whether or not people are going to
watch something. If it's not a good production, that it's
not going to happen, and so, you know, I just
people really sort of underestimate or don't think about, like
the poor process of putting out women's hockey. Like I've
(31:07):
been talking about, like the watching streams that look like
they're taking place in the dark, and then they're like, well,
people aren't watching and it's like, well, yeah, I mean,
I'm an idiot that's got three streams on because you know,
like this is my job. But like I wouldn't want
to watch that either, you know. So when we talked
about the price of having the you know, different subscriptions
(31:29):
to watch all the NCAA games. Anyway, the moral of
the story is it's like, well, it doesn't make money,
like you have to you have to invest, You have
to make it a product that people want to watch.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
The hockey itself is great. You don't have to do
anything there.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
You don't have to convince people if you gave it
a production value that was worth people putting on their television,
and explain who the players were, you know, understood, like
any of the histories, you can say so and so
is being is committed here and they're going to go
play with somebody that they already played with.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Like, not being able to.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Provide any of that doesn't make it an interesting broadcast.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
That's why people aren't watching.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Right, And we should give credit to TSN for what
they've done for the yest thing, for elevating the broadcast
of so much international women's hockey over the last few
years to a point where you do expect high quality
out of those productions, and then so when you don't
get that, it really is a stark kind of slap
(32:25):
in the face of like, oh I remember this now.
So I think that's that's an important part of this too,
is that someone has stopped up and gotten sponsors and
done the legwork on that.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
It's production value and it's not them that and.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
More attempts to find sponsors here on this side of
the border too.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I would also say though that like TSN didn't send
any they sent cameras and production crew to Switzerland last year,
but they did all of their commentating and everything from
in house. So that did mean that like at U
eighteen's the twenty four in Switzerland, I was pretty much
the only English speaking reporter there. So it was me
and the person that works for the IHF that produces
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the content for their tournament website, and we were the
two people in the mix zone. Now, there were occasionally
people from the various countries participating, but like it's not great,
you know, like you're you're not gonna be able to
storytell when it's the production guys just shoving a camera
at you know, a seventeen year old and hoping that
she said something fun. You know, so I will put
(33:31):
that small asterisk on it, and I do get it,
and blessed tis n for what they do because nobody
would get to see any of this. But I also,
you know, like they're the game that they lost to
check you in the semifinals that wasn't broadcast live, so
there's still plenty of work to be done. It's it's
obviously a major soap box for us, and I will
(33:53):
say too, as far as I understand this, Six Nations
will not be broadcast anywhere. I did ask somebody at
USA Hockey and they understood that there will be a
Finland feed stream, so you would need a VPN to
be able to watch it. So, as far as I understand,
that was what we knew as of last week. Could
that change, absolutely, somebody could pick something up. But when
(34:15):
I did ask if this was going to be available
to watch, I was told a finish stream and you
would need a VPN.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
To watch it, so as much as I because.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, my dms are open. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
So on the one hand, this tournament's great and in
a nutshell, you know, the the development is awesome and
that's the most important part here. But it is, you know,
frustrating all people. As soon as it's announced, people are
asking how to watch it, and that means that you're
missing out that it's not being broadcast.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
So that's in Finland, the UA teens also in Finland.
Then in January, so it's a busy, busy Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I leave New Year's Eve day, so I'll be in
it is uh in the suburbs of Helsinki, so yeah,
so I will be there the whole time, covering the
whole tournament.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Very interesting, exciting set up. This year. There are several
off days.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Like last year there was only one day in the
entirety of the tournament with no games, and that's not
happening here, so we'll have some longer days that'll be interesting.
But yeah, I will cover that whole thing over at
the Victory Press, the other website that I write for,
and so definitely come over follow us there if you subscribe.
I will do things like post postgame interview video, so
(35:31):
like talking to the player's post game in the mixed zone,
which I just think is a kind of a fun
behind the scenes thing that people get to see.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
But yeah, that's.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Hard to believe that is I'm basically a month away.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
You will definitely talk more about that when as that
gets closer, so make sure you hang around with that later.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I guess we didn't really dig in on the rosters.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
The one thing I would say I thought was interesting
Canada Chloe Primorano is not on the roster either. They
are I mean, these are all development players. These are
not players that we have seen playing with the senior
national team. So either that was the decision, but we
also went and looked Chloe is still eligible for the
U eighteens, and so it's possible, knowing that the eighteen
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tournament is two weeks later, that she is not doing
this development camp and would be named to the U
eighteen roster because the way that the rule is written,
she turns eighteen January second, and as long as you
turn eighteen in the calendar year of the tournament season,
which lasts obviously till April or whatever when Senior Women's
Worlds is that she is still eligible. So my guess
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it's it's one of those two things. It's either they
didn't put anybody from the senior national team, you know,
on their list, which the US did so again just
different approaches and interesting or it's that she's playing you eighteens.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, and that US roster, we've were seeing players that
you know, we've seen with the national team before, like
you mentioned or just recently in the Robbers. There's a
lot of people back from that because that was a
you know, I think there were what thirteen current college
players something like that, and the rivalry series roster. I'm
looking at all of them included on this this list.
(37:10):
I don't have enough the top of my hand, but
I'm seeing a lot of those names. Yeah, I mean
I think it's part of the group. I mean it's
you know, the the Abby Murphy is, like Case O'Brien's.
It's these players that you've seen, right, those chances in
the last couple of years.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
La Janeckey, Sims, Joy Dunne.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Right, Yeah, so those players are all here, which is
interesting and like arguably taking up roster spots, like maybe
there could be more people getting more developed, you know,
half dozen, one six or the other. Like who knows
your approach, But yeah, I did think it was interesting
just to note that this is sort of a mix
(37:47):
for Team USA and Hockey Canada's roster. Is is pretty
much sort of U eighteen graduate standouts currently in college
as opposed to players that had spent any time with
the senior team. Nicole Gossling maybe the.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Only one, right, Yeah, So there's, uh, there's some intrigue
in in in that how it's gonna turn on and
I guess what the what these federations try to get
out of it. We talked about that a little bit
in the Rivalry series a few weeks ago. Right different, right,
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which is.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Which is either good nor bad? Just interesting to note,
I think definitely.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Okay, that's uh, look at the the international landscape. When
we come back, let's talk about what's coming up in
NCAA hockey this weekend for Thanksgiving weekend. Stay with us
on the podcast again. Welcome back to the podcast. Todd
(38:50):
Laski here along with Nicole Hosey. Let's look at what's
coming up this week. There's some post Thanksgiving tournaments, one
the Nutmeg Classic, the for Connecticut team playing off that
one at Sacred Heart this year. There's the Nashville Showcase
happening in Nashville, Merrimack, Penn State, Clarkston, Sat Thomas and
(39:11):
that one. But there's also some what might be interesting
East West matchups going on non conference play over this weekend.
One of them is a matchup of a coach and
one of his former players. That's Mark Johnson and everyone
Wisconsin going out the main and that being Molly Ankstrom's team.
(39:36):
And she was a really dependable player for the Badger's
team there over four years and ended up being on
an Olympic team with Mark Johnson, I believe in twenty ten,
I was just gonna ask that.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
I was like, I think that's the same timing.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
And you know, so there's a lot of connections there.
Maine's trying to build, we know that Wisconsin is well built.
So maybe it might not be the most competitive series
on the ice, but there's that interesting connection of a
coach and a former player being on the benches next
(40:11):
to each other. I guess depending on where you are
across from each other.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, I'd imagine Mark would have lots to say about,
you know, being old and coaching against former players. But
I think just from a like you know, zooming out,
like from a concept of the growth of women's hockey,
it's really great that we've got these former players, this
next generation sort of moving behind the bench and helping
to continue to grow the game. So it's just it's
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really good to see these former players. I feel like
we've sort of had that first group of the players
that played in the late nineties early two thousands when
the NCAA started sanctioning and the first Olympics, and so
now this is sort of that like second wave of
players that we're seeing more and more get behind some
of the benches. So I just think that's really exciting,
and I hope we continue to see. You know, we've
(40:57):
seen some even more current players be hired as consultants
and things in the ped up, so good to keep
building and exciting.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
I think Vermont playing at Minnesota Duluth and Saint Cloud
State going to Union or some of the other East
West series this weekend, but it's also Minnesota State playing
at Dartmouth, and Dartmouth coach coach mor Kroll obviously knows
a little bit about playing Minnesota State from her time
in the w c CHA at Duluth.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah, you know, normally I think that would be a
sort of a matchup where a team like Dartmouth just
isn't super familiar with like that style of play, and
you know it would have to watch a lot of tape.
So I just think it gets a little more interesting
because she's so familiar with the sort of grind it
down defense style of it that Minnesota State can play.
So just yeah, I made that series a little more
(41:46):
interesting and I think could be fun to watch. I Dartmouth,
I feel like, is like on the trajectory. You know,
we've talked about Brown a bunch and how much they've grown.
I feel like Dartmouth is in that sort of same trajectory,
maybe a few steps behind it. So I think they're
a team to watch for what they can do, you know,
in the next couple of years, particularly once More has
been there a few more years. But I just I
like some of their really young players. I like Mikaela Hesseva,
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their goalie from Chechia, And yeah, I just I think
that could be fun to see how those two it's
I don't know. East West games are always just nice
to see. It helps us get a better concept of
how teams would possibly match up as we head towards
the postseason. Right, So even if these games individually aren't like, oh,
I you know, Union Ver Saint Cloud's going to tell
(42:29):
me something we now Union has played against other teams
in the conference, and so we can.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Sort of extrapolate some of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
So yeah, and also just makes the sort of NPI
in those calculations more robust, right.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Right, got a crosstown rivalry gain the Mayor's Cup between
Brown and Providence, that one being at Providence this year,
that happening Saturday afternoon, and that's uh, you know, Brown's
had a little bit of a stumble last few weeks
and looking to get back going, and no better time
to do it than rivalry series in Providence. Looking to
kind of keep things you know, going in the right
(43:05):
direction there too.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, they've had some of the quite a few I
think overtime games, right, and so they've just there there
feels like they're a team a little bit on the
verge and trying to find find their sort of their footing.
So they're just over five hundred, but you know, play
they're Yeah, there are last four games they wanted to shootout,
lost in a shootout, want in a shootout, and one
in overtime. So maybe they'll just be looking for like
(43:28):
a nice easy game. But I think you know, it's
uh again, another team that I think can we can
see what's coming for them, right, Like it's not going
to be this year, next year, but I think there's
there's improvement and growth there and so yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
And then in Hockey East, a game that's on Nissan
Saturday night, Boston College at Northeastern. That should be a
a good look at some teams that you know are
kind of hanging in the periphery there or kind of
in that that next little group in in Hockey East
and looking to make a run for sure.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
And we should note that they they did announce that
the women's beam Pot will be played at TD Garden again,
which was really successful lst year. So this is a
little bit of a preview of some of that, right
and putting those to those two teams on nesson and
pretty exciting. I like, who knows what's going to happen.
I think that's one of those fun rivalry games that
like we have we kind of have no idea how
it's going to play out, but I expect it to
(44:28):
be really hard fought, and uh, that's what's you know.
That feels like a great way to spend my Saturday
of the holiday weekend as far as I'm concerned, and.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
We should mention before we go that the p DOUP
starts this weekend and second season for the p w HL.
A couple of games going on. I think you've got the.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, Saturday at to eastern, we've got Boston at Toronto,
and then at five Eastern Ottawa at Montreal. And then
on Sunday at five Central it's New York at Minneso
and Minnesota will be doing a banner raising and they've
got they're gonna be doing some live media, live podcasts beforehand.
Lots of stuff around happening for that, and then yeah,
(45:09):
then we're off.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Right. There's a game Tuesday, two games Wednesdays.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
So at the moment, all in the US, all those
games will be on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
There's different.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Broadcast things happening in Canada, so depending on what you
subscribe to and where you are, you should look that
all up, because I admit I don't know that off
the top of my head, but yeah, I mean, the
thing that I loved most about the pub last year,
you know, like from when they first announced that there
were so few weekend games there were weeknight games, I
was like, oh, I don't know, but man, was it
nice to be able to put on a game pretty
(45:39):
much every night of the week. And yeah, so coming up,
we've got you know, two games Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday to
Wednesday Friday and we're off and so yeah, it's it's exciting.
It feels like it took forever to get for this
season to start. You know, they've kind of been releasing
little bits of information every couple of weeks to keep
it at the forefront, and so then I'm like.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Well, okay, but when are we actually playing?
Speaker 3 (46:01):
So pretty exciting waivers worn outs tonight, so uh, there's
like a twenty four hour free agent signing I believe,
and then official rosters are due Wednesday. So yeah, that's
that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, it's uh, it feels like you know, when when
the NCAA schedule starts at the end of September and
you do have to wait too.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
You're waiting for for the p W Everybody.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
I understand, you know, I understand that there's there's six
teams of schedules. The more compressed that it doesn't you
don't needed to play out over that long of a season,
So get away from the busier times of the year
and and play the meat of your schedule in in
the winter and when when it's going to be hockey season,
then you have more eyes on hockey. So I do
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enjoy that concept.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, absolutely, and like as opposed to trying to sort
of squeeze it in with the college stuff and then
in before Worlds, they're just going to take that break.
And so yeah, very excited for them. Excited. You know,
it was really successful first year. I think it's hard
to remember that it's only been a year, right, Like
they had one season and so still still growing, still
a little fledging, and so I think it's amazing, Like,
(47:11):
don't take it for granted that it's here, and make
sure that you keep following and watching the games and supporting.
And yeah, I'm just I'm really excited that at this
point it feels just completely natural, like it's just a
given that we have this professional league, and so yeah,
it's it's really good for the game. It's really good progress.
So keep supporting, keep following, particularly since it's in particularly
(47:36):
in the US, so easy to watch all the free
streams right there on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Absolutely well, given that it's Thanksgiving week, I want to
say Happy Thanksgiving to all of our American listeners. We
should have said it to our Canadian listeners back in October.
That's my bad. I'll own that one. But Happy American
Thanksgiving to everyone, and we appreciate your listening and to
you and your family as well, Nicole.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah, you as well to our listeners, you know, and
we hope you have a relaxing a couple of days.
The definitely a lot of feelings that can come up
with Thanksgiving, so we hope that you find time to
spend uh with the people that you like and love
whoever they are.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Kin love, yes, exactly. That's a good way of putting it.
Awesome for Nicole, I'm Todd. Thanks for listening to the podcast.
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We are at Thanksgiving weekend, which gets us into some
tournament play, but I want to take a quick look
(00:24):
back at what we saw last weekend, which to my
eyes was a lot of games where teams that were
out shot ended up pulling out wins. You know, tip
of the hap to the goalies and a lot of
those situations. But that's you don't see that a ton
where a team gets out shot by ten to fifteen
shots and still is able to come out with a
win like I saw Princeton do against Colegate, we saw
(00:48):
like Colgate, then turn it around against Quinnipiac, Minnesota State,
getting a win against Ohio State. These are all all
games that the team has relied on good goaltending, got
to the finish line with scoring enough goals.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Absolutely, But also yeah, there were there were some good
upsets this weekend, right, and I think to the not
just that they were upsets, but they were again they
were complete games from those teams that did it. You know,
the biggest thing of that Minnesota State upstate set for
me over number two Ohio State was that they nearly
pulled it off the day before, and I really expected
(01:26):
Ohio State to come back and sort of like really proove,
you know, because no offense to Minnesota State, Ohio State's
a pretty darn good team, right like when they are
hitting on all cylinders like that's that they're literally the
number two team in the country. So I really expected
them to sort of buckle down and you know, sink
Cloud State also upset Minnesota and in that first game
(01:49):
they lost five too. I kind of expected sort of
the opposite, right Like, I thought that that since they
they Ohio State won in overtime, you know, nearly lost
the game Ohio State had the Minnesota State had the
game on their stick. I really just expected kind of
a smack town and so I thought the most impressive
part of that Minnesota State upset is just that, you know,
(02:09):
they they came back after proving that they could push
Ohio State to the very brink and then completed it
the second day. That's that's hard to do it against
a team like Ohio State, who's gonna you know, sort
of regather and regroup and and have that fire to
you know, sort of really prove their dominance. So that
to me coming back and winning that second one was
so much. It showed so much about the Mavericks. But yeah,
(02:32):
it was. There were some interesting games, and I think,
you know, those teams that were out shooting, you know
that loss, that there's just been a bit more of that,
like sort of wildly fling the puck and see what happens.
And I think there's a fine line there of like
get pucks to the net, but don't just wildly fling
the puck around and hope for the best. So I
don't like there's there's a middle ground there that that
(02:53):
takes some finesse, and I felt like maybe some of
those teams didn't find that place right.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, let's zoom in a little bit more on that
Ohio State Minnesota State series. A game that went to
overtime on Friday, Like you're saying, tied at one to one,
Minnesota State has you know, a shot at a virtually
empty net in the three on three hits the post.
Ohio State goes the other way and eventually scores a
winner through Joey donn for a two to one win.
But like you said, Minnesota State, you know, either just
(03:22):
shook that off or was even more motivated because of it.
And on the House State side, there wasn't the push
that maybe you thought there was going to be, because
it ended up being four to one for the Mavericks
on Saturday afternoon with an empty net goal. But it
seemed like a pretty you know, a performance where they
got thirty saves from Haley Hansen and goal and we're
(03:45):
all shot thirty one to twelve. Obviously, making the most
limited opportunities is a big thing when you're playing Ohio State,
when you're playing in Wisconsin, when you're playing some of
these top teams, and it seemed like that's what Mancata
was able to do. Is maybe they did didn't get
the the most shots of the best quality shots, but
they when they when they got them, they ended up
(04:06):
going in.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I just thirty shots is actually quite
low for Ohio State too, write like we're talking about
a discrepancy, but I feel like it's not like they
asked their goalie to to make fifty five saves. They
held a state pretty well in check as well, so
it wasn't. It wasn't just a matter of like praying
on one end and getting lucky on the other. So
I thought that that whole series is really interesting, like
(04:28):
when I you know, I watched it, but watching on
a stream, you don't get stats and things like that.
So when I was writing the recap and I was,
I assumed there was gonna be a ton of blocks,
and there were there were a dozen blocks, like there
weren't no blocks, but it wasn't the like massive number
I thought that it was going to be in the
shot numbers being low too. I mean, Ohio State does
have injuries. I mean they are down I think to
(04:49):
nine and forwards six, like they're they're as like lower rosters.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
They want to have, uh to put out regularly for
a game. So there's definitely been adjustments for them.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
But yeah, just a sort of a fascinating little series
and just.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
A ton of fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And just wanted to shout out Taylor and Trumba because
she's the player that missed that hit the post in
the overtime game and then she had two goals in
an assist on Saturday, so just you know, really love
that for her because man, that must have been just
heartbreaking to have the game on your stick like that,
know that it was a massive opportunity for your team,
(05:25):
and then not only that, but have it pretty much
go directly the other direction and lose the have the
game be lost. So it was just really excited for
her to be able to have that comeback game as well,
just to you know, they they We've talked about it
kind of with some of these you know, teams towards
the bottom of some of the conference seannings that they're
just they're putting together really good games. It's not one offs,
(05:50):
it's not lucky goals, they're you know, they're getting odd
player rushes, they're passing really well, and like you said,
just really taking taking their opportunities and like making the
most of them.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, the Ohio State or on Minnesota state side, four
points out of six and a series is you know,
most most times is pretty good. When it's Ohio State,
it's really good. House State now has has dropped seventeen
points this season through fourteen games, so halfway through the
wh A schedule, and all of last season when they
(06:24):
were just ran through everyone WHA they lost eight points total.
So it's it's been more of a challenge for them,
and like you said, the numbers haven't been there some
of the season, they've you know, been relying it really
on three lines. It's it's still trying to find the
(06:44):
right workings. I think with the you know who plays
with who and and introducing new people into the lineup.
We know they're going to be there in the end,
but right now it feels like there's a there's kind
of a one step forward, maybe half a step back
kind of thing with the buck Eyes.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, and I also think like they they've been they've
had the privilege the last few years of things just
kind of working really well, you know, like their lines
were clicking, they weren't dealing with a ton of injuries
like things I wouldn't I won't say came easy because
we know that they worked for them. But this season
they're having to work even harder to make the stuff
(07:24):
that kind of I think came naturally the last couple
of seasons, and that's just it's just learning pain learning
and growing pains. And as you said, they'll be there
at the end, they'll figure it out, but right now
they're in that part where stuff that probably came without
much thought in the past that just sort of worked.
I think they really have to like drill in on
and take the time and examine and make it happen
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in a way that maybe they haven't had two in
recent seasons.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So we'll get back to the State of Minnesota in
a little while here, but let's go out the ECAC
where Quinnipiac had another opportunity to really take some steps forward.
Leading three to one going into the third against Cornell
on Friday, tied one to one in the third against
Colgate on Saturday, and they come away with well, I
(08:09):
was about to say one point one and a half
points because of the uh it goes. It ends up
as a tie three through with Cornell on Friday and
then a four to one loss to Colgate on Saturday.
That's a rough couple of home that's a rough home weekend.
You know you're gonna be challenged by those teams. But
when you have those opportunities, like I was just saying
with Minnesota State, you have those opportunities in that situation,
(08:33):
it's you know, puck on your stick. This situation is
tie game in the third period. You really need to
make the most out of that, and they just weren't
able to do this weekend.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Sure, And it's a bit of a swap too, right,
because a couple of weeks ago, they.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
You know, beat Clarkson pretty easily, they beat Saint Lawrence.
They're coming you know, they're coming out of a stretch
where like they won games that that were tough were
going to be tough for them, and so I felt
like they probably had pretty good confidence going into this weekend.
And yeah, the results were kind of the complete opposite.
So I mean, I think that's the part of battling
(09:07):
at the top of the ECAC. It's you know, for
years wha fans talked about the top teams beating each
other up, and we're seeing that in the ECAC for
sure this year, and not just you know, one or
two teams, but a good five or six of them
at the top of the ECAC. But yeah, for Winnipec,
it was just about you know, really completing that game, right,
(09:27):
like playing that full sixty minutes and so maybe the
break is coming at a good time for them, and
just need to find that little extra bit because you know,
they played really well, they had themselves ahead and then
letting that sup away. I think is it's not the
loss so much as the way the losses came about, right,
or the loss and the tie.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
In that Saturday game, Colegates win at Quinnipiac Culty Culton
Covia scored two goals to go into the national goal
scoring lead with fifteen. So that's a kind of a
you know, we're seeing those numbersuple a little bit here
before we get to the very fifteen goals, fourteen goals
being in the national lead, and so we're gonna we're
gonna see that that number whoever ends up winning that
(10:10):
it's gonna be in the thirties again, and it's gonna
be a could be a big number if if some
of these patterns hold.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
She also it was her one hundredth career goal, and
according to Colgate, she's the only active NCAA player with
one hundred career goals. I didn't have a chance to
dig super deep, but kind of went on some of
the you know, looked at like Casey O'Brien's totals, somebody
anybody at Colgate to see if anybody else was close,
and yeah, I didn't find any, So I assume that
(10:37):
they had that correct but yeah, that's a that's a
pretty a massive you know, we're gonna I will get
into some of this, but all of the fifth year players,
you know, that are are setting new records and breaking
old ones, are gonna have some asterisks on the side
of those records. And you know, I think that's it
just something that's going to happen. And I don't know,
(10:58):
I'm a little torn on it. I do both think
that we want to mark that it was maybe more
games than the other players had. But I also I
was saying to you, I have a kind of incomplete
thought about how see, there's some records that will never
be beat, like NCAA records, because it used to be
that one player dominated. You know, we weren't seeing several,
you know, ten twenty thirty goal scorers on one team.
(11:22):
There was one player getting all of those points. And
so some of the national scoring records are just never
going to be touched because no team is going to
score enough goals that one person gets that total, right,
And so I feel like maybe the fifth years evening
something that out. I'm not sure what exactly my full
thought is on that, but it is an interesting way
(11:43):
of making some of those previously unreachable things that happened
when it was just a very different game, you know, ten, fifteen,
twenty years ago. Some of those records will fall now,
and so you know, good, bad or otherwise. It's happening.
So I think everybody needs to accept it. But yeah,
I think it's pretty cool that to be the only
hundred goal scorer currently in the NCAA, that's that's a
(12:03):
pretty impressive thing for her to reach.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
This week, Colgate came back to win that game on
Saturday after losing the Princeton in overtime on Friday. They
see wonder overtime goal there to get Tigers a key
a few points in their chase, and that's you know,
(12:28):
like we were talking about, this is the way that
ec A C is going right now, is that there
is you know, so much up and down. You're bouncing
back and forth between the high and the low, and
it really feels like, you know what my coaches always say,
you try to be the one that we can consistent.
I haven't seen a lot of that yet, but you
would imagine it's the team that can process things consistently
(12:49):
that's going to probably have the best chance of coming
out of this rather than a team that you know,
might lose one then feel so bad that it turns
into three losses in a row.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, it's a really good point. I think it's just
the this is the new normal for them and who
can handle that, right, Like Colgate's won, however many conference
titles in a row. And so if you're used to,
you know, being how things were, you need, like you said,
you need to be able to adapt and understand that
you're not gonna win every game. And I don't know,
I mean we were just talking about, ohiose s date
(13:21):
like struggling, and there's still the number two team in
the country, right, so like there's room for that. And
so as you said, you just have to process it
and be able to take what you can from those
and move ahead. And you know, coaches talk a lot
about like not too high, not too low, like you
need to go game to game and like know that
there there are no weekends off, and I think coaches
have always said that, but there's players know that there's
(13:44):
a rhythm to the season where you're not playing one
hundred and ten percent every weekend because it's kind of
just not possible with the really long season, right But
the nature of the conferences right now is that you
really you can't take your you know, take anything off,
and you can't you don't get to relax.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
In the same way.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So you're gonna have to go out every weekend and
find a way to you know, store up some energy
and use the weeks off and the breaks to recharge.
And yeah, I think it's just that's the new normal
in women's college hockey right now, and the teams and
the players that figure that out and how to handle
those ups and downs and mentally and physically because again
it's only November. This season's got several more months. Yeah,
(14:26):
I think that's that's going to be the difference.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Maker right right Over in Hockey East had a really
good series Boston College and Yukon that end up in
a split with two to one goal games. Number eleven
BC beat number fourteen Yukon three to two on Friday,
Louren Glazier with two goals, including the tiebreaker in the
third period. That was a game that again Yukon had
a thirty five twenty two shots advantage, but BC was
(14:49):
able to overcome that. Then Saturday, Ashley Allard puts Yukon
had to one in the third and that era sorry
in the second period, and that ends up being the
final score. The points are split there. Uh, it's it's
one of those situations now where you know, everyone's still
chasing beu in in hockey so and it's been It's
(15:10):
not like they're that far separated out from everyone else,
but it does you know, weekends that are split give
be you a chance to you know, keep that top
spot for a while, and for a team that wasn't
necessarily expected to be there. Uh, maybe playing with house
money a little bit, feels like they if they can
go into the break in the in the top spot
in Hockey East, that's a pretty nice looking position for them.
(15:34):
But what did you think about BC and Yukon. I guess,
going with that one.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
First, mostly just how easiely matched they were, right, And
I also thought like so BC had the series last
weekend with BU and that was a little more like
run and gun, right.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
There was a lot of up and down the ice.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I thought the particularly the Saturday game where Connecticut took
the lead in the second and just held it, you know,
for twenty plus minutes, was just really interesting. It's not
what we've seen from these teams and b C, it's
hard to keep BC to one goal at this point.
So I thought that was a really great effort from
from Connecticut. And again it wasn't just you know, one
(16:13):
goalie performance or things like that. So I think that
will be taped that a lot of other Hockey East
teams will be watching just to see to kind of
how to slow b C down a little bit. But
also I think, just interestingly, like those last two series
with BC have been home and homes, and the home
team is won i think every game, and then that
happened with Saint Cloud in Minnesota too in that split
this weekend. So uh, I don't put a ton in
(16:37):
home versus a way like the good teams need to
win everywhere. And you know, it's just not like a
thing that I followed too much in terms of like
does it mean, what does it mean?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Who's playing where?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
But it is something I've noticed the last couple of weeks,
particularly with these home We've had a bunch of home
and home series. Interestingly, the home team is pulled out,
So something I'll be keeping an eye on and see
if those splits continue to make a difference. In influence.
You know, how I expect a team to do and
then then how they actually do.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Let's go back to Minnesota and Saint Cloud State. That
was Minnesota winning at home on Friday five to two,
Abby Murphy with a hat trick there, but Saint Cloud
getting the split in the series in Saint Cloud on
Saturday with a three to one win. Sorry for to
one three one might have written this down Row, I'm
gonna have to look this up. Well, while we're talking
(17:29):
about either way, it was. It was a game where
Minnesota was you know, I had the again had the
shots on goal advantage. It was three one. I was
right the first time. And Sonni a Hola makes thirty
eight saves as when the Gophers had a thirty nine
to twenty eight shots on goal advantage. Again, a goalie
(17:49):
can get you very far in hockey. And uh, that
was an opportunity for Saint Cloud to show it like
they have a lot of times, maybe not always aginst
the top teams, wha, but occasionally that too.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well, interestingly, in that one, I mean the Gophers had
twenty three shots in the first period, which is just
a massive shot total, and then just eight in each
of the successive two periods, so a really interesting like
EBB and flow to that game, right and good for
Saint Cloud's for sort of weathering that first period. I
think that probably the momentum and being able to to
(18:26):
sort of keep that in check and allowed Saint Cloud
to build from there right like they were. They got
out of the first with no score and then you know,
I mean they scored three in a row like Minnesota's
goal came came in the third. So yeah, again, both
this and the Minnesota Sato House t came it. They
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Saint Cloud held the game from start to finish, right
like they they weathered sort of the push from Minnesota,
and then they were the ones scoring the goals and
they got I mean, they got some lucky bounces as well.
They're the two of their shots deflected into the net.
But you know, you also have to be in the
right position and putting the pucks to the front of
the debt for that to happen. So sometimes you just
get the puck luck. It's not as though they weren't
(19:08):
you know, they weren't putting, they weren't making the shots
that they need to be made. But yeah, for me,
both of those upsets were interesting in that I think
the team that won was controlling more of the game
that you than you would expect based on who they
were playing.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, any other thoughts from this last weekend before we
take a quick break, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Just wanted to You were sort of talking about like
the splits and one team, you know, being able to
control things more. Sacred Heart two big wins over Franklin,
Pierce and lu did not get all of their points
this weekend, right, they tied Post and so, yeah, they
left some points on the table and that allowed Sacred
Hard to open up a little bit more of a
lead in nu Hat. So I just thought that was interesting.
(19:50):
It was something I noted when I was doing some
recaps and things just kind of as you mentioned, like
it opened late, like it gave you a little bit
more breathing room when the teams below of them are
kind of fighting against each other. And I thought that
was a good sort of statement weekend of taking those
two big wins from Fink and Pears for Sacred Heart,
so gave themselves that's still a pretty close race in
(20:12):
New Hub, but to give themselves a little bit of
a gap.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Well, when we come back we will discuss some of
the rosters that have been released by Canada, US and
other countries for the six Nations tournament. So stay with
us on the podcast. Welcome back to the podcast. Top
Loski here with Nicole Hosey and let's talk a little
(20:37):
bit of international hockey. We've got a a new event
to look into this holiday break. I guess the sixth
Nations Tournament that is happening in Finland and it starts
December eleventh, goes through the fifteenth. The US, Canada, Checchia, Finland,
Switzerland and Sweden all part of that event. And we've
(21:01):
seen some rosters come out of the US and Canada
and you know, dominated of of course, it's a kind
of a developmental tournament, so the college players abound on
those those two rosters, but also on I believe you
said it was a check yet that had theirs out
as well, and seeing some players who are either in
(21:23):
college or headed towards college being part of that group
as well. What's uh, what are you looking forward to
out of this tournament? First of all, and then we'll
get into the rosters a little bit later, but this
this seems like a really just cool event. To have
in in December for college players.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean just going back. The euro Hockey Tour
apparently is a big deal on the men's side. I
say apparently, like a European Hockey b men's hockey not
at all my wheelhouse. But when I interviewed CHECKI Women's
GM Treesa Sadalova at Worlds last year, she was looking
forward to the fact that they were doing euro Hockey
Tour with the women this year. So this is something
(22:00):
that's been happening outside of this particular. So like when
the international break happened in the US and Canada, we're
doing rivalry series. Several of these teams were playing euro
Hockey Tour games, So this isn't the first.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
This is sort of happening.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's wedged into part of the euro Hockey Tour that
some of the European teams are playing, and they invited
us in Canada to this one, and the teams all
agree that this should be sort of a developmental area.
So I think that's really cool. I think, you know,
you and I both talked to IHF and asked about,
you know, are we gonna get World Juniors for girls?
(22:35):
And I mean that was a couple of summers ago,
but we got a non answer. And you know, I've
asked Luke Tardifigan, you know, in subsequent years, and he
keeps sort of saying wait and be patient. And I
think that's clear that the federation said, well, we don't
want to be patient and we'll do it ourselves. And
I think that's what's happening here, is that there is
just that gap between you eighteen and the senior national team.
(22:58):
We've got stuff with the PDA. There's just so many
more opportunities for players and to like sort of lose
that development and not be able to act like we
can have touch a player at seventeen and either she
needs to go straight to the senior national team or
she just sort of gets lost.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
In the middle.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
You know that that's such a waste of talent and
it's not something that they would ever do on the
men's side. And so I think kudos to the federations
who obviously just made this decision that like, we need
to do this ourselves. And so, as you said, the
two US and Canada rosters are full of college players,
like that's all that's on it. And then the Canada
(23:36):
or the Chechia roster is interesting because it does have
some of the younger players, but the younger players are
the players we should say, they are players that are
committed to have not yet played the NCAA, not necessarily seventeen,
like there is some interesting several of them are you know,
playing in Sweden and other places, and when they enroll
as nca freshmen will not be necessarily eighteen year old freshmen.
(23:59):
But yeah, yeah, it's a you know that, I think
several recognizable names on the Czechi roster, not and not
just from international play players that have already played in
the NCAA. I'm not sure what age range was decided
upon things like that, but yeah, it's just really exciting
to see.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I hope that it's successful.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I hope that it does what the federations wanted it
to do, because it's just this massive opportunity in a
massive gap worldwide that we are not feeling, and that
is a problem in the US and Canada as well.
So I am also thankful that it's not just that
those two North American nations doing something, but that we're
(24:40):
we're seeing this as a push across you know, six
six countries.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So the Rivalry series is great along those lines for
what it does in November taking up that four Nations
window that had been there. But it was better when
it was the four Nations, when you had more countries
and bringing bringing other countries up along with you. I
felt like it was a big part of that. And
you know, now it's a rivalry series. It's basically, well,
we're we're making each other better here, But that doesn't
(25:06):
necessarily help the next tier of teams that we want.
We all want to see develop more as countries as
as women's hockey playing countries. We've lost a little bit
of that. So to your point, this is a really
great opportunity to to build some of that back at
at a younger age and in some respect. But going
(25:28):
back to your point about that conversation we had at
the u U eight teens a couple of summers go
here in Madison with Luke Tardiff. I remember that being
and I remember you asking about this and he was
saying about patients, and I had in my head at
that point like, okay, it's good, you know, you'll be patient,
and that's fine, you know, for the you know, for
(25:50):
his perspective, but that also means you're probably saying, let's
let other people take care of this and then we'll
just kind of jump in when it needs sanctioning or
something like that, because that's really the way these things happen.
It's it becomes a there's too much pressure to do it, uh,
and one of the country takes a lead. Others jump
(26:13):
along and it becomes a thing, and then all of
a sudden there's an I double IHF stamp on it
and it has a logo and things like that, and
it becomes an event. And maybe this is something that
follows along those lines.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I don't want to give him too much credit because
I have a lot of thoughts, but I will say that,
particularly in a post COVID universe that IHEF had a
small staff. They there was lost money there, you know,
all of that sort of stuff. I do think they
leave a lot on the table, particularly on the women's side,
but that's you know, I'm trying to be a equin
amused here, but they he basically yeah, basically was like, well,
(26:51):
we don't want to grow too fast and then fail
and like at some point, sir, like just just do
the thing. Like there's this huge women's sports move maybe
you know, be a part of that. But yeah, I
will say I do get just from a like, while
they are the governing body, they are actually quite a small,
you know operation, and the yeah, they do kind of
(27:14):
need the countries to take, uh, you know, the lead
on things. But also like you're you are the leader,
you're the governing body.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's it's a tough situation.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I mean, I didn't love Obviously, it was great that
when we got you eighteens in Madison and that that
opened up a whole thing and journey for me to
be really becovering you eighteens. So I'm always me thankful
for that, But I really hated that they basically were like, well,
if you want to have the tournament, you figure it out. Like, no,
you're the governing body. You're the one that's still holding
the men's and boys tournaments. Like you're the one that's
(27:43):
making decisions that are not like equitable to the players
that have to fall under your umbrella and don't have
a choice about it. And so yeah, I mean I
remember seething a little when he like Luke's laughing and
it's just you and I and him and you know,
in a hallway and he's like, well, we just need
to be Haitian and I was like, ugh, I have
(28:04):
so many not nice words to say right now. And
you know, again, that was two and a half two
years ago, two and a half years ago, that was
the summer of twenty twenty two, and we haven't seen
growth or change from the IHF in any of that
sort of stuff. So the fact that the federations had
to do with themselves, I mean, not all that surprising.
But yeah, I before we go on too much of
(28:25):
our ant on that, I guess I just yeah, I
both understand that it is a fairly small entity and
also think that they managed to do plenty of stuff
for the men and boys, and so I have little
patience with him and these sort of like oh we
can't grow too fast, we can't do too much sort
of platitudes.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
There's a comparison in my mind to be made between
the double IHF and the NCAA, and that that both
run really really big events on the men's side that
make a lot of money. We know that, and that's
where a lot of money comes from that pays for
a lot of other sports. We know that, we understand
that but there's also a when things kind of turn
(29:07):
negative towards them, it's like, well, we're just a membership organization.
It's really the the in the NCAA's case, it's the
the schools that make these decisions, or in the wahf's case,
it's well, it's the countries that are making the decisions.
So that that's kind of the way I look at
them as being a little bit of the same type
(29:28):
of entity there. But there's some some good things, some
bad things about that kind of comparison, I.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Guess, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
And I would just say too that, like I just
get really hung up on the like, well, this makes
money and that doesn't, and like you have to there
has to be buy in. I mean, I think, you know,
I've probably ranted about this before, and we talked about
like we are, what three four years away from the
Women's CU eighteens being broadcast on a fish eye lens
(29:56):
camera like a ring Norbelle camera that in the ra
in Slovakia, and.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So like, gee, I'm chocked that this is not an
event that like.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I mean, it's not broadcast, it's only you know, only
broadcasts because Canada sends TSN and then ESPN buys t
you know TSN's feed, and then sometimes it's on ESPN.
I just there has to be in all women's sports.
There's just this complete lack of understanding that, like the
product you put out isn't very good. There aren't always
(30:26):
very good commentators. I'm not saying just on you eighteens.
This is I'm not picking on anyone from ts but
like when you don't have great production, when you like
don't have knowledgeable people doing the stuff. When you don't
you know, there's not packages of information, you know, when
you're reading the same bits of information over and over
because you just got like one research sheet. All of
(30:47):
that happens in women's sports. I mean it's changing, it
has changed a bit, but I mean all of that
stuff leads into whether or not people are going to
watch something. If it's not a good production, that it's
not going to happen, and so, you know, I just
people really sort of underestimate or don't think about, like
the poor process of putting out women's hockey. Like I've
(31:07):
been talking about, like the watching streams that look like
they're taking place in the dark, and then they're like, well,
people aren't watching and it's like, well, yeah, I mean,
I'm an idiot that's got three streams on because you know,
like this is my job. But like I wouldn't want
to watch that either, you know. So when we talked
about the price of having the you know, different subscriptions
(31:29):
to watch all the NCAA games. Anyway, the moral of
the story is it's like, well, it doesn't make money,
like you have to you have to invest, You have
to make it a product that people want to watch.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
The hockey itself is great. You don't have to do
anything there.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
You don't have to convince people if you gave it
a production value that was worth people putting on their television,
and explain who the players were, you know, understood, like
any of the histories, you can say so and so
is being is committed here and they're going to go
play with somebody that they already played with.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Like, not being able to.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Provide any of that doesn't make it an interesting broadcast.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
That's why people aren't watching.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Right, And we should give credit to TSN for what
they've done for the yest thing, for elevating the broadcast
of so much international women's hockey over the last few
years to a point where you do expect high quality
out of those productions, and then so when you don't
get that, it really is a stark kind of slap
(32:25):
in the face of like, oh I remember this now.
So I think that's that's an important part of this too,
is that someone has stopped up and gotten sponsors and
done the legwork on that.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
It's production value and it's not them that and.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
More attempts to find sponsors here on this side of
the border too.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I would also say though that like TSN didn't send
any they sent cameras and production crew to Switzerland last year,
but they did all of their commentating and everything from
in house. So that did mean that like at U
eighteen's the twenty four in Switzerland, I was pretty much
the only English speaking reporter there. So it was me
and the person that works for the IHF that produces
(33:09):
the content for their tournament website, and we were the
two people in the mix zone. Now, there were occasionally
people from the various countries participating, but like it's not great,
you know, like you're you're not gonna be able to
storytell when it's the production guys just shoving a camera
at you know, a seventeen year old and hoping that
she said something fun. You know, so I will put
(33:31):
that small asterisk on it, and I do get it,
and blessed tis n for what they do because nobody
would get to see any of this. But I also,
you know, like they're the game that they lost to
check you in the semifinals that wasn't broadcast live, so
there's still plenty of work to be done. It's it's
obviously a major soap box for us, and I will
(33:53):
say too, as far as I understand this, Six Nations
will not be broadcast anywhere. I did ask somebody at
USA Hockey and they understood that there will be a
Finland feed stream, so you would need a VPN to
be able to watch it. So, as far as I understand,
that was what we knew as of last week. Could
that change, absolutely, somebody could pick something up. But when
(34:15):
I did ask if this was going to be available
to watch, I was told a finish stream and you
would need a VPN.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
To watch it, so as much as I because.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, my dms are open. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
So on the one hand, this tournament's great and in
a nutshell, you know, the the development is awesome and
that's the most important part here. But it is, you know,
frustrating all people. As soon as it's announced, people are
asking how to watch it, and that means that you're
missing out that it's not being broadcast.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
So that's in Finland, the UA teens also in Finland.
Then in January, so it's a busy, busy Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I leave New Year's Eve day, so I'll be in
it is uh in the suburbs of Helsinki, so yeah,
so I will be there the whole time, covering the
whole tournament.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Very interesting, exciting set up. This year. There are several
off days.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Like last year there was only one day in the
entirety of the tournament with no games, and that's not
happening here, so we'll have some longer days that'll be interesting.
But yeah, I will cover that whole thing over at
the Victory Press, the other website that I write for,
and so definitely come over follow us there if you subscribe.
I will do things like post postgame interview video, so
(35:31):
like talking to the player's post game in the mixed zone,
which I just think is a kind of a fun
behind the scenes thing that people get to see.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
But yeah, that's.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Hard to believe that is I'm basically a month away.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
You will definitely talk more about that when as that
gets closer, so make sure you hang around with that later.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I guess we didn't really dig in on the rosters.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
The one thing I would say I thought was interesting
Canada Chloe Primorano is not on the roster either. They
are I mean, these are all development players. These are
not players that we have seen playing with the senior
national team. So either that was the decision, but we
also went and looked Chloe is still eligible for the
U eighteens, and so it's possible, knowing that the eighteen
(36:13):
tournament is two weeks later, that she is not doing
this development camp and would be named to the U
eighteen roster because the way that the rule is written,
she turns eighteen January second, and as long as you
turn eighteen in the calendar year of the tournament season,
which lasts obviously till April or whatever when Senior Women's
Worlds is that she is still eligible. So my guess
(36:36):
it's it's one of those two things. It's either they
didn't put anybody from the senior national team, you know,
on their list, which the US did so again just
different approaches and interesting or it's that she's playing you eighteens.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, and that US roster, we've were seeing players that
you know, we've seen with the national team before, like
you mentioned or just recently in the Robbers. There's a
lot of people back from that because that was a
you know, I think there were what thirteen current college
players something like that, and the rivalry series roster. I'm
looking at all of them included on this this list.
(37:10):
I don't have enough the top of my hand, but
I'm seeing a lot of those names. Yeah, I mean
I think it's part of the group. I mean it's
you know, the the Abby Murphy is, like Case O'Brien's.
It's these players that you've seen, right, those chances in
the last couple of years.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
La Janeckey, Sims, Joy Dunne.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Right, Yeah, so those players are all here, which is
interesting and like arguably taking up roster spots, like maybe
there could be more people getting more developed, you know,
half dozen, one six or the other. Like who knows
your approach, But yeah, I did think it was interesting
just to note that this is sort of a mix
(37:47):
for Team USA and Hockey Canada's roster. Is is pretty
much sort of U eighteen graduate standouts currently in college
as opposed to players that had spent any time with
the senior team. Nicole Gossling maybe the.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Only one, right, Yeah, So there's, uh, there's some intrigue
in in in that how it's gonna turn on and
I guess what the what these federations try to get
out of it. We talked about that a little bit
in the Rivalry series a few weeks ago. Right different, right,
(38:22):
which is.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Which is either good nor bad? Just interesting to note,
I think definitely.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Okay, that's uh, look at the the international landscape. When
we come back, let's talk about what's coming up in
NCAA hockey this weekend for Thanksgiving weekend. Stay with us
on the podcast again. Welcome back to the podcast. Todd
(38:50):
Laski here along with Nicole Hosey. Let's look at what's
coming up this week. There's some post Thanksgiving tournaments, one
the Nutmeg Classic, the for Connecticut team playing off that
one at Sacred Heart this year. There's the Nashville Showcase
happening in Nashville, Merrimack, Penn State, Clarkston, Sat Thomas and
(39:11):
that one. But there's also some what might be interesting
East West matchups going on non conference play over this weekend.
One of them is a matchup of a coach and
one of his former players. That's Mark Johnson and everyone
Wisconsin going out the main and that being Molly Ankstrom's team.
(39:36):
And she was a really dependable player for the Badger's
team there over four years and ended up being on
an Olympic team with Mark Johnson, I believe in twenty ten,
I was just gonna ask that.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
I was like, I think that's the same timing.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
And you know, so there's a lot of connections there.
Maine's trying to build, we know that Wisconsin is well built.
So maybe it might not be the most competitive series
on the ice, but there's that interesting connection of a
coach and a former player being on the benches next
(40:11):
to each other. I guess depending on where you are
across from each other.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, I'd imagine Mark would have lots to say about,
you know, being old and coaching against former players. But
I think just from a like you know, zooming out,
like from a concept of the growth of women's hockey,
it's really great that we've got these former players, this
next generation sort of moving behind the bench and helping
to continue to grow the game. So it's just it's
(40:36):
really good to see these former players. I feel like
we've sort of had that first group of the players
that played in the late nineties early two thousands when
the NCAA started sanctioning and the first Olympics, and so
now this is sort of that like second wave of
players that we're seeing more and more get behind some
of the benches. So I just think that's really exciting,
and I hope we continue to see. You know, we've
(40:57):
seen some even more current players be hired as consultants
and things in the ped up, so good to keep
building and exciting.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
I think Vermont playing at Minnesota Duluth and Saint Cloud
State going to Union or some of the other East
West series this weekend, but it's also Minnesota State playing
at Dartmouth, and Dartmouth coach coach mor Kroll obviously knows
a little bit about playing Minnesota State from her time
in the w c CHA at Duluth.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah, you know, normally I think that would be a
sort of a matchup where a team like Dartmouth just
isn't super familiar with like that style of play, and
you know it would have to watch a lot of tape.
So I just think it gets a little more interesting
because she's so familiar with the sort of grind it
down defense style of it that Minnesota State can play.
So just yeah, I made that series a little more
(41:46):
interesting and I think could be fun to watch. I Dartmouth,
I feel like, is like on the trajectory. You know,
we've talked about Brown a bunch and how much they've grown.
I feel like Dartmouth is in that sort of same trajectory,
maybe a few steps behind it. So I think they're
a team to watch for what they can do, you know,
in the next couple of years, particularly once More has
been there a few more years. But I just I
like some of their really young players. I like Mikaela Hesseva,
(42:09):
their goalie from Chechia, And yeah, I just I think
that could be fun to see how those two it's
I don't know. East West games are always just nice
to see. It helps us get a better concept of
how teams would possibly match up as we head towards
the postseason. Right, So even if these games individually aren't like, oh,
I you know, Union Ver Saint Cloud's going to tell
(42:29):
me something we now Union has played against other teams
in the conference, and so we can.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Sort of extrapolate some of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
So yeah, and also just makes the sort of NPI
in those calculations more robust, right.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Right, got a crosstown rivalry gain the Mayor's Cup between
Brown and Providence, that one being at Providence this year,
that happening Saturday afternoon, and that's uh, you know, Brown's
had a little bit of a stumble last few weeks
and looking to get back going, and no better time
to do it than rivalry series in Providence. Looking to
kind of keep things you know, going in the right
(43:05):
direction there too.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, they've had some of the quite a few I
think overtime games, right, and so they've just there there
feels like they're a team a little bit on the
verge and trying to find find their sort of their footing.
So they're just over five hundred, but you know, play
they're Yeah, there are last four games they wanted to shootout,
lost in a shootout, want in a shootout, and one
in overtime. So maybe they'll just be looking for like
(43:28):
a nice easy game. But I think you know, it's
uh again, another team that I think can we can
see what's coming for them, right, Like it's not going
to be this year, next year, but I think there's
there's improvement and growth there and so yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
And then in Hockey East, a game that's on Nissan
Saturday night, Boston College at Northeastern. That should be a
a good look at some teams that you know are
kind of hanging in the periphery there or kind of
in that that next little group in in Hockey East
and looking to make a run for sure.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
And we should note that they they did announce that
the women's beam Pot will be played at TD Garden again,
which was really successful lst year. So this is a
little bit of a preview of some of that, right
and putting those to those two teams on nesson and
pretty exciting. I like, who knows what's going to happen.
I think that's one of those fun rivalry games that
like we have we kind of have no idea how
it's going to play out, but I expect it to
(44:28):
be really hard fought, and uh, that's what's you know.
That feels like a great way to spend my Saturday
of the holiday weekend as far as I'm concerned, and.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
We should mention before we go that the p DOUP
starts this weekend and second season for the p w HL.
A couple of games going on. I think you've got the.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, Saturday at to eastern, we've got Boston at Toronto,
and then at five Eastern Ottawa at Montreal. And then
on Sunday at five Central it's New York at Minneso
and Minnesota will be doing a banner raising and they've
got they're gonna be doing some live media, live podcasts beforehand.
Lots of stuff around happening for that, and then yeah,
(45:09):
then we're off.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Right. There's a game Tuesday, two games Wednesdays.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
So at the moment, all in the US, all those
games will be on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
There's different.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Broadcast things happening in Canada, so depending on what you
subscribe to and where you are, you should look that
all up, because I admit I don't know that off
the top of my head, but yeah, I mean, the
thing that I loved most about the pub last year,
you know, like from when they first announced that there
were so few weekend games there were weeknight games, I
was like, oh, I don't know, but man, was it
nice to be able to put on a game pretty
(45:39):
much every night of the week. And yeah, so coming up,
we've got you know, two games Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday to
Wednesday Friday and we're off and so yeah, it's it's exciting.
It feels like it took forever to get for this
season to start. You know, they've kind of been releasing
little bits of information every couple of weeks to keep
it at the forefront, and so then I'm like.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Well, okay, but when are we actually playing?
Speaker 3 (46:01):
So pretty exciting waivers worn outs tonight, so uh, there's
like a twenty four hour free agent signing I believe,
and then official rosters are due Wednesday. So yeah, that's
that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, it's uh, it feels like you know, when when
the NCAA schedule starts at the end of September and
you do have to wait too.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
You're waiting for for the p W Everybody.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
I understand, you know, I understand that there's there's six
teams of schedules. The more compressed that it doesn't you
don't needed to play out over that long of a season,
So get away from the busier times of the year
and and play the meat of your schedule in in
the winter and when when it's going to be hockey season,
then you have more eyes on hockey. So I do
(46:47):
enjoy that concept.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, absolutely, and like as opposed to trying to sort
of squeeze it in with the college stuff and then
in before Worlds, they're just going to take that break.
And so yeah, very excited for them. Excited. You know,
it was really successful first year. I think it's hard
to remember that it's only been a year, right, Like
they had one season and so still still growing, still
a little fledging, and so I think it's amazing, Like,
(47:11):
don't take it for granted that it's here, and make
sure that you keep following and watching the games and supporting.
And yeah, I'm just I'm really excited that at this
point it feels just completely natural, like it's just a
given that we have this professional league, and so yeah,
it's it's really good for the game. It's really good progress.
So keep supporting, keep following, particularly since it's in particularly
(47:36):
in the US, so easy to watch all the free
streams right there on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Absolutely well, given that it's Thanksgiving week, I want to
say Happy Thanksgiving to all of our American listeners. We
should have said it to our Canadian listeners back in October.
That's my bad. I'll own that one. But Happy American
Thanksgiving to everyone, and we appreciate your listening and to
you and your family as well, Nicole.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah, you as well to our listeners, you know, and
we hope you have a relaxing a couple of days.
The definitely a lot of feelings that can come up
with Thanksgiving, so we hope that you find time to
spend uh with the people that you like and love
whoever they are.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Kin love, yes, exactly. That's a good way of putting it.
Awesome for Nicole, I'm Todd. Thanks for listening to the podcast.
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