Meet Pole competitor and performer Casey Danzig

Pole on the Call Podcast — Season 3
Pole Competitor & Performer, Casey Danzig

In this episode, Cris Rivers & Mændy Mac interview the amazing Pole Competitor & Performer, Casey Danzig!

BIO:
I dunno I'm fucking wierd lol In a world where competition judges lean toward what's pretty and classic and venues only want to see exotic, here come the wolves.

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YouTube @caseydanzig1694
Instagram @cazeydanzig

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to this Halloween edition a Poll on The Call podcast,
and my name is Mandy macvers and today we are
here with the amazing poll competitor and performer Casey Danzigg.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hello, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Everything.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
I am all set for there. Thank you so much
taking the time for with us again. This is exciting.
We saw your piece in the poll on the Call showcase,
and I am excited to hopefully get to know you
a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yes, I'm excited. I've been following you guys for a
while and you guys had a lot of great, uh
great peeps on here, so I'm so to now be
one of them join the alumni.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Thank you, t.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Right.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I was so happy to finally get to talk to
you at the last pso because I've seen you at
all of the PSOs.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Only like the Northeast, Well nope, that's a lie. I
go to Nationals in Orlando as well, So yeah, I
do hope to eventually make it over to the other
to the West coast as well, or even go for
it in one of those international like the one in
Germany or something. But right now, you know, it typically
is the DC, Boston and then Orlando just for fun.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Right, I need to travel like that.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
It for my one time to travel. I always joke
because I'm a Leo and my birthday is August tenth,
and Nationals usually kind of land just after that, like fifteenth, eighteenth,
So like I always joked that, like, that's my birthday party,
and it's just so great that we had this huge
show and everybody flies to entertain just for me. So

(01:56):
if anyone's performed at Nationals, thank you for coming to
my party and thank you for being a part of it.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
That's so funny because my birthday is August eleventh.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
And I also thought that about Nationals for me, all.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Right, well I will share it with other Leos. I
mean you can't. You showed up with the cat Ears today,
so like you kind of Leo up.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Oh my gosh, everyone so had enough of Leo's.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I laughed that there's so many at the studio. There's
so many Leo sagittariuses, you know, And I'm was like, wow,
there's a lot of Leos and aries and Sagittariuses and
the Pole studio. That's crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
I think Christy a scorpio right, Yes, still makes sense.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Scorpios totally makes sense, but of my good friends. One
of my old uh arch nemesis is the actually one
of my best friends. He's also a Scorpio, so yeah,
tracks percent.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
I find people you either love or hate scorpios, and
I'm just like, okay, I hope.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
You like me.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
No, Unfortunately, these days I feel like it's the Geminis
to get all the heat. So you're doing fine at
least Gemini male identified people I think get the most heat.
But I think in general Geminis get picked on the most.
And then of course people just pick on Capricorns, you know,
just because maybe that's just me. I might pick on Papricorns.
I'm sorry, Capricorns.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I just do people zodiac signs.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
I can't even remember the last time I met Acorn
unless we haven't, don't.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Know, because they're boring and like probably still at work
or something. That's why.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
I'm Capricorn moon.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
I'm a Gemini moon. So you're right. My astrological knowledge
is now a DoD yack podcast. Guys. Sorry, don't ask
the queer girl about astrology that little the entire hour.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
I love it. Oh my gosh, Well, I guess we
should scoop back to pole dancing.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yes, probably.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
Do you want to tell us a little bit about
your pole journey?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
But yeah, you know, I was making a joke that
it was kind of on the dare, and that's sort
of true. Going deeper, deeper, back from the background story
of all that is, I used to live upstate in
Opening New York. Shout out to Opening New York. I
think they have a pole studio up there, but I
don't even know. They didn't know when I was living there.

(04:53):
But anyway, I was in h I was very codependent,
was always in very codependent relationships where it's totally just
based my life interests and everything around whoever. I was
dating circle to my ex husband, where my whole life
was based around him. He was in a band. I
was always cheering him on. He was very controlling. I
was not even allowed to post a selfie. It was

(05:14):
crazy that we're not gonna get too deep into that.
But when I divorced him is when I moved to
New York City. Finally, but finally, that's been like my
dream since I was like eight, and at like thirty
five fishes, I got to finally do it. But what
I'm discovering what I know, But what I discovered though,
was that once I was here, I didn't have I

(05:37):
didn't even know who I was. Like if someone asked
me on like dating apps or whatever, like what do
you what do you like to do? I never really knew.
I would say things like, h go to shows. I
absolutely do not like to go to shows. I don't
want to stand. It's loud, I don't want to do it.
People smell. I don't want to I don't want to
go or there I'll be like, I guess I like
the camp. I don't want to camp. I don't want

(05:58):
to spend my day off pretending to cosplaying as a
homeless person. No, that's not how I want to camp.
So like I didn't know like who I was when
I was interested in what I like? Who anything? And
you know, after a little bit of partying and floating
the bouts in New York City, as one does when
they're freshly single and living in New York City, I

(06:19):
did start to try to figure out what it is.
And I'd always want to do burlesque funny enough, And
you know, I saw that with bur Less School. I
saw that, like the beginner classes at the time were
only on Sundays. I work Sundays. I wasn't sure how
I could pull that off. And then just like on
a m I was like, what about pole dancing? And
I just went on groupon I couldn't even tell you why.

(06:42):
I think it's because a wonderful, wonderful sorry it's Brooklyn
outside a wonderful wonderful bar in Brooklyn called Lucky thirteen.
Uh it's a metal bar and they have amazing metal
goth hot babe pole dancer, and I think watching them
and seeing that aspect of like, yeah, they're still they're

(07:04):
doing the hot sexy thing, but they're strong and their
metal and their badass, and like whoo, I think it's
what maybe was like, maybe that's a direction, so shout
out to look at thirteen on that one, and I
just like went on group on, saw a few studios
and a coworker, then dared be because I was still
kind of sing it's all out loud and laughing about it.
Because I have no dance background, no gymnastics background. I

(07:29):
cheerleaded for two years in a small, small country school
where our outfits didn't even match like that level of
load caliber of cheerleading, so like I really had nothing
to go with and I took a shot, chose the
studio I chose, and which is Foxy Studios in New
York City. And uh, I you know, I took a class.

(07:53):
I think what I did too is I actually was
smart because I knew myself. Is I think I booked
like a five class new package or something where it's like, well,
now you have to go for at least five classes,
and after five classes, you'll either love it or hater,
but you'll know so like they'll be you know, you
won't be doing it. So I did. And that was
in twenty eighteen, and now here we are twenty twenty four.

(08:15):
I've competed for about four years now. I've been in
a few, uh perform I've pulled, performed twice at Polcon
last year and the year before that. I have been
on a few New York City stages and performed and
various things like that in showcases. So and yeah, now

(08:35):
you know, at the end of this week, I will
be taking my poll Instructor certification course. So here we
are is that that.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
That's an awesome journey.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
It's a journey that's off from a dare and shout
out to those dancers at Lucky thirteen.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Who got you in the dancers Lucky thirteen Parks of
Brooklyn there every night, guys.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Yes, especially.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, I guess shout out to group on two because
groupon's got a lot of us.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
I mean I've gotten some good massages and stuff, a
few great things from group on. So yeah, I had
a great old time in New Orleans just on groupon deals.
It was wonderful.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
But I didn't know they We had a couple of
pulled dancers who started on group on, and I've never
seen that out here in this area really, so that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah. Well, what's really funny though, is that, like because
once I saw some of the options, I went on
the studio website to see, like which one felt better
and like, and then I noticed that, like some of
the deals were actually better off the website than even
on group on. But at least groupon brought me there.
You know, they gave me the direction. They were the gatekeepers,

(09:57):
so you know, shout out to group on.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
So what inspired you to become a teacher?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, and if you see me keep doing this, it's
because there's a kiddie back here and I just keep
scratching his little head. So just so y'all know this
is Ringo. It's part of this as well, but he's
not gonna be saying very much. He's British. We don't know.
So why the Polster? Why did post tracking? Well, that's

(10:30):
there's a lot of things. I actually graduated with a
bachelor's degree in sport management in two thousand and eight,
having quite used that degree ever, But you know, it's
sports has always been something I've been into, something I've
always been involved, and sometime it's always kept me grounded.
Like I think I would have fell out of college
within the first three weeks if I wasn't on the
swim team where you have to have your GPA a

(10:52):
certain point and all these things. So like, I just
found it to be always a grounding thing. So Paul
has really just in a giant part of my life.
It's helped me figure out who the heck I am.
It's given me independance, it's given me a lot. I'm
still struggling with body image, but it's a lot better
than it used to be. You know. I started, like
most people when they go to their first class. I

(11:12):
had like my Cottons, Sophie, like cheerleading shorts and like
a loose tank top in the sports bra, like very modest,
like learning my little things, and you know I have
sense like performed in downtown Manhattan in the song. But
you know, like we all work our way through it.
So like, yes, I do have my days where I
struggle with my my feelings about how I look, but

(11:34):
like it's definitely giving me more of that confidence. And
I just love the community that's put me together, not
just within my own studio, but like because of competitions,
because of Polcon, because of social media. I have made
friends with people all over the country. I'm actually performing
at a showcase in December in another studio in Virginia

(11:56):
because I've become friends with so many people over there.
So I just love of what this world brings to people,
not just as a form of fitness, which that's also
a great thing, because I hate lifting weight, doing this.
I'm bored. I'm not going to do it. But if
I'm like working on some task, some skill, I don't

(12:17):
know that I'm still working my body. I'm just trying
to like get my head over my ass, over my
head into a freaking invert. And what I really don't
know is I'm actually doing a crunch. So I do
love the fitness of it too, So there's so many
and then the expression and just there's so many reasons.
And I've been doing pole now since two thousand and eight.

(12:38):
I got really serious in twenty twenty. I started went
to my first competition in twenty twenty one, and I
just I started small. I've done a few like parties
at my home studio or you know, I did a
lot of those dispatchelor parties, just the basics, walk around
the pole, a few spins, a few fun things obviously

(12:58):
unless they have experience, and then sure, I just love it.
I love how like how much fun everybody has, how
much sealth surprise people can be of like what they
actually are capable of, because we all go in like
I don't have no upper body strength. I can't dance.
I don't know how you guys do it. I'm like
I couldn't either. I don't come from any of that,

(13:18):
you know, and you know just how much and people
come back and how much they love after one class,
I want to book more, and then before you know,
you see them start doing showcases and competing too, or
getting on stages, other places and things. So to me,
it was just like the natural evolution of Like, you know,
I love it so much. I've been a part of

(13:39):
it every way, and I think I have a lot
to contribute because I don't come from like a dance
background or gymnastic background. I'm not I don't have a
six pack. You know, I'm not ty. Don't ask me
to do any kind of exotic stuff. I'm awkward. I
still can't work. Everyone's tried to show me how. It's pathetic.

(14:02):
So for everybody who thinks of every possible stereotype of
pole dancing or any of that, like, I love that
I can kind of come in and like break that
mold of like no, you can totally be you in
whatever way that works for you and evolve with.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
That as it should be.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
I can't wait to see your journey as an instructor,
and I know you're going to help many amount of
students and have fun making money doing what you love.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, the money will be great too. Also that.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
I'm sure there's a lot of pole dancers already who
are excited to take class from you because you've already
inspired so many.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I hope and at least if they give me a shot,
I can just I can win them all over.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Yes, what training are you doing? Pardon? What training are
you doing?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Training through like your studio or yeah, yeah, it's through
my studio, through FOXI Yeah, yeah, through FAZI. So it's
just like it's an intensive course. But what I do
kind of love is that I'm gonna be being educated
by my own friends and instructor. The day one is
actually my best friend who you's been instruck there but

(15:25):
has been out from having a baby. But like it's
gonna be kind of great that I'm not only just
gonna learn, I'm gonna be learning from the people that
like I came up in this or learned from. So
I'm stoked. And then I'm just gonna start small, you know,
like two nights, two days a week or so, and
go from there and see schemer it takes me.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Do you have plans to continue competing?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Oh? God, yeah, I'm I'm competing. I mean I'm already
I'm competing in Boston this coming November. Don't ask me
the date. I can't look it up on pulled sport
dot com.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
From twenty third and twenty fourth.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
There you go, exactly. It's so bad. People always like, oh,
you're competing yet when November?

Speaker 5 (16:12):
What?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I don't know. I should probably figure that out. I
book the I book the room, I booked the train.
But yes, I'll be I'll competing in Northeast that is
Level four Championship once again. And then I'm already working
on my new routine for uh APC Atlantic in DC,

(16:35):
which typically is in April, but last year was in May,
so who's to say. But I'm also starting to prepare
a new routine for that as well. So plenty of
things coming up, don't you worry.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
So you plan multiple routines because we ask some people
they do the same routine for each competition.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
But you you plan the months ahead. You already know
what you're doing, do you.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, well, yes, I mean I do. I will run
the same routine to multiple competitions. And so it's almost like, uh,
this year's routine, and why are you working on I
guess you could say next year's next season's routine. You know.
Typically what I love to do is I introduce my
new routine at APC and that's usually the first time

(17:27):
I do it, which is always great. And wonderful, and
then from there you can kind of see from the
experience of it, like what worked, what didn't work. If
you're brave, you can look at the judges notes. Sometimes
I do. Sometimes I don't, sorry judges, but like and
if you look back at your pictures and your videos
and see what needs to be worked done, so then
you know I typically do it twice because then that's

(17:48):
why I like to compete in August. I get that
few more months to clean up, run things, try things,
throw things away, add things whatever, and you know, make
it go. But yeah, every once in a while I
do three a year and that's the This is gonna
be one of those. So I'm gonna be doing my
team for the third time in Boston and then yeah,
next guild routine.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Hell yeah, I love that, but you have so much
time to like refine it. I've actually never done that.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
I always think to one, but I think it's time
for me.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
To take everyone's lead on this and continue with an
old one.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Oh yeah, I mean you think about like you know,
and everybody's different, so there's no wrong way. But like
for me, it's like you spend so much money on
that routine with training. You put so much effort into it,
all this time with costuming, coordinating human props, if you
have those billing props, if you need to figuring out travel,

(18:44):
all this stuff, and then you're on the stage for
three to four minutes and it's all over and that's it.
So it's almost like you know, you know, preparing for
a wedding, you know, and then your wedding is five hours,
it's all over, and you spent two years preparing for it.
So for me, it's like I didn't put all that
work in that after four minutes on one day, I'm

(19:04):
done and throw it in together. So like I like to,
you know, really really get my money's worth out of
my routines. It's really just good economics.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
You're just sold that on me.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
And it becomes more fun because like by the second
time you do it, you've already had the experience on stage,
it's already in your body, so it becomes a little
more enjoyable and you can really really put in your character.
Or my case, I always have character. I just need
to learn how to point my ankles. Ever fifty percent
of time maybe sometimes one day.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
I think feet and ankles.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Do you have any plans to do another competition outside
of Pso I.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Do, I really Uh, there's a lot of new ones
that are there's a lot of new ones that are
popping up left and right that I've been interested in,
annoying that a lot of them are in the Midwest.
I just want one someplace cool, like where give me
like a Lost Vegas competition, Like give me a place
where I can compete and step outside and go party,

(20:16):
not like in I don't know, Milwalk. Actually here, Milwaukee's
actually fabulous, so never mind, I'm not gonna shoo on Belwaukee.
But whatever they're like in Ohio, no offenseive Ohio. But like,
why are they always in Ohio? I don't know. But
I definitely want to check out Pole Theater. I think
that that would really be my jam. Yeah, I just think,

(20:39):
you know, one of my strongest points is always I
have good, uh stage presence and clarity of concept and
all that kind of stuff. That's never been an issue
for me. So I think Pole Theater would really really
be a good time for me. And they had that
like background, you like have your little background of screens
and just like the drama and if you win, you
get a crown as anyone else I could ever win

(21:01):
a crown? Are you kidding me? I'm thirty eight. I'm
not going to a pageant. Let me win a crown.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
Like it's great, I know, killing and we've heard so
many good things and I'm excited they're actually starting to
accept auditions.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
I'm like thinking, do I want to because it looks
like such a fun experience.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, I'm thinking about doing it too. I was gonna
ippy because you have to, like I think that's one
of the ones that you have to like pay for
and if you don't get in, you don't get in,
and that's it. So like there's a the brokeue artist
in me is like, I want my money to show
me something when it's done. This feels like paying a
parking ticket or something. But a lot of competitions are
like that, so I just have to kind of deal.

(21:45):
So it looks fun, so it's like it may just
be worth the shot, and there we have it. So
I mean you have to do that when you apply
for colleges too, so I guess there we are.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I wonder if it's because they get so many submissions
it takes like hours and hours.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
I'm sure I can't even imagine. I don't even know. Yeah,
I don't even know how they picked the showcase performers
for Polecon because that's like all over the country too,
when you can only have so many So like, I
don't I don't envy the like curators and the producers
of any of these things.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Good luck, you know, right, Like I like, I love
pole dancing, but I don't know if I could look
through that many submissions.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
So ken I want to host the reality TV.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Like, yeah, please let me live sing for my Life.
I have a better shot at that than an audition
on on the video, I can promise you. Let me
let me know.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Everybody's allowed to sing where they're polled dancing, it's not
shunned upon.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
That would be amazing, you know they actually I think
there has been notes before, not for me, but there
has been judge notes about competitors singing along with their
song and they're performing and to like not do that,
like come on, vibes, we all we all can't do
pretty pointed toe ballad performances. Let the people sing, like
come on for here my show.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Students out there, who helps the singing helps them stay
to be stay to their choreo and stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
It really helps them process it out.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, I do that with non Piso shows all the time. Actually,
Pierso is gonna have to suck it up. I cannot
give me away too much. But my next routine, there
is a part of the song where I do mimic
the words, so I will be singing along for like
a hot second in it. So they're just gonna have
to suck it up. Butter cut up and just keep
harassing me about my ankles.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
No it said anything.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
When I was a siren in mine and I just
go going like this, it was like what weird sound
in the music?

Speaker 5 (24:01):
No one said anything, so you should.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Be Yeah, I'm sure if it's like timed correctly and
like it makes sense, So I'm sure. Who knows. I
don't know. I don't know, I don't understand. I don't
know the rules. I'm just here and here it come go.
It's also like memorial or there's like Championship. There's a

(24:26):
few like ones that are ever coming up. There is
one in like California, so like, yeah, I definitely want
to expand out just to try new things, because that's
what after like a year or two competing in PSO.
That's when I you know, checked out. Polecon's just a
different vibe all together and not. I ended up going
completely by myself, no studio people, and I was just

(24:47):
forced to make friends and I did and it was
a wonderful experience. So like, I think it would be
cool to go to other outside PSO competitions and like
meet other people and other that made never PSO computer whatever.
So yes, all the weirdos bring me, all the weirdos.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
I am waiting for like a horror pole competition, Like
I'll just horror, like I've forard the blood to gorn
all of it.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
The thing you can get to that is like, uh,
Polecon has like creepy showcase and you can get away
with a lot more like you can have messy props
if you have a good clean up for it, you know,
Like I mean in Sexy Showcase, two people were rolling
around in oil, but they had a tarp down. PISO
would never would never allow. So yeah, yeah, that's what

(25:45):
I look forward to, is that's I love all of
that stuff. Like I really want to like put like
like one of those blood castles in my mouth and
like bite it at some point spit it out, but
like you know, it's.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
The splash zone.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
You know, there's a good usually a good distance between
stage and and and people.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Usually the orchestra pick gets it.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
And I grew up in the in the world of
like gar and stuff like that's just part of the
Like I'm a punk rock or a couple of punk shows,
like that's all part of the fun. Like was it
a good time if you're not covered in somebody else's
sweat or like beer spit, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
More so I can interact with the fluids.

Speaker 7 (26:38):
Well, you know.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's another form of bonding.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Oh, good times. That would be your fun. Competition.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Anyway they had was they had like a drag show
with it with a dragula or something like that that
was like strictly jet horror drag. I maybe like two
seasons on like Net, maybe Netflix, maybe Hulu was one
of the streaming but it was like two seasons. I
liked it, Like it was. It was all like weird,

(27:10):
creepy drags. Some barely even saw their faces. They like
wore like half masks. It was crazy, but I liked it.
It was different.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Oh shudder.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Unfortunately they took it off on Netflix, and they're six
seasons in Shutter on Shutter shutter Fest the horror app.
They have a horror app where it's all like just
gory stuff and dragula and things related to that theme.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Oh sick, yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I didn't know
about that. I'm terrible.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Dragula was awesome. See. I want a competition like that
for pull dancers.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yes, the costuming. The only problem that I watch out
with some of these costuming though, is so I've seen
I've seen mistakes happen were like the performer for gets
about how the costume will work with their routine and
maybe have never even ran it with it before, and
then I have to figure Like I saw one time
a girl where she had this gorgeous gold crown thing

(28:13):
and she realized real quick and she just kind of
dramatically like took it off and tossed it on the
floor because she realized, wait, I can't get into spash
cock this way. I can't. So she figured that out
on stage, like she really she pulled it off. But yeah,
so that's the only problem is I'd love to get
really dramatic with some crazy horns, but like I do

(28:37):
a lot of bird of Paradises and spatchcocks and things
where I have to shove my head through tiny holes
you have to make like little retractable horns that come
in and out. I'm want to do that with wings,
Like how can I get way?

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Right? Oh? Yes, yeah, I feel like something.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I mean probably it was like I don't know what
was it? Uh oh, I think it was Dalton who
did the gorgeous a few years ago, did the gorgeous
like predator thing where they like crawled, they like the
whole things they're coming down the pole. They had like
this crazy like spiny little it looked like some kind

(29:31):
of creepy bug or alien thing, but like like they
had a like this long spinal spiky thing that was
on of it. I don't know how they did the
whole routine. They ended up like snapping a guy's neck
with their thighs. It was gorgeous. It was beautiful, probably
just amazing as Dalton. But uh that's one of the

(29:52):
times where I saw the costumes too, and I'm like,
how are they going to make it work? Well they did, so,
I guess if there's a will, there's the way.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
So yes, right, Always practice with your costume.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Always practice with your costume. Always practice practice putting in contact.
If you're going to go on contacts and don't wear
the all white ones. You can't see through the white ones.
The black ones are still hard and all black ones
last year it feels like you're wearing sunglasses inside. For
the most part, all I could see was the pole

(30:24):
on the floor. But that's pretty much all I need
to see. So I did that. But uh, the white
ones with the mesh over the eyes is uh. One
girl this past at Nationals, I think in my creategory
or in the other category zippering with me, she did
do that and afterwards she's like, I did not practice

(30:45):
with those enough and I didn't see shit. I was like,
well she looked great, so.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
Oh my gosh. And also I can't even imagine.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
What it must be with like all the lights from
the stage, like yeah, and not being able to see.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
So for the blackout ones, actually it was great for
me because again, like I I because the stage lights
were so bright, and because of the way it's like sunglasses,
I couldn't see any audience. So I just felt like
I was doing some kind of like solo sound check
situation by myself. It was great.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
That sounds nice, like a little sensory removal. So you
feel so nervous.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
But let I hear people, and that's all I need.
I am a leo. I do love attention. There's nothing
I can do about it, you know the obvious look.
I showed up to a podcast in freaking I just
make up just for this. I have nowhere. I'm not
going anywhere today. I'm gonna wash my face, eating edible
and watch them herd doc after this, Like this is it.
But so that's a bigger th way I do compete.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
It is.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I like to be on stage. I liked That's my
favorite part about doing it. So you know, I could
never do a virtual competition for that reason alone, whereas
others like virtual because they like the idea of pe
Titian and training, but they're terrified at the stage, so
they so as long as I could hear, and I
love because I'll get some great poll friends. I'll just
yell the most ridiculous stuff out through the crowd, and

(32:11):
it's just I just love it all and I'd be
the same for others.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
So I love it. Do you have any other poll
competition tips to you?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
I mean, I'm trying to think, like, what are the
like less obvious ones. Obviously, of course you want to
practice things. I always say too in the end, something
I learned because I was always trying to pound as
much hard stuff into my routines as possible. And I

(32:48):
listen in the end and believe me, I have to
tell myself this all the time, especially since I came
in dead last at nationals. Placement isn't everything? Actually, that
would be my number one tip, placement, isn't everything? Like
break it down. This is no offense to judges because
I have friends that are judging. It's fine, But what
are judges at pets please? So specifically right, they're volunteers.

(33:10):
They're people that didn't want to have to pay the
now almost forty dollars to go and watch everybody else compete.
So you volunteer to be a judge and you don't
have to pay and you get to just do the
judging thing, which hell yeah, I'm gonna sign me up.
So what you're dealing with is three volunteers during art
subjective art and five. I've always noticed too, is that

(33:30):
there's always like two that will love you and one
that we call the haters that's always gonna have like
way lower. It happens every year they'll be like, I'll
have like one category. It's like I'm getting nine eight five.
How is it nine to eight and you saw five?
What is okay? Here's they like me?

Speaker 5 (33:47):
You know?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
But so I do say and something I have to
coach myself on because it's still something that I struggle with.
I cried my eyes out at Nashville where I came
in dead last because it was my best run ever.
So how that kind of dead last? You know, you
really can harm yourself. That this is all are It
is all subjective and in the end, you gotta go
out there and do it for yourself and have a
blast doing it. And if you want to go and

(34:08):
do it again like I do, you can always go
do There's always another competition. One of my big goals too,
is that I don't want to disappoint me. I don't
want to disappoint my instructors. I don't want to disappoint
my other teammates. I don't want to disappoint all my
friends that are excited, like you're like, oh, I can't
wait to see what you come up with. This year
and then you like come in dead last or seventh

(34:29):
out of ten and you're like, I failed everybody. They
were so hyped to see what I do, and I
came in so low. I suck, And oh my god,
what if I just I mean, what if I just
did things cleaner, prettier, or went to a nicer Adell
song or something something that really gets the heart strings
And like, you know, what if I did something more
digestible that people, you know, like judges can really like

(34:53):
be comfortable with. And in the end, you have to
do it for you because if you do these things
that you think might give you a better chance, your
heart might not even be in it anyway. It's not
going to be genuine. It's not going to come through
as if it's something that you're doing on your own.
So I would say my biggest tip for competition is
to go out there like you did all the work.

(35:15):
This is also quoting my coach, the great Ashley Fox.
But like, by time you get to competition, you've done
all the work. You've done it, all the work you
have been You've already cried and freaked out twenty times,
or maybe that's just me. You've already trained and ran
through and trained some more, and ran through some more,
and had the injuries and fixed the things and adjusted

(35:36):
the stuff and coughed up the money. You've done everything.
The work is done. It's over, like the competition is over,
and now now you're just up there having fun. Everybody
wants you hit to succeed. No one's screaming caddy stuff out.
This isn't like Center Stage or any movies, Like, no
one really wants you to fail. Yes they want to
we all want to win, obviously, but no one wants

(35:58):
you to fail. And what I've also noticed is some
of my favorite performers and some of the most favorite
routines that I've ever seen often don't place, and if
they do place, you don't remember after a month or so. Anyway,
I couldn't tell you who came in first at APC
last year of level four, like I don't know. I
could tell you that Shami Changa did an amazing routine

(36:21):
that year, and I'm still thinking about it, but I
don't know about I don't know who won, you know,
And that's the point is that just performed to who
you are, not what people tell you or what you
think is correct, and just have fun up there because
in the end, it comes to competitions and none of
us get paid for it, so you might as well

(36:41):
go out there and do what you want to do.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Oh my gosh, I love that you just brought up
that nobody remembers how you placed because they don't. They don't,
and it doesn't matter because they're just gonna watch your
video later because we love someone.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
You're absolutely right, ex ugly.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Like you'll remember if you placed. Like I have three
PSO medals hanging in front of me right now, one
of every place, first, second, and third. I know that
I placed that those competitions. I know I was there.
I have that memory. I don't know I remember. I
guarantee you people in my own category that year don't remember.
I guarantee you PSO Southern in twenty twenty two, the

(37:27):
first and second place winners do not remember who the
third place winner was, which was me, you know, like,
because I don't remember who the first and second one was.
So there you go, like we're all out there doing
it for ourselves and having a good time, and that's
really what it comes down to.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Actually, my medals I don't even remember all of the
ones that I won.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
You don't remember all the ones that you won, Like.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I have the medals and they say the event like
the year that it was. But if it didn't say,
I don't think I could name which ones that won
the medals.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Oh, I'm so sorry that you have so many medals
you can't remember what you got. I am so sorry
that you have that inconvenience. I am my three.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Random thoughts from Mandy.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
No, I love it. I love it. It was just
such a great statement. It's like somebody being like, I
have struggles with dispatchcock because my my hips are so
open and bendy that it's hard for me to keep
that tension. Get out of here. Get out of here
with your metal splits.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
That's how That's how I am with the metal splits though.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, see exactly, I'm dealt with your kind before.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Oh my gosh, Well, do you want to talk a
little bit about your outside of competition experience because you've
done a lot of whose performances as well.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, so you know I've done I've done a few.
I've done the uh ever ever well known within the
New York City, which is it's a a poll and
comedy show. I've done that once in Lower Manhattan. I've
done a few other showcases run by a few other
uh producer type people like uh It's coming up. There's

(39:27):
a lot of people that uh start as students and
then start producing their own shows, which is always cool
to see like your fellow students and friends doing it
and making it happen. And it just makes you want
to perform that much better if you're in it, because
it's like that's your person like doing their best, like
put on the show, and they're aready stressed out, so
you want to like make sure you bring it to yourself.

(39:47):
So I've done a few so yeah, so a few showcases.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
And I've performed also way out in the Jersey Shore,
which was a fun fun because they do different themes
every month. They do the last Tuesday of the month
and then there's a different theme. I've done Surprise Surprise,
the Halloween Show, and I've also done Emo Night, and
then in Manhattan, I've done UH it was uh it

(40:15):
was supposed to be celebrating queer artistry, so we all
just called it the Big Gay Poll Show, and I
stand by that name. So I did that one and Yeah,
I'm actually gonna be doing a like sultry uncut at
the end of the month where I'm still gonna look
like this, but I'm gonna clack my heels a bit

(40:37):
and shake my butt and do something a little out
outside of the box for me, the best that I can,
because I'm so fucking awkward, But I do the best
that I can with that. But yeah, it's one of experiences. Uh,
you know, it's it's it's it's showbiz, right, it doesn't
matter what what medium or whatever you're using. It's showbiz.

(40:58):
And there's and there's auditioning, and there's just also knowing
the right people. There's the politics of it, and there's
a lot of things, and so there's definitely sometimes it's
just the luck of the draw. You know. Well, my friends,
she's producing her first poll show next week. Not this
coming weekend, I believe the following. No, it is this
coming weekend. Actually, sorry, it's this coming weekend. Pulify. You're

(41:22):
in New York City, Pulify go see that. Oh wait,
it will already have been gone by now in her mind.
Just kidding anyway, And she's actually using like I guess
there's some uh software you can use like a randomizer,
so she's not picking everybody, she's just gonna she's doing
randomizations and then like wherever comes up and the randomizer

(41:44):
gets to perform, she's not, which I kind of love.
I didn't get into it, but at least I know
it's not for anything personal. It's literally just you know,
Spotify shuffle, you know, he kind of thing. So but yeah,
I know me, I will say personally, I struggle them
as we can with uh not competing with performing because
some they're in New York Sea specifically, at least I

(42:07):
can't speak on everywhere. There seems to be a very
high amount of exotic soultry, sexy after dark type shows,
pop up strip clubs, all that, and like that's awesome.
I support all, like girls, get your bag if you
if there's any opportunity for you to make money shaking
your booty butt, go for it. I know the strip

(42:29):
clubs have been a bit dry as of late, so
if you have other way places to perform and make money,
like amazing. But that's not really my style. I mean,
it's just not what I do. I try a little bit,
I can have a little fun with it, but it's
not really my jammy jam. And then there's also certain
shows I won't mention names and get me here, but

(42:51):
like that scene that only seemed to cast people of
a certain body type I've noticed. I think I got
I got to perform for them once because they didn't
know what I'd look like, but uh, they seem to
only it seems to be a certain like just a
certain by time, very thin, very fit, and you know,

(43:12):
it's like the same people all the time, So there
can be a struggle with sometimes trying to fit in
where it's like all right, if you're not like a
certain look or you don't do a particular style, wheready
fit in or something somebody like me who's like heavily
tattooed person. You know, I've had actual jobs be like, oh,

(43:36):
we really liked you, but we already have a regular
norm really performs with us and she kind of moves
the same way and looks kind of like you. So
like we don't want to and it's like, but why not,
I'll go to all these post shows were like there'll
be three people doing exotic and twerking and that's awesome.
There's no shit on that, but like there's no problem
doing that, So why can't there be two people that

(43:58):
move the set? I don't even know what that means,
but you know, like you find yourself. Sometimes it almost
is like, you know, when female comedians were coming up,
it's like, oh, there's only there only a lot of
like one female comedian on the on the bike, so
like the women are almost fighting with each other to
get to the table. And sometimes it feels like if
there's two or three heavily tattooed, medley looking girls, now

(44:18):
it's like, oh, well, they're only gonna pick like one,
so let's hope it's me. And so, you know, what
I'm hoping to do myself is, uh, I'm working on
making my own show because I got a leo, So
if you want buy me your stupid shows, I'm gonna
make my own stupid show, you know. And so I'm
working in the process of doing my own show where

(44:40):
I can bring uh just different, just every kind of thing,
Like this is New York City. We this I came
here to see because of all the crazy different kinds
of forms of art and performances. This is the this
Where is the city that CBGB's built, you know, Like
where is the city, like, you know, we've got the
bas and that's about it. So like, I want to

(45:01):
create a show where people can do not just the
usual things, but also break out of the stereotypes. So
they want to be creepy or metal or woodsie or funny.
There was at Nationals there was a girl in the
performance to the It's corn, you know It's corn and
she wore a no kidding, a one piece corn outfit,

(45:23):
and then halfway through that song it cut to an
actual like metal corn song. It was so awesome. Where
would you ever put that. It's not gonna go in
a pop up stripop, It's not gonna go in some
like aesthetically pleasing like where does that go? That would
go in my show, That's where that's gonna go. So
that's what I'm hoping uh to bring to contribute to

(45:45):
the world. Is you know, I'm somebody who's like, you know,
if you don't like how something is, be the change
you want to see kind of thing. So I'm kind
of hoping to develop something like that where anybody of
whatever size you are, whatever vibes you're trying to bring,
there's a place for you at the table and then

(46:08):
overthrow all the other places that discriminate. Wow, that's my
that's my villain origin story. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Thank you so much for for bringing that up and
for also being willing to provide a space.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
For everyone to be more creative than just what is given. Like,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, I get. I've had competitors, amazing competitors like level five,
people who have placed, you know, in national and they're like,
I wish I could be as box as you. Well
why can't you? Like why can't you? You know, why
why can't you be? We're like, oh, you're so weird
and I love it, Well, so can you be? Like
there's no there's no role, So yeah, come out your weirdos.

(47:02):
And by weird I mean anything. I have a friend
who competes the only show tunes. It's awesome. You don't
see a lot of show tune and performers, but she
she did it. She did it for mean girls, and
she did it for what is that six with the
Henry the eighth and the wives one? She did that one.
But yeah, so she does show tunes. So yes, when
I think weird, I don't just mean goths and contacts

(47:23):
like whatever, all the things, all the things people dressed
like corn.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Right, I showed everyone that routine.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
It was so funny, you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Yes, it was so it was like god like, even
if she just did.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
That part and it didn't bust into a corn song,
it's so little been.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Awesome, thought was gonna be anyway. I was like, this
is great and then like the it switched to them.
I mean, obviously I love metals, so then I was
like I also had a few uh you know Rose's
at that point too, So that was really excited.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I have to visit the Nationals one day. It sounds
like a good time.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, in general, most poll events can be such a
good time, just in general, like and there's always the
fun of like the you know, I guess you could
say the after party. By the after party could just
be like you and a bunch of other crazy polars
just like in a hotel room, like just drinking and
laughing and dancing around. And you know, when once I
was finished competing at Nationals, I was in there was

(48:28):
my roommate, and my roommate was getting ready for his
performance because he was performing for Level five that night,
and we were just playing bring it on, and I
was sitting there drinking my rosette, still in my red
contacts and blood on my face, like quoting the entire
opening cheer up, bring it on, like it was so fun.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Also I placed dead last at Nationals too, so.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
It's it's a fun place. Listen. You know what. I'm
a two time dead last winner in the champion level
for senior Nationals. Beat that. Who can come in two
years in the row and be dead last full time? Baby?
That's me.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yeah, someone's got to do it all the way from.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Brooklyn to annihilated. And I'm doing a bit. I mean,
I'm thirty. I'm actually I think I like before I
said thirty, I'm thirty nine. So like by next national,
unless I'm in level five, I'm actually being masters, which
actually sounds way better than senior, to be honest with you,
Like a ray be called senior or grandmaster, master, you know, master,

(49:48):
flex whatever, then senior like just put a cane out,
push me out the stage. Man ou.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
But thank you for sharing experience, because you're right there.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Events who seem to attract a specific body type for
their audience and stuff, and we need to change that.
We need more more, how do you say events that
are more diverse and more open to everybody?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yes, yeah, that's you know, that's really what it comes
down to. There's no luckily, like I said, I am
in New York City, so there are things, and like
we have pole play, though I they must be on
a break right now because I haven't heard much about them.
It is run by like four four girls that all
have real jobs and lives, so I'm sure that it
just gets a little too chaotic and they have to

(50:41):
pause sometimes and whatever. But like it's kind of like
an almost like an open mic for pole So it
is very diverse in that way, and we just need
more vibes like that, like I understand, and you know,
if people are paying to see a show, if you
want to have a certain level of like you know,
that's that's what I understand. But like we just gotta

(51:02):
I guess, gotta do better. People like there so many
good potential out there, so many talented people of every
like background, style, body type, skill, look, vibe whatever, and
you know, we're really just skimming the surface and there's
just so much more out there.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
Yes, you know, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Really think much of pole dancing I did. The first
time I really saw it was I did go to
the Hustler Club in New Orleans on Bourbon Street, and
those girls are freakin' athletes because it's like two stories
high because there's the first floor, but then there's the
second floor, so the VIP section, which is a balcony,
and these girls go all the way up to the ceiling,
so they're like way up there, beasts. So I remember

(51:48):
being in press. I'm like, Okay, it's not just about
being sexy and slinky, like you really have to. But
it wasn't until going to say Lucky thirteen where I
got to see a different version of that art form.
And there's still go go dancers, there's still like been
over getting dollars in their thombs as they freaking should,
but like there's also this like different look to it
and that you can you can do this to the

(52:09):
music that you like. It doesn't have to always be
like you know what you're in clubs. So I just
think we need to bring more of that, And yeah,
we do need to bring more. Uh we need more
like queer shows where like people can have, you know,
have all their scars out and it not be a
thing you know, like it's just it's not even oh
they're brave, It's just they're just a person, you know,
Like there just needs to be more of all of it. Really,

(52:34):
I don't know who keeps talking outside. It's very Brooklyn
outside today. Who knows. Probably some of the double parked
and someone can get past. And this is what we're
gonna do for the next hour. I guess, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
I used to hang out there every year when I
was a child. Family.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Oh yeah, oh we just I just got some screaming too.
I wish I could catch This is good. This is
good stuff out here.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Next viral video.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Especial as like to be viral. I don't know if
I want to be viral for the streaming Brooklyn in
the back. Actually, there could be worse things. Actually, I
want to be like famous, like for like the hook
to a girl. I want to say something so out
of pocket when I'm drunk, and that be my like
claim the fame. Just something silly and minw and that's it.
I'm never gonna be able to be a baby hippo.

(53:31):
So all I can do is.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
You never know, you never know when it will happen.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I fear that it will be the worst thing. Though.
I don't want to be viral for like something embarrassing, Like, no,
in the moment, I get the worst. I want to
be famous as the girl that fell from the top
of a two story poll and damn near broke her neck.
Like that's not how I want to be known. That's
true that that viral video she it is super talented,

(54:01):
but all people know it's for doing that.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
It's like, no, No, you will be known for providing
the space that makes everyone.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
Be a role model from you.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
That's the goal.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
I might have said that wrong, but you know what
I meant.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, I think so. I think I was properly in
my soapbox enough. I think we all know what I meant.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
But really, there is it's a lot of hard work to,
you know, change people's minds about what they've been programmed
to think. Is like what's presentable on stage, which is
so annoying. But when I was in college, I had
to cover up all my tattoos anytime I was on
the modern dance stage, and.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
That was annoying. And then ten years later I went
back my teacher was like, oh, yeah, I don't make
people do that. Anymore. So ye, so.

Speaker 7 (54:57):
Hopefully with a little bit of time, like it'll be
all okay and we'll all have like everyone will.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
Have a space as they should.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
That's you know, that's the goal. It's I mean, it's
sometimes change is slow, God knows, so you know, things
will come in and go and again. Like I'm also
speaking from a city that's already has lots of diversity
and opportunities, So I don't know what it's like out there,
like you know, in Topeka, Kansas, Like I say, shout
out to be a Kansas because I did live there

(55:29):
for three years, Like what their opportunities and pole performances
are like. So, like, you know, if it's this much
of a struggle in the metropolis that is New York City,
I don't even want to know what it's like for
you know, Missouri.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
We should lead that out to our viewers and listeners.
What's it like for you guys in the whole performance world?

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Please come in below there you go.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
We've only discovered a few in our area.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
I think we've we've spoken to all of the facilitators
yeas free yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Yeah, inspire others to go out and do the thing,
and I create these things in Topeka, Kansas and stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Hell yeah, there's a lot of uh you know, oppressed
people and Topeka that would really that's where I swear
I became goth when I moved Toto Pica. Something about
that is when it all went crazy for me. So
of course that was in line. So I can't speak
of Tapeka, Kansas twenty twenty four. So sending a lot
love to Topeka. We're not picking on you. I picked

(56:45):
a random Mid America city.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Too funny, We're not.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Oh yes, I can't. Okay, I was saying Tulsa whatever.
You know, we just need it everywhere.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
I'd say, I agree, yeah, too funny.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Do you have a favorite Poe trick?

Speaker 2 (57:17):
It's called the disappearance, I would say with it would
be bird of Paradise, upward, downward and in between. I
love a bird of Paradise. I liked it when I
learned it in yoga because it's actually a yoga move.
Interestingly enough, I don't know why I like to have
terrible balance, but I always liked in yoga, and the

(57:40):
fact that I could incorporate it on the pole is
you know. It was It was a it was a fight.
It was a battle, but it's uh, I got it,
and now it's it's like I literally have it in
everything because I can do it in heel without heels,
you know, with a box in a box.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
You know, how did you train for flexibility for that?
Were you already flexible when it came naturally to you
or did you have to train for it?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
I've always been uh god, now I'm selling. Now I
sell like that I've always been naturally flexible. But I did.
I always I always was. Uh. Even like remember in
like school, we'd have to do all those uh like
physical education casts once a year, like run the mile,
all that kind of stuff. I would run like a

(58:28):
solid fifteen to thirteen minute mile. I just power walked
a lot. Could not run to save my life, couldn't
do pull ups, just just struggle. But the sit in
reach is where I shined. I like the whole like
just like sitting there and touch your toes and I
would like put my head to my knee and be
like way over there, and like that was my thing.
And I did karate in fourth grade and everybody, you know,

(58:51):
the sense as would notice that, like when we're all
doing stretches. I could stretch a bit deeper than the
rest of the kids, and like it's always been there.
I trained my own split when I was a cheerleader,
and that was just me being Delulu of me just
being like, I can do a split, I can do
it split. I can do it split, and like just
going down as low as I could and eventually like
I was to the ground. So delusional people, delusional goes

(59:14):
a long way. Yeah, So I've always kind of had
that natural flexibility. So for me, I go against everything
you're supposed to say. I get dragged to one flexibility
class a week, and that's just recently in the past
few weeks. I hate stretching. I don't know why. I'm
not lying it. I don't like stretching out of the

(59:37):
gym because I'm done. I don't want to, like, now
that I'm done doing all the things, I don't want
to go sit in the mat and stretch. I want
to just like go eat and take a shower. But
I do recommend that you do do that, for sure.
But the thing with flexibility is it just takes work,
and don't bail. It doesn't come away naturally these things,
you know. I the first time my instructor kind of

(01:00:00):
put me into the Bird of Paradise like that feeling.
I was like, AS's a freaking lily not and never again?
But then I know, I kept do it and now
you know it feels natural. But it felt crazy for
a while, and I didn't have it all the time,
and there were some days I could do it, some
days I couldn't. Dispatchcock. Oh god, I used to really
because I step into it. And I call it the

(01:00:21):
birthing yourself method where you step and then you push
yourself through your legs and you're in it. You did
do that, I was like screaming I did. It's like
you're birthing yourself. And the first time I tried, I

(01:00:41):
even tried, and I was like pushing my head through.
I was like, oh hell, like no, you know, like
it took a year of really serious training on both
of those moves, the Bird of Parents and spatch. Doct
really get them, but anyone can. So I understand that
this is don't put me on this. I am not
a professional. This is just what I heard from one

(01:01:03):
of my aerial coaches who he just flexibility. So if
he's wrong, then he's the one wrong, not me. But
from what he told me, anybody can train into your
forward splits. Sometimes in metal splits it's slightly anatomy based.
I don't know if that's true or not. I'm fighting
for my middle split. I'll fight till day I die for.

(01:01:24):
But if that gives anybody any comfort, it doesn't matter
what body size you are, background training like what it is.
It doesn't matter if at the moment you can't even
touch your toes, you can get there. I've seen a
lot of my friends. My one friend, he's extremely muscular,
he's a dadonnis and he could barely like do anything flexible.

(01:01:47):
And you know he's now he's he's got a few
of those like flexible looking things like pegasus. But like
he surprisingly opened up his back a lot, and so
I call him the bendy back bitch. And so also
there's that like uh sometimes like don't be discouraged if
a certain bending move isn't coming to you, because everyone's different.

(01:02:09):
And like I have a friend she's still fighting get
her bird of Paradise and she just got a split.
But she can do like eagle and cocoon. She can
do all that like back, you know, like that kind
of stuff, So like, keep at it, definitely, keep taking
flexibility classes, keep working towards those moves, keep music and
doing modified versions of them. Whatever you're gonna do, get

(01:02:32):
into the move and hold it for three and let
go whatever you need to do, but keep working at
it seriously, and it does. It will come. And I
have to tell myself that because I want to get
my eagle and I surely cannot at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
So buddy, thank you for sharing that and bearing with
me and answering those questions.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Nast me, how my tattoos I have, which one hurt
the most? What's the weirdest thing I got?

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Well, when do you have to see yourself in five
years with?

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Well, listen, if COVID tells anything out anything, none of
us are. We can guess where we'll be in five years.
And I guarantee none of us gets in twenty twenty
where we were gonna be in twenty fifteen. When we
guess what we'd be doing in five years, I think
we all lost the test. So who's to say? I

(01:03:31):
would love to I would love to have more traveling
performance opportunities like I would love you know how much
salty I was to see pole dancers at the Super
Bowl performing. I don't want to be when I was
pole dancers performing on the Super Bowl, Like I want
to do that too. Or I think it was Crystal Belcher.

(01:03:54):
She performed during one of Usher's residency in Vegas. That's
just so dope. I love that. We've had a bunch
of pardon.

Speaker 8 (01:04:03):
Me, he's touring with Ice Spice.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
She is something I have when my one of my instructors,
she was gone for six months because she was touring.
Oh my god, she's gonna kill me because I can't
remember her name. A huge, huge Latina star and I
cannot remember her name right now. Oh my god, she's
gonna listen to this and be like, but you haven't

(01:04:27):
say she got to do that? You know. I've had
a few friends uh perform with Snoop Dogg, and those
are always really crazy videos, like somebody think a video
of them from backstage. It's like huge, like millions of
people and there's a little old them on the little
old stage pole with like Snoop Dogg, and it's sold
out crowds crazy, you know, Like I would love that,

(01:04:49):
But I'd also just love to just be more known
and get those opportunities to like, you know, be invited
to like do workshops and you know, in different places
and just like like you know, like I say, my
coach Ashley Fox, everybody knows her. I didn't even know
who she was when I started working with her. I
learned why I went to competition people start coming up
to her. I didn't even I didn't know. I know now,

(01:05:10):
but I didn't know then. And I would love to
have that, like people be able to pull up and
be like, you know, oh God, do you remember when
you did this showcase and blah blah blah, and you know,
like I would love that as much as it would
drain me. I am a bit of an ext introvert
and I would probably start hiding from people pretty quickly.
I would love to just have more of that opportunity.

(01:05:33):
Of course that's the lead on me, but more so,
like I was saying, like right now, I'm in the
works of starting my very first show, and it would
be so awesome to have something that develops into something
larger and something more like think somebody that people really
get excited to be to do. Maybe it becomes like
I guess I'll give them a little bit of a

(01:05:54):
shout out, you know, stick a pole and then it.
They are the comedy poll thing. I'm just I'm just
gonna what I'm but what I will say is that
they they sold out. Like every show, people come and
people love it. They I believe, if I'm correct, they
have extended or in a process of extending it to
la and it's becoming a thing that I believe. I
saw that before I stop following them. Uh so, you know,

(01:06:20):
which is great, and I would love to have like
that kind of of a strong kind of thing. Maybe
not quite what they're doing. They're already doing what they're doing,
you know, but like something like that, you know. So yeah,
I just just shake things up.

Speaker 8 (01:06:35):
Honestly, Well, you're definitely being seen because I saw you
and remembered you and fangirled you and now get to
learn all about.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Everyone else. I'm so sorry. I'm not really that interesting.
I watch like I just like binge, watch all the
Bravo shows. I eat the same vegetarian chili and bed
with my cat like every night, like three glasses of wine.
I'm drunk, like it's I'm really like, it's so not fun.

(01:07:08):
What these are?

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
The fun fact we've been waiting for.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Oh my god, Yes, you know, I do think that
Shannnadoor needs to go to rehab and stop drinking and
stop playing games with all of us. That that would
be the Real Housewives of OC for all those listening
to that one. I'm very glad that Vetter Pump Rules
is on pause because they need to regroup. They really

(01:07:35):
fell out of things after scan of all. But yeah,
if I could go on a whole this is not
a Bravo podcast, we will not go there. But I
could go on a whole thing about all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Funny. I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I've been single for three years. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
Cover go on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
I think i'd have to like date my like postal
worker or something like. You'll literally have to be delivered
to my door at this point, because like, I don't
go out. I don't want to talk to you anybody.
I don't like the apps. I don't want to be
the small talk. I don't want to be the same
question so.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
They piss you off line their pants with like food
so they get attack my dog.

Speaker 8 (01:08:22):
But thinking ahead, thinking too far ahead, what should.

Speaker 7 (01:08:39):
Oh my gosh, that'll be for our next episode of oncast.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
You Oh you could definitely make an entire episode on
pole dancers dealing with dating apps. I promise you we
all have stories with that. We all have that. You
can dance in my poll? What club are you at?
Would you ever do a dance for me? And then
of course the reverse with the man explaining of oh, yeah,
you know that's a real work. Oh that's a whole
body work. Oh is it? Is it, Trevor? Yes it is?

(01:09:10):
Thank you Brian with why we're aware? You know, like, so, yeah,
you can make like a collaborative collective episode of multiple
pole d answers just for their story. There's your Valentine's episode.
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
I'm also thinking like a future PSO routine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Oh god, oh god, oh god. Like that's the creepy one.
The creepers are just the hinge bumble dms or like
you know, or the instant matches, and before you can
even message them, they unmatch you. And you're like, I
guess I'm ugly. I don't know, like if you have

(01:09:59):
to laugh with all of it, honestly, that's how I
look at it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
Oh my good oh goodness. You would like to share
with listeners?

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
I think I said, why not?

Speaker 8 (01:10:20):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:10:20):
Definitely give Casey a follow if you're not already so
you can stay updated on all the amazing, wonderful things
that will be happening soon within the next five years.
And thank you so much to everyone for listening to
and watching this episode of Paul on the Call podcast
for Halloween.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
My name is me and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
I dropped the pillow was gonna show, So we're just
gonna do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
A bitch one day.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Oh my gosh, it wouldn't take like I would have
ripped my leg off if I tried to do that
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
That was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
I'm not gonna lie. I felt it, I felt that,
I didn't feel bad of it. I'm not gonna be
like