Special Report: Ego Fest XV

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh gez, folks, it's showtime.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
People say good money to see this movie.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
When they go out to a theater.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
They want closed sodas, hot popcorn in. No monsters in
the Projection Booth.

Speaker 5 (00:32):
Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Put it off.

Speaker 6 (01:25):
Five stars all the way, except for the last couple
of years. The best film study podcast of all time
in my opinion. Unfortunately, politics and strangely distorted British accents
have crept in all too often lately, some new personalities
with the habit of laughing a lot. No matter, it's

(01:45):
still an excellent show. Go back and listen to the
back catalog pre twenty sixteen for straightforward movie talk about
story acting, shot selection, etc. Too much political commentary now,
but I always look forward to the new shows anyway. Update.

(02:06):
Because I have a long history with this show, I
have found their old catalog on spreaker and use that
glitchy app to re listen to their pre twenty sixteen shows,
which are all pure gold. Nowadays not so much. I
miss the Mic and Rob days that got me through

(02:27):
many days and miles of work travel in the early teens.
Annoying amateur babbling nerds. If you have no life and
like listening to long winded, redundant, poorly spoken, profane, vulgar, unfunny,
nerd humor, unoriginal, regurgitated misinformation, irrelevant personal stories and off topic, stupid,

(02:50):
ridiculous connections told in bloated more is more geek fashion,
then go ahead and tune into these idiots. But if
you are your self a fan of such movies and
want to know more about their making, certainly do not
ever make the mistake of listening to this junk. It
will taint the properties you once loved.

Speaker 7 (03:13):
Horrible effate commentaries. I came across this podcast and decided
to try it out because they featured an interesting selection
of movies they were reviewing. It's a bit interesting that
their commentaries and reviews can be triple the length of
the movies themselves. I found many of the commentaries to
be obnoxious. From a feat self appointed elites. Specifically, I
listened to the reviews and commentary on The Thing and

(03:36):
The Running Man. Ascribing the box office failure of the
Thing to Reagan era politics as they did was just ridiculous.
Reagan took office in January and nineteen eighty one. The
Thing was released in late nineteen eighty two. The Thing
was indeed underappreciated then and frankly still is, but the
commentary was idiotic. In a similar vein, I was annoyed

(03:58):
by the brit reviewing The run Man. The ultimate irony
in their twenty seventeen commentary was that the very bit
the commenters were talking about the selective editing by corporate media,
manipulation of the general public, etc. Is exactly what's been
happening in the last five or so years, but by
the people they presumably support. I was hoping to hear
bits about the craft of the films and got a

(04:20):
little of that on The Thing, But The Running Man,
which is sadly proving to be as prophetic as Demolition Man,
was filled with political diatribes and snide remarks. Some might
say to give it more of a chance, but I've
wasted too many hours on this podcast as it is.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Hey, folks, welcome to Ego Fest fifteen, the time where
I pull back the curtain and what is happening at
the Projection Booth. I take listener questions. I talk a
little bit about myself, talk a little bit about what's
going on with the podcast. Might talk some other people
up as well, you never know. It's kind of a

(04:56):
free form train of thought type of exercise where I
don't write too many things down other than a few
topics that I want to be sure to cover.

Speaker 8 (05:06):
And then of.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Course all the questions that people have for me. As
you heard, the Projection Booth is universally loved. Nobody has
a bad word to say about the show. Let's keep
it that way, shall we. Actually, a lot of the trolls,
the right wing trolls that were coming out and critiquing
me for actually introducing political things into movies I talked

(05:28):
about politics or making things quote unquote political, they have
kind of gone away, which is not bad. And my
stalker who loved to sign me up for different right
wing websites and newsletters and those things haven't heard from
that mofo in a long time either. That's fantastic. Again,

(05:48):
let's keep it that way. Of course, after I recorded that,
that's when I had a recent interaction with someone. You've
probably read some of the reviews that I've gotten where
people just complain about how political we get on the
projection booth or I get specifically.

Speaker 9 (06:10):
Politics again where they don't belong. Would be a fantastic
podcast if the host and guests could go two minutes
without sticking their idiotic political points of view in movie
reviews that have nothing to do with politics. So exhausting.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Sorry, I can't keep my mouth shut when I see
the world just kind of turning to shit, So my
bad when it comes to that. Also, sorry that I
called out Charlie Kirk for being a piece of excrement
right after he died. I mean, Charlie Kirk died for

(06:45):
what he believed in, which was very lax gun control,
and apparently because he wasn't right wing enough, which is
fucking crazy. Based on that managed to attract some unwanted
attention from, of all people, filmmaker in Garronigo Gosien, Sorry

(07:07):
for my pronunciation. I don't know if he runs a
site or a thing on Facebook, but has posted a
couple videos with my likeness on there and with people
like Charlie Kirk or Trump basically punching me in the

(07:29):
face until my head explodes kind of disturbing and yeah,
just not something I'm a big fan of. So I've
tried to get those videos taken down off of Facebook.
I've also tried to get his account reported and possibly

(07:49):
closed down, both the AI slap account that he runs
that's that their name, not My Name AI slap account,
and then also his own personal account. But apparently now
that Facebook is just completely embracing AI and doesn't seem
to give a shit about any sort of community standards.

(08:12):
Now he's still going, that site's still going, everything's still going,
So fuck me, right. But that's the kind of weird
shit that I'm putting up with, and I'm sure a
lot of you other folks are putting up with too.
I can't even imagine some of the things that especially
some of the female co hosts that we've had on
the show, some of the trance people that we've had
on the show, the stuff that they go through, it's

(08:36):
much more intense and horrible, I'm sure than what I'm
going through. So I just felt though that I wanted
to bring that forward, just because what the fuck man?
He just posts these weird frickin videos of like Barack
Obama's head explodes and Joe Biden's head comes out, but

(08:56):
Joe Biden's head is also on Barack Obama's chest eating
guy scream. I don't know what's going on with this dude,
so yeah, suffice it to say I probably will not
be reviewing or talking about any of his films anytime soon.
Actually has a film out there, Dangerous People from twenty fifteen,
and apparently acts in other people's films as well, So yeah, great.

Speaker 10 (09:25):
I was into it until the oh so convenient yet
misguided and just stereotypically dumb Disney bashing Deadpool Wolverine bashing. Well,
I'm thinking they're rather happy. Same with the Romulus people.
This elitist and unable to just have fun attitude just
made me drop off and unsubscribe. Gave it a try.

(09:48):
I'm off to have a good time watching movies and
not spread misery.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Let's go ahead and kick things off with a voicemail
that I got from Captain Billy. Let's go ahead and
just play that back and and answer some questions after
I come back.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Hey, Mike, Whites hate Projection Booth. Captain Billy here calling
from the center of the universe, Parma, Ohio. You're asking
for questions or your ego theft I can only think
of one, Mike, Why are you so awesome?

Speaker 11 (10:17):
Why is the.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Projection Booth the greatest podcast in the universe? Is there
a room in the bed for your wife at night
with you and your awesome talent? Seriously, didn't you used
to say at the end of the show, ticking over
the world one listener at a time, and then now
it's just taking over the world? Did I hallucinate that
it's a great show?

Speaker 12 (10:34):
Guys?

Speaker 5 (10:35):
Keep it up.

Speaker 13 (10:35):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
First off, that is four questions. Let's go ahead and
answer them in order. Why am I so awesome? Oh boy,
that's really tough. Gosh, there's so many reasons why I'm
so awesome? Let me count the ways. Actually, I don't
think that I'm awesome at all. I think that have
the ability to bring together some awesome folks and have

(11:01):
some great discussions around movies. But frankly, I don't think
I'm very awesome. Why is the Projection Booth the greatest
podcast in the universe? Again, probably not the greatest podcast
in the universe, though I have to say it's probably
better than some film podcasts. One thing is that when
we were sitting up the show, we said, let's not

(11:22):
have a whole lot of chit chat. Let's dive into
the movie discussion pretty quickly. Let's try to keep it
as professional as possible. That might not be true, it
might not be as professional as possible, but I do try.
So there is that Is there room in the bed
with your wife at night for you and your awesome talent?

(11:43):
Probably not. Yeah, Luckily we've got a California king, so
I guess the talent kind of sits between us. It
seems to have enough room, So that's good. And as
far as taking over the world one listener at a time,
maybe I said one listener at a time at some point.
But it was tough to find a way to end

(12:04):
the show and didn't want to have some sort of,
you know, take it easy kind of ending. I didn't
want to steal somebody else's ending sentence. I do like
keep the dirty side down in the shiny side up,
but that's just mostly for my truck of friends. Yeah,
I don't remember when I switched to the projection booth

(12:25):
taking over the World. But that's how it's been in
the outline for the longest time, and every once in
a while I might change it up a little bit,
but for the most part, Yeah, we've just been working
on taking over the world. And I don't know if
you hallucinated that then might be the case, but I'm
sure that there is evidence out there to contradict me,
and no, for sure. The first I don't know, one

(12:48):
hundred two hundred episodes, I probably had no idea how
to end the show once I found out that I
wanted to take over the world and take over all
those other podcasts and make mine the greatest in the universe.
If not World, World, Solar System, Galaxy, universe, I'm fine
taking over all of them. Let's go ahead and stick

(13:09):
with some questions more. Let's go ahead and hear from
Dallas Novelle, who is a longtime listener and we communicate
via Instagram. It's always good hearing from Dallas, and very
nice of him to send along this question list as well,
so we've got a little bit of stuff from him.
Let's go ahead and play that.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Can you talk a little bit about the feedback that
you received from filmmakers, authors, or even other podcasters who
were allowed to guest host or even were featured on
your show in response to what kind of audience they
got after being on your show.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
You know, I don't know if I've ever really gotten
that feedback. I will occasionally hear from somebody who said, oh,
I heard this person on your show and I picked
up their book, But that's a about it. It would
always be nice if I did hear either from the
filmmaker's authors, et cetera, or from the folks that might

(14:07):
have checked out a movie. Every once in a while,
I will get a I watched this movie because of
his on your show, and I liked it a lot.
I don't tend to get a I listened to your
show and I watched this movie and I hated it.
What movie did you guys watch? Though, every once in
a while I make get that if we dislike a
movie and people will come back with that, I've gotten

(14:30):
a lot of all the things. Civil War Alex Garland
Civil War seemed to cause the most consternation with people
that we didn't like that movie. Actually have a review
of the show from somebody who didn't like our review
of it. So let's go ahead.

Speaker 14 (14:48):
And play that Triggered by Alex Garland. I typically enjoy
the film analysis and depth of knowledge, but the hosts
sounded completely triggered in the episode about Alex Garland's They
were ranting about all the decisions he made for no
reason and how enraging they found the movie for an
entire hour plus fine for a two sentence letterboxed review,

(15:11):
but I would expect a more thoughtful and thorough analysis
of a film during such an extended dialogue. For me,
it highlighted the occasional unfortunate tendency for their discussions to
start sounding like an amateurish echo chamber.

Speaker 10 (15:26):
Dear Mike, big fan of the podcast and first time
writing in, absolutely love the mix of in depth discussion
and interviews. To me, it has always felt like the
most well rounded film podcast available. This is also the
first time I have felt compelled to write into any
podcast I listened to with criticism. I listened to the

(15:48):
Civil War episode and was struck by two things. One,
A significant portion of your criticism of the movie is
that the movie is different to the trailer, and that
all three of you you expected a different film based
on the trailer. The film speaks for itself. The trailer
is there to sell the film to a wide audience.
Whilst trailers, interviews and press releases may ultimately affect the

(16:12):
expectations you bring into the film, it is surely down
to you to let go of the baggage and assess
the film on its own terms. Two, there was a
great focus on disappointment that the film has nothing to say,
Yet your discussion focused on elements the film clearly did
not care to dwell on, such as how the Civil
War started, what the politics of the different factions were,

(16:35):
and how it relates to twenty twenty four as if
it needs to. In your one hour discussion, you almost
never explore what the film is clearly focusing on journalism
and the gray morality involved in this objectivity. This point
being missed is striking, with the perfect example being your
discussion of the ending, where the consensus seemed to be

(16:57):
that you didn't care that kissed and Dunst's character was
killed when sacrificing herself. No one brought up what happened
afterwards in that Kylie Spainey did not check on Dunst
and instead carried on to make sure she gets the
perfect photo, and Wagner Mura did not check on his partner,
instead rushing to get an interview. When begged to not

(17:19):
let the soldiers kill the president, Mura coldly acknowledges the
plead as a quote, and is then captured in the
photo standing alongside the soldiers who are committing a war crime.
Whether or not you are invested emotionally dunced is a
fair critique, though lacking without further elaboration. But to only
view the ending in terms of her being killed rather

(17:40):
than how the other journalists act signals that an understanding
of the fundamental elements that encompass the film were either
not picked up or were certainly not conveyed in the discussion.
It is perfectly fine to miss the point of a film,
though perhaps a shame for all three hosts guests to
have done so so. But I just could not get

(18:02):
over how all three of you were so hung up
on the film being different to the trailer. It was
mentioned for a split second that Alex Garland did not
edit the trailer, which is then rebutted by stating it
was Alex Garland who edited the film. It should really
not be revelatory to hear that the film is the
piece of art speaking for itself, not a trailer made

(18:23):
to get a mass audience to buy tickets to view it.
Not that you didn't have other criticisms that I'm sure
would limit your appreciation of the film regardless, and a
couple I found compelling, but it seemed fairly clear a
large amount of the episode was spent both expressing disdain
that the film had not been what you expected and

(18:43):
not engaging with what the film was actually focusing on. Obviously,
run the show as you please, and who am I
to be listened to? But I was genuinely taken aback
from listening to that episode and felt the need to
write something. If this is even read, I hope it
gives you something to think about. Laugh at best wishes Paul.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
So yeah, very interesting. I actually just got some feedback
the other day, so speaking of Instagram from a friend
on insert well, I guess he's a friend. It's very
condescending when he was talking about our opinion of our
Civil War episode and basically saying that we completely missed
the point of everything and that we were too stupid

(19:26):
to understand what was going on with that. Also, how
much he disliked Father Malone and Christassue, which is not
really a way to enjoy yourself to me, because obviously
I podcast with those guys quite a bit. We do
the Sopranos podcast with Chris, which has yet to come out.
Hopefully one of these days that show called what No
Fucking zd Will actually come out. And then with Father Malone,

(19:50):
we do well, We've done quite a few things, but
we've been doing midnight viewing over the last few years,
and we are just about to wrap up all of
the details from the Dark Side seasons and move on
over to the Hammerhouse of Horror season that is out there,
and then I'm sure we will find another horror anthology
show to go through. So yeah, I've been podcasting with

(20:12):
him for years and years and he is just about
to be on yet another episode. Also with Chris, I
do the well We've done Colombo, Colechak, Bernie Miller also
do the Ranking on Bondo podcast with him, did Rings
of Power, which hopefully we will do the second season

(20:33):
of that pretty soon. Chris is a pretty good friend
of mine, and so the way to my heart is
not to critique him and talk about just what a
shit co host he is, so, But as far as
any feedback from filmmakers, yeah, nobody said, oh yeah, well
I had a lot more people buy my movie afterwards,

(20:54):
or got a lot more feedback from people after I
was featured on the show. So yeah, the US thing
about doing this, I mean, thank you Dallas, especially for
giving me feedback. Every once in a while, Dallas will
write to me and talk about different episodes he's listened to.
I've got another friend, Chip who will do the same.
That's great because podcasting, as we talked about in the

(21:16):
age of audio episode podcasting is pretty lonely business. Me
sitting here alone in front of a microphone talking to
a hopefully not imaginary audience, but also just not getting
any freaking feedback at all. Just putting out episodes week
after week after week. You don't tend to get a
lot of feedback on stuff, so you just basically hope

(21:38):
that people are listening, look for download numbers, and assume
that people have heard things. But yeah, it's kind of
a strange biz to be in. There's not a great
feedback loop. Let's say, can.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
You talk a little bit about your favorite decade of
filmmaking and more specifically, what is it in that era
that we're missing in our style of filmmaking today.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I don't think it's any secret that my favorite decade
of filmmaking is the nineteen seventies. A lot of it
is because I grew up during most of that. I
mean I was born in seventy two, so I missed
out on quite a few things. I really wasn't too
aware of the world by nineteen eighty when the decade
was over, but I was exposed to a lot of

(22:27):
things during that decade. Also just going back and catching
up with the films back then. It was such an
interesting era.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
We've talked about that confluence of things like Vietnam and
Watergate and the spiritual vacuum that was going on in
the US at the time, talking about you know, occultism.
I mean, we had the Manson murderers, we had the
beginnings of the oil crisis. We had a lot of

(22:58):
interesting things going on at that time in the world. Obviously,
I've talked about what was going on in nineteen sixty
eight around the world with the student protests and so
many different countries, and I really feel that that fed
into the films of the decade. I just felt like
it was a very cynical age. But yet at the
same time you had things like Jaws and Star Wars

(23:21):
and that kind of era of blockbuster Blockbuster Summer's beginning,
and you also had the studio is still taking a
lot of chances on things. And also the independent movement
was still going on. You still had the drive in movement,
You had a lot of regional filmmakers that were doing things.
I know that we still have independent films happening today,

(23:45):
but some of them are just not my cup of tea.
Every once in a while, I'll get people sending me
things and it's usually horror, and I'm like, it's not
really my bag, baby. But I won't say that twenty
twenty five is divorced from the ideals of the nineteen seventies. Obviously,
we are in a big crisis time right now. I'm

(24:08):
kind of looking forward to the rest of the twenty
twenties and into the twenty thirties to see how what's
going on that way is being reflected. That's one of
the reasons I came down on Civil War so hard
is that it just didn't feel like it actually took
a stand I believe that in a movie, okay, what
we should call it, The Hunt, that was basically taken

(24:29):
out of theaters because people were too afraid of political
violence and of his conservatives hunting liberals. I really feel
that that was probably a much more edgy film. I
have seen that, and I do remember enjoying it. I
love people hunting people movies. I love that we have
a new version of The Runningman coming out pretty soon.
I want to see The Long Walk, which is coming

(24:51):
out as I'm recording this first part of the episode.
I love that cynical stuff, so I want to see
more of that and less of the flash and sizzle
kind of stuff. Not to say I dislike just mindless entertainment,
but yeah, I really felt that the seventies were a

(25:12):
great time to see a lot of different filmmakers kind
of learning their craft, some classic filmmakers still struggling to
make their films and getting a lot of interesting things
out of it. I imagine that if you look, if
I were to do a chart of what era of
movies we've talked about the most, I can see the

(25:33):
nineteen seventies probably being the biggest spike, maybe eighty six
because We've talked a lot about movies from nineteen eighty six,
but yeah, the seventies definitely is my favorite era of films.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Who are some of your favorite filmmakers working today and
what do you think sets them apart from some of
their contemporaries.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
So I have thought about this for well over twenty
four hours since I got your question, Dallas. I have
to say, there's nobody who I'm really rushing out to
see their films. You would think I would be like
a pig and slop with the new Aeronofski film coming out.
Some people are super stoked for a new pt Anderson
film coming out. Yeah, there's nobody who I'm really just

(26:17):
following their career and excited when they have new things release,
or read their interviews or any of that kind of stuff.
I can't even think of documentary filmmakers or anyone from
any country who I'm just like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I got to see this film right now. The only

(26:37):
thing that I'm excited about when it comes to new
movies is when a new Rajna Kanth film comes out.
If folks are unfamiliar, Rosna Kanth is the South Indian
superstar who every one of his films is preceded by
a little video where it calls him out as a superstar.
We recently went to see Cooley, and I think it

(27:00):
was last year or the year before we saw Jailer.
I hear there's some sort of sequel to Jailor that
might be coming out. I'm excited for that. So yeah,
that's about it. And this last time I went to
see a Raja Khan film, the audience was just super
into it and everybody was screaming and clapping, especially when
Raja Khan's video came up and some sort of anniversary.

(27:22):
I think he's been working in films for fifty years now,
so yeah, it's pretty amazing. But yeah, as far as filmmakers, yeah,
I enjoyed the two films that I saw by the
guy who did Barbarian and Weapons. But it's not like again, I'm,
oh my gosh, I gotta see this guy's movies. I'm

(27:44):
not a big like ariastor fan. There's nobody who's just
really doing it for me every single time one of
their movies comes out. I'm just kind of cautiously optimistic
with certain filmmakers. But I'm still seeing a lot by
the Old mass which is weird to say. As far
as your Scorsese's, your Smielberg's, I mean, poor Briandon Palmer

(28:09):
hasn't made a film in a while, nor has anything
that he's made, oh for quite a while been anything
I'm rushing out to see. Yeah, I'm sorry, I feel
like I'm copping out on this one.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Barney Miller felt like a perfect podcast to me. Can
you talk about some of the feelings that emerge when
you complete a project like that and have to step
away from it.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, it's very odd when you come to the end
of a podcast. We did that when we did Dreams
for Sale, came to the end of the Twilight Zone
eighty five run. Obviously, when we did Colchack, we both
talked about the older Colchak as well as the reboot
that was happening, And I mean, we'll go back to

(28:56):
Police Squad. We've got an episode about the new Naked
Gun that will be coming out for that. But there
wasn't a lot of feelings around the end of Barney Miller.
I'm glad that people enjoyed it. I'm especially glad that
you enjoyed it. I had a lot of fun with
that one. It was great getting to know Auto Bruno,
speaking with Max Gale. Finally towards the end there was

(29:19):
freaking fantastic. I hope people enjoyed the final episode for
that one. I especially really hope that people enjoyed that
I wrote out the letters goodbye in white rocks for
when Chris took off in the helicopter and he could
look down and see that. Actually doing a mash podcast
would be fantastic, but there are other people that have

(29:40):
done mash podcasts much better than I probably could. I'll
probably get a little sad at the end of the
Columbo podcast because it's so much fun to talk about,
but with that one you get tempered by the ABC
years and just how bad some of those episodes are.
So it's going from a great fun thing to a

(30:03):
slog probably in about six months here though. In between
talking about season seven and season eight, we will be
looking at a lot of things that came out between
them from Levinson and Link, as well as from Peter Falk,
so we've got a little bit of material in there.
Probably won't cover vibes, I don't think. I think we'll

(30:24):
be kind of choosy when it comes to what projects
we'll talk about, but there is a Romanian film with
a Colubo type character. There's also a Japanese series. Unfortunately,
out of the four films, I've only been able to
find two, and only one of those with subtitles. So
I'm hoping to dig up those over the next few months,

(30:46):
and if other things come about, we will definitely cover
those as well. It's actually a lot easier than I
thought it would be to put a podcast to bed.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I'm really enjoying finishing Berney Miller as well as keeping
up with ranking on Bond and the Chevy Chase podcast.
Can you talk about any other podcast ideas you're currently juggling.
Any chance of a Dabney Coleman podcast in our future.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
I would really like to get back to the Rings
of Power podcasts that we did. Had a great interview
with the composer about his work on Rings of Power.
I was very happy to talk with him, and yeah,
I enjoyed the first season kind of. I would just
like to get back and watch the second season and
talk about that with Chris and I think the third

(31:30):
season is coming up pretty soon, so there's that he
and I. Chris and I have also been talking quite
a bit about doing a Night Court podcast, which is
another one that has that reboot that just took place.
I think that might have gotten canceled now, but I'm
not sure, but there are still people from that that
are around, and it would be great if to have

(31:53):
a conversation with like a Richard Mall or a John
Larricat so many great character actors, it feels like barniey
Miller and Night Court really go together well. It feels
like some of the crazies that they were taking out
of the twelfth Precinct could have easily been taken right
into Judge Anderson's courtroom. As far as other things, Sam

(32:14):
Degan and I were talking about doing a podcast dedicated
to the works of Fastbender, but I think we are
just way too busy, both of us together to engage
in that. I've been thinking it'd be nice after we're
done with Rank and on Bond to maybe go through
all of the Elvis movies, but I don't know if
Richard or Chris are into that idea. Feels like I've

(32:38):
got a little bit of a running list of things
that I'd like to cover. But also one of the
things I've been wanting to do Chris Stash You had
a show called The One Season Show where he would
talk about TV shows that lasted for one season. There
are quite a few shows that I've written down that
I would love to talk about, things like The Chronicle.

(32:59):
There's one called dead Last with Tyler la Bean that
I would love to discuss. I think I've got a
list of, gosh, maybe five or six different shows, and
I kind of would like to just hijack his concept
and even steal the theme music and everything and just
go with that. Maybe have Mark Begley and I talk
about some things. And again, that's a lot of commitment

(33:22):
to time to do a full series watch even if
it is just one season. And I don't know if
I would do episode by episode or if I would
just do one episode that talks about the entire season
of that particular show. Gosh, remember that one with was
Colin Hanks and Bradley Whitford. I think it was called

(33:43):
The Good Guys. That was a lot of fun. I'd
like to talk about that. I mean, hell, we could
get Richard Adam on and we could talk about a
few of his shows that have only lasted one season. Miracles,
what was the one where the guy I died in Campell? Yeah, yeah,
but I remember being good And then what was that one?

(34:07):
My friend Mike, his brother worked on it. Human Target.
That would have been an interesting one. I think pretty
sure that was just one season. Would have liked to
have seen where that went, and I think part of
the fun would be to talk about where these shows
could have been. Actually, no, I just looked it up
and it was two seasons, so have been able to

(34:27):
cover that one. But that was a lot of fun
as well. So there are a lot of great one season,
two season shows out there, but to hold true to
the premise, it would be just the one season show.
As far as the Coleman cast, I would still like
to do that. It's unfortunate that mister Coleman passed away recently,
well recently for me as an old person, it feels

(34:50):
like Tom moves in a little bit of a different way.
It was probably I don't know, a year ago or something,
but it just feels like it just happened. So yeah,
it would be interesting to go through his hire filmography.
I don't know if that one will ever happen, but
that would be a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
With the understanding you don't really have a lot of
free time to listen to podcasts, or you wouldn't make yours.
What are your top favorite podcasts that aren't on the
weirding Way Family right now? And it can be even
people that you just enjoy guesting on.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
I still on my phone the podcasts that I still
listen to regularly, So actually, I'll look up right now
what I've got. So I still listen to one out
of Michigan Radio called That's What They Say, which is
about five minutes long, and it looks at different terms
of phrase or idioms that we have. That's a lot

(35:44):
of fun. I also listen to the pod News Daily Report,
which James Kridlin hosts. I still listen to We Hate
Movies fairly religiously. And speaking of religiously, I still listen
to Got Awful Movies. I don't know if I'll ever
be invited back on God Awful Movies again. I had
a fairly god awful experience with those guys. I feel

(36:07):
like I was not nearly as funny as I should
have been while I was on their show talking about
the Diniesh de Suza film. So that was kind of sad.
And then I had two of the guys whom We
Hate Movies on early on in the podcast days, and yeah,
I don't think they had a good time either, which
is a real shame because I love their show. I
love God Awful movies. The other show that I listened

(36:30):
to that isn't on weirding Way Media is Richard Hadams
Paranormal Bookshelf. I highly recommend that very interesting mix of
talking about paranormal books as well as Richard's life. I
find that kind of mixed to be pretty interesting. Otherwise, yeah,
I spend most of my mornings or afternoons either listening

(36:50):
to books or audio commentaries as I drive to and
from work, so not a lot of chance to listen
to podcasts. I have quite a backlog, especially of the
We Hate Movies. It's just a lot of episodes I
haven't had a chance to listen to. I was thinking
about listening to those when I go out west, and
I'm going to be in Utah for a little bit

(37:13):
and driving around out there, but probably we'll be listening
to Blood on the Moon, the James Elroy book, because
we are going to be talking about cop pretty soon.
Like I said, a lot of time, I just spend
listening to books or audio commentaries related to things that
we'll be discussing this year.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
You've definitely done a deep dive on some nostalgia artists
from the eighties. We've seen Willopie Goldberg, Robin Williams, and
to a greater extent, Chevy Chase. Obviously a lot of
these visits were going to be a mixed bag. Can
you talk a little bit about the motivation behind taking

(37:53):
the good and the bad, going and visiting these and
what was your motivation behind programming.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
These Chevy Chase thing that came out of a discussion
I was on an episode of Wake Up Heavy with
Mark Begley his show. We were talking about foul Play.
I believe it was the first Chevy Chase feature film
that wasn't the Groove Tube. He, Chris and I were

(38:18):
on there, and I think Chris, who loves to turn
projects in two different podcast series, was like, well, we
should do this for all of Chevy Chase's movies, and
he came up with the schedule, the list of films,
some of the bonus episodes that we've done. So that's
how that one came about, and God helped me these
movies are so bad, but I had not seen a

(38:41):
lot of them, so this was finally an excuse to
see certain things like Christmas Vacation. I know I had
seen Fletch and Fletch Lives once before, but I had
never done the deep dive on that and listened to
the books of the well listen to the first Fletch book.
I actually also watch Fletch one and listen to the

(39:02):
book that that was based on, and then reading some
of these screenplays. Because I don't just half ass the stuff,
as everybody who's listening to this probably knows, I try
my best to do the deep dive. Find the scripts,
find the audio commentary, find articles. I've been reading Chevy
Chase's quote unquote autobiography, which is obviously written by somebody else.

Speaker 15 (39:24):
Boring. Listening to this podcast is like sitting in traffic
with three dorks aka wine Cast trifecta over which gas
station has the best coffee, Tedious, directionless, and somehow still
boring and annoying. Listening to three nerds that still probably
live at home with their mother go on and on

(39:46):
about Chevy Chase movies. This podcast needs to be canceled
like Chevy Chase's talk show back in.

Speaker 16 (39:53):
The day, Chasing Chevy is much tighter as a title,
but Chevy Chases probably yields more search results. Gotta get
them clicks. As someone who has sat through most of
Chevy's filmography, they earn most of their stars simply watching
the movies. Chevy was only in a handful or so
of good films most of the time, neither he nor
the material are really up to snuff. The hosts recognize that, however,

(40:17):
they tend to repeat their points quite a bit that
time would be better spent providing more background info on
the production of the film. They get better at this
towards the end of Chevy's filmography, like reading the shooting script.
In fact, there's a whole podcast about Fletch Fletch Cast
with Laker Jim, yet it was only mentioned in passing
in one episode. Do some more research, fellas HDTGM provides

(40:40):
some background info and encourages listeners to really engage with
their show and the movies they watch. I understand Chevy
and his body of work are kind of a shallow pool.
For example, Chevy had a biography come out that was
very short even compared other Hollywood Bios. Chevy's best work,
which was written to suit him, was in Community. If

(41:00):
you need a guest to discuss memoirs of an Invisible Man,
I have the Blu Ray. It's not the best film,
but Chevy actually tries. Overall, it's a good podcast with
room for improvement.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
As far as the Robin Williams stuff, I think a
lot of that was just the reaction to his death,
which obviously had taken place that was a while ago,
and just so many people talking about how great all
of the movies were that he was in. So I
decided to pick some of the what I considered to
be some of the worst titles of his So again

(41:35):
did my due diligence, looked into these movies as much
as I could, tried to find the ones with the
lowest Rotten Tomatoes and IMDb scores, even though one of
my favorite films, Popeye, was in that category, so I
skipped over that one since we had done an episode
on Popeye before. And then I went ahead and talked
about I think five films with Chris and found that

(41:57):
some of these movies that were supposed to be very,
very bad weren't nearly as bad. And some of them
were horrible. I'm still just in awe of how bad
some of those movies were. The film Man of the
Year was wow. I still think about just how terrible

(42:18):
that one was. As for Whoopi Goldberg, I'd had that
idea in my mind for years that I wanted to
talk about at least three of those four films for
the longest time, and was just glad to do that.
I was really happy to dive into those movies and
just had a really good time talking about those. It
was also a good excuse to listen to some of

(42:39):
those Burglar books. It also was a chance to talk
with some of the people behind some of those films.
So talking with Tom Holland again not the kid from
Spider Man, but the director, great hearing his stories, and
then some of the interesting casting choices that were going on,
and just I think three out of four of those

(43:00):
were all supposed to be vehicles for other people. And
then the way that Whoopi Goldberg and her comedy kind
of rewrote those and the people that rewrote those things
and how she fit or didn't fit into those was
pretty interesting as well. That's the motivation behind all of those.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
He once made a comment about how you lost interest
in modern music after the loss of Kurt Kobain. I
think I fully understand that comment, but some of your
younger audience might not totally get the impact he had.
Is that a true statement for you? Still? Do you
listen to new artists? Can you talk a little bit

(43:41):
about the loss of him and what it meant to you?

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Is that statement still true? Yes, it is still very true.
There are very few artists that I will actively listen to.
I did put together a very extensive playlist that I
brought with me out to Benton Harbor when I hung
out with some friends. I guess I was two years ago,

(44:05):
and it was all nineties music. Ironically, no Nirvana whatsoever,
but it was all nineties music that I enjoyed a
lot of one hitt wonders, things like Flag Polesia by
Harvey Danger. I think it was probably one hundred songs,
maybe more, and that also didn't get into some of
the hard rock like Prong or Helmet. I think I

(44:29):
might have had one Helmet song on there. Also didn't
really get into too much rap, so it was more
like power pop kind of things, or even some sappy
stuff like Lisa loeb or Natalie and Bruglia. There are
definitely songs from the nineties that I enjoyed, and so
even though I did pretty much quit buying music after

(44:51):
nineteen ninety four, this is how old I am. I
still have a whole big rack of CDs. If I
went through there, I would say most of them, with
the exception, there are few artists that I still follow,
and it's probably pretty not surprising when it comes to Yes,

(45:12):
I started listening to They Might Be Giants in nineteen
eighty five or eighty six, whenever their first album came out,
and I started listening to Weird Yankovic back in I
figured this out recently because I saw him in concert
and I was trying to impress upon people just how
long he had been in my life. I think it

(45:34):
was eighty three when his self titled album came out. Yeah,
So there are artists like that. When they have new albums,
I will pick them up. But otherwise, with the exception
of like James Goulchalko's Superstar, maybe just a handful of
folks that'll pick up their things. Otherwise I'm just listening
to a lot of older stuff or kind of filling gaps.

(45:57):
There was a place that I worked at a few
years ago go called vml Y and R where they
had a Spotify playlist that everyone was invited to contribute to,
kind of a way to share music. And there were
a lot of older songs on there that I enjoyed,
especially a lot of songs that became rap songs that

(46:17):
I had never heard the original of, or even became
maybe like a daft punk song. Yeah, there's quite a
few songs like that where I'm like, oh, okay, this
became this other thing. So I always enjoy hearing where
the origination song was, Like the song that eminem that

(46:41):
Hi my name is song, Like to hear where that
riff came from. I find that fascinating. I always enjoy
knowing where the samples come from. It's kind of like
one of the reasons why I enjoy Paul's boutique so
much is just hearing all of those samples and hearing
sound being put together to make news. I guess when

(47:03):
it comes to new music, the other thing that I
enjoy is mash up albums and mash up songs, just
to hear how things are recombined. But yeah, for the
most part. I really did kind of drop out of
music after Cobaine killed himself because I was just so
into Nirvana. They were my favorite band. I was buying

(47:25):
as many bootlegs or singles or rare things that I
could find by them. I mean, I remember when Incesticide
came out, I was super excited because I finally had
some clean versions of some of these songs that I
could only find on bootleg cassette tapes. So hearing some
of that stuff pristine was really nice. Yeah, I was

(47:47):
just so into that band. I think I saw them
twice in concert. I missed the Blind Pig Show, which
a lot of people talk about around here in ann Arbor,
but I did manage to see them at Scene Use Hall,
and then once they got big, they played at the
Michigan State Fairgrounds. I don't remember who opened for them then,

(48:08):
but I just remember that being really as as Sullivan
would say, a really big show that really took the
wind right out of my sales. As far as the
loss of him, yeah that was rough. I just really
enjoyed his stance on things. I loved that kind of

(48:29):
fuck you to mainstream music, that whole idea of using
your fame to help prop up bands that have gotten
you to where you are or that you feel other
people should be listening to. So I never really would
have listened to Flipper or The Vasilenes or some of
those other bands had he not been wearing T shirts

(48:52):
for them or talking about them in interviews. Kind of
reminds me a little bit of mister Tarantino, where he
would be talking up films back in the early nineties
that quote unquote motivated him. Of course he never talked
about City on Fire, but who we talk about? All
these other films turned me onto a lot of filmmakers
that I was unfamiliar with. Turn me on to Monty Hellman,

(49:12):
so thank you for that, and same way with Cobaine
turned me onto a lot of things that I wouldn't
have listened to otherwise.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
What are some of your favorite and least favorite interviews
you've done this year? And they don't necessarily have to
be for shows you've already produced.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
As for favorite interviews, that is a tough one. Of course,
every interview should be considered a favorite interview. But I
have to say that being able to talk with folks
like Gosh, Carrie Woods and Rob freed around their work.
Also finally being able to talk with James A. Watson
Junior for the Airplane two episode or gosh al Jean

(49:51):
and Mike Reese, I mean, after seeing their names show
up on so many Simpsons episodes, it was so great
talking with them. I really got a kick out of
talking with Sean Whalen. Most people would well not most people,
because I'm old. People of my generation might remember him
as the burger guy from the Got Milk commercial. Lately,

(50:15):
I think Dominic Burgess was really fun to talk to
when we spoke with him about his work on Feud
and playing Victor Buono. That whole Victor Buono month was
just a ton of fun being able to explore his
career a little bit more and find out as much
as we could about somebody who I really hold an

(50:36):
esteem as far as his acting prowess, but whose personal
life and kind of his biography is a little bit
tough to find out. So really hoping that his nephew,
who runs a whole YouTube channel. I don't know if
he has put out a book or will be putting
out a book, but I would love to read that
all kinds of family history about Victor Buono. Other people

(50:58):
that I enjoyed talking with, Jeff Cope, David Franzoni, Paul mccutten.
It's been a really great year. I mean, I always
appreciate everybody that I speak to you because I just
appreciate that they actually take the time and talk with me.
I mean, I recently had a chat with Stephanie Powers
that was amazing. I wish that I could have seen her,

(51:18):
but she was kind of hidden from camera view. I
just got to see her eyes, and as Max says,
she's gugious. So it was great being able to connect
with her and talk with her about some of her work,
and hopefully people enjoy the episode that she's on.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Okay, let's see how this goes. I'd like to play
a little word association game with you and give you
a chance to shout out to some of your Weirding
Way family. Can you tell me the first thoughts that
come into your head in as many and few words
as you want. When I mentioned some of your regular
co hosts, Chris Stasue.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
What is there to say about Chris Stashue that I
haven't already said. I believe I've talked about him I'm
feeling like a little brother. Care about the guy a lot.
He's been going through some rough times. I don't know
if you've been listening to some of the later latest
episodes of The Culture Cast. Chris is actually doing it
as a solo show right now, though there are some

(52:17):
recent episodes where he's had co hosts on there. I
was on a episode recently about some Albert Brooks films.
I'm not sure if that has come out or when
it will be out. I'm really excited to always work
with Chris. I feel that we have a good working relationship,
and I am really excited. We have been working on

(52:37):
a show for gosh over yeah, maybe a year and
a half, maybe going on two years, all about the Sopranos.
We are going through episode by episode. That is one
where he is more the expert and I am the novice.
I am the patawan on that one, and he's showing
me the way. I've been having a great time watching that.

(52:58):
I've actually asked him if we can record every two
weeks instead of every month, just because I'm kind of
forgetting who some of these characters are. Because it's such
a rich tapestry of characters and such a strong storyline.
I know how the show ends, so I won't be disappointed.
I suppose when it comes to that end episode, it

(53:20):
won't be another lost for me where I feel like
it's shit the bed in the last episode. I hope
I'm gonna not stop believing in that. Father Malone, Love
Father Malone.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Man.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Oh man. He works so hard and puts me to
shame when it comes to putting out so many episodes.
I think he does one a week, if not two
every week. I mean, it's wild. He is working on
this taxi podcast. He is the he's the host of
Midnight Viewing where he talks with Chris and I about

(53:54):
once a month and we will record a couple episodes,
and then he also puts out his own stuff. So
it's wild to say just how much he's been putting
out and how much Carrie puts into the podcast as well.
So that's been great. Heather Drain, Heather Dream. I haven't
talked with Heather and way too long. We text occasionally,
just she is so nice and just so much fun

(54:15):
to talk with and I just love how I can't
say obsessive because that sounds like a bad word, but
just so in depth when it comes to her research,
and I just love how much she loves music and
art and just I subscribe to her newsletter through her Patreon,
and I would highly recommend that everybody do the same.

(54:35):
She is just such a wonderful person and I wish
she wasn't in Arkansas. I almost said Arizona. I wish
he wasn't in Arkansas, because man, I would love to
just hang out with her every week. Mark Bigley Mark
went through some shit last year as well. I believe
it was last year. It's over the last few months

(54:57):
where he fell off a fucking ladder. Luckily, he's doing okay,
seems to be recovering very well. Marcus always so much
fun to talk with. He is so dry when it
comes to his humor, and he comes out with things
that I would not expect to hear coming out of
his mouth, and I just always appreciate him for that,
always enjoy talking about whatever with him. I think we

(55:18):
almost broke him with that Robin Williams series when he
came on and was talking about was Patch Adams. Maybe
he wasn't very happy with that, but no, we get
along great and it's been wonderful doing this whole Chevy
Chase series with him. Not sure if we'll do anything
with that afterwards, if we'll switch gears and maybe do

(55:39):
that Deadney Coleman cast. I have a feeling we won't.
We've been joking around about Dan Ackroyd, but I can't
put myself through that. So definitely check out Wake Up
Heavy and Cambridge and with Sean on the Weirdingly Media
dot com network.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Rob Saint Mary, Rob's over.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Where's he Cat?

Speaker 1 (56:00):
New Mexico?

Speaker 8 (56:00):
Now.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I haven't had a chance to hang out with him
very much at all over the last year. I think
we did dinner before he went out there, and then
maybe once when he came back for just a quick trip.
I always enjoyed talking with Rob. He's just a trip.
I'm hoping that he has another big project that he's

(56:22):
working on. I know he's been doing a lot of
screenplays and I think he's been writing novels. Always curious
to find out what he's working on, because again, very
passionate about things.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
And Colin Gallagher.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I love Colin Gallagher. Yeah, I'm sorry, it's just a
big old love fest for me. He is such a
nice person. Didn't get to see him at Newarkon last year.
Won't be seeing him if he goes to newark On
this year because I frankly just can't afford to fly
out to Palm Springs every year. I'd much rather if
it was over in Philadelphia. Just feels like a much

(56:58):
more noir location. Also honors David Goodis our patron saint,
but yeah, didn't get to see him last year. Hope
to make a trip out to New York City again
one of these days and hang out with them, because
it's just always such a nice time and he's just
the sweetest guy, and again just that laser focus when

(57:19):
it comes to his research and really putting us all
into stuff. Ah, some of the stuff that he's done
around David Goodis has just been tremendous and highly recommend
that you check out some of the books that he's
done recently, and also check out his music Modern Silent Cinema,
really good stuff.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
I don't think a lot of people fully realize the
kind of work that you put into every show. The
managing interviews, managing guests, managing co host recordings, editings, buying
media researching shows what motivates you to continue doing what
you do at the level you do it, Where does
your professionalism come from.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
That's a really good question, because I'm not sure what
motivates me when it comes to this. Every once in
a while, I think, why the hell am I doing this?
Why am I putting so much effort into doing something.
Obviously it's not for the money, it's not for the laurels,
not resting on any laurels around here. I guess it's

(58:19):
just because I have fun doing it. I have a
lot of fun putting together these shows, doing that research,
reaching out to people, trying to put together the best
kind of show that I can. Maybe out of spite,
but I don't think so. I think I just enjoy
having that finished product. When I did Cashews to Cinema,

(58:39):
the magazine or zine, I had those to hold in
my hand. I don't have that material product to hold
in my hand anymore. I just have these zeros and
ones that are kind of floating around out there. And
it's not like I get a lot of feedback for
putting these things out there. I just do it. And

(59:00):
I think a lot of it is making those connections
and talking with people that I want to talk with
and that I just have a lot of fun with
the whole idea of having this rotating group of co hosts.
It's always like putting together kind of a cocktail party
and seeing what happens, seeing what that chemistry is going

(59:21):
to be like pulling people from different walks of life,
from different backgrounds, and the only thing that really unites
us is a love of film. But it's so much
fun when we have those great conversations. And I especially
love when I talk with people that put a new
spin on things, show me things that I haven't been
thinking about. That is a blast for me. As far

(59:45):
as professionalism, I don't know. I guess I still throw
my mind back to the original classes that I took
when I was in high school around journalism and working
on the school paper and just wanting to do the
best that I possibly could. Also, just when I was
in college and even in high school, writing papers and

(01:00:09):
really putting my all into that, trying to dig deep,
trying to say more than is just on the surface.
I used to have a real hard time when I
was in high school and even into college when I
would present arguments, but I wouldn't necessarily tie them all together.
I would present something and I would basically say like,

(01:00:31):
well here's A and here's B. But I would never
say A plus B equals C. And that was what
was missing from my writing. So I really tried to
do that after I graduated and when I started to
write things for myself, and now when it comes to
the podcast, I really want to make those connections a

(01:00:51):
lot more clear. If I can really put out those ideas,
sometimes they may not work. Sometimes I just will float
ideas out there. Every once in a while, I'll catch
myself just saying something kind of I don't know, crazy,
or things that I don't think necessarily makes sense, but
just to get a reaction from my co host, just

(01:01:13):
to see what floats what doesn't. But as far as professionalism,
if you're talking about the show, I mean, I'm always
trying to improve, always trying to make things sound better,
trying to eliminate all those ums and uhs, and really
try to give you a good conversation, good solid conversation,

(01:01:33):
and especially not one where people are talking over each
other and just being a bunch of yahoos like that.
Nobody needs that. Let's make it sound very civil. Let's
try to have a very nice educational conversation where we
can bring up our points and just have a good
time doing it, and hopefully people will be entertained by

(01:01:54):
it as well as maybe learn a thing or two.
Sound like Bill Cosby when I say that, and not
the creepy Bill Cosby, but I'm talking about like the
Cosby Show original Bill Cosby.

Speaker 17 (01:02:04):
This is Bill Cosby coming at you with music and fun,
and if you're not careful, you may learn something before
it's done.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I guess my last question is my quiet. If you
weren't doing podcasting, what would you be doing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I do have a day job, so I would be
doing the day job, and I would probably be doing
more writing. I would probably use some of the time
that I used for podcasting to do more writing. I
don't know who I would be writing for, but I
would definitely be writing for myself. And then maybe I
would try to get further into the field of audio commentaries,

(01:02:49):
because those are a lot of fun when I've done those.
I'm counting hopefully that in seven years I will be
able to retire, hang out with my wife Moore, she
retired earlier this year, maybe actually have some fun, go
on some vacations, those kind of things, but also work
on the podcast a lot more than I already do,

(01:03:11):
because I always feel that I could make it better,
that I could be looking forward even more, and who knows,
just even being the number of episodes that I do,
I don't know. But yeah, I've got the day job
that keeps me very busy. I'm in the car by
seven o'clock every morning, out of the car by six

(01:03:33):
pm every night, and working at a desk from eight
to five ish every single day. So yeah, it's that
keeps me very very busy. What instrument did you play
in band and band? I played the clarinet when I
was younger. When I was about five years old, I

(01:03:54):
think my mom started taking me four piano lessons and
we had an upright piano in our house. So I
played piano, probably not as long as I think I
did five six years something like that, I don't remember
how long, and then in I think it was sixth
grade going into seventh Definitely, by the time I was

(01:04:17):
in seventh grade, I was in band at school and
had a great time. The clarinet is a lot of
fun a lot of boring parts though for the clarinet,
when it came to some of the songs that we
would do, so I'd always enjoy listening to the trumpets
and kind of double their parts on the clarinet, which

(01:04:37):
I probably shouldn't have been doing, but you get bored
a little. So I did have a lot of fun
in well. I had a lot of fun in the
first year of high school being in marching band and
some phonic band, marching during the fall, some phonic during
the winter after football season was over. And had a great,

(01:04:59):
great teacher when I was a freshman. Unfortunately, my school
district was very reliant on a god. This is going
to make me sound like I live in Pittsburgh or something,
but we're very reliant on a steel mill and the
steel mill. Sometimes there would be a millage that would pass,

(01:05:19):
sometimes there wouldn't, and when it kind of depended on
how well the steel mill was doing. And when the
millage didn't pass, that means that we didn't have very
much money for school, so they would cut things out
like band. So they cut that teacher who I liked
so much, put in somebody who came over from the
junior high and he pretty much just wanted to do

(01:05:41):
the same songs every single week at our football games.
Very rudimentary songs for Symphonic Band suffered through him for
a year. They got another band teacher and I just
could not stand to her whatsoever. Again, we were doing
more of a glidestep than our traditional high step that

(01:06:03):
we would do that was very much based on what
U of M would do. And actually, I take it back,
you know what I so I quit band. Where maybe
I got kicked out of band, I think it was
more of a quit, especially when I found out that
that band instructor from when I was a junior blackballed
me from the Honor Society. So I wasn't able to

(01:06:23):
get into that. Me and another kid who cheat hit
on tests. So I guess just being a bad citizen
was enough to get me out, and I guess his
citizenship probably wasn't that great for him either, But so yeah,
two of the kind of people in the top twenty

(01:06:44):
or so of students weren't an Honor Society because we
were bad kids. Just to clarify, the other kid cheated,
I just was an asshole. So I wasn't in band
when I was a senior, and I did do I
think one semester of band when I was in college,

(01:07:05):
but I don't remember us doing any performing at all,
and we're just kind of a smaller group. Had nothing
to do with the marching band. That would have been
kind of a dream to get into that, though, again
a lot of work. Back when I was in a
lot better shape. I could hold up that knee and
hold that clarinet at the same time and just stand

(01:07:26):
there for forever, it felt like, without having to put
down that foot and switch it up to the other
knee and go from there. Yeah, very disciplined in marching band.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
I know you've said that you don't read fast, which
makes me feel great about myself because I'm a very
slow reader. But how do you manage to interview so
many authors and be so fully prepared, because it's clear
you've read their books.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Every night before I go to bed, I try to
read a few pages and try to get really the
gist of everything that's going on. But I will try
to read books as much as I possibly can before
I speak with an author. If there's an audio book,
that makes things a lot easier. Also, if they send
me like a PDF file, that makes things a lot easier.

(01:08:12):
So I'm not holding a book in my hands, I'm
just holding a iPad or whatever makes it a little
simpler when it comes to reading. But yeah, I just
also try to make sure that I'm starting reading things
at the right time and giving myself a few weeks
to read things, just to make sure that I'm not rushing.

(01:08:33):
At the very end, as I am recording this, I'm
about to jump on a call with Barbara Creed, author
of The Monsters Feminine. I read Monsters Feminine, but I
didn't read all of her books, so hopefully she didn't
suddenly change horses mid stream and say, you know what,
I guess I was wrong. Maybe there is an objection,
maybe things are a little bit different. But I really

(01:08:55):
just wanted to talk to her about her and about
her work, and about objection, and about some of the
movies that we have coming up for October. I'm excited
to hear what she has to say about those. But yeah,
mostly it is trying to start reading at the right
time and then trying to be as disciplined as I

(01:09:16):
can to make sure that I read at least a
few pages every night before I go to bed, or
before I switch over and start playing Plants Versus Zombies
two or something.

Speaker 18 (01:09:34):
Hello everyone, this is Marvin McDowell. I just want to
say that this is a request to listeners of the
Projection Booth podcast to become patrons of the show via
Patreon dot com p A T e n dot com

(01:09:54):
slash Projection Booth. That's pretty simple.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
I think you can do that.

Speaker 18 (01:10:00):
It's a great show and Mike he provides hours of
great entertainment. So now it's time to give back my
little drovies. Settle down and take a listen and have
a sip of the old Molocco and then you'll be
ready for a little of the.

Speaker 19 (01:10:15):
Old in out, in out real horror show.

Speaker 15 (01:10:19):
Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
I apologize that this one's already been asked, but every
time you hear the spot with Malcolm McDowell, I'm blown away.
And how did you make that happen? Like, did you
write the script? Did you just ask him? Did you
pay him? Do you have blackmail material on him? How
did that all come together?

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
That was a cameo. I don't remember how much I
paid for him to do the cameo. Kind of the
same thing with Ed Begley Junior. I don't know. You
probably since you are a Patreon you probably saw the
Ed Begley Junior spot ed. Begley Junior refused at first
to do it because he thought he was talking about Patron,

(01:11:02):
uh the liquor, but no, actually he was talking about
Patreon the service. Same thing with Malcolm McDowell also a
cameo with him. I well, actually with both of them,
I just kind of gave them the idea of where
we wanted to go. And with McDowell towards the end
of the little script, because it's a very small amount

(01:11:25):
of words you can put into one of those notes
through cameo, I think I basically made a little tiny
reference to clockwork Orange. I might have used the word drew,
or I might have said something in there like right
right or something like that, and he picked up on
that and made it into a whole thing. And yeah, I'm

(01:11:49):
just super happy that he did that for me, And yeah,
I think it's a great ad. And you know, guys
freaking professional, so I was very happy with the way
that it turned out. So no, didn't actually have very
much personal contact with him and whatsoever. I just basically
asked him to record a spot for me, and that's
what he did. So no dirty pictures of him or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Like that. So, Mike, if you could make a movie,
what kind of movie would you make? And I guess
the follow up is, do you have any screenplays that
you've written that are sitting around collecting dust?

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
I have had a few ideas for a couple of
movies flowing around in my head for a while. I
wrote one out as a short story, and the other
one is just still kind of in my head. I
don't want to talk too much about those because I
would still like to write those one of these days.
But one of them is more of a historical epic

(01:12:47):
about Copernicus, and the other one is more of a
kind of fits into that like paper Moon, Oh Brother, Whereat,
they'll throw back to the thirties depression era kind of things,
maybe based a little bit on our gang Slash the
Little Rascals. Those are just ideas that I've had. And

(01:13:09):
then I mean, if I was given carte blanche and
able to make any type of movie I would want to,
I mean, it would probably be it would probably be
fairly out there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
I would hope.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
I can't even say some of the films that I
would like to emulate, just because they are done so well,
and I don't have the faith in myself as an
artist to say that I would do nearly as well.
You know, there's only one American astronaut. There's only one
Greasy Strangler. You know, there's these movies that you hold
in high esteem and you wish that your stuff could

(01:13:44):
be as good as them. But really not much of
a filmmaker, even when I was younger. Made a few
movies in college, but they're pretty silly. I think the
thing that I still like is doing who do you
think You're fooling? And that was just because I have
so much fun when it comes to editing and the
juxtaposition of images, and really that's what I like so

(01:14:08):
much when it comes to certain films, especially experimental films,
is really good editing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
So it's really clear that you and Elliott Gould have
a very good rapport and he interviews with you very well.
What's holding up the ELI eight Gould book? Do we
need to send Malcolm mcdoll over to twist his arm?

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
I think the thing that's holding me up the most
is just time and spending so much time working on
the podcast, doing the day job. I have done a
lot of research on it. I still have all my
notes from going over to the University of Michigan and
looking at the California Split papers, the well, it's the
Altman collection, So California Split, Mash and the Long Goodbye

(01:14:55):
still have all the materials that I put together. I
still will ask people if they've been in things with
Gold what that experience was like. Still kind of tracking
down some folks when it comes to that. I would
love to just take a week or two and fly
out to Los Angeles and hang out with Elliott and
just ask him a ton of questions, get as much

(01:15:17):
out of him as I possibly could. Though, if you've
listened to some of those interviews, you know that he
is kind of obtuse when it comes to some of
his answers. So I still feel like he's kind of
fucking with me when it comes to some of the
discussions that we've had. I am hoping to have another
interview with him again in twenty twenty six. Really want

(01:15:40):
to do an episode on the film Matilda, kind of
more of the darker days of his nineteen seventies career.
But I really that's the thing is that the nineteen
seventies and him were such an interesting period of time
for me just to see this actor who wasn't a
traditional leading man type and the way that he broke

(01:16:02):
in the way that he was so popular, and just
all the different types of movies he made throughout the
entire decade. I would love to have done that with
Donald Sutherland as well, but yeah, his person was a
real piece of work. Had no idea why I would
have wanted to talk to him about Elliott Gould or

(01:16:24):
some of these movies, having no idea that her client
was in multiple movies with Elliott.

Speaker 13 (01:16:31):
Gould, not just mash.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
So take that as you will.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
So it's clear you've definitely gone past your ten thousand
hours and analyzing films and scripts and stories. And I'm
always impressed the way you and Chris and even Father
Malone can just off the cuff come up with a
suggestion that would make a bad film so much better.
Do you ever have filmmakers come to you and ask

(01:16:56):
you for advice or help analyzing their scripts films in progress?

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
And never had anybody come to me and ask me
to take a look at well, actually I take that back.
I had one friend who asked me to look at
a script years and years ago. I believe it was
about a horror host and the script was great. I
think I gave some feedback. I'm pretty terrible when it
comes to feedback because I remember there was the executive

(01:17:25):
editor of a magazine. Before he started the magazine, he
came to me and said, you know, you've been doing
Cashier's to cinemat for all these years. What advice would
you give to a person who wanted to start a magazine?
And my advice was don't. It's a thankless job. It's expensive,
it's pretty harrowing, there's not a lot of upside to it,

(01:17:47):
a lot of long nights, a lot of worry about things,
the distribution of things. And then of course he turned
around and did a magazine and it's actually still going today,
so fuck me right. So I feel like he probably
thinks I'm the biggest dumbass in the world, which I
will not deny. As far as looking at films and progress,
I have given notes on mostly documentaries things that friends

(01:18:12):
have made, But a lot of times no, I would say,
there are a lot of things where I'm like, oh,
you know, I would love to give you some feedback
about this or take a look at it. No, No,
people don't ask me for advice, so I think my
track record of giving bad advice must precede me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Okay, last question, it's kind of an important one. Did
Joshthan Kaplan actually ever send you that truck turner blu ray?

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Yes, you're making a reference to when Jonathan Kaplan passed
away recently, and I said that I never spoke with him, well,
never had an interview with him. I exchanged some emails
with him, really wanted him to be on the show,
really wanted to talk with him around over the edge.

(01:19:00):
I would have loved to have talked to him about
truck turner. And he did say, you know, give me
your address, I'll send you a blu ray of truck turner.
I don't know why. He must have just had a
big old stash or something, because it was just kind
of an odd thing to volunteer. So I gave him
my address, and sure enough, he sent me a blu

(01:19:20):
ray of truck turner. I don't even know if he
signed it, but yeah, it was a nice gesture, and
I really wish that he would have been able to
take the time to talk with me about stuff, but
you know, it was his choice and that's the way
that things go. So I know some people don't like
to revisit the past, which is very bad for me

(01:19:41):
and what I like to do.

Speaker 13 (01:19:43):
Solid podcast with great deep dive reporting, although definitely not
for beginners. Deducting one staff for completely missing the historical
background behind nineteen eighty four and going straight for trite
modern political comparison instead.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Ben Buckingham asks, when do we get a projection booth calendar?
As far as a projection booth calendar, I tried that once,
but me and a fireman's outfit with no shirt on,
just the suspenders. That was too much. It melted the
lens of the camera. It was just too hot. So

(01:20:20):
probably no projection booth calendar coming out anytime soon, if
I suppose now, because I don't make anything. You know,
it's not like I draw, It's not like I have
any sort of visual skills whatsoever. I would just be
lifting images from other movies or things, or maybe four

(01:20:41):
months off. It could be some of the logos that
we've had over the years, But probably no projection booth
calendar anytime soon. Instead, Yah, I recommend the Jeopardy Page
a day calendar, which is what I have on my
desk at work, gets me entertained and makes me feel
superior to everyone.

Speaker 9 (01:21:00):
Robert Mains asks what is left for you to do
to get the two thousand and one episode out the door?

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
So with the two thousand and one episode, I have
been working with an editor over in Poland for the
last let's see it is coming up on October. I've
been working with him for well, We've been working together
on different things for a few years. He posted originally
on Reddit and was asking about editing people's podcast episodes,

(01:21:30):
and I said, well, if you want that, and I've
done this before with other people where they will say, oh,
I want to learn more about editing, I will edit
your episode for free. And I go, okay, I'm not
counting on you to actually do this or anything, but
here's a folder with all of these files go nuts,
and I just will share out like a dropbox folder
and say, here you go, here's my deadline. Good luck.

(01:21:54):
And I would say, if I've done it ten times,
nine people have failed. One person has actually come through
and edited stuff for me. He actually has edited a
few episodes. It's been a long time since he's done
one of those for me. I can't even remember the
last time, but either he reached out to me or

(01:22:15):
I reached out to him and I said, hey, listen,
I have got so much material and this is not
generated fully by me. This I would say, maybe I've
done a tenth of this work and the other ninety
percent is all coming from Mondo Justin. And I said,
I've got so much material around this two thousand and
one episode, I would love for you to edit that

(01:22:38):
for me, and we agreed to a price, and ever
since then, he's been doing gosh, I don't even know
how many hours of editing every single month, and then
throwing files into my dropbox for me, penging me saying okay,
I've done this much, I need this much money. So
every month I've been paying him regularly, so I think

(01:23:02):
I've gotten until the end of the year before he
thinks he'll be done with that stuff, and then it's
up to me to piece all of these things together.
I mean, the interview with Gary Lockwood that Mondo Justin did,
that was a two parter and I think the final
total was five hours. Though that's not all two thousand

(01:23:23):
and one stuff. There's maybe I don't know. I'm going
to guess an hour of two thousand and one. Gary
Lockwood was very loquacious when it came to that interview,
and I did listen to it all I've listened to
I think all of these interviews, threw them onto my
phone and listened to them in the car on the
way back and forth to work. And it was just
way too much that way for me to say, Okay,

(01:23:46):
at one hour, fifteen minutes, there's a good bit here,
at two hours thirty minutes, there's a good but here.
So I have been working with this editor to say, okay,
whenever there's a discussion of two thousand and one, pull
that out, label it as what it is in reference to,
and then I will start to pull all those things together.

(01:24:08):
I mean, this episode, when it finally comes out, is
going to be a monster. It's kind of like the
Psycho Pike episode, which is also going to be pretty monstrous.
No one's asking for a Psycho Pike episode, but I'm
doing it anyway. Kind of the same thing with the
two thousand and one episode. I mean, who needs to
hear more about two thousand and one? But hopefully it'll

(01:24:29):
be entertaining for folks, And again, possibly educational.

Speaker 12 (01:24:34):
I love this film, but it's ruined when a bunch
of useless, worthless leftists are whining about how easy it
is to get guns in America. I used to like
all the research that went into PB episodes. Clearly you
are part of the problem. Brace yourself. It's going to
a whole lot worse for you leftists.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
And now it is time for everyone's favorite part of
every ego fest, which is where I just go through
and read the names of people who are currently giving
to the Patreon. I always appreciate that, so I always
want to give folks a shout out. You know, I
don't do the whole thanks to my Patreon supporters. I
should probably do thanks to the new people every single

(01:25:16):
time I do an episode, but I am terrible at
remembering to do that. So instead, I'm going to sit
here and I'm going to read one hundred and twenty
eight names of people. So get ready, in the words
of Richard HadAM, here we go. First up, Kyler Faye,

(01:25:50):
Jordan Nash, Andrew Hendrickson, James Brummel. It's either Quixote or
Keyshotte Dallas Novell, Bryan Tessitore, John Adam Andre Edou, Radio
eight Ball, Jessica Shires, Peter Rogers, pat Radkey, r E Jasso,

(01:26:19):
Charles Evans Junior. Also a great interview that I had
this year.

Speaker 20 (01:26:24):
R W.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Lovejoy, Bjorn Honnor, Jim Lakowski, Victor Laval, Stewart, Rankin Winter, Tyson,
Ellis Kish, Vincenzo Natali, John Jenks, Journey Eman, Estee Podcast,

(01:26:44):
Stephen Byrne, James Grant, Daniel Davis, Alan Goldhammer, Mondo Guano,
Dylan Harrington, Kevin Matthews, Yoshi Logano, Butterball eight, Vaughn Howard A. Rodman,

(01:27:06):
Charlie Bonomo, Bobby Power, David Hines, David Springfield, Chris Martz,
Drew A. Yavor, Jonathan Melville, Paul Ryan, Tino Wicklan, Thiago Barbosa,
De Miranda, Jim Stevens, Dylan Davis, Collen Gallagher, Nico Schmidt,

(01:27:32):
isal Azam Quersci, Drew Bateman, Gabe Weissert, Nathan Linker, Jason Jeffers,
Gabe Kaplan, Ludo Round, Richard Wellens, Noel Thingball, Douglas Stewart,

(01:27:54):
Sam Degan, Sean Midas, David McCallum, Geez Andrew, Ian Brownell,
Jim Haniel Barbosa, Chris Martin, Michael Harris, Gabrielle Wheeler, George Smith,

(01:28:15):
Regurgitated Guts, Neil Daniel, Gary Jaffey, Joshua Baugash, could be Boat,
gay Gie Lb, Michael Marks, Tickles, the Lish, Ramsey, Ebed,
Bill Ackerman, Eric Luther, David Hart, k l Young, Unkie

(01:28:40):
d Seven Rufus, Heather Draine, Justin Whiteman, j A. Daniel Cunningham,
Casey Campbell, Craig Russell, Aggie Nope, Alex Manzanowitz, b R. Bickford,
Michael Jico, Joe Rucard, Henry Cooper, Glenn Brynn, Skiz, Sizzick, Boots, Century, Sir,

(01:29:10):
Alvin Akarma, Michael O'Connor, Shane Hamilton, Eric Highgraf, Andreas Muller,
Mark Mcleegat, Morris, Darren Williams, aod O Mahoney, Kai Clear,

(01:29:31):
Brian Daniel Dahl, William Boodle, Ale Sair Montgomery, Jason Kaufman,
David Bertrand, Hugh Bouchard, Paul Sibson, Shandon Baht, Susan White, Lutz, Backer,
Monica Sheets, the ex Cast, Patrick Lohmeyer, Martin Johansson or

(01:29:57):
Johansson Wake Up Heavy, and Gray Cat. Thank you to
all of you for giving your hard earned money to
the projection booth every month. I cannot thank you enough
for participating and just really helping make the show go. Obviously,
things are not getting cheaper these days, so I totally

(01:30:20):
understand that it's tough to make ends meet for everybody.

Speaker 14 (01:30:25):
One of the oldest movie podcasts and still one of
the best. Really appreciate the variety of subjects they cover.
Has exposed me to films that I sometimes didn't know existed.
Always germane and erudite guests. The recent discussion on the
state of podcasting and the new documentary age of audio
covering it was fascinating to listen to. I'm a big

(01:30:46):
supporter of Mike White's side projects as well, over seven
hundred and fifty episodes in a remarkable achievement.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
One thing that should help is that I dislike the
stat that we're getting from our podcast company. So I
ended up firing the person that provided the stats. Then
I'm going to hire a new person that only gives
me good statistics. I figure, if it's good enough for
the federal government, it's good enough for me, so might

(01:31:16):
as well work in that way of just getting good numbers.
Maybe that'll bump the advertising. Speaking of advertising, I did
want to shout out Scarecrow Video dot Com for becoming
a sponsor of the Projection booth. That has been very helpful.
Hopefully folks don't mind those intros at the beginning, in

(01:31:38):
the middle, and then at the end of our shows
as we tout scarecrows rent by mail service. It's almost
like another service that used to exist that didn't cost
nearly as much as it does now and that only
deals in streaming. Ah Man, I love physical media and

(01:32:02):
I'm glad that Scarecrow is still supporting it, and I'm
so glad that so many companies are supporting it. I
just wish it was a little easier to know what
stuff is coming out when I still am using Diabolic
DVD for that as well as DVD Beaver. I hope
everybody within the sound of my voice is familiar with

(01:32:24):
both of those sites. And then as far as what
is streaming, where I've been using one called just Watch,
which is just frustrating sometimes to see how little things
that you actually want to see are streaming any place,
or especially streaming without having to pay for stuff you know,

(01:32:45):
Oh yeah, if you want to see this movie, pay
us another five dollars you're already paying for Amazon Netflix.
I found out last night that HBO Max is starting
to come down on password sharing, so there goes my
access to that. But at least there's things still like
Canopy and Overdrive and some of these other systems that

(01:33:09):
will help when you have library cards. So if you
don't have a library card and then you're in the US,
highly recommend getting one of those, as long as Brad
Pitt and Morgan Freeman don't come along and look at
your view history, because that could be embarrassing.

Speaker 18 (01:33:26):
Just because if the fucker's got a library card doesn't
make him Yoda.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
Speaking of, if people want to see what I'm watching,
feel free to follow me over on Letterbox. I try
to post everything that I'm watching over there. Though sometimes
people think that the movies I'm watching are always for
a show. They're not always necessarily for a show. Sometimes
most of the time they are, But there's some stuff

(01:33:49):
that I watch which will definitely never be part of
a show. I'm thinking of the movie I watched last
night called Primitive War. Holy Shit.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
That was.

Speaker 19 (01:34:01):
Another good podcast Ruined by politics, taking shots at Trumpers
and red hats for no reason except it's the thing
to do. Mike can't seem to help himself. Lord knows.
No one will comment on the current administration. Don't know
why it's so tough for film podcasts to not get political.

Speaker 20 (01:35:06):
I got the blue, but I don't bad. All I
have to do is get to give, and then I
feel just bad. I'm gonna die, but.

Speaker 21 (01:35:20):
Not all the way.

Speaker 22 (01:35:22):
When I feel that long, you do you think outside
of that? I feel long gay yourself. The whey you get,
you're the best the rig I got, just got it

(01:35:55):
up so bad when I think of me, it's.

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Hard to be a person.

Speaker 20 (01:36:00):
By Josea, she got the.

Speaker 22 (01:36:04):
Answer and it makes the lad When I feel lets down,
you're giving rocking rocks, but let I.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Feel laid back.

Speaker 8 (01:36:14):
Your soul.

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Where you get the present rid stop easy step step.

Speaker 11 (01:37:30):
Sneak, stick step steak.

Speaker 23 (01:37:48):
Just as slave.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
But man.

Speaker 23 (01:38:36):
Shot shot shot.

Speaker 8 (01:39:00):
Generals w.

Speaker 23 (01:40:04):
Stott, change, change, freakin.

Speaker 24 (01:41:01):
Stooks that not.

Speaker 17 (01:41:56):
The son shack fevere you you the son of shape Breywhere.

Speaker 23 (01:42:41):
What you did?

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The son shak god weekend the fast.

Speaker 11 (01:43:13):
Sever you.

Speaker 24 (01:43:44):
Follow ships understand also.

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Show the sash.

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So bouch the cost of foots all shake the shape

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faster when the shi to the break

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