Special Report: Fantastic Four: First Steps (2025)

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Welcome to a special crossover episode between the Projection Booth,
the Culture Cast, and Midnight Viewing. I'm your host. Mike
White Jovini once again is the host of the Culture Cast.
Mister Chris Stashue.

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Also, all the way from Midnight Viewing is Father Malone.

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This episode, we are looking at the twenty twenty five
film Fantastic four First Steps, which is actually the fifth
ree tread in this franchise where we're looking at for
superpowered beings who protect the Earth or Earth A two eight,
this time from Galactus, who is not a big gas cloud.
That's good. There's not a lot of origin story, but

(03:47):
it's more of a look at the fourth year going
into the fifth year of the team's existence. And we
will be spoiling this discussion like crazy. So if you
haven't seen Fantastic four First Steps, haven't watched the bootleg
that floating around out there with the French subtitles, turn
off the podcast, come back after you've gone to see
the movie. I know it's not like that exists. Chris

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what's your history of Fantastic Four. I'm very curious about that.
We've talked about that on the Superman episode, so a
couple weeks later, what's your history with Fantastic Four?

Speaker 1 (04:16):
So The Thing is one of my favorite superhero characters period,
just something about him, and like the portrayal in the
comic books, I really enjoy the portrayal in the movies.
I think has been more spot on in most of them,
at least in those Yowen Grufford, Chris Evans, Jessica Alba
Fantastic Four movies which I saw. I have seen every
Fantastic Four movie that has been released in theaters, including

(04:40):
Fan for Stick, which not many people saw that shit
in theaters. There was a reason for that I saw
in theaters. You're a masochist. That's the word I would use.
And this is one other thing. And Father Malone I
think mentioned this when we were recording Maybe or Off podcast.
Not only is the Thing one of my favorite superhero characters,
Read Richards as the Maker is my favorite comic book

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villain I think period. In terms of Marvel. It's literally
what if Reid Richards was just like, I'm the universe
of smartest man, and I could do whatever the fuck
I want, And he's just like practicing genocide. And he
becomes so smart and gets so much knowledge into his
head that his brain and skull essentially become like an
ancient alien skull. His head head becomes like conical, his
brain grows so much.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Let's not forget during Civil War whose side he was on.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
I think, if you're gonna do a Fantastic Four movie,
this is the right place to start. However, and I'm
saying that in terms of the setting, I think, in
a lot of ways, this is marvel going. Man, wouldn't
it have been nice if we had done a period
piece with the Fantastic Four in two thousand and nine
or ten. I liked the setting. I liked the world

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that this movie took place in. However, this movie was
an hour and fifty five minutes, and there are parts
of this movie that drug and the plot of the
movie and the way that the conflict resolves, and a
lot of the Deus X teleporter bridges is just there's

(06:10):
some stuff that doesn't seem as well integrated into the
story as I was hoping they would be. And there
are parts of this that I'm like, I'm glad that
we're doing this version of the characters, and there are
other things where I'm like, I'm a little disappointed that
we're doing these versions of the characters. And by the
end of the movie, once we see where they end
up going with everything, I think I'm hopeful for where

(06:33):
the second or third steps go. If that's in fact
what the movies are beyond this one. Who knows if
they keep the Spider Man naming conventions. And I know
John Watts was originally going to direct these movies, so
I wonder if there is going to be a little
bit of the Spider Man naming conventions. But all that
to say, I think for the most part it's one
of the better Marvel movies we've had in a while.

(06:55):
It shows a lot of reserve where other Marvel movies
of its similar ilk have not, including something as recently
as Thunderbolts. But I think at times it may plays
it a tad too safe. Look, it's twenty twenty five.
We know where the MCU is effectively headed. In the
next couple of years. We're almost at year twenty of this.
I'm assuming by year twenty of this we will have

(07:16):
a whole new thing with all new people, which is
what they've talked about and they've alluded to. And now
seeing that thing at the end of the movie is
just like it sets in. Oh my god, we're like
right back here in like twenty and eighteen nineteen again effectively.
So I enjoyed it. But I think there's plenty for
us to talk about in terms of the shortcomings of

(07:36):
the movie. But I think overall, best Marvel movie in
a while. Yeah, best Marvel movie in the last five years. Yeah,
I don't know about that. There have been a lot
of decent Marvel movies, if not great Marvel movies that
have come out in the last five years. But in
terms of this, to answer the initial question, Mike, in
terms of doing a Fantastic four thing and my history
with it, this is the best Fantastic four movie I've

(07:58):
ever seen in theaters. So that's a distinction that it
has over the other three times I've been in a
theater watching these same characters do similar things.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
And Father malonew about yourself.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Growing up in the seventies, I read a lot of
Marvel as a kid up until about teenage of them
when I decided that horror comics were the way to go,
and I didn't have any fealty to any comic book
company after that, but definitely Marvel as a young kid
and Fantastic for us made for children almost and when
I was reading comics in the seventies, I was effectively

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just reading the original run from the sixties, So it
was all of this kind of material that ends up
in this movie, which is bright and shiny and cosmic. Now,
I never really had much use for the Fantastic Four.
I always loved their peripheral characters. I think they have
some of the best villains in Marvel. One of them

(08:53):
is on display here for the first time Moleman On
who I just I love as a character Harvey Elder.
But more than that is Galactis. But more than Galactis
is the character noorin Rad, the Silver Surfer, who is
one of my maybe top five Marvel characters of all time.
Just the existentialness of that character, the dilemma that he
finds himself in, which is fully on display here, which

(09:15):
I really appreciated. The first Fantastic Four movie I saw
was in ninety seven, when I got a bootleg of
the Corman produced flick, which we just reviewed over on
my show just a few days ago. And then obviously
Yowen Griffiths. That's how you pronounced that it's Welsh friend Griffiths.
Those two movies, those were garbage. Even worse than that

(09:36):
was the Josh Strank thing. Who on fucking planet are thinks?
A dark and twisted version of the Fantastic for his
Way to Go? It is literally the shiniest and brightest
of the Marvel titles. I had no expectations for this movie.
All the trailers I saw I did not respond to
at all. I didn't quite understand the Paeder Pascal casting,

(09:58):
and the rest of the cast seem good to me, nevertheless,
so my expectations were zero. This to me was one
of the best superhero movies I've ever seen, honestly, not
only the best film from Marvel since Endgame, but one
of the best overall. Whatever praise I heaped upon Superman
for making a cinematic comic book, this one puts that

(10:22):
to shame. This is a fully realized world, with all
of the pieces fitting together very subtly. In some places.
When we're talking about tell us some of the dark side,
we alway talk about the economy of those scripts. You
said it, Chris, this movie is two hours. This movie
it moves so fast.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
One hour and fifty five minutes. Dude, it's wild. It's
a less than two hour Marvel movie in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
This movie starts four years in, catches up fucking immediately
to where we are, and gives us an incredible fucking
dilemma and actually pulling off the fucking impossible in that
it made Sue Storm one of the most powerful and
interesting characters, whereas she has always been the most underwritten
and boring Marvel characters. I loved the movie. I actually

(11:06):
seen it twice. I saw it last night and this
morning I went and saw it again.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
But did you buy the eighty dollars popcorn book?

Speaker 4 (11:13):
One for display, one for eating.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Large, if not oversized, comical portions of cereal out of.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
No just for eating all of the popcorn on planet
Earth in one sitting.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
I hunger.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
What about you, Mike White? What's your experience in history
with the fan four sticks?

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Fantastic four might have been one of the first comics
that I read. I remember specifically, my folks had a
rental property and they were doing a lot of fixing
it up before we could have renterists move in. I
remember sitting around and reading an issue of The Fantastic Four,
and I swear it was right around the time of

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the Iran hostage crisis, because I remember there was a
parody song of Barbaran the Old Surfs Bomb Iran, Bomb Iran, Yes,
and that was playing on Dick Purtin and I was
listening to that and reading this comic book. So very
strange memory of that, but yeah, they were some of
the first folks that I read as far as comic superheroes,

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and like you said, fout them alone, they're perfect for kids.
And it's just this kind of candy colored world that
they lived in, at least back in the sixties. And
I love this retrofuturism vibe that they have with this
where things are analogue but they really shouldn't be. Things

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like Herbie with the tape deck in his head and
how he's got different programs on tapes and everything. And
when you see the Fantastic Car zooming through the city,
you get to see like a robot dog walker or
these little tiny cars that they have, and I'm just like,
I love this world. I really like this Earth A
two eight that they have, where it feels like because

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of the Fantastic Four coming to be, or maybe just
because of the way that the world played out, things
are running differently, and we don't have transistors, we don't
have the smaller technology. We still are using blackboards and
things that are very analogue, and I really like that.
I like the look of this and that kind it

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is so different thinking about that Josh Trenk version where
so much of it just took place in a fucking
warehouse and it was just dark all the time, and
this we're out in the daylight. Even the stuff with
Harvey Mouleman is pretty bright once we get down into
the subterranean world that he goes in. There's some light
in there. It's not just dark the entire time. And

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then having Paul Walter, how oh, he is so great,
so much, he is so good.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Don't be mad at me, Johnny, I didn't dress you.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
It was so nice having more Sue Storm in here,
because I really feel like, at least those Tim Story
movies were so much about Johnny and the Thing, and
we've got a pretty good amount of the thing, and
here it's tough. You've got four very strong characters and

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you're trying to balance all of them, and I think
they do a good job.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
I really.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
If anything, I think read Richards might be a little
bit opaque as far as his motivations and things, but
I think that works well with him. It's almost like
he's on the spectrum or something, and I'm really okay
with that. And I'll tell you I just before we
started recording, just realized that Johnny Storm is Eddie from
Stranger Things. I could not put my finger on where

(14:42):
I knew him from. Really don't get a good beat
on Johnny Storm in this one other than he's a
pretty smart guy, but he hasn't given the credit that
he's due, and that he actually figures out that whole
alien language. I'm pretty happy about that. I thought that
was pretty great.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
He is an eighty from Chris Johnny's the good one.
That's perfectly fine, though, because again when people get bent
out of shape about portrayals in the movies, my response
tends to be, at this point in my life, if
you've read comic books at any point, there's no one
there are singular standard bearers of the characters. If we're
talking about like the singular Earth of the comic books

(15:18):
in the Marvel comics, because like in the Marvel movies,
there is one more or less decided upon Earth that most,
if not a lot, of the things take place on.
But there's plenty of variations on this character. Joseph Quinn's
character is very different in a I would say an
updated way, because I'm not sure that kind of character
would really fly. I think he'd be way too easy

(15:41):
to write in a way that the audience wouldn't want
anything to do with him, and they'd be put off
by him.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
The Johnny Storm, the Chris Evans Johnny Storm was insufferable,
but it was Chris Evans, so we put up with it.
If you continued that character with anyone else, you would
want to murder him basically.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
And look at what happened to his character in What
Wolver in a Deadpool? I mean perfect if they traded
in that. They made it a point to be like, yeah,
this guy's kind of a fucking turd too, But again,
like it works for that movie's benefit. Here it's this
is a softer, more gentle Marvel for a gentler time.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
I like this portrayal of Johnny Storm because he's always
portrayed as the hot head showboat of the four, but
you know, ultimately what he represents is the sort of
teenager of the family, and there are other aspects to him.
I loved that he figures out the translation of the

(16:35):
Zenla language in this. At the same time, he is
really annoying, you know what I mean. It's played for
laps and everything, but if you were living with that guy,
you would want to punch him all the time.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Well, I'm just glad that the thing isn't such a
sad suck, like, oh my god, look at me, read
look at me. I'm so ugly. Oh god. And the
only person that thinks I'm cute is a blind lady.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
Oh god.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
There's no way a woman would find this man attractive.
Fuck you, he would, she wouldn't. He's literally a superhero.
Bozo's like, it's self explanatory. You're gonna tell me it's
because Natasha Leone has a really deep voice. That's why
it's actually the other way around, Ben Grimm When she
opens her mouth.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Because I don't want to hear that she's so cute.
She rained in all her regular Natasha Leone here. It's
not the sort of broad from Brooklyn. It's a different character,
my god got.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
They got Natasha Leone to play less to type than
she normally does, let's put it that way.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
And I love that he's like the one of the
few that I know of Jewish superheroes, and that he's
very proud of his heritage, the whole thing of growing
up on Yancey Street. But it's not like they're overplaying
that either. It's not like he's, oh, I remember when
I was growing up. It's instead of yeah, I grew
up over there. Nice small thing. And to give him
the little taste of he's a really good cook and

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that's his science. I think can figure out the languages,
and Red can do all of these calculations. But here's
been in the kitchen cooking.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
With Herbie and he's a fucking hell of a pilot.
What you're talking about, how he's always been portrayed before
is the sad, sack lonely guy who's just loveluren. We
get that in one scene. Speaking of the economy of
the script, it's him watching himself on television and seeing
what he used to look like. And they just cut
to and what's amazing to me in this was it's
a shot of a CGI face in a reflection of

(18:27):
a window with a television on it, and you can
see all the emotion. You see how sad he is
about this, because that's when he looks over at Natasha
Leona decides to walk away. I got all of that,
didn't need him crying about it for scene after scene, I.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Think, and this is again me just speaking broadly because
in the cases of something like Fantastic Four or Superman
or Spider Man or Batman, we have had so many
retreads of this that we can go they did it better,
and they didn't have to do it, and I don't
feel obligated. Fantastic Four once again proves that the audience
at this point, mind you, maybe not fifteen twenty years ago,

(19:05):
and I understand why they have now proved. I think
once again the audience are not fucking stupid. The audience
knows the audience can do a little legwork on their own.
And even if we don't have forty five minutes of
the movie for setup of the origin story, which it's
there is like a fair amount of setup in this movie,
but it's not origin story setup at least not of

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a certain kind. It's an orgin story of a different kind.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Frankly, they give us that fucking like little documentary at
the beginning. It's so fucking.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Brilliant in this day and age, It's like, instead of
showing us the whole damn thing, just give it the
both points, give us the cliff Notes version for fuck's sake,
and it works just as well, because once again, if
you're able to do it economically, get away with it.
Spider Man did it rather well. Superman did it rather well.
This did it rather well. They aw trafficked in the
same thing, like the backstories just peppered in throughout the movie,

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and so it works better and doesn't feel so stilted
in terms of the flow.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
You know, I think did it the best and kind
of started to off this idea of we don't have
to show everything. Is that Edward Norton Hulk where it
was just like the opening credits, We're going to show
you the whole thing very quickly, and then we carry
on with the movie. We don't have to do the
origin story every frickin' time. How many times do we

(20:17):
have to see Peter Parker get bit by a radio
active spider. I'm glad that those home movies that they
had just went away from all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
How many times have we been to fucking crime Alley,
for God's sake? And what I liked about this opening
and that little documentary where they give us the origin
without giving us the origin, is that at no point
do we get to go out into space and see
the cosmic rays hit them and watch this and that happit. Instead,
we watched them take off and then we see a
ship crash and then the Thing's hand punch its way

(20:48):
out of the craft. That's all we needed for the
origin there. The other thing I loved about the opening is,
like you said, it's bullet points. We get like the
greatest hits of what they've been doing for the past
four years, like the inter missions where the Thing is
hauling a burning tanker by its anchor chain into a harbor,
and then Johnny Storm is putting out fire at an

(21:09):
electrical plant, And all I could think was, like, any
one of these sequences would be the giant sent piece
on any of the other Fantastic Four movies up until here,
and they're just like burning through of them. At the
beginning The other thing I noticed in the power plant
sequence when there's a crew on the ground who salute him,
thanks Johnny Storm. The two guys in front, the one

(21:29):
saluting him and the one standing next to him, that's
Jay Underwood and the fellow who played the thing in
the nineteen ninety four version, and then Alex Hyde White
and I think Jessica Stop I think her name was.
Those two are reporters later in the movie. So that
was a cool thing that they didn't need to do,
and they fucking did. It made me very happy. I
just watched the other one the other day, so it
was a little obvious to me.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Michael Bailey Smith played Ben Grimm, and I only know
that because he was the guy who played gigantic Freddy
Krueger in Elm Street five, remember when it's roided out
Freddy Krueger. So and look, I'm a little biased because
I do like even Moss Backrack in other things. Obviously,
to bear and the cooking thing with me was like, okay,
like you're trafficking in a little bit of what he's

(22:12):
really known for now. But he's really good as the thing.
But I think to the point that's already been made
I think Vanessa Kirby walks away with this movie and
she's amazing. I like that again as someone who's a
fan of the comic books and the more recent stuff,
definitely like the character of Malice is something that is
a big part of her character, especially in the comic books,

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and I know that she is has made it clear
that that is something that she wanted to bring to
the character. And as someone who again is a fan
of that character in the comics, it's a pipe dream
to think that we'll ever get that in the movies.
But at least she acknowledges and understands that's an aspect
of a character that isn't just its own separate thing.

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And she's trafficking that because she doesn't really take anybody
shit in this movie, which I appreciate. She has a
lot of agency every one. She is the founder of
the Future Foundation, which is like so important in my mind.
He negotiated the treaty with the moment exactly. She has
given so much agents.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
I don't trust anyone up above ground except for Sue exactly.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Everybody has to clear the room before he'll even have
a conversation. I love it, and it's not one of
those I think you're cute, Sue, so I'm going to
talk with you, because we've seen that in other movies
before too, where it's just the other guys. Is a
horn dog for the hot superheroines. And they don't strip
her down to her bra and underwear in this movie,
either just to show us that she's sexy she or

(23:36):
just fully naked, like oh no, yeah, covering the bits. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:41):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
The movie opens with Sue storm and read Richard's having
just like a genuine conversation and just the two of
them talking about life, and there's this kind of pretext
of the moment before she tells she's pregnant. But what
a refreshing change from pretty much everything Marvel has been
doing up until this point.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
For a fantastic for me. We finally have characters that
are seem to genuinely like each other and feel like
a relationships yeah, and feel like a family, And then
I'm completely invested in. They seem to have skipped all
of the origin story bullshit, and this actually does feel
lived in, which is so important.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Now they have to be a family, they have to
be a unit because they're put into jeopardy with this
whole thing of Galactus wanting that baby, and if they
weren't a tight family unit, there'll be fricks among them.
And as far as I saw in the movie, there's
nobody casting doubt other than Reid Richards because, like I said,

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he's this fucking mad genius where it's just the needs
of the many outweigh the needs of the view kind
of thing. And I'm just like, Okay, Spock, Yeah, gotcha.
But he's not going to give up his child either.
They have to be that tight unit. If it was
fucking hot head Chris Evans or Michael Chickliss or oh god,
any of the Miles Teller like it, I wouldn't believe
that they're Michael B. Jordan, Michael B.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Jesus Christ. What a nice time that Michael B. Jordan
has had getting far away from that, because man to
be kill Monger to be brought back in that second
Black Panther movie, because you were so good in the
first one, they brought you back in the second one.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Kill Manger is one of the best characters that they've had,
one of the best villains that the Marvel Universes ever had.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, it's a shame that he dies.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Well, this is the character that even Ben Backrack has
played in Marvel that's been really good. He was micro
on the Punisher series.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Oh that's right, Yeah, he as the thing plays the character.
In my mind, it's really understated, but I think it
needs to be because I almost feel like everybody gets
out of the way of Vanessa Kirby. But I think
that's important because it's so clear given that, again, it's
the plot of the movie is not made apparent in
the previews, but once the movie gets rolling, it really is.

(25:54):
Galactus sees Franklin Richards the son of Sue and read
as his replacement, which I mean in the comic books,
he is a cosmic being. It is made very clear
that in this MCU they're going in some direction similar
to the way he's been portrayed before, but there's none
of that in the trailers. And so when you find

(26:15):
out that it's Galactus wanting the child and all of that,
I don't know. I think to both of your points,
it had to almost be Sustorm's movie because it's so
focused on the child and the fact that they're all family,
and believable family is the reason this works. Like you said,
father and Malone. They have to be a family unit
of people otherwise this movie fails like two seconds out

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of the gate.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
This whole movie is but defending your children. It very
much reminded me of if anyone watched the television series
torch Wood, which is a spinoff series of Doctor Who.
Their third season was a five episode arc called Children
of Earth where an alien intelligence shows up and secretly
amongst the government demands ten percent of the children of

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Earth they're going to use for whatever purposes they're going to.
What they believe is they boil them down for recreational
chemicals basically, or they destroy everyone on Earth. And it
is harrowing and awful and left me dazed that series.
So the fact that they kind of sneak it into
this light entertainment here, this threat of we're going to

(27:18):
destroy your world unless you give us that kid, and
they deal with it because the people on Earth are
fucking angry about it, like maybe you should give them
their kids. We'd like to live. It's one child burst.
It is the needs of the many versus the needs
of the one, and is the.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
First time seemingly anyone on this planet has had an
issue with the Fantastic Four.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
They all love them, and it's so important that we
set up that montage at the beginning with everyone, thank
you Fantastic for and those little dots creating the Big
Four for that television special.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Everyone has a little flag yeah, or that little that
obnoxious guys sit in the line.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
I'm like, yeah, this is nice. I like that there's
a difference between cartoon Fantastic four and real life Fantastic four.
And Ben's just no, that's not what I say.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
I mentioned my favorite character that appears in this thing.
It's the Silver Surfer. And because this is Earth eight
one eight, we're in a different universe. What we're given
is Sheella Ball, who is a noorin Rad's wife on
zen So in the original conception of the character, and
we got a version of it in that Rise of
the Silver Surfer movie with Doug Jones playing the character

(28:22):
with Laurence Fishburne doing the voice well noorin Rad. The
plot is that Galactus shows up to his planet says
I'm going to eat your planet unless you become my herald,
and he says, okay, I'll do it and leaves his
wife and child and Zena's end up being safe. So
they've just flopped that here and made his wife the
character who is now the Herald of Galactus, and they

(28:43):
eliminate noorin Rad from the plot here. So this is
a fully different universe of the Silver Surfer. But I
got to say, twenty minutes into this movie, the Silver
Surfer shows up and if her opening shot, it was
fucking breathtaking. The realization of this character, like compared to
that earlier version of it, or any of the earlier
tests of any sort of chrome character I've ever seen,

(29:05):
just like this is breath taking, and not only just
that sort of opening scene, but like we get cosmic
surfing in this movie that I oh my god, thank god, man,
I heard it. I left my body man when she
was they're in that nebula and she's like surfing along.
Oh boy, I.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Never in a million years would have thought they would
actually show that. Feels so weird in the MCU now
to be seeing things that she's a Silver Surfer and
she's not just called that she has a surfboard, not
just for a reason like she does it because there
are times where she has to do that, Like it's
just it is a form of conveyance.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
But if she's on that board, you're fucked man.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
And I love the mirroring of the scene of her
coming to Earth and warning us versus later on when
they've got all of the voice recordings from her home planet.
I love that both of those who are taking place
in that Times Square area, which is where the whole
end of the movie happens and everything. I thought that
was really nice, just very smart filmmaking. And of course

(30:07):
there are nods to other things that we've seen. I
love the little thing with the Latveria plaque but nobody's there,
like that country's missing from the Big Foundation, or that
they called the Shifty Excelsior. I'm just like, oh, yeah,
that's great. That's how stan Lee used to sign off
every like stand soapbox and everything.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Eggs ou Oh someday I'll find out what that means.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
I thought that was so nice that they weren't just
like hammering us with stuff and just giving us enough
of those little fan moments like that they have the
mole Man, but they actually bring him back into the
movie later on. I was like, Oh, wow, that's actually
really smart, or just that little throwaway moment of the
green creature that's coming up through the city. Read some

(31:00):
Oh there's the cover of the first Fantastic Four. That's
so nice. And I love that they do those little
things without just I was definitely looking in the background
and just taking in all of those moments, but it
was just because the city was so cool looking and
just so much fun to see, Like, how does this
world work? I guess if you like Canada Dry, you

(31:20):
are really in business, because they've got Canada Dry advertising
all over the.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Place and setting up the splash pages kind of thing
that they keep doing in the movie. But anytime they
slow action down to give us a tableau earlier in
any Marvel film prior to something like Avengers, it's almost
like in the middle of some big action moment and
they basically do a freeze frame to let us know, hey,

(31:45):
here's a comic book panel for you.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Here.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
It's anytime the movie slows down, so you get these
sort of poetic moments with the Silver Surfer when Johnny
grabs her surfboard for the first time and they're floating
together and it's gorgeous. And then later when she's having
her crisis of conscience, she floats up and it's just
hanging in front of the moon. I was like, this
is fucking beautiful. And it didn't feel like they stopped

(32:10):
to do it. It felt like organic to the plot.
I fucking love this movie.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I love when she shows up for the first time
and you get all of the people's reactions and you
get those two guys in an office building and they
do a reverse shot over their shoulder. You see her
in the background, and it's Timely Comics and you can
see pages out of comic books and stuff. I'm like, Oh,
that's nice. Like we're not going for the obvious. We're
not saying, oh, this is a Marvel Comics office. No,

(32:36):
this is Timely Comics, which will eventually evolve. But this
is so nice that we just get a little nod
to these guys working overnight coloring their comic books and
setting up for the next issue as we have the
new Silver Surfer outside.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
I looked at the names of the people involved with
the film in terms of the screen running, and so
there are four names that are listed. There's Josh Friedman,
Eric Pearson, Jeff kap and an Ian Springer.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
There's one more for story right, and yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
There is one more for story Cat would so the
two names I mentioned at the top, Josh Freeman and
Eric Pearson. Eric Pearson worked on and co wrote Thunderbolts,
and then Black Widow and Thor Ragnarok and Agent Carter,
and there are a couple of uncredited rewrites on certain
things like Spider Man Homecoming or Quantum Mania. And then

(33:26):
Josh Friedman. This is his first like Marvel thing. He
worked on something that I really hadn't enjoyed. He worked
on Terminator the Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
I love that series.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yes, the series is way better than had any write
it to be. Has been unfortunately forgotten in all the
other Terminator bad things as maybe one of the few
good things the Terminator actually did after part two.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
I think it's the only worthy thing other than the
video game.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I'm inclined to agree with you, But all that to say,
I'm really glad that Marvel is working with people that
they have not worked with before in the things, but
also still having people that they're continuing to work with
in those rooms as well, because I think it's helping
balance out the problems that we've been having with a
lot of these Marvel movies, which is they just get

(34:11):
stuck in these ruts of doing the same thing, not
because it's easy, but because it's just the way Marvel
does things. Maybe all would agree with me. This is
almost a typical of a Marvel movie at this point
in a lot of ways. There's what three action scenes
in this movie, maybe four, and they're pretty economical too
for the most part, and they work rather well, and

(34:31):
they're good additions to what's going on, but they're not
necessarily the focus, because the focus is it's a character
drama almost like really it's a family piece. And I
don't know, like I've been preaching about this and bitching
about this since Captain America came out, But if you
know what the source material style you want to go
for is lean into it. And they leaned really hard

(34:54):
into it here and it worked like gangbusters, clearly. And
I'm glad because maybe Marvel will continue to be creative
and work themselves out of these ruts that they work
themselves into, because yeah, this is a lot of this
movie just feels atypical of what we've been seeing of
Marvel recently.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Well, I think it's good that they're working with the
same people in some cases here or promoting people from within.
Because Mark Shackman shepherded all of WandaVision. He directed every
single one of those and what created that show, and
I'm sure was the showrunner overall, So he got to
learn how to tell a story in ten episodes or
twelve episodes. So he's the perfect guy to tell it

(35:33):
in two hours because he can cut off all of
the fat and get it all down to its essential components.
And I'd also like to point out that if you
read the comics at all, Franklin Reid, his first governess
was Agatha Harkness.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah. If I had one complain about the movie, though,
it would be that it feels rushed sometimes. I know
that's very opposite of what you were saying, Chris, where
you're like, I'm a little bored in parts. But for me,
a lot of times it felt like the begin and
endings are cut off a little bit of each scene
just to move it along a little bit more. But
I was like to see a little bit more. But

(36:07):
I think that's just because I was enjoying the world
so much and enjoying these characters, and if anything, I
would have liked to have spent more time with these characters.
I would have liked to have known them a little
bit more.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
But it tells a.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Story in less than two hours, which is pretty freaking remarkable,
especially because when I booked the tickets for the theater,
it was two and a half hours that they allotted
for it, and I guess a lot of that was
the pre show, So it.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Took forty minutes trailers, baby, and then ten minutes of
there they're fucking commercials.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
We had two trailers in front of our movie, and
that was it. Oh really two wow, And they were
both Disney things, Avatar and trying Oh okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
I had both of those. Yeah, and then we had gosh,
the new Aeronofsky the knew Paul Thomas Anderson and something else.
But all three of those I was like, I don't
want to see, which was surprising that I would say
that about a Paul Thomas Anderson film. Leo wins me
over sometimes.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
The action scenes in the movie, by the way, the
initial one really is Galactus. It's when they jet off
to Galactus for the first time, leading up to and
including when Galactus finally fucking leans down and you get
the sense of how fucking huge he is and how
tiny we are is something I haven't experienced I don't
think in any Marble film.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Of all the things that this movie does right is
they don't fuck up Galactus and Man talk about the MCU,
going as far as to stop doing the big villain
characters for some of their characters initially because they don't
want to blow them like they did with Red Skull,
and Red Skulls obviously, in my mind, like the worst one.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
That's because they fucking brought him back as some mystic
celestial to kill everybody.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
He's transcended that though, And to be fair, now, you
could just bring in Red Skull from Earth wherever, fucking whatever.
For the fuck, Hey, don't look at me. I'm not
the one who decided multiverses were an easy way to fix.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
The cacore can't come fucking fast enough, I know.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I'm so glad that this movie wasn't a like ret
con horseshit machine, because that's what it would have been.
If they had not figured out the multiverse scenario that
we're in now, it would have been like the Fantastic
Four existed and we didn't know anything about it, and
why haven't they been mentioned? This movie would have just
been the Eternals, because isn't that The problem the Eternals

(38:28):
had was like, where the fuck were you guys this
whole time? You can't do the Fantastic Four without the retrofuturism.
But you could have done like they've done with the
earlier versions of Shield. They have Hank Pim and they
had the agent Carter and Top, so they could have said, yeah,
in the nineteen sixties, the Fantastic Four went up and
they got their powers, and they did a couple of
secret missions Firth, and then they went up for some
other missions and they disappeared. That's how they could just

(38:49):
red con that. But having them be in their own
univers is fucking perfect.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
Here.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
I like them there. Here's the thing My fear going
into this movie was this was in tragedy that Galactus
was going to win and they were going to have
to escape and they would be the only ones escaping
from their universe into ours, and then I was just
gonna feel bad for them for the rest of the
fucking run of the Fantastic Four in the MCU, because
they would be like Superman or fucking any of these people,

(39:18):
like what for for Christ's sake.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I get the distinct feeling that the way that this
plays out is Franklin Richards puts them in the MCU
universe unintentionally through some sort of because again, like that's
the power level of that character, is he can bend
like space and time and so Now, because again to
your point, Father Blow, we talked about this at the
end of the Thunderbolt episode. I was under the impression,

(39:42):
I think we all were, that the Thunderbolts movie and
the post credit scene implied that Galactus eight Earth both
A to eight and you know what, good on them
for practicing restraint and not doing that. However, I also
feel like that's because of the other thing that happened
last year about a year ago now, which is the
casting of one Robert Downey Junior as Iron Man replacement

(40:06):
doctor Doom, which I'm assuming is the case in this universe.
In this universe, there's not an iron Man, there's a
fucking Victor von Doom, who's essentially gonna just be dark
iron Man, which I mean, again, you have Tony Stark,
the actor who played him in that role. So it
makes perfect sense in my mind. Anyways, and clearly, if
they had destroyed Earth. Then it would have been where

(40:27):
is this Doctor Doom coming from? But now it's like
he's this universe is doctor Doom?

Speaker 4 (40:31):
They could have just pulled him from some other universe.
And by the way, more than ever, I'm unhappy with
the Robert Downa junior casting as Victor von Doom given
what we got in this movie. The level of imagination
and the perfect spot on casting is like across the board.
Who these people could have cast for Doctor Doom given

(40:52):
a wide open net, Like maybe it'll be good. I
don't know. I just think it's a huge mistake.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
And I think is the biggest issue I have with
this movie because the lat veria like random mentions and stuff.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Do you feel a little No, I'm fine with it.
This is a Galactus story.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
That's my point. Like, I'd rather just focus on that
because Doctor Duma is such a big threat. Don't hint
at it because it reminds me, like you said, Father Malone,
of the Robert Downey Junior thing, which I agree with
you wholeheartedly. A year ago I was maybe like just
more shocked than anything else, and now it subsumed everything
as the thing that is all anyone is focusing on It's.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Like when the Hulk lands at Doctor Stranger's place and
he's like Thanos is coming. Now we're all sitting around here, going,
Robert Downey Junior is coming.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Back, right and we know it. Imagine if we hadn't
known it and they had revealed it at the end
of this movie.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Oh god, yeah, if he had just turned his head
just a little bet, we would have all collectively lost
our Yes.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yes, And you know what, I don't understand why they
passed up that opportunity, because, you know what, it's great
to do it at the Hall in fucking San Diego
right now, it's Comic CON's going on? Was in this
past week type thing? You're telling me that you would
rather have that one video of people reacting to Robert
Downey Jr. Than it being played over and over in

(42:11):
movie theaters from here until Eternity as the one of
the greatest twists in cinema just to see. Could you
imagine how many people would have just gone ape shit
if today had seen that on screen, because that's what
could have happened. I don't know why the answer wasn't
just will reveal who doctor Doom is in Fantastic Four.
You will see who he is at the end of
the movie, Like, why spoil it, because, like you said,

(42:31):
Father Milone, Like even if it hadn't been Robert Downey Jr.
Whoever it would have been, would have just been like
amazingly insane because we know that's the villain of the
next two movie.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
They needn't reveal anything here. They could have just done
what they did and have her walk back into the
room and see this green cloaked figure and you'd be like,
oh fuck, and then that's the end of the movie.
By the way, speaking of the end of the movie,
it's a happy ending. They pushed Galactus into this black
hole and send him into another universe, did the fantastic
for it by any chance doom us here on Earth?

(43:04):
Because that's how it feels.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Well, that's what I was gonna say. They didn't push
him into another universe. They pushed him to the other
side of their universe without his spaceship like the Delta
quatering or thing. Yeah, so it'll take him millions of
years to get to us, which I mean, Look, there's
a couple narrative conceits in this movie that I feel
like hokey, Like the we're gonna all save our energy together. Okay, movie,
we're gonna turn off the world power grid.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Hey did you did see the world that they live in?

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (43:31):
They're all under one banner and the only country not
participating in Slatvaria.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
I get it. I was gonna say, like, the movie
gets around, it's narrative conceited. That's fine. It's a happy
ending movie, which I was not expecting, not when Galactus
is involved.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
I honestly thought when the power grids started to go down,
when they were trying to do the whole we're gonna
move Earth out of the way thing instead of move
Galactus out of the way, when those grids started going down,
I was thinking, oh shit, was that Latviaria refusing to
be part of this and turning off their grid? And
I thought we were going to go in a whole
other direction.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
All of a sudden, I thought the same thing. I
was like, because they kept showing the map and I
was like, it starts in eastern Europe and I was like,
wait a second, is that no? It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Then I was like, oh, okay, no, it's just the
silver Surfer having incredible powers, which is so nice. To
see just how powerful she is, because that's what the
silver Surfer can do. It's none of this bullshit just oh,
I can be so easily defeated. It takes a fucking
lot to defeat this person. And she ultimately in conjunction

(44:35):
with Sue and they get everybody else on board and stuff,
but ultimately it is her. It is a silver Surfer
that defeats Galactus, which is just absolutely appropriate that she
gets her revenge for her own planet.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
It's the two mothers who defeat Galactus.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
And how great is Ralph inison?

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Is Galactus fantastic?

Speaker 1 (44:53):
And then it was a practical effect, like they built
a suit for this man and he was like in
a Galactus suit on them for doing that, even because
it yields dividends. Really, I love the way he looks
in this movie, like he's to Mike's point earlier about
the fucking floating cloud, which they because they couldn't commit
to just the giant dude floating through space in a

(45:14):
big he could be inside of a spaceship. Again, who
cares they think that audiences used to want to go
watch comic book movies that made comic books boring, And
it's like we read comic books because they're exciting and
fun and over the top and bombastic, but then also
they can be all kinds of other things, but don't
try to take what makes comic books out of them

(45:37):
and shut them in the real world. And it has
to be real and reality like why And it was
so refreshing to watch the MCU just go yeah, like
at some point we are going to stop trying to
make everything in real life and just accept that this
guy's just building a suit of armor and he can
fly around in it, and we have a god. All

(45:58):
of those things can interact side like the can go
in the comics, and that's not a problem for the audience.
And this movie really is like one of the better
examples of like the audience is on board from the
first moment we're watching the movie. By minute fifty, when
a guy in a giant space chair jumps down and
starts antagonizing our heroes, everybody's like this, cool, we're on board. Okay,

(46:20):
you already got me through the door, and I'm on
board with you. And that's again tell us in two
thousand and eight about this movie being like this, and
I don't think I think our brains would have collectively melted.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
I mentioned the sense of scale when they're on his ship,
but the whole sequence at the end when he's chomping
around the city is so incredible. Man, just watching him
turn in a building behind him, you can see all
the glass shatter on a skyscraper, or him balancing himself
on buildings. Speaking of buildings, in the opening scene, not

(46:52):
to keep jumping around, but in the opening when we
get the Moleman's first exploits where he takes the pan
Am building and drops it into the ground again, another
sequence that would have been big payoff of any other
action movie like that was fucking fantastic and felt fun
and not horribly destructive, whereas here at the end where
Galactus is going crazy, just the sense of destruction was

(47:14):
unlike anything we've seen in some time, and felt more
personal than we've seen in some times. I always say
about superhero movies since day one, we don't need them
to save the world. It can be a personal story,
like it can just be a couple of characters versus
a couple of other characters, and we'll fucking go with it.
But in this case, if you're gonna have them save
the world. Here's the way to fucking do it. Have

(47:35):
a fucking giant celestial character chomping around and you're flailing
trying to stop him.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Thinking about even their handler, who's played by Sarah Niles,
I think she's a great character. I wish I would
have seen a little bit more of her, but her
with her blue coat that she always wears like she's
part of the team, and then even in their big
un type building, like all the chairs are blue, and
I just love that the blue carries through with everything,

(48:03):
just to We've seen their uniforms in the past movies
and they've never been this bright as shade of blue before.
We've never had a bright and shiny world in which
they live. And with this retro futurism, it just gives
everything this kind of candy colored sheen to it, and
I love it. It's a feast for the eyes, which
a lot of these movies think about talking about you, Quantumniam,

(48:25):
talking about you thor Love and Thunder. A lot of
these just look like shit, and this one looked really good.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
The sense of style that they allow Matt Shackman to
have is shocking. It really is. Imagine if they had
been letting everybody do this from the get go. I
know why they didn't. We all get it, but just
imagine in a lot of ways, like Father Blone already
mentioned it, but I think it bears a little bit
of talking about now, Like imagine now knowing what you've seen,
is James Gunn, what you can do in response to

(48:53):
the MCU with the DCU, and that the audiences are
now more receptive to just doing whatever the fuck you
want because we're just gonna tell the stories that people
want to see. And if it Robert Pattinson's Batman is
not ever with the Nicholas Holtz lex Luthor, So what
that doesn't mean we don't get Robert Pattinson's Batman.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Keep them fucking separate. I don't want that Pattinson Batman
running into Mix your Mister Mix Opickel.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Or Batman or any of that. Yeah, And James Gunn's
stuff allows for that, And that's the thing that is
the bummer here, And I think it's the transition point
in my mind of what does this look like when
they interact with the characters from the NCU.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Can't wait. Actually, it's gonna be fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Because half of it is just gonna be like, why
do you look like this? What is with your outfits
like and your uniforms and your sense of style? And
because again that's the thing. At the end of the
Thunderbolts we saw them reacting to the ship, not to
the ship itself, but the fact that there was a
ship in their orbit, but like part of it would
be like, what the fuck does why does the ship

(49:57):
look like that? Cause again it looks so markedly different
than anything we've seen in any of the MCU, even
the most Again to point out something that I think
this movie does better than Black Panther, to speak to
the retrofuturism that they actually do in this Unlike Black
Panther here it works really well. But yeah, you have
to essentially create an entire new universe around this, because

(50:19):
there's no way right now with the MCU the way
it is to do it any other way. To your
point bottom alone, like, I can't wait to see where
they go with it, but they have to address it
because there's no way that they don't. Like it's so
stark a contrast between Earth eight two eight and Earth
six to six.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Oh, I'm sure it'll be a source of comedy in
future movies. And what I liked here is that it
seems like since studios started taking superhero movies seriously, there
has been a push to get as far from comic
book accurate costumes as possible, starting with the X Men.
Let's put them all in black leather. Okay, sure that
makes it somehow more relatable to the real world, so

(50:59):
to have them leans so fucking heavy into the original
look of the Fantastic Four. But what I discovered here
is because I watched the ninety four version, and they
replicate the costumes of comic book almost exactly in that
as well different one. The difference is, of course, that
these are heavily stitched and designed, and there's an eye

(51:20):
towards a real world version of those costumes. You can
do anything, and we'll fucking go with it. Now, after
fucking Deadpool and Wolverine, where we've got a comic accurate
Remy LeBeau, these days you can pretty much get away
with anything.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I'm surprised you mentioned the good old Channing Tatum and
not that Wolverine.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Like screen accurate or the comic book act which one
the tiny one in the bar, You know that one.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Also they're just think the tiny one's the best one.
The yellow one.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yeah, the tiny one's amazing.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, no, the yellow one. We finally get the wolverine
with the with the.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
White eyes and the yeah two batman facing each other.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
That's true. And when he put that fucking mask on,
like everyone in the fucking theater cheered, and it's such
a one hundred and eighty degrees from before, Like, get,
we cannot ever show him in this. This is the
No one will ever accept this, it's too ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Well, they were making jokes about it in the first one.
What do you expect?

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yellow spandex I like that the thing has an eyebrow
ridge in this. This is the best version of the
thing that's ever been put to film. Like, I like
Michael Chickliss as an actor. I think he was doing
exactly what he was asked for, and that's not a
bad thing for him as an actor. But those movies
Father Malone already Ranferencill like he's just a sad sack
of shit.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Those whole movies.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
It's one note. But Michael Chickliss plays that know really
well though, Like to his.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Credit, the pasthetic work in that is really good, except
they needed to have done something like Peter Jackson photographically
sizing him in some way to make it more like
he looks like a human being underneath all of that rock.
This looks like a rock man.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
It's surprising how well the thing works, because it's the
one thing that I feel like they haven't been able
to get right.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Well. I do want to give the ninety four version
it to do because Steve Johnson's suit in that for
they had a million dollar budget in that movie, which
means he maybe got fifty sixty thousand dollars and he
made that one suit. It's fucking incredible. If he had
been given a couple of million dollars, we would have
had a practical suit in ninety four that would talk
and fucking move and fucking clobber and time all day.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Hey man, Those turtle suits in the nineties are a
good example that you could have done it if you
actually had the wherewithal to do it. Those turtle suits
I think are still in my mind like the best
animatronics ever made, because those they carry those movies, say
which will about those movies, but those are four people
in fucking full last puppet suits like given it, they're
all and yeah, I think that is the bummer. Is

(53:46):
the thing about that original Korman movie is just it's
a big what if. Look the Captain America from the
nineties similarly like Luigi.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Wuf Hey Captain America, Come on over here came out
and it's bad.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Fantastic four movie at least would have had some charm.
And that's the thing, Like the thing that the Fan
four Stick movie didn't have that those first two had
were they were at least like mildly charming, Chris Evans charming,
Michael Chicklis charming, like they're all charming like that Fan
for Stick just is like let's be serious, ugh, and
they take all the fun and the charm out of it.

(54:20):
We've talked about him a little bit, but I think
speaking of charm, I think for me, like Pedro Pascal,
this is I'm good now, Like I don't need you
to be in everything anymore. And this is like the
thing where I'm like.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
I really liked him, honestly, I know, I like it.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
That's the thing, Like he's really good and this is
like I'm saying, like peak Pedro Pascal, But dude, what
else can you be in at this point because you've
now been like in everything in a degree that no
one else can even replicate.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
People.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
He's like a singular Star Wars character for them too,
Like more important than fucking Luke and Han Solo Mandalorian is.
Some people's like the Star Wars they only care about,
which it's that's fucking Pedro Pascal.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Like He's been around for quite a while now, and
I've seen him in tons and tons of things, but
I've only recently warmed Pedro Pascal. So this is the
perfect movie for me to finally embrace him because I
loved his Read Richards. We got the actual perfect Read
Richards in that doctor Strange in the multiverse of madness.

(55:20):
No one could portray the smug, fucking assholary that is
Reid Richards like John Krasinski.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Thank God, I do not like John Krasinsky at all.
He's such a smug guy right like, he plays it
so well.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
I despise him.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
I was so glad that they kept the stretching to
a minimum and that they didn't do just stretch for
stretch sake, like I like when he used his arm
to go up on the blackboard.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
I was like, Okay, that works, And I liked that
the blackboard was also it looked mid century modern that
it came up in peaks, but it also made sense
because he could stretch up that far in the big.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Action scene at the end when he's going around and
he's stretching all over the place like that looks all right.
But keep that shit to a minimum. We don't really
need to see it because no matter what, no matter
how they do it, it's always going to be uncanny
because we just don't move that way, so it's always
going to be weird. So I think they do is
best of a job as a can by keeping it

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to a small percentage of it. And I liked when
Galaxis was stretching him out. Oh my god, the pain
on his face. I thought that was really great. I
think the one missed moment for this is when Sue
is laying on the street, possibly dead. She should have
woken up and said, I really want to try some shwarma.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
All I could think was, man read Richards is not
putting his back into that CPR. He's find out her.
Come on, dude, dude, that's your wife. Brother, But dau
Sex Franklin, Richard's baby.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Yeah, and that's when that baby looks awful. A few
times in there. There's a few times, especially like when
he's trying to get to his mother, I'm just like, oh,
CG baby all it's CG. But baby head nor that
baby has the power cosmic, all right.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
It does have the power cosmic. It can bring people
back to life.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
In the comics, Schallibal one time appeared as a silver
Surfer because Galactus in the form of Franklin Richards made her.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Do you some, Michelle Obama, shallabala shallabaal shalla bala gamala.
That was the other thing that was nice because this
movie is set in like retrofuturism. Like I went into
this movie is like I forgot that there was a
real world outside. And that is again I think Father
Malone you would agree clearly having seen it twice now,
like there's something to be said for that given that,

(57:40):
like we literally two weekends ago talked about Superman not
doing that Superman literally just being like, let's steer into
this shit with the rage baiting troll of Lex luthoran
there's none of that here and again, and you we've
already talked about a little bit in this universe. It
is a much better world, clearly than our own. Can
you imagine what twenty twenty five would look like if

(58:02):
this was the universe that we lived in. Just again,
the world coming together to turn all of our electricity off?
Other than these one group of assholes in Latvaria, what
would that look like?

Speaker 3 (58:12):
And they've even started galactus cults. I was like, oh
fuck that, plus.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
The death cults they're coming.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
I wept many times during this movie. I know I'm
a sentimental old man and everything, but there were moments
of actual, fucking pure emotion. This movie features a birth
in space. I've never seen that in a movie, and
it is emotional and appropriate, and it comes in the
middle like of an action sequence. I don't know, gentlemen, this.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Movie has made for Father Malone. Yeah, it really was.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
And here's the thing, Like I said, I'm not the
biggest Fantastic fore fan. I can take or leave. The
fact that they were going to have Silver Surfer in
this had my money, and the fact that we were
getting screen accurate Galactus and everyone involved. Obviously, I was
gonna go see this movie, but I had no expectation whatsoever,
and it really won me over It really reinvigorated my

(59:04):
interest in the Marvel sort of universe. I can't wait
to fucking finish this goddamn saga, the multiverse saga. We
got three more, is it?

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Now?

Speaker 4 (59:15):
We've got Spider Man and the two Avengers movies, and
then we're done, and then we can fucking move on
to our next frontier. And it can't come soon enough
because if this is where we're going, I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Does that mean that Marvel is now just gonna do
this is its own thing like that The Fantastic Four
are just gonna have two sequels or as many as
this time allows, and it'll just be in their universe.
That's my hope.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
We could be so lucky.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
If you go to other multiversal things that have been done,
one of them, speaking of DC, is Injustice the video game.
In the video game, in the first one, it's like
a multiversal crossover that causes the issues, but the second
game has nothing to do with that, and it's just
taking place in that universe that was dealing with multiversal

(01:00:02):
stuff in the first game, but now it's just dealing
with things in that universe. They're different than the universe
you're used to but we don't go and have alternate
universe Batman brought in. We don't have any of that. Again,
It's just that's whatever is taking place in this universe
is that is that version of the game, and that's
what I would like to see what the MCU after this.
It's like I would like if these movies stay in
their own lane moving forward and don't get bogged down

(01:00:24):
in the MCU of it all, because I think the
MCU could do like the DCEU is going to do
and allow things to just be their own things. And
there's nothing wrong with that, because I don't think Father Malone,
your favorite Superheroes Captain America Sam Wilson would not work
on Earth eight to eight the end. It just wouldn't work,
and I don't want to see it, and I would

(01:00:44):
prefer to just have this be its own thing moving
forward after whatever they decide to do with Doomsday and
everything else.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Yeah, I agree with you. If they go back to
Earth A two eight and they just chill because they are,
as far as I can see, the Earth's only real protectors.
Keep them with that Earth, let them stay there, let
them have their thing, Let the move against other villains.
If they need to. I'm excited to see the deleted
scenes with John Malkovich. I think that would be pretty
cool singing it to him. And from the just the

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tiniest images that I've seen, I don't know if he's
in jail during it or what's going on. We get
the red apes. I'm not familiar with that character, so
it seems so cheesy to have these red apes going around.
But I'm like, yeah, that's the fantastic four I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Oh yeah, man, Red Ghost is fantastic. He's got his
army of apes. Yeah, they're really fun. And the fact
that it was going to be Malkovich, I feel like
we got robbed of a few movies of just the
sort of wacky adventures that's fantastic for.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Yeah, he was on the poster, not his face, but
his name. So I was just like, oh, I wouldn't
for a while because I was trying to stay away
from this stuff as much as possible. I was like,
I wonder if he's voice in Galactis. That would be interesting,
this this big cloud with John Malcov's voice coming out of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
It, just like a young man coming in for a QUVICKI.

Speaker 7 (01:02:07):
She'll so unseatisfied, and there's a little bit of moment
of comedy in here right at the end to lighten
it up with them trying to put the baby seat in,
and I was like, that actually works for me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Had that been at the beginning of the movie, I
don't know if I would have taken it. But by
the end I have such good will for these characters
that I just like, Yeah, this is it and that
they need to use fucking teamwork to make it work.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
This movie makes the unthinkable real and it gives Ben
Grimm facial hair that doesn't look ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Oh my god, it was awesome. That was great.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
I was like, man, that's so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
He walks into that temple with the hat and everything.
I was like, yeah, man, he looks like a rabbi.
He's great.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
I will say I wish that they had given the
it's clobbering time moment a little bit more of a pause,
or maybe my movie theater just wasn't loud enough, like
the mixing wasn't loud enough. But it got lost in
the explosion punching galactus in the side of the face
of it all.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
And it's also in the moment where Galactus is stretching
Reid Richards, which is very harrowing, and then they cut
away to this sort of raw moment and it's it
is lost in it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Yeah, it's jarring because, like I did see in one
of the final trailers for the movie, they showed the
lead up to that scene, but they don't show that
it's clobbering time payoff, and I was like, man, I
can't wait to see what it's like in the movie.
And then when I saw the movie, was like, man,
I almost wish they had just done that fucking Captain
America thing where it's like Avengers dot dot dot, Like
I wish they had just done that, like given it

(01:03:33):
for a moment and maybe Avengers dooms there or something
where we actually have him say it, because if this
was going to be it, I don't know. You didn't
give the moment enough time to breathe, which is a
weird thing to say for a rockman screaming at a
giant space god.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
And the next time he says it, I want him
to say it very quietly and mean right, like it's
clovering time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
And then just whack this shit out of Doctor Doom
like Uppercut him. Yeah, the Thing is a character that
you could give them his own thing, like you could
give any of these characters or own things. That's maybe
another direction to go to is split that split them
off and do their own thing as well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
I used to read that The Thing had at least
one spinoff series that I read all of that, and
it was almost a little not quite Planet Hulk esque,
but it was him on another planet kind of doing
his own thing because he just felt like such an outsider.
And I was like, Okay, yeah, this works. I love
that series.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Yeah, man, and please, I know we're getting a neuron
rad silver Surfer from what I hear they're doing in
as like they did the Werewolf by Night. They're going
to do it as like a special And please, for
the love of God, because we can do any kind
of story we want, give us existential neurin Rad. Give please,

(01:04:49):
just half an hour of him just surfing the fucking
universe is fine. Whatever plan they had to knock Galactus
to the other side of their universe, they opened a
black hole. They'd have no fucking idea where you went.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Maybe they did just send him to Earth sixty six
by accident.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Because look, all the action takes place on our Earth,
in the Marvel universe, so they can have their fun
over there, but all the shit's gonna end up here eventually.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Yeah, any of the serious stuff anyway, anythings where the
stakes need to be resolved, I feel like are going
to have to take place on Earth.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
So, as far as I can tell, the next Marvel
movie that TV show. But the next Marvel movie is
that Spider Man movie, which is set to come out
July thirty first, twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Six, just fucking wild.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
And then it's six months later Avengers Doomsday, and then
a year later Secret Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
We've gone into the feast and famine times. We're in
the famine times with Marvel.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Hey man, if we got to wait and we had
movies like this, fucking take a year, take two years.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
As a video gamer, this is a thing that we
deal with, like a lot of oversaturation of things. I
think Marvel and Disney and Star Wars reach an oversaturation
point during probably would we all say, early pandemic years
twenty one twenty two, Like I think everybody was getting
burned out in that general.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Once that fucking Boba Fete thing was up. The tails
from Boba fet By then I think it was like
that was all over all of the fucking sequels, oh suh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
And for me with Marvel, it was like stuff like Moonnight.
I like Moonnight a lot, actually do too, but it
doesn't have any stakes with anything. It doesn't seem like
it's ever gonna matter.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Those were all over long may all should have been
two hour movies. All of those series were nothing but
diluting everything that was going on with Marble.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Well, that's the thing, like you just said, with the
Werewolf by Night, they I didn't need a full fucking
series that was exactly enough, perfect enough.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Can I, by the way, recommend you know they have
that in color. If you can watch that in color,
watch it in color. It's a thousand times better.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I was gonna say, speaking of Michael Giacchino, Wow, talk
about doing some heavy lifting in this movie and Fantastic
Four theme that lead motif. I wouldn't say modern day
John Williams, but definitely someone who has that level of
grandeur when it comes to working in the film landscape,
because it gives this movie like a sense of scale
that it needed. And again, like we've already mentioned, the

(01:07:15):
Fantastic Four is only Earth's defender. There needs to be
some real weight given to these characters and what they're
dealing with, because it's the four of them between destruction.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
Wells, it's got a lot of frolicsome early sixties lounge
music kind of themes going on.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Well, it was nice too that, as far as I
could tell, the songs weren't Earth songs, that they were
like Earth songs but a little bit different because it's
a whole different Earth. And I was like, like fringe
when they would go to the alternate universe and they
would see like different cars, like different It was the
Eric Stoltz version of Back to the Future. Those differences

(01:07:53):
were there, which I liked. And it wasn't like punching
you in the face with things. So it wasn't like
we had to have a music video where it was
kind of like the Beatles but not quite them. It's okay, please.
Like even though this universe, this world, this eight too,
eight could have lent itself to really gimmicky garbage type stuff,

(01:08:14):
they stayed away from it. They didn't even focus on
the cartoon that much. Is a couple of moments during
the movie and then having the cartoon intro at the
end I thought was really a smart thing and also
harkened back to the end of the One Spider Man
movie where they're no way helme. I think, where they're
all pointing at each other, and I think one of
the Sony animation.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Ones where it's the animated one does that is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
The twenty ninety nine version of Spider Man coming in. Yeah,
that was nice and I thought that was a very
nice way to end it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
I'm glad that this movie didn't dip, like it's toe
too much into comedy. I would say it's about as
comedic as any Marvel film is, but I would say
it's less so in my mind, like there are moments
of comedy, but we're thankfully getting away from those Josh
Weedon moments that MCU was plagued by for a decade
after Avengers ice crackery. But it was also like serious beat,

(01:09:08):
serious beat joke to undercut the two serious beats because
we could never be serious. This movie doesn't do that.
Thunderbolts doesn't really do that either. I went and rewatched
Thunderbolts as well to see.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
I did too. By the way, my estimation has grown,
my criticisms remain. I think it's clunky and really poorly paced,
but yeah, the ending is like fucking riotously good to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Your point, Like, I think it's way better than it
had any right to be. And I have really enjoyed
rewatching it like two or three times.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Even that's a good team. Really enjoy them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
And same here. Like as much as maybe Pedro Pscal
for me doesn't do all the heavy lifting, he's almost
the Leonardo of the group. There always has to be
one character that can stand to be underwritten a little
bit but doesn't always have to be. But Pedro Bescal
is great. But for me, I think all of this
movie really does benefit from the four leads just being

(01:10:02):
so great together in a way that the Thunderbolts were.
And I'm hopeful that with more team based fucker.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Let's do that. Yeah, yeah, keep giving us teams for Christik,
give us the fucking Midnight Sun, right they're sitting right there,
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
And I'm hopeful for the X Men, like I'm hopeful
for whatever we get of the X Men, but I'm
hopeful that it's great because they've been nailing it with
these big hero teams recently, and the chemistry is really
where this kind of comes down to, and they the
actors right now, they must just be champion at the
bit to work with Marvel. If you're in a team setting,

(01:10:37):
because you get to work with these great actors and
feed off of one another, it must be great.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
So you're saying that Pedro Pescal is good, but he
can be better.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Maybe the movie that made Pedro Pescal never want to
shave his face again, apparently, is what he has said.
I hated the way I looked about facial hair.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
You just said it. Chris Hopeful for the future of
superhero movies, I thought it was all over, And finally
it seems people are figuring out that you got to
give us a good story and take your time and
make the characters enjoyable and make everything pay off and
maybe in still a sense of awe and wonder that

(01:11:16):
we all go to the fucking movies for in the
first place.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
As much as Deadpool Wolverine last year didn't nail it,
the thing that movie nailed was that fucking team up
at the end. That was the best part of that
whole movie. That's the best team up I think in
any of those Deadpool movies, because they're like Okay, there's
a sense of those characters, there's a sense of how
Deadpool interacts with them, there's a sense of how they
interact with Deadpool. They're all different, but they are all

(01:11:42):
on a similar wavelength and that works really well. And
I can't help but wonder how much of that positive
energy and chemistry of those teams work their ways into
the other scripts and the things that were being worked
on around the same time being filmed and going into
production like this movie was and Thunderbolts really and I

(01:12:02):
just that Deadpool Wolverine movie just everything, but the team
up at the end is eh. But you know what,
if that sets the tone for some of these things
moving forward. Great, because there's about to be a really
big team up thing, and I hope it's half as
good as that original Avengers big ass team up was
with Endgame because our Infinity War, because that's a pretty

(01:12:22):
high barred across at this point. But these are some
good team up, teamed team films, so I can only
hope that beyond this it'll be better. Hopeful.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
There's nothing but potential from everything that's come up until now.
All of the films have been they've been all disappointing
in one way or another. But now we know who
those characters are, we're established with them. If we can
get them into a situation that is half as good
as Infinity War, I think we're golden.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
For the first time in a long time, there's a
good Marvel and a good DC movie in the movie
theaters that you could go watch on a Saturday, back
to back and not have a bad time with either.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
And by the way, it was never one versus the other.
As comic book fans, we love both of them like
we want them both to succeed.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
And if you don't feel that way, then get the
fuck out of here, because that's only good for us
that they're both successful. I mean it's good for them too,
obviously financially, but as consumers them being good at the
same time actually makes both of them better in the
long run, because if you're just resting on your laurels,
one of the other ones can be complacent. Marvel saw

(01:13:27):
DC and went, well, we're just going to elevate ourselves
further than them. They looked at him and went, these
guys just keep shooting themselves in the foot over and
over again. It's like racing a one legged man. You're
ahead of the whole time, and Marvel got so complacent
that they're having to redo everything. But I'm so excited
to see what that is at this point because the
way they treat the audiences is so markedly different from

(01:13:49):
ten years ago, let alone two thousand and eight. So yeah,
hopeful for the first time with Marvel is wild. This
Marvel is one thing, but DC is another. So collectively,
this is a first I think in our lifetimes with
these kinds of things.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Really, it was very strange when I went to the theater.
I pulled right into a very convenient spot. There were
very few people in the lobby. There are very few
people in my theater. I know it did very well
this weekend, but it was pretty empty when I was
sitting there, which was a big surprise for me because
I was expecting packed everything. I was like, Oh, this

(01:14:26):
is the Fantastic four, this is going to be huge.
The theater was overflowing for Endgame, of course, but not here.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
Yeah, I don't think they've built up the good will yet.
Like Thunderbolts was a good first step, Honestly, that before
first steps, this has.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Taken a lot of momentum to get to this point,
and this is a good thing that this will keep
it building and not stifle it. But to your point, Mike,
like I went saw it in my theater was almost full,
and I saw it today one in the afternoon on
a Sunday. The post church crowd in the Midwest show
up for this movie. So I'm thankful for that because
they're kind of the hardest ones to get through the

(01:15:04):
door sometimes, especially on the weekends, because there's so much
other stuff to do. But there were plenty of people there,
and it was a pretty mixed crowd too, a lot
of adults, but there were also some families with kids.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
There was one couple in the theater with a baby,
and so whenever Franklin would get upset, the baby would
get upset. So now it was almost like stereo.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
It was don't be at most feel everything.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Chris, when you're not talking about the Fantastic Four? What
are you up to these days?

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Just doing audio stuff with you over at weirdingwaymedia dot com.
You and Father Alone. We do a little show with
Father Malone every other week. We're on his show midnight viewing.
And then I've taken a little bit of a break
from my show to retoul it. But the Culture Cast
still has six hundred and ninety one episodes, So if
you want to go listen to that show, it's on
weirding Way Media too, But that's where you can go

(01:15:49):
for everything that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
I work on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
What about you fodd him alone?

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
You just mentioned my show Midnight Viewing, where we look
at horror anthologies and horror things in general. You gentlemen,
and I every other week look at tails from the
dark Side. Currently, those other weeks aren't filled with a
bunch of fests. Right now, mister Walters and I are
currently going through the works of John Fusco and our
Fusco Fest. We've also begun our Yaucha Fest, which is

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the actual name of the race in the Predator movies.
We're starting with Predator this Friday. It's a great series.
We're having a lot of fun doing it. That's what
we're up to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
You get two thumbs up for me Predator Rius What
is this Marl logo?

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Hey, exactly why we're calling it Yaucha Fest?

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Youcha Yaucha Fest. That's got a nice ring to it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
I like on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
And as for me, you can find everything that I
do also at wordingwaymedia dot com, including the projection booth
which you are currently listening to. You might be listening
to this under the Culture cast or under Midnight Viewing,
but yes, all of those Wordingwaymedia dot Com. Come on over,
give us a listen. I think you'll be very pleased.

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