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August 25, 2025 113 mins
This week on Wrestling with the Topics, Lee & Tammy Sanders break down the latest in life, wrestling, and the headlines you can’t ignore including thoughts on the Raja Jackson Wrestling Weekend Incident! Episode synopsis for August 24th 2025:

✅ Here’s what’s on deck this week:
•🍎 Weekend Vibes & Back-to-School Season – late August hustle, kids back in school, new college routines, and Lee’s UMD journey.
•🙏 Thank YOU! – shoutouts to listeners who voted to help structure the show going forward.
•❤️ Tammy’s Health Update – the latest check-in with Tammy’s progress and how she’s feeling.
•📰 DC Spotlight – Federal crackdown, 2,000+ National Guard troops deployed in tourist areas, weapons authorization, public backlash, and a big policy shift on rifle/shotgun possession.
•🤼 Wrestling Rumors & Speculation – Chris Jericho fueling WWE return buzz, WWE Vault’s subtle trolling, and fan chatter.
•🔥 AEW & Indie Scene Highlights – Killer Kross & Scarlett shock GCW, Pete Dunne pops up in London, Jon Moxley return rumors, and more.
•🩸 Raja Jackson Incident – son of UFC legend Rampage Jackson storms a wrestling ring, violently attacks Syko Stu, leads to hospitalization, Kick ban, and Rampage’s public apology.
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(02:45):
all the difference. What's going on everybody? You're checking out

(03:06):
an all new wrestling with the topics Lee and Tammy
Sanders back with you all for this beautiful Sunday Sunday.
Sunday Sunday, August twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. It's going
on kind people.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Hello, how's everybody doing? Happy, happy Sunday. Yes, happy Sunday.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Indeed, we've been catching up this weekend doing a little
bit of summer cleaning because we kind of stopped well, okay, okay,
let me let me rephrase that the WiFi has been
doing spring cleaning. I've pretty much been in the background. Yeah,
that looks really good. Do it just like that. Although

(03:49):
I did make my contribution for this weekend, I got
the misses here a air Purify and I left her to
her own devices. I said, here, you go figure it out,
but if you need me, just give me a holler.

(04:11):
And we still haven't been able to turn it on
yet because right up under our AC unit, our old
AC unit at that we swapped it out, but I
don't think we were able to pull it off in time.
But there's the beginning of a little tiny mold spot
that's going on right up underneath. Nothing too alarming. It

(04:34):
definitely will be able to come off with whatever that
spray bottle it was that you got, but I'm looking
forward to that air purifier being utilized for anybody that's interested.
I'll definitely share a link throughout social media. I'll even
share a link on the episode description of this joint
maybe in the comments. It has four point seven or

(04:58):
four point eight out of live stars on Amazon based
on over one hundred and seventy thousand reviews that was left.
So that's pretty damn good. So it's a pretty popular joint.
Energy saver whole nine yards. You really cannot go wrong
with it. Hey, we're down to the final week and

(05:22):
a half.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
It's the final count down as they're going back. It's
a hectic time right now in the Sanders household because
as kids are getting ready to go back to school,
and we've got folks that's getting ready to maybe return
to college, or they're getting ready to transfer, or they're

(05:45):
getting the first time college experience, yours truly is getting
ready to embark on a new adventure. As now that
community college is in the books, I'm still waiting on
my Associates degree. I've just gotten to the point now
where I've just tapped out.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
I've pulled a rick flur no more, no more, no more.
I just I'm just I've tapped out. Because Okay, So,
without long drawing and being long winded with this, I
basically hit my community college up and I said, hey,
so the four year college over here, they're patiently waiting

(06:26):
on the transcript so that we can try to definitively
figure out what classes I might be exempt from for
this first semester and maybe other semesters going forward. Is
there any way you could, maybe I don't know, do
me a huge solid, and since you guys have this
working relationship with them, because you guys, maybe do me
a solid and hurry it up. Just hurry it up.

(06:49):
And they hit me back, very nice email and everything.
They were like, no, we can't do that. You've got
to wait until the professors have turned in their final
grades for this past semester. Now, keep in mind, I
wrapped my stuff up as part of the Summer one session.

(07:12):
I've been grouped with the Summer two session, which just
wrapped up two weeks ago. But this week that we're
in professors had this week up until I guess today
to submit final grades. Now, as of Monday on, they're
gonna process everything and all of us that were part

(07:32):
of summer one and two. They're gonna process us accordingly.
So it's ah, that sucks. So but but I did
not tell you this, hun and you guys, there is
a silver lining here. So I did circle back to
my advisor and she goes, well, you probably forgot, and

(07:53):
that's okay. But the way we did your fall schedule
for this first semester, we did it in such a
way where we factored in that you had your associates,
so all the classes that you're seeing, it's final. There's
no need to swap anything out. Take comfort knowing you

(08:15):
are good to go. So cool, I said, like, okay, great,
went to campus. Me and TAM's we went to the
campus on Friday, and oh my god, it was it
was so awesome. I mean, that thing is huge. That
is a huge ass campus. It is huge. Their bookstore

(08:37):
alone was huge. I've never seen so many memorabiliy, I've
never seen so much shit before and my life. The
cafeteria looked on everybody was so friendly. Everybody act like
they actually wanted to help. From the moment that I
went up there to the first building to pick up

(09:00):
my ID, you know what, before I go any further,
I love Galactic You guys really got to get a
visual on this because every time I'm looking and I'm
trying to talk to Tams, I can see her shoulders,
but her head has been replaced by that damn Galactics
popcorn bucket, right, So let me just okay, hey, there

(09:21):
you go. That's a more prettier face anyway. So yeah,
the first building that I went to to get my ID,
the lady goes, oh, congratulations, and I'm like, hey, hey,
then it's great to phil, welcome, thank you, and and
she's like, yeah, you know, so I think you you

(09:41):
took your picture at home. I said yeah, I said,
I think it looks pretty good. I ain't gonna get
no better looking. She goes, no, it looks really good.
You look okay. I'm like, oh great, great, so very warm,
very friendly. Then going to the bookstore, everybody was friendly,
and it was just I was taken back by it
because normally everybody's just kind of in their own little

(10:03):
zone and is maybe alone. I don't really want to
do anything. I don't really want to talk to you.
So it was a really great experience. Now, shout out
to you people out there that push e scooters and
e bikes. I need recommendations. Like yesterday, I have tried

(10:23):
looking online for some stuff, and I've done my best
to research, but I'm a little bit So if you
guys can give me some solid advice, I'd appreciate it
because I definitely and TAM's will tell you, I definitely
need some type of a scooter. A regular bike is

(10:46):
not going to do it. It's not going to do it.
I'm going to need some type of a e bike
or an e scooter because the campus is that huge.
I mean, for those of you that's probably going how
huge are we talking, Lee? I mean, my god, it
almost has its own city. Yeah, I wish I was exaggerating.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's probably one of the
biggest campuses I've ever been on.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
And I actually have done a couple of college tours
you know, way way, way way back when.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, and but it's it's huge. Like, you know, every
way you turn, you're still literally on campus, whether it
be dorms, whether it be the you know, the buildings
where the lectures.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
And your classes are going to be, plus your general
you know, your turp's games and all of that.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
So I wouldn't be surprised if at least it wasn't
half a zip.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Code I know, right, I mean, seriously, it's it's insane. Now,
if you were to ask me straight up, do I
have a budget, yes, I do. I want to try to. Honestly,
I'm willing to spend up to four hundred dollars, but
if I can spend less than that, it's gotta be
able to fit into a car, whether it's the back

(12:11):
seat or it's the back trunk of a sedan. So
keep that in mind. I know some of you guys
like to email me, or private message me, or just
hit me up out in the open on social media
if you got some recommendations let me know. Feel free
to give me some safety tips or just tips in

(12:31):
general as well, because this is going to be my
first time messing with a e bike or an e scooter.
But I gotta tell you, when we were on campus grounds,
we saw a lot of people rushing e bikes, but
mainly e scooters.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
Mainly scooters.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Now, I will tell you probably if you want a percentage, oh,
I'd say probably sixty forty sixty on e bikes and
forty walking.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
You know what, I'd really break that down even further.
I would go, I would say forty percent walking. I
would say, oh man, I would say forty percent some
type of emotorized vehicle, and then the remaining percent that

(13:23):
would be split that up between regular bike, public transportation.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Oh yeah, the free shuttle, the free shuttle that they have.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, the yo. We got a great show lined
up for you, guys. Y'all picked a great time to
tune in. Yes, we will definitely talk about the rumors
of Chris Jericho possibly going back to WWE. I did
not plan on talking about this, but I'm not talking
about Jericho. I'm talking about that Roger Jackson. What the fuck.

(13:56):
We will definitely dive into that deal with all the
information that we have available at this time. Of course,
you already know I'll be circling back to it Monday night,
assuming that something interesting develops from there and all that.
We also got an NFL lookout or outlook, I should say,

(14:16):
because last week past two weeks, actually we did a
really good job looking at the Commanders, and then we
looked at the Baltimore Ravens last week. This week, we're
gonna do a double whammy. We're gonna look at the
Super Bowl competitors in the Kansas City Chiefs and the
Philadelphia Eagles, look at their respected schedules, figure out how

(14:38):
that's gonna play itself out, and ask the question, will
one of these teams or both of these teams make
it to the super Bowl? When they make it back
to the super Bowl, So we'll tackle that. A lot
of good stuff that we got planned for you guys.
As far as what we're gonna be covering. Before we
go any further, I want to say this out in

(14:59):
the open up front. Thank you. We both need to
say thank you to the decent amount of you that
have voted on our exclusive YouTube poll. We posted it
almost a week ago, and the genesis of it is hilarious.
As you can hear, I sound more vibrant, I sound

(15:23):
more energetic? Do I not? Do I not? That is
because last Sunday I did not sleep, which sometimes I
am just wired like that. And you probably heard a
little bit of I don't know what you want to

(15:43):
call it. Was it my best? No, it could have
been better. But we had a listener that did a
drive by in the comments section and he pretty much
was like, you guys, you're repeating yourselves. You guys, you're
repeating to one another. Agree and then repeat again, and
then and and me and Tams we ended up playing

(16:07):
the first forty minutes of the show back and we're
going because he insisted, listen back, Listen, you'll hear what
I'm talking about. Listen back. I can't get with this
shit thumbs down, and I was like, whoa dude, have
a snickers. It's not that serious. Okay, but me and
TAM's listen to the first forty minutes and we are

(16:31):
our harshest critics. Do not do not mistake well, okay,
make no mistake about that. We are our harshest critics.
And so we're listening to it back. And then finally
we took that negative into a positive, to which Tam says,
let's do a poll, Let's do a pole And basically,

(16:51):
Tam she told me off the break, she said, look,
and this is how TAM's has been rolling for the
longest time that we have been doing this show. She
has said ninety minutes, Let's just do ninety minutes, and
then we roll out because her whole thing is we're
not getting any younger, right, and like we don't need
to be that long wining. Let's just get in and
out ninety minutes, tops and so to us.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
We also realize that you guys have lives as well,
and you know, want to do other things besides listen
to us for the whole day. We all know that,
you know, with different topics between this or that, it
could definitely be a quarter of your day. Thank you, guys.
I wanted to personally say thank you, you know, guys
for going out of your way and saying, hey, here's

(17:40):
how I want to lend my voice and here's how
I can help, you know, shape the show.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
So thank you, Yes, thank you. So to those that
did not vote, maybe you meant to or you weren't
even aware of the poll. Again, this was an exclusive
YouTube poll. We didn't make it available anywhere else. Here's
the final tally. Four percent said, if anything, make the
show even more polished slash professional. I did that as
a nod to the guys you're repeating yourselves four percent.

(18:08):
We have a tie at thirteen percent half keep it
the way it is, however long it goes, it goes.
I appreciate the people that voted that way. Those are
the hardcore yo, you guys can't go wrong by us,
y'all okay in our book. I appreciate that the other
half covered just three to four topics per episode. That

(18:31):
I must admit I did find that a little interesting.
But my biggest dilemma with that was, MM, you're not
gonna please everybody, because you're probably gonna get a decent
amount of people well what about this, what about that?
What about this? Or what about that?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Now?

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I don't want to wait a whole week for like, no,
get on it now, or like just don't bring it
up at all. So that was kind of interesting. The
overwhelming top dog winner with seventy percent of the votes
make Wrestling with the Topics a strict ninety minute show.
We can be a little loose with that. I mean,
if it's ninety five, if it's ninety eight, but we're

(19:11):
gonna do our best for those of you that voted
for that, We're gonna do our best to do a nine.
We're gonna do our best to do at eighty nine,
clocking out at ninety minutes, and the main reason why
it definitely to TAM's point, but then also with this
upcoming fall semester, I've got a guys, Monday through Friday.

(19:34):
I've got classes. We're talking seventeen credit hours of classes.
So I am going to be psy let me tell
you so this trust me, this is actually going to
be a good thing. I think honestly, you guys will
like it. It'll still be business as usual. We're not

(19:54):
gonna miss a beat or anything. Now. I know I
have have some listeners that are we're concerned about you
because I did the Monday show and you had went
to urgent care and all of that. So I want

(20:16):
to give you the floor right now. I mean, even
though I had kind of left things with Oh, okay,
she's home now, and I guess I'll talk to her
and get more details find out what's going on. But
you know, they know the main gist. But you know,
if you want to maybe just for those that maybe
didn't check out Monday, let them know what's going on

(20:37):
with your health wise. I'm sure they'll appreciate it. I
know for for sure, those that you know wondering and
hoping you're okay.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Well, first, thank you, uh in reference to your care
and concern that I do really appreciate that. For me,
there's been a few weeks of just honestly, guys, feeling
unwell and you know this ache or this pain or

(21:07):
this this or that. What I was mainly what usually
concerns me quite a bit, is we you know when
I have uh, for lack of better for lack of
better term, shortness of breath or what feels like shortness
of breath. And so I said, you know, it's truly

(21:29):
time for me to start, you know, taking care of
me and stop messing around with us.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
So basically I said, okay, I have to do this test.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Let me push that up, which, for those of you
who kind of know what this test entails, I had
to go back and do a stress test.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Basically, it's, okay, lack of better.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Terms, you walk and exercise and see if your heart
does anything flunky.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
So basically I walked.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Nothing happened as far as anything out of the ordinary.
Everything was fine, chest X ray was fine, every test imaginable,
guys was fine.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
That they did.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
They saw nothing and said, well, if there's anything that
could resemble the symptoms that you're having, then it's probably
acid reflux or gird And I actually have you know,
my mom has a history of that and has had
it for years and for myself on and off, I've

(22:41):
also had it as well. So I said, okay, I said, well,
we'll go ahead and add another medication onto the repertoire.
So found out a couple of weeks ago that my
thybroid has been deciding that it, you know, wants to
tap out, so it needs a little help. So there

(23:04):
is some medication there. But the funny this is a
funny guys. But all in all, before I get into
the very quick funny story, all in all, my health
has seemed to be better. I am intentionally trying to
take care of me and what I eat, what I
put into my body. I'm nowhere near perfect nowhere, you know,

(23:29):
nowhere near where I need to be as far as
what I'm putting in to fuel me.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
But I'm getting there.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
So and then exercising and doing some stuff that you
know I haven't done and sometimes.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
So now let me jump in real quick, because I
need people to really understand the full context of this.
How TAM's ended up doing these tests and all that
because the great old mission that she is just glossing over,
which was freaking me the fuck out. She to me,

(24:01):
and I'll never forget this it was Monday afternoon, and
she calls me and she says something along the lines of, oh,
my father had another one of those episodes. Huh yeah,
he wandered off somewhere and now there's a certain block

(24:22):
of time that's unaccounted for. Oh shit, but but police
found him. Oh damn. Okay, well great, that's great. And
then she's telling me how she's having these weird chest pains,
shortness of breath, and this is something that has been

(24:42):
recurring off and on for a couple of weeks. And
she's telling me how she's feeling like she's about to
pass out. And I'm thinking to myself, Okay, it's it's
your diabetes. She's like, no, no, no, my eon want to
see us fine, Like she doesn't even have diabetes. I'm like, hey,
fucking a, whatever's going on with you? Give me that

(25:02):
gene because I would love it if I didn't have
I didn't love it if I didn't have diabetes. I
know there'd be a trade off though, But but she's
complaining to me, and I'm thinking to myself, Okay, that's
not good. That's not good. And she swears she's having
these irregular heartbeats and all that.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
What it feels like guys, right, And so I'm like.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Why are you playing around with this? She was supposed
to make a doctor's appointment weeks back. Well, she kept
putting it off, putting it off, putting it off, and
then finally she's like, oh, yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm
I'm gonna go to urgent care after work. I'm like,
after work. That's like the most craziest, gangstish, stupidest shit

(25:46):
I ever heard in my life. Right, Okay, I'm not
saying you're stupid. I'm saying the act of, you know,
not listening to your boy. Yeah, you know, I kind
of have this tangling pain going on the entire rights
of my body. I can't really quite pick up my arm,
but yeah, you know, just hey, I gotta go back
to work. Like, nah, man, listen to your fucking body.

(26:11):
So I just had to put that in there because
you just you know, oh you know, yeah, just trying
to take better. No, no, no, nah, nah, you fucking
scared the shit out of me, and I didn't appreciate that.
She ends it. She ends it by telling me she's
gonna go to urgent care, and I'm like, are you
sure you're okay, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm trying, like,

(26:34):
don't play around, look like, look work you drop like
they can just replace you, so you gotta look out
for yourself. Yeah yeah, okay, Well call me if anything
weird changes and you know, a by it being a boy,
the boom, fast forward and all that other good stuff.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yeah, pretty much, guys, That's that's how it happened.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
So the gist of in reference to, you know, just
elaborating just a little bit on what Lee was saying is,
if you guys haven't ever heard or which I'm sure
you have, workaholic is almost an understatement, and especially on

(27:19):
that particular day when I didn't have any coverage to
relieve me. Is the reason why I'm like, yeah, this
is why i'm feeling. But I think I'm okay. And
y'all go after work, oh yeah, calling me for treatment plan.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
I'll talk to you later. Wait and he's like no,
wait a minute, like no, I really.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Gotta go by so yeah, and then I proceeded to
which I'm not sure I told you this actually, And
I'll tell the listeners. I'll tell the listeners because they'll
get a smile on their faces. I'm sure that Lee
will have one in the studio. So I get there

(28:06):
and I tell the nurse the symptoms and this, that
and the third and we go over we do EKG
and that looked okay and no real issue and so
on and so forth.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
She said, so, how.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Long is this then going on?

Speaker 5 (28:19):
I said, oh, off and on about two weeks.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
You know, basically, guys, would you deserve? And so she
gets all the information.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
She said, so you want to tell me how long
it's going to take your job to replace you?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (28:32):
On her and Harby, She's like, yeah, and you have
family at home that would actually miss you. Yeah, and
so next time you're gonna do what like, yeah, I
guess that's what I'll be doing. So, you know, so

(28:53):
I got a little bit of a ride act on
that too. Well deserved, guys, well deserved. I just didn't
see a way out of it. And the person that
could have relieved me was an hour and a halfway.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
I'll say this as we segue. The most important thing
is that you're okay. I'll say this as we segue.
And this is a message and I've said this time
and time again often on during the years on this
show folks, Hey, nobody going to look out for you
and your health when it comes to your employer. You've
got to do that your damn self. God's the honest truth.

(29:32):
And I'm not telling you something that I haven't done myself.
I have left a job a few times, the rarest
times I have left a job in the middle of
a shift where physically it just it was not possible
for me to work. I did not care. I did

(29:56):
not care. All I knew was, Hey, if you want
to give me the riot Act and all that, that's
all fine and dandy. But RUSSA Shore, the next time
you see my black ass, I'm gonna have a doctor's
note all that stuff. So you can't even try to,
oh he's just faking or or whatever. Now you're gonna

(30:16):
you're gonna not only are you gonna see my doctors
know you're gonna see the diagnosis, right, and you're gonna
see you're gonna see all that loveliness. So yeah, I
don't play around. This is like, you're no good to
yourself and anybody else if you fucking drop dead. God's
the honest truth. You're no good to nobody. Ah, But yeah,

(30:38):
that that you know, way way to stress your brother out.
So anyway, weekend's been pretty good. I was out on
the road for a little bit. And for those of
you that's a little bit curious, I know. I told
you guys last week, well, I will be going to
DC for the next three years. My work ended up
taking me. Don't ask me how, but somehow I ended

(30:59):
up going through DC for about ninety minutes. I was
hanging out there and I decided to pull a wheres ice,
where's the military? And I'm driving around and I'm there's
work related. But I'm driving around and I'm going, oh, bet,

(31:22):
I know if I go hit up Martin Luther King Avenue, Southeast. Shit,
I'm I'm gonna see some ice. I'm gonna see some troops.
I'm gonna see Yeah, I ain't talking about no ice. Ice, baby,
I'm gonna see ice, right. I wanna see the DEA
d E. I I gonna see all these motherfuckers, man, op,
I would see all the motherfuckers. Man, I ain't seen

(31:46):
now one goddamn motherfucker. I ain't see nobody. I was
even up.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
In the guys. This is this is overnight.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
This is overnight. This is like after one in the morning,
I ain't see nobody. Okay, So apparently what's going on
is show and tell, and it's mainly happening, you know,
kind of kind of close to the White House, kind
of close over there to some really nice nice parts

(32:22):
just you know, wow, where it's needed the most, though,
where it's needed the most. Nah, business as usual. Yeah,
so you know my people out there, well you ain't
exactly my people, but to the people out there southeast
and all there, you like slinging your rocks and you're

(32:43):
like pimping your hoes and all that other shit, you
ain't got to be like, oh shit, Trump, business as usual.
They're not in your they're not in your jurisdiction. They're
in the white areas. I mean, I was shocked.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
I was actually shocked when you told me that you
didn't see anybody.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
I literally was actually shocked.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
You see a motherfucking souls gonna see somebody?

Speaker 5 (33:17):
Even more shocking. Well, maybe I shouldn't say that.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
It's surprising that you're going to make all this hoopla,
you know, and do to dance, but yet when crime
really happens, which is overnight, either that or they just
got people scared.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
I'm not sure which.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Overnight, but then nobody, I mean like nobody, and then
oh well, we need to protect and preserve these areas.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
But everybody else, can you know, kill themselves?

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Well I did see some I guess hookers or strippers
and some soldier military inspired gear. I don't know if
that kind of counts. There's a new poll.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Pretty sure that doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
There's a new poll that just came out where just
seventeen percent of DC residents support the federalization of law
enforcement under this new crackdown. And meanwhile, you got a
media tug Award that's emerged where the White House is
releasing polished, militaristic video showing arrests and security as public

(34:35):
safety wins, while you got many DC residents out here
that are countering that with these clips of everyday life
and celebrations of Washington as a love letter to the city.
So you still have it, guys. I bring this up

(34:55):
because it is truly a phenomenon for all the wrong
reasons of our nation's capital. Okay. I can't tell you
how many people that I know from other states, other
cities and they're like, Lee, how are you coping Matt like,
I'm not coping at all. I'm embarrassed. It sucks that

(35:16):
this shit is going on, but it's going on. The
DC US Attorney's Office, led by Janine Perrot, announced the
policy change, which this is gonna definitely impact you all
in your respected neck of the woods. Federal prosecutors will
no longer automatically bring felony charges for mere possession of

(35:41):
rifles and shotguns. Felony charges will remain possible if the
weapons are used in violent incidents or owned by individuals
with criminal backgrounds. So you all may be saying to yourselves,
Lee kind of lost on that one. Does this matter? Like,

(36:01):
even if it's a case where I live outside of DC, Well,
it's definitely an impact on local transit and safety when
you think about it.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
Because it sounds like it's a you.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Know, card and carry correct and with spikes and security
presence and evolving enforcement both residents and those businesses in DC.
I think food delivery drivers are navigating now on a
different landscape. You can expect checks, closures, new routes. Right.

(36:35):
You've also got to look at things from a media
scrutinium and from a political theatric standpoint as the city
has become the epic center of a visual and political
messaging war. Okay, and with these changes in how weapons
are prosecuted, make no mistake about it. For you all

(36:59):
and your respected regions. I'm concerned about New York City.
I'm concerned about New Jersey. I'm concerned just as I
kind of briefly touched upon last week. You know, y'all
may be saying, oh, I ain't got nothing to worry about.
Y'all need to worry because especially if you made, especially

(37:23):
if you made this particular president and his administration shit list,
and now it's all about a little bit of retribute
because because he's petty like that, he's petty like that.
So not to get too political, but just that's some
of the craziness that's going on here. But I thought
it was pretty.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
It's funny how many let me find out all this
messes k Fabe.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Speaking of k Faith, Speaking of k Fape, it's funny
that you mentioned k Fame. Shout out the Killer Cross
and Scarlet. They crashed the nd scene. They appear at
the GCW homecoming Night one, turning on mac Cardona Nice
return to the Independent scene. The free agency as I'd

(38:14):
like to call it, and everything I'm very happy for them.
Cross is continuing to put phenomenal work out there through
his social media outlets. He just released the full trailer
for his upcoming independent movie Looks really good. I mean,

(38:35):
everything is just on the up and up. If you
guys have not seen the latest promo that he put out,
go check it out. It's worth a laugh. He's playing
this little, tiny violin, so basically he's given himself a
pity party. And the whole gest of his promo segment,

(38:55):
well it was pre produced him a scar. They're like
backstage somewhere and he basically says, all right, I'm done
throwing myself a pity party. Obviously it's not happening, so
fuck it. I guess that's his way of saying, Hey,
wwe wanted to come back to the table, like I'm
still here, like y'all ain't interested? Okay, fuck it right? Yeah,

(39:21):
you know, I never did really ask you, and I
don't know if I asked you last week or just
in general, but what did you think overall based on
the little bit that you had saw over the years,
at least this last rodeo of carry and cross and scarlet.
Do you feel that's a that's a huge loss for

(39:43):
WWE or do you feel it's a case where no
WWE is actually gonna be fine. Because before anybody says, dude,
he's like forty forty one, forty two, it's like, and
how old was Damien Priest when he became champion? And
how old was aj Styles when he became champion? I'll
go more recent, how old was John Cena when he

(40:05):
just became the seventeen times WWE champion?

Speaker 5 (40:11):
That was homage but still a good character run.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
And it's a compounded question I'm asking you because you
even have those that are like, wait a minute, if
I had to pick between some guys like Deadly, what's
that tag team that's running around, they look like the
ambiguously gay duo Pretty Deadly. That's their name, Pretty Deadly.

(40:41):
They got long black hair, blonde hair. They got these
weird transparent braziers that they I swear it's Brazil. I
don't know what else you call it. But they come
out and they're doing a very light version of Billy
and Chuck. Look that up for those of you that

(41:02):
don't know you're rustling. But They remind me of Chuck
Palumbo and Billy Gunn when they used to do. They
had their own ambiguously gay duo gimmick back in the day,
and it was over with the fans big time, especially
when they had Rico as their manager and everything. I
love the shit out of those guys back in the day.
But if I had to take my pick of Okay,

(41:24):
do I want carry and cross and scarlet or do
I want do I want pretty deadly and see before
anybody of the LGBTQ plus community comes at me and goes, hey, hey, hey, hey,
I loved what Sonya Deville was doing. I actually am
a fan of Oh. I can't think of his name

(41:48):
right now. His name will come to me, but he
does the big gay brunch wrestling events. His name will come.
His name will come to me when Tam starts talking here.
But what do you what do you make so for me.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
As a casual well yeah, at this point it's it's
pretty casual wrestling watcher.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Hm.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
I never see enough of him or why I'm not
going to now, but prior I never saw enough.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Of Himie, I don't know why I blanked out.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
That's the wrestler I never saw enough of him to
essentially give you a gauge because it was like, oh,
carrying Crosses on.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Okay, and that was that.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
And to be honest with you, now Scarlett, I really
never saw much of her stuff either, So I can't
be a great judge on something that I haven't really
seen a whole lot of. I mean, I know it's
a major name for them, for sure, but there's so

(43:01):
many things that are in WWE. Now, guys, that's interchangeable,
and they're making it interchangeable that all right, you know what, Yeah,
you're a top guy, but I can find another driver,
didn't I can find another major name.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
I kind of figured TAM's was gonna answer that question
or those questions that way. There was no trick answer
because no, no, no, Just for the record, there was
no trick answer because you touched upon something that there
is definitely a core audience that has that same mindset

(43:40):
as you, which is well, I can't really feel a
particular way about Crossing Scarlett being released because the times
that I've been trying to watch the product, I haven't
seen them on my TV, So I can't really form
an opinion either way. And then you have have those

(44:01):
that have seen his work in WWE, They've seen all
the incarnations, and they've gone even all the way up
to his release, they've gone, ah, well, I don't really
particularly care for what I'm seeing here regardless, and then
you have the vast majority. Yo, this was his best run.
He was finally starting to kill it and now you guys.

(44:26):
So it's interesting seeing some of the responses that's been
coming in. Now you touched upon something where WW is
interchangeable and we can replace you. Speaking of replacing, we
got these rumors that's running around about Chris Jericho potentially
coming back to the WWE. Everything basically spawned from some

(44:49):
person on social media posting basically how they missed Jericho
or hey, it'd be great to see Jericho back in
the WWE, and not Chris Jericho's own account, but basically
from what I understand, the Fozzy account had like that post.

(45:13):
And by the way, I'm curious how many of you
guys still have Fozzy following you all on Twitter. I'll
never forget. There was one album that was released. I
can't think of the name of the album right now,
but I think it had like maybe an atomic bomb
or something on the front cover. I can't really remember.

(45:33):
It came with a bandana, ye, a Fozzy bandana. Yes,
we went to best Buy as a matter of fact
to get that album. I was so excited that day.
And basically the way Fozzy operated, if you took a
picture of yourself with that album, they gave you a
follow and they didn't do no no Indian joint you,
no Indian take back, they didn't. I'm sorry, is that

(45:56):
too politically incorrect to say in twenty twenty five they
weren't an Indian giver?

Speaker 5 (46:01):
Is that since you're definitely.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Since we can't say Washington Redskins, you know, I gotta
replace that word somehow. But anyway, y'all get the gist.
And Fozzy was ended up following people. So I'm curious
how many of you guys still have Fozzy following you guys?

Speaker 5 (46:23):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah, Fozzy still follows me to this day. Yeah, they
still follow me to this day. So Jericho the Fozzy
account basically like that post, and that's basically sparked a
lot of So Jericho's contract allegedly is set to expire
December twenty twenty five. That has sparked a whole lot

(46:45):
of what's up. Yeah, Yeah, it'd be great to have Jericho.
And I can't help but ask a question before we
go any further, really, would it really be good to
have Jericho back in the ww Because I touched upon
this Monday, but I definitely want to get your thoughts
just at the idea, how if it was up to

(47:07):
you as a fan, how you would properly utilize Jericho.
But for me personally, I don't want to be long
winded because I gave my thoughts about the Jeracho situation already.
But for me personally, the only way I could even
entertain Jericho as a wrestler again, I need like a

(47:29):
two year plan with Jericho. I want Jericho under a
two year contract. The first year it is all about
reintroducing him to the WWE universe. I would kind of
give him almost a similar CM punk style type of run.
That's how I would do him. And then that second year,

(47:49):
I am all about retiring him as an injuring competitor
and from there let him transition to being wanted the
coaches or whatever. But I'm not seeing anything as far
as like a five year plan or as far as

(48:09):
wrestling that's just me. But we'll say you.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Let's say you, well, in what I've seen.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
In previous times, you know, where he's come back, you
have a great pop in the first month, maybe even two,
and then after month five to nine, maybe a year,

(48:40):
that pop fades, or at least that's what I have
witnessed in the times of his return, especially within the
last few times. You know, to where, wasn't it something
you were saying the last time it was kind of

(49:02):
like this is bad in reference to well, I mean,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
Hasn't he lost quite a bit of weight since?

Speaker 1 (49:15):
No, if anything, Jericho has gained. He doesn't look as
bad as before, because I remember we watched him on
some eating show. He's not that big, but he has gained.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
Well.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
To finish off my part about what I would do
whether he should come back, I think I really do
believe that, yes, it's gonna be great for a pop,
and it's gonna be great for a little bit, But

(49:54):
then I feel.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Like without the proper back.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
And possibly story changing, he is going to fade out
again and then something will happen or this will happen
or that will happen or whatever.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
The reasons that he's leaving. You sound you sound very
uh I'm conflicted. Yeah, I'm conflicted.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Now are you guys picking up are you guys picking
that up from her? She's sounding a little she's having
a hard time wrestling with this one.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
And I am, because I'll be honest with you. When
I first read it, I thought, Okay, well, if they're
bringing him back to retire him, Okay, that makes sense.
If they're bringing him back to have him do another run,

(50:52):
then why you know? I mean, it's like, okay, well,
am I just really gonna hop between this you know company,
to that company, to this company to that company.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Okay, Okay, So all right, let me be Devil's advocate.
So that's that's my okay, okay, So let me have
you answer it this way. Let me have you answer
it this way. Jericho's contract is up in December. You're
working with w w ee. Okay, do you make a

(51:27):
power move to bring Jericho back?

Speaker 5 (51:31):
No?

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Why not? H Age, ain't nothing but the number. Well, well,
hang on because I'm just picturing r. Kelly tapping me
on the shoulder. Wait man, and I'm picturing Diddy on
the other side with the Angel Okay, put age to

(51:59):
the side. What else you got? Why would you As
far as why would you say no to Jericho?

Speaker 5 (52:13):
For me, I don't see enough there.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Enough, what enough substance as far as the character.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
As far as the character in reference to the portrayal,
I mean, I see enough there for a glimmer, but
I don't see a sustainability. So I mean, if you're,
you know, looking for that pop and you're looking to
put asses and seats for about six months, okay, but sustainability,
I don't see that.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Okay. Now there's this idea that's flowing around.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Because if you do one more retirement train, then it's
going to look like the geriatric.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
WW Okay, let me be Devil's Advocate. WWE doesn't really
have that many more big names. I mean, look, they're
getting ready to retire John Cena, which we'll talk more
about on the Monday show. But they're getting ready to

(53:15):
retire John Cena. We now know Saturday Night's main event.
What's that December whatever the day is, twelve or thirteenth,
that's when it's all going to be going down. Okay.
We just saw Bill Goldberg get okayment no telling how
much longer, we're going to be seeing brock Lesnar true. Okay,

(53:35):
so your list of legends is running pretty thin. Okay,
so the idea that you could have access to a
Chris Jericho again, Okay, what do you think about the
idea of Jericho possibly being on screen character mainly like

(53:59):
maybe be in the role of a GM or something.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
You could do that Chris is a great mouthpiece.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, Now would you have him permanently be a mouthpiece
or would you do it in such a way where
when he first comes back, he's a mouthpiece for X
amount of months as your way of slowly reintroducing him
back to the WWE universe or do you feel that's

(54:29):
not even needed because today's ww wrestling fans are smarter
than that. These are the same wrestling fans that happen
to watch aw and it's obvious they're watching other promotions too.
Do you just jump right into him, see to your point?
See to your point? There sizzle on that stake for

(54:50):
the first little bit. Oh yeah, And I think he
would be a prime example of what ultimately happened with
the Hardys when they came back to the WW the
last Rodeo, the first couple of months were good, and
then they decided to try to split them up. And
then Matt Hardy started doing his broken gimmick, and that

(55:15):
was good for a hot cup of coffee. And then
the next thing, you know, it just seemed like the
Hardys were just going through the motion and then we
saw them both eventually leave WWE.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
I think you pulled the trigger and essentially put him back.
I don't think the wwuniverse needs reintroductions. Nope, he has
been gone that long and he hasn't even been gone
from wrestling because on the opponent or come a semi
competitor company. He's been there. So it's not like, Okay,

(55:52):
well we don't know who Chris Jericho is. That's definitely
not the case. I think you can pull the trig
and bring him back and do some spots for sure.
Now him as a mouthpiece.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
So what you mentioned earlier, which.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
To man I mentioned earlier, may not be a bad idea.
Can you imagine picture it? Can you imagine him as
like a manager, but not so him and Paul Hayman
battling it out.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
For their people.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
That would be pretty good, you know, just because of well,
let me push back on that this is Chris Jericho.
We're talking about Chris Jericho. For lack of better words,
he looks as he looks at himself like a David
Lee Roth type of character. Yes, so he's always got

(56:57):
to be the lead in something and not necessarily a
side piece. I still feel all these days later that
as we get ready to segue, what this is going
to come down to is what is Chris Jericho willing
to sacrifice in order to get back with the WWE.

(57:19):
And what I mean by that is, is he willing
to sacrifice the Jericho Cruz or or try to figure
out some type of way that he can tap into
WWE's talent pool, their contacts with Triple A, TNA Pro Wrestling. Noah,

(57:41):
you know, evolve like is he going to be able
to tap into all of those contacts to replace because,
making no mistake about it, he's going to lose that
access to Tony Kahn's Okay, I mean that's that's that's
a no brainer. And I'm sure I'm sure will be like, look, yeah,

(58:02):
we don't want no conflict of ventures here, Like you're
gonna do the Jericho Cruise. You got to use our people,
So would they because see, you can make an argument
that Okay, Chris, we've seen you for the pass. The
cruise has been in effect now what five maybe almost
six years now at least for sure five for short

(58:23):
for short five cruises we did. We did the triple, right.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
So that means it was two before when we did
and it's been almost five years.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Yeah, so that should be okay. Basically, my whole point is, hey,
we've seen you. You've done enough of these cruises, and
I'm sure Jericho could show them the analytics now and
be like, look, this is how much we made each
and every single year and WW right now they are
playing chess.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Imagine what the amount on those cruises would be exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
So if he is able to convince wwee kind of
pulling the carrying cross. Here's the analytics. Okay, but still
WW could easily push back and say, nah, we don't
really want to dip into those waters.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Didn't he recked? Didn't he bring this up that he
tried years before?

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Yes, yes, because he did.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
He brought that up on the cruise and the Q
and A that he had tried.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
And got shot a right, So now he's going to
be able to come back with all his data, and
the question is will WWE finally bite or will they
push back? And if they pushed back, okay, that's one
less thing that Jericho is going to be able to
do as a vanity side project. Okay, what about Fozzy? See,

(59:47):
I think for Fozzy fans, y'all ain't got nothing to
worry about. I think whenever he needs to do something
with Fozzy, history has shown way back when he was
with WWE anytime, no issues right there. But how much
you're not.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
Going to fill up a whole shift Forzz fans?

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
No, no, no, no, no, no, Fozzy. I'm dealing with separate.
The cruise are separate, Fozzy, separate. Okay, Okay. So the
other element too, with this whole Jericho mix is when
it's all said and done, how much are you willing
to say? Okay, I don't need any of these things.

(01:00:27):
I'll take that WWE money, I'll take that you know,
I'll do those premium appearances. Let me take my ass
to Saudi Arabia for that big hefty pay day. I
this is where I'm conflicted, because it seems that his
bread is buttered more with Tony Khan and ae W Now,

(01:00:53):
if the reports are true that Tony Kahan and Jericho
aren't really seeing eye to eye these days, maybe, honestly,
maybe Jericho is having a little bit of buyer's remorse.
I would love to be a fly on the wall
and see some of these aew contracts, because when it's
all said and done, I'm sure Tony Khan is all

(01:01:16):
over paying. There is Oh, you were such a great
cab driver. Thank you for picking me up in the rain.
And I know you only drove me for about ten minutes,
but I'm gonna give you an extra five dollars. Here
you go. Thanks. And then there's Tony Khan. Hey, that
was really great what you did for me. Here's one

(01:01:36):
thousand dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
I would love to see what's going on with Tony
Khan there. But if Tony Khan is finally starting to
get to that point where he's like, I'm paying some
of these people, including Chris Jergy visas like way too
much for not a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Yeah, and that is how he is going to grow AW.
That's how AW is going to stay in business, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
But as far as his extra ventures and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Whatever other side projects he has, yeah, I don't necessarily
think he's going to be able to continue to keep
those on in play going in back into WWE full
time and or you know, how would he be able
to rewrite that story for the Jericho cruise.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
We already know Fozzi's a lock and that's where have you?

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
But is it you know, Jericho and friends, because he's
you know, maybe pulling some of the wrestlers from the
indie circuit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Like careful, careful, careful, I'm picturing that guy you're repeating,
you're repeating.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Well, I was getting ready to say, essentially, because the
cruise would have to maybe have some indie wrestlers like
you're carrying Cross or something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
In reference to whether or not WWE be used.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I gotta be the word for today or words for
today is Devil's Advocate? Because we know WWE, they would
likely tell Jericho it. Okay, See, this cruise aspect is
very interesting, and I'm very curious how you all are
picturing this whole cruise thing going down, because look, you

(01:03:28):
and I both know, as well as many other veteran
wrestling fans know, those that try to smarten themselves up
about the business and everything WWE is notorious for going
you want our stars to make a public appearance where
and they have a list of who they deem is

(01:03:49):
safe and who they feel yes, stay the hell away.
So I can imagine with that cruise those rules would
definitely apply. So you talk about the independence, and I
mean I could see WWE pushing back just a little bit.
So for example, Killer Cross carrying across, I could see

(01:04:12):
WWE going, no, you can't, you can't have him on
the cruise. And even if Jerko's like, but he didn't
do anything wrong to me, like why, what's the problem.
I could hear WWE going because people would perceive that
as he is working for us somehow, and we don't

(01:04:34):
want to put that type of image out there right. No, No,
So this would be very as far as the ecosystem goes,
I highlighted it earlier. As far as the promotions that
WWE already has a working relationship with, I have a
feeling that unless it's unless you're talking about somebody somehow

(01:04:59):
in that eco system or potentially potentially somebody that a
group with NWWE has been given the green light and
they've looked at a couple of indie names that are
safe and they can just almost kind of treat like

(01:05:19):
the May Young classic so to speak. That No, it's
going to be, and even at that, it's going to
be a very short, tight leash on the amount of
independent names outside of that ecosystem that would even be
on that cruise. Putting a pretty little ribbon on this

(01:05:41):
because I want to get to the main meat and potatoes. Again,
the question needs to be asked, how much are you
willing to sacrifice in order to go back to this company?
What are you willing to even on the table and
say okay for the next two three years this is

(01:06:05):
on hiatus, and I'm okay with that. And I just
don't see him being that type of individual. I love
shaw Day. Stay with me. This sounds like a one
to eighty, but it's not. I love shaw Day every
time shaw Day, no matter how long it is in

(01:06:26):
between albums, anytime shaw Da is ready to make new music.
She's had the same band members for like decades or whatever.
One of the band mates I can't think of his
name right now, but when it came to Shawdet's last album,

(01:06:47):
you know, he had his own company. He was CEO
owner or some shit. I mean, he had a high
ranking job getting paid like good money six figures. Do
was living a life Okay, I ain't really thought about
music whatever, making music. Ain't really thought about like years

(01:07:08):
upon years. Chawdat's like, Yo, I'm ready to go back
into the studio. I need you. Dude didn't even fucking hesitate.
Dude didn't even fucking hesitate. He said, I'm there, Name
the time, name the place. He walked away from the
job for shaw Day. He walked away from the job. Wow,

(01:07:33):
So that tells me, Wow, you have you must really
have high respect for shaw Day. You must really, you know,
you must really. I don't see Chris Jericho being that
type of person. No, right, so so.

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
I see that. Let's make a deal.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
But yeah, no fun fact for you guys too. I
think it was the first two albums. Shaw Day's band
members actually worked on Maxwell's debut album and I think
the sophomore album. Nice, fun, fun little fact for you.

(01:08:17):
So let's talk about this this Maine meet and potatoes here,
oh real quick shout out to Pete Dunn. Pete Dunn
had made a mysterious opinion appearance in London. He was
at UK indie show coming to the aid of a
fellow wrestler. We got fans speculating that he's one of

(01:08:39):
the Max characters that's been seen on w W RAW recently.
Also going back to that Jericho thing one last time, leave.
I gotta give mad kudos to ww social media team
because they've been trolling people with their Vault series on YouTube.
They posted vintage footage of Chris Jericho being fired back

(01:09:03):
in two thousand and five. Yeah, so nice way of
doing a little bit of trolling and all that going on.
I don't know why. John Moxley dude is under contract
with AW until twenty twenty seven, so it's nice to
fantasy book, but y'all please stop. He's got a couple

(01:09:26):
more years to go, and the way things are looking
right now, he ain't going nowhere, which, by the way,
the AW Forbidden Card should be a pretty good show.
Will I be doing a post show? Hell no, I'm
gonna be making my money. I'd rather make my money.
I gotta make as much money as I can right
now because I need my supplies and I'm trying to

(01:09:47):
get this e scooter or e bike. So yeah, I
will definitely catch it on the back burner once the
event is over and I'll definitely sound off on the event. Hopefully,
if I can't, I'll sound off on it by Monday. Show.
Rajah Jackson, let's get into this bad boy this may
meet and Potatoes while we're while we're even mainly doing

(01:10:11):
this show, I was looking forward to talking about this.
Is your phone still working? I don't know it's okay,
So let's set this up properly for people and deal
with all the information as we have it right now.
So Raja Jackson, who is the son of former UFC

(01:10:33):
light heavyweight champion Quentin Rampage Jackson. I remember this guy
from his TNA days and that's all I got to say.
I choose to forget. So the Sun has pursued combat
sports training in MMA, trying to step into the pro circuit.

(01:10:56):
He goes by the nickname the Clone, not t You
know how you're watching your little football games and all that.
Lee Andrews d Ohio State University. Yeah. So he's got
an MMA record right now, well of zero and one
last fighting August of twenty twenty three. If that needs

(01:11:19):
to be updated, let me know fam. So he competed
in the lightweight division and is associated with Team body
Shop Mma out in Los Angeles, so at a wrestling
event out in California called KNOCKEX Pro Wrestling. This event

(01:11:41):
has streamed on kick And During this show, Roger allegedly
entered the ring mid match and violtly violently attacked wrestler
Stuart Smith ring name Psycho Stu, lifting him overhead slamming him.

(01:12:03):
And the way this guy landed, he landed on his head.
I mean I got a sneeze. Hopefully the sneeze false alarm.
I'm good. The way that Rajah did this, he was not.

(01:12:25):
It was poorly executed. I'll talk a lot more about it,
but it was poorly executed, and then proceeded to get
on top of Psycho Stu. One cycle Stu was laid
out on the ground on his back, got on top
of him and laid over twenty legit punches to the

(01:12:47):
head of Stu, who appeared to be knocked out. He
was already knocked out from the slam. Wow. Yeah, so
the assault definitely unscripted. Psycho Stu was hospitalized with serious
injuries last I checked, and you guys can let me know.

(01:13:13):
Of course, when Tams gives her thoughts on this whole thing.
I'll see if I can dig up the latest news.
But we all can work together while we're all live
for this next little bit and everything. But last update
was apparently Psycho Stu is awake and Stable Raja has
been banned by kick, the streaming platform that aired the incident. Meanwhile,

(01:13:41):
his father, Rampage Jackson. I actually watched the video when
Rampage and one of his colleagues was live streaming something.
I don't know what they were doing, but you can
see Rampage check his phone in real time as he
finds out what his son did, and he's like, I

(01:14:01):
hope this is a work because I know some things.
But yeah, I mean, he looks pretty stunned and the
stream his stream abruptly ended. I guess he wanted to
find out what the hell was going on.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
And I guess he figured out it wasn't a.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Work, but he had this to say, I want to
clear up the misinformation about my son Roger. I've been
confirmed that the wrestler Stuart Smith aka Psycho Stu is
Awake and Stable Roger was unexpectedly hit in the side

(01:14:35):
of the head. Should be on the side of the
head by him Moments before Smith's attack Smith's match, Roger
was told that he could get his payback in the ring.
I thought it was part of the show. It was
bad judgment and a work that went wrong. Roger is
an MMA fighter, not a pro wrestler, and had no

(01:14:58):
business involved in an event like this. I don't condone
my son's actions at all. He suffered a concussion from
sparring only days ago and had no business doing anything
remotely close to physical contact. As a father, I'm deeply
concerned with his health and the well being of mister Smith.

(01:15:21):
That being said, I'm very upset that any of this happened,
but my main concern now is that mister Smith will
make a speedy recovery. I apologize on behalf and to
kick for the situation. Shout out to Sean Ross's sap,
he said, based on what he's heard, the spot with

(01:15:44):
Roger Jackson at Knockex Pro Wrestling was planned. However, Roger
Jackson knocked the person now ring named Psycho Stu and
followed up with a lot of heavy punches to cycle.
Stu were not planned to do that kind of damage.
Stew was rushed to the hospital with serious injuries, working

(01:16:05):
to fight out more and yeah, Miro Rusef. He had
this to say in regards to Psycho Stu, saying, quote,
I've known and trained with Psycho Stu for fifteen years.
He is a former US Army veteran and amazing guy.
There are no excuses for what happened in the ring,

(01:16:27):
praying for a strong kickout. Now what I want for
you to look at TAM's and I want to give
a shout out because I promised him I was going
to give him a shout out. It was a disturbing video,
but I appreciate seeing this video. I did not retweet

(01:16:50):
or heart this because it's very disturbing to watch. And
I would agree that anybody that is sharing this on
their social media outlets like Look, don't get me wrong, folks,
You're talking to somebody that, at the end of the day,
is a social media strategist. I am a social campaign

(01:17:15):
manager for multiple outlets. I've done it hell. Part of
the work that I had did at the Capitol Emmys
a couple of weeks ago for out Here in DC,
I was in charge of social media content trying to
figure out how to engage folks and all that. So
I get it as far as wanting the engagement, wanting

(01:17:38):
the clicks, but you got to know where to draw
the line. And with what had happened right here, this
was very disturbing. So let me show you, and I'm
gonna mute the volume here so Tabs, because Tabs hasn't
even seen the video yet. I shared with her the

(01:17:58):
fact that I shared with her the fact that I
was going to be bringing this up on the show.
And I told her, I said, go check out the link,
and the link didn't open up for her. So I'm
going to have her watch that. And while she's doing that,
look the footage of what I've seen with this young man.

(01:18:24):
I don't know why Tarrusef slash Murro's point about how
he's trained and all that he's known Psycho Stu for
fifteen years and all that. This is what I don't understand.
When Roger Jackson tried to pick this dude up, why
didn't Psycho ste say to him or somehow get word

(01:18:49):
to him, or maybe through the referee something, Hey, no,
that's not how you do it. You got to reset.
You're going to hurt him. You got to reset that
otherwise there's gonna be a bad accident waiting to happen.
And then the fact that so many punches, real punches,
had connected, and it just seemed like an eternity before

(01:19:13):
people started jumping in and breaking the whole thing up.
It's just baffling to me. I said this one social media,
just giving my knee jerk reaction to the whole situation,
and my knee jerk reaction to the whole situation, shout

(01:19:35):
out the Dutch man. Tell even Dutch is like, what
the hell happened right here? Even Dutch is even Dutch
is pretty much like, what the hell happened right here?
Don't worry about the audio, Yeah, don't worry. Don't worry
about the audio. The audio, the visual is what you want?

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
No, no, I know? After think yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
WHOA In reference to this video, in where the video starts,
it looks unprovoked and it looks like he's just essentially
coming in and saying I'm gonna go get me some.

Speaker 5 (01:20:24):
And he then proceeds to do just that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
He essentially looks like he's moving a sack of potatos
and then proceeds to beat the hell out of this man.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
And the funny thing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Is is you got people that are trying to come
to the aid of this wrestler and he's just fighting
him off too, like, no, don't touch me. I'm you know,
I'm doing this. And if this was a work in
the sam hell, would you have a UFC fighter with

(01:21:06):
a wrestler well MMA, UFC, you know, Okay, let's say
basically someone who isn't already trained in wrestling their their MMA,
so that if that was a work, that makes no
damn sense.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Well, just for the record, until more information comes out.
Just for the record, they're saying that something was supposed
to happen in the ring between both of these guys
from what Sean Ross Sap and others are reporting. They're
saying Psychostep being slammed and the legit punches that was

(01:21:53):
not part of the plant. So you can make an
argument that this guy he said, actually, I don't know
if you look right like now, there was now there
was some footage that was shown and I didn't give

(01:22:13):
the young the young man credit. Shout out to dot
Sick because he initially has shared the video on line,
and he shared a video prior to that that showed
what he believes is the moment that started at all,
which was and there's video footage of this. Raja was

(01:22:37):
supposed to give a receipt in the ring with a
slam because in the video footage you can see the
other video footage, you can see Psycho, Stu and Raja.
They're trash talking and Stu just takes up I don't

(01:22:57):
know if it's a can of beer or what, but
he just goes upside the head of Roger with it,
and Roger is just standing there like okay, and you
can hear Stu say to him, Damn, you're not gonna
sell that. And apparently Stu says to Roger, don't worry.

(01:23:22):
I'll let you get your comeback later on during the night.
Don't worry about it. And I don't know what the
hell Roger. Definitely there's his side to the story. There's
definitely Stu's side to the story. But look, let me

(01:23:44):
tell you something. When I briefly trained to you know,
try to get into wrestling, and then some of my
friends that have trained and all that, and just the
amount of people that I've known over the years. Yeah,
this is baffling on so many levels because normally there

(01:24:10):
is a understanding normally there is. Okay, so let's sit down.
Let's talk about this match, right, I mean, it's literally
a fucking group project. Okay, let's talk. Let's let's talk
about this match. What are you picturing? Okay, you're gonna okay?
Well yeah, okay, how about we tweak that and instead
we do this. Okay, and let's go ahead, and let's

(01:24:31):
let's throw that in there too. Now take that out.
We'll throw this in okay, bet. And then normally the
referee is brought in. And that referee is when all
else fails. If a wrestler forgets what's supposed to happen,
and that dance of a sequence called a match, they

(01:24:52):
can easily just what are we supposed to do? Oh,
hip toss? There you go, arm drag transition? Like the
referee knows m Okay. The referee, like as I said,
off and on the past couple of months, the referee
is your floor manager, your glorified television floor manager. They

(01:25:14):
let you know how much time you got left for
the match. You know, they let you know if you know, hey, uh,
because even the producer of the match, slash, the booker,
even they're brought into the loop, and even they know
about certain spots that's supposed to happen and everything, so

(01:25:34):
that they can essentially tell the technical team, the camera
crew how they need to be positioned so they can
get certain the shots that they need exactly so to
see somebody go this rogue.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
He looked to me like somebody. This is my perspective, guys,
nobody else. He looked to me like somebody who was
pissed off and ready for get back.

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
Now why you know the what we're when and why?

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
I couldn't tell you. But this didn't look like a work.
It looked like, Okay, I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Knockex Pro Entertainment issued a statement earlier this morning saying,
first and foremost, our thoughts and prayers are with our
brother Stuart Smith, Psycho Stu as he remains a priority
and we are monitoring his well being. What was supposed
to be a planned and agreed upon wrestling spot turned

(01:26:46):
into a selfish, irresponsible act of violence against mister Smith.
This egregious act is reprehensible and never should have occurred. Now,
this is an important point that I want to bring
up here for anybody that's gone. I've never heard of
this promotion before. I've never that's okay, that's okay, but

(01:27:08):
do yourself a favor, especially if you're gonna join in
on the discussion, just do a little research. Everybody's in
the day and age now where they don't really want
to read. I respect that. Open up Gemini, open up
co pilot, open up chat, GPT, and just hey, tell
me about blah blah blah promotion. I say that to

(01:27:29):
say this, here's the last sentence of knock X Pro
Entertainment and Wrestling statement. In the seventeen years of operation
of knock x Pro Wrestling Academy, there has never been
anything as heinous take place such as this, and we

(01:27:49):
apologize to our patreons and fans. So you know there
is there is now for those that's saying, oh, it's
got to be a work. Surely they made some type
of an arrangement, and you know they were looking, who

(01:28:13):
find me a person that would fucking agree to get
slammed on the back of their head. Let me tell
you something, people, and this is real talk. If you've
never been in a wrestling ring and you've never been
slammed on your head, or you've never fallen on the
back of your head. Let me tell you something, it

(01:28:34):
is scary as fuck. I'll never forget the brief little
bit of the time that I was training to be
a wrestler. I remember I did this stupid ass backyard
wrestling match with some friends. It was one of the
dumbest ass decisions that I ever made, because to this day,
I still get the feelings in the back of my

(01:28:55):
neck and in my fingertips at times. I was working
on this damn DDT spot. Fucking DDT spot. I've done
the move like several times, but for some weird reason,
I decided that I was going to really make that

(01:29:19):
DDT look pretty. I was gonna make it look like
I really heard a motherfucker right. I grew up on
Jake the Snake Roberts, so for me, the DDT like
one of the best goddamn finishers there is. So I
do the fucking DDT on my opponent and guess what, wow,

(01:29:40):
I mean, it sounded almost sounded like a goddamn gunshot
went off. I hit the back of my head. It
felt like an eternity getting up because I could not
feel my spine, I could not feel my legs, I
could not feel my arms, and I kept saying to myself,

(01:30:03):
move lee, move, fucking move, fucking move. And finally, I
don't know. You know girl I was dating at the time.
I asked her afterwards. I said, how long was I
on the ground? M And she goes, oh, maybe about

(01:30:27):
maybe about a minute. That didn't look alarming to you, No,
because you both were selling the hell out of you
know what happened? I said, And I told her what happened.
She was like, yeah, you're done wrestling.

Speaker 5 (01:30:42):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
You know it's it is your senses. You're bearing. Like
my whole point, you're defenseless when you're you know, you're
taking a bad move and you're landing on the back
of your head. You ain't automatically getting you got some
cobwebs that's going on. Okay, find me a motherfucker that

(01:31:07):
goes yeah, I'm gonna let you just half ass slam me. Okay.
And I don't know why to roost some whole thing.
Oh I've done this. I've known Stu for fifteen years. Okay,
I'm not trying to blame Stu, but STU should have

(01:31:28):
been like, dude, no, like, this isn't how you do
the move. It somehow should have been communicated to him.
You know, no, this isn't how you do it. I
don't know what you're trying to do, but this isn't
how you do it. Let's reset and you just cold
clock me in the face instead. I'll sell that and

(01:31:48):
that's what should have happened. Not even Mick Foley on
his worst day would be like, yeah, drop me on
my fucking head and then get on top of me
and give me twenty or more good punches to the
head to add insult the injury. Foley was a crazy dude,

(01:32:10):
but he wasn't that damn stupid. He was crazy, but
he wasn't stupid. Big difference agreed, Big difference agreed. So obviously,
you know, if we are to take what knock Sex
is saying and take them at their word, then yeah,
you can make an argument that this dude went in

(01:32:32):
business for himself. This is Travis Scott all over again,
you know, because let's not forget w W. They ultimately decided, yeah,
we don't want anything else to do with Travis Scott.
The reports are they felt that he wasn't picking up
the business. Not to mention, they didn't like how he
how he hurt their their top prize there and Cody

(01:32:55):
Rose and and everything. This makes that look very amateurish.

Speaker 5 (01:33:00):
Oh, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
For all those.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
People out there who are like not you guys as
far as hardcore fans you know, enjoy the product, but
I'm talking about the ones that are the casual people
that don't really understand or don't care to understand the business.

Speaker 5 (01:33:25):
In reference to.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Your job in the ring with your dance partner, is
what this is. It should be your job and your
dance partner's job to not hurt each other.

Speaker 5 (01:33:42):
You Not only do you have to be physically fit.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
And well aware of what you're going to be doing
in the ring to not hurt each other, but you
also also have to be physically fit enough. And not
to say that this dude was not what I'm saying
is it is absolutely a dance and you have to
be physically fit enough to not.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
Get hurt if at all possible.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
And the fact that it was sloppy and he probably
didn't train, then that's on the person who who is
initiating the conversation to essentially start this because protect your

(01:34:35):
talent and if you know that this dude has no
fucking idea what the hell he's doing, Even.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
If it is a short spot. All these athletes.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Train for hours.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
And hours and hours and hours and hours and hours
a day to be able to do what they do.
You can't just go out there and think you can
willy nilly and blam and okay, and you know what,
and that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:35:02):
That's how people get hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Basically, you're supposed to play to your strengths. I mean,
make no mistake about it. I don't think anybody was
looking that's a fan of Roger Jackson's or a fan
of his father. I don't think anybody was looking for
him to go in there and do wrestling moves. Okay,
But at the same time, to your point, hey, y'all

(01:35:27):
gotta make sure you're protecting each other. And yeah, this
is just very unfortunate, especially to hear the notion that
Psycho Stu allegedly apologize for smashing that beer can on
Roger's head, believing it was part of a wrestling angle,

(01:35:49):
and allegedly Roga initially accepted. Well, if that apology was accepted,
then why did things escalate the way that it did
now as it stands, right now, No attempted murder charges
have been reported as of yet, but I would imagine

(01:36:10):
that depending on what happens with student's condition.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
He feels, what his team feels will happen, will then
determine whether or not there's any charges filed. Yeah, but
you know, the other thing is I wonder how, obviously,
with Rampage saying what he said about the fact that
he had a concussion, how that changes the narrative.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Not to mention the fact that Rampage also said in
regards to his son, he's concerned about his mental well being.
I want to make sure, hopefully I did not take
that out of context here. Roger is an Mmm, I'm
courting Rampage again. Roger is an MMA fighter, not a
pro wrestler, and had no business involved in in the

(01:37:00):
like this. I don't condone my son's actions at all.
He suffered a concussion, a concussion from sparring only days ago.
I had no business doing anything remotely close to physical contact.
As a father, I'm deeply concerned with his health and
the well being of mister Smith. Okay, So that's that's

(01:37:21):
the part.

Speaker 5 (01:37:22):
That I was He's talking about the concussion.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Concussion, and yes, he had absolutely no business and if
in fact that was depending on I mean, concussion is
a concussion, but depending on the grain of the concussion.
Because for Lee, he has been in the ring and
you know, doing a couple of spots and training and
what have you. For me, I slipped on black ice

(01:37:48):
and I absolutely banged my head on the concrete. And yes,
I definitely had a concussion and I was wiggy for
about a week.

Speaker 5 (01:37:58):
Yeah, And that's no bull, guys. I was and I
didn't feel right. So I'm sorry. Physical contact no no
no no, no, no, no no no. That that just doesn't
even sound right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
And you know, you never know how hard you hit
and where you hit it what it could affect, you know,
I mean there are things that are you know, up
there in that noggin that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:26):
Control mood, yeah, and attitudes.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
You know, it's very well possible that Roger and his
people did not let the promoters know about everything's good,
every day's absolutely because you can't help. But wonder he probably.

Speaker 5 (01:38:45):
Wanted to minimize it because he saw us fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
Of family, because this is what I'm going to be
looking for in the coming days. Did Roger communicate him
and or his people, his camp, did they communicate to
this promotion, Hey he's got a concussion, we're not really
really or and if they pushed back and we're like,
well give us our money. Then and because you'll have
some promotions when a talent tries to back out, they'll

(01:39:11):
threaten to be smirch them on social media, make it
kind of hard for them to get work elsewhere. And
it's kind of want to see, see we try to
give this person an opportunity, but hey, they're kind of
just like their father, like father, like son or whatever

(01:39:31):
kind however they want to try to spend it. So
I'm gonna be looking for that in the coming days.
My thoughts are definitely with that wrestler. Nobody should have to.
You know, it's bad enough, and I've said this off
and on over the years. It's bad enough that we

(01:39:53):
get some individuals who go wrestling. Wait, you still watch
that ship, and then we get the whole oh dumb
people watch that, all people of low intellect, and then
we see footage like what's happened with Raja.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
And then and then for some people it validates the point.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Right, and now once again we go through this whole
argument of should M M a fighters boxer, should they
really be stepping into the wrestling ring? My answer is
going to always be consistent, which is, if you are
willing to put in the time, and you're willing to

(01:40:34):
put in the effort, you're willing to go to a
local indie promotion and get your training, Okay, go through
some reputable joints. There are a lot of good, reputable
places that's out there, and for those that might not
be in your respected area, you can do the next

(01:40:54):
best thing and you can reach out to some of
these wrestling legends. I'm sure Ricky Morton. I know for
the longest time Ricky Morton had a school, but he
recently closed it down. I'm sure an individual like him
if you slid into his DM where you emailed him.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
Can I meet you you know somewhere or do you
have you know another spot that maybe isn't whatever you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Don't think you don't think they'd be willing to point
you in that right direction. In that right direction they
would be. But the main important thing that I really
want to streuss because I know a lot of people
are going to be like, ah, look, we look at
the Olympic gold medalist Kurt Angle. We look at rock Lesnar,
these are prime example of guys. We look at the

(01:41:37):
powerlifter that was Mark Henry. Okay, there are some really
great examples of athletes turned professional wrestlers. So we should
not take this one incident and even be asking the

(01:41:57):
question of should act leads really specially mma, should they
really be if you have the proper training, you know, yes, yes,
prior to yes, prior.

Speaker 5 (01:42:11):
To I mean, let's even group it together.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
The only reason I happened to you know, I followed
it a little bit more closely than I did maybe
other story arcs is let's, you know, play the let's
play to the conversation that we're having jelly roll, you know,
I mean, one would say what wait a minute, what?

Speaker 5 (01:42:36):
And the funny thing is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
You saw the conviction, you saw the passion, and you
saw the work because I'll be honest with you, and
then bumps and some of the stuff that I saw
him do you know, on and off weeks prior to
the actual matchup, I said, well, damn, okay, okay, you

(01:43:02):
have my attention. And it wasn't you know, no fake
me out stuff or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:43:09):
It was like Okay, you for real, for real? You
want this for real for real? So looping it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
Back to Rajah, It's like, okay, you know, did you
do any training.

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
Or was this really just like one one and one offs?

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
And then that's unfortunately if you didn't, that's how people
get hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Well, based on what his father said, and I'd be
very curious to learn more, it sounds like this boy
wasn't even doing any wrestling training. He was still.

Speaker 5 (01:43:48):
Stuffney said, he got hurt and during his.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
Sparring match, right, so, and and what exactly was communicating?
Now We're still going on and on and on about
this because this is very multi layered. There's going to
be a lot of damage and some damage control in
the coming days. This incident involving Rampage Jackson's Sun was
on a show that WWE Hall of Famer Rikishi owns

(01:44:17):
and operates. Oh and yeah, yeah, this gets worse people.
October twenty ninth, twenty twenty four. This statement was put
out by knockx Pro on social media. We at knock

(01:44:38):
x Pro Entertainment and Academy are thrilled to announce our
partnership with the WWEID program for over sixteen years. Our
mission has been to provide athletes with a comprehensive education
and professional wrestling, covering both the art and business of
the industry. I can't help but wonder. I'm not saying

(01:45:02):
it's gonna go up and smoke now, but man, you
couldn't even make it a full year. I'm sure WWE
is kind of going and it gets even worse. Allegedly
got to use the keywords here. Allegedly, Rakeishi told Rajah

(01:45:25):
to get in the ring and hit the guy, allegedly
knowing that this kid had zero training. Now, I'm gonna
tell you something, m I have had some conversations with
people in the know directly tied to that whole a

(01:45:45):
Noah family, and particularly when it comes to Rakkeishi and
his training academy. I've heard nothing but good things. Now, now,
I have heard that is their favoritism, Like like, if

(01:46:06):
if you are somehow related to the Anoah family, do
they kind of right, yes, given, I mean that's kind
of given. But putting that to the side, I've heard
nothing but good things as far as training. I say

(01:46:26):
that to say this, I just refuse to believe that Rikishi,
who is the face he is the bread and butter.
He is the glove of this promotion. I refuse to
believe that all of this went down and he wasn't

(01:46:47):
part of Okay, so what are we doing?

Speaker 5 (01:46:49):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
And if he was not part of the discussion, well,
that's a major than this, right, It's a major, major,
major black guy. So yeah, but this is a story
that continues to unravel, very very unfortunate. Wishing nothing but
the best for Stu and.

Speaker 5 (01:47:11):
For everybody involved really, you know, even Roger.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
I mean, he's a young man. This is a huge mistake.
I really hope that he learns from it because let
me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Actions
speak louder than words. And if he was trying to

(01:47:36):
get involved in the wrestling business, now he's going to
have to work three times as hard.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
Well, okay, same same scenario of different company. What do
you think his MMA career is going to be. They're
going to be like, well, damn, do we have to
work with him? Is he going to hurt us? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
And I get what you mean basically.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
Basically, Okay, well he went and did this and unprovoked
and all that stuff. You know, I can't imagine there's
going to be some skepticism let me say that with
working with him and or a company that's even interested in.

Speaker 5 (01:48:17):
Working with him.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
I think from an MMA standpoint, once he's proven to
himself and he's proven to his father that he's in
a better headspace and everything, I honestly believe the father
will be able to open up some doors as far
as the MMA front goes, as far as the wrestling
world goes. Though his work is cut out for him,

(01:48:42):
I would be shocked if another wrestling promoter, right. I
know a lot of wrestling promoters are desperate. They like
riding that trend, they like riding that wave of ooh,
you know this person is Oh, we can package them
as the deadliest man alive, and you don't want to
mess with him. He's a talking weapon. He'll fuck you up.

(01:49:03):
But no, no, no, this kid is what could have
been the beginning of a wrestling career. He's probably done.
And if he's not, and if he's not done, as
far as the rest of this calendar year, ain't nobody
touching his ass. I don't see anybody touching his ass

(01:49:26):
in twenty twenty six. I don't even see nobody touching
his ass in twenty twenty seven. And to the motherfuckers
that want to make this whole thing be about race.
That's why I said this is multi layered, because you're
gonna have some motherfuckers yea, oh you know that that redneck.
He they gonna say some stupid shit. Okay, man, you

(01:49:51):
could flip the script. You could flip the races. This
could have been. This could have been a white guy
beating the crap out of a black guy. Oh my god,
that'll really make the fucking race card fly off the
fucking handle. Okay, but you can replace it with women,

(01:50:11):
or you could do whatever. Just this is a prime
example of the importance of sitting down, making sure that
you and your dance partner in the right headspace, that
you all agreed, Okay, this is what we're gonna do.
This is and it's communicated. Because this is a prime example.

(01:50:34):
When you have somebody go rogue, any other person doesn't
know what the hell you're thinking and what you're gonna do.

Speaker 5 (01:50:42):
People get hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
People get hurt, prime example. Very unfortunate. So other than that,
wishing everybody did the best programming notes already told you guys,
we ain't doing no aw four been Look, I am
not coming on at one o'clock in the morning or

(01:51:04):
past one o'clock in the morning talking about no Down
Forbidden Door, So y'all can forget that. I'm gonna be
making my money. Well, we do have the Monday Night
show Monday Night, August twenty fifth, twenty twenty five. I'll
be live all throughout social media. Right after Raw on
Netflix goes off the air, we'll dive into the very latest.

(01:51:25):
Also preview ww's Clash in Peris, get into some more
wrestling news. It's gonna be loads fun, so make sure
you tune in and check that out. We were supposed
to go over Chiefs and Philadelphia Egos, but that's too long, guys,

(01:51:49):
and we were very gracious as it is, giving you
guys an extra twenty minutes of a show. So you're welcome.
You're welcome. We'll figure out. I think this is the
final week, right, this is the final week for a
preseason or I think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
I think a lot of people are finishing up their
preseason games.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
I know the regular season starts September eleventh.

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
Then some people may have either that or they take
a week off. Wait a minute, No, there's always a
game overseas, so that's probably next weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:52:29):
Okay, so then and then the regular season starts, so then.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
To make up, to make up for you guys, we'll
definitely I think we'll kick off the show by knocking
that out, so that'll be your you know, for you
football fans. I know you guys had appreciated the past
two weeks. We'll open up the show. We'll kick things
off looking at the chiefs and the egos schedules, give
our win loss predictions, and let you guys know if

(01:52:55):
we think they're gonna make it back to the super
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