September 15, 2025 • 51 mins
The assassination of Turning Point USA Founder Charlie Kirk has many people wondering, how do we heal a deeply divided nation? We discuss the answers to that question on today's episode.
Guests:
Steve Abramowicz | Podcast Host, Heartland Journal
Tom Norton | Afghanistan War Veteran, Candidate for Michigan State Senate
Johnathan Butcher | Acting Director for the Center for Education Policy, Heritage Foundation
Hunter Gaylor | CEO, MarketBridge Advisors & Board Member, New Journey PAC
Andrew R. Arthur | Resident Fellow in Law and Policy, Center for Immigration Studies
Guests:
Steve Abramowicz | Podcast Host, Heartland Journal
Tom Norton | Afghanistan War Veteran, Candidate for Michigan State Senate
Johnathan Butcher | Acting Director for the Center for Education Policy, Heritage Foundation
Hunter Gaylor | CEO, MarketBridge Advisors & Board Member, New Journey PAC
Andrew R. Arthur | Resident Fellow in Law and Policy, Center for Immigration Studies
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to the real story. I'm your host, Riley Lewis.
Thank you for joining us. We must learn to live
together as brothers or perish together as fools. These are
the wise words of it Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.
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And they convey a.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Simple but powerful message about the choice we face today
as Americans. Following one of the most tragic events and
darkest days in modern American history, this country is faced
with a critical choice. We can either choose unity or disunity,
togetherness or separation, non violence or non existence. Now, Americans
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certainly have their differences, as the people of any nation
or family do. But accepting them and learning to address
the conflicts they lead to peacefully and respectively in a
way that uplists people instead of cutting them down is
the key to keeping this country together and to healing
as one Now. Benjamin Franklin once said, this is a
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republic if we can keep it, and one of the
tricks to actually keeping it is learning to live together peacefully.
It's learning to support each other, learning to protect each
other's God given rights, including the right to speak one's
mind freely and openly. And it's learning to reject the
evil violence that America has witnessed in the last week.
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Violence is never the answer, it never makes things better,
and any country that allows violence to flourish is destined
to perish. That's the key takeaway from the heartbreaking assassination
of Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, and
recognizing that reality has never been more important than it
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is right now. Every great leader in American history has
understood this idea and echoed it, including Charlie, who, similar
to MLK Jr, was killed for his words. The same
can also be said of Abraham Lincoln and John F.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Kennedy.
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Each of these men were tragically slain for their words
and their efforts to heal a deeply divided nation. Abraham
Lincoln dedicated his life to keeping America together when the
Civil War erupted. Similarly, jfk pushed for peace and unity
during a time of division, violence, and upheaval, seeking to
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bring Americans together and chart a new path forward. Then
there's the Reverend MLK Jr. Who spent his life and
used his platform to promote peaceful dialogue and meaningful change,
and of course Charlie Kirk dedicating his life to reaching
that goal too. Empowering all Americans of all backgrounds through
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open dialogue about the most important issues facing the country.
He didn't personally attack people, he didn't put people down,
and he created space for open debate and discussion, having
conversations with anyone who was willing to speak to him.
Everybody had a voice at his events. Everybody was invited
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to speak, and everybody had the opportunity to say their
peace without judgment, something this world could use a whole
lot more of. He also challenged people to genuinely reconsider
their own assumptions and ideas about the world. And frankly,
that's beautiful. And while he was taken from this world
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far too soon, like the great men who came before him,
his legacy lives on in each of us. His activism
touched the lives of millions of people all over the planet,
from the US to the UK, to South Korea and beyond.
So now, as the country heals in the wake of
his assassination, law enforcement officials aim to bring his assassin
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to justice, so on that the suspect in question is
reportedly refusing to cooperate with authorities. The suspect is twenty
two years old. He grew up in the town of
Saint George, Utah, and he doesn't have any prior convictions.
He also doesn't seem to have a history of violent offenses,
according to a public safety assessment report filed in Utah
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State Court. And he wasn't even enrolled at the university
where he killed Kirk, but instead was a third year
student in the electrical apprenticeship program at Dixie Technical College. Now,
authorities continue to investigate potential accomplices or influences that may
have radicalized this young man, but early reports suggest he
acted alone, fueled by a dangerous cocktail of online echo
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chambers and unchecked hatred. But if the assassination itself was
a gut punch to our nation's soul, the aftermath of
it has driven us straight to rock bottom. In the
wake of this tragedy, we've witnessed something truly chilling. Everyday Americans,
like teachers or even healthcare workers openly celebrating Charlie Kirk's
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death on social media posts, gleefully mocking a husband, a father,
a patriot gun down in cold blood. One teacher in
Florida was even fired after tweeting her joy at the news. Meanwhile,
a nurse in California lost her job for calling it karma. Now,
these aren't just anonymous trolls who live in the shadows.
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There are people among us reveling in violence as if
it's a victory. This is the fruit of our division,
the poison we've let seep into our veins. We've normalized
hatred to the point where taking a life for ideas
becomes something of a punchline. Faith in the Almighty isn't optional.
It's the glue that holds our country together. We need
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a national recommitment to prayer, to humility before the Creator
who made us all in his image. Churches overflowing, families
on their knees, leaders seeking wisdom from above instead of
poles and power. Without God at the center, our divisions
become chasms too wide to bridge. But with Him they're
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just conversations waiting to happen now. Charlie Kirk's lovely wife, Erica,
addressed the country for the first time since her husband's
tragic assassination this past Friday, espousing the importance of God
and family.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
He would tell all these young people to come and
find their future spouse, become wives and husbands and parents
and The reason why is because he wanted you all
to experience what he had and still has. He wanted
everyone to bring Heaven into this earth through love and
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joy that comes from raising a family.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It's beautiful, there's no greater joy than being a spouse
and a parent. But healing demands more than heavenward glances.
It requires earthly action. Look no further than the divine
media rhetoric that's turned our airwaves into battlegrounds. Cable news screamfests,
clickbait headlines, algorithms that feed us rage instead of reason.
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They've amplified every grievance into a grievance war. So it's
time for a reckoning. Broadcasters, influencers, even the platforms themselves
stop profiting off of polarization. Replace the vitriol with voices
like Charlie's ones that invite debate, not destruction. Imagine town
halls where liberals and conservatives break bread, not barriers, where
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we argue ideas fiercely, but treat each other as fellow
image bearers of God. We must also reclaim our institutions education.
For one, our schools should foster critical thinking and civics,
not echo chambers of ideology, teach the next generation Benjamin
Franklin's wisdom. This republic endures only if we keep it
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through mutual respect and law enforcement bolster them against the
rising tide of threats, ensuring that free speech is protected
without descending into chaos. And parents play your part, model
grace at the dinner table. Neighbors knock on that door
that you've avoided for maybe years. And leaders from city
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hall to Congress, top to bottom, prioritize unity over partisan wins,
reject that cancel culture that silences dissent, and embrace the
discomfort of dialogue. Charlie built Turning Point USA on this
very foundation, empower young people to speak truth boldly yet kindly.
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His legacy isn't buried with him either. It's a blueprint for.
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All of us.
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In the end, healing isn't a grand gesture. It's a
thousand small choices that we can make to forgive where
we've been wronged, to listen when we'd rather shout, to
see the divine sparkle at our opponent, Just as Charlie
saw in everybody that he ever met, So as we
laid Charlie to rest, let his light guide us upward.
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From this pit.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Let his voice silence too soon, remind us all that
words can build nations, not just tear them down. And
in that spirit, let's rise together as sisters and brothers
under God indivisible. And to reiterate Mlk's words of wisdom
once and for all. We must learn to live together
as brothers or perish together as fools. So to my
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fellow Americans, please choose life. Choose unity for Charlie, for
our children, for the future, and for the Republic that
he loved and gave his life to protect. Here with
reaction is Steve Abramowitz, host of the Heartland Journals podcast,
and Tom Norton, a veteran of the war in Afghanistan
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and a candidate for State Senate in the state of Michigan. Gentlemen,
thank you for being here today.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So I actually want to start really quickly by wishing
Tom here a happy birthday. I wish the circumstances were better,
but I sincerely appreciate your time, especially on your birthday.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Thanks for having me Hannah. Hannah, So, I wasn't expecting
it too much.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Absolutely, looking forward, clearly we're at rock bottom. This is
a very low moment for America. But I have a
lot of faith in the future because we have an example,
We have a model from Charlie on how to move forward,
how to be peaceful, and how to be better than
we have been. So I want to start with you, Steve,
what do you think really is the best path forward
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from this moment?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Now?
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Oh, well, you through me for a loop. I didn't
know you're gonna play her Erica's video. Just last night
we were up pretty late. We had a vigil here
in Franklin, Tennessee, about two thousand people. I think that's
a record. Some folks from Turning Point USA, amazing leaders
and speakers. And I mentioned that because the outpouring that
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we've seen from Charlie Kirk means that he transcends the
person and himself. Right, his message, especially to young people,
is going to endure. I always said after Andrew Breitbart died,
he spawned about one hundred Andrew Breitbart's Ben Shapiro and
Charlie Kirk, amongst them Steve Bannon as well. And when
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Rush Limbaugh died, he spawned about a thousand on radio,
conservative minded, liberty minded constitutionalist like Dan Bongino, who's the
Deputy Director of the FBI, now Christagall and many more
that you know. I believe Charlie Kirk's legacy will be
about a maybe ten million young, active, faith based, Christian,
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patriotic conservative Americans who will follow Erica's lead and keep
the message alive. And we saw this places like Soul,
Korea and London where they got somewhere estimates three million,
maybe a million somewhere between out in the street saying
we agree with Charlie, not with the vitriol that we
hear on the left in social media land that doesn't
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really exist. I don't want to filibuster, but that's my
theory is that what Charlie was able to do in
his thirty one years is a lot like what MLK
was able to do in his nine years, or Robert
Kennedy Junior, sorry senior was able to do and his
brother John F. Kennedy create another movement of young, vibrant, energetic, smart, intelligent,
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articulate leaders that can get us away from this cancel culture.
This woke, this, shut everybody down, this anti First Amendment rhetoric,
and get us back to the America that was the
greatest century, last one.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Completely understood Erica. By the way, my thoughts and prayers
are with her. What a strong individual. Really, I can't
even imagine what she's going through.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Tom.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I want to turn to you for a moment, because
you fought for this country and you're actively seeking public
office right now in it. What is it like for
you to see this moment and what are you hoping
for for the future.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Well, when I'm for is that people actually look at
the way Charlie asked questions. See, he drew people to
think in their own heads. I was blessed at least
meet the guy once. Pretty early on. I was the
chair of the Michigan Conservative Union in twenty nineteen, ended
up going to Seapeck and everybody goes, you need to
go meet this young kid, Charlie Kirk. We met him
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there and I got to listen to him speak, and
he was very bright and intelligent. I've never got a
chance to really meet him again after that, but we
got to see the movement that he built across the
country on the planet, and we should be blessed to
really stop and think that his hero was Jesus Christ
for dying on the cross for our sins. He lived
in the same way in which Jesus lived in the
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New Testament. The New Testament, Jesus consistently asks followers questions,
drawing them to how you treat people, how you treat
your fellow man. So he lived all the very biblical
principles that are laid out in that New Testament, which
are fundamental in our First Amendment rights. So, in being
in Afghani stand, I used to make my soldiers read
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the United States Constitution because a lot of them had
never read it in school, and so I made it
read it so they knew what they were swearing to
a pold and defend. Which is very sad that you
would you join the military and swear to defend something
you'd never read before. But that First Amendment is fundamental
within our faith in who we are as a people.
A peaceful discourse is important. I stop and I think
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about watching these liberals celebrate his death, some of these
extremists out there, and they're like, if you know, I
think to myself, if death is appropriate for freedom of speech,
don't be surprised when you get fired for yours. And
I think, to a degree, that's an appropriate reaction because
we're not reacting and responding with more violence. We're responding
with there are consequences to your actions and the way
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that you behave. But I think what Charlie would really
want in this moment is that that dialogue to continue,
and everybody in the media, from your show to even
CNN as they actually sitting there and saying, listen, this
has gone too far. It's time for this peaceful discourse.
This is a massive generational unifying moment for this country.
And I think all of us were blessed to have
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somebody like him, and every generation America has been blessed
with somebody with faith and principal standing up and drawing
us forward. And I think of you know JFK, as
you brought them up, and you think about that civil
discourse at JFK and very Goldwater we're going to have
in the nineteen sixty four presidential election. Yes, and those
two men wanted to do Lincoln Douglas Lincoln Douglas style
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debates in order to unify America within their message, so
they could see that the differences were about how we
proceed with solutions in who we are as a people
through principal, faith and belief.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, really, really well, said I think at this point
the message is clear. We all have a responsibility as Americans,
as citizens to play our part, to be a part
of the solution, to be the change we want to
see in the world. Truly, and I know it's cliche,
people say that all the time, but it's because of
it's true. It's profoundly true. And maybe I'm just realizing
that myself now in a way that I hadn't before.
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But I want to just say thank you both, you gentlemen,
for being here. This is very sensitive stuff. It's a
low moment for our country, but I'm hoping and praying
for a lot better in the future, and I thank
you both for your time today. Coming up next, what
exactly is behind the radicalization of America's youth. That's the
question at the center of today's next story. A several
lawmakers suggest that the internet is possibly responsible for following
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the heartbreaking assassination of Charlie Kirk last Wednesday. More details
after the break.
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Speaker 7 (17:01):
The algorithm pushes people to the most extreme. The algorithm
is on social media, is always pushed in who's the angriest,
who's the loudest. The Online Kids Safety Act is a
great piece of legislation to be able to protect our kids.
We are seeing people radicalize online, on social media and
through the Internet in the United States, by other Americans
and by the algorithm that's there.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
That right there is Oklahoma Republican Senator James Linkford on
yesterday's Face the Nation spotlighting how algorithms are fuelling radicalization
amid the fallout from Charlie Kirk's assassination. Kirk's deranged assassin,
a leftist with a trail of anti fascist online screeds,
pulled the trigger at Utah Valley University in Orum last week,
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sparking cries that social media turned him into a monster.
Delaware Democrat Chris Coons piled on, calling the Internet a
driver of extremism on Face the Nation two. Even some
experts agree radicalizations speeding up online, with a twenty twenty
three NIJ report noting the internet's complex role in facilitating extremism,
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but not as the sole cause. Then Utah Governor Spencer
Cox points to the assassin's web fueled rage through his
transgender roommates, conservative hatred and adding intrigue, but a social
media birthing killers or just gassing up the deranged. A
UNESCO analysis finds weak evidence of a direct causal link
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to violence, instead pointing to how it amplifies vulnerable individuals
existing tendencies. Now, California's SB nine seven six, the Protecting
Our Kids from Social Media Addiction Act, signed by Governor
Gaven Newsom in September of last year, aims to curb
addictive feeds for miners, and now Reuters says even TikTok
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faces a US ban if the parent company Byte Dance
won't divest by year's end. Stalled over Chinese tariffs. Now,
President Trump is teasing a possible but only time will
tell what really happens. Here with his thoughts is the
acting director of the Center for Education Policy at the
Heritage Foundation, Jonathan Butcher. Jonathan, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Great to be with you. So everybody right.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Now is having this very contentious debate about what's really
driving radicalization and violence in America.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
What do you think the answer is.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
Well, when it comes to social media and young children.
I think that we need to have parents understand the
negative effects that social media are having on young children,
from increasing anxiety among young people to causing a distraction
from schoolwork at home as well as.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
During the school day.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
I think there have been some very thoughtful proposals around
the country that bans cell phone use during the school
day and makes it so that students have to either
hand in their cell phones, turn them off, or not
have access to them. And I think that this is
a step in the right direction. That the question about
how to protect the first men is an important one,
but it's broader than just a free speech issue. This
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is an issue about how parents and how educators can
work together to make sure that students are not exposed
to material that's going to cause them anxiety, or have
them focused on material that's inappropriate age and appropriate for
them at particular agents, especially as they enter into the
early teen years.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
What do you think about the argument that lawmakers and
law enforcement officials should be holding the platforms accountable instead
of the individual content creators who are spewing propaganda and
hatred online.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
I think it's very dangerous to free speech if we
hold the content creators accountable. Again, the best I think
that we should be looking at is what to do
in the long term, and that is going to be
improving civics education in K twelve schools because civics education
teaches civility. It rests on the idea of virtue, and
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we've got to be teaching young people the way in
which to hold conversations and especially hold debates, and if
they can understand that, the way that they act online
or offline in real life is needs to be the same, right.
It needs to be acting with responsibility in virtue, and
the way that they treat people matters. This is the
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long term solution to these questions about.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
What to do.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I completely agree with that, and I'll have one final
one for you then. The way I see it right now, Jonathan,
you have people who are radicalized in years past. The
radicalization process can take months, years, even decades, so you
had all this time between really horrific instances of violence.
Right now, it seems like these things are happening back
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to back to back, and I think in part it's
because it's not the Internet that's to blame, but the
Internet and this thing that makes us all connected accelerates
that process of radicalization. What do you think about my
theory on that.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, I think you're right.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
I mean, I think what social media i'll allows for
people to speak to each other with sort of a
screen in between them, right, and feel like they're unaccountable
for the things that they say, which allows them to
say things that are nasty and vitriolic. And of course
we saw that after the terrible assassination of Charlie Kirk
last week. We're seeing the worst of it and that
is why, in particular for young people, I think it's
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incumbent on parents to be responsible and keep students from
having smartphones until they are well into their teenage years.
I think there have been well reasoned proposals of suggesting
fourteen even sixteen years old before they have access to
a smartphone. Again, when it comes to schools, I think
the policies in place, it would make sense for schools
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to prohibit cell phone use during the school day from
bell to bell. I think issues related to safety and
whether a student can contact their parents those can be
easily mitigated through interactions with teachers or creating a way
for schools to have alarms so that teachers can signal
and find help when there is, say, an instant related
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to student safety. So the bigger issue of how to
keep students away from cell phones is important.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, completely agree with you there.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Unfortunately we are out of time for today, but Jonathan,
thank you for being here. Thank you coming up next.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. This expression
lies at the heart of today's next story, which is
all about the bipartisan push in Washington to curb China's political, social,
and economic influence on the world stage. More details right
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after the break.
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Speaker 1 (23:58):
Welcome back to the Real Story. Let's pick up right
where we left off in our last segment with some
really key issues surrounding relations between the US and China. So,
following two days of trade talks between Treasury Secretary scot
Ascent and Chinese officials in Madrid, Spain this weekend, some
very important questions remain about curbing Beijing's economic.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Influence on the world stage.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
China has essentially made itself the world's largest factory, a
worldwide production machine, harnessing cheap labor and in some cases, debatably,
what appears to be slave labor to attract companies from
all over the world, including from right here in the
US and at the expense of American workers. And while
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previous US presidents just turned a blind eye to it
and ignored it, President Trump isn't leading to this economic
showdown that we find ourselves in right now, and it's
not surprising to see from a president who basically created
the America First movement. What is surprising, however, is to
see the Trump administration's pressure campaign on China gain support
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from Democrats. So to that point, Democratic members of the
House Select Committee on China fired off a letter to
Secretary Bessent, US Trade Representative Jameison Greer, and even Commerce
Secretary Howard Lutnik about these critical issues on Friday ahead
of the trade talks that we saw this weekend, and
in it, they urged the inclusion of ironclad binding requirements
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in any new trade deal to dismantle China's rampant industrial
over capacity, especially in sectors like steel and solar panels,
where Beijing's flood of cheap exports has all but hammered
American jobs and global markets.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It's a very curious pivot.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Democrats, long criticized for soft pedaling on China, now aligning
directly with President Trump's tough stance, demanding we force an
overhaul of their state driven economic minde that prioritizes overproduction
at the expense of fair competition. What makes this letter
even more intriguing, though, is the timing and the scope
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of it, coming on those trade talks in Madrid and
building on the ninety day tear off truce extension from
earlier in August that bought US breathing room to avoid
a duty's explosion.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
But here's the.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Serious wrinkle in what's going on. They're pressing for a
multilateral push, urging the Trump team to rally allies like
Japan and South Korea, ironically countries hit by America's recent tariffs,
to craft this international firewall against Beijing's excesses. And remember
that July twenty third deal with Japan where we dialed
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back duties in exchange for their investment pledges. While this
letter suggests Democrats want that balanced approach applied globally, raising
serious questions about whether Trump's tariff hammer will evolve into
a scalpel for lasting wins for America. So now, as
the entire planet watch of this situation unfold, one can't
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help but wonder is this democratic nudge a genuine and
sincere olive branch toward a unified front against China? Or
is it a calculated play to claim credit for policies
that President Trump has championed since day one. The answer
to that question is certainly up for debate, But in
the meantime, Beijing's already pushing back hard, with a Foreign
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Ministry spokesman having dismissed overcapacity talk as hyping for protectionist ends,
vowing to defend their high quality development. But for American
workers and families feeling the pinch from unfair trade, this
could be the start of a meaningful breakthrough, a deal
that doesn't just pause the pain, but actually curbs the
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source of it. Now Here are this thoughts, insight and reaction.
Is Hunter Galer, the CEO of Marketbridge Advisors and a
board member of the New Journey Pack. Thank you for
joining me.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
It's always great to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Of course, for such an important topic, And I want
to start with the fact that this push to curb
China's economic influence is becoming bipartisan.
Speaker 9 (28:14):
What do you make of that, sir well, I'm glad
that the Democrats, if this is really truly authentic, they're
starting to open up the eyes. They're starting to open
up their eyes with what Trump's been saying all along.
China's strategy was very simple. It was flood our markets,
steal our technology, use our money to fuel their rise.
And America's strategy has to be clear, stop financing our competitors,
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defend our workers, and build secure supply chains here at home.
And I think what Democrats are starting to see is
it's affecting their states because of the loss of jobs.
It's it's we're not We're not having it. So they're
they're having to turn to China and say, oh wait,
maybe we should be listening to what Trump has been
telling us for such a long period of time.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
That's a really critic point. I'm glad you made that
so much.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Now, before we continue further, I just want to back
up for a moment and get your perspective on it.
How China found itself in a place where they are
in control of so many supply chains and so much
production in the first place.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
How did we get there?
Speaker 9 (29:16):
Well, we got here because we took our eye off
of the red dragon. I mean, that's just plain and simple,
the amount of growth that they have. And by the way,
the US is a massively consuming market. If we don't consume,
then they're just making stuff and they won't be able
to sustain it. But when you look at the way
that we've had our economic policies and we have been
outsourcing and outsourcing and outsourcing because of cheap labor. And listen,
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I've been to China several times. I work actively with
companies and corporations over in China, both on their mainland
and in Hong Kong, and I can tell you from
a business perspective, it's very simple. You go to where
your money's treated best. And with the cheap labor, and
with the fact that they have a high education workforce
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over there, they have a very disciplined essentially you know,
total control on their people. It makes sense for businesses.
I mean you see companies like Elon musk Is over
there with Tesla, their battery technology, their rare earth minerals.
They're not getting caught up in bureaucracy and Republican versus Democrat,
elephant versus donkey. They're out there saying, look, we're going
to be a superpower. The way we're going to be
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a superpower is we're going to have this quiet war,
and we're going to have the war against the American people.
We're not consumed. We're not manufacturing in America at the
level that China's manufacturing. We don't have the labor force
that China has, we don't have the cost of capital
that China has. And so the year after year, decade
after decade, we've had these Republicans and Democrat controlled houses
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and Senates arguing with one another, while China's over there
laughing with a completely uniformed government saying, we know exactly
how to do this. So they're using all of our
money right to essentially come in and start buying up
American stuff. That's why they own a lot of the farmland.
I mean, you've seen this, You've seen this all throughound America.
I mean, I'm not the only one that's down here
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echoing this, right. I look at this as a massive
globalistic you know, issues you've got capital, you have tariffs,
you've got supply chain, you've got tech controls, and you've
got allies. And unfortunately we need we need a trade NATO. Essentially,
we need when the US, Europe, Japan, and India act together,
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China loses. Okay, they can't play us off each other.
And so you're seeing a lot of these other countries
that we have close relationships with, doing business with China,
doing business with Russia. So you know, this is a
very pivotal economic point that we are at as America.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
It is, and I think because there are so many
different factors and issues that you're touching on here, and
I really appreciate that, the one for me that stands
out above the rest is looking at the material quality
of life for my fellow Americans. Looking at cities all
over the country that have basically been hollowed out, places
that were once thriving are now very depressed, very sad.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Then you see drugs come in and crime.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I'm in businesses flee and it's really sad, and it's
just it's heartbreaking, quite frankly, Hunter. So I think for
President Trump and this White House, above all else, it's
about bringing opportunity back to Americans.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I don't know if tariffs are the perfect approach for that.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Maybe there's a better one, but I want to hear
your thoughts about that, because we've seen the middle class
just be hollowed out in this country. We have millions
of Americans just living paycheck to paycheck, no savings, many
of them deeply in debt, wondering if things are going
to get better, and President Trump is trying to make
them better. The question is how exactly do we do
that and how soon can we do that? So what
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are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Hunter?
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Well, look, I'm not the great prognosticator, but at the
end of the day, I would say very simply, this,
not one more US pension dollar should finance Chinese AI
or semiconductors. Number one. Number two, If it's your money,
it's your money that's building their weapons. It's not investment,
it's surrender. As far as the tariffs are concerned, you know,
tariffs aren't taxes. Essentially their shields in particular case, so
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one hundred percent tariff on Chinese evs is the firewall
that saves the Detroit from being gutted like the US
steel was twenty years ago. And so when you look
at that, we as Americans have to go back to
who we are as Americans. We built incredible cities, we
built industry, we built I mean think about it, airplanes,
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aircraft that came from us. That was two bicycle mechanics,
you know at Kittyhawk. We started the airline world. We
started the car world with the Ford model T not China, right,
not us. We did American And we need to go
back to those routes of build here, train here, you know,
and actually build a real working force. Unfortunately, part of
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the problem is our education system. Our education system is
pushing non trade school jobs. We should go back to that.
And you look at someone like micro who goes and
looks at dirty jobs. We have an aging population in
the United States. We do not have the amount of
population to be able to take over a lot of
these these jobs. So these older industries are starting to go.
The plumbers, the electricians, the welders, and so for these
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boom town economies to happen again, we have to build here.
And that means we have to drill here. That means
we have to mind rare earth minerals here. We have
to explore here. We cannot rely right on containment. Right
containment is means independence. At the end of the day,
if we're having to go to rare earths for batteries
and chips, they should be made in America with or
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with our allies. If we don't have the resources, the
natural resources in other country has, they should be our ally, Okay,
it should not be Beijing's backyard.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Oh understand, No, it makes complete sense. I just want
to say before we get let you go, thank you
for being here and highlighting this.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Absolutely, I appreciate it so much.
Speaker 9 (34:51):
No, thank you for having me and listen. You know,
we beat the Soviets with alliances and innovation, economic strength,
and we can contain China the same way by putting
America first and refusing to bankroll, you know, our own decline.
So I appreciate being on the show as always.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Coming up next, the Trump administration doubles down on its
approach to bolstering public safety in the aftermath of the
Charlie Kirk assassination and also in light of a recent
string of brazen attacks at the hands of dangerous people
who shouldn't have been on the streets in the first place.
More details about that approach after the.
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Welcome back to the Real Story. Today's next segment brings
us back to the theme of public safety, which we
talked about at the top of today's show. After everything
that happened last week, there's been a somewhat bipartisan push
to bolster public safety in the US. However, one of
the ongoing issues and going about that is this disagreement
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about what really constitutes public safety. In other words, what
does that really mean and what does it look like
to bolster public safety in practice? Does it mean, say,
deploying more members of the National Guard to crime ridden
areas of the country. Does it mean ramping up ICE's
ability to identify and detain dangerous illegal immigrants who have
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criminal records. These are some extremely important and pressing questions
to face, and they bring us to the ongoing showdown
over safety between the Trump administration and Muriel Bowser, the
mayor of Washington, d C. So in a bold stand
for law, order and the rule of immigration enforcement. President
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Trump has just issued a stark warning to Washington, DC's
leadership amid a deepening rift over cooperation with federal authorities.
Speaking directly to the country on Monday via truth Social,
the President vowed to declare a national emergency and federalize
the nation's capital if Mayor Muriel Bowser's Metropolitan Police Department
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refuses to share critical information on individuals living in or
entering the US illegally with Immigration and Customs enforcement. President Trump,
who deployed over two thousand National Guard troops to the
streets of DC roughly one month ago, emphasized boldly that
this non cooperation, allegedly pressured by members of the radical left,
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would unleash a roaring back of criminal activity and on
true social He wrote, in part to the people and
businesses of Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I am with you and won't allow this to happen.
I'll call a national emergency and federalize if necessary. Interesting Now,
while some people believe this approach is unwarranted, some recent
developments all over the country suggest otherwise. For example, a
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Cuban national named Jordanis Cobos Martinez, who is living in
the US illegally, recently beheaded the manager of a motel
in Dallas, Texas just days ago on Friday of last week. Actually,
the victim was from India and had been living in
the US since twenty eighteen, and while it's still unknown
if he came to the US entirely legally himself, the
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story is still tragic and unacceptable, especially since he was
beheaded in front of his own wife and children. Now
the suspect is being held in Dallas County jail or
with bond or without bond, on an immigration detainer, and
he's facing a charge of capital murder. He also confessed
to the crime after he was arrested, for whatever it's worth.
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In fact, police officers found him covered in blood with
a machete in his hand afterwards, and reports say that
he placed the victim's head inside of a dumpster and
then on top of it all just to make matters
even more disturbing. The suspect was only free in the
first place because the Biden administration had previously released him
in January, just days before President Trump was inaugurated. He
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was released on January thirteenth on an order of supervision,
and his home country of Cuba didn't even want to
take him back due to his extensive criminal history, which
ICE officials have said includes child sex abuse, car jacking,
and grand theft of.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
A motor vehicle.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Preventing more crimes like this one is exactly why the
Trump administration is mobilizing federal forces. And while certain lawmakers
out there might not appreciate the move or even agree
with it, they also don't seem to have any better
solutions to these pressing public safety issues.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
So what exactly is the White House.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Supposed to do with What answer to that question is
Andrew Arthur, a Resident fellow in law and Policy at
the Center for Immigration Studies. Andrew, thank you for being here, sir.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Thank you for hav me Riley.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
So interesting situation here, tragic, of course, But on one hand,
you see Democrats all over the country to crying the
White House for sending in federal agents to clean up crime.
At the same time they're enabling this massive crime wave
to happen in the first place, and they don't have
any better solutions to it.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
So what do you make of that?
Speaker 9 (40:31):
So?
Speaker 10 (40:31):
Yeah, I mean, you know this really is an exceptional
situation if you think about it, Riley, because we've basically
created a special class of individuals who are off limits
to law enforcement, and those are the individuals who have
no right to be in the United States to begin with. This,
you know, completely turns the law on its head. This is,
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you know, through the looking glass logic when you think
about it, when you think about criminal recidiis and we
know from Bureau Justice statistics that about forty four percent
of all criminals are rearrested within one year. That jumps
up this sixty three percent within three years, and it's
eighty nine percent within eight years. So if we really
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want to get serious about criminality, we want to get
criminals off the streets, and if they're aliens, we want
to get them out of the United States because we
don't want that second, that third, that fourth crime to occur.
In the case of the individual, the Cuban who beheaded
a motel manager, I mean, this is a dangerous individual.
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He never should have been allowed out of custody. But
this is a game the Cuba has been playing for
almost my entire life. They ship criminals and mentally ill
individuals to the United States. They get here. This all
started under the queue, under the Carter administration, and then
we can't get rid of them. Those are the people
we need to get rid of. We need to keep
our streets safe. If you want to enforce the law,
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start by deporting criminals, well.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I imagine in Cuba isn't the only country to do
this and exploit our ridiculous policies. But also shame on
the Biden administration. I mean, to let this man back
out onto the streets even though his own home country
won't take him is really a slap in the face
to every American. And for whatever it's worth, Andrew, I
want to call attention to one statement. Maybe people like
Mayor Bowser and DC could take some advice from her
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fellow Democrats. This is someone who normally I disagree with
him about basically everything. But we have a California Rep.
Actually Rocanna, who had this to say in light of
it quote, the brutal beheading of a hard working Indian
American immigrant in front of his wife and son is horrific.
The murderer had multiple prior arrests for violent theft and
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child endangerment and was undocumented. He should not have been
free on American streets. I just I completely agree with that,
and I'm really hoping that some other Democrat lawmakers around
the country would heed that warning, because if we don't
do more right now, than what's to stop someone from
doing it again.
Speaker 10 (43:03):
Yeah, and maybe mister Conna should go back to the
state legislature in California and tell them to undo their
ridiculous SB fifty four law that prevents all California law
enforcement from assisting ice in any way. I was in
San Diego in March, and everybody that I talked to, state, local,
and federal told me that, you know, that law is
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an impediment to actually cleaning up the streets, to making
the Golden State safe. When I was a young man,
when I was a trial attorney in San Francisco in
the nineties, border patrol agents would regularly go through the
local jails. They would round up criminals, they would take
them off the street, and everybody liked it because one,
it saved the state and locality money that they would
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otherwise have to detain these people. And again, as we
noted just a moment ago, Riley, it you know, cuts
down on recidivism. But you know this new law is
you know that time's negative one. California used to have
a three and your outlaw because they understood that criminals
needed to be off the streets. Now they are coddling.
They are building a wall around immigration enforcement, and they
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stamp their little feats in the in the streets of
Los Angeles. Both Mayor Basque, Karen bas of Los Angeles
and Governor Gavin Newsom, former mayor of San Francisco now governor.
And you know, they say they want to take a stand.
This is pure politics, you know, because anything that Donald
Trump likes, they don't like, and they view it as
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their way of, you know, getting back at the man,
apparently not appreciating the fact they are now the man
or the woman. But you know, let's get our streets safe.
Let's get the criminals off the streets. Let's get these
people out of the United States. You know, I don't
agree with Rocannon much, but I agree with them one
hundred percent on this one. I hope it's not simply
because the victim was an Indian. There are victims of
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all races, nationalities, and creeds in this country that we
can keep safe if we just enforce the immigration laws.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
And talk to your point earlier.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Talk to anybody who's living in La now San Francisco
right now, you walk through the streets, you see ten cities, homelessness,
used needles on the ground. You're just trying to walk
your dog in North Beach in San Francisco, which is
supposed to be a nice area of the city, and
you have used needles all over the streets. And so
you call the city and you say we have to
do something about this, and they say, okay, well give
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us six hours, eight hours, ten hours, and then maybe
we'll clean it up. Couple that with the fact that
Gavin Newsen didn't want to clean up the city streets
until jijimping comes down, and it makes you wonder, g
maybe Gavin's working for the CCP.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
But setting that aside for.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Just a moment, I have to ask you, Andrew, while
we have you to your point about coddling criminals, do
you think it's about just opposing anything President Trump stands
for or do you think there's a sort of deeper
and sinister motive here to protecting the people who are
destroying America's cities.
Speaker 9 (45:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (45:57):
No, I mean priorities from this country are way out
of whack. We should be supporting, you know, the innocent.
We should be supporting the hard working families. We should
be you know, protecting women on public transit. We should
not be you know, sending out forces, you know, sending
out you know, tweets and you know, standing up and
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holding press conferences to talk about how much we're going
to protect criminals. We've completely lost our way in many
of these big cities. And that explains why there are
a lot of people who have moved to a state
like North Carolina, where I currently live, because they want
to be safe. They want to have responsible government that
has its priorities straight. Now again, there are some you know,
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unfortunate spots in North Carolina, like Charlotte, where you know,
people have forgotten what made the United States and made
the state of North Carolina great. We need to get
back to that, Riley. We need to remember that, you know,
the main duty of any government is first and foremost
to protect it's citizens. It's citizens, not people who were
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stupping through, not people who were living in a motel
because the Biden administration didn't want to deport them. We
need to be deporting people. Getting the criminals saw up
the streets and letting our hard working, law abiding citizens
feel safe again.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Very well said.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
And for these people who get put back out onto
the streets, it's just a violation of America's one of
our foundational ideas. To your point, you protect the innocent
and you punish the guilty. It's so simple a child
could understand it. And for that reason, I think there's
something much darker going on here. I don't know, that's
just what my gut tells me. But Andrew, I just
want to say thank you for being here today and
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talking about this really important issue with me.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (47:45):
Thank you so much for having me, and I hope
a lot of people listen to your message.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Coming up next, NASA appears to make a very interesting
discovery that raises some critical questions about the world around us.
More details about it after the break.
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Welcome back to the Real Story. The age old question
are we alone? Gets closer to being answered every single day.
And through amazing programs like NASA Space Exploration is at
our fingertips, and we have more resources now than ever
before to be able to answer that question. In fact,
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some recent findings by NASA's Mars rover Perseverance, actually found
exposed rocks and a dry river channel that could reveal
signs of ancient microscopic life. Scientists reported these findings on Wednesday,
stressing that in depth analysis is needed of these samples
gathered by Perseverance before any concrete conclusions can be made. However,
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it's very curious on the surface now. NASA's Science Mission
chief Nicki Fox even said this finding is quote the
closest we've actually come to finding ancient.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Life on Mars now.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Other knowledgeable sources have also said that non biological processes
could be to blame for the finding, although only time
will really tell what's going on. But Perseverance has been
on Mars since the year twenty twenty one, and while
it can't test for past or present life itself, it
has all the tools it needs to collect samples for
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testing back here on Earth. So now NASA is currently
awaiting retrieval of thirty samples that Perseverance has gathered in total,
and Joel Heroitz of Stonybrook University and lead researcher of
this fascinating project, even told the Associated Press that while
this isn't concrete evidence of ancient life, certain byproducts have
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been observed that on Earth come about through organic processes,
so at this point, NASA's return plan for Perseverance is
a little bit fuzzy. However, Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy,
who's also NASA's acting administrator, has said that no options
are off the table and the return date for the
samples as of now is set in the twenty forties.
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Welcome to the real story. I'm your host, Riley Lewis.
Thank you for joining us. We must learn to live
together as brothers or perish together as fools. These are
the wise words of it Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And they convey a.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Simple but powerful message about the choice we face today
as Americans. Following one of the most tragic events and
darkest days in modern American history, this country is faced
with a critical choice. We can either choose unity or disunity,
togetherness or separation, non violence or non existence. Now, Americans
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certainly have their differences, as the people of any nation
or family do. But accepting them and learning to address
the conflicts they lead to peacefully and respectively in a
way that uplists people instead of cutting them down is
the key to keeping this country together and to healing
as one Now. Benjamin Franklin once said, this is a
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republic if we can keep it, and one of the
tricks to actually keeping it is learning to live together peacefully.
It's learning to support each other, learning to protect each
other's God given rights, including the right to speak one's
mind freely and openly. And it's learning to reject the
evil violence that America has witnessed in the last week.
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Violence is never the answer, it never makes things better,
and any country that allows violence to flourish is destined
to perish. That's the key takeaway from the heartbreaking assassination
of Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, and
recognizing that reality has never been more important than it
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is right now. Every great leader in American history has
understood this idea and echoed it, including Charlie, who, similar
to MLK Jr, was killed for his words. The same
can also be said of Abraham Lincoln and John F.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Kennedy.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Each of these men were tragically slain for their words
and their efforts to heal a deeply divided nation. Abraham
Lincoln dedicated his life to keeping America together when the
Civil War erupted. Similarly, jfk pushed for peace and unity
during a time of division, violence, and upheaval, seeking to
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bring Americans together and chart a new path forward. Then
there's the Reverend MLK Jr. Who spent his life and
used his platform to promote peaceful dialogue and meaningful change,
and of course Charlie Kirk dedicating his life to reaching
that goal too. Empowering all Americans of all backgrounds through
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open dialogue about the most important issues facing the country.
He didn't personally attack people, he didn't put people down,
and he created space for open debate and discussion, having
conversations with anyone who was willing to speak to him.
Everybody had a voice at his events. Everybody was invited
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to speak, and everybody had the opportunity to say their
peace without judgment, something this world could use a whole
lot more of. He also challenged people to genuinely reconsider
their own assumptions and ideas about the world. And frankly,
that's beautiful. And while he was taken from this world
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far too soon, like the great men who came before him,
his legacy lives on in each of us. His activism
touched the lives of millions of people all over the planet,
from the US to the UK, to South Korea and beyond.
So now, as the country heals in the wake of
his assassination, law enforcement officials aim to bring his assassin
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to justice, so on that the suspect in question is
reportedly refusing to cooperate with authorities. The suspect is twenty
two years old. He grew up in the town of
Saint George, Utah, and he doesn't have any prior convictions.
He also doesn't seem to have a history of violent offenses,
according to a public safety assessment report filed in Utah
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State Court. And he wasn't even enrolled at the university
where he killed Kirk, but instead was a third year
student in the electrical apprenticeship program at Dixie Technical College. Now,
authorities continue to investigate potential accomplices or influences that may
have radicalized this young man, but early reports suggest he
acted alone, fueled by a dangerous cocktail of online echo
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chambers and unchecked hatred. But if the assassination itself was
a gut punch to our nation's soul, the aftermath of
it has driven us straight to rock bottom. In the
wake of this tragedy, we've witnessed something truly chilling. Everyday Americans,
like teachers or even healthcare workers openly celebrating Charlie Kirk's
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death on social media posts, gleefully mocking a husband, a father,
a patriot gun down in cold blood. One teacher in
Florida was even fired after tweeting her joy at the news. Meanwhile,
a nurse in California lost her job for calling it karma. Now,
these aren't just anonymous trolls who live in the shadows.
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There are people among us reveling in violence as if
it's a victory. This is the fruit of our division,
the poison we've let seep into our veins. We've normalized
hatred to the point where taking a life for ideas
becomes something of a punchline. Faith in the Almighty isn't optional.
It's the glue that holds our country together. We need
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a national recommitment to prayer, to humility before the Creator
who made us all in his image. Churches overflowing, families
on their knees, leaders seeking wisdom from above instead of
poles and power. Without God at the center, our divisions
become chasms too wide to bridge. But with Him they're
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just conversations waiting to happen now. Charlie Kirk's lovely wife, Erica,
addressed the country for the first time since her husband's
tragic assassination this past Friday, espousing the importance of God
and family.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
He would tell all these young people to come and
find their future spouse, become wives and husbands and parents
and The reason why is because he wanted you all
to experience what he had and still has. He wanted
everyone to bring Heaven into this earth through love and
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joy that comes from raising a family.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It's beautiful, there's no greater joy than being a spouse
and a parent. But healing demands more than heavenward glances.
It requires earthly action. Look no further than the divine
media rhetoric that's turned our airwaves into battlegrounds. Cable news screamfests,
clickbait headlines, algorithms that feed us rage instead of reason.
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They've amplified every grievance into a grievance war. So it's
time for a reckoning. Broadcasters, influencers, even the platforms themselves
stop profiting off of polarization. Replace the vitriol with voices
like Charlie's ones that invite debate, not destruction. Imagine town
halls where liberals and conservatives break bread, not barriers, where
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we argue ideas fiercely, but treat each other as fellow
image bearers of God. We must also reclaim our institutions education.
For one, our schools should foster critical thinking and civics,
not echo chambers of ideology, teach the next generation Benjamin
Franklin's wisdom. This republic endures only if we keep it
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through mutual respect and law enforcement bolster them against the
rising tide of threats, ensuring that free speech is protected
without descending into chaos. And parents play your part, model
grace at the dinner table. Neighbors knock on that door
that you've avoided for maybe years. And leaders from city
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hall to Congress, top to bottom, prioritize unity over partisan wins,
reject that cancel culture that silences dissent, and embrace the
discomfort of dialogue. Charlie built Turning Point USA on this
very foundation, empower young people to speak truth boldly yet kindly.
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His legacy isn't buried with him either. It's a blueprint for.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
All of us.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
In the end, healing isn't a grand gesture. It's a
thousand small choices that we can make to forgive where
we've been wronged, to listen when we'd rather shout, to
see the divine sparkle at our opponent, Just as Charlie
saw in everybody that he ever met, So as we
laid Charlie to rest, let his light guide us upward.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
From this pit.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Let his voice silence too soon, remind us all that
words can build nations, not just tear them down. And
in that spirit, let's rise together as sisters and brothers
under God indivisible. And to reiterate Mlk's words of wisdom
once and for all. We must learn to live together
as brothers or perish together as fools. So to my
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fellow Americans, please choose life. Choose unity for Charlie, for
our children, for the future, and for the Republic that
he loved and gave his life to protect. Here with
reaction is Steve Abramowitz, host of the Heartland Journals podcast,
and Tom Norton, a veteran of the war in Afghanistan
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and a candidate for State Senate in the state of Michigan. Gentlemen,
thank you for being here today.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So I actually want to start really quickly by wishing
Tom here a happy birthday. I wish the circumstances were better,
but I sincerely appreciate your time, especially on your birthday.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Thanks for having me Hannah. Hannah, So, I wasn't expecting
it too much.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Absolutely, looking forward, clearly we're at rock bottom. This is
a very low moment for America. But I have a
lot of faith in the future because we have an example,
We have a model from Charlie on how to move forward,
how to be peaceful, and how to be better than
we have been. So I want to start with you, Steve,
what do you think really is the best path forward
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from this moment?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Now?
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Oh, well, you through me for a loop. I didn't
know you're gonna play her Erica's video. Just last night
we were up pretty late. We had a vigil here
in Franklin, Tennessee, about two thousand people. I think that's
a record. Some folks from Turning Point USA, amazing leaders
and speakers. And I mentioned that because the outpouring that
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we've seen from Charlie Kirk means that he transcends the
person and himself. Right, his message, especially to young people,
is going to endure. I always said after Andrew Breitbart died,
he spawned about one hundred Andrew Breitbart's Ben Shapiro and
Charlie Kirk, amongst them Steve Bannon as well. And when
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Rush Limbaugh died, he spawned about a thousand on radio,
conservative minded, liberty minded constitutionalist like Dan Bongino, who's the
Deputy Director of the FBI, now Christagall and many more
that you know. I believe Charlie Kirk's legacy will be
about a maybe ten million young, active, faith based, Christian,
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patriotic conservative Americans who will follow Erica's lead and keep
the message alive. And we saw this places like Soul,
Korea and London where they got somewhere estimates three million,
maybe a million somewhere between out in the street saying
we agree with Charlie, not with the vitriol that we
hear on the left in social media land that doesn't
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really exist. I don't want to filibuster, but that's my
theory is that what Charlie was able to do in
his thirty one years is a lot like what MLK
was able to do in his nine years, or Robert
Kennedy Junior, sorry senior was able to do and his
brother John F. Kennedy create another movement of young, vibrant, energetic, smart, intelligent,
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articulate leaders that can get us away from this cancel culture.
This woke, this, shut everybody down, this anti First Amendment rhetoric,
and get us back to the America that was the
greatest century, last one.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Completely understood Erica. By the way, my thoughts and prayers
are with her. What a strong individual. Really, I can't
even imagine what she's going through.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Tom.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I want to turn to you for a moment, because
you fought for this country and you're actively seeking public
office right now in it. What is it like for
you to see this moment and what are you hoping
for for the future.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Well, when I'm for is that people actually look at
the way Charlie asked questions. See, he drew people to
think in their own heads. I was blessed at least
meet the guy once. Pretty early on. I was the
chair of the Michigan Conservative Union in twenty nineteen, ended
up going to Seapeck and everybody goes, you need to
go meet this young kid, Charlie Kirk. We met him
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there and I got to listen to him speak, and
he was very bright and intelligent. I've never got a
chance to really meet him again after that, but we
got to see the movement that he built across the
country on the planet, and we should be blessed to
really stop and think that his hero was Jesus Christ
for dying on the cross for our sins. He lived
in the same way in which Jesus lived in the
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New Testament. The New Testament, Jesus consistently asks followers questions,
drawing them to how you treat people, how you treat
your fellow man. So he lived all the very biblical
principles that are laid out in that New Testament, which
are fundamental in our First Amendment rights. So, in being
in Afghani stand, I used to make my soldiers read
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the United States Constitution because a lot of them had
never read it in school, and so I made it
read it so they knew what they were swearing to
a pold and defend. Which is very sad that you
would you join the military and swear to defend something
you'd never read before. But that First Amendment is fundamental
within our faith in who we are as a people.
A peaceful discourse is important. I stop and I think
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about watching these liberals celebrate his death, some of these
extremists out there, and they're like, if you know, I
think to myself, if death is appropriate for freedom of speech,
don't be surprised when you get fired for yours. And
I think, to a degree, that's an appropriate reaction because
we're not reacting and responding with more violence. We're responding
with there are consequences to your actions and the way
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that you behave. But I think what Charlie would really
want in this moment is that that dialogue to continue,
and everybody in the media, from your show to even
CNN as they actually sitting there and saying, listen, this
has gone too far. It's time for this peaceful discourse.
This is a massive generational unifying moment for this country.
And I think all of us were blessed to have
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somebody like him, and every generation America has been blessed
with somebody with faith and principal standing up and drawing
us forward. And I think of you know JFK, as
you brought them up, and you think about that civil
discourse at JFK and very Goldwater we're going to have
in the nineteen sixty four presidential election. Yes, and those
two men wanted to do Lincoln Douglas Lincoln Douglas style
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debates in order to unify America within their message, so
they could see that the differences were about how we
proceed with solutions in who we are as a people
through principal, faith and belief.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, really, really well, said I think at this point
the message is clear. We all have a responsibility as Americans,
as citizens to play our part, to be a part
of the solution, to be the change we want to
see in the world. Truly, and I know it's cliche,
people say that all the time, but it's because of
it's true. It's profoundly true. And maybe I'm just realizing
that myself now in a way that I hadn't before.
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But I want to just say thank you both, you gentlemen,
for being here. This is very sensitive stuff. It's a
low moment for our country, but I'm hoping and praying
for a lot better in the future, and I thank
you both for your time today. Coming up next, what
exactly is behind the radicalization of America's youth. That's the
question at the center of today's next story. A several
lawmakers suggest that the internet is possibly responsible for following
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the heartbreaking assassination of Charlie Kirk last Wednesday. More details
after the break.
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Speaker 7 (17:01):
The algorithm pushes people to the most extreme. The algorithm
is on social media, is always pushed in who's the angriest,
who's the loudest. The Online Kids Safety Act is a
great piece of legislation to be able to protect our kids.
We are seeing people radicalize online, on social media and
through the Internet in the United States, by other Americans
and by the algorithm that's there.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
That right there is Oklahoma Republican Senator James Linkford on
yesterday's Face the Nation spotlighting how algorithms are fuelling radicalization
amid the fallout from Charlie Kirk's assassination. Kirk's deranged assassin,
a leftist with a trail of anti fascist online screeds,
pulled the trigger at Utah Valley University in Orum last week,
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sparking cries that social media turned him into a monster.
Delaware Democrat Chris Coons piled on, calling the Internet a
driver of extremism on Face the Nation two. Even some
experts agree radicalizations speeding up online, with a twenty twenty
three NIJ report noting the internet's complex role in facilitating extremism,
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but not as the sole cause. Then Utah Governor Spencer
Cox points to the assassin's web fueled rage through his
transgender roommates, conservative hatred and adding intrigue, but a social
media birthing killers or just gassing up the deranged. A
UNESCO analysis finds weak evidence of a direct causal link
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to violence, instead pointing to how it amplifies vulnerable individuals
existing tendencies. Now, California's SB nine seven six, the Protecting
Our Kids from Social Media Addiction Act, signed by Governor
Gaven Newsom in September of last year, aims to curb
addictive feeds for miners, and now Reuters says even TikTok
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faces a US ban if the parent company Byte Dance
won't divest by year's end. Stalled over Chinese tariffs. Now,
President Trump is teasing a possible but only time will
tell what really happens. Here with his thoughts is the
acting director of the Center for Education Policy at the
Heritage Foundation, Jonathan Butcher. Jonathan, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Great to be with you. So everybody right.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Now is having this very contentious debate about what's really
driving radicalization and violence in America.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
What do you think the answer is.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
Well, when it comes to social media and young children.
I think that we need to have parents understand the
negative effects that social media are having on young children,
from increasing anxiety among young people to causing a distraction
from schoolwork at home as well as.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
During the school day.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
I think there have been some very thoughtful proposals around
the country that bans cell phone use during the school
day and makes it so that students have to either
hand in their cell phones, turn them off, or not
have access to them. And I think that this is
a step in the right direction. That the question about
how to protect the first men is an important one,
but it's broader than just a free speech issue. This
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is an issue about how parents and how educators can
work together to make sure that students are not exposed
to material that's going to cause them anxiety, or have
them focused on material that's inappropriate age and appropriate for
them at particular agents, especially as they enter into the
early teen years.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
What do you think about the argument that lawmakers and
law enforcement officials should be holding the platforms accountable instead
of the individual content creators who are spewing propaganda and
hatred online.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
I think it's very dangerous to free speech if we
hold the content creators accountable. Again, the best I think
that we should be looking at is what to do
in the long term, and that is going to be
improving civics education in K twelve schools because civics education
teaches civility. It rests on the idea of virtue, and
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we've got to be teaching young people the way in
which to hold conversations and especially hold debates, and if
they can understand that, the way that they act online
or offline in real life is needs to be the same, right.
It needs to be acting with responsibility in virtue, and
the way that they treat people matters. This is the
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long term solution to these questions about.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
What to do.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I completely agree with that, and I'll have one final
one for you then. The way I see it right now, Jonathan,
you have people who are radicalized in years past. The
radicalization process can take months, years, even decades, so you
had all this time between really horrific instances of violence.
Right now, it seems like these things are happening back
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to back to back, and I think in part it's
because it's not the Internet that's to blame, but the
Internet and this thing that makes us all connected accelerates
that process of radicalization. What do you think about my
theory on that.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, I think you're right.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
I mean, I think what social media i'll allows for
people to speak to each other with sort of a
screen in between them, right, and feel like they're unaccountable
for the things that they say, which allows them to
say things that are nasty and vitriolic. And of course
we saw that after the terrible assassination of Charlie Kirk
last week. We're seeing the worst of it and that
is why, in particular for young people, I think it's
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incumbent on parents to be responsible and keep students from
having smartphones until they are well into their teenage years.
I think there have been well reasoned proposals of suggesting
fourteen even sixteen years old before they have access to
a smartphone. Again, when it comes to schools, I think
the policies in place, it would make sense for schools
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to prohibit cell phone use during the school day from
bell to bell. I think issues related to safety and
whether a student can contact their parents those can be
easily mitigated through interactions with teachers or creating a way
for schools to have alarms so that teachers can signal
and find help when there is, say, an instant related
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to student safety. So the bigger issue of how to
keep students away from cell phones is important.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, completely agree with you there.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Unfortunately we are out of time for today, but Jonathan,
thank you for being here. Thank you coming up next.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. This expression
lies at the heart of today's next story, which is
all about the bipartisan push in Washington to curb China's political, social,
and economic influence on the world stage. More details right
(23:31):
after the break.
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Speaker 1 (23:58):
Welcome back to the Real Story. Let's pick up right
where we left off in our last segment with some
really key issues surrounding relations between the US and China. So,
following two days of trade talks between Treasury Secretary scot
Ascent and Chinese officials in Madrid, Spain this weekend, some
very important questions remain about curbing Beijing's economic.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Influence on the world stage.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
China has essentially made itself the world's largest factory, a
worldwide production machine, harnessing cheap labor and in some cases, debatably,
what appears to be slave labor to attract companies from
all over the world, including from right here in the
US and at the expense of American workers. And while
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previous US presidents just turned a blind eye to it
and ignored it, President Trump isn't leading to this economic
showdown that we find ourselves in right now, and it's
not surprising to see from a president who basically created
the America First movement. What is surprising, however, is to
see the Trump administration's pressure campaign on China gain support
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from Democrats. So to that point, Democratic members of the
House Select Committee on China fired off a letter to
Secretary Bessent, US Trade Representative Jameison Greer, and even Commerce
Secretary Howard Lutnik about these critical issues on Friday ahead
of the trade talks that we saw this weekend, and
in it, they urged the inclusion of ironclad binding requirements
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in any new trade deal to dismantle China's rampant industrial
over capacity, especially in sectors like steel and solar panels,
where Beijing's flood of cheap exports has all but hammered
American jobs and global markets.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It's a very curious pivot.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Democrats, long criticized for soft pedaling on China, now aligning
directly with President Trump's tough stance, demanding we force an
overhaul of their state driven economic minde that prioritizes overproduction
at the expense of fair competition. What makes this letter
even more intriguing, though, is the timing and the scope
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of it, coming on those trade talks in Madrid and
building on the ninety day tear off truce extension from
earlier in August that bought US breathing room to avoid
a duty's explosion.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
But here's the.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Serious wrinkle in what's going on. They're pressing for a
multilateral push, urging the Trump team to rally allies like
Japan and South Korea, ironically countries hit by America's recent tariffs,
to craft this international firewall against Beijing's excesses. And remember
that July twenty third deal with Japan where we dialed
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back duties in exchange for their investment pledges. While this
letter suggests Democrats want that balanced approach applied globally, raising
serious questions about whether Trump's tariff hammer will evolve into
a scalpel for lasting wins for America. So now, as
the entire planet watch of this situation unfold, one can't
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help but wonder is this democratic nudge a genuine and
sincere olive branch toward a unified front against China? Or
is it a calculated play to claim credit for policies
that President Trump has championed since day one. The answer
to that question is certainly up for debate, But in
the meantime, Beijing's already pushing back hard, with a Foreign
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Ministry spokesman having dismissed overcapacity talk as hyping for protectionist ends,
vowing to defend their high quality development. But for American
workers and families feeling the pinch from unfair trade, this
could be the start of a meaningful breakthrough, a deal
that doesn't just pause the pain, but actually curbs the
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source of it. Now Here are this thoughts, insight and reaction.
Is Hunter Galer, the CEO of Marketbridge Advisors and a
board member of the New Journey Pack. Thank you for
joining me.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
It's always great to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Of course, for such an important topic, And I want
to start with the fact that this push to curb
China's economic influence is becoming bipartisan.
Speaker 9 (28:14):
What do you make of that, sir well, I'm glad
that the Democrats, if this is really truly authentic, they're
starting to open up the eyes. They're starting to open
up their eyes with what Trump's been saying all along.
China's strategy was very simple. It was flood our markets,
steal our technology, use our money to fuel their rise.
And America's strategy has to be clear, stop financing our competitors,
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defend our workers, and build secure supply chains here at home.
And I think what Democrats are starting to see is
it's affecting their states because of the loss of jobs.
It's it's we're not We're not having it. So they're
they're having to turn to China and say, oh wait,
maybe we should be listening to what Trump has been
telling us for such a long period of time.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
That's a really critic point. I'm glad you made that
so much.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Now, before we continue further, I just want to back
up for a moment and get your perspective on it.
How China found itself in a place where they are
in control of so many supply chains and so much
production in the first place.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
How did we get there?
Speaker 9 (29:16):
Well, we got here because we took our eye off
of the red dragon. I mean, that's just plain and simple,
the amount of growth that they have. And by the way,
the US is a massively consuming market. If we don't consume,
then they're just making stuff and they won't be able
to sustain it. But when you look at the way
that we've had our economic policies and we have been
outsourcing and outsourcing and outsourcing because of cheap labor. And listen,
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I've been to China several times. I work actively with
companies and corporations over in China, both on their mainland
and in Hong Kong, and I can tell you from
a business perspective, it's very simple. You go to where
your money's treated best. And with the cheap labor, and
with the fact that they have a high education workforce
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over there, they have a very disciplined essentially you know,
total control on their people. It makes sense for businesses.
I mean you see companies like Elon musk Is over
there with Tesla, their battery technology, their rare earth minerals.
They're not getting caught up in bureaucracy and Republican versus Democrat,
elephant versus donkey. They're out there saying, look, we're going
to be a superpower. The way we're going to be
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a superpower is we're going to have this quiet war,
and we're going to have the war against the American people.
We're not consumed. We're not manufacturing in America at the
level that China's manufacturing. We don't have the labor force
that China has, we don't have the cost of capital
that China has. And so the year after year, decade
after decade, we've had these Republicans and Democrat controlled houses
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and Senates arguing with one another, while China's over there
laughing with a completely uniformed government saying, we know exactly
how to do this. So they're using all of our
money right to essentially come in and start buying up
American stuff. That's why they own a lot of the farmland.
I mean, you've seen this, You've seen this all throughound America.
I mean, I'm not the only one that's down here
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echoing this, right. I look at this as a massive
globalistic you know, issues you've got capital, you have tariffs,
you've got supply chain, you've got tech controls, and you've
got allies. And unfortunately we need we need a trade NATO. Essentially,
we need when the US, Europe, Japan, and India act together,
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China loses. Okay, they can't play us off each other.
And so you're seeing a lot of these other countries
that we have close relationships with, doing business with China,
doing business with Russia. So you know, this is a
very pivotal economic point that we are at as America.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
It is, and I think because there are so many
different factors and issues that you're touching on here, and
I really appreciate that, the one for me that stands
out above the rest is looking at the material quality
of life for my fellow Americans. Looking at cities all
over the country that have basically been hollowed out, places
that were once thriving are now very depressed, very sad.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Then you see drugs come in and crime.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I'm in businesses flee and it's really sad, and it's
just it's heartbreaking, quite frankly, Hunter. So I think for
President Trump and this White House, above all else, it's
about bringing opportunity back to Americans.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I don't know if tariffs are the perfect approach for that.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Maybe there's a better one, but I want to hear
your thoughts about that, because we've seen the middle class
just be hollowed out in this country. We have millions
of Americans just living paycheck to paycheck, no savings, many
of them deeply in debt, wondering if things are going
to get better, and President Trump is trying to make
them better. The question is how exactly do we do
that and how soon can we do that? So what
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are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Hunter?
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Well, look, I'm not the great prognosticator, but at the
end of the day, I would say very simply, this,
not one more US pension dollar should finance Chinese AI
or semiconductors. Number one. Number two, If it's your money,
it's your money that's building their weapons. It's not investment,
it's surrender. As far as the tariffs are concerned, you know,
tariffs aren't taxes. Essentially their shields in particular case, so
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one hundred percent tariff on Chinese evs is the firewall
that saves the Detroit from being gutted like the US
steel was twenty years ago. And so when you look
at that, we as Americans have to go back to
who we are as Americans. We built incredible cities, we
built industry, we built I mean think about it, airplanes,
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aircraft that came from us. That was two bicycle mechanics,
you know at Kittyhawk. We started the airline world. We
started the car world with the Ford model T not China, right,
not us. We did American And we need to go
back to those routes of build here, train here, you know,
and actually build a real working force. Unfortunately, part of
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the problem is our education system. Our education system is
pushing non trade school jobs. We should go back to that.
And you look at someone like micro who goes and
looks at dirty jobs. We have an aging population in
the United States. We do not have the amount of
population to be able to take over a lot of
these these jobs. So these older industries are starting to go.
The plumbers, the electricians, the welders, and so for these
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boom town economies to happen again, we have to build here.
And that means we have to drill here. That means
we have to mind rare earth minerals here. We have
to explore here. We cannot rely right on containment. Right
containment is means independence. At the end of the day,
if we're having to go to rare earths for batteries
and chips, they should be made in America with or
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with our allies. If we don't have the resources, the
natural resources in other country has, they should be our ally, Okay,
it should not be Beijing's backyard.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Oh understand, No, it makes complete sense. I just want
to say before we get let you go, thank you
for being here and highlighting this.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Absolutely, I appreciate it so much.
Speaker 9 (34:51):
No, thank you for having me and listen. You know,
we beat the Soviets with alliances and innovation, economic strength,
and we can contain China the same way by putting
America first and refusing to bankroll, you know, our own decline.
So I appreciate being on the show as always.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Coming up next, the Trump administration doubles down on its
approach to bolstering public safety in the aftermath of the
Charlie Kirk assassination and also in light of a recent
string of brazen attacks at the hands of dangerous people
who shouldn't have been on the streets in the first place.
More details about that approach after the.
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Speaker 1 (35:51):
Welcome back to the Real Story. Today's next segment brings
us back to the theme of public safety, which we
talked about at the top of today's show. After everything
that happened last week, there's been a somewhat bipartisan push
to bolster public safety in the US. However, one of
the ongoing issues and going about that is this disagreement
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about what really constitutes public safety. In other words, what
does that really mean and what does it look like
to bolster public safety in practice? Does it mean, say,
deploying more members of the National Guard to crime ridden
areas of the country. Does it mean ramping up ICE's
ability to identify and detain dangerous illegal immigrants who have
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criminal records. These are some extremely important and pressing questions
to face, and they bring us to the ongoing showdown
over safety between the Trump administration and Muriel Bowser, the
mayor of Washington, d C. So in a bold stand
for law, order and the rule of immigration enforcement. President
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Trump has just issued a stark warning to Washington, DC's
leadership amid a deepening rift over cooperation with federal authorities.
Speaking directly to the country on Monday via truth Social,
the President vowed to declare a national emergency and federalize
the nation's capital if Mayor Muriel Bowser's Metropolitan Police Department
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refuses to share critical information on individuals living in or
entering the US illegally with Immigration and Customs enforcement. President Trump,
who deployed over two thousand National Guard troops to the
streets of DC roughly one month ago, emphasized boldly that
this non cooperation, allegedly pressured by members of the radical left,
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would unleash a roaring back of criminal activity and on
true social He wrote, in part to the people and
businesses of Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I am with you and won't allow this to happen.
I'll call a national emergency and federalize if necessary. Interesting Now,
while some people believe this approach is unwarranted, some recent
developments all over the country suggest otherwise. For example, a
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Cuban national named Jordanis Cobos Martinez, who is living in
the US illegally, recently beheaded the manager of a motel
in Dallas, Texas just days ago on Friday of last week. Actually,
the victim was from India and had been living in
the US since twenty eighteen, and while it's still unknown
if he came to the US entirely legally himself, the
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story is still tragic and unacceptable, especially since he was
beheaded in front of his own wife and children. Now
the suspect is being held in Dallas County jail or
with bond or without bond, on an immigration detainer, and
he's facing a charge of capital murder. He also confessed
to the crime after he was arrested, for whatever it's worth.
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In fact, police officers found him covered in blood with
a machete in his hand afterwards, and reports say that
he placed the victim's head inside of a dumpster and
then on top of it all just to make matters
even more disturbing. The suspect was only free in the
first place because the Biden administration had previously released him
in January, just days before President Trump was inaugurated. He
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was released on January thirteenth on an order of supervision,
and his home country of Cuba didn't even want to
take him back due to his extensive criminal history, which
ICE officials have said includes child sex abuse, car jacking,
and grand theft of.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
A motor vehicle.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Preventing more crimes like this one is exactly why the
Trump administration is mobilizing federal forces. And while certain lawmakers
out there might not appreciate the move or even agree
with it, they also don't seem to have any better
solutions to these pressing public safety issues.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
So what exactly is the White House.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Supposed to do with What answer to that question is
Andrew Arthur, a Resident fellow in law and Policy at
the Center for Immigration Studies. Andrew, thank you for being here, sir.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Thank you for hav me Riley.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
So interesting situation here, tragic, of course, But on one hand,
you see Democrats all over the country to crying the
White House for sending in federal agents to clean up crime.
At the same time they're enabling this massive crime wave
to happen in the first place, and they don't have
any better solutions to it.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
So what do you make of that?
Speaker 9 (40:31):
So?
Speaker 10 (40:31):
Yeah, I mean, you know this really is an exceptional
situation if you think about it, Riley, because we've basically
created a special class of individuals who are off limits
to law enforcement, and those are the individuals who have
no right to be in the United States to begin with. This,
you know, completely turns the law on its head. This is,
(40:53):
you know, through the looking glass logic when you think
about it, when you think about criminal recidiis and we
know from Bureau Justice statistics that about forty four percent
of all criminals are rearrested within one year. That jumps
up this sixty three percent within three years, and it's
eighty nine percent within eight years. So if we really
(41:15):
want to get serious about criminality, we want to get
criminals off the streets, and if they're aliens, we want
to get them out of the United States because we
don't want that second, that third, that fourth crime to occur.
In the case of the individual, the Cuban who beheaded
a motel manager, I mean, this is a dangerous individual.
(41:36):
He never should have been allowed out of custody. But
this is a game the Cuba has been playing for
almost my entire life. They ship criminals and mentally ill
individuals to the United States. They get here. This all
started under the queue, under the Carter administration, and then
we can't get rid of them. Those are the people
we need to get rid of. We need to keep
our streets safe. If you want to enforce the law,
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start by deporting criminals, well.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I imagine in Cuba isn't the only country to do
this and exploit our ridiculous policies. But also shame on
the Biden administration. I mean, to let this man back
out onto the streets even though his own home country
won't take him is really a slap in the face
to every American. And for whatever it's worth, Andrew, I
want to call attention to one statement. Maybe people like
Mayor Bowser and DC could take some advice from her
(42:22):
fellow Democrats. This is someone who normally I disagree with
him about basically everything. But we have a California Rep.
Actually Rocanna, who had this to say in light of
it quote, the brutal beheading of a hard working Indian
American immigrant in front of his wife and son is horrific.
The murderer had multiple prior arrests for violent theft and
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child endangerment and was undocumented. He should not have been
free on American streets. I just I completely agree with that,
and I'm really hoping that some other Democrat lawmakers around
the country would heed that warning, because if we don't
do more right now, than what's to stop someone from
doing it again.
Speaker 10 (43:03):
Yeah, and maybe mister Conna should go back to the
state legislature in California and tell them to undo their
ridiculous SB fifty four law that prevents all California law
enforcement from assisting ice in any way. I was in
San Diego in March, and everybody that I talked to, state, local,
and federal told me that, you know, that law is
(43:25):
an impediment to actually cleaning up the streets, to making
the Golden State safe. When I was a young man,
when I was a trial attorney in San Francisco in
the nineties, border patrol agents would regularly go through the
local jails. They would round up criminals, they would take
them off the street, and everybody liked it because one,
it saved the state and locality money that they would
(43:46):
otherwise have to detain these people. And again, as we
noted just a moment ago, Riley, it you know, cuts
down on recidivism. But you know this new law is
you know that time's negative one. California used to have
a three and your outlaw because they understood that criminals
needed to be off the streets. Now they are coddling.
They are building a wall around immigration enforcement, and they
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stamp their little feats in the in the streets of
Los Angeles. Both Mayor Basque, Karen bas of Los Angeles
and Governor Gavin Newsom, former mayor of San Francisco now governor.
And you know, they say they want to take a stand.
This is pure politics, you know, because anything that Donald
Trump likes, they don't like, and they view it as
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their way of, you know, getting back at the man,
apparently not appreciating the fact they are now the man
or the woman. But you know, let's get our streets safe.
Let's get the criminals off the streets. Let's get these
people out of the United States. You know, I don't
agree with Rocannon much, but I agree with them one
hundred percent on this one. I hope it's not simply
because the victim was an Indian. There are victims of
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all races, nationalities, and creeds in this country that we
can keep safe if we just enforce the immigration laws.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
And talk to your point earlier.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Talk to anybody who's living in La now San Francisco
right now, you walk through the streets, you see ten cities, homelessness,
used needles on the ground. You're just trying to walk
your dog in North Beach in San Francisco, which is
supposed to be a nice area of the city, and
you have used needles all over the streets. And so
you call the city and you say we have to
do something about this, and they say, okay, well give
(45:24):
us six hours, eight hours, ten hours, and then maybe
we'll clean it up. Couple that with the fact that
Gavin Newsen didn't want to clean up the city streets
until jijimping comes down, and it makes you wonder, g
maybe Gavin's working for the CCP.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
But setting that aside for.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Just a moment, I have to ask you, Andrew, while
we have you to your point about coddling criminals, do
you think it's about just opposing anything President Trump stands
for or do you think there's a sort of deeper
and sinister motive here to protecting the people who are
destroying America's cities.
Speaker 9 (45:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (45:57):
No, I mean priorities from this country are way out
of whack. We should be supporting, you know, the innocent.
We should be supporting the hard working families. We should
be you know, protecting women on public transit. We should
not be you know, sending out forces, you know, sending
out you know, tweets and you know, standing up and
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holding press conferences to talk about how much we're going
to protect criminals. We've completely lost our way in many
of these big cities. And that explains why there are
a lot of people who have moved to a state
like North Carolina, where I currently live, because they want
to be safe. They want to have responsible government that
has its priorities straight. Now again, there are some you know,
(46:41):
unfortunate spots in North Carolina, like Charlotte, where you know,
people have forgotten what made the United States and made
the state of North Carolina great. We need to get
back to that, Riley. We need to remember that, you know,
the main duty of any government is first and foremost
to protect it's citizens. It's citizens, not people who were
(47:03):
stupping through, not people who were living in a motel
because the Biden administration didn't want to deport them. We
need to be deporting people. Getting the criminals saw up
the streets and letting our hard working, law abiding citizens
feel safe again.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Very well said.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
And for these people who get put back out onto
the streets, it's just a violation of America's one of
our foundational ideas. To your point, you protect the innocent
and you punish the guilty. It's so simple a child
could understand it. And for that reason, I think there's
something much darker going on here. I don't know, that's
just what my gut tells me. But Andrew, I just
want to say thank you for being here today and
(47:41):
talking about this really important issue with me.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (47:45):
Thank you so much for having me, and I hope
a lot of people listen to your message.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Coming up next, NASA appears to make a very interesting
discovery that raises some critical questions about the world around us.
More details about it after the break.
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Speaker 1 (48:28):
Welcome back to the Real Story. The age old question
are we alone? Gets closer to being answered every single day.
And through amazing programs like NASA Space Exploration is at
our fingertips, and we have more resources now than ever
before to be able to answer that question. In fact,
(48:48):
some recent findings by NASA's Mars rover Perseverance, actually found
exposed rocks and a dry river channel that could reveal
signs of ancient microscopic life. Scientists reported these findings on Wednesday,
stressing that in depth analysis is needed of these samples
gathered by Perseverance before any concrete conclusions can be made. However,
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it's very curious on the surface now. NASA's Science Mission
chief Nicki Fox even said this finding is quote the
closest we've actually come to finding ancient.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Life on Mars now.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Other knowledgeable sources have also said that non biological processes
could be to blame for the finding, although only time
will really tell what's going on. But Perseverance has been
on Mars since the year twenty twenty one, and while
it can't test for past or present life itself, it
has all the tools it needs to collect samples for
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testing back here on Earth. So now NASA is currently
awaiting retrieval of thirty samples that Perseverance has gathered in total,
and Joel Heroitz of Stonybrook University and lead researcher of
this fascinating project, even told the Associated Press that while
this isn't concrete evidence of ancient life, certain byproducts have
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been observed that on Earth come about through organic processes,
so at this point, NASA's return plan for Perseverance is
a little bit fuzzy. However, Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy,
who's also NASA's acting administrator, has said that no options
are off the table and the return date for the
samples as of now is set in the twenty forties.
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