September 8, 2025 • 51 mins
Seven Politicians from Germany's Right-Wing Populist Party die within two weeks; is this a tragic coincidence or evidence of something more sinister?
Guests:
Auron MacIntyre | Columnist, Blaze Media & Podcast Host, The Auron MacIntyre Show
Emily Berning | President, Let Them Live
Michael Letts | Founder & CEO, InVest USA
Nils Grevillius | Private Detective
Phil Lenczycki | Senior Investigative Reporter, Daily Caller News
Guests:
Auron MacIntyre | Columnist, Blaze Media & Podcast Host, The Auron MacIntyre Show
Emily Berning | President, Let Them Live
Michael Letts | Founder & CEO, InVest USA
Nils Grevillius | Private Detective
Phil Lenczycki | Senior Investigative Reporter, Daily Caller News
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to the Real Story. I'm your host, Riley Lewis,
and thank you for joining us. Today's top story brings
us to a chilling mystery. It's an extremely disturbing story
from Germany that is raising eyebrows all across the country
and even across Europe, leaving many observers out there buzzing
with questions and suspicions. So, with that being said, imagine this.
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Seven candidates from a right wing populist political party in
Germany known as Alternative for Germany or AfD, have mysteriously
died during a heated local election campaign in Germany's North
Rhine Westphalia region. Each of these individuals also died within
a period of just about two weeks, and these specific
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circumstances surrounding their deaths are actively being disputed.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Some recent reports have claimed that the causes of deaths
here are simply natural ones. However, a report from Euronews
that was released on Friday, September fifth said the causes
of death range from natural ones to suicide, prompting a
wide range of theories about the situation to emerge online.
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Of course, many people now are wondering what's really going on.
What is the truth. In an era of disinformation, misinformation
and propaganda pushing, it can be very difficult to know
what's real, especially since these people aren't just any other politicians.
In fact, their party, the AfD, has been surging in popularity,
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capturing a record twenty point eight percent of the vote
in federal elections back in February, finishing just second overall.
Now led by the sharp minded Alice Widel, the party
has claimed historic wins, including its first regional election in
Thuringia last year, but now with district, municipal and mayoral
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races that are scheduled for September fourteenth, actively heating up
and involving some twenty thousand candidates, these deaths, including four
within just thirteen days, are raising sincere and important questions
that brings us to one as an example, is the
situation merely a tragic and unfortunate coincidence, or alternatively, is
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something far more sinister at work. This is a pivotal
moment for a transformative political party and a movement which
is directly challenging Germany's political establishment, and people have every
right to be curious about these mysterious cluster of deaths.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Maybe it's nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Maybe it's all just normal and random, or or maybe
there's some kind of conspiracy under way. One thing that's
also quite curious about this whole situation is this Germany's
domestic intelligence agency, known as the Federal Office for the
Protection of the Constitution, has labeled this political party as
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a confirmed right wing extremist organization this year. So we
have something of a revolutionary political party that's actively facing
pressure from the state, and several of its most prominent
candidates for office just suddenly die right before an extremely
important election cycle that many people believe will be contentious
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and at a time when German society is widely facing
immense social strife.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
But what's even more curious, though, is the response to
these deaths. For example, German police, possibly in an attempt
to downplay the situation's gravity, maintain there's no evidence of
foul play, with also no evidence of criminal activity. Additionally,
a spokesperson in the state has even dismissed any suspicions,
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and the North Rhine Westphilia Ministry of the Interior has
pointed out that candidates from other parties have also passed
away during this campaign, though without specifying numbers, which is
really the whole crux of the story. Still, the sheer
tally for AfD alone, including backups on the ballot, prompts scrutiny.
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After all, we're talking about seven lives having been lost,
including those alternate candidates, which statistically seems almost impossible. That's
exactly why various theories are exploding across social media, where
countless posts on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook and x are amassing
hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of views, with several
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of them entertaining the idea of foul play, albeit yes,
of course, without any concrete evidence to support the claims.
So could political rivals or deeper forces really be at
play here silencing voices that challenge the status quo Hard
to say, however, There's ultimately only one way to know,
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through a thorough investigation that objectively looks at every single possibility.
After all, this is a critical moment for the country.
The AfD has had this meteoric rise in recent years
as it challenges the norm, and these deaths have happened
within just days of the polls set to open for
the elections. Now Here with reaction is columnist at the
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Blaze and host of The Oran McIntyre Show podcast orin McIntyre, Oran,
thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
So this is a very strange situation and I'm still
trying to figure out exactly what's going on. So I
want to get your initial thoughts to this story.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Well you, like I said, Like you said, a lot
of people don't understand the election dynamics in Germany. There
are actually laws on the books that allow the government
to review the status of different parties and if they're
found to be two right wing, they can actually be
banned from running in the country. And obviously this is
a holdover from the country's past, right after its defeat
in World War Two. You can understand why such a
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concern would exist then, but now it's being applied to
parties like the AfD that clearly are in no way
national socialists, but are simply basic right wing parties who
oppose immigration as a major issue, and that ability to
kind of weaponize the state apparatus towards right wing parties
as a huge problem. AfD has already been threatened repeatedly
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with the possibility that it could be completely banned from
operating inside the country. And as you said, has already
been designated as a right wing extremist party by the
state itself. So now you have, along with all of
these details and the fact that the AfD continues to
surge no matter what the government says, you have this
simultaneous death of so many candidates.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Now, if it was one or maybe even.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Two, we would think, okay, very suspicious perhaps, but we
could chalk that up to some kind of accident. Things
do happen, But the fact that seven separate candidates over
a few weeks have been willing to or have actually
had this happen to them is insane and obviously raises
a lot of really legitimate.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Questions, as it should, and I can't say I have
the answers, but like many other people, I am curious
now before we move forward, just to set the stage,
because you've just alluded to it a little bit, what
is AfD and what does their party stand for?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Well, I'm not an expert on German politics, but I
have spoken to many people who are supporters of AfD,
who are members of the AfD, and ultimately it seems
primarily to be a party about moderate immigration reform Germany,
like many European countries has opened its borders to many
migrants and has created a crisis inside that country in
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their relationships with the communities that have now been created.
Many people in Germany, as with so many other Western nations,
are looking to scale back, but once again, like many
other nations, the government is fighting them tooth and nail.
I don't know every one of their positions, so I
can't sit here and endorse them, but I will say
that this is obviously a position that should be allowed
in the public square, and the fact that they're receiving threats,
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they're being labeled far right, and possibly even watching members
die because of these positions is very concerning.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It is, and it makes me wonder if the political
establishment there and I am also not an expert, but
just from Afar, it really seems like they are trying
to silence this political movement, and I'm wondering if that's
because they're gaining so much popularity. What do you think orin.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I think that's true, and I think it's especially true
among the young set. And this is again a problem
for many nations across the Western world. Right wingers, especially
of the younger variety, are.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Fed up with the excuses.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
They are a new generation that has seen the terrible
impact that immigration has had on their country, and they're
not going to be cowed by mean names like so
many conservatives before them. So I think it's just very
clear that not only is the party a threat, but
there's a generational threat where Germany is concerned that can
no longer control the narrative with the younger people that
are coming up in right wing politics, and that scares
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them for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Absolutely. Now you just said they stand for moderate immigration
reform in terms of policy, what exactly does that look like.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Again, I'm not a familiar with every aspect of their prescriptions,
but as far as I understand, they're looking to severely
limit and possibly even deport some people who should not
be there. Again, I don't think they're looking for any
kind of cleansing of all people who are not German.
I don't think they're looking for anything extreme like a
racial test for who is ever inside the country. I
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think they're simply looking to be able to decide who enters,
whether those people are good for the country, and whether
the people who are already there but are not official
citizens are actually ultimately beneficial to the German population. If
the answer is no, they should have the right to
ask them to leave again. All sensible things that I
think ultimately nations should be able to deploy in the
interests of their peoples.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Agreed, And you know, I have this theory about it,
and I would love your thoughts about this orn because
we are seeing a backlash to illegal and legal migration
all over the West and the United States, in Ireland,
in the UK, in Germany and France, and I just
really have this feeling that we are boiling towards.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Some sort of global upheaval or.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Dare I say, revolution against mass migration again, legal and illegal.
I don't know when that might come or what it
would look like necessarily, but I want to get your
thoughts about that theory of mine.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think you're right, and I think the big difference
that a lot of people are looking at is for many,
many decades, conservatives or right wingers across the West were
told that it was only illegal immigration that was the problem,
and ultimately immigration, national identity. These things are simply a process,
a set of paperwork that one goes through and then
the problem is solved. But what we're seeing over and
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over again, is it's not just the illegal immigrants, though
they are the priority, but mass legal immigration is also
radically changing the cultures of these countries. Yes, and the
people there did not agree to this, and so what
they're hoping for is, ultimately, I think, a peaceful resolution
to this problem simply asking us to dial down the
amount of legal immigration that is occurring. But if these
states continue to ignore the desires of their residents, I
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think ultimately they're going to find themselves in a serious situation.
We've already seen riots in places like Ireland and the UK,
and I think they're only going to get worse as
people are convinced that there is no political solution to
their problem.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So let's talk about what that looks like then, because
we have two situations here. Either one the political ruling
class in the West starts paying attention and close the
border really strict limitations on legal migration, really strict qualifications,
or they double down on open borders policies and there's
a huge backlash to that. What do you think is
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more likely to happen as of right now?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
What we've already seen leaders like here Starmar give their
his island of Stranger's speech and talk about possibly deporting
or limiting imation. I think the ruling class does recognize
that they did hit a hard limit on their ability
to do this program.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
The downside is that.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Cure Stummer is basically already apologized for that speech, and
it seems like while they are dialing back some of
the immigration, they are no way halting it. And so
I think what we're going to see is probably adjustment
where these governments attempt to moderate a halfway policy where
they continue to allow immigration but dial back the numbers some.
They put forward some rhetoric about assimilation. These things stop
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attacking the native population at every turn, but they don't
stop the flow. I think that will ultimately fail if
they do not actually adjust the immigration numbers. That window
dressing isn't going to be enough as the situation worsens.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Okay, Now, the question I guess I'm sort of trying
to get to here as well, is because you've spoken
with people who are familiar with AfD, who know what
the platform is really about, could you just clarify their
vision for what they want to see happen in Germany?
Because I'm very curious and frankly I don't trust a
lot of these reports that label them as some sort
of far right wing extremist groups. So what is it
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that they really want for the future of Germany?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Again, I don't want to speak on their behalf, but
from what I have observed, it does seem that one
of their major concerns is really the need to completely
deconstruct and attack German national identity. Of course, after World
War Two, this subject is very, very delicate. You understand
why this is such a hot point, but in many ways,
the entire kind of regime of that country has inverted
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itself into this self hatred where all they do is
point out the bad events in Germany's history and they
make that define the entire country going forward. I think
a lot of people in Germany just want to be
proud to be German again.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
They understand the.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Mistakes their ancestors made, they're willing to acknowledge them, but
they ultimately don't want to spend the rest of their
existence hating themselves over one historical event. And so I
think a big part of that party, along with restoring
some sanity to the immigration situation, is understanding that German
egen can ultimately be a positive thing, that it's okay
to be proud to be German, to want to be German,
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but understanding and moderating that with of course a historical
eye towards what happened in the middle of the last century.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Absolutely, and then final question for you, because it's just
so strange to me to see not one, not two,
but more than five people from the same political movement
all die right before an extremely contentious election. This question
calls for some speculation, So we're not saying anything we
know is for sure, But what do you think is
really going on here?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Like you said, I of course have no special knowledge
that isn't available in the reports. But when you see
that much smoke, you have to wonder about fire. That
many candidates dying so close simultaneously, I think means there
should be a very thorough investigation. Some very serious eyebrows
should be raised. I'm not jumping to any conclusions, but
if I saw five or six Democratic politicians simultaneously die
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in the middle of the Trump administration's attempt to win
an election, I would wonder. I would have some questions
about what's going on there. I think it's only fair
to have the same questions in Germany.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Absolutely, and I know there's a lot of speculation going
on here, but it's just it's very mysterious and disturbing,
and I just appreciate you coming on and talking about
this because very few people are so orn. Truly, thank
you for your time today, Thanks again for having me.
Coming up next, a massive investigation is currently underway at
the University of Kentucky following the recent discovery of a
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deceased child inside the closet of a student athlete's residence.
More details about what's really going on here after the.
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Welcome back to the Real Story.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Continuing with our theme of unsolved mysteries, today's next segment
brings us to a haunting one unfolding at the University
of Kentucky. That's where the sudden death of a newborn
infant who was allegedly concealed in a college student athlete's
closet has left an entire community reeling and also authorities
grappling with more questions than answers following an inconclusive autopsy.
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It's a very troubling situation that also raises some important
questions that need to be addressed. However, for those who
haven't heard much about this story, picture this. A promising
young athlete at the University of Kentucky, poised for great success,
suddenly entangled in a tragedy that defies easy explanation. Laken Snelling,
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a twenty one year old senior and standout on the
school's stunt team, finds herself at the center of a
case involving the death of a newborn baby boy, discovered
hidden away inside of her own closet. Now, what led
to this grim find isn't known just yet. However, as
we peel back the layers and as more information comes
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to light, the details only deepen the intrigue that brings
us to the story's beginning. It was two weekends ago
in Lexington, Kentucky, when authorities were called to Snelling's home
after the lifeless infant was found wrapped inside of a
towel and then stuffed inside of a black trash bag. Now, Snelling,
who hails from Jefferson City, Tennessee, reportedly admitted to giving
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birth on August twenty seventh, but claims she tried to
conceal the evidence, then arrested on Sunday. She's facing serious
charges including abuse of a corpse, tampering with physical evidence,
and concealing the birth of an infant. Yet, in a
surprising courtroom twist, she recently pleaded not guilty, posted a
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one hundred thousand dollars bond, and was even released on
house arrest at her parents' home some two hundred miles away,
leaving us with a whole lot of questions about what's
really going on. For example, who knew about this pregnancy,
if anyone, and how exactly did a college athlete balancing
classes and competitions navigate such a hidden or deal. Then,
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on top of it all, the silence from her attorney
is only fueling the curiosity about what really transpired.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
For the heart of the whole mystery, the Fayette County
Coroner's office released preliminary autopsy results last Wednesday, and they're inconclusive,
with no clear cause of death, no visible wounds, and
no signs.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Of foul play.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Corner Gary Jinn is urging patience now emphasizing a thorough
and methodical investigation with more tests under weigh and other
experts out there believe subtile factors might be at play,
though invisible to the naked eye. But again, it's very
hard to say what really took place based on this
limited insight. But in either case, the story gets even
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more curious due to the involvement of Isaiah Hall, Snelling's
twenty one year old ex boyfriend and a quarterback at
Cumberland University in Lebanon, Tennessee. Hall voluntarily provided a DNA
sample to Lexington Police just last week, aiming to clarify
if he's really the father, although Hall is declining to
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detail their breakup. Then, adding to the story, Stelling's current boyfriend,
former college basketball player Connor Jordan, has all but vanished
from social media, and now Snelling herself awaits her next
court date on September twenty sixth. Here with her thoughts
and reaction is Emily Burning, president of Let Them Live,
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a nonprofit organization that aims to prevent abortions by providing
emotional and financial support to women in crisis pregnancy situations. Emily,
thank you for being here today.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Yeah, thank you for having me, Riley, this is such
a sad thing to talk about, but I think it's
very important, agreed.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So let's start with your initial thoughts then about the case.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
Yeah, I just posted a video today on my Instagram
just kind of talking about it.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
You know.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
My first thought is, obviously, this is extremely tragic. Whenever
I see in the news a child, an infant, a toddler,
and any any child who is the victim of something
or you know, is found killed, it's just tragic because
we know that they're the most defenseless among us. So
that's the first thing. The second thing is, you know,
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rightly so this has gotten a lot of media attention,
But then I also have to wonder where that media
attention is for the millions of other babies who are aborted,
you know, in the United States and abroad as well.
So this kind of brings us into a bigger picture
of well do we value life as a society, When
do we value life? When do we believe that there's
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a right to be protected as a human being? And
it's extremely tragic. It also kind of brings into question
things like what kind of support do women have while
they're pregnant. Do they know that they have support, Do
they know that they have resources available to them, or
is it always pushed as abortion or nothing else?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Completely agreed, And obviously with an active investigation underway, there's
still a lot of information that needs to come to light,
and I can't say conclusively anything at this point other
than it's a tragedy, like you said, But I do
have to wonder about the circumstances of her life in
terms of family support, financial support, emotional support, because this
is the kind of situation where a group like Planned
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Parenthood would come in and start exploiting women who are
in crisis pregnancy. So I want to get your thoughts
about that angle here on the story and whether or
not it sort of rings true from millions of other
women in this country who do find themselves in a
possibly similar position.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Yeah, well, you're so right that we just don't have
all the information here, and hopefully we'll start to get
more information over the coming weeks. But this really does
paint the picture of the reality that organizations like Let
Them Live and many other pro life organizations are up
against that we want women to have this knowledge.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Right.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
For so long, Planned Parenthood has kind of been the
solution it's not a good one obviously to exacted pregnancies.
But the problem with that is that has completely blocked
out the availability of information about nonprofits like Let Them Live.
And I also have to point out nonprofit the safe
Haven baby boxes or just safe had laws in general.
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There are laws in almost every state I believe where
you can take your baby if you've given birth, and
you can drop your baby off, no questions asked anonymously,
and in many states, including Kentucky. In Kentucky there's over
fifty safe Haven baby boxes at different locations like fire
stations and police departments where you can safely put your
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newborn baby in there and surrender your baby. In fact,
there was just one ten minutes away from where like
Snelling was, So it brings into question did she even
know about that? You know, the a pro choice planned
parenthood crowd has done such a good job of blocking
women from knowing what their options are and the resources
available to them, that we saw this tragedy happen. And
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again I don't know all of the details, but I
do wonder if it could have been prevented, and so.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Do I and so.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
On that note, I'm hoping you could take just a
moment here with us, Emily and give people the backstory
because we've had you on the show to talk about
your organization before, but for people who might have forgotten,
how did your organization get started and what do your
services entail?
Speaker 7 (23:38):
Yeah, my husband and I were reached out to by
a girl on Facebook whose cousin had an abortion scheduled.
She was living in her car and got evicted and
it was freezing outside and just lost her job. Everything
was terrible, and my husband just had this idea that
we could help this young woman who was pregnant and
help her cancel her abortion, and we gave all the
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money in our bank account. It wasn't that much, but
we helped her to get back into her apartment and
out of the cold and just to have a roof
over her head, and that made all the difference. So
she canceled her abortion and chose life and sent us
her ultrasound. And that's what led us to start Let
Them Live, was the realization that so many women find
themselves at the juncture of do I have an abortion?
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How do I have this? Maybe it's not possible, and
they just don't have the resources financially, especially to feel
confident in choosing life, and these are real things that
we have to address. It has to be more than
you know, we can, you know, help you with diapers,
which is always really great, but we have to address
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some of their real needs. So we've helped over a
thousand women cancel their abortions and choose life. We provide
emotional support, counseling, financial support, you know, classes and courses
on budgeting and saving and all those things, and we
just help women to get out of that emergency situation
that they feel they're in and help them to make
the choice for life.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You know now that you just said that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I was talking to one of my producers about this
earlier actually, because I think this is such an important
point to make here. Setting aside the debate for a moment.
It's just we have to understand that bringing new life
into the world is a sacred, special thing and it's
no small ordeal, right, So I think it's important for
us to have realistic conversations about empowering groups like yours
to get pregnant mothers all the resources they need, spiritual, emotional,
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and financial all together so they do ultimately make the
right choice. So that website for everybody is let them
live dot org and Emily, I just want to say
thank you for stopping by today because I really really
appreciate your time and your insight and all the work
that your group is doing for this country.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Thank you, Riley, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Coming up next, an expert panel joins us to discuss
the latest updates on the perplexing case of a Southern
California baby who's been missing for roughly three weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
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Speaker 1 (26:26):
Welcome back to the Real Story. Continuing with our theme
of unsolved mysteries, it's time for some critical updates about
a disturbing and perplexing case that we've been covering on
this program for several weeks. That being the case of
Emmanuel Horrow, a California infant that's been missing for roughly
three weeks. It was Thursday August fourteenth, when a Southern
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California woman named Rebecca Harrow claimed that her infant was
snatched right outside of a Big five sporting goods store
in Ukaipa, California, about ten miles east of San Bernardino.
She told police she was assaulted and knocked unconscious all
while changing his diaper, only to wake up and find
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him gone, leading authorities to believe that the baby was kidnapped. However,
as detectives dug deeper into the stories, inconsistencies emerged, and
when authorities confronted her about the inconsistencies in her account,
she didn't want to continue talking to them about the case,
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drawing a whole lot of suspicion about what's really going on. Then,
just over one week later, she and her husband, the
baby's father, were both arrested on suspicion of murder. Now
that brings us to the latest updates about this perplexing case.
Rebecca and Jake Carrow have officially entered not guilty please
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to murder charges despite mounting evidence from investigators pointing to
a tragic pattern of child abuse. They appeared in court
on September fourth at the Riverside Justice Center, standing firm
in their denial as the search for their son's remains
continues in the vast southern California desert, and now they're
facing additional charges for knowingly filing a false report. In fact,
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they're currently being held on one million dollar bail each
in Riverside County Jail. Now representing Rebecca is attorney Jeff Moore,
who notably defended Louise Turpin in that infamous Paris abuse
case several years ago. While Jake has court appointed lawyers
from the Public Defender's Office, and while the real story
about what actually happened is still unknown, investigators say they
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have a pretty strong indication of where the child's body
might be in a remote scrubland area, although unfortunately their
searchers have yet to yield any definitive answers. So now,
as an entire community leaves memorials outside the horror's home,
one can't help but wonder what justice will look like
when the full truth emerges. Then, adding layers to this
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ongoing mystery, Jay Carrow, the baby's father, was already on
probation for a prior child abuse conviction, which obviously begs
the question were there any red flags that the system
might have overlooked, and if so, what exactly needs to
change to prevent something like this from ever happening again.
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Now Here with reaction and insight is Michael Letts, the
founder and CEO of invest USA, and Nils Gravellius, a
private detective based in southern California who has firsthand experience
with investigations into assault, homicide, kidnapping, and much much more. Gentlemen,
thank you for being here. So this is clearly one
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of the strangest cases I've ever seen, and we've been
talking about this on the program for a little while now. Michael,
when we first caught wind of this story a few
weeks ago, we had you on the show and you
said it didn't seem like a kidnapping whatsoever. That was
before they changed it from a kidnapping case between missing
person's case. Now here we are several weeks later and
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both of the baby's parents are facing murder charges. What
do you think about that?
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Well, I think every human watch on this show, we're
pretty much read between the lines. There's no question, you know,
circumstantial evidence was trongly indicate that this child was murdered,
probably by the father, and the mother was went along
with it. She was an associate of that crime. By
helping dispose of the body, etc. Now that's what the
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circumstantial evidence shows. However, you know, in this country, you
have to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It's
much more difficult to get beyond a reasonable doubt when
there's only a circumstantial evidence, when you don't have the body,
you don't have the murder weapon, etc. So, while I
think even they know what they've done, they're being advised
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as any good lawyer would do. Look, you want me
to help get you off with this thing. Personally, what
we have to do is plead not guilty and show
that without a body, without a murder weapon, make them
prove that there's not any reasonable doubt. Yes, there's no question.
They lied to the police. They filed a false police report.
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They thought they could get away with it. They didn't
realize all the video cameras that were around that would
discredit their story. But it still doesn't show the actual child,
or them actually murdering the child, or disposing of the body.
So they're gonna make it hard. They're gonna make it
hard for law enforcement. They're going to try to do
everything they can to give reasonable doubt to the circumstantial
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evidence and hope they get off. And that's just the
way our American judicial system is set up.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Okay, So Michael for a moment. If law enforcement authorities
are unable to find direct evidence tying the baby's parents
to the baby's presumed murder, what does that mean for them?
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Well, if you need to think pursue that charge and
they don't go to do a plea bargain, it means,
you know, presenting that to the evidence of the jury.
And depends on how liberal the jury is. You can
find people that will say, I'm not fully convinced that
they did it. You know what kind of circumstantial evidence
are we talking about. You've got a father who has
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been convicted of abusing children. It's very easy to go
from abuse to abusing too far and causing a death.
But that is circumstantial. You can't prove that that happened
in this case without more substantiation, and that's what law
enforce is going to be looking for. You've got the
wife saying, oh, the child was taking from you, he
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was kidnapped. Oops forgot there were video cameras that show
that actually didn't happen.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
So now I'm just not going to.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Say anything, and I don't know what happened. Once again,
all the circumstances. When people start doing that, most people
realize you're lying, trying to cover something up. But to
actually have a jury say look, I'm going to send
you to jail for the rest of your life, perhaps
even a death penalty over something that I'm not one
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hundred percent sure of my mind, that you give ninety
nine percent sure of it, maybe not one hundred gives
that little wind of opportunity for reasonable doubt and gives
them the opportunity to be found not guilty by a jury,
which helps their defense because then they go to the
prosecutor saying, look, you don't have any hard coret evidence.
It's circumstantial. So let's try to strike a plea bargain here,
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a deal so that we both walk out of here
with our winners. And that's just the way the American
system works.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Okay, understood, Now, Nils and your expert opinion here, I
want to ask you about the possible role of the mother,
Rebecca in this case, because unlike her husband, she doesn't
have a criminal history and certainly not with child abuse.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
So what is your.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Leading theory right now as a you know, in reference
to her role in this situation, and what about it
really stands out to you.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Well, if I caught this case, I would be looking
at her as the more disordered of two psychopaths. She's
older than the husband by I think six years. Her
criminality is just as bad as his in terms of
abusing the child, but the cover up seems to be
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undertaken mostly by her. And I'm going to differ with
my new friend Michael just a little bit. I'd take
this case to a jury in a second, where I
a deputy district attorney. It's a rather conservative, working class
jurypool at u Kaipa. They're basic working men and women,
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big Latino presents out there. If I were up on
charges like this, I wouldn't want to risk judgment by
twelve working Americans like that at all on a case
like this. Now, there is something squeaking around in local
media about the father allegedly confessing to one of the
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homicide investigators having murdered his son and placed him in
a trash can, and most of the search effort at
this point centers around a couple of landfills. Now, I
don't want to get to macabre in my descriptions here.
But the body of an infant disappears quickly if it's
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abandoned in the desert or if it's in a landfill
because of various carrion and other things. If they find
Immanuel's remains, it will be the miraculous hand of God,
and that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Okay, to your point, then, Nils, what happens alternatively, if
they're unable to find the baby's body.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I'd try the case in a second. They've tried many
cases in many states with no found body. People tossed
over boat from ships, people melted down in.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
Plating works, things like that. It can be done. It's
not insurmountable.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
The defense council will go out and say to the
local media about how there is no case, there is nobody,
that sort of thing. But you have a real problem
to get over if you're a defense counsel in a
case like that, and that's the wife coming up with
this garbage story about a kidnapping and everything else. That's
not going to get past any reasonable jury.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Okay, So I want to ask this question then to
follow up, but I want to turn to you, Michael,
for a moment, And obviously, I want to say, this
is deeply disturbing and gut wrenching, and I'm hoping in
praying they find this child because it's just it's really
physically sickening for so many reasons. So I just want
to lay that out there as well. But let's say
this case does go to an actual trial situation, what
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kind of argument would you expect to hear from Rebecca
and or Jake Harrow.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
We try to They'll do everything they can to portray
themselves in a positive light that you know, they never
really abuse the child. They discipline the child, they never
really they took care of They need his best they could.
They're struggling working Americans, the everyge parents should be able
to early elect. That's who they'll go after it. And
I actually happen to agree with Neil. I would definitely
(37:20):
prosecute the case by all means, one hundred percent. But
you know, we have lived in society. It's got some
crazy people. Sometimes these people end up on juris and
that's why we have to have some judicial reform. We've
talked about that on your show before. That's another matter,
but we've got to have judicial reform, BEFO, We're going
to have justice in this country.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Okay, Nils, what do you think about that theory regarding
Michael's suspicions of what they might try to defend themselves with.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Should this michaels on their defense if they raise the
defense or take the stand, don't. I couldn't see any
attorney allowing them to take the stand in this case
to be cross examined.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
Their attorney will raise.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
A retory argument about how they were beleaguered, hardworking parents,
and there's no real proof because there is nobody. That
sort of thing that's not going to get past a
reasonable jury. There's not going to be anything like that
getting past this sort of jury.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I guess we'll have to see what happens. But in
the meantime, I'm hoping and praying for the best here.
I wish God speak to law enforcement. And I want
to thank you both for your time today, gentlemen, Thank you.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Loves America, and you're right, we'll be keeping this man
in prayer for everybody. A lot of work.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Ahead absolutely coming up next.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
A senior reporter for the Daily Caller News Foundation joins
us to discuss his exclusive reporting on Gavin Newsom's liaisons
to China, and yes, this story is just as strange
as it sounds.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
More details after the break.
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Speaker 3 (39:16):
Welcome back to the real story.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Today's next topic actually keeps us in the Golden State,
a place that is still thriving despite the rule of
King Gavin Newsom. Except instead of looking into the mysterious
disappearance of an infant, we'll actually be looking into the
mysterious inner circle of King Newsom. So according to a
detailed investigation by our next guest Today, one of Newsom's
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senior advisors is a woman named Amy Tong, and the
interesting thing about her is that she serves as a
key liaison to China. Now, why exactly a California politician
even has a liaison to China is already extremely suspicious
for so many different reasons.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
But what makes it even more.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Suspicious is that she just so happens to be the
daughter of a man who is deeply entangled and involved
in building a massive genealogical database for the Chinese Communist Party.
That man's name is Peter Hwang. He's a computer scientist,
and his work is directly aligned with Beijing's goal of
rejuvenating China, leading to a wide range of important questions
(40:25):
about Newsom's connections and his priorities as governor. So, what
in the world is really going on here and how
exactly did someone with such direct connections to the CCP's
operations end up as Newsom's China whisperer. Well, here with
even more insight into this very disturbing situation is Phil Linzeki,
(40:47):
a senior investigative reporter for The Daily Caller. Phil, thank
you for joining me.
Speaker 9 (40:53):
Thanks for having me so.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
First of all, I read your report from top to
bottom and truly astonishing for so many reasons. I want
to start with this first question, why exactly does California
Governor Gavin Newsom even have a liaison to China.
Speaker 10 (41:10):
That's a fantastic question and one that our article, you know,
just took for granted and moved on from. But I
think that the actual answer is that China has had
a long standing relationship with California now that you know
predates Governor Newsom, and this goes back to at least
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Governor Perry Brown, who established a memorandum of understanding with
Actually this signings people association for Friendship with foreign countries,
which is a Chinese influence and intelligence aren't the same
one that this woman who's now Gavin Newsom's senior counselor,
Emy Tongue is interfacing with. So be one of the
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reasons why Governor Newsom has such a person in his employee.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
M Okay.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
I just think that's so weird and also suspicious, and
it certainly explains a lot, because I think what we
saw during COVID was that Gavin Newsom wants to run
this state in California in the exact same way that
she runs China. But that's just a different conversation. But
regarding your report, then please tell us more about this
database and why Americans need to understand it.
Speaker 9 (42:25):
So Amy Toong's father, a man, as you said, named
Peter B. C. Huang.
Speaker 10 (42:31):
He is you know, he was born in mainland China,
as was she, and in two thousand and six he
founded a nonprofit in California that now has often in China,
and it's called Huah Family Tree Association. And looking into
this organization, what we found was that its constitution explicitly
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states that it is its mission is to gather, you know,
what we would consider to be sensitive personal information from
Chinese and Chinese Americans and then had that information over
to Chinese government agencies.
Speaker 9 (43:12):
And looking through its records, what we.
Speaker 10 (43:14):
Found is that indeed they have relationships thus far with
multiple different Chinese government organizations and have partner with them
to achieve that end. Mister Quang himself, according to the
organization's own records, you know, holds very sympathetic views towards
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the Chinese Comunist Party and the Chinese government's mission, as
you stated to you know, contribute to the Chinese dream
of the you know, rejuvenation of the Chinese nation and whatnot.
Speaker 9 (43:47):
So these are a couple items that stood out.
Speaker 10 (43:51):
And in addition to that, there were some certain red
flags when it came to seeing just who was in
the leadership of this organization.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
So when it comes to a genealogical database, we're talking
about a very very specific type of information. The natural
question for many out there is how exactly is that
information being gathered.
Speaker 9 (44:18):
This website that they have constructed.
Speaker 10 (44:21):
What it does is that it allows users to upload
a variety of personal information, ranging from you know, names
and family members' names, to photos and.
Speaker 9 (44:31):
Many other things.
Speaker 10 (44:32):
And so essentially what it does that creates a large
family tree and then begins to sort of track people,
if you will, through their certain names and so, you know,
if we're to be charitable, what this organization is doing
for the average Chinese American user would be to show them,
(44:55):
you know, where their roots are back in China.
Speaker 9 (44:57):
However, we can see from their records.
Speaker 10 (45:00):
And as what we just mentioned, and even when we
start looking at again the individuals who are their leaders,
including very high ranking Chinese military officers, that this might
not be all that there is to its purpose.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Oh, I have a feeling you're absolutely right about that.
I think it's probably a front for something much more sinister,
knowing the CCP or from what I've read about the.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
CCP and scene in my own lifetime.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Having said that, I want to ask you then to
sort of explore for us your thoughts about what the
real goal behind the scenes might be here.
Speaker 10 (45:36):
Well, what I would say is that from what we
were told from Chinese you know, intelligence analysts and whatnot.
The real concern here would be that this sensitive personal
information from these individuals could be leveraged and that they
could be either put in a situation where they're being
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surveilled without their you know, knowledge, or where they could
be approached and they're family members in China, could be
more or less used as blackmail, and they could be
coerced and doing something. This is not something that the
Chinese government has apparently not done. Rather, we've heard many
stories of this exact type of behavior from them, and
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so if you're a dissident or if you're in a
position of some type of privileged information, then this could
be something that the Chinese government could leverage.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
So then my final question for you and Phil Admittedly
it does call for some speculation here, but if you're
the average American and you're thinking, I'm just trying to
feed my family and keep the lights on. For those
people in the audience, why is a story like this
one so important for them to know about?
Speaker 9 (46:52):
Nothing?
Speaker 10 (46:52):
That there are two aspects to it, and that's that
number one, Chinese Americans are Americans, and we should be
concerned to be any Americans being potentially targeted by a
hostile foreign power. And secondly, you know, if we want
to think about it, you know, for our own uh
you know, national self interest. I suppose beyond that is
that it's possible that, of course Governor Gavin Newsom might
(47:17):
uh you know, run for president, And even if he
is not to do that, if there is some type
of untoward relationship recurring behind the scenes, it could be
the case that this individual within his office, in a
very privileged position made tong might be leveraged for any
(47:38):
type of nefarious, you know, activities. So these would be
the reasons why you know, your average Americans should care
about this. This is something that is uh you know,
unseeingly at the very least.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Very well said.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
And Phil, I want to thank you for your time
and just plug this one more time. Brilliant piece, truly
an incredible investigative work, which is rare these days to
see that's available on the Color News website online, and
I want to thank you again for your time and
your insights into this matter.
Speaker 9 (48:06):
Thanks very much for having me on.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
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A good Samaritan goes way above and beyond to support
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out of his way to lug sixty pounds of ice
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cream and dry ice up Huron Peak in Denver, Colorado,
just to treat hikers after their climb. The unknown man,
actually dressed as an ice cream cone, sat at the
top of the mountain over Labor Day weekend to reward
hikers after their ascent, adding to.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
The beautiful view.
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Ward quickly began to spread then on the mountain of
his presence, and hikers hustled to claim their prizes before
summoning the Peak, or for summoning the Peak now. The
man's story was also shared on local Facebook pages, where
people called him get this legend Dairy and wondered about
his mysterious identity. But just as mysteriously as he appeared,
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he vanished down the mountain with ease, leading some people
to believe he's an experienced climber himself. And though some
hikers unfortunately missed the opportunity to grab some complimentary ice cream,
they said it was still fun to witness the event
and that it really added extra whimsy, true activity that
can sometimes be overshadowed by focusing on racking up difficult achievements.
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Welcome to the Real Story. I'm your host, Riley Lewis,
and thank you for joining us. Today's top story brings
us to a chilling mystery. It's an extremely disturbing story
from Germany that is raising eyebrows all across the country
and even across Europe, leaving many observers out there buzzing
with questions and suspicions. So, with that being said, imagine this.
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Seven candidates from a right wing populist political party in
Germany known as Alternative for Germany or AfD, have mysteriously
died during a heated local election campaign in Germany's North
Rhine Westphalia region. Each of these individuals also died within
a period of just about two weeks, and these specific
(00:57):
circumstances surrounding their deaths are actively being disputed.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Some recent reports have claimed that the causes of deaths
here are simply natural ones. However, a report from Euronews
that was released on Friday, September fifth said the causes
of death range from natural ones to suicide, prompting a
wide range of theories about the situation to emerge online.
(01:23):
Of course, many people now are wondering what's really going on.
What is the truth. In an era of disinformation, misinformation
and propaganda pushing, it can be very difficult to know
what's real, especially since these people aren't just any other politicians.
In fact, their party, the AfD, has been surging in popularity,
(01:47):
capturing a record twenty point eight percent of the vote
in federal elections back in February, finishing just second overall.
Now led by the sharp minded Alice Widel, the party
has claimed historic wins, including its first regional election in
Thuringia last year, but now with district, municipal and mayoral
(02:08):
races that are scheduled for September fourteenth, actively heating up
and involving some twenty thousand candidates, these deaths, including four
within just thirteen days, are raising sincere and important questions
that brings us to one as an example, is the
situation merely a tragic and unfortunate coincidence, or alternatively, is
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something far more sinister at work. This is a pivotal
moment for a transformative political party and a movement which
is directly challenging Germany's political establishment, and people have every
right to be curious about these mysterious cluster of deaths.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Maybe it's nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Maybe it's all just normal and random, or or maybe
there's some kind of conspiracy under way. One thing that's
also quite curious about this whole situation is this Germany's
domestic intelligence agency, known as the Federal Office for the
Protection of the Constitution, has labeled this political party as
(03:12):
a confirmed right wing extremist organization this year. So we
have something of a revolutionary political party that's actively facing
pressure from the state, and several of its most prominent
candidates for office just suddenly die right before an extremely
important election cycle that many people believe will be contentious
(03:34):
and at a time when German society is widely facing
immense social strife.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
But what's even more curious, though, is the response to
these deaths. For example, German police, possibly in an attempt
to downplay the situation's gravity, maintain there's no evidence of
foul play, with also no evidence of criminal activity. Additionally,
a spokesperson in the state has even dismissed any suspicions,
(04:04):
and the North Rhine Westphilia Ministry of the Interior has
pointed out that candidates from other parties have also passed
away during this campaign, though without specifying numbers, which is
really the whole crux of the story. Still, the sheer
tally for AfD alone, including backups on the ballot, prompts scrutiny.
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After all, we're talking about seven lives having been lost,
including those alternate candidates, which statistically seems almost impossible. That's
exactly why various theories are exploding across social media, where
countless posts on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook and x are amassing
hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of views, with several
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of them entertaining the idea of foul play, albeit yes,
of course, without any concrete evidence to support the claims.
So could political rivals or deeper forces really be at
play here silencing voices that challenge the status quo Hard
to say, however, There's ultimately only one way to know,
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through a thorough investigation that objectively looks at every single possibility.
After all, this is a critical moment for the country.
The AfD has had this meteoric rise in recent years
as it challenges the norm, and these deaths have happened
within just days of the polls set to open for
the elections. Now Here with reaction is columnist at the
(05:32):
Blaze and host of The Oran McIntyre Show podcast orin McIntyre, Oran,
thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
So this is a very strange situation and I'm still
trying to figure out exactly what's going on. So I
want to get your initial thoughts to this story.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Well you, like I said, Like you said, a lot
of people don't understand the election dynamics in Germany. There
are actually laws on the books that allow the government
to review the status of different parties and if they're
found to be two right wing, they can actually be
banned from running in the country. And obviously this is
a holdover from the country's past, right after its defeat
in World War Two. You can understand why such a
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concern would exist then, but now it's being applied to
parties like the AfD that clearly are in no way
national socialists, but are simply basic right wing parties who
oppose immigration as a major issue, and that ability to
kind of weaponize the state apparatus towards right wing parties
as a huge problem. AfD has already been threatened repeatedly
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with the possibility that it could be completely banned from
operating inside the country. And as you said, has already
been designated as a right wing extremist party by the
state itself. So now you have, along with all of
these details and the fact that the AfD continues to
surge no matter what the government says, you have this
simultaneous death of so many candidates.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Now, if it was one or maybe even.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Two, we would think, okay, very suspicious perhaps, but we
could chalk that up to some kind of accident. Things
do happen, But the fact that seven separate candidates over
a few weeks have been willing to or have actually
had this happen to them is insane and obviously raises
a lot of really legitimate.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Questions, as it should, and I can't say I have
the answers, but like many other people, I am curious
now before we move forward, just to set the stage,
because you've just alluded to it a little bit, what
is AfD and what does their party stand for?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Well, I'm not an expert on German politics, but I
have spoken to many people who are supporters of AfD,
who are members of the AfD, and ultimately it seems
primarily to be a party about moderate immigration reform Germany,
like many European countries has opened its borders to many
migrants and has created a crisis inside that country in
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their relationships with the communities that have now been created.
Many people in Germany, as with so many other Western nations,
are looking to scale back, but once again, like many
other nations, the government is fighting them tooth and nail.
I don't know every one of their positions, so I
can't sit here and endorse them, but I will say
that this is obviously a position that should be allowed
in the public square, and the fact that they're receiving threats,
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they're being labeled far right, and possibly even watching members
die because of these positions is very concerning.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It is, and it makes me wonder if the political
establishment there and I am also not an expert, but
just from Afar, it really seems like they are trying
to silence this political movement, and I'm wondering if that's
because they're gaining so much popularity. What do you think orin.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I think that's true, and I think it's especially true
among the young set. And this is again a problem
for many nations across the Western world. Right wingers, especially
of the younger variety, are.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Fed up with the excuses.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
They are a new generation that has seen the terrible
impact that immigration has had on their country, and they're
not going to be cowed by mean names like so
many conservatives before them. So I think it's just very
clear that not only is the party a threat, but
there's a generational threat where Germany is concerned that can
no longer control the narrative with the younger people that
are coming up in right wing politics, and that scares
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them for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Absolutely. Now you just said they stand for moderate immigration
reform in terms of policy, what exactly does that look like.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Again, I'm not a familiar with every aspect of their prescriptions,
but as far as I understand, they're looking to severely
limit and possibly even deport some people who should not
be there. Again, I don't think they're looking for any
kind of cleansing of all people who are not German.
I don't think they're looking for anything extreme like a
racial test for who is ever inside the country. I
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think they're simply looking to be able to decide who enters,
whether those people are good for the country, and whether
the people who are already there but are not official
citizens are actually ultimately beneficial to the German population. If
the answer is no, they should have the right to
ask them to leave again. All sensible things that I
think ultimately nations should be able to deploy in the
interests of their peoples.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Agreed, And you know, I have this theory about it,
and I would love your thoughts about this orn because
we are seeing a backlash to illegal and legal migration
all over the West and the United States, in Ireland,
in the UK, in Germany and France, and I just
really have this feeling that we are boiling towards.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Some sort of global upheaval or.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Dare I say, revolution against mass migration again, legal and illegal.
I don't know when that might come or what it
would look like necessarily, but I want to get your
thoughts about that theory of mine.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think you're right, and I think the big difference
that a lot of people are looking at is for many,
many decades, conservatives or right wingers across the West were
told that it was only illegal immigration that was the problem,
and ultimately immigration, national identity. These things are simply a process,
a set of paperwork that one goes through and then
the problem is solved. But what we're seeing over and
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over again, is it's not just the illegal immigrants, though
they are the priority, but mass legal immigration is also
radically changing the cultures of these countries. Yes, and the
people there did not agree to this, and so what
they're hoping for is, ultimately, I think, a peaceful resolution
to this problem simply asking us to dial down the
amount of legal immigration that is occurring. But if these
states continue to ignore the desires of their residents, I
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think ultimately they're going to find themselves in a serious situation.
We've already seen riots in places like Ireland and the UK,
and I think they're only going to get worse as
people are convinced that there is no political solution to
their problem.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So let's talk about what that looks like then, because
we have two situations here. Either one the political ruling
class in the West starts paying attention and close the
border really strict limitations on legal migration, really strict qualifications,
or they double down on open borders policies and there's
a huge backlash to that. What do you think is
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more likely to happen as of right now?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
What we've already seen leaders like here Starmar give their
his island of Stranger's speech and talk about possibly deporting
or limiting imation. I think the ruling class does recognize
that they did hit a hard limit on their ability
to do this program.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
The downside is that.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Cure Stummer is basically already apologized for that speech, and
it seems like while they are dialing back some of
the immigration, they are no way halting it. And so
I think what we're going to see is probably adjustment
where these governments attempt to moderate a halfway policy where
they continue to allow immigration but dial back the numbers some.
They put forward some rhetoric about assimilation. These things stop
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attacking the native population at every turn, but they don't
stop the flow. I think that will ultimately fail if
they do not actually adjust the immigration numbers. That window
dressing isn't going to be enough as the situation worsens.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Okay, Now, the question I guess I'm sort of trying
to get to here as well, is because you've spoken
with people who are familiar with AfD, who know what
the platform is really about, could you just clarify their
vision for what they want to see happen in Germany?
Because I'm very curious and frankly I don't trust a
lot of these reports that label them as some sort
of far right wing extremist groups. So what is it
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that they really want for the future of Germany?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Again, I don't want to speak on their behalf, but
from what I have observed, it does seem that one
of their major concerns is really the need to completely
deconstruct and attack German national identity. Of course, after World
War Two, this subject is very, very delicate. You understand
why this is such a hot point, but in many ways,
the entire kind of regime of that country has inverted
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itself into this self hatred where all they do is
point out the bad events in Germany's history and they
make that define the entire country going forward. I think
a lot of people in Germany just want to be
proud to be German again.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
They understand the.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Mistakes their ancestors made, they're willing to acknowledge them, but
they ultimately don't want to spend the rest of their
existence hating themselves over one historical event. And so I
think a big part of that party, along with restoring
some sanity to the immigration situation, is understanding that German
egen can ultimately be a positive thing, that it's okay
to be proud to be German, to want to be German,
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but understanding and moderating that with of course a historical
eye towards what happened in the middle of the last century.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Absolutely, and then final question for you, because it's just
so strange to me to see not one, not two,
but more than five people from the same political movement
all die right before an extremely contentious election. This question
calls for some speculation, So we're not saying anything we
know is for sure, But what do you think is
really going on here?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Like you said, I of course have no special knowledge
that isn't available in the reports. But when you see
that much smoke, you have to wonder about fire. That
many candidates dying so close simultaneously, I think means there
should be a very thorough investigation. Some very serious eyebrows
should be raised. I'm not jumping to any conclusions, but
if I saw five or six Democratic politicians simultaneously die
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in the middle of the Trump administration's attempt to win
an election, I would wonder. I would have some questions
about what's going on there. I think it's only fair
to have the same questions in Germany.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Absolutely, and I know there's a lot of speculation going
on here, but it's just it's very mysterious and disturbing,
and I just appreciate you coming on and talking about
this because very few people are so orn. Truly, thank
you for your time today, Thanks again for having me.
Coming up next, a massive investigation is currently underway at
the University of Kentucky following the recent discovery of a
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deceased child inside the closet of a student athlete's residence.
More details about what's really going on here after the.
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Speaker 3 (15:59):
Welcome back to the Real Story.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Continuing with our theme of unsolved mysteries, today's next segment
brings us to a haunting one unfolding at the University
of Kentucky. That's where the sudden death of a newborn
infant who was allegedly concealed in a college student athlete's
closet has left an entire community reeling and also authorities
grappling with more questions than answers following an inconclusive autopsy.
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It's a very troubling situation that also raises some important
questions that need to be addressed. However, for those who
haven't heard much about this story, picture this. A promising
young athlete at the University of Kentucky, poised for great success,
suddenly entangled in a tragedy that defies easy explanation. Laken Snelling,
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a twenty one year old senior and standout on the
school's stunt team, finds herself at the center of a
case involving the death of a newborn baby boy, discovered
hidden away inside of her own closet. Now, what led
to this grim find isn't known just yet. However, as
we peel back the layers and as more information comes
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to light, the details only deepen the intrigue that brings
us to the story's beginning. It was two weekends ago
in Lexington, Kentucky, when authorities were called to Snelling's home
after the lifeless infant was found wrapped inside of a
towel and then stuffed inside of a black trash bag. Now, Snelling,
who hails from Jefferson City, Tennessee, reportedly admitted to giving
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birth on August twenty seventh, but claims she tried to
conceal the evidence, then arrested on Sunday. She's facing serious
charges including abuse of a corpse, tampering with physical evidence,
and concealing the birth of an infant. Yet, in a
surprising courtroom twist, she recently pleaded not guilty, posted a
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one hundred thousand dollars bond, and was even released on
house arrest at her parents' home some two hundred miles away,
leaving us with a whole lot of questions about what's
really going on. For example, who knew about this pregnancy,
if anyone, and how exactly did a college athlete balancing
classes and competitions navigate such a hidden or deal. Then,
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on top of it all, the silence from her attorney
is only fueling the curiosity about what really transpired.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
For the heart of the whole mystery, the Fayette County
Coroner's office released preliminary autopsy results last Wednesday, and they're inconclusive,
with no clear cause of death, no visible wounds, and
no signs.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Of foul play.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Corner Gary Jinn is urging patience now emphasizing a thorough
and methodical investigation with more tests under weigh and other
experts out there believe subtile factors might be at play,
though invisible to the naked eye. But again, it's very
hard to say what really took place based on this
limited insight. But in either case, the story gets even
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more curious due to the involvement of Isaiah Hall, Snelling's
twenty one year old ex boyfriend and a quarterback at
Cumberland University in Lebanon, Tennessee. Hall voluntarily provided a DNA
sample to Lexington Police just last week, aiming to clarify
if he's really the father, although Hall is declining to
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detail their breakup. Then, adding to the story, Stelling's current boyfriend,
former college basketball player Connor Jordan, has all but vanished
from social media, and now Snelling herself awaits her next
court date on September twenty sixth. Here with her thoughts
and reaction is Emily Burning, president of Let Them Live,
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a nonprofit organization that aims to prevent abortions by providing
emotional and financial support to women in crisis pregnancy situations. Emily,
thank you for being here today.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Yeah, thank you for having me, Riley, this is such
a sad thing to talk about, but I think it's
very important, agreed.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So let's start with your initial thoughts then about the case.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
Yeah, I just posted a video today on my Instagram
just kind of talking about it.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
You know.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
My first thought is, obviously, this is extremely tragic. Whenever
I see in the news a child, an infant, a toddler,
and any any child who is the victim of something
or you know, is found killed, it's just tragic because
we know that they're the most defenseless among us. So
that's the first thing. The second thing is, you know,
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rightly so this has gotten a lot of media attention,
But then I also have to wonder where that media
attention is for the millions of other babies who are aborted,
you know, in the United States and abroad as well.
So this kind of brings us into a bigger picture
of well do we value life as a society, When
do we value life? When do we believe that there's
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a right to be protected as a human being? And
it's extremely tragic. It also kind of brings into question
things like what kind of support do women have while
they're pregnant. Do they know that they have support, Do
they know that they have resources available to them, or
is it always pushed as abortion or nothing else?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Completely agreed, And obviously with an active investigation underway, there's
still a lot of information that needs to come to light,
and I can't say conclusively anything at this point other
than it's a tragedy, like you said, But I do
have to wonder about the circumstances of her life in
terms of family support, financial support, emotional support, because this
is the kind of situation where a group like Planned
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Parenthood would come in and start exploiting women who are
in crisis pregnancy. So I want to get your thoughts
about that angle here on the story and whether or
not it sort of rings true from millions of other
women in this country who do find themselves in a
possibly similar position.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Yeah, well, you're so right that we just don't have
all the information here, and hopefully we'll start to get
more information over the coming weeks. But this really does
paint the picture of the reality that organizations like Let
Them Live and many other pro life organizations are up
against that we want women to have this knowledge.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Right.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
For so long, Planned Parenthood has kind of been the
solution it's not a good one obviously to exacted pregnancies.
But the problem with that is that has completely blocked
out the availability of information about nonprofits like Let Them Live.
And I also have to point out nonprofit the safe
Haven baby boxes or just safe had laws in general.
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There are laws in almost every state I believe where
you can take your baby if you've given birth, and
you can drop your baby off, no questions asked anonymously,
and in many states, including Kentucky. In Kentucky there's over
fifty safe Haven baby boxes at different locations like fire
stations and police departments where you can safely put your
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newborn baby in there and surrender your baby. In fact,
there was just one ten minutes away from where like
Snelling was, So it brings into question did she even
know about that? You know, the a pro choice planned
parenthood crowd has done such a good job of blocking
women from knowing what their options are and the resources
available to them, that we saw this tragedy happen. And
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again I don't know all of the details, but I
do wonder if it could have been prevented, and so.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Do I and so.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
On that note, I'm hoping you could take just a
moment here with us, Emily and give people the backstory
because we've had you on the show to talk about
your organization before, but for people who might have forgotten,
how did your organization get started and what do your
services entail?
Speaker 7 (23:38):
Yeah, my husband and I were reached out to by
a girl on Facebook whose cousin had an abortion scheduled.
She was living in her car and got evicted and
it was freezing outside and just lost her job. Everything
was terrible, and my husband just had this idea that
we could help this young woman who was pregnant and
help her cancel her abortion, and we gave all the
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money in our bank account. It wasn't that much, but
we helped her to get back into her apartment and
out of the cold and just to have a roof
over her head, and that made all the difference. So
she canceled her abortion and chose life and sent us
her ultrasound. And that's what led us to start Let
Them Live, was the realization that so many women find
themselves at the juncture of do I have an abortion?
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How do I have this? Maybe it's not possible, and
they just don't have the resources financially, especially to feel
confident in choosing life, and these are real things that
we have to address. It has to be more than
you know, we can, you know, help you with diapers,
which is always really great, but we have to address
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some of their real needs. So we've helped over a
thousand women cancel their abortions and choose life. We provide
emotional support, counseling, financial support, you know, classes and courses
on budgeting and saving and all those things, and we
just help women to get out of that emergency situation
that they feel they're in and help them to make
the choice for life.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You know now that you just said that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I was talking to one of my producers about this
earlier actually, because I think this is such an important
point to make here. Setting aside the debate for a moment.
It's just we have to understand that bringing new life
into the world is a sacred, special thing and it's
no small ordeal, right, So I think it's important for
us to have realistic conversations about empowering groups like yours
to get pregnant mothers all the resources they need, spiritual, emotional,
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and financial all together so they do ultimately make the
right choice. So that website for everybody is let them
live dot org and Emily, I just want to say
thank you for stopping by today because I really really
appreciate your time and your insight and all the work
that your group is doing for this country.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Thank you, Riley, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Coming up next, an expert panel joins us to discuss
the latest updates on the perplexing case of a Southern
California baby who's been missing for roughly three weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
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Speaker 1 (26:26):
Welcome back to the Real Story. Continuing with our theme
of unsolved mysteries, it's time for some critical updates about
a disturbing and perplexing case that we've been covering on
this program for several weeks. That being the case of
Emmanuel Horrow, a California infant that's been missing for roughly
three weeks. It was Thursday August fourteenth, when a Southern
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California woman named Rebecca Harrow claimed that her infant was
snatched right outside of a Big five sporting goods store
in Ukaipa, California, about ten miles east of San Bernardino.
She told police she was assaulted and knocked unconscious all
while changing his diaper, only to wake up and find
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him gone, leading authorities to believe that the baby was kidnapped. However,
as detectives dug deeper into the stories, inconsistencies emerged, and
when authorities confronted her about the inconsistencies in her account,
she didn't want to continue talking to them about the case,
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drawing a whole lot of suspicion about what's really going on. Then,
just over one week later, she and her husband, the
baby's father, were both arrested on suspicion of murder. Now
that brings us to the latest updates about this perplexing case.
Rebecca and Jake Carrow have officially entered not guilty please
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to murder charges despite mounting evidence from investigators pointing to
a tragic pattern of child abuse. They appeared in court
on September fourth at the Riverside Justice Center, standing firm
in their denial as the search for their son's remains
continues in the vast southern California desert, and now they're
facing additional charges for knowingly filing a false report. In fact,
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they're currently being held on one million dollar bail each
in Riverside County Jail. Now representing Rebecca is attorney Jeff Moore,
who notably defended Louise Turpin in that infamous Paris abuse
case several years ago. While Jake has court appointed lawyers
from the Public Defender's Office, and while the real story
about what actually happened is still unknown, investigators say they
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have a pretty strong indication of where the child's body
might be in a remote scrubland area, although unfortunately their
searchers have yet to yield any definitive answers. So now,
as an entire community leaves memorials outside the horror's home,
one can't help but wonder what justice will look like
when the full truth emerges. Then, adding layers to this
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ongoing mystery, Jay Carrow, the baby's father, was already on
probation for a prior child abuse conviction, which obviously begs
the question were there any red flags that the system
might have overlooked, and if so, what exactly needs to
change to prevent something like this from ever happening again.
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Now Here with reaction and insight is Michael Letts, the
founder and CEO of invest USA, and Nils Gravellius, a
private detective based in southern California who has firsthand experience
with investigations into assault, homicide, kidnapping, and much much more. Gentlemen,
thank you for being here. So this is clearly one
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of the strangest cases I've ever seen, and we've been
talking about this on the program for a little while now. Michael,
when we first caught wind of this story a few
weeks ago, we had you on the show and you
said it didn't seem like a kidnapping whatsoever. That was
before they changed it from a kidnapping case between missing
person's case. Now here we are several weeks later and
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both of the baby's parents are facing murder charges. What
do you think about that?
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Well, I think every human watch on this show, we're
pretty much read between the lines. There's no question, you know,
circumstantial evidence was trongly indicate that this child was murdered,
probably by the father, and the mother was went along
with it. She was an associate of that crime. By
helping dispose of the body, etc. Now that's what the
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circumstantial evidence shows. However, you know, in this country, you
have to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It's
much more difficult to get beyond a reasonable doubt when
there's only a circumstantial evidence, when you don't have the body,
you don't have the murder weapon, etc. So, while I
think even they know what they've done, they're being advised
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as any good lawyer would do. Look, you want me
to help get you off with this thing. Personally, what
we have to do is plead not guilty and show
that without a body, without a murder weapon, make them
prove that there's not any reasonable doubt. Yes, there's no question.
They lied to the police. They filed a false police report.
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They thought they could get away with it. They didn't
realize all the video cameras that were around that would
discredit their story. But it still doesn't show the actual child,
or them actually murdering the child, or disposing of the body.
So they're gonna make it hard. They're gonna make it
hard for law enforcement. They're going to try to do
everything they can to give reasonable doubt to the circumstantial
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evidence and hope they get off. And that's just the
way our American judicial system is set up.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Okay, So Michael for a moment. If law enforcement authorities
are unable to find direct evidence tying the baby's parents
to the baby's presumed murder, what does that mean for them?
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Well, if you need to think pursue that charge and
they don't go to do a plea bargain, it means,
you know, presenting that to the evidence of the jury.
And depends on how liberal the jury is. You can
find people that will say, I'm not fully convinced that
they did it. You know what kind of circumstantial evidence
are we talking about. You've got a father who has
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been convicted of abusing children. It's very easy to go
from abuse to abusing too far and causing a death.
But that is circumstantial. You can't prove that that happened
in this case without more substantiation, and that's what law
enforce is going to be looking for. You've got the
wife saying, oh, the child was taking from you, he
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was kidnapped. Oops forgot there were video cameras that show
that actually didn't happen.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
So now I'm just not going to.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Say anything, and I don't know what happened. Once again,
all the circumstances. When people start doing that, most people
realize you're lying, trying to cover something up. But to
actually have a jury say look, I'm going to send
you to jail for the rest of your life, perhaps
even a death penalty over something that I'm not one
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hundred percent sure of my mind, that you give ninety
nine percent sure of it, maybe not one hundred gives
that little wind of opportunity for reasonable doubt and gives
them the opportunity to be found not guilty by a jury,
which helps their defense because then they go to the
prosecutor saying, look, you don't have any hard coret evidence.
It's circumstantial. So let's try to strike a plea bargain here,
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a deal so that we both walk out of here
with our winners. And that's just the way the American
system works.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Okay, understood, Now, Nils and your expert opinion here, I
want to ask you about the possible role of the mother,
Rebecca in this case, because unlike her husband, she doesn't
have a criminal history and certainly not with child abuse.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
So what is your.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Leading theory right now as a you know, in reference
to her role in this situation, and what about it
really stands out to you.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Well, if I caught this case, I would be looking
at her as the more disordered of two psychopaths. She's
older than the husband by I think six years. Her
criminality is just as bad as his in terms of
abusing the child, but the cover up seems to be
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undertaken mostly by her. And I'm going to differ with
my new friend Michael just a little bit. I'd take
this case to a jury in a second, where I
a deputy district attorney. It's a rather conservative, working class
jurypool at u Kaipa. They're basic working men and women,
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big Latino presents out there. If I were up on
charges like this, I wouldn't want to risk judgment by
twelve working Americans like that at all on a case
like this. Now, there is something squeaking around in local
media about the father allegedly confessing to one of the
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homicide investigators having murdered his son and placed him in
a trash can, and most of the search effort at
this point centers around a couple of landfills. Now, I
don't want to get to macabre in my descriptions here.
But the body of an infant disappears quickly if it's
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abandoned in the desert or if it's in a landfill
because of various carrion and other things. If they find
Immanuel's remains, it will be the miraculous hand of God,
and that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Okay, to your point, then, Nils, what happens alternatively, if
they're unable to find the baby's body.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I'd try the case in a second. They've tried many
cases in many states with no found body. People tossed
over boat from ships, people melted down in.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
Plating works, things like that. It can be done. It's
not insurmountable.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
The defense council will go out and say to the
local media about how there is no case, there is nobody,
that sort of thing. But you have a real problem
to get over if you're a defense counsel in a
case like that, and that's the wife coming up with
this garbage story about a kidnapping and everything else. That's
not going to get past any reasonable jury.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Okay, So I want to ask this question then to
follow up, but I want to turn to you, Michael,
for a moment, And obviously, I want to say, this
is deeply disturbing and gut wrenching, and I'm hoping in
praying they find this child because it's just it's really
physically sickening for so many reasons. So I just want
to lay that out there as well. But let's say
this case does go to an actual trial situation, what
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kind of argument would you expect to hear from Rebecca
and or Jake Harrow.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
We try to They'll do everything they can to portray
themselves in a positive light that you know, they never
really abuse the child. They discipline the child, they never
really they took care of They need his best they could.
They're struggling working Americans, the everyge parents should be able
to early elect. That's who they'll go after it. And
I actually happen to agree with Neil. I would definitely
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prosecute the case by all means, one hundred percent. But
you know, we have lived in society. It's got some
crazy people. Sometimes these people end up on juris and
that's why we have to have some judicial reform. We've
talked about that on your show before. That's another matter,
but we've got to have judicial reform, BEFO, We're going
to have justice in this country.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Okay, Nils, what do you think about that theory regarding
Michael's suspicions of what they might try to defend themselves with.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Should this michaels on their defense if they raise the
defense or take the stand, don't. I couldn't see any
attorney allowing them to take the stand in this case
to be cross examined.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
Their attorney will raise.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
A retory argument about how they were beleaguered, hardworking parents,
and there's no real proof because there is nobody. That
sort of thing that's not going to get past a
reasonable jury. There's not going to be anything like that
getting past this sort of jury.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I guess we'll have to see what happens. But in
the meantime, I'm hoping and praying for the best here.
I wish God speak to law enforcement. And I want
to thank you both for your time today, gentlemen, Thank you.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Loves America, and you're right, we'll be keeping this man
in prayer for everybody. A lot of work.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Ahead absolutely coming up next.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
A senior reporter for the Daily Caller News Foundation joins
us to discuss his exclusive reporting on Gavin Newsom's liaisons
to China, and yes, this story is just as strange
as it sounds.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
More details after the break.
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Speaker 3 (39:16):
Welcome back to the real story.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Today's next topic actually keeps us in the Golden State,
a place that is still thriving despite the rule of
King Gavin Newsom. Except instead of looking into the mysterious
disappearance of an infant, we'll actually be looking into the
mysterious inner circle of King Newsom. So according to a
detailed investigation by our next guest Today, one of Newsom's
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senior advisors is a woman named Amy Tong, and the
interesting thing about her is that she serves as a
key liaison to China. Now, why exactly a California politician
even has a liaison to China is already extremely suspicious
for so many different reasons.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
But what makes it even more.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Suspicious is that she just so happens to be the
daughter of a man who is deeply entangled and involved
in building a massive genealogical database for the Chinese Communist Party.
That man's name is Peter Hwang. He's a computer scientist,
and his work is directly aligned with Beijing's goal of
rejuvenating China, leading to a wide range of important questions
(40:25):
about Newsom's connections and his priorities as governor. So, what
in the world is really going on here and how
exactly did someone with such direct connections to the CCP's
operations end up as Newsom's China whisperer. Well, here with
even more insight into this very disturbing situation is Phil Linzeki,
(40:47):
a senior investigative reporter for The Daily Caller. Phil, thank
you for joining me.
Speaker 9 (40:53):
Thanks for having me so.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
First of all, I read your report from top to
bottom and truly astonishing for so many reasons. I want
to start with this first question, why exactly does California
Governor Gavin Newsom even have a liaison to China.
Speaker 10 (41:10):
That's a fantastic question and one that our article, you know,
just took for granted and moved on from. But I
think that the actual answer is that China has had
a long standing relationship with California now that you know
predates Governor Newsom, and this goes back to at least
(41:34):
Governor Perry Brown, who established a memorandum of understanding with
Actually this signings people association for Friendship with foreign countries,
which is a Chinese influence and intelligence aren't the same
one that this woman who's now Gavin Newsom's senior counselor,
Emy Tongue is interfacing with. So be one of the
(41:56):
reasons why Governor Newsom has such a person in his employee.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
M Okay.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
I just think that's so weird and also suspicious, and
it certainly explains a lot, because I think what we
saw during COVID was that Gavin Newsom wants to run
this state in California in the exact same way that
she runs China. But that's just a different conversation. But
regarding your report, then please tell us more about this
database and why Americans need to understand it.
Speaker 9 (42:25):
So Amy Toong's father, a man, as you said, named
Peter B. C. Huang.
Speaker 10 (42:31):
He is you know, he was born in mainland China,
as was she, and in two thousand and six he
founded a nonprofit in California that now has often in China,
and it's called Huah Family Tree Association. And looking into
this organization, what we found was that its constitution explicitly
(42:53):
states that it is its mission is to gather, you know,
what we would consider to be sensitive personal information from
Chinese and Chinese Americans and then had that information over
to Chinese government agencies.
Speaker 9 (43:12):
And looking through its records, what we.
Speaker 10 (43:14):
Found is that indeed they have relationships thus far with
multiple different Chinese government organizations and have partner with them
to achieve that end. Mister Quang himself, according to the
organization's own records, you know, holds very sympathetic views towards
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the Chinese Comunist Party and the Chinese government's mission, as
you stated to you know, contribute to the Chinese dream
of the you know, rejuvenation of the Chinese nation and whatnot.
Speaker 9 (43:47):
So these are a couple items that stood out.
Speaker 10 (43:51):
And in addition to that, there were some certain red
flags when it came to seeing just who was in
the leadership of this organization.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
So when it comes to a genealogical database, we're talking
about a very very specific type of information. The natural
question for many out there is how exactly is that
information being gathered.
Speaker 9 (44:18):
This website that they have constructed.
Speaker 10 (44:21):
What it does is that it allows users to upload
a variety of personal information, ranging from you know, names
and family members' names, to photos and.
Speaker 9 (44:31):
Many other things.
Speaker 10 (44:32):
And so essentially what it does that creates a large
family tree and then begins to sort of track people,
if you will, through their certain names and so, you know,
if we're to be charitable, what this organization is doing
for the average Chinese American user would be to show them,
(44:55):
you know, where their roots are back in China.
Speaker 9 (44:57):
However, we can see from their records.
Speaker 10 (45:00):
And as what we just mentioned, and even when we
start looking at again the individuals who are their leaders,
including very high ranking Chinese military officers, that this might
not be all that there is to its purpose.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Oh, I have a feeling you're absolutely right about that.
I think it's probably a front for something much more sinister,
knowing the CCP or from what I've read about the.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
CCP and scene in my own lifetime.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Having said that, I want to ask you then to
sort of explore for us your thoughts about what the
real goal behind the scenes might be here.
Speaker 10 (45:36):
Well, what I would say is that from what we
were told from Chinese you know, intelligence analysts and whatnot.
The real concern here would be that this sensitive personal
information from these individuals could be leveraged and that they
could be either put in a situation where they're being
(45:58):
surveilled without their you know, knowledge, or where they could
be approached and they're family members in China, could be
more or less used as blackmail, and they could be
coerced and doing something. This is not something that the
Chinese government has apparently not done. Rather, we've heard many
stories of this exact type of behavior from them, and
(46:21):
so if you're a dissident or if you're in a
position of some type of privileged information, then this could
be something that the Chinese government could leverage.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
So then my final question for you and Phil Admittedly
it does call for some speculation here, but if you're
the average American and you're thinking, I'm just trying to
feed my family and keep the lights on. For those
people in the audience, why is a story like this
one so important for them to know about?
Speaker 9 (46:52):
Nothing?
Speaker 10 (46:52):
That there are two aspects to it, and that's that
number one, Chinese Americans are Americans, and we should be
concerned to be any Americans being potentially targeted by a
hostile foreign power. And secondly, you know, if we want
to think about it, you know, for our own uh
you know, national self interest. I suppose beyond that is
that it's possible that, of course Governor Gavin Newsom might
(47:17):
uh you know, run for president, And even if he
is not to do that, if there is some type
of untoward relationship recurring behind the scenes, it could be
the case that this individual within his office, in a
very privileged position made tong might be leveraged for any
(47:38):
type of nefarious, you know, activities. So these would be
the reasons why you know, your average Americans should care
about this. This is something that is uh you know,
unseeingly at the very least.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Very well said.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
And Phil, I want to thank you for your time
and just plug this one more time. Brilliant piece, truly
an incredible investigative work, which is rare these days to
see that's available on the Color News website online, and
I want to thank you again for your time and
your insights into this matter.
Speaker 9 (48:06):
Thanks very much for having me on.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Coming up next on today's edition of Real Good News.
A good Samaritan goes way above and beyond to support
some hikers, but in a very refreshing and interesting way,
setting a great example for us. All more details about
what he did after the.
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Speaker 1 (48:51):
Welcome back to the Real Story. Nothing tastes better than
ice cream on a hot day, except for maybe ice
cream on a hot day after climbing a fourteen thousand
foot tall mountain, and that, my friends, is the main
focus of the day's edition of Real Good News, where
we have a story about a man who went way
out of his way to lug sixty pounds of ice
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cream and dry ice up Huron Peak in Denver, Colorado,
just to treat hikers after their climb. The unknown man,
actually dressed as an ice cream cone, sat at the
top of the mountain over Labor Day weekend to reward
hikers after their ascent, adding to.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
The beautiful view.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Ward quickly began to spread then on the mountain of
his presence, and hikers hustled to claim their prizes before
summoning the Peak, or for summoning the Peak now. The
man's story was also shared on local Facebook pages, where
people called him get this legend Dairy and wondered about
his mysterious identity. But just as mysteriously as he appeared,
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he vanished down the mountain with ease, leading some people
to believe he's an experienced climber himself. And though some
hikers unfortunately missed the opportunity to grab some complimentary ice cream,
they said it was still fun to witness the event
and that it really added extra whimsy, true activity that
can sometimes be overshadowed by focusing on racking up difficult achievements.
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So if you ever just so happened to find yourself
on here on Peak in Denver, Colorado, then keep your
eyes peeled for a walking ice cream cone, because you
might just be in for a tasty treat. And that
concludes today's broadcast. We truly hope you enjoyed it, and
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