Episode 268- The Grooming Line

In this episode Dutch interviews Tena on her recent Jury Duty experience. She discusses a sick case tied to child grooming & abuse. Throughout the episode, listeners are confronted with the harsh realities of child abuse and the challenges victims face in seeking justice.

🗣️ Quotes from Dutch
"The court system really isn't fair, especially when people are already emotionally heightened."


🗣️ Quotes from Tena
"This is some sick shit that's really happening in everybody's town."

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Yes, there might be some new listeners. My name is
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We're gonna get into a story time with this episode.
So this is episode to sixty eight and the title
of the show is called the grooming line.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
The grooming line, the grooming line.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Now, we have done shows about child trafficking, we have
done shows about Pete to gate right, our show is
no stranger into talking about the sick pedophilia acts that's
going on in the world and more specifically within the
entertainment industry and the political world, you know. And so

(03:17):
I had been selected for jury duty. I'm very upset.
I really hate everything about it. Like when you're in
New York, you could keep throwing away that paper and
there's nothing that they could do. When you're in North Carolina,
these niggas come knocking at your door trying to find

(03:39):
you for jury summons. It's just tragic. I know we're
supposed to opt out of this system, but this shit
is really tragic. And I felt like I was like
held against my will, like I had no choice, you
know what I mean. Like we all have been there
when it comes to jewelry duty. You know, you get called,

(04:02):
they ask questions of different people, they select, they twelve
and then they dismiss everybody. M h, have you gone
as far as I have?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Okay, so you've just only been where they just select
people and then they dismiss you. Yeah, got it, Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, I'm too high rate. They know, No, they can't
pick me to do anything. There ain't no that. They're like, nah,
let's get this one out of here. But you know,
people do like jeery duty though, because I've always I'm
not I'm not a stranger of a kman to Court.
But Court used to be interested in me. The concept
of it is asked. We could get into a whole
episode about the court system and everything and all this

(04:40):
evils and the whyses. Grant the same the way it is,
you know what I mean is it's his own ritual
in his own way. But Court like the stories of
the ship that people be doing, and it's like it's
just be hilarious and sometimes it be sad. But the
really this is gonna tell her point of view from

(05:04):
her from what happened with this particular case here, And
I might tell some stories about cases I've seen, but yeah,
you know, of course it's interesting. So that tell me
a story.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
So where should I begin? Should I begin the case?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Let' us get into it, so like get into my
fat hair. I'll ask you questions about it. How about that?

Speaker 2 (05:24):
All right?

Speaker 1 (05:24):
You interviewed. So so go ahead and talk to us,
tell us some you know, tell its supposed to get
given the heightened of how drastic of like you being
chosen to do it? Like no, no, no, not how exacting,
but like the drasticness. Community was telling me how it

(05:44):
was always out of how many people was there?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
So there was fifty people, the jury pool was fifty people, and.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Then it took them all day to get down to twelve.
And you happen to be twelve. And not only was
you twelve, I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
The twelfth juror, but I was the last one to
be called. So like what it was is that they
initially had selected twelve people right randomly, and then the
prosecutor and the defense council they interview like each juror,
and then they decide, you know, that they want to
keep people or get rid of people, and so they

(06:19):
would like be like duror four duror two Duro one?
What am I saying duror? What am I saying duror duror? Okay,
they will just call the numbers and they be like
you can be dismissed, like they don't want you, and
then they have to keep refilling the seats, so the
judge will be like, refill seats blah blah blah blah blah, right,

(06:44):
and so they refeel it. They kept refeeling seats. I
still wasn't getting called. I still wasn't getting caught. It's like, good,
I just want to be done with this fucking day.
I did not want to deal with this. Tell me
how to last seat? Right, they let go of one person.
The next name they call, what's my name? I said that.

(07:06):
I was like, I got this. I'm gonna be so biased.
I'm gonna be so I'm gonna just take all the
crazy stuff. I was looking at the judge and I
was like, because he has to ask you, like, oh,
is there any other reason outside of like actual travel,
like you have to have a plane ticket that shows
that you within this week are leaving or you have
to I guess this's who costs you like so much

(07:28):
financial distress. I mean, I guess I could have said
something like that, but then he would have been like,
just because you're missing your job, Like, I don't know
what they would have got into it, you know. I
just I just wanted to flat out and say, you know,
fuck the entire system. But I even said to the judge,
like I said, I guess I'm just like you're fucking
holding us against our will with this ship. Either way,

(07:50):
where am I in this story? So that's how I
got selected.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
So he was the last one I was.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Sucking the last one I was. I was like, most high,
Why I gotta be up here?

Speaker 1 (08:01):
You know? But you know, after he was telling me everything,
I felt like it was it was uh, it was
good that you got to at least to just sit
down experience it. Cause when I used to go to
court and I was you know, there's no cameras. I
mean not no cameras, but it's some of course, there's
no phones allowed, not all it's not all of them though, okay,
but like in the Bronx you could bring your phone
cause it's a super high tense type area, you know

(08:22):
what I mean, Like they know shit's happening. Yeah, But anyway,
the fact that there's no phones in the court, for me,
it is like they they know they be on some bullshit, right,
But listen to mad people's stories about like the different
charges they're getting and the things that people are getting
away with. It was always just like again, like high
ki and like interesting. You know, I've seen people. I've

(08:43):
seen this one lady get away with a She got
pulled over for driving a taxi cab on cocaine with
the baby in the back, and she got away with
that shit no ticket or nothing, you know what I mean. Yeah,
I was like it was confused, you know, wow, But
this this is what's going on in your neighborhood. You
know what I'm saying that your average cab drivers caked
out with the baby in the packet, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, So before they even did the jury selection, they
had informed us about the case that the man that
was being tried, he was being accused of indecent acts
with a minor.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
So how did this guy look? Describe his look?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay, I ain't trying to be funny that she's trying
to get it out of me. This nigga like some skinhead,
red neck nigga. Like if y'all ever seen that movie,
what's that movie? With all my ebsent Tyron Banks, y'all
know what I'm talking about too, with the skinheads and
he was in college. I ain't gonna give it away
if you ain't seen it, but it was about racial

(09:42):
tensions higher learning. Oh my gosh, this nigga like somebody
from higher learning, one of them fucking skinheads. I'm not
even trying to be funny like he just he looked crazy.
And as soon as they announced what it was, I
was like, that d.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
That ship that nig did?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
That did that ship? I know. That's so judgments. You
can't judge a book by its.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Cover, right, Nah, you're judging everything.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
So go ahead, going to continue warning.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yes, well so you know, so you know, you said
you know, and so boom you bring you saying the
things you were saying. It makes me think about how
the court system really isn't fair because even in the
sense of how you're like, you're dealing with people who's
already emotionally uh I'll say, uh heightened, you know what

(10:36):
I mean. The whole situation is stressful for somebody, right,
and you choose people and they're pressed, they're pissed off ready,
you know, everybody everybody's already like mad if they have
to do this. So now you got all these mad
people who's and then here you are. You know, you
come in to court and let's say you are innocent.

(10:56):
Let's just say you want them people who are innocent,
and but you got this jury who's just pissed off,
and everyone's like, oh I about to be biased. Everyone
got all these mindsets already, they premeditated by how they
about to do you. You don't have a chance, yea,
you know what I mean. You could tell the best
heartfelt story used your life with tears rolling down your eyes,

(11:17):
you know what I mean. These niggas were still already
pissed off that they have to be here.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
People the worst.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
We got it the worst for years, and we know
that we've been that times where niggas has proving their
innocence way back in the civil rights Jim Crow days
and everything. They proved the innocence in Core, and they
still jury like, hang on, niggas, you know what I mean,
Like didn't give a fuck. You know, he ain't do
that shit. It was proof that we have a picture
and audio and everything of him over here at any
Maid's Story or whatever. But y'all said that he killed

(11:49):
some white guy. Yeah you know, yeah, Like anyway, me
won't get into it on that level.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
So yeah, I was selected. I was so upset. I
was like when I came home, I was supping the Dutch.
I was like, I'm so fucking.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
She came home so high rate, y'alls, gosh, I was
so upset.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I feel like I'm being like held against my will
and I feel like I feel like a punk because.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I feel like by the way, y'all know, any way
to get out of Jerry duty for next time, like
the best excuses, please feel free to dm us and
let us know, well, I.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Mean other than often out of the entire system that
as far as like you know, your citizenship and shit
like that. But I just because in New York it's
so easy to like just toss the shit away. Yeah,
and they don't they don't come after you about that
shit like down here, they just bored right.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
No, no, let's get back. Let's get back into the
story though. So you said that this case was about
a guy who was messing with a minor.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yes, So this white man who, like I said, visualized
higher learning skinheads, all right, he was a bald white
man with like a really long go tee. I know
that the skinheads had no facial hair, you know. Anyways,
so that's what he was being charge of, right and honestly,
after they selected us because you know, they keep you

(13:10):
there from nine to five while they take you away
from your actual job. You know. So they got right
into the case, like they went right into the opening statements.
I noticed that the defense didn't do an opening statement,
but I didn't realize that they can do their opening
statements at different times because he eventually does it like
another day or whatever. But they get into the opening statements,
you know. The prosecutor, she kind of starts it off like,

(13:34):
you know, hey, she went to She goes to each
juror duror, right and just be like, can you remember
a time in your life that was just very magical
or memorable to you? And then she says, think about
that time, and then I'm gonna ask you like, do
you remember what you ate that morning? Right? That's kind
of how she starts it off as far as framing

(13:56):
the case, even before her opening statements, as far as
trying to get us to understand that like, if something dramatic,
whether good or bad, happens to you, you're gonna remember
that actual incident, but you're not gonna remember certain details.
And she started it off that way because the actual
victim that was the child, right, but this is a

(14:17):
grown man now. So this is a man, yes, man
or man by the way, so a sick fucker takes
you know, the innocence of a young boy. So the
actual man now who experienced the abuse when he was
a child. When he was on the stand, there were
certain details that were you know, funny or he couldn't answer.

(14:38):
So that's she was smart to kind of set her
a little you know, case that way as far as
just like certain details, But would you be able to
remember like details of what you ate in certain things
on like your most memorable days?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah? Yeah, as a as a I could remember. I
could remember as a child, as a child.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, so what did you eat on your kindergarten graduation?

Speaker 1 (15:06):
If my kindergarten tea? That wasn't my most memorable day?
Did they asked you to one of your most personal memorable.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
That is okay.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I can remember parts of my kindergarten. I remember singing
I believe I could fly.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I remember that. I remember. I can remember that, But
like she said, like little details like what you ate
that morning?

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, but I can't remember like that whole that wasn't
the most memorable day of my life?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know, I mean, got it?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Okay, as a child.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Okay, but that's how she starts it off, and you
know whatever. So gosh, this this case is so sick.
And I was like, isn't this so interesting that I'm
sitting here listening to this while there's the Diddy trial,
and I'm gonna kind of, you know, correlate these two
cases in a way. So pretty much the first witness

(15:52):
is the actual victim who started this all off. All right,
it is this white guy. And I'm sorry, these are
trailer park people. I ain't making this shit up. That's
side of their own words, Okay, so take that how
you want it. White people who listen to watch yom,
I'm just people, no, no, no, no, they you know,
they lived, he grew up in a trailer So just

(16:14):
just giving to the policy lines if it was black people,
like this is a project kid, it's regular shiit whatever.
So I'm trying to figure out how they started off
either way. The witness, he takes the stand and he
just shares his stories that you know, this man met
his mother when he was younger, like maybe under the

(16:37):
age of five, right, and uh, you know they were
friends first and then I guess they became boyfriend and girlfriend.
And then this man eventually moves in with you know,
his mother and his family when he's around the age ten.
So the victim he has a sister, right, and uh,

(17:02):
I guess he also has like an auntie that lives there.
And they live in a trailer so s I don't
know how big that you know them, they ain't much big,
and you know it's thin with them trailer park situations
or whatever. So that's what's going on there. And so
he said that, you know, he described the incident, and
I'm gonna be very vulgar for people who are listening.

(17:23):
I had to deal with the y'all gonna deal with
the two. He said that there was a night when
he was around ten where this man, the defendant, he
came into his bedroom put his arm over his mouth
and started to you know, massage his penis or put
his mouth on his penis when he was ten years old.

(17:45):
And so when he woke up, he was scared and
he didn't know what to do. He was like squirming
or whatever. And the guy was like, oh, this is
this is just normal. This is what fathers do with
their sons. Mind you, right, this is not his daddy.
I mean, this is sick fucking regardless even if it
was his father. I'm just YOUE know what I'm saying, Dutch,

(18:06):
But he don't have like his father in his life,
and he testifies to that. So the show is called
the grooming line because that's really a thing where because
grooming is very different when it comes to I guess
just regular U sexual abuse, child sexual abuse, because it's

(18:31):
a gradual process. And as I talk about this case,
we'll talk about the different stages of this grooming line,
and we'll kind of get into Diddy too, because people
ain't really looking, you know, beneath the surface with the
Diddy case, They just keeping a real surface level because
his shit definitely ties to child sex abuse as well. Anyways,

(18:52):
so where was I Dutch? You the victim? He takes
the stand. He's twenty four years old when it happened.
He was ten the first incident, and that's what he
described that this man, and there was a discrepancy. He
had a discrepancy with his story because in his police
report he had said something about maybe he was masturbating

(19:14):
him or the other, and then on the stand he
had said something about oral sex. So those are the
little details. I guess the prosecutors trying to tell us
to ignore because you know, some people might not remember
every little thing that happened over ten years ago, over
fifteen years ago, you know what I mean. So that's
what happened. He said that it happened like over hundreds

(19:40):
of times from the age ten to fifteen sixteen, so
within that period. That's what's going on. Now. The weird
things about this entire case, right, that is that, like
I said, this man moved in with his mother. Now
you know, the court they ask questions like can you

(20:01):
describe the house that you grew up in in, like
where your bedroom was, where he slept, things like that, right,
because they're trying to give us a picture the trailer whatever.
You know, it's not that big. It's just a trailer.
But his bedroom was a master bedroom that was kind
of far off, and then the boys room was a
little bit more towards the entrance. The odd thing is

(20:23):
is that his mother was sleeping on the couch with
the aunts. He sleeping on the other side of the couch,
and this man had the bedroom. That was so weird.
Now what you think about.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
That Dutch I found weird.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
That's not his place. He moved into their trailer. How
does nigga move into your shit? And he got you
sleeping on the couch. Yeah, And the victim testifies, and
the defendant testifies later on too, and he has said
the same thing, and I was like, that's some weird shit. Now.
First of all, one of the components to this is
that the mother is nowhere near to be found. You

(20:57):
would have thought in a case like this with the
witnesses that they're gonna ring, right, that they would have
a mother that would testify like in support of her
son or come and put together pieces of that. She
felt like maybe this wasn't right, but she kind of
turned the blind like the blind eye to it, you know,
like ignored certain red flags that she kind of picked up.

(21:19):
The mom was nowhere in sight. And he had a sister,
like I said, and his sister was only like a
year older than him, right, right. So the victim he
testifies and says that eventually, you know, the relationship between
his mother and the defendant, you know, dissolved. They were
no longer together, but they remained amicable with each other,

(21:41):
and he remintained like he maintained a relationship with him
and his family. But the fucking odd thing was is
that this man took more of an interest in this
boy right, the victim, than his sister. Because to me,
there's a lot of red flags. For one, what kind

(22:02):
of women is just gonna lett some random nigga, you know,
watch her kids, because that's what they talk about too,
that they got here. He he was, he became, He
got into a relationship with the mother. You know, he
moves in with the mother and then he plays this
role of daddy, right and he's sitting here watching her kids,

(22:22):
picking her kids up from school. Things like that. What
do you think about, you know, women who just let
random men around their kids. It's vice versa two. I
know that when we talk about these abuses and you know,
these type of topics, the focuses a lot are men,

(22:44):
but there are women predators too, and we see it
news article after news article, These these teachers that are
having sex with students, you know what I mean. And
people seem to like downplay that, but that's just it's
evil too. So you really have to watch who you
have around your children, even like family, you know, you
gotta you gotta be real careful, Well, who you you
gotta trust these people. Shout out to y'all that have

(23:07):
kids and gotta deal with these type of things. You
gotta deal with babysitters. But either way, what's your thoughts?
Dutch on this woman letting this man?

Speaker 1 (23:16):
She no good?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (23:19):
And he said, you gotta be some heroin addicts or
some ship.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I'm sorry that is given that. It's given. Like what's
going on with the mom now? He said that his
mom would work like twenty four to forty eight hours
at a time. She was like an EMT. I think interesting.
I believe for a fire for a firefighter company. I'm
trying to understand though. That sound like she might make
good money. Why she up been a trailer park. Gotta

(23:43):
rely on this nigga, got this nigga moving in with
her and you sleeping on the couch. That's some crazy
shit that don't make no sense to me, not making
for much sense, right, h So they kind of disclosed
this information so just to be running back, you know,
the victim, right, I'm gonna call his name ta the

(24:04):
victim t He sat here and disclosed that he was
abused sexually by this man. Hundreds of times between the
ages of ten and sixteen. So that's what he just
talked about. And he he didn't come forward until he
was he's twenty four now, right, Dutch twenty twenty three,

(24:28):
so twenty one twenty two, until he was twenty one
twenty two, and he came to his now woman right right.
They deemed her like his fiance, Like they had a
conversation about fathers, that's what he said, and then he

(24:48):
was just you know, going off or how he never
had like a real father, even his biological father, and
so she knew that this man was somebody who kind
of raised him, right, even though he wasn't like a
technical step parent, he was deemed like their godfather and stepparent,

(25:09):
and he kept watching them and whatever, well more particularly
this boy after you know, the mother was no longer
dealing with this man, so she was like, well, what
about the defendant, right, And then he kind of like
just breaks down and opens up to her about what
he went through as a child and how he was
sexually abused and shit is just deep, it's just so sad,

(25:35):
you know. Yeah, so going into like the stages of grooming, right,
and those of you if you don't know what grooming is,
I guess I'll just give like a brief textbook definition
of grooming. So it's the action of attempting to form

(25:55):
a relationship with a child or young person with the
intentions of sexually assaulting them or inducing them to commit
an illegal act such as selling drugs or joining a
terrorist organization. So you're pretty much trying to like almost

(26:15):
like brainwash a young child or like you get what
I'm saying, Dutch into thinking that something inappropriate. It's okay, yes,
all right. So that's what's going on here with this
particular case. Now, the first line is targeting right offenders.

(26:36):
They target children by creating like false profiles on the internet,
that's one way. Or sometimes they will target children within
their close friend or family circle. Did he target this
woman because she had a son?

Speaker 1 (26:51):
No?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Possibly? Maybe? Possibly?

Speaker 1 (26:55):
It gets it gets deep when you start to try
to dissect, like, you know what happened.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Why did you say no? At first?

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, I don't know. I'm just saying no cause maybe
he maybe maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Maybe he
always had that you know, we're kink for little boys,
and maybe he targets women with sons That's why I said, yeah,
maybe not her specific because she had a son, but
you know, it's just it's still weird. It's just gross,
my nigga's So.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
That's the first stage targeting. I could see that potentially,
you know, when you know they were friends, they were
working because he was working at a fire station too,
doing something or whatever. And so if she you know,
they disclosing information about their upbringing, she has children, maybe
he's like, oh, she got children, and then she finds
out that, he finds out that, he's like, oh, you're
a little boy, you know what I mean. So then

(27:45):
he's like, well, let me try to get close to
this lady and get up in her house. He did
it because that's what he accomplished. Having this bit sleep
on a damn freaking couch while your ass is in
the master bedroom is crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
So so what else happens?

Speaker 2 (27:59):
All right? So well that's like day one, right, the victim,
he gives his testimony, and I'm analyzing body language. Right,
I'm seeing in the audience, not the audience, what is
it the pews?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Is that the church term whatever? Y'all know what I'm
talking about. So I'm looking at the fair I'm looking
whoever's supporting him. I'm looking at his fiance, and I'm
looking at his body language. He's very tense. He's comfortable
talking to the prosecutor because of course the prosecutor is
working for him to get this nigga, you know under
the jail. Yeah, he's come. You know, they prep him

(28:31):
right when it came to the defense. I was looking
at his BITI language very fucking like agitated, very like short,
like if the you know, their job is to sit
here and pick everything that they just said. So I
can just see him ritable, irritable, like angry, and I
know that that anger is because he knows what he

(28:52):
went through and it's like frustrating that he has to
even be fucking questioned on the abuse that he went through.
So that's so I'm just looking. I'm good at looking
at a body language and shit like that and observing.
So I was like, oh, this is deep. So that
was day one. Day two is a doozy, Okay. The
prosecution is still working at hand. I was like, why

(29:14):
am I going through this? And they got the Diddy
trial going on. Anyways, we're gonna get to it. We're
gonna get to it. So day two, right, they bringing
out more witnesses. So the next witness is the cousin
of the defendant. Okay, the cousin. He comes on this
stand and he talks about how when he was ten

(29:37):
years old. He's thirty five years old now, right, he's
thirty five years old now, when he was ten, So
back in what two thousand, literally or whatever two thousand, yeah,
two thousand, in the year two thousand, this man, the
same man who is the defendant, he had had touched

(30:01):
him when they were like, you know, at nighttime whatever,
family sleepover or whatever, and gave him oral sex and
penetrated him anally. Okay, that's what happened when he was ten,
and the defendant.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Was he's a fucking monster.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
This is common, y'all. This is some common shit. This
is some evil shit, and it's soul common shit. This
is some common shit. We keep talking about the celebrities,
but this is shot everyday fucking neighbor shit. Even listen
your neighbors. They be anticipate shit. Okay, you don't know
what the fuck these people be doing behind they closed
doors anyways. So I was like, oh shit, the cousin

(30:44):
coming forward talking about this happened to him as a child, right,
So you know, the prosecutors doing what she gotta do,
you know, so lady counsel woman whatever, and so you
know she's asking questions prime so that we can get
all the information. So you know, he talks about how
he actually went to his brother, his brother, not the

(31:04):
defendant's brother, right, because they're all family. But he went
to his own brother, told him like, yo, cousin so
and so is fucking like, this is what happened. And
so his brother was, you know, probably crashed out, told
the mom. Mom did what she had a dude took
her baby to the hospital, and they did a police report.
So it's actually police record and I guess it couldn't

(31:25):
go into detail about that case, I don't know because
they were under age, but they have a police record
of the situation where this nigga touched his cousin okay,
raped him anally, and had oral sex.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
With him, fucked them in ass.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Can we grow up? Here?

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Is crazy work?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Can we grow up?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
You mean we did?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's what he did? Yeah, gotta say it like that
comically is not funny.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
This shit is diabolically hilarious in the way because white
people are really disturbing.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
We can't I want to say that, but we can't
really say that because there's a lot of black predators.
I ain't about to make it about race pedophilia.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
It's really I don't know, man, it's such a weird
like where'd you get that from? And it's like a
weird thought process. But then I think back now that
I even have to think too hard. You know, this
has been going on since the moment in Piggy Days,
as they say, and it's really disturbing. All right, demons

(32:37):
know what they're doing and this is fucked up.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
It's demons on people, right, Yeah, so go ahead, So yeah,
so that comes out. I wanted to go back right
as far as talking about the grooming line, the different
stages of grooming. So we talked about targeting. How you know,
I'm speculating maybe he just took an interest in this
woman because she found out, I mean, he found that
out that she had a son. The second stage is

(33:04):
gaining access. We've seen that he gained access. Now, I
didn't disclose that. You know, on day one when the
victim testified, he talked about you know, yeah, he had
happy moments because the defense is gonna ask like, well,
did you you know, he's gonna try to frame it
like regular father and son relationship because he's defending the
fucking sick person. So he's trying to try to map
it as like, you know, this is innocent stuff. So

(33:25):
the last questions about like the relationship, did you have games?
Did you guys do certain things together? Because he was
in his license, he was very young, and so he
expressed that you know, this person fed him, took care
of him, gave him gifts, gaming devices, things of that sort.

(33:47):
So gaining access is when the actual perpetrator will establish
trust with a child by making them feel special. That
could be through gifts compliments. Mind you, his real biological
father is not in his life. He, especially as a boy,
is looking for a man right to feel that that

(34:08):
void that he has. And so this is the stages
of grooming. There's a baby. First of all, children don't
know what's right and wrong. They kind of like you know,
when they're young when you teach them, but like it's
kind of different when something.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Like this shit happens, right right, this.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Is some crazy shit. So this man is doing all
the fatherly things, but at the same time he's fucking
sexually abusing him. So that's some confusing shit, like well
this he's buying me toys, he takes me fishing, fuck up,
he takes me to the you know what I'm saying.
He takes me to the sporting game these That's exactly
what's going on.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
And best father is out there that be doing that.
This thing is just doing it to this little boy.
He's not even his father, which is the sickest ship.
But then his biological fathers who be doing that to
parre with their sons and the daughters.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Sick especially Yepp. So mind you, and like again, I'm
glad you mentioned daughters. He has a sister, So listen,
I just think it's just I told you that they
broke up after your break up and we ain't we
ain't doing no legal shit and all that shit. You
ain't gotta be near my fucking children ever again. But
I know some people they'll let I don't know if

(35:13):
they develop a close relationship. But it wasn't like he
was taking both the children and going public places with them.
He would like specifically target this boy. He'll even text
the boy, are're gonna go see me? This weekend. The
fuck kind of how does that sound? Gonna come see
me this weekend? Shit like that. So he he maintained
in this boy's life for numerous of years, even up

(35:37):
until recently, because they said that before the charges got
on him and he got arrested or whatever, he just
met with him as an older adult twenty twenty one
whatever and helped him change a tire for a friend.
So he really looked at this man as a dad.
Stockholm syndrome is real. We'll get into that later too, right,

(35:59):
so this is really a cycle, all right, and that's
that's stage number three. Trust and development. Okay, this man's
been in my life. There's many years. He's fed me,
he's bought me things, he's picked me up from school,
he's done all these things as a father role. But
this man is sexually touching me. Right, So you know,

(36:19):
with the trust, you know, oh, he's a consistent present
in the child's life. He's spending time with him. Even
after the mother is no longer with this man and they,
you know, they departed, he moved out of their trailer
and he moved back in with his parents. And so
the victim also talked about going to the guy's parents' house.

(36:40):
So now you like you really engulf like you probably
do his parents maybe as like you know, grand granddad, grandma,
that kind of way, even though these are just like
little titles, you know. So that's what's going on, all right,
because children are usually oblivious to these type of dangers
in the relation relationship, right, so they don't know the

(37:02):
fine line between normal and abnormal acts. You got this
nigga talking about this is normal, this is what fathers
do with their sons. Sick fuck, and that was the
line they can't emphasize on this case. They got the day.
Remember he's telling this boy, this is what fathers do
with their sons. It's a sick ass nigga, right, sick
as fuck. So, yeah, that's what's going on. So I

(37:25):
guess it hundreds of times. There's a period like it's unfortunate,
this is sick And now you know, jurors, when we
had our little meeting when we had to decide this
nigga was guilty or not guilty, right, we talked about
it and somebody made a point that unfortunately, because this
baby's brain got all fucked up, he's probably desensitized to

(37:46):
these sexual like he might be enjoying it. Right, So
that's like number four desensitization to the sexual content and
the touch. You know. So he established Oh, this man's
been in my life since I was really young. All
these years, I never had any problems. He does all
this for me or whatever. So like, you know, the

(38:09):
trust is established, and now they're desensitized. He's telling me
that this is normal or whatever, or if he you know,
or think I think it was also like if you
do this, don't tell nobody, you know, things like that.
So they're just thinking, well, this is like a parent
figure to me. I shouldn't tell anybody. I'm scared. You know,
this is what's going on. So he definitely became desensitized. Right.

(38:31):
So going back fast forward, the cousin tells his testimony
that he was touched, they actually took the precautions and
that there was a beef with his side of the family.
And then you know, because they all family, there was
like beefs with they families about that shit. And you know,
the defendant's parents they was like, fuck the cousin, he
a liar. They try to destroy my son, these evil bastards.

(38:55):
I guarantee you that this nigga was touched by his
mother or his father and that's why that shit is normalized.
And he did the same shit to this victim. It
is some sad shit. Okay, it was just too much. Okay,
you gotta be in the court. This is a real shit.
This ain't no Diddy. Shit is beyond like what they
show on Diddy is not even the surface of what

(39:16):
the fucking evil that these niggas in the industry do,
but just a real live situation, like somebody in your town,
wherever you live in. This is what's going on. This
is what people have been through. And you see the emotions.
That's real emotions. The people crying for him that's in there.
Gotta listen to this shit. You know what I'm saying.
What man will wanna come up there and lie on

(39:37):
a stand. This is trailer parks, trash people. I ain't
trying to be funny. This niggas ain't got no sch funny.
This is not like, oh, some extortion or were trying
to lie on this niggas so we can get something
out of him, or you know what I'm saying, or
we talk vendetta. No, this is a real situation. That happened.
It's sad and it's sick, and this nigga needs his
head chopped off. I ain't trying to be funny. This

(39:58):
is the niggas who do shit like this. The children.
They there's a death in my opinion anyways, So where
am I at? Dutch? Okay? The cousin testified. That's day two, right.
They had other people like you know, police officer, sergeants
who's working on the case because they talk about, you know,

(40:19):
once he came as an adult, they started the investigation
on him. So one of the sergeants, this lady, she
was able to get a what's it called a search
warrant to go into his parents' house because this man
still was living with his parents or whatever, to get
all of his electronic devices because one thing that the
victim also said is that he took pictures of him

(40:39):
when he was a child, and naked pictures of his penis,
things like that, and so they seized all of his property,
his electronics. They had like the forensic specialists who can
pull this digital information. By the way, like they say,
once it's on the internet, even if you deleted, it's
always on the internet. The Feds can get whatever the
fuck you post. If it's that same computer, they can

(41:00):
get that shit back from fucking two thousand and two,
all your shit, search history, everything, pictures. That's what they mean.
There's always a footprint that's like maybe you can't access it,
but there's somebody that can access that shit. But anyways,
so they broke that down. They didn't find any concrete evidence, right,
but they were revealed to us on one of the

(41:22):
days that there were three links, right, three site links.
They couldn't click into it, they didn't see what was
on it. But if y'all gonna hear it, y'all gonna
only imagine the links was likexx like it was like
a sex porn site. And then the hyperlinks like you
know where it continues to go was like teen boy,
sex child set like shit like that. Three links just

(41:43):
like that, and that was recently in twenty twenty three.
That's what they found. They didn't find all the other stuff.
They didn't find any pictures of like you know, the
victim victim t they didn't have any of that. But
that's what they found. So that was another evidence that
they prevent mean presented to us. So you got the
cousin who that he was touched by him, and there's
an actual police record of it, and this guy actually
did go to Julie for it. Then you got these

(42:07):
url links that have all this sexual like child sex
shit on the damn hyper you know, the towards did whatever.
And so they also showed us right that Now, even
though none of the pictures showed actual sex or anything inappropriate,
they showed us pictures that they felt were fucking inappropriate

(42:30):
and definitely showed the grooming. Right. So they showed us
thirteen pictures. I kid you not, like around half the
pictures is this man and this victim even though he
was teenagers, different ages like some of them was when
he was a child. Some of them he was teenagers, shirtless,
lying down in a bed. But the fuck is going

(42:53):
I'm looking at this shit like this is some sick shit.
This is not even his daddy, This is a random nigga.
The shame on the mother. The mother is nowhere near
to be found, nowhere near to be found in this court,
nowhere near to be on the damn stand to actually
testify for her baby. I'm just like, what the fuck

(43:13):
is going on with them? The mom need to go
to the prison with the nigga. In my opinion, you
know what I mean, this is a neglectful bitch. And
the sister though, so it was some weird discrepancies that
we were like, why wouldn't the mom and his sister
be here to talk about it? Their key components to this.
They grew up in the same household with this man.
But either way, like I said, there was pictures of

(43:36):
the defendant with a shirt off and the child with
a shirt off, and they're laying down like cuddling, like
all this weird shit, and I was like, this is
some sad stuff. This is grooming. This is really grooming.
This is, like I said, going back to number four, desensitization.
He ain't thinking nothing of it now. Some of the
other pictures were like them in a car fishing trip

(43:58):
or you know, just some shit like that. But the
ones that stood out to me, this nigga's in the
bed with this this boy that's not his shirtless. The
fuck is going on? We don't know what's the bottom
half looking like we only see in the top half
with these pictures, you know what I'm saying. So that's
what's going on. And the last line of the grooming
lines first to stage number five is maintaining control. Right,

(44:21):
so offenders they offer use secretcy and feelings a shame
to maintain the control over the child. You know, in
some cases perpetrators might like utilize like self generated intimate
content to extort the children, inter prolonging the abuse, or
they might just say certain things like oh if you
if you're tell anybody, I'm gonna kill your mom, or
I'm gonna do shit like that. You know, that's another

(44:43):
portion maintaining control. He definitely maintained control over this guy.
I know Stockholm syndrome is a part of it, but
for this this this man now to even call him
to help change his friend's tire and he touched you Dutch?
What do you? What's your thoughts? I know, I mean,
I know this episode is kind of gonna be mainly

(45:05):
me talking because I am the one with the story,
But what's your thoughts on everything? I just want to
like pause for seconds.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Well, I was gonna say, we'll come on to the
search history from whatever porn site he was on. I
thought it was interesting, not interesting, but it's interesting because
there's an FBI thing going on right now. Hence why
I think I was telling you out before, like a
lot of the big porn sites are shut down in

(45:35):
certain states. You can't access it in certain states in
America because of the fact that you could go search
something like that and find hundreds and thousands of videos
of teen boys and teen girls and even younger than that.
So children on these sites for people who are digging

(45:56):
hard enough, you know what I mean, people who are
into that, and it's like, damn, people are really out
there extraor and children for money on these you know,
boring sites and ship Like it's fucked up, exploiting children. Yeah,
it's just it's really fucked up. Where where the world
is that? And it's really at the click of a button.

(46:16):
So that was one thing, and that's the FBI's quick
is currently on that right now trying to look into
that and you know, save people and the whole nine
it's like a whole sector of it and put people
in jail. Yeah, feel bad for the victim. You know,
it's just it's fucked up. Man, it's fucked up. And

(46:38):
then's some white people that can't keep saying white people
ship but the boys shit. So for me, I was
jokingly saying that we'll come on to this little gay
fagged boy. Shit white people, that's not ship bro. Yeah
yeah yeah, like from Catholic, from Catholic churches to pastors
down to this you know what I mean to the
trailer to the trailer park. Yes, black people have that too,

(46:58):
but if you had to put a percent join it,
it's like ninety percent white.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
You do have to keep into mind that a lot
of victims, especially the children, they don't come forward. And
he was talking about how he didn't come forward initially
because he didn't feel like he would be believed, Like
he didn't think that.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
And that's normally the storyline with most of these cases.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, especially like rape and things like that. A lot
of people they feel like they won't be believed if
they come forward and tell what happened to them.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
When it comes to rape, right, it's fucked up. I
know you were saying, well you had said that, you know,
not that you had said, But I would ask the
question like this, would you date a guy who went
through a traumatic experience like this? He and let's say
he didn't look fucked up, he was clean cut, he

(47:53):
had a good job. Everything in this sum everything of
this one and this this is one thing that he
had went through in his life.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Nah, he's bringing it up because I was like, yo,
you know, you know me shout out to Shorty for
staying with him. I'm not saying that she shouldn't, but
absolutely not. Now, the victims didn't say that he was
anally rape. He came talking about oral and masturbation, masturbation,
but all we know he probably was anything rape that
he just didn't want to talk about that, right, because

(48:22):
if he did it to the cousin, I don't see
why he didn't do it to him. So, uh, you know,
when it comes to that, you're really fucking with a
man's spirit. That's why when it comes to like the
celebrities like Diddy, ain'tal sexiest you in the satanic world,
because it's a part of breaking your psyche, especially a man,
so that they can reshape it with the mkotra. And

(48:44):
you know what I'm saying, Like that's part of it.
It's like, yeah, they're doing some evil shit. It might
be pleasurable in their perverse demonic way, but it really
is to control you and to really fuck up your mind,
especially as a man. So like I feel like there's
no original coming back from that. I feel like you're
gonna be mentally fucked up, and you got these spirits
on you. I ain't saying the most I can't turn

(49:05):
your life around, but me personally, absolutely fucking not. Youw
I couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
I feel you I couldn't do it. Now, you know,
I would keep that question open to the people who listen.
And also you know what I mean, like for women, right,
And I only ask that question because women would want
a guy. And this is when even even like the
loudest women who mark up their body because of their trauma,

(49:33):
in the sense of the girls who put the Medusa
tat on they fucking face chest and shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Do that too. That's why people like Chris Brown and
all of them get the tattoos up to their neck.
They be marking their bodies like all them rappers with
all the trauma, because of the trauma.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, so you know, I say all that to say,
you know, for people who are say, those are the
low of people who like to mark up their trauma.
Like you know, I've seen plenty of girls. It's like
a not a normal thing. I see plaining girls with
big old Madusa tats on their arm, they nack, they
chest and at first I was like, what's the trend
with this Meduca shit? But then I looked into him, like, oh,
these are girls who are trying to say I was

(50:10):
raped though molested at some point in my life, you
know what I mean? And now I'm a I'm a fairy,
you know what I mean. I don't fucking know. Psychological
it's a psychological trauma that's been going on, and girls
would want a guy to accept all of that as
as know as them and you know, still work with

(50:31):
them and be with them in the whole nine. But
you hear it coming from a male's point of view,
or the trauma happened from a guy, from an older guy,
it's really it's really like heartbreaking. It's like damn, you
know what I mean? And then and then you know,
but those are the stories where well, I can see
why he's gay, you know what I mean. I can

(50:51):
see why he's a fact, I can see why he's
always angry. I know he's not what I'm saying, But
these are the stories I could say I could see
why versus other people who was like, I'm just here
because I'm here, you know what I mean. It's just
it's a weird thing. Like so a person sitting there
like you know, oh, me and a guy did this,
that and the third and when it was kids and

(51:14):
then older, you know, one one of them turned out
to be subs or he turned or they both turned
out to be you know, suspect all in all, you
know what I mean. But little do they know that
this came from them being But no, this is kids
being At that point, it would be because this this
this what you're talking about. It gets when it's two

(51:35):
kids who did it to each other. But but then
the question coming up, where did the kids get this from?
What happened?

Speaker 2 (51:43):
But it was groomed to that.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
But but then but now groomed to the kids. How
are you saying.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
There somebody in that household that they're being raised.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Right right? Did this to the kids? Now, just for
argument purposes, let's say that didn't happen. So I'm willing
to entertain the psychological of that, right right right, That's
why I was going to go down to And that's
what led to these kids tools left alone to experiment
with one another. And now this is the outcome as

(52:20):
they became adults. They didn't. No one was groomed here.
They just this that the site, the psyche fuck with
them and it was alone in the sense of the
children turned them into the music. The music that Yeah,
you know what I mean. Yeah, And that's just where
my mind was going on the opposite end with this,

(52:41):
because it is it still grooming at that point or
is it psychological grooming from.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
The psychological grooming and warfare from the government. Like we
have a show called Disneyland Pedophilia for some reason that
that and that particular show has been trending as far
a lot of you've been downloading that show, So I
don't know, y'all, y'all been That's an old show that's
like twenty nineteen. I think a lot of people have
been listening to that show lately. So, yeah, we have

(53:07):
a show called Disneyland a pedophilia where we talk about that.
You know how in like these particular films, it's not
just Disney. We just use Disney as an examples other
like kid networks and shit like that that have like
the hidden messages of sex and stuff in their their content,
their TV shows and their films, And so yeah, I
would agree with you that some things is first, especially
when it's children on children, like evil acts and things

(53:29):
like that. A lot of the times it is just
the mkultra, like you know, like with the sexual acts,
like it's all a whole bunch of things. Like dicks
are like hidden in the.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
In the there's a on the crunchy Cheetos bag, the
regular crunchy Cheetos. It's a dick. Among them is a
shape like the dick. I've seen it the other day.
I'm looking at it like they do. I'm like, it's
my eye trying to just make me see a dick
or is there a dick? And I'm looking at it
like that shaped like ahead of a dick. That's a dick.
It's a cheeto. They're fucking weird people. They said a

(54:03):
snakelball is supposed to emulate a black man's deck. Who
said that, Why, that's old news. Off, But we're not
gonna talk about decks.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
But I don't want to go off.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Yeah, the situation was a very unfortunate situation, and I
think it is interesting that this is a court case
that you happen to have to go to, especially at
the height of what's being blasted on you know, social media,
mainstream TV in regards to you know, Diddy and his
freaking ship. But this ain't no again the Diddy shit,

(54:36):
ain't this ain't nothing new. This ship is old news
is just being blasted.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I also just want to add because the defense was terrible,
like the way it was painted. I was like, Dan,
this is this would make a good movie. I ain't
gonna lie. I was like, because the defense he looked
like a greasy ass nigga, Like he just looked like, like,
why are you defending it?

Speaker 1 (54:56):
This is probably a shame to have to defend.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I'm sure. But you know, he didn't really defend too much.
He would, you know, ask certain questions when he do
his cross examination, like certain things, you know, to try
to like frame.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
It, like what questions did you ask him? So the
only question I would have to ask him what did
you do it? Well?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
He did ask that, so he did. The guy did
go on the stand. I want to put out too
when people are guilty and like good body language. Every
witness when they were asked a question, they turned to
us jurors and looked at us in our eyeballs and
answered it. Every single one okay, maybe except for the victim,

(55:38):
but everybody else that was supporting the victim, they was
looking at us. I think I can see what. I
think the victim did look at us, you know, from
time to time, but I think he was more so
like yeah, you know on the prosecutors. Yeah. So yeah,
the guy when he took the stand, he he would
not look at us. Only time he looked at us
when they put them, you know, make them swear on

(56:00):
the Bible whatever. So yeah, they did ask him, you know,
they were like, oh, you know, they break down the
same thing. What was your relationship with the mother? What
was it like? They asked him, did you were you
ever alone with him in his bedroom? No? Did you
ever do you know this with him? No?

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Okay, everything.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah, that's it. He ain't have not his mother or
father come and testify about his character on his behalf,
not his sisters or any other family members that they mentioned.
He ain't have a friend, He ain't have not no
fucking single soul talk about his character. So you think
that after all the evidence that they presented to us,
that we was gonna take your fucking word, nigga, just
because we don't got a video of you fucking this baby?

(56:44):
Are you crazy?

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Shame the whole time to me.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
He looked ashamed. He couldn't look up when the when
he was on.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
His hand and lying. Ain't nothing.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
They can't do that, you know, understand, But that's what
they could. I can't say that because then the judge
they control. It's really controlled this.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Entire I hear you. But when you are pleading your case,
you could be as emotional, you could be as story
telling you can. I've been. I've sat understand before as
the victim. I'm not the victim, but as the the
person being accused, you know what I.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Mean, accuse them what tickets and stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Just I'm just saying, but I mean not even you know,
you don't know you know the stuff I've been through,
you know what I'm saying. Being the old this person
that this this person that that you know what I mean,
and I'm the person that's being pointed at. You get
when you talk. He might ask you one question, but
you get the gap in and you and it's it.
You're gonna get the gap in emotionally you can so
the fact that he didn't it was all I needed

(57:45):
to see.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
No one thing that he tried to frame it because
then you know, they went back to like the location
of you know, the layout of the house, the trailer
or whatever, and you know, like oh, because the defense
was like, well, your room is all the way over here,
and if his mom and his auntie is all in
the living room and the boys rooms on the front,
how could they not hear what is going on on
the accusations. That's how he was framing it, right, And

(58:06):
then it was like so then the when she had
to do her little follow up the prosecutor, she was like,
why was you not in the same bedroom as the mother?
And he was like, oh, I'm a Christian and I
don't believe in that.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
It's just he's a Christian. He is seeping in the
same bed with them. Should jewish?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
No, That's what he said. And then so she was
like really, So then she was like, well, what kind
of Christian has Then she went over the url links
boy stuff in his browser his computer. But yeah, I
thought that was funny too. I thought it was sick
to have to look at a psychopath and they face
I'm behingest. This is this is probably my first time. No,
we probably all been around cycle paths, especially in New York,

(58:47):
you know, cycle paths on the trains. Yeah, past every
but no, like for real, like this close to a psychopath,
like really lying who did some real evil ship because
this is satanic. It's fuck to me. This is spiritual,
all right, So I'm just like, this is some crazy shit.
This nigga really lying. So anyways, that was what went on. Okay,

(59:07):
y'all got the gist of it. Okay, I had to
sit through a trial about a fucking pedophile who touched
a boy, A man who touched a boy, a child.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
A man who touched a child.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, are you making this joke?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Nah, it's not. I'm not trying to bring I'm not
trying to make it all sad. Okay, I'm not trying
to make it a joke. It's not a joke. This
is some shit that's really happening in everybody's fucking town
that they live in, and it's happening a lot. It's
really something that needs to be talked about on a
grander scale over some diddy shit, not just his case,

(59:42):
but the way that is happening all over the world
constantly every single day.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
This ties to child trafficking and I know he hasn't
been trafficked. I know, trafficking is when you.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Move in the children things to lean to it like
this Nigga could have.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
But that's what I'm saying. He could have been starting
to the whole ring of boys. He could have been
selling off to his other perverted friends. Now this goes
into Pizzagate and Diddy. Now they try to make this
shit about racketeering when he had a reco case. Right,
they just sitting here keeping it on adults and stuff
like that. I want to point out that they're speaking
in cold. All this shit is cold, right, because we

(01:00:19):
know that their surface level, and then there's the real
like shadow government in what they allow when it comes
to their little puppets. Right, these entertainment stars are there,
their little political figures. So they was talking about with
the Diddy trial that oh, did he likes apple sauce
on things? He likes apple sauce on burgers, these like
apple sauce, apple sauce, apple sauce. When I was listening
to this, I was like, Oh, they're speaking on that

(01:00:41):
pedophile cold Pizzagate wording. Anyways, So yeah, they have these
these cold words. So like with the Podesta emails, going
all the way back there, right with the Clinton and
the Podesta emails. You know, hot dog equals bull boy
and pizza girl and cheese little girl, pasta, little boy,

(01:01:05):
ice cream, male prostitute, walnut or nuts, person of color
maps semen, and then sauce is orgy. So look at
that apple sauce. Apple sauce. We already know they're talking
about the dinny parties, orgies, orgies, all this shit. So
they're speaking in cold. I personally feel like they're talking
about apple sauce on burgers, maybe talking about children. We

(01:01:27):
don't know what the fuck how deep they're going. All right,
they sitting here dropping out things, talking about Nicki Minaj
says something and they want to retract it and say, oh,
that was never what they said. They probably did say
that shit, but then the higher ups, the certain people
made certain calls, and he was like, y'all gonna have
to cover that shit up, like she ain't really say that,
you know what I'm saying, like little things, it's all coated.

(01:01:48):
Maybe by the end of this case, we ain't gonna
do it. Like how these niggas doing every fucking day
like dick riding it. Towards the end, when the verdicts in,
we'll go back and break down the rituals and all
the other extra shit. But for now, I just wanted
to bring up, you know, the child trafficking, the pedophilia,
coldes because they're talking about sauce sauce, apple sauce or burgers.
Who knows what apple stands for? Who knows what burger

(01:02:09):
stands for?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Something? To find it interesting that they've been getting this detailed,
I guess, entertainment wise, for the public, for y'all to
consume with this ship, because it is it's like, oh,
you know what I mean. For me, it's like, oh,
you ain't got to dig no more. It's on the
front street, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
I mean yeah, but it's the people still looking at
the surface.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
It's kind that's the cringe part about it. That's a victim.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Bitch is a part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Yeah, Niggas is weird. How many rappers are made man
songs were mentioning how they probably had Cassie in some
type of wave form of fashion, like I listened to
a something earlier. Nigga was like, yeah, head way better
than Cassie's. Like I'm like, oh wow, he's a or
nikki like figure out a way to get CASTI. From
what she said, way pretty get a cast I know

(01:02:58):
it's so many, but anyway, yeah, man, they're they're we're
not gonna go into the celebrity.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Shill, yeah, because they're trying to claim that your CASTI
was groomed. This is a grown woman that signed her soul.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
None that some people. Some people want to argue that,
you know, and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Because he was like seventeen years older than her, I
think I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Will say, you know, there is people out there. I
feel like it's probably be controversial, and I want to
wrap this up to after I say this, like the
Indian people having arranged marriages, it's part grooming.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
The child marriages.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Yeah, not even the child mark, but the child marriages. Yeah,
the ones that the Arabics and ship like that. Chest
I'm sorry, I'm not tips on them, but I think
I'm saying like when they like when they have the
uh you know, oh I have my daughter and then
you know, like your dad, know he got up your friends,
like you're pre planning this ship like you know, you

(01:03:57):
have your son and I have my daughter. When they
get older, we link up and we want to you know,
make them get together. We can keep our fortunes going
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
That's like humans, I see what you're saying. I feel
like it depends on what a cop like how far
that goes, like as far as like are they just
talking amongst each other or are they like grooming the
children like into this relationship. That's what I'm saying, Like
they could just be talking amongst each other where they
do the arranged marriages and be like, well, I have
a daughter, you have a daughter at their age. You know,
when they get a certain age, we want to introduce

(01:04:25):
them or try to, you know, arrange this marriage. If
it's like that where they're just making arrangements, because a
lot of the times that they don't they don't know
each other. They kind of like some situations they just
kind of forced to get to know each other once
the marriage happens. So I don't think that's grooming per se.
But if they're like forcing these kids to be around
each other and keep trying to say, oh, this is

(01:04:46):
gonna be your yeah, that's something, now thatsk some sick shit.
That's weird. So I feel like that's where the line
will get drawn. If they just keeping it like adults
talking about what they're trying to do, like as far
as have their children marry each other, and a lot
of the times they just meet each other like right
before the marriage, not even like they was around each
other when it was younger then. I don't think it's grooming.

(01:05:08):
I got yeah, yeah, I said, y'all, that's a little
story time for you. It's shameful to say I hate
that kids. Yeah, the mom, The mom is off the
hook for me. That bitch. That's an evil bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Grooming your kids. And be careful with these widows. That's
our head I want to be. I say, is your
stepdaddy niggas, man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Nah, but the thing is stepdaddy to one if they
take interest in one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Child, yeah yeah, and if you have one child, that's
one thing. But you know, just just be careful with
these thickets that you up around. Man. I think I
just think it's kind of weird with some niggas who's like,
I want to be all upon your kid. I want
to be super dad and ship like that. It's one
thing you're trying to impress Shorty because you really like
short You want to help out the kid. But you know,
most women, you should discern it and recognize when a

(01:05:58):
dude really likes you when to help you with your kid,
versus a nigga who's like really having some weird type
of liking for your kid, you know what I mean.
And my mama only had like a boyfriend or two
throughout my growing up, and only one nigga like that
I took a liking to. It was him just helping
her with me. It wasn't like a, oh, this is

(01:06:20):
my son, and I don't camera call him doing it
like that. He'll just do like ship that niggas do
with this by your son some Pokemon cards and shall
my by your son a game or two? You know
what I mean. I'm gonna take them to the you
know what I mean. Some call them little ship, but
that's about it, you know what I'm saying. Pick you
up from school to day and bring it to that.

(01:06:42):
I know, but like not on somebody. I never felt
like this nigga like this is my dad. It was
never like some weird like you know what I mean,
like lady got just But.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
That's not taking away from people who actually are real
stepfathers who are not.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
I'm not trying to take with from one of them,
just ladies, please you was better Discissa act like bitches
not touching children.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
We're not. And eventually I will be happy when they
will start to target the women of the industry with
these type of allegations. They do the same evil shit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Hey, there's a comedian made a joke saw it, and
she had made a joke along the lines of like, oh,
I like fucking with younger dudes, and she had fucked
with one of her friend's sons when he turned like
twenty five, twenty six, but she donet seen this nigga
grow up from when he was like ten.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
That sick, sick bitch, And she.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Made a joke a body like, yeah, I like fucking
with young like young, like fucking with these right ends
and niggas is like like when I heard that. When
I heard them one listens, I'm like that doesn't that
sounds sounds weird, Like I get it. And the nigga
to him is like, ooh, I scored, because that's how
dudes are. But she said, you know how you know,
I've been friends with her for like this amount of years.

(01:07:59):
I met her son he was like ten, eleven, twelve,
This young nigga all six foot and handsome and all
this other shit, and then one day he ran down
and she would let him touch it, and I thought
that was kind of like, well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
We've even talked about stories that y'all can catch. I
forgot the exact episode. We talk about this particular basketball
team that was all smashing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
You know, one of the the principals. These niggas were
over eighteen most of them, all.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Of them, I don't care. This is a romitch and
like you said, most of them, they could have been seventeen. Listen,
we didn't get into that, but that's that's pretty much
the show, y'all. Y'all share your thoughts and tell me
if you had to do jury duty and you made
it as far as I did, what they selected you
as and what your case was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Talk about Jerry Duty chronicles.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Yeah, peace out, peace out b