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https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-recap-anne-rice-s-immortal-universe--6779019
In this episode, hosts Tamara and Lisa discuss the first two episodes of AMC's 'Telemaska: The Secret Order,' part of Anne Rice's Immortal Universe. They explore the show's characters, storylines, and the challenges of adapting source material. The conversation delves into character development, pacing issues, and predictions for future episodes, highlighting the unique aspects of the series while comparing it to other adaptations in the universe.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey everyone, and welcome. We've watched it and now we're
going to talk about it. We're covering AMC's latest entry
to their immortal universe. Tellamasca the secret order. I'm your host, Tamara,
and I'm glad you're here. Joining me is my co host, Lisa. Welcome, Lisa, Hey, Tamrah.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey everyone. My name is Lisa Orban. I am an author.
I'm also the founder of Indies and United Publishing House,
and I love all things pop culture, including and Rice.
Before we dive in, just a few quick things.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
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(00:56):
in our review stall right.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Lisa osolutely Tamera, this is a conversation, not a dissertation.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Exactly, no scene by scene breakdowns here, we jump around,
and of course, huge spoiler alert for every show in
this world through the episodes we're talking about today. So
if you're cool with that, this is the place for
you and we should just jump right in. So we
watched the first two episodes. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, So I have read all of Ann Rice's books,
and I know you have not, right, so I am
both familiar with this world. But these characters aren't necessarily
from They're from her books, but not if that makes sense,
This is a this is a creation based on her books.
(01:45):
So far, I'm enjoying it because it seems to be
saying pretty true to the idea of what the Titlemasca
is and the characters. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, So as a non reader of these books, Okay,
so obviously we watched the other show set in this
world as well, And to be honest, this is absolutely
no interview with a vampire.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It's not. It is not.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It definitely lends itself to that, you know, espionage type show,
which definitely has a naturally slower pace, and this show
is showing up that way from me, and I'm the
jury's out, even though we're one third the way through
the season already with one well.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Here, I mean, so we had a little bit of
an introduction with the Mayfair wishes about the Talamasca, and
there was mentioned briefly an Interview with a Vampire or
specifically the second season, not so much the first. The
Tallamasca has been around for if you've read the books,
you know that they've been around for a very long time.
(02:59):
They they're not really good guys, but they're not really
bad guys either. They're more about trying to maintain the
balance between the two worlds. So yeah, they're not really
you know, for humans, they're not really good guys because
they know about the witches, the vampires, of were wolves,
(03:21):
the things, the things that go bumping a night, and
for the most part lead them to their own devices
until or unless they spill over into more human worlds.
So you know, a few humans here and there die
because of a werewolf, for a vampire or whatever. You know,
that's just Chrice of doing business right right. So, and
(03:46):
like I said, the characters, you know, they have Daniel
from Interview with a Vampire come in, So there's a
little bit of continuity between the two shows. And I
will say that they have taken some very liberal liberties
within Rice's world here, So I recognize a lot of it,
(04:07):
but the characters don't always do and act as they're
supposed to. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Well, you know that's the thing with adaptations. I expect
massive changes. And I guess that's kind of a perk
of not having the source material in my head, because
you know, when I do all of those book to
movie or book to TV adaptations on shelf addiction, I'm
always thinking about the source material.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So sometimes I think.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It's hard for me to enjoy it as it is
because that source material is always in my head. So
I think you and I will probably get different experiences
out of this, just because you have the source material
and I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I am going to say if they are doing with
the character Helen what I think they are doing, I'm
going to be very very mad.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Oh, oh, don't say anything.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Don't tell me. I won't because they might change it anyway.
Who knows. They might well, and it would be a
massively retell reassignment of a character. Oh they do, and
if they do that, I'm gonna be pretty mad.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh No, Okay, you mentioned that they had the crossover
with Daniel's character in episode one. I really enjoyed seeing
that that was a great hook to catch the viewers.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
That watched Interview with a Vampire.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But now I'm wondering if we'll see anyone else from
like Mayfield, which is I don't know. I feel like
it's unlikely. I feel like they gave us the hook
and now that's it. We're not gonna see anyone else.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I get the impression they're trying to weave these worlds
in kind of tight with each other. In Anne Rice's world,
you know, she started with Interview with a Vampire in
this particular world, and then you know, she she did
the others, and each one was kind of layered on
top of the other, kind of like a nice sudden
(06:03):
layer cake. And uh so that they're you know, they're
they're they're they're connected, but they don't always intersect, but
they do influence each other. That makes sense, and in
a lot of times, you know, so sometimes it's it's
as obvious as Daniel walking onto the set in Tallamasca.
(06:25):
And sometimes it's just something mentioned, you know, a throwback
to a different show.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Okay, so I guess that means you and I need
to be intensely looking for Easter eggs.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Then oh there, I'm sure they're there. I mean, I
don't know what you want me to see at this point.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I mean that's because honestly, I watched it and it
was fine. I enjoyed it well enough. Both episodes were.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Fine to me.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I know a lot of people complained about the second
episode really slowing down in pace, but it was okay
to me so far.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And again, I mean, it's it's not that I can't
point to anyone thing and say this has made it
awful by this change. The the feel of the stories,
the the gothic creepiness is still there throughout the entire series.
The mystery, the secrets, the the monsters, you know, it's
(07:21):
it's all. It's it's still true to her books, her vision.
So I'll give her that. I'll give them that. And
they they've introduced characters that didn't exist, and then they've
they've merged characters that you know, had two different purposes
and things like that. So you know, they do what
they do, and it's it's okay. There's just a few
(07:44):
things that I again, if they do to Helen what
I think they're going to do to Helen, I'm going
to be very very mad. That's probably going to be
the first thing that I've really been mad about. So
what do you think.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
About Guy in these first two episodes, because I personally
have complaints about guys character number one. I understand he
is untrained, which is part of my problem. You know,
you watch this.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Kid his whole life.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You throw him in there with a couple a week's
worth of training, of which none of it was about
him learning how to use his own freaking abilities.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yep, just how to communicate with the Tallamaska.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That is dumb as hell, Like he is just walking
around in the dark as he is, you know. In
episode two, he is actually following someone and I'm like,
obviously they know you're back there. Yeah, you're so stuck
on stupid. You're not good at you have no spy
(08:44):
like training, you know. And when he follows the guy
to the restaurant, and of course Jasper is there. Of course,
we just learned in the first episode from Burton that
people that people can tell when you're trying to snoop
around in their heads. He didn't learn how to do it.
So he's like, who's listening?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
A well trained you know, but he's not.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And you guys known this dangerous stuff and he's got
zero training.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, well, not to mention. I mean he's on a
was it colopin, caliapin calia whatever, that the the you know,
antipsychotic and anxiety medicine taking that actually does his abilities.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
That's what I thought. I said, he needs to stop
taking it. He needs to learn how to deal with
the gift he has, right because and I'm sure the
doctors put him on that medication because he heard voices,
so they put him on a pretty powerful drug.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And the fact that they put him on this very
powerful drug that he is taking by the handfuls well
beyond I'm sure recommendations. If he was not taking those,
he probably wouldn't have to so much listen in as
much is eavesdrop, because he has to be very powerful
for his abilities to come through as much as they do,
(10:07):
as heavily medicated as he is. So if he wasn't medicated,
he probably could have just stood there and heard rather
than listened. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, But that also doesn't make sense to me and
the story because if Helen has been watching him this
whole time, and you know the kid has this ability,
why not give him a therapist that can help him
low key is secret. You know what I'm saying. He
didn't have to know the Telemaska did it. They've been
lying the whole time. He could just I don't know.
(10:38):
I feel like it's such a waste. And this character
looks so stupid because of the choices they made for
him and his abilities.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And I know they want o a learning curve, but
we've got six episodes, we're third done. What are they
going to show? What can happen where he instantly is
no longer stupid? Right? Well? And I mean, first off,
the the that girl that came in that met him
at the bar, I'm like, oh, she's a plant. Yeah,
that was obvious. Yes, you're my guy. And and then
(11:10):
they went to the to the uh the nightclub, which,
by the way, I don't know if you noticed or not,
was the same one that the Tallamasca people had been
at when the guy got his wallet boosted is id boosted?
It was the same place. Yeah, and uh and when
(11:30):
the the the other woman approached the sexy woman and
she laid into him, You're in so much trouble.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, I'm I'm gonna go with she's probably a vampire.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
You think so I wondered. I think her character's name
is Olive. I wondered if she was his handler. Might
be his handler, but I don't know the way. He
hasn't met that person yet.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, but the way that she was acting is more
vampire to me. And just because he that's his handler
doesn't mean that she is in a vampire Yeah, two
things could be true. Absolutely. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Uh, well, that would make sense that it's the same place.
It's probably a small little town there in. I mean,
I don't know if they're in London proper, if they're
like on the outskirts, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I don't know. Yeah, the one girl kept talking about
all the different places around, like the London and so on.
He's like, I have no idea what you're talking about.
He's like, I just got here.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, so I apparently know how to look right before
I cross the street.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, I you know, I am with him on this.
I don't know where we are. We're somewhere London esque,
but I mean just remember, you know, the UK is
small enough that you know, if you get in your
car for six hours, everyone talks funny the cheese tastes
or everyone talks where the cheese tastes funny. So it's
not a big place. No, it's not. It absolutely isn't.
(12:58):
But yeah, the UK is a is a day trip
in the US. Yeah, yeah, it is. It is.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I'm really curious to see what they do with Guy
and if I can find him likable at the very
least and the very least I feel like, oh, you know,
he's having a tough time.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I want to like him.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
At best case scenario, he turns into like this Megasby
that is so good at it. He didn't know he
was as good at it. I would love one of
the two of those. I don't want him to be
a bumbling idiot walking around London in episode six. I
don't want that.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I mean, it's very possible that if it follows the
an Rice arc, he'll end up the vampire at the
end of it.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
He might, but hopefully not season one. He's probably got
a lot to learn, you know. Yeah, I mean, it's
it happens. The stat usually is often involved. We're not
seeing him a season one of this show. He is
the universe's golden boy. Like his actor, he is Chef's kiss.
(14:01):
He's not showing up in this show.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Not yet. I mean, I'm just saying he Listat is
is often responsible for some very.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, and it's funny that because so we were presented
with Lestat from interview with a vampire.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He was very much portrayed as a bad person, and
if you read the books, you find out he really isn't.
Lestat really isn't a bad person. He could be mean,
he can be cruel, he could be very human, which
is a problem because humans aren't always great. But the
(14:44):
story told from an interview of the vampire was seniorly
from uh Louis point of view, and was a point
of view that was from very much from hurt and
and feelings of abandonment and pain. So so yeah, if
they keep the stat true to who he really is
(15:06):
when we see him next, I think you're gonna like
him a lot more because he's my favorite person.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So I am curious to see what they end up
changing about him. But in the first I don't know,
two seasons, he's not a great person. Season two wasn't
from Louise's point of view, so not really, it was
more like we got to see him from Claudia's journal
and other things, right, So it wasn't strictly Louise's broken
(15:34):
hearted point of view. He's not good right now. I'm
sure there's reasons for it. Obviously, he highy was done
dirty as well. We got some indication of that in
the show, right when he turned people.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
He doesn't know what they need, what to do with them. Well,
it's okay, So you gotta remember from the books, all right,
you have to remember that in the books Claudia was.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like six year Yeah, she was like five, I know,
but I have to use the context of the shows that.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Were watching, I know. So when Claudia was absolutely devastated
by the fact that she was turned into a vampire,
but she was also quite animalistic because of her age,
and then as she did mature mentally, the fact that
her body would not ever grow with her became a
(16:22):
She resented the stat for this very much, and part
of that was because the reason he created Claudia was
to try and replace the dead child that Louis had
lost because he had been a husband and a father
and he lost his kids, his wife and daughter in
(16:42):
a fear. So Claudia was a way to try and
give him something that he wanted. It was very bad choice.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Very bad choice, right, But I mean, okay, so yeah,
I knew that because I kind of I guess I
did know the core story of them. Somehow, some way
I knew that story, but maybe from the movie. The
movie had a different treatment the movies from the nineties,
but in this world, the principle is still the same.
(17:13):
He did that for Louis essentially, right. He begged him
and he did it, and Claudia resented it, like the
base is the same. But I kind of trust Claudia's
view of him more than I trust Louie's view of him,
because throughout the season it seemed like, you know, I know,
we're not talking about that show, but it seemed like
(17:35):
she was more reliable as a narrator than Louis was
because Louis was love struck the whole fucking time. He
couldn't you know, he has horrible taste of men. He
can't see shit clear, so I never really want to
trust his point of view one hundred percent. But I
feel like Claudia was an outsider for the most part,
and she could see yeah because she was also she
was mad, yes, but I don't know if that means
(17:55):
she couldn't two things can't be true for her.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I don't know if that means that, and I get that, yeah,
and I suppose they could take Lestat in a very
different direction. But if if they keep him true to
his actual self, Lestat is actually a not terrible person.
He's not particularly cruel, he's I could particularly mean, but
(18:21):
he is very tormented and lonely. So well, we'll see
if he makes a crossover to this world in this
part of the story, right this part of the world, Yeah,
will something bad. But the only reason because because Lestat
did actually have a very for for a period of time, Uh,
Lestat had a very strong and connection with the Tallamasca. Well,
(18:44):
maybe we'll see that in future seasons. I know we're
not getting in now.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's too way too early in the game for us
to get anything like that. But if this show somehow
manages to squeak by and get a second season, maybe,
because right now, honestly, we're on the street is and.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I kind of agree with this assessment.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Right now, as of two episodes, obviously it's no interview
with a vampire that is the Crown and glory that
is the show.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
But it's a little more interesting than mayfair Witches right now.
Sad because the books The Mayfair Witches were really they
were really good, but it was also a lot more
inner monologue.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, I get it. Well, we'll see because there's no
book for this, right, they're just taking them from the
world and applying it to this show. So they're trying
to pull from everywhere kind.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Of right, because I mean the Tallabasca is is throughout
the entire series. They do have mother houses in all
the cities that they listed, and they've even had huh,
they're always watching. Yes, they're always watching, and that is true.
They're always there. They're always watching. They are very old,
very rich order. They do tend to like they like
(19:58):
to live near library and religious institutions. But they're also
very high tech, so they had this low tech high
tech thing going on.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
They do tend to hire a lot of special people
for special tasks, so because you can't it's really hard
to be a normal human and go after the supernatural
scene and they do have it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I think this show would be highly effective if they
gave it the Monster of the Weak treatment like he obviously,
Guy would still have his main underlying story throughout the
whole He's the through line.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
He's the main character. But if he.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Could like find something going on or fix something every week,
his skill set would grow. But they would need a
longer season, I think for that to be truly effective.
But it could be good, I think, because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
For me.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That second season it did slow down notably. But the
second episode, I should say, because the first episode we
got we got Daniel in there, we were hooked. They
hooked us, and of course we're going through all of
this trauma. He's trying to figure out what the hell's
going on. He decides to leave and go to London.
(21:08):
So that was interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Was it fast?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
No, but it was still interesting. In the second episode
was interesting as well. But it is slow now. So
I am concerned what the rest of the season is
going to look like if they're not changing, Like what's
the formula for this show? I can't figure it out
quite yet.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Well, and I don't because, like I said, they they've
pulled a lot of the facts about the Talamasca into
this show, but there are a thousands of stories because
that it could be about. You know, there was some
infighting in the mother houses for a while. There were
some issues in the books, they don't. Sometimes it's just mentioned.
(21:49):
Sometimes it's you know, it takes a little bit, you know,
off center stage in the books. But the Tallamasca, it
really does what they do, really does weave through all
of these different threads in different communities that in Rice
writes about the Tallamasca never had its own series because
(22:11):
it's in every series. Yeah, everywhere.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, it's everywhere. That's their job. They're kind of just
lurking in the dark, always there, right.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And I don't think she ever felt the needed to
have a dedicated series to this because they were always
there and in a way it was more effective and
just we're always here, we're always watching. So as we're
reading the books, we're watching the watchers, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, So actually, I think ultimately can really show us
if the writers and producers of this show can pull
this off because they don't have like a literal page
per page source material in the same way that they
had the other two shows. So it's different. They're gonna
have to do a little more legwork, a little more effort.
(22:59):
They're gonna have it together. And and these are all.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Make it boring well, And these are all characters that again,
they are from the n Rice universe, but these are
wholly made up new characters to go in that are
being slit into this into these roles. So you know,
I'm looking at these people going, I don't know who
you are.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
But isn't that kind of exciting for you? Like because
you know that they're kind of trying to make something new?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
But I do kind of worry a little bit because
of what they did to Daniel. Are they going to
do something similar with Helen? Is she going to end
up being this character that I'm afraid that she's going
to be? Okay, for all of you out there who
are who have read the whole series, do you do
(23:49):
you think? But I'm thinking who Helen is? But the
pictures of the.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Twins comment and but trying to keep a spoiler free
are you spoiler tags please so you don't spoil it
for other people? But yeah, let Lisa know if you
think something bad is going to happen to that character,
or just say.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, I have a suspicion that Helen is more
than what she appears to be.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm sure she's going to be
more than she appears. She could be she's so old
a quote unquote, Yeah, she seems like she's been around
for she seemed like she was old when Daniel was
he child. But whatever, Okay, but we'll see I don't know.
I'm sure they're going to do something you won't like
with that character. But how we might not even see
(24:36):
her again for several episodes.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, well, and it was actually pretty cruel of her
when he says, one, while I see you again, you
probably won't. What do you mean, I'm not going to
see you again? You know?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Ever, look she said, I'm here to recruit you. I'm
not your mentor. So recruitment done next, moving on now,
Actually that was a pretty good recruitment tool she used
in episode one, She's like, hey, I know this guy
don't have no damn money.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I got five grand. You wouldn't come listen to my pitch.
I'll pay you. I could have. I mean, it could
have just as easily been fifty, you know fifty, I
mean again, very old, very rich. They don't you know,
if they just have to fill out the petty cash reports.
I'm sure it sounds like they have long money, very
long money. It seems like that. But a little five
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grand for him was a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
He couldn't even pay his rent, so of course he
was going to show up for five grand.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, and she knew it. Yeah obviously. And then of
course the.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Whole line where no one believes that these things are
really to you meet it until you see them, which
is true if I don't believe vampires are real, But
if I met one, that opinion would change it?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Would I mean absolutely? I kind of like to be
a lava parent. Wouldn't ever have to cook again? Yeah? Okay, anyway, sorry,
no food, but I.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Thought you know that again, like those things that happened
in that first episode were very effective in pulling me in.
I was like, all in, I still am all in.
I think it's going to be a fine ride if
nothing else, but I have adjusted my expectations based on
the second episode.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
So what you have, Like, did you.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Have anything specific you wanted to talk about, like it
you know in either episode that flat like kind of
flagged you to speak on or I.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Mean, okay, so we know that the curly blonde girl,
she's got the book that everyone's looking for, and the
guy that was murdered, try to tell guy to take
the backpack that had the book that everyone's looking for,
but he just ran away. He's a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
He looked at the book and he knew something was
interesting about that book. He looked at it several times
at the bar. Why wouldn't you take it?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You know?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
And so, I mean, there's that They have a lot
of threads going on right now, but I don't. But again,
I'm gonna reserve judgment because I do know some of
my perceptions are are shaded because I have read the books.
But since this is wholly new, I don't I don't
know if they're going to try and weave into an
(27:25):
existing storyline at this point, or if they're just gonna
go completely off book, literally off book.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I don't know, so, and they could go either way.
So is item is the item one seven five to two?
Is that familiar to you? Is that in the world
or is this new new new? Okay hmm, So yeah,
I think they're just gonna go completely different because obviously
it seems like this secret item is what they're looking
(27:53):
for now.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It is possible. It is possible. I can think of
one other thing it could be, But honestly, it would
probably only matter if Helen is who I think she
might be, so it would matter very much to her
because I feel like either one thing could be going on.
Either Helen is good and like she said, the London
(28:16):
branch has gone rogue, or she's really the villain and
the London Branch has gone road because they're trying to
be good and protect it from her. So I no,
I don't think Helen's a bad guy. I don't Okay,
I don't think she's good. Okay, don't get me wrong.
I think she's Tallamasca.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well I mean, guy said she's both right, yeah, so,
and I literally think she And that's just that's the
whole thing with the Talamasca.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
They live in this morally gray area. They really are
morally gray. But I am gonna go with yes, I
think that the London house has mother house has gone rogue. See.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
The thing is this, though, and I think this applies
to pretty much any story.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
You know, the villain.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
In the villain's mind, they're the hero always. They're never
doing anything for the wrong reasons. They're the hero in
their story. That's right, everyone's saying their own narrative. Yeah,
So I think anything could happen with Helen and she
she could that.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Be what you think in a different way. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
We'll have to see what they do, but I kind
of like that it's different, and it's gonna have to
keep the readers on their toes because they could deviate
it any moment.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, we'll see. I do.
I mean they did they sprinkle a lot of bread
crumbs in the first and second episode. M m, but
I don't think. I really kind of want to reserve
judgment until the third episode.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I guess that's fair. The third episode will definitely tell
me if the second episode was a fluke or if
it's gonna be that's the pace for the rest of
the season, because, like you know, it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Kept my attention.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
But boy, and I don't watch a whole lot of
traditional spy thrillers, especially British spy thrillers, because they're always
a little slow to me. So I'm really curious to
see if this is really gonna be similar to those,
or if they're gonna shake it up a little bit
and do Monster of the Week or something, I don't know,
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make it unique.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Some only four more episodes, which is crazy. That's such
a short.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Season, you don't really have a lot of time to
be wasting episodes or wasting half of episodes.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And here here's the thing, kind of like with an
interview with the vampires, the first season didn't really end
with any resolution. Mm hmm. I'm wondering if that's what
they're plenty on doing with this believe it like a
cliffhanger open that would mean okay, So I could see
them kind of splitting the difference, Like if they don't
know they're gonna get another season, they could probably.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Tie up some of the story, but a cliffhanger that
could be left there and we can draw our own
conclusions or they can continue. That would be the smart
thing I was with the difference and try to do
something that could be left or could continue.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah. Well, and it's even because again because the Telemasca
really is woven in all the way around, in all
throughout all of Annriis's books. Even if if they left
it on a complete cliffhanger, you are going, what and
they don't get picked up, that's okay, because they could
weave in that resolution spread out throughout the rest of
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the series. Maybe they could, they could, I don't know.
I get again.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I guess it will depend on if the writers of
this universe.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Talk to each other. Are we dealing with what I'm saying?
Deck of Cards, I am going to say, the feel,
the language, so on and so forth have adhered to
themselves very closely so far between the telemask An interview
with a vampire in the Mayfair Witches. So I'm gonna
(32:05):
go with yes, I do. I think that there's at
least some coordination. I hope. So, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I guess I'm just gonna ride this out and see
how it goes. But I think I was glad they
released two episodes at once. It was good to be
able to kind of just, I guess, delve into it,
even though I did watch the first episode last week.
But I think it kind of helped to have them
back to back for multiple.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Because I watched the first episode right after the final
episode The Walking Dead. Yeah, I just rolled right it.
I went from you know, zombies to vampires.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Did you watch it again or you're just trying to
you just have it from last week when you watched it.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I watched it again, okay, mm hmmm hmm. Well, I
don't know. I don't have anything else. It's kind of
like we're just there.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
We got a whole lot of characters thrown at us
with a lot not a lot of context. So we're
gonna have to just see where all these people land. Uh. Yeah,
they're killing people pretty quickly already. So I mean, honestly,
out the gate two people are dead.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah. So I mean, and you know, really for her
and Ri's book, that's nothing. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm
sure that's a Tuesday. Yeah. Yeah, yes, so.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I guess we'll have to see guys, Lepa's comments and
let us know what you thought of the first two episodes.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Are you going to keep watching? Did were you bored?
Did you love it?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Tell us all the things if you put if you
use spoilers, please, for the love of God.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You spoiler TEGs. Yeah, I don't want you to. You
don't have to say with who you think she is.
Just say you know, because either you know you don't
you know?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
So we're calling and leave us a message if we
can play it. If you're right, Yeah, do that. That's
a good idea. Yeah, I'm going to kind of tell her.
I'm not going to give the plot away, but after
the episode. I'm gonna tell Chavor what I think, Okay, bet.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Honestly, I'm okay with the little spoilers because it may
not happen, so right, it's totally theory at.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
This point, it is. It absolutely is just theory. Mm
hmm th So, okay, I don't have anything else, What
about you? Nope, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Okay. Well, this was a fun quickie. We got to
dive into the first part of this world. We're excited
for more. Be sure you like and follow, subscribe all
the things so you don't miss another episode. You'll be
notified when they go up, and we'll see you in
the next one.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Take care of yourselves. Bye, guys, bybe
Hey everyone, and welcome. We've watched it and now we're
going to talk about it. We're covering AMC's latest entry
to their immortal universe. Tellamasca the secret order. I'm your host, Tamara,
and I'm glad you're here. Joining me is my co host, Lisa. Welcome, Lisa, Hey, Tamrah.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey everyone. My name is Lisa Orban. I am an author.
I'm also the founder of Indies and United Publishing House,
and I love all things pop culture, including and Rice.
Before we dive in, just a few quick things.
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Speaker 2 (00:58):
Lisa osolutely Tamera, this is a conversation, not a dissertation.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Exactly, no scene by scene breakdowns here, we jump around,
and of course, huge spoiler alert for every show in
this world through the episodes we're talking about today. So
if you're cool with that, this is the place for
you and we should just jump right in. So we
watched the first two episodes. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, So I have read all of Ann Rice's books,
and I know you have not, right, so I am
both familiar with this world. But these characters aren't necessarily
from They're from her books, but not if that makes sense,
This is a this is a creation based on her books.
(01:45):
So far, I'm enjoying it because it seems to be
saying pretty true to the idea of what the Titlemasca
is and the characters. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, So as a non reader of these books, Okay,
so obviously we watched the other show set in this
world as well, And to be honest, this is absolutely
no interview with a vampire.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It's not. It is not.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It definitely lends itself to that, you know, espionage type show,
which definitely has a naturally slower pace, and this show
is showing up that way from me, and I'm the
jury's out, even though we're one third the way through
the season already with one well.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Here, I mean, so we had a little bit of
an introduction with the Mayfair wishes about the Talamasca, and
there was mentioned briefly an Interview with a Vampire or
specifically the second season, not so much the first. The
Tallamasca has been around for if you've read the books,
you know that they've been around for a very long time.
(02:59):
They they're not really good guys, but they're not really
bad guys either. They're more about trying to maintain the
balance between the two worlds. So yeah, they're not really
you know, for humans, they're not really good guys because
they know about the witches, the vampires, of were wolves,
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the things, the things that go bumping a night, and
for the most part lead them to their own devices
until or unless they spill over into more human worlds.
So you know, a few humans here and there die
because of a werewolf, for a vampire or whatever. You know,
that's just Chrice of doing business right right. So, and
(03:46):
like I said, the characters, you know, they have Daniel
from Interview with a Vampire come in, So there's a
little bit of continuity between the two shows. And I
will say that they have taken some very liberal liberties
within Rice's world here, So I recognize a lot of it,
(04:07):
but the characters don't always do and act as they're
supposed to. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Well, you know that's the thing with adaptations. I expect
massive changes. And I guess that's kind of a perk
of not having the source material in my head, because
you know, when I do all of those book to
movie or book to TV adaptations on shelf addiction, I'm
always thinking about the source material.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So sometimes I think.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It's hard for me to enjoy it as it is
because that source material is always in my head. So
I think you and I will probably get different experiences
out of this, just because you have the source material
and I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I am going to say if they are doing with
the character Helen what I think they are doing, I'm
going to be very very mad.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Oh, oh, don't say anything.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Don't tell me. I won't because they might change it anyway.
Who knows. They might well, and it would be a
massively retell reassignment of a character. Oh they do, and
if they do that, I'm gonna be pretty mad.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh No, Okay, you mentioned that they had the crossover
with Daniel's character in episode one. I really enjoyed seeing
that that was a great hook to catch the viewers.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
That watched Interview with a Vampire.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But now I'm wondering if we'll see anyone else from
like Mayfield, which is I don't know. I feel like
it's unlikely. I feel like they gave us the hook
and now that's it. We're not gonna see anyone else.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I get the impression they're trying to weave these worlds
in kind of tight with each other. In Anne Rice's world,
you know, she started with Interview with a Vampire in
this particular world, and then you know, she she did
the others, and each one was kind of layered on
top of the other, kind of like a nice sudden
(06:03):
layer cake. And uh so that they're you know, they're
they're they're they're connected, but they don't always intersect, but
they do influence each other. That makes sense, and in
a lot of times, you know, so sometimes it's it's
as obvious as Daniel walking onto the set in Tallamasca.
(06:25):
And sometimes it's just something mentioned, you know, a throwback
to a different show.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Okay, so I guess that means you and I need
to be intensely looking for Easter eggs.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Then oh there, I'm sure they're there. I mean, I
don't know what you want me to see at this point.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I mean that's because honestly, I watched it and it
was fine. I enjoyed it well enough. Both episodes were.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Fine to me.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I know a lot of people complained about the second
episode really slowing down in pace, but it was okay
to me so far.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And again, I mean, it's it's not that I can't
point to anyone thing and say this has made it
awful by this change. The the feel of the stories,
the the gothic creepiness is still there throughout the entire series.
The mystery, the secrets, the the monsters, you know, it's
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it's all. It's it's still true to her books, her vision.
So I'll give her that. I'll give them that. And
they they've introduced characters that didn't exist, and then they've
they've merged characters that you know, had two different purposes
and things like that. So you know, they do what
they do, and it's it's okay. There's just a few
(07:44):
things that I again, if they do to Helen what
I think they're going to do to Helen, I'm going
to be very very mad. That's probably going to be
the first thing that I've really been mad about. So
what do you think.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
About Guy in these first two episodes, because I personally
have complaints about guys character number one. I understand he
is untrained, which is part of my problem. You know,
you watch this.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Kid his whole life.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You throw him in there with a couple a week's
worth of training, of which none of it was about
him learning how to use his own freaking abilities.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yep, just how to communicate with the Tallamaska.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That is dumb as hell, Like he is just walking
around in the dark as he is, you know. In
episode two, he is actually following someone and I'm like,
obviously they know you're back there. Yeah, you're so stuck
on stupid. You're not good at you have no spy
(08:44):
like training, you know. And when he follows the guy
to the restaurant, and of course Jasper is there. Of course,
we just learned in the first episode from Burton that
people that people can tell when you're trying to snoop
around in their heads. He didn't learn how to do it.
So he's like, who's listening?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
A well trained you know, but he's not.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And you guys known this dangerous stuff and he's got
zero training.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, well, not to mention. I mean he's on a
was it colopin, caliapin calia whatever, that the the you know,
antipsychotic and anxiety medicine taking that actually does his abilities.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
That's what I thought. I said, he needs to stop
taking it. He needs to learn how to deal with
the gift he has, right because and I'm sure the
doctors put him on that medication because he heard voices,
so they put him on a pretty powerful drug.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And the fact that they put him on this very
powerful drug that he is taking by the handfuls well
beyond I'm sure recommendations. If he was not taking those,
he probably wouldn't have to so much listen in as
much is eavesdrop, because he has to be very powerful
for his abilities to come through as much as they do,
(10:07):
as heavily medicated as he is. So if he wasn't medicated,
he probably could have just stood there and heard rather
than listened. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, But that also doesn't make sense to me and
the story because if Helen has been watching him this
whole time, and you know the kid has this ability,
why not give him a therapist that can help him
low key is secret. You know what I'm saying. He
didn't have to know the Telemaska did it. They've been
lying the whole time. He could just I don't know.
(10:38):
I feel like it's such a waste. And this character
looks so stupid because of the choices they made for
him and his abilities.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And I know they want o a learning curve, but
we've got six episodes, we're third done. What are they
going to show? What can happen where he instantly is
no longer stupid? Right? Well? And I mean, first off,
the the that girl that came in that met him
at the bar, I'm like, oh, she's a plant. Yeah,
that was obvious. Yes, you're my guy. And and then
(11:10):
they went to the to the uh the nightclub, which,
by the way, I don't know if you noticed or not,
was the same one that the Tallamasca people had been
at when the guy got his wallet boosted is id boosted?
It was the same place. Yeah, and uh and when
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the the the other woman approached the sexy woman and
she laid into him, You're in so much trouble.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, I'm I'm gonna go with she's probably a vampire.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
You think so I wondered. I think her character's name
is Olive. I wondered if she was his handler. Might
be his handler, but I don't know the way. He
hasn't met that person yet.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, but the way that she was acting is more
vampire to me. And just because he that's his handler
doesn't mean that she is in a vampire Yeah, two
things could be true. Absolutely. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Uh, well, that would make sense that it's the same place.
It's probably a small little town there in. I mean,
I don't know if they're in London proper, if they're
like on the outskirts, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I don't know. Yeah, the one girl kept talking about
all the different places around, like the London and so on.
He's like, I have no idea what you're talking about.
He's like, I just got here.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, so I apparently know how to look right before
I cross the street.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, I you know, I am with him on this.
I don't know where we are. We're somewhere London esque,
but I mean just remember, you know, the UK is
small enough that you know, if you get in your
car for six hours, everyone talks funny the cheese tastes
or everyone talks where the cheese tastes funny. So it's
not a big place. No, it's not. It absolutely isn't.
(12:58):
But yeah, the UK is a is a day trip
in the US. Yeah, yeah, it is. It is.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I'm really curious to see what they do with Guy
and if I can find him likable at the very
least and the very least I feel like, oh, you know,
he's having a tough time.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I want to like him.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
At best case scenario, he turns into like this Megasby
that is so good at it. He didn't know he
was as good at it. I would love one of
the two of those. I don't want him to be
a bumbling idiot walking around London in episode six. I
don't want that.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I mean, it's very possible that if it follows the
an Rice arc, he'll end up the vampire at the
end of it.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
He might, but hopefully not season one. He's probably got
a lot to learn, you know. Yeah, I mean, it's
it happens. The stat usually is often involved. We're not
seeing him a season one of this show. He is
the universe's golden boy. Like his actor, he is Chef's kiss.
(14:01):
He's not showing up in this show.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Not yet. I mean, I'm just saying he Listat is
is often responsible for some very.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, and it's funny that because so we were presented
with Lestat from interview with a vampire.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He was very much portrayed as a bad person, and
if you read the books, you find out he really isn't.
Lestat really isn't a bad person. He could be mean,
he can be cruel, he could be very human, which
is a problem because humans aren't always great. But the
(14:44):
story told from an interview of the vampire was seniorly
from uh Louis point of view, and was a point
of view that was from very much from hurt and
and feelings of abandonment and pain. So so yeah, if
they keep the stat true to who he really is
(15:06):
when we see him next, I think you're gonna like
him a lot more because he's my favorite person.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So I am curious to see what they end up
changing about him. But in the first I don't know,
two seasons, he's not a great person. Season two wasn't
from Louise's point of view, so not really, it was
more like we got to see him from Claudia's journal
and other things, right, So it wasn't strictly Louise's broken
(15:34):
hearted point of view. He's not good right now. I'm
sure there's reasons for it. Obviously, he highy was done
dirty as well. We got some indication of that in
the show, right when he turned people.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
He doesn't know what they need, what to do with them. Well,
it's okay, So you gotta remember from the books, all right,
you have to remember that in the books Claudia was.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like six year Yeah, she was like five, I know,
but I have to use the context of the shows that.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Were watching, I know. So when Claudia was absolutely devastated
by the fact that she was turned into a vampire,
but she was also quite animalistic because of her age,
and then as she did mature mentally, the fact that
her body would not ever grow with her became a
(16:22):
She resented the stat for this very much, and part
of that was because the reason he created Claudia was
to try and replace the dead child that Louis had
lost because he had been a husband and a father
and he lost his kids, his wife and daughter in
(16:42):
a fear. So Claudia was a way to try and
give him something that he wanted. It was very bad choice.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Very bad choice, right, But I mean, okay, so yeah,
I knew that because I kind of I guess I
did know the core story of them. Somehow, some way
I knew that story, but maybe from the movie. The
movie had a different treatment the movies from the nineties,
but in this world, the principle is still the same.
(17:13):
He did that for Louis essentially, right. He begged him
and he did it, and Claudia resented it, like the
base is the same. But I kind of trust Claudia's
view of him more than I trust Louie's view of him,
because throughout the season it seemed like, you know, I know,
we're not talking about that show, but it seemed like
(17:35):
she was more reliable as a narrator than Louis was
because Louis was love struck the whole fucking time. He
couldn't you know, he has horrible taste of men. He
can't see shit clear, so I never really want to
trust his point of view one hundred percent. But I
feel like Claudia was an outsider for the most part,
and she could see yeah because she was also she
was mad, yes, but I don't know if that means
(17:55):
she couldn't two things can't be true for her.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I don't know if that means that, and I get that, yeah,
and I suppose they could take Lestat in a very
different direction. But if if they keep him true to
his actual self, Lestat is actually a not terrible person.
He's not particularly cruel, he's I could particularly mean, but
(18:21):
he is very tormented and lonely. So well, we'll see
if he makes a crossover to this world in this
part of the story, right this part of the world, Yeah,
will something bad. But the only reason because because Lestat
did actually have a very for for a period of time, Uh,
Lestat had a very strong and connection with the Tallamasca. Well,
(18:44):
maybe we'll see that in future seasons. I know we're
not getting in now.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's too way too early in the game for us
to get anything like that. But if this show somehow
manages to squeak by and get a second season, maybe,
because right now, honestly, we're on the street is and.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I kind of agree with this assessment.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Right now, as of two episodes, obviously it's no interview
with a vampire that is the Crown and glory that
is the show.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
But it's a little more interesting than mayfair Witches right now.
Sad because the books The Mayfair Witches were really they
were really good, but it was also a lot more
inner monologue.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, I get it. Well, we'll see because there's no
book for this, right, they're just taking them from the
world and applying it to this show. So they're trying
to pull from everywhere kind.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Of right, because I mean the Tallabasca is is throughout
the entire series. They do have mother houses in all
the cities that they listed, and they've even had huh,
they're always watching. Yes, they're always watching, and that is true.
They're always there. They're always watching. They are very old,
very rich order. They do tend to like they like
(19:58):
to live near library and religious institutions. But they're also
very high tech, so they had this low tech high
tech thing going on.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
They do tend to hire a lot of special people
for special tasks, so because you can't it's really hard
to be a normal human and go after the supernatural
scene and they do have it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I think this show would be highly effective if they
gave it the Monster of the Weak treatment like he obviously,
Guy would still have his main underlying story throughout the
whole He's the through line.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
He's the main character. But if he.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Could like find something going on or fix something every week,
his skill set would grow. But they would need a
longer season, I think for that to be truly effective.
But it could be good, I think, because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
For me.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That second season it did slow down notably. But the
second episode, I should say, because the first episode we
got we got Daniel in there, we were hooked. They
hooked us, and of course we're going through all of
this trauma. He's trying to figure out what the hell's
going on. He decides to leave and go to London.
(21:08):
So that was interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Was it fast?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
No, but it was still interesting. In the second episode
was interesting as well. But it is slow now. So
I am concerned what the rest of the season is
going to look like if they're not changing, Like what's
the formula for this show? I can't figure it out
quite yet.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Well, and I don't because, like I said, they they've
pulled a lot of the facts about the Talamasca into
this show, but there are a thousands of stories because
that it could be about. You know, there was some
infighting in the mother houses for a while. There were
some issues in the books, they don't. Sometimes it's just mentioned.
(21:49):
Sometimes it's you know, it takes a little bit, you know,
off center stage in the books. But the Tallamasca, it
really does what they do, really does weave through all
of these different threads in different communities that in Rice
writes about the Tallamasca never had its own series because
(22:11):
it's in every series. Yeah, everywhere.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, it's everywhere. That's their job. They're kind of just
lurking in the dark, always there, right.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And I don't think she ever felt the needed to
have a dedicated series to this because they were always
there and in a way it was more effective and
just we're always here, we're always watching. So as we're
reading the books, we're watching the watchers, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, So actually, I think ultimately can really show us
if the writers and producers of this show can pull
this off because they don't have like a literal page
per page source material in the same way that they
had the other two shows. So it's different. They're gonna
have to do a little more legwork, a little more effort.
(22:59):
They're gonna have it together. And and these are all.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Make it boring well, And these are all characters that again,
they are from the n Rice universe, but these are
wholly made up new characters to go in that are
being slit into this into these roles. So you know,
I'm looking at these people going, I don't know who
you are.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
But isn't that kind of exciting for you? Like because
you know that they're kind of trying to make something new?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
But I do kind of worry a little bit because
of what they did to Daniel. Are they going to
do something similar with Helen? Is she going to end
up being this character that I'm afraid that she's going
to be? Okay, for all of you out there who
are who have read the whole series, do you do
(23:49):
you think? But I'm thinking who Helen is? But the
pictures of the.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Twins comment and but trying to keep a spoiler free
are you spoiler tags please so you don't spoil it
for other people? But yeah, let Lisa know if you
think something bad is going to happen to that character,
or just say.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, I have a suspicion that Helen is more
than what she appears to be.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm sure she's going to be
more than she appears. She could be she's so old
a quote unquote, Yeah, she seems like she's been around
for she seemed like she was old when Daniel was
he child. But whatever, Okay, but we'll see I don't know.
I'm sure they're going to do something you won't like
with that character. But how we might not even see
(24:36):
her again for several episodes.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, well, and it was actually pretty cruel of her
when he says, one, while I see you again, you
probably won't. What do you mean, I'm not going to
see you again? You know?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Ever, look she said, I'm here to recruit you. I'm
not your mentor. So recruitment done next, moving on now,
Actually that was a pretty good recruitment tool she used
in episode one, She's like, hey, I know this guy
don't have no damn money.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I got five grand. You wouldn't come listen to my pitch.
I'll pay you. I could have. I mean, it could
have just as easily been fifty, you know fifty, I
mean again, very old, very rich. They don't you know,
if they just have to fill out the petty cash reports.
I'm sure it sounds like they have long money, very
long money. It seems like that. But a little five
(25:28):
grand for him was a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
He couldn't even pay his rent, so of course he
was going to show up for five grand.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, and she knew it. Yeah obviously. And then of
course the.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Whole line where no one believes that these things are
really to you meet it until you see them, which
is true if I don't believe vampires are real, But
if I met one, that opinion would change it?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Would I mean absolutely? I kind of like to be
a lava parent. Wouldn't ever have to cook again? Yeah? Okay, anyway, sorry,
no food, but I.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Thought you know that again, like those things that happened
in that first episode were very effective in pulling me in.
I was like, all in, I still am all in.
I think it's going to be a fine ride if
nothing else, but I have adjusted my expectations based on
the second episode.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
So what you have, Like, did you.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Have anything specific you wanted to talk about, like it
you know in either episode that flat like kind of
flagged you to speak on or I.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Mean, okay, so we know that the curly blonde girl,
she's got the book that everyone's looking for, and the
guy that was murdered, try to tell guy to take
the backpack that had the book that everyone's looking for,
but he just ran away. He's a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
He looked at the book and he knew something was
interesting about that book. He looked at it several times
at the bar. Why wouldn't you take it?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You know?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
And so, I mean, there's that They have a lot
of threads going on right now, but I don't. But again,
I'm gonna reserve judgment because I do know some of
my perceptions are are shaded because I have read the books.
But since this is wholly new, I don't I don't
know if they're going to try and weave into an
(27:25):
existing storyline at this point, or if they're just gonna
go completely off book, literally off book.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I don't know, so, and they could go either way.
So is item is the item one seven five to two?
Is that familiar to you? Is that in the world
or is this new new new? Okay hmm, So yeah,
I think they're just gonna go completely different because obviously
it seems like this secret item is what they're looking
(27:53):
for now.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It is possible. It is possible. I can think of
one other thing it could be, But honestly, it would
probably only matter if Helen is who I think she
might be, so it would matter very much to her
because I feel like either one thing could be going on.
Either Helen is good and like she said, the London
(28:16):
branch has gone rogue, or she's really the villain and
the London Branch has gone road because they're trying to
be good and protect it from her. So I no,
I don't think Helen's a bad guy. I don't Okay,
I don't think she's good. Okay, don't get me wrong.
I think she's Tallamasca.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well I mean, guy said she's both right, yeah, so,
and I literally think she And that's just that's the
whole thing with the Talamasca.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
They live in this morally gray area. They really are
morally gray. But I am gonna go with yes, I
think that the London house has mother house has gone rogue. See.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
The thing is this, though, and I think this applies
to pretty much any story.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
You know, the villain.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
In the villain's mind, they're the hero always. They're never
doing anything for the wrong reasons. They're the hero in
their story. That's right, everyone's saying their own narrative. Yeah,
So I think anything could happen with Helen and she
she could that.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Be what you think in a different way. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
We'll have to see what they do, but I kind
of like that it's different, and it's gonna have to
keep the readers on their toes because they could deviate
it any moment.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, we'll see. I do.
I mean they did they sprinkle a lot of bread
crumbs in the first and second episode. M m, but
I don't think. I really kind of want to reserve
judgment until the third episode.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I guess that's fair. The third episode will definitely tell
me if the second episode was a fluke or if
it's gonna be that's the pace for the rest of
the season, because, like you know, it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Kept my attention.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
But boy, and I don't watch a whole lot of
traditional spy thrillers, especially British spy thrillers, because they're always
a little slow to me. So I'm really curious to
see if this is really gonna be similar to those,
or if they're gonna shake it up a little bit
and do Monster of the Week or something, I don't know,
(30:23):
make it unique.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Some only four more episodes, which is crazy. That's such
a short.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Season, you don't really have a lot of time to
be wasting episodes or wasting half of episodes.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And here here's the thing, kind of like with an
interview with the vampires, the first season didn't really end
with any resolution. Mm hmm. I'm wondering if that's what
they're plenty on doing with this believe it like a
cliffhanger open that would mean okay, So I could see
them kind of splitting the difference, Like if they don't
know they're gonna get another season, they could probably.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Tie up some of the story, but a cliffhanger that
could be left there and we can draw our own
conclusions or they can continue. That would be the smart
thing I was with the difference and try to do
something that could be left or could continue.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah. Well, and it's even because again because the Telemasca
really is woven in all the way around, in all
throughout all of Annriis's books. Even if if they left
it on a complete cliffhanger, you are going, what and
they don't get picked up, that's okay, because they could
weave in that resolution spread out throughout the rest of
(31:33):
the series. Maybe they could, they could, I don't know.
I get again.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I guess it will depend on if the writers of
this universe.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Talk to each other. Are we dealing with what I'm saying?
Deck of Cards, I am going to say, the feel,
the language, so on and so forth have adhered to
themselves very closely so far between the telemask An interview
with a vampire in the Mayfair Witches. So I'm gonna
(32:05):
go with yes, I do. I think that there's at
least some coordination. I hope. So, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I guess I'm just gonna ride this out and see
how it goes. But I think I was glad they
released two episodes at once. It was good to be
able to kind of just, I guess, delve into it,
even though I did watch the first episode last week.
But I think it kind of helped to have them
back to back for multiple.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Because I watched the first episode right after the final
episode The Walking Dead. Yeah, I just rolled right it.
I went from you know, zombies to vampires.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Did you watch it again or you're just trying to
you just have it from last week when you watched it.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I watched it again, okay, mm hmmm hmm. Well, I
don't know. I don't have anything else. It's kind of
like we're just there.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
We got a whole lot of characters thrown at us
with a lot not a lot of context. So we're
gonna have to just see where all these people land. Uh. Yeah,
they're killing people pretty quickly already. So I mean, honestly,
out the gate two people are dead.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah. So I mean, and you know, really for her
and Ri's book, that's nothing. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm
sure that's a Tuesday. Yeah. Yeah, yes, so.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I guess we'll have to see guys, Lepa's comments and
let us know what you thought of the first two episodes.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Are you going to keep watching? Did were you bored?
Did you love it?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Tell us all the things if you put if you
use spoilers, please, for the love of God.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You spoiler TEGs. Yeah, I don't want you to. You
don't have to say with who you think she is.
Just say you know, because either you know you don't
you know?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
So we're calling and leave us a message if we
can play it. If you're right, Yeah, do that. That's
a good idea. Yeah, I'm going to kind of tell her.
I'm not going to give the plot away, but after
the episode. I'm gonna tell Chavor what I think, Okay, bet.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Honestly, I'm okay with the little spoilers because it may
not happen, so right, it's totally theory at.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
This point, it is. It absolutely is just theory. Mm
hmm th So, okay, I don't have anything else, What
about you? Nope, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Okay. Well, this was a fun quickie. We got to
dive into the first part of this world. We're excited
for more. Be sure you like and follow, subscribe all
the things so you don't miss another episode. You'll be
notified when they go up, and we'll see you in
the next one.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Take care of yourselves. Bye, guys, bybe
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