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Speaker 1 (00:31):
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(01:42):
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we are laid back in our review style, right, Lisa.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Absolutely, Tamra, this is a conversation, not a dissertation.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yes, no scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around
a lot, and of course, Hugh huge spoiler alert. We
didn't play the video games, so don't worry. We will
not be giving spoilers there. So if you're cool with
that is the place for you and we should just
jump to it. Episode three ooh, yes, ooh, this was
a very different one.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
I know, I really liked it me too, although I
will say about halfway through this episode, I'm like, if Jewel,
if Joel knew this place existed, why is he living
in the stupid city because.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
He needed to trade he wants to make some money
or tickets or whatever they call him.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I well, I mean because apparently he had this whole
rudder network. He could have stayed with Joel and had
someone else do the thing.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
He could have and they would have happily. Had them
live in one of those houses.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I know him test, they could have had a really
much better life.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I'm just saying. I mean there's a few things, you know,
the wire that the pills. Okay, fine, but with Joel's connections,
he could have, you know, brought things to the city
and the city could have given them things.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Back, right, you know, because Bill and Frank really did live,
generally speaking, a good life. They had like one little
hiccup when you know, the raiders came, which yeah, they
were waiting on him basically, but outside of that, they
really lived how they wanted to live. Yeah, they won.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
They had this little paradise. I mean they had enough food,
you know, they they they you know, you know, they
had the whole town to you know, apparently had an
excellently stocked wine cellar. But I guess if it's only
two people and you're not alcoholics, it could last a while.
Oh yeah, and I mean it had you know, I mean,

(03:42):
god knows, he had a lot of guns and.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well, you know, he was a prepper type guy, so.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, yeah, survivalist. He was a survivalist. But yeah, I
really I really liked how they so they you know,
at the beginning, you know, they had Joel and Ellie
and you know, so we kind of get a little
bit more about you know, how things started and confirmation

(04:10):
flower and uh, you know how sugar and sugar. Yeah,
but I'm going to go with flour because it was
a it was a flower plant that they showed the
the first outbreaks. But but he also explained he's, you know,
with with global distribution and you know how quickly things

(04:30):
could go and you know, on Friday it hitten. By
Monday it was the end of civilization.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, because I mean people like he described, He's like, well,
people are getting buying it in the stores at this time,
and before you know it, they're eating some up barknas,
they're eating some at dinner. Yeah, and here you go.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Well, and and probably the reason it cities first is
because on a distribute distribution points, they'll go to the
major cities first and then it gets dispersed out from
there to the smaller ones. So that's probably why the
bigger cities were experiencing more of it than the smaller ones.

(05:08):
And Joel didn't say that you know, you had to
eat you know, not to consider, but you had to
eat a sustained amount, which is why Grandma you know,
lost it first because they've been feeding their biscuits all day.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
But you know that is what almost everyone eats, unless
you're like you have siliac disease. Right, Yeah, Vegans aren't
eating bread. Vegetarians are eating bread. Meat eaters are eating bread.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
People on the Atkins diet, though, aren't eating aren't eating bread.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
They aren't. So maybe the people that are no carb
in it, they escaped because they don't eat carbs. But
if they eat some sugar, they might still get it anyway, right,
So sugar, so they shouldn't be eating it if they're
on Atkins.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
M h. And so then we kind of so we
had that kind of moment and then he's like, I
don't know, I don't want you to see this. Oh no, fine,
you know she drives on ahead, and uh, well she's
she's she's not really a cautious soul, is she.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
No, it's a typical preteen, right, like I do what
I want, man.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
That's right. And uh, but then she just stops when
she sees all of those bodies. Yeah, you know, and
they weren't infected. No, there just wasn't room. Why do
they kill them because the dead can't become infected infected?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, I mean that's brutal.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
That's it's brutal.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
So because you've got I mean, it makes us really cold,
calculated sense. If there's no room for him, kill him
so they don't become part of the problem. But at
the same time, I mean, that is some god that
is awful math.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
It is. But you know what though, it's like I
almost not to say it's okay what they did, because
it isn't. But I feel like when they're desperate and
like they didn't have a vaccine, right, they didn't know
how to stop it, right, so they're like, okay, well what.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I mean you know, I mean, and they were bombing cities,
so I mean it's this was more of a retail killing,
as I'm opposed to bombing wholesale.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
But but I mean it's because we see the the
woman holding the infant.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Oh that was crazy. I'm like, oh, no, that baby
is in there with her somewhere.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, you know, because we saw the scrap of her clothing.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Kind of flapping in the wind, and then we see
her with the you know what what looks like essentially
a newborn.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, infant, like infant infant.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, it was you know, it's all bundled up in
a blanket and it was small, and uh, you know,
they're just being led off to their deaths.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
And I was kind of curious at first if what
the whole I wasn't sure where they were going with.
I'm like, is Joel going to come to their you know,
try to come to the rescue or nope? Nope. He
was like, nah, screw you all. I'm happy now you're
all going to die, and he was great.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
It comes out later, you know, Joel hates people, he
hates everyone, and he was like, fine, everyone died. Great,
and then he meets Frank, which, by the way, I
have to say that meeting of them was like quintessential
meet cute for like a romance story.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
You know, down the hole I'm a bad liar, you.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Know, a post apocalyptic romance like that is them one hundred.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Oh yeah, And I mean it was just it was
this really sweet story. I mean it was and again,
as brutal as things are in the city, you know,
everything so far, what we've seen, everything from the what
do you call the the FEDS. I mean, it's it

(09:02):
is harsh, and it is brutal, and it is bleak,
and it is awful. And here's Frank.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
And and Bill just they've got the garden, they've got
their boutique and their wine, you know, and their chickens
and their rabbits.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
And good life.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
They're living this really good and they're not. They're not
that far what fifteen miles from Boston?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Apparently he said it would take like what four or
five hours to walk? Is that what he told.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Ellie something like that. I think he said it was
five about five miles four or five miles and how
long will that take? About five hours? So, you know,
but fifteen twenty miles from from the city and here,
and the fact that the Feds never once tried to
come to his place is honestly, in some ways astounding

(09:53):
to me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I think they probably you know, like for example, when
they cleared that place, they thought they cleared it, right, Yeah,
And he's not putting up any smoke signals, right, He's
using gas. True, So unless they're tracking who's using gas,
they probably think that place is barren. They xed out
the doors. They thought they cleared it.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, and you know, but you and from what I
can see, they don't really travel much outside of the cities,
so you know, once they cleared the place, they just
locked everything down with no nothing exists outside these walls.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah. And you know, if you are out there, you're
trying to leave the city or come into the city.
So that that means they're around the city perimeter, right,
that's where they're supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well. And Frank came from another supposedly safe zone and
that had collapsed.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, Baltimore, he said. So he came from Baltimore and
he was trying to go to Boston and all the people,
the other nine people he was with, eight or nine people,
they all died in this little track, and he's the
lone survivor and he ends up. What are the chances
you fall into a ditch and you meet the love

(11:09):
of your life.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know, there's something to be said about sometimes love
comes out from this great romance, but from familiarity and loneliness.
And I don't think Bill, I don't think Billy. Bill
realized at first that he was lonely because I don't
really think he felt that. You know, he had a

(11:33):
pretty good life again, you know, eating his rabbit, you know,
shooting guns, and he's got everything he needs.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
And like introvert, he could go a long time being
alone and be just fine.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
But when Frank started playing his favorite song, I think,
you know, there was this whole moment of I am
so alone and this is someone that kind of understands me,
likes the same song. It was this basis for you know,
maybe more.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Like honestly, I could tell the look on Frank's face
when Bill started singing the song. He's face, his whole
demeanor changed. He was looking at him differently, like wait
a minute, hmm. And that's what prompted him to say,
who is what girl is that song about?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
He just wanted to check, Yeah, make sure, you know,
didn't want to you know, this is not the this
is not the time to get brutally rejected.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, yeah, that's not about a girl, Like yeah, I
knew that, you know, I kind of knew so. And
then they have their thing, which is fun for them.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
And and of course there's also the fact that you know,
even though Bill's a survivalist and he doesn't like people.
We know this, but at the same time, I mean
there is a loneliness. You know, even the most independent
people can occasionally go, you know, kind of nice to
talk to someone about a good thing or a bad thing,

(13:04):
or you know, someone having their back. So I think,
you know, in different circumstances, would they have had this
great love that they just met randomly? I probably not.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, it was circumstances, honestly, but it.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Was really beautiful, you know. I mean they had their moments.
You could tell that they were very different people because
Frank liked people.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
He was a Frank is an extrovert that likes to
be around people, have friends, be at.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
The party things, have parties. You know. I could see
Frank in his younger days maybe a drag queen. I'm
not kidd you know. I mean he was just that flamboyant, happy, gregarious,
outgoing person and and it hurt him not to be
with other people. But at the same time, he wasn't,

(13:56):
you know, outside. Once they kind of met Joel and Tess,
it's like that that need, that itch was met and
that was it. Okay, I have these two other people
just in case.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, we can have parties on our lawn and wine
and trade and you know, chit chat. It's great. That's
all he needs.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
And and Bill of course at first hated it. I
like you, I'll trust you. But when but when Bill
got hurt, when he got shot, you know, he's like,
called Joel, Joel'll take care of you, you know. So
you could see that as the years have gone by,
it wasn't necessarily that he liked Joel, but he had

(14:35):
grudgingly come to trust him. Yeah, and he knew Frank
couldn't make it on his own. He knew it. Frank,
Frank wasn't him right, And and that was before the
degenerative disease, you know, really hit and so so yeah,
I thought, you know that it was just the you know,

(14:56):
this really sweet story. And then we of course we
see Frank in the wheelchair. But at first.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
You're the irony of that is because you know, in
that in that time, you know, in that time, Bill goes, oh,
I'm so sorry, I'm getting older faster than you. You know,
he talks about that. Yeah, and then that happens, and
then you you flip the screen another decade and look
who's in the wheelchair. It's not Bill, and you can't

(15:23):
You're right, you couldn't tell at first who was in
the wheelchair.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
And you're like, oh, man, was he hurt worse than
you know, something happened and then and then you realize
it's Frank. Yeah, And while they never say anything, it's
my guess is it was probably like something like als.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, something that's not like really curable.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, because he even made it, and I think Frank
knows what it was he had.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
There's even a good chance that he knew what he
had before the downfall, because you know, genetic testing and stuff,
so he might have been aware that he was sick
and or carried this this gene so.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Good could could happen right, right?

Speaker 2 (16:06):
And so you know, because he made the comment, you know,
even if a doctor came our way, there was no
cure for this before m hm. So I think he
was aware. I think I think he's been kind of
living with this genetic time bomb, wondering if he was
going to go off or not. And then it did.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
It did, and you know, Bill took care of him,
and he didn't like he was happy to do it, right,
He didn't. He wasn't mean or anything about it. He
just no was actually mad at him when he didn't
do the things, you know, like what he's been half like, look,
I cannot say more times. I guess I can't say
enough how these dudes sleep so heavy? They are in

(16:49):
deep koma sleeps, because like at one point, you know,
Bill's out shooting up the place, and then you know,
Frank wakes up and he's like, oh it's going on.
I'm like, dude, you didn't have that. And then with
Frank it's like spend in half the night getting his
butt into the wheelchair. How did Bill not wake up?
How did you not hear that?

Speaker 2 (17:08):
I don't know, because honestly, a mouse farts in my
room and I'm gonna wake up. I'm not gonna lie.
I have a very light sleeper, and you would think
that a heavy being a heavy sleeper in the apocalypse
is probably not a good.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Thing, right, I'm like, how does that work?

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Then again, I mean, if it's just the two of them,
and they have.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Been honestly for a decade after the Raiders, yeah, yeah,
and they were alone.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know, I mean, because you know, Bill's been there
almost ten or so years before Frank showed up.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
And you know, they have had a very comparatively compared
to everyone else we've met, this very peaceful existence, right honestly,
probably more peaceful than if they had stayed a part
of civilization. I mean, if the apocalypse hadn't happened, I
don't think they would have had as peaceful of a
life as they did. Because it was a really good

(18:06):
life from everything I could see. Yeah, definitely, you know,
I mean it it covered, you know, I mean they
had music and good food and wine and art, and.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
They were listening to the same damn song on repeat.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh they liked the song I don't know, Oh.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
My god, like that and playing the song on the piano.
The song is on the tape deck. Yeah, give me
other kind of.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
And you know so I mean, but it's even if
they really had this very idellic kind of life, you know,
with a few blemishes here and there, I'm like, Man,
if we could all be so.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Lucky, especially in the apocalypse, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, absolutely, I would take it. I mean, if if
that was gonna be my apocalypse, I'd be all for it.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
You know, they had strawberries.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Even Oh, the scene was adorable.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
I'm like, oh my god. He like he's almost crying.
He's so happy to have that strawberry.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I know, I traded a gun for it, a gun,
a really small one.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, he's like, what's done.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
He's like, I was dying on Alick.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Well, obviously it wasn't his favorite. He didn't notice it
was gone exactly.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
And you know, so then you know, they they had
the you know, I don't know, it was just this
very I don't I'd loved this. So you and I
have watched a lot of zombie movies, and I have
watched a lot of post apocalyptic things. In this interlude,
you know that they had between Bill and Frank. I

(19:43):
just I absolutely between sandwiched in there between all the
horror and then and the stress and the trauma and
then the terrible life, and there's these two guys having
this beautiful life together, and it was just I loved it.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
We needed it. It was like a like a gust
of fresh air. You know. It was like this pocket
of happiness.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, this brief interlude of joy.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, and they they lived how they want it and
they died how they want it. So yeah, in the end,
they won I feel like they won, and I feel
like the show runners even said that.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well, I mean, you know, because when Frank's talking to you, you know,
this is the kind of day I want, He's like,
you know, I'm not gonna say that every day has
been a blessing. It hasn't, you know, or that you know,
everything has been perfect between the two of us. It hasn't.
But I've had more good days than bad. And that
was thought.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
When it comes down to it, that's all you can
hope for, right.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Right, you know, And and he you know, and he's
we've had a good life. We've had a much better
life than we had any right to expect with everything
going on, and you know, going out on their own terms.
I very much get it because, I mean, especially from
maybe Frank's point of view, if if anything were to
happen to build because they're again both getting over what

(21:02):
if Bill had a heart attack and died, I mean,
Frank would be I mean, that would be a horrible eve.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Was he waiting for someone to come, for Joel to come.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Back, for someone to kill him or.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
He or he would die before Joel came back.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, and you know, most likely of starvation in a
terrible state, depending on how far he had descended into
his you know.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
I mean at this point he can't walk.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, and his and his hands are all shaky, and
you know, I don't even know he would have the
muscle strength to pull the trigger on a gun with
any acturacy.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
To kill himself, Like at one scene he was looking
out of a damn cup with a straw. Yeah, So
he wouldn't be able to pull a trigger, especially if
it was like a whole older gun or heavier game.
He couldn't do it. And honestly, the apocalypse is no
time where you want to have any kind of like

(21:59):
just you know, mouth just like that, Like you can't
walk or run, you can't pick anything up and defend yourself.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
And there's no there's no hospitals, there's no doctors, there's
no treatment, there's no cure. So you know, I mean,
I get it. You know, if you're gonna go, why
not go if you know that this is inevitable? And
and if it was als, you know, I mean that
is a or if it was something like what my
my dad had, which is a cousin too, it's a

(22:27):
horrible mushlar degenerative disease. It just robs you or keeping
your mind intact, and it's terrible. Yeah. And so I, yeah,
I get Frank's wanting to leave on his own terms.
You know, before he was reduced to you know, nothing

(22:49):
where he couldn't talk or eat or anything.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah. And I feel like Bill Frank knows him. He
knows him because when he served up that wine and
of course he mixed in the drugs for him, and
then he turns, he drinks it, and then Bill downs
his and that moment he's looking at him strangely like

(23:15):
he must not normally down his wine like that.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I don't know, because he's always sipped it in savor.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yes, So he's looking at him like there was there
were pills in the bottle, weren't there? You know, he knows,
And he's like, yep, you know, I'm like, dang, he
won out. But I understand. You know, he expressed himself
very clearly in that letter. He said, you know, I

(23:41):
lived for him. You know, my job was to take
care of him. And if he's gone, then what right?

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Right? And I think Bill at that point he's like,
you know, why why struggle? Why continue to I mean,
he's had a good life, and he had a good
life because Frank was in it. Yeah, and you know,
I mean could he go on? Yeah, I mean Bill
was more of the recluse. He probably could, But what
joy would there be in it? What's the point? What's

(24:10):
the purpose to go back to just being completely alone again?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Right?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
And I don't think he was. I don't think he
was prepared to do that. He was prepared to be
there for his you know, to help Frank and be
there for Frank for as long as Frank was there.
But he wasn't prepared to be alone.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
And I don't blame him, honestly, I feel like that sucks.
And to be quite Frank, like, I feel no pun intended.
The two of them looked all this fuck in twenty years.
I'm like, okay, So even if they started out at forty,

(24:53):
let's say the world went to hell in a hand
basket when they were in there early to mid forties
because they didn't look that old. Like I'm gonna pull
up a picture, so this was maybe seven years in
or something. I'm trying to see if I have one
that from when back Originally no, I don't, but at

(25:13):
the end there man may have aged horribly, and I
know they had a rougher life, right, they had to
do things annually. I mean, my god, they can't be
more than sixty years old.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, you know, but I mean this is the apocalypse
that you know. There are no doctors. You know, if
you get sick, you're suffering through it. If you get hurt,
you're suffering through it. I mean they do have power
to a certain extent, but still most everything is done,
you know, manually, even though I mean, I just need

(25:47):
some gas for the lawnmower, but there's still it's still
a push lawnmower. There's a lot of physical, you know,
intensity that goes into them having this good life.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I get it. But Mike, it was jarring for me
to see how much they had aged in that last
ten year time gap. I'm like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
That's so you can think about it, if you if
you think back to how Joel looked, you know, in
the first episode, how he looks now Christ he looks
you know, old.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, they all look old. But yeah, I feel like
Joelden age as badly as these two.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
I'll tell you what. The tests so you see that,
you know what, at the dinner party with Test Test aged.
She looks so much older, you know, when you know,
on her last trip before she died, even before she
was you know, bit she just she had looked like
she'd aged between that dinner party and when she when

(26:50):
she died two.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Years So that dinner party, I think it was four
years into them being together or something. So definitely that
was like thirteen more years for her, probably thirteen to
fifteen more years or something like that.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
So definitely, yeah, she because I mean she looked hardened
and aged by the time you know, we see her
at the beginning in that first episode compared to how
she was at this dinner party, so I mean that
was a big, you know, appearance change. So yeah, this

(27:28):
is you know, these guys have aged, but I'm pretty
sure the people on the inside the cities are aging faster.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
You know. It reminds me of this this quote. I
can't I won't be able to quote it verbatim, but
in this book I've read, it's you know, these people
lived a really hard life, and it basically said they
like lived hard and died young, you know, because they
were worked so hard to death. You know.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, Well, and there's also something to be said about
you know, like the stress hormone is all you can't
stay in a forever state of fight or flight, and
if you do, I mean, it does terrible things to
your system. It ages you up. Yeah, you know, so
for like every month that you spend like that, you know,

(28:18):
it's like adding like two or two or more months
to your actual you know, physiological age. M So, these
people have been under a profound amount of stress and
twenty years, for twenty years, and it's not like this
place and it's not like these safe zones are making

(28:38):
it any better. I mean it's they're not given any
comforts there. These are these are hard places with you know,
totalitarium places that you are terrible. There is no joy
in you know, in this place.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, which does I feel like more sad to me?
I'm like, even though it's a really sentimental type story
and I feel like I felt all the feels the
you know, writers and showrunners wanted me to feel, but
I still felt extremely sad for them. I'm like, oh
my god, like look at this, like this is the

(29:17):
fucking worst. And I actually I'm like, man, I don't
want to be that kind of old. I mean, it's
not bad.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I gotta do you have me to tell you what
my favorite scene was though, when the two of them
in there in the street, they're yelling, they're arguing, okay
about having dinner guests, and Bill's like, or Frank yells
at Bill. You know, you thinking that the entire go
is a fascist organization. Well have you seen it? It is?

Speaker 5 (29:45):
Well yeah, now now it is before Yeah, just that
pause when Freak goes, well yet now I'm conceited, but
you know, I still want to make my point.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
And I was dying.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I mean, poor Frank, he just wanted to paint the stuff,
make it look nice, have some guests, you know, and
Bill was acting like he was asking him to like
give up a lung or something.

Speaker 6 (30:15):
Oh yeah, yeah, I just I thought that was you know,
and you can see that they had bickered before and
they didn't have a what would be a perfect relationship,
but they had a relationship that was perfect for them.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
You know. And also I'd like to think, yes, it
was perfect for them. But you know we said in
it before with other you know shows that we watched,
you know, slim pickens out here, right, Like if you
find something and you think it could work. You know,
you're going to try to make it work, because it's
not like you can go on a dating app and.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Just find somebody else.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, there's no worse swiping right here, you know. And yeah,
I mean it's you know sometimes you know, was it, uh,
adventure brings strange bedfellows? Is that it? Or stress brings?
I don't know, strange bedfellows, but yeah, and you can
see that that's exactly this was a strange bedfellows kind

(31:16):
of thing. Because again, under normal you know times, I
don't think Franker or Bill would have ever gave gave
each other a passing lance.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
So let me just say, and I know this might
be a opposite opinion that a lot of people, because
I know a lot of people really love this episode.
I did too, But I have to say that scene
where they first were together, this time first they time
they slew up together, that scene has so much cringe
for me. It had a lot of cringe. I'm like,

(31:49):
oh my god, Jesus, this looks uncomfortable. It just didn't.
I don't know, I didn't believe it. In that scene,
I'm like, Jesus, they look like they're having a hard
time here.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Well, I think part of that was intentional because you know,
Bill admits he had never been there was a girl
once long time ago. Yeah, and you know, so you
know they're both essentially strangers to each other. This is
a weird situation.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
No, But like I think about shows, and I think
maybe it was also their age, you know, because I
also think of shows where I've seen where you have
younger people exploring their sexuality. Right, they haven't done anything,
but when they do do something like, it's not cringe.
I don't know. I just felt a high level of

(32:38):
cringe in that scene. And when my husband was watching it,
like I watched it early this morning, and then he
watched it later, and then I went and watched it
with him. But that scene came up and he's like,
oh my god. He's like, can we just fast? Come on,
you guys, how much longer do I have to watch this?

(33:01):
He was uncomfortable, and not because it was gay, but
because they were cringe.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I get that, I mean, because I mean and I
felt that too, but I kind of I mean, I
I think part of that was artistic choice, because they
wanted it to feel a little unco you know, because
these two characters again, were supposed to be feeling uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
You know, this is Frank's like, dude, go take a shower.
I don't blame him. I'm not getting up in there shower.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I feel that. I felt that. I started laughing when
he said that.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
I'm like, Okay, I don't blame him. I'm like, yeah,
I would be saying the same thing to be real
honest about it, like no.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, yeah, we're we're not recreating that alpha moment.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
No, no, hell no. Oh that was also cringe. That
was also high cringe factor.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oh yeah, hey, I will point out that I don't
believe either one of them was wearing socks. Oh god,
So you know that's that's good.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
You know. Well they went in mud, so I mean, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
But I really did, you know, And then you know,
so they passed away they wanted to. I'm going to
assume he locked their bedroom door because Joel couldn't get
into it.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, and you could see.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
That Joel was immediately on alert.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
When he knew something was wrong.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Oh yeah, because the lawn wasn't taken care of, you know,
it has been I'm gonna I'm not gonna say a long,
long time but it's at least been several months.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Okay, because that's why I was trying to figure out
the timing, because obviously they were playing the eighties songs
on the radio, right, because you know, Joel went downstairs
in the bunker and turned it out right, it was
so he out there. It was eighties and the eighties
music is what they heard in the first episode exactly.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
And they haven't been on the road that long.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Maybe in my mind, I'm thinking a couple of weeks maybe, yeah,
two weeks maybe, you know, it.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Was long enough. I mean, the food was still kind
of there, but it was moldy.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
It was moldy, and there was dust. There was dust. Yeah,
I'm like, so, how long does it take for dust
to accumulate on a table like it did?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Eh, kind of depends on how dusty it is outside.
I suppose I was kind of looking at the grass
and stuff that's you know, maybe maybe a month. And
and Joel did say that he had this large playlist
and it was set to read and he had to

(35:45):
manually reset it. What do he say, every couple of
weeks or something like that, or it would flip over
to the eighties. So I'm gonna say that they had
probably been, like you said, a couple of weeks, maybe
a month.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
On his plants can die fast in the summer, like
if it's a hot, dry summer. A couple of weeks
and the stuff's looking dead.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
And Joel's like, okay, stay behind me. But since the
gate was still up, you know, I mean, I think
that kind of you know, I don't think anyone's attacked
because the gate's still intact, and you know, so on
and so forth. But and then you know, Test finds
the or not tests, but Ellie finds the letter.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Oh man, that letter, I know, ye.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Know, it's kind of happy at first when everyone was dead,
but then there was this one person I liked, Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
I have to take care of that one person, like
that was my job. And that's what people like us do, right,
you have to you know, of course, he brings up tests,
and it's like, oh my.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
God, because I'm sure he assumed that if Joe was there,
Test was with him. You know, Joel's with tests, and he.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Was okay at the very least, right because he didn't
know she died.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
That that just happened exactly, and you know, and I
thought it was very considered of him that you know,
I've left the windows open so you know, we don't
stink up the house.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, very considerate, and.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
You know, but please don't disturb us. That's you know,
just let us be.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Don't go in there. I'd be like, thank you for
the warning. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, And I gotta tell you again. I mean, I
understand Joel is trying to get to his brother and
he wants to you know, get tests or Ellie to
where she needs to be. But in an apocalypse, I
would be very hard pressed to give that place up.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm like I would have at least
stayed a night like regroup. But you know, I guess
he just wanted to be going out of there. Maybe
he was feeling sad or mad and he just needed
to go. Yeah, because he is bad about showing his feelings,
I feel like, yeah, And I.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Mean they did load up the truck with supplies.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
They did do that.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
So I would like to point out I have not
seen a single deer, coyote, stray dog, cat, any other
wildlife that wasn't in Jewel's compound or that wasn't in
Bill's compound.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
She did bring up. Ellie did say about the amount
of bugs she was surprised by.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Well, yeah, but they're not really bothering bugs and birds
can fly away. Yeah, so I think pretty much at
this point, you know, as far as mammals go, we're
mammals are almost extinct except for probably maybe in the ocean.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah. Well we know that, you know, like you said
in the compound, because we know that Frank and Bill
were eating meat.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Right, but it was like rabbit and chicken.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
M h.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
And it was even point. I mean, at the very
beginning there was a deer. Yeah, but by the time
Frank got there, there was a comment about, oh, how
did you know to pair this particular wine with rabbit? Yeah,
but yeah, so I'm gonna say that. And in the
it's whenever they've talked of, you know, after that one deer,

(39:22):
it's it's been pretty much either rabbit or or or chickens.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Oh my gosh, Can I just say how hilarious The
Arby's comment was like arties didn't giveaway free food. It's
a yeah, like what.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
If Frank's just looking at them like or Bills just
looking at him like okay, Yeah, that all right? Final
you want to come in and get somebody.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I'll give you something to eat, and then also the
luck you fall in with someone who is an excellent cook.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Oh, I know, God, I would hope that if there's
an apocalypse, I could find someone that cooks as good
as him.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
I'll I can cook as good as him. You, Bir
saved me a spot in the bunker.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Okay, I'll do that because I might. I might save
myself from the apocalypse and then slowly starve to death
because I refuse to feed myself.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Oh my gosh, I'm a very good cook. I have
to say.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I had oranges and onion rings for dinner tonight.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Girl. No, seriously, Well, sometimes you know, those odd things
can go really good together when you're really hungry.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
So I loved over onion rings and I had some,
and then I had oranges. I'm like, okay, this is dinner.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Okay, sometimes it's like that. You know, Hey, I've had
popcorn and wine for dinner before.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
So now I'm saying, this is this is how I
unless someone feeds me.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
This is how I eat period. Yike cereal and a
glass of wine. I mean, I'm just saying, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
The only thing that would stop me. Is the milk
and the cereal? Would that?

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
With the wine?

Speaker 2 (41:02):
If it's fruity pebbles and it's a sweet wine, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Oh okay, okay, duly noted.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
I can do wine and cereal pairings.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
I'm like, let me leave the dairy away from my wine.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
I'm just saying, you know, I mean, can't be can't
be a you know, it can't be a like a chardena.
It has to be a sweet like a sweet red
or something.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Well, you know, I have had a very I guess,
bottom of the barrel cheese and charcouterie with wine for
dinner before you know, what's in the fridge type of charcouiery.
That's actually pretty good and that's no fuss, no musk.
Just find some cheese and meat and eat it with wine.

(41:50):
It's great.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, you see, not see. I think that's I think
that's a little more upscale than my wine with cereal,
but a little bit.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
But it's no, you know, it's nothing fancy. It's what's
in the fridge.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
So yeah, if it takes me more than like ten minutes,
I'm like, yeah, start, yeah, no, yeah, starve. I live
off snacks.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Oh my gosh. Oh, I wanted to bring up so
we all saw Ellie swipe that gun.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Oh yeah, so you know it's gonna have some significance,
you know, not too far down the road.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Oh yeah, because I'm like, well, he keeps trying to
keep her away from the weapons, and she wants one
so badly. It was only a matter of time before
she got her hands on one. And she probably doesn't
even know how to shoot a gun properly.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
You know, I've been wondering about that. But I'm also
wondering because she wasn't that that school, that military.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
School, and it is so maybe she does.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
She might, because I mean, the whole point was to
train these kids to become, you know, the next shock troops.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I mean obviously they're not really teaching him a whole
lot of history since she wasn't sure how the apocalypse started. Yeah, yeah,
so they got something which.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Was very interesting. But you know that sounds like typical
like propaganda type schools. Right, We're not going to talk
about that. We're only going to talk about what you
need to know.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
So my guess is, since they were trading them to
be troopers, they she probably at least has some knowledge
of how a gun works.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yeah, maybe if she gotten that far in the training.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, I'm not gonna say that this kid is a
crack shot. I'm just saying she probably knows enough to know, like,
get the safety's on her off and to not point
the gun in her face.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Well, she's one step above me. I'd be like, where's
the safety again? Wait, let me look, let me look it.
This is it. But you can get the safety off.
I'm not a bad shot, it's just the other stuff.
Like literally, someone has to load the gun in hand
to me, and I'm like, okay, now I can shoot.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, now I used to be really good at it.
But my right eyes going bad on me. And that's
you know, I'm right handed, and that's your sight. I
you know, to look down the barrel and I can't.
I can't see it. So and I'm not a lefty,
and I I don't know that I could actually shoot
left handed.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
In the apocalypse, you will become a lefty. You will
make it happen.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Probably, Yeah, although that that would not be my weapon
of choice. Yeah, sling shot mm hmmm, silver ball bearings.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
So let's let's take a step back and talk more
about crazy, Ellie, So what did you I thought the
girl was freaking crazy for jumping down in that hole.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Oh god, yeah, I also, but after having you know,
a house full of teenagers on more than one occasion,
not surprising.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
No, I wasn't surprised because that's been like herm is
to go against the grain and do stuff she's not
so supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, and she learned a single lesson. She learns nothing
or nothing.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Now it feels invincible, right, So yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Well and then she did find you know, the box
of uh tampons, which.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Is a score.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know, she was all excited about
that and I and I get it. I get it.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
I get it too. Honestly, if I had known there
was a box of tampons down there, I would jump
down right.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Priorities, okay. And you can see that she was curedus.
I mean she you can see that she is curious
about the you know, the what whatever they're being called. Yeah,
and you know, taking her knife and just kind of
really almost gently cutting open their forehead to see you.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I'm like, what is this science class with? What are
you doing?

Speaker 2 (45:59):
I think she wanted to see if you know, I
don't know if it was inside as well as outside. Er.
I was curious, I guess. And you know she's been
bitten twice, now, yes, really twice. Really, you know, she
was so upset, Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (46:21):
So?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
You know, I mean, so there probably is a part
of her two going, you know, but for the grace
of God, this could be me mm hmm and or
dead one or the others. So I think there is
some curiosity, you know what you know about what they
are and why she's not affected. So, but she didn't

(46:44):
have a single problem killing it.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
No, she didn't. She did kill it. I'm like, gro
you've waiting for those little stringy things to jump out
and try to jump on you or something. I'm like,
you are nuts. Just kill it. And then she kills it.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
I mean, it was trapped and even if somehow it
did bite her, she knows it. She'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
I know. I'm thinking about the little things that come
out of its mouth and stuff. I'm like, well, he
try to jump on you or grab you or something,
what do you do?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah, let's trapped under all that rock. So I'm gonna go.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
And and you can see that she was looking around.
She really didn't see any of the ten tendrils around it,
so it was isolated. What it was doing down there
is hard to say.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
I'm guessing it was a worker or something that felt,
you know, that got down there and got something happened
to them. They turned when they were down there. Maybe
they weren't bitten, Maybe they just turned while they were
down there.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Well, and because here's the thing, because I mean the
the floor or the the thing was sealed, you know,
the the door to the basement was seen.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Yeah, it was closed, and there were.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Things over it. So people had been above.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Maybe they heard it down there and they slammed it shut.
You know when people are ransacking, they're like, yeah, shut it.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
So I mean there's a lot of questions. Yeah, or
I don't know, maybe it's possible in between the time
of getting bitten in and that they managed to get
themselves down in the basement away from people. Maybe, So
lots of questions on why he was down there and

(48:27):
why the door. I mean, if the door was left open,
that'd be one thing.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Oh it fell down there, but you know it still
would have been sighted going down there because it hadn't.
You could see that he hadn't been one very long.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, So I have to wonder, though, is it, because
you know, this is based on a video game, that
all these characters just seem to come and go. So
we're three episodes in and we've seen a couple of
really good characters come and go very quickly, even though
for example, with this couple, technically we saw their story

(49:05):
of twenty years. They were around for a while, but
for us it was one episode, right, So I wonder
if all the other cat you know, all the other
famous people we've seen in these clips and stuff, are
they one episode people too? Like the people just cycle
in and out really quickly.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I believe that that's what's going to happen because Joel
is trying to get Ellie to the West Coast, yeah,
and he's trying to get to his brother, So through
his brother, he's hoping they can get her to where
she needs to be, which means they're not doddling, you know,
they're you know, they're going in and Joel is you know,

(49:47):
through his you know, black market networks, at least knows
seems to know the best way to get there.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Well because his brother probably would know, so he knows
to get to his brother, right, and then beyond that,
he's relying on his brother to get Ellie like the
rest of the way, it seems right.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
So, and I think he's aware of other settlements and
people along the way. So my guesses is as we
meet new people, they're probably just gonna be brief interludes.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, which is very different than what we're used to,
unless for some reason they decide to deviate and you know,
pick someone up along the way. They may not be
another main character, but just as around. Because I watched
the you know, the after the HBO thing, you know,
they talk about it or whatever, and they have said,
you know, basically, the philosophy they're going by is if

(50:42):
it's the same or worse than what the game had,
they're keeping the game, and if they can come up
with something better, they're changing it.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah, and that's what they did with Frank and Bill.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
That was changed that completely, although they have a lot
of verbatim you know, lines that all of these characters said, yeah,
but they changed you know, like in the game, you
knew that Bill had a you know, a significant other,
you know name Frank named Frank, but we never saw Frank.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
You nevercause Frank was dead.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
He was dead already, but so they decided, well, let's
just flush this out, right, So I know there could
be a lot of other changes they could make, But
I'm just kind of curious, like guessing if it's just
going to be this way the whole time, or if
they're going to actually let someone stick around. Maybe the
brother sticks around, maybe he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I don't know, because I mean, here's the thing. We
for the most part, we know that if people are
out and about in the wild, most likely they're infected.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
People are not just generally out and about, say, have
a purpose. You know, Joel has a purpose. Uh, but
I don't think you know, again, it's not like it's
not like The Walking Dead where everyone's just kind of
out and about strolling around. These are in enclaves. You know,

(52:17):
there's there's enclaves of humans and the ones that are
outside are there because they're probably infected or they came.
Like with Frank, you know, one of the enclaves went
down and he was a last survivor, apparently a Baltimore
you know, right, so you know, they lost an entire

(52:38):
settlement and there's one survivor Frank as far as we know, right, So, yeah,
this is it's a very different world than than what
we've been presented with for the Walking Dead. I mean,
in a lot of ways, these zombies are more dangerous,
a lot more dangerous. They can move faster, they're smart,

(53:03):
they're connected, they have us in their own way as
social structure m hm. And they are efficient. And you
can see that they are efficient because the humans are losing.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Right, that's a clear indicator right.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
There, you know. I mean the other thing is is
I mean, the one thing I kind of noticed was
like when when they showed us inside the you know
where Joel was living. Yeah, I didn't see any kids. No,
I didn't hear any babies. I didn't hear any kids.

(53:44):
It was only adults.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
And you know, we know there are kids because of
the school, but they keep them separate. I think they
keep them away.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
And I don't think that there's a lot of them,
I really don't. I mean, this is this is again
not a place that encourages relationships. Trust, you know, And
given a choice between having a baby and not having
a baby in this I would not want to have
a baby. Oh hell no, that's a hard no. No,

(54:16):
it's a hard no, you know, I guess. I guess,
like in The Walking Dead, at least there's a feeling
of some hope because as hard as it is with
the zombies, it's mostly their numbers, not because they're smart
or intelligent or anything else. Humans can in theory, eventually

(54:39):
turn the tide, you know, just by zombie attrition rates.
But in this you know, because zombies are they're a
genetic dead end, you know, they they can't on their own,
they can't make more of themselves, right, And but on

(55:02):
this show, this is a they're a species mm hmm,
they're They're not, you know, it's it's not outside of
nature for this to happen. Of course, never happened to
us before. It's stuck with bugs. But you know, this
is you know, it's not abnormal, so to speak. So

(55:26):
and because they are so efficient at it, you know,
the human race is dying. I mean, and you can see,
you can just see it. There's really no hope in
in most most of the people we have encountered up
to this point. Yeah, even Joel and Tess are are
very resigned to their fate kind of thing. And I

(55:49):
think that's part of the reason why Ellie almost seems
probably louder and more obnoxious than she is simply because
the rest of her background is she's like a pink
dot on a gray background.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Although I do think tests her point of view kind
of changed, she did seem hopeful, like right when you know,
after Ellie got bit in last episode and she saw
that her bite was healing, you know, she was the
one that kind of snapped at Joel like, look, can
we just have one win? You know, let us have
a win basically, so I think.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
And she put her her her hopes of salvation on Ellie.
If we can just save her, right, maybe we can
save everyone. But I also think that's the first first
time in a long time that Tess had really felt hope,
because again, I mean, when you see her at the

(56:49):
dinner party, she's such a different person.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
I know, she seems so like nice and happy, happy, yes, and.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
You know, not but completely emotionally done.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yeah, I guess at that time they were still good people, right,
because Tess herself says, you know, we're not good people,
we're bad people basically, So maybe at that point, you know,
obviously they were just starting their whole trade thing, right.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
And and it's not that they were terrible people, but
they were They knew that they were doing not necessarily
good things.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Oh yeah, they were doing what they needed to do
to get things done right, and sometimes that wasn't the
right thing.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
But you know, but they were also loyal. I mean
it's they never you know, they never let on that,
you know, Bill and Frank were just right down the road.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
No, because that's their you know, that was their hookup.
They had stuff from him, and we were wondering, well,
I was wondering, you know what, who were they trading with?
What were they smuggling from? Where?

Speaker 2 (57:59):
How?

Speaker 1 (57:59):
You know?

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Now we know, well, but he's also got more networks
because he was getting pills and the pills weren't coming
from his holiday.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
No, the pills were coming from.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Philadelphia or something.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, I think the pills were inside. You know, he
was trading with whatever he could inside.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
And we know that the pills came from Joel to Frank.
So we know that Frank's network is actually fairly extensive.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Oh yeah, they built that up over the twenty years
or whatever, for fifteen years, let's say, right, because they
didn't start that right away, right.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
You know, So you know. It's but again, I would
if I had been Frank, right, if I had been
to I just my brain, just not Ellie, not tests, oh, Joel, Joel.
If I had been Joel in tests honestly about the
time that I'm going, I hate all life, all right,

(58:53):
packing up for shit, we're moving over to over with
Bill and Frank, I would to I'm sorry, I don't.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I mean there's.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Because he could have still ran his network.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Uh, he could have been He could have been the
middleman there and ran between the other whatevers he was running.
And I don't think I could have forced myself to
live in that city.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I would prefer, you know, the nicer life as well.
I would prefer that. But they had their reasons, whatever
their reasons were for you know.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Yeah, well we know that it wasn't you know, they
were part of the fireflies. It wasn't for social change.
We know recently. It was because Joel was trying to
get to his brother. But that seems to have been
a recent development, not you know, something that happened years
ago or something.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, we don't know how long the brother's been gone.
He didn't really say, so, it could be six months.
It could be a year.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
We don't know, right, but we do know in this
probably what happened when they got rounded up. They probably
just they got split up at that point because that
he was talking about him just being shuffled around and
forced here there and yonder mm hmmm. So they didn't care,
if you know, to keep families or anything else together.
So God only knows. You know how many broken displaced

(01:00:20):
people there were?

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Oh I know, oh wow, well, oh my gosh, for
an hour we covered a lot of ground today.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yes we did. Oh I do want to make one
last cover. Ellie get to get into that truck. It's
like a spaceship.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Oh my gosh, it's like what this piece of ship?

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Yeah, because he had a trip, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Or something, he said, yeah, like but for her, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
She didn't even I mean, she didn't know what a
seat belt was. She didn't, you know. I mean, this
was and I really I kind of liked that that
that moment there, because it was she'd never been in
a car before. She had no idea what a seatbelt was.
She know how it worked, you know, you know, it's
like big in a freaking spaceship.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I know. She was like, how cool I know, and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Just looking at her going it's a piece of crab truck.
But okay, sure, you know, happy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
He entertained her, you know. Yeah, And as they drive off,
let me just say, as they drive off, you know,
again Ellie being Ellie, even though they just had this
agreement of what you say, goes right, He's like, she
takes the tape out. He's like, no, put him back.
She tape. She's gonna do what she wants to do.

(01:01:39):
That's the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
And it is kind of because, you know, the idea
of going up into an airplane, he was focusing on, Yeah,
the middle seats and crappy food, blah blah blah. She's like,
but you flew in the sky, you know. So, I
mean our world is you know that all the things
that we are taking for granted. She's very much there
going you took him for granted. That that is so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Yeah, I mean she was born in that time, so
she didn't have any of those experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah, she was you know, the the apocalypse was well
nigh you know into what about at least five years
before she was born, Yeah, at least, you know, so, so, yeah,
she has no memory of any of the the you
know these things, and she was just she's she's kind
of cracking me up, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yeah, she's a good character. I like. Yeah, so okay,
actress just doing a good job with her. So it
just yes, oh yeah, yeah, okay, I think we should
in there. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
That's where I want to end on a high note.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Yeah, all right, it's been a wonderful episode. Thanks for listening.
If you're still hearing the sound of my voice, please
hit the like and subscribe button before you go, and
we will see you again right here next week. Take
care of yourselves. Bye, guys.
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