The Last of Us S1 E4 | Episode Review

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The Last of Us S1 E4 | Please Hold to My Hand

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Speaker 2 (01:52):
Lisa, absolutely, Tamra. This is a conversation, not a dissertation.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yes, no scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around
around a lot, and of course, huge spoiler alert for
the show. We did not play the video game, so
don't worry. We won't spoil you there. If you're playing,
we're not going to mess it up for you. But
if you're cool with that, this is the place for you.
And let's just up right on in. Today we are
talking about episode four.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Hold my hand is that it?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's uh, it's something something like hold my hand. Let
me look. I'm curious now because it's based off of
that song they were playing. Oh oh no, no, not
that song. Hey, I'm sorry, please hold to my hand.
That's what it says, but that that doesn't read well,

(02:40):
please talk to my hand. Maybe it's please hold my hand. Yeah,
and it's a typo could be, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I it's it's so last week, you know, we had
this long, in depth story with Frank and uh was
it Bob?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah? Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, And uh, this week, you know, you can kind
of see where they're kind of using that as a
as a way to show the relationship that's developing between
Joel and Uh, my mind just went blank. Please God
help me, Thank you, Ellie. You just should have thrown

(03:25):
the name out for me. But yeah, you can see
where you can see where this one where, you know,
as hard as Joel is trying, not you know, to
de bond with her, your cargo, you can see it
is it's not working well for him right now.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Right. So okay, so high level though, I kind of
just want to put this out there before we start
getting into the nitty gritty of it. Okay, So, coming
off of last week, which was I think a near
impeccable episode, it was this was a much It just

(04:05):
didn't hit the note the same. You know, it's good,
it was still good, right, It was a good episode.
But man, coming off that high of last week, this
was definitely a notable difference.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, we got to see this. I think part of
it too is last week we got to see this
long twenty year relationship develop, and you know, in these
you know, snippets of time, and and then we go
back to Joel and Ellie and and and we're now
once again, you know, kind of plodding through at you know,
in current time. So I think that that that probably

(04:39):
has something to do with it.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Definitely. Also, I think it was a little shorter episode,
so it was there may have been some stuff they
cut that could have been left. I don't know. But
we did meet new characters this episode as well. We
were waiting for the character Kathleen, who was played by
Melanie Lynsky. She's the one that I liked from Yellow
Jackets and she's been in other stuff. So she's like

(05:04):
the militant like rebel faction leader and her and her
group took down Fedra from that area. So even she
didn't hit like I thought she would.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
You know, I gotta watching them. I'm like, you know, really,
is there any difference between her and Fedra? No? Not really,
not really.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
No, But I guess you have to be that cruel
to take them out.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Right, Yeah, because you can. So that the scene with
her and the doctor, he's like, you know, I didn't
sell you out. I help people. I didn't sell you out.
I didn't sell your brother out. And when you know,
they brought the two guys back that Joel had, you know,
gotten rid of, She's like, if we had a doctor

(05:55):
without help, no, that wouldn't help me. And she went
back and shot it. I'm like, you know, just because
this one time you didn't need a doctor doesn't mean
that you don't won't need a doctor an hour from now.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, I know, she sure did. She went right back.
She is so I don't want to say heartless, but
she didn't have she didn't think about it. Twice after
you know, that one guy came back and he was
like dying and there was nothing that could be done.
She was like, oh done. She just went back there
and just blew his head off.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Basically, and definitely paranoia. She has got some good paranoia, going.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
No questions, know nothing. She's like, we're done. I'm like
and I knew. I'm like, oh no, she's gonna go
kill that dude.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Oh yeah, as soon as she turned around, I'm like, oh,
you know, I'm like it. And for me, the pragmatic
part of me would go, oh, I'm sorry, No, you
don't kill the doctor. I don't care if the doctor
is a sedatas you know, statistic asshole. In this reality,
you don't kill the doctor.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
You need a doctor always.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
And I don't know what there are other doctors. I'm
going to assume that there's probably not many of them
because more than likely most of them were were wiped
out initially with the when the outbreak happened. It's probably
mostly like country doctors or you know, ones that weren't
in the hospitals that survived, right, Probably.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
It's not that many of them out there, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Exactly so, and I'm not in this is not the
kind of place that I really think they're setting up,
you know, making new doctors. So you know, this is
a dying skill set that you really kind of need.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Absolutely, And she didn't care, m M.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
And the first thing she thought, you know, was, oh,
they must have brought in some outside contractors to whatever serious.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
So does she think that Fatra brought them or that
Henry brought them.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
You know, honestly, I think they're one of the same
in her mind. Hmmm, because the reason she's mad at
Henry is because he basically sold other people out to
keep him and his son safe. Yeah, And my guess
is is probably if you get down to the nitty gritty,
almost everyone in that place at some point has sold

(08:26):
someone out to save their own asses.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Which is, you know, I think the perfect way this
show needs to be that, you know, everyone has a
little dark. No one's good. Everyone's like a little morally gray,
you know, because that's just what you have to do
to survive.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
So of course there are some outright evil people, but
I don't think you know, there's good or bad in
the traditional sense when you're in this kind of situation.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, like the doctor, he's like, you know, the Doctor's like,
I delivered you, I held you in my hands. You know,
I didn't sell you or your brother out.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
She's like, I don't give up, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
And and the thing of it is is she didn't.
The thing it was is she was even acknowledging that
the doctor hadn't done anything per se. The only thing
he had done is he might possibly know where Henry
is or what you know, or any of the people
that she listed, right, And he wasn't giving them up,
right because he knew giving them up meant killing them

(09:27):
mm hmm, and he wasn't willing to do that. So,
you know, the doctor wasn't even a bad person per se.
She he just happened to be the focus of her ire, right.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
And honestly, they have had obviously we can tell from
the you know, from the things that Kathleen was saying.
They have been looking for the two of them and
unable to find them. But it seemed like they found
them pretty easily when they actually started looking, you know,
like that guy's like, oh, we found something, and then

(10:04):
they just walk and he's like up there, like how
did you even find that? You haven't been able to
find him this whole time, and now you just go
into this building, just happened to pull down a hatch
and just happened to find them, just like that.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, it seemed like the efforts were redoubled after Joel
and Ellie you know, entered the scene.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, I don't know, it just seemed too easy, but okay,
I'll buy it.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, And it could be that that place was close
to where Joel and Ellie crashed.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, I think it was. It must have been pretty close,
because they walked right in on them. They got the
drop on them, you know, I knew they would by
the way.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well. And it's pretty interesting too, because although I gotta
tell you, if I had been Joel, I would not
have gone into the city. I would have just I
would have, you know, gone around the overpass.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, because he was trying to Okay, so when they
got to the tunnel, it was blocked, and so his
thought was, okay, you know how when you get off
the freeway you think you can kind of just ride
alongside it and get back on later. But that went
completely wrong. Like he was all the way in the city.
I'm like, you're so far away from the freeway right now?

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Oh yeah, and you can. Yeah, he's asking her, where
are we? I don't know, dude, I just got the
car two days ago.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
I'm not used to looking at maps. I don't know.
I don't have a sense of direction. This is all bad.
You're asking me, right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Well, and I do know. I mean I've been through
Kansas City a couple of times. But I will say
that you know that that overpass, you know, it being blocked,
and we know that he's gone across country before. Why
didn't we do the same thing? Yeah, you know, why

(12:01):
not just you know, circle around it. It's not like
the whole area was barricaded. He could have just gone
around and said, taken you know, the the off ramp back.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
No. I do question why he made that choice. But
maybe he thought it would just be quicker, right maybe.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, risk is maybe less risk because you know, you
can always bottom out, you know, with a in a
hole or something. I don't know, although I will say
I was really kind of shocked for the first time
we have seen animals outside of birds and amphibians on
this show.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
What animals Did you see the buffalo? Oh yeah, that
whole herd of buffalo. Oh yeah, I was shocked.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I was like, oh my god, this is but that
is literally the very first thing animal we've actually seen
outside of birds and amphibians.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, but those were also not in a city.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Right, And and you know when Joel went off the
off the road and pulled into the woods and she's like, well,
you know they can't see fire. Oh no, no, it's not.
It's not for the zombies. It's the it's people.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
People we don't want to be And I get it.
They want to be invisible because people are problems. You
can't trust people. And he expressed to her like eventually,
you know, he says, when me and Tess met up,
we met these people and we did things right, we
tried to survive. So obviously they did things he probably regrets.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
I think Joel has a lot of regrets.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh yeah, so he knows people are not kind and
people want to take what you have right, among other things,
to you, do things to you, you know. So he's like,
it's the best that we just stay away from people,
and that's totally valid. And she just doesn't quite understand.
But I think she does now well.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
And I think because after he said, when he said,
or she made the comment, well they you know, are
you afraid they're going to steal our stuff? Oh that'll
be the least of our worries, right, or the least
of the things they do to us. You can see
that there is a moment where she she was really scared.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah. I think she kind of thought for a second,
like what else could they do? Oh? I don't want
to find out, I don't.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I don't want to know, you know, because everything else
is bad.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, everything is bad. There's nothing good can come of it.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, nothing good. It's all bad. Yeah, and it's really
and it's interesting because where they were at was really
very pleasant and but Joel said that, you know this,
this isn't a good place for the mushrooms to grow
or the fungus to grow. And there there's they're away

(14:57):
from most people. So definitely, if I gotta say, if
I was living in that apocalypse, I would definitely not
be living in one of those cities. I would be
off the grid, somewhere in like in a forest like that.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
I would find the most abandoned place I could find,
so far off the beaten path. No one would find me.
They'd have to come with machetes through the woods or
the right they would. I mean, it would be a
fluke if someone found me.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, because everything that I've seen tells me that nothing
good is coming out of any of these uh, these cities,
these are not places that they're they're concentration camps, self
imposed concentration camps. Yeah, there's you know, I mean there's

(15:49):
there's some security. I suppose there's some food, but Honestly,
I think you'd almost be better off out in the woods.
I mean, there's is technically food and Buffalo and you
know and and and Joel and are not Joel, but uh,
you know, Bob and Henry did very.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Well and they were like in a small town, but
they also lucked out because you know, Fedra thought that
town was accounted for, right, they thought they cleared that town.
Oh yeah, so no one really was coming back to
check for them, right.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
But I think that's kind of how they operate everywhere.
They they're not going at least not much outside of cities, right,
And I'm getting the impression there's not there's some trade,
but not a lot, and not even a lot of
official trade because you know, back in the first episode,
you know, Joel had those pills and you know, the

(16:48):
guy that worked for Fredra wasn't able to get you know,
those kinds of things, right, Right, So he's aware that
there are other cities that are making this stuff, but
it's not coming in, or at least not very much
is coming in on official channels.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Oh definitely, it's all it's all under under the table, right,
They're all sneaking around trading because you know then the
you know, Federer won't have control of what's happening, right,
they don't have all the all the control of everything,
which they hate, because that's how you keep people in line.
We keep your food, we keep your money, we keep

(17:27):
your resources. You do what we say, you file the rules.
But when people start trading and doing that stuff, it
makes it harder, right, you know that.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
And I'm also getting the impression that Fedter the other
big thing is is they don't want people to move
around because the more they move around, the more there's
possible exposure.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
So absolutely, they.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Don't want people out and about. They don't want traveling,
they don't want commerce. They just want people.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
To stay put, exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
And you know, and honestly, I think those are cards
are they're just as much to keep the people in
as they are to keep the bad stuff out.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Oh definitely, because you know, just to go back to
the first episode, I think that guy at the who
was hung, wasn't he trying to sneak out? Like he
wasn't even sneaking in, he was trying to get out.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Any right, And you would think that, oh fie if
you would out let him out. But you know, going
back to the second episode, they were killing people if
they couldn't fit him inside. You know, these these shelter
these sheltered areas. Yeah, so as far as they're concerned,
if you're not inside, then you're good as dead because

(18:44):
you know, you become a possible you know, vector carrier.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
So yeah, that's why there's very little commerci or movement
at this point. And while there are occasionally you'll see
people on the move, for the most part everyone is
staying put. There's you know, on The Walking Dead, these
people are all over the place, they're moving all over
the place. But on this show, it's everyone is pretty

(19:15):
much hunkered down and once they found a safe location
more or less they don't go anywhere outside of it.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Mm hm, which so sense, you know, from what they're
dealing with, makes sense. So was it just me or
Ellie seemed like she was very enamored with this gun
that she picked up. Oh yeah, she's like playing with
the gun essentially.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well, I think part of it is it's the age.
You know, there's always a fascination with things that can
inflict damage at that age, partly because they have a
really hard time in understanding the finality of death in
in a close personal way, right right. And and the

(20:07):
other part is is you know she has been taught
how to you know, she she said that, you know,
she's learned how to use a gun. She she obviously
knew how to take it apart and take out the
you know, click the last bullet and everything else. She's
where where the safety is. So she has some basic
understanding of how guns work. She was taught that at
the federal schools. Federal schools, and I think, you know,

(20:30):
she she very much wants to be a part of
the solution, not just cargo.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yes, and she actually ends up being so, you know,
after they are attacked by those people and they have
to run and hide, and of course Joel gets attacked
and he's literally being choked out. Yeah, and then Ellie
comes behind that. I'm like, oh, she gon'll shoot him
right in the back, and she does, oh, yeah, you
gotta do what you got to do. And then the

(21:01):
guy is like, oh, my legs, don't move. I'm like, well,
you're going to kill that guy. And he instantly started
pleading with her and trying to like persuade her.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Oh yeah, you know, you can go to my house.
You can beat my mother.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
You know, we'll have food, right.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
I'm like, you know, you could have all started with that.
You know, I'm just saying, you know, if y'all were
that friendly, that you could have started with. But these
are not. You know, everyone is very inwardly turned. And
the the idea and again because I think travel is

(21:39):
so discouraged, the idea of people of Joel just trying
to get from one spot to another is almost unheard of.
Even the ones that were escaping, you know, the federal collapse,
It's assumed that they're still in the city. They haven't
tried to leave, right, And.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
You know, this whole thing about that makes me feel
like even though and we've talked about this with the
Walking Dead, right, our people we know, so we don't
think of them as doing something bad, but those other
people are like this. These people are intruding. They could
be here to scavenger us, do something to us. So well, and.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Even if Joe presents himself, I'm just trying to get hurt.
I'm just trying to get to my brother and even says,
this is my daughter and I'm trying to get to
you know, I'm trying to get to my brother. I
don't think he would be believed that the paranoia is deep.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Oh yeah, and I don't. I don't blame him at all.
So that's why I feel like, you know, this situation
was the absolute worst because see case scenario. But I
don't think that those other people are quote unquote the
bad team because of what happened. I just think that's
just a product of what's happening in this environment.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Right, And even if if these people hadn't taken over control,
it had been under Federick control, I think the outcome
for for for Joel would have been the same mm hmmm,
because feder doesn't want new people, they don't want people traveling.
Anyone that's outside the walls has to be dangerous. So

(23:15):
I think he would have had a similar reception if
it had been Federick controlled. It wouldn't have mattered who could,
It doesn't matter who controls the city. The reception would
have been the same.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Absolutely. And so even with you know all of that,
and then of course, when Henry and Sam come upon
Joel and Ellie, they're having them at gunpoint. But you know,
he's not the preview, so we know, and we also
know they're the main character, so they're not gonna die. Yeah,
but it looks like they work together at some point.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
It does insting well, and the little boy, you know,
he's he's painted of a superhero mask on his face,
and it makes me wonder what Henry actually did did
did Henry even did he sell someone out? Or is
it or not? Or is it paranoia or you know,

(24:08):
it's hard in this in this setup, it's really hard
to say.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, Kathleen could be making some assumptions and he's like, well,
I'm gonna protect me and Sam instead of trying to
tack her off the ledge.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Right because she doesn't seem real stable.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
No, she is like shoot now, ask questions later. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well, and then her I guess her second in command says,
you need you know. They go down to the bowels
of the building and they see that breathing ground. I'm
going to assume that's some kind of big spore or something.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
M h.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
He's like, what are we going to tell the people?

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Not yet, because she doesn't want anything to interfere with
finding these people that she has, you know, marked for death.
That's her priority.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
He's like, but the she's like I said, not yet,
She's like, no, follow my orders, man, and he does.
He locks the place up. She says, you know, lock
it off and we'll deal with it later.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Right now, he does give her kind of that side.
I like, hmm, not so sure about this, but he
does follow her. He does follow her because at this
you can kind of tell that they're overthrowing at Federal
has happened very recently. Oh yeah, so you know, he's
still willing to follow her as of right now, because
I'm going to assume that she was the main reason

(25:37):
why they were able to overthrow Veder to begin with.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, but it's probably, like you said, she was probably
the ringleader in that. So he follows her now, right.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
But if she continues to make decisions that you know,
puts other people in danger, then I imagine that there
she will start losing people following her. Mm hmm. And
there were probably another mini revolution, uh, because at this point,

(26:09):
the way that she's acting, it's no different and maybe
even a tad crueler than what Federa has been up
to this point.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Heck, or maybe they just find a way to kill Kathleen,
you know.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
So yeah, it's I don't know, I mean, it's pretty
she's yeah, she's bonkers, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
She is, and it might be her turn to death,
so and that would be okay, and they'll get a
new leader and you know, Joel and Ellie will continue
on their journey.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah. And and of course they have nothing, they have
no skin in this game, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
They just went out. They're just trying to get through.
I mean, honestly, all their supplies were in that truck.
So oh yeah, they're able to get the supplies from
that truck and carry on someone because they had a
pretty sweet setup.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Honestly, I don't think they're getting any of that back.
I'm from every from what I saw, they were already
unloading everything. They knew what the contents, which is why
they got loaded.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Oh they must be some kind of mercenaries or something,
you know, because they had.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
All those are raiders. They're not very stealth if they're
raiders exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
But but again, they're they're really not thinking any of
this through. It's you know, they're this is not a
a thinking crowd, you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
A following crowd. You know.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Well, and right now everything is very us against them.
Mm hmm if you are not us, then you are them,
and them is dangerous.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, So I don't know. And that's the thing. I
feel like this episode was very tight, right like, and
by that I mean there was things going on, but
not a lot of things going on. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Well, I think most of it was really more building
towards this new relationship that Joel and Ellie are building
with each other with the joke book.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Which was hilarious. Actually. I love Ellie's humor. It is
so funny. Like when she found the magazine I want
to see, She's like telling her her closet and she's like,
now I'm gonna look. She's like, wait, why are these
pages stuck together? She's really jerking his chain like he's like,

(28:46):
oh my god. He is put out by it all,
and she is having the great greatest time at his expense.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Oh yeah, you know, and you can see that, you know,
And when they when they bed down for the night,
you know, and she tells him that joke, and you know,
but there's you can see that he's starting to look
at her in a different way. By the end of
the episode, and you know, the the the dirty magazine

(29:18):
and the joke book. But but I think even more
than anything, it was when she shot that guy. Oh yeah,
and Joe was he was really saddened by that. I'm
so sorry, you know, it hurts.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
He's like, you're a kid, you shouldn't have to be
doing this stuff, right, And he put the gun from
her immediately, he had to give it back, like he's
stilling with the reality, right.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well, and then she said, you know, it's not the
first time I've shot someone. And I mean he kind
of I think he assessed her a little differently at
that point.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
M h.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
And that's when he handed her the gun.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Back, but showed her how to grip it better so
someone couldn't just yank it out her hands.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, who told had a hold again? Like that Feder, Well,
they did it wrong. And uh but from about that
point on, for the rest of the show, he said
to her at least a couple of different times, you know,
I'm sorry you're having to grow up like this. I'm
sorry for this world you're you're in.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
But see, that's the thing. She doesn't know what she's missing,
you know what I'm saying. She's so young, she didn't have.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
The before, right, And I think that you know, and
that makes Joel very sad, you know that that she
didn't have it before, that she has no idea what
it is she's missing, and she's actually in some way
she's kind of getting a little bit of a taste
of that, like being in the car or in the truck,
you know. I mean, that's that's a whole new experience

(30:47):
for her, something that she probably never thought she'd she'd
have going on a road trip.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Enjoying and liking Chef Boyardi.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, you know, these just little things that you know
from the past.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
And even that tells you how many preservatives are in
that thing. If it's still good. I camp was still good.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Oh, I know.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I used to eat that crap as a kid too.
I used to eat that when I was, like, I
don't know, under ten, when I was yet too young
to know better. It was bad for you.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I'm gonna I'm not gonna lie. I've had some with
in the last year.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Really, does it still taste the same or does it
taste different?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
It tastes the same, Oh my god, not only the
the that's the one I like.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Oh. I used to love the Beeferoni one with the noodles.
Oh my gosh, what a mess. And I used to
put cheese on it too.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Well, there you go, see good.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
I should try it now it's a full grown adult.
And see if I still like it, I think my
body would be like, wtf are you eating?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Mind? Isn't okay? It's just happy if I feed it, okay,
So you know, oh, look it's terrible, but it's food sustinance.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Well you will take it.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
We'll take it.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
We'll take it.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
But yeah. But and then before they went, you know,
before they went to sleep, near the end of the episode,
you know, he again apologized to her and she's like,
is it any Does it get any easier when you
grow up? No? Not really? This is you know, it's
it pretty much stays all awful.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know, Oh this is this is status quo now,
you know.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
But also in that scene, you could tell that they
really turned a corner because there he's laughing at her jokes.
M hm, he caved, he laughed. You know, it's kind
of like he'd let his guard down.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
You know. M hmm. Well, and when the scarecrow joke,
the fact that he knew that one she was did
you read this book?

Speaker 1 (32:55):
No? How did you know?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
She was just flavergasted that he actually knew the answer,
and uh, you know, and then when he started to
laugh about you know it runs and he probably knew
that one because that one's a I think everyone knows
that particular joke, but you know, he he went ahead
and he let her have it and giggled about it.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah. So they're really turning a corner, I think in
this episode.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, And and so I think that's what this episode
more than anything, was this build up to the relationship
that's that's coming between the two of them, this you know,
father daughter almost father daughter bond.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah. Maybe that's why he also has a real hang
up on Elie having to do these adult things because
he's knowing if that was my daughter, if you or
my daughter, you know, I wouldn't want her doing this.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Well, and she's really close to his daughter's age, you know,
before or she died, and and so you know, he's
kind of seeing what the world would be, you know,
seeing how the world would have been for her if
she had lived. And and I think it upsets him
because as much as he wanted, you know, he not
that he ever wanted his daughter to die, but seeing

(34:17):
the world that she would have grown up in I
think it hurts him a little bit.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
So. And you know, the the realization that, you know,
all the things that he did to survive to get
to where he was, you know, she would have had
to do those terrible things with him.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Mm hmm. You know.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
So I think he's he's kind of, you know, doing
a little bit of soul searching in a in a
way as as a as they continue to bond.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yes, Yeah, he's gonna grow as a character, which I
like because you know, you're gonna he's starting off all
gruff and stuff. And this is episode four and he's
already turning the corner.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Well, and you know, Ellie's she's she's a bit much,
but she's likable. She's a likable kid.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
She is a quintessential preteen, you know, Mouthie. She doesn't listen.
Like when he tells her put the gun in the bag, right,
you're gonna like shoot your butt off or something. What
does she do? She puts it in her pocket?

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Anyway, No, she has not done a single thing he's
told her to.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
No one not listen like you have. Like Ellie has
to learn the hard way, dude. She's like a hard
way learner.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Oh yeah, and it's and she always agrees. I will
listen to you, I will follow your directions.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
She will to your face right.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Until you turn your until you turn your back on her,
and then she's gonna just do whatever she wants.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Absolutely absolutely. It's a mess to be quite frank, like, dang,
she don't do in the minute she said she's not
gonna do it. He says she never does, and she
probably never will. That's going to be an ongoing theme
throughout this whole series.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
No, oh, I'm sure, I mean or now, she will
listen to him when it is life or death. You know,
when he told her to stay in the truck, she
did stay in the truck. You know. When he told
her to go and hide in that that little window
or that little area in the wall, she did.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
But I felt like she thought about it for a
second before she ran over there. I feel like, well,
I think that's right, argue now.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
I think that had more to do with the bullets flying.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
That too. Yeah, because he.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Kept telling you, I, you know, they're not going to
hit you. I got you, you can do this. But I, honestly,
in her position, I would be hesitant to move away
from relative safety and you know, to dive through and
and a hole in the wall that you have no
idea where it goes to.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, you don't know what's over there at all.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, So I mean that was I mean for her,
I mean that that was a moment of trust.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Well that's either that or get shot possibly.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
So well, I mean, like I said, I mean there
was some relative safety there behind the truck, So it
would be it would be hard. I would be hard
to motivate myself to run across in an exposed area
to climb into a wall. And awkwardly, I might add, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
So I mean even when they were running, you know,
when they left the building, you know, the little storefront,
and they went to go find someplace to hide out,
and he boosts her in this little window and then
he's telling her to look around, and she just goes
straight and open the door right.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
And he's just like, oh my god. Yeah, she's not
she's not a real good partner in crime, you.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Know, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
But you know, she's what he's got.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
No, she does not rules and regulations, She's like whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
And it's it's also good because she knows that Joel
won't voluntarily leave her, you know, even even if he
wasn't thinking of her in a paternal way, the fact
is that he takes his cargo very seriously. Yeah, so
she does. She does at least have that, you know,

(38:25):
that she knows that he won't abandon her.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, because you know, he made a promise about it, right,
he said he would do it. And I think that
will hold true because not only you know it's in
the script, but because you know, Tesk keeps coming up
in different ways. You know, we're reminded that he actually
cared for her and had a relationship with her, and

(38:49):
if she made him promise to do it, and.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Oh yeah, to do it well, and he made that.
You know, he's made that that commitment to to Ellie
several different times. Yeah, in several different ways, to several
different people.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
So it's like once he decided, right, once it was
Once it was set, it's set.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Right. So she at least knows she you know, at
least she's she doesn't have it in the back of
her head, will he leave me? Because she knows, she
knows anything short of death.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
He won't. Yeah, definitely, So she does have that security,
which allows her to be more herself, I guess, more
free to be snotty or whatever, because.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
I think if she was really afraid of him leaving her,
she would not be quite as brash.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, she's not afraid of him at all on any
level in a show, yes.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
So, but if she was, I think she'd have a
very different, you know, attitude. But because you know, she's
pretty good at self preservation. She is, you know, for
a teenager. But yeah, I think it's the fact that
she she has faith in him mm hmm, that he
will not leave her, and that's what that gives her
the the ability to be as snotty as.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
She is, I mean even Okay, so I also noticed
obviously Joel has a slight hearing problem. But Ellie, she'll
say his name. She did it several times in this episode.
She'll say Joel. He won't answer, sometimes on purpose, sometimes not.
She's like Joel, He'll be like, what you know she

(40:25):
does that when she has to wake him up at
the end, I'm like, okay, we know she's got her
listen to me voice mm hm. It's funny, like how
she just yeah, so several times we've seen her do that.
I'm sure, she'll do that a lot more times. Oh yeah,
she was mistack, ignore her or can't hear her one
or the other.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Well, and he does, you know she asked him about
was it an injury? No, it's shooting, yeah, and I
mean it without ear protection. If you're doing, especially in
close quarters, it will damage your hearing, absolutely will.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
I mean, he told her, you might want to use
that knife more if you.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Want to keep your hearing mm hmm. And like I said,
especially because it seems in a case where he's been
using a gun has probably been in enclosed spaces, which
is the worst place to use a gun.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Mm hmmm hm.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
And uh, long years of doing this has caused and
there's probably I mean, what did he say, he's fifty
three years old? Fifty four years old?

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Oh did he say fifteen? Yeah, he's fifty something. I
could swear he said like fifty eight or something like.
I was like, he's almost sixty.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, No, I thought he said him fifty three. Really
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
I because I mean, whatever he said, whatever I thought
he said, I'm like, wow, he's like really close to sixty.
I thought he was on the later end. But y'all,
you know, if you're listening correct, let us know what
you heard.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, but you know, so, I mean age plays a
factor into you know, declining hearing. But I gotta say
he he sleeps a lot heavier than I would assume.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
See, I know he would sleep heavy because I don't
think he slept that night in the woods. You know,
after she kind of said, are you sure no one will?
You know, she kind of expressed nervousness about I was
sneaking up on them.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
And then getting up at standing guard over right.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
So I'm like, I don't think he slept at all.
So I'm thinking he That's why I knew he wouldn't
hear the glass. I'm like, he's gonna crash so hard.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
And if his plan, you know, if the plan had
gone like it was supposed to, he'd be in the
area where his brother was right now by now. But
instead they're stuck in Kansas City, right and even now
with you know, pre plague, you know, no one wants
to get stuck in Kansas City. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
So you know how last week you had caught some articles.
I caught a few articles, and apparently this episode took
a lot verbatim, word from word from the video game. Yeah,
I was like, oh, interesting. So they did change stuff,
as they always do, but there were a lot of
scenes and a lot of you know, of what they

(43:22):
were saying that was like literally cut copy paste, which
was kind of cool for people who play the game.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, and they didn't say that they were expanding these
characters out a little more, you know, three dimensionally mm hmmm,
because they were just basically NCP players for the most part, right,
But uh yeah, But a lot of these scenes are
taken directly from the video games, so.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Which I'm sure is very nice for you know, the
players to see because you know, as a book reader,
I love when I'm like, oh that, actually that happened
just like that in the book. So I get enjoyed
it out of that. And I'm sure they're getting some
enjoyment out of seeing some things reflected on the screen,
you know.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Oh yeah, I mean the numbers for this show seem
to ref I mean, people are really enjoying it, gamers
and non gamers, So yeah, they I think they've done
a really good job so far with with this storyline.
And and and I like the thing that you know,
because on a lot of these other zombie shows we
have no idea why, right, you know, and and they

(44:31):
don't make any sense that you just you just suspend
your disbelief and just.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Go with it exactly.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
But on this one, you know, there's a rational explanation
for why this is happening, and you know, the the
science is more or less there, you know, on on
plausibility scale.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
And it makes it a little more grounded, I guess
would be a good word for it.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
M hmm. Yeah, we didn't see any zombies this episode,
which was okay, I guess, you know, we don't need
it every episode.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, I think they're they're judiciously using them because I
get the feeling that they're you know, the the biggest
threat to Joel and Ellie really isn't the the zombies.
It's the people. M hm. And it doesn't matter if
they're you know, federa or non federa or whatever. For

(45:31):
the most part, people are bad or at least you know, yeah,
maybe they're not necessarily bad, but it's bad for them
to be around them.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Right because they have no They really let the morals go.
They just do what they they want to do.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
You know. Well, I think it's there's a little more
to everyone has become very tribal more or less. And
these aren't people that travel. These aren't people that you
know that they don't make new connections. You know, new
people means new danger. And if someone is out and about,
there's something very weird about them.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, Like, I mean, this is a great example. So
probably this whole group of people that took over this
you know, station or whatever, they probably all were in
the same community together. Oh yeah, it's like the doctor
was like, I gave birth to you. So I bet
a lot of them, even if they may not have
known them per se, they've seen them on the street,

(46:28):
seen them in the grocery store or something. You know,
they are probably their original community.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I mean, I'm sure they had some additions, but the
core group is probably from Kansas City, and you know
they were at least from that. They have that communal mindset.
And again, you know, as far as anyone else is concerned,
if you're out and about, you know you're a raider
or you know someone who is a mercenary of some sort.

(46:56):
You know, people don't vol, you know, good people don't
don't leave.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Essentially, Well, I think we'll get more on that as
we get to know a little more about this group,
because you know, like you said, we're getting a little
more than we would in the game about these characters.
So maybe we'll get a little more next time. Because
obviously I feel like, what's her face? May not make
it out alive, Kathleen. I think she's a goner. Uh.

(47:25):
I don't have to see what happens to the father
and son. M H.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I don't know if they'll make it or not, but
I don't think Kathleen is long for this world.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah. Same, So next week, FYI, in case you guys
didn't know, they are airing it on for Friday instead
of Sunday. Do you know that, Lisa, I did not. Yes,
they are airing it on Friday instead of Sunday because
of Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Oh, because I originally heard that they were just going
to go ahead and you know, keep it on the
regular schedule.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
I saw our articles today and my husband actually told
me too, He's like, did you know that. I'm like, oh, yeah,
I just saw that.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Okay, that's a recent development because they said that for
the next three weekends, was it, There's gonna be the Grammys,
football and something else?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah? Check now. The release date is the tenth, which
is Friday. But we'll still be unless you have something,
unless you because you know, I have stuff on the weekend,
so we'll still be here Monday. But yes, just so
you know, if you want to watch it before, don't
wait till Sunday. It's a failble on Friday.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
All right, good enough. I wouldn't be watching football anyway.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
But yeah, I watched strictly for the commercials, and then
I actually don't watch the game. And then when I
hear the commercials are on, I'll go look if it
sounds interesting, and I'll watch halftime and that's about it.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Yeah. I used to occasionally go to like Super Bowl parties,
and i'd watch the commercials. I go there for the
food and commercials. It's kind of sad.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
No, that's how it is. How it is if you're
not a football fan. And you know what though, actually,
nowadays the last I don't know how many years you've
been able to wake up the next day and watch
all the commercials on YouTube. Yes, so you don't even
have to watch the commercials anymore. You'll see it six
hours later on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
This is true.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
So there's that.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, so I guess they decided. Initially they were going
to go, yes, we're we're going to go up against football,
and I guess now they went no, maybe not.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
They're like, why risk it? We've had such great numbers.
Why would we want to risk it for Super Bowl? Right?
Exactly so, And I think that was a wise choice.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah, Oh I don't. I mean, it wouldn't have affected
by viewing one way or the other, but I know
for their ratings, but it would have affected their ratings overall.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, and you know how it is. They want those ratings,
so you get canceled.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Well, they've already been greenlit for next ti, you know,
next season.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
But that's not stopping anything. I've heard some reversals. They've
reversed stuff before.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, they have, that's true.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
But yeah, I think this I think this show is safe. Honestly,
I think it's safe for a second season. It was
such a hit right out the gate, and unless they
make like a sharp left turn, I feel like it's
pretty safe.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Yeah. I did get kind of a giggle because I
was reading an article. I guess there are rumors going
around that the actress that plays Ellie is going to
be replaced next season.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
No, no, and she's not.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
She's not. But there's these persistent rumors and I guess
I can't remember the actress's name. She's she's even gotten
online and she's like, no, I'm not being replaced. You know,
I know that I'm in the second season. Oh no, No,
we've heard rumors.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
You know what. There takes me back to the lunacy
of some of the WTD fans, like come on, y'all, like,
stop with the crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, I guess they were arguing with her online. No, no,
you're not going to be in second.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
See, he's gonna argue with the person that has the job.
I know, right, she would know, she would know.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
So yeah, because I guess in second there is a
small time jump, but she goes to nineteen.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Oh I like it.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
But the actress that she's nineteen right now, so you
know which I think is fine.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I think it's cool. She could actually play her real age.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah, you know, so, yeah, it's I don't think it's
going to be much of a stretch, and I think
they'll probably the biggest change will probably be demeanor.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Wow. So if there is a time jump like that,
so that's at least like what five years or something.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Mm hmm, so that's thirteen now.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Okay, so if she's nineteen, yeah, so that's like six years.
That means when they come back together, Joel will be
even older. They probably would have had an established parental
child relationship. And yeah, that would be interesting to see
how this old man's getting around.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
And you can tell that after the car accident stuff,
he was shuffling a little bit.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
He was hurting because you know, we already heard about
the knees. And then they climbed all of these I
think they climbed to ten flights thirty five, thirty five
out of forty forty four or something like that, forty
one or something. They were close, but he gave out,
like nope, hey do it.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I'm done. I'm done.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah, I'm like, so he's already, And I mean, I
understand I'm not as old as him by any means,
but hell, if I had to climb thirty five flights
of stairs right now, I would be hurting at thirty five.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Oh yeah, okay, I am close to Joel's age, depending
if he was thirty, you know around you know, fifty
four and him are pretty you know of an age
together and I'm here to tell you, I don't know
that I could go up thirty five flights of stairs.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I'd be like, where is my ad fil I need
something now. If you want these legs to get up
and move tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Oh god, I'd be crippled the next day too. The
fact that he could get up a move, I'll be impressed,
you know.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah. I think if I was in the Apocalypse, I'd
be in much better shape because I wouldn't have a choice.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Well, there's that. There is that still thirty five flights
of stairs.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Oh my god, that's nothing that you know brown ad.
I mean, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Of work, it is, so anyway, But yeah, I'm looking
forward to the next episode. I'm ready to see, you know,
Joel and Ellie really start interacting with other people, because
up to this point they really haven't. No, it's just
been the two of them. So next episode, there's gonna

(54:01):
be a lot more you know, interaction.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Yeah, we're just gonna make it fun. I think I
think we'll have some action scenes. We'll have some maybe
explosives or shoot a shootouts or something. It's gonna be something,
you know, to kind of pick the pace up a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I think yeah, yeah, the low before the storm.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Mm hmmm, good stuff. Is there anything else you think
we should cover?

Speaker 2 (54:28):
No, I think we got it pretty much covered.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Yeah, I think we did it. That was a good episode.
I had a good time with it. Yay yay. All right,
so we will be back here next Monday. You guys
will be talking about episode five. I hope you're here
as well. Don't forget to like and subscribe if you're
still listening, Appreciate you for doing that, and we'll see
you next time. Take care of yourselves. Bye guys, Bye bye.