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The Last of Us S1 E6 | Kin

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Speaker 3 (01:09):
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Speaker 3 (01:48):
Lisa, absolutely, Tamora. This is a conversation, not a dissertation.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yes, no scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around
a lot, and of course, huge spoiler alert for everything
that happened on Sunday Day and every episode before. We
don't play video games, or at least not this video game,
so don't worry. No spoilers on that front. And if
you're cool with that, this is the place for you.
So we shall begin episode six.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Kin, Yes, so what.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Did you think? Are you so excited about the show? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I liked it a lot. I think that while this show,
this episode was more character driven. You know, there was
like the action was in the back banter right between
all the characters. I enjoyed it. I was entertained, I
was not bored. I had a good time with it.

(02:41):
What about you?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I really liked it. I gotta tell you, I think
one of my favorite scenes in this entire in the
entire episode, was when they were in the cabin with
a Native American couple.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Oh that was funny.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Oh my god, I was rolling. You made them soup,
they were hungry, Yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Know yeah with the map. He's like, did you tell
them the truth? She's like, yeah, you tell me the truth. Yeah.
She's hilarious, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
The two of them to get.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I'm not dead yet, I can see that, you know.
I just I had that whole interactor, that whole thing.
I was just rolling because she was just so dead panted,
and I and she used to be in uh, she
played in Northern Exposure and I really loved her in

(03:37):
that too.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Okay, and yeah, I mean long time ago, but but yeah,
she just the two of them together, I was just
I was giggling just because it was just too funny.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
It was funny, and I loved it. It was a good
start right right because right when we started the episode,
we see we got a little three month time jump. Yeah,
which is good because I think they're making strides towards
something particular in particular, you know, happening. I don't know
what that is. I did not look in research, but
I can tell that they're they're going toward a goal,

(04:15):
right right, And I guess we need to jump some
time to make that happen. So I'm well, you know,
I love time jumps.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Right well, and along with the you know, since they've
lost their vehicle, you know it they could have been
you know, what was it they were playing on being
there that evening with the car. Instead, three months later
we're still trekking along.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
I know there would have There's no way we could
have gotten as far as we had without jumping.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Over that exactly, you know.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I mean, I suppose they could have tried to come
up with some reasonable reason for them to come with
another car, but you know, we pretty much know that
unless they're vehicles and like one of the safe zones,
there isn't any you know, you can't just get one
off the road like they do on the Walking Dead.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
And think about this though, also in that three month time,
they've gotten to know each other. Yes, yes, he's beginning
to like her more and she's beginning to like him more.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
You know, well, she she has really put her faith
in him and you know, because you know, it's just
we've the discussion later on the in the episode. You know,
you she's like, everyone has left me. I have been alone.
People have died or they've gone away or whatever. But

(05:38):
he's he's probably one of the few consistents that she's
had in her life, you know, in this three about
four month period, I'm going to stay altogether m hm.
And so yeah, it's you know, there there's this they
know each other now kind of like he's like, no,
I'm going to you know, first shift or second shift. No,

(05:58):
I'm going to stay up all night. And I don't
know understand that with Joeli because he can't he all
all day and falls asleep. Yeah, and you can't walk
all day and stay up all night. He has to
sleep at some point. I mean, this has been three
months on the road. He has got to sleep and
at some point trust her to you know, take care

(06:20):
of things.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
He's in denial. He's the person who says, I'm awake
for this movie, let's watch it, and then five minutes
later he's.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Sleeping exactly, and you know, and you know he's getting older,
he's deaf in one ear. You know, he's he's slowing
down and he knows it, and I think it's kind
of freaking him out.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Oh definitely. I mean he's even I'm sure it's not
helping that he's got shoe problems.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, you know dec oh that poorshoe.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
I mean, there's nothing worse than trying to walk when
your foot is being rubbed raw or something isn't right
with your feet, right, Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
And I mean it's in its winter, it's cold. They're
not really dressed for it, not really. No, And and
you can see like right after they left the cabin
and you know, Ellie was like, we're not scared.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
She's like he is.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
And when they yeah, and when they start walking away
at first, you know, when he started having problems breathing.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I'm like, oh, man, he's having a panic attack.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
And and I'm like, well, you know he's up there
in age. I mean, it could be a heart attack,
but I'm thinking it's a panic attack.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, And it was a panic attack. I think he's
thinking of all that. You know, Joel is like the
quintessential I refuse to admit I'm having a problem, man, Like, right,
he is feeling a lot of pressure about getting Ellie
to where she needs to be safely. He's feeling fear

(08:00):
of not being able to help her in the way
he needs to, failing her, or maybe something happening to her.
He's like having all these emotional feelings that he's stuffing down.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, I mean because it's not because at this point
it's not even just as close as he is with her.
I mean, there's the added layer of she could potentially
save everyone, you know, she she could be the cure,
and if she dies, that's it. You know that that

(08:33):
that whole hope that I think he's starting to.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Kind of embrace a little bit.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Is dashed. So much is writing on him getting her
to where she needs to be, and that pressure is mounting.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, it definitely is, especially now that in this episode,
for sure, we see that they have crossed the line
of he is now considering her family. You know, you
can tell that that's happened. Oh yeah, I won't admit
it outright, but if it's happened.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
And and then you know the scene in the campfire
before they get picked up, you know, before he falls asleep,
and you know, she tells him that she tried to
save Sam. Yeah, and the fact that she has held
that back for three months now and just now is

(09:27):
sharing it with him. You know that that just traumatized her,
that she couldn't save him.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Oh, definitely.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
And you know Joel was he was sympathetic.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
You know, it's like it's it's it's got to be
more than just your blood that you know, they'll probably
have to do things to it, and which is true. Yeah,
you know, it's not like a blood transfusion. Although if
that was it maybe easier. I don't know, but you know,
so there's all this, you know, they're having these moments together,

(10:02):
you know, where they're starting to share things. Yeah, and
then okay, if we find the cure, what will you do,
I'll be a sheep farmer.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Okay, like right, sure, sure, sir, of course we believe that.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Really Yeah, and then Herbie and Snarky feel all the love,
you know, but you know.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Know they get to the colony, they're like, look, look,
Joelder sheep, Look.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
You're gonna be right at home here.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Oh my gosh. Which, by the way, when that scene
where they walked into the colony, I was like pretty
impressed with like how the brothers came together again, like
you could tell, like you know, if you have a
seen a sibling in a long time, it's like that.
It's like they just hugged and connected and he missed

(11:05):
him and you could tell, you know, even though he's like, oh,
I was coming to help you, he's like, help me
with what I'm fine.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I came to why are you here? I came to
save you.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
He's like, you don't need saving dude, but okay, welcome.
And then soon they couldn't even make it a whole
day before they fell back into their old habits, right.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah. Well, and because in the you know, going back
to the first episode, you know that you know, when
he walks in the door when they're getting ready to
go to work, you know, they're kind of bickering, you
know at that point, you know about a lot of things,
and and the fact and even and then him getting
picked up in jail.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I need to be you know, be bailed out.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
And you know, in some ways, I think he might
be a little resentful of his brother because he couldn't
have been. I think he always he probably has in
the back of his head if I hadn't had to
go bail him out of jail. Could I gotten to
my daughter sooner and things turned out differently?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, I should have what it could is right, right,
but of course, and I'm sure that is made worse. Right,
it's worse. And when he finds out, oh, my brother's married,
he's married in Hey, he never even talk to me
about this woman. He stopped taking my calls, right, he
stopped returning my calls. And and then it was elevated

(12:28):
again when he found out he was going to be
a dad, like.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Oh, yeah, he didn't take that news real good.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I'm hoping I'll be a good father. Time will tell What.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Do you mean by that? You know?

Speaker 1 (12:40):
I know, but you know, honestly though, I think that
And that's and I think this is why Tommy apologized
about what he said back to him, because I feel like,
while that wasn't the most kindest thing he could have said,
it definitely wasn't the worst. Right. It was like, Okay,
clearly he feels a way, so he's not going to

(13:02):
be like, congratulations, man, he's not going to do that, right,
But he wasn't like you're an idiot, why are you
having a baby? You know, he just said, right, we'll see,
time's out right, we'll see. And yeah, like I said,
that wasn't the kindest thing, but it wasn't the worst either, right,
So and he went off like, oh, just because your
life stopped doesn't mean minds did.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
It was like, oh, man, here we go game.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, well, and you can, you know, because there's there's
a lot of underlying tension between the two of them,
you know, and like I said, part of it, I
think is because in some ways Joel blames his brother
for being you know, for having to go bail him
out and losing his daughter and also all the things

(13:51):
that that Joel did to keep them safe, right and
you know, and his brothers was not comfortable, which you know,
in a way is kind of surprising considering he was
a soldier. Yeah, you would think that he he would
have been the one, not Joel, that would have stepped

(14:12):
up in that capacity. But you know, so there's a
lot of this, you know, tensions from you know, both
you know, pre outbreak and post outbreak.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
But you know, so Tommy is quite different from Joel.
So Tommy's wife kind of says to you know, Ellie that,
you know, when they have this little titter, you know,
back and forth while she's getting her hair trimmed. She's
kind of warning her about Joel and she's like, you
know what he did and she's like, yeah, about killing

(14:45):
people I know. And she's like, well, what about Tommy,
he did it too, right, And the wife goes, well,
he was following Joel, not that he was like a
willing participant. He just followed him because he has influence
over him. And that makes me wonder because think about it,
even if we go back in the beginning of this story,
Tommy is the one that joins the Fireflies like he

(15:07):
wants to help. He's not. He more wants to help
than be this renegade right or off to himself off
in the woods. Right. He wants to be a part
of a community and he wants to help well in
their night and day in that respect that they deal
with things well.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
And Joel said the same thing that his brother has
always been a joiner. You know, he joined the military,
he joined the Fireflies, he joined other things, you know,
you know, like I said, you know, you know, pre apocalypse,
and you know, so he's Tommy's always been kind of
looking for his place in the world, I guess, And but.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
All sees it badly, like a bad way. And I
don't think it's a bad way, because even Tommy said
to him, like, look, there was more than one way
to do things. We just weren't good at the other way. Yeah,
he's not saying, you know, so it's like all Joel
can hear is Oh, he didn't want to do what
I wanted to do. He's a follower, that's it. He joins,

(16:08):
but he's not thinking about what he's joining or why
he's joining it, right, Like he's not like you in
that respect. So I don't know, I can see why
they clash. It's very obvious.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh yeah, I gotta tell you the the scene with
the dog m hm, I was going, oh, Ellie's gonna
get bit.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I was nervous. I mean, even though you know these
two are gonna be fine, right, we know this, I
still was a little nervous. I'm like, oh my god,
can he smell it in her blood?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well?

Speaker 3 (16:45):
And because there was you know, when when he approached Joel,
he really didn't bark or growl mm hmm. But that
whole time he's approaching Ellie, there is you know, definite
hackles raised and teeth Baird and then for whatever reason,
he went.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Okay, never mind, it's good. She's good.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
You know, Okay, you're cool. Maybe your personality is better
than the low Maybe there he's not trained that well
and her personality was better than whatever he might have smelled.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Well, or it could just be the you know that
she she kind of smells like him, but she doesn't,
like not exactly right, like just you know, just enough
to confuse him. Mm hmm, you know, kind of like
hiding the heroin in with the coffee kind of thing.
It masks the smell.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
So, but but I think that's part, probably part of
the reason that the dog was so on you know,
on alert at the beginning, confused by her, yeah, exactly,
and you could see Joel was freaking out.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, but he he was freaking out. But he did
not move, not one millimeter. You didn't speak, he didn't move.
Whatever happened was gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Well, I think he was hoping that if the dog
did indicate that she was, they'd have to let him,
you know, say no, no, no, this has been like
months ago, look show them.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
And he doesn't. He doesn't want to let everyone know.
Right In some ways, I mean.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I could see it, particularly if you're just being introduced
to a group and you don't know anything about them,
you definitely don't want to tell them, right m h.
But you know, it does kind of surprise me a
little bit that he decided not to tell anyone but
his brother in that situation.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
I'm not because I'm not surprised by that, because you know,
it was kind of understood, like people, the masses won't
understand this, they won't believe it, right, So I knew
he wanted to get him alone because he didn't want
to just share. Hey, look i've got this girl, and
he doesn't trust his brother's wife.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, Ellie doesn't either.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
See the thing is I could tell like you know.
So obviously Tommy has given his wife a picture of
Joel in her mind, and the minute she meets him,
she thinks she already knows what he's about, right, And
I think that Ellie picked up on that pretty quickly,
and she's like, Hey, he's my dude, and I don't

(19:32):
know you, so I'm going to defend him to you know,
to you and against you, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well, because she's.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Smart well, and and he has kept her alive, he
has kept her safe, and he has gotten her this
far and she knows she couldn't have gotten this far
without him. Although I don't exactly agree with him that
in all this time that they've been traveling together, he
really should have been teaching her more survival skills, absolutely,

(20:03):
you know, because she kept saying, I can't go alone.
And she's right, she's absolutely right. She doesn't have the skills,
but you know, in this four months period of time,
she could have learned a lot of them. You know,
how to skin and dress an animal, yeah, you know,
among other things. And Joel has been very resistant to

(20:28):
teaching her anything, which kind of surprises me.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
You know, that's the power.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
It doesn't surprise me because he is the one taking
care of you. He's the one that is that's his job.
He is very stern in his rules. So it's like
kind of amazing to me that after the fact, after
they left and they started their journey to where they
thought the fireflies were, now he's like, Okay, let me
show you how to do this, let me show you

(20:54):
what you know. So he's kind of changing a little
bit now. I think after he's kind of accepted the situation,
you know, he's taking ownership of what this is, like,
what kind of relationship they have. You know, I feel
like that changed in the moment when he could have
left and he didn't.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
You know, I think in some ways it kind of
happened when he was talking to his brother and he
unburdened himself.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
You know, I'm let's talk about that scene. And that
scene was amazing.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, because you could I mean, he was you could
see he was terrified. I have to protect her, but
I can't hear. You know, I'm getting slower. My reflexes
aren't as good as it used to be. You know,
she had to save me. You know what's going to
happen to her? You know, she can't survive. She has
to survive. She has to get to this place.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
But it's even more than that. It's more than Elie.
It's about him too. He says, I was afraid. I'm
not that I was. I'm weak, failing, Yeah, fail in
my sleep, right, So yes, it's about Ellie, but it's
also about him getting older, seeing his own mortality, comings

(22:09):
his own mortality, and he actually like sobs this, Like
he's shown more emotion and that scene than he did
when Test died.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
But but I think part of it too is Joel
has really kind of undergone a change since they first left,
you know, Boston. If he had just gone from Boston
to there, you know, or if they had managed to
make it there by evening, you know, this would that

(22:43):
would not be the Joel we see today, you know
that we saw in this episode. But he's he's had
months to spend with her and to spend with himself
and to realize that, you know, and he's really been
rolling over and it's been brought up quite a bit,
you know, the things that he has done. Yeah, and
and there's there's some guilt, you know, and and there's

(23:05):
fear and you know, this whole and and I even
think that community that they that they're now in, you know,
he's looking around and is so different from Fedra. You know,
this is happy people. This is people. You know, they're
well fed, they're taking you know, they're they're taking care
of each other. There's animals, there's horses, there's you know.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Enough night with popcorn.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, there's movie night with popcorn. And there's enough food
to go around. And you know, even when they were eating,
they were eating so fast, and I can't remember the
woman's name now. She said Maria. She's like, it's okay,
we have more, you know, if you're still hungry. And
you know so, I mean compared to her, what else

(23:50):
is they're sitting at that table.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
They look almost feral.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, they've been out in the wild quote for a
long time.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yeah, yeah, and but yeah, I mean it's Joela is
really he's having a.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Come to Jesus moment with himself.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
And being confronted with his brother's happiness. Right yeah, his
brother going to be a dad. It's like it just
all kind of I think that was the straw that
broke the camel's back and allowed him to kind of
release this to his brother.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
And you know, and then when he went and talked
to her, talked to Ellie, and and Ellie had already
heard them, you know, part of the conversation at least
mm hmm. And uh. She's like, you know, you're it,
You're my one constant, you know. And he's like, you know,
I'm never going to replace your daughter. Oh, don't go there,

(24:47):
don't go there. Yeah, And you know, there was that
was a really intense moment between the two of them,
because you know, she's like, I'm you know, you're it,
You're my safety.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Which is again part of the problem. He doesn't think
that he's up to the task, right Yeah, physically, mentally
he doesn't think he can do it. So I think
while he's being a little bit selfish in that moment,
I do think he feels because he can't be what
he thinks he needs to be to her, he'd rather

(25:21):
his brother do it.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
So, you know, it would have been better if maybe
his brother had gone with them to get them down there.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yes, I agree, I agree they needed some help, but
you know, the brother and I respect the brothers not
I mean, he was going to do it for him.
After Joel broke down, right right, he was like, Okay,
I really don't want to, but I'll do it right right.
So I respect that he let them go without leaving
because he has his wife and child to think about.

(25:51):
So I respect it, and I.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Do too, you know.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
I mean, it's there's a lot, you know, but at
the same time, the fact is is a lot of
the concerns that Joel had were real concerns.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
They are. Yes, you know, he.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Can't hear very well, which means he couldn't hear that
guy running up on him.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Oh, he's got some deficits, right, like serious ones. But
the fact that he has to be so secretive about
Ellie limits his options. So I don't know it's bad,
but I feel like if he will let her help
in the way she wants to help, they would be

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better for it together.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Oh yeah, you know, because you know, she's what thirteen fourteen, right,
and I mean, she could definitely help. She wants to help.
You know, she's you know, she's kind of annoying at times.
She's a teenager that, but she's not incompetent, and she's
not unwilling to learn, right, And you know, the fact

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that he has refused to teach her up to this point,
you know, reflects badly on him, because at any point
in this journey, something could have happened to him, and
it may not have necessarily you know, it didn't necessarily
have to be you know, you know, a person or

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wore a plant fungus. It could have been something as
as simple as he could have fallen and broken a leg, yeah,
you know, or been bit by a rattlesnake or orbed
in the gut, right, or stabbed in the gut, you know,
and she doesn't even know the first thing about first aid, right,

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you know, she has you know, she if nothing else
when they were writing away, she should have at least been,
you know, holding onto his wound. Yeah, you know, until
they could stop. I mean, it's not going to save him,
but it would have helped.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
It might have postponed him like falling down like that
from lack of blood.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, you know, and they could have when they got away,
then they could have you know, bound him up and
gotten back to the to the colony. But you know,
there's a lot going on, and I guess we know that,
you know, once Joel is better, And I assume Joel
will get better because you know, he's part of the story.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Although when he first like was like knocked out, I'm like,
are they I'll kill him? I said, no, not not now.
It's too early.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, not yet, not yet. Maybe later, but not yet,
not not yet.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's too soon. Obviously, somebody's going to help them out
of it, because I'm pretty sure she's not picking him up.
Someone's gonna come across them and help them.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, I'm kind of wondering if maybe his brother.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Doesn't show he came after them like.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you know, maybe I should.
You know, Joel really was concerned, and he is old.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
And which always pointed out. He's like he goes, what
happened to you? And the brother's like Tommy's like, what
happened to you? Like your ass aged a lot?

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, you know, because yeah, because Joel's like, it's
like you haven't changed at all, and he's like you look.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Ancient, right, you know, like what are you doing? Because
I mean he's living hard life, aging fast, and his
brother is like, got the that plush life, He's got
that easy life because in comparison to Joel's.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Right, yeah, and I they still didn't explain how because Joel,
you know, in their group was closer to Boston.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
So how did he end up all the way you know,
out west?

Speaker 1 (29:43):
I mean maybe he walked for four or five months.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Well maybe, but I mean, I'm it just it strikes
me as odd. I don't, you know, I don't quite
get why how Joel ended up staying there and in Boston.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
The Fireflies, remember, so he joined the group and then
that is why he was blaming Marlene. I think it
was an episode.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Oh yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
He left with them, and then that's when he said
in this episode, you know, when he stopped talking to him,
he was like, look, when I left them and came here,
I have to follow their.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Rules, gotcha. But I wonder how he ended up so
far away. I mean, I guess he could have been
passed from group to group going west. But yeah, because
I mean, right now, it's it's not that I mean,
you know, it's it's a jompt but it's not a
big jaunt to go from Boston to Montana. But on

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foot in these conditions, that's a hell of a track.
It's a dangerous track.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Let me just point like, and I don't know, like
sometimes these things pop in my head, and I know
you cannot make these actors look like they've lost twenty
pounds because they're already small. But if you walk like
that for months, in your food I'm sure is less
than fifteen hundred calories a day, maybe twelve hundred if
you're lucky, Uh huh, y'all all gonna be bones by

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the time you get where you're going. Oh yeah, brack
of bones, skinny because there's no way. But you know,
of course, I know I have to suspend disbelief because
these actors are not going to be like looking like that,
you know.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
So yeah, well, and it's physically, I mean it's it's
harsh on their on their bodies, and you know, I mean,
weren't the point right now where if it's really you know,
important to the story, they could always see gi it.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, yeah, that stuff. It's like you don't have a
lot of foods. You're out here doing this, you're barely
sleeping or not sleeping. Well, you know, like Joel looks
worse for worse for wear, right, he looks like yees
walk three months.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah. Yeah, Ellie doesn't look too bad. But you know
she's a lot younger.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, she's fourteen. If you're fifty something close pushing sixty
on the back half of fifty, I guess you would
look a lot older faster.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, because I'm here to tell you, I don't know
that I could walk from you know, from Kansas City
to Montana.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
I could just make sure I get a bottle of
advil with me, I get some mad belt.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
You know, it would be it would be a hard track, man.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I'd be before you.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I'd be limping and gimping the whole way.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
No, you you were your body would adjust eventually. It
might be like a rough four weeks, like the first
quarter of it. One third of it might be torturous.
But I gotta believe your body would adjust, right.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
I well, probably most people, but not me. Oh no,
I've got all that nerve damage in my foot. I'd
be limping and gimping the whole time. Oh jeez, it
would be awful.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, gotta find a car, yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Or a horse. Horse be fine, mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
By the way, speaking of horses, and I did not
go back and rewatch because I did not have time.
But when the people from that community found Ellie and Joel,
it looked like everyone was on a horse. When they
go back to the town, Ellie and Joel are on

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their own horses.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah. I saw that, and I was like, hmm, I
know they didn't what happened. I mean, it's possible to
get them back quicker because she realized, you know who
Joel's brother was. They may have just had two people
tell them to walk back.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
But why not make them share?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
It was weird.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
That was weird to me.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
I'm like, h you know, I wondered about that too,
and I just decided that, you know, because they were
going to be because they were running the horses instead
of walking them. They decided to give me each their
own horse because having a double rider when you're running
is bad on a horse.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
So that was that was my internal reasoning. It could
have just been hmm, you know, oversight.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Although, to be honest, the two of them put together
probably don't even weigh two hundred and fifty pounds together. True,
she's probably under one hundred pounds or close to it,
and he's probably one fifty if that, maybe one thirty.
He's a slim guy.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, then again, I don't have you ever ridden double
on a horse like that? I have not, No, I have,
and I'm here to tell you only one person fits
on the saddle.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, that saddle looked like it was built for one.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
So you're sitting on the hind end of the horse,
and you know what, as it goes forward, you're being
thrown into the saddle. So you the other reason is
you really don't want to run a horse double like
that because you're gonna hurt the other person.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Somebody's gonna be hurting. Yeah, it's gonna be the person
on the back.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah. Yeah, your your whole pubic area is going to
be a big bruise from hitting the back of the saddle.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Not fun.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Not a good time.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Not a good time, absolutely not, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
So you know, I just I decided to go with
They decided to be nice to Ellie.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
You met some yeah, especially you know when Maria was like,
oh this year, brother, so this girl must be you know,
let's not torture herd to death.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Speaking of Maria, I have to say I do like
how the show has addressed women's periods.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Oh, I have too.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I was gonna I was gonna mention that.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, because we had the scene before where Ellie found
the tampons.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Right, the pearls, good ones, the.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Pearls, the good ones. Yeah, I'm like, score, that is
a score. And now I'm like, oh, she had a
diva cup, which can I just say. I had to
we had to pause. I was watching this with my husband.
We paused, and when I said, oh, they a diva cup,
and he's like, what's a diva cup? I had to
give him a quick lesson on what a diva was.

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He's like, oh, okay, we like that's okay. Valuable in
the in this type of situation.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Oh yeah, you know there's silicon that lasts a long
time reusable.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yes, and you can usually use it all day and
night before you have to worry about it.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
I'mlike with tampons, Yeah, you can wear them up to
twelve hours.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yep, yeah, now I did.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Okay, I'm going to tell you something I did not
know and because of this episode. I was reading an article.
They were actually talking about the Diva Cup, and I
knew about it and everything. What I didn't know is
that apparently tampons go bad after five years.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Oh I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Apparently the way they're made that after five years there's
a high likelihood of bacteria or mold growing in them.
Oh yikes, I know, because and if you use them,
they can cause you know, toxic shock syndrome.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I just assumed that they were sitting there forever.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
I just assumed that, you know, they'd be fine. They're,
you know, supposed to be cotton based and stuff. They
should be fine. But no, according to according to the FDA,
that after five years they're they're considered toxic and they
should be thrown away.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Well, I hate to say it. But if I were
in a post apocalyptic world and it was risk it
trying these tampons or not, and we know what, not me,
I'm gonna be using the tampa.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
You know, I can't. I can't say that you're you know,
I don't agree with you.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I was just I was.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
I have to say, I was really surprised. I had
no idea that there was a shelf life on these things.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, I didn't know. I mean, most people don't even
get a chance to keep them for a couple months alone. Yeah,
but that's good to know. If you know, you ever
need to use a five year old tampon.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah, you know, the one that's been on the bottom
of your purse rolling around there forever, don't use it.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Don't use it. If you have to say when did
I buy these? How long has this been in here?

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Exactly? It's not post apocalyptic, girl, Just go.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Get another, throw it out, throw it out.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
So yeah, I mean, it was it was just one
of those things.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I was just really surprised about it because I, like
I had you know, I'm.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Fifty seven years old. I had no idea. No one
ever mentioned it to me.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
You know, But I think it's just because that's not
something people ever think about, like why would we tamp
on for five years?

Speaker 3 (39:04):
So yeah, I just I thought that was I found
that interesting. I thought i'd share with it. You know
everyone listening, Well, I think.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
They fully addressed it. So I doubt it's gonna come
up again, because once you have a Diva cup, you're
good for years and years and years.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Oh yeah, and I gotta say her reaction to it,
and she's playing with it, thanks.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
For the gift.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Oh, she'll be thinking her later. She will really be
happy she has that later.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Oh, you know, she will, she will. It was just, yeah,
you can tell that there's a lot of distrust between
between the two of them, or at least on her side.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah. No, because of how things were left. I do
feel like it's a possibility we can see these characters again.
I don't think we're done, you.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Know I I kind of feel like.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
I have this feeling that Frank told told his wife
and you know about Ellie m h and because why
else would the two of them, you know, after they've
tried so long, would would they walk away so fast?

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, he had to tell her something to explain why
he was going.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Right right, and I have a feeling that he doesn't
like to lie to his wife, and I get that
you shouldn't lie to your spouse, but I have a
feeling he told her, and I kind of think what's
gonna happen? And I don't know one hundred percent, and
we're not going to find out next episode either, I
don't think. I think if he told her, I think

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she may have sent Frank and maybe even a couple
other people there to make sure she gets to where
she's supposed to be. Because even if she doesn't like
Joel and he made it, you know, well, you know
she's cargo, and he really played off as you know,
she wasn't anybody, you know, he was just getting paid.
This was a pay job. But if she found out

(41:10):
the real reason, I think she'd be one a little
more sympathetic to Joel at this point and understand the
gravity of it, because she's she's pregnant, she wants she
would wants her baby to grow up in a world
without all of this.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
And I mean, obviously this is not her first child.
She lost a child.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
She lost a child, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
So and she would be well, we already know she
cares about children, right, in general. She was trying to
warn Ellie even though she didn't know the full scope
of things, but she was just going off the information
she had at the time, So yeah, she would be sympathetic.
I think once everything is revealed, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
So yeah, that's what I think is gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
I think it's gonna be Joel and maybe a couple
other people are going to, you know, find or not Joel,
but Frank and Frank and a couple other people are
going to find Joel and Eddie, No.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Ellie, Ellie. And you can't say it, Frank, Do you
mean Tommy? Yeah? I do. I'm like, Frank is dead.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
I know, and I don't know why, but I keep
thinking his brother's name is Frank and I and I
know that's wrong. And forgive me, guys, you know who
I'm talking about, the brother, the brother Tommy. Yeah, but yeah,
I think it's gonna be Tommy showing up with a
couple of people because I don't think he's gonna be
able to keep it a secret from his wife.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Now he's not not at all, And maybe the wife
might show up. I mean, she's pregnant. She looks like
she's about I don't know. You could tell a little
Tommy on her right now, she's.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
About four months.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah, she might just show up too. I mean she
out here riding horses, collecting people coming back, you know.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, and she very well could. Yeah, Like I said,
she she would be the one to see the big picture.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Maybe even more so, you know than Tommy or or
even Joel. She's a big picture kind of person.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
I think, yeah, because I don't know, but I have
a strong feeling that Ellie won't make it to the
actual flyirefly Fireflies cannot speak to that group until the
like last episode or something. I just can't see that
happening because we know next week based on the preview.
Next week is like a flashback flashback, and after that, yes,

(43:35):
so after that, I don't think she's going anywhere until
Joel is.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Healed and they're going yeah and there and now you know,
now they're all the way up in Montana. Now they've
gotta go down to Utah. The Salt Lake City. Why
would anyone go to Salt Lake City? M Okay, I
have a whole thing about Salt Lake City. Mostly it's
the Salt Lake. It steaks, you know, it is like

(44:01):
God's toilet.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
You know, I don't like it. Don't like it.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Well, it's I mean it's a you know, it's it's salty,
it's brainy, and you know, there's it's just a dead
nothing really lives in it, and now it's evaporating and
causing all sorts of problems.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
But yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Mean I've been out to Salt Lake a couple of
times and I I mean, you can smell it.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
It's like an outhouse.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Oh disgusting.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
It is.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Why why anyone would have settled in Salt Lake is
beyond me. Oh look, you can't grow anything here. You know,
the land is aird and you can't drink the water.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
It's perfect.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah, you know, maybe that's why they went there, because
no one else won't want.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
To Maybe, I mean it, I mean again, I mean
Salt Lake, it's it's it's aird, it's dry, there's not
a lot of there's very little fresh water.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
The Salt Lake stinks, and uh yeah, I mean it's
a desert. It's a freaking desert.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yeah. Well, I don't know, so I feel Yeah, I'm
pretty confident we're not going to be with them and
with the fireflies until the last episode. Yeah, and I'm
sure we'll get a cliffhanger. I feel like we're gonna
end on a cliffhanger if I had to guess.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Oh, absolutely, we're going to. They've already been greenlit for
next season and they know where the story's going, so
there's no reason for them to not leave us hanging,
so to speak.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah, so it should be interesting.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah. Wow, Wow, I'm telling you I have not really
had any major problems with any episode yet.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Well, it's it's tightly written.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Mm hm.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
There's not a lot of you know, everything is there
for a reason, and that there's not a lot of downtime.
I mean even when even in the quieter moments, it's
the plot development. You know, it's not just filler mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Although I do feel like, if I had to critique
one thing, I sometimes I wish there was a little
bit more zombie action. Like it's like, you you want
a balance, right, so you want it to be enough
that people are still excited and wowed when the zombies

(46:37):
come out, but you don't want to overkill. Well it's
just all zombies infet special effects, right, so you don't
want that either. So it's about balance and of course
getting good storyline and character development along with that. I
just think maybe we're definitely getting the plot right. We're
getting a well developed plot, we're getting well developed characters.

(46:58):
But if I, like I said, if I had to
critiqu something, I wouldn't mind seeing a little more.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, well, I mean we got a whole bunch of
them last episode.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Is they poured out of the ground.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, and then we didn't have any before that.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, well, we had well first and second episode, and
then we haven't seen any since then until last episode.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
But well, we'll see some next episode because they're going
to that mall, so we'll see something next episode.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
And I think, you know, part of it too is
also you know, the the fungus is pretty much sticks
around to where people are mm hmm. And as they're
getting further out west, which was a sparsely popular you know,
it's sparsely populated now right, it's even more so. I'm
sure at this point. You know in the show, just

(47:51):
you know, small pockets of people here and there, So
there's really there's some, but there's not a lot of
them out there because you know, they're they're sticking around
human habitation.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Which is also lucky for them, Like really, but that
that can mean, well, we just stay away from big
cities and generally we're fine.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not like they it's not
like they're going to Miami.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
So although I mean and really even in Utah it
you know, Salt Lake City's big, but most of the
areas of rout it are pretty desolate mm hmmm. A
lot of military bases out there.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I guess that's by design then, because they don't have
to worry about you know, like with other shows, you know,
The Walking Dead, as we've been you know, we've been
reviewing for years, zombies everywhere everywhere all the time, because
they're drawn by different reasons, for different reasons.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Right right, and the fungus is a little more intelligent.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
M h So, yeah, I mean there's if they're hanging
out in the middle of nowhere, you know, kind of
defeeds the purpose.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
You know, they want to be where the people are,
like the Little Mermaid.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
So I'm curious to see, like, I mean, so they're
averaging like every other episode we get a little zombies
of you.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Know, yep, And and I'm pretty sure so next week,
looking at the previews, we're gonna see how Ellie got
bit mm hmmm, how that whole thing went down, and uh,
you know, get a glimpse of her school life. And
I've been hearing rumors that we're gonna be we're going

(49:42):
to see your mother. Oh okay, yep, because that's part
of the storyline too from the from the video game.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
But yeah, there's we're going to see your mom.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I can tell you. I can tell you a rumor
on why why Ellie's a immune.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Okay, let's hear it.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Okay, So, uh, her mom was bitten and while she
was in labor with with Ellie, and she managed to
not turn before it before having her Oh so they
think that it might have happened, you know, like a

(50:25):
was given basically an immunity booster against it, because you know,
there's but.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Did her mother turn? Yeah, okay, so you have a
crying infant.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
She wasn't alone, mother, She wasn't alone.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
So you know, this would have been.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Not terribly far into the you know, apocalypse, it would
have been what five years into it. She was with
a group, she was with a group of people when
she was bitten.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Hmmm.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
So they that's nothing confirmed, but the the but that's
been a lot of the the assumptions has been that
Ellie got her immunity because her mother, well she was
pregnant with her was bitten.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Okay, I mean I can I could buy that story,
you know, I could buy it. Hmm. Well, if that's
the case, I hope they show it. I hope they
show us that. I don't know if they would, because
she would be an infant, and whose point of view
would that be? Someone that's not alive? Yeah hmmm. I
guess they'd be telling us through a story. Someone's telling

(51:33):
a story probably mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
So yeah, So, but the they said that they've seen
there's some still pictures out of a woman holding a baby,
and they're pretty sure that that's Ellie and her mother.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Oh my gosh. Okay, so we'll probably get that. Heck,
maybe even next episode. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, wow, Okay, I'm excited for next week.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah me too.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
I gotta tell you, I kind of miss like when
we're on the on the Walking Dead, we could watch
it early if we wanted to. I know, we were
really good about not doing it, but kind of like God,
I wish they had that option with this show, because
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I'd watch it early and i'd watch it again, you know, if.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I'd watched it twice, because I watched it last night,
but like today, I was working so hard today I
did not have a moment to watch it again. Yeah,
and I would have if I had the time, I
would have.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Yeah, I was. I was thinking about doing it, but
I just I ran out of time, and I'm like, well,
I didn't really watch anything after that, so you know,
there there wasn't anything, you know, any other shows or
anything that were I was.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
I wouldn't confuse it with same. I didn't watch anything
else after that. I haven't watched TV since last night.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Well i'll take that back. I watched uh uh last
week tonight with John Oliver, but you know, there's no
there's no way I was going to confuse the two
of them in any way.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yeah, I did not watch that. By the way, I
usually wait until like the next day anyway to watch it.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
So well, it came on after you know.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I know, but I went to bed. I'm old, old ish,
you're way younger than me, but you know, my my
body loves the sleep. You know, I stay youthful because
I get so much sleep. Pro tip.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Oh oh, that is that how that works? Yeah, I
might have to try that sleep thing at some point.
It's probably right up there with the eating thing too,
you know, throwing some exercise to next.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Right, and and I did that too. After work, I
got my exercise on, I came home and ate dinner,
and here we are on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Look at you go doing all the thing, all the
adulty things there.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Look at you.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
I try eating, sleeping, exercise, God, a responsible adult.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
I know. I want to be able to walk for
three months if I have to.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Just okay, there's a there's an apocalypse. I'm just I'm
just gonna compound my neighborhood. Okay, I'm just gonna put
a big fence around it so I ain't gotta go nowhere.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
I get it. I get it.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
All right. I think that I think we're about done
for this this week, don't you think?

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yes, I agree, we are finished. You guys, please leave
us comments. Let us know what you thought about this
episode of the Last of Us. And this episode we
want to hear your feedback. Yeah, don't forget to like
and subscribe before you go, and we'll catch you guys
next week. Take care of yourselves, Hi guys. Bye bye,
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