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Speaker 2 (01:56):
Lisa, absolutely tamor. This is a conversation, not a dissertation.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, no scene by saying breakdowns here we jump around
and of course, huge spoiler alert for the TV show.
We didn't play the game, so don't worry. We won't
spoil anything on that front. But if you're cool with that,
this is the place for you, and we should jump
right on end because we have two episodes to talk
about today.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
This is true. This is true.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, we're gonna do episode seven and eight and hopefully
we can manage to keep them separate, but who knows,
you never know, we could try.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I will say that both episodes seven and eight pretty
much circled around Ellie m HM. Joel was there kind
of in the background, but both episodes were very much
focused on Ellie.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yes, and I think that is by design. Oh no,
I have my own theories, but it's more important for
us to know and connect with Ellie than it is
for Joel. And you can take what you want from that.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Well I will.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
I do that.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
There's a lot of spoilers going around based on the
video games.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
M hm, so uh, and I haven't seen them, but
I have a strong suspicion.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, I've accidentally read some spoilers and well that and
my boyfriend let the cat out of the bag before
I watched the first episode.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh no, okay, okay, we won't say anything else. Sorry, y'all.
If y'all know, you know, if you don't we want,
we won't spoil it.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
But it's everywhere. I mean, they're pretty, they're everywhere you
know about their what they think is gonna happen with Joel. Hmm.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
No TV shows have deviated from source material before, so.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
But I will say that the show, from everything I've
been I've seen, is very closely following the video game.
Now they are expanding on things, yeah, you know, kind
of like with the the Frank and Bill episode.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
That was what they're following the path.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
But they're following the path.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
So but you know, I kind of suspected. See the
reason why I suspect it was not because of the boilers,
but because of Disney. I bet Disney said, sure, go
ahead and do what you want, but as long as
you're locked and loaded for the Mandalorian forever. So nothing
that takes too much.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Time, right, So I mean it's but I will so
jumping into episode seven, Yes, so we got that we
have wounded Joel and she's managed to drag him to
a basement and she has no idea what to do,

(04:43):
and he's telling her just go go back find my brother,
and and we we we finally see how she got infected.
You know, the with the flashback there, I will say,
because I know that you and I have in the
past have complained about the way they've used flashbacks and
other shows, but I like the way they've been using
him in this one.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, and actually we got the Okay, So the reason
why the flashback worked for me is not only did
we get to see where it all began, but it
supported why she would not give up on Joel, right,
why she would not leave him. So it tied together.
Wasn't this sporadic you know, thro shit in there for
the sake of throwing it in.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
It's all connected, well, and I've a lot of times
they're flashback scenes. They're not like five or ten minutes,
they're an episode. Yeah, so there, you know, it's a
story unto itself, right, and which I think makes a
big difference to that you're delving into the psyche of

(05:45):
what is making a person tick. Because if we hadn't
had the big you know, flashback with like Frank and Bill,
we never would have understood what that town was and
who what they meant to Joel, or what their significance
were other than hey, we got a truck from them,
and you know, because it's a world full of dead people.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
But well, you know this also like you know, the
whole thing. At the end of that episode, you know,
her her friend, her best friend, he much says, look,
we don't give up. We don't we have two hours
or two days, right, We're gonna fight. And so that
is something she took to heart. So she's not gonna

(06:30):
give up in whatever. Even through episode eight, she's not
giving up. Yeah, she's not calling it quits. Ever, so
that resonated with her, and I think that's gonna be
like a staple for her, like throughout the entirety of
this series.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Well, because you know, when the episode first started, you know,
you know, she's listening to a walkman and just kind
of shuffle along in the you know as they run
when everyone else is passing her mm hmm and uh.
And the fight ensues and she's like, your friend ain't
here no more, I don't need my friend, and just

(07:08):
busts her, puts her in the affirmary stitches and yeah,
rather pleased with herself.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Too, as she should be, I mean, honestly, so it
seems like her friend has always been the one defending
her always, you know, the boisterous loud, you know, the aggressor, right,
and they had no clue Ellie had that in there, right.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, I think that up to that point, you know,
because her friend was older. Yeah, she was already she
was seventeen, she was aging out of the you know,
the the orphanage program into she had gotten her assignment.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Which was a crappy assignment, literally, yes, and.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
You know so, I mean she she was bigger, she
was older, and you know, had been protective of Elie,
so up to that point really probably didn't need to.
She obviously had been in trouble before, because when she's
sitting before the commander, he's like, you know, this is
you know, she'd been in the whole three times already,
mm hmm. And but it, you know, it also kind

(08:13):
of shows this whole how the system is working. You know,
you can be you know, one way or Another's Ellie
stayed in that city. She was going to be a
soldier period. Okay, she didn't have a choice in that.
It just depended on what kind of soldier. Was she
going to be an officer who got to have the

(08:34):
good meals and the heat and the winter and the
air conditioning in the summer, and the good meds, you know,
and the good life, or was she going to have
the ship job that her friend got.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Although, which is weird because do you remember in the
first episode, Joel was asking for a job and he
said what pays the best, and it was that job
shoveling shit basically.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
And well it was the debt Chevey the Dead, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, But I think that was like a That's what
I wonder though, like, because you know, Riley would have
gotten that bad job. Maybe it would have paid more,
because it seems like they pay more to the jobs
that no one wants to do. Although she would not
be in the position to give orders, you know what
I mean, I wonder if she would have made more money.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
She I mean, she pretty much told Ellie that, you know,
it was gonna be a crap job with crap pay,
you know, in barracks, and you know, it was gonna
be minimal. It was going to be slightly above the
civilian population because at least it was a guaranteed job
you didn't have to sign up for. You were, you know,

(09:47):
guaranteed quarters, guaranteed food. It wasn't going to be the greatest,
but you you were guaranteed it. Yeah. But that it
was only a step above civilian Yeah, and you know,
because with the civilians it was you know, there was
no such thing as a as a regular job. Every

(10:08):
day you signed up for something.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, that's true. And after all of that, though, it
was so sad to me, like you could tell, like
they had like an interesting friendship, but you could tell
pretty immediately from an outsider's point of view, that they
liked each other.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Oh yeah, well, and I think part of it is
is I mean Ellie's young, and.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Like, what fifteen is that right? At that point in time.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
I don't, well, how old is she now because I
was thinking she was only fourteen?

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Well, I don't think even a year has passed since
the beginning of it.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
About it's been about four months.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, so I think she's like fifteen, honestly.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Okay, and you know, so she but you know, her
friend's seventeen mm hmm. And I don't think Ellie's ever
been kissed. I think I also think that she's been
You know, the girls are are pretty much separated from
the boys. They I don't think they're giving a whole
lot of freedom. They do sneak out, but you know

(11:17):
that's not it's frowned upon. But yeah, it's it's a
very sequestered life. And you know, and she has these feelings,
you know, for her roommate, but I don't think, you know,
up until she found out she was leaving, did she
find the the courage to even try and act on it.

(11:42):
Because you can see her the whole time that she's
with her that that kind of where she kind of
starts to speak and you know, and then she pulls
herself back and then she starts.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
To nope, no, you know, yeah, Honestly, if it weren't
for Ellie like stepping up and just taking the chance,
they Riley clearly wasn't going to make the first move.
It wasn't going to happen. They would just if they
would have said goodbye in this awkward way.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Right, yeah, you know so, I mean I think both
of them were very felt, very awkward. They didn't want
to be rejected. Mm hmmm, you know, I mean, oh,
fear rejection. God, especially as a teenager. Oh that's hard.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
I even think back to when you were a teenager
and you might have liked someone and you don't know
if they like you or you like someone that is
a friend, right to take the chance. Hell, even adults
don't want to do that with adult friends. You know,
like if you take the chance and you read it wrong,
that you've ruined a friendship.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Right well, and and here's and you know with that
added layer of teenagers are mean, yes, and rejection can
be brutal. Indeed, you know, you someone that you think
that you're really close to, and you know, if you
read the read the room or all, you know it
could just I mean, it could ruin your social life.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
M hm, you know, I mean her social life's already trash.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
But but I mean, you know, it breaks up, it
can break up your social circle. And at this point,
she's Ellie's only friend. Really, you know, you can see
that nobody else really likes her. There she doesn't have
she doesn't talk to anyone else. She's not there's no
one else that comes to her, you know, jumps up
and says, whoa. I mean, she's on her own. Yeah,

(13:28):
and so you know, to to take that step and
take that risk. I mean, she's literally gambling everything.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
But you know, I wonder if this is the time
that she chose to gamble it because her friend had
been gone for weeks. Yeah, so she doesn't have any
other friends, and what's what could what's the worst that
happened her friend disappeared for another couple of weeks at
this point.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, no, because she she didn't say anything until after.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
I can't remember now if she said that after she
said she was did she kiss her after she knew
she was.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Leaving or before it was after it was?

Speaker 1 (14:05):
In all the more reason, what's what's.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
The risk exactly? You know, at that point. It was
you know, it was a do or die situation literally,
and you know, so it was and I can't what
what was her friend's name? Do you remember? I mean,
and obviously Riley has been thinking about Ellie. You know,
she set this whole you know four well five, you know,

(14:30):
with the escalator magical things, and and she has gone
through and you know, she had fixed the carousel so
it would work. She had you know, Pride open the
quarter things so that they could play a video game,
and she had practiced on the video game.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I know that was so awesome. You know, she love
that scene, you.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Know, yeah, I mean she found the joke book that
you know, you know, the Pends that Ellie loves so much.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
And that was a really sweet date.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
It was, That's exactly what it was. It was a date, yes,
m hm, you know, but Ellie wasn't sure, you know,
this was her friend and you know she was showing
her around. But it was a date, it was.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
But it's a goodbye, which sucks, like right.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
You know, So it was I mean, you know, there
was a lot of planning that went into that.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
So, and and Riley even said that she had tried
to get the fireflies to let her take Ellie with
and they said no, right, you know, so she was,
you know, even thinking about her before. And we also
find out that Ellie wasn't all that impressed with the fireflies.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
No, because you know, at that time, it's like she
just got finished drinking the kool aid, so to speak. Right,
she just had that sit down with the you know,
headmaster type guy, and he's telling her what are life
could be, what she could.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Have, you know, and she's thinking, I mean and she's
looking at it. She's like, you know, air conditioning, heat,
good food. Yeah, nice place, you know, sounds you know,
sounds pretty awesome. You know. We also find out that
you know, she's you know, you know they all along
everyone's she's very very smart. You know, there's you know,
she has leadership skills, she has what it takes if

(16:24):
she chooses to do so, you know, she's just been
a problem child throughout right, and you know, but uh,
but yeah, it was you know, and honestly, I don't
even think I don't even think that it was just

(16:47):
just drinking the kool aid at that particular point. I
really don't think she she thought much of the fireflies
I think she.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Thought that they were dangerous and basically terrorist.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
And and her you know, and she kept telling Riley,
we can change it from the inside. And that's when
Riley told her, I've got ship detail. Yeah, how am
I going to change anything?

Speaker 1 (17:13):
You can't from that seat, right.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
And you know, and and I and I really think
that shocked Ellie because I think Ellie thought that she
was on the same trajectory as herself. You know.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
I wish we kind of got a little bit more
on why that was given to her, like neither than
to me at surface level what seems obvious. I would
like to know, like was she about student quote unquote
did they like not? I mean, like, what was it?
How does she get stuck with that?

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Right? And I was curious about that too, And I
wish they had delved a little bit more into it.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
But yeah, I mean and like, but it was a
shock for Ellie because I think she had this idea
in her head that the two of them would become
officers together, would have this good life, you know that
together and uh, and that was all kind of dashed
when you know, Riley told her.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Everything, not only that, so they're having a great time
from the line through the mall, and of course the
whole time I'm waiting, I'm like, Okay, when's the other
shoe gonna drop? Right, it's gonna drop, because there is
no way you can have this much happiness without it
being like totally demolished. There's just no way this show

(18:41):
is going to allow that. And then we see there
is one of the thingies whatever they're called clickers whatever.
I don't know what they're called. I think was it,
I don't know, but he's sitting there and I'm like, wow,
she's been living So Riley's living in this mall for weeks,

(19:02):
for weeks, and I guess she's never been loud enough
to wake well.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I mean they were yelling and you know, laughing, and
I mean they weren't being quiet. Yeah, and when you're alone,
you do tend to be more quiet. Mm hmmm, just
because there's no one to share the noise with.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yes, even when playing a video game, you're gonna be quiet.
There's no excitement, you know, there's no well I've heard
some people yell at video games, but in general, you know,
you're the energy isn't there right.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Right, So it's more muttering under your breath.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
So if you're not, you know, and you know there's
no no person on the other side of this video game.
You know, there's no Internet, there's no anything. You're playing
by yourself, so you know, maybe in an occasion woo,
but you're not really exuberant about it because there's no
one to share it with. But when Riley brought Elliott,

(20:00):
there was someone to share with.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
I mean, they were kind of being allowed all throughout
that place.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Right, And I don't think Riley thought too much of it,
because again, she'd been there for weeks, and you know,
the fireflights had supposedly gone through the whole building and
checked it over. How they missed this guy, I do
not know.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I don't know, because it was just like in a
a It wasn't hidden.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, he was just in one of the far hallway.
He was in the hallway, in one of the the
back rooms that wasn't really well lit.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
But and maybe they weren't all that concerned because they figured,
you know, again, generally people by themselves don't make a
lot of noise.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, so wild right, so that thing comes for them,
and when he does, it's like, oh, it catches them
off guard. They're like dancing on top of the you know,
display in a good old time and then oh surprise. Yeah,
and that was a fight. That was a that was

(21:00):
a tussle.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh yeah, and they were so I mean, they so close.
You know, it wasn't you know, he it hadn't really
gotten the best of them, per se, just unfortunately got
him enough.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, like with the adrenaline running like you know, when
Ellie took the thing down, she jumped up like yeah,
you know, she was like, no, you're not right.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Although I gotta say that was a hell of a
kill shot. Yeah, it was, you know, so, I mean,
you know, and it's kind of funny because when we
see her with Joel, you know, he very much has
wrapped her in swaddling and you know, and here she is,
I mean, she's she's not incompetent. Of course, she's geared

(21:54):
entirely towards city living, so she doesn't know how to
survive outside of the city. But she's not entirely incompetent.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
So she's a smart kid, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
You know, she's smart, and she's she's strong, and you know,
she's willing to do what needs to be done.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I think part of that. You know, she's had that
training as an officer. They're running laps or whatever they're
doing in their little training stuff. So she's not a
complete weakling, right, she can defend herself exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, you know, And and it was it was kind
of interesting because you know, so this is prior to
you know, meeting Joel and stuff, and this is her
being you know, strong and confident and well maybe not confident,
but you know, she she didn't run away. No, yeah,
she didn't leave her friend behind. And she could have.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, she could have ran, but she didn't.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
But she didn't. And you know, so I mean she
she's loyal and you're courageous because you know, courageous means
doing the right thing, even when you're terrified. Oh yeah,
and so she was very courageous, and so it was
it was really interesting to see her be so strong

(23:14):
after watching Joel basically again wrapper and swaddling and not
let her do anything.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
I know, it's like he started like tour at the
end there, he started teaching her a little thing here
or there, but he really could have given her a
lot more, oh yeah than he did.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
You know, four months on the road. You know, he
could have he could have made her much more of
a survivalist. But I get the impression that part of
the reason he was he didn't is he was trying
to preserve what little.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Was left a child. You shouldn't have to childhood.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, and yeah, this was his way of trying to
preserve her childhood and and and it's admirable, but it's
not realistic either.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think it was a little misguided because again he's
thinking of like, not on purpose, but in his subconscious
he's comparing her to his daughter the whole time. Oh
and this is what is he will want for his daughter, right, right.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
So because it's brutal, right, and I think he was
trying to keep her from that brutality just a little
bit longer.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
And he's seen some stuff. Yeah, she want to see
some more in the next episode. But at the end
of this episode, though, if it wasn't for Riley, they
would have Allie would have killed herself mm hm. And
she would have never learned that she was immune.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, And I mean, and you can kind of see
after she got bid, you know, basically just going through
and destroying that entire shop, had Riley sitting there and going,
I think you missed one right over there.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Look she was that was a rage, she like raged.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
You know, and I understand that feeling when you are just.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
That you feel hopeless, like you did it, you got
you know, and this is what happens, like happen hey man,
right Like I understand that, you know, she high emotions.
She thinks she's gonna turn to one of these things.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
You know, it's just well and not just her, but Riley,
the girl that she loves. Yeah, you know, and when
things you know, they they had their very first kiss.
And and not only that.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
She told her not to leave, and she said, okay, exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
You know, so everything was you know, for for like
this one brief moment, and it was so brief. She
had everything she wanted.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yes, and that one second it was all taken away.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yep. And I think so it wasn't just that rage.
I don't think was just because she was you know,
possibly going to sorry, she was concerned she was going
to die. It was everything she had wanted was just
ripped away in that one moment. M h. You know,
she couldn't even console herself with but I saved Riley.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
No because she's gonna die too.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, you know, it was just everything was lost after
a perfect date even you know.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I know, it was like such a perfect time and
then just trashed like.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean she was she was feeling it. Man.
I am kind of and I am a little bit
curious because they didn't you know, they just kind of
faded out of the flashback. But how the firefights found
them and if and I'm also wondering if Ellie had

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to kill or if it was the firefly.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
I'm wonderfu we'll go back and here. Maybe we don't
have to see it, but maybe Ellie can tell it
at one point, you.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Know, because I think that's I think that's important for
her character development to know which it was, whether it
was the fireflies came upon him and Ellie was still
you know, coherent, and Riley had at that point had
the shakes and was mute, or if Ellie had had

(27:29):
killed Riley and was just waiting to die yourself.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Well, if she killed Riley, if she had to, that
means Riley probably tried to attack her. She would wait
till the last, the ninth hour to try to do
anything to her, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
And That's what I'm saying. That she had turned and
you know, she defended herself, which would.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Mean that would be so sad because that means an
episode five, that means that would have been the second time,
like you know, someone attacked her like that, you know.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, yeah, you know. So I I really I'm curious
which it is, because I think I think that's important
to know how she died. If it was by Ellie's Hanner,
was by the fireflies, mm hmmm, because by the fireflies
would still be hard on her. Don't get me wrong,

(28:22):
it would be hard. But if she was the one
that didn't, oh, that would be devastating.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
That's I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
I guess I would.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, that's guilt.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, she would like to know. But I feel like
maybe she didn't because at the time that we met her,
she she didn't seem like in a lowe you know
what I mean. She was mouthy, she was you know, witty,
and she just didn't seem like she just killed her
friend the other day or you know, the other week
or however.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I took a lot of that as bravado.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
She was fifteen year old. Is that good?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Well, I mean she had no idea what they were
gonna do. She didn't trust the fireflies. She was scared
to death, and I you know, and even I'm sure
she was even wondering, am I gonna turn this? You
know what is going on?

Speaker 1 (29:21):
So when the fireflies had her, her wound was healed. Yeah,
so clearly she knew she wasn't gonna turn anymore, right,
I don't but the timing of that, like how much
time had passed between those two situations.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah. Well, and we also know that when we first
saw Ellie she was chained up. She was not friendly
with her captors.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, this was not She had not warmed up to them,
and they were not warmed up to her.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Which just makes me also think maybe they did like
quote unquote rescue her away or something, you know what
I mean, Maybe they did rap her, nap her went
in there, you know, because that's where they hit their bombs.
Maybe they've been in there and saw what was going on,
and yeah, you know napped her.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Well, because we do because we know from Riley that
they were coming the next day to ship her out.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
So them there there were while they're waiting in the mall,
it's not probably gonna be but a couple of hours,
maybe maybe up to twelve. I'm not sure they were
gonna think.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
It was coming on the morning when because remember Riley
was talking about she had to get back because she
had to be there for practice or whatever the hell
they had going on.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
No, Ellie had had to be back at the school
for yeah, and then Riley was waiting to be you know.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
What I said, did I say, Riley? I met so
because Ellie was the one who was leaving, she left
and came back. She was almost out the door and
came back. She's like, I need to go. So I
think it probably was closer to I don't know, maybe
four to six hours after if they came back looking
for Riley to take her.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
That's why I said, I don't know if they said
I can't remember if Riley said they were coming for
in the morning or the evening, but I knew they
were going to ship her out that day, So you know,
that's you know, it would have been you know, four
to twelve hours after they were attacked, depending on what time.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
And I don't ever, I don't think we actually have
seen how long it takes because like Riley says it
two days, you know, two hours or two days, right,
So I don't think we ever have had like a
clear you know, Okay, you die and then you turn,
you know, or you turn after you know. We've never

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gotten clarity on it's kind of murky.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Ho. I think it depends on the person. I think
it's it's individualized. Because the little kid he was attacked,
it was night and by the next morning had turned Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Uh so that could have been five hours or that
could have been eight hours. Right.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
So my guess is is they probably came for for
Riley that evening to ship her out because my guess
is as they move at night.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Well, then think about though, like back to the first episode,
that old Granny she turned fast, seemed like a couple
hours maybe if that, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
So, I mean, but age, yeah, you know, how how
infected they are. I'm sure there's you know, it's kind
of like the flu. It hits some people really fast
and hard, some slow, some not at all. Uh, you know,
So I think it's just I think it's individualized. But
my guess is is if Riley and Ellie were both

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still alive when the fireflies found him, Riley was far
enough along that there was a distinct difference between the
two of them m hm.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
So maybe they'd take her out.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Maybe they did, you know, because if if it had
only been like an hour or so, it wouldn't be
that unusual for both of them to still be talkative.
And because they weren't, you know, it's not like they
were planning on looking for people that were immune. So
either Ellie killed Riley and told them what happened m hm,

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or Riley was pretty much gone at that point, but
she was perfectly fine.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, well, I guess we'll have to see. Hopefully they'll
reveal that and won't just you know, drop it. Maybe
we'll get a little titbit later and find out how
that went down. That would be nice to know. But
I liked that episode, I really did. It was a
good one, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
And then and that it segs a weight segways nicely
into the next one because Joela is still hurt. Yes,
And but at the end of episode seven, you know,
that's when she comes back from her her deja vous,
She's like, no, I'm gonna save him, And so she's
searching through the house for anything she can and she
finds needle and thread.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Oh man, I'm like, ouch, that's gonna hurt. But he's
just got so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
No, he was, he was awake, I know, but he
says so.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Much pain already. I'm like, he'll probably just pass out, like.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
And I think he eventually did. But you know, there
was a determination there.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, and she said she's not gonna let him die. Right,
she already lost one person at this point. It was
clear to us from the last episode six and she
thinks Joel is her new person, right, Yeah, so she's
not gonna let him die if she can help it.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, and she was her importance. She does, but at
the same time, she's still not putting her survival above
anybody else, you know, for the ones that she loves.
And she loves Joel at this point. You know, she
she has a strong connection with him and he's been

(35:20):
and I think part of that too is the fact
that they they have been in each other's company day
in and day out, twenty four hours a day for
four months now. And that's that is a lot of
bonding time. Whether you want to bond or not.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah, it's bound to happen. I mean, unless one of
them is a complete awful person.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
It's gonna happen, right, And even at that point, you know,
you can get to, oh, what is it the I
forget the syndrome? Now, oh when you're you.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Know, when you like your captor.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, you know, I'm just saying even that, you know,
so that going too, But I don't think that's it. No,
you know. So Ellie goes out and she's like, you know,
she's the last of their food, and Joel's not and
he's getting worse. You know, he's got a fever. He's
more out of it than in it, and.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
He's got an infection from that yeah wound.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
And so Ellie decides, all right, I'm gonna take the
gun and I'm gonna go hunting. Yeah, and trying to
and and she remembers, you know, she when when she
found that deer, Well, first she got really excited about
the rabbit.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Which was a better choice. I'm like, how's she even
going to get that deer back?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well, honestly, she doesn't have to get the whole deer back.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
She just has to get yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Know, she could have you know, taken a haunch or
something and you know, left the rest and it's not
like it would go to waste per se. Yeah, so
I but I don't really think she was thinking that
far ahead. She was, we need food, and this is
food and it's right there.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
And you know she, you know, took the gloves off
and cited it in and took the deep breath and
the whole thing, and she did she did good job.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, she did get it. So of course she's gonna
go after it. Oh, it does surprise, surprise some one's
already the two people are already standing over at the deer.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah. And we had started off the episode with this
other camp and it took me a did it take
you a few minutes to realize that that was a funeral? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:40):
I thought, I'm like, is this the church service?

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, that's what I thought too. It wasn't until the
little girl says, when can I bury my daddy? Then
I realized, oh my god, this is a funeral. Yeah,
where's the body? You know?

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Well?

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, yeah, and when he's and he's reading from revelations,
you know, that's a good one to read at a funeral.
And after she asked that question, he's like, you know,
I think you know this one's getting a little old, like,
you know, we all understand, and maybe he needs a
new material. Man. Yeah, but I gotta tell you, he

(38:23):
was creepy to me for the minute I saw him
on screen, and he just got creepier throughout the show.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Same like from the from the minute he was talking.
I'm like, oh, here we go. He's a looney tune, Like, yeah,
what's wrong with him?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
And I will say that this is kind of a
trope on almost every single post apocalyptic show. If you're
if you're a cult leader or religious leader, you are
a bad man. Yeah, and there I mean there are
a few exceptions, but I mean even Father Gabriel though,
you know, until he got in with this group and stuff,

(39:00):
he was a bad man.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
He was bad, but not like this, right, like this
kind of bad.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, he was a coward, you know, but this guy
is like but religious leaders in the after the apocalypse
tend to be terrible human beings.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
He's trying to hook up with children.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, but I mean we didn't know that at the time,
but even just but you had to but you had
to wonder because after the service, you know, he's talking
to his right hand man there and he's like, uh,
you're still with me, right, I need you. I need
to know that you're behind me. I might be I
feel like I'm losing the flock. I need to know.

(39:41):
So at that point, you know he's up to something shady.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Oh yeah, And I think it really came home right
after you know, they went out, they find Elliott all
this stuff. He says, you know, we skip ahead a
little bit. They come back, and then the little girl
of the father who died. He's like, you know, obviously
outright aged that they didn't just kill her. They yeahn't

(40:04):
and he just he call cocks her like damn. He
just like that girl on the ground. That happened so fast.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, I know you think you don't have a father that's.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Like this is awful. I'm like, I'm like, oh man,
this is not good. She's going off and he is
gonna make her pay for that, and he does. And
I'm like, oh, this guy's bad, well and really bad.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
And you and and it makes you wonder because so
all the women there are very uh submissive, So you
gotta wonder what all's.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Going on going on? Yes, because not any of them,
no one stood up and said, what the hell are
you doing. Don't touch her, you don't. No one came
to her defense.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
No, no, no one even moved.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
No.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
And then and then she he fed her her dad.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah, okay, look, can I just say worst cook ever? Like,
who the fuck takes raw meat? And I think they
told her it was deer meat? Dear, yes, but who
the fuck takes raw meat and puts it in stock.
You're not gonna sear the meat. You're not gonna do shit,
but just throw raw meat into stock. That is probably

(41:19):
the nastiest soup they ever ate. Well, I mean, but alone,
it's probably not dear meat. It might be a mix
of deer meat and other meat.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
I mean, if you if you simmere it for hours,
you can make a you know.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Like a There ain't no simmer for hours.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I know, I'm just saying. I'm just saying you can
do it then, but yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Mean, and you have to.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
I mean, I mean it was brown, so I guess
it was cooked.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
It was cooked, but nasty, no flavor, I guarantee you.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Well, yeah, because I'm looking Okay, we all know I
hate to cook, but I'm looking at that soup going,
I don't care how little food you have you can
make a better stew than that. Yes, all right, it's
even in the winter. I mean there's a couple of
carrots in there and stuff too. But I don't know.

(42:10):
I guess in my brain, I'm going, oh, oh baby,
come on, we can do a little better than this, right.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yes, you can do a little better than that. My god,
you gotta stove right, yeah, cooking in the wilderness. You
have some supplies. You just needed protein. But I don't
think they were eating straight human meat. I think they
were eating a mix as they you know, as the animals.
Like whatever they had of the deer was.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, well, because they did kind of do a quick
inventory that they were what they all they had. So
they had a couple of rabbits, they had a part
of a deer left what was it, They had some
a couple other things. Yeah, they listed like four or
five things, but it didn't you know, basically, they had

(42:59):
enough food to baby lit last a week.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Man, they've been incorporating humans into that food.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
To me, yeah, because when we did see the the
slaughter house, that was a lot of humans.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Oh my god, Oh my god. I'm like, you know,
it's probably part of the reason his ass so crazy
eating human people? Doesn't that make you like crazy? At
least that's what I hear. Anyway, I don't know if
it's true.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Okay, So there's you know, mad cow disease. Yeah, it
came from feeding cows to cows. Uh, you can get
the same thing from humans eating humans. It can cause
the neurological and it's you know, mad human disease. I guess, but.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Well, maybe that's what he has. And he was already
crazy because he tells Ellie like, oh, we're like, you know,
after he captures her, he's like, oh, you know, I
can see the basically the violence in you because I'm violent.
I'm like, oh my god. So, like, just to skip
ahead a little bit. This scene where he is talking
to her and she's in there and he I'm like,

(44:01):
you don't know what you're doing, sir, you don't know her.
And he puts his hand in there. I said, oh,
don't do it. She's gonna attack you that minute. I said, look,
she's gonna do something to his hand. She touches his hand.
I said, oh, no, it's over for you. She does
she breaks his fucking finger.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I gotta tell you. I mean, that was pretty good.
But I think since she had my thought when she
put both of her hands on his like that, I
thought she was gonna gang him the arm all the
way through the bar and then you know down.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah, I didn't know she was gonna break his hand
in that way. But I'm like, she's touching you for
a reason. Oh yeah, because she's falling for your bullshit.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Oh yeah, you knew. I mean, there's no there was
no way she was going to fall for that.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
No.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
You know, we we have established Ellie's a smart girl.
You know, Yeah, she thinks, she thinks on her feet,
and you know, she's she has been through a lot.
Mm hmmm, so she's not easily intimidated. But I think
this may have been the first time she's come across
the person like him.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Oh, definitely, definitely, she was, Like I think she was
traumatized by that interaction with that guy for sure, because
that point where you know, after she throws the log
and if the place starts catching fire, first off, I'm like,
why did you throw the log? I would wait for
his ass to get on me and out through punched

(45:27):
him in the face with the log. I would have
hit him in the face with the burn log, but
she I.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Didn't understand why she didn't didn't just throw a chair
to the window.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I don't know, but she threw the log. The place
catches on fire. Of course he catches her when she
tries to stab him, you know, well, she does stab him,
but he catches her. And I'm like, oh no again,
I think I read too many thrillers and bad books
or something, because I'm like, I know what he's gonna
say to her, and he does. I'm like, you're scirmming around,
fighting and he likes it.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I knew immediately this is my favorite part.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
This is so gross. I was like, oh my god, I.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Cannot take it.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
God.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Well, and you could see that he, you know, back
in the cage, you know, he was talking, you know,
as he's talking to her, You and I I'm like, dude,
you are talking to a teenager. You and I I
need I need another shepherd. I don't need another sheep.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
You know, like your team, let's be a team. No,
that's not what that is.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, No, that was you know, he he wasn't looking
for an quote unquote equal no, but he wanted but
he was hoping that she would take the bait.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah, it was. Yeah, that's what he was hoping for,
because guaranteed, had she had agreed, she'd end up like
one of the little sheeps in his flock. He'd be
knocking around and doing whatever to guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Oh yeah, because you know, this is a time where
you don't because he's not stupid. If he was stupid,
he could have kept these people together as long as
he But you don't offer someone like Ellie, you know,
a subservient position. It's you offer them the high pedestal

(47:12):
and then slowly pushed them off, you know. And I
imagine that's what he did with a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yes, but can I just say that scene when Aleet
is the upper hand, she beats the living daylights out
of it. I'm like, he looks like Chopps Suey, I'm
sure of it.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Oh yeah, Oh my god, I said, I think he's dead, girl,
He's dead.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
He's dead. Well, you know, at that point, I mean,
she was pretty fairal yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
She was rightfully, so I get why she was. I'm like,
oh my god, it was shocking to see though, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, and so what you have a lot of that
is it's that it's the adrenaline and the fear and
you know every you know, at that point, you know,
there's been so much build up and as soon as
he was dead, it had nowhere to go. And so
she just took it out on the body, you know,
because he did. Yeah, And and I mean and it's

(48:13):
a very human reaction.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Absolutely, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
And and again I mean this this had been building up,
you know, since the time that she had been captured
by that well actually even before. This has been building
since she found them in front of the deer m
So this has been this, you know, this escalation of
you know, fear and anxiety and everything, you know, all

(48:39):
the bad, terrible things, and that kind of culminated at
that moment when you know, right before she had killed him,
when he's like, you know, was it something about love
isn't supposed to her or love isn't supposed to bring
fear something like that. I don't remember now some.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Shit he said. I'm like, shot man, Yeah, you know,
what are you saying?

Speaker 2 (49:01):
They don't understand the fight? The fighting is my favorite part.
Oh he was sick, bastard.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I'm like, I was like, oh my god, even you know,
and that was husband. We're watching, He's like, oh damn.
Like even he was taken aback by those words, I'm like,
oh yeah, surprised by this, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
You know. And and so you know, I mean there
was just I mean, she was she was wound, you know,
I mean ready to to snap. She was wound so tight.
And once she killed him, I mean, there had to
be that release. She had to, you know, I mean,
there was no way she was just gonna stuff all

(49:40):
that stuff back down. Oh okay, it's that I can walk
around way now.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
And you can tell, like even when she ran out
of there and Joel caught her, and you know, you
could tell she was still she is rattled. She's probably
will be for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah. And then you know, and Joel got you know,
when he's holdings, you know, holding her, and he puts
that blanket or blanket or as code or whatever over
and he's like, it's okay, baby girl, I got you.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Look I said, okay. So when Joel okay, So before
she leaves Joel to try to fear these men away,
she gives them the knife. He's like, if someone comes
down here, you fucking kill them, right. So he finally
starts to rouse, you know, when he hears someone coming,
and obviously the antibiotics start working because he was able
to get up and defend himself. I'm like, oh, he

(50:24):
isn't full on daddy mode now because torturing people.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
He is, like, we're seeing the old Joel now.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Beyond that, because now he has a mission. He's like,
I need to get her back, right. He knows they
have her and he's gonna find out where she is.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
And and the fact that he didn't kill either one
of them, he just disabled them and has them tied up,
and then jabs that knife into his knee.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Oh god, and he's like, I'll pop your knee cap off.
I'm like, oh my god, don't do it.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Oh he'll do it, you know he's gonna do But
and it's funny though, because he pulls out the map
and he does the same thing that he did with
the Indian couple. But it was that was kind of funny.
This was not funny, but it was almost. But it
was almost word for word what he had said to them,

(51:19):
you know, show me, and it better matched with what
you know the other one says.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Because he knows that works in it to get the truth.
He yeah, he probably used that more than one other time.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Oh yeah, you know that this is a trick that
he has used before in the past and this other
and so he finds out where they are and he
just straight I I honestly, I thought he was initially
gonna leave them tied up. I don't know why, but no, No,
kills him and it goes over to the other guy.

(51:50):
I don't you know, I'll show you where we're at.
I'll tell you anything you want to know. He's like,
I don't need you anymore. Wam.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
He's like, already already got the information, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, and just straight up kills them. And it is
interesting to see that, I mean, because what started this
whole thing was the guy from that encampment attacking Joel.
Well actually was going after Ellie but ended up getting Joel.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
And my guess is is they were trying to kill
them so they could hang them up for me. Yes.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
So, which is wild because they are all like kill them,
they killed such and such, you know, but they were
the aggressors. They were being aggressive, and then what do
you think is gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (52:36):
You know, like, oh yeah, I mean, if they could
have I'm pretty sure what it would have been if
if Joel had not been able to stop this guy.
You know, the the end game was, you know, to
capture Ellie or even kill Ellie and Joel and the horse, because.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Everyone wanted to kill Ellie except the crazy preacher guy.
Mm hmm. Everyone else wanted to just kill her. They
were going to just kill her, and then I caught
them and stop them, right.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
You know. So, But you know, as for that community
killing Joel, Ellie and the horse, you know, if they'd
done it back in the university, they could have drugged
all of them back, hung him up, you know, and
that would have fed him for quite a while. Yeah,
the horse alone would have fed him for quite a while.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
And because bigger enough there, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
But you know what I think I like most about
this episode is I feel like, heading into the season finale,
which is next week, yeah, I feel like we have
fully completely turned the corner. We see Joel is full
on in his protective dad mode, and I feel like
he is over trying to pretend that they have any

(53:55):
other kind of relationship than the one that they do.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, but this but actually in this, I mean last
episode two, but particularly this one. It wasn't Joel that
saved her. She saved Joel herself and then she saved herself.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Right. No, I'm not trying to say that he saved her.
I'm trying to say that he realizes through the efforts
of trying to find her how he actually feels about her.
That is like a kid to me.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Oh yeah, but what I'm but you know, the relationship
dynamics are, you know, because he has been trying so
hard to protect her and and to keep all these
bad things from her, and has been you know, in
a way wanting her dependent on him to to to
protect her.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
But it was.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
You know, she was able to not only protect him,
but save herself. And so I think for her, you know,
once she gets over some of the initial trauma, it's
going to change. Their dynamic is going to change a lot.
And you know, he's he's looking at her as a daughter,

(55:02):
and she still very much sees him as a as
a father figure, you know, her protector, but she she
also knows now that she can protect herself, right.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
And actually, I think this is going to be a
good thing because, as we talked about before, you know,
he was kind of like trying to shelter her, but
I think that he probably won't be doing that anymore.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Yeah. Well, and part of his anxiety was he was
thinking that her entire safety rested in him, that if
he faltered, if he you know, if he couldn't be everything,
that something bad would happen to Ellie. And this showed
him that, you know, something bad did happen to him,

(55:52):
and they both survived.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
They did by the skin of their teeth, to be
quite frank, honestly, she got out of it, but just barely, you.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Know, And I'm not saying that they weren't scraped up.
But at the same time, you know that that anxiety
that that Joel was having, you know, that everything was
absolutely on you know, that that if something happened to him,
she could not survive. Is it necessarily true?

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah? And he sees that now like there's no denying it.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yeah. And I think that will help because I think
that's part of what was kind of paralyzing him, was
that anxiety, you know, because he was having full on,
you know, full blown panic attacks, anxiety attacks. And while
bad things did happen to him to her, they did
both survive, and they did manage to find each other

(56:43):
and get out of their lives. I do. I also
found it kind of interesting that entire building was on
fire and not a single person in that town came
to see what was going on.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
I know, like, where are all your quote unquote people,
what's happening?

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I mean, I will say all the menfolk had been killed.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
A good majority of them have been killed.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Ye, yeah, because there weren't that many men there. I
mean there were, there was a group of them, but
they were all with you know, crazy China. Yeah yeah,
so and so they're all gone. So it was pretty
much just the women and children at that point. Not
a single one went huh, buildings on fire.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Perhaps they must not be allowed out of their rooms
in the daytime or some crazy something.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
I just I really, I do that whole thing with
the fires going, I'm like, not a single person's yelling
fire or you know anything, nothing.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
The whole place was going to burn to the ground
and no one's gonna try to stop it. I mean, honestly,
when Ellie threw the log and you know, the curtain
caught fire, I'm like, you should stop and try to
put the fire out. Yeah he didn't even he didn't pause.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
He's like he did he did pause. He kind of
looked at it, like, no, nope, yet, Nelly's more important.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
What's more important the fire or her? You know?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (58:03):
But still, I'm like, you're gonna let the whole place
where you like cook your food and stuff just go
up in flames.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Eh, Well, I guess there's a I mean, I'm sure
there's other buildings they could have used. I guess I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah, I guess when you're a predator, you can't think
of anything else besides yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
I mean he was. I mean from his point of view,
I mean, there's a couple of things going on here. One,
he saw her as a victim or saw her as weak,
and and then he thought he could manipulate her. And
then she broke his hand, and then she scared the
crap out of him. She's like big.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
He liked all of it. Probably so he probably was like,
oh she he said, you're like me, you're violent like me.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
He probably was.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Nobody he can go around or too with. Honestly, he's crazy.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Right, but I mean it's sick. But I think he really,
I think he there was that moment where he was
terrified when she told him I'm infected, you know.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Oh yeah, just for that half a millisecond, you know,
and she got just a couple of seconds to kill
that other guy.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah, you know, but I mean she bit him good too,
Yeah she did. And uh, you know, so at that point,
I think it was no matter how it ended, he
was not gonna let her go. You know. So fire
can rage and everything else, but the priority is get her. Yeah,
nothing else.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Mattered, which is why he had to die the way
he did.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Oh yeah, mm hmm. And yeah, I mean it was
I mean, that was a really intense episode.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
It was it was like, wow, I just cannot believe.
And so going into the season finale, I think this
is the first time I have ever said about a
show between that we've both talked about that I like
that entire freaking season has not been one episode that

(01:00:02):
has been weak or pointless, not one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
This is I mean, it has been a brilliantly, tightly
held together story.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yes, it's so good. It's like, that's why I kind
of you know, obviously, this season has already been approved
for you know, season two, right, we know that they
might even start filming season two this year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Ye, but they they have said that they are not
going to go past the video game.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Right, which is kind of what I was leaning into,
is that I think this is why this show will
be so great through the end, through the end of it,
because we know HBO in the past has had a
horrible track record. Once they run out of source material,
they go left right. It's bad, and it is now.

(01:00:55):
I think they've kind of learned the lesson, right, they
plan to stay on track with what has been published.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, that's it. Well, and the creators of the video
game have said that they're almost finished with the third one. Yeah,
so by the time they finished, they wrap up season
two and YadA YadA, they'll have the third game pretty
much finalized, so they'll be able to move on to

(01:01:24):
the third season.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Well, I'm curious because I know, I personally feel like
season two will be a lot different than season one.
And again, I have not played the game, so I
don't know for sure, right, but just my guessing, I
have a feeling it won't be similar at all. So
I'm curious to see what it looks like. You know,

(01:01:45):
how they proceed, Well, we're so good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
We do know that Ellie, there will be a time
jump in the next season, she'll be nineteen, I think, is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
What she'll be playing her real action.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Her actual age.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
And uh, she's such a tiny little thing. Everyone towers
over her.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
I saw this thing where they were saying, like, for
most of her scenes this season, they had her breast
taped down because she would look a lot younger.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yeah, and I didn't developed. Yeah, she's just short, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Honestly, even in this episode, after seeing like she looked
older to me playing this this last episode, her face
looked older, her expressions looked older, But she was dealing
with something very serious. Right. She wasn't trying to be
funny and childlike, right, right, She's look different, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
So you know, so we know that, you know, again,
next season she'll be you know, playing your own age,
shall be about nineteen years old. Yeah, and you know,
and we know that. We know at the by the
end of this episode, as soon as he put that
blanket on her and says, I got you, baby girl. Yeah,
we know that their relationship is very different.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
So yeah, I'm curious to see how.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
They ad she adopted him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah, and I am curious how they how they're gonna
end this because like you said, we don't watch, we
don't play the video games, so I have I have
an idea of how the scope of this goes, but
I don't know the actual ending, and I want to
keep it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Same, So I think either one of two things are
going to happen, because I feel like either because with
video games even I think it's kind of like TV shows,
you may or may not get another one, right, depending
on how the sales go with stuff. So if the
video game ended on a cliffhanger, we're gonna surely get
a hit cliffhanger. And if the video left it kind

(01:03:50):
of ambiguous, it's going to be the show to make
the choice to give us a cliffhanger or not, right,
So I don't know. I don't know. I'm just looking
forward to seeing what they do. I'm not gonna whatever
it is. I'm sure it'd be brilliant, honestly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm not going into the season
finale going, oh God, what are they gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Oh? Isn't it refreshing? I'm telling you, very so refreshing
to feel this way about a show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
You know, and and and I'm really enjoying it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Yeah, you too, all right, I think we should in there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
What do you think, Lisa, I think that sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Yeah, we'll be right back here next week to talk
about the season one finale. So we'll be here with us.
It's gonna be a good time. You're still listening to
the sound of my voice. Thanks for listening to the
entire episode. Don't forget to like and subscribe before you go,
and we will catch you guys next week. Take care
of yourselves. Hi, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Bye bye.
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