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Speaker 1 (00:31):
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to the podcast, we are laid back in our review style,
right Lisa.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Absolutely, Tamor. This is a conversation, not a dissertation.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yes, no scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around
and of course, huge spoiler alert for the show. We
didn't play the game, so we won't be spoiling that
for you. But if you're cool with that, this is
the place for you and we should jump right on
in to episode nine, the season finale called Look for
the Light.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Dun dun dum, dun dun dung. Yes, So were you
happy with the finale?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I was happy with the finale overall, I think after
so I watched it, you know last night, I was
gonna watch it again, but I just got too busy,
So I think after I had a little bit of
time to kind of settle in. I think, oh, I
think it was a little rushed to the finish line.
I'm like, well, they could have maybe made one more
(02:48):
episode and flushed it out a little more. But that's
just me being a little critical. But yeah, overall, you know,
I didn't really have any issues with it. What about you?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
You know, I will say that was like the fastest
forty two minutes I think I've experienced here lately. I
mean really, I mean, I'm just like, Wow, we're done.
And because I mean, I think they honestly, I think
they could have fleshed it out a little bit more,
you know, I mean maybe it's more closer to an hour,
(03:21):
but really, I mean it moved. I mean, there was
no you know, there's something going on pretty much every
second so that you utilize every second of this episode,
So I can't complain with that. And I did like
the opening, you know where we got this, you know,
you know, we got the flashback to you know, Ellie
and her mom and man the actress they got to
(03:43):
play Ellie gotcha or Ellie's mom. She looks so much
like her.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
She does, and did you know she is the actress
who voices her in the video game.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yes, I did know that.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, I was just a way to get her in here.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah I was, you know, I mean I was really
happy with that, you know, because at first I thought,
did they flash forward? Is this Ellie? You know? I mean,
because it really was you know that that look. You know,
it didn't get a real good look at her face
to begin with, because she's running and you know, her
hair's in her face and stuff. But you know, the
contours of her face were really close to Ellie she does.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
They do look similar. And the actress Ashley Johnson killed it.
I mean she is running, moaning in pain, she's having contractions.
I'm like, girl, that baby gonna fall out. Well now
that baby damn near fell out.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But pretty much, welly got popped out. I guess yeah,
you know because when the you know, the the fungus
dropped on her, you know, and then she killed it.
She looked down at the baby was there, So I
guess that's one way to have a baby.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I mean, she was in so much I guess stress.
You know, she didn't even realized the baby was right, like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You know, I will say because I watched that scene.
I rewound it and we watched it again, and I
don't know. I mean, I know she got bit on
the thigh, but I really didn't see where how it
bit her, you know what I mean, because it seemed
to lunch for her face. But I don't know. Maybe
I don't know, I miss something. And I also, you know,
(05:23):
and the fact that her name wasn't Ellie, you know,
when she was born.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
It was She did say, you f and tell him
Ellie when she was old in her and yeah, we're
crying bloody murder.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But when she when she was first born, she called
her uh Medalie Melanie hmm. Yeah, I because I know
this because I rewound it three times to make sure
she called her metal. I have a hard time with
that word.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I can tell.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's kind of like cinnamon, you know for some people.
So Melanie, you know, I'm like, so.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Maybe Ellie is short for Melanie. M hmm.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
That's what I'm thinking. Either that or they, you know,
I don't know. They just called her that. She's never
heard anything else, because the only time you hear is
when she was first born and her mom says that
to her, and I don't know, you know that there,
you know, there was a whole conversation about a name
or not. So, but you know, I thought that was
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I mean, I really thought that scene. I mean it
was it was tense.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It was like shocking. I'm like, oh my gosh, she's
like getting up stairs. She she's moving. I'm like wow.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And she was expecting people there too, because she's calling
out hello, Hello, and then she goes up to the
second floor. She puts a chair under the door. I mean,
she does everything she can.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And if they were there, she probably wouldn't have gotten bit.
They would have they would have killed it before it
got to her.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, you know, and then you know, so you know,
Ellie is born. And the thing of it is is,
at the time they she really didn't know for sure
whether she was bit before or after Ellie was born,
because you know, there was that moment where she was
in labor and then she had the baby. But I
don't think she knows quite when she had the baby.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Right, But I think she was so serious, like seriously
sure when she was talking to Marlene, specifically because she
thought Marlene probably would try to kill the baby if she.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Thought exactly you know, if they if they thought for
a minute that the baby was infected. Yeah, and I
don't think it was a really great idea for her
to use the same night Knight that she used to
kill the fungus to cut the cord.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Look, she was desperate. The only other things she could
have did is used her teeth.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, I know, she didn't know anything.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Else, And everyone in the audience would be like, oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Right, you know. But the bad thing is is because
she did use that knife, and she used it without
cleaning it off even you know, so the baby could
have gotten infected just by the cord.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And she did well, we don't know because it seemed
like it was so quick, but you're right, using the knife.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Probably didn't help things.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, it didn't help things. So she was trying to
move fast, I get.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I and I understand because she
was trying to sever her connection with the baby to
try and you know, because I know that she what
she was hoping is she was born before the bite.
But you know, and and again you know that there
is a certain barrier protection between you know, the with
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the placenta. So I mean, which we obviously see Ellie
was kind of infected, but not really infected, and it
wasn't activated until she was attacked. Prior to that, they probably,
you know, she I'm sure that they've tested her multiple
times because they test them all the time, right, So
(09:10):
it wasn't until she was actually bitten that the the
immune system she had kicked in.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Ye kind of activated with that mm hmm. Yeah, that
was wild. And that scene, you know, after Marlena comes in,
I keep saying, Marlene, I'm thinking of a woman from
Days of Our Lives. This is Marlene. She comes in
and she's looking like, oh no, and she's you know,
Anna's telling her you pick her up, yeah, and then
(09:41):
you kill me. And she looks like she doesn't want to.
She looks very in denial about it until she kind
of orders her to do it. She's like, we've been
friends for how long? You're gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
For our whole lives?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You know? So, I mean that's a long time time, be.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Friends a long time, and that's can you imagine that's
got to be very traumatizing to kill your best friend, oh,
lifelong best friend.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, you know, but I guess it's better than killing
the baby. And then our best friends.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah, in the order of things.
And uh, I mean, honestly, if I were the one,
if I even thought the baby could have been infected,
I still I would have been the person. I'm gonna
give Hope a chance. I'm gonna wait until this kid
turns before I do it. Yeah, I'm not gonna risk it.
(10:37):
And just I'm not gonna do it before.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Right, you know, because while the mother was starting to
show signs, you know, the baby was still appeared healthy
mm hmm. And you know, of course there's probably a
good thing it doesn't have teeth. They find a wet nurse,
you know, that would be that'd be awkward. So you know,
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but then we go forward and we're seeing basically Ellie
just staring off into space. And Ellie was really out
of it the whole episode, if you think about it,
except for the one time when she's looking at the giraffes.
You know, uh, you know, Joel had to call her
name like two or three.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Times and in his own still and you know, so
she's she's not really I think she's really she's processing
her trauma.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, and and you can see and it's and it's
funny because Joel has kept her at arm's length, and
now he he has embraced her as you know, his
you know, as his daughter, and now she's just not
there and.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Doing everything he can to try to pull her kind
of back. Right, He's talking to her, he's sharing stories,
he's shying of like and really engage her in a
way that he's never really done before.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Right, you know, want to play boggle? You could really
beat me at this game. You know, Hey, look at
chef boy r D. I mean, just you know, the
whole there was all these little things and you can
you can see he was struggling to because now that
he's decided that yes, I care for her, she is
you know, she is my daughter. And at the same time,
(12:23):
she because prior to that of you know, the event
of last episode, you know, Ellie had been the one
that kept reaching out and saying, hey, look at me.
You know, you're my protector. You know I care about you.
You're you're the one constant in my life. And now
she's just kind of I think she's she's tired, and
(12:48):
and she and she's really kind of I think she's
gotten a little fatalistic.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Honestly, I think she just needs a beat, right, Like
she just needs a minute to catch her breath. I
think that was very traumatizing that had just happened to her, literally,
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I mean it's it's probably I'm gonna go with it's
been a couple of weeks or so because they were
in the middle of winter and now it seems to
be spring. And while they are in Utah and Utah
doesn't get quite as much snow you can snow in Utah,
so you know, I mean it's so it's probably been
you know, at least probably a month because Utah doesn't
(13:28):
get cold.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, but yeah, we can't forget the girls like fourteen
years old, and you know that stuff weighs on kids
in a different yeah, and adults.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And I don't know that she's you know, I don't
think she has actually talked to Joel about what happened,
because generally on the showy they either have it as
a flashback of the conversation or they have the conversation,
and they didn't do that. This time. It was all
Joel confessions, right know, I try to kill myself and
(14:02):
I failed. Yeah, you know, and he talks and he's
talking more about his daughter, which is very unusual for
him because up to this, up until this episode, he
really has been reluctant to say anything about her.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, I think, you know, again, it's by I think
he knows he needs to do something. Yeah, and he's
going to have to give some things of himself that
are a little uncomfortable. But he's going to try, right.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, He's trying to reach out to her and and
and connect to her, you know, in a way he's
never tried before. And you know, in some ways it
might actually even be making her a little uncomfortable because
after the attention she got from you know, the cult leader,
(14:52):
you know, and trying to process through that, Joel's change
of behavior might be a little disconcerting to her as well.
Maybe consistency man people feel that though.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I felt like she kind of knew what he was doing,
which is why, you know, when they get to the
you know, she calls out where he wants to go
right to view the scope out the scene. Right, they
get up there, and he asked her, so, I said
everything you hoped for, and she's like, you know, kind
of replies in that same manner. You know, you can
(15:24):
tell that I feel like she you know, it's a
little cute callback to the second episode when they were
kind of having that banter before. But I do think
she knows what he's doing, and I don't think she's
bothered by it.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I think she's I don't think it's bothered in a
way like it's you know, the saying that you know,
people don't don't want nice, people want consistency mm hmm.
You know, and Joel has been very very consistent in
his in the way he talks to her and how
he acts towards her and how he treats her, and
(15:58):
you can see in this eppenisode it is very very different.
It is, and I don't it's not necessarily a bad thing,
but it's also a shifting of their relationship at a
time that she's trying to deal with, you know, something
fairly traumatic.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
So but you know what we also don't get to
see because again we like we come in and like
you said, and maybe it's been a month, a couple
of weeks, right, we don't know. Maybe he's been taking
a few weeks to warm up to her, and now
he's at this point, he's been talking a little bit
by a little bit, and now they're here.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, and that's very possible as well. You know, but
you know, she kind of gives them these looks every
once in a while, you know, like okay, yeah, like
when he shows her the boggle, you know, I mean
she it wasn't that she didn't appreciate it, but she
kind of gives them this a little side ey.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Okay, you're being a little weird, but okay.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
But okay, But I honestly, I think one of my
favorite moments of this whole thing was when she goes
nuts Joel, you gotta get up there, you know, and
they're chasing giraffes.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
That was the cutest scene. I'm like, wow, you just
run into this random draft. How cool, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And and then you you know, when they get higher up,
they can see that there's this herd.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Of them little family.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, you know, there's probably like twenty of them out
there in that field, and I'm obviously gonna go with
the zoo they escaped. Also makes me wonder what else
is running around.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So like they've been out for a while, they probably
had some more little draft babies and everything out there.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Well yeah, but I'm saying, if the Girafts got out,
what else got out.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Oh oh.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
You know, I mean there could be lions and tigers
and bears. Oh why yeah, literally, yeah, you know, but
it was you know, you know, and you can see
because Joel had some understanding of zoo and am you know,
he's pulling the leave that he's handing it to her.
She's like, what are you doing here? Beat him? You know,
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and I feintsed her app but they're really cool, oh
you know. So yeah, they're calling her. That giant tongue
came out and she just started laughing, and I don't know,
I thought that was just one of the one of.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
The break moment. You know, she kind of broke out
of it her funk for a minute.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
In that moment, it was really cute. Leave it to
a cute animal to like bring joway.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Oh yeah, because like I said, you know, I think
the reaction would have been a little bit different if
she came face to fair with like a face to
face with like a grizzly bear, you know, having a
whole different thing.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Unless it's a baby cub, then it'd be so cute.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, except there's a yeah, you know, tries to kill you.
Yeah exactly. Yeah, you know, but so you know, and
then you know, and that moment of levity is you know,
you can see it. It's continuing on and they're you know,
they're walking and talking and Joel confesses some more and
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then he's like, you know what I need, I need
some puns.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
It's like, oh, I got jokes.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I got jokes, you know, because she because she had
admitted that, you know, the first person she killed, and
now we know it was her, it was her friend,
it was Riley. Yeah, you know, so that answers that question.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, we were wondering last week, well did she do
it or did someone else do it?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
So yeah, and it was her and you know, so
you can you can see that that's all been kind
of weighing on her. And I think part of it
is that that the number of people that have died
to get them to where they are.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, I think she's feeling a little hopeless, like, you know,
like what is the point of my life? Right? Like
what I'm here to do one thing and we need
to do that thing. Because even Joel's like, hey, we don't,
we don't need to continue this. We can stop, right,
you can go back to Tommy. So we can and
she's like, no, you know, hey, we've done all this,
We've been through all of this. I know you want
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to protect me and you have, but we need to
do it. And she's like, I'll go wherever you want after, yeah,
you know, and it's the moon wherever, because you know,
I think.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
At this point she feels that she needs to pay
it forward for everything that she has taken.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You know, and I know, and she knows that it
wasn't her fault that she had to kill Riley, but
that was her first love, her best friend, you know,
her confidant, and she had to kill her, and you know,
and then there was Joel's girlfriend you know. Again, she
(20:50):
didn't kill her, but she died to protect Ellie.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, she was trying to protect her and she felt
guilt about that.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Right you know. So you know there's a you know,
there there is a death toll that is stacking up
to get them to where they need to be. And
even you know, the deaths of all the people there,
you know, with the with the crazy cult wouldn't have
necessarily died if they hadn't a run into Joel and Ellie.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, she had to kill a couple of people, mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
You know, and you know, in the brutal way that
she killed them what was his name, David? I think, so,
you know, the brutal way she killed him was just
you know, probably now that she has the adrenaline is
gone and everything else, that there's probably a little bit
of guilt for it, not now that she killed him,
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but the brutality of the way she killed him.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
You know, probably didn't think she had that in a.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Right, you know. I mean, if if she just killed
him and walked away, there'd be one thing. But man,
she I mean, she just kept hacking at him, you know,
and that's probably a little hard for her to I mean,
because that was probably a brutality she didn't think she had.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah. Yeah. So and then of course then Joel, you know,
they're really sharing a lot on this trip, you know,
he confesses that he, you know, like you said, he
tried to kill himself, you know, And I think the
point of that whole him telling her was that he
probably thought she was depressed and was wondering, what's my
life worth? Right? All of this and he's like, you know,
(22:29):
she goes. I guess time heals all wounds. I guess
and he's like, it wasn't time that did that. He's
talking about you, Ellie.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You healed that exactly time, you know, because there it
had been twenty years time and it had not healed.
M It's only been in you know, the last couple
of months with him traveling with Ellie and Ellie Ellie
needing him but not being completely dependent on him. I guess, right,
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you know that she and I don't even want to
say that she's a substitute for his daughter, because I
don't think he thinks of her that way.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
No, he's she's a different daughter.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, you know, this is her not a replacement daughter, right,
not a replacement, but a second daughter, a second chance
even hm. But but not you know, he's not looking
to her to replace the daughter he had, right. But
he wants to tell her about He wants to tell
Ellie about his daughter because now that his wounds are healing,
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he can talk about her. And this is probably the
first time in twenty years that he's talked voluntarily about.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Her, right absolutely, So.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You know that's you know, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It is a big deal. And I think, uh, she
realized that, you know, I think, which is.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Why she told him about you know, that she had
killed Riley.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
She did mm hmmmm hmm. Yeah, Oh my gosh. So
they get to, you know, the little they make it.
Of course, a little smoke bomb thing goes off. They're attacked,
and of course Joel wakes up and he's in a
hospital room with Marlene.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, and Marlene is shocked. She's like, man, you know,
it took here five fifty whatever people you know to
get her there, and they all die out of the
two of you make it alone.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Right, She's like wow. And and the way he reacts
asking for Ellie and you know, take me too, or
I think she was also surprised of the connection that
he had to her. He did. She did not expect
that of Joel because the last time she saw him,
he is like this the package, I'll do it fine,
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you know, so this is very different. She might not
even know how to deal with him like this mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Because she's like, oh no, no, you know, it's gonna
be fine. You know, she's gonna find the cure in
And it wasn't until he's like, you don't understand, and
then she got it, you know, he Ellie was no
longer just the package and this wasn't just a job
(25:14):
because you know, the first she kind of flippantly said,
you know, you're the one person and never wanted to
be in debt to but you know, thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, and uh, I think she goes off the rails.
I think she did not approach him right with this
at all. Oh no, because then after he's like, take
me to her again, you know, they get into it
and she's like, I can't. She's getting ready for surgery.
M And on the spot she tells him what the
(25:45):
plan is. Yeah, like, hey, you know, the doctor thinks
that the cordyceps have grown since birth and they produce
a messenger, a chemical messenger blah blah blah. And he's like,
but those are in the brain.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, and there was also the way she
talked about it though they weren't certain, this was all speculation.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, he thinks, he thinks, he thinks.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
It might it could. And and the fact that they
just swooped her up and didn't even do any tests
on her, just immediately took her into surgery does kind
of make me pause a little bit, because again, these
they are just making assumptions.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Right, They don't know, they don't know the fact that
I was really surprised that Marlene was so quick to
let that child go to her death because they did
the same thing that those people did in an episode
one with that child, right mm hm oh, let's what
(26:49):
if you could have a toy, you can eat your
favorite food, you know whatever. Aliie had no clue that
she was going to her death. She did not know,
that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, she didn't know. She didn't even know she was
going into surgery.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
No, so no wan need to help. She she thought
that was her mission, but she was not given all
the information. And that is kind of like one of
the points of contention between Joel and Marlene is like
She's like, you can't make that choice for her, and
he's like, neither.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Can't you, right, And you know because I mean because
Marlene basically, you know, she's like, you know, she has
no idea what's happening. She's gonna go peacefully in her
sleep and there's no stress. And he knows what that
I mean, because again, like you said, that's exactly what
they do. You know, at the Federal whenever someone new
comes in, if they're if they're infected, they did exactly
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to Ellie what feder does to be infected. Right, And
while it may be for a different purpose, is it
any more noble because they While Ellie may have voluntarily
said I want to do this, it should have been her.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Choice exactly, and honestly, she's so had strong about it.
If they had told her the truth, she might have
she might have been okay with it, honestly.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Well. And if they had waited and told her and
she was able to tell Joel, no, this is what
I want. Mm hmm, then I think Joel's reaction would
have been different, right, you know, he might have have
fought her, tried to fight her on it, but ultimately,
in the end, I think if she had stood firm
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and he knew that this is really what she wanted,
I think, with great sadness, he would have capitulated. Yeah, yeah,
because he would have known that. H And while he
does know that this is what her you know, this
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she's been all about, let's cure, you know, let's find
the care. Let's find the cure. There's always been an.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
After right after we do this, I'll go wherever you want, right, right?
She never thought death was in the plan.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Right, you know, what do you want to do after
let's go to the moon.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
So she had all these planes, and he knew that
that she was willing to do this, She was willing
to become a test subject. But it had never entered
into either one of their equations that it would require
her to.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Die exactly, so I think, you know, so of course
Marlene says, you know, take him out of here, take
him to the road, the main road, whatever, give him
his bag, don't kill him unless you have to, basically,
which was dumb. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I mean again, they've made it all the way across
the country by themselves, and she thinks that two guys
taken him out, you know, dropping on.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
The road, underestimates him, like you know, she thinks her
guards are all of that in a pack of chips,
and they aren't.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well no, because they all died Giddier there. Yeah know,
so you know they and they don't have Joel's focus.
He is going to save his daughter, you know, their
standing post. He's there to save his daughter, right, And
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there was just no And again, if they had not
just swept him and Ellie up and just immediately taken
Ellie to surgery, I think it could have been a
different outcome. I mean, it might have been the same
outcome if they had if Ellie went I don't think so,
and they went all, we're doing it anyway, you know.
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But Ellie could have voluntarily said, yeah, this is this
is it, this is what my life is for I'm
okay with it. They could have even explained, you know,
what their reasoning was, or or actually did tests as
far as the only thing that uh Marlene said that
they did was blood work and oh there, you know,
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something in her system is making your thing, you know,
it's making tricking the system to think that you know,
she's already infected.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And honestly, they could open her brain to find that
there aren't any corcepts in her brain.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Right, you know, it could be somewhere else mm hmm.
You know, I mean I don't know where. For all
we know, it could have been in the liver, because
it's not like they did any imaging or anything. They
didn't do any exploratory surgery. They were just going straight
for the brain. Yeah, and there's no indicator that it
would have been there even if she even if she
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did have a you know, a response to it. The
brain is not where you get an immune response, it's
you know, you get it from other parts of your body.
So why wouldn't it have been maybe attached to that.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I don't know, And I don't even think it matters,
because it's like they.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Were just going to dissect the body until something exactly.
So she wasn't a person anymore. She was a specimen exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
And I just really was taken aback by how Marlene
was so fine with it. She's fucking fine with it.
And she might have felt a little bit bad because
that's her best friend's daughter, but not bad enough to
do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, because in her mind, if they could find it,
then she could have the cure. She would be safe.
Everyone there, all the firefly flies would have been safe,
you know, she could have She she saw herself as
I could be the savior of humanity by making this
one sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, and and she did.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
And she did say that this is a losing fight.
We're not gonna win. Although I did, it did occur
to me that if Ellie has children, they should have
her immunity too.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, they might. They might have it, you know, So
let me say I can get transferred. It can when Joel. Okay,
So Joel's rescue mission did turn into a massacre. He
killed a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Oh yeah, he killed everyone. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
He was moving like someone who was in the military
or something with precision, and he was moving fast and
he was like missing any shots, and he was picking
up other people's guns. It was very video game ish.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yes, and I'm sure that's and I actually I do
know because after I watched the season finale, they were
showing the uh the exchange how it pans out on
the video game, and it was really close. They kept
out one There was one segment that they kept out
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of the TV show that was in the video game,
but it didn't really matter. It was prior to them
being picked up, so they basically in the video game,
they end up having to go underground to get around
some obstruction, and you know, bad things are in the
water and anyway, they get pulled out by the fireflies
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and then you know, knocked out. So that's I don't
think that really counts. But that whole scene with him
killing Marlene Marlene dead on okay, so they stuck really
close to it. Now, if I had been him and
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I was killing everyone anyway, I'm not gonna lie. I
would have killed the nurses too.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I wondered about that because okay, so the doctor, and
that's a shame because you need a doctor, right, But
if I were the doctor, I would have stepped back
and let her take you know, let him take her
like you're gonna say, I'm not gonna let you take her. Well,
he has a gun, he will shoot you when he did.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, you know, I've got a scalpel. Woo hoo, I
got a gun. And the reason, I say, from Joel's
point of view, it surprises me didn't kill the nurses
because at that point, you don't want any witnesses.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
M m. It doesn't matter though it's a wild West
out here. They are a group that no one wants
to you know, they don't want to be found. Who
are they gonna tell?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Right, Well, they come across LA. But now that they
know that he's he's lied to her.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, and uh, you.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Know, but then you know, so he he does his
rescue and then boy, they made it back to his
brother's place really fast with that car.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah that's who. You know. You get a car and wow,
time flies. You no longer walk in two miles an
hour or whatever exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
You know, I think you said, you know, the car
died about five hours from the place, so they let's say,
from Utah back to Montana. It's probably about it was
about a ten hour drive.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
So in the parking lot when he shoots Marlene, did
that shock you? Like he was holding Ellie and like
shot her with the gun.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That was because I knew he had that gun. You know,
he had it. He had it tucked underneath her. He
used it to push the buttons for the basement.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
And and here's the thing, because he so while he
left the nurses because you know they're whatever. Marlane, knowing
of her existence, would never have stopped m HM would
have would have kept coming and bringing more people. And
even if Ellie had not wanted to, you know, cooperate,
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at that point, I don't think it really mattered to Marlane.
She she was looking at you know, looking at the ends,
justifying the means.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
You know, she was really almost, I guess, trying to
guilt trip him, because you know, she's like, you can't
keep her safe forever. You can't. You know, she'll grow up,
you'll die, she'll leave, you know, She's like running through
the next ten years of their lives really quickly.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You know, and you know she's going to grow up.
She's not always going to be you know, yours. And
he knows that. That's the whole point, you know, is
that she is going to you know that he's going
to do everything he can to see her into adulthood
and become an adult and have a life and a
husband and children and you know, all those things that
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you're supposed to.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Have mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And he knows that unless something goes really sideways with
the community, his brother's community, she can't have all of
those things.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, she can't, you know, so.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
You know, maybe not the husband part because you know,
girlfriend anyway, you know, but she could have a life,
you know, a good, fulfilling life, Yeah, definitely, And you
know so and and that's what is that's what's really
motivating him because his daughter, did you know, his his
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actual daughter's first daughter, didn't get that chance.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
And and he was short and.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Her life was cut short and at around this the
exact same age, you know, Ellie's life was gonna get
cut short by essentially the same people.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
So you know he's not I I completely understand his
reasoning now, I don't know that I would have lied
to her, but I understand why he did.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I think, you know, that's that thing where parents sometimes
feel like their lives are for their you know, for
the kid's own good. This is better for them, and
I understand that. But at the same token, it's like, again,
he forgets what kind of child he's dealing with, right,
And had he told her the truth, I think, yes,
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she probably would have been pissed, but eventually she seen that, yeah,
I didn't really want to die, thank you for saving.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Me right well, And I think the other part of
the reasoning he did it was to spare her the
additional burden of those.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Deaths, even though it's not hers, she's not her asleep.
How can you take a burden of something you didn't
even do, you weren't even conscious for it, right, But.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
She has, she has taken on the you know, and
that was kind of like when they were talking before
and her being spacey. She you know, and at the
very end, you know, she's like, you know, Riley died,
and you know, and she she starts making this list
and he's like, this isn't your fault. So you know,
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she she's been feeling the way of the deaths of
people who have died along their route, and even though
it may not have been directly because of her, she's
still feeling it.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Well, he told her, you know, she asked, basically, are
people okay? What happened to a lot of people die?
And he didn't lie about that, right, He didn't say
I killed them all, but he's like, yeah, something happened
and we had to get either there.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Well, there's a difference between I killed all those people
for you, mm hmm and raiders randomly came upon them
and killed this group and I saved you.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, it's a big difference.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
There's a big psychological difference between those two statements.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
But that's the thing. Let me just say. When Ellie
kind of like stares at him in his face and
he's like, she's like, tell me the truth. Swear to
me everything you said about the fireflies is true, and
he says, I swear. I knew with the look on
her face that she didn't believe him. She chose she
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chose to believe him, kind of knowing that that wasn't
the truth, right.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Right, mm hm, oh yeah, I definitely got that too.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
And it's like a choice. You're like, Okay, this is
my father figure. You know, I care about him. Obviously
he's not He's not crazy. He wouldn't have just done
you know what I mean? Like, so, I think she's
thinking all these things like there must have been a reason,
but I'm not. I'm choosing to accept this answer, right
mm hmm?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
You know so? I mean going into season two, you know,
we're gonna see where the relationship has ended or you know,
landed at the you know and you know, and and
the thing of it is is, even if she has
consciously decided Okay, I'm gonna trust him, those scenes of
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doubt can grow.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, I don't think she. I don't think she would
feel like he was trying to do harm to her
through deceit. But no, I think that she I don't know.
May you know? Honestly, it will be interesting to see
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how this story evolves and if they even address it
at all, and if they do, is it gonna be
in passing Because from what I understand, we're going into
season two at a time jump like by years, like
five years, So are we gonna get flashbacks of how
that was dealt with? Are we gonna get side conversations
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of how that was dealt with.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
My guess is a mix of all of the above,
because they're really good at the flashbacks. I mean, they
do good flashbacks. Yeah, so my guess is is we'll
probably get a little bit of flashback. We'll get some
conversation that's you know, presently relative, you know, you know,
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relatable relative, no relevant. Sorry, I gotta tell you the
whole time change is just really screwing with my brain
and relevant and yeah. So but yeah, I think it's
that it's probably a subject that's going to get touched upon,
even if it's just you know, I wonder what could
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have happened?
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I wonder what could have happened, like if he had
told me the truth?
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Well, no that you know, if you know, because she
has no idea what they were they were going to do, right,
I mean things have been could things, you know, with
a little more time to study me, could they have
fixed something, found something.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Look, the only way she's gonna find out what really
happened is if Joel himself tells her everyone else is
dead except those nurses, And what are the what's the
likelihood she's going to run into those two nurses.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It's hard to say. So it is a video game.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Who knows, and if there's not going to be a
point of contention with her and Joel unless she actually
he tells her the truth.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Right, And at this point, there's no one, there's no
one to even do the surgery or the research. As
far as we know, he was the last doctor. Yeah,
you know, I mean, because I mean, immunology is you know,
it's a specialist field. Yeah, and you know we're talking,
you know, by the time we do the time jump,
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if it is brought up, I mean we're talking twenty
five years since the fall, so you know, classically trained
doctors at that point, are you know, they're either dead
or dying.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah. And of obviously the doctors that we're working on
things at the beginning probably are just so old, you know,
they're not working like that anymore, if they even still
are alive.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
You know, because I'm pretty sure you know, because why
you know, why go to Utah, Why not to the
CDC in Georgia, or why not to you know, any
of the major research facilities they have you know, scattered
throughout the United.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
States, those still exist, right, But that's.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
What I'm saying. You know, if if these doctors existed,
these facilities existed, they would have existed in those places,
not Utah.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
I mean, because we don't know where. You know, Marlena's
group got this guy from, you know, and we I
don't think Marlena even ur Marlene. Why keep calling her Malina?
I need to stop that, Marlene. I don't think she
even I think she might have guessed she might have
had some immunity, but she wasn't for sure until she
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got bitten. Yeah, and we know that there were they
found her pretty quickly, right, So by the time that
she left and from the time she was bitten, it
was only like a couple of days or a couple
of weeks or something at that. So that means did
you find that doctor like in a couple of weeks, right?
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Well, And and here's the other thing. I mean that
doctor wasn't really that old, right, I mean you would
have you would assume that, since it's been twenty five years,
that the doctor would be fifty sixty years old by
that time. And this was got you know, he looked
like he was in his thirties.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
So this is a doctor that was not trained in
a medical school, right, He was a trained by some
other doctors, hopefully.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Hopefully you know, read a lot of books. I don't
know well, and you know, and I also thought when
Marlane says, you know, I've been with her since she
was born, you know, I do understand, and I don't
think she does, because Ellie didn't even know she existed.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
She wasn't with her. She she wasn't her in a school.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
And she may ever, she may have occasionally kept an
eye on her, and that may have been white. You know,
when Riley says, can she go with me? She said
no because she wanted to keep her clothes. But Ellie
didn't know she existed. You know this, Riley has never
told her about her birth, you know, about what went
on with her mother. The only person on earth right
(47:15):
now that well now she doesn't even exist. You know,
that could have given Riley her story or Ellie her story.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Chose not to yes exactly.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
You know. So what does that say about Marlane.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
That says she's a shitty person. Yeah, that says she
did the bare bones menimum to watch her best friend's daughter.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, you know, she could have made you know, checked
up on Ellie. She could have you know, approached her
as she got a little older and said, I was
you know, I brought you to the orphanage. I was
your mom's best friend.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
She could have been like an aunt figure to her, exactly.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
She could have even before she started, even before she
was with the fireflies. Yeah, or if she was the fireplace,
she still could have found a way because she was,
you know, obviously she could get in and out of places,
you know. So yeah, the fact that she just completely
ignored her and and Ellie had no idea who she
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was until they you know, gathered her up and you know,
held her hostage for several weeks, and that was that
was a contentious relationship, you know, you know, So yeah,
I don't really I don't have a lot of sympathy
for Marlene's motivation. I don't think there was anything good
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or pure about them. And I don't think she really
felt anything for for Ellie. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
She didn't feel anything for her nothing. Yeah, I think
she felt maybe a little bad that that's what had
to happen. But oh well, you know, right.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
You know, it's a damn shame, but you know, and
that's it. I don't think she had never developed a
relationship with Ellie. She didn't travel with Ellie. She could
have traveled with Ellie, but she didn't, and you know
she didn't. She never had a bond with her. She
never reached out to her. No, she wasn't. She was nothing.
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Ellie was really nothing to her until she became something.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
And it was only something that we need to do.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Because now you're valuable before you know, and she's only
valuable until she's expendable, you know, to her. So yeah,
I you know, And I don't blame Joel one bit
for the way he reacted because if I had gone
through all of that to say, one person and not
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even being allowed to say goodbye to her or to
make sure this is what she wanted or anything, just oh,
here's a bag, we're kicking out the door. Thanks a lot,
you know.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
I mean honestly, like, even if I didn't get close
to her in a maternal way, right, if I was
looking after her and I didn't feel maternal about her,
I still would have tried to save her, because I'm like,
there's no way you're just gonna kill her without her
knowing what she's doing, Like that is crazy. She deserves
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to know what she's doing for it's peaceful.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
This way, she won't even know what happened to her.
Oh bullshit. I mean that's a that is a coward's way.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
I feel like you can't do that to someone without consent.
You just can't.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, And I do realize that in this reality, consent
is a thing that has long been forgotten on multiple fronts.
And I think, you know, even even though there were
a fight, supposedly fighting against FEDRA, there's really not a
whole big difference between Fireflies and FEDRA.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
They don't really do what they want whatever.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Right, you know, I mean because you know the Fireflies,
you know, have killed innocent people. You know, they they
accept you know, acceptable losses, you know, and you know,
being in the wrong place at the wrong time to
hurt FEDRA. You know, they're they're okay with militant tactics.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Like they don't have a code. You know, they don't
have anything goes right.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
You know, they're they're there. It's guerrilla warfare. And you know,
if they really wanted to make a difference instead of
fighting feder they should have done you know what Joel's
brother did. You know, Joel's community did, which is set
up a new community, get people out, you know, that's
that's the way to deal with it, because feder is
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not leaving their their encampments, so they could start you know,
smuggling people out and taking them to these places places
you know, like Joel's or like Joel's brother's community. Then that,
right there would is the solution to the problem. But
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I don't even know why they're fighting for these cities
that are dying anyway.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, it's not really clear what the game endgame is
for that group as a whole.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
I don't think they're I mean, and they seem to
be nationwide, but every place that the Fireflies have overturned
Federal they're they're either either just as bad or it's
just utter chaos mm hm, which tells me that you know,
they don't have a plan. You know, they're just Federa bad. Okay, great,
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what are you planning on doing federa bad? Okay? You
know you have to have more than Federa bad. You
have to have a plan, and I don't think you
know now she has.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
To build or to fix. I know, sometimes you have
to break some things, right, right, But if you're just
going around breaking things and you don't know how to
build anything, then what's it for exactly?
Speaker 2 (53:04):
And as scattered as these fireflies are across the continent,
why can't they just start siphoning off people and taking
them to these remote locations. There's really no you know,
I mean, Joel and Ellie, you know, with a car
managed to make it pretty damn far before the car
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broke down. And if they have you know, supplies, supply
dumps and everything else along the way, they could they
could have a fairly safe corridor to get people from
one place to the next if they chose to do so.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
I do wonder if in season two the Fireflies will
be more of a bad yeah, like bad group, because
like right now, I feel like they're not good, but
they're not like evil either. They're just kind of we
don't know what they are well.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
In l you know, we know from you know, the
flashback that Ellie didn't think highly of the fireflies.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
She thought they were like terrorists, right, and you know.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
So she's kind of had this shift a little bit
because they told her that they could save all of humanity.
But at the same time, considering the tactics that they
used on her, you know, they're there, they're fedra, you know,
light a little bit, but they're no better. Yeah, and
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you know, so, yeah, I don't I think if Ellie
had been awake and had a choice, I don't know
that she would have chosen to do that, or she
might have. I don't know. I mean, because she was
looking for her purpose and and I know that she
was dedicated to this. She thought that this was her
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one purpose in life. And if she couldn't fulfill it,
you know, she might have thought dying for this was
the fulfillment of her purpose. And that's very possible.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Honestly, I feel like we could have been told already
that there is no way to make a vaccine. Was
that episode three where we were in that other country
and that one doctor who has studied infectious diseases was like,
what vaccine? You can't make a vaccine?
Speaker 2 (55:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
Maybe that's just as simple as that.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
And it could be, you know, I mean, and it
could be that they are only hopeful that she could
provide a cure. This is there, you know, hail Mary
pass because they've never had someone like Ellie, or at
least no one knows of anyone like Ellie.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
But I'm sure she's not the only one. Yeah, there
there there could be more, very few, I'm sure, but
there could be.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
There could be more. Yeah, and you know, and we
don't know if it you know, it only works that,
you know, if you're so far along or you know,
right before birth or right after birth or anything. We
don't know the parameters of it, you know. But in theory,
there could be more of her, and there could be
they might not be activated like she is because they
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haven't been attacked. We don't know. So it's but again
the idea that they really don't know because this is
a fungus, So funguses are very different from bacteria and viruses,
and there's no guarantee guarantee that there would be a cure.
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There's a hope, but no guarantee, and.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
None of that is guaranteed. And that's what made it
even more ridiculous to Joel, Like, what.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Well, and if it's in her brain but it's producing something,
there's technically no reason why they couldn't take her blood
and refine it from her blood because basically they were
saying it was more less like cowpox. They used to cure,
you know, smallpox by giving them giving people a small
amount of cow pox to activate the immune system without
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actually infecting the person. M hm. So in theory, her
blood could be process to do the same thing. Yeah,
I don't understand why they feel that they have to
get to something in her brain. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but it just you know,
it's not perfect, right. The theory of what they were
trying to do doesn't really hold water if you're start
looking at things scientifically and you know what's what?
Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah, I mean, and it's possible since they had Ellie
captive for several weeks and she did I mean, they
were taking her blood. It may have been to see
if they could find a some kind of a immunity,
you know, for it with it and they're.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
Just doing a positive or negative test on her. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yeah, we didn't know it was a positive lot. A
positive or negative test was just you know that machine, right,
But they were taking her blood.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
Maybe if we had seen a little more from that
side of things. But that's what makes me feel like,
does it even matter because the I don't know if
the video games show that or if the TV show
just decided it's not important, right, I.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
Don't think I don't think the video game did show
anything that they did to Ellie prior to while they
had her.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Captive, Yeah, or even spend any time with the Fireflies
like separately. You know, we could have you know, I
know that Joel and Ellie are the focus, right, but
if they wanted to enlighten us a little bit about
the theories they were going, you know, the plans they had,
the things they were doing. But that's why I think
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ultimately it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
I mean, and we do know that Marline did tell
Ellie something. She whispered some stuff in her ear that
they never expanded on throughout the rest of the series.
We don't know exactly what she said to Ellie other
than you're special, right exactly, So we don't know what
it was that she told her or anything else, but
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it must have been pretty inspirational, because she went from
that to.
Speaker 1 (59:30):
Okay, you know, well, you know, I guess maybe she
didn't understand that when she healed that meant she was immune,
like you know what I mean, Like she she didn't
understand what that meant till someone told her.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
Right, And I can see that because in this reality,
no one is immune m hm. And she has no
idea why she might even be immune because she has
no idea that circus chances of her birth mm hmm.
So which again could have been imparted upon her.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
But yeah, she could have told her.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Marlene decided to take that to the grave with her
and there's no one else to share with that she'll
never know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yeah. I think honestly, this show could have given us
one more episode. They could have did ten episodes. They
could have taken one more episode to just like fill
in a couple of gaps, even through flashbacks or however
they wanted to deal with it, you know, if you
want to nitpick it right.
Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Right, But I overall I was I was really happy
how they how they put it together.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah. I think also the ending, though, I feel like
I was okay with it because I know there's season
two coming, but I don't know. I wouldn't necessarily call
that a cliffhanger, but I guess they could have left
it there. Honestly, if they didn't get a season two,
they could have left it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Yeah. Well, and I because they've known since almost a
second episode that they were gonna get green lit for
a second episode or for a second season.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Right, so done by then by the time you're you
playing episode two, the whole thing is done.
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Right. But if they if they didn't get renewed, they
could always go back for post production and put it
in an extra fifteen minutes or something. You know, other
shows have done it, so there's nothing to stop them
from going back and saying, Okay, we're gonna give you
a little more. And it wouldn't have taken a whole lot.
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So but since they did know that they're getting the
second season, I think they were, you know, pretty satisfied
with the ending.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah, So I don't know for sure if the end
of season one was an end that the video game
had as well. It is it is okay.
Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Yeah, Like I said, I did watch the ending of
you know, they showed the whole video game ending, and
it's it's not one where you make choices, it's just
this is the ending, okay. So so yeah that I
was just curious to see if there was any deviation
mm hmmm, and there really wasn't. Just like I said,
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that one missing scene in the subway.
Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Right, so it literally ended with her saying like okay
to Joel yep. Okay, that's how it ended, all right.
That's good to know. I feel a little bit better
about it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Like I said, I liked it. You know, we've been
seeing this show's praises all season.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
So yeah, and I'm all excited about the second season.
I can't wait to see what they do.
Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Yeah, I'm very curious about it. But time will tell,
time will tell. Yeah, I just gotta wait and see.
I guess yep. Because I'm not playing any video games,
and I'm not gonna play the second game. I'm I don't.
I'm not gonna look anything up. I'm not gonna try
to spoil anything. I'm just gonna wait and see.
Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Yep, pretty much. I mean we'll get you know, trailers
and stuff as it gets closer, and I'll watch those.
Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah. But that's like far off though, right.
Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
You know that's that's a wild because it's next year.
Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah, maybe summer next year, maybe for Lucky.
Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
So because as I understand it, they've already they're already
into filming the second season.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Oh really, I just thought they were still writing. They're filming.
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Nope, they're Because the actress that plays Ellie made the
comment that she really enjoyed being back with everyone and
and spending time with Joeligan. Oh so yeah. I mean
I could have misinterpreted, but from the way it sounds,
you know that they're back on you know, their back
on production.
Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Hmm. Okay, okay, I missed that. I did not realize
they were filming already. That means they wrote that pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Well, I mean they've got the full video game.
Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
It's probably four days ago. It says four days ago.
This article says they are in pre production. Is unclear
when they will begin filming, but pre production could be
table reads, it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Could be yeah, and it didn't. She didn't say that
they were you know, she just said that it was
it was good to be back with him mm hmm,
you know, and spending time with the with the people
on the show. So I put together they were probably
getting ready to you know, start things or had started.
Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
M h.
Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
In the I guess the interview was yesterday. I think
it was yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Okay, So the first season just out of you know,
just FYI. They filmed the first season from July twenty
one to June of twenty two, so that was almost
a full year of filming for season one. Okay, so
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and then what another six to eight months to release,
you know for edits, editing and all that cinematography stuff.
So even if they started now, this would not be out.
Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Till late next year at the earliest. Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Interesting. Okay, Well, well we shall see and uh, you guys,
I think I think we're done with you think, Lisa?
I okay, so we're gonna not be around for a while.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Ahead, we'll be back with the Fear of the Walking Dead.
Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Yeah. So whatever month that airs was it May.
Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
I believe, Yeah, I think it was something like eighty
days out.
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