The Last of Us S2 E1 | Episode Review

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey everyone, welcome back to the podcast. Season two of
the Last of Us is here and we are going
to talk about it every week during the season. I'm Tamara,
and I'm so excited to be back with you for
the next chapter of this story. Don't forget to follow
us on all of your favorite social media platforms. The
links are in the show notes. If you like what

(00:26):
you hear, then hit that subscribe button. You won't want
to miss a single episode as we journey through this season.
Joining me today is show co host Lisa. Welcome back, Lisa.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Welcome, Hi Tamara. Hi everyone. My name is Lisa Orban.
I am an author. I'm also the founder of Indignit
publishing house, and I love all things pop culture.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Okay, so if you're new to the podcast, we are
laid back in our review style, right.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Lisa, Absolutely, Tamora. This is a conversation, not a dissertation.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
No scene by scene breakdowns. Here we jump around, and
of course, huge spoiler alert for everything we have not
watched the video played the video game, y'all, So we're
not gonna have those kind of spoilers now. But we're
gonna talk about anything that could have happened in previous
episodes or whatever we feel like. So you've been warned,
and that's bad. Okay. If that's good for you, it's

(01:16):
good for us, and we're gonna get to it. Are
you ready to talk about the season premiere? I am, okay?
What'd you think? Did you love it?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Or men? I think I should have watched the first
season again, that's what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Oh my gosh, Okay. So I did go back and
watch the last two episodes of the previous season, so
that helped a little bit, but I still feel like
there were some things that I probably should have went
back a little further. Because this show has been gone
for a while. It's been off the air for a
long time.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
It has and you and I usually or I usually
well before we start up again if it's been a while,
I'll go back and rewatch the first season or the
previous season, and I just I didn't have time to
do it this time. So I was like, oh no,
I mean, and I did remember the highlights and and

(02:14):
I even knew although it took me a few minutes
to place, you know, the funeral setting with the with
the giraffes, It took me a few minutes to realize
who that was. Oh yeah, okay, But and then I
was you know, as it carries on, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Joel killed everyone. That's her mother that she was the
doctor got you got you got you remember the woman

(02:36):
doctor that he kept, you know, that was going to
do the brain or not the brain surgery. But she
was up there in the up there and trying to
put everything together, you know, to do the surgery.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
So anyway, once I figured that, I'm like, Okay, now
everything's making sense.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yes. So actually, I think I did myself a favor
by listening to the actual HBO podcast about this show,
and it gave me some good insights about the video
game versus this show, you know, because we didn't play
the game. And I realized when watching the episode that

(03:17):
the character that is new I can't even think of
her name right now. It's Abby, I think, or something
like yeah, Abby, so Abby. It supposedly looks really really different.
Of course, they've made some changes there. And so when
we were watching it, you know, I watched it with
Kevin and he pointed out that this woman looks completely different.

(03:40):
Why did they pick her? But turns out they were like,
you know what there's a reason why the gameplay is
that way. You know, they're trying to make these characters,
you know, I guess, have different strengths, different abilities when
you're in a gameplay, and since this is not a game,
they don't need that, they can show her strengthen their ways.

(04:00):
Besides how she physically looks right right. So I thought
that was really interesting. It almost makes me want to
play the game. But I don't have a PlayStation and
apparently it's only on PlayStation.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
So my boyfriend's played it.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh, oh, what's he think?

Speaker 2 (04:16):
He won't watch it?

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay, he started off. I think he watched like the
first two episodes with me when it first came out,
and he went hm hmm and walked away.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
So okay, I would all right.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
I guess you're not a he. But part of it
is is he's had he has a real problem with
He's like, can't anyone just come up with a new idea?
Do you have to take the video games I love
to play and just mess with, you know, make them
into a story?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Oh my gosh. Chemist says the same thing because he
thinks they totally ruined Halo and that's his favorite game.
They ruined it. So yeah, he doesn't like when they
do that.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
And see, I watched it, but I've never played it again.
My boyfriend did. And there's what really upset him about
that is he's like, no, Master serge. It never takes
his home off.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Kevin said he was so mad about taking the helmet off.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
So when that happened, you know, my boyfriend's like, I'm done.
I'm like, okay, you know, but since you and I
haven't played the video games, we're not beholden to that.
But I get it because there are books that I
have read that I am absolutely livid about when when
they've turned them into movies.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
And TV shows. Because I talk about that on Shelf
Addiction podcasts. We do comparisons all day long and the
books we've read and they are just we complain up
and down.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I'm watching The Wheel of Time. I'll tell you
they're nothing like the books.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, I believe that.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean, they're in the arc of the story is there,
but all the characters are different, the things that they're
doing is different. Everything. I mean, they've had a they've
had a good time with it.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, they've taken liberties and they did with this show too,
but I'm almost relieved that, you know, I don't have
the source material to contend with, because it gives us
like a fresh you know, unfiltered you know. Yeah, I'm biased,
and I think it makes it more enjoyable. I almost

(06:34):
wonder if they gear these shows toward the people who
didn't play the games, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
I've kind of wondered about that, and I don't know
if their hope is to I mean, I'm sure it's
just to capitalize off something that's already made them lots
of money, but I think there's also they're trying to
draw in potentially new players, because you even said, you know,
if I have PlayStation, I.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Play this, I try it. I give it try for sure.
I'm not a gamer. Well, I'm a sometimes the gamer,
you know. I was really a COVID came, and then
once COVID was over, I stopped playing video games. But
I'd give it a try. I don't know if it
was stick, you know, right, But.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I mean I'm kind of I'm rolling my eyes right
now at the Minecraft movie.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I mean, it's a king about building things. It's a block.
They're just blocks.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, they don't get so anyway, but but yeah, so
he did.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
He's the one that and so last season he kind
of spoiled it for me because he's like, oh yeah,
Joel's gonna do this, and he did. I'm like, well, thanks,
oh stop it, don't get the spoiler.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, Well, apparently a lot of the scenes from the
game did make it to screen, like the dance, you know,
the little party for New Year's Eve that was apparently
pretty close to what it looked like in the game
from what I understand. So that was interesting to hear, right,
but high level for the episode itself, to be honest,

(08:08):
I kind of thought it was a little bit slow.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
You know. I know they're trying to to set the stage.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yes, and.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Because there were a couple of things that I mean,
they were very much hitting on, and that is so
we know that, you know, there is at least one
person out there that has a vendetta against Joel. We
know that, uh Joel And okay, I yeah, I just

(08:42):
had a brain fart. I'm like, I know her name.
Joel and Ellie have basically since they've gotten back, is
what I'm getting from this, since they returned, have not
been okay.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
See, and I got something a little different from that.
I think they haven't been okay brief based on his
interactions with the therapist.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, I think it's gotten. I think it's accelerated. I
think it started when, you know, as they were walking
down the mountain, because they had they played that seat.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Again, Yeah, they did, And I think they.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Were trying to highlight that she took him at as
word but she didn't. But she didn't. She said she did,
but she didn't believe him.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Well at that time, she's also fourteen, right right, So
she's nineteen now, So that's why I think as the
years have gone by, she's probably absolutely you could tell
during this episode she's trying to assert her own strength
and being an adult free of him, right right.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
So, but I think she also, I think she's I
don't think she's ever gotten over her mistrust from that
moment they had there when she woke up in the car.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
This has been building for years.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Well, I'm thinking something happens, something that they're gonna show us,
something to give her a reason, because when she's fourteen,
she isn't. We could tell by the look on her
face she isn't quite by it. But she's gonna let
it go right, right, So I'm assuming through these episodes
we're maybe gonna get a couple of flashbacks that show
us points in time where she has been I guess,

(10:22):
given reason to second guess him. Yeah, right, and it's
probably just added up over the years, and now she's
just done with him.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well, she's not completely done. I mean, she hasn't moved
out of the house, she hasn't completely stopped talking to him.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
No, he's got the cold shoulder for real.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
She doesn't want to be defended by him. She doesn't
want any help from him.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
She doesn't want any advice from him, no anything, you know.
If he says stand, she's gonna sit, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
And that's basically what a nineteen year old would do
with someone they don't, you know, a parent that they
are pissed off at.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, you know. Well, and it's also establishing that the
herd Ellier absolute risk takers, and everyone knows it, and
everyone's just please just listen and do as you're told.
And they're rolling their eyes. They're actually rolling their eyes

(11:24):
while they're saying it because they know they're not going.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
To Yeah, Dina's like sure, and they look at each other,
knowing they've bought to get into some mass they already.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Know, they already know. Oh they're not gonna listen, and
you can see that they feed off each other. Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
But it's like to be fair. So again, five year
time jump, so people get comfortable in five years, right,
and five years they are feeling more like the hunter
and not the hunt being the hunted right, right. So
you can tell through how Ellie deals with killing the clickers,
and you know how excited she gets she shoots one
in the head. You know, she's like, you know, I'm down,

(12:05):
Let's do it. Let's just go in here and take
care of stuff. You know, they have zero fear about
it because you know, things have calmed down well.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
And I don't think it's just that. I think she's
feeling pretty cocky because you know, she's out there screaming
I'm immune.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, oh my god, which sounds like that's something she
doesn't normally do. The way that he was reacting, you know,
the the Joel's brother. Yeah, the way he was reacting,
that's not something that she does often. I'm thinking maybe
because they were just out there, you know, in the wild,

(12:40):
and there was supposedly no one around, she felt comfortable
and acting crazy and screaming that. But I don't know. Uh,
she's she's a complex character, and I think I like
that about her because while she's teenage and acts very teenage,
you know, there's a lot there to dig into. Her
motivations aren't clear to us yet.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Right, And I don't I mean, she's not she's not mean,
you know, she's not cruel. She's just you can tell
from her actions she has become a risk taker. Yeah,
you know, she knows that she's immune, and she know
and after everything that she's been through and then you know,

(13:25):
everything that happened from the time that she woke up
from that table forward, I think has made her less
careful about her own personal safety. When they were well,
when they were on their way there, you know, she
was she was more cautious, you know, and because she

(13:49):
had been told, you know, you're the savior, you could
be the savior of the human race. And it's kind
of a peg to go down from being I'm a
savior too, I have to.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
It don't matter you hide. Yeah, it doesn't matter that
you're immune. Hide, right, So I get that, But I
also think it's partially her. Yes, she does take unnecessary risk,
but I also think that she is really trying to
exert her strength and be in the way that she
can protect herself. Like I remember, like in that second

(14:23):
to last episode, you know, she had basically got prisoner
taken prisoner by that guy who wants to bring her
into his community, remember that, and she killed him in
a very violent way to get away from that guy.
And I think after that, you know, it came back
to me. One of the first scenes, she's like having
a thrownown with this grown man and she gets very

(14:44):
upset that he was pulling his punches. You know, she
wants to fight, and I don't think that is risk
in that moment. It's her showing she can defend herself
and she can take care of it. So I think
you're right in I'm right a little both. Like I said,
she's kind of a quirky character right now. She's got

(15:04):
different motivations for why she's doing things.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, and again, you know, like you said, she's nineteen,
and yeah, their nineteen year olds are not known for
their stability.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
No, And I mean, honestly, that's all she can do,
is that? So she's good at fighting, right, she's good
at defending. She's good at killing the clicker things and
now what do they call the new ones? But whatever
they you know, she's good at that.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
She can't build, right, she's not cooking, she's not doing
anything else in that community. But she can go out
and defend, r kill, So she has to make sure
she's good at that.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah. Now, I do think because that the sneaky you know, stalker.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
There it is. I found it.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
It's called Yeah, I think that's something completely brand new
because they were shocked. Everyone was shocked. M and and
and Ellie I think was thrown off by it got
the jump on her. Yeah, and if it had been

(16:12):
anyone else, they'd be gone.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
That thing bit her with a quickness and she couldn't
do anything about it.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, bit through her, you know, through her shirt and
everything else. I mean, it got her, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Another reason that shows, like I guess this also shows
how comfortable they've gotten, because if she even thought that
any of them that were in that little party thought
that they could be bitten, I'm sure they would be
dressed a little differently.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
They're like, oh, we're just going to go out here.
Check it out. If we see you, click or we'll
just kill it, no, biggie. Right that they had no
protection and they're just dressed normally because they're not concerned anymore.
But now they have a reason to be concerned again.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, and because this is I think this is what
almost twenty years since the whole thing started. Hm, So
you know, yeah, I think everyone. I don't think. I
don't think people are getting so much complacent as it's just,
you know, you can't keep the fight or flight up forever.

(17:19):
You just can't. You eventually find your new normal, no
matter how abnormal it is. And and this is just
this is just life.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, and there's a lot honestly, there's a lot less
of them around. They're used to being in Jackson, Wyoming, right,
They're comfortable in their walls there. It's not like they're
being attacked every day. But as they decided to build
up the community, we see that there are cordyceps in

(17:49):
the you know, pipes and stuff. So not I guess, yeah,
this is the calm before the storm. You start breaking
things open and trying to build stuff, you're gonna disturb things, right,
comfort is gone.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Well, and and the the reason they're doing that is
because the communities in the lower areas are getting you know, ransacked.
They're taking in refugees. So while they're doing okay, not
a lot of places are you know that. You know
that Joel was saying, you know, I'm building as fast
as we you know, we're building as fast as we can,

(18:26):
but you know, we've got limited resources and it's not
like they can run down to Walmart and so. And
the fact that the reason they have to build this
fast is not because they're having a lot of kids
or or that kind of things, is because they're taking
in other communities that have been overrun. So you know,

(18:49):
they might while Jackson might be feeling somewhat complacent, they
really shouldn't be. If if everything, if everywhere else is falling.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, I don't know, it just feels like that though.
It feels like I don't know if complacent is the
right word. But you know they've settled in, right, things
are not as life or death or you know, touch
and go as they once were, and this is the
calm before the storm. They think it's you know, they're
getting a glimpse of something's weird. Right, We've got a

(19:20):
new COURTCEP creature situation going on. We'll keep an eye
on it. But hey, it's party time. Let's go parties
New Year's you know what I'm saying. They're not like
at arms, They're not like, oh my god, They're just like.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Okay, we'll take this under advisement.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, yeah, they're not worried yet, not yet.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
And and the thing and to keep in mind too,
that that community itself has been pretty has been fairly
blessed since the very beginning. They really haven't had a
lot of problems there or a lot of issues, although

(19:59):
they are becoming a lot more open because you know,
when Joel and Ellie showed up, there was a you know,
there was a whole big thing about them, with the
dogs and the rifles and the you know girls and yeah,
and Joelan. I mean, I don't think they would have
gotten in there if Joel hadn't if it hadn't been

(20:22):
for Joel's brother. So they had been very closed, and
I'm not sure what has changed things to make them
a more open community where they're actually actively taking in,
you know, refugees.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I can't help but wonder if Joel and Ellie were
the start, you know, yeah, because she says the one,
the one character. I can't think of her name right now.
Oh my god, I don't have to write down the
names again, you know, she says to Joel, you know,
you were a refugee too, you were new too, So
get over yourself. Tommy's wife Maria. Is that her name, Maria? Yeah?

(20:59):
So I think that maybe that was the beginning of it.
And over the years they've just started letting in more
and more people.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
So and it has to be pretty the growth has
to be rapid for Joel to be having the kind
of issues that they're having. Considering the size of that town.
The town's not that small. No, The fact that you
know they're needing to build so many new homes tells

(21:30):
me that there are a lot of new people coming
in so and and honestly, just the new just that
many new people being there, it could be a source
of trouble in and of itself, because they don't really
these people are coming in without a reference.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
So to speak, right, Yeah, no reference. They're feeling confident
enough to just let people in to try to help them.
They're in a happy place, but we know they won't
get there. I couldn't get there. I don't think they're
gonna let anyone in. They'll be overrun before they know.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
It, right, So I mean, yeah, they're gonna have to
do something or it's an unstable situation, yeah, but whether
they're aware of it being unstable or not. And I
think Joel is aware, and that's where a lot of

(22:32):
his frustration, you know, as far as the building and
the construction and stuff and trying to explain, you know,
we're going as fast as we can. But and it's
a big butt you know. Again, it's not like they
can just run down to the local hardware store, you know,

(22:53):
or the mill. You know. Everything that they are building.
They have to build from the scratch or you know,
scavenge for and fix. Yeah, and it doesn't sound like
there's a lot of people there that have Joel's particular
skill sets. And the Ellie really should, if she's interested,

(23:14):
should probably learn because Joel's not gonna be around forever
and this stuff is gonna break, so they he needs
apprentices is what he needs.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Maybe it might be her friend, you know, maybe it
might be her, because it seems like Ellie has no
interest at all, So Dina might be you know, and
obviously you could tell, you know, she's cool with him,
she's she's trying to even fix the relationship between he
and Ellie a little bit. You know. She's like, Hey,
we're gonna watch this movie. You want to come. She's like, no, girl, no,

(23:48):
I'm not doing that. But you know, I don't know.
She's definitely a fixture in their lives, and he's definitely gonna,
I guess, probably keep the connection because that's the only
way he's gonna find out what ell least got going
on is through Dina.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah. So, and he's trying that therapy is not going well.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, I mean the therapist called him out, like you're lying,
what did you do? Well?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Not only does she call him out, she's like, I
hate you. You killed my husband. That's the reason why
our antivers or you know, this is my first birthday
and would you say, forty one years I haven't spent
with him. There's some resentment.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
There, definitely. It's like she knows that she shouldn't have
the resentment, but she does, and that's just life. And
she's like, I'm going to help you, you know, despite that,
you know, regardless of that.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
So I wouldn't trust her.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well, it sounds like now we don't know exactly what
happened to her husband. It seems like it's been a year.
I'm going to assume maybe he got bit or something
and Joel had to take him out. I'm going to
assume it has something to do with that, because she
said she should not feel the way she does, so
it has to be something that could not have been avoided.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
And I get that. And I assumed that it was,
you know, he had been bitten or something to that effect. Yeah,
I still wouldn't trust her.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
No, I think that lady is great. Catherine O'Hara. I
think her name, she's really good. She's usually a comedy actor,
but she's good here. Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
And there's a I mean, there's a good I mean
I like.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
The she.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
It just got stems and twigs. Really the last guy,
you know, it didn't matter, what's the January February, big
beautiful buzz.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Look, he's a builder, not a planter. Okay, maybe he
doesn't have the green thumb.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Just I was just I'm like, well, okay, so she
that's how she is surviving, you know, the rest of
her life, I say, she's trading her services for weed
and things.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, that's payment. They don't take money anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, so, and it was very official payment accepted.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah. Actually Dina was high as well at that party.
She was so high she said.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Oh yeah, yeah. I would imagine where they're at, making
alcohol would be much more difficult than growing weed. Mm hmm,
because we don't grow just about anywhere in any climate
because it's a lead. But yeah, so that would be

(26:43):
my guess. It's probably easier than I mean, and they
obviously have alcohol, But my guess is it's just probably
easier to grow weed than it is to have a still.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, totally, I agree with that makes sense. Let's see
what else was going on. It was so much So
what did you think about Ellie and her friend Dina
kind of like crossing into that other territory. I feel
like I saw that coming.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Oh yeah, well you could tell from the first interaction
between her and Ellie that Ellie liked her, liked her
a lot. Yeah, but she wasn't gonna say anything because
you know, she had a boyfriend that she's broken up

(27:34):
with and breaks up with quite a bit, I think,
so she wasn't gonna do anything, so Dina would have
Dina is that her name would have had to make
the first move. And honestly, I think it was partially
because she was mad at her boyfriend and partially because
she was Oh well.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
I think she actually like her, because like the scene
where she comes and she helps her put the little
sling on for her weapon or whatever she was carrying.
I'm like, she really got like up in her space
to put that on, and Ali was kind of like, oh,
like looking kind of odd, like she didn't want to move,

(28:17):
like she was.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Frozen, and she looked uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, because I think she just didn't expect her to
like just kind of like come in like that to
put the thing on her. But right, I think she
does like her, and she just had to get high
to do it publicly. I guess she had. Maybe she
had to get brave. I guess maybe.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I I think I don't know, Like I said, I
I don't think it. I don't think it's something that
she never would have done ever, you know, I think
it's been there in the back of her head. But
mostly I think she's mad at her boyfriend and she
was h oh.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
No, you think it's really going to be like, oh,
we're just friends. Look, I don't care what anyone said.
I know for facts, well at least for me and
my friend group, we don't go around acting like that,
even if we're high. If you're straight, you're straight. You're
not doing that with your bestie. There's just no way.
I don't care how high you are, there's no way.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Rights it's been I'm sure it's been in the back.
I'm sure this didn't come from nowhere. Yeah, I'm sure
it's been in the back of her head. And and
I don't think that she's gonna go oh no, that
didn't happen or anything the next day. But I you know,
I guess, you know, liquid courage so to speak.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
She definitely needed the courage, and that was unfortunate that that,
you know, that guy had to call him out like
that and be all homophobic, like, come on, it's like
a party, why are you doing this.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well, it's good to know that even in the apocalypse,
people can still be shitty.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, I guess it never ends. It never ends. People
always can find the worst of themselves any situation.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
In any situation. It's good to know.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, and in that moment, of course, I'm like, oh no,
Joel is like, of course he like sidetwipes, the guy
got nowhere. Yeah. I was like, oh my god, he
like it happened so fast. And Elie's like, are you crazy?
What's wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I didn't need you to protect me.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
I had this, yeah, because she looked like she was
gonna say something back to him. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
I don't know. Maybe Joel was trying to, like do
pull one of his old you know, I saved her,
you know again, he's always trying to save her, but
she doesn't want to be saved by him.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah. Oh, and and again I think Joel is he's
really struggling to try and figure out how to mend
their relationship, and he really doesn't know how.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
You know, it's probably going to be one of these
things where he literally has to come and straight up
apologize for lying and admit he lied. It's probably going
to be that straightforward. She probably won't take anything else.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
And well there's even the fact that if he does confess,
will she forgive him.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
She will, that's just me. I think she will. I
mean she might not. You know, they might drag it
out a little bit, right, It may not be an
instant forgiveness, but he had her back for years. You know,
I can't imagine that she would. Hell, like you said earlier,
she's still living there. Yeah, she's moved into the garage, right,

(31:49):
but she hasn't abandoned him fully yet, So maybe she won't.
She's just upset about it. And what's abby and her
little you know, firefly friends come around, it's gonna be
a whole another situation to deal with. So maybe it's
gonna be forced out, right, it's gonna be forced out.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, there's question of whose side would what will she
be on Joel's or the fireflies, because she because she
was willing to sacrifice herself to say everyone.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Oh my gosh. Well, I I don't know. I guess
we're gonna have to see how they write the character
because I mean, honestly, I think that would suck so
bad if she left with the fireflies, And I can't
imagine that. I don't know, No what about her little
friend the community, she's like home there.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, And I don't know that she would leave them
per se, but she might. She might side with the
fireflies over Joel. I mean, I could see her telling
the whole. I mean, how would the whole communities feel
that they knew that none of this needed to happen,

(33:12):
that they could have all been saved if Ellie had
just died.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
You know, I think that his family will understand because
you know, his brother Tommy has a kid now, right,
and there's no way that they will let their child
be murdered for science, right.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
And so there was also no guarantee that.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
It will work.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
It would work, right, and and the and the doctor
said as much, we don't know, Well, we're going to
operate and find out right. We hope, we theorize, we
think And honestly, I I kind of feel that if
if the doctor had said, yes, this this will, she

(33:56):
will provide the cure for the for the world, will
be a to cure everyone. I don't Joel's reaction might
have been different, but because it wasn't, it was an if,
not a yes, he couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, And that makes sense to me. And I feel
like Ellie will grasp that. You know, eventually she's gonna
be mad, right, but she's got to understand that someone
who has come to see her like a daughter would
not want her killed on a hope and a prayer

(34:33):
on a maybe. So I gotta believe that she's going
to understand that eventually, hopefully before he dies.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Hopefully. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, So I think even if other people find out
about this, and they probably will, you know, when they
cut blast in there and accuse him, find him and
accuse him of murdering all those people, which he did,
what he did, you know, his family's going to have
his back at the very least, because he'll have to
tell them what happened and then they'll be like, well,
you know, they'll have his back. I don't think they'll

(35:07):
throw him to the wolves.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Well, and I mean, at least at least his brother
knows that Ellie is immune. I don't know how anymore know,
but at least he does.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
So I'm going to assume Mariha knows, because there's no
way Tommy won't tell his wife exactly, and I'm assuming
that's it. Maybe right now.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
I don't know if he told them the circumstances of
what happened when he took her there, because they were
all about it, and as far as I know, he
told he told everyone that they were attacked, right, and
that's what he told Ellie. It was not that it

(35:52):
was him, But then again, he also went in there thinking, oh,
you know, they'll just need like blood samples, maybe some
you know, skin samples or something like that. Not her brain.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, that's wild. Honestly, I don't blame him for what
he did, not at all.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, I mean I don't blame him. I don't know,
particularly since he had no idea that was the end game.
But then again, they weren't expecting him to spend much
time with her either. He was you know, he was
a smuggler. He wasn't. He was just supposed to get
her out from under the walls and you know, to
that one first building that took him like what two

(36:31):
days to get there, And now it should have been
the last that he ever saw her. He would have
gone back to his life and she would have been
whisked off to you know, wherever. But that's not what happened.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
No, they didn't count but I think they, like you said,
you know, that was his job, right to smuggle and
get her there protected, unharmed, and that was it. They
just did not count on them forming like a small
little family, right.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
And again, if it had just been those two days Honestly,
I don't even know that he would have raised an
eyebrow if they had told him that they were going
to take her brain at that point, because he hadn't
bonded with her yet. He straight up told her, you know,
you're not a person, You're a package, right, so you know.

(37:22):
I but after price, it took him what almost what
six months?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, it's a long time, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Six months, a year or something. I mean, it took
him a long time to get that far. So you know,
there was you know a lot of protecting the package
quickly becomes protect the person, you know. And I think
those instincts, you know, that bond that he had formed

(37:50):
with her, just kicked in when he found out what
they were going to do. And I don't blame him.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
No, I think that was just outrageous to and you know,
at that time, again, Ellie was a child, you know,
I don't think she she First off, she felt extremely
guilty about her friend being killed, right, and that she survived,
So she had extreme guilt over that, and so she

(38:17):
thought she had to do anything she needed to do.
And I'm not sure she was in the right frame
of mind to even make that choice. For herself. But
I don't even think she knew she'd be killed.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, but and she felt a lot of because a
lot of people died along the way to get her
that far.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, she felt she owed it to you know, she
that's what she's for, right, right, I'm supposed to do,
you know. But yeah, I think there was a scene
where I can't remember the woman's name, but she basically said,
you know, we made sure that she wouldn't be scared,
right they She essentially said, she doesn't know what's happening

(38:57):
to her.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
She's comfortable.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, she's fine. And I think that is very wrong.
I feel if you're going to do that to someone,
at least give them the whole picture and let them
understand what they're sacrificing.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well from their point of view, though, she was like, no,
Ellio'll just quietly go to sleep and she won't ever know,
and she just won't wake up. Cruel it is, but
it's also expedient.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
It is expedience. She's going to hell in a handbasket.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I hope it's worth it, You're right, you know, because
they're looking at this could be it, this could be
the you know, the cure. But even the guy that
was talking about it, you know, even he said, we
won't know, we don't know. We we are assuming that
the source of her immunity is deep in her brain, right,

(39:54):
But they didn't even know for sure.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
No, And I don't even know if they knew they
could get the quarter step things out of her head
in a way that wouldn't kill them, that they could
study them or do whatever they needed to synthesize, you know,
could they even do it? Did they even have the
proper equipment?

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Right?

Speaker 1 (40:13):
It's so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
And it's not like there's a lot of doctors left
to do that anyway either, you know, because the doctors
would have been you know, first up in the line
to get killed. So there's probably not even if they
get Elie back, you know, even if they could convince
her that to do it again, would there even be

(40:37):
anyone there with the knowledge needed to make a here,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Maybe they could have reassembled a team after five years,
you know, over time, finding more doctors willing to try it.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, But I mean I guess researchers would be less
on the front line than you know, hospital and you know,
clinic doc. But yeah, I mean I guess, sir. I mean,
it's possible there could be researchers out there that they'll
be a little more insulated, but still not easy to find.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, with their network, you know, they're all over the country,
right in different communities, So maybe they can find these
what five or six people to do they can to
do that. Maybe, I don't know. I think it might
be unlikely, but never say never, right, I mean.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
It is a TV show. They can make up anything.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
They they found some doctors that were, you know, hidden
in the secret vault of the CDC. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, they'll just make shit up and it doesn't have
to make sense. It never does on these shows. It
never has to make sense.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
So I will give I will give this to the
last of us. They they have been pretty consistent, but
then again, they're also going heavily off the source material,
which was pretty consistent to begin with, right, so you know,
kind of like with The Walking Dead they were really
good up until they ran out of source material, oh gosh,

(42:07):
and the.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Game of Thrones they were until.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, until they ran out of source material and then
it didn't.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah they Yeah, So I guess maybe you know, because
we don't know the story. You know of what the
game holds, then we it's hard to tell. But and
if you're listening, don't tell us if you've played the game,
don't come back here and leave a comment telling us anything.
Don't spoil it.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Don't spoil it for us. You know that's what our
boyfriends are for.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah. Actually, Kevin will shut up. Yeah, he won't do
it because he knows I would give him the death
stare that he does not want.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Corey. Corey does it. But it's more like squirrel Boy
is just he'll just drop it. And look. Oh, I
wasn't supposed to say that out loud, man, I know
you were wep, say my bad.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Oh look m mmm. So when you set to watch this,
he just ignored it. Oh he was.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Actually he was at work. Okay, he has a weird
work things because Easter is coming up. He's on this
weird work schedule this week. So he was at work
when I watched it.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Good plan, good thing he was.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
You know, I had some time to kill Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
You want him accidentally spoiling more stuff?

Speaker 2 (43:31):
So well, and I don't have to stop the show
as much because he'll water in and out of the
room and when I talk m hm, so I'll pause,
you know, so that I actually got to watch it
straight through.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I interrupted, Nice.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
You know, I had a plan. It worked out in
my favor. So but yeah, I I I I will
say I was kind of curious because Ellie hasn't been
the Joel's brother was when Ellie said, I'm a mused,

(44:07):
He's like, we don't know that. We don't know that.
And when she got bit again, I was going, Oh,
they're not going to really go off book here, are they?
And nope, Nope, she's fine. As a matter of fact,
her reaction seems to be even less.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Which makes me wonder has she gotten bitten in the
last five years while she's been out doing this stuff.
Has she been bitten before and kept it a secret?

Speaker 2 (44:33):
She might have because on her arm you can see,
I mean her arms really disfigured, and when they showed her,
you know, she was picking the stuff out, you know,
the wound and stuff, but there wasn't the runners or
anything like her arm dead. Yeah, so you know, maybe

(44:55):
she's been bit before and she knows that she's still immune.
She's just not saying anything because she doesn't want anyone
to to worry.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, that sounds like something she would do.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, or maybe this is the first time, but because
of the first bite, her immune response is more aggressive.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
She was so calm about it, there was no reaction,
and as she's standing there in the mirror slicing a
shape into her abdomen to cover up the bite mark,
she's not even That's why I feel like maybe she
got bit a get before and we just don't, you know,
we haven't seen it yet. Because she was so calm,
she knew exactly what to do. Let me just conceal

(45:34):
this bite as a you know cut. Actually was just
really smart if anyone sees it.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
But like I said, the big thing is though, was
you know, there's no runners or anything. You know, her
wound was just a wound.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah. So, but also the cortcep thing, you know, the
stalk version. They weren't trying to gnaw her ass to
death either like the other one, so it didn't even
bite her in the same It didn't attack her in
the same manner, This is true, like the other ones
had to like rip her arm off.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
So they already act different, so maybe they bite differently too.
Because they're more controlled. Maybe maybe you don't know. Yeah,
because the light was clean, that was it. It was
like someone took a bite out of her and that
was it. Right.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, and the talker was young. I'd say she would
have been like twelve, twelve to fifteen.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, it didn't even have that full blooming head on
her face hit, So yeah, she was young. Actually, did
you see like that scene where they came across the bear.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah, I'm like, oh.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
My god, those things tried to take down a bear.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah. Wild they're eating the moose too or elk.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, well the bear won.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, I mean it lost, but it won.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
It won because they're dead, but it's still lost. Oh man,
it probably just well it did have like it's guts
hanging out, so there was that.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
But yeah, because they really weren't in the first season,
we really didn't see him eating animals too much. But
I guess they're starting to get desperate.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, I don't know. I guess we'll find out because well,
they all communicate through like the quarters up system, right,
So now that they're kind of like alive within the community,
maybe there will be more that just find their way
there because there are people there mm hm, so that

(48:02):
they don't have to worry about the bears and the
moose anymore.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
We got people, Yeah, because you know, in the first season,
if they weren't eating, they would just do that, they'd
go in that sleep.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Super And now they seem to be out actively looking
for anything to eat.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, because it seemed like they also kind of stayed
in the dark too, right, They weren't just out and
about right.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Right, there were more night I mean, it wasn't they
only came out at night, but they they tended to
stay towards the shadows and stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Mm hmm. Yeah, they're changed, they've changed, and I guess
maybe that must just be the next level of the
game as well, you know, you have to keep leveling
up the monster right right. Hm. Well, you know, I
think this first episode did a really good job. You know,
even though I thought the pacing was a little slow,

(48:59):
I think it did a really good job kind of
laying the groundwork, you know, making us understand that, hey,
it's been five years at least a different person. You know,
she's got other things going on, and you know, obviously
setting up the new threat two threats essentially Abby in
the gang plus you know these stalkers. Yeah, they did

(49:22):
a good drop, laying the groundwork. I think this is
gonna be interesting season, although I think it's only like
seven episodes.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
I can look, yeah, look right quick.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yeah, seven episodes, that's it, which is less than last season.
Last season was nine episodes, So they're short two episodes
this season, which is interesting.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
They better pick up the page next episode.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, but it's not a lot.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
But then again, we already you know, the antagonist is
already there. We saw her in the final scene looking
at you know, looking over the mountains. She knows where
Joel is now, So I'm pretty sure, pretty sure things
will start picking up next episode.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if essentially this whole season
is just in that city, that town.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
I can't imagine them having to travel anywhere for anything,
unless at the end when they all have to leave
there for some reason, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I mean, I suppose they could, because we know that
maur Cilium are in the sewers and they've been digging
them up. M h. It's possible that they may end
up having to abandon the city and everyone scatters.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah, I don't know why when they saw that stuff
in the sewers. Why didn't they set that shit on fire?

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Because people are dumb.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
I feel like I would have immediately tried to burn
it to the ground.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Oh, got me too, take no chances, mm hmm. You know,
it's kind of like, you know, if you see an
aunt your house, don't go okay, no, you do something
about it, you do? I mean their ants.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Where the chemicals? Quick, get it out if you see one, they're.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
More exactly you know, so as soon as if I
had seen that, oh dude, there would have been a
bonfire in the middle of the city.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, they were acting so calm a by it, like
it was just regular weeds. Like you know, again, they've
just become complacent. Yeah, they don't really have the same
worry level, warning level. There's no one in that whole
town even feels a little bit of fear. I mean,

(51:42):
when they're.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Out of the city, you can tell that a lot
of them have more trepidation. But but I think they
feel they're isolated and they feel pretty safe, you know,
even the warnings that hey, you know there there's a
lot more movement, Well you know that happens sometimes. No, Oh,
it doesn't really happen sometimes. That's why we've been safe.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Here exactly, Like, come on, y'all, get it together. Well, honestly,
they're gonna find out real quick that little Council of Theirs.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
They're going to be like, oh, no, perhaps we should
have taken this, uh a little more seriously.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, I mean Ellie is sitting there telling them what's what.
Obviously Dina did not have to lie. I don't know
why she did that, you know, because the head of
the council she's like, I believe Ellie, you know she
I believe what she's saying. Now we know Dina was lying.
But yeah, obviously, yeah, that's crazy. I don't know. They

(52:45):
should have taken it more seriously. But you know, they
had to party, they had to bring in the new year,
I guess.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Priorities, Yeah, priorities, all that.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Life goes on.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Yeah it does. Let's see anything else. I don't know.
I think we've got almost everything.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah, you know, it's you know, like I said, I
think this episode was the setup. It's it's showing that
the distance between you know, Ellie and my brain will
work good Joel. You know the distance between Ellie and

(53:25):
Joel and you know, the you know, the some of
the interpersonal dynamics of the different people there, and you know,
the they've got a good you know, the setup, you know,
the and I think, like I said, I think next
episode it's gonna jump, you know, things are going to

(53:45):
start moving.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, I think, Yeah, they're not going to drag it
out with only seven episodes total total. Abby and the
gang will be there probably next week.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Right, And they were really good about the pacing last year.
So and I don't really I don't really have a
lot of concerns about their pacing. I think because they
kind of did the same thing and in the first
season that first episode was just it was the setup.
You know, we're in the introduction of characters and the dynamics, right,

(54:20):
So I think they did that again this time. But
by when the second episode came, that's when things you know,
you know, took off at a at a brisk pace.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yeah. So although the beginning of that this show was
spectacular with you know, how the whole infestation started, you know,
everyone started catching it. That was a wild episode to
see that, Like, I love that we got to see
the beginning of the outbreak. Yeah, so that was very

(54:53):
different from the other kind of shows we watched, you know,
or we don't really know.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah, and I do appreciate the fact that we were
given that.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah, like the science yness of it. You know, it's
like less obviously it's post apocalyptic, but it's not really
like it is horror as well, but different, you know,
it's not really like that scary horror. You know, it's different.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
I mean there's you know, they do have you know,
some jump factor things going on occasionally, but it's yeah,
I mean it's not gory.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, well a little. Eh, it just depends, I guess
on your tolerance, but yeah, it's not. It's like very
different from the Walking Dead.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
So we have see worse.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Yeah, yeah, we have. We definitely have, that's for sure.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
So all right, I think we're we should probably wrap
this up.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yes, I agree. It's been a fund I'm glad the
show is back. I'm looking forward to the rest of
the season. And thank you everyone for listening to this
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