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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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(00:26):
You won't want to miss a single episode as we
journey through this season. Joining me is show co host Lisa.
Welcome Lisa.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hi everyone. My name is Lisa Orban. I'm an author.
I'm also the founder of Indies United publishing house, and
I love all things pop culture.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
If you are new to the podcast, we are laid
back in our review style.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Right Lisa, Absolutely, Tamor. This is a conversation, not a dissertation.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Exactly, no scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around
and of course, huge spoiler alert for everything in the
past seasons today's episode all the things. The only thing
you don't have to worry about its spoilers from the
game because we haven't played it. We don't play, No,
we don't, but we are going to talk about this episode.
(01:09):
We're gonna jump in and let me just say, right
out the gate, I was like audibly gasping and saying
omg all throughout this episode. How was your experience?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh yeah, this did not go down like I thought
this was at all.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
No, And I know last week I said, I hope
Ellie gets over this before he dies. But I did
not think it would be a second episode.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Right because you and I had we had thought that
there would be like an actual verbal confrontation, yeah, you know,
where the truth would come out and Ellie would find
out and there would be you know, tension between even
more tension between her and Joel. And no, none of that. Now,
(02:04):
I will say this. They did mention you at the
very beginning of the episode, you know, when the one
guy I can't remember his name what and woke Ellie up,
and when they panned through you see her guitar that
he had had on the porch the night before, and
Ellie's like, no, I want to go out with Joel
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and we've worked some things out. And they don't really
say if they've had a conversation or if there was
just an understanding or whatever. And even she said, our
relationship is complicated, you know, and especially to people outside
of it, but there did seem to be some resolution
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between the two of them that I'm wondering if we're
going to get in a flashback later.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I somehow feel like we won't because, to be honest,
I feel like if we were to see Joel again,
even in a memory, it kind of pulls away from
the effectiveness of that trauma we experienced in that episode.
You know, it's like, we see him more, I think
it will just make it weaker. He's gone. I don't
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think we're going to see him again.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I think we're gonna I think we're going to get
at least one flashback at some point, but I'm not.
At this point, I'm not going to make any speculations
because you know, I have no idea what they're going
to do, because again I I knew they were going
to kill Joel. Yeah, I just didn't think they were
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going to do it now.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
No, me neither. And then I saw this thing on
I think Entertainment magazine did an interview or something, and
Pedro Pascal was like, oh, I knew immediately, you know
that they were going to kill him, and how quickly
they would kill him. Basically, he said, you're gonna kill him. Okay, great,
I'll take the role. So essentially I wonder if he
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had something in the contract where, you know, he can't
just keep doing this character forever, so he took it
because he would be killed off.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, I do know, Ellie said in the after interview
from this episode, saying that she knew way back in
the first season that Joel was going to die in
this one. And I do know because I said something.
I My boyfriend wandered in at the end of the episode.
I'm like, Joel's dead, and he's like, yeah, yeah, okay,
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so yeah, apparently that was part of the video game
as well.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, I think that scene actually happened, But again, I
think I was just jarred that it happened so fast.
I was not expecting that, and it just seemed like
it was so easy to kill him. And I think
this is, like, I guess, in defense of the people
who don't like the actress, they picked as Appy because
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it was so easy for her to take him down.
All she had to do was get him on the
ground and this just attack him like there was nothing.
You know, there was no fight, not really, it was
just she attacked him and he took it.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, well, I think part of it was or what
was the girl's name, the girl that likes.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Ellie, Dina.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I think Dina had something to do with it,
because she did say that if he fought, they'd kill her.
And Joel was getting older and.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He's in the sixties they said, was he's like sixty.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And I mean, these are five young people, well trained people.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So well. Appy was the only one who did anything.
Everyone else was like, actually a little unnerved by what
she was doing.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
True, but they weren't stopping or either.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
No. Yeah, and you know they.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Did participate, you know, put a put a tourniquet on them,
you know, get her drugged up this that, you know. So,
I mean she was still very much in charge. Yeah,
but I did think it was kind of interesting when
they sent her out to go on watch. It was
mostly just to it was an attempt to dissuade her
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from doing this. He's like, yeah, He's like, I'm going
to try and convince her to go home.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You know. Yeah, I think they're over it. You know,
they're in that house. They're freezing right y, it's cold
as how. I don't they only wanted to do that
because you know, she she needed that, right, so they're
on her side, so they want that for her. But
I think ultimately they were over it.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah. Well they saw the size. You know, they're like,
this is an a tent city.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I think this is the way they were acting. This
is like the first city they've seen in a while.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, you know, like they have electricity, they have things
going on down there, they have guards, they have weapons,
they have you.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Know, it's not just generators, it's not just tents, it's
not just you know, a surround. I mean, this is
a city, a fully functional city. And and I will
say when when the city was attacked, they actually they
did pretty good.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
They did. Actually I thought, okay, well, first off, those
barrels with gasoline perfect. I mean honestly, I'm like, okay,
that's something. Now set them things on fire. But there
were so many of those you know, clickers and all
kinds of them. I just thought they're going to be overwhelmed.
(07:51):
How it is going to work. So many of them
are going to die. And they didn't lose some people, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh yeah, they lost people. Don't get me wrong. I
mean this was not a this was not a clean cleanup.
This was a are we gonna.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Make it barely by the skin of their teeth? Honestly
they made it, but barely.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, but that was probably the most that that's probably
the biggest horde they've seen in maybe ever mm hmm uh.
And I would like to point out it was Abby
that started it. Yeah. They were all sleeping in the
snow and she had a slide down a mountain and
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she woke them.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Up, she sure did, and they woke up, and honestly,
she the irony of all of it. She was saved
by Joel and then she kills him.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah. See he even said that, He's like, I saved
your life. Yeah, And she's like, so my life has
meant nothing.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, no good deed. Let people die, no good deed. Right. Yeah.
I was like, oh my god, that's horrible. She would think,
I said, by the guy she's about to murder. And
so the cycle continues.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, And and she could see that he he was
concerned about the city, that Dina was concerned about him,
and whatever picture she had of what he was in
her head, there has to be some kind of a disconnect.
And and yes, and and while he did kill the
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doctor and walk on there was a reason why he walked.
He wasn't just killing people randomly. And I don't know
that she knows why he killed all those people.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So in her defense, I guess I can understand Abby's
point of view, because you know, at this point, she
doesn't even care really, because you murdered her father, right,
So right, who cares about the reason? They knew? They
all the fireflies knew what the goal was, right, So
she might not have known that a girl was going
(10:10):
to die per se, but you know that doesn't matter
to her.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'm sure, right, I mean apparently, you know, I mean,
oh yeah, we can kill a fourteen year old girl.
That's fine as long as my daddy makes.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, Well, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
People don't have a lot of people anymore, right, So
that could have been the only family she had left obviously,
you know, besides her little friends. So I kind of
understand the reasoning, even though it's not right exactly. You know,
she had a chance to do something different, but because
she did what she did, now Ellie is going to
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be on this her own revenge mission for aving now
and she will kill her. She will kill her. I
feel like she will eventually she's gonna find her and
they're gonna fight it out.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And I will say this though, so with the whole
you know, the Joel getting beat down and her finding
the house, you know, Ellie fighting the house that they
were holding him in, and you know, when she went
through that door, I'm really kind of shocked that she
did not do better.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Me too, I'm like, all that training and you just
got got as soon as you open the door, Like,
my gosh, that was a mess.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You know, I really thought that she she do a
better showing for herself. I guess I don't know, uh,
because I mean and and again, these guys are trained.
I mean they're all militia.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
But yeah, she took down that giant guy.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, well she was caught off guard. I guess what
she was. It seem like, yeah, she shouldn't have been.
So that is a plot hole in my opinion, for
someone that's so well trained, right.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Right, But then again, you know, we were also talking
last episode that she has gotten fairly cocky mm hmm,
So that might have played some part in it.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Well, she can be cocky when it comes to you know,
the courtercept that you know guys and girls, because you know,
she's immune, but that doesn't mean that she I guess
it's free of humans attacking her and getting one up
on her. So she's misguided. I think she's probably gonna
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be training harder than she ever has now, and I
think maybe that cockiness has been knocked out of her.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Literally, Yeah, and I hope.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So she sits on the horse and they dress Joel
back to the community. Yeah, that's so sad.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Although as they were leaving, I'm going, where the horse?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I know, they should have brought the third horse. Why
didn't they bring that horse?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Where's the horse? They could have put Joel on the horse?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, they could have. Yeah, that was awful actually, and
I felt bad for Dina because I'm sure she's gonna
have some PTSD from that, because you get injected with
something you don't know if you're gonna live or not,
even though the girl you know, promised it. You'll just
be out for an hour. Who would believe them?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And you wake up and your buddy, your your dude's gone.
You know, she had a relationship with Joel as well,
you know, m hm, so, and he's probably gonna be
all messed up. Yeah, yeah, Well.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And this is a community, I mean, and they're going
back to a community that was just has just gone
through the ringer with you know, with this hoard that
came through. And Joel was one of their city planners. Yeah,
he was the one that fixed the things, you know,
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like the the breakers and stuff that other people. You
know that apparently it's a skill that not a lot
of people have, right, So without Joel, they're they're gonna
limp even more than they would have just from being attacked.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Well, you know. So also, you know, one of the
guys saw the quarters ups in the in the what
do you call it, the two I guess the sewer
connection or whatever, and he went to get Tommy. He's like,
get Tommy, you know, and of course all that stuff
jumped off, so he never got a chance to tell
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him about it.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So we don't even know if that guy lived or died.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, we don't. So we know that, yes, they defeated
all of the all the hoard that came into their walls,
but now they may not know about the corn ups still, right,
so it's not over for them. This is oh yeah,
and they're returning to a place where people are cleaning bodies,
(15:16):
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
You know, going through and cleaning up all the fund
his heads and yes, and you know, and they're dead,
and you know all the buildings that were lost due
to the fire, yeah, and having to rebuild their walls
and their stores, you know, because they pretty much threw
everything they had at this m hm. The only possible
(15:44):
good good part to this is because they all woke
up and they all came, uh, all the ones that
were hiding in the snow. Hopefully or when spring comes
will be it won't be as bad.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Right, They've been accounted for, because it seemed like they
all got up and they just kept coming and coming.
I mean, that was a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, and like I said, their reaction, I think this
may be the largest group they have seen in maybe ever,
because that was I mean we saw in the very
first episode we saw quite a few of them m
(16:28):
but I can't think of any point since then that
we've seen more than maybe two dozen in any one spot.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, we haven't really seen a lot of that this
season yet.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So but even last season, you know, when they were
going through and I think maybe the most was in
that one house, but that that horde, that came down
far outnumbered. What was in that house?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh yeah, no doubt it. Yeah, it was overwhelming. You know, honestly,
that whole community could have died if they were any
less prepared, you know, Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
You know they had in the fact that they're like
doing the you can tell that this is a city
that has been preparing for this emergency.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So let me just ask you this, what did you think,
because I know you'd like to think about the logics
and how all of this stuff can happen. So we
are far into the apocalypse now, and they had a
lot of AMMO, a lot a lot of weapons, a
lot of AMMO, a lot of gas. What does that
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seem like something that should be possible for this city,
in this in this mountain that has nothing here? Does
that seem well?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I mean, there's a good chance that they have scavenged
a lot of it. But because they are a city
and they do have some limited manufacturing, they may have
been making their own bullets maybe and we're assuming that
it's gas, but there's also a good chance that was ethanol.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It could have been I don't know where they get
it from, but somewhere ethanol comes from corn well, I
didn't see any cornfields, so I don't know, right.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, but I mean you can, you can make biogas.
So I mean it's it's pop or moonshine, you know,
I mean it could have because it we don't really
see what it is. We're making assumptions.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, that's the thing. They don't really show us a
lot of things. I feel like they're already on this,
you know, they really just want us to take what
we're seeing at face value and don't ask any questions
because we're not really seeing any of the mechanics to
how this city worked, right, And.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I'm sure that are also pillaging from from other communities.
But like I said, I it might have been gas,
but again, it just as easily could have been you know,
biodiesel of some kind. It could have been uh, or
it could have been moonshine. We know that they have
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they've been making alcohol. We know they have a still,
and God knows, moonshine is extremely flammable and and it
works on principle the same as gasoline. It just burns
hotter m hm. So I mean technically moonshine would be
better to burn these with than gasoline would have been
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just because it burns hotter faster.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
It just seemed like they had a lot to me,
like a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
But you know, and we don't know how long it's
we don't know how long they've been storing this stuff up. Yeah,
we don't because you know, can sealed in a barrel
of technically it could stay that way for years. So
they could have been stockpiling this stuff for because it's
been a while. It had been several years before before
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Joel and Ellie showed up that they their community had
been attacked. HM, so you know, they're probably going on
like at least eight years since a major attack, or
at least five years.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
So that would give I mean, that would give them
enough time to build a you know, build up stores.
And because we know that other communities in their area
have been getting hit and they've been bringing in survivors,
you know, they're not as complacent as we thought they were.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, I mean, they they definitely appeared to have a
little bit of complacency, but apparently not. They've had drills,
they knew what to do, and that was I was
impressed by that. They were very orderly about it, and
everyone knew what to do, and no one was screaming
running down except for those two jokes. Those two punks
(21:10):
they had the the guns with the fire I guess
the flames, yeah, the flamethrowers. Two of them ran off.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I saw that.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I'm like, youre're some punks right here? What is this?
You just go run away? Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Okay, So I had this weird thought in the middle
of this episode when they were on the walkies. I'm like,
oh my god, you mean they can't reach hundreds of
miles on a walkie.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
They need those walkies from the Walking Toad universe and
then they'd be all good.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I'm saying, but I mean really, I did actually like
the fact that they were having troubles communicating that the
storm was interfering with their reception that there were problems,
you know, that these walkies weren't fail proof. I like
that because it did it. It was a little more realism, yeah,
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than we were having on Save Hear the Walking Dead,
where apparently walkies worked for hundreds of miles.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right who knew? Yeah, who knew?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And they and they did have an antenna and they
were trying to boost the signal, you know, probably putting
something on the towers to boost the signal. I don't
know that much about you know, shortwave broadcasting, but I
know that there are ways that you can boost it, right,
but it also takes more power, So but yeah, I did.
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It was just one of those little moments. I'm like, hey,
look the walkies are working like they actually should.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I agree. I thought that was good. I'm like, look
at them being all, you know, more accurate with the communication.
And actually that really lent itself well to the plot actually,
because they couldn't figure out what the hell was going
on with people, so you.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Know, there was there was a lot of uncertainty. There
was a lot of confusion, and and there would be
in a in a real life story that this would
be daunting and confusing and scary, and and the storm
was not helping with their visibility, you know, and and
being able to see what was coming at them because
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you know, the the skyline with the with the snow
and the and the you know, the drifts and everything else. Uh. Yeah,
I mean it was probably good that they came, that
they came in the winter because when they set all
that stuff on fire, that if they had done that
and say, like a dryer season, the city probably would
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have been lost.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I mean, honestly, I'm surprised that they let them go
out in that kind of storm like that. It was
a serious storm. It wasn't some flurries. Why go out, Like,
why send people out.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
To because I don't think because when they first went out,
I mean, it was cold, but it wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Well, they recalled them quicker than what they did. They
were kind of lollygagging around and waited till things seemed
to like like alarms started going off in their heads
before they decided to try to recall them. You know.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, but it's not like they have the National Weather Service.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I know, I get what you're saying. But they've been
out there a while, they know how the weather is. Well, yeah,
but I mean it's their first winter, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
But a lot of times, you know, they're up in
the mountains and there's a lot of times where it'll
hit the peaks, but it doesn't come down to the valleys.
And you can see that it had hit the peaks first.
So when they went out, none of them were actually
going up into the peaks. They were staying more in
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the valley area.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
So I don't know, Joel, And do you know we
went up there.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, but they went up there after they picked you know,
the girl up.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, but I think they were they might have been
up at the top, but they were close enough that
she could see them, just see them. So they weren't
exactly at ground level. They were a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right, but I mean, but but from her vantage point,
they were. They were small, yeah, you know, so they
weren't close close, they were you know, some distance away. Yeah.
I think it was just her single mindedness that she thought,
oh I can find I can go after these people
on horses, you know, watch me go.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And she did and create a big mass, I really did.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And like I said, I guess in some way, I
guess it's good that it happened that she did wake
them up now as opposed to all of them waking
up in the spring, because I don't think it would
have been the The snow in some ways helped him because,
like I said, things were wet and harder to burn
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because you know, they weren't dry. Everything was was wet
as only snow can do. So, especially since you know
they were using flamethrowers.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
That's actually pretty smart actually, so that one that kind
of came for Tommy because he distracted it away from
his wife. That thing was so monstrous looking. I'm like,
oh my god. I almost thought he was gonna bite it.
I almost thought, is this the end for Tommy? But
it just died just in time.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Right, you know, paces just paces from him. Oh and
he kind of reminded me of something out of a
more like a Marvel comic, didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
He kind of yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
But yeah, he was He wasn't he wasn't the leader,
but you know, he he was definitely you.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Know, he broke through the wall first. Yeah, he broke
through the wall. And then I don't know, he was
just coming. It was like this.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Wall of monster just he was a losss.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah. That must have been a really really old turn
to be like that, right right.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, And I mean and we do know that they
differentiate themselves into different types of you know, clickers, but yeah,
he was. Uh. They did say that he was one
of the largest one largest ones that they had made
that was still mobile.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah. Actually I had to look up. I wanted to
look up the type of infected that they had, and
I think that one was called a rat king. No,
that was no. The rat king is one where there's
more than one fused together, so he was was he bloater?
Was he a bloater?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Rare bloaters are from I thought they were more like
submerged or it could be wrong, but I had something
to do with water.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Okay, so let's see bloaters. The rarest and most powerful stage.
Bloaters are incredibly strong and armored with fungal plates. They
can launch Mico mico toxin sacks and are incredibly dangerous.
Oh my gosh, maybe maybe, I don't know. So they
have runners, stalkers. Those stalkers were the ones that I
(28:57):
think we saw last episode. Clickers, bloaters, shamblers, and then
rat king. Those are all the different variations infected in
the game. So I'm sure we'll see all of them
on screen, all right.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I don't know why, but I was thinking bloaters had
something to.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Do with water because it sounds like it, because bloating.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
You know, Yeah, I mean that makes sense. Yeah, I
don't know, but yeah, I was. I thought this was
a really good episode. I was shocked. I was not
expecting Joel to die. No, apparently the way he died, though,
was the way he died more. I mean, the manner
(29:39):
in which he was killed was right out of the
video game.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, that was so daring to me. I'm sitting there like,
oh my god. And then she goes and looks at
the golf clubs. I'm like, oh no, oh my god.
I just knew he was just gonna get bea to death.
And that is exactly what happened.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, And even before Ellie showed up, you know, the
one guy that was that seemed to be closest to
her was like, you know, just end it, Yeah, just
end it. Let's just end this. And now she and
and in the back of my head, all I could
think of is okay, yeah, Joe killed your dad fair enough.
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But at least he died painlessly. It was one shot
to the head. I don't think he felt his body
hit the floor.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
No.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And while that's terrible that he died, I mean, there
are way worse ways to die in this universe.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
The kind of person you have to be to beat
someone like that. That says a lot about Abby in itself.
Because you're right, why not just shoot him in the
head and be done with it? Right? Why do all
of that.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Because she it She in the in the first episode
of the season, she said, it's not enough for him
to die. He has to suffer. Yeah, and by god
he did she did, mm hmm. And and honestly, I
don't think that Abby would have forged would I don't
think Ellie would have forgiven her. But if she had
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not beaten him to death, I'm not sure would be
quite so rage filled, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Well, you know, now, Ellie, though she has the rage,
she's like, I'm gonna kill you, kind of kill you
if she means it.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
She means it, Oh, she absolutely, I mean yeah. And
there are similarities between Ellie and Abby, there really are,
you know, that single minded determination, the you know, but.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Like Abby doesn't know what she created. You know, she thinks,
I got my this is done. This some little girl
just talking mass less go. She doesn't realized she probably
should have killed her then, because that woman is not
going to stop coming for you, right.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Well, And you know, honestly, she should have figured that
out because the whole reason that she did this is
because Joel killed her father, right all right, and she
should have been able to see that Joel and whoever
this girl was had some kind of relationship, because she
was like, Joel, get up, you know, and you could
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hear it in her voice. You could hear that she
loved this man. So the fact that Abby completely discarded
this other girl and her feelings and what he may
have meant to her in her need for revenge says
a lot.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, she's very, she was very just single minded, right.
She couldn't think and and no one could think around
her either. They just wanted to get out of there because, honestly,
I'm sure they were all so grossed out and just
jarred by looking at Joel's face in his body. They
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just wanted to get the hell out of there.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, I'm sure they were thinking, this is not really
what we signed up for. No, I mean revenge. I
think revenge. They understood torture they did not.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
No, and she was just gonna keep going too. That
is so oh my god. Abby is a horrible kind
of person. Even though I understand her need for vengeance,
I feel like the method that she delivered that says
she's not a good person.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Well, she had the opportunity is when she grabbed that gun,
she could have just killed him and been done with it.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
M h.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And here's the thing. If she had done that, they
would have been out of there way before Ellie ever
showed up.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Oh yeah, she wouldn't have had a clue who get it.
They would have been gone, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And yeah, and while Dina would have woken up, I mean,
she could have described it, but she wouldn't have known
who they were, where they came from, anything, mm hm.
And with the storm, you know, all their tracks would
have been buried, so yeah, there wouldn't have been any
idea of who this person was. They would have been
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technically safe from Ellie.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
But no, no, she wanted to torture him to death,
and that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I feel like she's gonna get what she deserves, but
I don't know. I hope that whenever that confrontation comes about,
that it's satisfying for us as the audience, because we
got these two little girls literally I'm saying little because
they're short, skinny girls.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I don't know how that's gonna look on camera or
what that's going to be like, but I hope it
at least is satisfying because oh man.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, because I mean, I'm sure part of I mean, Ellie,
the brutal way in which Joel died is not something
that Ellie will ever be able to let go.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I mean, you'll have nightmares about that ship, like he
was bludgeoned to death, and then the last you know,
when she stuck the thing in his neck or whatever.
I'm like, oh my god, who, She's gonna probably see
that every time she closed her eyes for a very
long time.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Oh yeah, I'm sure of it. And it's this is
not something that she's going to be able to let go.
Because again, it wasn't just that Joel was killed. He
was tortured, he was brutalized. You know, this is this
is a step beyond a revenge kill.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Like I said, I just watching it as the viewer,
I was like, oh my gosh, I was gasping. I
was saying, no, I was so upset for him, you know,
Oh yeah, my gosh, I cannot believe this is happening. Yeah.
I felt like I was shocked. I felt like I
was done dirty by this show.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Well, and Heavy was through the whole thing. She was
freaking gleeful, yeah, I mean jovial. Even she was.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Enjoying it, which says again about her actual personality, what
kind of person she is at the core of it.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
You know, Do I have any doubt that Ellie would
kill somebody if she had to? Oh? Absolutely, But I
don't think she has an inner to somebody.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Well, at least not at this point in time. Anyway,
Maybe if she gets enough fuel behind the anchor, maybe,
but I don't know. She doesn't seem like that kind
of person.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
No. I mean, we could be completely wrong on this,
but I think in the final confrontation, if if it
comes down to just fists between the two of them, oh,
Abby'll go toe to toe. Or I mean Ellie'll go
to to toe with Abby.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Oh yeah, she fights grown men.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Without a doubt. Yeah, but Abby would not be be
tied up on the ground unable to defend herself, right,
I think that would be a line too far for Ellie.
Now I could be wrong, but I do believe it
would be.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Which is funny because Abby is the one that gave
this speech about you know, moral codes and having a
code about things, and there she is going against that code, right.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Ye know, shooting you know, people unable to defend themselves,
so on and so forth. And I guess in a way. Yeah,
the doctor was you know, couldn't defend him, was defenseless
to a degree. But he wasn't exactly a good guy either.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
No, he was willing to kill a child.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
So and now, okay, so I was watching these like
this one podcast on TikTok and they played the game,
so they were familiar with the game, and I thought
that you would get a really interesting laugh out of this.
So apparently that doctor in the game, that doctor is
no one special. You know how we were talking about
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last week, how we were saying, how hard would it
be to find more of these kind of doctors and scientists,
you know, more people like this to do this kind
of work. Right, this deal was a general fucking doctor.
He wasn't even like a surgeon. No, he wasn't a
brain surgeon or anything. He was just a regular ass doctor. Oh,
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in the game. So he was he knew he was
going to kill that girl. He knew he was gonna
kill Ellie because he didn't have the skill set to
even do what needs to be done and try in
any attempt not to kill her. You know what I'm saying,
He didn't know how to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, because brain surgery is a specialty.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
And then he probably didn't know what to do with
the cornceps when he got him out either.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Probably not, because I mean, a general practitioner is a
good doctor, Don't get me wrong. Gps are great if
you have a general problem. If you you know, have
a broken leg, or you've got a cold or an earache,
you know, you go to your GP.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
No, yeah, I don't want to go given any other
specialized medication or specialized surgeries.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Right, you don't go to your GP for heart surgery, no,
or replacement or anything else. Like you know, you don't
even go to your GP to get you know, to
get your appendix taken out.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
You go to a surgeon.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
And and now that's not to say, I mean doctors
do go through a rotation, right, you know, as they
become doctors, and they will do like an eer rotation
and a surgical rotation. And so it's not like they're
not they're completely unfamiliar. But again, brain surgery is a specialty.
Surgery is a specialty.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
And honestly, if you do that wrote those rotations when
you're in residence, that guy looked older, right. Plus we
were in the apocalypse so I'm sure it's probably been
a decade since he actually performed anything like that, you know, anything,
And it definitely wasn't brain surgery.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Right, And to be able to turn to make a
cure would require a skill set to know how to.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Right, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I mean, and I suppose maybe he had time to
read books and stuff on virology and.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Vaccines, you know, but I don't know. I'm not confident
that he had the knowledge.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
No, I don't if he was a general practitioner, the
odds of him actually being able to a perform the
surgery in such a way that whatever he got out
of there was useful exactly, and then to be able
to use that without it dying.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Like how do you synthesize that? Like what do you do?
Like they don't even know. He probably don't even know. Okay,
So like best case scenario, he read a book and
he might have figured out something, but guess how so
few things work on the first try.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, Well, and then how do you keep it alive?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Right? Because we know that.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
It's living in her brain, it's not dead. It's a
living thing in her brain, right, which means it's dependent
on her being a lot of the I mean, it's
symbiotic at that point. If she dies, it probably would die.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
It seems like that would be the case. But which
makes this whole thing even more stupid to me, Like
this whole domino effect was not like the first domino
of her going into that surgery was not necessary. That
did not need to happen. They did not have the
knowledge to do.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
That, right. And the other thing is they didn't even
try any other methodology first because it may not have
had to have been her brain matter or the thing
inside of her brain.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Like why not try to use her blood exactly, Like
that's the most basic thing. Drawn some files of blood
and see what you can do.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Or even her tissue, yeah, because technically it would be
within her her entire system. I mean, they could have
tried to culture her her skin cells or even taking
a soft tissue core sample and which is while invasive,
(43:30):
is not deadly, right, I mean, christ for they could
have even done like a bone marrow extraction and use that,
you know, see if they could do something before they
decided to dig into her brain. Yeah, so there were options,
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you know.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Right, So with all of that said, it's like again
this show, Yeah, I get it, they're following the lead
of the game, right, But it's like when you start
to dig into things, it's like, why are we even
doing this? Like we got here and there's no reason
to be here. When you start going back to the
beginning and just thinking about the most basic thing.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I don't do you remember from the first season, and
I don't. I don't recall this. So when she went
in there, for when she was taken to the fireplace,
did they even like do a brain scan on her
or anything.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
No, So I feel like what happened was Okay, they
showed up there, and obviously Joel was knocked out, remember right,
So we don't even know what happened to her when
she got in when they got her there, so we
just know, next thing we know, he's waking up and
they're like, oh, she's in surgery. That's it. So I
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don't even know if they did anything before.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Even if they had the ability to do anything, I mean,
they should have. I mean, at the very least, they
should have taken an X ray or something of her
head thing something. I'm not sure an ice tray would work.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
I mean, I'm sure they don't have one of those
other machines, Yeah, MRI machine networks probably not.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
But yeah, just to so that at that point they're
they're even making assumptions that where it even is right.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
It might not. What if it's like in her spine
or something right and it might not be in her brain.
Why would they think, I don't know, see it. Stop
thinking logically about things, Tamra. That's what I'm trying to
tell myself, like, just I'm trying not to do that
too much. But it's like kind of silly though, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I can see, yeah, but I can actually see desperate
people desperately wanting a cure and knowing that they're losing
the fight. They are losing the fight they are Yeah,
unlike the Walking Dead, where they're at least holding the line.
(46:02):
This is a society that is not or this is
a reality that humans are not doing well. They may
have maybe one more generation maybe with the with the
number of deaths and and the fact that uh, you know,
(46:22):
Abby and her group, the fact that they were shocked,
you know, of how well Jackson was doing, which tells
me that even like this, the city that originally Joel
came from, you know that we started off this you know,
the show in probably doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah, weren't they like in Boston or something, or they
were on the East coast.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, something tells me that almost all the major citadels
have fallen. And and as Joel and and Ellie traveled
the country, even the ones, you know, everyone that they
went through something bad had happened to them, they had not,
you know, they'd either fallen or they were on the
brink of So yeah, this is the I can see
(47:09):
that by the time that Joel and Allie made it
to the fireflies there, they were so desperate for a
cure that they were willing to do anything, whether they
understood it or not. I think they may have convinced
themselves that once she was dead, they could just dissect
her body and do whatever they needed to do. Yeah,
(47:31):
you know, they could dice her up and pickle her
up and you know, dissector and they could just use
whatever they could find that might be useful. And I
think that was probably their plan.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
You know, you might be right there, but I still
think there's a huge like falling in their plan. Yeah.
It's like you only have one person that you know
of that's immune, just one, right, you get one try, right,
and we know just from you know, trials of medicine,
(48:06):
you never get shipped right on the first try. It
doesn't happen. So I okay, I mean I get the desperation,
but my goodness, let's go on a hunt for some
actual scientists. There's got to be somewhere around here, somewhere.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, you know, I mean, if they were really committed
to this then and they have been preparing for this,
then they should have found a a horologist, you know,
or you know, someone who is I mean not even
necessarily a human doctor, but someone that is experienced in
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fun guy would probably have been a good a person
to be there city beside the doctor, you.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Know what I mean? Something, just make it make sense.
That's all just a little something more. And how much
would it have cost them to get an extra random
person to say a couple of lines about being smart
about mushrooms. I don't know, right, fungus whatever, I don't know.
I just throw a couple things in there to make
it make sense. Because all of this technically, and yes,
(49:15):
it's all in the script, right, it's all in the game.
But this could have been avoided.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, but then there would be conflict.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
I know, but the conflict is stupid.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
You know. I'm just saying that if we were at
this comunity and it was idyllic and nothing bad ever happened,
you know, it would get very boring.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Gray, Oh, it definitely would. So now we have a
main character that you know, Pedro Pascal was also in
another show where they killed one of the main characters
pretty quickly and it did pretty well. So you know,
people have done this and it's been fine. And of course,
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because it's happened already in the game, they already have
a game plan for it, right right, So I think
the show is still gonna be good. But I just,
you know, I'm a little sad that they killed him
so quickly.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
I mean, I really liked him as a character. Joe
was an awesome character.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, we did. I wanted more of therapy scenes and
I don't know, more something like we got a little
bit into, you know, the mundaneness of the life that
they were living. But it was so fast and then
it's over.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah. But again, you know, like it is a it
is a short season, so you know, got to get
in there and get this stuff done.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Did it cracking and that's what they did. They said, bam,
bam bam. We had a battle, you know, a huge
battle at Jackson. We even had a little apology from
the guy who was made them steak sandwiches because he
was an asshole at the party.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
And her reaction was so great. Yeah, that's fine, Yeah, whatever.
She won't even touch the sandwiches.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Man, I wouldn't either. I'm like, what's in the sandwich?
You tried to off me? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (51:13):
I thought was hope you didn't spit in it.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't ate the sandwich either, but you
know so, and even honestly, we even got a little
bit inside of Abby's psyche, a little bit, you know,
she's dreaming about herself, you know so, I mean we
got a little bit of things, and then the action
(51:36):
put pushed the plot forward, so we're ready to rock
and roll. I wonder what's next. It's like I almost
can't even I don't almost don't even want to try
to guess because I'm sure I'll be wrong.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Yeah, and I'm with you of that, because I really
thought that Abby and her group would would go down
to the settlement and tried to pass themselves off is
a survivor of some small other settlement or something.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
And I think that's probably what their plan was until
you know, Abby happened to come across Joel.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah, sheer dumb luck.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
That was sheer dumb luck and Joel's demise, poor Joel.
You know, like, I don't know, two wrongs don't make
it right, But my goshugh, Okay, So I'm curious to
see what's next. I'm excited to see what's next. It's
only like, what five more episodes. It's such a short season, right,
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so if they've already planned too how many seasons there's
going to be, I think there's only going to be
like four. I think that's what they said.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah, my guess is we will probably the rest of
this season is going to be the build up for
Ellie to go out and find Abby. I think the
confrontation between the two of them will be next season
that I will predict they might come.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
To do with the rest of the season, though.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I think it's going to be next week. And again
this is me making a prediction that I said I
wasn't going to do. My guess is next week is
going to be clean up and emotional trauma from Joel's
death and the city, you know, city wide clean up.
Then it's going to be Ellie trying to figure out
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who these people were and the making a plan to
go after and get them. I don't know. After that,
I'm not sure. I think two of them will meet
up before the end of the season again, but there won't.
My guess is there's not going to be a resolution
between the two of them, and it's probably going to
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be a cliffhanger.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
You know. It also wouldn't surprise me entirely if they
kind of, yeah, did the kind of maybe did the
funeral thing or whatever, and then time jumped us ahead.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
A little bit, yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Like six months or something, you know, just so not
to waste time on reconstruction and all that other stuff.
But maybe maybe not. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
Yeah, we'll have to see how it shakes out. Anything else,
any other hot items you want to talk about?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
No, I think, you know, I think I think we
got it.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Yeah, it was a good episode. I was thrilled, honestly
with how good it was, and that's all I can
ask for.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
You know. I was just you know, when she stuck
that that golf club in his neck.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
I'm just like no, no, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
And then if my brain is going, well, how can
it come back from this? Well, he's not.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
He's not, he's dead.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
But I just you know, it took me. It took
me a couple of minutes to process, is that Joel
is dead? Actually dead?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah, and already Like, honestly, people, if you have, if
you have not been avoiding spoilers, you were spoiled immediately
because people were online complaining and saying how shocked they
were and you know, bawling and all this other ridiculous
reactions to the death. And apparently they even posted I
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guess was it that night or the next morning they
posted a photo of Pedro Pascal and Caitlin something whatever
that actress's name is all, you know, being all happy
in the camera after filming that episode. So people were like, chill,
it's just pretend.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
Right, they're still alive. They are really still He's still alive.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, and they like each other in real life. It's fine.
So that crazy, you know how people get.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Oh yeah, just because you you may not like their character,
don't take it out on the actor personally.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
Yes, because we know plenty of shows where the actors
have been harassed in other things because the viewers didn't
like what was going on.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeah, which isn't fair. I mean, no, every every good
story needs a good bad guy. They just they I mean,
if you had a lame bad guy, it's kind of
a lame show.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
I agree. The villain has to be villain ing.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
Yeah, I mean in the character. The people that can
pull off a good villain. I mean you got to
give them props because they're you know, holding it, you know,
holding up. They're part of the show. So when when
fans take it personally, they really shouldn't, you know, they
should be I mean they can hate that character, right,
(56:56):
but they never should hate that actor because of probably
care is acting exactly.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Although that Caitlin Dever i think is her name, that
plays Abby, she's good at being not a good person
on on camera because did you watch that Apple Cider Vinegar?
Oh my gosh, she plays this woman who faked acted
like she had cancer to make money as a social
(57:23):
media person. Oh yes, based off of a true story.
But she's good at being like ick, you know, giving
people the ick.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah. But I mean there's a lot of actors out
there though. I mean they spend their entire career playing
nothing but bad guys. Yeah, you know, and then you
have the one act. You have certain actors that always
play the good guy, and if they ever play a
bad guy or people are.
Speaker 1 (57:45):
Like, no, you know, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
And I do know that certain characters. You know, there
are certain people that embody their character to such an
extent that it's hard to imagine. It's it's kind of
hard to separate them. But you know, Captain America and
uh Chris Evans are not the same person. No, they
(58:13):
are not, you know, And I'm not saying Evans isn't
a nice person. From all accounts, he's a nice person,
but he's not Captain America.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
Right, Like, come on, people, let's let's keep uh, reality
and fiction separate. I don't understand what fiction is. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
So you know, when someone can play a really good
bad person that can make you just see the go, oh,
what bad things to happen? I mean to the character,
not the person.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
I know, Like, I always think of that poor kid.
I guess he's not a kid anymore. But from Game
of Thrones he like ran off and stopped acting.
Speaker 2 (58:50):
Oh yeah, Jeffrey.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
Yeah. He did so good at that that people just
basically harassed him on the street.
Speaker 2 (59:00):
Oh yeah, well, I mean, what's his name from The
Walking Dead? You know who played a uh?
Speaker 1 (59:09):
Was it.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
BRANDI work good? Uh?
Speaker 1 (59:17):
Oh? Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Jeffrey Dean Morgan. You know, I mean Meagan. He I mean,
we all love to hate Meagan.
Speaker 1 (59:28):
Yeah, but I think in his defense, though, he's been
in a lot of things before The Walking Dead, so
I don't think people just see him as a straight villain.
I think they kind of see him as himself, as Nagan,
which is like a whole nother problematic thing, right. Uh.
But yeah, he's been like heart throbs on stuff like
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Grey's Anatomy and you know, The Good Wife, So he's
been like these different kind of roles. I don't know,
so he unfortunately lucky for him, I guess I should say, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Know, but I mean, but he does a really good
job making Meighan a horrible person. Yeah, a piece of
work man, And and you and I have have gone
on and on about his whole story and everything else,
but I mean you have to agree he plays the
character well.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah, he does, he does. He plays it very well
to the point where I mean, honestly, I don't know
if I told you, but I was watching the latest
season of Invincible when it was airing, and he played
one of the Vultumites that was very powerful, and he
came and he was just like beating the crap out
of Invincible, and I was like, he is acting like Meigan,
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this is Nigan two point zero in cartoon Forum. I'm
telling you, the voice, the into, the inflections of his voice,
the tone, everything, I'm like, oh my god, this is Nigan.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Old guy.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
So, but yeah, I think I think the show is
off to a rolling good start. So I'm excited about
next week's episode. It's like, come on, just give me
the next one.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
I know. I would love for them to drop a
couple of these episodes back to back. I was so
be benching it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Oh god, yes, yeah, I love I love a good bench.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Yeah me too. I haven't had one of those in
a minute.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
But okay, Oh, I binged the pit the other night, So.
Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Do you really like that? You must since you bened it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, I did. I watched it in two days.
Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
So I okay, I must be the odd ball because
I really want to like it. People keep saying how
great it is. But I think the first episode I
was kind of getting the ick and I'm like, okay,
but I'll keep watching. And then I find myself playing
a game on my tablet, are doing whatever. I'm like,
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why is this so boring? Why is it so slow?
I just it has not caught me like everyone else.
I didn't catch the pit bug. It did not hit
for me like everyone else. Maybe the timing is off.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
I enjoyed it. See, I thought there was only eight episodes.
I'm like, yeah, I can Yeah, there was many more
than that. And I was really mad because I'm like,
I'm finishing this.
Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yeah. I watched like four episodes before I said, eh,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yeah, I'm like all right, it was like eleven o'clock.
I'm like, I got two more episodes to go. I
am finishing this. I did.
Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Oh wow, good for you.
Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
I was committed anyway, So I think we're done. What
do you think?
Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
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Hey bye, hey everyone, welcome back to the podcast. Let
me should I always be uffing up this line? Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Okay, hey gad, we're not live.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Hey, you know what, I tried to rewrite the intro
and I don't like it, so okay, okay, hey everyone,
welcome back to the podcast. We are breaking down the
last of Us Season two, episode two, through the Valley.
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I'm your host, Tamara, and I am glad you hit
that play button on today's episode. Please follow us on
your favorite social media platforms. The link to find both
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won't want to miss a single episode as we journey
through this season. Joining me is show co host Lisa.
Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Welcome, Lisa, Hey, Tamra, Hey everyone, my name is Lisa
orban Let me redo that Hi everyone. My name is
Lisa Orban. I'm an author. I'm also the founder of
Indies United publishing house, and I love all things pop culture.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Okay, so if you are new to the podcast, we
are laid back in our review style, right.
Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Lisa, absolutely, Tamora. This is a conversation, not a dissertation.
Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Exactly, no scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around,
and of course, huge spoiler alert for everything in the
past seasons, today's episode, all the things. The only thing
you don't have to worry about is spoilers from the
game because we haven't played it. We don't play, No,
we don't. But we are going to talk about this episode.
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We're going to jump in and let me just say,
right out the gate, I was like audibly gasping and
saying omg all throughout this episode. How was your experience? Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yeah, this did not go down like I thought this
was at all.
Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
No, And I know last week I said, I hope
Ellie gets over this before he dies. But I did
not think it would be the second episode.
Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Right, because you and I had we had thought that
there would be like an actual verbal confrontation, yeah, you know,
where the truth would come out and Ellie would find
out and there would be you know, tension between even
more tension between her and Joel, and no, none of that. Now,
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I will say this. They did mention, you know, at
the very beginning of the episode, you know, when the
one guy I can't remember his name what and woke
Ellie up, and when they panned through, you see her
guitar that he had had on the porch the night before,
and Ellie's like, no, I want to go out with
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Joel and we've worked some things out. And they don't
really say if they've had a conversation or if there
was just an understanding or whatever. And even she said,
our relationship is complicated, you know, and especially to people
outside of it, but there did seem to be some
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resolution between the two of them that I'm wondering if
we're going to get in a flashback later.
Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I somehow feel like we won't, because, to be honest,
I feel like if we were to see Joel again,
even in a memory, it kind of pulls away from
the effectiveness of that trauma we experienced in that episode.
You know, It's like, we see him more, I think
it will just make it weaker. He's gone. I don't
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think we're going to see him again.
Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
I think we're gonna I think we're going to get
at least one flashback at some point, but I'm not
At this point. I'm not going to make any speculations
because you know, I have no idea what they're going
to do, because again, I I knew they were going
to kill Joel. Yeah, I just didn't think they were
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going to do it now.
Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
No, me neither. And then I saw this thing on
I think Entertainment magazine did an interview or something, and
Pedro Pascal was like, oh, I knew immediately, you know
that they were going to kill him, and how quickly
they would kill him basically, and he said, you're going
to kill him, Okay, great, I'll take the role. So essentially,
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I wonder if he had something in the contract where
you know, he can't just keep doing this character forever,
so he took it because he would be killed off.
Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Well, I do know, Ellie said in the after interview
from this episode, saying that she knew way back in
the first season that Joel was going to die in
this one. And I do know because I said something
I my boyfriend wandered in at the end of the episode,
I'm like, Joel's dead, and he's like yeah, yeah, okay,
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so yeah, apparently that was part of the video game
as well.
Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Yeah, I think that scene actually happened. But again, I
think I was just jarred that it happened so fast.
I was not expecting that, and it just seemed like
it was so easy to kill him, And I think
this is like, I guess in defense of the people
who don't like the actress they picked as Abby because
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it was so easy for her to take him down.
All she had to do was get him on the
ground and this just attack him like there was nothing,
you know, there was no fight, not really, it was
just she attacked him and he took it.
Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Yeah. Well, I think part of it was or what
was the girl's name, the girl that likes Ellie Dina. Yeah,
I think Dina had something to do with it, because
she did say that if he fought, they'd kill her.
And Joel was getting older and he's.
Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
In the sixties. They said, like sixty.
Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
And I mean, these are five young people, well trained people.
Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
So well Appy was the only one who did anything.
Everyone else was like, actually a little unnerved by what
she was doing.
Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
True but they weren't stopping or either.
Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Yeah, and you know they did participate, you know, put
a put a tourniquet on him, you know, get her
drugged up, you know, So, I mean she was still
very much in charge. Yeah, but I did think it
was kind of interesting when they sent her out to
go on watch. It was mostly just to it was
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an attempt to dissuade her from doing this. He's like, yeah,
he's like, I'm going to try and convince her to
go home.
Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Yeah. I think they're over it. You know, they're in
that house, they're freezing, righty, it's cold as how. I
don't they only wanted to do that because you know,
she she needed that, right, so they're on her side,
so they want that for her. But I think ultimately
they were over it.
Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Yeah. Well they saw the size. You know, they're like,
this is an intense city.
Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
I think this the way they were acting, This is
like the first city they've seen in a while.
Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Yeah, you know, like they have electricity, they have things
going on down there, they have guards, they have weapons.
Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
They have you know, it's not just generators, it's not
just tens, it's not just you know, a surround I mean,
this is a city, a fully functional city. And and
I will say when when when the city was attacked,
they actually they did pretty good.
Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
They did. Actually I thought, okay, well, first off, those
barrels with gasoline perfect. I mean honestly, I'm like, okay,
that's something. Now set them things on fire. But there
were so many of those, you know, clickers and all
kinds of them. I just thought they're gonna be overwhelmed.
(01:11:41):
How it's gonna work. So many of them are gonna die.
And they didn't lose some people, yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Yeah, they lost people. Don't get me wrong. I mean
this was not a This was not a clean cleanup.
This was a are we gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Make it barely by the skin of their teeth? Honestly
they made it, but bare.
Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah, but that was probably the most that that's probably
the biggest horde they've seen in maybe ever mm hm uh.
And I would like to point out it was Abby
that started it. Yeah, they were all sleeping in the
snow and she had a slide down a mountain and
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she woke.
Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Him up, she sure did, and they woke up, and honestly,
she the irony of all of it. She was saved
by Joel and then she kills him.
Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yeah. See he even said that, He's like, I saved
your life. Yeah, and she's like, so my life meant nothing?
Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Yeah, no good deed. Let people die, no good deed?
Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I was like, oh my god, that's horrible. She went
and got saved by the guy she's about to murder,
and so it's like, continues.
Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Well, and she could see that he was concerned about
the city, that Dina was concerned about him, and whatever
picture she had of what he was in her head,
there has to be some kind of a disconnect.
Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
And yes he was.
Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
And while he did kill the doctor and walk on,
there was a reason why he wasn't just killing people randomly.
And I don't know that she knows why he killed
all those people.
Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
So in her defense, I guess I can understand Abby's
point of view, because you know, at this point, she
doesn't even care really because you murdered her father, right,
So right, who cares about the reason? They knew? They
all the fireflies knew what the goal was, right, So
she might not have known that a girl was going
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to die per se, but you know that doesn't matter
to her.
Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
I'm sure, right, I mean apparently, you know, I mean,
oh yeah, we can kill a fourteen year old girl.
That's fine as long as my daddy makes it, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Well, you know, people don't have a lot of people anymore, right,
so that could have been the only family she had
left obviously, you know, besides her little friends. So I
kind of understand the reasoning, even though it's not right exactly.
You know, she had a chance to do something different.
But because she did what she did, now Ellie is
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going to be on this her own revenge mission for
aving now and she will kill her. She will kill her.
I feel like she will. Eventually, She's gonna find her, yeah,
and they're going to fight it out.
Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
And I will say this though, so with the whole
you know, the Joe getting beat down and her finding
the house, you know, Ellie finding the house that they
were holding him in, and you know, when she went
through that door, I really kind of shocked that she
did not.
Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Do better. Me too, I'm like, all that training and
you just got got as soon as you open the door, Like,
my gosh, that was a mess.
Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
You know. I really thought that she she do a
better showing for herself. I guess I don't know, uh,
because I mean and and and again, these guys are trained.
I mean they're all militia. Yeah, fair enough. But yeah,
she took down that giant guy.
Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Yeah, well she was caught off guard. I guess which
she was. It seemed like she wouldn't have been. Yeah,
she shouldn't have been. So that is a plot hole,
in my opinion, for someone that's so well trained.
Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Right, right, But then again, you know, we were also
talking last episode that she has gotten fairly cocky. Mm hmm,
so that might have played some part in it.
Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Well, she can be cocky when it comes to you know,
the courtycept that you know, guys and girls, because you
know she's immune, but that doesn't mean that she I
guess it's free of humans attacking her and getting one
up on her. So she's misguided. I think she's probably
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gonna be training harder than she ever has now, and
I think maybe that cockiness has been knocked out of her. Literally.
Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Yeah, and I hope.
Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
So she sits on the horse and they drag Joel
back to the community. Yeah, that's so sad.
Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Although as they were leaving, I'm going, where's the third horse?
Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
I know they should have brought the third horse. Why
didn't they bring that horse?
Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Where's the horse? They could have put Joel on the.
Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Horse, Yeah, they could have. Yeah. That was awful actually,
and I felt bad for Dina because I'm sure she's
gonna have some PTSD from that, because you get injected
with something you don't know if you're gonna live or not.
Even though the girl, you know, promised that you'll just
be out for an hour, who would believe them, right,
and you wake up and your buddy, your your dude's gone.
(01:17:25):
You know. She had a relationship with Joel as well,
you know, mm hm, so, and he's probably gonna be
all messed up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Yeah. Well and this is a community, I mean, and
they're going back to a community that was just has
just gone through the Ringer with you know, with this
horde that came through. And Joel was one of their
city planners. Yeah, he was the one that fixed the things,
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you know, like the the breakers and stuff that other people.
You know that apparently it's a skill that not a
lot of people have, right, So without Joel, they're they're
gonna limp even more than they would have just from
being attacked.
Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Well, you know, so Also, you know, one of the
guys saw the quarters ups in the in the what
do you call it, the two I guess the sewer
connection or whatever, and he went to get Tommy. He's like,
get Tommy, you know, and of course all that stuff
jumped off, so he never got a chance to tell
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him about it.
Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
So we don't even know if that guy lived or died.
Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Yeah, we don't. So we know that, yes, they defeated
all of the all the hoard that came into their walls,
but now they may not know about the quarters ups still, right,
so it's not over for them. This is oh yeah,
and they're returning to a place where people are cleaning bodies,
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I'm sure, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Going through and cleaning up all the.
Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Fung his heads and yes, and you know.
Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
And they're dead and you know all the buildings that
were lost due to the fire, yeah, and having to
rebuild their walls and their stores, you know, because they
pretty much threw everything they had at this m hm.
The only possible good good part to this is because
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they all woke up and they all came uh, all
the ones that were hiding in the snow hopefully or
when spring comes will be it won't.
Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Be as bad, right, they've been accounted for, because it
seemed like they all got up and they just kept
coming and coming. I mean, that was a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Yeah, and and like I said, their reaction, I think
this may be the largest group they have seen in
maybe ever, because that was I mean we saw in
the very first episode we saw quite a few of them,
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but I can't think of any point since then that
we've seen more than maybe two dozen in any one spot.
Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Yeah, we haven't really seen a lot of that this
season yet.
Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
So but even last season, you know, when they were
going through and I think maybe the most was in
that one house, but that that horde that came down
far outnumbered what was in that house.
Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Oh yeah, no doubt it was. Yeah, it was overwhelming.
You know, honestly, that whole community could have died if
they were any less prepared, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Oh yeah, and you know they had in the fact
that they're like doing the you can tell that this
is a city that has been preparing for this emergency.
Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
So let me just ask you this, what did you think,
because I know you'd like to think about the logics
and how all of this stuff can happen so we
are far into the apocalypse now, and they had a
lot of AMMO, a lot a lot of weapons, a
lot of AMMO, a lot of gas. What does that
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seem like something that should be possible for this city,
in this in this mountain that has nothing here? Does
that seem well?
Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
I mean, there's a good chance that they have scavenged
a lot of it. But because they are a city
and they do have some limited manufacturing, they may have
been making their own bullets maybe, And we're assuming that
it's gas, But there's also a good chance that was ethanol.
Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
It could have been I don't know where they get
it from, but somewhere ethanol comes from corn Well, I
didn't see any cornfields, so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Right Well, but I mean you can, you can make biogas.
So I mean it's it's pop or moonshine, you know,
I mean it couldn't because we don't really see what
it is. We're making assumptions.
Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Yeah, that's the thing. They don't really show us a
lot of things. I feel like they've they're already on this,
you know, they really just want us to take what
we're seeing at face value and don't ask any questions
because we're not really seeing any of the mechanics to
how this city worked right now.
Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
But we do know that they are making things, and
they are manufacturing things. They they couldn't do the kind
of building they're doing if they weren't. And and I'm
sure that they're also pillaging from from other communities. But
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like I said, I it might have been gas, but again,
it just as easily could have been you know, biodiesel
of some kind. It could have been uh, or it
could have been moonshine. We know that they have they've
been making alcohol. We know they have a still, and
God knows, moonshine is extremely flammable and and it works
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on principle the same as gasoline. It just burns hotter
m hm. So I mean, technically moonshine would be better
to burn these with than gasoline would have been, just
because it burns hotter faster.
Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
It just seemed like they had a lot to me,
like a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
But you know, and we don't know how long it's
We don't know how long they've been storing this stuff up. Yeah,
we don't is you know, it's sealed in a barrel
of Technically it could stayed that way for years, so
they could have been stockpiling this stuff for because it's
been a while. It had been several years before before
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Joel and Ellie showed up that they their community had
been attacked. HM, so you know they're probably going on
like at least eight years since a major attack, or
at least five years.
Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
So that would give I mean, that would give them
enough time to build a you know, build up stores.
And because we know that other communities in their area
have been getting hit and they've been bringing in survivors,
you know, they're not as complacent as we thought they were.
Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Yeah, I mean they they definitely appeared to have a
little bit of complacency, but apparently not. They've had drills.
They I knew what to do, and that was I
was impressed by that. They were very orderly about it
and everyone knew what to do and no one was
screaming running down except for those two jokes. Those two
punks they had the the guns with the fire I
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guess the flames, yeah, the flamethrowers. Two of them ran off.
Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
I saw that.
Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
I'm like, here's some punks right here. What is this?
You just go run away. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Okay, so I had this weird thought in the middle
of this episode when they were on the Walkies. I'm like,
oh my god, you mean they can't reach hundreds of
miles on a walkee.
Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
They need those walkies from the Walking to Universe and
then they'd be all good.
Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
I'm saying, but I mean really, I did actually like
the fact that they were having troubles communicating that the
storm was interfering with their reception, that there were problems,
you know, that these walkies weren't fail proof. I like
that because it did it. It was a little more realism, yeah,
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than we were having on say, Fear of the Walking Dead,
where apparently walkies worked for hundreds of miles.
Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Right who knew? Yeah, who knew?
Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
And they and they did have an antenna, and they
were trying to boost the signal, you know, probably putting
something on the towers to boost the signal. I don't
know that much about you know, shortwave broadcasting, but I
know that there are ways that you can boost it, right,
but it also takes more power, So but yeah, I did.
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It was just one of those little moments I'm like, hey, look,
the Walkies are working like they actually should.
Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
I agree, I thought that was good. I'm like, look
at them being all, you know, more accurate with the communication,
and actually that really lent itself well to the plot actually,
because they couldn't figure out what the hell was going
on with people, So you know, there was there was.
Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
A lot of uncertainty. There was a lot of confusion,
and and there would be in a in a real
life story that this would be daunting and confusing and scary,
and and the storm was not helping with their visibility,
you know, and and being able to see what was
coming at them because you know, the the skyline with
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the with the snow and the and the you know,
the drifts and everything else. Uh yeah, I mean it
was probably good that they came, that they came in
the winter because when they set all that stuff on fire,
that if they had done that and say like a
dryer season, the city probably would have been lost.
Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
I mean, honestly, I'm surprised that they let them go
out and that kind of storm, Like that was a
serious storm. It wasn't some flurries. Why go out, like
why send people out.
Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
To because I don't think because when they first went out,
I mean, it was cold, but it wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Well, they recalled them quicker than what they did. They
were kind of lollygagging around and waited till things seemed
to like like alarms started going off in their heads
before they decided to try to recall them.
Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
You know. Yeah, but it's not like they have the
National Weather Service.
Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
I know, I get what you're saying. But they've been
out there a while, they know how the weather is. Well, yeah,
but I mean it's their first winter, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
But a lot of times, you know, they're up in
the mountains and there's a lot of times where it'll
hit the peaks, but it doesn't come down to the valleys.
And you can see that it had hit the peaks first.
So when they went out, none of them were actually
going up into the peaks. They were staying more in
(01:29:01):
the valley area.
Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
So I don't know, Joel, and do you know we
went up there.
Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Yeah, but they went up there after they picked you know,
the girl up.
Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Yeah, but I think they were. They might have been
up at the top, but they were close enough that
she could see them, just see them, So they weren't
exactly at ground level. They were a little bit right.
Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
But I mean, but but from her vantage point, they
were they were small, yeah, you know, so they weren't
close close, they were you know, some distance away. Yeah.
I think it was just her single mindedness that she thought,
oh I can find I can go after these people
on horses, you know, watch me go.
Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
And she did and create a big mass, I really did.
Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
And like I said, I guess in some way, I
guess it's good that it happened that she did wake
them up now as opposed to all of them waking
up in the spring, because I don't think it would
have been the The snow in some ways helped him because,
like I said, things were wet and harder to burn
(01:30:16):
because you know, they weren't dry. Everything was was wet
as only snow can do. So, especially since you know
they were using flamethrowers.
Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
That's actually pretty smart actually, Yea, So that one that
kind of came for Tommy because he distracted it away
from his wife. That thing was so monstrous looking. I'm like,
oh my god, I almost thought he was gonna bite it.
I almost thought, is this the end for Tommy? But
it just died just in time.
Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Right, you know, paces just paces from him, and he
kind of reminded me of a something out of a
more like a Marvel comic, didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
He kind of Yeah, I could see that, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
He was. He wasn't he wasn't the leader, but you know,
he he was definitely.
Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
You know, he broke through the wall first. Yeah, he
broke through the wall. And then I don't know, he
was just coming. It was like this wall of.
Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Monster just he was a cossus.
Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Yeah. That must have been a really really old turn
to be like that, right, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
And I mean and we do know that they differentiate
themselves into different types of you know, clickers, but yeah,
he he was. Uh. They did say that he was
one of the largest, one largest ones that they had
made that was still mobile.
Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Yeah. Actually I had to look up. I wanted to
look up the type of infected that they had, and
I think that one was called a rat king. No,
that was No. The rat king is one where there's
more than one feused together. So he was was he bloater?
Was he a bloater?
Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Rare bloaters are from I thought they were more like
submerged or it could be wrong, but I had something
to do with water.
Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Okay, So let's see bloaters, the rarest and most powerful stage.
Bloaters are incredibly strong and armored with fungal plates. They
can launch Mico Mico toxin sacks and are incredibly dangerous.
Oh my gosh, maybe maybe, I don't know. So they
have runners, stalkers. Those stalkers were the ones that I
(01:32:59):
think we saw last episode. Clickers, Bloaters, Shamblers, and then
rat King. Those are all the different variations infected in
the game. So I'm sure we'll see all of them
on screen. All right.
Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
I don't know why, but I was taking bloaters had something.
Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
To do with water because it sounds like it, because bloating,
you know.
Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Yeah, I mean that makes sense. Yeah, I don't know,
but yeah, I was. I thought this was a really
good episode. I was shocked. I was not expecting Joel
to die.
Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Apparently the way he died though, was the way he
died more. I mean, the manner in which she was
killed was right out of the video game.
Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
Yeah, that was so darring to me. I'm sitting there like,
oh my god. And then she goes and looks at
the golf clubs. I'm like, oh no, oh my god.
I just knew he was just gonna get beat to dad,
and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Well, and even before Ellie showed up, you know, the
one guy that was that seemed to be closest to
her was like, you know, just end it, Yeah, just
end it. Let's just end this. And now she and
in the back of my head, all I could think
of is Okay, yeah, Joe killed your dad. Fair enough,
(01:34:25):
but at least he died painlessly. It was one shot
to the head. I don't think he felt his body
hit the floor.
Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
And while that's terrible that he died, I mean, there
are way worse ways to die in this universe.
Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
The kind of person you have to be to beat
someone like that. That says a lot about Abby in itself,
because you're right, why not just shoot him in the
head and be done with it? Why do all of that?
Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Because she it she in the in the first episode
of the season, she said, it's not enough for him
to die. He has to suffer. Yeah, and by God
he did she did, mm hmm. And And honestly, I
don't think that Abby would have forged would I don't
think Ellie would have forgiven her. But if she had
(01:35:24):
not beaten him to death, I'm not sure would be
quite so rage filled, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Well, you know, now, Ellie, though she has the rage,
she's like, I'm gonna kill you, kinda kill you if
she means it. She means it.
Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Oh, she absolutely, I mean yeah. And there are similarities
between Ellie and Abby, there really are, you know, that
single minded determination, the you know, but.
Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Like Abby doesn't know what she created, you know, she
thinks I got my revenge. This is done. This some
little girl just talking mass lets go. She doesn't realized
she probably should have killed her then, because that woman
is not gonna stop coming for you right well.
Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
And you know, honestly, she should have figured that out
because the whole reason that she did this is because
Joel killed her father, right all right, And she should
have been able to see that Joel and whoever this
girl was had some kind of relationship, because she was like, Joel,
get up, you know, and you could hear it in
(01:36:33):
her voice. You could hear that she loved this man.
So the fact that Abby completely discarded this other girl
and her feelings and what he may have meant to
her in her need for revenge, says a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Yeah, she's very she was very just single minded, right,
She couldn't think and everyone could think around her either.
They just wanted to get out of there because, honestly,
I'm sure they were all so grossed out and just
jarred by looking at Joel's face in his body. They
(01:37:12):
just wanted to get the hell out of there.
Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Yeah, I'm sure they were thinking, this is not really
what we signed up for. No, I mean revenge. I
think revenge. They understood torture, they did.
Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Not, No, And she was just gonna keep going too.
That is so oh my god. Abby is a horrible
kind of person. Even though I understand her need for vengeance,
I feel like the method that she delivered that says
she's not a good person.
Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Well, she had the opportunity is when she grabbed that gun,
she could have just killed him and been done with it.
And here's the thing. If she had done that, they
would have been out of there way before Ellie ever
showed up.
Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Oh yeah, she wouldn't have had a clue who did it.
They would have been gone, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
And yeah, and while Dina would have woken up, I mean,
she could have described it, but she wouldn't have known
who they were, where they came from anything, m hm.
And with the storm, you know, all their tracks would
have been buried, so yeah, there wouldn't have been any
idea of who this person was. They would have been
(01:38:27):
technically safe from Ellie.
Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
But no, no, she wanted to torture him to death,
and that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
I don't know. I feel like she's gonna get what
she deserves, but I don't know. I hope that whenever
that confrontation comes about, that it's satisfying for us as
the audience, because we got these two little girls literally
I'm saying little because they're short, skinny girls.
Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
I don't know how that's gonna look on camera or
what that's going to be like, but I hope it
at least is satisfying because oh man.
Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Yeah, because I mean, I'm sure part of I mean, Ellie,
the brutal way in which Joel died is not something
that Ellie will ever be able to let go.
Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
I mean, you'll have nightmares about that shit, like he
was bludgeoned to death and then the last you know,
when she stuck the thing in his neck or whatever,
I'm like, oh my god, who She's gonna probably see
that every time she closed her eyes for a very
long time.
Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Oh yeah, I'm sure of it. And it's it's this
is not something that she's going to be able to
let go, because again, it wasn't just that Joel was killed.
He was tortured, he was brutalized. You know, this is
this is a step beyond a revenge kill.
Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Like I said, I just watching it as the viewer,
I was like, oh, my gosh, I was gasping. I
was saying, no, I was so upset for him, you know, Oh, yeah,
my gosh, I cannot believe this is happening. Yeah, it
felt like I was shocked. I felt like I was
done dirty by this show.
Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Well, and having was through the whole thing, she was
freaking gleeful, Yeah, I mean jovial, even she was.
Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Enjoying it, which says again about her actual personality, what
kind of person she is at the core of it.
Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
You know, do I have any doubt that Ellie would
kill somebody if she had to?
Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Absolutely, But I don't think she has an inner to
torture somebody, well.
Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
At least not at this point in time. Anyway, maybe
if she gets enough fuel behind the anchor maybe, but
I don't know. She doesn't seem like that kind of person.
Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
No. I mean, we could be completely wrong on this,
but I think in the final confrontation, if if it
comes down to just fists between the two of them, oh,
Abby'll go toe to toe. Or I mean Ellie'll go
to to toe with Abby.
Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
Oh yeah, she fights grown men.
Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Without a doubt. Yeah, but Abby would not be be
tied up on the ground unable to defend herself, right,
I think that would be a line too far for Ellie.
Now I could be wrong, but I do believe it
would be.
Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Which is funny because Happy as the one that gave
this speech about you know, moral codes and having a
code about things, and there she is going against that code, right.
Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Ye know, shooting you know, people unable to defend themselves,
so on and so forth. And I guess in a way, yeah,
the doctor was you know, couldn't defend him, was defenseless
to a degree. But he wasn't exactly a good guy either.
Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
No, he was willing to kill a child.
Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
So and then okay, so I was watching these like
this one podcast on TikTok and they played the game.
So they were familiar with the game, and I thought
that you would get a really interesting laugh out of this.
So apparently that doctor in the game, that doctor is
no one special. You know how we were talking about
(01:42:57):
last week, how we were saying, how hard would it
be to find more of these kind of doctors and scientists,
you know, more people like this to do this kind
of work. Right, this deal was a general fucking doctor.
He wasn't even a surgeon. No, he wasn't a brain
surgeon or anything. He was just a regular ass doctor. Oh,
(01:43:18):
in the game. So he was he knew he was
going to kill that girl. He knew he was gonna
kill Ellie because he didn't have the skill set to
even do what needs to be done and try in
any attempt not to kill her. You know what I'm saying.
He didn't know how to do.
Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
It, Yeah, because brain surgery is a specialty.
Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
And then he probably didn't know what to do with
the cornerceps when he got.
Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Him out either, probably not, Because I mean, a general
practitioner is a good doctor, don't get me wrong. GPS
are great if you have a general problem. If you
you know, have a broken leg or you've got a cold,
or an earache. You know, you go to your GP.
Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
No, yeah, I don't want to don't even any other
specialized medication or specialized surgeries.
Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Right, you don't go to your GP for heart surgery.
Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
No, or replacement or anything else like.
Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
You know, you don't even go to your GP to
get you know, to get your appendix taken out.
Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
You go to a surgeon. Right, And and now that's
not to say, I mean, doctors do go through a rotation, right,
you know, as they become doctors, and they will do
like an eer rotation and a surgical rotation. And so
it's not like they're not they're completely unfamiliar. But again,
brain surgery is a specialty. Surgery is a specialty.
Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
And honestly, if you do that wrote those rotations when
you're in residence, that guy looked older, right, Plus we
were in the apocalypse, so I'm sure it's probably been
a decade since he actually performed anything like that, you know, anything,
And it definitely wasn't brain surgery.
Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Right, And to be able to turn to make a
cure would require a skill set to know how to right,
you know, I mean, and I suppose maybe he had
(01:45:20):
time to read books and stuff on virology and vaccines,
you know, but.
Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
I don't know. I'm not confident that he had the knowledge.
Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
No, I don't if he was a general practitioner. The
odds of him actually being able to a perform the
surgery in such a way that whatever he got out
of there was useful exactly, and then to be able
to use that without it.
Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Dying, Like, how do you synthesize that? Like what do
you do? Like they don't even know. He probably don't
even know. Okay, So like best case scenario, he read
a book and he might have figured out something, But
guess how so few things work on the first try.
Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
Yeah, Well, and then how do you keep it a lot?
Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Because we know that it's living in her brain. It's
not dead. It's a living thing in her brain, right,
which means it's dependent on her being a lot of
the I mean, it's symbiotic at that point. If she dies,
it probably would die.
Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
It seems like that would be the case. But which
makes this whole thing even more stupid to me, Like
this whole domino effect was not Like the first domino
of her going into that surgery was not necessary, That
did not need to happen. They did not have the
knowledge to do.
Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
That, right. And the other thing is they didn't even
try any other methodology first because it may not have
had to have been her brain matter or the thing
inside of her brain.
Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Like why not try to use her blood exactly, Like
that's the most basic thing. Drop some files of blood
and see what you can do.
Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
Or even her tissue, yeah, because technically it would be
within her her entire system. I mean, they could have
tried to culture her her skin cells or even taking
a soft tissue core sample, and which is while invasive,
(01:47:31):
is not deadly, right, I mean christ for they could
have even done like a bone marrow extraction and use that,
you know, see if they could do something before they
decided to dig into her brain. Yeah, so there were options,
(01:47:51):
you know.
Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
Right. So with all of that said, it's like again
this show. Yeah, I get it, they're following the lead
of the game, right, But it's like when you start
to dig into things, it's like, why are we even
doing this? Like we got here and there's no reason
to be here. When you start going back to the
beginning and just thinking about the most basic thing.
Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
I don't do you remember from the first season, and
I don't I don't recall this. So when she went
in there, for when she was taken to the fireplace,
did they even like do a brain scan on her
or anything.
Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
No, So I feel like what happened was Okay, they
showed up there and obviously Joel was knocked out, remember right,
So we don't even know what happened to her when
she got in when they got her there, so we
just know, next thing we know, he's waking up and
they're like, oh, she's in surgery. That's it. So I
(01:48:50):
don't even know if they did anything before.
Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Even if they had the ability to do anything, I mean,
they should have. I mean, at the very least, they
should have taken an X ray or so something of
her head, something something. I'm not sure an ice tray
would work. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
I mean, I'm sure they don't have one of those
other machines. Yeah, MRI Machine Networks.
Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Probably not. But yeah, just to so that at that
point they're they're even making assumptions that where it even is.
Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
Right, it might not. What if it's like in her
spine or something right, and it might not be in
her brain. Why would they think I don't know, see it.
Stop thinking logically about things, Tamra. That's what I'm trying
to tell myself, Like just I'm trying not to do
that too much. But it's like kind of silly though.
Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
You know, I can see, yeah, but I can actually
see desperate people desperately wanting a cure and knowing that
they're losing the fight. They are losing the fight they are, Yeah,
unlike the Walking Dead, where they're at least holding the line.
(01:50:04):
This is a society that is not or this is
a reality that humans are not doing well. They may
have maybe one more generation maybe with the with the
number of deaths and and the fact that uh, you know,
(01:50:24):
Abby and her group, the fact that they were shocked,
you know, of how well Jackson was doing, which tells
me that even like this, the city that originally Joel
came from, you know that we started off this, you know,
the show in, probably doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
You know. Weren't they like in Boston or something, or
they were on the East coast.
Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Yeah, something tells me that almost all the major citadels
have fallen and and as Joel and and Ellie traveled
the country, even the ones you know, everyone that they
went through, some thing bad had happened to them. They
had not, you know, they'd either fallen or they were
on the brink of So, yeah, this is the I
(01:51:10):
can see that by the time that Joel and Allie
made it to the fireflies there, they were so desperate
for a cure that they were willing to do anything,
whether they understood it or not. I think they may
have convinced themselves that once she was dead, they could
just dissect her body and do whatever they needed to do. Yeah,
(01:51:33):
you know, they could dice her up and pickle her
up and you know, dissector and they could just use
whatever they could find that might be useful. And I
think that was probably their plan.
Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
You know, you might be right there, but I still
think there's a huge like falling in their plan. Yeah.
It's like, you only have one person that you know
of that's immune, just one, right, you get one try right,
and we know just from you know, trials of medicine,
(01:52:07):
you never get shipped right on the first try. It
doesn't happen. So I okay, I mean I get the desperation,
but my goodness, let's go on a hunt for some
actual scientists. There's got to be somewhere around here, somewhere, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
I mean if they were really committed to this then
and they have been preparing for this, then they should
have found a a horologist, you know, or you know,
someone who is I mean not even necessarily a human doctor,
(01:52:44):
but someone that is experienced in fun. Guy would probably
have been a good a person to be there sitting
beside the doctor, you.
Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
Know what I mean? Something, just make it make sense,
that's all. Just a little something more and it Well,
how much would it have cost them to get an
extra random person to say a couple of lines about
being smart about mushrooms. I don't know, right, fungus whatever,
I don't know. I just throw a couple things in
there to make it make sense. Because all of this technically,
(01:53:16):
and yes, it's all in the script, right, it's all
in the game. But this could have been avoided.
Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Yeah, but then there would be conflict.
Speaker 1 (01:53:26):
I know, but the conflict is stupid.
Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
You know. I'm just saying that if we were at
this community and it was idyllic and nothing bad ever happened,
you know, it would get very boring.
Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
Great, Oh, it definitely would. So now we have a
main character that. You know. Pedro Pascal was also in
another show where they killed one of the main characters
pretty quickly and it did pretty well. So you know,
people have done this and it's been fine. And of course,
(01:53:58):
because it's happened already in the game, they already have
a game plan for it, right right, So I think
the show is still gonna be good. But I just
you know, I'm a little sad that they killed him
so quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
I mean, I really liked him as a character. Joe
was an awesome character.
Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Yeah, we did. I wanted more of therapy scenes and
I don't know, more something like we got a little
bit into, you know, the mundaneness of the life that
they were living. But it was so fast and then
it's over.
Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
Yeah, but again, you know, like it is a it
is a short season, so you know, got to get
in there and get this stuff done.
Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
Did it cracking, And that's what they did. They said, bam,
bam bam. We had a battle, you know, a huge
battle at Jackson. We even had a little apology from
the guy who was made them stay sandwiches because he
was an asshole at the party.
Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
And her reaction was so great. Yeah, that's fine, yeah, whatever.
She won't even touch the sandwiches, man.
Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
I wouldn't either. I'm like, what's in the sandwich? You
tried to off me? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
I thought was hope you didn't spit in it?
Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
Yeah, exactly, I wouldn't ate the sandwich either, But you
know so, and even honestly, we even got a little
bit inside of Abby's psyche a little bit. You know,
she's dreaming about herself, you know, So, I mean we
got a little bit of things, and then the action
(01:55:38):
put pushed the plot forward, so we're ready to rock
and roll. I wonder what's next. It's like I almost
can't even I don't almost don't even want to try
to guess because I'm sure I'll be wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Yeah, and I'm with you on that, because I really
thought that Abby and her group would would go down
to the settlement m H and tried to pass themselves
off as a survivor of some small other settlement or something.
Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
And I think that's probably what their plan was, until
you know, Abby happened to come across Joel.
Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
Yeah, sheer dumb luck.
Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
That was sheer dumb luck. And Joel's demise, Poor Joel,
you know, like, I don't know. Two wrongs don't make
it right, but my gosh, ugh, Okay, so I'm curious
to see what's next. I'm excited to see what's next.
It's only like, what five more episodes. It's such a
(01:56:39):
short season, right, so if they've already planned too how
many seasons there's going to be, I think there's only
going to be like four. I think that's what they said.
Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
Yeah, my guess is we will probably the rest of
this season is going to be the build up for
Ellie to go out and find Abby.
Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
I think the confrontation between the two of them will
be next season that I will predict they might.
Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
Come to do with the rest of the season, though.
Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
I think it's going to be next week, And again
this is me making a prediction that I said I
wasn't going to do. My guess is next week is
going to be clean up and emotional trauma from Joel's
death and the city, you know, city wide clean up.
Then it's going to be Allie trying to figure out
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who these people were and the making a plan to
go after and get them. I don't know after that,
I'm not sure. I two of them will meet up
before the end of the season again, but there won't.
My guess is there's not going to be a resolution
between the two of them, and it's probably going to
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be a cliffhanger.
Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
You know it all So wouldn't surprise me entirely if
they kind of, yeah, did the kind of maybe did
the funeral thing or whatever, and then time jumped us
ahead a little bit, yeah, like six months or something,
you know, just so not to waste time on reconstruction
and all that other stuff. But maybe maybe not. I
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don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
Yeah, we'll have to see how it shakes out. Anything else,
any other hot items you want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
No, I think, you know, I think I think we
got it.
Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
Yeah, it was a good episode. I was thrilled, honestly
with how good it was. And that's all I can ask.
Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
For, you know. I was just you know, when she
stuck that that golf club in his neck, I'm just like, no, no, yeah,
And then if my brain is going, well, how can
it come back from this, Well.
Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
He's not he's he's dead.
Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
But I just you know, it took me. It took
me a couple of minutes to process that Joel is dead,
actually dead.
Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
Yeah, and already. Like, honestly, people, if you have, if
you have not been avoiding spoilers, you were spoiled immediately
because people were online complaining and saying how shocked they
were and you know, bawling and all this other ridiculous
reactions to the death. And apparently they even posted I
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guess was it that night or the next morning they
posted a photo of Pedro Pascal and Caitlin something whatever
that actress's name is all, you know, being all happy
in the camera after filming that episode. So people were like, chill,
it's just pretend.
Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
Right, they're still alive in life. They are really still
He's still alive.
Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
Yeah, and they like each other in real life. It's fine.
So that crazy, you know how people get.
Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
Oh yeah, just because you you may not like their character,
don't take it out on the actor personally.
Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
Yes, because we know plenty of shows where the actors
have been harassed in other things because the viewers didn't
like what was going on.
Speaker 2 (02:00:15):
Yeah, which isn't fair. I mean, no, every every good
story needs a good bad guy. They just I mean,
if you had a lame bad guy, it's kind of
a lame show.
Speaker 1 (02:00:31):
I agree. The villain has to be villaining, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
Mean, and the character the people that can pull off
a good villain. I mean you got to give them
props because they're you know, holding it, you know, holding up.
They're part of the show. So when when fans take
it personally, they really shouldn't, you know, they should be
I mean they can hate that character, right, but they
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never should hate that actor because character is acting exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:01:04):
Although that Caitlin Dever I think is her name, that
plays Abby, she's good at being not a good person
on on camera because did you watch that Apple Cider Vinegar?
Oh my gosh, she plays this woman who faked acted
like she had cancer to make money as a social
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media person. Oh yes, based off of a true story.
But she's good at being like ick, you know, giving
people the ick.
Speaker 2 (02:01:32):
Yeah. But I mean there's a lot of actors out there.
I mean, they spend their entire career playing nothing but
bad guys. Yeah, you know, and then you have the
one act You have certain actors that always play the
good guy, and if they ever play a bad guy
or people.
Speaker 1 (02:01:47):
Are like no, you know, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (02:01:52):
And I do know that certain characters. You know, there
are certain people that embody their character to such an
extent that it's hard to imagine. It's it's kind of
hard to separate them. But you know, Captain America and
uh Chris Evans are not the same person.
Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
No, they are not, you know, and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
Saying Evans isn't a nice person. From all accounts, he's
a nice person, but he's not Captain America.
Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
Right, Like, come on, people, let's let's keep uh, reality
and fiction separate, right, don't understand what fiction is? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
You know, so you know, when someone can play a
really good bad person that can make you just see
the go, oh, what bad things to happen? I mean
to the character, not the person.
Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
I know, Like I always think of that poor kid.
I guess he's not a kid anymore. But from Game
of Thrones, he like ran off and stopped acting. Oh yeah, Joffrey, Yeah,
he did so good at that that people just basically
hara asked him on the street.
Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
Oh yeah, well, I mean, what's his name? From The
Walking Dead? You know who played a uh was it.
Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
Branda?
Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:03:19):
Oh? Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
Speaker 2 (02:03:20):
Jeffrey Dean Morgan. You know, I mean Meagan. He I mean,
we all love to hate Meagan.
Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
Yeah, but I think in his defense, though, he's been
in a lot of things before The Walking Dead, so
I don't think people just see him as a straight villain.
I think they kind of see him as himself as Nagan,
which is like a whole nother problematic thing. Uh. But yeah,
he's been like heart throbs on stuff like Grey's Anatomy
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and you know, the Good Wife. So he's been like
these different kind of roles. I don't know, so he
I'm fortunately lucky for him. I guess I should say.
Speaker 2 (02:04:02):
Yeah, yeah, but I mean, but he does a really
good job making Meigan a horrible person. Yeah, a piece
of work man, And and you and I have have
gone on and on about his whole story and everything else,
but I mean you have to agree he plays the
character well.
Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
Yeah, he does. He does. He plays it very well,
to the point where I mean, honestly, I don't know
if I told you, but I was watching the latest
season of Invincible when it was airing, and he played
one of the Vultumites that was very powerful, and he
came and he was just like beating the crap out
of invincible, and I was like, he is acting like Meigan.
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This is Nigan two point zero in cartoon Forum. I'm
telling you the voice, the into the inflections of his voice,
the tone, everything, I'm like, oh my god, this is
nig buc guy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
So, but yeah, I think I think the show is
off to a rolling good start, so I'm excited about
next week's episode. I was like, come on, just give
me the next one.
Speaker 1 (02:05:16):
I know. I would love for them to drop a
couple of these episodes back to back. I was so
be benching it.
Speaker 2 (02:05:22):
Oh god, yes, yeah, I love it. I love a
good bench.
Speaker 1 (02:05:26):
Yeah, me too. I haven't had one of those in
a minute.
Speaker 2 (02:05:29):
But kay, oh, I binged the pit the other night.
Speaker 1 (02:05:34):
So do you really like that? You must since you
bened it.
Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
Yeah I did. I watched it in two days.
Speaker 1 (02:05:42):
So I okay, I must be the odd ball because
I really want to like it. People keep saying how
great it is, but I think the first episode I
was kind of getting the ick and I'm like, okay,
but I'll keep watching, and then I find myself playing
a game on my tablet or doing whatever. I'm like,
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why is this so boring? Why is it so slow.
I just it has not caught me like everyone else.
I didn't catch the pit bug. It did not hit
for me like everyone else. Maybe the timing is off.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
I enjoyed it. See I thought there's only eight episodes.
I'm like, yeah, I can Yeah, there was many more
than that. And I was really mad because I'm like,
I'm finishing this.
Speaker 1 (02:06:30):
Yeah. I watched like four episodes before I said, eh,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:06:34):
Yeah, I'm like all right, it was like eleven o'clock.
I'm like, I got two more episodes ago. I am
finishing this.
Speaker 1 (02:06:39):
I did. Oh wow, good for me.
Speaker 2 (02:06:42):
I was committed anyway. So I think we're done. What
do you think?
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