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The Last of Us S2 E3 | The Path

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey everyone, welcome back to the podcast. Today we are
breaking down the last of US Season two, episode three,
The Path. I'm your host, Tamara, and I'm glad you
hit that play button on today's episode. Please follow us
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(00:26):
won't want to miss a single episode as we journey
through this season. Joining me is my show co host, Lisa.
Welcome back, Lisa, Hey, Tamar, Hey everyone.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
My name is Lisa. I'm an author. I'm also the
publisher of Indies United Publishing House, and I love all
things pop culture.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
All right, so if you are new to the podcast,
we are laid back in our review style, right.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Lisa, Absolutely, Tamora. This is a conversation, not a dissertation, right.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
No scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around a lot,
and of course a huge boiler alert for everything through
yesterday's episode. The only sports you don't really have to
worry about here are from the game because we didn't
play it.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Now, although on occasion my boyfriend will pop up and
go you know, but that's about the extent of my
spoilers from the game.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, every once in a while i'll catch something like
on the internet, but I try not to bring it up.
But you know, we'll see if I can be successful. Anyway,
if you're cool with that, this is the place for you,
and we're gonna jump right to it. So this was
the third episode, high level. What'd you think.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I liked it, And they didn't do a time jump
like we had talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yep, they did so not as far.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Ahead as we thought. It was only three months because
I think we thought it would be about six.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, but I was glad for her because I didn't
want to sit in that for too long.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Right, I mean at the very beginning of the episode,
we do see her wake up right after I think
after she's brought back, because you see, you know, and
you can see the towns in disarray, and you know
they're cleaning the body, which was really just heartbreaking if
you think about it. Yeah, and then it pulls back

(02:05):
and you see all the rest of the bodies. So
I mean, so that first like probably five ten minutes
were in the now so to speak.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, we were feeling the grief in Jackson for sure.
In that scene where you know, Ellie wakes up and
you know, he asked her to you kind of know
what's going on, and she starts screaming, Oh yeah, God,
that's horrible. I was like, oh no, And.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Then you know, they knock her out, and then the
next time she wakes up, we're we're in the future.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, three months have passed and she's been mending. I guess,
you know, she must have had something a rib broken
or a lung collapsed or something. Because they had that
tube sticking out of her side.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'm gonna go with she probably had a couple of
broken ribs, a collapse lung. Yeah, A tube like that
would probably indicate that one of her lungs, if not
at least whatever lungs, had started filling with fluid.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
They were.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
But you know that also says that, you know, well,
they may not be high high tech on medicine. You know,
it's more than band aids.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, I mean, it looked like a like a hospital.
They had a hospital, And thank goodness when I saw
those people in the hospital, I was not expecting to
see that, but it was good to know they had
that technology there.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, And you know, and and I did, like I
was hoping they wouldn't completely pass over the immediate aftermath
of what had happened. And I thought they did a
really good job of in those I mean, in just
those brief moments, really conveying how bad the town had

(03:47):
been hurt.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah. I agree. We saw them rebuilding, We saw the
death of it all, you know, up close personal.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, and we saw the hospital and all the patients,
and you know when they were meaning Joel's body, you know,
which was just again it was that was a hard
scene in a way, you know what I mean, watching
his brother take his hand and you know, so anyway,
but you know, and as it pulls back, you see

(04:16):
all the other bodies that are also wrapped, and you
know that they have done this for all of them.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
That's wild. I just yeah, that was impactful for sure.
I felt I felt it, and they did a good
job with it. And then they were time jumped us
right out of that, right, we had to get the
business right so.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well, and then so we see Ellie awake, and we
see the town rebuilding and lots of construction going on. Uh,
you know, and people are still you can see everyone's
there's there's still hurt there, but people are moving forward.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, you have to, right, it's like not a choice.
They need to protect themselves again, right, build everything back up,
secure the place, right, no raiders and other things. They
can't sit in it for too long exactly. Yeah. And
then also, you know, when Ellie is released, we see
she has to go under a little psychological evaluation with

(05:14):
our therapist. Gail.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, Gail is I was supposed to be seeing another
therapist so that I could unburden myself from everyone else's burdens.
So what do you do? Foods and drugs?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
You know, yes, whatever works, you know, you know, you.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Know, which is another way of saying she's not coping. Well, yeah, so,
and you know, honestly they should they should try and
find her someone, not necessarily a therapist, but you know,
just someone who is a decent listener that she can
kind of unload on a little bit. They can't just
have one therapist if they've they've got to train more.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
You would think, right, you think, But maybe she's the best.
I don't know, and she is not healed.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
That's gonna say shows her ass. Yes, I mean, let's
be truthful here. She was. Yeah, you can tell it's
it is eating it, and she's got her own trauma
to deal with. You know, her husband's dead, you know,
So yeah, between her own trauma and listening to and
you know that everyone in town has been coming to
her with their trauma. And yeah, she Yeah, she's like

(06:30):
like half a step from a postal worker at.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I mean exactly. I mean, actually she's doing a good
job keeping it together. Drink what you need to drink,
Smoke what you need to smoke. Is fine because people
are just trauma dumping on her all the time.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
So except for Ellie, Ellie's fine. Ellie's fine.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Oh yeah, she claims to be fine, but we all
know she is not fine.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I did you know, I did kind of find that
interesting when Joel's was asking her if he thought that
Joel had turned Ellie into what she is, and and
the therapist was like, no, I think I think they

(07:15):
they they've been in locksteps since they first met. And honestly,
I I think I agree with that because Ellie was,
I mean, she was rough around the edge of it.
She's actually mellowed since she's been with Joel. If you
think about way back from when we first met her, Yeah,

(07:36):
she's actually mellowed some.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, she has. She was very you know, ratty and
loud and rambunctious when she was younger, angry and angry,
and you know, she kind of is now. But it
shows a little differently, It wears a little differently on
a young adult.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah. And I'm not saying that she she has completely
gotten rid of all those bad things. I'm just saying
that you could even see from the time when when
she started her journey with Joel, you know, in episode one,
and when she ended season one, how much she had changed.

(08:15):
And I do think that her and Joel did fall
into as he asked, lockstuff with each other and so
and there there was you know, nature nurture. I'm sure
it was a bit of both.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Oh absolutely, I think so. So you know, when Ellie
gets out of the hospital, she goes back to their home,
that empty home, and she kind of just finds his coat,
you know, she finds the broken wash, the revolver, and
she just you know, cries into the jacket.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Which you know, perfectly real. I mean, honestly, that was
the perfectly human thing to do, right there.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, And I think it was also touching, like even
though she just got finished telling Gal she's fine, I'm fine.
She goes home and just cries.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Right, because I don't think she really has Yeah, I
know she screamed, but I don't know if she's actually greed.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
No, and she got interrupted in her grieving. I feel
like I would have liked to see that play out
a little more. But you know, this show moves quickly.
The pace is fast onto the next, right exactly, it'll
come up again. Though she's not done grieving, obviously, it's
we're not done with it.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean we saw a little bit of that towards
the middle. The middle I guess of the episode when
they went to the graveyard.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah. Ultimately, she decides what's gonna happen after her friend
comes and tells her. Right. So Dina comes and she
gives her some cookie. She's like, girl, I got some
cookies for you because you're gonna be mad.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Cookies make everything better.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Uh huh. And she tells her all the dirt she
has on those people that were with.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Abby, which isn't a lot, but it is enough.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, it's enough to know where to oh right, and
a couple of names to listen for. Right before they
even had that little hearing, I knew she would be gone.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
She was gonna go either way. She want. I know,
she she wanted to go, and she wanted to have
help because the more people that went with, the better
the odds of success.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah. But you know what, I think if I can
just like project ahead, I bet Tommy and maybe a
couple others will come after her anyway once they see
she's gone. You know, I can't believe they would just
let those two young adults out there without you know
these Okay, let's keep it real. These women are small women. Yeah,

(10:42):
they're like five two. Right.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well, Ellie is not in her best form. I mean
she is, she has recovered, she is still convalescent, honestly. Yeah.
When she was you know, working on the h on
the back mm hmm, and he was telling her to
use the other side. She think that that side hurts.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, you know, he's like, I can tell keep hitting
with that side, right.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah. So again, I mean she is better, she is healing,
but she is still convalescent. She's not and and at
her best, she couldn't take on these people.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, that's why, especially you know, once she sees who
they're up against, because you know, again you're going into
something you don't know how many people they have. You
don't know how supplied they are, how organized they are.
She knows nothing. They're walking in blind. They're gonna need help.
And I just can't imagine that. You know, Tommy is
basically her family as well, right, like pseudo family. I

(11:45):
cannot believe that he would not come after her or
send someone after her if he doesn't himself.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
To quote the therapist, his inherited problem.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
M hm. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
And again, if Ellie had been smart, she would have waited.
She would have waited until she was back in shape,
she had recovered. She had to win back, you know,
and and she could, you know, do things like run
if she needs to.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
But that's exactly why Dina didn't tell her sooner. She
tells her, She's like, you have been trying to crawl
out of here, right.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, And we both knew. We both knew that Ellie
wouldn't say okay, you know, and to have her her
Rocky Boboa moment where she's you know, doing all the
you know, fighting the chicken and stuff. She she wasn't
going to do that. She was going right, and so
Dina did. She was smart, not saying anything.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, she was, and that's why she forgave her so quick.
I think, you know, she realized after she kind of
laid it out for her, after she got over her
shock of not being told. You know, she's like, you know,
you're right. You had like a hole in your side.
You couldn't really do anything. You could barely. You know,
you're sneaking, doing crunches in the hospital. You know you're
not doing anything.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
And you knew that she would forgive her as soon
as she like slid the cookies over. Okay, thanks because better.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I think that other guy who she was practicing with,
uh with the bag, I think he voted against her.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
He did. Yeah, that said Dina's boyfriend. And she even said,
you know, you come up quite a bit in those
three months. You know, there's a lot of openings. There's
a lot of people that died, well not a lot,
a lot a lot, but enough died. And even his

(13:42):
even his reaction to her question tells me that he
wasn't going to vote for Because this is a guy,
even from the last couple episodes, we could tell he's
he's a very conservative guy. He plays by the rules.
You know, it's you know, and foot in front of
the other to get to the next steph he doesn't leave,

(14:04):
he doesn't jump. I think that's part of the reason
why him and Diane are on again and off again
so much, because Dina's she's not as bad as Ellie,
but she is sporadic, you know, she's impulsive and and
I think he occasionally drives her crazy and solidness. But yeah,

(14:27):
and you could and you got a good feel from
the town. You know, some people were for it, some
people were against it. Uh.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I think more were against them for.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, they were mm hmmm uh. And Ellie. I'm gonna
say Ellie did a good job with her speech.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
She did, but we all know she was lying. Yeah, yeah, okay,
So her speech was very logical, right, she was trying
to pull at the heart strings of people without seeming selfish.
But people know her and they're like, nice, try no, uh,

(15:08):
we're not doing that. And you don't like the one
girl who stood up, the one woman who stood up
on the chair. You know, she's like, dude, if we
get attacked, we can't send our best people away, right,
And that makes total sense to me.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
It does. And honestly, I was even surprised they were
asking for that many, because if I had been her,
I would have asked for like four, you know, four
people total.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Plus her, four plus her, or just for a period
including her.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I mean, because four people is enough to for support.
But there's but that's a small enough group to be
able to sneak through areas pretty pretty easily. Yeah, four
would have been a good number personally.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
It's hard to hide more than four, it really is.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, And I don't know if they had taken for
I don't know that I would have recommended taking horses
they could have.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Well they needed to do it would take forever to get.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
There, yeah, probably. I mean they're far from Seattle, but
they're not that far. It take longer though, Yeah, but horses,
again require a lot of care and they need them
for the you know, taking four horses from.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Oh no, they wouldn't have done that. You see this time,
well they only could get one, but they only took
one for the two of them.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Right, And they did that intent. I mean, there was
a couple of reasons around it, and one of them
was is they didn't have to worry about taking it
wouldn't take as much to take care of which exactly.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
So if it were four of them, two horses, two each, right,
and just deal with that because you know again she
you know, Dina was very smart about the plan. She's like, oh, no,
what are you doing. Here's the plan, you know, make
sure you have this kind of stuff. You got to
take those chucks off, girl, get some other shoes. Make
everything fit in one bag, right right.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, I do appreciate the continuity with you wearing the
crocs across the country, but we are not doing it.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, take those things off. And she's like, oh, I
walked across the country before, but girl, that was a
long time ago, and you're going into the woods and
mountains and stuff. Take them things off.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
That shows her immaturity a little bit, like, I know
that's your style, but you gotta think smart here.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Well, and it wasn't even just it's not even just
a shoes wearing tennis shoes. She was wearing raggedy ass
tennis shoes. Once it look they were being held together
by duck teep in dreams.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
You know, water would seep through those things. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
You know these are not good shoes.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Nope, not at all. But they got it together and
they got the horse and that dreadful man helped them.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah. Well, and he also stood up in the in
the meeting and it stood up for her.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
And I don't think it was all guilt from what
had happened on New Year's Eve.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
No, But I don't think it was also for the
pure reasons either. I think that that guy is scared
of the unknown. He's scared of not you know, I
think he's like, yeah, let's get them, because I don't
want someone else to come back and get us. You know,
we're not weak. It's because of that, it's not because

(18:31):
of justice per se.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
And there is a fear. I mean, they've been pretty
isolated up there, and these guys, I mean they don't
know this, but you know, Abby and her group had
no idea about them being up here. They were expecting
maybe a couple of tents or a tent city, not
a town with walls and electricity, right, which apparently is

(18:56):
better than what they're doing in Seattle. So so, but
what Seattle apparently does have is a militia.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh my god, right, and a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Right. And I mean it would not it would not
be a far stretch for them to go back there
and report about this place and then to go, huh,
we should go take that.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, they have the w l F, the Washington Liberation Front.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Exactly, and and we've all and and they've already established
in this episode that they will kill to get what
they want, because they wouldn't after the people that appear
appear to be incredibly peaceful as they were quietly trying

(19:47):
to walk through the woods. They had an entire whistle language,
which I thought was really cool.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Oh and but actually I did see a little spoiler
on them, just a little background. I don't if we're
going to get the background because those people are dead already. Yeah.
So I guess they have a name, and they call
them the Sarah Fights, and I guess you know, they're
considered a cult, yes, and they are definitely dangerous people.

(20:15):
They're not necessarily kind people. But they did get the
jump on them. But yeah, so apparently those people aren't.
Yeah there was a kid there, But you know, it's
like the walking day, you come across different groups, you
really don't know who they are, right.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, I went for the fact that, I mean, because
they even addressed you, some people consider us a cult.
We're you know, we're following the prophet prophetess, she's not divine.
She just merely tells the truth. She won't save us,
which you know is different than most cults who believe
that you know, whoever their leader is is like their

(20:54):
divine saviors. That was kind of a refreshing for cult
like behavior.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Well, I was like, what's up with the scars on
their faces? Though?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Right? Well, and they were all wearing hammers. But honestly,
I just assumed, I mean, peaceful or not, you still
have to have protection because you wouldn't go out in
the Walking Dead without web No do you go out
to these clickers and such without weapons.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
But I also would not be scarring children's faces either. Yeah,
if you're an adult and you choose to do whatever
the group is doing, and the scar means I don't know, bravery,
whatever they choose it to mean, that's one thing. But
I just that gives you the indicator that something is wrong.
You're doing this to kids.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I don't know. I'm gonna say there are a lot
of cultures across It's.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Not a culture. They just made that shit up at
the end of the world.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Right, But I mean every culture is made up, so
it started it You know, culture is just basically could
plus time plus mellowing.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Oh, I don't know about that. I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I mean, but people, people band together because they share
a common goal, or share a common interest, or have
a common occurrence happen to them, and then it gets
you know, and then they become very clan like for
a while, and then as they kind of mellow they
expand out.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, you're assuming that they will mellow though. I feel like, yeah,
that's how history, That's how it is in history. But
these little factions of people, I mean, come on, we're
gonna find more of them. We're not done with it.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
I mean, and I mean, I'm not saying specifically for
these I'm just saying it's a general rule. And there
are a lot of cultures around the world that do
body scarring and body tattoos and so on and so
forth to mark themselves as membership to certain tribes, certain.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
And I still think it's wrong when they do stuff
to kids. I just how I feel you can't a
kid can't choose. I feel like that in the real
world when they be doing stuff to children, I.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Rite that And I'm not saying I agree with it.
I'm just saying that, you know, it's not a comment.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Well they don't make it, okay, But yeah, so I
guess we'll see, maybe we'll see some more of these
Seraphyites or not. That might be the end of them.
I don't know. But when they came across them, Dina
was sick. She was like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
That yeah. Well, and I assume that they were more
peaceful than others simply because they were trying to run
away from a fight, trying to get away from these situations.
His usually more aggressive groups would go, no, I'll keep it.
What's mine.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Maybe, but you don't really know what their whistles meant exactly,
Like I know he told his little daughter. You know,
she was able to translate a little bit at the beginning,
but that last one before they all went running, and
you know, he did say it was like what monsters
or something? But who knows what really they were saying.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Well, obviously it was people, because.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
But when he said monsters, I'm like, I thought he
was talking about like the infected, but that's not who
he was talking about.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Right, And Ellie didn't notice it. It was not a
uniform type of shellcasings either, it was a it was
a extreme mix.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Mm hmm, so hm, Well that will be revealed eventually.
What exactly happened to those people, I'm sure we'll not
we'll find out something.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Oh well, we don't find out about them exactly, we'll
find out why, I'm sure, just simply because you know
we're now meeting. You know, they've gotten our first sort
of introduction to the militia with their tangs as they
march down the street.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Well, look, I know one thing after finding that and
knowing that there are people in the woods out there
that are really dangerous and they're just murdering people, I
would not be able to sleep in a tent. I
need to see what the hell And I know it
was raining and stuff, but that I don't know. I
find that very unnerving. I'm not gonna be able to

(25:13):
see what's going on because I'm in a tent.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, the tent was before they found the people.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, well regardless, I still wouldn't be out there where
I can't see stuff. I guess they think they're a
little bit concealed, which they are, but that light was
on they want, yeah, like really bright. I was like, oh,
thinking like oh, I hope they're not just gonna start
like a makeout session or something in there and get
caught off unawares of what's going on. You know, yeah,

(25:43):
they didn't know. But I'm like, well, so what do
you think about that conversation they were having about, you know,
that night and all that? You think?

Speaker 2 (25:53):
I think Dina, I think she, I mean, she really
does like Ellie. I don't think she's decided if she
likes likes Ellie or not, but she's trying to get
out of Ellie. I think she's trying to gauge Ellie's
level of how much she likes her. It's high school,

(26:20):
So do you like me?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
You know?

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Circle yes? Circle no?

Speaker 1 (26:25):
She's like, how good a kiss her? Am? I I'm like, what, okay, great?
What you're trying to do?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
She could have just let she could have just let
that whole thing.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Go, and Alie was gonna let it go. She's not
gonna say anything.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
She wasn't gonna say anything. She was going to bring
it up. You can see her kind of having some
wheels turning there right before she turned off the light.
But she's like, nope, nope. So it's Dina. This, it's
making things uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, she's like the instigator here, like why are we
talking about this? What's happening? What do you want exactly?
She's very indecisive, I think because it's clear she likes
the girl. Yeah, I don't know. But she got back
with Jesse or whatever his name is.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yep, I know, I said that. Yeah, we're back together. Yeah,
you know. And and I'm pretty sure this is this
has been an on again, off again thing for a
very long time.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
I'm curious to see what becomes of their friendship, Like, well,
we'll Dina make it out of this season alive? Will
she not? You know, I'm curious about that. I'm not
sure she will.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
I don't know. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna venture
to guess on that one because I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
The thing is this, This is really dangerous stuff they're doing.
And that's what's That's also backs up the reason why
I think Tommy and some other people might be coming
for her, because someone's gotta die. I'm sorry, we have
one death, yes, but this is they're going to deal
with militia. Someone else needs to die. Who is it
gonna be? Is the question? And it can't And there

(28:07):
are only two of them right now, so it's one
of them, or it's gonna be someone else that comes
to support them. There's just no way they're gonna make
it out with no losses. I just can't imagine that.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Right, you know. But then again, I thanks may not
play out like you know, kind of like how Abby
finding Joel did not play out at all like you
and I had speculated. Yeah, for all we know, the
militias on the move to go back to find you know,

(28:41):
Joel's people.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I mean, we never know, right, We don't.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Know why they're moving, We don't know where they're going.
We don't know anything that's going on for all we know.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I mean, honestly, anything we guess as a guest, you know,
we don't know anything. Definitely didn't play the game, so
we don't, you know. So far, it seems like from
what I've heard, they are following in the game pretty lockstep.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
So and it's been three months and it obviously it
didn't take them very long to get there. Of course,
they were on a horse, the others were on foot,
you know. But that being said, it wouldn't take much,
you know, I mean, there would have been enough time

(29:24):
that if Abby and her friends got back there and said, hey,
we found this city and it has electricity and walls
and blah blah blah blah, and it was able to
withstand the attack, we might want to go get that place.
They might be on their way, because I mean they're

(29:46):
not technically raiders. But I'm gonna go with there, probably
not good.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Guys, right exactly, Probably not probably not well.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
And I mean they're not fireflies. But even I mean
the fireflies weren't all great. They weren't all good. You know,
they some of them had a good cause, they had
a good common cause, but you can see that a
lot of them stray, right. You know, all the military
cities had just become absolute deathspot dictatorships. You know, there's

(30:27):
there's just not a lot of Honestly, Joel's people are
pretty much the only ones that aren't horrible horrible, Yeah,
that aren't you know, they're not militaristic. I mean they're
they're prepared, but they're not military and they're not living
under the heel of one singular you know, dictatorship, you know,

(30:55):
or military trade reunial. They do have a I mean
they have a council, but they you know, but there's
what eight of them, nine of them, and they vote
and they do listen to people, and they you know,
they have elections. So yeah, this is probably the closest
that this city is probably the closest we have anywhere
in the country from what we've seen so far of

(31:17):
actual civilization.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, I would agree.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
So of course someone wants to come and destroy it.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Of course, everything good cannot stay. You know, it's good,
it's got to go.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
This is why we can't have nice eggs, I know.
So yeah, but yeah, it's really hard to say. I mean,
we don't we know that these people are on the move.
We don't know why. We don't know if they are
just doing maneuvers. We don't know if they have if
they're a roving banned or you know, if if they're

(31:51):
fairly settled. We really don't know much about them at all.
We know that they used to be part of the Fireflies.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, or at least some of the segment of them
or something of them.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, that's all we really know, right, which.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Is vague in itself. So maybe we'll know more they
get into it, Maybe maybe not. I don't know. It's
so hard to guess what's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
And I mean that's not terrible because if we knew
what was going to happen every sing before every episode
of be really Worring.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah what So I thought it was interesting when they,
you know, we switched to the scene of Seattle, how
they were like messaging each other over the walkers walkies,
not walkers of the walkies, and you know they're actually
looking out to see if places were clear for them
to march a certain way or go a certain way.

(32:40):
I was impressed. I'm like, oh, they're gonna be spotted.
I don't know how they're going to get into that
city without being seen.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Right well especially, I mean it's not like you know,
they they were up there on that overpass. It's not
like they were hid.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
No, Yeah, they would have even been seen then, but
who knows.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, And it's not like that horse is small, right,
you know, if it was just maybe two people walking up,
they might go unnoticed for longer, but two people and
a horse not quite so much.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
No, And if they're up there constantly scanning the different
you know areas, you know, based on the clock with
like one and two, three or four whatever wherever they're
looking or however they get into the city, they're gonna
it's gonna surprise me if they can get in their
unseen because you know, it seems like they have people
all over the place looking right at least one minimum

(33:34):
one probably two.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
And and the thing it is is Abby and her
people will probably would probably recognize both Na and Ellie.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Oh absolutely if they see them first. They're not gonna
sneak up on them.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
So you're gonna say, dang, we should have killed her.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Probably, although I will say Ellie did tell them very forcefully,
I will kill you, so you know she wasn't sense it.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah, that's not kidding. Well, they're gonna find out right right. Yeah,
let's see what else. You know, this episode was pretty straightforward,
and I think this is kind of like a Connector episode,
you know, not much action, but important in itself because
you know, it pushed the plot forward, you know, set

(34:31):
us up for the next conflict really nicely well, and.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
It gave us a chance to grieve, you know, with
the characters Joel's death and you know and the immediate
grief and then the moving on, you know, and to
kind of see that you can see the changes that
this attack has caused the city. There is more fear

(34:58):
than there was before. You can tell that with the people.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
M m.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, and but and then it gives us up. We
haven't really seen much of the outside world at all
this this season until now.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Which is cool, I think, because I think that's kind
of why we were kind of theorizing that there would
be a time jump, because no one wants to spend
a whole season in that town, right, So I'm glad
we got on the move and we're somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
You know, it's no longer winter time. It's not you know,
much better time a year to travel. Not but and
I will the one thing that struck me is and
again they were staying off the main roads and stuff,
but it is the world is very empty.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, it is definitely hasn't started to repopulate itself yet.
Got a ways to go for that probably, you know.
And obviously the courtycep things are still growing everywhere. Oh
so okay, side note. So and yet last week's episode
we saw Ellie like putting some or some blood went

(36:17):
down the drain. Someone was theorizing that the courtceps in
the pipes was because of her putting blood down the drain.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, you sent me that link. I washed that. You know,
that's actually not a terrible theory.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, I was like, oh that's different. I didn't even
given that a second thought, Like, yeah, yeah, so that
makes me wonder. You know, obviously all of the cordyceps
are still out there, so I don't know. I guess
they probably won't start to rebuild or be able to

(36:55):
grow a population until all those things are actually dead somehow.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I mean you can tell. I mean there are babies
being born there. The girl that was with the other
group was obviously younger than the apocalypse, so I mean
there are some children being born, but it's you can
also see it snowhere near replacement.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
No, not yet, I mean with people still being killed,
and you know, those things not really they're just lying
in wait, some of them, you know, like with last week,
you know, they were just all piled up under the snow.
I don't know if they could be everywhere, So I
don't know. It's gonna be interesting to see how this
if we even get to that point. You know, I
think they already have the end of this story already,

(37:41):
So who knows. What we'll actually get to see. But
it's interesting to think about.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I did enjoy this. I mean again, it wasn't a
lot of action or anything. This was a quiet moment
or these quiet interludes throughout the whole thing. You know.
It was Ellie having her grief in the house. You know,

(38:06):
it was the two of them, Ellie and Dina discussing,
you know, Dina coming clean about what she knew. It
was the town coming together and saying yes or no,
and then you know, them leaving, and then the interlude
before anything bad happens when they're on the horse and
they're playing word games, you know, and going to Joel's

(38:31):
grave and so there's a lot went on, but mostly
there were just these quiet reflection moments, you know, these
little vignettes within the episode.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, definitely a transitional episode.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
But I liked it. It was I thought it was
very well done and I wasn't bored. Yeah, they didn't
linger too long on any of the quiet moments or
even the silly moments oh double points.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, I mean so far. Honestly, I think these writers,
they've got the pacing right. Yeah, the pacing has been good,
and like we pointed out, I don't know. I think
in the first episode with so few of the episodes,
even versus last season, they have less episodes, so they
really don't have a whole lot of time to burn,

(39:23):
you know, on prolonged scenes and prolonged sadness and prolonged everything. Right,
you can't really do it. Yeah, they're trying to get
someplace in seven episodes.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
I did. I was listening to the the little after
the thing after the episode, and one of the guys
was talking. He's like, you know, one of the things
that always kind of made me sad was we really
couldn't We couldn't explore the grief of Joel's passing in
a video game, because that's that's not how video games work.

(39:55):
M hm, he said, So this was the It was
really nice because we were able to do that. We
were able to explore some of that grief.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
He's like, we didn't like spend, you know, in a
whole episode on it or anything, but it was nice
to have that chanced for the people to mourn him.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah. Honestly, it was really balanced because had they done
a whole episode about that, I would not have liked it.
I would not have wanted fifty minutes of drieving Joel.
I just wouldn't have right, that would not have been
fun to watch it all. No, So they were smart
about it, like they gave the little extra that they

(40:36):
felt the audience needed. But it was just enough. Right.
It's so nice to watch something and not have a
kazillion complaints about it, I know.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
And the Walkees worked reasonably.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, that's amazing, nothing ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
You know, you're not picking up signals over mountains or
across the ocean.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Who knew? Who knew? Stuff can work out? Supposed to work?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Look at that weird? Right?

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, it's great. Honestly, I think that's kind of what
I like about this show in general. It feels really realistic,
even though it's very not realistic, like, you know, even
how we got to see the outbreak, you know, even
in season one. You know, it's very sciencey, right, it's
not this whole woo you know, how to get like this?

(41:29):
We don't know, you know, it's very very different. It
feels different in a good way. It's fresh.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, I'm I'm really enjoying it. I have no complaints
as so far, which is great.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, because you guys, if you want to hear us complain.
Check out the other stuff we talk about when we
talk about the Walking Dead. We can cut them up,
we show them up and spin them out on a
regular basis. I know, I know. Do you ever want
to get some entertainment, you know, some more entertainment. Check
out some of our Walking Dead episode.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Occasionally you'll hear you hear cameras saying to me, why
do you know that stuff? Why are you making me nauseous?
I don't know the thing whether they're walking dead, and
there should be a don of flies, lots of them, y'all.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Lisa knows a little bit about everything. You be like,
how okay, oh no, how you know?

Speaker 2 (42:28):
But okay, I'm walking Google. You know you don't want
to My brain is full of stuff. It's not always useful,
but hey, I can pick a part an episode because.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, yeah, we definitely do.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
But no, I mean, on this one, really, it's not.
It's not that the science is quote unquote good. The
science is plausible because we already know that in nature
there is such a thing is this right, and there
there's one one type that that goes after basically wasps

(43:11):
and things grow out of its head and it becomes
a zombie. I mean it's it's yeah, it's pretty gnarly.
So this is not a this could never happen scenario.
I don't want it to happen. Don't get me wrong.
I'm not even saying that it's plausible. What I'm saying
is it's not completely implausible, right, And they don't they

(43:35):
don't push the science to the ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
No, we just got enough to understand what the out
what caused the outbreak, and how that all happened, and
we can move on, you know, unlike our other favorite series,
you know, and all of it's been off, so we
still don't know what the hell happened, right, so.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Infected flower Man?

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Who who knew? So I guess Actually, I don't think
I have anything else This episode, like I said, it
was so succinct. We had a couple of like main
things going on and that's it. It's not a lot of.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Things, right, And I yeah, I really at this point,
I mean we've talked about all the major moments and
it was good. I mean, it was a good, solid
episode and I'm I'm really pleased with this with this series.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, me too. It's a good season. We got four
more episodes to go before the end, so and I
know these next couple of weeks will fly by for sure.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I mean for those of you that, any of you
out there that have played the video games, I mean,
are you in agreement with this? I mean, is this?
Have these shows? Have these episodes been as solid to
you as they are to us? Or are you upset
because you know minor variations for the video game?

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah? When answering that, don't tell us any future spoilers. Okay, don't, don't, don't.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
It's just say yay, nay, you know, or I like
it or love it or I hate it, you know,
because several people I know that have actually played the
video games have refused to watch the show, so I
can't ask them mm hmm, you know, other than you
know when they occasionally walk in and go, oh, I

(45:16):
know that from the from the from the video game,
and then they play something on me and they walk away.
Oh goodness, they're like cats, you know, throwing up a
hairball on the floor and then walking away.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah, as most people do with adaptations. Everything is not
going to be perfect, but.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Right so I'm just curious, you know, if anyone wants
to share.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, I'd like to hear that too. If you're a gamer,
you've played all the game and you how you feel
about it. Okay, I think that's it. What do you think, Lisa,
I think we're done. Okay. It's been a great conversation,
a fun time as always, and of course we enjoy
and love that you guys listen to the entire episode.
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