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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey everyone, welcome back to the podcast. We are here
breaking down the last of US Season two, episode four,
Day one. I am your host, Tamara, and I am
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You won't want to miss a single episode as we
journey through this season. Joining me today is show call
host Lisa.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome back, Lisa, Hey, Tamra, Hey everyone, my name is
Lisa Orban. I am an author. I am also the
founder of Indies United publishing house, and I love all
things pop culture.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, so, if you are new to the podcast, we
are laid back in our review style, right.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Lisa, absolutely, Tamora. This is a conversation, not a dissertation.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
No no scene by seeing breakdowns. Here we jump around
and of course a huge spoiler alert for everything through
yesterday's episode. The only spoilers you won't really find here
are from the game, as we did not play it.
So if you're cool with that is the place for you,
and let's jump right to it. Please, all right, what'd
you think.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I liked it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I was.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It kept me entertained, and I wasn't really bored throughout
any of the episode. I am gonna say, at the
end of it, I'm like, God, children, come on, go home.
And you know, right, you know, I mean at this point,
I mean there's a war going on. For all they know.
The people that are after to kill are gonna get
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killed anyway, or are already dead.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You know. Yeah, like this is probably not the right time.
I'm leaving. Come later.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
No. No, although I am gonna say so, when Dina
was in that that hospital space and she stopped and
she's like, hey, I'm gonna go pee, I'm like, ah,
she's gonna take a pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah I knew, but oh no, I said she's pregnant.
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And mostly because I mean she had thrown up at this,
you know, when they came across those other people, I'm like,
I know, she said she's seen dead people before.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You know, that was a clue because I'm like the
same as you. I'm like, I didn't think she would
be sick like that with the dead body she's killed people,
I'm sure it's say, well, well.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Maybe it's just maybe it was the kids. You know,
there were dead kids, and you know that's something that
hit some people more than others, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I still thought it was kind of odd. But yeah,
so she's like, I got a pee. Although I do
want to point out too though, when you pee on
a pregnancy test and it sits for over an hour,
it always shows pregnant.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Oh does it? Well? I mean I didn't. I didn't
know that, but okay, good to know. Don't wait for
too long to look at it, y'all.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, it's like there's like it tells you to look
in like five minutes, ten minutes, one minute, whatever it is. Yeah,
it has to do with the chemicals that they just
continue to break down and if you have a boy
pee on it, it'll show up pregnant too.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Oh wow, hmmm, Okay, I'm gonna start calling these interesting
facts from Lisa.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Sorry, sorry guys, anyway, but yeah, I thought, I mean,
you and I have talked about this, you know that
they they've been kind of moving forward and shuffling. Dina's
been moving forward and shuffling back. Who this whole thing
since since episode one of this of this season, and
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you know, we had talked about it, and it does
make a little more sense now that she's like, I
like girls, I like boys, but my mom said no,
and you know, she was trying to do her part.
I guess, yeah, so it kind of makes more sense now.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
You know what's really interesting to me when they got
into the city and they saw the Pride flags, they
didn't know what they were. They're like, oh, I guess
they're just happy people are them. And then for her
to you know, have that, you know, I like girls
and boys, but you know, I was stuck, you know, like, oh,
this is like cool that you would see Pride flags
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but they don't even know. I'm like, wow, I guess
they wipe that from history. I guess, well, you know,
when it comes.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
To survival mode, I suppose Pride flags are lower on
the scale of things that we need to.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I know, but you'd see them all over the country,
not just in Once, not just in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, but if you think about it, I mean, so
Dina I believe has mostly been around that, you know,
the settlement area, you know, but when you're under the
fe iteration, I mean, they they've pretty much wiped out
almost everything anyway.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, I get it. But I'm like, they were in
a you know, what was that Colorado they were in. Yeah,
that's a liberal area. I'm just shocked that they've never
seen it before. That just seemed odd to me.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You know, I'm well, I'm pretty sure if they had
been if this, if we were more in like New
Orleans or San Francisco or in this case, Seattle, in
places that had dedicated areas, I guess would be you know.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I guess I let it slide. It just seemed odd.
I'm like, that's I guess, yeah, but you're right, in
the apocalypse, that's not the most important thing to preserve,
probably right.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well, and both of these girls are were born, you know,
either while things were happening at the beginning or near
the the end of the beginning collapse, So again, they
spent most of their lives in survival mode. Yeah, you know,
I'm pretty sure they probably don't have a real good
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grasp on a lot of culture history.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I guess unfortunately not. I don't know. I guess people
don't care to try to preserve stuff in that in
that type of situation, but you think they would after
things calm down, and you know, they're no longer fighting
for their lives every single second of the day, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Right, But in a lot of these communities, I mean really,
so far, the only place that we've seen is that
is fairly peaceful and not under a military rule is
where they live.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, their place.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So I mean everyone else is still basically in absolute
survival mode, which is quite unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, it is actually so for me. This episode was
pretty good, but I think that seeing Elie and Dina
kind of turned the corner with their relationship. Was you know,
I was saying before, I'm like, is Deina gonna make
it out alive? So now I'm wondering, like this is
almost the kiss of death, Like you get in a relationship,
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you seem happy about it, and now someone's got to die.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I just right, I was like, man, I mean I
guess for high stakes. You know, if Dina dies along
with the baby, that'll be you know, devastate, absolutely devastating
to Ellie.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Oh what if it would be crazy and she made
it all the way to she gives birth to this
child and she gets bit and you got another immune.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Person, maybe, I mean, but she's not that far along.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
No, She's got months and months they'd have to probably
make it out of this situation before.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And you know, and then Ellie throwing her arm up
to save her mm hmm. And I'm like, oh, this
is gonna be bad because she has no idea that
Ellie is amute.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
No, And that is exactly how that fits with the
pre you know, the preview. We're like, why would she
have a gun on her? That makes exactly a lot
of sense now, like, well, she thinks she's gonna have
to put you down because you've been bitten.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Right, you know. And it's not that they haven't had
to do that to people. You know, uh what's his
name had to put down the psychiatrists husband and for
what we assume was the same reason he was bitten,
right you know.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So I know one thing, after the relief that Ellie
was not going to turn and she would not die,
she would have got cussed out, like we've been friends,
that's friends for how long? How you not gonna tell me?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah? Oh yeah? And I mean, I and it, but
it kind of makes sense because if you're the only
person right now that's immune that I mean, it makes
you special, but it also makes you a target.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I know. But it's like, I just feel like this
is the one exception. They are so close, they go out,
you know, together to kill things like this is the
one person that you would need to know that if
you got bit, don't kill me, you know, right? But
I guess not. Maybe she doesn't think she can keep
her mouth shut, but secrets out the bag. Now. I
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can't imagine that Dina would say anything to anyone.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
No, but I think she was more maybe it and
it had been kind of drilled into elie, don't say anything,
don't say anything. And when people did find out, the
few times they did find out, they either expected her
to somehow cure them herself, you know, or there was
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a lot of resentment. And maybe she just didn't want
Dina to resent her for having this. I mean, this
is you know, this is the golden ticket in this place.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Oh yeah. And don't get me wrong, I understand the
need for secrecy. I just think I don't know, there's
an exception to every rule here is.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But again, I think she was probably more maybe not
so worried about her tattling on her as much as
her feeling resentful towards her because she's safer than anyone
else in this world. I mean, it's not to say
that that they won't bite her or go after her,
because they do. Right, you know, she's not free of
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them tearing her apart from limb to limb from limb,
but she won't turn either, so you know, it was bad.
I mean it would be kind. I mean, it'd be
a really great superpower if it also repelled them.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, that would be really good. Like just stick by me,
you're safe.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Right, you know that would be awesome. But you know,
I mean, we're not making her into a superhero, just
you know, immune, right, and you know it's kind of
like you know, people with that are immune from the flu.
Doesn't mean if you stand next to him you won't
get it.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
True. Yeah, well that was interesting. I thought that scene
was pretty good. And she, you know, Dina kept her cool.
She didn't blow her head off or anything. She just
kind of you know, I'll listen to you for now,
but I will stay up all night with this gun
pointed at you, as she should.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Right. Well, and then with that that water hit her
face and she started jerking, No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Like the wax relaxes, just water.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I kind of giggled at that.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, that was pretty funny though, my oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I mean, at that point she could have gotten her
head blown up just because Diane had been sitting up
all night. She was already on freight nurse. But yeah,
I did. And we also kind of got this. We
got a little bit of backstory about what's going on
in Seattle and and how they got rid of Fedra,
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which seemed like a really good idea at the time.
But then the people that they got rid of Federer
then basically became fed.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, they did. So I thought that was interesting. How
Isaac's character, which is the guy's name is Jeffrey Wright,
the actor, and you know, I've seen him and other
HBO stuff. You know, he was in what's the name
of that show? I can't think right now, it'll come
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to me later. But anyway, so when I saw him,
I'm like, oh, yeah, he's gonna be in this season.
Like I kind of like temporarily forgot. I'm like, he's
always good on camera, so I was like really looking
forward to seeing how he you know, how what his
character does and how his character moves. And he's already
shown that this character has got a lot of interesting
things going on. I mean, he just blew up his
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own team.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, I'll carry casually, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And he save the one person that seemed like they
had some you know, empathy, right, Yeah, He's like, well,
come on out here, Yeah, you come on out.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know, you can be my backup here.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah. I mean he switched teams and effectively seems like
I don't think he's he's not in charge, but he's
at the top.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah. And and you can see where he started it was.
It was from a a good place. I don't know,
I don't know if that's the right, but from a
a nobler place of where he is right now, where
he wanted there to be more free. I mean, because
he was really intensed about the you know, why are
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they called voters? Well, let me tell you. And you know,
and because and I could see why getting rid of
feder was a really good idea, because these guys were
just laughing and joking about acts, you know, people getting
killed for no good reason and everything else. And I mean, yeah,
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they needed to go. But instead of Isaac and his
this new you know, overthrow it, they're really, from what
we can see, are no better than what Federa was.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Well, I think you know things, what do they say,
the best laid plans, right, I'm sure they had every
intention on being better than feder but over the years
it's just turned out to be the same, more of
the same, just just under a different guy's a different reason,
but the still the same.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah. Well, and Elie and Dinez are walking through Seattle,
they're seeing the aftermath of that, you know, fight between
the Federa and everyone else. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure
that so they call themselves wolves. Yeah, and I think
they also have some fireflies in there too. It also
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makes me wonder what's going on in Boston. I wonder
if they've overthrown their regime. But anyway, uh, but yeah,
it's it's kind of interesting. And isak As he's talking about,
He's like, you know, I was I was a decent cook.
You know. I always wanted I hate for.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
The girl got him. Always wanted these lovely French pot sets.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, he was even he would be content with just
he wanted the saucepan.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
With softpan with the lid.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, you know, and now he has the whole set.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
And which he is not cooking in anymore. He is
using for a torture device.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yes, and and then we also get some more we
get more background information on the Cephalos Saraphytes. Saraphytes, Thank
you sure from Sarah whatever her name was, the prophetess. Yeah,
and and and and they're kind of going back and
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forth and like, no, you're gonna lose because you lose wolves,
but we don't. None of us go to you, mm hmm.
And and Isaac's like, yeah, well whatever, and you broke
the treaty. Well, you broke the treaty, so oh we're
doing a whole big tit for tat here. This whole
war is just it's petty. It's it's a petty war. Well.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I wonder if the Sarahphyights was a direct like you know,
just how the WLF separated from feder I bet they
were all one at one point, right, and then they
split off like we don't like what you're doing, so
we're gonna go against you. I wonder if the Sarah
Fhyights were at one point a part of the WLF,
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and they turned into their own faction and they started,
you know, believing whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Wasn't it correct me if I'm wrong. The woman that
Isaac initially shook hands with her name was Sarah, wasn't
it Ah?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
You know what, I'm not really sure. And she was
there for such a quick moment. I didn't register her name.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Because I'm thinking and and I could be wrong, Guys,
don't you know, don't get mad at me if I'm
wrong about this. But I'm wondering because that scene not
only the throwing in the the boom booms to kill
everyone in the truck. I'm wondering if that the woman
that was there in front. I believe he said her
name was Sarah. I'm wondering if she is the leader, well,
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the prophet of the Sarah fights. Now.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Oh, I don't know. I guess we'd have to wait
and see. I guess right.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I have no clue, but that would kind of make
sense that that particular meeting is the one that they
chose to focus on. Was, you know, these these two
leaders essentially meeting, and I'm wondering if there was some
kind you know, he started to go more the way
of Fedra and she was going, no, we're gonna try
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and do something else. And that's where the schism, you
know is hmm, because he's also seen because Isaac also
seems to be taking this somewhat personally, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, you know, at this point in time, I definitely
can understand why, because you know, the Seraphyts are hanging
them and stuff. So at this point they're just out
there raging towards each other.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Right, Yeah, the Seraphights are hanging them, and they're going
after the Seraphyights and killing everyone. So I mean it's
it's a bloodbath on both sides. There's there's no good
guys in.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
This right, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Like I said, when we first met him, I was
the way they initially acted it. I thought they were
more like you know, well not Kumbaya, but more maybe
like Buddhist monks, you know what I mean, non violent
because a hammer is one of those things that you
can use it for protection.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Or defensive not offensive.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, you know, so you can build things with a hammer.
So that's where I was. That's where my mind went
when we first met them, and maybe that's where they started.
But as this conflict has escalated, it has, you know,
everything has escalated.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Well you know, I don't know if we'll see the
beginnings of the Seraphytes or not, but if we do,
I'm sure the incorporation of whatever religious thing they have
going on here is by design, you know. It definitely
seems to like drop people in in a different way.
And like that person said, people don't leave us, they
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leave you, So.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, I really did. Also like that moment when Ellie
found the guitar.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I like the moment, but when she started singing, I'm like, okay,
do we have time for a song? Break?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Well, there's a do you know why they put that
in there?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I know it's in the game, but in the game
in the moment. I didn't know it was in the
game until after the fact, but I assumed it has
something to do with the game, so I guess more
fan service for the game players.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, apparently it was one of those. It was a
hidden unlocked so not everyone ever saw it, and but
it was. It was a well loved, you know, hidden unlock,
so I could see why they would put that in there.
And and it also started that that that point where
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you could see that Dina's looking at Elie slightly differently
now mm hmm, you know, as she's wiping the tears
from her eyes listening to her singing, and you know, everyone,
it's kind of nice that they are, they are they
are mixing some quieter moments with the more violent moments.
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At least I enjoyed that.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You know, I don't have a album with it, per se.
I just was like in the in the moment in
the scene while I was watching, I'm like, oh, that's cute.
And then the next thought I had was are they
going to sing? She's gonna sing the whole song? Oh yeah,
And I'm like, oh, okay. I mean, I just I
get it. You know, I don't hate it, but I
don't love that stuff either. It was fine. It was
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you know, she found some strings for her guitar at home,
which she was happy about, so you know, it's fine.
I don't I guess I don't really connect to sum
up these like hidden gems because I didn't play the game.
So to me, I was kind of like, well, I mean, yeah,
it was a entry way for Dina to kind of
like say what she needed to say.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I guess, yeah, Like I said, I didn't know that
it was until like you like, at the end, But
I don't know, I just I kind of liked that
little moment there. I've been kind of enjoying the little moment,
the little quiet moments between the two they've been sprinkling. Yeah,
And I don't know, maybe it's because I also liked
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that song. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
It's a fun song. Yeah, throwback for real though.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
But you know what though, actually I guess that does
kind of help break up, Like you were saying, the
pacing and stuff, because like when they got you know,
into the city and they're like running, you know, away
from all the infected and they're running, you know, going
through the train and climbing up and doing all this stuff.
I'm like, it felt like a video game. It looked
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very video game to me.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, And and so we had just you know, there
was a just high intensity, and so it was kind
of nice to have just that little reprieve going back
and forth.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That train scene that was insane.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah, I'm like, oh my god, that's wild. They just
came from like I guess, so the little what do
you call those things the flares, No, the flares that
triggered the little cordyceps there it is that were under
the train. They're like a lessensa or something to tell
all the effect it come this way. There's things over
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here and as Dina sitting there holding her fingers. I'm like,
oh my god, creepy. How many is it going to be?
And we see like this flood of them, I'm like,
oh lord.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, And we've they've really kind of been pushing this
concept of the heat has been activating them. So they're
going into like a stasis when there's nothing around and
heat is drawing them out. Yes, so, because we also
saw that, you know, back at the what's the name
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of their city there in Colorado anyway, back there too,
in the sewer systems, so as things got warm and
we're exposed to heat, it was drawing more more. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, it just draws them out. So honestly, I'm surprised
though they haven't learned that it's been so many years.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, well, dy even said the white guy turned to
the other He's like, I thought this place was clear.
He's like it was, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But mushrooms keep they grow back. They never gone, They're
never gone gone. Right, it's dark and damp.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Exactly, and I just I think because they haven't had
an outbreak, you know, it's it's kind of like back
in the mountains, they had all those that were under
the snow that they had no idea were there. I
think they're starting to it seems like they are starting
to not be so strung out anymore. But they're they're
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starting to group. They're starting to flock together. Because the
groups that we're seeing of them there, it's not one
or two or a couple here, couple there that the
the groupings seem to be getting bigger and bigger. So
it's it's it's like they're being drawn in to each
other and then they're going out in herds. Yeah, So
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I think and I think they're they're starting to exhibit
some different abilities, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Which we saw in the whatever episode that was where
they were kind of just stalking. There's definitely different things
going on. So I don't I'm curious to see how
this proceed proceeds. You know. So we have like basically
a turf war. Now we've got you know, the infected
all over the place. I'm sure they're just not gonna
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be gone. They're out now.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, so we've got Yeah, so now that they've been awakened,
they're not gonna stay in that subway system.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
No they're not. They're coming out.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
They're coming out.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, and now they know where to go they know
where Nora is, and they're like, well, Nora knows where
Annie is, so we're going and we're killing everyone we
come across.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
That's right. Yeah, And you could see when when the
girls got into the newsroom, into the news building and
she's like, oh, look he got stuck apparently and he died.
But you know, and they get in there and and everything,
and they see the people hanging. They're like, okay, what
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is going on here? Because they saw the same symbol
as what they saw on the chase of the people
and on their backs, and so they know now that
there's some kind of war, you know, going on that
they've stumbled into.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And honestly, they probably thought something similar to you. They
probably thought all these poor people who did this to them?
And now they're like, holy shit, these people these people, right,
oh my god. So yeah, they were surprised.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, And you can even see that being played out
between Isaac and and and and the and the cold
guy because I can't remember the Sophie Pizza the Seraphytes
because you know, he's like, will you kill our children?
Will you give them guns? That's because you are killing them,
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you know, And it's it's that chicken and the egg thing,
and and so each neither side will concede, and neither side,
you know, and and they both agree that whatever treaty
they had between them is broken, but both sides, but
both sides blame the other side for the breaking of
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the treaty, right, and which does indicate what they really
need to do is make another treaty. But they're not that.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, sometimes you can't make a treaty when someone's acting,
you know, irrational. So I don't know, but you know,
I have to say though, Isaac does not seem like
he gets enjoyment out of torture. No, he is doing
what he thinks he needs to do. And the minute
he realizes that the STAA fight is not gonna be
cooperative at all, you know, he puts his hand out,
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like burn me some more. I don't give a fuck.
He's like, I just I'm gonna I'm just gonna kill
you because I'm not doing this. We already know you're
not gonna say any tell me anything, so we're done.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, he doesn't take any pleasure. And he even see,
I mean you can see by the look on his face,
he's just like, God, why do I gotta do this,
you know. And and even the young soldier that we
saw that got off the uh the vehicle with him,
it has stuck with him. Apparently he's just looking haggard, tired,
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too hard. Yeah, this is you know, these are when
you look at the soldiers of this, they mostly what
they look at is just exhausted. So that's that's not
a good sign.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, we don't know how long they've been fighting with them.
Long enough, I guess.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I'm gonna say at least four years, because it was
five years ago that the it initially took place. I'm
gonna I don't know how long it took them to
overthrow Fedra mm hmm, but I'm gonna say that it
this has been going on for at least a couple
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of years, because this is this is entrenchment.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Right, And even so, even then, all the soldiers are
exhausted because before they were fighting with the Seraph fights,
they were fighting with Fedra and w LAB. So the
fighting has been going on for a long time, even
though the players have changed.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Right, Yeah, this is this is constant. This has been
constant warfare for for some of them, probably most of
their lives. At this point, so yeah, but violence just
begets violence. And you know, again, the solution, the the
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correct solution for this problem is is they need to
sit down and make another treaty. That's the rational thing
that these guys. Neither side is rational at this point.
They want others to concede that they that they were right,
and neither side is right. They'd rather kill each other.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, And at this point, honestly, Ellie really doesn't give
a fuck about that. She has a goal. And I
don't know if she's gonna even start caring about the
conflict they have there or if she's gonna remain focused
on her target.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah. And like I said, at this point, since they
know that there these two groups are at war with
each other. Fer if I was Ellie, I'd go, you
know what, I think the problem's gonna take care of itself.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I would probably guess that too, because you know, they're
gonna kill each other. So let them do their thing
and I'm gonna go home.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Because you know, it's it's like we're having a baby.
All three of us are having a baby. We're having
a baby. I'm going to be a dad, you know,
I mean, she's you know, there's this whole just rapid fire.
It was really kind of I really enjoyed that we
have a baby, but knowing that and knowing that nothing
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is going to bring him back, and knowing that these
two groups are viciously going after each other and they
would be walking into a war zone to try and
find four people to kill. Just let them kill each
other and be done with it.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, And honestly, she's still so focused on revenge. You know,
even news of a new baby has not swayed her.
I mean, she did tell Dina, hey, you can hang back,
you know, you don't have to do this, right, but
I will continue on. So, I mean, she's a little cocky.
I don't know. Maybe she thinks she can accomplish this
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and come back in one piece.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I think she does. I don't know. At this point,
her need for revenge is trumping her need for a future.
She wants that future, don't get me wrong. You can
see that in her excitement, but it's still not enough
to trump her need for revenge, right, which is really
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rather sad.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
It is sad, and that's why ultimately I feel like
she's not gonna have the happy ending she thinks she's
gonna get is not gonna work. Something bad will happen.
I'm gonna wear another either now or later. But that's
just not gonna what she thinks she's gonna get. She's
not gonna get because she's so.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Focused. Yeah, and I mean, you know, again, the rat
none of these shows, no one ever does the rational thing,
you know, would be for her to go you know what. Yeah,
we're gonna let these guys kill themselves. We're gonna get
backed on our horse and we're gonna go home and
we're gonna have a baby and we're going to live
a happy life. But that really isn't much of a show.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Now.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
It's conflict. It is.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It is conflict and danger, and honestly, it seems so easy.
I mean, Ellie hasn't been bitten twice already twice in
this season. How in the hell is you know, Dina
going to get through this without getting bidden? I'd like
to know. It just seems almost impossible, right.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And I mean there were a lot you know of
you know, of the mushroom heads walking through Seattle. We
know that now is not cleared, and with these two
groups more focused on each other than they are on
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keeping the area clear, it's it's just a recipe for bad.
This is a city that's I mean, and I know
the players between these two conflicting groups can't see it,
but there is no good outcome. No, But it's just
the city's gonna fall. I mean, there's civilizations, both of
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their little societies. They're both going to crash and burn.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I think the one good thing about all of this
chaos that Ellie and Dina have working for them is
that the people that were seeking them out they've been
so I guess they're probably not even thinking about them
anymore because of all the havoc that just happened with
the infected. So for now they probably can sneak aro
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around a little longer without anyone looking for them because
of all the chaos that just you know, erupted, right,
So they might have a little bit of buffer in
there now. Before you know, someone from that team survives
and is able to rap them out. Like there's some
girls running around here. We don't know if they're from
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the Seraphites or not.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, they don't have any of the facial markings, so.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
But it was dark. I don't think they got a
real good look at them, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I mean, they didn't. But I'm just saying, if they
see them in the daylight, they I mean, if they
encounter a group, you know, they could just say no,
we're not we're wandering through. Sorry, we're on our way
to Canada.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I know that's not going to stop them from being
hauled into wherever and being questioned or.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Oh that's true, and it really did, you know, considering
how much effort was it Annie that's her name, right,
Annie who killed Joel. Considering how much time, effort and
planning she put into going after Joel, you know, to
kill him, you would think that when she as soon
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as she saw Ellie's reaction, honestly, she should have killed Ellie.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, she should have.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
You know, her brain should have said, oh, this is
a loose end that we need to take care of,
because you know, apparently she feels towards Joel how I
felt about my dad m h. And the fact that
she completely dismisses Ellie.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Is unfortunate for her. Yeah, it is odd. I agree, Like,
why wouldn't you just take care of.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It, right, you know, because I mean Ellie was, you know,
get up, Joel, get up, and then she was screaming
and she even said I'm going to kill you, yeah,
and she Annie shouldn't have dismissed that because that's exactly
what she did when she found out about her.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Dad, yeah, which is again like so ironic, like why
wouldn't you And we said this during that, you know,
with that episode, like why wouldn't you just take her out?
She's down, you have, you have power over her, just
do it real fast and leave right again, you know,
it wouldn't be a story if they did that. But
I mean, the logic seems lacking.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Right, and and but I have noticed that the show
the cycles of violence, you know, so we've got you know,
Joel killed Annie's father, so Annie came after Joel. Annie
killed Joel, and now you know Ellie is after Annie.
So there's a cycle of violence. Who started, you know,
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the whole who started? And Joel killed her dad because
he was going to kill Ellie, right, And then we
have this conflict between the Wolves and the Seraphyites, which
is this ever escalating cycle of violence. So we see
it in like the little individual, and we're seeing this
on the bigger scale the whole show, the whole season,
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and it's really about cycles and violence and how they
keep escalating and taking out you know, more and more
people are are being affected and dying because of the
escalations on both sides.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Mm hm, which is you know, I kind of am
curious to see how that would come to an end
because it would have to be treaties and agreements made
and things like that, and I can't imagine that kind
of thing is going on in a video. Okay, Right,
So what would the writers do to make this happen
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in the real you know, in the real world for
these characters in their world. I should say, you know,
when they are ready to end this show, because from
I understand, I think they already had the end done,
like they've already plotted what there how many seasons and everything.
So I'm really curious how they're going to make that
happen when this is about conflict and fighting and revenge, right,
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that is the theme of the show.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
It is, So I don't know, because I mean, it's
it's I mean, it is about survival, but it's it
really is about they are living in a world where
humans are barely holding on by their fingernails. Yeah, it
is in their best interests, it's in everyone's best interest
(39:19):
to find common ground and work together whenever possible, because again,
everyone's holding on by their fingernails.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
But and we've seen this not on just this show,
but on a lot of shows. Instead of people working
cooperatively or at least live and let live. Hey, you
take that area and we'll take this area, and we'll
just leave each other alone rather than decimate what's left
of the human race. It's you know, it's just kind
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of sad.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, And there's more than enough space in the city
of Seattle to just draw line. Yeah, stay on this side,
we'll stay on that side. We're fine.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, I mean, at this point, they could take a
part of you know, you take that part of the
state and we'll take this part of the state. Even
you know, I mean there's, like you said, there is
a lot of empty space that you know, so there's
and I realized part of it might be resources and stuff.
But again, it's in everyone's best interest to not kill
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each other. And yeah, they're just really bad at that.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, I mean, especially you want the human race to
continue to grow and to repopulate, so you can't kill everyone.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Right, and you know, who is a who dies the most?
And when it comes to battles of war, the young people,
and and in these conflicts it's you know, men and women,
and there is no safe spaces. You can't It's not
like you can go to war. I mean, you can
go to war being pregnant, but I really don't recommend it.
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The outcomes are.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Bad, right, I mean, there are so many things that
could happen, so.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, I mean, and again, even even with Dina, I
mean she's pregnant. She you know, she's at this point
one of those that's holding the hope for a future
human race. And yet is yet is choosing to go
with Ellie for violence, right, And it's you know, again,
(41:34):
the grown up decisions should have been, you know what,
these guys are fighting, let's go, let's go. We'll let
them kill each other off. This isn't worth it, you know.
I we have a future together, we have a child coming.
You have declared your love for me, and I have
loved you for so long. We should go.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
So speaking of that, people that know me and know
and follow me on shelf addiction, when we I hate
I hate the freaking pregnancy trope. I hate it. I
do not appreciate it in anything I understand why it's
there sometimes, but I find it very inconvenient and then
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also convenient plot, you know what I mean. It's like
it's an easy mode to do what you want, right
without much effort. Just make someone.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Pregnant, right, and it increases the stakes.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Right, but sometimes artificially to me, and not in a
way that they think it's going to. So I just
I don't know. I kind of hate the pregnancy trope.
I really do in general and books and movies. I
don't like it. So I'm really curious to see how
this will pan out. I almost want her to die
because of it. Yeah, I know that sounds mean, but
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I dude, I cannot stand, like, why can't people have
a happily ever after without having a baby? I just
I don't know. I hate it in my fiction, That's
what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
You know. I mean, that's fine because they do. There
are there are a lot of places in books and
times and you know that that do use it as
a you know plot, you know, jump and where other
things could have just as easily been put in there instead.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, so we'll see, we'll see what happens. So I'm like,
oh my gosh, now, we're gonna be constantly Are we
constantly gonna be talking about her being pregnant? Is that
gonna be the new thing now? Like her constantly vomiting
twenty four to seven every time she sees some dead bodies.
Is that we're doing now? Like, that's gonna get old, dude,
unless they do more time hopping, which they might. I
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don't know.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
I don't know. I don't think they're gonna do. I mean,
we've got what two more episodes? Is that?
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Right? Uh? Three more? I think three? Seven episodes? I
think let me just double check right quick, it's either
two or three? Yeah, three more, seven episodes total.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
So you know, we know that this next one will
be them going and looking for the fight. And again,
it's going to be really really hard to find a
specific person in a war zone without being caught yourself.
You know. It's not like they can go to the
front door and say, Hi, I'm looking for so and so.
(44:30):
Have you seen her? Yeah, they're not. It's it's not
gonna work out for them. So and they're going to
a place where they're retreating to, which means that this
is some kind of hardened position. They would not go
there if they did not think that it would give
them an advantage. So this isn't going to be a
(44:53):
place where they can just in theory, it should not
be a place that they're just going to be able
to wander into. And how to find Annie in that?
I mean, she's she's technically medical team, So the odds
are she would most likely be inside the fortifications because
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she'll be taking care of the wounded, right, not outside
fighting mm hmm, Because I mean, let's face it, you know,
medical personnel or hard to come by.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah, it's safe, save the medical people before anyone. Yeah,
those people.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, you know, there's you know, there's a certain hierarchy
of importance in a post apocalyptic world. Doctors and you know,
medical personnel of any kind are high on that list,
right up there with like engineers.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
So yeah, I mean I don't I don't see her
just being out wandering, you know, unattended and unprotected. You know,
if nothing else, she'll be with her group of friends.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
So do you think this will be the end of
that story arc this season? We'll have results by the
finale on this.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
I don't know. I'm gonna say yes, mostly because since
it is based on a video game. Each one has
its own storyline. So you know, the first first season,
you know, it's based on the first game where they
were trying to get Elie two, you know, so she
could save the world. And now this one is the
(46:32):
Revenge Tour. I don't and again because I don't watch,
I don't play the video games. You don't play the
video games. And I'm not sure if the third one
is even out yet officially it might be. You know,
I have no idea, but I'm going to assume that
they don't really carry on a storyline from game to game.
(46:55):
They'll have something similar, but you you have a new
goal and new task and new threat.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Well let's see. So I just did a little quick
Google search. There's Last of Us Part one, followed by
Last of Us Left Behind, and then Last of Us
Part two, even though Left Behind is chronologically set before
part one, so they at least have two parts in
chronological order. And then I guess you said there's gonna
(47:24):
be a third one.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Okay, so let's just see. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
I thought they were working on a new game. But again,
I'm not a gamer, so most of my gaming information
comes from my boyfriend who wanders through and just drops things.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah, I'm not sure. It says it's gonna be a
couple of years before that's so they're saying twenty six
or twenty seven release for Last of Us Part three.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, so that's why. Yeah, like I said, I thought
that there was another one coming, and I do know
because they're working with the people that are The storyline
has already been made for this for this upcoming video game.
It's just you know, the design of it takes longer.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
So that makes me wonder are they going to take
them forever to get the next season done? Because if
they're trying to pace themselves for this ending, unless they're
going to go off the rails and do their own thing,
you know, when they run out of source material.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Well, like I said, they are working with the people
that developed the game, and they're working closely with them.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
So maybe they know the end already, and.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
They know the end because when they develop the when
they're doing the video game, they have to have the
storyline to create the the code. Without without the storyline,
they don't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
So we know they like to just make some shit
up if they don't know the story.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Right, But I'm gonna say, and for the things that
I've heard, they do know how how this is all
going to end, or I should say possible ending. Since
it is a video game, they they usually give you
multiple ending outcomes.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Okay, So I am gonna assume that this particular story
arc will be resolved because that's probably the resolution for
the second game, right.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
That's that was my asim. And And like I said,
because uh, and I know this because while I don't game,
I live with a gamer. You know, all of the
he's he's one of those people that will go through
and play the game multiple times until he finds everything
in it has won every award and found every ending.
(49:46):
So so I am aware of the fact that these
video games will give multiple endings, so they'll pick one
for the resolution when they end this series. It may
not be and it make what we get, may not
even be one of the primary endings for the show.
It could be anything, but as long as it ends
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up somewhere near where it ends of the game. I
don't think the game, the gamers that watch the show,
I don't think will be unhappy.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Right hmm. Okay, Well, and you know everyone is gonna
kill us because I just realized you've been calling the
lady's name wrong. I just realized this. I didn't even
think about it until just now. So you've been calling
her Annie for the last fifty minutes. Guess what the
character's name is?
Speaker 2 (50:33):
I have no idea, Abby, See, I asked you.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
I know, and I'm like, I'm like, I guess. I
couldn't even think of the girl's name. I cannot be
the character's name. And now I'm sitting here because the
whole time, I'm like, that doesn't sound right, but I
don't know what it is. So I couldn't even say
anything because I didn't know what it was. So I'm like,
let me just look it up. Okay, So I'm googling everything.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
So everyone should know that ninety percent of the people
in my life are sweetye. Yeah, all right, because I've
known people for years and they told me their name
and I have forgotten it, and now it's too late
because I've known them for five years and now I like,
I William again. Yeah, so it's sweetye. And then when
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I have them in my phone, all right, I put
made up names for these people.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Oh god, wow, what I have a.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Friend who when they go she goes on vacation with me.
She's like, I know what my job is. It's the
she's it's to set the music list and remember everyone's
name for you when we meet people.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Right, literally, spring in your ear, that's that's Abbey. No.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
No, she won't even whisper. She's like, hey, her name
is Abby. Okay, thanks Abby. I won't even miss a beat.
I'm not even embarrassing. I call my children by the
wrong names, okay, and I named them like.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
I'm sure everyone here knows this about us already. We
always be messing up names. I'll try not to, but
sometimes it gets past me and I just have a
brain heart I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
So you know I'm on a good day. I remember
the main character's names, all right.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
That's the most important part, because to be fair, we
only saw her that time. We haven't seen her since
it's probably gonna be I don't know. We might see
her next week or maybe not even maybe not.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
I mean we might see her, but I if we have.
Since we have three episodes, I'm going to assume next
episode is going to be the search for Abby, and
then the episode after that is going to be the
destruction of Abby, and then the last episode is going
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to be I don't know, the morning of Dina and
the untriumphant return of uh Ellie. M hm, it could
even be Ellie because Dina has died, is not going
to go back.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Oh you know, you never know, You never know, and
you know, now I am wondering, you know, I originally
thought that someone would come after them, but now I'm
not sure. I don't think. Yeah, I can't. That just
seems so wild to me that Tommy would just be
like deuces, I guess you will not see you, But
(53:32):
I guess he's thinking about his own family, right, or.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
If he does. If they do show up, I'm gonna
say they're gonna show up in the final episode when
it's too late.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
What's done is done.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
What's done is done. And if they don't show up
and Dina dies, I have a feeling that Ellie will
not go back there because with Joel dead and Dina dead,
her main ties to that community are dead.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
And it's not that she doesn't have friendships and stuff elsewhere,
but those were her her people. Yeah, those were her people,
and I don't know that she could go back and
you know, look at what's his name and say, hey,
just so you know, yeah, Dina's died and she was
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pregnant and yeah oops.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
You know, well, if Dina dies, I could see and
if if both of these other groups are still standing
and there's no breakdown of that you know fight, I
could see her sitting around there trying to take out
one side or the other based on how Dina dies. Yeah,
(54:46):
who'se hand was in it? You know? Mm hm? So
I mean more revenge.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Right, and because this is the revenge tour, so I
guess we're just gonna have to see it could go
and this game hit or this show has really surprised
both of us on the direction it's taken. You and
I both knew that Joel was going to die. We
just I didn't think it was going to be so immediate.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
No, we neither of us did. You know. I was
all making a joke about it in the first episode,
but I was like, oh shit, yeah next.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Week, you know, And they haven't and they haven't done
any I mean, they've talked about Joel some, but there's
been no flashbacks or anything, so you know they're moving on.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Yeah, I guess there's technically still time for a flashback,
but I don't know. I mean, that guitar scene was
a perfect time for her to have a flashback, and
she didn't have one.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
And and again that was you know, that was a
Joel moment without Joel, you know. So I don't think
we're going to see any flashbacks with him or anything else,
because there's just there's no real purpose. The only the
only one that I can possibly think of is if
there is a confrontation one on one between Abby and
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Ellie and there's a flashback back to when he killed
her dad and why.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, or at the end, very very end of the
final episode, maybe you know, when Ellie is like thinking
of all the things that happen in retrospect, thinking about
the people she's lost, maybe then yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
Then yeah, and maybe she might even realize the air
of her ways, which was you know, in this situation,
continue staying the course was not And I'm gonna firmly
believe that staying the course is not the correct choice
of action.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Right, I agree that is not the correct choice. And
there will be something to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah, there there will be consequences to pay.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Mm hmm. Well, you have to. I guess one of
these times, we're gonna hear everybody boohooing and crying like
in the second episode.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah, and I don't know that Dina for sure. We
don't know that Dina is gonna die.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
Does make TV sense, it does, and I just do
not want to see another season of her in some
little infant. I swear if they do let Dina live
and she somehow gives birth to said baby, If that happens,
I am confident they're gonna time jump us ahead again
(57:34):
because there's no way they are not gonna make us
sit through that.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, and I would agree with that.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, mm, well we shall see. It's so hard to guess,
you know, it's really hard, but I have fun doing
it anyway. I like because we're kind of right and
kind of wrong.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
And then again, if we if we play the video games,
we'll probably have way more idea. But you know, but
then that would take away the mystery.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Yeah, it's like hypothesize what we think is going to
happen and guess our way through it. I think, as
a little something something, I think I got hit all
my major points. What about you?
Speaker 2 (58:10):
Oh? I think so?
Speaker 1 (58:10):
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Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
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