April 11, 2025 • 32 mins
The directors of the Disney Plus documentary "Not Just A Goof" join Justin Greenberg to discuss the making of their fantastic film!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This production is brought to you by the Recess Bell.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm here talking with Eric Kimmelton and Chris Ninnis, the
directors of the fantastic documentary Not Just a goof Over
on Disney Plus, which covers the making of one of
my all time favorite movies, A Goofy Movie.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Gentlemen, how's it going great?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Thanks for having us on.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm so excited. You know.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I watched the documentary the other night and I was like,
I'm going to reach out to these guys. They seem
like people that I would love to have on this program.
So lo and behold. I reached out and now we're
here doing it. But before we get to the documentary,
I kind of want to find out a little bit
about you guys. So I'm gonna do like a quick,
rapid fire question thing and whatever comes to your mind,
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just throw it out there.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
So, if you could see.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
One band or artist, dead or alive, who would it
be in concert? Who are you seeing?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'll start with you Eric, Oh man, that's so hard.
Split between two. I would say all of the Beatles, uh,
but alive, I would say, I'd want to see Outcast
performed together.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Great answer? Have you seen any of the Beatles perform, so.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You better do it.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I know, I don't want to brag, but I wouldn't.
Saw Paul McCartney at Dodger Stadium a few years ago
and at the end of the show he brought out RINGO.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
He blew my mind. So but that's not my answer,
I was gonna say, Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Another great answer, Another great answer. All right, how about
this one last meal? You're out there, they say you
can have one meal before you go. What do you
What are you gonna choose?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Betigi, My name is Fetcini.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Perfect answer, Eric, What do you.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Got my mom's meat loaf?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Meat loaf?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's wild? Eric.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
And then final question. You guys are are relatively close
to my age. I'm thirty six years old, so I'm
assuming we grew up with some of the same things.
What is I don't know if you played video games
when you were younger, but is there a video game
that you think is your all time favorite? You know,
it could be something that's modern, but you know, if
we go back nostalgia, if you want to pick something
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from the eighties or nineties, by all means.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I mean Golden Eye, and sixty four is like between
that and smash Bros. Like hours and hours and hours
put into that.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's that's so hard. I like, I'll go different consoles.
I'll go Mega Man.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
The first, Mega Man Yes, really over.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Too, Mega Man two?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Sorry, yeah yeah, Mega Man two, Resident Evil, and uh.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Sonic Sonic can't go wrong with Sonic. All right, guys,
that's the interview, so long.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
That was great.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
All right, So let's.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Talk about this documentary not just a goof it covers.
Like I mentioned, the making of one of my all
time favorite movies, a Goofy movie. What drew you guys
to make this documentary?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Eric?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I know a relative of yours worked on the movie
as the director. And how did you and Chris you know,
link up? And you know what was the genesis of
this documentary?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Will If we want to go all the way back,
it's about you know, fifteen years ago, Chris and I
were working for Kevin Lima, the director of a Goofy movie,
on a different project. I was like a production assistant.
Chris was an intern. That's how we met, and the
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first thing we bonded over was a Goofy movie because
there was a big poster in Kevin's office. I think
it was like the Japanese version, and Chris is like,
what is that? He didn't he did not He didn't
realize that Kevin and It had directed it. But when
he found out, it was like kind of kind of
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shook by it. But that's how we bonded. And then
you know, ten years later, COVID happens, and then we're like,
Disney Plus released a documentary about Frozen two came out
and we were like, well, what you know, we wish
this there was something about our favorite animated movie, and
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why don't we make it? And that's what we set
out to do.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Was the plan always to have it associated with Disney Plus?
Or was this ever going to be like released independently
or did you need the blessing of Disney Plus to
sort of make this documentary?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
So when we went to Kevin, we pitched him the idea. First,
We said, you know, I think there's a really great
story in here that we could tell. And Kevin said,
we have two options. You could we could go to
Disney and try to pitch it to them, or you
guys could just make it on your own and see
what happens. And our fear was if we take it
to Disney, they might go, you know, that's a pretty
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good idea, Maybe we should just do that. Why would
we need these two random guys, you know, with who've
never made a feature film before, and so we were like,
the safer bet for us is to make it ourselves
and let's just put it on YouTube. We had no
idea that Disney, plus that was like a dream scenario,
you know, but our initial instinct was, well, maybe this
will be a talking head documentary on YouTube. And to
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be fair, when we started the project, we didn't know
Kevin had all that footage. Like, we went into this
thinking they'll reminisce about their stories, maybe we'll do some animation,
and it'll be mostly about the fandom. But everything changed
when Kevin had all that footage and we realized, oh,
this is really a movie for the fandom. This isn't
really about the fandom anymore, although it is still a
little bit about that in the film.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, your uncle Kevin Eric has hundreds of hours of footage.
It looked like all on VHS tapes of the behind
the scenes of the making.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Of the project.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
That would just overwhelm me so much knowing I have
to go through that. I don't want to mess it
up the transferring. I had to digitally transfer all my
whole movies. I was worried, you know, if that was
going to be done correctly. How overwhelming was it going
through all this footage making sure it was done correctly,
and then you know, just the vast amount of it,
Like what do you choose to put in the documentary?
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There must have been so much good stuff on the
cutting floor.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, well, Chris had the task of like digitizing everything,
and you have to do that in real time yep,
by the way, So we it was watched all the
way through that time, and then we started going through
all the footage and there's literally like one hundred hours
of stuff to go through, and we watched every second
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and just made you know, notes of where cool things
were at, and we just started like piecing all these
really cool aspects and stories from all the footage that
we're seeing, and it it was kind of amazing that
you would talk to like Kevin and Brian Mental, the
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head of story, the editor, and all these people that
had like similar stories and then to find something on
the tapes that like directly, you know, coroborate what they
were saying and like there's a visual there. So like
a good example of that is we have a scene
in our film of Eye to Eye and there's like
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a live action reference shoot that they did, and they
all talked about it in their interviews. But then when
Chris and I found like the tape that said eye
to eye live action reference, like that was like the
holy grail and it did not disappoint when we watched it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
That was actually my favorite scene in the movie. I
wrote that question further down, but yeah, I mean that
that eye to eye sequence, seeing the choreography and then
it matches up, it was absolutely brilliant. And I'm curious,
you know, both of you guys, this is your first
you know movie that you guys directed. Was there pressure
or do you think the fact that you haven't done
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anything maybe made it? You know, there was less pressure
involved just because you were sort of rookies and you
didn't have any expectations in the sense.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
It was definitely a sense of pressure because we're fans
of a Goofy movie, so.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
We knew that.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
There was an expectation that if you say you're making
a making of a Goofy movie, there are certain things
people will want to see. There's automatically, you know, a
notion in people's minds of well, I want to see
Tevin Campbell in the booth and I want to see
Bill Farmer doing his iconic lines. So it's a mixture
of figuring out that balance of giving the fandom what
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we would all want to see, but then also I
think the real you know, in any anxiety or nervousness
we had, we wanted our film to stand on its
own as well. We wanted to give you an emotional
narrative that felt like you were getting a hug, you
were feeling some nostalgia, and you weren't feeling alone. You
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were feeling like, yeah, I love this thing so much,
and we wanted that to be a you know, it's
the feeling you get when you watch a Goofy movie,
really right, It's this emotional human story in a Goofy movie.
That's what resonates, and it was important to us to
tell an emotional human story about these filmmakers, these ragtag
filmmakers who were working on their first feature film. I
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think that was where we got nervous, was like trying
to figure out the balance of all of that.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Once again, we're talking with Chris Ninnis and Eric Kimmelton.
We're just talking about this fantastic documentary that these two
gentlemen made, not just a goof which you can watch
over on Disney Plus. If you're a fan of a
Goofy movie, if you're a fan of documentaries about making movies,
this is one of the absolute best. And I want
to go to you, Eric, about your uncle who directed
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the movie A Goofy Movie. When you were a kid
growing up with your uncle, did you realize what he
did for a profession?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So before A Goofy Movie, I hadn't really like realized
that he was like the top of a movie, like
the director. Like he he had been like a character
designer and like uh animator, and you know, he would
come visit and like he would draw like the characters
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from the movie from all the kids in my neighborhood
and that was really really cool. But it wasn't until
like I actually went to the premiere of A Goofy
movie and one day my mom came home and was like, Hey,
we're gonna go, you know, to your uncle's movie. Because
they did it in Florida. And that's where I grew
up where they had the premiere. It wasn't until I
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actually went there and like got to meet Bill Farmer,
the voice of Goofy and like some of the other
voice actors where I was like, oh wow, these are
like real people that make all this and it's not
just something that you watch and get entertained by. And
truly it was that evening of the premiere where I
was like, oh, like, I want to I want to
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do this. I want to be able to like create
and do all those things. And like after that it
was like I want to be like my uncle Kevin
and tried to follow in his footsteps.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Was there a moment for you, Chris that stood out
in your life when you realized I want to be
in show business, this is what I want to do.
Was there a movie you watched or just you know,
an event in your life that made you want to
follow with your profession.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Well, movies were always an escape for me since I
was a kid. But my parents bought me I think
it was for Christmas, the Lego Steven Spielberg movie making set.
I was six years old, and it came with editing
software and like a digital camera that would connect to
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your computer, and I would spend hours on that, just
making home movies as a kid. It's crazy to look
back on now, but that really set me on like
a path to becoming an editor and a filmmaker.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
And think about how easy it is today. These kids,
they have it so easy. They could, you know, just
pick up their phone. They got a camera with them.
You have to do the lego editing thing.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, well, it's great now because you have cameras in
your pocket, like really like great high def four K. Yeah,
it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I think there they are commercials.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I think there was a movie that was just officially
like fully filmed on an iPhone. It's wild the quality
of cameras that they have right now. Yeah, let's talk
about editing this film, because I edit a bunch of
audio here at the radio station.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I edit YouTube videos of my whole movie footage.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And you know, it's a it's a random YouTube video,
so I don't really overthink it too much. But you guys,
this is you know, a film that's gonna stand the
test of time, be out there as you know, documenting
this movie that generations and generations are gonna love. So
how many times do you watch this movie, like, from
start to finish? Is this something you watched hundreds and
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hundreds of times making sure oh the audio synced up? Oh,
because even going back to the Goofy movie in this documentary,
they talk about that that animation, that that dot, I
guess that ruined the movie. And you know, I'm assuming
you guys must have felt that way watching the film
making sure everything's perfect, the lighting's good, all that. So
how many times you think you watched it in? How
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many hours do you put into this project?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Is it uncountable? At this point, it's They're like, there
are a thousands of hours like working on it.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I mean, it's it's it's. It was always done before
and after work and on weekends. You know, Eric and
I have day jobs in the film industry, and so
it filled up all of our spare time. It's it's
impossible to know how many times we've watched our own movie,
or a Goofy movie for that matter. But yeah, it's it's, it's, it's.
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It feels like it was endless. But the process of
editing the film over and over again, when you have
people giving you notes and ideas and thoughts like Kevin
or Don Han. It only helps the movie. I think
the first cut of our film was just under two hours,
and now it's an hour twenty six. So we really
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did shave it down to the film the best version
of the film. I think that we could. But so
much of the so much of the filmmaking process was
relying on friends who were just as in love with
a goofy movie as we are, and I don't think
our film would have ever gotten done without them. You know,
our score, our composer Cameron Chambers, he did the whole score.
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It's like eighty something minutes of music, basically for free.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I mean, well, you mentioned the original cup being two hours,
and you have all this footage, the hundreds of hours
of you know, behind the scenes footage. Is there any
plan on releasing that footage? You know, some of it
maybe on YouTube? You know, that's what's unfortunate with today's
day and age. There's no physical media release, so you know,
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odds of an extended cut of this coming out probably slim.
But is there any chance that fans could see some
of this behind the scene footage, you know, raw and unedited?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Ask did you know? I would say? Have people ask
Disney because they cause, I mean, they essentially own it all,
and you know, I don't think we could just release
it on our own without their approval. But there are
full scenes, like Chris has a favorite scene that we
whittled down to like ten seconds in our film, but
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there was a whole like other song that was like
fully boarded and everything.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Chris, I thought so hard to get that in the movie.
It's like a four and a half minute song. There's
a little bit of it in the film. It's called
bad Bad Boy. Yeah, but it's crazy. There's a there's
a where there's an alien xenomorph in it. Like it
is so mind blowing, and I thought so hard. In
every single person on our film was like, dude, this
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is long, Like you gotta like this is it's distracting,
It's doesn't tell our story. And they were right. But
I think Kevin at one point we showed it to
Kevin and he looked at us and he just said,
you know, we cut this for a reason, Chris, you
gotta get rid of it.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
We're talking with Eric Kimilton and Chris Nennis, who directed
the Fantastic Movie Not just a goof over on Disney. Plus,
if you're someone my age, or you know, if you
just grew up loving the history of Disney and the
making of movies, there's so many great movies about making movies.
A few years ago, I watched one about RoboCop. It
was called robodoc and it's like really hit depth. It's
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like four hours breaking down each scene and then that's
just part one of it, and then they're gonna do
the sequel. So I love these sort of behind the
scenes footage that you get to see years later. It's
very rare with animated stuff because you know, what are
you going to film? And I guess you know, somebody
had the right idea to actually film the behind the
scenes of this animated movie. There had to have been
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some funny stuff that you left out, like you know,
whether it's curses or mess ups or outtakes that you
guys definitely have some good stuff that's hidden.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Oh yeah, there's we have a little bit of it
in our documentary. There's like this little hand puppet goofy
or like this Goofy hat, and there's definitely you see
that pop up in just like normal meetings, like where
people are wearing this like Goofy hat and they're going
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a little delusional because they're all working like twelve hours
a day, seven days a week, and you just see
these like little pranky type type things.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
There's also a great moment with Bill Farmer that didn't
make our film because of licensing. But he sings you know,
if you remember in a Goofy movie, he's singing to
the radio and Max keeps changing it to like the
rock and.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Roll yeah, the high hopes.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah. So he actually sang that all the way through
in the Goofy place, and we had footage of it
and it was in the movie for a while, but
then the costs of the licensing the song, it just
kind of made it impossible.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
But Disney paid for that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
How was Disney to work with because I mean, you
guys got into it as far as you know some
of the behind the scenes drama with Jeffrey Katzenberg. Was
there anything that they pushed back like, you know, don't
talk about this or were they pretty easy to work with?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I mean, they've been great to work with, and that's
dead honest. Like, we we have received zero creative notes
on our film from from Disney. The only stuff, the
only things that we had to really deal with, like notewise,
were like more legal things like you know, the cap
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of something. But there wasn't a like you have to
take this out. You talking about Jeffrey is like a
no go. We were we were worried about that when
we went to them, but they never said anything about it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I had to google how tall is Jeffrey Katzenberg after
cause you guys made them pretty tiny. You animated a
lot of the scenes, so I was curious what a
size was. But that was another great added element, you know,
for your story that you told you know, maybe some
things weren't documented, so you created animation, which was great.
Who did you get to animate that stuff?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
It was a studio in Colombia called Venturia Animation, and
we we were looking around. We always knew we wanted
animation in our film, and we were looking around to
see who would be the best fit to work with us.
They not only loved Disney and they totally got what
we wanted to do immediately, but they're the ones who
came up with the idea of setting it in the
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dog verse, like the Goofy universe. And as soon as
we heard that, our brains exploded and we were like,
oh my god, that's such a genius. Of course they
should look like the goofy movie characters. And you know,
it was actually funny about the Jeffrey Katzenberg character we had.
We were just showing a very early cut of our documentary.
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There was no animation in it yet. To Kevin and
his wife Brenda Chapman, who directed Brave and Prince of Egypt,
she actually hasn't an oscar. She's a total badass. Anyways,
she we were we were showing them the early cut
of the film, and the character lineup from the animation
studio came in, and Katzenberg was as tall as everybody else,
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and she was the one that said, you know, you
gotta make him and did anyone down a little bit?
And she goes shorter, got shorter, and she pulled out
this wonderful book from her time at Walter's the animation
where all the animators were drawing charricatures of Jeffrey Katzenberg
that small, and so it felt like a really honest
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if both like within the behind the scenes limit but
also like what animators were doing with Jeffrey Kassilberg back
in that time at the nineties, during the Renaissance. So
it just felt like a very accurate, honest way to
kind of hooke fun at to be honest, a very
complicated character. He's both an antagonist and a hero of
a goofy movie.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, he's one of the champions from what you find out,
the guy who was really pushing for the project. But
you know, Disney has talked about him in previous documentaries.
But yeah, it was interesting that you guys cover that topic.
But it had to be covered because he got let
go while this movie was about to be released. So
interesting stuff there. One of my favorite scenes. And I
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love animation. I'm a big animation buff, especially two D animation,
and unfortunately we're not really getting that this day and age.
At least you know Theatrically, you got to see some
footage of Frank Welker, who I think is probably right
behind mel Blanc as the greatest voice actor of all time.
I would pay money just to watch him make those
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sounds as Bigfoot, unbelievable stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
There's a whole tape that there's a whole tape of
like Frank in the booth. Yeah, just do it, like
doing take after take of like all those bigfoot sounds,
and like it's like what we have in our film.
It's like, how is that even humanly possible that he's
doing that.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It's I watched the documentary on the making of the
Ghostbusters show because he was on the real Ghostbusters and
he did a character that he was like, I have
twelve voices with this character all at once, and he's
just doing it all at the same time, so he
like is not human.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I don't think he's human.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And his voice is like still to this day amazing
and he's, you know, almost eighty years old at this point.
It's fantastic. Do you guys have a favorite scene from
the movie? I mentioned my eye to eye sequence, how
I loved that choreography and it matched up and you
guys edited that so brilliantly.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Is there one standout moment?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh, Chris, you get pretty you know, personal with your
story in the in this documentary. Is that one that
stands out? Is your favorite scene in the documentary?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
You know what, that's the hardest scene for me to
watch in the whole film. It makes me incredibly uncomfortable.
I it was I wasn't even actually in the film.
Originally it was Kevin's idea. He said, you know, I
think you need to really consider putting yourselves into the film,
because he knew my story and my connection, and so
that is a Kevin Lima note putting myself in the film.
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But but for me, my favorite, my favorite part of
the movie is probably from right after my story to
the end, where you really see these filmmakers understand, like
reflecting on their journey. That to me is just it
feels so emotional and so and so heartwarming. It really
like helps me just believe in the in the power
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of just determination and and will and hope. That or
the high Dad soup scene in the documentary is one
of my favorites. It feels like a masterclass, like you're
watching Kevin just really open himself up and put himself
into the animation, which is great.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Eric, did you have a favorite scene in the film,
not just a goof over on Disney Plus which these
two gentlemen directing. What's your favorite scene in this movie?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Eric, Yeah, I would actually say the high Dad soup
scene because it's like, you don't I don't think we've
really seen like a lot of animation directing, like like
a breakdown a scene like that, So so I find
that very interesting. It's like one of the most pivotal
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scenes in a Goofy movie where you know, Max and
Goofy are really connecting for the first time in the film,
and we we learn Kevin had some fun other issues
growing up and you could see him working through that
in that scene in our film, which I think is
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you know, pretty powerful and.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
In the movie A Goofy movie is such a powerful movie.
My father passed away when I was thirteen years old,
and you know, watching this movie as I get older,
it becomes emotional for sure, even though even before my
father passed away, it is definitely an emotional scene.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I've talked to a lot of people that grew up.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
In single parent households basically talking about how that movie
helped them help them heal a bit and help them
sort of get together with with, you know, maybe a
past relationship that wasn't working out. It's a powerful movie,
and your Guys documentary really does a great job of,
you know, portraying that and telling how important this movie
is to so many people.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Is is.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Have you talked to anyone at Disney about this property,
the Goofy property, because I feel like this is something
that so many people would love to see a continuation
of this story.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Uh would do you think there's any plans or or
was there.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Anything that you guys would want to do with these
characters because they're so interesting. They made the sequel, which
you guys didn't cover, but because I'm guessing you know,
Kevin didn't direct it, so there was there was nothing,
not as much of a story. There probably not as
much behind the scenes footage. Is there something that you
would want to be done with this franchise? And you
think it ever will happen?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
One thousand percent. We would love for something to happen.
I think there's a lot of interest from the people
who you know, like I think Bill and Jason would
totally come back and do more. And I think, you know,
we tease something in the post credits of our documentary.
I don't know if you were if you stayed through
the credit I didn't.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
There's a post credits, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Pull the marvel On a documentary, Evan talks about how
he has been thinking a lot about doing a power
Line documentary that'd be amazing and that to me, like, yes,
like a thousand percent, Like, let Kevin make a power
line documentary. That's what I would love to see, honestly.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, like a VH one Behind the Music sort.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Of thing animated, too D animated, and.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
That'd be fantastic. I love two D animation. As I mentioned,
why do you think studios have gone away from that?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Is it? Do you think kids think it looks too
old fashioned? Is it a cost issue?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Because I mean I saw the new Looney Tunes movie
in theaters a few weeks ago, and I thought it
was fantastic. Nobody went to go see it, though, That's
that's an issue.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I think part of it is cost. It is really expensive,
especially like hand drawn animation, because yeah, filming our documentary,
like we saw Kevin like just doing little doodles of
like Goofy and doing it, you know, frame by frame
on sheets of paper and then you flip through and
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see it. It's like there's a lot of people that
go into like hand crafting that, and I'm sure that's
why Jeffrey Katzenberg was like, looking, is there a cheaper
way to do that? And that's how like a Goofy
movie happened. So I think costs is a is a
big barrier. And if even the two D animated shows
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you see now like the animation isn't as fluid, it's
like more blocky and like there's not as many like keyframes.
So yeah, I would say costs is a big one.
And then tastes change, you know, generation to generation. It
seems like a lot of the animation now kind of
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is looking like this, you know, into the Spider Verse
like that sort of you know feel.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, they just released a trailer for a new Predator
movie over on Hulu and it's that same style and
it's cool, but you know, I would have, you know,
preferred actually a live action version. I would hate for
them to make a live action Goofy movie. I hope
that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I don't know if you saw they did on the
thirtieth anniversary, the same day our doc came out on Monday,
they released like a little clip of Bill and Jason. Yeah,
I saw that the live action version, you know, kind
of it was kind of like a carpool karaoke a
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little bit, but with real life Goofy and Max.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, they were saying an eye to eye. It was
it was fantastic. Now, you guys, you know, as I mentioned,
this is your first documentary. Is there a movie or
a subject matter that you would want to cover next
or do you guys have anything planned moving forward?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
We're always looking for the next story. We have a
story that we're just gearing up to start to work on.
It's very different, but it's going to be a documentary
shot in northern Uganda, Africa. Totally different kinds of very different.
But there are other there are other, you know, stories
that I think are worth telling. We love, we love
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other opportunities to maybe dive back into other Disney properties,
any anything, and everything's on the table, I suppose, but
you know, there was we talked about, you know, maybe
possibly something with Hook, which which is another favorite. So
who knows, anything's possible.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, that Hook is again if you're my age, that's
just one of those quintessential early nineties movies. And honestly,
I didn't realize that it wasn't loved by the critics
because you go on the row Tomato score, it was
like panned, pun intended.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't even think. Steven Spielberg
talks not much about the film. I think either just
kind of move on from it. But I love Hook.
I mean, it's just like it's one of those films
that I grew up with and Robin Williams and Dustin
Hoffman can do no wrong. I think Dessint Hoffman is
like the best Captain Hook ever. And of course, who
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didn't want to be Rufio? I mean, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I heard a rumor, I don't know if this is true,
that Michael Jackson wanted to be Peter Pan and then
Steven Spielberg told him no and then he bought like
voodoo dolls and put a curse on him.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
If you guys have never heard that.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I heard that. That's pretty funny though.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, look that up. Yeah, it's funny stuff. So what
are you guys doing with this documentary? Are you are
you taking it on the road? Is there is there
anything else planned for this or is it just you know,
watch it on Disney Plus.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well right now it's on Disney Plus in the US,
and so we're trying to get it out there internationally.
But I I've I think there's gonna be multiple celebrations
this year for a Goofy movie, and hopefully we can,
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we can tie in with that a little bit. But yeah,
we're just happy to celebrate a Goofy movie thirty years later.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And you guys do a fantastic job with the documentary,
not just a goof gentlemen. Thank you so much for
your time. Is there anything else you want to plug?
You guys are both on social media. I guess you
guys got the Twitter and Instagram you want to throw
out there.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, for the film, it's at Goofy doc Film and
are my personal for me is at Chris Ninnies and.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
And for me is make Believe Eric Excellent.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Gentlemen, thank you so much for your time. I really
really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Thank thank you.
This production is brought to you by the Recess Bell.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm here talking with Eric Kimmelton and Chris Ninnis, the
directors of the fantastic documentary Not Just a goof Over
on Disney Plus, which covers the making of one of
my all time favorite movies, A Goofy Movie.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Gentlemen, how's it going great?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Thanks for having us on.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm so excited. You know.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I watched the documentary the other night and I was like,
I'm going to reach out to these guys. They seem
like people that I would love to have on this program.
So lo and behold. I reached out and now we're
here doing it. But before we get to the documentary,
I kind of want to find out a little bit
about you guys. So I'm gonna do like a quick,
rapid fire question thing and whatever comes to your mind,
(00:45):
just throw it out there.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
So, if you could see.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
One band or artist, dead or alive, who would it
be in concert? Who are you seeing?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'll start with you Eric, Oh man, that's so hard.
Split between two. I would say all of the Beatles, uh,
but alive, I would say, I'd want to see Outcast
performed together.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Great answer? Have you seen any of the Beatles perform, so.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You better do it.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I know, I don't want to brag, but I wouldn't.
Saw Paul McCartney at Dodger Stadium a few years ago
and at the end of the show he brought out RINGO.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
He blew my mind. So but that's not my answer,
I was gonna say, Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Another great answer, Another great answer. All right, how about
this one last meal? You're out there, they say you
can have one meal before you go. What do you
What are you gonna choose?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Betigi, My name is Fetcini.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Perfect answer, Eric, What do you.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Got my mom's meat loaf?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Meat loaf?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's wild? Eric.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
And then final question. You guys are are relatively close
to my age. I'm thirty six years old, so I'm
assuming we grew up with some of the same things.
What is I don't know if you played video games
when you were younger, but is there a video game
that you think is your all time favorite? You know,
it could be something that's modern, but you know, if
we go back nostalgia, if you want to pick something
(02:15):
from the eighties or nineties, by all means.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I mean Golden Eye, and sixty four is like between
that and smash Bros. Like hours and hours and hours
put into that.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's that's so hard. I like, I'll go different consoles.
I'll go Mega Man.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
The first, Mega Man Yes, really over.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Too, Mega Man two?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Sorry, yeah yeah, Mega Man two, Resident Evil, and uh.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Sonic Sonic can't go wrong with Sonic. All right, guys,
that's the interview, so long.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
That was great.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
All right, So let's.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Talk about this documentary not just a goof it covers.
Like I mentioned, the making of one of my all
time favorite movies, a Goofy movie. What drew you guys
to make this documentary?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Eric?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I know a relative of yours worked on the movie
as the director. And how did you and Chris you know,
link up? And you know what was the genesis of
this documentary?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Will If we want to go all the way back,
it's about you know, fifteen years ago, Chris and I
were working for Kevin Lima, the director of a Goofy movie,
on a different project. I was like a production assistant.
Chris was an intern. That's how we met, and the
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first thing we bonded over was a Goofy movie because
there was a big poster in Kevin's office. I think
it was like the Japanese version, and Chris is like,
what is that? He didn't he did not He didn't
realize that Kevin and It had directed it. But when
he found out, it was like kind of kind of
(04:04):
shook by it. But that's how we bonded. And then
you know, ten years later, COVID happens, and then we're like,
Disney Plus released a documentary about Frozen two came out
and we were like, well, what you know, we wish
this there was something about our favorite animated movie, and
(04:29):
why don't we make it? And that's what we set
out to do.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Was the plan always to have it associated with Disney Plus?
Or was this ever going to be like released independently
or did you need the blessing of Disney Plus to
sort of make this documentary?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
So when we went to Kevin, we pitched him the idea. First,
We said, you know, I think there's a really great
story in here that we could tell. And Kevin said,
we have two options. You could we could go to
Disney and try to pitch it to them, or you
guys could just make it on your own and see
what happens. And our fear was if we take it
to Disney, they might go, you know, that's a pretty
(05:07):
good idea, Maybe we should just do that. Why would
we need these two random guys, you know, with who've
never made a feature film before, and so we were like,
the safer bet for us is to make it ourselves
and let's just put it on YouTube. We had no
idea that Disney, plus that was like a dream scenario,
you know, but our initial instinct was, well, maybe this
will be a talking head documentary on YouTube. And to
(05:30):
be fair, when we started the project, we didn't know
Kevin had all that footage. Like, we went into this
thinking they'll reminisce about their stories, maybe we'll do some animation,
and it'll be mostly about the fandom. But everything changed
when Kevin had all that footage and we realized, oh,
this is really a movie for the fandom. This isn't
really about the fandom anymore, although it is still a
little bit about that in the film.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, your uncle Kevin Eric has hundreds of hours of footage.
It looked like all on VHS tapes of the behind
the scenes of the making.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Of the project.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
That would just overwhelm me so much knowing I have
to go through that. I don't want to mess it
up the transferring. I had to digitally transfer all my
whole movies. I was worried, you know, if that was
going to be done correctly. How overwhelming was it going
through all this footage making sure it was done correctly,
and then you know, just the vast amount of it,
Like what do you choose to put in the documentary?
(06:23):
There must have been so much good stuff on the
cutting floor.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, well, Chris had the task of like digitizing everything,
and you have to do that in real time yep,
by the way, So we it was watched all the
way through that time, and then we started going through
all the footage and there's literally like one hundred hours
of stuff to go through, and we watched every second
(06:47):
and just made you know, notes of where cool things
were at, and we just started like piecing all these
really cool aspects and stories from all the footage that
we're seeing, and it it was kind of amazing that
you would talk to like Kevin and Brian Mental, the
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head of story, the editor, and all these people that
had like similar stories and then to find something on
the tapes that like directly, you know, coroborate what they
were saying and like there's a visual there. So like
a good example of that is we have a scene
in our film of Eye to Eye and there's like
(07:30):
a live action reference shoot that they did, and they
all talked about it in their interviews. But then when
Chris and I found like the tape that said eye
to eye live action reference, like that was like the
holy grail and it did not disappoint when we watched it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
That was actually my favorite scene in the movie. I
wrote that question further down, but yeah, I mean that
that eye to eye sequence, seeing the choreography and then
it matches up, it was absolutely brilliant. And I'm curious,
you know, both of you guys, this is your first
you know movie that you guys directed. Was there pressure
or do you think the fact that you haven't done
(08:10):
anything maybe made it? You know, there was less pressure
involved just because you were sort of rookies and you
didn't have any expectations in the sense.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
It was definitely a sense of pressure because we're fans
of a Goofy movie, so.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
We knew that.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
There was an expectation that if you say you're making
a making of a Goofy movie, there are certain things
people will want to see. There's automatically, you know, a
notion in people's minds of well, I want to see
Tevin Campbell in the booth and I want to see
Bill Farmer doing his iconic lines. So it's a mixture
of figuring out that balance of giving the fandom what
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we would all want to see, but then also I
think the real you know, in any anxiety or nervousness
we had, we wanted our film to stand on its
own as well. We wanted to give you an emotional
narrative that felt like you were getting a hug, you
were feeling some nostalgia, and you weren't feeling alone. You
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were feeling like, yeah, I love this thing so much,
and we wanted that to be a you know, it's
the feeling you get when you watch a Goofy movie,
really right, It's this emotional human story in a Goofy movie.
That's what resonates, and it was important to us to
tell an emotional human story about these filmmakers, these ragtag
filmmakers who were working on their first feature film. I
(09:28):
think that was where we got nervous, was like trying
to figure out the balance of all of that.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Once again, we're talking with Chris Ninnis and Eric Kimmelton.
We're just talking about this fantastic documentary that these two
gentlemen made, not just a goof which you can watch
over on Disney Plus. If you're a fan of a
Goofy movie, if you're a fan of documentaries about making movies,
this is one of the absolute best. And I want
to go to you, Eric, about your uncle who directed
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the movie A Goofy Movie. When you were a kid
growing up with your uncle, did you realize what he
did for a profession?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So before A Goofy Movie, I hadn't really like realized
that he was like the top of a movie, like
the director. Like he he had been like a character
designer and like uh animator, and you know, he would
come visit and like he would draw like the characters
(10:25):
from the movie from all the kids in my neighborhood
and that was really really cool. But it wasn't until
like I actually went to the premiere of A Goofy
movie and one day my mom came home and was like, Hey,
we're gonna go, you know, to your uncle's movie. Because
they did it in Florida. And that's where I grew
up where they had the premiere. It wasn't until I
(10:46):
actually went there and like got to meet Bill Farmer,
the voice of Goofy and like some of the other
voice actors where I was like, oh wow, these are
like real people that make all this and it's not
just something that you watch and get entertained by. And
truly it was that evening of the premiere where I
was like, oh, like, I want to I want to
(11:09):
do this. I want to be able to like create
and do all those things. And like after that it
was like I want to be like my uncle Kevin
and tried to follow in his footsteps.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Was there a moment for you, Chris that stood out
in your life when you realized I want to be
in show business, this is what I want to do.
Was there a movie you watched or just you know,
an event in your life that made you want to
follow with your profession.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Well, movies were always an escape for me since I
was a kid. But my parents bought me I think
it was for Christmas, the Lego Steven Spielberg movie making set.
I was six years old, and it came with editing
software and like a digital camera that would connect to
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your computer, and I would spend hours on that, just
making home movies as a kid. It's crazy to look
back on now, but that really set me on like
a path to becoming an editor and a filmmaker.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
And think about how easy it is today. These kids,
they have it so easy. They could, you know, just
pick up their phone. They got a camera with them.
You have to do the lego editing thing.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, well, it's great now because you have cameras in
your pocket, like really like great high def four K. Yeah,
it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I think there they are commercials.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I think there was a movie that was just officially
like fully filmed on an iPhone. It's wild the quality
of cameras that they have right now. Yeah, let's talk
about editing this film, because I edit a bunch of
audio here at the radio station.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I edit YouTube videos of my whole movie footage.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And you know, it's a it's a random YouTube video,
so I don't really overthink it too much. But you guys,
this is you know, a film that's gonna stand the
test of time, be out there as you know, documenting
this movie that generations and generations are gonna love. So
how many times do you watch this movie, like, from
start to finish? Is this something you watched hundreds and
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hundreds of times making sure oh the audio synced up? Oh,
because even going back to the Goofy movie in this documentary,
they talk about that that animation, that that dot, I
guess that ruined the movie. And you know, I'm assuming
you guys must have felt that way watching the film
making sure everything's perfect, the lighting's good, all that. So
how many times you think you watched it in? How
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many hours do you put into this project?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Is it uncountable? At this point, it's They're like, there
are a thousands of hours like working on it.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I mean, it's it's it's. It was always done before
and after work and on weekends. You know, Eric and
I have day jobs in the film industry, and so
it filled up all of our spare time. It's it's
impossible to know how many times we've watched our own movie,
or a Goofy movie for that matter. But yeah, it's it's, it's, it's.
(13:59):
It feels like it was endless. But the process of
editing the film over and over again, when you have
people giving you notes and ideas and thoughts like Kevin
or Don Han. It only helps the movie. I think
the first cut of our film was just under two hours,
and now it's an hour twenty six. So we really
(14:20):
did shave it down to the film the best version
of the film. I think that we could. But so
much of the so much of the filmmaking process was
relying on friends who were just as in love with
a goofy movie as we are, and I don't think
our film would have ever gotten done without them. You know,
our score, our composer Cameron Chambers, he did the whole score.
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It's like eighty something minutes of music, basically for free.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I mean, well, you mentioned the original cup being two hours,
and you have all this footage, the hundreds of hours
of you know, behind the scenes footage. Is there any
plan on releasing that footage? You know, some of it
maybe on YouTube? You know, that's what's unfortunate with today's
day and age. There's no physical media release, so you know,
(15:08):
odds of an extended cut of this coming out probably slim.
But is there any chance that fans could see some
of this behind the scene footage, you know, raw and unedited?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Ask did you know? I would say? Have people ask
Disney because they cause, I mean, they essentially own it all,
and you know, I don't think we could just release
it on our own without their approval. But there are
full scenes, like Chris has a favorite scene that we
whittled down to like ten seconds in our film, but
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there was a whole like other song that was like
fully boarded and everything.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Chris, I thought so hard to get that in the movie.
It's like a four and a half minute song. There's
a little bit of it in the film. It's called
bad Bad Boy. Yeah, but it's crazy. There's a there's
a where there's an alien xenomorph in it. Like it
is so mind blowing, and I thought so hard. In
every single person on our film was like, dude, this
(16:09):
is long, Like you gotta like this is it's distracting,
It's doesn't tell our story. And they were right. But
I think Kevin at one point we showed it to
Kevin and he looked at us and he just said,
you know, we cut this for a reason, Chris, you
gotta get rid of it.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
We're talking with Eric Kimilton and Chris Nennis, who directed
the Fantastic Movie Not just a goof over on Disney. Plus,
if you're someone my age, or you know, if you
just grew up loving the history of Disney and the
making of movies, there's so many great movies about making movies.
A few years ago, I watched one about RoboCop. It
was called robodoc and it's like really hit depth. It's
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like four hours breaking down each scene and then that's
just part one of it, and then they're gonna do
the sequel. So I love these sort of behind the
scenes footage that you get to see years later. It's
very rare with animated stuff because you know, what are
you going to film? And I guess you know, somebody
had the right idea to actually film the behind the
scenes of this animated movie. There had to have been
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some funny stuff that you left out, like you know,
whether it's curses or mess ups or outtakes that you
guys definitely have some good stuff that's hidden.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Oh yeah, there's we have a little bit of it
in our documentary. There's like this little hand puppet goofy
or like this Goofy hat, and there's definitely you see
that pop up in just like normal meetings, like where
people are wearing this like Goofy hat and they're going
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a little delusional because they're all working like twelve hours
a day, seven days a week, and you just see
these like little pranky type type things.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
There's also a great moment with Bill Farmer that didn't
make our film because of licensing. But he sings you know,
if you remember in a Goofy movie, he's singing to
the radio and Max keeps changing it to like the
rock and.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Roll yeah, the high hopes.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah. So he actually sang that all the way through
in the Goofy place, and we had footage of it
and it was in the movie for a while, but
then the costs of the licensing the song, it just
kind of made it impossible.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
But Disney paid for that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
How was Disney to work with because I mean, you
guys got into it as far as you know some
of the behind the scenes drama with Jeffrey Katzenberg. Was
there anything that they pushed back like, you know, don't
talk about this or were they pretty easy to work with?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I mean, they've been great to work with, and that's
dead honest. Like, we we have received zero creative notes
on our film from from Disney. The only stuff, the
only things that we had to really deal with, like notewise,
were like more legal things like you know, the cap
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of something. But there wasn't a like you have to
take this out. You talking about Jeffrey is like a
no go. We were we were worried about that when
we went to them, but they never said anything about it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I had to google how tall is Jeffrey Katzenberg after
cause you guys made them pretty tiny. You animated a
lot of the scenes, so I was curious what a
size was. But that was another great added element, you know,
for your story that you told you know, maybe some
things weren't documented, so you created animation, which was great.
Who did you get to animate that stuff?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
It was a studio in Colombia called Venturia Animation, and
we we were looking around. We always knew we wanted
animation in our film, and we were looking around to
see who would be the best fit to work with us.
They not only loved Disney and they totally got what
we wanted to do immediately, but they're the ones who
came up with the idea of setting it in the
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dog verse, like the Goofy universe. And as soon as
we heard that, our brains exploded and we were like,
oh my god, that's such a genius. Of course they
should look like the goofy movie characters. And you know,
it was actually funny about the Jeffrey Katzenberg character we had.
We were just showing a very early cut of our documentary.
(20:16):
There was no animation in it yet. To Kevin and
his wife Brenda Chapman, who directed Brave and Prince of Egypt,
she actually hasn't an oscar. She's a total badass. Anyways,
she we were we were showing them the early cut
of the film, and the character lineup from the animation
studio came in, and Katzenberg was as tall as everybody else,
(20:39):
and she was the one that said, you know, you
gotta make him and did anyone down a little bit?
And she goes shorter, got shorter, and she pulled out
this wonderful book from her time at Walter's the animation
where all the animators were drawing charricatures of Jeffrey Katzenberg
that small, and so it felt like a really honest
(20:59):
if both like within the behind the scenes limit but
also like what animators were doing with Jeffrey Kassilberg back
in that time at the nineties, during the Renaissance. So
it just felt like a very accurate, honest way to
kind of hooke fun at to be honest, a very
complicated character. He's both an antagonist and a hero of
a goofy movie.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, he's one of the champions from what you find out,
the guy who was really pushing for the project. But
you know, Disney has talked about him in previous documentaries.
But yeah, it was interesting that you guys cover that topic.
But it had to be covered because he got let
go while this movie was about to be released. So
interesting stuff there. One of my favorite scenes. And I
(21:40):
love animation. I'm a big animation buff, especially two D animation,
and unfortunately we're not really getting that this day and age.
At least you know Theatrically, you got to see some
footage of Frank Welker, who I think is probably right
behind mel Blanc as the greatest voice actor of all time.
I would pay money just to watch him make those
(22:02):
sounds as Bigfoot, unbelievable stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
There's a whole tape that there's a whole tape of
like Frank in the booth. Yeah, just do it, like
doing take after take of like all those bigfoot sounds,
and like it's like what we have in our film.
It's like, how is that even humanly possible that he's
doing that.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It's I watched the documentary on the making of the
Ghostbusters show because he was on the real Ghostbusters and
he did a character that he was like, I have
twelve voices with this character all at once, and he's
just doing it all at the same time, so he
like is not human.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I don't think he's human.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And his voice is like still to this day amazing
and he's, you know, almost eighty years old at this point.
It's fantastic. Do you guys have a favorite scene from
the movie? I mentioned my eye to eye sequence, how
I loved that choreography and it matched up and you
guys edited that so brilliantly.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Is there one standout moment?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh, Chris, you get pretty you know, personal with your
story in the in this documentary. Is that one that
stands out? Is your favorite scene in the documentary?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
You know what, that's the hardest scene for me to
watch in the whole film. It makes me incredibly uncomfortable.
I it was I wasn't even actually in the film.
Originally it was Kevin's idea. He said, you know, I
think you need to really consider putting yourselves into the film,
because he knew my story and my connection, and so
that is a Kevin Lima note putting myself in the film.
(23:31):
But but for me, my favorite, my favorite part of
the movie is probably from right after my story to
the end, where you really see these filmmakers understand, like
reflecting on their journey. That to me is just it
feels so emotional and so and so heartwarming. It really
like helps me just believe in the in the power
(23:55):
of just determination and and will and hope. That or
the high Dad soup scene in the documentary is one
of my favorites. It feels like a masterclass, like you're
watching Kevin just really open himself up and put himself
into the animation, which is great.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Eric, did you have a favorite scene in the film,
not just a goof over on Disney Plus which these
two gentlemen directing. What's your favorite scene in this movie?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Eric, Yeah, I would actually say the high Dad soup
scene because it's like, you don't I don't think we've
really seen like a lot of animation directing, like like
a breakdown a scene like that, So so I find
that very interesting. It's like one of the most pivotal
(24:45):
scenes in a Goofy movie where you know, Max and
Goofy are really connecting for the first time in the film,
and we we learn Kevin had some fun other issues
growing up and you could see him working through that
in that scene in our film, which I think is
(25:07):
you know, pretty powerful and.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
In the movie A Goofy movie is such a powerful movie.
My father passed away when I was thirteen years old,
and you know, watching this movie as I get older,
it becomes emotional for sure, even though even before my
father passed away, it is definitely an emotional scene.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I've talked to a lot of people that grew up.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
In single parent households basically talking about how that movie
helped them help them heal a bit and help them
sort of get together with with, you know, maybe a
past relationship that wasn't working out. It's a powerful movie,
and your Guys documentary really does a great job of,
you know, portraying that and telling how important this movie
is to so many people.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Is is.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Have you talked to anyone at Disney about this property,
the Goofy property, because I feel like this is something
that so many people would love to see a continuation
of this story.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Uh would do you think there's any plans or or
was there.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Anything that you guys would want to do with these
characters because they're so interesting. They made the sequel, which
you guys didn't cover, but because I'm guessing you know,
Kevin didn't direct it, so there was there was nothing,
not as much of a story. There probably not as
much behind the scenes footage. Is there something that you
would want to be done with this franchise? And you
think it ever will happen?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
One thousand percent. We would love for something to happen.
I think there's a lot of interest from the people
who you know, like I think Bill and Jason would
totally come back and do more. And I think, you know,
we tease something in the post credits of our documentary.
I don't know if you were if you stayed through
the credit I didn't.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
There's a post credits, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Pull the marvel On a documentary, Evan talks about how
he has been thinking a lot about doing a power
Line documentary that'd be amazing and that to me, like, yes,
like a thousand percent, Like, let Kevin make a power
line documentary. That's what I would love to see, honestly.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, like a VH one Behind the Music sort.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Of thing animated, too D animated, and.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
That'd be fantastic. I love two D animation. As I mentioned,
why do you think studios have gone away from that?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Is it? Do you think kids think it looks too
old fashioned? Is it a cost issue?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Because I mean I saw the new Looney Tunes movie
in theaters a few weeks ago, and I thought it
was fantastic. Nobody went to go see it, though, That's
that's an issue.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I think part of it is cost. It is really expensive,
especially like hand drawn animation, because yeah, filming our documentary,
like we saw Kevin like just doing little doodles of
like Goofy and doing it, you know, frame by frame
on sheets of paper and then you flip through and
(27:56):
see it. It's like there's a lot of people that
go into like hand crafting that, and I'm sure that's
why Jeffrey Katzenberg was like, looking, is there a cheaper
way to do that? And that's how like a Goofy
movie happened. So I think costs is a is a
big barrier. And if even the two D animated shows
(28:17):
you see now like the animation isn't as fluid, it's
like more blocky and like there's not as many like keyframes.
So yeah, I would say costs is a big one.
And then tastes change, you know, generation to generation. It
seems like a lot of the animation now kind of
(28:41):
is looking like this, you know, into the Spider Verse
like that sort of you know feel.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, they just released a trailer for a new Predator
movie over on Hulu and it's that same style and
it's cool, but you know, I would have, you know,
preferred actually a live action version. I would hate for
them to make a live action Goofy movie. I hope
that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I don't know if you saw they did on the
thirtieth anniversary, the same day our doc came out on Monday,
they released like a little clip of Bill and Jason. Yeah,
I saw that the live action version, you know, kind
of it was kind of like a carpool karaoke a
(29:24):
little bit, but with real life Goofy and Max.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, they were saying an eye to eye. It was
it was fantastic. Now, you guys, you know, as I mentioned,
this is your first documentary. Is there a movie or
a subject matter that you would want to cover next
or do you guys have anything planned moving forward?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
We're always looking for the next story. We have a
story that we're just gearing up to start to work on.
It's very different, but it's going to be a documentary
shot in northern Uganda, Africa. Totally different kinds of very different.
But there are other there are other, you know, stories
that I think are worth telling. We love, we love
(30:03):
other opportunities to maybe dive back into other Disney properties,
any anything, and everything's on the table, I suppose, but
you know, there was we talked about, you know, maybe
possibly something with Hook, which which is another favorite. So
who knows, anything's possible.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, that Hook is again if you're my age, that's
just one of those quintessential early nineties movies. And honestly,
I didn't realize that it wasn't loved by the critics
because you go on the row Tomato score, it was
like panned, pun intended.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't even think. Steven Spielberg
talks not much about the film. I think either just
kind of move on from it. But I love Hook.
I mean, it's just like it's one of those films
that I grew up with and Robin Williams and Dustin
Hoffman can do no wrong. I think Dessint Hoffman is
like the best Captain Hook ever. And of course, who
(30:58):
didn't want to be Rufio? I mean, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I heard a rumor, I don't know if this is true,
that Michael Jackson wanted to be Peter Pan and then
Steven Spielberg told him no and then he bought like
voodoo dolls and put a curse on him.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
If you guys have never heard that.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I heard that. That's pretty funny though.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, look that up. Yeah, it's funny stuff. So what
are you guys doing with this documentary? Are you are
you taking it on the road? Is there is there
anything else planned for this or is it just you know,
watch it on Disney Plus.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well right now it's on Disney Plus in the US,
and so we're trying to get it out there internationally.
But I I've I think there's gonna be multiple celebrations
this year for a Goofy movie, and hopefully we can,
(31:53):
we can tie in with that a little bit. But yeah,
we're just happy to celebrate a Goofy movie thirty years later.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And you guys do a fantastic job with the documentary,
not just a goof gentlemen. Thank you so much for
your time. Is there anything else you want to plug?
You guys are both on social media. I guess you
guys got the Twitter and Instagram you want to throw
out there.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, for the film, it's at Goofy doc Film and
are my personal for me is at Chris Ninnies and.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
And for me is make Believe Eric Excellent.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Gentlemen, thank you so much for your time. I really
really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Thank thank you.
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