The Greatest Action Movie Of All Time

Jonathan returns to discuss our top 5 favorite action movies of all time. We also see who would be on the Mount Rushmore of action movie stars.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody, my name is Justin Greenberg, and this is
Film Real and we're back again with my buddy Jonathan,
and now we are talking about the greatest action movies
of all time. So let's get into it. Let's get
to why we're here, Jonathan, and we're here to talk
about action movies because there's not a genre that I
like more than the action movie. And ever since I

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was a little kid, action movies have been ingrained into
my livelihood. I've just always watched them. I've made my
own little movies with my action figures. I'm always outside
as a kid, you know, playing army, and you're just
always you know, whether you're watching TV shows, wrestling has action,
you're reading comic books, that's action. And the genre I

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think is not nearly as good as it once was.
I think it hit its peak at some point and
has gone downhill since then. But let's get to some
of our favorite action movies of all time. Now, before
we get to our top five, let's go to some
honorable mentions. What are some movies that just missed out
on your top five? I got Speed, not Speed to

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cruise Control. No, have you seen speed too?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I have with Jason Patrick Willem de Foe is the
bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's not a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
No first one. Very good movie True Lies.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes, yeah, big fan of that movie. That's like one
of Arnold's last good movies. Yeah, that might be his let.
I like Jingle All the Way, which is stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Terminator three has some good moments, but True Lies eraser, Yeah,
that's pretty good. But you know, True Lies, No True
Lies is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Actually fun facts. Stayed in the hotel in LA when
I was out there where they filmed Oh where he's
in the glass elevator with the horse. Yeah, it jumps
off the roof and the way the horse stops at
the last second and he goes flying over. Yeah, I
stayed there. I was like this looks familiar, and I
was like, oh wow. And this was back when I
was like sixteen, so it was probably right after they

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filmed that school. Yeah, so that was fun. H The
Rock with Sean Connery, Connory, Nicholas Cage.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
That's a solid one. Michael Bay who's not a very
good director, but he can make a good action movie
every now and then.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah we won't. We'll talk about the other ones later
that I know you don't like that.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I don't like him. I know which one you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, Hard to Kill. Ever seen it? Eighties movie?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Maybe? Probably he's on TV back in the day.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I mean he made like I think he made a
movie every year in the eighties and it was just like, okay,
we got it. But that one was my favorite. I
don't know why. Growing up, I watched that one a
lot and I actually was a big fan of that one.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
So's like apparently the biggest s in all of Hollywood. Yeah, No,
one likes him. He gets into the fights. He's just
very unliked. He was one of the few people banned
from Saturday Night Live really just because he was a
dick to everyone on the set. So h he's He's
a funny character though, so shout out to Steven Saga.
Was one of those unsung act heroes that doesn't really

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get talked about, like the Van Dams and the you know,
Stalloons and whatnot. Any more honorable mentions that's stick out
for you.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I mean I could list one hundred more, but let's
see what you got I got.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
I'm gonna go with the Jackie Chan movie Rumble in
the Bronx Okay, it's it's you know, dubbed over, but
it's just fast paced action sequences. I don't think anybody
could choreograph a fight sequence quite like Jackie Chan. And
I'm gonna get into quickly. Actually, some of the aspects
of modern movies that I don't like when it comes
to action movies is you really can't tell what the

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hell is going on with a lot of these fight
sequences because there's a lot of edits, there's a lot
of zooming in and moving the camera, and you can't
tell what's going on, mostly because one the person that's
doing the stunts isn't actually doing the stunts, and they're
trying to hide different things. And you know, look at
a Jackie Chan movie, they'll be like just a still camera,
a faraway shot, and you could see everything he's doing.

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He's setting up all this stuff. I mean, this would
take him weeks to just right out how to do this,
you know, this giant five minute fight sequence. And he
put his body on the line. You've seen all the
outtakes of him breaking ribs, spine injuries, brain injuries, scarring
on his hands. I mean, this guy has been through
it all to put on some of the in my opinion,

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the greatest fight choreography of all time. I know a
lot of people love Bruce Lay, and I like Bruce Lee,
and I respect Bruce Lee. He's the godfather. He's the
guy that did it all before anybody, and there would
be no Jackie Chan without Bruce Lay. But Jackie Chan
was able to take what Bruce Lee did and elevated
it to a much higher degree. It's like with sports.
You know, these guys from the sixties, I respect them,
but you know, give me Michael Jordan over, you know,

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Elgin Baylor, give me you know what a modern athlete
could do. Give me what Jackie Chan did. And he
was also able to implement, implement, implement, implement, implement. That's
why you're here, Jonathan comedy, which is something that Bruce
Lee never really did with his movies. So and also
the filmography. Bruce Lee only made a handful of movies.
Jackie Chan's been making movies for fifty years. So if

(04:59):
I'm gonna pick one of his movies, it is Rumble
in the Bronx. This one, I feel like it might
be actually in your movies, and that would be a
lethal weapon. Did you have any of the lethal Weapon.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I do, I do I have, So for me, it's
between lethal Weapon one and four.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yes, four is a weird one.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Those are my two favorites. So I think a big
part of movies that I like that are technically in
the action genre have a big element of comedy in
them as well, because I think you need to break
it up. You can't just have fight fight, fight, fight, fight, fight,
fight or car Chase, Car Chase, Car Chase, Car Chase.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
All five of my top five all have moments that are.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay, I think you're gon be like, no, all of
mine are just fights and just shooting and just car Chase.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, in fact, I think number one is one of
the funniest movies of all time.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
It's great. But then you get four. You got you
got Chris rock in there. I mean, Joe Peshi guys
is absolute gold.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I'd still go with the first one though, you got
Gary Busey, mister Joshua, He's fantastic. And then they're all good.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean they're all good. The whole series is great.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Did you have one actually in your top five?

Speaker 2 (06:01):
So my fifth was I couldn't pick between one and four. Yeah,
but that was number five in.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
My list yet and number one doesn't get talked about
as a Christmas movie because Diehard always gets talked about
as a Christmas Leave the Weapons as much of a Christmas exactly,
and the girl falling off to her death fantastic movie.
And Mel Gibson, I know he's a jackass. Yeah, he
is so good in that movie. He's insane. I don't
know if he's acting.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
He plays rigs yeah perfectly. Yeah. And then Danny Glover
is funny. Yah, he's on his way out. Then as
you get to the third and fourth you got Rene
Russo in there too. She's good.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
And they've wanted to make a fifth one too late.
Richard Donner, the director, he passed away. I've heard rumors
that Richard Donner basically said the only person that could
direct this would be Mel Gibson. But like Danny Glover's
like eighty years old, he's been too old for this
ship for forty years.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
He was too old in the first one. Yeah, just no,
just stop four were great. Just we don't need another sequel.
It made a TV that I actually liked.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
It was that like Sean William Scott.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
No, it was some guy I'd never seen before, but
then saw him after. He actually played a very good
Rigs as well.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
So they are playing the same characters.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, trying to think of what his name was to
search them and Chandler, I'll find it well.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Speaking of mel Gibson, I got the Mad Max films
as honorable mentions. I love The Road Warrior, which is
the second one, and then without mel Gibson though, but
the Mad Max Furiosa is unbelievable. I don't know if
we've talked about that movie before. We might have. I
mentioned I saw that one in theaters actually with you
and just how in amazement I was about the stunt work.

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And it's another thing with the modern action movie that
we rarely get is a lot of practical effects because
it's safer and it's more. It's inexpensive to create something
digitally instead of choreographing nine, you know, eighteen wheelers doing
this thing. It's dangerous. People die on these film sets,
people get very injured, and it's it's just pricey. So

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this movie Mad Max Furiosa, did ninety nine percent of
the stuff in camera. There was very little, you know,
added element of CGI to that movie. So one of
the last great action movies for sure. So this is
future Justin who's editing this podcast, And I realized I
was talking about Mad Max Furioso when I meant to say,
Mad Max Fury Road is the action movie that I

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really love. Now. Furiosa that came out in twenty twenty
four was solid, but Mad Max Fury Road from twenty
fifteen is the movie I'm talking about that I absolutely adore.
Now let's go back to Justin Take it Away. Justin
Demolition Man I have as an honorable mention. And speaking
of stallone, the Rambo series is so much fun. I

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love First Blood. It's more of a thought provoking type
of movie. You know, a guy who's the Vietnam veteran
and he has a breakdown, and it gets more cartoony
as they go on, sort of like the Rocky movies,
which become tongue in cheek and more of like a
the generic action movie. The first one's really good, but
the other ones are still really fun. Even the fourth one,
it's just called Rambo, has some of the best deaths

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in any movie. And I go two more quick ones.
John Wick loved the John Wick series. Really good fight choreography,
they drag a little bit. I think they've made a
little too many of them. They're making a spinoff now,
they had a spin off TV show. I think they're
making a fifth one as well. And the movies are
a little bit too long. And then one final one

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Indiana Jones. Love the Indiana Jones movies. But that could
get into another topic. Is that an adventure movie? Is
that an action movie?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (09:37):
You know? Because what exactly defines an action movie? Which
we will get to Actually, you know, why don't we
move on to that because we'll get to our top
five greatest ones in a little bit.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
By the way, it was Clean Crawford that played Riggs
in the TV show and Damon Waym's played too.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I knew there was somebody famous in it. Is there
any movie that you can think of that's under rated,
an action movie that people really don't talk about too much,
that doesn't get the love that it deserves.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Well, to go back to your point of I think
most of my movies are from the nineties or eighties.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, all mine like eighties with one.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Actual stunts and like you said, you watch Jackie Chan,
not even the fight scenes, but just the running up
a wall, to hop over a thing, to run a
guy down, and then, like you said, at the end
of the movie, they show him messing it up like
eight times, hurting his ankle, doing stuff with steering wheels, handcuffs, guns.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
I mean the guys the ladder, Like, yeah, the shit
he could do with a ladder, just a broom, It'll
be like hit you a million times. You know. Driving here,
there's a building that has this like giant slope. It
looks like a slide. I'm like Jackie Chan with a
fucking field day. With that, he'd be running down and
jumping off of it. Yeah, not even the fight choreography,
just the actual stunt work of going from buses and

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jumping and it's just it's insane. So shout out to
Jackie Chan. I'm gonna pick an underrated movie. It was
called dread and it made Judge dread back for the day,
say Judge dread, Well, it's it's the same character. But
they made one in twenty twelve. I believe. It stars
Carl Urban, who's a really good actor. He's in The Boys,
he's in the Lord of the Rings movies. It just

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doesn't get talked about, but it's super gory, it's got
really great special effects. It's got an interesting story where
a whole complex is locked down and he's sort of
it's sort of like a video game. He's on the
bottom floor. He has to get to the top floor
of this complex, and there's you know, crazy characters and
drug use and just it's a movie that nobody remembers
it was a movie.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I think I've seen that.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's super super good, and uh, it's unfortunately just got
thrown away and nobody talks about it, and they think
of the Sloan Judge Dread, which I actually don't mind
that movie, but unfortunately the Carl Urban one just doesn't
get the love that it deserves. So it's one of.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Those got seven point one out of ten on IMD.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
But that ain't Bed. That ain't Bed at all. Is
there an underrated one that you could think of?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Nothing that comes to mind?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Well, I'm gonna go with an ovary And this is
just a genre, and it's the superhero genre. And I
love a good superhero movie. I don't think you like
superhero movies, right, you don't like them? Pretty much?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Like what?

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Just like I guess you like Batman? I mean, who
doesn't like Batman. Yeah, you like The Dark Knight, Yeah,
Batman with Keaton? What about you know, like these Avengers
movies you watching?

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Oh, I mean I don't. I don't get into all
the like I'm not going to see the new one,
like I watched the main ones. Like I'm not watching
all the spin offs for the and that's his series
and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
There's too much. They've oversaturated the market. When we were kids,
if there was a superhero movie out and you go,
oh my god, they're making a super they're making a
superhero movie, it would happen once every three or four years.
And I equate this the food where we started off
our show. If you get ice cream every single day,
it loses that specialty of eating ice cream. And that
is what the superhero genre has become. People are just

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engorging and overeating and getting fat and diabetes off of
superhero movies, and it loses that specialty of oh my god,
we're gonna have ice cream because you know, you graduated
from school. We're gonna get ice cream because you had
a good report card. And now we just have too
much ice cream. We have too much superhero movies, and
it loses that luster, and honestly, they've also just gone

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downhill since Robert Downey Junior and Chris Evans stopped being
Ironman and Captain America. The movies have not been good.
There's been a few good ones, but they haven't been good.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
They're gonna keep making them because they keep making what
two three hundred million dollars on every movie that they make,
or are they starting to now maybe fall off.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
They are starting to fall off a little bit. They are.
You know, the Captain Marvel movie that just came out.
The Marvels did not do too well as far as
DC goes. The Flash was a gigantic bomb. Black Adam
was a gigantic bomb. I think they're gonna stop making
movies that they know aren't going to make money, and
they're just gonna make the big ones that everyone's going

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to see. I don't think we're gonna get a fourth
ant Man movie. I think they're gonna stick with, you know,
iron Man and Captain America type level of characters. You know,
Spider Man.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
But yeah, coming out with a new Superman. Right they
are summer.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
So here's the deal. James Gunn, who was fired he
worked for Disney. He made the Guardians of the Galaxy movies,
which I think are fantastic, and he got fired because
a tweet came out. He tweeted something fifteen years ago.
He got canceled, and this is one of the rarities
where people actually stood up for somebody that got canceled.

(14:28):
So the entire cast basically said, we are not making
Guardians of the Galaxy three without James Gunn.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
So they stood their ground and Disney said, okay, we're
gonna hire you back. So it goes to show you
if you stand up for your body. Yeah, you know,
if you have the star power of the Guardians casting,
we're not you can't recast all of us. You could
recast one of us, you know, groot, you could just
hire anybody, but you can't recast everyone. So they all
stood up for their guy, James Gunn, and they got

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him back. But in the meantime, DC their movies have
been shit. Yeah, they've all underperformed and they've been critically
just terrible. So DC was like, we're gonna hire James Gunn.
So in the meantime, before he got rehired by Disney,
d C decided to make him the head of DC

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you know, film division, So now he's going to be
heading that. He did come back, made that Guardians three,
then said you know, screw you guys, I'm going back
to DC and he's gonna be directing that Superman movie
and he's gonna be running the d C Comics Film
Division from now on. So I have faith in him.
I'm hoping it's good. Superman really hasn't had a good
movie in forty years or so, so.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Now is this one about Superman? Because the trailer showed
him plummeting to Earth into the snow and then super
Dog coming to like grab on.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Crypto super Dog. Yeah, yeah, no, it's about Superman. But
I didn't think the trailer was anything good. I'll be
honest with you. I thought it's weird decision to show
Superman so weak, make him heroic, make him iconic. But
trailers are trailers, so I'm not gonna bet everything just
based on the trailer. I do have faith in James Gunn.
I think he's delivered with his superhero franchises before. But

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we'll see. But I am putting as an overrated. Just
whole thing is the superhero genre because every now and
then you get a masterpiece like some of those Avengers movies.
Infinity War and the Endgame was just a masterpiece. I mean,
the atmosphere in the theater was so much fun. It's
one of those moments you'll never be able to replicate it.

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Just it was you know, ten years of the making
and all these characters that you've invested time in, and
you actually care about the characters. That's a big issue
with a lot of these other movies. Although some of
the fight sequences can be extravagant, that you don't care
for the characters, and that's really important. I know you're
not a Star Wars guy, but you know Star Wars
episode one, episode two, episode three, they have these extravagant

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fight sequences and the guys are doing flips and there's
you know, all these crazy chworlds and there's lavish special effects,
but you don't care for the characters. So, you know,
as cool as it is to look at, there's no
investment with the characters. And I equate that with wrestling.
A lot of times you watch wrestlers that are doing
these crazy flips and all these cool moves and whatnot.
But if you're not invested in the actual characters behind him.

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Who cares? They're just doing cool shit for the sake
of doing cool shit. So it's a big problem with
the action movies. You have to actually care and root
for the characters to go along with the special effects
and with the action that makes it a masterpiece. That's
why my top five all have characters that I'm rooting for.
I don't want these guys to end up dying. So
why don't we get to some other things before we
get to our top five favorite action movies of all time?

(17:38):
Let's just quickly go over the mount rushmore of action stars.
Who is I think we could come up with this together.
The top four not necessarily our favorite, but like when
you think of action stars, these are action stars like
Arnold Schwarzenegger is He's number one, right.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
He was number one on my list.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
He has to be there. I think if you think
of Arnold, do you think of Stallonge. So that's one
and two.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I think those are the locks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now
you're going to get into.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Now this is where things get difficult, because you know,
do we put somebody like a Bruce Willis there? He's
been in quite a few of them. I still stand
by Jackie Chan. I would really want Jackie Chan there
just because of the the time that he's been there,
he's been able to over all. Three of those guys

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all have you know, language issues in the sense like
you know, Arnold coming from a different country, Jackie Chan
coming from another country, Stallone coming from a different planet.
You know, they all are so unique and just.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Uh, you could even throw Dam in there.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, Van Dam's definitely in the running as far as
in Mount Rushmore, but not from this country. And yeah,
it's interesting. I guess action movies you could. You don't
really need to, you know, it translates to different countries
and all. You don't necessarily the dialogue is important. But
there's something about these characters. They're larger than life. They're
so charismatic that even if the movies were on mute,

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it would still be interesting to just look at them
because they're they're so gigantic and larger than life. So
we definitely have our two one too. I would have
no issue it being Bruce Willison, Jackie Chan, three and
four before we lock that is there anyone that stands
like I love Kurt Russell.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
So I had a couple of people written down. Who
do you got so because I'm just trying to think
of all the action movies and like all the series
that that I have written down, Mel Gibson with Mel
Gibson I have written down. I have Mark Wahlberg written down.
I mean, now you're getting newer. I'm a big Wahlburg fan.
I mean I really like most of the movie season.

(19:38):
Tom Cruise, I mean he's been in a ton of
action movies.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
And I wish he'd stopped. I love Tom Cruise. He's
probably my favorite actor of all time. He's in the
top three. But he used to make like, you know,
dramas and he's really good like Rainman and Jerry Maguire
and Born on the Fourth of July.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Like really good movies Top Gun.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
But now he's just now he's just all doing action
movies because I don't know, there's gotta be some midlife
crisis that he's going through where he has.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
To showing that he could still do Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I'm young. I mean I could do these stunts myself.
I have no issue Cruise because he's still doing it.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
So I think we have our three in Stone. It's
the Loane Arnold Cruz. Anybody else because Mel Gibson.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I have Gibson down, I have Nicholas Cage down, which
I don't consider him in action definitely not on the
Mount Rushmore. But Lasse He's in a lot of my
favorite movies, a couple that are in my top five. So,
I mean, we just talked about Steven Sagal. He was
in four hundred action movies in the eighties and nineties.

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But yeah, like you said, so if you're looking at
Mount Rushmore, you obviously got Arnold, you got the one.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Again, it's not our favorite. He's the ones that gotta impact. Listen.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Actually, we gotta have Bruce Willison there.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I was gonna say another Bruce, Bruce Lae. I'm not
saying my favorite, no, just because he's like the Founding five.
When I think of Mount Rushmore, it's like the Founding Fathers,
and he pretty much founded the martial arts film. I'm
putting Bruce lay Yeah. I think that even though, like
I said, I love Jackie Chan a million times more,
there is no Jackie Chan without Bruce Laye. So I

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think that we got three Arnold Stallone and Bruce Laye.
We need the fourth one. Bruce willis Bruce over Tom Cruise.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's tough. I mean, you think of action movies, die
has to jump right into your head right Well.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Spoiler alert, there's no Tom Cruise movie in my top five.
There is a Bruce Willis movie in my top five.
Me too, Let's go with Bruce. He's he's down and
out right now. Maybe this will help him out.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
All right.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
So that's our four. We got Arnold Stallone, Bruce Lae
and Bruce Willis.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Two bruces.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
All right, that's a pretty solid four before we get
to the top five, which we will get to in
just a moment. If we were to create a perfect
action movie, what would we have to have in this?
Like so we went over, we have to have special
effects that are practical, meaning we have to have real
stunt men. We have to have real explosions. I was

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telling you about squibs, which are little mini explosions with
blood packets in them that when you know, back in
the day, instead of CGI, they would actually have these
minor explosions tape to people's bodies. I need squibs. I
need I need comedy though as well. You need you
need a comedic element. What would be the basic plot?
Gotta be something generic like, you know, a woman's kidnapped

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and a guy needs to help her, like the damsel
in the Stress. There.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
So here's my thing with action movies too, where so
I'm gonna go with overrated. So I'm gonna start. I'm
gonna do the whole Fast and Furious series, right, Yeah,
I actually really like the first one. Okay, I like
the story, I like the action, the car scenes. Good.
You get to the second one, all right, we get
a little you gotta do a little more. Right, it's

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a sequel, you gotta do. You can't do the same
car scenes whatever. You can't have Once you get into
seven eight, you got you got cars getting dropped out
of airplanes, landing on a mountain. And that one was
the worst. They literally shot a car into space and
I'm like, okay, now we've jumped to shark. We're gone. Okay,

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So I need I need car chases, I need gunfights.
And that's the other thing too. You can't have a guy.
It's hard. It's an action movie. You know the guy's
gonna live, right, But you can't have one guy in
a shootout with thirty five people and you know he
never gets hit. Meanwhile, he's sniping everybody out. It gets
hard to believe, which again we know it's not real.

(23:36):
So that's my thing. You can't get too crazy because
then you just lose it.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
See. I might differentiate with you here because I like
that aspect of a movie like Commando, which is one
of my favorite Arnold movies. And he's why in the
wide open there's four hundred henchmen and he's just running
with the machine gun doesn't get hit once. I don't know,
it depends on what type of movie are we making.
Are we making some thing that is realistic and grounded

(24:02):
in reality, or do we want something that's harkened back
to the eighties corniness of you know, Commandos and movies
like that. So for me, I think maybe we could
find something in the middle, something like maybe like a
Total Recall, which has the corniness and the cheesy one liners,
but you know, the gunfights aren't so over the top

(24:24):
where you don't think they could actually happen.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like John Wick for a good example, Right, He's awesome. Yeah,
like just some of the stuff he does is great.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
But it's choreographed in the sense that it could happen. Yeah,
at times, obviously it gets fabricated.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, you know, like you said with the one you
just mentioned, you're not just a guy in the wide
open with four hundred people shooting out and they all
miss and you're just picking people off.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah. Yeah, he's getting his ass kicked in these movies,
John Wick. Yeah, exactly, a finger and shit like.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Well, Mel Gibson and weapons, same thing. You know, he's
not indestructible.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Now, I speaking of lethal weapon. I do love the
buddy aspect of these movies. I think, you know, I'm
looking at these movies. They have a partner, partner, somebody
helping them out. This is a group of people, a
group of people. So I don't want a solo mission.
I want somebody that's going.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
To be all the minor two people.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, so I think that's something we need. So we
need we need a smoking hot girl like she needs
to be taken away by some evil foreign guy. Can't
be like I wanted it, just like an evil Russian guy.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Again, So we're taking Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yes, but but I guess Gloria because believe it, take it.
Takeing a PG thirteen movie. Yeah, there's not a lot
of there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
There's not a lot of murder in it.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
So we need we need the blood, we need the violence.
We need more of the funniness. And we can't have
seventy year old Liam Neeson. We need somebody that is,
you know, fit and young and.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
And they got really good looking.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
They can't be too good looking where you like fuck
that guy. That's why John McLean is so good because
it's like he has the thinning hair. He doesn't really
have muscles.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Alcohol. It's a dude, yeah, wife beater.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I think we need like an average looking dude. Girlfriend
gets taken by a foreign guy. There's comedy. He meets
up with somebody that they don't get along with at first.
There's a sacrifice that gets made. Maybe another third character
that's sort of a really you know, a comedic value guy.
There needs to be an animal, which we're taken you

(26:22):
know also from Leith the weapon, Like, there needs to
be a dog, but I don't want the dog can't die?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Well, no, because then you have four John Wicks because
they killed his dog.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
But I think you can pull out the heartstrings and
have something happen to the dog the girl. The dog
gets kidnapped, Yeah, the dog, no girl.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well this is Wick now right, I mean not kidnapped,
but the.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Dog gets held hostage. That's what the whole story is.
It's you have to have funny one lines that involve
the dog, like Life's a Bitch, shows Betsy and that's
like the dog's name, and then rips the guy's throat out.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
And then gets an eating dogs treats while he's guy.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Of course. So, Hollywood, if you are listening, we sort
of set out you know, we didn't narrow it fully down,
but we have a template that needs to be brought
to the big screen.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, we named fifty action movies, fifty together.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
One movie. That's all you have to do. Yeah, well,
let's get to our top five greatest action movies of
all time. And I'm gonna start this off by saying
the number one greatest movie of all time it's not
just an action movie, is Transformers, the movie from nineteen
eighty six, and thereby four. It's disqualified from any single
list that we ever do because this is the greatest
movie ever. So I'm gonna start off with my number

(27:35):
five and this is a James Cameron movie, and I
have two James Cameron movies here, and we're gonna start
off with nineteen eighty six is Aliens, and I love
Alien from nineteen seventy nine, but Aliens is everything that
Alien did and it amped it up to another level.
It's got that awesome group of individuals joining together to

(27:57):
take on this amazing creature. The Alien Queen is one
of my favorite creatures in all of film. It's such
a unique looking character and it's all done practically. You
have Sigourney Weaver as a badass chick and it's not
this forced look at us, we're women, We're in powerk.
She just happens to be a woman. Yeah, and she's badass,

(28:19):
and she has that great line stay away from her,
you bitch. I guess that's the line that I stole
from for the Dog movie that we're creating. But you
have also just a group of characters that you're rooting for,
you know, Hicks and Newt and and you don't want
any of them to die, and they all have just
different personalities and there is comedy to it, and it's
got a great plot, it's got great special effects. I

(28:42):
love Aliens, and I think every movie after Aliens in
that franchise stinks. Alien three Terrible Alien Resurrection horrendous. Both
Alien Versus Predators, Terrible Prometheus and the other movies that
just came out. I don't care for them, but Aliens
was just so damn good.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
And again, you could do one, two, three, and I'll
even say four because I'm a fan of the Lethal
Weapons series. There's four. I'm a fan of the die
Hards there's three. So you don't always have to stop
at the second one, but stop with eight and nine
and ten, because like you said, they're never gonna be
as good.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Well die Hard went to five.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Oh that's right, And I actually probably unpopular opinion. I
actually like Live for Your Diehard. I like the story
behind need to be rated off. The other one I
didn't like. That's the one with the sun, right, Yeah, no,
that one's not that that's right. I forgot that went
to five.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
That one's very cheap looking. But yeah, the alien story,
you know, it didn't need to continue. But that's Hollywood
for you. It made a lot of money, exactly, and
they want to, you know, capitalize on that. But that
that second one is just, in my opinion, a movie
that is an absolute masterpiece, a great film score and uh,
just just fantastic movie. Visually, it's very impressive. The guns

(29:56):
in it are amazing to look at. And uh, just
I had to crack my top five. What do you
got at your number five?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Mine's gonna be lethal Weapon? You're going with one, I'm
gonna go with one. Yeah, gotta go with the original.
I think that's like I said, even four adds new characters,
but just one, like you said, too good score opens up,
you know, jingle bell rock chick jumping off the off
the building.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Eric Clapton does the music for the movie as well.
He's really yeah, he's one of the composers for that movie.
And it's got great squib work, it's got great villains,
it's got.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
The buddy amazing acting the buddy and that we were
talking about. No, I think forty.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Eight Hours came out a few years prior to that
with Eddie Murphy and Nick Nolty, and that was really
the first one to do that buddy cop thing. But
I think again, like Aliens perfected what Alien did, I
think lethal Weapon perfected what forty eight Hours started. So
I love that, especially those two characters are so good,
and if they were to make another Lethal Weapon, I

(31:00):
wouldn't even mind because We talked about this with Rocky.
Those characters are so interesting. They don't need to be cops,
Like they've retired, like mind just seele what will they do?
And they go fishing like them just living their lives.
I think are is very interesting. But them meeting up
and not liking each other at first and then growing
to appreciate one another and him becoming part of the family.

(31:22):
He gets invited to the dinner at the end. I mean,
come on, that's good shit right there.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah. No, like you said, you're rooting for him. You
got the family aspect that comes into it. Then he's
like he'll protect his myrtal's family like it's his own
because he's crazy, because he's the loner. You know, he
doesn't have a family.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Dude. The scene he puts the gun in his mouth
and he's debating on killing himself, I mean that's acting
one on one right there. He's not even saying anything.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
You're feeling it.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
You feel the emotion. You don't know what this guy
is gonna do. And when he realizes he really is,
he really look crazy. Like it's it's funny, but it's
also like, wow, this guy's a loose cannon. What is
he going to do? And then they sort of knew him.
The character isn't as dangerous, he's not as psychotic, you know,
by three and four. So that's why I still would
put number one. As you know, in my top five,

(32:08):
it probably just messed out. If there was a six,
I probably go with lethal Weapon. Let's move on. If
we talked aliens, I'm gonna go with Predator at number four.
And this is one of my favorite ensemble casts. You
got the Lake, great Carl Weathers, you got Jesse, the
Body of Ventura, and of course you have Arnold Schwarzenegger
and he's just at peak Arnold. His body it doesn't
look better at any moment. His acting has never been

(32:30):
as strong shoe, but when he's given a character that
doesn't have to say much, that's when he's at as strongest.
And this character of Dutch is fantastic. And this group
of individuals going into the jungle and they're sort of
set up, they're not really sure as to why they're
going there. They're there to you know, help hostages, but
then they're actually sent there and there's an alien life
form there that's hunting them. And the Predator is so

(32:53):
different than all these other I guess you could say
he's a horror icon, but he has more words, like,
for instance, he doesn't want to kill this woman. She's
unarmed and he doesn't kill her, and in future movies
he doesn't kill kids. And he realized somebody had cancer
because he could see the lungs and he's like, I'm
not going to kill this person and he's gonna die eventually.

(33:15):
He's there to hunt, and there's something I guess relatable
with humans with that, because what's the difference between a
human going to Africa and hunting a lion. That's essentially
what they're doing. They are predators. They go to a
planet to hunt, and they're not really villains in that sense.
They're just trying to take down the biggest threats on
the planet. Just so happens to be the human race

(33:36):
against this you know, militia force, this army ragtag group
of special force agents going up against an actual predator
is such a great concept and the creature design is fantastic.
In fact, James Cameron was talking with Stan Winston, who's
the guy who created all these special effects for Terminator
and Predator and Aliens and Jurassic Park and Edward Scissorhans

(33:58):
and all these movies. Stan Winston couldn't really figure out
the Predator design, and James Cameron said, why don't you
do this? And he drew like those you know, mandibles
that came out, and stan Winston was like, oh shit,
that's a really good idea. The dreads and believe it
or not, Jean Claude van Dam was originally cast as
the Predator and he had this goofy ass costume and

(34:18):
he kept on complaining on the set because he's also
very difficult to work with real and it was this
terrible looking design. When you have the time, look up,
Jean Claude van Dam Predator, its goofy looking red costume,
and they completely changed it around. They hired this like
seven foot tall dude to play the Predator, completely changed
the design of the character and that's what we got.

(34:39):
And I just love the creature design, the music, the
character is the action. The first twenty minutes of this
movie is an absolute just bloodbath of that army group
going into the jungle and just killing all these criminals
and blowing them away, saying one liners. And Jesse Ventre
has this chain gun, oh paintless he calls it, and
just mowing down the fucking jungle with it so much fun.

(35:00):
I remember watching this one as a kid with my
father and we're laughing because there is comedy to it.
We're making fun of the character he has a watch
on throughout it, and we're just like, why is he
still have this watch on? So I have fun memories
for it. I love the characters. I love I love Predator,
and I think some of the sequels are actually pretty fun.
Predator Too with Danny Glover is actually a pretty decent sequel,
So don't sleep on the sequels for the Predator franchise.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
And I think that it's weird that they would have
tried to get somebody famous like John Claude to be
the Predator because you don't even see him any nothing talk.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
I think it was this was before he was really
really OKAG. So Predator came out eighty seven, I want
to say so maybe like blood Sport came out there,
but it wasn't. That is fascinating that.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
You're not eighty seven.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
It would be interesting like why why would they pick
a guy who is a good looking guy, Van dam
I guess so you could say on the poster, you know,
Schwarzenegger Van dam Yeah, but yeah, they fired his ass
because he's difficult to work with. So I'm putting Predator
numero too.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
I also think it's pretty interesting that you're five and
for Alien and Predator and you're like, I hate the
Alien verse Predator movie, but by themselves, oh, they're in
the top five.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Absolutely all right.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
So my four is a nineteen eighties buddy cop movie
featuring Sylvester Stallone oh and Kurt Russell. Oh my god,
and the name of the movie is Tango and Case.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Going there.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
I am going there.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
That's insane.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I love this movie. I have watched this movie so
many times again. Comedy, just crazy guns that the guy
makes for Kurt Russell. He's got the gun in his
boot that he makes this tank of a truck for them.
They're driving, and then they're so opposite. You know. Stallone

(36:40):
is the wearing a three piece suit to work, he's
got the financial advisors reading the stocks, you know, and
then Kurt Russell is just the guy wearing the T shirt,
the jeans, you know, riding around in like a nineteen
sixties whatever muscle car. And they get set up, they
go to jail, the whole It's just a movie that

(37:01):
I just always watch. I have it on DVD.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
I'm a big Kurt Russell fan. He's one of my
absolute favorites. The Thing from nineteen eighty two, one of
my favorite movies, Big Trouble in Little China. It's one
of my favorite movies.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Escape from New York.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Escape from New York is another one that's a classic,
and Tango and Cash is not one of those that
is a classic for me. Now, I didn't grow up
with it. That could be a big thing like Transformers.
We mentioned I grew up with that. If I watched
Transformers for the first time and I was twenty five
years old, I feel like this is the dumbest thing ever. Yeah,
but it was just so part of my childhood was
Tanging on Cash, one of those movies you grew up watching.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I don't even remember the first time I saw it.
I just remember that I watched it and I was like,
I really like this movie, and anytime it's on or
if I just get a a itch to watch it.
I grabbed the DVD and I throw it in and
like I said, I could just watch it over and
over again, you.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Have no other stallone movies on your list in your
top five.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I do not really.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
So you think this is better than Demolition Man.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I'm a very big fan of Demolition fan Demolition Man two.
But no, I yeah, Tangle and Casher But like you said,
but like you said, I've watched it for twenty years,
probably probably more than that. Actually, so yeah, it's just
Terry Hatcher's hot in it too. By the way, I
know you like that.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
I do love a nice Terry Hatcher playing.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I actually met her in the elevator in New York
City once.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Really, Yeah, who else did you meet? You met a
damn you were telling me, You're like, I met that guy.
What movie was it? You said you met the guy in.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Oh well, Home Alone? Three? Three husband's yeah, I met
him at at a Ranger game.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, let's get to number three. I think we're both
going to have this on our list. We mentioned it earlier.
Yippi kaye, motherfucker die Hard. I'm going with the OG
although I do like all four of them. I'm not
even gonna mention the first one.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Do have one on there, but it is not the original.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah. Three, he with a Vengeance, which is good that
would be my second favorite, but the first one is
the one that I think is perfection. I love Reginald
vel Johnson, you know, Carl Winslow. I love that whole
dynamic of them not knowing what they even look like.
And then we mentioned the movie Flight Risk earlier, and
we're talking about because they sort of had a die
hard element of they're on you know, the woman on

(39:19):
the plane in Flight Risk is on the phone with
some guy and he's sort of walking him through how
to land a plane, and he's sort of like the
Reginald vel Johnson character Sergeant al Powell and die Hard,
but he's not. He's not when when reginaldvel Johnson, al
Powell and John mcclan when they meet up for the
first time and they have that emotion they hug each other,

(39:39):
I mean, he's more in love with al Powell than
he is with his wife. I feel like he's he's
more happy to see him, and just that character alone.
Al Powell character is such a good character because he
fired his gun by accident when he was a cop
and he hasn't fired his gun since because he accidentally
he accidentally killed. Doesn't say the kid died, but I'm
assuming he killed the kid, that is what I'm guessing.

(40:01):
And uh, you know, you get that great climax at
the end where one of the villains of Hans Gruber's
group ends up surviving and then al Pal draws his
gun for the first time and blows him away and
has that great shot sort of zooming in on him
holding the gun in front of him.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Smoke's coming out, and that character, that.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Character in itself is so great, but everyone else is
so good. You have Argyle, who's the limo driver. He's
Funny's run dmc and John McClean is such an average dude.
He's never been in a limo before, so he just
gets in the front seat. Is no how limos operate.
You got Holly, Who's I don't think in part three either,
And then I don't think she is in that movie.

(40:39):
Maybe they mentioned her, but I don't think they. Yeah,
the the villain though. This is where we're differentiating because
I love Jeremy Irons and you know, Gruber, whatever his
name is in the third one is fine. But Hans
Gruber is, in my opinion, the greatest villain in movie history.
And he's not your typical villain. That's gonna go toe

(41:01):
to toe blow for blow. He's not jacked up, he's
probably doesn't know how to throw a punch, but he's cerebral,
he's he's, you know, a leader of men. He's smart,
and he has this idea of robbing a bank and
he's just such a good foreign heel. You know, as
far as what I like with my villains, that's how
I like a villain to be written. But then there's

(41:21):
also other such great side characters. There's the one guy
who works with Holly who's high on cocaine and he's like, listen, Hans, Bobby,
let's let's talk this out. And he just gets blown away.
And this is great shot. You see the bullet go
through the back of the head. Such a great practical effect.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
And then you have the guy reporter, right, the guy reporter.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Everybody who he's a dickless from a Ghostbusters they call
him dickless. Yeah, you got that guy who's an asshole.
There's so many good characters. All the henchmen that work
with Hans Kruber are fantastic, and uh, it's just it's
such a good movie. I know, people say, oh, it's
a Christmas he doesn't matter what type of movie it is.

(42:00):
It's a movie I could watch any month, any day.
I watched it on Christmas, you know, a week this
past year. I love it. Great music, great suspense, great
stunt work, and just an average dude. A guy who's
you know, like we mentioned, he's a New York City cop,
he's one of us. He smokes cigarettes, he's he's not
in the best of shape, he's not in bad shape,
but he's just like an average dude. And you're like,

(42:21):
I could roof for this guy. Because in the eighties,
before before you know, this movie came out die Hard,
you had Arnold, you had Stallone, you had Van Dam
you had these guys that were so jacked up on steroids,
and this was really the first like average dude. Yeah,
and that was sort of moving forward. In the nineties,
you got more average bodies. You know, you had guys
like Keanu Reeves being action stars. And I really think,

(42:44):
you know, movies like Lethal Weapon and die Hard really
are the ones that made that thing happen. In the
nineties where you had you didn't have the steroid bodies anymore. Yeah,
it was kind of goofy to have a jacked up
guy as an action hero.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
And they're better actors. Yeah, million, they're better actors. They're
they're more relatable, you know to us who were the
young boys growing up playing cops and robbers and like, yeah,
that could be uso exactly, I don't have to be
in the gym in eight hours.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
And now when I'm older, it's like even better because
I'm not that I'll never be Arnold, like I never
won't three, but I could be John McClain. So I
have that at number three? Did you have three at
number three or no?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
I had it at two.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
What do you got a three?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
So at three I had two movies where I was
trying to figure out which one I like better. And
this is from what I call the Nicholas Cage trilogy.
So I always think of the Rock, conn Air, and
face Off as a trilogy, even though they all have
nothing to do with each other, because they were all
Nicholas Cage. They all came out within three years. It's tough.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I don't think Face Offs on the level of the
other two.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
You don't think so really, even with the fun and.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Goofy got dumb moments He's rubbing the fucking face just
thing the wife does. And it also just doesn't make
sense because they just changed faces and they don't have
the same bodies, so like, wouldn't you notice that the
body's a bit different?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
All right, I guess you made my pick. Oh I
forgot because we were talking about one liners and funny
things tangoing cash in the beginning when Sylvester Sloan stops
the truck and then they're looking for the drugs in
the truck and he's like, there's only gas in here, asshole,
and he like moves the guy away and shoots the
side of it and cocaine starts pouring out. He goes,

(44:29):
this fucking guy thinks he's Rambo, and Sloan goes, Rambo's
a pussy. So like we were talking about, like it's
just funny because it's him saying it about him. So
that was I forgot to bring that up. I actually
had it written down right next to danging cash, but uh,
I'm gonna go with con Air.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Then Yeah, I think that's it's great, great cast.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
And now we talk about a movie the majority takes
place on a plane, Like we just saw Flight Risk.
The majority of the movie took place on a plane.
But it's just it's so I mean, you can't even
compare the too. And that's why I was saying to you,
I would have did things differently with flight Risk, where
I would have had them land somewhere or crash or

(45:07):
whatever it may be. Uh. But yeah, Kane, you got
Nicholas Cage, you got John Malkovich, You've got me King Raim,
Steve Buscemi, John Cusack. I didn't realized how much I
like John Cusack, but he's a lot of my movies.
Yeah he is, and just everything the story. You know,
a guy that you're rooting for gets a bad rap guy. Uh,
two guys messed with his wife. After he gets out

(45:29):
of the army. He ends up killing one of them
by accident. Now he's thrown in with all these Oh,
Danny Trejo's in it, Johnny twenty three rapist murderers, the worst. Yeah,
Steve Buscemi's got a mask on like Silence of the Lambs,
and oh, Bubba Bubba's in there.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Who's the who? Malkovich is the main villain.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
John Cyrus Virus. But then his best friend is Bubba
from Forrest Gumbyes. Uh yeah, just great action movie. I
mean from start to the beginning. Great action, you're rooting
for the guy. There's comedy, there's corny one put the
Bunny back in the box.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Great special effects as well.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Again and oh, Dave Chappelle's in it. Yeah, I mean
the cast just goes on and on. So and that's
again another movie I can watch.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Who directed that one? That's not Bee it's Jerry Bruckheimer production.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, that's what I always think of, because what the lightning.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Bruckheimer rock Himer produces all these movies. But I don't
think it is a Michael Bay movie. Bay did the rock.
I want to say John Woo did a face off.
I don't know who directed conn Air. It's probably somebody
that's done a lot of actions.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Simon west Click is uh, let's see does he do
anything of because I mean to be given that cast
and all that budget, do you think you'd have to
do something that stands out.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
From before it? You would think, right, he did the
expendables to the mechanic. It's a lot of a lot
of lower Croft, tomb Raider, the General's daughter. Conn Air
was ninety seven, Yeah, nothing big like that was his
first one? Wow, like first Yeah, actual.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
He probably worked you know, uh behind the scenes, and.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
He worked on Rick Astley is never going to give
you up music.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
That's probably what got.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
But yeah, I just like I said, conn Air, I
can watch.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
It's a good one all the time. All right, let's
move on to number two. You mentioned your number two,
Diehard three Simon grow Bro. That's the guy's name.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, Simon says, plays the game. I mean just again
like his brothers, very smart.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
I love Jeremy Irons.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, he plays a great character. You got Samuel Jackson
in there now. The comedic stuff between them two when
he keeps calling him heyesus. He's like, why you call
me hayesous? I look Spanish to you. He's like the
man said hezus. He goes no, he said, hey zeus.
You know, fire a lightning bolt in your ass.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
They're great together. A lot of mind stuff in that one,
like he's making them play games and.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Like Jigsaw in a sense. And then you also have
the New York City setting, which.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Is great and it's Central Stadium.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
It's not a Christmas movie. It starts off with hot
time in the summer. Uh, some summer movie I forget.
Uh the music that starts off the movie, but it's
it's in the summer. It's very hot. They're sweating, you know,
they're wearing the wife beaters and whatnot. It's a different
sort of feeling. I'm glad they got away from the
Christmas element. Yeah, and they got out of la So, yeah,

(48:20):
they tried they tried something different. I still think the
original is superior. But if I I've gone back and
forth throughout my life, I think in recent years I've
said the first one's better, but there was a time
where I did say Diehart three was the better.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
And I think it's just an easier watch too. It's
again the comedy, the the puzzle stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Like to me, it was a big movie too. It's
the highest grossing movie that year. I believe a rarity
that an R rated movie is the highest grossing movie
of the year.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Well, then I guess I made a good pick at
number two.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, my number two, I bet you is probably your
number one.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
No, no way, yeah, no way, terminator two.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
No, you didn't have that terminator.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
I knew, I knew, I knew you were gonna have
that on there.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
That's insane.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
You're gonnae You're gonna absolutely hate my number one worse.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Than tangoing Cash.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
All Right, I got Terminators.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
I love Terminator the original, but like we said with Aliens, uh,
you know, Terminator two took what the first one did
and just made it better. You have better special effects,
you have that twist of Arnold being the good guy.
I love the dynamic of John Connor and Arnold. There's
so many great comedic moments, so many moments that I

(49:32):
just quote He's not my mother Todd, moments that I
just always remember. Uh. The action sequences, though, are the
things that really stand out. That chase when John Connor
is in the arcade and he's running from the T
one thousand played by Robert Patrick to Perfection.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, and he's.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Chasing them and he pulls out that gun. But then
Arnold shows up with the with the roses and the
shotguns in there, and he's blown away and there's one
guy in between them just gets fucking blown to the
ens and Arnold covers John Connor and just get blasted
with the pistol and they're fighting and going back and
forth and there's gone through glass and then John Connor
gets on the dirt bike and the chase scene with

(50:11):
the giant eighteen wheeler chasing them, and that's a real
eighteen wheeler, and that's a real stunt of that eighteen
wheeler going off that bridge onto the ground and continuing
to drive. And it's such an adrenaline rush. But it
wouldn't be what it is if there wasn't a story.
If that was just like that wrestling thing I was
talking about, If it was just cool stunts and there
was just stunts happening, it would be cool, but it

(50:34):
wouldn't have what it has. And that is an amazing story.
And I love time travel and I love futuristic robots.
As I mentioned, Transformers is the greatest movie of all time.
So you have all these elements that I love, the
comedic elements, the action sequences, groundbreaking special effects, not just
the practical effects with by Stan Winston Studios, but cgi

(50:55):
And this is one of, if not I think the
first movie where people really realized what she was. There
was The Abyss a few years prior to that, but
this movie was much bigger as far as you know,
box officeer seats go and that T one thousand, that
liquid metal creature when it's going through the you know,
the jail cell and when it's getting exploded and it
walks through. Nobody saw anything like that before. So that

(51:17):
was so revolutionary. Mixed that with the practical effects of
Stan Winston Studios, the story of the acting, the cast,
everything is just so good.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Like I said, I've I've obviously seen Terminated too. I
probably haven't seen it in twenty years, So it's not
one of my top movies. But the first thing that
pops into my head when you bring it up is
the liquid metal. That's what his hand turns into the sword,
Like those are the things you remember from, you know,
a movie like that.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
And he can't he can't just make a machine gun.
Has to be like knive knives and stabbing objects, so
you know, they have they have things that explain why
he can't do certain things. Obviously, these movies time travel
is always a bit tricky, like why wouldn't he just
travel back to when Sarah Connor was three years and
just blow her away? Like we just have to sort

(52:03):
of throw that out of the way when it comes
to Yeah, so it is what it is, but it
has like a good message about redemption and like a
mother and son sort of reconnecting and maybe you didn't
get along at some point, and the mother's sort of weird.
And Edward Furlong was a really good child actor and.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Unfortunately I was just gonna ask you who was the kid.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
He's great, and uh, you know, unfortunately drugs got the
best of them. He's doing better now, he's uh, you know,
sober these days, but I mean his career is done.
Like he was going to be in Terminator three and
he was just about to start filming it and he
relapsed and they were like, we can't touch you, dude.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
You gotta it's hard man being a child actor. You know,
it's fun.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
It's a fucked up, fucked up life.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
You're in a weird lifestyle. You're getting paid lots of money.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
How do you live your life? How do you go
to school? How do you do normal things? He couldn't
just go to the mall, Like that's John Connor. You're
just in a five hundred million dollar movie. How are
you supposed to, you know, go on a date. How
are you supposed to go to McDonald's and do these
things that you know, kids are just used to doing.
Playing football. You just can't do that.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Me and Jackie watched Next Level Chef last night, and
one of the contestants was Adam Sandler's son in Grown Ups,
Oh Real grown Ups two. Yeah, I'm like, wow, And
now he's on a cooking show that's inter sing life.
It's not even that long ago. I mean when they
I mean ten years ago maybe growing up.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
So yeah, I want to say twenty twenty, twelve, twenty, yeah,
something like that.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
So I was like, Wow, this guy's already on a
cooking show. Okay.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
It's interesting where some of these people just stop acting
and they say, I'm just gonna, you know, try and
do something that's completely different. But yeah, Terminator two. Uh,
growing up, it was the stuff of legend. And I
actually think I saw a Terminator two before I saw
the first Terminator. I think a lot of people think
Terminator two is the first Terminator. I've had people think that.
I remember, yeah, because it was just always on TV.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Is so much more popular, and so they always thought
Arnold was the good guy.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah. And you know what's so funny is
three of these movies, all these movies are rated are
by the way, okay that I have on my list,
and three of them all had toy lines for them
like there was an alien's toy line, there was a
Predator toylene, there was a Terminator toy line. It's like
they're selling these toys to kids, and there's no cartoon
based off of any of these. They're just like, yeah,
our rated movie where people, you know, murder each other.

(54:19):
Here's a little toy by Kenner. So very very unique.
So now we're up to number one.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Do you think that's why you like those? Because we're
into the toy thing have any bearing on it, or
it could have, It could have a little bit of
it subconsciously.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Perhaps perhaps I want to I don't want you to
even tell me you're number one, because now I'm trying to. Oh,
I know what it is.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
You have to know. I talk about it all the time.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yes, okay, it is Bad Boys two dose dose.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
So this goes to what you say about what you
grow up watching and things like that. So when the
when Bad Boys and Bad Boys two came out, I
had just met my friends down here when I moved
down here, maybe a little after actually, because it came
out in two thousand and three and I moved down
here five, so I had already seen it with like
my cousins and like our friends because Bad Boys the

(55:11):
first one. I think it's a great movie. And the
only reason I think I like the second one better
is because of the bad guy and just but again,
now you have Will Smith and Martin Lawrence, so obviously
you have comedy in there. You got the the buddy
cop thing. You know, everybody wants to be. Mike Lowry
he's the player wearing the fancy suits. And Mark Lawrence

(55:33):
got the wife and kids at home, just trying not
to get killed, like almost like a lethal weapon. One guy,
you know, Mike, Mike Lowry is the gunslinging guy, he
shoots everyone. And then Mark Lawrence is more the Myrtaal,
the Danny Glover character. But like I said, this movie
came out in two thousand and three. Me and my
friends still quote this movie probably at least once. Every

(55:54):
time we see each other, something from the movie is
brought up. I watch it all the time. I mean,
if it's on, I'm gonna watch it. So I just again,
might not be a popular opinion, but.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Listen, it's your list. That's the beauty of it. So
nobody can tell you what you like.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Well, So, like you said, you had alien, you have
predator a terminator, right, So you got three science fiction
type action movies with a creature in it, whatever it
may be. Mine seemed to be the lethal weapon, the
tangling gas, the buddy cop thing with the comedy in there,
with a good bad guy, tons of gun scenes, tons

(56:34):
of car chases. So that's that's the type of action.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I like, bad guys are so important in these movies.
And there's two ways you can go with the bad
guy with some of these movies. Sometimes the bad guy's
so cool, like you're sort of rooty for them, and
then other times you're like, fuck kill, can't wait for
him to get killed.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
So the first Bad Boys, I think, is that way
where you're like, fuck this guy. This guy is mean,
he kills everyone. And the second one is like the
Spanish guy, the don you know, the Don, the Rico,
suave guy, drug guy. But there's just so many funny
lines in it. Like I said, me and my friends
talk about he kills, he kills like his number two

(57:14):
and his like seventy five year old mom comes out
in the balcony. She goes, Johnny, what happened to Robert?
Though he goes, I don't know mama, he killed himself. Meanwhile,
he just blew his head off, like and then she
goes send his mama some nice flowers. Okay, mob, we'll
do like, you know, just stupid stuff like that that
we just always talk about.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
And Will Smith, you know, he he's got to be
in the running of that Mount rush More with Independence Day,
which we both love. Men in Black, which I really.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Love, very good.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, I would put that. I guess it's an action movie.
It's definitely science fic. Yeah, action, you know. Uh, He's
had some other good actions. I robot, what's the one
enemy of the stage that was?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
That was actually on my list.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
That's a really good I love that.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
That's a very cons on Scott conn dot com seth
green Jack.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Black Jack Black's and that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah, yeah, that's a very that's a very good movie.
I like that movie a lot. It was on my list.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
I think Will Smith, although he hasn't done them in
recent years, he's a solid action star. Yeah, A lot
of just not movie stars anymore. Unfortunately, the franchise is
king and it's that nobody really goes to the movie like, Oh,
here's the new Tom Hanks movie, here's the new you know, uh,
Tom Cruise movie. It's always has to be existing properties
that people are excited in.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Mission impossible, not exactly the.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Top gun, you know, two and three my number one movie.
Action movie is probably my top three favorite movies of
all time. It's got, in my opinion, the greatest ensemble
cast of villains ever assembled. It's got, in my opinion,
the greatest design for any character in movie history. And
on top of that, it is one of the funniest
films of all time and the goorious films of all times.

(58:56):
RoboCop from nineteen eighty seven, I'd buy that for dollar
I fucking love RoboCop. And on paper, if you say RoboCop,
people might think it's a very dumb movie. It's like, oh, RoboCop,
It's so stupid. What a dumb title it is. In fact,
the director, Paul Verhoven, he got the script and he
said this, I'm not reading this like it's the dumbest

(59:16):
title of all time. Then his wife read it and
she was like, you really need to read this. This
is like really smart. You know. It's sort of tongue
in cheek and it's poking fun. It's a satire. It's
making fun of politics of the time. It's making fun
of businesses at the time, and he read it. He
was like, this is brilliant. I am going to put
my own spin on it, but I really like what
we have here. And there's a lot of representation of

(59:39):
different things that you know, this movie's a christ allegory there.
You know, the guy who gets murdered and then resurrected
and brought back to life. So he plays into that.
You know, he has RoboCop walking on water in certain
scenes and he can't really tell it, but he specifically
made this, uh too to make light I guess of
the situation of Jesus. He's he's a very interesting direct

(01:00:00):
Paul Verhoven, but the whole cast is amazing. Clarence Bodiker
played by kurtwood Smith is right up there with Hans
Gruber as far as greatest villains go. I love the
character design. I mean, the Alien Queen is amazing, the
Predator is fantastic, the liquid metal guy is great. But RoboCop,
that design is so fucking awesome. And they don't blow
their load with this movie, because if this movie came

(01:00:22):
out today, you'd see RoboCop within the first five minutes
in this movie, you lead up with Alex Murphy. You
get to like this guy. He gets killed, he gets resurrected,
and the businessman don't give a shit. They're like, you know,
his arm is sort of working, and you're like, we'll
get rid of the arm. We'll have to get rid
of the arm. It is what it is. We don't
even care about this guy's memories. We don't not even
gonna tell his wife what happened to him. We're just

(01:00:43):
gonna take him and use his body and make him
this robotic officer. So it's pretty fucked up, you know
what they do to this guy. But Alex Murphy, you
get to meet him, and then you sort of hear
about RoboCop and you see a first person point of
view of RoboCop, you know, not being able to move.
But then you're introduced to RoboCop. You see his you know,

(01:01:04):
his boots, and then you see his arm and then
you see a shadow. It's this huge build up when
you get to actually see RoboCop with his gun, which
is the greatest gun at all of cinema, you know,
doing target practice. Then you get this full view of
him and it's just that scene alone is so brilliant directed,
because it's not what it would be done today, where
you just be like, there's RoboCop. Yeah, you slowly see him,
you hear him, you know his his footprints, and you

(01:01:26):
know he has such a distinct walk, and I'm gonna
put that in. I'll edit the sound of him walking
at this moment. But everything about it, the sound design,
the bullets, the squib work, the comedy, everything about RoboCop
is fucking perfection. It is one of my favorite movies
and by far my favorite action movie. When's the last
time you've seen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Robot I was just gonna say, from now on, when
we do this, you got to give me your list
beforehand so that I can rewatch these movies seen in
twenty years.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
RoboCop is so good and I think you would like it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Have you seen all of mine?

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
I or no name him again. I've seen Bad Boys two,
I've seen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Diar, seen conn Air, Tango and Cash Lethal Weapon.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
I have not seen Off Tango Cash. All right, here's
the deal. I will watch Tango and Cash.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Okay, you will watch Rubble Cup done.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
That's what we'll be doing next time. But I love
robo Cup and I love action movies, and it's a
damn shame that we're not really getting the action movies
that we once had because all of my movies are
besides Terminator two eighties movies and Terminator two based off
of an eighties property, all of yours.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
My latest one is Bad Boys Doing that's two thousand
and three, and that's based on a property from the nineties,
from ninety seven, I think, so essentially, there hasn't been
like anything twenty years in our minds that tops what
came out thirty something years ago. Nope, not that I
can think of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
That's why Hollywood needs to listen to our Dog Getting
Kidnapped movie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I think we're gonna have to work that out a
little more.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
No, no, no, it's perfect as is all right, Jonathan,
we've been yeah, and for almost two hours at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Well, when it's our favorite genre, eat both of us.
We could talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
For and we so much more to talk about. So
next time we'll have you back on, we'll discuss RoboCop.
I think in detail. I haven't done a full RoboCop
deep dive in a while. It Yeah, and I'll watch
Tango and Cash. That's the deal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Excellent. Thank you Jonathan, Thank you everybody for listening to
Film Reel so long,