May 20, 2025 • 45 mins
Jonathan joins me on the show to discuss seating arrangements for our movie outing. We also talk about my favorite action movie, ROBOCOP.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This production is brought to you by the Recess Bell
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I am ready?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
All right, So this is the film reel right here
on the Recess Belt Network. My name is Justin. Joining
me once again is my buddy Jonathan. And we are
talking movies because it's film real, and we're gonna specifically
be talking about a couple of movies that we saw
in theaters, one that we actually saw together. Then we'll
be going over the nineteen eighty seven classic film RoboCop.
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And then for the main event, a little tournament in
honor of March Madness. Even though we're recording this in
the middle of April. We're gonna do a little Adam
Sandler bracket. We got the top eight, in my opinion,
Adam Sandler movies, and we're gonna do a little debating
and see which one is the ultimate Adam Sandler film. Jonathan,
how's it going, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's going How are you, budd.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
It's going great. You're feeling good?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
No, I am hungover today.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, I was with you last night. We do our
bowling league for nights. We record this Saturday mornings, which
is always interesting to see what shape Jonathan's gonna turn
up in and uh, yeah, you took a little side
trip before you got here. Would you got an electrolyte beverage?
I've never even seen that. Looks like some sort of
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like auto cleaning equipment.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, it's it's basically a windshow wipe or fluid.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
So what uh? What else did you get to help you?
What's your usual hangover cure?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Uh? Sleep? But now this electrolyte beverage supposed to replenish
you know, kind of like a gatorade. Yeah, a little
buttered roll soak up, you know, some of the alcohol
that's left over.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You don't do the bacon, egg and cheese.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I mean, yeah, that's yeah, if I have time, but
I was running late today, so uh, just a quick
buttered roll and uh some electrolytes?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Do you often get hangovers because you know, I don't
really drink too much, but I'll be out of commission
for like a good half of the next day, but
not really feeling like a headache sort of thing. It's
more of just I'm tired and I you know, don't
want to move for the rest of the day.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, that's me. I get terrible hangovers and always have,
even you know, when I was in college and everybody's
part like I was still always just miserable the next day,
which is like, but yet I keep drinking.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, yeah, I don't understand how people could do two
nights in a row, three nights in a row, especially
at our age. You know, when I was younger, in
my twenties, I could do maybe a Friday night Saturday
night drinking night. But I could not even think about
doing two nights in the same week, or let alone
two nights in a row.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, that's rough. I'm normally not a two in a row.
Jackie has no problem. Yeah, she could just show wake
up and have a glass of wine. And I'm laying
on the couch like I want to die.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
First Jackie shout out of the podcast. It's Jonathan's girlfriend.
And speaking of Jackie, me, Jonathan and HERR went to
a movie, which was awkward at first because usually we're
hanging outside at the bowling alley or we're doing this podcast.
But to see people, it's like seeing your teacher at
a supermarket and you don't know really how to react
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because you're usually surrounded by bowling balls and the people
in our bowling league. So it was interesting dynamic to
meet these two outside of a pizza place, and then
we went to go watch the movie Drop, which I
know you were very much looking forward to. Jonathan. Let's
talk about the pizza experience first though, because not a fan,
not a fan of what we had. I got a standard,
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you know, a couple of slices crust, unbelievably rock hard,
which is unacceptable in today's day and age.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, they should.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
They shouldn't have pizza out there all day and then
when they cook it it becomes inedible. So wasn't a
fan of that. And then you guys ordered some sort
of appetizer I guess it was.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
She got a tomato and mozzarella salad, which is literally
just sliced tomato and sliced cheese, and it took what
like fifteen minutes to come out.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
It was insane, the out of time that it took
to get this food. And little did we know, because
we went to go watch the movie Drop on like
a special screening night, early access, early access, and apparently
they don't have trailers during these early access things, and
we missed out on fifteen minutes of the movie yep,
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which you know, we sort of put everything together. It
wasn't this you know, inception sort of plot where we
missed out on much of it because a lot of
it was shown in the trailer. But there were certain
scenes where there were characters shown in I look at
you in the middle of the theater, Michael, We're supposed
to know who this guy was.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, when the guy pulled his mask off, we were like,
uh that we supposed to know who he is.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, it was like this big Scooby Doo reveal. And
we never met this character before. I haven't gone back
and actually watched the first fifteen minutes, because you know,
I go to the movies all the time and I
might as well just walk in and see what exactly happened.
I've yet to do that, so I don't know who
that character is. But yeah, we show up late. We have,
you know, a miserable time, at least I do with
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my pizza cross. But the theater experience is always good
except for one one particular thing, and this is where
we'll start with the program. The seating arrangement. Now, when
I go to the movies, I like to sit dead center,
right in the middle, and I think it's perfect. You
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get the balance of everything you got. The sound mixes
is perfection. Where you're sitting is perfection as far as
your site goes. When we ordered the tickets, Jonathan told
me to get the seats all the way in the back,
which was shocking and apparently this is something that you
and Jackie normally do.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, that's where we sit. And I don't know. I'm
thinking the theater's not that big. I mean, some of
the auditoriums are very big, but the one that we
saw it in not very big so to me. And
I've been thinking about this since we had this discussion.
I think that I like to sit in the back
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because then that way I don't have anybody behind me.
So we've talked about people talking right during the movie
and stuff like that. So I feel like by sitting
in the back row, at least I eliminate the possibility
of somebody behind me talking, and because it's going to
carry forward, at least if the people in front of
me are talking, I probably won't hear it as much
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as if I had somebody sitting directly behind me, So
I think that might be why. Plus I definitely don't
want to be too close, like I remember back in
the day before they had the nice reclining chairs where
you know, you'd go see a movie that everybody wanted
to see and you get stuck in like one of
the first three rows, and you leave and you got
to go to the chiropractor because your next broken.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I think we can agree. The front row is
far worse than the back row. I think the front
row I would have actually committed you to a mental institution.
But the back row, I guess I see your point
as far as not having people behind you. I hate
when people are just behind me in general, Like if
I'm on a chair and my mother's like hovering behind me, like,
can you like get away for me? I feel like,
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I don't know, skeeved out by it. Uh not that
I have anything to hide, it just I don't know.
I feel like this sort of clusterphobia. But I don't
like a wall directly behind me. That's also a little clusterphobic.
You're right near the projector. I think ideally for me,
it is that middle section. I think next time we
go to the theater, we need to try that's fine
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my area.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, I'll give it a try. So, Like I said,
also too, I think by sitting in the back because
I'm very observant. I'm aware of my surroundings, So I
think that also helps that I can kind of see
everything that's going on.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
What are you an FBI agent?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Oh, listen, do you like tracking to see where the
exits are? There's been plenty of you know, incidents at
movie theaters. Yeah, I'm always aware. I'm always aware of
put it that way.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I was expecting, like, I don't know, some sort of
makeout session theory. That's why you want the back row,
like usually that's where like teenagers go to to do
the sexual acts. So I was like, what is going
to go on here at this at the screen?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, that's why we brought you there to y.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, I'm in the corner as a cock. Just watch it. Yeah.
So we went to go see the movie Drop, which
you were so excited for, and me and Jackie were,
you know, very perplexed as to why you really want
to see this movie because we thought it looked really GOOFY.
I ended up liking the movie more than both of
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you guys.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I think Listen, I definitely wanted to see it,
but I think because you and Jackie both ended up
being like, Oh, this movie's gonna be so bad. I
think I just purposely kept knowing more and more about it, like,
oh my god, I can't wait. It's gonna be the
best movie of the year. They played it, and I
think I just played it up. But no, I thought
it was good. I thought it was a good movie,
solid movie. What I kind of what I expected, you know.
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I like the twist and the turns of the game
being played.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, so let's let's go over a basic plot line.
And again, we did miss the first fifteen minutes, so
there might be some things that we actually don't know,
and we will get into some spoilers here, So if
you're really interested in Drop, might want to, you know,
fast forward a little bit on the podcast. But the
basic plot is a woman goes on a first date
with a gentleman and they have a specific seat at
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a restaurant, way way up high at at a restaurant,
you know, tall building, and she's on this first day.
Things are going a little good, and then she gets
a random drop text message or an air drop Drop.
But it's like a different sort of application. It's like
a made up app where you can receive text messages
because usually air drops from what I've gathered, because I've
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never really done air drops before. You could really just
send pictures, yeah, I think so. So this is like
some made up sort of app where you could get
text messages as air drops, and for people that don't
know what an air drop is, it's essentially like an
anonymous message, like you could send it to strangers, right,
Is that usually what happens?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, so I think it's anybody that's on the same
Wi Fi network as you and if they have it available,
because you can set it so that it's only like
your friends or your contacts or anybody. So you could
just be like on the train or something, and if
you have it open to everybody, you can just get
a random dick pick drop, right, Yeah, which is in
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the movie as well. But yeah, so it'll be a
number you don't know, so that's why it's anonymous. But
like you said, this one had like screen names, like
the screen name of the person was let's play, and
it was like the Evil Smiley Horned Moji.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So it was sort of like a mixture of a
couple of movies. Like I definitely felt some saw elements
where she had to play this game she had to
do certain things to the person on this date that
she was with because he has some dealings with a
political figure and he has dirt on them. And basically,
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you know, for the first well we missed the first
fifteen minutes, but the first you know, hour and fifteen
minutes that we're there, we don't know who is talking
and who is sending these messages, and it's sort of
a mystery, and it is a bit nerve wracking because
you're in her shoes and you're trying to figure out
what would you do in this situation, and what would
the guy do in the situation. I would have left
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this woman immediately because she's acting like a crackhead. I mean,
she's so nervous and just just really you know, skitzy,
and it doesn't seem in her right mind. And I
don't understand why he stayed for that long.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Well, also you have to put into context that it
was like her first date since her husband died. That
comes into play about how he died and maybe she
killed him, and you don't know why for the first
at least probably forty five minutes or an hour that
we watched, why they want him dead? With the that
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he's got the dirt on the politician.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
And the guy that she's on the day with. We're
not sure exactly what his if he's even in on it,
because you don't know if he's the one somehow sending
the messages, if he's setting her up. So basically just
also to like, why would she play along with this?
Because she sent she got sent a message basically saying
we're at your house with another person that's going to
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kill your kids.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Check your home security camera. And then her kid's there
with her sister, and then she swipes to like the
living room and as a dude with a mask hold
and a gun.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So she has to play along. So it's sort of this,
either do something to this guy that you're on the
date with, or we're going to kill your kid. And
it's something that a morality issue, and she's trying to
figure it out, and anytime she gets some sort of
momentum going, she gets screwed over. And I felt it
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to be a very interesting story and captivating, and I
wish a few things would have changed a little bit.
I would have definitely preferred an R rating with this movie.
I think if you went a little heavier with some
of the comedy aspects of it, because there were some
comedic elements to it, but I think they could have
pushed it a little bit further. And I also think
the violence could have been a little more violent. But
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I think for a PG thirteen action suspense sort of movie,
I thought it delivered. I thought it was a nice, fun,
sort of like if you're trying to do a date
night sort of thing. I think this is perfect. I
think women and men would like this movie because it's
nothing too vulgar, too violent, but it also delivers with
the action. I thought it was a good movie that
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delivered with a satisfying ending to the for the most part,
because again we didn't know who one of the people
were at the end of the movie. But I definitely
enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
So you're you're recommending that people go on a date
to see a movie about a date where the person's
supposed to kill their date. Yeah, I guess, okay, yeah, no, Listen,
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. It's an hour and thirty
five minutes for us, well.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
A nice hour and twenty minute movie.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So we went to the movies on Wednesday, and I'm like,
we're getting there on time. Yeah, and then we sat
there for twenty five minutes of previews.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, oh recently past Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, So I'm like, I'm going from now on. I'm
going on time, and if you want, you can call
twenty minutes after me. But I hate it because, like
you said, we don't think we missed anything crazy like
that we couldn't understand the movie, but there was. But
it's annoying. Yeah, yeah, because you're like, wait, did was
this guy in there? Did they show anything about the
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husband in the beginning? You know? So, and it's funny
because on Wednesday, Yeah, he was like, oh, drops playing
over there, Why don't you go in there and watch
the first twenty minutes, But it was twenty minutes after
our movie started, so I would have been, you know,
back and forth. But I'm definitely gonna watch the first
twenty minutes whenever I can.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, and you know, let's not even give away exactly
what happens, because it's a it's a nice, little satisfying
ending and it's definitely a recommendation from me and both Jonathan.
And then the other movie that you just mentioned that
you did see on Wednesday, I saw a solo and
the movie was called Warfare, and this is a true
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story about a military incident that took place in I
want to say, two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And I felt this movie to be extremely intense, very depressing,
not your typical rah rah sort of war movie. You're
not gonna leave this movie wanting, in my opinion, to
join the military at all. No, you're definitely not going
to have like a It has a feel good sort
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of ending, I guess you could say, but it is
just really showing the disastrous issues that military men and
women go through and the I would imagine the PTSD,
I mean, the aftermath of this sort of event must
be devastating for military people. I couldn't imagine being in
the military and wanting to go watch this movie. Why
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would anyone want to relive this? The basic plot is basically,
a group of maybe seals get sort of put in
a rough position in Iraq and they're they're just sort
of stuck in a house surrounded by terrorists and they
have to figure out how to get out of this
situation and it ends horribly for a few of them.
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And it's just it's one of those movies that I
don't think i'd ever want to rewatch, but I definitely
would recommend it. I feel like this is something that
could be shown in schools years from now because in
our school we watched Schindler's List. Believe it or not. Yeah,
So I think it's one of those movies that is
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a real I think if you talk to military people,
it's probably the most realistic version of what actually what
happened in that war. And we don't really see too
many movies about that war. There's a lot of Vietnam movies,
there's a ton of World War two movies. We've been
getting a little bit of World War One recently, but
it's very rare to have, you know, an Iraq war
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movie coming out. I guess because it's just so close
in near and dear, and these people are still you know,
they were just fighting there, you know, years ago. It's
like something that's old and in the past. These these
guys are are young and they're they're still you know,
living their lives. And the guy who actually co directed
this movie and co wrote it, he actually served in
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the military, so.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
That well it was him. So the main guy is him.
Oh really, Ray, the darker skinned guy. Yeah, yeah, so
he wrote the movie and it's completely based on all
of their memories, Like there's no actric anything, and it's
strictly off of their memories. And there's zero music in
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the movie.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I never noticed that.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, it's just and it's like in real time, like
this is what happened to them, because I think that's yeah,
I think it's in real time, like an hour and
a half, Like that's how long that whole thing took apparently,
And like you said, it was super intense because there's
some parts of the movie where they're just sitting around
in the house, but you're like you're still on edge. Well,
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you're waiting.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Because you know, you saw the trailers. It's not just
gonna be a bunch of guys fucking, you know, twiddling
their thumbs for an hour and a half. You know
there's gonna be an attack on them, so you're just
waiting for that moment to happen. You know, there'll just
be a five minute scene of a guy looking through
his sniper lens and you don't know what's gonna happen next.
I think for a lot of people, they're gonna think
this movie is boring. I think if you talk to
a modern audience, they want boom boom boom, boom boom.
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They're waiting for that, you know, opening action sequence. It's
not that sort of movie. It's a slow bill.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I think you like the opening scene.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Oh, with the pornographic For all of a sudden it
came on and I'm like, no.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
The substance sort of doing a workout, like the workout.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, but all of a sudden that came on and
I was like, this is how this movie's opening. I
was like, I did not expect that.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, it was an interesting way to start the movie,
but I guess that's what they did prior to you know,
this this event taking place. And then also it's it's
I mean, I've never seen a movie quite like this
before where there's showing the horrors of war. Now, I've
seen movies that do show that, you know, something like
Born on the fourth of July with Tom Cruise shows
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the aftermath of that, but this is just that one moment.
There's no setting up sequels or they don't really talk
about what's going to happen next to these people. I
guess there's a little post credit thing showing what happened
to some of these guys. But I mean there's sequences
where a guy gets, you know, hit with shrapnel and
he's in pain, and he's just screaming for fifteen minutes straight, literally,
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just fifteen minutes of a man screaming in pain and
he wants to get morphine and he's just he's non
stop screaming, And I would imagine a lot of people
would be turned off by that. I'm shocked that the
audience score is as high as it was because the
credits loved it, audience loved it. But I'm shocked that
a lot of people weren't turned off by this movie
because it is so intense and not for everyone.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, no, they they showed you what happened to people,
you know, when ied goes off or somebody gets shot,
and like it was, it was super intense. Yeah, and
then the ending. Not to ruin it for anybody, but
you might want to fast forward if you're gonna go
see it and you haven't seen it yet. The guys
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that are attacking them just walk out in the middle
of the street and they all looking at each other, yeah,
with the guns, like yeah, all right, I guess they're gone.
Like okay, let's go back inside now.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah. I guess it's just an everyday sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Right, Yeah, like just normal because they're just they're not soldiers,
these people.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
No, it's like a gorilla warfare sort of thing where
these these uh, you know, terrorists are just they they
live their life like that, and I guess, you know,
to them, it was just a normal everyday occurrence. But
to these soldiers just uh, you know, shape their lives
for the for the rest of their lives. So, you know,
I I don't know if I would love to talk
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to somebody that's in the military what they think about
watching military movies. Is it therapeutic? Is it something that
they would never be able.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
To I can't see it being therapeutic.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I couldn't imagine ever wanting to do this if I
serve the military.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And these guys are I mean, they're badass, yeah, I mean,
I mean there's two guys, those two guys up on
the roof just like going out just and there's people
in this direction, then there's people in another direction, and
there's people behind them, then there's people up on the roof,
then there's people down on the ground, and they're just like, yeah, whatever,
no big deal, Like they're just out there just shooting
and ducking and shooting and ducking. I was like, these guys,
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are you gotta be crazy, You gotta you gotta have
some screw loos to to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, to volunteer to do that sort
of stuff. I mean, all the power to them. But yeah, again,
you know you mentioned these guys on the roofs getting hit.
You know, bullets going everywhere, and you're not seeing the
other point of view. So it's not your typical movie
because it's only really there retelling of this story, so
you're not seeing I don't remember seeing anybody really get
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hit with bullets from the opposing forces. It's not like
it's not a typical action sequence that you're seeing. It's
mostly them avoiding getting hit by things, and you know,
just the the grid and the termination to survive this
disastrous moment of their lives. So again I give it
a recommendation. A completely different type of movie then Drop.
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Definitely not a date movie unless you're like really fucking twisted.
But I still say definite recommendation, specifically in the theaters,
because the sound was so good with these bullets going off,
And I would love to know the process of making
this movie if they used like blanks or if they
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did it all CGI, because you know, there was all
those issues just a few years ago with Alec Baldwin
killing that killing that woman on the set and you know,
saving Private Ryan. They used no real guns. There's all
rubber rubber guns and all the you know, explosions and
bullets were all CGI. So I'm wondering, based off the
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fact that this guy was in the military, I'm assuming
that there was proper training and they probably used blanks.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh no, there was. Did you see at the end,
like the three guys were showing the actors like how
to move, what to do, and then I think Jackie
told me that I think the main three guys actually
did boot camp. That would make it like three weeks.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, so the guy you could see the guy when
the one scene I was talking about when they were
up on the roof, he was showing how he would
have shot and ducked down by the wall and then
got up again and turned or whatever. It's not just
you know, okay, go up there and make it look good.
So I mean I would think that they probably used
real guns, like you said, considering they're in or were
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in the armed forces. But I have no idea. I
don't I didn't look into that.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well, I definitely, like I said, recommend it. Yeah, you know,
if this gentleman there was there though fighting, I think
this war would have ended in four minutes. And that
man is RoboCop. And that's what we're going to get
into right now on the film reel. So a few
weeks ago when you were last on the podcast, we
were talking about action movies and I mentioned RoboCop is
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my favorite action movie of all time, and I pleaded
with you to watch it because I think it's been
years since you watched it. Yeah, so you watched it.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Let's get your Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Let's get your honest thoughts on RoboCop from nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
And I watched the director's cut, which I think maybe
the one that you said was like the unedited or
unrated one.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, there's a few more violence scene. Some of the
deaths go on for a little bit longer. So when
you know Alex Murphy who turns into RoboCop, he's getting
blown to smith areens. It stays on him getting shot
for a little bit longer when mister Kenny's in the
boardroom getting shot by the two nine. That scene goes
on for you know, additional twenty seconds or longer because
initially it was going to get the X rating of
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the NC seventeen, so they had to cut some of
that stuff out. Yeah, because it's extremely violent movie directed
by Paul Verhoven for a thirteen point seven million dollar budget,
making fifty three million dollars, which is a good amount
in nineteen eighty seven. It's nothing crazy, but you know,
the movie spawned multiple sequels and did gangbusters on the
you know, VHS, and that's how a lot of these
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movies became gigantic, something like Austin Powers, I know, the
completely different genre wasn't a success in theaters. The first one,
it was a success, but nothing crazy. When that came
out on VHS, it blew up. So then the sequel
became a gigantic success, you know, the one with Mini Me.
That was the one that made hundreds of millions in theaters.
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But the initial one was a success, but it was
really VHS. And that that's one of the issues with
movies today. They have to make all their money in
theaters because there is no DVD blu ray market anymore. Yeah,
and I believe Matt Damon actually talked about this recently,
how that's part of the reason why Hollywood is failing,
because there's there's unable to make money back even if
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even if they goes to streaming. It's not the same
as spending twenty five dollars on a DVD or going
to Blockbusters spending six seven dollars to rent something. But
RoboCop made a ton of money through vhs, and uh,
it's It's absolutely in my top five favorite movies of
all time. And like I mentioned, my favorite action movie.
So what did you think, Jonathan? I don't think you
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were as big of a fan as I was.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
No, I'm not gonna put it in my top five.
But again, I've seen it before, so to watch it
again now it was interesting. Though it's a typical eighties movie,
you know, with the way it's filmed, the what is it?
The ned to nine two o nine that reminded me
of death Match? Remember death Match on MTV, Oh, celebrity
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celebrity death Match.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, the way it walked was the stop motion animation.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, that's what it reminded me of like when they
had like a character and the way it walked the
ED two nine. That was again it's in eighty seven.
You know you're not gonna get what you're gonna get
now in transformers or something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
But to me, I love that shit. I I'll eat
that up. Over All, this expensive two hundred million dollar
CGI that you get today, I feel it's so charming
to watch these practical effects, you know, knowing that a
guy took this animatronic thing, or he moved it and
took a picture, you know, stop motion animation. You take
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a picture, you move a thing a fraction of a
fraction of a fraction of an inch, then you move
it again. Picture, picture picture. The process of that, to
me is so charming. And I love that shit, so
I find it better than CGI. So besides the special effects,
what else were some of the things that jumped out
with you?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
The kills? Like you said, when he shot the guy
in the boardroom, he I mean got lit up. I
didn't expect that. I didn't remember that, and I was
just like, okay, wow, I was like a little excessive,
I mean, you know. And then same thing when Murphy
gets shot how he blew his hand off first. Yeah,
and they got a hand then they unloaded on him. Yeah,
I mean it was it was rough. Yeah, So you
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have good stuff here, Like the news broadcasts were funny
and just weird. Like like you said, it's a what
is it called the Dystopian?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, Dystopians.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's Detroit. But it's like the worst of the worst. Yeah.
And and the movie is a satire.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
The movie is a comedy. They know what they're doing.
They're trying to be funny with these scenes. The over
the topness of the violence is a sick way of
doing comedy. And the director, Paul Verhoven, his whole shtick
is this. You know, he's the guy directed Total Recall,
he directed Starship Troopers. He likes this sort of you know.
I guess he's a foreign director, and I guess some
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stuff like this is normal for him. But I thoroughly
enjoy every aspect of this movie, from the casting to
the way it's shot, to the way the sound is working,
to the comedy, to the dynamic of all the characters
interacting with one another. I think it's picture perfect. I mean,
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the basic plot is there's a guy, Alex Murphy he's
a cop, he gets blown away, he gets killed, and
he gets brought back to life as RoboCop and he's
there to serve and protect the city of Detroit. But
there's ulterior motives for some of the people working behind
the scenes for this company that creates RoboCop. And there's
the dynamic of the you know, the boardroom dynamic of
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you know, who's going to create RoboCop, why they're creating Robocops.
So you get so many different layers, so so many
different characters. There's you know, criminal activities going on throughout
the city, and RoboCop has these motives of what he
can and can't do, and you know, as the movie
goes on, you sort of figure out, you know, it's
a bit of a mystery what he can and what
he can't do, why he can't do certain things, And
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you know, you're there along the ride and you're rooting
for this character of Alex Murphy. He's a good dude,
and you get, you know, a good fifteen twenty minutes
of just Alex Murphy, and then you get the creation
of RoboCop, which to me is my favorite character design.
I love his uniform, I love the sound of him
just walking, which we talked about a few weeks ago.
I love his gun. I think it's one of the best,
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one of the best guns in movie history, right up
there with that chain gun from Predator. So it's everything
that's great. I want to start with the comedic elements.
I mean that one scene with mister Kenny getting destroyed
in the boardroom, because they introduce basically, the basic thing is,
there's two people in this in this company that create RoboCop,
that are gunning for the head position. There's Dick Jones,
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who's the old school sort of guy, and there's Bob Morton,
who's the young, up and coming business guy. And Bob
Morton wants to create RoboCop. Dick Jones is death set
on creating this robot ED two nine. So it's sort
of a like a blending of two generations. And Dick
Jones introduces ED two o nine to this boardroom and
it's just this amazing scene of one of the people
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that works in the office giving this test to point
a gun at at two nine and add two nine.
The robot says, you know, you have twenty seconds to comply.
You have to put the gun down. He puts the
gun down at two nine says you have fifteen seconds
to comply, and everyone's panicking ten seconds to comply, and
it's this countdown of him about to fucking blow him
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away because at two nine is essentially a robot with
two giant machine guns for arms, and you know, zero
seconds come up and he just gets destroyed. I mean,
he gets shot for a solid forty seconds on this
table and he's getting blown away and there's clearly no
sign of life in the sky. He gets shot with
explosive machine guns from five feet away for forty seconds,
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in every single part of his body. And then the
next line delivered by the old man is somebody want
to call a goddamn paramedic, which is so fucking funny
because there's no way this guy's alive. So it's comedy
like that that I just find so funny and charming
and just so you to the Poul Verrhoven style of directing.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And then he calls it a he goes out it
was a glitch, Yeah, a glitch, and then the main
guy's like a glitch, like the guy just got shot
sixty eight times.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well, it just shows also how big businesses don't care
about people. They'll sacrifice people. They you know, if somebody
has to die, so be it, as long as it
makes a better product. And it's really pushing the envelope
with certain things that are becoming relevant in today's day
and age. I mean the news broadcast. Now, I might
be confusing the sequels with the original one because I've
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watched two and one so much, but they'll go from
one news broadcast of like a bunch of people dying
from a horrific event, and then cut to a different
news story of, you know, something peaceful happening. So just
the dynamic of how the news works today and how
if you turn on Channel four at eleven o'clock you're
gonna get miserable story, miserable story, miserable story. Then at
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the end, like a dog was saved by you know,
a fireman. So I think it was cutting edge with
sort of predicting the future of how the news cycle
is going to be moving forward. So you have that
great comedic elements. Then just the villains, because you have
kurtwood Smith playing Clarence and he's you know, a higher
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gun essentially for Dick Jones, and just the dynamic of
him and his crew. I find so funny. I find
I find that dynamic to just be so endearing, Like
I want to be a part of this awful crew
that does terrible things. I know that sounds not good,
but it just seems like they're having a blest on
the screen and off the screen. Like you could feel
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like they were having good chemistry off the screen, and
that really translates on the screen.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, you believe that they were actually.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Buddies that Robin shit.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, shooting people and stealing and selling drugs and all that.
But yeah, great cast, great cast.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And and you know the main guy, Peter Weller who
played Alex Murphy and RoboCop. The dedication that this guy
went through. I mean he's in this costume that weighs,
you know, fifty sixty pounds. He's in the middle of
Dallas in August when they film this movie, so he's
sweating his ass off. You know, it's one hundred degree
weather and this guy's in a sixty pound outfit. He
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went to months and months of mime school. I mean,
if you ever do rewatch the movie, watch how RoboCop walks.
He'll literally turn his whole chest. Yeah, and then he'll
turn his head, and it's just it's subtle shit like that.
It's the dedication of this guy who's a classically trained actor,
who's like, if I'm gonna be a robot, if I'm
gonna play this dumb role called RoboCop, I'm gonna give
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it one hundred and ten percent. I'm gonna take it seriously.
And that's really important. They didn't do it tongue in cheek.
Everybody that's in that movie is giving one hundred and
ten percent. They're acting as if they're in something serious,
and it is serious at times, but at the end
of the day, it's a mixing of different genres. It's
science fiction, it's action, it's comedy. It's got great special
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effects there. There's only one scene that has a bad
special effect in my opinion, and that's the fin scene
when Dick Jones gets shot and you know, out the
window and he's falling dangling. That's a really bad special effect.
But I'll give it the past to me. I just
I just ignore it. I don't know why that looks
that way. They actually talk about them. There's a great
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documentary called Robo doc which came out a few years ago,
and it's an in depth. It's like three and a
half hours long just for this one movie, and they're
doing the sequels as well, and they go over every
single scene. If you ever want to watch a nice
companion piece to RoboCop, it is Robo Doc. And I
want to say they touched upon that scene and they
mentioned that it wasn't good. But besides that, I don't.
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I have no issues with this movie. It's just it's
such a fun time. It's one of those movies I
can just always turn on.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, I don't. The one scene that was a little
tough for me was when towards the end the last
scene where with the other cops, she gets shot a
bunch of times. Yeah, Lewis, she kills the guy up
in the thing after he drops all the metaln RoboCop
and then Kurbit Sith stabs him with the thing through
his uniform. Yeah whatever, I didn't think. I mean, you
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can get shot and they're bounced bullets to bouncing off,
but he was able to poke through with a you know,
a metal pipe or whatever it was.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I mean, you just have to, you know, turn your
brain off for.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Certain Yeah, no, listen, Yeah, I didn't watch the movie
thinking like, oh, well, that couldn't really happen.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
But there's certain scenes in that scene in particular, I mean,
this is an allegory for Christ the guy being killed,
and we're actually recording this Easter weekend, a guy gets
killed and brought back to life. You know, he's resurrected,
and in that scene he's walking on a puddle and
he's actually walking on water. They had it so he's
walking on water.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Like.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
There's so many layers and more depth to this movie
that I think a lot of people just by hearing
the title wouldn't even give it credit to so, you know,
they just think, oh, RoboCop. Even I mentioned you know,
the director pulver Joven didn't even want to read the
script because it was just such a super title, and
his wife ended up reading this and he was like,
this is actually really brilliant and there are layers and
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you could put your own spin on it. And thankfully
Paul Verhoven directed it, because unfortunately the sequels, although I
love RoboCop too, is missing that Paul Verhoven charm that
we would get with movies like Total Recall and Starship
Troopers just a few years later. So there's so many
iconic scenes and moments, from Alex Murphy getting killed initially
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and brought to being RoboCop, to the introduction of RoboCop
where you know you're not getting him right away. It's
a slow build up. It's a slow shot of him,
you know, just his arm when you just see the
gun going off. And there's so many elements to this movie.
If it was made today, would not be done today.
They would have had they would have had, you know,
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full on action sequence to start the movie. They would
have jumped into RoboCop within ten minutes. It wouldn't be
what it was because I think back in the day,
people let movies breathe a little bit longer. You didn't
need to catch an audience's attention well microseconds into a movie.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Bus People had ADD and ADHDV, and.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
They weren't on their phones during the movies. They were
captivated by the characters that they were watching on the
big screen, and RoboCop captivated audience. As I mentioned, they
made two sequels and then a reboot in twenty fourteen,
which has an amazing cast. Gary Oldman, Michael Keaton, Samuel L. Jackson.
I mean, Theo's are three of my favorite actors. Fortunately
the movie sucks. It's rated PG thirteen, which is absolutely.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Really but now that one's just a reboot.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Reboot, no connection to give.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
The prior movie, same basic story the first one, with
a modern twist, you know here and there different elements
with the wife involved with this, and that's another element.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
You know, Alex Murfey was married with a kid, and
you you know, you see his loss of humanity. I mean,
he doesn't know much about his past. And that's sort
of another great mystery involved with this movie is he's
trying to figure out who the fuck he is. Yeah,
and Lewis you know his partner Murphy, it's you, And
he gets these sort of clues and hints and he
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has to go back and realize Alex Murphy was a
man and he was killed. And at the end of
the movie, and I know, we're going all over the
place with this movie, but when he's given the opportunity
to kill Dick Jones and the old man who runs
the company asks him who his name is and he
says Murphy. Yeah, I mean, that's that's one of my
favorite endings to any movie. He went back to the house, Yeah,
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he saw where he lived, he had the flashbacks. Unfortunately,
they didn't capitalize on any of that shit in the sequel.
I mean they didn't get into any of that dynamic
of the humanity that he was starting to, you know,
realize he was once a man, and they sort of
just you know, got rid of that storyline. They really
fucked up the sequel, which I love the sequel. I
really love it. It's even more violent, believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
He plays same guys in it.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Same guys in it for the second, one third, one no,
and it's PG. Thirteen. Because they tried to capitalize on kids,
because they sold action figures. They had a cartoon show,
which is insane because this movie's extremely violent. There's rape,
there's drugs, there's murder, there's just pure violence, and they're like, yeah,
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let's make a cartoon out of us. But they did
that shit back in the day. They would sell toys
for Terminator too, they would sell toys for Aliens. I mean,
these are hard are rated movies. They had a Rambo
cartoon show. Rainbo's a Vietnam veteran who was in the
pow camp getting tortured, and it's like not to make
a cartoon out of this, let's sell toys. So the
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world was was drastically different in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
They're going to sell toys of anything.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Well, now all the toys are sold to adults. I
don't know if I told you this, but the number
one buyers of action figures are me like people my age,
in their thirties and forties. It's not kids. Kids aren't
playing with action figures.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
They just uh, yeah, they're on a screen.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
They want to play on the screen. They don't want
to create stories with their toys, which was some of
the best things that I would do. Me and my
buddy specifically would play with our RoboCop and Terminator toys
and we little battles and we figure out who would win.
And we are such fucking nerds. We look up on
the internet all their abilities and be like, well, he
was able to survive this, he was able to survive that,
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and we would make these like fake scenarios of a
battle between the two of them. What's funny is now
there's a really popular YouTube channel called death Battle and
they do exactly what we did. We would go on
the internet and look up, you know, how much weight
could the Hulk lift up how much you know, could
could Superman do? And you know this, this web series
Death Battle, which gets tens of millions of views, does
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that They break it down like really in depth based
on comic books and TV shows and movies. And we
were doing that with our RoboCop and Terminator figures, and
then eventually they actually made a RoboCop and Terminator video game.
There's quite a few bit of RoboCop video games. There's
one now out on the PS five and the newest Xbox,
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which I don't have. Do you have either of those?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Now? I have a PS four, yeah, which I can't
even tell you to last time I turned it on.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, I played my Xbox. First of all, Xbox might
have the dumbest branding of all time because they have
the original Xbox right, okay, sequels called Xbox three sixty
third one is called Xbox one.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
It's like, so then you go, I want to play
Xbox one. You think, oh, the original Xbox is what
you would think? No Xbox one. Then there's like Xbox
one Series S. Then there's Xbox one Series X, and
then there's X PlayStation got it, brilliantly PlayStation one, two, three, four, five.
That's what Rocky did. Then all of a sudden, they're
(42:36):
like a Rocky Balbo. It's like, what are you doing, Xbox?
Do it right? PlayStation six better be called PlayStation six,
but just pull a fucking Rocky and do the full
government name. But yeah, I just absolutely love RoboCop. I
think we went over at pretty much everything, the special effects,
the main plot of a man, you know, finding his
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humanity of again. There's just so many great scenes though.
Kurtwood Smith's character of Clarence Bodaker meeting Bob Morton and
killing him, Oh my god, with the he enters the room,
he goes, bitches leave, It's such a fucking great line.
It's so good. And that explosion because he ends up
blowing him up with the grenade. The explosions in this
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movie are the stuff of legend. I mean, they shut
down the whole city for these explosions, and some of
them went off a little too much like they if
you get if you watch this movie robodoc they talk
about how you know, there's certain scenes where they get
that gun towards the end of the movie that really
like giant thought. They're blowing up buildings like storefronts and
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one of the explosions goes off right in their face,
and they got actually stunt credit for that, and they
got extra money because the explosions the sharks of glass
went into their fucking face while filming that movie, you know,
the actors, not the actual stun band, So they got
a stunt credit for it. So, I mean, there's so
many behind the scenes stories of the making of this movie,
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and I just find it's so fascinating and one of
those iconic movies. I mean, it's RoboCop. He's such an
iconic character. The guy would end up showing up in
WCW wrestling, I don't do that sting the wrestler was
trapped in a like a jail cell in a match,
and I want to say nineteen ninety probably when they
were pushing RoboCop two, and it was I believe Peter
(44:24):
Weller in the Robocops too. He comes out, he bends
the bar bell the like you know, the bar that
he's trapped in, and rescues staying. I mean, the guy.
You've seen RoboCop for the last close to forty years.
It's been parodied, it's been duplicated, a lot of video
games have taken influence from this. A lot of movies
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have definitely taken influence from RoboCop, but in my opinion,
nothing did it better than the original from nineteen eighty seven.
So I'm gonna leave it with that with Robocompany any
last words or you think we covered it all, Jonathan.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
No, I think I think we took care of it.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
I'd buy that for a dollar.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, yeah, that guy. Yeah, I love that guy.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Me my buddy quote that I quote RoboCop probably more
than any movie ever I love. I'd buy that for
a dollar.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah. And everybody's watching it and just laughing and you
don't even know, like know what it's about. Just him
it with like two chicks. Yeah, He's like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
You were just throwing thrown into a world. I love
that you're thrown into a lived in world where you
don't have to be overly explained things. If this was
done today, they'd be like, Oh, here's the lure of
the you'd buy that for a dollar. Guy. They'd make
a fucking origin movie of that guy.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah. Yeah, that would come out
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All right, So this is the film reel right here
on the Recess Belt Network. My name is Justin. Joining
me once again is my buddy Jonathan. And we are
talking movies because it's film real, and we're gonna specifically
be talking about a couple of movies that we saw
in theaters, one that we actually saw together. Then we'll
be going over the nineteen eighty seven classic film RoboCop.
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And then for the main event, a little tournament in
honor of March Madness. Even though we're recording this in
the middle of April. We're gonna do a little Adam
Sandler bracket. We got the top eight, in my opinion,
Adam Sandler movies, and we're gonna do a little debating
and see which one is the ultimate Adam Sandler film. Jonathan,
how's it going, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's going How are you, budd.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
It's going great. You're feeling good?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
No, I am hungover today.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, I was with you last night. We do our
bowling league for nights. We record this Saturday mornings, which
is always interesting to see what shape Jonathan's gonna turn
up in and uh, yeah, you took a little side
trip before you got here. Would you got an electrolyte beverage?
I've never even seen that. Looks like some sort of
(01:16):
like auto cleaning equipment.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, it's it's basically a windshow wipe or fluid.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
So what uh? What else did you get to help you?
What's your usual hangover cure?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Uh? Sleep? But now this electrolyte beverage supposed to replenish
you know, kind of like a gatorade. Yeah, a little
buttered roll soak up, you know, some of the alcohol
that's left over.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You don't do the bacon, egg and cheese.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I mean, yeah, that's yeah, if I have time, but
I was running late today, so uh, just a quick
buttered roll and uh some electrolytes?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Do you often get hangovers because you know, I don't
really drink too much, but I'll be out of commission
for like a good half of the next day, but
not really feeling like a headache sort of thing. It's
more of just I'm tired and I you know, don't
want to move for the rest of the day.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, that's me. I get terrible hangovers and always have,
even you know, when I was in college and everybody's
part like I was still always just miserable the next day,
which is like, but yet I keep drinking.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, yeah, I don't understand how people could do two
nights in a row, three nights in a row, especially
at our age. You know, when I was younger, in
my twenties, I could do maybe a Friday night Saturday
night drinking night. But I could not even think about
doing two nights in the same week, or let alone
two nights in a row.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, that's rough. I'm normally not a two in a row.
Jackie has no problem. Yeah, she could just show wake
up and have a glass of wine. And I'm laying
on the couch like I want to die.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
First Jackie shout out of the podcast. It's Jonathan's girlfriend.
And speaking of Jackie, me, Jonathan and HERR went to
a movie, which was awkward at first because usually we're
hanging outside at the bowling alley or we're doing this podcast.
But to see people, it's like seeing your teacher at
a supermarket and you don't know really how to react
(03:05):
because you're usually surrounded by bowling balls and the people
in our bowling league. So it was interesting dynamic to
meet these two outside of a pizza place, and then
we went to go watch the movie Drop, which I
know you were very much looking forward to. Jonathan. Let's
talk about the pizza experience first though, because not a fan,
not a fan of what we had. I got a standard,
(03:29):
you know, a couple of slices crust, unbelievably rock hard,
which is unacceptable in today's day and age.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, they should.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
They shouldn't have pizza out there all day and then
when they cook it it becomes inedible. So wasn't a
fan of that. And then you guys ordered some sort
of appetizer I guess it was.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
She got a tomato and mozzarella salad, which is literally
just sliced tomato and sliced cheese, and it took what
like fifteen minutes to come out.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
It was insane, the out of time that it took
to get this food. And little did we know, because
we went to go watch the movie Drop on like
a special screening night, early access, early access, and apparently
they don't have trailers during these early access things, and
we missed out on fifteen minutes of the movie yep,
(04:20):
which you know, we sort of put everything together. It
wasn't this you know, inception sort of plot where we
missed out on much of it because a lot of
it was shown in the trailer. But there were certain
scenes where there were characters shown in I look at
you in the middle of the theater, Michael, We're supposed
to know who this guy was.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, when the guy pulled his mask off, we were like,
uh that we supposed to know who he is.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, it was like this big Scooby Doo reveal. And
we never met this character before. I haven't gone back
and actually watched the first fifteen minutes, because you know,
I go to the movies all the time and I
might as well just walk in and see what exactly happened.
I've yet to do that, so I don't know who
that character is. But yeah, we show up late. We have,
you know, a miserable time, at least I do with
(05:00):
my pizza cross. But the theater experience is always good
except for one one particular thing, and this is where
we'll start with the program. The seating arrangement. Now, when
I go to the movies, I like to sit dead center,
right in the middle, and I think it's perfect. You
(05:20):
get the balance of everything you got. The sound mixes
is perfection. Where you're sitting is perfection as far as
your site goes. When we ordered the tickets, Jonathan told
me to get the seats all the way in the back,
which was shocking and apparently this is something that you
and Jackie normally do.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, that's where we sit. And I don't know. I'm
thinking the theater's not that big. I mean, some of
the auditoriums are very big, but the one that we
saw it in not very big so to me. And
I've been thinking about this since we had this discussion.
I think that I like to sit in the back
(05:59):
because then that way I don't have anybody behind me.
So we've talked about people talking right during the movie
and stuff like that. So I feel like by sitting
in the back row, at least I eliminate the possibility
of somebody behind me talking, and because it's going to
carry forward, at least if the people in front of
me are talking, I probably won't hear it as much
(06:20):
as if I had somebody sitting directly behind me, So
I think that might be why. Plus I definitely don't
want to be too close, like I remember back in
the day before they had the nice reclining chairs where
you know, you'd go see a movie that everybody wanted
to see and you get stuck in like one of
the first three rows, and you leave and you got
to go to the chiropractor because your next broken.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I think we can agree. The front row is
far worse than the back row. I think the front
row I would have actually committed you to a mental institution.
But the back row, I guess I see your point
as far as not having people behind you. I hate
when people are just behind me in general, Like if
I'm on a chair and my mother's like hovering behind me, like,
can you like get away for me? I feel like,
(07:01):
I don't know, skeeved out by it. Uh not that
I have anything to hide, it just I don't know.
I feel like this sort of clusterphobia. But I don't
like a wall directly behind me. That's also a little clusterphobic.
You're right near the projector. I think ideally for me,
it is that middle section. I think next time we
go to the theater, we need to try that's fine
(07:22):
my area.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, I'll give it a try. So, Like I said,
also too, I think by sitting in the back because
I'm very observant. I'm aware of my surroundings, So I
think that also helps that I can kind of see
everything that's going on.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
What are you an FBI agent?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Oh, listen, do you like tracking to see where the
exits are? There's been plenty of you know, incidents at
movie theaters. Yeah, I'm always aware. I'm always aware of
put it that way.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I was expecting, like, I don't know, some sort of
makeout session theory. That's why you want the back row,
like usually that's where like teenagers go to to do
the sexual acts. So I was like, what is going
to go on here at this at the screen?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, that's why we brought you there to y.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, I'm in the corner as a cock. Just watch it. Yeah.
So we went to go see the movie Drop, which
you were so excited for, and me and Jackie were,
you know, very perplexed as to why you really want
to see this movie because we thought it looked really GOOFY.
I ended up liking the movie more than both of
(08:22):
you guys.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I think Listen, I definitely wanted to see it,
but I think because you and Jackie both ended up
being like, Oh, this movie's gonna be so bad. I
think I just purposely kept knowing more and more about it, like,
oh my god, I can't wait. It's gonna be the
best movie of the year. They played it, and I
think I just played it up. But no, I thought
it was good. I thought it was a good movie,
solid movie. What I kind of what I expected, you know.
(08:45):
I like the twist and the turns of the game
being played.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, so let's let's go over a basic plot line.
And again, we did miss the first fifteen minutes, so
there might be some things that we actually don't know,
and we will get into some spoilers here, So if
you're really interested in Drop, might want to, you know,
fast forward a little bit on the podcast. But the
basic plot is a woman goes on a first date
with a gentleman and they have a specific seat at
(09:10):
a restaurant, way way up high at at a restaurant,
you know, tall building, and she's on this first day.
Things are going a little good, and then she gets
a random drop text message or an air drop Drop.
But it's like a different sort of application. It's like
a made up app where you can receive text messages
because usually air drops from what I've gathered, because I've
(09:31):
never really done air drops before. You could really just
send pictures, yeah, I think so. So this is like
some made up sort of app where you could get
text messages as air drops, and for people that don't
know what an air drop is, it's essentially like an
anonymous message, like you could send it to strangers, right,
Is that usually what happens?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, so I think it's anybody that's on the same
Wi Fi network as you and if they have it available,
because you can set it so that it's only like
your friends or your contacts or anybody. So you could
just be like on the train or something, and if
you have it open to everybody, you can just get
a random dick pick drop, right, Yeah, which is in
(10:08):
the movie as well. But yeah, so it'll be a
number you don't know, so that's why it's anonymous. But
like you said, this one had like screen names, like
the screen name of the person was let's play, and
it was like the Evil Smiley Horned Moji.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So it was sort of like a mixture of a
couple of movies. Like I definitely felt some saw elements
where she had to play this game she had to
do certain things to the person on this date that
she was with because he has some dealings with a
political figure and he has dirt on them. And basically,
(10:44):
you know, for the first well we missed the first
fifteen minutes, but the first you know, hour and fifteen
minutes that we're there, we don't know who is talking
and who is sending these messages, and it's sort of
a mystery, and it is a bit nerve wracking because
you're in her shoes and you're trying to figure out
what would you do in this situation, and what would
the guy do in the situation. I would have left
(11:04):
this woman immediately because she's acting like a crackhead. I mean,
she's so nervous and just just really you know, skitzy,
and it doesn't seem in her right mind. And I
don't understand why he stayed for that long.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Well, also you have to put into context that it
was like her first date since her husband died. That
comes into play about how he died and maybe she
killed him, and you don't know why for the first
at least probably forty five minutes or an hour that
we watched, why they want him dead? With the that
(11:39):
he's got the dirt on the politician.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
And the guy that she's on the day with. We're
not sure exactly what his if he's even in on it,
because you don't know if he's the one somehow sending
the messages, if he's setting her up. So basically just
also to like, why would she play along with this?
Because she sent she got sent a message basically saying
we're at your house with another person that's going to
(12:04):
kill your kids.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Check your home security camera. And then her kid's there
with her sister, and then she swipes to like the
living room and as a dude with a mask hold
and a gun.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So she has to play along. So it's sort of this,
either do something to this guy that you're on the
date with, or we're going to kill your kid. And
it's something that a morality issue, and she's trying to
figure it out, and anytime she gets some sort of
momentum going, she gets screwed over. And I felt it
(12:34):
to be a very interesting story and captivating, and I
wish a few things would have changed a little bit.
I would have definitely preferred an R rating with this movie.
I think if you went a little heavier with some
of the comedy aspects of it, because there were some
comedic elements to it, but I think they could have
pushed it a little bit further. And I also think
the violence could have been a little more violent. But
(12:55):
I think for a PG thirteen action suspense sort of movie,
I thought it delivered. I thought it was a nice, fun,
sort of like if you're trying to do a date
night sort of thing. I think this is perfect. I
think women and men would like this movie because it's
nothing too vulgar, too violent, but it also delivers with
the action. I thought it was a good movie that
(13:17):
delivered with a satisfying ending to the for the most part,
because again we didn't know who one of the people
were at the end of the movie. But I definitely
enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
So you're you're recommending that people go on a date
to see a movie about a date where the person's
supposed to kill their date. Yeah, I guess, okay, yeah, no, Listen,
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. It's an hour and thirty
five minutes for us, well.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
A nice hour and twenty minute movie.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So we went to the movies on Wednesday, and I'm like,
we're getting there on time. Yeah, and then we sat
there for twenty five minutes of previews.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, oh recently past Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, So I'm like, I'm going from now on. I'm
going on time, and if you want, you can call
twenty minutes after me. But I hate it because, like
you said, we don't think we missed anything crazy like
that we couldn't understand the movie, but there was. But
it's annoying. Yeah, yeah, because you're like, wait, did was
this guy in there? Did they show anything about the
(14:15):
husband in the beginning? You know? So, and it's funny
because on Wednesday, Yeah, he was like, oh, drops playing
over there, Why don't you go in there and watch
the first twenty minutes, But it was twenty minutes after
our movie started, so I would have been, you know,
back and forth. But I'm definitely gonna watch the first
twenty minutes whenever I can.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, and you know, let's not even give away exactly
what happens, because it's a it's a nice, little satisfying
ending and it's definitely a recommendation from me and both Jonathan.
And then the other movie that you just mentioned that
you did see on Wednesday, I saw a solo and
the movie was called Warfare, and this is a true
(14:54):
story about a military incident that took place in I
want to say, two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And I felt this movie to be extremely intense, very depressing,
not your typical rah rah sort of war movie. You're
not gonna leave this movie wanting, in my opinion, to
join the military at all. No, you're definitely not going
to have like a It has a feel good sort
(15:22):
of ending, I guess you could say, but it is
just really showing the disastrous issues that military men and
women go through and the I would imagine the PTSD,
I mean, the aftermath of this sort of event must
be devastating for military people. I couldn't imagine being in
the military and wanting to go watch this movie. Why
(15:44):
would anyone want to relive this? The basic plot is basically,
a group of maybe seals get sort of put in
a rough position in Iraq and they're they're just sort
of stuck in a house surrounded by terrorists and they
have to figure out how to get out of this
situation and it ends horribly for a few of them.
(16:08):
And it's just it's one of those movies that I
don't think i'd ever want to rewatch, but I definitely
would recommend it. I feel like this is something that
could be shown in schools years from now because in
our school we watched Schindler's List. Believe it or not. Yeah,
So I think it's one of those movies that is
(16:30):
a real I think if you talk to military people,
it's probably the most realistic version of what actually what
happened in that war. And we don't really see too
many movies about that war. There's a lot of Vietnam movies,
there's a ton of World War two movies. We've been
getting a little bit of World War One recently, but
it's very rare to have, you know, an Iraq war
(16:52):
movie coming out. I guess because it's just so close
in near and dear, and these people are still you know,
they were just fighting there, you know, years ago. It's
like something that's old and in the past. These these
guys are are young and they're they're still you know,
living their lives. And the guy who actually co directed
this movie and co wrote it, he actually served in
(17:13):
the military, so.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
That well it was him. So the main guy is him.
Oh really, Ray, the darker skinned guy. Yeah, yeah, so
he wrote the movie and it's completely based on all
of their memories, Like there's no actric anything, and it's
strictly off of their memories. And there's zero music in
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the movie.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I never noticed that.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, it's just and it's like in real time, like
this is what happened to them, because I think that's yeah,
I think it's in real time, like an hour and
a half, Like that's how long that whole thing took apparently,
And like you said, it was super intense because there's
some parts of the movie where they're just sitting around
in the house, but you're like you're still on edge. Well,
(18:01):
you're waiting.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Because you know, you saw the trailers. It's not just
gonna be a bunch of guys fucking, you know, twiddling
their thumbs for an hour and a half. You know
there's gonna be an attack on them, so you're just
waiting for that moment to happen. You know, there'll just
be a five minute scene of a guy looking through
his sniper lens and you don't know what's gonna happen next.
I think for a lot of people, they're gonna think
this movie is boring. I think if you talk to
a modern audience, they want boom boom boom, boom boom.
(18:25):
They're waiting for that, you know, opening action sequence. It's
not that sort of movie. It's a slow bill.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I think you like the opening scene.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Oh, with the pornographic For all of a sudden it
came on and I'm like, no.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
The substance sort of doing a workout, like the workout.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, but all of a sudden that came on and
I was like, this is how this movie's opening. I
was like, I did not expect that.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, it was an interesting way to start the movie,
but I guess that's what they did prior to you know,
this this event taking place. And then also it's it's
I mean, I've never seen a movie quite like this
before where there's showing the horrors of war. Now, I've
seen movies that do show that, you know, something like
Born on the fourth of July with Tom Cruise shows
(19:07):
the aftermath of that, but this is just that one moment.
There's no setting up sequels or they don't really talk
about what's going to happen next to these people. I
guess there's a little post credit thing showing what happened
to some of these guys. But I mean there's sequences
where a guy gets, you know, hit with shrapnel and
he's in pain, and he's just screaming for fifteen minutes straight, literally,
(19:29):
just fifteen minutes of a man screaming in pain and
he wants to get morphine and he's just he's non
stop screaming, And I would imagine a lot of people
would be turned off by that. I'm shocked that the
audience score is as high as it was because the
credits loved it, audience loved it. But I'm shocked that
a lot of people weren't turned off by this movie
because it is so intense and not for everyone.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, no, they they showed you what happened to people,
you know, when ied goes off or somebody gets shot,
and like it was, it was super intense. Yeah, and
then the ending. Not to ruin it for anybody, but
you might want to fast forward if you're gonna go
see it and you haven't seen it yet. The guys
(20:12):
that are attacking them just walk out in the middle
of the street and they all looking at each other, yeah,
with the guns, like yeah, all right, I guess they're gone.
Like okay, let's go back inside now.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah. I guess it's just an everyday sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Right, Yeah, like just normal because they're just they're not soldiers,
these people.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
No, it's like a gorilla warfare sort of thing where
these these uh, you know, terrorists are just they they
live their life like that, and I guess, you know,
to them, it was just a normal everyday occurrence. But
to these soldiers just uh, you know, shape their lives
for the for the rest of their lives. So, you know,
I I don't know if I would love to talk
(20:47):
to somebody that's in the military what they think about
watching military movies. Is it therapeutic? Is it something that
they would never be able.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
To I can't see it being therapeutic.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I couldn't imagine ever wanting to do this if I
serve the military.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And these guys are I mean, they're badass, yeah, I mean,
I mean there's two guys, those two guys up on
the roof just like going out just and there's people
in this direction, then there's people in another direction, and
there's people behind them, then there's people up on the roof,
then there's people down on the ground, and they're just like, yeah, whatever,
no big deal, Like they're just out there just shooting
and ducking and shooting and ducking. I was like, these guys,
(21:21):
are you gotta be crazy, You gotta you gotta have
some screw loos to to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, to volunteer to do that sort
of stuff. I mean, all the power to them. But yeah, again,
you know you mentioned these guys on the roofs getting hit.
You know, bullets going everywhere, and you're not seeing the
other point of view. So it's not your typical movie
because it's only really there retelling of this story, so
you're not seeing I don't remember seeing anybody really get
(21:48):
hit with bullets from the opposing forces. It's not like
it's not a typical action sequence that you're seeing. It's
mostly them avoiding getting hit by things, and you know,
just the the grid and the termination to survive this
disastrous moment of their lives. So again I give it
a recommendation. A completely different type of movie then Drop.
(22:09):
Definitely not a date movie unless you're like really fucking twisted.
But I still say definite recommendation, specifically in the theaters,
because the sound was so good with these bullets going off,
And I would love to know the process of making
this movie if they used like blanks or if they
(22:31):
did it all CGI, because you know, there was all
those issues just a few years ago with Alec Baldwin
killing that killing that woman on the set and you know,
saving Private Ryan. They used no real guns. There's all
rubber rubber guns and all the you know, explosions and
bullets were all CGI. So I'm wondering, based off the
(22:53):
fact that this guy was in the military, I'm assuming
that there was proper training and they probably used blanks.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh no, there was. Did you see at the end,
like the three guys were showing the actors like how
to move, what to do, and then I think Jackie
told me that I think the main three guys actually
did boot camp. That would make it like three weeks.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, so the guy you could see the guy when
the one scene I was talking about when they were
up on the roof, he was showing how he would
have shot and ducked down by the wall and then
got up again and turned or whatever. It's not just
you know, okay, go up there and make it look good.
So I mean I would think that they probably used
real guns, like you said, considering they're in or were
(23:36):
in the armed forces. But I have no idea. I
don't I didn't look into that.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well, I definitely, like I said, recommend it. Yeah, you know,
if this gentleman there was there though fighting, I think
this war would have ended in four minutes. And that
man is RoboCop. And that's what we're going to get
into right now on the film reel. So a few
weeks ago when you were last on the podcast, we
were talking about action movies and I mentioned RoboCop is
(24:00):
my favorite action movie of all time, and I pleaded
with you to watch it because I think it's been
years since you watched it. Yeah, so you watched it.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Let's get your Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Let's get your honest thoughts on RoboCop from nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
And I watched the director's cut, which I think maybe
the one that you said was like the unedited or
unrated one.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, there's a few more violence scene. Some of the
deaths go on for a little bit longer. So when
you know Alex Murphy who turns into RoboCop, he's getting
blown to smith areens. It stays on him getting shot
for a little bit longer when mister Kenny's in the
boardroom getting shot by the two nine. That scene goes
on for you know, additional twenty seconds or longer because
initially it was going to get the X rating of
(24:44):
the NC seventeen, so they had to cut some of
that stuff out. Yeah, because it's extremely violent movie directed
by Paul Verhoven for a thirteen point seven million dollar budget,
making fifty three million dollars, which is a good amount
in nineteen eighty seven. It's nothing crazy, but you know,
the movie spawned multiple sequels and did gangbusters on the
you know, VHS, and that's how a lot of these
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movies became gigantic, something like Austin Powers, I know, the
completely different genre wasn't a success in theaters. The first one,
it was a success, but nothing crazy. When that came
out on VHS, it blew up. So then the sequel
became a gigantic success, you know, the one with Mini Me.
That was the one that made hundreds of millions in theaters.
(25:26):
But the initial one was a success, but it was
really VHS. And that that's one of the issues with
movies today. They have to make all their money in
theaters because there is no DVD blu ray market anymore. Yeah,
and I believe Matt Damon actually talked about this recently,
how that's part of the reason why Hollywood is failing,
because there's there's unable to make money back even if
(25:50):
even if they goes to streaming. It's not the same
as spending twenty five dollars on a DVD or going
to Blockbusters spending six seven dollars to rent something. But
RoboCop made a ton of money through vhs, and uh,
it's It's absolutely in my top five favorite movies of
all time. And like I mentioned, my favorite action movie.
So what did you think, Jonathan? I don't think you
(26:10):
were as big of a fan as I was.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
No, I'm not gonna put it in my top five.
But again, I've seen it before, so to watch it
again now it was interesting. Though it's a typical eighties movie,
you know, with the way it's filmed, the what is it?
The ned to nine two o nine that reminded me
of death Match? Remember death Match on MTV, Oh, celebrity
(26:36):
celebrity death Match.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, the way it walked was the stop motion animation.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, that's what it reminded me of like when they
had like a character and the way it walked the
ED two nine. That was again it's in eighty seven.
You know you're not gonna get what you're gonna get
now in transformers or something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
But to me, I love that shit. I I'll eat
that up. Over All, this expensive two hundred million dollar
CGI that you get today, I feel it's so charming
to watch these practical effects, you know, knowing that a
guy took this animatronic thing, or he moved it and
took a picture, you know, stop motion animation. You take
(27:17):
a picture, you move a thing a fraction of a
fraction of a fraction of an inch, then you move
it again. Picture, picture picture. The process of that, to
me is so charming. And I love that shit, so
I find it better than CGI. So besides the special effects,
what else were some of the things that jumped out
with you?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
The kills? Like you said, when he shot the guy
in the boardroom, he I mean got lit up. I
didn't expect that. I didn't remember that, and I was
just like, okay, wow, I was like a little excessive,
I mean, you know. And then same thing when Murphy
gets shot how he blew his hand off first. Yeah,
and they got a hand then they unloaded on him. Yeah,
I mean it was it was rough. Yeah, So you
(28:01):
have good stuff here, Like the news broadcasts were funny
and just weird. Like like you said, it's a what
is it called the Dystopian?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, Dystopians.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's Detroit. But it's like the worst of the worst. Yeah.
And and the movie is a satire.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
The movie is a comedy. They know what they're doing.
They're trying to be funny with these scenes. The over
the topness of the violence is a sick way of
doing comedy. And the director, Paul Verhoven, his whole shtick
is this. You know, he's the guy directed Total Recall,
he directed Starship Troopers. He likes this sort of you know.
I guess he's a foreign director, and I guess some
(28:40):
stuff like this is normal for him. But I thoroughly
enjoy every aspect of this movie, from the casting to
the way it's shot, to the way the sound is working,
to the comedy, to the dynamic of all the characters
interacting with one another. I think it's picture perfect. I mean,
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the basic plot is there's a guy, Alex Murphy he's
a cop, he gets blown away, he gets killed, and
he gets brought back to life as RoboCop and he's
there to serve and protect the city of Detroit. But
there's ulterior motives for some of the people working behind
the scenes for this company that creates RoboCop. And there's
the dynamic of the you know, the boardroom dynamic of
(29:25):
you know, who's going to create RoboCop, why they're creating Robocops.
So you get so many different layers, so so many
different characters. There's you know, criminal activities going on throughout
the city, and RoboCop has these motives of what he
can and can't do, and you know, as the movie
goes on, you sort of figure out, you know, it's
a bit of a mystery what he can and what
he can't do, why he can't do certain things, And
(29:47):
you know, you're there along the ride and you're rooting
for this character of Alex Murphy. He's a good dude,
and you get, you know, a good fifteen twenty minutes
of just Alex Murphy, and then you get the creation
of RoboCop, which to me is my favorite character design.
I love his uniform, I love the sound of him
just walking, which we talked about a few weeks ago.
I love his gun. I think it's one of the best,
(30:09):
one of the best guns in movie history, right up
there with that chain gun from Predator. So it's everything
that's great. I want to start with the comedic elements.
I mean that one scene with mister Kenny getting destroyed
in the boardroom, because they introduce basically, the basic thing is,
there's two people in this in this company that create RoboCop,
that are gunning for the head position. There's Dick Jones,
(30:33):
who's the old school sort of guy, and there's Bob Morton,
who's the young, up and coming business guy. And Bob
Morton wants to create RoboCop. Dick Jones is death set
on creating this robot ED two nine. So it's sort
of a like a blending of two generations. And Dick
Jones introduces ED two o nine to this boardroom and
it's just this amazing scene of one of the people
(30:56):
that works in the office giving this test to point
a gun at at two nine and add two nine.
The robot says, you know, you have twenty seconds to comply.
You have to put the gun down. He puts the
gun down at two nine says you have fifteen seconds
to comply, and everyone's panicking ten seconds to comply, and
it's this countdown of him about to fucking blow him
(31:18):
away because at two nine is essentially a robot with
two giant machine guns for arms, and you know, zero
seconds come up and he just gets destroyed. I mean,
he gets shot for a solid forty seconds on this
table and he's getting blown away and there's clearly no
sign of life in the sky. He gets shot with
explosive machine guns from five feet away for forty seconds,
(31:42):
in every single part of his body. And then the
next line delivered by the old man is somebody want
to call a goddamn paramedic, which is so fucking funny
because there's no way this guy's alive. So it's comedy
like that that I just find so funny and charming
and just so you to the Poul Verrhoven style of directing.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And then he calls it a he goes out it
was a glitch, Yeah, a glitch, and then the main
guy's like a glitch, like the guy just got shot
sixty eight times.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well, it just shows also how big businesses don't care
about people. They'll sacrifice people. They you know, if somebody
has to die, so be it, as long as it
makes a better product. And it's really pushing the envelope
with certain things that are becoming relevant in today's day
and age. I mean the news broadcast. Now, I might
be confusing the sequels with the original one because I've
(32:33):
watched two and one so much, but they'll go from
one news broadcast of like a bunch of people dying
from a horrific event, and then cut to a different
news story of, you know, something peaceful happening. So just
the dynamic of how the news works today and how
if you turn on Channel four at eleven o'clock you're
gonna get miserable story, miserable story, miserable story. Then at
(32:56):
the end, like a dog was saved by you know,
a fireman. So I think it was cutting edge with
sort of predicting the future of how the news cycle
is going to be moving forward. So you have that
great comedic elements. Then just the villains, because you have
kurtwood Smith playing Clarence and he's you know, a higher
(33:16):
gun essentially for Dick Jones, and just the dynamic of
him and his crew. I find so funny. I find
I find that dynamic to just be so endearing, Like
I want to be a part of this awful crew
that does terrible things. I know that sounds not good,
but it just seems like they're having a blest on
the screen and off the screen. Like you could feel
(33:37):
like they were having good chemistry off the screen, and
that really translates on the screen.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, you believe that they were actually.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Buddies that Robin shit.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, shooting people and stealing and selling drugs and all that.
But yeah, great cast, great cast.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And and you know the main guy, Peter Weller who
played Alex Murphy and RoboCop. The dedication that this guy
went through. I mean he's in this costume that weighs,
you know, fifty sixty pounds. He's in the middle of
Dallas in August when they film this movie, so he's
sweating his ass off. You know, it's one hundred degree
weather and this guy's in a sixty pound outfit. He
(34:15):
went to months and months of mime school. I mean,
if you ever do rewatch the movie, watch how RoboCop walks.
He'll literally turn his whole chest. Yeah, and then he'll
turn his head, and it's just it's subtle shit like that.
It's the dedication of this guy who's a classically trained actor,
who's like, if I'm gonna be a robot, if I'm
gonna play this dumb role called RoboCop, I'm gonna give
(34:35):
it one hundred and ten percent. I'm gonna take it seriously.
And that's really important. They didn't do it tongue in cheek.
Everybody that's in that movie is giving one hundred and
ten percent. They're acting as if they're in something serious,
and it is serious at times, but at the end
of the day, it's a mixing of different genres. It's
science fiction, it's action, it's comedy. It's got great special
(34:55):
effects there. There's only one scene that has a bad
special effect in my opinion, and that's the fin scene
when Dick Jones gets shot and you know, out the
window and he's falling dangling. That's a really bad special effect.
But I'll give it the past to me. I just
I just ignore it. I don't know why that looks
that way. They actually talk about them. There's a great
(35:16):
documentary called Robo doc which came out a few years ago,
and it's an in depth. It's like three and a
half hours long just for this one movie, and they're
doing the sequels as well, and they go over every
single scene. If you ever want to watch a nice
companion piece to RoboCop, it is Robo Doc. And I
want to say they touched upon that scene and they
mentioned that it wasn't good. But besides that, I don't.
(35:38):
I have no issues with this movie. It's just it's
such a fun time. It's one of those movies I
can just always turn on.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, I don't. The one scene that was a little
tough for me was when towards the end the last
scene where with the other cops, she gets shot a
bunch of times. Yeah, Lewis, she kills the guy up
in the thing after he drops all the metaln RoboCop
and then Kurbit Sith stabs him with the thing through
his uniform. Yeah whatever, I didn't think. I mean, you
(36:08):
can get shot and they're bounced bullets to bouncing off,
but he was able to poke through with a you know,
a metal pipe or whatever it was.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I mean, you just have to, you know, turn your
brain off for.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Certain Yeah, no, listen, Yeah, I didn't watch the movie
thinking like, oh, well, that couldn't really happen.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
But there's certain scenes in that scene in particular, I mean,
this is an allegory for Christ the guy being killed,
and we're actually recording this Easter weekend, a guy gets
killed and brought back to life. You know, he's resurrected,
and in that scene he's walking on a puddle and
he's actually walking on water. They had it so he's
walking on water.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Like.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
There's so many layers and more depth to this movie
that I think a lot of people just by hearing
the title wouldn't even give it credit to so, you know,
they just think, oh, RoboCop. Even I mentioned you know,
the director pulver Joven didn't even want to read the
script because it was just such a super title, and
his wife ended up reading this and he was like,
this is actually really brilliant and there are layers and
(37:03):
you could put your own spin on it. And thankfully
Paul Verhoven directed it, because unfortunately the sequels, although I
love RoboCop too, is missing that Paul Verhoven charm that
we would get with movies like Total Recall and Starship
Troopers just a few years later. So there's so many
iconic scenes and moments, from Alex Murphy getting killed initially
(37:24):
and brought to being RoboCop, to the introduction of RoboCop
where you know you're not getting him right away. It's
a slow build up. It's a slow shot of him,
you know, just his arm when you just see the
gun going off. And there's so many elements to this movie.
If it was made today, would not be done today.
They would have had they would have had, you know,
(37:45):
full on action sequence to start the movie. They would
have jumped into RoboCop within ten minutes. It wouldn't be
what it was because I think back in the day,
people let movies breathe a little bit longer. You didn't
need to catch an audience's attention well microseconds into a movie.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Bus People had ADD and ADHDV, and.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
They weren't on their phones during the movies. They were
captivated by the characters that they were watching on the
big screen, and RoboCop captivated audience. As I mentioned, they
made two sequels and then a reboot in twenty fourteen,
which has an amazing cast. Gary Oldman, Michael Keaton, Samuel L. Jackson.
I mean, Theo's are three of my favorite actors. Fortunately
the movie sucks. It's rated PG thirteen, which is absolutely.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Really but now that one's just a reboot.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Reboot, no connection to give.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
The prior movie, same basic story the first one, with
a modern twist, you know here and there different elements
with the wife involved with this, and that's another element.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
You know, Alex Murfey was married with a kid, and
you you know, you see his loss of humanity. I mean,
he doesn't know much about his past. And that's sort
of another great mystery involved with this movie is he's
trying to figure out who the fuck he is. Yeah,
and Lewis you know his partner Murphy, it's you, And
he gets these sort of clues and hints and he
(39:01):
has to go back and realize Alex Murphy was a
man and he was killed. And at the end of
the movie, and I know, we're going all over the
place with this movie, but when he's given the opportunity
to kill Dick Jones and the old man who runs
the company asks him who his name is and he
says Murphy. Yeah, I mean, that's that's one of my
favorite endings to any movie. He went back to the house, Yeah,
(39:22):
he saw where he lived, he had the flashbacks. Unfortunately,
they didn't capitalize on any of that shit in the sequel.
I mean they didn't get into any of that dynamic
of the humanity that he was starting to, you know,
realize he was once a man, and they sort of
just you know, got rid of that storyline. They really
fucked up the sequel, which I love the sequel. I
really love it. It's even more violent, believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
He plays same guys in it.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Same guys in it for the second, one third, one no,
and it's PG. Thirteen. Because they tried to capitalize on kids,
because they sold action figures. They had a cartoon show,
which is insane because this movie's extremely violent. There's rape,
there's drugs, there's murder, there's just pure violence, and they're like, yeah,
(40:07):
let's make a cartoon out of us. But they did
that shit back in the day. They would sell toys
for Terminator too, they would sell toys for Aliens. I mean,
these are hard are rated movies. They had a Rambo
cartoon show. Rainbo's a Vietnam veteran who was in the
pow camp getting tortured, and it's like not to make
a cartoon out of this, let's sell toys. So the
(40:30):
world was was drastically different in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
They're going to sell toys of anything.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Well, now all the toys are sold to adults. I
don't know if I told you this, but the number
one buyers of action figures are me like people my age,
in their thirties and forties. It's not kids. Kids aren't
playing with action figures.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
They just uh, yeah, they're on a screen.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
They want to play on the screen. They don't want
to create stories with their toys, which was some of
the best things that I would do. Me and my
buddy specifically would play with our RoboCop and Terminator toys
and we little battles and we figure out who would win.
And we are such fucking nerds. We look up on
the internet all their abilities and be like, well, he
was able to survive this, he was able to survive that,
(41:09):
and we would make these like fake scenarios of a
battle between the two of them. What's funny is now
there's a really popular YouTube channel called death Battle and
they do exactly what we did. We would go on
the internet and look up, you know, how much weight
could the Hulk lift up how much you know, could
could Superman do? And you know this, this web series
Death Battle, which gets tens of millions of views, does
(41:32):
that They break it down like really in depth based
on comic books and TV shows and movies. And we
were doing that with our RoboCop and Terminator figures, and
then eventually they actually made a RoboCop and Terminator video game.
There's quite a few bit of RoboCop video games. There's
one now out on the PS five and the newest Xbox,
(41:52):
which I don't have. Do you have either of those?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Now? I have a PS four, yeah, which I can't
even tell you to last time I turned it on.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, I played my Xbox. First of all, Xbox might
have the dumbest branding of all time because they have
the original Xbox right, okay, sequels called Xbox three sixty
third one is called Xbox one.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
It's like, so then you go, I want to play
Xbox one. You think, oh, the original Xbox is what
you would think? No Xbox one. Then there's like Xbox
one Series S. Then there's Xbox one Series X, and
then there's X PlayStation got it, brilliantly PlayStation one, two, three, four, five.
That's what Rocky did. Then all of a sudden, they're
(42:36):
like a Rocky Balbo. It's like, what are you doing, Xbox?
Do it right? PlayStation six better be called PlayStation six,
but just pull a fucking Rocky and do the full
government name. But yeah, I just absolutely love RoboCop. I
think we went over at pretty much everything, the special effects,
the main plot of a man, you know, finding his
(42:57):
humanity of again. There's just so many great scenes though.
Kurtwood Smith's character of Clarence Bodaker meeting Bob Morton and
killing him, Oh my god, with the he enters the room,
he goes, bitches leave, It's such a fucking great line.
It's so good. And that explosion because he ends up
blowing him up with the grenade. The explosions in this
(43:19):
movie are the stuff of legend. I mean, they shut
down the whole city for these explosions, and some of
them went off a little too much like they if
you get if you watch this movie robodoc they talk
about how you know, there's certain scenes where they get
that gun towards the end of the movie that really
like giant thought. They're blowing up buildings like storefronts and
(43:40):
one of the explosions goes off right in their face,
and they got actually stunt credit for that, and they
got extra money because the explosions the sharks of glass
went into their fucking face while filming that movie, you know,
the actors, not the actual stun band, So they got
a stunt credit for it. So, I mean, there's so
many behind the scenes stories of the making of this movie,
(44:01):
and I just find it's so fascinating and one of
those iconic movies. I mean, it's RoboCop. He's such an
iconic character. The guy would end up showing up in
WCW wrestling, I don't do that sting the wrestler was
trapped in a like a jail cell in a match,
and I want to say nineteen ninety probably when they
were pushing RoboCop two, and it was I believe Peter
(44:24):
Weller in the Robocops too. He comes out, he bends
the bar bell the like you know, the bar that
he's trapped in, and rescues staying. I mean, the guy.
You've seen RoboCop for the last close to forty years.
It's been parodied, it's been duplicated, a lot of video
games have taken influence from this. A lot of movies
(44:45):
have definitely taken influence from RoboCop, but in my opinion,
nothing did it better than the original from nineteen eighty seven.
So I'm gonna leave it with that with Robocompany any
last words or you think we covered it all, Jonathan.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
No, I think I think we took care of it.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
I'd buy that for a dollar.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, yeah, that guy. Yeah, I love that guy.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Me my buddy quote that I quote RoboCop probably more
than any movie ever I love. I'd buy that for
a dollar.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah. And everybody's watching it and just laughing and you
don't even know, like know what it's about. Just him
it with like two chicks. Yeah, He's like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
You were just throwing thrown into a world. I love
that you're thrown into a lived in world where you
don't have to be overly explained things. If this was
done today, they'd be like, Oh, here's the lure of
the you'd buy that for a dollar. Guy. They'd make
a fucking origin movie of that guy.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah. Yeah, that would come out
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