August 6, 2024 • 43 mins
The Red Gaze crew discusses the highs and lows of the new Apple TV film "Fancy Dance".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warrior Chi man again, man, you bought us on us
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everything but our Red Gays. Hi yo hi, hi yo.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Who yore?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hey everybody, Welcome to the Red Gaze. I'm your host,
Cheryl Carey, and I am here with my fellow podcasters Marley.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Fins Way and.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Delaine long Feathery. We are here today taking on another
Native themed film, a new one twenty twenty four. Who
how current we are or allied? It's twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Just oh is it?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yes, we're not. We're still an Indian timee twenty twenty three. Yeah,
So today we are taking on Fancy Dance. It is
a twenty twenty three film that is out now on
Apple TV right. Yes, and it had a limited showing
at a couple of theaters, but for the most part,
(01:12):
I think it's been just out on streaming. Yeah, Apple TV.
It got a six point six on IMDb and a
ninety six percent on Rotten Tomatoes. M hm, I know,
I'm the same writer. Director was Erica Tremblay and actors
of course. Jax playing Jack's was Lily Gladstone playing Rokie,
(01:38):
or as I like to call her Roku came calling
her Roku Isabelle Deroy Olson Mcgirl Crystal Lightning playing Sapphire,
and Tamra Putimski played the mean anti Ricky.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, yep, recognized her right, Harry, Yeah, she could play
a scary anti.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yep. She definitely gave a scary anti vibe.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
So the summary for this movie is since her sister's disappearance,
Jacks has cared for her niece Roky by scraping by
on the Seneca Cayuga Reservation in Oklahoma. Every spare minute
goes into finding her missing sister while also helping Rokey
prepare for an upcoming Powell.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That didn't complicated. Yeah, I was gonna say, first of all,
not a very complicated storyline, and then second of all,
that didn't seem like that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, this is giving very very loose over you know
what I mean, it's very broad for everything that they
jam back into this.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And a half hour and a half and a half.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, So what did what did you guys think? Overall?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I thought the beginning was slow and then it kind
of picked up at the end, and then it just
ended and I was like, Okay, I was like Oh,
it's finally picking up and stuff was happening, and then
I just yeah, then it was over. But I wasn't
sad about it either that it ended. I was like, oh, well, oh.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, it gives you this notion that it's going to
be You're going to find all this like resolution at
the end.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah, and then you don't Like I thought like they
would show the family coming together and like forgiving each
other and stuff, and like even though the sister they
found her body at the end, like that was the
thing that would bring her and her family, you know,
because she said she didn't really talk to her dad
very much and stuff, but that would like bring them
all together. But then it just ended.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So yeah, and then you didn't really see anything play out.
It was kind of like a quick shot of a
lake or something, and then they said, oh, they found
her body and then but then he opened up a
pickup door and made it look.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Like yeah, so that was the part that was I mean,
I was trying to figure it out, and I'm wondering,
like I'm wondering if he found her in the truck.
But remember he had asked to borrow that boat from Boo.
I'm wondering if he knew that they were never going
to be able to find her get a warrant for
(04:20):
this scrap yard or yeah, so he took matters into
his own hands and then like took her and then
was able to be like, we found her. Oh, I
don't think about that, because like what was opening the
red truck about?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
You know? Yeah, he didn't answer any of the.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Those It just he opens it and then he's.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And he kind of has this horrified look on his face.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Like he yeah. But then they went into the then
they said they found her body in the river or
the lake or something. So I'm like, well, what the
heck was in that truck?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, that's that's what I was doing. Was it just
dirty like all eight like, oh my god, funian bangs everywhere? Yeah.
I didn't get that either, And that's it's funny that
you kind of had to make this big stretch to
figure out out what the heck where work? Yeah, to
(05:09):
make it work, like the audience had to. I feel
like there's a lot of things in here that was
like that where the audience had to kind of fill
in the blanks because it didn't really tell the story,
Like they just.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Rushed, yeah, to make the movie, and they weren't done writing.
It seemed like they weren't done writing the movie, like
it wasn't fully done.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
That's what I felt like too.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah. Well, and that's what's crazy because they have these
their executive producers is Force Whitakers one of them. So
like you have a big money yeah backer, right there,
how come you couldn't have stretched that out and like,
you know, finished the story a little bit more?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah right then?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Kind of just like it seems like they skipped scenes
that they like took out that probably would have been
like very crucial to help explain some of the things
that happened.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I wonder if they rushed it because I was reading
a lot of articles on this movie. They kept saying, oh,
Lily Gladstone could have been nominated for another award, Like
maybe they're trying to get it done. Maybe there was
a timeline, like they want to get this movie done.
Maybe she got nominated twice. You know, they were saying
that she could have got nominated for I was reading
people saying that they really liked the way she acted
(06:17):
in this movie and they thought she should have been
as I am saying, she probably should have been nominated,
Like they're like, oh, I read some like two or
three different articles saying that about her acting, and that
she could have been nominated twice for Academy Award or
all her awards, you know, that she was cause she
was like the darling this year.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, because
I felt like she was basically playing Hochdi in this movie.
That's who she was, the same character. Yeah, they're just
real deadpen didn't really have a lot of emotion. I
really didn't feel like she cared about her sister all
that much or even her niece. You know, like there
(06:59):
wasn't a whole lot of em there. And I read
this thing. So she actually filmed this in between filming
Killers of the Flower Moon, so it almost seems like
she kind of, oh, let me just run over here
and do some scenes real quick and go back. But
maybe she couldn't get into her character there because.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
She was another character.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, she was on her other character or something, because
I yeah, I felt like she really played this super
flat yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I know, like I remember her saying, it was really
emotionally taxing to play, like, you know, the character that
she did, and Killers of the Flower Moon, so maybe
that affected how she played this character.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, I can imagine, because you would have to, like
you would have to do some heavy duty acting and
then run over here into a totally different space and
try to be at this totally different character. I don't know,
and I don't I mean not that she's a novice actor,
but I don't know if she can do.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
That may be hard for a lot of actors, Yeah, to.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Do double double parts like that. But also with Killers
of the Flower Moon, I mean when it was set
decades and decades ago, and then was probably asked to
play a very stoic Native America and then she's jumping
back on probably the different different the next day, going
to a different set and trying to modern modern native
(08:29):
that you know, shows emotion and how like women are
a essential part of the culture. You're supposed to have
that connectedness with each other, you know. Yeah, because that's
where we're rokey rokey rokie. You know, asked you know
what the word for aunt was, and it's small mother. Yeah,
she was talking about dancing to that Nancy lady and
(08:52):
when she gave her those ballet shoes and like, no.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
It's not about.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Steps, you know, like feeling a connection to that person,
and that's how you know your guys's steps. Yeah, so
it's kind of hard to I mean, I can imagine
where Lily Gladstone didn't have a whole lot of dialogue
and killers the Flower Moon that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
It's like where this movie almost you should be doing
acting with your voice and your body and your emotions
and stuff. And to go from like one extreme to
the other. Yeah, that probably was really hard for her
to try to do.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, So there were some good scenes though, I think
in this movie scenes that I liked. Scenes maybe I
didn't like so much. But what was your favorite scene
in this movie?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I really kind of liked. It was probably the most
emotional part for me. When they you know, she goes
to the they finally make it to the Powo and
Jaxon's looking for Rokie and the mother daughter dance and
she's not out there. But then the next dance they
do is the missing and Murdered People on our song.
Oh yeah, that's where she sees her. Yeah, and it's
(10:06):
kind of like, oh she knows. It's like Rookie understands
now that her mom is gone. And then that's when
they she goes out and they dance together and it's all, you.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Know, like she's being the small mother.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Now yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, that was a good scene too. I would probably
say I liked that. I kept getting taken out by
the way the Powell looked and the announced. They showed
the announcer and I'm like, okay, the announcer. It looks
like a wait kay, didn't sound like a true announcer
MC to me.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You know, at first I thought, who is that? It's
pow Powell. You know, you have the announcer and that's
going to bring like something.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
You've got a cowboy announcing.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, this cowboy announcing. And then I waited all the
way through the end credits and then I looked who
it was and I was like, well, okay, I have
to eat my own words. Yeah, because it's Ryan Redcorn
from fourteen ninety one. And I was like, he's wait
what And so I had to rewint. I didn't look
and he's got like a beard and he's kind of
like bushy.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah, all you see is just the side like and
like I said, he didn't unless that. I've never been
to a Southern Powells. Maybe that's all the MC down there. Yeah,
you know, I mean I heard him kind of saying
like hoka and stuff, but it didn't sound like how
the MC's up here sound, you know. Because it's funny.
I played in some basketball tournaments a couple this year
(11:25):
where they actually had Powell EMC's for some reason, just
multiple like two or three for some reason in different
places they had Powell em c's and I'm like, yee,
it just feels like we're I'm out of Powell even
though like I'm at a basketball tournament, because these guys
are just like they would do the championship game and
they would announce they would have them coming for the
championship game, and they were doing all kinds of stuff
(11:46):
like hokah and stuff, and yeah they were like we
played down in yankedon South Dakota and the announcer down there,
he was speaking Dakota and everything, and I was like, oh,
I just go right at home, like you know, like
I'm out of power and not a basketball tournament. Because
he's kind of like heckling us, like the players and stuff,
(12:09):
like joking with us and everything, and.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He does kind of sound pretty white. He's got hard
rs when he's saying, we're remembering our murdens. What is
this white guy don't have time where comic relief throughout
this whole thing. Yeah, I looked and I was like, oh, man,
I really like that guy.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, I guess. I mean it is hard to be
an MC though, so you know, he obviously I mean
maybe he's an EMC. I don't know, but he didn't
have the kind of EMC skills that I'm used to hearing.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
As soon as I thought that, then when I like
went to kind of rewatch it a little bit, I
had a hard time trying to take it seriously because
he's in the fourteen nine. I've seen so many of
the kids, and I'm just like, oh, it was serious.
He's actually kind of taking this serious a little bit.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, don't find it funny.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I don't know why I'm finding it funny, but for
some reason.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, So I think it's That's probably the only scene
that I really liked do like that was my favorite scene,
is the end scene where they really start dancing. I
kind of wanted to see a little bit more of that,
you know, but then it just went by really fast,
and it was like just yeah, I had way too
many like just moments where it just ended and then
it went to the next scene or whatever. Yeah, all right,
(13:31):
So do you have a favorite character in this movie?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
H there are not many characters either.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
No, there's only a handful of them.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I liked Sapphire, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I like Chris.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I recognized her for Reservation Dogs, yep.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And she's she has expression like I think she's an
to me, she's kind of an underrated actress, you know
what I mean, Like she's in a lot of stuff,
but I think she should be getting more kudos than
she does because she actually shows emotion in her face
and you can see like she uses her body when
she you know, like.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
A normal talking like yeah, yeah, person.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
And whereas the other ones were kind of flat, you know,
like like the dad was real flat, you know, the
Grandma wasn't real you know, like I just want to
I guess I wanted to see more, like it's an
extremely emotional topic in film, and I thought her and then.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I thought they did really good and yeah, little roles
that they had, I can tell they have a lot
of acting experience.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Hamra Podinski played Ricky the mean Auntie, and she was
the only other one too that just really showed a
lot of emotion. She really pulled out that shotgun, you know,
the out of my house, Grandma Beans. You know, I
don't know where she pulled that shotgun between the cushions
(14:56):
or I blinked and I missed it since suddenly she
had a shotgun. Yeah. So there's some little flashes of
good things in here, but I don't know some of
the other things I didn't care for.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
And then I feel like they already did. I mean,
even though I don't really like the movie when River,
they already did the whole thing with the man camps
and young woman missing out at the man camp.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, and there's so many other storylines they could have
went down, like the whole drug thing or the stripper thing,
or it kind of felt like they took us off
course by saying man camps. So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
And then the man camp I have seen did not
look like the man camps up here.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, nice little Yeah, the ones up in Williston were rugged.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yep, some rugged ones. All right, what was probably the
worst part of this movie for you?
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Whenever she like the Rokie shot that oh, the gas station.
I was like, what the heck is going on? I
didn't like, what's gonna happen to her? Now? Like they
got to the powow. Literally, Jax is in so much
trouble because that little her little niece now shot shot
so much cashier. But they went to the powow and.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, everything's there, the other bissing big piece of the puzzle.
She has time to walk away. Jack's through this cornfield
and I don't know, we don't know how far she
walked until she called her dad, her dad, and then
you know, because she said she had to go back,
and the police were there. There was a dispatcher. You
hear that, like, you know, so you'd think that she
(16:43):
would have got picked up, but then she just shows
up to the powow like how yeah, what happened? Yeah,
they just let her go because she's she's all over
as a kidnapped child. Yeah, you know, if they would
have seen her or caught her, she would have went
back to that gas station.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
And a native stands out a little and made a
girl walking around. Somebody's gonna call that in exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So that's more like missing puzzle pieces that were just
like okay, how did we get here?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
We have to like like, were they in Oklahoma City
already or the suburbs? How did she get like to
the Powell.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, did she just wait till what? Because if the
police were there, they would have seen that was a
stolen car. How would she have gotten anywhere?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Another? Like, I kept getting taken out because the little
girl didn't have her phone either. Age they're on our
phones all the time. Yeah, really, you know she didn't
have a phone. And then I have like that I
was recognizing some of the names, like Shawnee. They went
to Shawnee. I have a friend that's from there, and
and like I have friends from Oklahoma. They all have
(17:47):
a Southern accent, Like yeah, none of these guys have
no accent at all, and like they really have a
Southern drawl down there. And oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well I looked at I also look to how big
there resids compared to some of the other resids. It's tiny, yeah,
very tiny, tiny compared to the size of open Yeah.
So it's like how far did they go?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
How far did they have to travel?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah? There was so many plot holes and blanks in
this movie that I couldn't get past. So the bad
guy where this car was was like right in front
of their nose, Like that's one of the first guys
that they went and talked to. So you didn't know
that this guy had some sort of relationship with your sister.
(18:40):
It seemed like, oh, yeah, she's really close to their sister.
Then she didn't know anything about her sister, and so
there was just so many like plot holes. The whole
child welfare thing felt like it was like sort of
wedged in there because.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
They wouldn't care. I know, when does CPS ever care
about any little kids?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
And CPS doesn't make house calls, like they wouldn't come
to your house. It really felt like it was wedged
in there to make it seem like there was all
these barriers and stuff when I don't think it would
have played out that way. I think it should have
been something more believable.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, and then the way like the Native lady too
that came in with the CPS, like just like let them,
like the white grandparents take her niece. She didn't say
one word. I noticed that her the character whoever came
in with CPS was Native, And I'm like, how come
they're just letting them take.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Her yeah, that doesn't happen. There's a whole, big, drawn
out process that has to happen, and so there was
so many plot holes for me and then the whole Okay,
so they were hustling, supposedly getting all this money, and
they showed them with their little jars full of money.
Well where was that money when they were traveling? Because
they kept stealing, they kept stealing, and I was just like,
(20:03):
they're trying to make these characters sympathetic to the audience,
but then they're stealing every chance they get, and they
show like Rokie stealing stuff just basically deal stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, and it's like and then they randomly show her
get mad at the nies like why are you stealing?
And I'm like, you guys been stealing this whole time,
why are you mad now.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So one of the things that made me think about
this whole like stealing story arc, like what was the
whole purpose of it? Is because when Jax or whatever
gets to the Powow and she starts looking around, there's
a powow chair sitting there, and she takes off her
jacket and steals the jacket that's on the chair and
(20:52):
puts it on. For what nobody saw you. If they did,
who would care? So what was the point of taking
the shirt and putting this other shirt on? Like it
was a random, random thievery that decided.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Stealing shan stealing?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, what was that all about? Why was that relevant
or what?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
And they had like all she got the thing.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, she gets mad at her for stealing at that
one place, Like they didn't just break into a house
like yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Didn't steal some ladies car that had a baby. Yeah,
for real.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
It's supposed to make them look like they're struggling.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
But she said she was struggling to make fifty dollars
and her sister's been missing for two weeks. How do
they have that house? How do they have the house
that they're living in? She couldn't be the only one
working as a stripper, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Well, and that was a nice house, I mean there
was nice things in there, could have hocd all kinds
of stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Well then she was saying, well, we could just catch
a ride to the powow. Yeah, that's what most like
rezumes would do. You know, I have just blin that,
you know, been like ten Bucks for gas, Bucks for
gas here and there.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, that was I guess the thing about this movie
is I had I struggled to try to connect things and.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Try to make un out of the suspension of belief.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I just had to be like, Okay, I guess this
is what happened, this is how we end up here.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Yeah. That was the first thing that took me out
was the child the CPS thing. I'm like, that would
I don't think that would happen. Yeah, exactly quickly either.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
And what was trust frustrating is that they're just like,
so their dad had not been a part of their
lives for so long, and like, you know, he remarried.
He's white, remarried this white lady, and then you know,
nobody's been looking for for Taoi for these two weeks
she's been missing. And then the second the white grandparents
(22:54):
get involved into it, then they were on TV just
like saying she was kidnapped and they just wanted her
that's safe, like, and then it went to national news immediately.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I guess I understand why they wanted to put it
in there, because they want to make the point that
the FBI gets involved when it's non natives and stuff.
But to be honest, like the FBI don't give a
crap no matter what, you know, Like they just don't.
I think they could have made the point in a
different way.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
And I did like that they kept saying. They kept
going between it's tribal, it's federal tribal. They kept bouncing,
because that does happen in real life. Yeah, that's something
that does if somebody goes missing. I don't know how
many times I heard that. Yeah, like we've.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Had that jurisdiction.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yeah, I had that Olivia Loan Bear up in Newtown.
That's why it took so long to find her. And
like it wasn't even the police that found her, was
civilians because they kept saying, well, it's your yeah you
got to look for her. No, you got to like, like,
why does that take so long for somebody to comunity?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Was the one who liked put together, And yeah, that
was a good thing that they included in this is
showing that the family and the community were all walking
around they have to do it because yeah, the police
aren't going to do it. If I aren't going to
do it, you know.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Just go back and forth and say, yeah, you it's
your jurisdiction.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Passing the book, yep, exactly. That was one of the
other scenes that I liked was.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
The great search scene.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, when the grandma, when the grandma was saying say
her name, Oh yeah, say her name, you know, because
I think that's another thing that that was believable. A
grandma saying you got to say her name, you got
to keep saying her name, you got to keep calling her.
That made sense to me. And then seeing Cheese's grandma
was yeah, a reminiscing scene. Jesus grandma was cool. But
(24:48):
that was only other scenes that I really liked. Everything
else really made me feel like I had to stretch. Yeah,
you know, like I had to.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
That was a writing. I think it could have been
a better movie. I think maybe they seem to write,
rewrite it a couple more times, or you know, come
up some different ideas.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Call sit up.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I think stick to one topic that you're gonna show
because again, this to me, this falls into the category
of a native movie trying to cram too much into it.
You know, like you got the child welfare thing, you
got the struggling thing, you got the power thing, the
MMI w thing that the man can so it's all
(25:30):
these topics, trying to squeeze in all these topics when
it's really you know, just take one topic and do
it really well so people can go along with you
and feel the story with you and not just have
the film the place.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yes, I wish they would have. I mean, I know
they were showing I feel like they were doing a
lot of telling with the relationship between Roki and Jack's. Yeah,
you know, I didn't feel that anti niece connection between them,
and I wish they would have showed them having like
fun here and there because I felt like everything was so.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
The only time they felt it looked or felt like
they were kind of close in any way is after
she got her moon and yeah, she took her to
go eat and you know, said you could have whatever
you want. That was the only time she was ever
like being that auntie and just being like carrying like,
hey kid, this happened to you. Yeah, let's celebrate you.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
And that was the only time that they were ever
really like played kind of close, except for the very
end scene.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
You know. Yeah, we liked the ending, but I just
feel like it was it was nothing was really built
up to that where they were dancing together. Like I
didn't really get that relationship between them.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, and they and they were mad at each other
when they left each other, and then they came back
and there's dancing. So even that too was kind of
a little It was cool, but it was also kind
of a stretch too. You had you had to assume
that there was a good relationship enough.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah, this movie didn't make me want to see like
an anti.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Niece movie though, one good one yeah, where they could
have Yeah, they could have had.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
A lot like Powell Highway or something. Yeah, the anti
giving knowledge to the niece somehow.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
So one of the things my son watched this movie too,
and so we kind of went back and forth because
because I brought up the whole stealing thing, you know,
like constantly stealing, and he was like, whoa, you know,
it's a it's a struggle, you know. He got that part,
like he was like he was trying to justify and say, well,
it's a struggle and stuff, and I was like, but
there's a million other ways that Native people hustle, you know,
(27:40):
for money, and kind.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Of had like Jax be a beaters.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
She was sewing and making her own regalia Yeah, that
was another thing. Get rid of some of your old regalia.
You could sell that hand me down.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
It's nice, someone will take it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
So so they could have killed two birds with one
stone by like having them do things together to make money.
That would have made more sense to me than like
the whole stealing stealing the whole movie.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And it did kind of set it up for That's
what I thought initially, because at very beginning of the movie,
you see them, I mean they did start stealing right
off the bat, from the whole, but they had went
to that market and like Rokie was, you know, she
was like trying to play that find the corn like games.
So she was already kind of doing like a little
hustle for a couple of dollars. And then yeah, Jack's
(28:31):
had like what was it, She said something about like
red clover or something.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Oh, yeah, she was selling some storaging.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Or something to bring back and you know sell. So
it's like, why couldn't you just made that their thing,
like the aunt nice type of thing. They go out,
they forwarage, the forage together, and you know, then they
come back and.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Make stuff together, stuff together.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, and then that could have funded their whole thing
without having you, then you could have eliminated the stealing
yeah away and if it's.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And it would have made more sense.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And there's smalls like you didn't know somebody from the
next reserver that you could have just like crashed on
their couch or right.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I agree, I agree totally. They could have built up
that relationship in so much better way without having to
show stealing.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
I don't know, I feel like that's where like that
was like their being bonding thing, was they're stealing stuff
together or she's teaching Jackson's teaching rookie to like be
a criminal.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
And steal, Like why why is it bringing why are
you doing crimes bringing together? Instead of like trying to
solve the crime.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Mom point of it was trying to get to the
power and find her mom.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Instead, they just made the movie about like Luis on
the Run the Native film.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah you like so Yeah, this film struggled. I think good.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
It had very good intentions. It had great intentions, It
just didn't execute it right because I read that what's
her name, Tremblay, she used this movie to try to
revitalize the Cayuga language because you know, throughout the whole
switching back and forth between speaking Cayuga and then to English. Yeah,
(30:27):
and so a big thing with that was I did
a little research on that, and the last fluent language
speaker died in like nineteen eighty nine, so just like
you know, that was the last fluent speaker. So she's
trying to use this platform to try to you know,
try to revitalize and great revitalization of that language. And
(30:50):
so I appreciated that part. I liked that, but I
just think that she needed it, just needed a little
more help. Yeah, something they needed something I don't like.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Did any Oklahoma Natives I wonder, like help with this story.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Oh, I guess I didn't look that part up. But
they did use like Southern like at the pow wow
the trail that they were talking about those are that's
the second Southern songs.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah. I was like, well I got that right.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Scene was actually up there in terms like on our
on our little hierarchy of Powo scenes about of like
not wasn't one of those super fakey ones. It was
a real legit pow scene. That was cool. And I
do I do like the fact that they use the
language a lot but to me, I couldn't get past like,
(31:47):
if you're a language speaker and if you know your
culture to the point where you know what to do
in a becoming woman ceremony and you know how to
for it and you know the land, then you're probably
not a thief. Probably grew up in a family that
(32:08):
taught you good, good values, and so making making it
I guess again, it seemed like they shoehorned in the hole, Oh,
we have to steal to do this, when it's like, no,
there were so many other things. But I don't know,
I get I got caught up in that right away.
Maybe that's just I was being judging mcjudgerson, But it's
(32:32):
like the people that I know that speak the language
and do the ceremonies and know these things wouldn't be
stealing a random shirt just to change clothes, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Maybe yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't get there.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Maybe they're just kind of little. I'm just like, hopefully
like white people just don't think we're like I'll just steal.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I know that's that. Maybe that's what part of it
for me was, because I'm like, God, we're just breaking
away from that, you know, right, Yeah, and they kind
of put that whole stereotype back.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
In may Old. But I finally stopped getting like eyeball
at the ball I'm a store is thinking. You know,
they're looking at me suspicious brown.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah, probably because you're looking at weed whackers now and cleaners.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
They're like, oh, she's got.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Money, she's got expensive stuffers, not in the makeup aisle.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Yes, I'm acting my age now. She obviously has a home,
she's she has.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
A yard, she.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Has grass.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
All right, Well, what is our recommendation for the audiences?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Like I said, it's it's a fine movie to watch
like one time, but I mean, I don't think I
would watch it again, you know, m hmm. I wanted
to watch it because I wanted to see Lily Gladstone again,
and you see these other actors, other Native actors and everything.
But yeah, I just was, Yeah, if you're trying to
if you're Native, trying to support other native creative.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Films, it's a good one to see. However, this wouldn't
be something that I would say, like pop borne, make
a night of it or anything. I don't think I
think you'd be a little disappointed if that's what you did.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, but I agree. I think there's other movies that
we were like, yes, go watch this one because that's
a good movie. This one is like, eh, you can
watch it. It's got some good highlight but it's overall
I would love to see this movie redone.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, just a little bit things changed, Yeah, exactly, I
think because well they said too. I read that that
Rokie actress Isabelle, she said that her and Lily didn't
really work together, like have any like stuff to build
chemistry on.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
So you can yeah, you can tell. Yeah, definitely before.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
They started filming, they got thrown into it.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
To get thrown into it, and then they don't have
any downtime like it for this spelt right, She's probably
devoting all of her time. That's probably her only project
she's doing. And then you have Lily Glad running back
into back and forth. You don't have time to read
lines and create that.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Like connection at first, I guess. But this is an
Apple Plus movie. I mean it's like Netflix or you know,
kind of have that kind of expectation of like a
Netflix movie. Yeah, you know, it's not like I mean,
I know Killers of the Flaws to also be Apple,
but that has Marin, whereas like Forrest Whitaker, it's kind
(36:08):
of fallen off.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, it's never a Scorsese. Yeah, I mean she Lily
Gladstone is also an executive producer, but she's still it's
not like she's got millions today.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, Well, I think for a first effort, I don't
know this Erica Trumpling. I think it's her first film.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Actual film, I think she did. Yeah, she's done TV
and then she did a short that I think Lily
Gladstone was also in that as well, so she'll get it. Yeah.
First film, she tackled quite a lot of.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Like, yeah, throw everything in there.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah. So I think that if she would just have
focused on one or two things and then her next
films kind of delve a little more into a different topic. Yeah,
different topic, then she can get that depth while still
you know, creating more films.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
And yeah yeah, and more indigenous actors and even directors, producers, whatever.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah. Yeah, expanding. Yeah, because I I hate to I
hate to see Lily Gladstone type cast too. I would
hate to see that because I feel like there was
a little bit of that here where.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
She's the criminal anti reservation dogs.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah, an she is, and so she's kind of always
plays this rough, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I mean she's kind of got the the lookdown and
that kind of deeper voice.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
She's just kind of yeah, but be like an ex
like an old legend or something like she's at good
at softball.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yes, that's what I'm That's what I'm saying. I want
to see her and something like that. Or I mean,
like you we've seen her at the award shows, like
she's beautiful, like she's she cleans up nice as they say.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
It's it's like a lot of basket ball girls, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
They Yeah, they go from one extreme to the other, like.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Her mely Jack that went fine room has dressed like
her Willie Jack character, and then she's all dressed up
all glam the awards.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You're like, whoa, Dan, she cleans up. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I think that that type of that type of a
transformation type of movie would be really cool too, you know,
just because I like to see her all glammed up
and feminine to not saying anything against butch women or nothing.
I'm just saying you want to see Lily glad to
see Lily Gladstone, and it's something I.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Wanted to really Gladstone going back to her old res
for like the twentieth high school reunion. She's all glammed
up and she's all pretty, and then she gets back
with her her old her old baller team and they
go try to fight with thee the friends or something. Yeah,
(39:03):
the new the new singers. They challenged them to a
basketball game.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Or they have to get in the big independent tournament.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
I gotta battle the young ones. Yeah, they're the old
ones and they got a battle.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Oh my god, that would be hilarious. I would I
would totally watch that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I would watch that.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I would totally watch that.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
And the niece is on the young team. Yeah, I
got a battle here. Yes, that's how I felt. I
played it in a thirty and over. But it ended
up they didn't have enough teams, so they brought in
like younger girls. I had to play against some high
school girls. Like I'm twenty years older than some of
these girls. Now this is I was playing against some
of my teammates kids. So I was like, oh, the
(39:44):
check is going on here. I'm getting old. And they
were all good too. They were like giving me a go.
We won. We won the tournament. Yeah, high schools, but.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Experiences, experience versus young bodies.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
It was a battle, but we beat them. We had
to use the icy hot but I was crapping up
halfway through trying to keep up with them. God, my
teammates are looking at me like, are you coming back
in I'm like, yes, just give me a minute.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Went from three point line three.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
They were fast, and they were so fast. I just like,
I mean, another thing though, too about this movie is
I want happier movies. This other sad? You know about
all of our trauma, all of our trauma. Yeah, another
dead Indian in this movie, right, I was like a
happy movie about us.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Now, yes, we need happy movies, Like.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
At least this was set in modern times. You know
you're right, But now we need like, yes, happy modern
We need a comedy. Yeah, we need.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
A native woman buddy comedy.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yes, so so bad.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Somebody get on that, Louise, but not like this, not
just someone Well.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
You heard it here, guys. We are taking a look
at fancy dance today and uh high points, uh, a
lot of low points. But we're saying a little more. Yeah,
check it out. We want more. We want to support
native films and keep those Native films a common Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
One last little piece of trivia that I got. Rocky
Harjo was a location manager, Rocky Harjo Stirling's brother, and
so I did a little a little investigating. I did
some Facebook Facebook, since.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
We're all one personal, yes, yeah, since we're all six
degrees of separation.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
I saw him on Facebook and back in twenty twenty
two he was putting things out for looking for a
creek in the Oklahoma area, So they must have been
he must have been scouting locations, scouting for this movie,
because remember at the beginning they were in this creek.
Oh yeah, and so he was looking he was scouting
for locations for this movie. Probably, Yeah, so that's kind
(42:22):
of cool.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
That was cool, good detective work.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Yeah. So I said, I'm like, we're all one. That's
why I think it's funny. We have Native celebrities now,
but we're literally like two people, you know, yeah, two
people between us, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yeah, like non natives have six degrees of separation, and
we're like two degrees of separation.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
We're like, oh, that's my cousin, my cousin's cousin.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, yeah, she's my auntie one and then pretty soon
we're cousin, We're that's what works in Indian country.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Guys like we got to be native celebrities now.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Good to see, good to see, and not just old
basketball stars celebrities.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
All right, well give it a.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Watch, guys, Fancy dance. You'll find it on Apple TV,
and keep listening to the Red Gaze, where we'll be
taking on more native themed films and given our feet
hopefully happy yes, happy film all right, see.
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Cheryl Carey, and I am here with my fellow podcasters Marley.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Fins Way and.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Delaine long Feathery. We are here today taking on another
Native themed film, a new one twenty twenty four. Who
how current we are or allied? It's twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Just oh is it?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yes, we're not. We're still an Indian timee twenty twenty three. Yeah,
So today we are taking on Fancy Dance. It is
a twenty twenty three film that is out now on
Apple TV right. Yes, and it had a limited showing
at a couple of theaters, but for the most part,
(01:12):
I think it's been just out on streaming. Yeah, Apple TV.
It got a six point six on IMDb and a
ninety six percent on Rotten Tomatoes. M hm, I know,
I'm the same writer. Director was Erica Tremblay and actors
of course. Jax playing Jack's was Lily Gladstone playing Rokie,
(01:38):
or as I like to call her Roku came calling
her Roku Isabelle Deroy Olson Mcgirl Crystal Lightning playing Sapphire,
and Tamra Putimski played the mean anti Ricky.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, yep, recognized her right, Harry, Yeah, she could play
a scary anti.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yep. She definitely gave a scary anti vibe.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
So the summary for this movie is since her sister's disappearance,
Jacks has cared for her niece Roky by scraping by
on the Seneca Cayuga Reservation in Oklahoma. Every spare minute
goes into finding her missing sister while also helping Rokey
prepare for an upcoming Powell.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That didn't complicated. Yeah, I was gonna say, first of all,
not a very complicated storyline, and then second of all,
that didn't seem like that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, this is giving very very loose over you know
what I mean, it's very broad for everything that they
jam back into this.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And a half hour and a half and a half.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, So what did what did you guys think? Overall?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I thought the beginning was slow and then it kind
of picked up at the end, and then it just
ended and I was like, Okay, I was like Oh,
it's finally picking up and stuff was happening, and then
I just yeah, then it was over. But I wasn't
sad about it either that it ended. I was like, oh, well, oh.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, it gives you this notion that it's going to
be You're going to find all this like resolution at
the end.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah, and then you don't Like I thought like they
would show the family coming together and like forgiving each
other and stuff, and like even though the sister they
found her body at the end, like that was the
thing that would bring her and her family, you know,
because she said she didn't really talk to her dad
very much and stuff, but that would like bring them
all together. But then it just ended.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So yeah, and then you didn't really see anything play out.
It was kind of like a quick shot of a
lake or something, and then they said, oh, they found
her body and then but then he opened up a
pickup door and made it look.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Like yeah, so that was the part that was I mean,
I was trying to figure it out, and I'm wondering,
like I'm wondering if he found her in the truck.
But remember he had asked to borrow that boat from Boo.
I'm wondering if he knew that they were never going
to be able to find her get a warrant for
(04:20):
this scrap yard or yeah, so he took matters into
his own hands and then like took her and then
was able to be like, we found her. Oh, I
don't think about that, because like what was opening the
red truck about?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
You know? Yeah, he didn't answer any of the.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Those It just he opens it and then he's.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And he kind of has this horrified look on his face.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Like he yeah. But then they went into the then
they said they found her body in the river or
the lake or something. So I'm like, well, what the
heck was in that truck?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, that's that's what I was doing. Was it just
dirty like all eight like, oh my god, funian bangs everywhere? Yeah.
I didn't get that either, And that's it's funny that
you kind of had to make this big stretch to
figure out out what the heck where work? Yeah, to
(05:09):
make it work, like the audience had to. I feel
like there's a lot of things in here that was
like that where the audience had to kind of fill
in the blanks because it didn't really tell the story,
Like they just.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Rushed, yeah, to make the movie, and they weren't done writing.
It seemed like they weren't done writing the movie, like
it wasn't fully done.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
That's what I felt like too.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah. Well, and that's what's crazy because they have these
their executive producers is Force Whitakers one of them. So
like you have a big money yeah backer, right there,
how come you couldn't have stretched that out and like,
you know, finished the story a little bit more?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah right then?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Kind of just like it seems like they skipped scenes
that they like took out that probably would have been
like very crucial to help explain some of the things
that happened.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I wonder if they rushed it because I was reading
a lot of articles on this movie. They kept saying, oh,
Lily Gladstone could have been nominated for another award, Like
maybe they're trying to get it done. Maybe there was
a timeline, like they want to get this movie done.
Maybe she got nominated twice. You know, they were saying
that she could have got nominated for I was reading
people saying that they really liked the way she acted
(06:17):
in this movie and they thought she should have been
as I am saying, she probably should have been nominated,
Like they're like, oh, I read some like two or
three different articles saying that about her acting, and that
she could have been nominated twice for Academy Award or
all her awards, you know, that she was cause she
was like the darling this year.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, because
I felt like she was basically playing Hochdi in this movie.
That's who she was, the same character. Yeah, they're just
real deadpen didn't really have a lot of emotion. I
really didn't feel like she cared about her sister all
that much or even her niece. You know, like there
(06:59):
wasn't a whole lot of em there. And I read
this thing. So she actually filmed this in between filming
Killers of the Flower Moon, so it almost seems like
she kind of, oh, let me just run over here
and do some scenes real quick and go back. But
maybe she couldn't get into her character there because.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
She was another character.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, she was on her other character or something, because
I yeah, I felt like she really played this super
flat yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I know, like I remember her saying, it was really
emotionally taxing to play, like, you know, the character that
she did, and Killers of the Flower Moon, so maybe
that affected how she played this character.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, I can imagine, because you would have to, like
you would have to do some heavy duty acting and
then run over here into a totally different space and
try to be at this totally different character. I don't know,
and I don't I mean not that she's a novice actor,
but I don't know if she can do.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
That may be hard for a lot of actors, Yeah, to.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Do double double parts like that. But also with Killers
of the Flower Moon, I mean when it was set
decades and decades ago, and then was probably asked to
play a very stoic Native America and then she's jumping
back on probably the different different the next day, going
to a different set and trying to modern modern native
(08:29):
that you know, shows emotion and how like women are
a essential part of the culture. You're supposed to have
that connectedness with each other, you know. Yeah, because that's
where we're rokey rokey rokie. You know, asked you know
what the word for aunt was, and it's small mother. Yeah,
she was talking about dancing to that Nancy lady and
(08:52):
when she gave her those ballet shoes and like, no.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
It's not about.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Steps, you know, like feeling a connection to that person,
and that's how you know your guys's steps. Yeah, so
it's kind of hard to I mean, I can imagine
where Lily Gladstone didn't have a whole lot of dialogue
and killers the Flower Moon that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
It's like where this movie almost you should be doing
acting with your voice and your body and your emotions
and stuff. And to go from like one extreme to
the other. Yeah, that probably was really hard for her
to try to do.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, So there were some good scenes though, I think
in this movie scenes that I liked. Scenes maybe I
didn't like so much. But what was your favorite scene
in this movie?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I really kind of liked. It was probably the most
emotional part for me. When they you know, she goes
to the they finally make it to the Powo and
Jaxon's looking for Rokie and the mother daughter dance and
she's not out there. But then the next dance they
do is the missing and Murdered People on our song.
Oh yeah, that's where she sees her. Yeah, and it's
(10:06):
kind of like, oh she knows. It's like Rookie understands
now that her mom is gone. And then that's when
they she goes out and they dance together and it's all, you.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Know, like she's being the small mother.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Now yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, that was a good scene too. I would probably
say I liked that. I kept getting taken out by
the way the Powell looked and the announced. They showed
the announcer and I'm like, okay, the announcer. It looks
like a wait kay, didn't sound like a true announcer
MC to me.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You know, at first I thought, who is that? It's
pow Powell. You know, you have the announcer and that's
going to bring like something.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
You've got a cowboy announcing.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, this cowboy announcing. And then I waited all the
way through the end credits and then I looked who
it was and I was like, well, okay, I have
to eat my own words. Yeah, because it's Ryan Redcorn
from fourteen ninety one. And I was like, he's wait
what And so I had to rewint. I didn't look
and he's got like a beard and he's kind of
like bushy.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah, all you see is just the side like and
like I said, he didn't unless that. I've never been
to a Southern Powells. Maybe that's all the MC down there. Yeah,
you know, I mean I heard him kind of saying
like hoka and stuff, but it didn't sound like how
the MC's up here sound, you know. Because it's funny.
I played in some basketball tournaments a couple this year
(11:25):
where they actually had Powell EMC's for some reason, just
multiple like two or three for some reason in different
places they had Powell em c's and I'm like, yee,
it just feels like we're I'm out of Powell even
though like I'm at a basketball tournament, because these guys
are just like they would do the championship game and
they would announce they would have them coming for the
championship game, and they were doing all kinds of stuff
(11:46):
like hokah and stuff, and yeah they were like we
played down in yankedon South Dakota and the announcer down there,
he was speaking Dakota and everything, and I was like, oh,
I just go right at home, like you know, like
I'm out of power and not a basketball tournament. Because
he's kind of like heckling us, like the players and stuff,
(12:09):
like joking with us and everything, and.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He does kind of sound pretty white. He's got hard
rs when he's saying, we're remembering our murdens. What is
this white guy don't have time where comic relief throughout
this whole thing. Yeah, I looked and I was like, oh, man,
I really like that guy.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, I guess. I mean it is hard to be
an MC though, so you know, he obviously I mean
maybe he's an EMC. I don't know, but he didn't
have the kind of EMC skills that I'm used to hearing.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
As soon as I thought that, then when I like
went to kind of rewatch it a little bit, I
had a hard time trying to take it seriously because
he's in the fourteen nine. I've seen so many of
the kids, and I'm just like, oh, it was serious.
He's actually kind of taking this serious a little bit.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, don't find it funny.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I don't know why I'm finding it funny, but for
some reason.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, So I think it's That's probably the only scene
that I really liked do like that was my favorite scene,
is the end scene where they really start dancing. I
kind of wanted to see a little bit more of that,
you know, but then it just went by really fast,
and it was like just yeah, I had way too
many like just moments where it just ended and then
it went to the next scene or whatever. Yeah, all right,
(13:31):
So do you have a favorite character in this movie?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
H there are not many characters either.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
No, there's only a handful of them.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I liked Sapphire, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I like Chris.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I recognized her for Reservation Dogs, yep.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And she's she has expression like I think she's an
to me, she's kind of an underrated actress, you know
what I mean, Like she's in a lot of stuff,
but I think she should be getting more kudos than
she does because she actually shows emotion in her face
and you can see like she uses her body when
she you know, like.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
A normal talking like yeah, yeah, person.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
And whereas the other ones were kind of flat, you know,
like like the dad was real flat, you know, the
Grandma wasn't real you know, like I just want to
I guess I wanted to see more, like it's an
extremely emotional topic in film, and I thought her and then.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I thought they did really good and yeah, little roles
that they had, I can tell they have a lot
of acting experience.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Hamra Podinski played Ricky the mean Auntie, and she was
the only other one too that just really showed a
lot of emotion. She really pulled out that shotgun, you know,
the out of my house, Grandma Beans. You know, I
don't know where she pulled that shotgun between the cushions
(14:56):
or I blinked and I missed it since suddenly she
had a shotgun. Yeah. So there's some little flashes of
good things in here, but I don't know some of
the other things I didn't care for.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
And then I feel like they already did. I mean,
even though I don't really like the movie when River,
they already did the whole thing with the man camps
and young woman missing out at the man camp.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, and there's so many other storylines they could have
went down, like the whole drug thing or the stripper thing,
or it kind of felt like they took us off
course by saying man camps. So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
And then the man camp I have seen did not
look like the man camps up here.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, nice little Yeah, the ones up in Williston were rugged.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yep, some rugged ones. All right, what was probably the
worst part of this movie for you?
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Whenever she like the Rokie shot that oh, the gas station.
I was like, what the heck is going on? I
didn't like, what's gonna happen to her? Now? Like they
got to the powow. Literally, Jax is in so much
trouble because that little her little niece now shot shot
so much cashier. But they went to the powow and.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, everything's there, the other bissing big piece of the puzzle.
She has time to walk away. Jack's through this cornfield
and I don't know, we don't know how far she
walked until she called her dad, her dad, and then
you know, because she said she had to go back,
and the police were there. There was a dispatcher. You
hear that, like, you know, so you'd think that she
(16:43):
would have got picked up, but then she just shows
up to the powow like how yeah, what happened? Yeah,
they just let her go because she's she's all over
as a kidnapped child. Yeah, you know, if they would
have seen her or caught her, she would have went
back to that gas station.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
And a native stands out a little and made a
girl walking around. Somebody's gonna call that in exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So that's more like missing puzzle pieces that were just
like okay, how did we get here?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
We have to like like, were they in Oklahoma City
already or the suburbs? How did she get like to
the Powell.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, did she just wait till what? Because if the
police were there, they would have seen that was a
stolen car. How would she have gotten anywhere?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Another? Like, I kept getting taken out because the little
girl didn't have her phone either. Age they're on our
phones all the time. Yeah, really, you know she didn't
have a phone. And then I have like that I
was recognizing some of the names, like Shawnee. They went
to Shawnee. I have a friend that's from there, and
and like I have friends from Oklahoma. They all have
(17:47):
a Southern accent, Like yeah, none of these guys have
no accent at all, and like they really have a
Southern drawl down there. And oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well I looked at I also look to how big
there resids compared to some of the other resids. It's tiny, yeah,
very tiny, tiny compared to the size of open Yeah.
So it's like how far did they go?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
How far did they have to travel?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah? There was so many plot holes and blanks in
this movie that I couldn't get past. So the bad
guy where this car was was like right in front
of their nose, Like that's one of the first guys
that they went and talked to. So you didn't know
that this guy had some sort of relationship with your sister.
(18:40):
It seemed like, oh, yeah, she's really close to their sister.
Then she didn't know anything about her sister, and so
there was just so many like plot holes. The whole
child welfare thing felt like it was like sort of
wedged in there because.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
They wouldn't care. I know, when does CPS ever care
about any little kids?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
And CPS doesn't make house calls, like they wouldn't come
to your house. It really felt like it was wedged
in there to make it seem like there was all
these barriers and stuff when I don't think it would
have played out that way. I think it should have
been something more believable.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, and then the way like the Native lady too
that came in with the CPS, like just like let them,
like the white grandparents take her niece. She didn't say
one word. I noticed that her the character whoever came
in with CPS was Native, And I'm like, how come
they're just letting them take.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Her yeah, that doesn't happen. There's a whole, big, drawn
out process that has to happen, and so there was
so many plot holes for me and then the whole Okay,
so they were hustling, supposedly getting all this money, and
they showed them with their little jars full of money.
Well where was that money when they were traveling? Because
they kept stealing, they kept stealing, and I was just like,
(20:03):
they're trying to make these characters sympathetic to the audience,
but then they're stealing every chance they get, and they
show like Rokie stealing stuff just basically deal stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, and it's like and then they randomly show her
get mad at the nies like why are you stealing?
And I'm like, you guys been stealing this whole time,
why are you mad now.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So one of the things that made me think about
this whole like stealing story arc, like what was the
whole purpose of it? Is because when Jax or whatever
gets to the Powow and she starts looking around, there's
a powow chair sitting there, and she takes off her
jacket and steals the jacket that's on the chair and
(20:52):
puts it on. For what nobody saw you. If they did,
who would care? So what was the point of taking
the shirt and putting this other shirt on? Like it
was a random, random thievery that decided.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Stealing shan stealing?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, what was that all about? Why was that relevant
or what?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
And they had like all she got the thing.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, she gets mad at her for stealing at that
one place, Like they didn't just break into a house
like yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Didn't steal some ladies car that had a baby. Yeah,
for real.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
It's supposed to make them look like they're struggling.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
But she said she was struggling to make fifty dollars
and her sister's been missing for two weeks. How do
they have that house? How do they have the house
that they're living in? She couldn't be the only one
working as a stripper, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Well, and that was a nice house, I mean there
was nice things in there, could have hocd all kinds
of stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Well then she was saying, well, we could just catch
a ride to the powow. Yeah, that's what most like
rezumes would do. You know, I have just blin that,
you know, been like ten Bucks for gas, Bucks for
gas here and there.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, that was I guess the thing about this movie
is I had I struggled to try to connect things and.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Try to make un out of the suspension of belief.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I just had to be like, Okay, I guess this
is what happened, this is how we end up here.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Yeah. That was the first thing that took me out
was the child the CPS thing. I'm like, that would
I don't think that would happen. Yeah, exactly quickly either.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
And what was trust frustrating is that they're just like,
so their dad had not been a part of their
lives for so long, and like, you know, he remarried.
He's white, remarried this white lady, and then you know,
nobody's been looking for for Taoi for these two weeks
she's been missing. And then the second the white grandparents
(22:54):
get involved into it, then they were on TV just
like saying she was kidnapped and they just wanted her
that's safe, like, and then it went to national news immediately.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I guess I understand why they wanted to put it
in there, because they want to make the point that
the FBI gets involved when it's non natives and stuff.
But to be honest, like the FBI don't give a
crap no matter what, you know, Like they just don't.
I think they could have made the point in a
different way.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
And I did like that they kept saying. They kept
going between it's tribal, it's federal tribal. They kept bouncing,
because that does happen in real life. Yeah, that's something
that does if somebody goes missing. I don't know how
many times I heard that. Yeah, like we've.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Had that jurisdiction.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yeah, I had that Olivia Loan Bear up in Newtown.
That's why it took so long to find her. And
like it wasn't even the police that found her, was
civilians because they kept saying, well, it's your yeah you
got to look for her. No, you got to like, like,
why does that take so long for somebody to comunity?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Was the one who liked put together, And yeah, that
was a good thing that they included in this is
showing that the family and the community were all walking
around they have to do it because yeah, the police
aren't going to do it. If I aren't going to
do it, you know.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Just go back and forth and say, yeah, you it's
your jurisdiction.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Passing the book, yep, exactly. That was one of the
other scenes that I liked was.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
The great search scene.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, when the grandma, when the grandma was saying say
her name, Oh yeah, say her name, you know, because
I think that's another thing that that was believable. A
grandma saying you got to say her name, you got
to keep saying her name, you got to keep calling her.
That made sense to me. And then seeing Cheese's grandma
was yeah, a reminiscing scene. Jesus grandma was cool. But
(24:48):
that was only other scenes that I really liked. Everything
else really made me feel like I had to stretch. Yeah,
you know, like I had to.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
That was a writing. I think it could have been
a better movie. I think maybe they seem to write,
rewrite it a couple more times, or you know, come
up some different ideas.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Call sit up.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I think stick to one topic that you're gonna show
because again, this to me, this falls into the category
of a native movie trying to cram too much into it.
You know, like you got the child welfare thing, you
got the struggling thing, you got the power thing, the
MMI w thing that the man can so it's all
(25:30):
these topics, trying to squeeze in all these topics when
it's really you know, just take one topic and do
it really well so people can go along with you
and feel the story with you and not just have
the film the place.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yes, I wish they would have. I mean, I know
they were showing I feel like they were doing a
lot of telling with the relationship between Roki and Jack's. Yeah,
you know, I didn't feel that anti niece connection between them,
and I wish they would have showed them having like
fun here and there because I felt like everything was so.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
The only time they felt it looked or felt like
they were kind of close in any way is after
she got her moon and yeah, she took her to
go eat and you know, said you could have whatever
you want. That was the only time she was ever
like being that auntie and just being like carrying like,
hey kid, this happened to you. Yeah, let's celebrate you.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
And that was the only time that they were ever
really like played kind of close, except for the very
end scene.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
You know. Yeah, we liked the ending, but I just
feel like it was it was nothing was really built
up to that where they were dancing together. Like I
didn't really get that relationship between them.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, and they and they were mad at each other
when they left each other, and then they came back
and there's dancing. So even that too was kind of
a little It was cool, but it was also kind
of a stretch too. You had you had to assume
that there was a good relationship enough.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah, this movie didn't make me want to see like
an anti.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Niece movie though, one good one yeah, where they could
have Yeah, they could have had.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
A lot like Powell Highway or something. Yeah, the anti
giving knowledge to the niece somehow.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
So one of the things my son watched this movie too,
and so we kind of went back and forth because
because I brought up the whole stealing thing, you know,
like constantly stealing, and he was like, whoa, you know,
it's a it's a struggle, you know. He got that part,
like he was like he was trying to justify and say, well,
it's a struggle and stuff, and I was like, but
there's a million other ways that Native people hustle, you know,
(27:40):
for money, and kind.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Of had like Jax be a beaters.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
She was sewing and making her own regalia Yeah, that
was another thing. Get rid of some of your old regalia.
You could sell that hand me down.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
It's nice, someone will take it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
So so they could have killed two birds with one
stone by like having them do things together to make money.
That would have made more sense to me than like
the whole stealing stealing the whole movie.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And it did kind of set it up for That's
what I thought initially, because at very beginning of the movie,
you see them, I mean they did start stealing right
off the bat, from the whole, but they had went
to that market and like Rokie was, you know, she
was like trying to play that find the corn like games.
So she was already kind of doing like a little
hustle for a couple of dollars. And then yeah, Jack's
(28:31):
had like what was it, She said something about like
red clover or something.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Oh, yeah, she was selling some storaging.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Or something to bring back and you know sell. So
it's like, why couldn't you just made that their thing,
like the aunt nice type of thing. They go out,
they forwarage, the forage together, and you know, then they
come back and.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Make stuff together, stuff together.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, and then that could have funded their whole thing
without having you, then you could have eliminated the stealing
yeah away and if it's.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And it would have made more sense.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And there's smalls like you didn't know somebody from the
next reserver that you could have just like crashed on
their couch or right.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I agree, I agree totally. They could have built up
that relationship in so much better way without having to
show stealing.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
I don't know, I feel like that's where like that
was like their being bonding thing, was they're stealing stuff
together or she's teaching Jackson's teaching rookie to like be
a criminal.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
And steal, Like why why is it bringing why are
you doing crimes bringing together? Instead of like trying to
solve the crime.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Mom point of it was trying to get to the
power and find her mom.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Instead, they just made the movie about like Luis on
the Run the Native film.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah you like so Yeah, this film struggled. I think good.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
It had very good intentions. It had great intentions, It
just didn't execute it right because I read that what's
her name, Tremblay, she used this movie to try to
revitalize the Cayuga language because you know, throughout the whole
switching back and forth between speaking Cayuga and then to English. Yeah,
(30:27):
and so a big thing with that was I did
a little research on that, and the last fluent language
speaker died in like nineteen eighty nine, so just like
you know, that was the last fluent speaker. So she's
trying to use this platform to try to you know,
try to revitalize and great revitalization of that language. And
(30:50):
so I appreciated that part. I liked that, but I
just think that she needed it, just needed a little
more help. Yeah, something they needed something I don't like.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Did any Oklahoma Natives I wonder, like help with this story.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Oh, I guess I didn't look that part up. But
they did use like Southern like at the pow wow
the trail that they were talking about those are that's
the second Southern songs.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah. I was like, well I got that right.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Scene was actually up there in terms like on our
on our little hierarchy of Powo scenes about of like
not wasn't one of those super fakey ones. It was
a real legit pow scene. That was cool. And I
do I do like the fact that they use the
language a lot but to me, I couldn't get past like,
(31:47):
if you're a language speaker and if you know your
culture to the point where you know what to do
in a becoming woman ceremony and you know how to
for it and you know the land, then you're probably
not a thief. Probably grew up in a family that
(32:08):
taught you good, good values, and so making making it
I guess again, it seemed like they shoehorned in the hole, Oh,
we have to steal to do this, when it's like, no,
there were so many other things. But I don't know,
I get I got caught up in that right away.
Maybe that's just I was being judging mcjudgerson, But it's
(32:32):
like the people that I know that speak the language
and do the ceremonies and know these things wouldn't be
stealing a random shirt just to change clothes, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Maybe yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't get there.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Maybe they're just kind of little. I'm just like, hopefully
like white people just don't think we're like I'll just steal.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I know that's that. Maybe that's what part of it
for me was, because I'm like, God, we're just breaking
away from that, you know, right, Yeah, and they kind
of put that whole stereotype back.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
In may Old. But I finally stopped getting like eyeball
at the ball I'm a store is thinking. You know,
they're looking at me suspicious brown.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah, probably because you're looking at weed whackers now and cleaners.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
They're like, oh, she's got.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Money, she's got expensive stuffers, not in the makeup aisle.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Yes, I'm acting my age now. She obviously has a home,
she's she has.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
A yard, she.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Has grass.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
All right, Well, what is our recommendation for the audiences?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Like I said, it's it's a fine movie to watch
like one time, but I mean, I don't think I
would watch it again, you know, m hmm. I wanted
to watch it because I wanted to see Lily Gladstone again,
and you see these other actors, other Native actors and everything.
But yeah, I just was, Yeah, if you're trying to
if you're Native, trying to support other native creative.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Films, it's a good one to see. However, this wouldn't
be something that I would say, like pop borne, make
a night of it or anything. I don't think I
think you'd be a little disappointed if that's what you did.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, but I agree. I think there's other movies that
we were like, yes, go watch this one because that's
a good movie. This one is like, eh, you can
watch it. It's got some good highlight but it's overall
I would love to see this movie redone.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, just a little bit things changed, Yeah, exactly, I
think because well they said too. I read that that
Rokie actress Isabelle, she said that her and Lily didn't
really work together, like have any like stuff to build
chemistry on.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
So you can yeah, you can tell. Yeah, definitely before.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
They started filming, they got thrown into it.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
To get thrown into it, and then they don't have
any downtime like it for this spelt right, She's probably
devoting all of her time. That's probably her only project
she's doing. And then you have Lily Glad running back
into back and forth. You don't have time to read
lines and create that.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Like connection at first, I guess. But this is an
Apple Plus movie. I mean it's like Netflix or you know,
kind of have that kind of expectation of like a
Netflix movie. Yeah, you know, it's not like I mean,
I know Killers of the Flaws to also be Apple,
but that has Marin, whereas like Forrest Whitaker, it's kind
(36:08):
of fallen off.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, it's never a Scorsese. Yeah, I mean she Lily
Gladstone is also an executive producer, but she's still it's
not like she's got millions today.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, Well, I think for a first effort, I don't
know this Erica Trumpling. I think it's her first film.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Actual film, I think she did. Yeah, she's done TV
and then she did a short that I think Lily
Gladstone was also in that as well, so she'll get it. Yeah.
First film, she tackled quite a lot of.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Like, yeah, throw everything in there.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah. So I think that if she would just have
focused on one or two things and then her next
films kind of delve a little more into a different topic. Yeah,
different topic, then she can get that depth while still
you know, creating more films.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
And yeah yeah, and more indigenous actors and even directors, producers, whatever.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah. Yeah, expanding. Yeah, because I I hate to I
hate to see Lily Gladstone type cast too. I would
hate to see that because I feel like there was
a little bit of that here where.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
She's the criminal anti reservation dogs.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah, an she is, and so she's kind of always
plays this rough, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I mean she's kind of got the the lookdown and
that kind of deeper voice.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
She's just kind of yeah, but be like an ex
like an old legend or something like she's at good
at softball.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yes, that's what I'm That's what I'm saying. I want
to see her and something like that. Or I mean,
like you we've seen her at the award shows, like
she's beautiful, like she's she cleans up nice as they say.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
It's it's like a lot of basket ball girls, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
They Yeah, they go from one extreme to the other, like.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Her mely Jack that went fine room has dressed like
her Willie Jack character, and then she's all dressed up
all glam the awards.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You're like, whoa, Dan, she cleans up. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I think that that type of that type of a
transformation type of movie would be really cool too, you know,
just because I like to see her all glammed up
and feminine to not saying anything against butch women or nothing.
I'm just saying you want to see Lily glad to
see Lily Gladstone, and it's something I.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Wanted to really Gladstone going back to her old res
for like the twentieth high school reunion. She's all glammed
up and she's all pretty, and then she gets back
with her her old her old baller team and they
go try to fight with thee the friends or something. Yeah,
(39:03):
the new the new singers. They challenged them to a
basketball game.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Or they have to get in the big independent tournament.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
I gotta battle the young ones. Yeah, they're the old
ones and they got a battle.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Oh my god, that would be hilarious. I would I
would totally watch that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I would watch that.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I would totally watch that.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
And the niece is on the young team. Yeah, I
got a battle here. Yes, that's how I felt. I
played it in a thirty and over. But it ended
up they didn't have enough teams, so they brought in
like younger girls. I had to play against some high
school girls. Like I'm twenty years older than some of
these girls. Now this is I was playing against some
of my teammates kids. So I was like, oh, the
(39:44):
check is going on here. I'm getting old. And they
were all good too. They were like giving me a go.
We won. We won the tournament. Yeah, high schools, but.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Experiences, experience versus young bodies.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
It was a battle, but we beat them. We had
to use the icy hot but I was crapping up
halfway through trying to keep up with them. God, my
teammates are looking at me like, are you coming back
in I'm like, yes, just give me a minute.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Went from three point line three.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
They were fast, and they were so fast. I just like,
I mean, another thing though, too about this movie is
I want happier movies. This other sad? You know about
all of our trauma, all of our trauma. Yeah, another
dead Indian in this movie, right, I was like a
happy movie about us.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Now, yes, we need happy movies, Like.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
At least this was set in modern times. You know
you're right, But now we need like, yes, happy modern
We need a comedy. Yeah, we need.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
A native woman buddy comedy.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yes, so so bad.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Somebody get on that, Louise, but not like this, not
just someone Well.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
You heard it here, guys. We are taking a look
at fancy dance today and uh high points, uh, a
lot of low points. But we're saying a little more. Yeah,
check it out. We want more. We want to support
native films and keep those Native films a common Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
One last little piece of trivia that I got. Rocky
Harjo was a location manager, Rocky Harjo Stirling's brother, and
so I did a little a little investigating. I did
some Facebook Facebook, since.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
We're all one personal, yes, yeah, since we're all six
degrees of separation.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
I saw him on Facebook and back in twenty twenty
two he was putting things out for looking for a
creek in the Oklahoma area, So they must have been
he must have been scouting locations, scouting for this movie,
because remember at the beginning they were in this creek.
Oh yeah, and so he was looking he was scouting
for locations for this movie. Probably, Yeah, so that's kind
(42:22):
of cool.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
That was cool, good detective work.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Yeah. So I said, I'm like, we're all one. That's
why I think it's funny. We have Native celebrities now,
but we're literally like two people, you know, yeah, two
people between us, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yeah, like non natives have six degrees of separation, and
we're like two degrees of separation.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
We're like, oh, that's my cousin, my cousin's cousin.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, yeah, she's my auntie one and then pretty soon
we're cousin, We're that's what works in Indian country.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Guys like we got to be native celebrities now.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Good to see, good to see, and not just old
basketball stars celebrities.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
All right, well give it a.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Watch, guys, Fancy dance. You'll find it on Apple TV,
and keep listening to the Red Gaze, where we'll be
taking on more native themed films and given our feet
hopefully happy yes, happy film all right, see.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Y'all, lads, Flutes and feathers, eagles cross, No more saviors,
no more lies waiting for better days.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
We'll be here with our reg guys.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
Hi hey, hi, here here
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