September 24, 2024 • 52 mins
The second film in the Free Willy franchise pits Jesse and Willy against Big Oil. Check out this episode of the Red Gaze to hear why whales are Tribal and what that means for Willy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warrior Jim Band again, bad you bud us on us
green dyed with paints and wigs and old end days, everything.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
But our red guys.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hi yo, hi, hi yoho yore.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Here, Hey, everybody, welcome to the Red Gaze.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
We are back for Whale week. Oh no, that sounded
more like a seal.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I need to know what a whale sounds like, because
how can he just We'll get to it.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
But yeah, all right, well, if you haven't guessed it
by now, we are taking on Free Willy two, the
second in the Free Willy series. I am your host,
Cheryl Carrie, and I'm here with my fellow podcasters, the
senior Collins Rising Sun.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And I say senior because we got our two youngins here,
Zoey Landed Hello, Helo, and Elijah Landon Yo, a new podcaster.
Gotta get some youngin's here who didn't know Free Willy
from way back in the day.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
And I know how I know it whatsoever?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Okay, before we jump in, though, we have two things.
We got a terrible review, which I would like to
do a little house cleaning on.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Alright, let's do it.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
We got a one star review for the Outlaw Josie Wells,
and this guy wrote like three paragraphs on us wait
iTunes or the Eye the Eye podcast or whatever. This
guy I tried listening to episode eighty seven and had
to stop. The podcast lost all credibility with me due
to exchanges like this one. Has Clintie always been slightly racist?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Look every time he made that movie. I think that
was just so he could say a racial slur all
the time. Like this guy got so mad, He's like,
I mean, nobody never, right mind, is going to be
a clint East apologist, especially me, giving this personal and
cinematic propensity for missogyny and right wing fascism.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Is you a racist?
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Maybe I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
But this guy just went on about like, how is
Hannibal Lecter a cannibal because he did movies where he
ate somebody? Like no, dude, Like, I'm pretty sure there's
a little nuance and everything. But if you repeatedly make
movies where you can and write movies where you can
say a racial slur, I think we can definitely start
talking about it. I agree, Like you can have the
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leanings and artistic leeway I guess you would say, but
I think we can safely say that he's a racist.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I mean, didn't we say like before, I think we
talked about this about like all these Western films, like
there's no way they can really make them good, and
I don't know why we keep resorting back to it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Right, So, if you're listening to us, give us a
five star. This guy gave us a one.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
It's good that this guy is angry about us calling
that out, because that's what we're here for. It means
we're doing our job as the red case, Like we're
calling out the things that are problematic in movies, and
that's definitely problematic. There's very little times when people can
like callin says punch up. You know, a lot of
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times films have to really be careful about who they criticize.
And it's about time someone called that out in his movies.
He does tend to do that.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So, I mean, that's what our pod is for. I mean,
even if it is controversial.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
They'll hook us up with a couple of five starts
here if you're like listening to us.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
So we're taking on free WILLI two this week. It
was put out in nineteen ninety five, following obviously the
first free Willie and I got a five point one
on IMDb and a fifty percent on Rotten Tomatoes and.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
An audience forty two, which is crazy because usually the
audience is way better than critics.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
The critics Yeah in this film, which is it's a sequel,
I mean Free Willy, then Free Willy two, then there's
eighty four, and then I guess like Dolphin Boy or
something I don't know. Pretty crazy. So the description says, good.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Okay, and this sequel to the popular first installment. Jesse
is now a teenage living with his adoptive parents when
his half brother Elvis, shows up on the heels of
their mother's death. When Jesse learns that an oil spill
is threatening his old friend Willie the Orca, he enlists
his crush Nadine and Elvis in an attempt to save
the friendly whales from the spill and the greedy businessman.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
What do you guys think of this movie?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It was worth watching, but I would not watch it again.
I kind of enjoyed it, It depends on the scenes.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I liked it. It just was the remind me of
the first one.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
A lot just took me like because I watched both
these in their theaters as a kid, and I remember
getting this as a video and just being pumped to
watch it, Like I remember being in trouble and my
mom let me stay up to watch it.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Like I can't remember what I did.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
It was a privilege.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Yeah, I was supposed to be in trouble, but we
got this movie. And so in the movie, remember that
little like necklace he gives them. I'm not sure it
was DVDs yet, but like the movie came with a
little necklace.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
Oh my god, you got a little whales.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah, you got with the whale necklace. So I got
to I got to keep the whale necklace.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Did you feel connected to Randolph after that?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh my god, I wore then. I think Marley's brother
Chris made fun of me.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
There's no whales in North Dakota.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I think Chris fin made fun of me. Look at
this guy. And then I couldn't make it. I don't know.
It was a little meaner r I p but.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So nice speaking to the catfish or what.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
That's just like when Dylane was young, Titanic was out
and she got something with the Heart of the Ocean pendant.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oh the stone, yeah, that diamond diamond.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
She was all pumped about that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I think it was a good watch.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
I don't never never in my life, I've never heard
of it, And then hearing that it was popular was
kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Super popular. I just didn't know that.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
I've never never heard of it in my life.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
You young'ins are so cynical, That's why it was a
whole different age.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Yeah, this is a franchise, this is what nineteen ninety three, Yeah,
ninety five, ninety five, even that these are both before
like the animal was born, so like, it's not something
that I would ever think of to like go back
and look, but you could tell how much of an
impact it probably had, Like and.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, because I had no clue. I just know me
and Elijah were watching it, and then my aunt had
come in and she was like, oh, is this Free Willy?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And I was like, I was like, why do you
know this is this movie? Yeah, definitely knew it was
a big thing because so I looked had to look
up the dates. But this was like a few years
after the exon Veldi's oil spill, which was the largest
oil spill ever in the world or second largest now,
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but at the time it was the largest oil spill
it's just like millions of gallons of oil got spilled
into the ocean, and so it was like a really
big thing. M and these and these movies were real
inspirational to you know what I mean. You got the
dramatic music. Yeah, it's a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Did you watch the first one?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Oh yeah, so definitely, because like I know that we're
gonna do Free Willy too, and I was like, there's
no way we're gonna watch the second without watching the first.
So we sat down and watched the first one one night,
and then the second one the next night, and then
tomorrow we're gonna watch the third, and then the series
and then the fourth in the series. No, but uh yeah, definitely.
I wanted to get a grasp on what the idea
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and like how the the tone of the movie, or
like get an idea of how the series was in general.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
So I'm in on Free Willy.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I've always been a Free Willly fan.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
How I've been saying I wanted to do this though, Yeah,
no one ever listens to me, and then everyone's like, yeah,
this was actually really good. I really liked this because
it was like as a kid, when you see sequels
not everybody comes back, but everybody is back for this one, like,
and it's so cool to me that, like, because it's
always like they changed somebody or somebody Lori Petty.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
I did see a review that said it would have
been better with Lori Petty.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
What would she have done though, because they're not in
a place anymore. She was a trainer, right, Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I did like her. Okay, that's the one that's in
the league of our own, right.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Yeah, her, like as a marine biologist, because wasn't that
what she was studying for? Yeah, and then she could
she could have worked.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
She was she got yeah, she was. She got hot
at that time, so she probably was doing other movies.
I would guess, all right, what do you guys got
for a favorite scene?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I have, uh the swimming the swimming underwater scene, remember,
like kind of in the beginning where they're like swimming
with the under the water with them Like that was cool.
Another one is when he tells his brother the story
from the first.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Movie, Oh, the traditional STF.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I like that because that reminded me of being a
kid and like you're just telling stories on a cookout
or something or like ye're they're in a tent they're camping,
like that's a cool just that whole like vibe.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It just reminds me of like.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
How cool that would actually be to be with your
brothers or your family and they're telling you a story.
And the medicine scene was cool. I remember as a
kid like kind of doing that, like putting dirt on
my hand and then beeling like seeing if I could
taste it in my.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Mouth observing it. Yeah, I was like, oh man, I
wonder if that's everything.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
No, but I know what you mean too, like about
like the passing down stories, because like that kind of
also gave me like that in Echo, remember the beginning
when she's telling the story the two oh right, the
two little ones are in that tent in the back
and telling stories. I do like that though, because it's
like having trying to learn that connection because obviously both
the brothers are disconnected regardless, and then you have to
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see that growth in the film, because I know that's
supposed to be like the character development, which is Elvis.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, I hated that kid.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I think everybody he was such a little stereotype.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
To me, I felt like he was a little walking
kid stereotype. I got my cousin Vinnie Vibes a right
favorite scene.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
I mean maybe not for the good reasons, but like
when Elvis ran away for the right not for the reasons,
like when the music hit. It was just the timing.
It was like kind of comedic. It has to be
my favorite because I was like the one time where
I actually, like genuine and genuinely laughed no, because.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I feel like when we were watching it, we're like
trying to get a feel for the movie, and like
you know, you're trying to feel like the feelings of
the emotions of the characters. So I mean, that's kind
of sad. And then just the music started playing when
I don't know, I was utilized, just started up.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
It was like two on the nose, like they were
making fun of it almost, you know, like it would
be a parody something. Literally, I was like, if you're
making fun of free Willy, they just did it. They
just did the best scene themselves.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
That has to be my favorite scene, just because of
the comedic timing.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
It was too good, too good in case he didn't
know how to feel at that moment.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
No thing. Everybody's like bad about it, you know, but
I would say my voice I think one of my
favorite parts when the kid when Elvis starts kind of
opening up, like not necessarily opening up, but he was
just like, yeah, mom, mom was a liar. She she
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left me, you know, or she she she said she
loved me. She left me. And I was like, I
was like, damn. I was like about that. I just
felt connected. No. I like that because then you can
kind of get a feel for like trying, because they're trying.
But it's hard to get connected to a character that
wasn't in the first film. So I was just like, okay,
you know, but yeah, I do like the scenic shots too.
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And I was just like, oh my gosh, Avatar way
the water, it's literally all it gave me. I was like,
I just had nostalgia.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I was like, oh, but my favorite part about those
scenes is that that's the only clue that you had
was that Nadine was a Native girl because she looked white.
She was a whitey like me, but she was She
swims in in jeane chunks. Only Native girls.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Swim in jeane chunks, and she is not Native. Actually
she's not. I was hoping she wasn't even trying to look,
but she is not.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, first of the Brandall's size kind of to me off.
I was like, wait, I was like, look him up,
is he actually dripping? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I just know that it was everything he did, not Rember.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
He's always like we said it last pot.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
But he's always like a side character like this, like
how he's ran off in this, and he's in he's
a big part of the movie, but not He's never.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
He's never like a main character. He's always kind of
like a side character, background character. He's in the movie
for a little bit, but you see him. No, he's never,
never the main character. And he's been in a ton
of movies.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I just don't think I recognize him.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
My favorite scene was the little scene where Jesse and
his foster dad are talking and because his little brother Elvis,
goes and tells him that he saw him kissing, like
that's h dude, and he's like, you know that leads
to other stuff and he's like what and he goes
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sex and he's.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Like what because he's talking about the wheels, talking about
the intimacy, and then he's like, I'm basically an expert,
like I know all these things. He hYP himself up
and then I was like, Oh, I don't know if
that's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
What. It was just a cute little scene because it's
such a wholesome movie, so kind of made me laugh.
I like that scene the character to act like this,
he too, all right, did you guys have a name moment?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yes, that he knows Willie by his sounds. It's true,
like they're just hearing random whale sounds.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's like, oh my god, it's.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Shut up.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
You met this whale for like two months and you
can tell him all the whale sounds out of all
the whales the world.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, you can specify this one.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Will He is that necklace, it's in his soul. He's connected.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
What's that guy's name, what's what's the native in the
story's name in the in the story that they tell.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Nostala?
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, now now now he's him. Now he's now he's
the white version of him. So my best scene was
then swimming with the whales in the water, but my
name is him, Like oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
It was also kind of cool, but I was like,
get out of here. That whale is not letting you
ride him.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
My name moment kind of related to that too, where
they the oil tanker crashed or whatever. And then Jesse's
sleeping in that tent, all of a sudden he wakes up.
He runs, he just knows no because.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
With the whale sounds too, that crecked me up. I'm like,
because remember Elvis comes back, and I was just like,
you guys gotta get up. They're like, yeah, okay, because
he already lied once, so they're like whatever. And then
he's like no, like you guys gotta come help, like
the oils bill blah blah blah. Then you hear the
sounds of the whales. Did the parents bold get up?
And I was like, oh my god, okay, they just knew.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I was wondering about that because so I had to
look back and see when when Dances with Wolves came out.
So it came out like right before this, right before
Free Willing and Free Willing too, So I was thinking,
so it had been out for a few years dances,
and maybe that's why this version of free willly was
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like a little more sacret, you know, like there was more.
There was the medicine, There was Randolph saying that song.
Oh yes, there was the just knowing and the soul
connection and all of that, And I was like, was
that a dance intentional influence?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It was one of those things where they hit it
just right the last movie, Like they hit it just right.
They're like more of this, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, some executive producers somewhere is like, we need to
ramp up the native Yeah, exactly, kick it up, kick
it up a notch.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
But like they did the exact amount last movie. You
know what I mean, it was perfect.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
It wasn't overdoing it.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, it was perfect, feel natural. But yeah, this is
like do it again.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Yeah, we need more native stuff. Like I really like
the medicine scene, but then yeah, there was just too much.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Now.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, I think they went a little overboard and they
took it past the we're acceptable before.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, I think too. Like Jesse and he's like chanting
something like.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Oh yeah that little prayer.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, I could not. I was like, okay, buddy, you
almost had to be in it, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I was like, man, come on.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
You know you do that. You know he's gonna start singing.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, he's got a war whoop.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
If he wore who oh my god, came out and
if he came out and fringed anything, just do this
is enough. That's all.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
He needs.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
That's that's in the reboot when he when he's Randolph.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Yeah. Well at least they didn't go northern plains either.
They stayed coastal, so that was good, all right. Any
other nacenes you guys had, I.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Would say the climax because I feel like at the
or towards the end, when they're trapped in the fire,
how is Jesse not able to swim? That's like the
one thing he does. And he's just like struggling to swim,
and he's so hard he just starts drowning. I'm like, whoa,
you swim your whole thing, this.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Is your whole gig. What's going on here?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
He got the yips? He got the yips. He forgot.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
That's their whole thing. Is still with the whale? How
you're not able to swim?
Speaker 6 (18:29):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
No, no, okay, So maybe the whale saved him from
learning how to swim in the first place. Remember he
almost drowned in the first movie too.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
He like knocked himself, He like knocked himself out. He
slipped and hit his concrete hard.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Besides that, but remember, because me and Elijah like, because
this movie is very predictable, I don't know like I
think just everybody can. Yeah, because you know how it's
gonna go in. Elijah kept calling out every single thing
that's gonna happen, so like, watch, this is gonna happen.
I know it because remember he drops his harmonica when
he's having his own little moment. Oh yeah, and it
goes the water. I was like no, and I was
like wait, watch watch. I was like, Willy's gonna pick
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it up. And then he's just like, He's like, I
don't know. And then Willy popped up. I was like, no, watch,
it's gonna be in his mouth, and he opened up
his mouth and then you bust out laughing in like
five feet of.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Water in the dock. Yeah, they got a huge killer whale,
huge killer whale to fit.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
There was a lot more whale scenes that I've noticed
in this one because it was it wasn't real Willy,
it was animatronic this one.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah. I did hear that too.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
They use a lot more animal in this one because
they were trying to actually save Keiko at this time.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
So this is actually this is all based off of
that whale.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Then yeah, well I don't think the whole story is
based off of it, but like there was a whole
awareness series of events that happened after the movie came out.
Trying to let the actual whale that acted in the movie, yes,
Willy the whale actor the whale, but yeah, trying to
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get in free our.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Killer whales, only ones that were like save them, because like,
I mean, I know that, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
What we're going to save, you know, we just take
our time saving for a while. We were twenty twelve.
I don't know if you guys were well enough for that.
Remember Cony twenty twelve. No, I remember that we were
trying to save Africa.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, we go on our kicks.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, we go through cycles.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Free to bat We're free the whales now it's I
mean Palestine, you know, yeah, go through cycles.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Whales were for a while though. They've been on a
stretch though, because I kind of went into a deep
dive I was really researching Orcas and found out that
there they went through a run there in the seventies
where they were overly harvested for marine shows like SeaWorld
and stuff, and so they actually decimated the population because
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all these hunters were taking them out of the ocean
and putting them into these shows and stuff. So yeah,
so free I think the free the whales has been
around for a long time.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, because I think I went to like in Chicago,
I went to like an aquarium and we saw like
blues like those. One was like the big old heads, right, yeah, Okay,
I think we saw like a couple of those because
we've been to an aquarium. And then I started like
doing a little bit more like research on it was like, actually,
this is really sad. I don't ever want to go
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to one again. I know it is.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I haven't been with Zoo in a long time. I
stopped going to zoos.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I saw this thing that I saw this thing that
compared the taking of the Orca whales and putting them
in the shows to removing native kids and putting them
into boarding schools. Because did you guys know this? This
is this is my deep dive too, that orcas are
tribal so Orca whales, of all the Orca whales that
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live in the ocean, they actually have distinct differences, not
just the pods like the pods of the families, but
they have like distinct groups that are different. So they
have their own DNA, they have their own social cues.
They have their own language, they have their own like
rituals that they do in their group, and there's and
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they're all over the world and they're they're all one,
but they're different.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
You know, their own thing going on.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
So they're like tribes.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Well, because that's what the joke with the pod within
the pod, because remember that's what they say they travel
in their little pods.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So that makes tribe.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
When I read that, I was like, oh my god,
that's you know, like that's why like their their tribes
and their tribal animals because they stay within their tribe
and and they're still like connect with other whales, but
they stick to their tribe.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
So it's like what Yeah, just like how I wrap
standing around in the s.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Well, we have pure loves because Dan don't give us ship.
I was just to tell you.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Decide this my mom did.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
When we start drilling underneath the water and ruin it.
I'm switching to Northern Chyanne. Though when you hear us
the ruin lakes cockwit.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm a ch I don't even know what someone yeah
the oil.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah. Oh so like I also with your research on wheels,
I mean, lads were talking about like their mammals. And
I was like, okay, so like they have to breathe,
and then we went down the same little rabbit hole.
He's like, yeah, they gotta breathe every fifteen minutes. And
I was like, they have to breathe every fifteen minutes.
So how do they sleep? And I guess they just
shut off one side of their brain and then they
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go back and forth. They'll just shut one side off
to sleep on one side, and then they'll turn it
back on shut the other one off. They take turns,
switching back and forth.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
And I was like, that's in the sane coast along
the surface of the water while they're brain is switching over.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
If you wake up just like super far away.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Become conscious on the other side of the land, they're like,
oh my god, oh where am I?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
They can swim up to like one hundred miles.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
A day, holy smooth whale.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Like neighborhoods, you know they do.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
It's part of being tribal.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
They have.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
That's they have little So there's like Northern Wales and
southern exactly looking up.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Outside Wales sick.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
Wait, So they do they bully each other? If they're
like are they like the wrong.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
They're low key like climbing and they come over to you,
so they might be they might be colonized a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Starting someone who's like has very little white spots.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Spots swimming a little, you're swimming a little.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
By the way he swims.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You can tell what side of the tracks he's from.
It's crazy. I did not know that actually.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Also went down this other rabbit hole. How do orcs
communicate and orca populations? Knowledge is passed down to younger individuals.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
From their elders, so they are natives.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
What to eat and where to find it, how to
catch it, and calls unique to pods and family groups,
and the distinct accent of the population. They even have accents, what.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Even got their own, Like signals should be like war
whooping across.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
So maybe you know, maybe not crazy, that home is
actually tuned.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It was tuned, tune to the right tribe, I guess.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
And if you didn't have enough evidence already, h male
orcas are much more likely to pass away if their
mother dies. Researchers think that prey sharing by mothers with
their offspring may be the cause. So mother's taking care
of native boys their entire life solid evidence doubling down.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
I can't speak of that.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Oh my god. All right, any other is that all
the Nacines? Everybody had the whole movie, the whole movie,
all right, what about a cousin feather? Well, definitely, Nadine
should have been a native.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Nadine should have been a real native. Yeah, Nadine, Like
there were so many options still back then. It's not
like exactly and looking at her, she's not anybody. I mean,
you know, she's an actress so as respect, but it's
not like she was a big name at the time
who they needed to get in a sequel, you know,
And it sounds like she was just starting an actor. Yeah,
like she wasn't anything, you know, quote unquote special, But
(27:20):
they could have picked a Native for that spot. So
not like it was a big part. She had scenes,
but not she wasn't a big part of the story.
She was more or less there for Jesse. Yeah, so
that could have been a real native.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
True, And I feel like you almost could, like because like,
what was the whole point in him like running to
another chick in the beginning, being like, oh, Julie, she
stops and hops off her bike and then as soon
as he sees her, He's.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Like, oh my god, just the show he's got. He's
got options out here, and he chose her, you know,
he chose her.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Maybe they were trying to see if he would hit
as a teen teen throw like a heart throw. But
JTT or whatever.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
This is were like, I thought, he, I don't know
that he's a handsome enough kid to do that, But like,
these these are good movies like this one. Maybe we
were mentioning it earlier that the reason why they were
able to make three NS series is because they all
made money.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Like the last one made way more.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
This one made sixty eight million against a thirty million
dollar budget, which is still like doubling your money.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know love and just didn't really
like I was like not even paying attention to it. Yeah,
where's the whales? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Song we do with Seen eighty six?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Now Seen eighty six, eighty six, you guys, give me
some first.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Every single scene with Elvis, we could have gotten rid
of that whole character. This is where I want to
talk about Elvis.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
All right, Yes, let's get I'm going.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
To okay, so Elvis at the time, I will say
one positive about Elvis before we start ragging on him.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Great wardrobe, I did, kind of valud, That's great wardrobe.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
That was That's how I wanted to dress when I
was a kid. I wanted to wear all that stuff.
I would wear that stuff right now.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Jean jackets with stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Underneath, long sleeves, underneath us.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Layers, really baggy jeans, with those little with those high
top white shoes, nikes backwards, nicks, caps of shaggy hair.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Dude, he was he was dripping.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
He was a fashion icon.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
He had he he had that ship on was jealousy.
He was killing it. But so he's actually in a
lot of other films that I like.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
It's not that the actor I don't like, but it's
the character that he played, because he's in Kazam. Do
you guys remember that he was Kazam where Shaq was
a genie.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I remember the movie, but I don't remember him.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That was really good. But then people make fun of
shot because of it. But I don't know. It's a
kid movie. I really liked it as a kid. You know,
I don't think he did good.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I thought he did good.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, he's a good actor, yeah, yeah, but he's in
a Bronx tail.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
He's in a classic No, we talked about that. Yeah,
he's Klojno.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I was like, he's really good in that.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
And then another this to me was like a deep cut,
A deeper cut movie was a Simple Wish with Marrow
Wilson member.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
She's Matilda Martin Short. I don't know if you know
Martin Troleres, you probably might know who Martin Short is.
He's like a fairy godmother, kind of a mess up,
very godmother, but he's good in that movie. And then
that movie Crank with Jason Statham. He's in that one.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
He has to like keep his heart pumping or something
or she'll die. It's like it's like a speed but
it's in your body. Remember, like we're speed, you gotta
kellum reason to have to go certain speed. But Crank's
like that, but his heart has to stay at a
certain level. But so he's actually in some like really
good movies that I like. But I didn't like Elvis
at all.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
I didn't. Yeah, I could. I can't agree with that too.
He probably is a good actor, but I didn't like
his character at all. It was, Yeah, it was a
weird thing to like he was from someplace completely different
and they just like tried to shoehorn him in.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
It felt like, I just know the whole storyline could
have done without, Like honestly, if you took the whole
care after out this, the movie still would have been
the movie.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, And it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
I couldn't even feel bad with him when they were
trying to give him like something to feel bad about
or trying to make you be on his side. I
couldn't even feel bad with him that so much I
didn't like him. It's like, yeah, mom, this our mom,
and I'm like, man, shut.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Up, shut up.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I just think maybe they tried to shoehorn the whole
member because he like connected with the little brothers. So
Willie the older whale had a younger trying to do
so they were trying to do like a Willy and
Jesse and Elvis and what was the little Luna Luna. Yeah,
so Elvis and Luna like made this little connection and
(31:41):
I'm like, oh my god, okay.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, because it was like that's when he was like
trying to play the harmonicon.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Yeah, and she actually came up to him and then
she was playing with him like and it's like, Okay,
we already did this, we don't need to do this.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I just think the only reason why they would have
put him in is just because I think they wanted
to show because normally, you know, you see the happy
like go get them family all the time, and like
they already had like that story and like the first one,
so I feel like they didn't need to bring Elvis in.
But it's already dysfunctional family. You see how like the
kids are affected from foster care or how anyways Jesse
(32:17):
he was, and then seeing that even Elvis with his
biological mother is still facing like his own trials, and
I feel like they're trying to show that kind of
dysfunctional family, like how they're all just like I don't know.
And then you got the brown guy. You know, you're
just trying to like put everything all together and make
it so it's different from other movies. So I feel
(32:39):
like that's the approach. But yeah, it was unnecessary. I
don't I don't think we like Elvis around here, so I.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Think they went too hard on him lying. You know,
like we already know, we already know this kid's a liar,
and he's like yeah, and he has like his first
real scene with ran Off as I'm a Cherokee.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'm very catchy.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah, you know, if you're my.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Enemy, and he's like, oh did I see that? I
meant Cherokee's that's even worse that.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I laughed kind of too hard at that one.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I was like, it's a pure white guy. You run
into white guys like that all the time. Well, you know,
I'm Cherokey.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Kind of makes you wonder if they were aware of
the Cherokee stereotype when they made that line, or if
it was just that they just take the first thing Sellenberg,
or if.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
That was I don't think people are I.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Don't think the white writers at this time would have
been no much of an insider to know that Cherokee
is something that everybody says they are.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
You had something to say.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
I think you guys are slandering Elvis a little too much.
I don't think he was that bad at a character.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Sometimes people get it.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
I don't know, I don't think he was that bad
of a character. I mean, I get like the whole
he was kind of b sing the whole time, but like,
I don't think it was over overplayed. I think it
was like comedic relief definitely at long times, which maybe
for kids at the time it would hit on the
nose sometimes.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
But I don't know, okay, I think we talked about
this too, like the sibling dynamic, because whenever he's walking,
Elvis is just following Jesse like a tail. And then
Jesse goes, oh no, no, no, he's talking away and
talking away, and then Elvis goes, yeah, well, I have
a black belt in karate, and then Jesse mocks him
and he's like, yeah, well I have blazers that shoot
(34:22):
under my eyes and they keep walking and it's so
funny because I'm like, oh my god, that's so meute
my siblings and like, oh yeah, okay, buddy, you know that. Yeah,
that is true a little a little teasing or where
they city the car too, I don't know what it was.
Elvis was like talking away and then Jesse's looking out
(34:42):
the window and he's all like mocking him, like just
mouthing all these words, and it just cracks me up.
So I guess he has some good points, right, He's not.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
I'm over what about he.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Got his own song? He did get his own song?
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh he did? Dedicated by Michael Jackson himself. I mean,
Michael Jackson, he was if he had a banger playing,
you know.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Any know there's any of the any scenes worth mentioning.
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
There's too many seeds where they're all just jumping into
the water with like straight.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Up just.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I like, you guys live on the don't you guys
not have like any like normal like basic clothes.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It wouldn't even be weirder if they were always ready
to swim though.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I think, I mean just you know, he's always going
to be up in that whales girl, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I don't think they're like that. Where like natives have
like basketball shorts under, I.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Think it'd be weirder if they have they had swim
suits ready, you know what I mean? That might have
been a little too weird.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Imagine pulling up always Oh yeah, guys, I have a switch,
are ready? Yeah? I take off?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
You're ready for a game?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You're ready for a quim? Quick will ride quick.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Whe I don't know I held his breath for so
long either, like Jesse himself.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
So there was a big scene in there. I was
wondering about too, is like they this oil spill is
coming and then they kick those executives in the water,
and then they're trying to get these whales out, and
then all of a sudden, it's like deep dark night time.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
On the boat.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yeah, like what happened there?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Did they cut some scenes or what? Like what happened
that all of a sudden it was nighttime, full daytime?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
And then I went to deep dark night and nant
to have these big spotlights and probably budget.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Issues unless I don't know what that oil, cause.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
Like maybe at first I was saying, like maybe the smoke,
but then it cuts later and it's like it was
actually it's just like dark and night. I was like, Okay,
it's kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
He noticed.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
I noticed that it was dark, but then I thought
it was was like maybe it was a smoke from
the fire, since there was the fire, so I was like, oh,
maybe it's just a big cloud of smoke or something.
And then it cuts to like them getting on the
like Randolph and all of them getting on the boat,
and it's actually dark. I was like, oh, never mind,
I guess it's just nighttime. Now.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
We just don't know what the Pacific Northwest is like.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
We don't know if it's instant darkness or the Willie
jump scene was much better this one than.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I feel like it had more weight the last movie though,
because he wasn't. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
I liked it still, but it was maybe it was
the first time seeing the second time you see it,
you're like, oh cool.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
But I like the the graphics.
Speaker 7 (37:41):
The graphics are way better for this.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
I like up the ante with fire. That was kind
of cool, you know, like it's not just rocks. Now
you're jumping over fire.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
No, he didn't jump over the fire. Did he around.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Under the fire? Yes, there was fire, but.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Trying to something because he broke that.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah, he broke the thing that held in net or something.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
How was c g I for all these movies back then?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Hmm?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
How was c g I for all these movies back then?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Terrible?
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Because we have they did a lot more practical effects,
like like that's animatronic, like Jessic Park, those guys are animatronic.
It's a lot more practical effects. Not so much CJ
because if it was CGI, that stuff looks crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I thought the whale was pretty good compared to like Jaws.
Like if you ever saw the shark in Jaws, is
like animatronic like have you seen.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Yeah, yeah, like that's top tier nineties c G. I like,
and that's still in itself kind of like al right, guys,
we didn't have to do this.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah I heard that was like the who told us that?
Dad so coding Nils He was like, yeah, Terminator two
is the one that like put the steaks, you know.
Like I was like, oh, why wouldn't know because I
wasn't in that era.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, it was a big deal.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
They had the even specials on this on the CGI
terminator too.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Yeah, that's where they ramped up.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, pretty solid.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
But I thought the whale scenes are pretty I mean,
the whale was animatronics were good.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I could follow it.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
It didn't look like it wasn't really freaky.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I feel like the Randall scene, like whenever he just
starts singing, I was like it was just a little
too much for me because like Meantilized are like because
they're collecting all the herbs and stuff and whatever they're doing,
and then Metalizer are like, what is he a medicine man?
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
What's going on? And he's just picking up all these
things and he's just going going, you know, just he's
just following, and I was like, what all right, okay,
and we're singing underneath the stars and I was like, okay.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
So like if I'm watching it and I'm seeing this
white boy with a Native guy, right and they're walking
in the woods.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
And it just so stale to me, He's like, do
you think the spirits will be with us?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Really?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
The spirits are always with us?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Too much?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
You put that on a shirt. The spirits are always
with us.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
And it's like, I said, so earnestly, but you like,
I know, an uncle would tease me like the spirits
are always with us, you know, or something like that.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
He was just like, okay, taking this white boy out.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Every white boy's dream. Remember Indian in the Cupboard, Oh,
I remember we talked about how that's like this fantasy
white boy gets taken out into the woods by this
mentor and he becomes a warrior and and all this
kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
This white boy way more warrior than a native.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Kind of had shades of that. So that, yeah, that's
why I thought this this one could have toned it
down the first. Yeah, to be more on part of
the first one, I would have liked it better, but
I still.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Solid quality bad guys. They up the Annie with the
bad guys every time. Yeah, last time it was just
like business people. Now it's oil tankers.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
And oil companies and the true villain, the.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
True the Trickster Trio, the part of your Trickster Trio.
A little bit of a call back there, yep, Spirit Rangers.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
But I was it's funny like you can see, like
how you say it's formulaic when you can see things happening,
like when they're like, sir, we're gonna be late, No
we're not, you know, like this this load is gonna
be we're not going to make it on time. And
of course they're going to speed up. And what's going
to happen when they speed up and force it through?
Of course the oil spill is going to happen.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I promise, I promise we'll make sure.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
They get through, Like all right, you guys are you
guys are messing up here? And then when it does so,
I had to look up how come beach wells beach themselves?
After Luna beached herself, because I've never I've always wondered
how come they beach themselves? And a lot of it
is our fault. We push them too close, they get mad,
they get sick because they want to die. It's almost
(42:08):
like a suicide. It's like seppuku, so like it's it
is like they do try to kill themselves or they
or they accidentally do it by hunting too close to
the shore.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
They like try to swim and grab it. The next
thing you know, they're stuck on the water.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Like did you ever see that one where they tried
to blow on up? Did you ever hear about that
where they tried to blow up away?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Oh yeah, I remember that because it was beached and
they couldn't move it, like they literally because it was
so heavy. They couldn't move it and it was rotting.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
So don't they explode on their own their own So yeah,
so we blew it up the humans, no wonder.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
I would love to be in those meetings, you know
what I mean, Like how did that pass? How did
that pass so many levels? You know, like it had
to the higher, it had to hit so many people.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
They're like, yeah, sure, all right, guys, there's amite.
Speaker 7 (43:05):
We're talking about blowing up.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
I thought I had something to do because remember in
the movie she said something about this is where Luna.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Likes to rub her belly from the rocks or something
they themselves or something.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
That's that's that's all.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (43:26):
Another they accidentally do it too. A lot like that
happens accidentally because they get pushed out.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, something.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
And I know it's something with the sonar too, because
there because the military they explode things underwater. They test
their military like equipment underwater, so they and then they
test their sonar things underwater. It actually kills whales too,
So it is humans. It's always us.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
So and then speaking of Luna being sick, you know
who is the vet that helps her?
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yes, I forget her name though, Elizabeth Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Aka Rosie from the Bomba.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
That's why I was like, remember like her demeanor.
Speaker 5 (44:09):
I was like, I was like, oh, she's also and
batteries not included another eighties classic, like even I remember
that on a Rush Hour she's the cop and rush
Hour she's the voice of Mirage on The Incredibles. She's
in a lot of st I didn't know how much
stuff she was in, but I remember, like I recognized
her right away.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
She passed away at a young age of fifty five.
Did she soirrhosis ip welcohol? Yeah, cause like seizures and stuff. Yeah,
so she passed away really young because of cerrocious, but
she kept it together enough to do movies.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Well, she definitely made an impact, So she just never
recovered from Richie.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
I picked the wrong brother, that's's what happened.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Sometimes it's easy to be Bob, but hard to be Richie.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, as you said that so serious though, not.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
Even I felt in his soul, like not even not
even a hint of irony, Like he was dead serious.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
You know, it is so unintentionally funny. He's like, what
I'm serious? Guys, all right, buddy.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
Oh and I got some reviews here because it was
obviously not very good reviewed, so fifty critics. So I
only got a couple here, but I sprinkled some good ones.
I'm paraphrasing them half as fun with twice the whales
solid less free, less real. Okay, they're already free. Another
(45:35):
one was great movie emotional. Another one called it a
nostalgia quest. And here's my favorite one. Someone called it
a poorly orca straighted sequel.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Crickets, Crickets, just tickling you guys out here.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I guess I thought it was so funny. I'm Stucker
for a good pun.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Though.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
All right, well, hey, since we're talking about Elizabeth Painia
in all her movies, we need to do our six
degrees to August Shellenberg.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
Okay, so this week it is James Earl Jones and
I did two of them. I wanted to go through Sandlot.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Okay, So, for some of you who may not have
listened to last week's podcast, we noted that August Schillenberg
is like the Kevin Bacon of Native movies. He's in
so many movies, but he's never really a primary character.
He's always a secondary character. And so we are doing
six degrees to August Shellenberg and our ip.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
James Earl Jones. Sadly, well it was ninety.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Three though, fossof he lived a good life.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
So I wanted to go through Sandlot. So in Santlet
he's the blind guy, which has Patrick Raina, which is
Ham the Great ham Bino.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Seen sand Lot, he's the chubby kid, the chubby catcher. Okay, yeah,
you're killing me small.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Yeah, he's like the most famous line. Uh So, then
he's he's a kid and son in law with poly
Shore a poly Shore movie. Oh, this guy's a poly
so he's the kid in son in law, which has
poly Shore. Poly Shore is an Encino Man, which has
Brendan Fraser. Brendan Fraser is in Killers of the Flower
Moon as w S. Hamilton, and that has Tantuo cardinal
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tattoo card on his black robe as Chimina's wife and
me and Chomina is August Shellenberg.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
And then so I did another one James Old Jones,
So we'll go Rogue one. Rogue one.
Speaker 5 (47:44):
He's the voice of Darth Vader Forest Whittaker. Forest Whittaker
is in Phone Booth. He's a cop which has Colin Farrell,
and Colin Farrell is in a New World where August
Sellenberg is Powallhattan.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Hey you go, how many is that?
Speaker 6 (47:58):
Uh So?
Speaker 2 (47:58):
The first one was five, the second one was three.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
I actually spent like an hour on the one going
through sant I really wanted to go through sam Lot
but that took a long time. But luckily and then
Nco and then Brendan Fraser Kills the Flower Moon.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Knows what got me?
Speaker 5 (48:15):
I really wanted to hit Scream, but I couldn't find
a way through Scream because there's a way to get
Rose McGowan.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
I don't know it was. It was pretty fun. Actually,
I spent like an hour trying to figure all this out.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
I know, it's actually a pretty fun game winning. So
I have August Shellenberg is with Michael Madsen and Free
Willy two, and Michael Masden is with Uma Thurman and
Kill Bill m m Uma Thurman is with Arnold Schwarzenegger
in Batman and Robin. She plays Poison Ivy yes, And
(48:50):
Arnold Schwarzenegger plays with James Earl Jones in The Barbarian.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Oh I saw? Okay, so yeah, four, that's awesome. Those
are good ones.
Speaker 6 (49:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:05):
I was trying to get Arnold Schwartzenne in there too,
because I like James Earl Jones and Conan with his
little banks with like every when kids play with scissors
and cut their bass.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yes, he looks crazy.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
I love banks have curtains.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Next time I see you.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Yeah, so next time we do an August Shellenberg movie,
we're doing six degrees to August Schellenberg.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Okay, so plan all.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Right, Well you guys heard it here? Uh Free Willy too?
Speaker 2 (49:40):
What was it a watch?
Speaker 4 (49:41):
It's it's too orchestrated. But what we're saying, it's all right,
I really like it.
Speaker 5 (49:49):
I think what I think what has always said is
probably a good thing for you know, check it out,
but it's not probably going to be on here high.
I'm gonna show my kids watch it over generation the
whales do. It was more like a time like how
your auntie was excited to see it, because when you're like,
you know, like when you see it, you know, but
you're not going to be like, yeah, you're not showing
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your kids.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
It's like, oh, I remember that movie. That's it.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
That's that she didn't sit down to watch it.
Speaker 7 (50:16):
She doesn't watch both both of the first and the
second one.
Speaker 5 (50:24):
Not even recommended, just wanted to probably just took it
back to a great time, because I mean watching movies,
old movies, it probably takes you back to a different
time because every time she.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Too, oh, all right.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
For the whales, though, broe the males, all right, save
the whales, save here a tribal man trib very much.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Tribal sovereignty, whale sovereignty. No, I definitely recommend it. It
is definitely like a good family film, like sit down
watch it, but.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Wholesome. It's pretty wholesome.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
I'm gonna make nast watch it, make her sad about
the wheels.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
Make your whale activists in North Dakota.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Just the middle, not even close to either side. Dude.
All right, well, keep listening here.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
We're gonna take on some more wheels like you're interested
in more whale movies. Who knows what we're gonna do next.
Halloween is coming on Halloween, all right, keep.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
On listening, guys.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
We'll be here next time.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
See later. Thank you.
Speaker 9 (51:43):
Flutes and feathers, eagles cross, No more saviors, no more
lies waiting for better days.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
We'll be here with all guys.
Speaker 9 (51:58):
Hi, Hi, hey y'all, Hey, hey, help help
Warrior Jim Band again, bad you bud us on us
green dyed with paints and wigs and old end days, everything.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
But our red guys.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hi yo, hi, hi yoho yore.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Here, Hey, everybody, welcome to the Red Gaze.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
We are back for Whale week. Oh no, that sounded
more like a seal.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I need to know what a whale sounds like, because
how can he just We'll get to it.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
But yeah, all right, well, if you haven't guessed it
by now, we are taking on Free Willy two, the
second in the Free Willy series. I am your host,
Cheryl Carrie, and I'm here with my fellow podcasters, the
senior Collins Rising Sun.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And I say senior because we got our two youngins here,
Zoey Landed Hello, Helo, and Elijah Landon Yo, a new podcaster.
Gotta get some youngin's here who didn't know Free Willy
from way back in the day.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
And I know how I know it whatsoever?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Okay, before we jump in, though, we have two things.
We got a terrible review, which I would like to
do a little house cleaning on.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Alright, let's do it.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
We got a one star review for the Outlaw Josie Wells,
and this guy wrote like three paragraphs on us wait
iTunes or the Eye the Eye podcast or whatever. This
guy I tried listening to episode eighty seven and had
to stop. The podcast lost all credibility with me due
to exchanges like this one. Has Clintie always been slightly racist?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Look every time he made that movie. I think that
was just so he could say a racial slur all
the time. Like this guy got so mad, He's like,
I mean, nobody never, right mind, is going to be
a clint East apologist, especially me, giving this personal and
cinematic propensity for missogyny and right wing fascism.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Is you a racist?
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Maybe I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
But this guy just went on about like, how is
Hannibal Lecter a cannibal because he did movies where he
ate somebody? Like no, dude, Like, I'm pretty sure there's
a little nuance and everything. But if you repeatedly make
movies where you can and write movies where you can
say a racial slur, I think we can definitely start
talking about it. I agree, Like you can have the
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leanings and artistic leeway I guess you would say, but
I think we can safely say that he's a racist.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I mean, didn't we say like before, I think we
talked about this about like all these Western films, like
there's no way they can really make them good, and
I don't know why we keep resorting back to it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Right, So, if you're listening to us, give us a
five star. This guy gave us a one.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
It's good that this guy is angry about us calling
that out, because that's what we're here for. It means
we're doing our job as the red case, Like we're
calling out the things that are problematic in movies, and
that's definitely problematic. There's very little times when people can
like callin says punch up. You know, a lot of
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times films have to really be careful about who they criticize.
And it's about time someone called that out in his movies.
He does tend to do that.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So, I mean, that's what our pod is for. I mean,
even if it is controversial.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
They'll hook us up with a couple of five starts
here if you're like listening to us.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
So we're taking on free WILLI two this week. It
was put out in nineteen ninety five, following obviously the
first free Willie and I got a five point one
on IMDb and a fifty percent on Rotten Tomatoes and.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
An audience forty two, which is crazy because usually the
audience is way better than critics.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
The critics Yeah in this film, which is it's a sequel,
I mean Free Willy, then Free Willy two, then there's
eighty four, and then I guess like Dolphin Boy or
something I don't know. Pretty crazy. So the description says, good.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Okay, and this sequel to the popular first installment. Jesse
is now a teenage living with his adoptive parents when
his half brother Elvis, shows up on the heels of
their mother's death. When Jesse learns that an oil spill
is threatening his old friend Willie the Orca, he enlists
his crush Nadine and Elvis in an attempt to save
the friendly whales from the spill and the greedy businessman.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
What do you guys think of this movie?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It was worth watching, but I would not watch it again.
I kind of enjoyed it, It depends on the scenes.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I liked it. It just was the remind me of
the first one.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
A lot just took me like because I watched both
these in their theaters as a kid, and I remember
getting this as a video and just being pumped to
watch it, Like I remember being in trouble and my
mom let me stay up to watch it.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Like I can't remember what I did.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
It was a privilege.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Yeah, I was supposed to be in trouble, but we
got this movie. And so in the movie, remember that
little like necklace he gives them. I'm not sure it
was DVDs yet, but like the movie came with a
little necklace.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
Oh my god, you got a little whales.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah, you got with the whale necklace. So I got
to I got to keep the whale necklace.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Did you feel connected to Randolph after that?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh my god, I wore then. I think Marley's brother
Chris made fun of me.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
There's no whales in North Dakota.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I think Chris fin made fun of me. Look at
this guy. And then I couldn't make it. I don't know.
It was a little meaner r I p but.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So nice speaking to the catfish or what.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
That's just like when Dylane was young, Titanic was out
and she got something with the Heart of the Ocean pendant.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oh the stone, yeah, that diamond diamond.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
She was all pumped about that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I think it was a good watch.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
I don't never never in my life, I've never heard
of it, And then hearing that it was popular was
kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Super popular. I just didn't know that.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
I've never never heard of it in my life.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
You young'ins are so cynical, That's why it was a
whole different age.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Yeah, this is a franchise, this is what nineteen ninety three, Yeah,
ninety five, ninety five, even that these are both before
like the animal was born, so like, it's not something
that I would ever think of to like go back
and look, but you could tell how much of an
impact it probably had, Like and.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, because I had no clue. I just know me
and Elijah were watching it, and then my aunt had
come in and she was like, oh, is this Free Willy?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And I was like, I was like, why do you
know this is this movie? Yeah, definitely knew it was
a big thing because so I looked had to look
up the dates. But this was like a few years
after the exon Veldi's oil spill, which was the largest
oil spill ever in the world or second largest now,
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but at the time it was the largest oil spill
it's just like millions of gallons of oil got spilled
into the ocean, and so it was like a really
big thing. M and these and these movies were real
inspirational to you know what I mean. You got the
dramatic music. Yeah, it's a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Did you watch the first one?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Oh yeah, so definitely, because like I know that we're
gonna do Free Willy too, and I was like, there's
no way we're gonna watch the second without watching the first.
So we sat down and watched the first one one night,
and then the second one the next night, and then
tomorrow we're gonna watch the third, and then the series
and then the fourth in the series. No, but uh yeah, definitely.
I wanted to get a grasp on what the idea
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and like how the the tone of the movie, or
like get an idea of how the series was in general.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
So I'm in on Free Willy.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I've always been a Free Willly fan.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
How I've been saying I wanted to do this though, Yeah,
no one ever listens to me, and then everyone's like, yeah,
this was actually really good. I really liked this because
it was like as a kid, when you see sequels
not everybody comes back, but everybody is back for this one, like,
and it's so cool to me that, like, because it's
always like they changed somebody or somebody Lori Petty.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
I did see a review that said it would have
been better with Lori Petty.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
What would she have done though, because they're not in
a place anymore. She was a trainer, right, Oh?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I did like her. Okay, that's the one that's in
the league of our own, right.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Yeah, her, like as a marine biologist, because wasn't that
what she was studying for? Yeah, and then she could
she could have worked.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
She was she got yeah, she was. She got hot
at that time, so she probably was doing other movies.
I would guess, all right, what do you guys got
for a favorite scene?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I have, uh the swimming the swimming underwater scene, remember,
like kind of in the beginning where they're like swimming
with the under the water with them Like that was cool.
Another one is when he tells his brother the story
from the first.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Movie, Oh, the traditional STF.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I like that because that reminded me of being a
kid and like you're just telling stories on a cookout
or something or like ye're they're in a tent they're camping,
like that's a cool just that whole like vibe.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It just reminds me of like.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
How cool that would actually be to be with your
brothers or your family and they're telling you a story.
And the medicine scene was cool. I remember as a
kid like kind of doing that, like putting dirt on
my hand and then beeling like seeing if I could
taste it in my.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Mouth observing it. Yeah, I was like, oh man, I
wonder if that's everything.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
No, but I know what you mean too, like about
like the passing down stories, because like that kind of
also gave me like that in Echo, remember the beginning
when she's telling the story the two oh right, the
two little ones are in that tent in the back
and telling stories. I do like that though, because it's
like having trying to learn that connection because obviously both
the brothers are disconnected regardless, and then you have to
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see that growth in the film, because I know that's
supposed to be like the character development, which is Elvis.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, I hated that kid.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I think everybody he was such a little stereotype.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
To me, I felt like he was a little walking
kid stereotype. I got my cousin Vinnie Vibes a right
favorite scene.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
I mean maybe not for the good reasons, but like
when Elvis ran away for the right not for the reasons,
like when the music hit. It was just the timing.
It was like kind of comedic. It has to be
my favorite because I was like the one time where
I actually, like genuine and genuinely laughed no, because.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I feel like when we were watching it, we're like
trying to get a feel for the movie, and like
you know, you're trying to feel like the feelings of
the emotions of the characters. So I mean, that's kind
of sad. And then just the music started playing when
I don't know, I was utilized, just started up.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
It was like two on the nose, like they were
making fun of it almost, you know, like it would
be a parody something. Literally, I was like, if you're
making fun of free Willy, they just did it. They
just did the best scene themselves.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
That has to be my favorite scene, just because of
the comedic timing.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
It was too good, too good in case he didn't
know how to feel at that moment.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
No thing. Everybody's like bad about it, you know, but
I would say my voice I think one of my
favorite parts when the kid when Elvis starts kind of
opening up, like not necessarily opening up, but he was
just like, yeah, mom, mom was a liar. She she
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left me, you know, or she she she said she
loved me. She left me. And I was like, I
was like, damn. I was like about that. I just
felt connected. No. I like that because then you can
kind of get a feel for like trying, because they're trying.
But it's hard to get connected to a character that
wasn't in the first film. So I was just like, okay,
you know, but yeah, I do like the scenic shots too.
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And I was just like, oh my gosh, Avatar way
the water, it's literally all it gave me. I was like,
I just had nostalgia.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I was like, oh, but my favorite part about those
scenes is that that's the only clue that you had
was that Nadine was a Native girl because she looked white.
She was a whitey like me, but she was She
swims in in jeane chunks. Only Native girls.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Swim in jeane chunks, and she is not Native. Actually
she's not. I was hoping she wasn't even trying to look,
but she is not.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, first of the Brandall's size kind of to me off.
I was like, wait, I was like, look him up,
is he actually dripping? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I just know that it was everything he did, not Rember.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
He's always like we said it last pot.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
But he's always like a side character like this, like
how he's ran off in this, and he's in he's
a big part of the movie, but not He's never.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
He's never like a main character. He's always kind of
like a side character, background character. He's in the movie
for a little bit, but you see him. No, he's never,
never the main character. And he's been in a ton
of movies.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I just don't think I recognize him.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
My favorite scene was the little scene where Jesse and
his foster dad are talking and because his little brother Elvis,
goes and tells him that he saw him kissing, like
that's h dude, and he's like, you know that leads
to other stuff and he's like what and he goes
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sex and he's.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Like what because he's talking about the wheels, talking about
the intimacy, and then he's like, I'm basically an expert,
like I know all these things. He hYP himself up
and then I was like, Oh, I don't know if
that's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
What. It was just a cute little scene because it's
such a wholesome movie, so kind of made me laugh.
I like that scene the character to act like this,
he too, all right, did you guys have a name moment?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yes, that he knows Willie by his sounds. It's true,
like they're just hearing random whale sounds.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's like, oh my god, it's.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Shut up.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
You met this whale for like two months and you
can tell him all the whale sounds out of all
the whales the world.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, you can specify this one.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Will He is that necklace, it's in his soul. He's connected.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
What's that guy's name, what's what's the native in the
story's name in the in the story that they tell.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Nostala?
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, now now now he's him. Now he's now he's
the white version of him. So my best scene was
then swimming with the whales in the water, but my
name is him, Like oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
It was also kind of cool, but I was like,
get out of here. That whale is not letting you
ride him.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
My name moment kind of related to that too, where
they the oil tanker crashed or whatever. And then Jesse's
sleeping in that tent, all of a sudden he wakes up.
He runs, he just knows no because.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
With the whale sounds too, that crecked me up. I'm like,
because remember Elvis comes back, and I was just like,
you guys gotta get up. They're like, yeah, okay, because
he already lied once, so they're like whatever. And then
he's like no, like you guys gotta come help, like
the oils bill blah blah blah. Then you hear the
sounds of the whales. Did the parents bold get up?
And I was like, oh my god, okay, they just knew.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I was wondering about that because so I had to
look back and see when when Dances with Wolves came out.
So it came out like right before this, right before
Free Willing and Free Willing too, So I was thinking,
so it had been out for a few years dances,
and maybe that's why this version of free willly was
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like a little more sacret, you know, like there was more.
There was the medicine, There was Randolph saying that song.
Oh yes, there was the just knowing and the soul
connection and all of that, And I was like, was
that a dance intentional influence?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It was one of those things where they hit it
just right the last movie, Like they hit it just right.
They're like more of this, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, some executive producers somewhere is like, we need to
ramp up the native Yeah, exactly, kick it up, kick
it up a notch.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
But like they did the exact amount last movie. You
know what I mean, it was perfect.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
It wasn't overdoing it.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, it was perfect, feel natural. But yeah, this is
like do it again.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Yeah, we need more native stuff. Like I really like
the medicine scene, but then yeah, there was just too much.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Now.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, I think they went a little overboard and they
took it past the we're acceptable before.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, I think too. Like Jesse and he's like chanting
something like.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Oh yeah that little prayer.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, I could not. I was like, okay, buddy, you
almost had to be in it, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I was like, man, come on.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
You know you do that. You know he's gonna start singing.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, he's got a war whoop.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
If he wore who oh my god, came out and
if he came out and fringed anything, just do this
is enough. That's all.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
He needs.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
That's that's in the reboot when he when he's Randolph.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Yeah. Well at least they didn't go northern plains either.
They stayed coastal, so that was good, all right. Any
other nacenes you guys had, I.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Would say the climax because I feel like at the
or towards the end, when they're trapped in the fire,
how is Jesse not able to swim? That's like the
one thing he does. And he's just like struggling to swim,
and he's so hard he just starts drowning. I'm like, whoa,
you swim your whole thing, this.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Is your whole gig. What's going on here?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
He got the yips? He got the yips. He forgot.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
That's their whole thing. Is still with the whale? How
you're not able to swim?
Speaker 6 (18:29):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
No, no, okay, So maybe the whale saved him from
learning how to swim in the first place. Remember he
almost drowned in the first movie too.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
He like knocked himself, He like knocked himself out. He
slipped and hit his concrete hard.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Besides that, but remember, because me and Elijah like, because
this movie is very predictable, I don't know like I
think just everybody can. Yeah, because you know how it's
gonna go in. Elijah kept calling out every single thing
that's gonna happen, so like, watch, this is gonna happen.
I know it because remember he drops his harmonica when
he's having his own little moment. Oh yeah, and it
goes the water. I was like no, and I was
like wait, watch watch. I was like, Willy's gonna pick
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it up. And then he's just like, He's like, I
don't know. And then Willy popped up. I was like, no, watch,
it's gonna be in his mouth, and he opened up
his mouth and then you bust out laughing in like
five feet of.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Water in the dock. Yeah, they got a huge killer whale,
huge killer whale to fit.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
There was a lot more whale scenes that I've noticed
in this one because it was it wasn't real Willy,
it was animatronic this one.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah. I did hear that too.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
They use a lot more animal in this one because
they were trying to actually save Keiko at this time.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
So this is actually this is all based off of
that whale.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Then yeah, well I don't think the whole story is
based off of it, but like there was a whole
awareness series of events that happened after the movie came out.
Trying to let the actual whale that acted in the movie, yes,
Willy the whale actor the whale, but yeah, trying to
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get in free our.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Killer whales, only ones that were like save them, because like,
I mean, I know that, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
What we're going to save, you know, we just take
our time saving for a while. We were twenty twelve.
I don't know if you guys were well enough for that.
Remember Cony twenty twelve. No, I remember that we were
trying to save Africa.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, we go on our kicks.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, we go through cycles.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Free to bat We're free the whales now it's I
mean Palestine, you know, yeah, go through cycles.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Whales were for a while though. They've been on a
stretch though, because I kind of went into a deep
dive I was really researching Orcas and found out that
there they went through a run there in the seventies
where they were overly harvested for marine shows like SeaWorld
and stuff, and so they actually decimated the population because
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all these hunters were taking them out of the ocean
and putting them into these shows and stuff. So yeah,
so free I think the free the whales has been
around for a long time.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, because I think I went to like in Chicago,
I went to like an aquarium and we saw like
blues like those. One was like the big old heads, right, yeah, Okay,
I think we saw like a couple of those because
we've been to an aquarium. And then I started like
doing a little bit more like research on it was like, actually,
this is really sad. I don't ever want to go
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to one again. I know it is.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I haven't been with Zoo in a long time. I
stopped going to zoos.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I saw this thing that I saw this thing that
compared the taking of the Orca whales and putting them
in the shows to removing native kids and putting them
into boarding schools. Because did you guys know this? This
is this is my deep dive too, that orcas are
tribal so Orca whales, of all the Orca whales that
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live in the ocean, they actually have distinct differences, not
just the pods like the pods of the families, but
they have like distinct groups that are different. So they
have their own DNA, they have their own social cues.
They have their own language, they have their own like
rituals that they do in their group, and there's and
(22:18):
they're all over the world and they're they're all one,
but they're different.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
You know, their own thing going on.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
So they're like tribes.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Well, because that's what the joke with the pod within
the pod, because remember that's what they say they travel
in their little pods.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So that makes tribe.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
When I read that, I was like, oh my god,
that's you know, like that's why like their their tribes
and their tribal animals because they stay within their tribe
and and they're still like connect with other whales, but
they stick to their tribe.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
So it's like what Yeah, just like how I wrap
standing around in the s.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Well, we have pure loves because Dan don't give us ship.
I was just to tell you.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Decide this my mom did.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
When we start drilling underneath the water and ruin it.
I'm switching to Northern Chyanne. Though when you hear us
the ruin lakes cockwit.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm a ch I don't even know what someone yeah
the oil.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah. Oh so like I also with your research on wheels,
I mean, lads were talking about like their mammals. And
I was like, okay, so like they have to breathe,
and then we went down the same little rabbit hole.
He's like, yeah, they gotta breathe every fifteen minutes. And
I was like, they have to breathe every fifteen minutes.
So how do they sleep? And I guess they just
shut off one side of their brain and then they
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go back and forth. They'll just shut one side off
to sleep on one side, and then they'll turn it
back on shut the other one off. They take turns,
switching back and forth.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
And I was like, that's in the sane coast along
the surface of the water while they're brain is switching over.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
If you wake up just like super far away.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Become conscious on the other side of the land, they're like,
oh my god, oh where am I?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
They can swim up to like one hundred miles.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
A day, holy smooth whale.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Like neighborhoods, you know they do.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
It's part of being tribal.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
They have.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
That's they have little So there's like Northern Wales and
southern exactly looking up.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Outside Wales sick.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
Wait, So they do they bully each other? If they're
like are they like the wrong.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
They're low key like climbing and they come over to you,
so they might be they might be colonized a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Starting someone who's like has very little white spots.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Spots swimming a little, you're swimming a little.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
By the way he swims.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You can tell what side of the tracks he's from.
It's crazy. I did not know that actually.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Also went down this other rabbit hole. How do orcs
communicate and orca populations? Knowledge is passed down to younger individuals.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
From their elders, so they are natives.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
What to eat and where to find it, how to
catch it, and calls unique to pods and family groups,
and the distinct accent of the population. They even have accents, what.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Even got their own, Like signals should be like war
whooping across.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
So maybe you know, maybe not crazy, that home is
actually tuned.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It was tuned, tune to the right tribe, I guess.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
And if you didn't have enough evidence already, h male
orcas are much more likely to pass away if their
mother dies. Researchers think that prey sharing by mothers with
their offspring may be the cause. So mother's taking care
of native boys their entire life solid evidence doubling down.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
I can't speak of that.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Oh my god. All right, any other is that all
the Nacines? Everybody had the whole movie, the whole movie,
all right, what about a cousin feather? Well, definitely, Nadine
should have been a native.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Nadine should have been a real native. Yeah, Nadine, Like
there were so many options still back then. It's not
like exactly and looking at her, she's not anybody. I mean,
you know, she's an actress so as respect, but it's
not like she was a big name at the time
who they needed to get in a sequel, you know,
And it sounds like she was just starting an actor. Yeah,
like she wasn't anything, you know, quote unquote special, But
(27:20):
they could have picked a Native for that spot. So
not like it was a big part. She had scenes,
but not she wasn't a big part of the story.
She was more or less there for Jesse. Yeah, so
that could have been a real native.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
True, And I feel like you almost could, like because like,
what was the whole point in him like running to
another chick in the beginning, being like, oh, Julie, she
stops and hops off her bike and then as soon
as he sees her, He's.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Like, oh my god, just the show he's got. He's
got options out here, and he chose her, you know,
he chose her.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Maybe they were trying to see if he would hit
as a teen teen throw like a heart throw. But
JTT or whatever.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
This is were like, I thought, he, I don't know
that he's a handsome enough kid to do that, But like,
these these are good movies like this one. Maybe we
were mentioning it earlier that the reason why they were
able to make three NS series is because they all
made money.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Like the last one made way more.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
This one made sixty eight million against a thirty million
dollar budget, which is still like doubling your money.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know love and just didn't really
like I was like not even paying attention to it. Yeah,
where's the whales? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Song we do with Seen eighty six?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Now Seen eighty six, eighty six, you guys, give me
some first.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Every single scene with Elvis, we could have gotten rid
of that whole character. This is where I want to
talk about Elvis.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
All right, Yes, let's get I'm going.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
To okay, so Elvis at the time, I will say
one positive about Elvis before we start ragging on him.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Great wardrobe, I did, kind of valud, That's great wardrobe.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
That was That's how I wanted to dress when I
was a kid. I wanted to wear all that stuff.
I would wear that stuff right now.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Jean jackets with stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Underneath, long sleeves, underneath us.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Layers, really baggy jeans, with those little with those high
top white shoes, nikes backwards, nicks, caps of shaggy hair.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Dude, he was he was dripping.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
He was a fashion icon.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
He had he he had that ship on was jealousy.
He was killing it. But so he's actually in a
lot of other films that I like.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
It's not that the actor I don't like, but it's
the character that he played, because he's in Kazam. Do
you guys remember that he was Kazam where Shaq was
a genie.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I remember the movie, but I don't remember him.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That was really good. But then people make fun of
shot because of it. But I don't know. It's a
kid movie. I really liked it as a kid. You know,
I don't think he did good.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I thought he did good.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, he's a good actor, yeah, yeah, but he's in
a Bronx tail.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
He's in a classic No, we talked about that. Yeah,
he's Klojno.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I was like, he's really good in that.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
And then another this to me was like a deep cut,
A deeper cut movie was a Simple Wish with Marrow
Wilson member.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
She's Matilda Martin Short. I don't know if you know
Martin Troleres, you probably might know who Martin Short is.
He's like a fairy godmother, kind of a mess up,
very godmother, but he's good in that movie. And then
that movie Crank with Jason Statham. He's in that one.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
He has to like keep his heart pumping or something
or she'll die. It's like it's like a speed but
it's in your body. Remember, like we're speed, you gotta
kellum reason to have to go certain speed. But Crank's
like that, but his heart has to stay at a
certain level. But so he's actually in some like really
good movies that I like. But I didn't like Elvis
at all.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
I didn't. Yeah, I could. I can't agree with that too.
He probably is a good actor, but I didn't like
his character at all. It was, Yeah, it was a
weird thing to like he was from someplace completely different
and they just like tried to shoehorn him in.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
It felt like, I just know the whole storyline could
have done without, Like honestly, if you took the whole
care after out this, the movie still would have been
the movie.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, And it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
I couldn't even feel bad with him when they were
trying to give him like something to feel bad about
or trying to make you be on his side. I
couldn't even feel bad with him that so much I
didn't like him. It's like, yeah, mom, this our mom,
and I'm like, man, shut.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Up, shut up.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I just think maybe they tried to shoehorn the whole
member because he like connected with the little brothers. So
Willie the older whale had a younger trying to do
so they were trying to do like a Willy and
Jesse and Elvis and what was the little Luna Luna. Yeah,
so Elvis and Luna like made this little connection and
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I'm like, oh my god, okay.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, because it was like that's when he was like
trying to play the harmonicon.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Yeah, and she actually came up to him and then
she was playing with him like and it's like, Okay,
we already did this, we don't need to do this.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I just think the only reason why they would have
put him in is just because I think they wanted
to show because normally, you know, you see the happy
like go get them family all the time, and like
they already had like that story and like the first one,
so I feel like they didn't need to bring Elvis in.
But it's already dysfunctional family. You see how like the
kids are affected from foster care or how anyways Jesse
(32:17):
he was, and then seeing that even Elvis with his
biological mother is still facing like his own trials, and
I feel like they're trying to show that kind of
dysfunctional family, like how they're all just like I don't know.
And then you got the brown guy. You know, you're
just trying to like put everything all together and make
it so it's different from other movies. So I feel
(32:39):
like that's the approach. But yeah, it was unnecessary. I
don't I don't think we like Elvis around here, so I.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Think they went too hard on him lying. You know,
like we already know, we already know this kid's a liar,
and he's like yeah, and he has like his first
real scene with ran Off as I'm a Cherokee.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'm very catchy.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah, you know, if you're my.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Enemy, and he's like, oh did I see that? I
meant Cherokee's that's even worse that.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I laughed kind of too hard at that one.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I was like, it's a pure white guy. You run
into white guys like that all the time. Well, you know,
I'm Cherokey.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Kind of makes you wonder if they were aware of
the Cherokee stereotype when they made that line, or if
it was just that they just take the first thing Sellenberg,
or if.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
That was I don't think people are I.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Don't think the white writers at this time would have
been no much of an insider to know that Cherokee
is something that everybody says they are.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
You had something to say.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
I think you guys are slandering Elvis a little too much.
I don't think he was that bad at a character.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Sometimes people get it.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
I don't know, I don't think he was that bad
of a character. I mean, I get like the whole
he was kind of b sing the whole time, but like,
I don't think it was over overplayed. I think it
was like comedic relief definitely at long times, which maybe
for kids at the time it would hit on the
nose sometimes.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
But I don't know, okay, I think we talked about
this too, like the sibling dynamic, because whenever he's walking,
Elvis is just following Jesse like a tail. And then
Jesse goes, oh no, no, no, he's talking away and
talking away, and then Elvis goes, yeah, well, I have
a black belt in karate, and then Jesse mocks him
and he's like, yeah, well I have blazers that shoot
(34:22):
under my eyes and they keep walking and it's so
funny because I'm like, oh my god, that's so meute
my siblings and like, oh yeah, okay, buddy, you know that. Yeah,
that is true a little a little teasing or where
they city the car too, I don't know what it was.
Elvis was like talking away and then Jesse's looking out
(34:42):
the window and he's all like mocking him, like just
mouthing all these words, and it just cracks me up.
So I guess he has some good points, right, He's not.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
I'm over what about he.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Got his own song? He did get his own song?
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh he did? Dedicated by Michael Jackson himself. I mean,
Michael Jackson, he was if he had a banger playing,
you know.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Any know there's any of the any scenes worth mentioning.
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
There's too many seeds where they're all just jumping into
the water with like straight.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Up just.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I like, you guys live on the don't you guys
not have like any like normal like basic clothes.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It wouldn't even be weirder if they were always ready
to swim though.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I think, I mean just you know, he's always going
to be up in that whales girl, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I don't think they're like that. Where like natives have
like basketball shorts under, I.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Think it'd be weirder if they have they had swim
suits ready, you know what I mean? That might have
been a little too weird.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Imagine pulling up always Oh yeah, guys, I have a switch,
are ready? Yeah? I take off?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
You're ready for a game?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You're ready for a quim? Quick will ride quick.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Whe I don't know I held his breath for so
long either, like Jesse himself.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
So there was a big scene in there. I was
wondering about too, is like they this oil spill is
coming and then they kick those executives in the water,
and then they're trying to get these whales out, and
then all of a sudden, it's like deep dark night time.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
On the boat.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yeah, like what happened there?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Did they cut some scenes or what? Like what happened
that all of a sudden it was nighttime, full daytime?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
And then I went to deep dark night and nant
to have these big spotlights and probably budget.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Issues unless I don't know what that oil, cause.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
Like maybe at first I was saying, like maybe the smoke,
but then it cuts later and it's like it was
actually it's just like dark and night. I was like, Okay,
it's kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
He noticed.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
I noticed that it was dark, but then I thought
it was was like maybe it was a smoke from
the fire, since there was the fire, so I was like, oh,
maybe it's just a big cloud of smoke or something.
And then it cuts to like them getting on the
like Randolph and all of them getting on the boat,
and it's actually dark. I was like, oh, never mind,
I guess it's just nighttime. Now.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
We just don't know what the Pacific Northwest is like.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
We don't know if it's instant darkness or the Willie
jump scene was much better this one than.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I feel like it had more weight the last movie though,
because he wasn't. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
I liked it still, but it was maybe it was
the first time seeing the second time you see it,
you're like, oh cool.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
But I like the the graphics.
Speaker 7 (37:41):
The graphics are way better for this.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
I like up the ante with fire. That was kind
of cool, you know, like it's not just rocks. Now
you're jumping over fire.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
No, he didn't jump over the fire. Did he around.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Under the fire? Yes, there was fire, but.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Trying to something because he broke that.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah, he broke the thing that held in net or something.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
How was c g I for all these movies back then?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Hmm?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
How was c g I for all these movies back then?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Terrible?
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Because we have they did a lot more practical effects,
like like that's animatronic, like Jessic Park, those guys are animatronic.
It's a lot more practical effects. Not so much CJ
because if it was CGI, that stuff looks crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I thought the whale was pretty good compared to like Jaws.
Like if you ever saw the shark in Jaws, is
like animatronic like have you seen.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Yeah, yeah, like that's top tier nineties c G. I like,
and that's still in itself kind of like al right, guys,
we didn't have to do this.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah I heard that was like the who told us that?
Dad so coding Nils He was like, yeah, Terminator two
is the one that like put the steaks, you know.
Like I was like, oh, why wouldn't know because I
wasn't in that era.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, it was a big deal.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
They had the even specials on this on the CGI
terminator too.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Yeah, that's where they ramped up.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, pretty solid.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
But I thought the whale scenes are pretty I mean,
the whale was animatronics were good.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I could follow it.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
It didn't look like it wasn't really freaky.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I feel like the Randall scene, like whenever he just
starts singing, I was like it was just a little
too much for me because like Meantilized are like because
they're collecting all the herbs and stuff and whatever they're doing,
and then Metalizer are like, what is he a medicine man?
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
What's going on? And he's just picking up all these
things and he's just going going, you know, just he's
just following, and I was like, what all right, okay,
and we're singing underneath the stars and I was like, okay.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
So like if I'm watching it and I'm seeing this
white boy with a Native guy, right and they're walking
in the woods.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
And it just so stale to me, He's like, do
you think the spirits will be with us?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Really?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
The spirits are always with us?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Too much?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
You put that on a shirt. The spirits are always
with us.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
And it's like, I said, so earnestly, but you like,
I know, an uncle would tease me like the spirits
are always with us, you know, or something like that.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
He was just like, okay, taking this white boy out.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Every white boy's dream. Remember Indian in the Cupboard, Oh,
I remember we talked about how that's like this fantasy
white boy gets taken out into the woods by this
mentor and he becomes a warrior and and all this
kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
This white boy way more warrior than a native.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Kind of had shades of that. So that, yeah, that's
why I thought this this one could have toned it
down the first. Yeah, to be more on part of
the first one, I would have liked it better, but
I still.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Solid quality bad guys. They up the Annie with the
bad guys every time. Yeah, last time it was just
like business people. Now it's oil tankers.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
And oil companies and the true villain, the.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
True the Trickster Trio, the part of your Trickster Trio.
A little bit of a call back there, yep, Spirit Rangers.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
But I was it's funny like you can see, like
how you say it's formulaic when you can see things happening,
like when they're like, sir, we're gonna be late, No
we're not, you know, like this this load is gonna
be we're not going to make it on time. And
of course they're going to speed up. And what's going
to happen when they speed up and force it through?
Of course the oil spill is going to happen.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I promise, I promise we'll make sure.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
They get through, Like all right, you guys are you
guys are messing up here? And then when it does so,
I had to look up how come beach wells beach themselves?
After Luna beached herself, because I've never I've always wondered
how come they beach themselves? And a lot of it
is our fault. We push them too close, they get mad,
they get sick because they want to die. It's almost
(42:08):
like a suicide. It's like seppuku, so like it's it
is like they do try to kill themselves or they
or they accidentally do it by hunting too close to
the shore.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
They like try to swim and grab it. The next
thing you know, they're stuck on the water.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Like did you ever see that one where they tried
to blow on up? Did you ever hear about that
where they tried to blow up away?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Oh yeah, I remember that because it was beached and
they couldn't move it, like they literally because it was
so heavy. They couldn't move it and it was rotting.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
So don't they explode on their own their own So yeah,
so we blew it up the humans, no wonder.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
I would love to be in those meetings, you know
what I mean, Like how did that pass? How did
that pass so many levels? You know, like it had
to the higher, it had to hit so many people.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
They're like, yeah, sure, all right, guys, there's amite.
Speaker 7 (43:05):
We're talking about blowing up.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
I thought I had something to do because remember in
the movie she said something about this is where Luna.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Likes to rub her belly from the rocks or something
they themselves or something.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
That's that's that's all.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (43:26):
Another they accidentally do it too. A lot like that
happens accidentally because they get pushed out.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, something.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
And I know it's something with the sonar too, because
there because the military they explode things underwater. They test
their military like equipment underwater, so they and then they
test their sonar things underwater. It actually kills whales too,
So it is humans. It's always us.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
So and then speaking of Luna being sick, you know
who is the vet that helps her?
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yes, I forget her name though, Elizabeth Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Aka Rosie from the Bomba.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
That's why I was like, remember like her demeanor.
Speaker 5 (44:09):
I was like, I was like, oh, she's also and
batteries not included another eighties classic, like even I remember
that on a Rush Hour she's the cop and rush
Hour she's the voice of Mirage on The Incredibles. She's
in a lot of st I didn't know how much
stuff she was in, but I remember, like I recognized
her right away.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
She passed away at a young age of fifty five.
Did she soirrhosis ip welcohol? Yeah, cause like seizures and stuff. Yeah,
so she passed away really young because of cerrocious, but
she kept it together enough to do movies.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Well, she definitely made an impact, So she just never
recovered from Richie.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
I picked the wrong brother, that's's what happened.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Sometimes it's easy to be Bob, but hard to be Richie.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, as you said that so serious though, not.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
Even I felt in his soul, like not even not
even a hint of irony, Like he was dead serious.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
You know, it is so unintentionally funny. He's like, what
I'm serious? Guys, all right, buddy.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
Oh and I got some reviews here because it was
obviously not very good reviewed, so fifty critics. So I
only got a couple here, but I sprinkled some good ones.
I'm paraphrasing them half as fun with twice the whales
solid less free, less real. Okay, they're already free. Another
(45:35):
one was great movie emotional. Another one called it a
nostalgia quest. And here's my favorite one. Someone called it
a poorly orca straighted sequel.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Crickets, Crickets, just tickling you guys out here.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I guess I thought it was so funny. I'm Stucker
for a good pun.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Though.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
All right, well, hey, since we're talking about Elizabeth Painia
in all her movies, we need to do our six
degrees to August Shellenberg.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
Okay, so this week it is James Earl Jones and
I did two of them. I wanted to go through Sandlot.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Okay, So, for some of you who may not have
listened to last week's podcast, we noted that August Schillenberg
is like the Kevin Bacon of Native movies. He's in
so many movies, but he's never really a primary character.
He's always a secondary character. And so we are doing
six degrees to August Shellenberg and our ip.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
James Earl Jones. Sadly, well it was ninety.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Three though, fossof he lived a good life.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
So I wanted to go through Sandlot. So in Santlet
he's the blind guy, which has Patrick Raina, which is
Ham the Great ham Bino.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Seen sand Lot, he's the chubby kid, the chubby catcher. Okay, yeah,
you're killing me small.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Yeah, he's like the most famous line. Uh So, then
he's he's a kid and son in law with poly
Shore a poly Shore movie. Oh, this guy's a poly
so he's the kid in son in law, which has
poly Shore. Poly Shore is an Encino Man, which has
Brendan Fraser. Brendan Fraser is in Killers of the Flower
Moon as w S. Hamilton, and that has Tantuo cardinal
(47:29):
tattoo card on his black robe as Chimina's wife and
me and Chomina is August Shellenberg.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
And then so I did another one James Old Jones,
So we'll go Rogue one. Rogue one.
Speaker 5 (47:44):
He's the voice of Darth Vader Forest Whittaker. Forest Whittaker
is in Phone Booth. He's a cop which has Colin Farrell,
and Colin Farrell is in a New World where August
Sellenberg is Powallhattan.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Hey you go, how many is that?
Speaker 6 (47:58):
Uh So?
Speaker 2 (47:58):
The first one was five, the second one was three.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
I actually spent like an hour on the one going
through sant I really wanted to go through sam Lot
but that took a long time. But luckily and then
Nco and then Brendan Fraser Kills the Flower Moon.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Knows what got me?
Speaker 5 (48:15):
I really wanted to hit Scream, but I couldn't find
a way through Scream because there's a way to get
Rose McGowan.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
I don't know it was. It was pretty fun. Actually,
I spent like an hour trying to figure all this out.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
I know, it's actually a pretty fun game winning. So
I have August Shellenberg is with Michael Madsen and Free
Willy two, and Michael Masden is with Uma Thurman and
Kill Bill m m Uma Thurman is with Arnold Schwarzenegger
in Batman and Robin. She plays Poison Ivy yes, And
(48:50):
Arnold Schwarzenegger plays with James Earl Jones in The Barbarian.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Oh I saw? Okay, so yeah, four, that's awesome. Those
are good ones.
Speaker 6 (49:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:05):
I was trying to get Arnold Schwartzenne in there too,
because I like James Earl Jones and Conan with his
little banks with like every when kids play with scissors
and cut their bass.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yes, he looks crazy.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
I love banks have curtains.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Next time I see you.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Yeah, so next time we do an August Shellenberg movie,
we're doing six degrees to August Schellenberg.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Okay, so plan all.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Right, Well you guys heard it here? Uh Free Willy too?
Speaker 2 (49:40):
What was it a watch?
Speaker 4 (49:41):
It's it's too orchestrated. But what we're saying, it's all right,
I really like it.
Speaker 5 (49:49):
I think what I think what has always said is
probably a good thing for you know, check it out,
but it's not probably going to be on here high.
I'm gonna show my kids watch it over generation the
whales do. It was more like a time like how
your auntie was excited to see it, because when you're like,
you know, like when you see it, you know, but
you're not going to be like, yeah, you're not showing
(50:11):
your kids.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
It's like, oh, I remember that movie. That's it.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
That's that she didn't sit down to watch it.
Speaker 7 (50:16):
She doesn't watch both both of the first and the
second one.
Speaker 5 (50:24):
Not even recommended, just wanted to probably just took it
back to a great time, because I mean watching movies,
old movies, it probably takes you back to a different
time because every time she.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Too, oh, all right.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
For the whales, though, broe the males, all right, save
the whales, save here a tribal man trib very much.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Tribal sovereignty, whale sovereignty. No, I definitely recommend it. It
is definitely like a good family film, like sit down
watch it, but.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Wholesome. It's pretty wholesome.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
I'm gonna make nast watch it, make her sad about
the wheels.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
Make your whale activists in North Dakota.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Just the middle, not even close to either side. Dude.
All right, well, keep listening here.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
We're gonna take on some more wheels like you're interested
in more whale movies. Who knows what we're gonna do next.
Halloween is coming on Halloween, all right, keep.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
On listening, guys.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
We'll be here next time.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
See later. Thank you.
Speaker 9 (51:43):
Flutes and feathers, eagles cross, No more saviors, no more
lies waiting for better days.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
We'll be here with all guys.
Speaker 9 (51:58):
Hi, Hi, hey y'all, Hey, hey, help help
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