July 22, 2025 • 48 mins
The Red Gaze crew takes on the next two episodes in the Netflix series, "North of North", as the drama unfolds and the plot thickens.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For your chie band again.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Man you bud us on us green dyed.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
With paints and wigs and old end days, everything but
our Red Gaze. Hi hi ya, hi yo.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Who yore Hey everybody, Welcome to The Red Gaze. Welcome
back to our ongoing series North of North. Today we
are taking on episode three and four. I'm host Cheryl
Carey of The Red Gaze. I am here with my
fellow podcasters Marley Finley Hello, and Delanne Longfeather Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
So episode three dump kean on your Indian name, Ma.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Right away.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And episode four Joy to the effing world my Indian name.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Some pretty fun.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Episodes here we have to go over. If you've been
listening to our podcast, you know that we are totally
in love with this series. Yes, and today we're going
to talk a little bit about some of the bright spots.
What was your favorite scene of episode three?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
All of her scenes with Kook Oh, yeah, the little
buddy romances, yes, little Prince.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
They had some funny like Cook is kind of funny too,
like kinda saying some little funny things to like see
se Ya and Alistair about their relationship. Like the part
that made me laugh was where you know is really
talking to her dad and saying like, you don't even
like come around, and you haven't been around forever, and
haven't you ever wanted to start fresh? When she's like,
(01:59):
not like you care, but my life has been a
bit of a and he's like dumpster fire. Kind of
that made me lie and then she was like tough
and then he kind of got like my my favorite
parts were anything with Jeffrey, the native guy that works
at the Dumb He's my favorite character of this whole
(02:21):
show so far. I think he's hilarious. Now he's trying
to like lie first and he's just not even good
at it.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I'd have to make up the hair and their job
and their face time for that, up a backstory for
because it caught her on camera.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And then Helen is like, that's yahya, well it could
be a man and a woman's park. He's trying to
help her out any way he can. Well.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Had two favorites. The opener how she's all excited to
like open up, and she's like, oh, I thought we
opened up at nine, and then her two friends time
as a colonial construct. The other one's like, well, we
take our cues from the sun, the wind, the snow
formasons she's like, hurry up, my feet or numb. It's like,
oh okay, And I.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Love her little purple jacket or whatever she puts on
them in the beginning. It probably does have a name,
you know. It looked like something maybe like how we
have our ribbonskirt, some jacket she put on. I really
liked it.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I made a note on that one too, because the
scene we're talking about is kind of at the beginning
of the episode where she's getting ready to go to
work and she's trying on all these different little jackets. Yeah,
she finally tries on like her traditional top. She's like
gives herself the guns. And I thought that was so
cool because it's like, here's what she's most comfortable in.
(03:47):
Here's what she's gonna wear for her first day of work.
And so I like little things like that where it's
just a little subtle message, but it says a lot,
you know what I mean, Like all of this other
stuff wasn't comfortable for her. She was most comfort when
she was just being her indigenous self. They don't make
a big thing out of it. It's just a little
piece that says a lot.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It still relates to every other like show where every
girl is like, oh my gosh, what am I gonna wear?
Like all this and they do all the different outfit
changes and stuff. So it still relates to something that
a white person could see and be oh, yeah, she's
panicking about what she's gonna wear her first day, her
first day. But with this one, it throws in the
(04:28):
cultural aspect of it, and so it works for whoever
the viewer.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Is right because even in like the non native movies,
like if they're trying on all these different dresses and
stuff and then they find the one, it's kind of
like that encapsulates the character. Yeah, and so yeah, that
was cool for this one too. My favorite scenes were
the ones with Navy and Bun.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Oh yeah, I just you know, because when you have
a granddaughter. She made me grandma, I know, I know
it's corrupting her grandfather.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
To give the real bird. Didn't even listen to the
teacher to her out of school.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yeah, She's like, I'm just gonna take her then because
she got she got chastised for giving everybody the bird
and the Canadian flag.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Where her Grandma's kind of like, I love that.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
They just kind of spent the day together playing hooky
and stuff. And one of the key things that happened
is after she's teaching her the ways of the bird,
and then Bunn sort of confides in her that they
called her mom a hoe. So she's like, your mom's
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not a hoe. And second of all, it's me and
your mom and you forever. You know that three generations connect.
I got caught right in the fields. Yeah the first
time I seen it. Oh that's that's how it is.
You need generations. So yeah, I love that, even though
Niv's like this really hard character, like she's there as grandma.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So how this episode starts, she throws the big ox
or whatever it's called, the plushy that she got from
uh ting, and it starts on fire, accidentally starts a fire.
She doesn't know it's still burning or whatever, and then
she and then she says joy and she throws it
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into the dome. So she goes to her first day
of work. Of course, her first day of work, the
first person who walks in is her dad and cook.
So he walks in and they all kind of stand
there and just like awkward. Okay, so I have to
(06:59):
ask because comes in with ouster and he has braids.
Braids are no braids.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I think if he did his braids a little different,
or they're a little longer, I would wouldn't mind it.
I didn't mind his braids, but yeah, or he did
just one braid or something kind of look like Pippy
long stock short. Maybe he could just do one braid
or a bun for you know, oh a bun man.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
But yeah, yeah, you gotta have the thickness of the hair.
I just I just want to say for everybody out
there that we have coined the phrase, if your braids
aren't girthy, you're not worthy.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Worse braids.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
There's some pretty tiny breeds.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
His are not even close to being the worst.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Lie.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
No, I liked his hair down. It looks good down
those two those two little braids just made the little
prints look.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Like a little brain, like a little prince. I saw
those and I was like, Oh, I'm like, who braided
your hair? Maybe his braids will get better as he
gets more like in tune with his culture.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
So my thoughts were like, as an actor, they only
gave him like a certain amount of time, Like he
only got like a couple a few months to grow
out his hair or something. So then my like nerdy,
behind the scenes type of person that I am. I
was like, wow, how if you were a writer, how
were you going to play this? Like maybe say he
cut them recently because he had a death in the family.
(08:40):
He lost something, you know, he lost the lost a
relative and so he cut his hair, so it's just
growing back. Like maybe that would be a backstory to
explain why he's got these sad little braids.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But they were just like braided, weird, like it had
two ponytails and then the braid and then another ponytails.
I don't know, it didn't who raised his hair.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Maybe they did that as a thing. He's a city boy,
so he didn't know how to do his hair. So
maybe this is just his first attempt of China.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Those were not dancer braids. Those are like Grandma braided
your hair braids.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Maybe yeah, maybe he really was the actor who did
his own braids. I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
They're like, you're indigenous, do your own braids.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
He's like, how the hell do I do? Break?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
He's on TikTok watching out a break.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I haven't gotten speaking of like you know, cook and
then now and her dad I wonder. I haven't. I've
only watched, like I'm only keeping up with each episode
as we go, so I don't know what's happened yet
in the future episodes. But I wonder how she I
don't know if they explore this how she feels about
finding out that she's half white, Like, I wonder what
(09:52):
you know, how that feels. You grew up this whole time, Yeah,
with your indigenous side and you're like, oh, my mom
never talked about my dad. Probably just assume your dad's
like another native guy. Yeah, and then you come to
find out your dad's a white guy, just a purty
white guy. Like that would be interesting too. I think
(10:12):
if they would explore like her feelings on oh, I'm
not even half you know, so you know that does
happened to because that happened to what's her name in
Reservation Dogs too, Oh Laura, Laura, Yeah, and she like
she was like, what you know?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
And actually it's kind of funny because in episode four
we do come Yeah, she says, what would she say?
You're not the only half breed without a dad, and
then she's like get gets all offended and she's like, oh,
you younger generation you're so sensitive.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
You're a half breed eskimal, get over it. Oh yeah,
She's like, don't call me that. It's dehumanizing, like she's
less human because.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Her mom had no sympathy for her.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
No sympathy. All Right, So they find out that Yaya
was the one who started the fire, and so she's
back on the hot seat again with Helen.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I thought that was also funny how they all went
out there to go check out the dumpster fire.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, yeah, there's nothing up there.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Well I had made note because I thought it was
the scene kind of leading up to that was funny
to me because, Okay, so you know, it's CIA's first day.
She goes in. She's a little eagle beaver and they
call they called her a keener. I don't know what
that means. I didn't get a chance and maybe that's
a Canadian like uh, suck up or something. But right
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away Helen she was like, oh, I have to read
this really boring report. And then she's like, oh, it's
your first day. You read the report, give me the
gist of it. And then when Alistair and Cook come
in there, she was sitting there and she was like,
I had so many favorite parts and then she's giving
panic looks over remembers, Yeah, yeah, I remember.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I was telling you.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, you know, She's like, oh, yeah, I'm going to
take credit for this. You do all the work for Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I was like and like siah Ya like knows what
she was talking about too, But she was telling her
dad in the car, like, you can tell you haven't
been here in twenty some years because like the Parma
Frost is not Parma Frost anymore, and we have direct
flights to win a peg and we're getting one to
Calgary and stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yeah, And that was also when she was showing them
around their offices or whatever. She's like, these are our offices.
We have desks. This is my desk, and then she
takes them to their office and she's like, here's your office.
I'll scrounge up some chairs and a and a light
bulb for that one lamp that's sitting in there. And
(13:05):
then Kook is like, what's that smell? And Alistair already
knew he was like the dumps on fire.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
So Alan like like headed out of there to try
to like stop the fiasco. That was this whole like thing.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
You distract him in here just they knew the whole time.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I know.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I like that their they're entertainments. Go out there and
watch the firemen.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And pick out which one they like, the hot fireman.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
You can just imagine anyone under there. Everybody had their
folding chairs out and everybody was joining. You can see
the other people bringing snacks and they had.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Cool, little, cool little blankets. They get uncomfortable sitting out there.
It's been a long time.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Since we had a good dumpster fire, a good dump fire.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So Jeffery's doing everything he can to save Cela and
her job, but it's Alistair who comes in and saves
her by saying, she's my daughter. Oh yeah, so now
she's the little princess.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Helen was like, why everybuddy sees her as their daughter?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah? She thought he was talking durtively.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
She's like, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
My favorite was I think he's trying to be white Savior. Yeah,
how we've talked white Savior so many times and for
her to just be like click, it clicked.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And the other funny line that was in that scene
is she's like, of course I got a kid. I'm
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So yeah, he found out he has a grandpa.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah, right after his granddaughter took down A took to me.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
It's funny because he first he found out he had
a daughter and then now then just like they're just
throwing at it now and then you find out me
as a granddaughter. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
So in the meantime, Navy and Bun, she begs a
reindeer age. She begs her first reindeer, so she takes
after her dad. Yeah, And I thought that was really
cool how they they celebrate by like chopping it up
right there, just like handed it out and I came
over and drabbed a leg and looked up. I was like, oh,
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just drabbed a haunch and walked home.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That part, Yeah, that part made me laugh too, because
remember Uha and her dad show up, and then they
pull up together and their mom, the mom, he's just
glaring at him and he was like, she's a complicated woman.
And I was like, oh, she looks scary.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
And then the episode ends with the version of Time
after Time.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah. Yeah, I've had that song stuck in my head
now sign.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So I just love how they're including all this music.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
So I did nerdy stuff on the music.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Who would you find out?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
So at the beginning of the episode, there was this
it's called no Evil by Shawnnie Kish. So she's actually
Mohawk from Canada and identifies as two spirit and she's
married to an Olympic.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Buma hopper.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yep, her wife is Jenkish. I forgot to look up
what she was into, but that didn't matter. But they're
they're finding local artists. And then the time after time
it was called uh time manga ti mangla, mack tamglamock
and then by Elicipe.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So I wonder if that's like one of their words
or something, because you know, like my friend's daughter's name
is like Yanaba and that's a Navahole word for pretty
or beautiful, So I wonder Melissap is like maybe because
now it's the second time we hear the name. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
And then she's from uh none of It. She's she's
Canadian inook. So it was just kind of like, oh,
they're they're pulling artists because in the next episode two
there are more there's another artist from none of Us.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Oh that's so cool, all right, So that ends episode
three and then we go on to episode four, Joy
to the effing World.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Sorry, I'm pulling the mills right now, I know exactly
all right, starts with another throat singing song, which is
way cool, like Pixic.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, Maria, so that was so cool.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Starts with the casket being flown.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
In on a connected to a helicopter. Just everybody's like.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh, hell of a way to start an episode, like
what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, and someone was like it's okay. You know it
could happen to anybody, right, so you know ciaing to.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Do with and again it's so funny. Then they do
like a retro perspective, so that says twelve days earlier,
so now you're finding out what leads up to this
casket swinging in. And it starts with Helen of course
and her first world problems of her wine night zoom.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah it gets rescheduled.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yep, it gets rescheduled, so it conflicts with Elder Knight.
So of course Cia is like all game to do
Elder Knight.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
So I like how Helen tried to like hmm, like
she wasn't gonna like she didn't immediately think of dumping
this onto seat.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right so she could have her mal back. Yeah, she's
talking about how it has to get flown it. They
had to pick it out and fly it in, and
it's all complicated to get her bottle of wine.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Just like your cheeseburger. I want this specific cheeseburger bacon
on it. And so then she gets This is where
some of the scenes with Kook now, so he's like
your partner in crime. He shows up and helps with
Elder Knight. That's where the cute little flirtation thing goes on,
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which is I think really cool. And then as the
episode goes on, they you know, they're they're going through
the Elder Knight and all the things that happened with
Elder Knights. So lots of good scenes in this episode too.
What what was your favorite scene out of this episode?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
My favorite scene was where you know, they go up
to the elders, the grandpa's, and right away those grandpa's
are like, who's your mom? Like yeah, and when she
says this is my mom, like oh yeah, I could
tell now I know your mom and you look like her,
you know, like, let's your mom.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Basically, those the elder guys they find out who her
mom is. And then I like that scene too because
it was kind of like something we were talking about
in the last podcast about how they mentioned he said
something like I knew your mom and those were hard
times or something like that. Yeah, it's good that she's
sober now and stuff, and.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
She's sobered up.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
And that look that Cook gave her. And then she
was like kind of embarrassed or whatever. But like we
said in the last podcast, they talked about it, they
mentioned it, but then they just let it go, you
know what I mean. It wasn't like a big thing.
They didn't embarrass her about it. It wasn't a big conversation.
It was just like life was tough back then. Now
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things are better. Yeah, you know, so I thought that
was really cool that that was a part of it too.
Like they didn't make this big thing out of it.
It was just like it's life and we move on,
you know, and she's a good kid and she's doing
good things, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
And then they kind of like added to it. Not
only did they take they talk about you know, like, yeah,
it was hard back then, but then she got her store,
she made her store, and now she speaking a good living.
So you know, they actually spun it into a positive
You're just kind of like she had her hard times
but look at how good she's doing now and she's
helping us. Yeah, the story, she's doing good for the community.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, I thought that was really cool. I really liked that.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
And speaking of right before this, how ah, this is
a little bit relatable for me. But uh, she was like,
oh at the beginning, she was like, can you watch
bun tonight. Her mom's just like nope, it's a work thing,
and she's like, welcome to being a single.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Mom was like your kid around.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, but then she goes expert level parenting and then
her mom is just like Bannic's burning and that goes
to Yeah, when those grandpa's were critiquing Dark, they're like.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It's kind of hard and it kind of burnt too,
like you use too much baking power. I really knew.
I was like, oh my god, that's kind of scary.
I don't want to make firebread now. I'm scared. That
made me think of remember the conversation that Victor's mom
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has and smoke signals. She said that's how she learned though,
to make her bread good was people would tell her
you use too much, this, too much. Yeah, so that's
how you learn.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I'm still scared to make frybrid too, because my mom
said a man handled a dope. I don't know, it's
all that rage, it's all that social justice rage I have.
I don't think it's going to change, all right. So
then uh Seaya gets the idea to bring in all
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the little kids.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
She has to yeah with slushies.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
That was That was one of my favorite parts too,
is when they get to the oh, cook says, we
got to hit the streets. So they go out and
they try to. They go to the playground, mm hmm.
The little kids in there right away, would you like
to spend some time with the elder twenty bucks?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
They say right off the bat, just bad right away.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I was like, well, I mean it's kind of how
it is these days.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, what I mean like, well, they ended up going
out to the streets because remember they were in the
radio station. They finally were. They're trying to announce it
on the radio.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, and kids don't listen to them.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, so that's why they had to go out. Like
I never this is the closest I've ever been to
being on a radio like on this podcast. I've never
they always put natives in a radio like a radio station.
I've never even been in a radio station.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, that's what we've been talking about for a while now,
Like why is the radio station such a critical piece
of all these movies? Is it just a trope that
got adopted or from soak signals or those older movies?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Was there was natives in US radio?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You can't see where was the first radio thing?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Native? Yeah? Well, like all our residents have their own radio.
But I feel like it's only one person. You know,
they's got to put like the main character in a
radio station, or like even on the the look was
it the lacrosse? Oh yeah, cricket arrows, croocked arrows. Those
kids were in high school and they were doing a
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radio show, a little radio show.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I don't understand it either.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Anybody, anybody has some insight, let.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
They like shoehorn it into every I feel like a
lot of movies and shows there's a radio, a radio
and the native, the one about the biking, remember that contest,
the contest the radio too.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Maybe there's just no other way to narrate, or it's
an easy way to like narrate something. I don't know.
But then in this case, we really didn't help. It
was just there.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I don't know. Smoke signal started it all.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's a mystery, all right, and then oh.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
The what's her mom's name? Again?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And Alistair keep running into running, keep running into each
other conveniently my cab. I'm like, well, they're in the
same cab.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I already know, and they're doing a little role play thing.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I was like, okay, they're going to end up.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
And he's like, back to the hotel, and she's just like,
she didn't say her destination at all. She didn't say
drop me out at my house before we get to
that hotel.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
City right away, she was really trying to act tough
like she didn't want him, And as soon as she
said back to the hotel, she just crumbled because she
was trying to say we don't know each other. And
right away when he said let's go to the hotel,
then she just well yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
When they were in line there and she was just
she's like, well, you're a crap be dad, and he's.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Like, wow, I didn't even know. I didn't even have
a chance.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I didn't know he's known for like a date.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah I know. And then what they said something else,
and because he wanted her to apologize and then she
said something and she's like and he's like, you suck
at apologizing and she's like, I wasn't apologizing. I'm like,
that's a pure end in like admit that you kind
of did something wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And it's like that's what you're getting.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
You're not getting an actual I'm sorry, you're not getting
an actual apology. I'll just whatever you want to go eat.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
So yeah, it's kind of crazy in the In those
little scenes too, when they're sitting in the in the
cab and they're kind of doing their little thing in
the back, that cab driver's really looking at them, you know,
he's like, oh, I know where these two are going
to end up. And then when they get back to
the hotel, of course, the scene shows them like and
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she's like, there's so many layers. I know.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
They're just taking off suret half sweater after sweater.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
He still had.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Then he had a tank top. Finally at the end.
What I thought was cool in that scene, though, I noticed,
was like made it more intense too. Was the dead
a throat singing in the back.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Oh yeah too.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I was like that's all it was, and like the
whole song, that part was just throat singing. It was
like intense.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I was like, oh my god, you're just in there, Fanny.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yeah, I was trying to fan myself, but it took
too many layers. I was like, well, I can't ruined
them all after I don't know, she was getting mad too.
He almost lost out. She would have found another shirt
under there.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, never mind, all right.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
So then in the episode they go we go back,
we cut back to the Elder night and they're handing
out slushies like cocaine.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And they're adding.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
They're just like, oh, they really had an accordion player
there too. They brought that accordion player playing two different
two like temporary songs.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Yeah, they played a Billie Eilish song and then they
played an a Vichy song.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Ye bad guy, Yeah, the bad Guy by Billy. They're
playing all kinds of weird games, like that bottle game
where they were like having the grandparents like feed each
other a bottle. Yeah, what kind of games that.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Playing?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Baby?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Well, then the lake thing that they're doing, the leg wrestling.
I had, like so many friends do that, like they
like to do and they get drunk, especially after the parties. Yeah,
the game that they like to play, and they had
those old old old guys. I no wonder why that
poor grandpa gave out there.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Well that was what did they call him? And and
Tiluk so what was his namesake or whatever? And tik luk.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, and they really speak we're speaking their language in
this part in this episode.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I like how what they're doing is kind of what
they did in Spirit Rangers were when they use one
of their words, they either like describe it like they're
translating for someone. That's how they that's how they use
it to be like that's what that means, or they'll
reply with the same thing in English, like at the
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very beginning when.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
She was when she was like.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Ulu uluck to them right at the beginning of the episode,
and then Navy REPLI like, oh good morning.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So yeah, then they had they did the same thing
kind of where it seemed like they're saying, Grandpa, I
don't know what the.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Word was, but you kind of got that. And that
reindeer when they saw that reindeer too, Yeah, yeah, that's
that's cool. My baby got a my baby got a caribou.
So it you know, it kind of gives that to you.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
And so they're using the language to also teach you,
but you don't even know that you're learning it because
that's so cool. Yeah, I like.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
So poor Elder Kook though I know that he was
a fun guy. He was a fun guy.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
He was like doing all of the games and was
having fun. He was just having so much fun.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
So, yeah, we find out he's the guy in the coffin.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
One is the one around right. When Helen walked into right,
I had to. I had to PLoP to the ground
when Helen walked in.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Everybody's standing their blue mouths.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
He's dead. She was like, what is going on? You
said you're supposed to just grab the chairs and put
them away or something, put off the coffee.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
She's like, well, technically I did.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Then you think she's gonna get you.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Know, Helen's standing there talking to her and she's like,
goes through all these things that I did, and she's
I'm gonna have to bring down the Helen Hammer.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I didn't give it that name. That's what people say.
It's just what people are saying about me. Just proud,
proud of her name.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I like how she's brought to bring down her Helen
Hammer and hear elicipes like, my brother's here. Oh yeah,
I really think she's gonna get in trouble or That was.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
One of my favorite scenes because he was all small,
I know, herd that on the gun's walking in behind him. Ooh,
he's gonna tear you. That was a funny scene. But
I was gonna also mention that Elicipe comes in and
she goes, my brother's coming in, He's probably gonna curse you.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
And I thought that was like a.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Really smart, badass camera shot of him walking in. You know,
they kind of like a semi slow motion. Yeah, he
comes walking in and of course elips behind him, looking
all smug and stuff, but you know he's just like
dignified elder. They start with his feet and then kind
of pan up.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Like yeah, he's got his stoic Indian look.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Yeah, it's like a mob boss, you know, like a
mob boss walks in or something, and so you get
this like, oh, you know, what's gonna happen sort of
tension thing. So I made little things like that, I
think really make this a series. And it was kind
of like that with a Reservation Dog too, Like they
made smart choices about camera angles and the way they
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did their camera work and things like that, and I
think that's with this one too. That's what we like
to see. It isn't just a camera pointed at who's talking.
Like they use the camera in different ways to also tell.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
A story, like you know, like that camera work shows
how we feel about Yeah, yeah, how ye Like really
you don't want to like let them down? Are you
kind of like scared of this?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's like yeah. So he walks in like a mob boss,
you know, gives us like that sense of like, oh
my god, what's gonna happen, and then kind of ups
the anti when he has Milly translate for him.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Oh I love how he's like, I want you to translate.
My sister says, just knows her just out to her
and like she just translates it to say whatever she wants.
No wonder, she's got a smug face. She's I've been
saying all sorts of things for all these years.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
She's probably counting on him and she's really gonna tell
her off or something.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I know.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
So anyway, they have this other girl translate and then
the sweetest part of this episode I instantly started.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
It got me. I was just they just my tears
just thinked out of the side.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Here he was just quiet and acted like he didn't
want nothing to do with her either.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
When he was an elderly, he was the one that
was kind of looking there, sitting there all judgy like,
so you were thinking he wouldn't like anything.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Yeah, he didn't join in on anything either, Like he wouldn't.
They even asked him to do something and he just
looked away. So you thought, you know, he was coming
in to you know, blame her or say all these
bad things or whatever. And here he just has this
heartfelt you know, like that he died happy.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, And I was like, he died happy and like
he glad that there's somebody like see how y'ah bringing
together elders and the children together.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
He explained how in their traditional back back in the days,
how all these generations would be together and they would
all do these activities. And he was just like, over
time that has been lost.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Right. He talked about joy, you know, because I mean
that's that's how she started the episode, you know, like
she threw that thing out when she talked about joy,
and and I like that they brought it full circle,
and he talked about, you know, in order to survive
really tough times, you need to have that you know,
social interaction and that joy. That's what brings joy. Yeah,
(35:39):
like being a part of community and interacting with people
and stuff. And so his friend was so happy, he
and he died really happy.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
So just gotch you in the fields man.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
And it was all in their language too. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I know, I'm choking up a little bit and already
because I'm it's fresh, yeah, really fresh.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
And again it's it's such a good positive message because
I think so much of non Native America when they
look at Natives, all they see is like the bad
things about our community, and they don't realize that there
was always joy and always strong relationships and people who
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would take care of community and all those things. And
so it's a little bit harder to see those things,
you know.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I remember I was speaking somewhere doing some kind of
speaking occasion. This was way long time ago, and this
non native guy came up to me and he said,
we have a foster child living with us, he said,
and he's enrolled at Standing Rock and he said, we
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we you know, he's I don't know, he was getting
a little older. I don't know, it was about ten
or eleven or something, and he said, we, you know,
put him in a car and we drove down to
Stanley Rock and we drove around the reservation and we
showed him, you know, this is who you are, you know,
this is your culture or whatever. And he was traumatized
and he said he didn't want to be native and
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he didn't want anything to do with his native side
or whatever and stuff. And I remember I was kind
of a little bit shocked at first, but I remember
thinking and then ultimately what I told him is like, well,
that's because you didn't show him his culture. You showed
him poverty. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like he
saw the outer trappings of poverty and the things that
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were taken from us, all the things that were taken
from us, but he didn't get to see the things
that weren't taken from us, the joy and the relationships
and the depending on each other and all those sorts
of things. And I think, I think a lot of
people have that misconception too, right, So they look at
the outer stuff and they don't see what's underneath.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
They like, they probably didn't see that inside of one
of those you know, government houses, is a full family
that are all laughing together, and you know there's a
grandma with her grandchildren who are saying something goofy and
they're laughing, and that's kind of what you Lazarus was saying.
You know, despite all of the negative things, all the
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bad things that we have to go through, especially living
up there, it's that's hard. You know, those are besides
all those hardships, you still find a way to find joy,
just like we find a way to find humor in
a lot of things. Just kind of relatable and I
think that's why it probably hit a little bit harder,
but it was like nice to have. I think each
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episode has a really a couple of really good, like
emotional moments, but being surrounded in like comedy and surrounded
in like happiness, right.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
And I think that's such a smart way to really
touch on native issues. You know. It's like sometimes I
feel like, especially when you have a white director, they
want to hit you over the head with a sledgehammer,
you know what I mean, and make it really heavy
and really right in your face. And there's and there's
something I think that can be said about like how
subtle this series is, but it's still making some really
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important points. So then we kind of towards the end
of the episode, then we cut back to oh god.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh they're all excited because Helen was trying to fire her.
Then all, yeah, we can keep her.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah because the Godfather. The Godfather said she did a
good thing. So then she kept her and so they
went to celebrate. Then it was what made me laugh
to and made me feel like this is the show
by natives, was I got a bottle.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I got a bottle back to my room.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
It really opens the door welcome to the chills of.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Oh my god. That was yeah. And then they catch
and the catch Navy and Alice.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
They're just going at.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
It, just on him, and they look over. I feel
like she would have heard of this already in real life, though,
because that taxi driver would have told everybody gossiping about
them right away. Oh I dropped them off too, I
just dropped off, and she had already heard about her parents.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Oh there. There was a funny part before that too,
as they're walking down the hallways toward that room and
Cook is saying, yeah, this is it's a bourbon and
it's got notes of what are you saying vanilla and
vanilla and tobacco, And they're like what and then that
calling or whatever. He's like, don't interrupt him. He's elevating us, sick.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
The city native city Native.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Teaching them about bourbon and its notes of vanilla or whatever.
It's not just any old bottle, just a bottle of booze.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
That's me when I'm at work, the notes in the.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
It's got a smoky it's got a nice.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Smoky after it has that really vanilla forward. That first
sip really hits you with vanilla, but then your exhale
is just this nice smoky.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Everyone's like, I have.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
To go drink down there, sickn elevate us ev.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Drink knowledge.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Drink knowledge, my drinks.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Excuse me, they're crafted cocktails.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Oh, it's not just some bottle.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
You need to sip on it.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Don't just throw it back, just enjoy it. Yeah. I
thought that shocked me, though I was. I wasn't expecting
her to walk in, and then I thought like they would,
she would find out some other way, But that was fast,
like they like right away at the end of the episode.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
She just caught them, and I was like, oh my
God ended with a banger.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Literally literally, he's only been a dad for two days,
but he found a way to traumatize his daughter, found
a way to traumatize this kid in forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Remember in this whole episode, Neevie is like mad at
at Ciaia and then look at her picking up with
him that while wheber she was just like, that's why
she didn't want a babysit, And she was snapping her
eyes and just acting somehow towards Ciaia, and she's like,
you can't be mad at me, Like I have a
right to like get to oh my dad, you know.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Here that whole time. That was her foreplay.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, yeah, and he obviously likes to be bully.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Just turned him on. Yeah, well that that was a
good way to end the episode and to up the
drama in the episode. So it's like you're halfway through
the series and you're like, Okay, now this is is
just gonna go, you know. So I really like what
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they're doing with it. I like where it's going after this,
and so many smart things about these two episodes too.
Just you're vested at this point. You're just like totally
vested in these characters.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
We've had a dump fire, We've had a breakup, the
caribou kill, yeah, the breakup, her new job, and a human.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
So much going on already. I love it. I love
this so far and cannot wait to get to the
next two episodes. Anything else that you guys want to
say about these two episodes? We didn't that we didn't
talk about.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
Oh back in episode three, So did you guys notice
how when So when Siaya was kind of like laying
into her dad about the the report that he wrote
and everything, and she was just hitting him and then
they kind of had like a little bit of back
and forth and it was kind of like a little
bit of an like emotional breakthrough. And then that's when
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mystical music Caribou shows up.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Oh ye in the thing.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
And then a little bit later here we have Navy
and Bun and they're having that's when they finally get
to their like real emotional talk, like they call my
mama Hollwood whatever. But that's what was really bothering Bun,
and so Navy had to actually go into grandma mode
and you know, have a heart to heart with her granddaughter.
(45:06):
And then all of a sudden, mystical music caribou again.
So it's just I just kind of noticed that, and
I was like, here's I mean, that's not a way
to throw in like a funny trope that they It
wasn't like an eagle flying yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Story.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, Well that's like an ego for us. Maybe that's
what they care for them, that's their ego.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Maybe, yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
I was like, maybe this is their mystical animal, this
is their.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Egle, this is their buffalo, buffalo, buffalo something, they're white buffalo.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Because I noticed it was just like all of a sudden,
I was like, this is the first time they did
kind of like a funny trope where they like a
native trope where they threw in stickle music all all
of a sudden, and I was like, what, that's a
good catch character.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
They were acting like how we act when we see
an eagle. We're driving right away casino.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I Also, I really like Navy because she just gave
all the grandma's out there and grandpas and uncles and
aunties and relatives the the solution to when little kids
copy you remember, so she was copying her and then
she'd say something and then she'd copy her back and
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then what did she say?
Speaker 4 (46:39):
I like when Grandma spits in my eye, like, oh
you do you do?
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Okay? Come here?
Speaker 3 (46:48):
I was like, oh my god, such an ingenious solution.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
But that's why I like that those that scene too,
where that she's there together Bun and Neebe, because it
kind of shows like Bun's side her give you like, welcome,
where's dad is? Oh?
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Yeah, she asked one like her and when ana are
going to go home?
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Her mom was just like, I think you're going to
be staying with.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Me, and that's probably why she's acting out and yeatuff
you know is her dad and doesn't know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
All right, So we're given episode three, episode four.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
We can especially in the last episode. Yeah, I'm not
watching those next two episodes.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
You have to stop yourself.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
I wanted to know what she's going to say to
them or what she's going to do to her parents,
but I'm holding off.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
All right, So stay at the edge of your seat. Yeah,
and we will tackle episode six next week.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, we're halfway through now.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
You have please do all right, stay on the journey
with us as we take on North of North yay yay,
and continue to listen to the Red Gaze even though
we haven't posted anything for a while. Wherever you get
your podcast, listen to us when you're enjoying recommendation as well.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
And yeah next, yeah, flutes and feathers, eagles cry, No
more saviors, no more lies waiting for better days. We'll
be here with our reg guys. Hi, hey, hey, here,
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here
For your chie band again.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Man you bud us on us green dyed.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
With paints and wigs and old end days, everything but
our Red Gaze. Hi hi ya, hi yo.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Who yore Hey everybody, Welcome to The Red Gaze. Welcome
back to our ongoing series North of North. Today we
are taking on episode three and four. I'm host Cheryl
Carey of The Red Gaze. I am here with my
fellow podcasters Marley Finley Hello, and Delanne Longfeather Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
So episode three dump kean on your Indian name, Ma.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Right away.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And episode four Joy to the effing world my Indian name.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Some pretty fun.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Episodes here we have to go over. If you've been
listening to our podcast, you know that we are totally
in love with this series. Yes, and today we're going
to talk a little bit about some of the bright spots.
What was your favorite scene of episode three?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
All of her scenes with Kook Oh, yeah, the little
buddy romances, yes, little Prince.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
They had some funny like Cook is kind of funny too,
like kinda saying some little funny things to like see
se Ya and Alistair about their relationship. Like the part
that made me laugh was where you know is really
talking to her dad and saying like, you don't even
like come around, and you haven't been around forever, and
haven't you ever wanted to start fresh? When she's like,
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not like you care, but my life has been a
bit of a and he's like dumpster fire. Kind of
that made me lie and then she was like tough
and then he kind of got like my my favorite
parts were anything with Jeffrey, the native guy that works
at the Dumb He's my favorite character of this whole
(02:21):
show so far. I think he's hilarious. Now he's trying
to like lie first and he's just not even good
at it.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I'd have to make up the hair and their job
and their face time for that, up a backstory for
because it caught her on camera.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And then Helen is like, that's yahya, well it could
be a man and a woman's park. He's trying to
help her out any way he can. Well.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Had two favorites. The opener how she's all excited to
like open up, and she's like, oh, I thought we
opened up at nine, and then her two friends time
as a colonial construct. The other one's like, well, we
take our cues from the sun, the wind, the snow
formasons she's like, hurry up, my feet or numb. It's like,
oh okay, And I.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Love her little purple jacket or whatever she puts on
them in the beginning. It probably does have a name,
you know. It looked like something maybe like how we
have our ribbonskirt, some jacket she put on. I really
liked it.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I made a note on that one too, because the
scene we're talking about is kind of at the beginning
of the episode where she's getting ready to go to
work and she's trying on all these different little jackets. Yeah,
she finally tries on like her traditional top. She's like
gives herself the guns. And I thought that was so
cool because it's like, here's what she's most comfortable in.
(03:47):
Here's what she's gonna wear for her first day of work.
And so I like little things like that where it's
just a little subtle message, but it says a lot,
you know what I mean, Like all of this other
stuff wasn't comfortable for her. She was most comfort when
she was just being her indigenous self. They don't make
a big thing out of it. It's just a little
piece that says a lot.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It still relates to every other like show where every
girl is like, oh my gosh, what am I gonna wear?
Like all this and they do all the different outfit
changes and stuff. So it still relates to something that
a white person could see and be oh, yeah, she's
panicking about what she's gonna wear her first day, her
first day. But with this one, it throws in the
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cultural aspect of it, and so it works for whoever
the viewer.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Is right because even in like the non native movies,
like if they're trying on all these different dresses and
stuff and then they find the one, it's kind of
like that encapsulates the character. Yeah, and so yeah, that
was cool for this one too. My favorite scenes were
the ones with Navy and Bun.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Oh yeah, I just you know, because when you have
a granddaughter. She made me grandma, I know, I know
it's corrupting her grandfather.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
To give the real bird. Didn't even listen to the
teacher to her out of school.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yeah, She's like, I'm just gonna take her then because
she got she got chastised for giving everybody the bird
and the Canadian flag.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Where her Grandma's kind of like, I love that.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
They just kind of spent the day together playing hooky
and stuff. And one of the key things that happened
is after she's teaching her the ways of the bird,
and then Bunn sort of confides in her that they
called her mom a hoe. So she's like, your mom's
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not a hoe. And second of all, it's me and
your mom and you forever. You know that three generations connect.
I got caught right in the fields. Yeah the first
time I seen it. Oh that's that's how it is.
You need generations. So yeah, I love that, even though
Niv's like this really hard character, like she's there as grandma.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So how this episode starts, she throws the big ox
or whatever it's called, the plushy that she got from
uh ting, and it starts on fire, accidentally starts a fire.
She doesn't know it's still burning or whatever, and then
she and then she says joy and she throws it
(06:39):
into the dome. So she goes to her first day
of work. Of course, her first day of work, the
first person who walks in is her dad and cook.
So he walks in and they all kind of stand
there and just like awkward. Okay, so I have to
(06:59):
ask because comes in with ouster and he has braids.
Braids are no braids.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I think if he did his braids a little different,
or they're a little longer, I would wouldn't mind it.
I didn't mind his braids, but yeah, or he did
just one braid or something kind of look like Pippy
long stock short. Maybe he could just do one braid
or a bun for you know, oh a bun man.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
But yeah, yeah, you gotta have the thickness of the hair.
I just I just want to say for everybody out
there that we have coined the phrase, if your braids
aren't girthy, you're not worthy.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Worse braids.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
There's some pretty tiny breeds.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
His are not even close to being the worst.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Lie.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
No, I liked his hair down. It looks good down
those two those two little braids just made the little
prints look.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Like a little brain, like a little prince. I saw
those and I was like, Oh, I'm like, who braided
your hair? Maybe his braids will get better as he
gets more like in tune with his culture.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
So my thoughts were like, as an actor, they only
gave him like a certain amount of time, Like he
only got like a couple a few months to grow
out his hair or something. So then my like nerdy,
behind the scenes type of person that I am. I
was like, wow, how if you were a writer, how
were you going to play this? Like maybe say he
cut them recently because he had a death in the family.
(08:40):
He lost something, you know, he lost the lost a
relative and so he cut his hair, so it's just
growing back. Like maybe that would be a backstory to
explain why he's got these sad little braids.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But they were just like braided, weird, like it had
two ponytails and then the braid and then another ponytails.
I don't know, it didn't who raised his hair.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Maybe they did that as a thing. He's a city boy,
so he didn't know how to do his hair. So
maybe this is just his first attempt of China.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Those were not dancer braids. Those are like Grandma braided
your hair braids.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Maybe yeah, maybe he really was the actor who did
his own braids. I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
They're like, you're indigenous, do your own braids.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
He's like, how the hell do I do? Break?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
He's on TikTok watching out a break.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I haven't gotten speaking of like you know, cook and
then now and her dad I wonder. I haven't. I've
only watched, like I'm only keeping up with each episode
as we go, so I don't know what's happened yet
in the future episodes. But I wonder how she I
don't know if they explore this how she feels about
finding out that she's half white, Like, I wonder what
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you know, how that feels. You grew up this whole time, Yeah,
with your indigenous side and you're like, oh, my mom
never talked about my dad. Probably just assume your dad's
like another native guy. Yeah, and then you come to
find out your dad's a white guy, just a purty
white guy. Like that would be interesting too. I think
(10:12):
if they would explore like her feelings on oh, I'm
not even half you know, so you know that does
happened to because that happened to what's her name in
Reservation Dogs too, Oh Laura, Laura, Yeah, and she like
she was like, what you know?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
And actually it's kind of funny because in episode four
we do come Yeah, she says, what would she say?
You're not the only half breed without a dad, and
then she's like get gets all offended and she's like, oh,
you younger generation you're so sensitive.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
You're a half breed eskimal, get over it. Oh yeah,
She's like, don't call me that. It's dehumanizing, like she's
less human because.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Her mom had no sympathy for her.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
No sympathy. All Right, So they find out that Yaya
was the one who started the fire, and so she's
back on the hot seat again with Helen.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I thought that was also funny how they all went
out there to go check out the dumpster fire.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, yeah, there's nothing up there.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Well I had made note because I thought it was
the scene kind of leading up to that was funny
to me because, Okay, so you know, it's CIA's first day.
She goes in. She's a little eagle beaver and they
call they called her a keener. I don't know what
that means. I didn't get a chance and maybe that's
a Canadian like uh, suck up or something. But right
(11:54):
away Helen she was like, oh, I have to read
this really boring report. And then she's like, oh, it's
your first day. You read the report, give me the
gist of it. And then when Alistair and Cook come
in there, she was sitting there and she was like,
I had so many favorite parts and then she's giving
panic looks over remembers, Yeah, yeah, I remember.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I was telling you.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, you know, She's like, oh, yeah, I'm going to
take credit for this. You do all the work for Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I was like and like siah Ya like knows what
she was talking about too, But she was telling her
dad in the car, like, you can tell you haven't
been here in twenty some years because like the Parma
Frost is not Parma Frost anymore, and we have direct
flights to win a peg and we're getting one to
Calgary and stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yeah, And that was also when she was showing them
around their offices or whatever. She's like, these are our offices.
We have desks. This is my desk, and then she
takes them to their office and she's like, here's your office.
I'll scrounge up some chairs and a and a light
bulb for that one lamp that's sitting in there. And
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then Kook is like, what's that smell? And Alistair already
knew he was like the dumps on fire.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
So Alan like like headed out of there to try
to like stop the fiasco. That was this whole like thing.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
You distract him in here just they knew the whole time.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I know.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I like that their they're entertainments. Go out there and
watch the firemen.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And pick out which one they like, the hot fireman.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
You can just imagine anyone under there. Everybody had their
folding chairs out and everybody was joining. You can see
the other people bringing snacks and they had.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Cool, little, cool little blankets. They get uncomfortable sitting out there.
It's been a long time.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Since we had a good dumpster fire, a good dump fire.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So Jeffery's doing everything he can to save Cela and
her job, but it's Alistair who comes in and saves
her by saying, she's my daughter. Oh yeah, so now
she's the little princess.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Helen was like, why everybuddy sees her as their daughter?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah? She thought he was talking durtively.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
She's like, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
My favorite was I think he's trying to be white Savior. Yeah,
how we've talked white Savior so many times and for
her to just be like click, it clicked.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And the other funny line that was in that scene
is she's like, of course I got a kid. I'm
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So yeah, he found out he has a grandpa.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah, right after his granddaughter took down A took to me.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
It's funny because he first he found out he had
a daughter and then now then just like they're just
throwing at it now and then you find out me
as a granddaughter. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
So in the meantime, Navy and Bun, she begs a
reindeer age. She begs her first reindeer, so she takes
after her dad. Yeah, And I thought that was really
cool how they they celebrate by like chopping it up
right there, just like handed it out and I came
over and drabbed a leg and looked up. I was like, oh,
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just drabbed a haunch and walked home.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That part, Yeah, that part made me laugh too, because
remember Uha and her dad show up, and then they
pull up together and their mom, the mom, he's just
glaring at him and he was like, she's a complicated woman.
And I was like, oh, she looks scary.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
And then the episode ends with the version of Time
after Time.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah. Yeah, I've had that song stuck in my head
now sign.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So I just love how they're including all this music.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
So I did nerdy stuff on the music.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Who would you find out?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
So at the beginning of the episode, there was this
it's called no Evil by Shawnnie Kish. So she's actually
Mohawk from Canada and identifies as two spirit and she's
married to an Olympic.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Buma hopper.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yep, her wife is Jenkish. I forgot to look up
what she was into, but that didn't matter. But they're
they're finding local artists. And then the time after time
it was called uh time manga ti mangla, mack tamglamock
and then by Elicipe.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So I wonder if that's like one of their words
or something, because you know, like my friend's daughter's name
is like Yanaba and that's a Navahole word for pretty
or beautiful, So I wonder Melissap is like maybe because
now it's the second time we hear the name. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
And then she's from uh none of It. She's she's
Canadian inook. So it was just kind of like, oh,
they're they're pulling artists because in the next episode two
there are more there's another artist from none of Us.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Oh that's so cool, all right, So that ends episode
three and then we go on to episode four, Joy
to the effing World.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Sorry, I'm pulling the mills right now, I know exactly
all right, starts with another throat singing song, which is
way cool, like Pixic.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, Maria, so that was so cool.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Starts with the casket being flown.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
In on a connected to a helicopter. Just everybody's like.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh, hell of a way to start an episode, like
what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, and someone was like it's okay. You know it
could happen to anybody, right, so you know ciaing to.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Do with and again it's so funny. Then they do
like a retro perspective, so that says twelve days earlier,
so now you're finding out what leads up to this
casket swinging in. And it starts with Helen of course
and her first world problems of her wine night zoom.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah it gets rescheduled.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yep, it gets rescheduled, so it conflicts with Elder Knight.
So of course Cia is like all game to do
Elder Knight.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
So I like how Helen tried to like hmm, like
she wasn't gonna like she didn't immediately think of dumping
this onto seat.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right so she could have her mal back. Yeah, she's
talking about how it has to get flown it. They
had to pick it out and fly it in, and
it's all complicated to get her bottle of wine.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Just like your cheeseburger. I want this specific cheeseburger bacon
on it. And so then she gets This is where
some of the scenes with Kook now, so he's like
your partner in crime. He shows up and helps with
Elder Knight. That's where the cute little flirtation thing goes on,
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which is I think really cool. And then as the
episode goes on, they you know, they're they're going through
the Elder Knight and all the things that happened with
Elder Knights. So lots of good scenes in this episode too.
What what was your favorite scene out of this episode?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
My favorite scene was where you know, they go up
to the elders, the grandpa's, and right away those grandpa's
are like, who's your mom? Like yeah, and when she
says this is my mom, like oh yeah, I could
tell now I know your mom and you look like her,
you know, like, let's your mom.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Basically, those the elder guys they find out who her
mom is. And then I like that scene too because
it was kind of like something we were talking about
in the last podcast about how they mentioned he said
something like I knew your mom and those were hard
times or something like that. Yeah, it's good that she's
sober now and stuff, and.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
She's sobered up.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
And that look that Cook gave her. And then she
was like kind of embarrassed or whatever. But like we
said in the last podcast, they talked about it, they
mentioned it, but then they just let it go, you
know what I mean. It wasn't like a big thing.
They didn't embarrass her about it. It wasn't a big conversation.
It was just like life was tough back then. Now
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things are better. Yeah, you know, so I thought that
was really cool that that was a part of it too.
Like they didn't make this big thing out of it.
It was just like it's life and we move on,
you know, and she's a good kid and she's doing
good things, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
And then they kind of like added to it. Not
only did they take they talk about you know, like, yeah,
it was hard back then, but then she got her store,
she made her store, and now she speaking a good living.
So you know, they actually spun it into a positive
You're just kind of like she had her hard times
but look at how good she's doing now and she's
helping us. Yeah, the story, she's doing good for the community.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, I thought that was really cool. I really liked that.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
And speaking of right before this, how ah, this is
a little bit relatable for me. But uh, she was like,
oh at the beginning, she was like, can you watch
bun tonight. Her mom's just like nope, it's a work thing,
and she's like, welcome to being a single.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Mom was like your kid around.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, but then she goes expert level parenting and then
her mom is just like Bannic's burning and that goes
to Yeah, when those grandpa's were critiquing Dark, they're like.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It's kind of hard and it kind of burnt too,
like you use too much baking power. I really knew.
I was like, oh my god, that's kind of scary.
I don't want to make firebread now. I'm scared. That
made me think of remember the conversation that Victor's mom
(22:12):
has and smoke signals. She said that's how she learned though,
to make her bread good was people would tell her
you use too much, this, too much. Yeah, so that's
how you learn.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I'm still scared to make frybrid too, because my mom
said a man handled a dope. I don't know, it's
all that rage, it's all that social justice rage I have.
I don't think it's going to change, all right. So
then uh Seaya gets the idea to bring in all
(22:44):
the little kids.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
She has to yeah with slushies.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
That was That was one of my favorite parts too,
is when they get to the oh, cook says, we
got to hit the streets. So they go out and
they try to. They go to the playground, mm hmm.
The little kids in there right away, would you like
to spend some time with the elder twenty bucks?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
They say right off the bat, just bad right away.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I was like, well, I mean it's kind of how
it is these days.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, what I mean like, well, they ended up going
out to the streets because remember they were in the
radio station. They finally were. They're trying to announce it
on the radio.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, and kids don't listen to them.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, so that's why they had to go out. Like
I never this is the closest I've ever been to
being on a radio like on this podcast. I've never
they always put natives in a radio like a radio station.
I've never even been in a radio station.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, that's what we've been talking about for a while now,
Like why is the radio station such a critical piece
of all these movies? Is it just a trope that
got adopted or from soak signals or those older movies?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Was there was natives in US radio?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You can't see where was the first radio thing?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Native? Yeah? Well, like all our residents have their own radio.
But I feel like it's only one person. You know,
they's got to put like the main character in a
radio station, or like even on the the look was
it the lacrosse? Oh yeah, cricket arrows, croocked arrows. Those
kids were in high school and they were doing a
(24:25):
radio show, a little radio show.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I don't understand it either.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Anybody, anybody has some insight, let.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
They like shoehorn it into every I feel like a
lot of movies and shows there's a radio, a radio
and the native, the one about the biking, remember that contest,
the contest the radio too.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Maybe there's just no other way to narrate, or it's
an easy way to like narrate something. I don't know.
But then in this case, we really didn't help. It
was just there.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I don't know. Smoke signal started it all.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's a mystery, all right, and then oh.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
The what's her mom's name? Again?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And Alistair keep running into running, keep running into each
other conveniently my cab. I'm like, well, they're in the
same cab.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I already know, and they're doing a little role play thing.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I was like, okay, they're going to end up.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
And he's like, back to the hotel, and she's just like,
she didn't say her destination at all. She didn't say
drop me out at my house before we get to
that hotel.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
City right away, she was really trying to act tough
like she didn't want him, And as soon as she
said back to the hotel, she just crumbled because she
was trying to say we don't know each other. And
right away when he said let's go to the hotel,
then she just well yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
When they were in line there and she was just
she's like, well, you're a crap be dad, and he's.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Like, wow, I didn't even know. I didn't even have
a chance.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I didn't know he's known for like a date.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah I know. And then what they said something else,
and because he wanted her to apologize and then she
said something and she's like and he's like, you suck
at apologizing and she's like, I wasn't apologizing. I'm like,
that's a pure end in like admit that you kind
of did something wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And it's like that's what you're getting.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
You're not getting an actual I'm sorry, you're not getting
an actual apology. I'll just whatever you want to go eat.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
So yeah, it's kind of crazy in the In those
little scenes too, when they're sitting in the in the
cab and they're kind of doing their little thing in
the back, that cab driver's really looking at them, you know,
he's like, oh, I know where these two are going
to end up. And then when they get back to
the hotel, of course, the scene shows them like and
(27:01):
she's like, there's so many layers. I know.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
They're just taking off suret half sweater after sweater.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
He still had.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Then he had a tank top. Finally at the end.
What I thought was cool in that scene, though, I noticed,
was like made it more intense too. Was the dead
a throat singing in the back.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Oh yeah too.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I was like that's all it was, and like the
whole song, that part was just throat singing. It was
like intense.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I was like, oh my god, you're just in there, Fanny.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yeah, I was trying to fan myself, but it took
too many layers. I was like, well, I can't ruined
them all after I don't know, she was getting mad too.
He almost lost out. She would have found another shirt
under there.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, never mind, all right.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
So then in the episode they go we go back,
we cut back to the Elder night and they're handing
out slushies like cocaine.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And they're adding.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
They're just like, oh, they really had an accordion player
there too. They brought that accordion player playing two different
two like temporary songs.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Yeah, they played a Billie Eilish song and then they
played an a Vichy song.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Ye bad guy, Yeah, the bad Guy by Billy. They're
playing all kinds of weird games, like that bottle game
where they were like having the grandparents like feed each
other a bottle. Yeah, what kind of games that.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Playing?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Baby?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Well, then the lake thing that they're doing, the leg wrestling.
I had, like so many friends do that, like they
like to do and they get drunk, especially after the parties. Yeah,
the game that they like to play, and they had
those old old old guys. I no wonder why that
poor grandpa gave out there.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Well that was what did they call him? And and
Tiluk so what was his namesake or whatever? And tik luk.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, and they really speak we're speaking their language in
this part in this episode.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I like how what they're doing is kind of what
they did in Spirit Rangers were when they use one
of their words, they either like describe it like they're
translating for someone. That's how they that's how they use
it to be like that's what that means, or they'll
reply with the same thing in English, like at the
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very beginning when.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
She was when she was like.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Ulu uluck to them right at the beginning of the episode,
and then Navy REPLI like, oh good morning.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So yeah, then they had they did the same thing
kind of where it seemed like they're saying, Grandpa, I
don't know what the.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Word was, but you kind of got that. And that
reindeer when they saw that reindeer too, Yeah, yeah, that's
that's cool. My baby got a my baby got a caribou.
So it you know, it kind of gives that to you.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
And so they're using the language to also teach you,
but you don't even know that you're learning it because
that's so cool. Yeah, I like.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
So poor Elder Kook though I know that he was
a fun guy. He was a fun guy.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
He was like doing all of the games and was
having fun. He was just having so much fun.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
So, yeah, we find out he's the guy in the coffin.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
One is the one around right. When Helen walked into right,
I had to. I had to PLoP to the ground
when Helen walked in.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Everybody's standing their blue mouths.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
He's dead. She was like, what is going on? You
said you're supposed to just grab the chairs and put
them away or something, put off the coffee.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
She's like, well, technically I did.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Then you think she's gonna get you.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Know, Helen's standing there talking to her and she's like,
goes through all these things that I did, and she's
I'm gonna have to bring down the Helen Hammer.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I didn't give it that name. That's what people say.
It's just what people are saying about me. Just proud,
proud of her name.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I like how she's brought to bring down her Helen
Hammer and hear elicipes like, my brother's here. Oh yeah,
I really think she's gonna get in trouble or That was.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
One of my favorite scenes because he was all small,
I know, herd that on the gun's walking in behind him. Ooh,
he's gonna tear you. That was a funny scene. But
I was gonna also mention that Elicipe comes in and
she goes, my brother's coming in, He's probably gonna curse you.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
And I thought that was like a.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Really smart, badass camera shot of him walking in. You know,
they kind of like a semi slow motion. Yeah, he
comes walking in and of course elips behind him, looking
all smug and stuff, but you know he's just like
dignified elder. They start with his feet and then kind
of pan up.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Like yeah, he's got his stoic Indian look.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Yeah, it's like a mob boss, you know, like a
mob boss walks in or something, and so you get
this like, oh, you know, what's gonna happen sort of
tension thing. So I made little things like that, I
think really make this a series. And it was kind
of like that with a Reservation Dog too, Like they
made smart choices about camera angles and the way they
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did their camera work and things like that, and I
think that's with this one too. That's what we like
to see. It isn't just a camera pointed at who's talking.
Like they use the camera in different ways to also tell.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
A story, like you know, like that camera work shows
how we feel about Yeah, yeah, how ye Like really
you don't want to like let them down? Are you
kind of like scared of this?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's like yeah. So he walks in like a mob boss,
you know, gives us like that sense of like, oh
my god, what's gonna happen, and then kind of ups
the anti when he has Milly translate for him.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Oh I love how he's like, I want you to translate.
My sister says, just knows her just out to her
and like she just translates it to say whatever she wants.
No wonder, she's got a smug face. She's I've been
saying all sorts of things for all these years.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
She's probably counting on him and she's really gonna tell
her off or something.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I know.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
So anyway, they have this other girl translate and then
the sweetest part of this episode I instantly started.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
It got me. I was just they just my tears
just thinked out of the side.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Here he was just quiet and acted like he didn't
want nothing to do with her either.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
When he was an elderly, he was the one that
was kind of looking there, sitting there all judgy like,
so you were thinking he wouldn't like anything.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Yeah, he didn't join in on anything either, Like he wouldn't.
They even asked him to do something and he just
looked away. So you thought, you know, he was coming
in to you know, blame her or say all these
bad things or whatever. And here he just has this
heartfelt you know, like that he died happy.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, And I was like, he died happy and like
he glad that there's somebody like see how y'ah bringing
together elders and the children together.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
He explained how in their traditional back back in the days,
how all these generations would be together and they would
all do these activities. And he was just like, over
time that has been lost.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Right. He talked about joy, you know, because I mean
that's that's how she started the episode, you know, like
she threw that thing out when she talked about joy,
and and I like that they brought it full circle,
and he talked about, you know, in order to survive
really tough times, you need to have that you know,
social interaction and that joy. That's what brings joy. Yeah,
(35:39):
like being a part of community and interacting with people
and stuff. And so his friend was so happy, he
and he died really happy.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
So just gotch you in the fields man.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
And it was all in their language too. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I know, I'm choking up a little bit and already
because I'm it's fresh, yeah, really fresh.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
And again it's it's such a good positive message because
I think so much of non Native America when they
look at Natives, all they see is like the bad
things about our community, and they don't realize that there
was always joy and always strong relationships and people who
(36:25):
would take care of community and all those things. And
so it's a little bit harder to see those things,
you know.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I remember I was speaking somewhere doing some kind of
speaking occasion. This was way long time ago, and this
non native guy came up to me and he said,
we have a foster child living with us, he said,
and he's enrolled at Standing Rock and he said, we
(36:53):
we you know, he's I don't know, he was getting
a little older. I don't know, it was about ten
or eleven or something, and he said, we, you know,
put him in a car and we drove down to
Stanley Rock and we drove around the reservation and we
showed him, you know, this is who you are, you know,
this is your culture or whatever. And he was traumatized
and he said he didn't want to be native and
(37:14):
he didn't want anything to do with his native side
or whatever and stuff. And I remember I was kind
of a little bit shocked at first, but I remember
thinking and then ultimately what I told him is like, well,
that's because you didn't show him his culture. You showed
him poverty. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like he
saw the outer trappings of poverty and the things that
(37:36):
were taken from us, all the things that were taken
from us, but he didn't get to see the things
that weren't taken from us, the joy and the relationships
and the depending on each other and all those sorts
of things. And I think, I think a lot of
people have that misconception too, right, So they look at
the outer stuff and they don't see what's underneath.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
They like, they probably didn't see that inside of one
of those you know, government houses, is a full family
that are all laughing together, and you know there's a
grandma with her grandchildren who are saying something goofy and
they're laughing, and that's kind of what you Lazarus was saying.
You know, despite all of the negative things, all the
(38:21):
bad things that we have to go through, especially living
up there, it's that's hard. You know, those are besides
all those hardships, you still find a way to find joy,
just like we find a way to find humor in
a lot of things. Just kind of relatable and I
think that's why it probably hit a little bit harder,
but it was like nice to have. I think each
(38:43):
episode has a really a couple of really good, like
emotional moments, but being surrounded in like comedy and surrounded
in like happiness, right.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
And I think that's such a smart way to really
touch on native issues. You know. It's like sometimes I
feel like, especially when you have a white director, they
want to hit you over the head with a sledgehammer,
you know what I mean, and make it really heavy
and really right in your face. And there's and there's
something I think that can be said about like how
subtle this series is, but it's still making some really
(39:19):
important points. So then we kind of towards the end
of the episode, then we cut back to oh god.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh they're all excited because Helen was trying to fire her.
Then all, yeah, we can keep her.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah because the Godfather. The Godfather said she did a
good thing. So then she kept her and so they
went to celebrate. Then it was what made me laugh
to and made me feel like this is the show
by natives, was I got a bottle.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I got a bottle back to my room.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
It really opens the door welcome to the chills of.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Oh my god. That was yeah. And then they catch
and the catch Navy and Alice.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
They're just going at.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
It, just on him, and they look over. I feel
like she would have heard of this already in real life, though,
because that taxi driver would have told everybody gossiping about
them right away. Oh I dropped them off too, I
just dropped off, and she had already heard about her parents.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Oh there. There was a funny part before that too,
as they're walking down the hallways toward that room and
Cook is saying, yeah, this is it's a bourbon and
it's got notes of what are you saying vanilla and
vanilla and tobacco, And they're like what and then that
calling or whatever. He's like, don't interrupt him. He's elevating us, sick.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
The city native city Native.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Teaching them about bourbon and its notes of vanilla or whatever.
It's not just any old bottle, just a bottle of booze.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
That's me when I'm at work, the notes in the.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
It's got a smoky it's got a nice.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Smoky after it has that really vanilla forward. That first
sip really hits you with vanilla, but then your exhale
is just this nice smoky.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Everyone's like, I have.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
To go drink down there, sickn elevate us ev.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Drink knowledge.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Drink knowledge, my drinks.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Excuse me, they're crafted cocktails.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Oh, it's not just some bottle.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
You need to sip on it.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Don't just throw it back, just enjoy it. Yeah. I
thought that shocked me, though I was. I wasn't expecting
her to walk in, and then I thought like they would,
she would find out some other way, But that was fast,
like they like right away at the end of the episode.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
She just caught them, and I was like, oh my
God ended with a banger.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Literally literally, he's only been a dad for two days,
but he found a way to traumatize his daughter, found
a way to traumatize this kid in forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Remember in this whole episode, Neevie is like mad at
at Ciaia and then look at her picking up with
him that while wheber she was just like, that's why
she didn't want a babysit, And she was snapping her
eyes and just acting somehow towards Ciaia, and she's like,
you can't be mad at me, Like I have a
right to like get to oh my dad, you know.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Here that whole time. That was her foreplay.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, yeah, and he obviously likes to be bully.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Just turned him on. Yeah, well that that was a
good way to end the episode and to up the
drama in the episode. So it's like you're halfway through
the series and you're like, Okay, now this is is
just gonna go, you know. So I really like what
(43:33):
they're doing with it. I like where it's going after this,
and so many smart things about these two episodes too.
Just you're vested at this point. You're just like totally
vested in these characters.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
We've had a dump fire, We've had a breakup, the
caribou kill, yeah, the breakup, her new job, and a human.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
So much going on already. I love it. I love
this so far and cannot wait to get to the
next two episodes. Anything else that you guys want to
say about these two episodes? We didn't that we didn't
talk about.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
Oh back in episode three, So did you guys notice
how when So when Siaya was kind of like laying
into her dad about the the report that he wrote
and everything, and she was just hitting him and then
they kind of had like a little bit of back
and forth and it was kind of like a little
bit of an like emotional breakthrough. And then that's when
(44:38):
mystical music Caribou shows up.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Oh ye in the thing.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
And then a little bit later here we have Navy
and Bun and they're having that's when they finally get
to their like real emotional talk, like they call my
mama Hollwood whatever. But that's what was really bothering Bun,
and so Navy had to actually go into grandma mode
and you know, have a heart to heart with her granddaughter.
(45:06):
And then all of a sudden, mystical music caribou again.
So it's just I just kind of noticed that, and
I was like, here's I mean, that's not a way
to throw in like a funny trope that they It
wasn't like an eagle flying yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Story.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, Well that's like an ego for us. Maybe that's
what they care for them, that's their ego.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Maybe, yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
I was like, maybe this is their mystical animal, this
is their.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Egle, this is their buffalo, buffalo, buffalo something, they're white buffalo.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Because I noticed it was just like all of a sudden,
I was like, this is the first time they did
kind of like a funny trope where they like a
native trope where they threw in stickle music all all
of a sudden, and I was like, what, that's a
good catch character.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
They were acting like how we act when we see
an eagle. We're driving right away casino.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I Also, I really like Navy because she just gave
all the grandma's out there and grandpas and uncles and
aunties and relatives the the solution to when little kids
copy you remember, so she was copying her and then
she'd say something and then she'd copy her back and
(46:37):
then what did she say?
Speaker 4 (46:39):
I like when Grandma spits in my eye, like, oh
you do you do?
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Okay? Come here?
Speaker 3 (46:48):
I was like, oh my god, such an ingenious solution.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
But that's why I like that those that scene too,
where that she's there together Bun and Neebe, because it
kind of shows like Bun's side her give you like, welcome,
where's dad is? Oh?
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Yeah, she asked one like her and when ana are
going to go home?
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Her mom was just like, I think you're going to
be staying with.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Me, and that's probably why she's acting out and yeatuff
you know is her dad and doesn't know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
All right, So we're given episode three, episode four.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
We can especially in the last episode. Yeah, I'm not
watching those next two episodes.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
You have to stop yourself.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
I wanted to know what she's going to say to
them or what she's going to do to her parents,
but I'm holding off.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
All right, So stay at the edge of your seat. Yeah,
and we will tackle episode six next week.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, we're halfway through now.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
You have please do all right, stay on the journey
with us as we take on North of North yay yay,
and continue to listen to the Red Gaze even though
we haven't posted anything for a while. Wherever you get
your podcast, listen to us when you're enjoying recommendation as well.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
And yeah next, yeah, flutes and feathers, eagles cry, No
more saviors, no more lies waiting for better days. We'll
be here with our reg guys. Hi, hey, hey, here,
(48:38):
here
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