October 1, 2024 • 48 mins
The Red Gaze takes on the highly anticipated "Rez Ball" in this episode. Was it a swish or an air ball? Find out what our hooper and guest baller think about this Netflix movie.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warrior jam band again.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Bad you bud us on us green dyed with paints
and wigs and old en days, everything but our red
guess hio he hio, who yore?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hey, everybody, welcome to the Red Gaze. Today we are
taking on the long awaited res Ball. So I have
some ballers in the house. I'm your host, Cheryl Kerry,
and I am here with Marlee Finne, a regular Marley Finn. Hello,
And we have a guest in the house. Travis Albers.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Had to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We are taking on Risball because, as we know, it
just came out on September twenty seventh, and I'm sure
everybody all over the country was watching as well long away.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
You've seen so many people posting about it on Facebook
on Snap like why it yep.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So, before we get started, we don't know too much
about Resball. We do know it was directed by Sydney Friedland.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I have the synopsis here. So the synopsis for this
movie is The Chesca Warriors, a Native American high school
basketball team from New Mexico, must band together after losing
their star player if they want to keep their quest
for a state championship alive.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So we want to start with just kind of your
overall impression of this film.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
I liked it.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
It seemed very it was very real, like a lot
of the stuff those kids went through, especially losing it.
I lost a teammate during one of my seasons when
I played in Newtown. I was about thirteen years old,
and so that was one of the earliest times I
can remember like going through something like that, And she
was my teammate. We spent a lot of time with her.
(01:52):
She's like a big sister to me. So it was
pretty hard. So just seeing that, and I think a
lot of other Native kids go through that, you know,
So that was that.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I feel like that hit a lot of people hard.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, I think there was people that shared that experience.
I mean it could be any sort of team or
any kind of sport, like I just go.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
To school classmate.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, I definitely hit home with me in a lot
of aspects too. And I think it wasn't over the
top though.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, you know, so it.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Wasn't like too dramatic. It's like this is pretty pretty real,
pretty realistic in other ways. Yeah, So I could see
coming from Shannon River Reservation and living in a according
to a small reservation school whatever. I see a lot
of those parallelses that I lived through and a lot
of my teammates lived through as well.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I have to say I had low expectations, yeah, because
you know, sometimes when you expect too much out of
a movie, it kind of lets you down. You think,
oh god, it's just going to be the spectacular thing.
So maybe that's why, Yeah, I felt like this was
just right spot on. They hit what they needed to hit.
Nothing was too over dramatic, nothing was too faky. There
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was a couple of names. I'll have to be at
the name moment time, but I think overall, it just
really did a good solid job of just hitting the
issues and you know, the challenges and the feel of
what it's like, you know what I mean. All Right,
so we are going to start with our favorite scene,
(03:20):
your fancy dance Feather.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
My favorite scene was probably when she took the boys
out to her grandma's and they had to and they
had to herd the little sheep back to her fence or whatever,
and they talk about going to sheep camp, like I
don't know if that's real, Like I wish we had
somebody that's found down there that maybe that's.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
A real thing.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
They go to she.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And you know, they learn how to take care of
their sheep or whatever. I don't know, but I thought
that was funny and I thought that was like a
good team bonding exercise for them. As like an older
person watching her like work with her team and stuff.
I'm like, oh, that's a good way to get them
to like get on the same page and start working
together and communicating. So yeah, I really liked that, and
(04:08):
it was just funny.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
That was a really cool scene. I think the whole
scene because Grandma and Benny and the coach we were
sitting back there playing post yeah, waiting for them. Yeah,
in twenty minutes, she said, could I just got my dogs?
That was great. So I'm interested to know if you
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two ballers ever had a coach go all like team
bonding experience or we're going to do this traditional thing
together so that we can be a better team.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, any experiences with that, Yeah, So I think it's
a lot of That's the thing a lot of coaches
do to try to get their players to communicate and
to just be a bond and grow closer and stuff.
So I I remember like just a simple one where
my uncle, my uncle was my coach for a long time,
and we would practice falling backwards and catching the teammates.
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So that was one of his exercises to let us
trust each other. Yeah, so he had He didn't made
us do a lot of like exercises and things doing
things together, like fundraising together or just so yeah, a
lot of.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Little exercises like that. We did a lot of stuff
together all the time.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So I laughed because when I played at United Tribes,
Vin Filly did that for us. But we like we
had like a little platform we had to stand. Now
we're kind of high up there, pretty I kept looking back, Yeah,
that's small team at the time my first year, like
eight of us.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
It feels like they're not going to catch you.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Because when we have your little tiny teammates, these are
shaken too.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I was like, you guys to catch me. But in
high school we had I like when he brought when
she brought the new coach, and like her coach from
high school, we had elders come in and talk about
just about being there, right, because I never thought of
it that in that sense, right, or modern day warriors bystanding.
He made smudge with us, and I'm like, okay, this
is bringing in part of who we are as native people,
and I never thought of it that way, and I
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really appreciated that on as I got older.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
But you never had to heard buffalo.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I didn't catch towards this for my dad in the
morning a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
No sheep though, to chase sheep around.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's kind of a good segue into my favorite scene
because it was during that scene when Jimmy steps up
and says, Okay, here's what we're gonna do, and he
admits that he went to sheep camp.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
And they all start teasing and they start teasing him.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Hey, this guy probably washes his hair with yucca, probably
chops wood. All good, all sacred, they said, and they
were just teasing him, and I thought I was really
a good scene because it's it's how we tease, jumping
on him, teasing him for being all secret, yeah, all
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that stuff. It seems really natural the way they were
teasing him, and it's like to see something like that
on film was so cool because it's like, that's that's
how we do it. That's absolutely made it made you
feel like you were there.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I think a lot of favorite scenes, but more like
the realistic ones, and one that really hit home for me.
It was we were talking to ESPN, was talking about
the reservation, right, yeah, but anytime non natves talk about us,
they talk about the worst parts, right, alcoholism and the
violence and all this stuff, right, And all of a
sudden and he says about the one bright spot is basketball,
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and I'm like, because that's all that's all you know
is for which is frustrating. It's like we got we're
bright spot is who we are as people and culture
and all stuff, and they never talk about.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Like our families, our relationships.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It was like, this is what you see, and it's
like you see from the outside, like all this poverty
and all the statistics whatever. It's like, it's like how
much you come to the reservation and see how culture
is and how much we help each other, how family
orientated we are and stuff like that. So that hit
home a lot. So you see it on the reservation,
but you go off the reservation when they when they
talk about kids, is like I guess, but it's like
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we're a lot more than that.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And they like to use the word hopeless and this
gives them hope, and come on, I.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Might have a little bit and I saw that part
I was and they had it was that was that
WOS guy too.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
He just retired.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
He's like a ESPN the latest news all the time.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
All Right, what about your best secondary character? So Jimmy
was kind of the main character. But who stole the
show or who was the best secondary character? Well?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I just wanted to say that I liked the Miles
Martinez avery Hale because he's from m h A. So
he had a couple I was wondering if he was
gonna speak or anything, and he had some scenes where
he did talk and stuff. He was the one making
all the tiktoks all the.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Time after the game and stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
So I was like, oh, that's so cool, and like
you can just tell he's a Hale to this, I
was like, dang. So it was really cool to see
somebody from our res on the big screen. So every
time they were showing the team or whatever, I was
always trying to look for him and you know, just
see if he was in the scene or if he
had any lines or whatever.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Because yeah, just was proud.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
They said that there were five thousand actors or applications
or what do you call it, auditions? Auditions for ten spots,
so I had to play basketball too.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
When it came out, I put in information about my
son's Andander got a letter seemed to come audition and
he didn't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Oh yeah, I don't want to be on TV too.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Bucky Is always sent in her stuff too, did she,
But she was like, yeah, let me use all the
pictures from when we She use all the ones because
she sometimes rides the pine for us at our tournaments,
so she's like me use some of those ones or
championship jacket. He like her like ten second playing times
and then holding her jackets up, her sweaters and everything.
(09:59):
I know that there was like massive talent searches or whatever,
and there was people all over the country that put
in for that, so it was pretty intense. Yeah, so
anybody that could get in there from up here, that's
pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
That's how I always think, like natives are so bucky,
how are you going.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
To get them to act?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And it's like, I think we should do a movie
up this way. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I've been saying that a lot of movies are made
down for like the natives down there.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So like in Navajo Country, they make a lot of
movies about Navajo people and things, and we've reviewed quite
a few of them here and in Canada. They do
a lot in Canada, but this whole Northern Plains middle
there's not much done. And I just think that it
would be so cool to have one for the Northern
plans here.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
But some day, Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Is there in a secondary character that you like?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That was Jimmy's mom And the only reason was because
how many parents do we know, just not in a
mental state or healthy state to go watch your kids
and games and you know, to support their kids like that,
you know what I mean, like maybe have addiction and
struggle with stuff like that, but also that former athletes
right live vicariously to your kids and to try not
to push it. And when I was younger, I always
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wanted to impress my dad. But I was more of
a football player. And I think I tried to play
a football. I got hit by a senior and I
was really little, and I got home. I had my
helmet and my pads. I gave in to my dad.
I was like, I don't want to play. He said, good,
you're more of a basketball player. Anyways, I laughed. I
was like thanks, dad. But because no, I was a
football player, but that was a bullwriter too. I was like,
I don't want to write. In my mind, I was
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working up from football to bulls, but I was like,
I better not. But you see that, right, You see
that with a lot of our kids, like our parents like, well,
I did this in high school and I never wanted
to do that to my son.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You know, I had a good career because I was
on good teams and my son was a bit more
talented I was. But I always wanted him to do
what you love, because that's what my dad told me.
I said, I want you to do what you love.
You don't have to do what I loved. You know,
you do what you But you can see that with
the mom, it's like she wanted to be part of
it because she was a good hooper stuff, you know what.
She wants to support her kid. But of course I
worried about the du Yeah that's got to be scary too.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
That's that's true.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
That I was when her character came on and she
was just like pure negative and like, man, she's a
good character because we all know those people in the community,
you know that are just like you're going.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
To fail anyway. Yeah, we've all heard that.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yes, good characterization too, because she was like hating on
her teammates. Yeah, she's over there acting on Hegh and Mighty, and.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Then you get the real story about her, like how
good she was, you know what I mean. So maybe
she got some personal frustrations too to her own.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, exactly. That's why I think like a real complex
character because you find out like she really she was the.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Ones getting recruited.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, she was the one that probably should have made
the w n B A. And I think that's kind
of seem like the theme of this movie, the mental
toughness that you need to have. I really like that
because I know I've said that for years native players.
Native people have natural talent that's just not even that's
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just a given, like they just they have that natural talent.
It's that mental toughness that sets the ones that really
succeed apart. And this movie seemed to be about that,
you know, like because the ending of the movie, it's
about what you put in your mind.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, and his mom, he was remembering what his mom
was saying, and the freight throw line was like, oh,
I don't be thinking of that's the worst time about
don't think about your mom.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
She was a really good character. I mean not like
a good character, but like a good character because she
really brought a lot too, like the complexity of it.
Probably my favorite secondary character was the grandma Velma one.
I think she was the grandma in Frybred Face and
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me too. She was kind of the same thing. She
she just spoke nevivo and but I think just adding
in that character because we all have those aunties, uncles,
grandma's that we go to, and you know, her being
a critical part of the team I think was really
important part of this movie. And plus she was funny.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yeah, she helped teach them a lesson, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah, what about did you guys have a name moment?
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Just some of my name moments were the way those
players are talking to their coach, like back to their
coach and stuff. I was kind of like, you guys
are supposed to be a successful team. I don't think
you'd really be saying all these kind of things to
your coach, you know, not listening to her mouthing back
or whatever. So like seeing seeing that, I was kind
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of like, I don't think that's kind of a name
moment to.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Me, I think anytime Dallas was because I laugh at
him all the time and it makes me laugh, like
tell stories like that one seconds left Dallas. I know, yeah,
it makes me laugh.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
When I first saw those two together, Dallas and that,
I thought, oh god, Okay, here's where they're going to
go over the top.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
But they didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
I only showed them a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yesh to over top Dallas.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, pretty good. And I love that their their little
group was called.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
SO and SO. I thought that was a good one.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I don't know how many people caught that, but like
so T S O is like a common name down there,
and so that was cute. I was glad to see
that there was no poverty shots right, yeah, like there
were some Reds dogs. I saw some Reds dogs.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Oh yeah. Then I see the two of them booking around.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
But it was just normal homes and you know, normal things,
And I thought that was pretty cool. I'll get your
props for that because it's one of our like our
pet peeves on on the Red Gaze is like, okay,
can we can we stop now with that?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
That's not all there's good parts of the Reds too.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, we always say go show the Chairman's House. Did
you have a name moment?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
No, I think I a couple with like the games,
It's hard. I really look in some parts, like the
Refts would never let like how I felt like playing
non native schools, Like the Rets would never let us
natives talk trash, you know what I mean. It'd be
over there talking about coach, you need to calm down whatever.
And yeah, a lot of them white players got away
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with them, which was frustrating, and get to say whatever
they want and throw some elbows here and there, and
here we retaliate whatever, and we're into trouble. And so
I was like, I don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
In a way, though, I'm glad they didn't throw that
in there, because it is like a commonplace thing where
the refs are obviously going to be you know, a
little biased, unconscious bias, I say, because sometimes we say
that here you want to throw in all these issues
into one movie, but this one kind of stuck to
the main theme.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I would have tooken away from the whole story, right.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I was waiting for somebody to say it though, I
call it both ways or you know, something like that, but.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Never both ways.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Okay. So I didn't have too many name moments on
this in this movie that was pretty cool. One was
the coach drinking wine in the.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
First Oh I seen that too, and I was like,
it's like.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Oh, sitting at home going through your text drinking glass
of wine as if that was my one name moment.
And then the second name moment was the star basketball
player going for the hard working language speaking girl.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Calling Travis because.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Because I know back in the day you probably went
for the pretty ones and the rather than that one
that's at the working hard.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
To a party. Okay, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Not the one that's working.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, the name tag and learning her language.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I'm out of here. Shave him out.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
That was so that was my big name moment. I
was like, yeah, okay, no, that wouldn't happen. But okay,
like it's a movie. Any other scenes that you guys
would like to note in this movie because there was
a lot of good scenes, a lot of quotes.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
And yeah, the scene where they played against the girls,
the main girl that was like scoring all their points,
we played, we would play against.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Her in tournament. So I was like, oh, I recognize
her spin movie.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Yeah, she's a good she's a good shooter. She plays
overseas and stuff. But her name is Analyst Bonelli. Yeah,
so I was like, oh, I didn't know she was
in this movie because she didn't. She finally maybe they're
not supposed to post about it, but she finally started
posting about it yesterday on like Instagram and stuff. So
I thought that was cool to see see they had
some legit basketball players. Yeah, because it was kind of
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funny seeing Amber with thunder Tree, yeah, trying.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
To run around out there.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I did like the ship talking in that scene though.
It was They had some pretty funny lines and that scene.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
That was really realistic too. I think like.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
That and the one girl's guarding her her baby daddy
talking with their kid at home with their ground. That
good like you always have you always have that couple.
What did you guys think of the basketball scenes overall?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
They you could tell they played. They picked peep kids
that can play basketball. I was looking up that Benjamin
Bratt's nephew. He played a Navy he won Nabby.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It was realistic.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
You could tell he played basketball because I was like,
once he was dribbling around and stuff, I'm like, oh, okay,
but yeah, I know that was like a thing for
the auditions they're asking for actual basketball players, you could tell, can.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You mentioned earlier? I think that's something that hit me
for the movie too, is like as Natives were naturally
athletic and good and athletic in a lot of ways.
But it's the mental toughness part. I think that's really
built through, like the coach and like I loved basketball
my whole life, and I never thought I was gonna
go to college and play. But when I when Takla
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was our coach, he made me believe that I could
do it, you know what I mean. I never thought
it would be good enough to come from Tikini school
and go play college basketball and things like that, and
so their coach kind of showed that, and Grandma showed
all these little lessons from people in your community that
we don't you know, that we don't honor enough to say,
well these are these are part of my success. Lucky
to have leaders like that in our life. That's where
the mental toughness came from. Because I remember our first
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day of practice, first meeting Hank, and he talked about
talked about basketball, his passion for it. You can see
it on his face, and I'm like, he's serious. You know,
he's serious about you know, being a modern day word
in this way, you know, he said. And one thing
he said that's really stuck with me too, is like
he said, basketball is a game, he said, but it's
like how you play on the practice and play on
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the court. It's how you can approach life, you know,
if you're working hard all the time whatever. So I
try to do that as a in my job and
as a dad. So I got my mental toughness from
my parents, and of course Hank r learning that in basketball.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
So I think you bring up a good point about
the coach and how critical the coaches, because I like
how this movie showed that part where remember they go
on that losing streak and then the coach is looking
through social media and get a new coach and she
has to be out of there. And I was like, hey,
that's true too, Just like there is everybody thinks they
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can be a coach. You know, everybody's gunning for that
coaching job. Everybody wants to be a coach.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
But coaching easy, even if they're winning, it still happens,
you know, But yeah, true, better, I could do better.
I was like, they're doing pretty good. They don't.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, sure, coaching isn't just about bossing kids around. You
have to inspire them and you know, give them that
confidence and give them that mental toughness. And I just
I kind of laughed when I saw that. I was like, yeah,
that's real true too. She was a good coach.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
And I think the support at the games too, Like
you go into like the district game, a regional game,
like the whole red shows up. Yeah yeah at Tiki School.
I like, I think like forty kids in O High
School and we made it to our our regional game
to go to State. Its like people from a debut
were there, which is very cool. Guys are support to us.
So I really showed in the movie too. It is
like the stands are stands are packed. Natives our game
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it was like three four people the cot together.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Yeah, one native team makes it then the whole state.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I was just reading something recently where when four Winds
made it to State, those years they have sellout crowds,
they make records, you know, because it is you get
people from every reservation, not just Spirit Lake, but you
get people from all the surrounding reservations go and support them,
and so we break records. All the little towns are
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just cleared out. Nobody's home except grandma watching all the grandkids,
the tribes. I was laughing that too, because when they
all get to the tournament and the Dallas Gold Tooth
characters like call those babies sitters, extend those hotel rooms. Yeah,
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we're going on to the next game or something like
that cracked me up. I like the basketball scenes. I
was kind of hoping to see more wider shots of
like how quick, how fast the game is, because literally,
I mean when you go to like independent tournaments, like
sometimes I feel like I'm watching tennis. I mean, I
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think they did a good job of saying, you know,
this is res ball and here's what it is. But
I would have liked to see more wide shots of
actually how quick it goes, because I don't think people
who haven't seen.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
It before really really like a rebound, yeah, like a
rebound defense rebound, how.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Fast we get down the court exactly. So I think
I would have liked to see that a little bit more.
But I'm not complaining because I thought it was good.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yeah, she tried to say, like they want to shoot
it within seven seconds or something, show how fast they play.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, but things like that, you know that spin move
that your friend did, and you know just some of
the uh reverse layups and things like that that happened
that are really quick in the steals man, like some
crazy steals. What about the locker room scenes, would you
guys think?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I think except the talking about.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
No way I'd be able to play if I was.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Talking to my I was never when you're losing.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, it seemed like they had the good, normal kids
locker room. But it's different now they're all on their phones,
you know, posting tiktoks and stuff. I'm like ancient times.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Now on VHS, my mom has got a big bucket
of ours have to dig through it.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Yeah, all my A lot of my games are on VHS.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
BHS.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Kids don't even know what that is days.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I had to laugh when the assistant coach he came
into that that locker room and he's like really smudging
it down, and he's like, I don't know whatever their
word for medicine is. He's like that he's medicine in
this locker room.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I couldn't make a basket tonight. You must have put
medicine on.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
All right, what do you guys think of the villains.
Let's talk a little bit about the villains in this show.
The All Star guy Mason Troy and his coach. I
don't know who that actor is, but he's a villain
in a lot of different shows that I've seen.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
He plays the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, he does play a bad guy, and he does
because he's got a bad guy face, you.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Know, growing up. I don't never see that, like opposing
coach really say anything, but you see him, like you
see the body language faces like towards our coach and stuff,
you know, like the pands, yeah whatever. I've seen that
a lot too, But I don't never really noticed the coach.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Saying much to each other.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I've never seen that either, but you definitely see the
body language.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Think most coaches like talk ship.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Yeah, not like that.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Like shouting it down the court to the to the
other coach. But I mean it did seem realistic, like
in high school, you can have one good player like
that and they could carry the whole team to the
you know, to state championship.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Especially he was going to like Arizona.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Basically, kids are like tall and skinny. Whatever. The skinny
guys whatever and said he got a big built non
native kids corn fed. Definitely accurate, right there.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah he was. I thought he was a good villain.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Yeah, maybe last when he was like when he ran
when he ran by Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, that was a little bit of a name moment
for me too, because it was it was kind of like, Okay,
these white boys really ticked it time to learn some
Now I don't know about that, but okay, but they
start they were like, oh, we can play res ball too,
And it was kind of funny because that Cody Lightning
character one of the commentators, it seems a little bit
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about like cultural appropriation.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah, we always had plays in whatever res we were
playing on, so like when we played at Spirit Lake,
we had a lot of plays that were in Dakota.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
And then Yew back in Newtown, we have plays and
dots and stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Too, So you always incorporate the linch with our plays
as well.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
So I think that's cool. It reminded me of one
of the movies that we reviewed was Cricket Arrows.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Oh yeah, and they did that too, where.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
They called out their plays in the Mohawkers. Yeah, so
they were they were calling out plays in Seneca language,
and then they mispronounced one and it was it was
vagina dodge.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Yeah, and then they just say they didn't throw a
joke like that.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
That's what I was waiting for. I was like, Oh,
it seems like they're doing the cricketer rows thing. I
wonder if they're gonna say a nasty word or something.
I was kind of thinking about that. What do you
guys as ball players think about that? Because it seems
like a lot more teams are culturally appropriating risball, the
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fast run gun type of game. They're like picking it
up and taking it. That seemed realistic to me. What
do you guys think so?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I think that's always worked for our Native kids. I
always hated like setting out plays every time, like I
felt like a robot. Non native teaments did that. But
once I think a lot of our native teams figured
out that the running gun worked for us, and we
started beating our team and beating teams that that was
a big difference for us. I think. I think one
thing for me too is when we were talking about it,
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I don't think like playing against non Native schools in
high school that they really like they didn't want to
shake their hands, even after a game, even if we
did good, you know what I mean, Like we always
were trying to be respectful to teammates, like yeah, telling
the other player a good job whatever, and they were like,
you know, just give us a look like I don't
even want to shake your hand. You know. It was
really disrespectful. Yeah, they even want to sit in their gym,
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you know, stuff like that that's always felt, aren't They Like.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Are scared to come to like your resin, to your
school like that, like we're gonna.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Like murder them. And it's still like that to this day.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Because my boyfriend Joe, his coworker, was talking about going
to Sturgis and you talk about driving through Standing Rock,
but he was scared to drive through Standing Rock. And
Joe was like what why He's like what if I
broke down there? And he was like they would probably
just help you.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Why are you scared of us? So I mean like
that's the things too, is.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Like I remember like parents worried about their kids coming
to and it's still happening. Like I had a friend
her daughter plays volleyball Underwood and I think they were
going to play Standing Rock.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Same thing.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
A lot of parents were like, we're not sending our
daughters down there to play volleyball against them, And she
was really mad about it about that and serious too. Yeah,
so she like spoke up about it because her daughters
are on the on the underwood team, and she's like,
I can't believe all the parents are still so ignorant,
you know, like, you know, so still things like that
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where they're scared to come in this day and age,
you're still scared to come.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
When my son graduated legacy, he wanted to get a
tattoo for his graduation. The guy that does my tattoos
is from pine Ridge. I say not. He goes, well,
a couple of friends want company, my friends whatever. I'm like, yeah,
no problem, and I'll be down there. Three parents calling
me guys going to pine Ridge. Yeah, they might run
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into a red dog here.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
They're like just super freaked out, you know what I mean.
Even my girlfriend who's not native, be on there for
Sundays a couple of years ago, and her dad was
kind of just okay, by yourself while you're dancing. I'm like,
there and everything.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I think what you guys are saying is really true.
Like there's still a lot of really deep rooted fears
and biases against Native people and that, and that comes
out especially in sports, because there was historically a fight
over land, right, and so I think what a lot
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of these small towns really feel like is, oh, it's
they're not supposed to win. We're always supposed to be
the winner, because you know, we're on the land now
and we we conquered this land and we conquered these people,
and so they're not supposed to win. And so when
we do, when it really fucks up their minds, you
know what I mean, it's like, this isn't how it's
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supposed to be. And I think that's where the where
the ref bias comes in too, you know, because the
refs are in the back of their mind is always
like this isn't how it's supposed to be. So if
it comes down to that critical moment, their bias is
going to creep in. And we were talking about that
earlier about how you know when that bias creeps in,
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they want to gaslight us by saying, oh no, that
that didn't happen or that's not what I was thinking.
It's but bias is an unconscious thing. It's not a
conscious thing. You're not thinking about it. That's the point.
The point is, when it comes right down to it,
Indians aren't supposed to win, and they don't like it
when we do. So I think that's just part of
the history. It's like baked into this country because they
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know that they're here on stolen lane.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I think you talked about so much that where it's
ingrained to us in us not to win, are expected
and not expected to win. So like when they did
win that game, it did make the free throw on
the screams, I got my eyes watered up. People. I
remember being in situations like that and beating non native
schools that we weren't supposed to be supposedly. But it's
like I remember feeling like, you know, that's when you
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starting with even we can do this, what I mean,
because society tells you that you're not supposed to win,
you know what I mean. Yeah, So seeing that I
just got of wadded up a little bit. I was like,
this is pretty cool. I was.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Yeah, once he missed that second free throw, was like, crap,
do not make this a movie where he misses the
free throw or whatever?
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Like let us win for once in a movie.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
What did you guys think of that free throw? Ending?
The whole ending scene with the lights went out and
then his mom was sitting there he took the first shot.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I feel like, yeah, big free throws like that, that's all.
It does feel like you're if you can drown off
the crowd, it does feel like you're by yourself kind of,
And that was kind of can be nerve wracking, and
then those things can kind of come into your head,
like I think she was saying. But I thought that
was a good representation of having to shoot big, like
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the biggest free throws of your.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Life at that point, you know, you think about that stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah, and you have to push Yeah, you have to
push it out, like you have to be like man
ah my, like the whole res is here.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Yeah, you can't think about missing. Yeah, you cannot think
about missing.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I think that's that's what I loved about this movie.
I was expecting something a little bit different because at
the beginning of the movie they had those two seats
set there for Lily and what is his mom? Y
and John and and his I thought that was really cool.
It kind of made lump in my throat when his
when Jimmy came over to him. Remember that reporter asked,
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you know, like put in his family.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I know, I was like, why did they ask him that?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, I know that was pretty rude. But Jimmy came
over and kind of saved him, you know, and he's like, oh, yeah,
they were here. They were our six men, you know,
they were they were here with us and stuff. And
so I thought the movie was gonna kind of come
around full circle. So at the end when his mom
was there, I thought the second free throw, like Natani
would show up and be like, hey, I'm still here,
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you know what I'm saying, still here with you, you know,
and we can do this. Let's do this. And I
was kind of waiting for that to happen. But in
a way, it was almost better because he made the
shot despite the negativity that he heard and stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Like the mental toughness to talk about it. That's the
change that we need to see, right, Yeah, We're so
used to hearing the negative things and just giving up
and kind of expecting like, well, I'm probably gonna missus anything. Yeah,
you have to constantly decide now I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Make this, so I'm gonna be better, right, I don't
think non natives give us enough credit for the mental
toughness that you have to have, because all throughout history
it's been we're gonna go to court. We know we
have the law on our side, you know, the treaties
are on our side, and then they change the rules
of the game, and it's that constant injustice that you
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know kids have to overcome. It's so I really like that.
I thought that was really smarter this movie to really
focus on that piece.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I was glad too that at the end she stayed
like you decided like one more year, and I'm like, oh,
she's going to keep saying one moe.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
More keep going.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
The scene with the mom pulling in with her res
car too all smoking.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
I just knew she was gonna get a gus. I'm like,
do not leave the reds what she did.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Get a trying her.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
I just knew she's like those natives that always get caught,
get caught first thing, and she.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Did definitely gonna try anyways, I know.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Slowing down the traffic, they're.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
All yelling at her. That was a good scene though,
when she was looking at the door, I thought she
was jump out of the car and go run and
try to get lost in the.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Crowd or something, and you know, like she's like right there.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
It was good because I didn't know what to expect
of the movie. It wasn't that predictable. Okay, she went
to jail, listen to the radio's.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Cheering in her jumps. Yet, Oh, I was gonna say
so that.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
You know that last scene where he shoots his free throws,
I actually seen that happen in real life where they
got falled with no time left and they were down
by two. I think I was in high school one
of my last two years of high school. I don't
remember exactly what year, but I remember it was to
get into the championship.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
It was the boys game after ours. And this guy
he ended up.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Playing baseball Divisional. He was good, Like there was a
lot of good players. I think it was my junior
so it was a lot of good boys players that year.
And he got falled no time left, and this was
at the Civic Center, so it was like packed there
and he had to shoot his two free throws and
this is to get to the state championship game. He
made the first one, so they were down by one
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and he was out there by himself. Then he as
soon as he shot that second one, he knew he
was going to start walking towards.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
That you knew he missed it. I was like, oh
my god.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
I was like I can't even imagine like being on
there by myself to get into the championship game.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
That was like I felt bad, but I was like, dang,
that was some stress.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I probably thought about that shot, like I don't know,
probably for a long time.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
And there's a kid when you're playing basketballs it all
the time, right just for the game. Yeah, you get
that situation.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Your arms get kind of gnomb or something.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
In high school one time where I think I was
a junior and we played we were class to be
school and played Creek and they were like number two
in the state and we played them and were I
think we were down by two, like five secs left.
I go shoot the three and get followed the three
three feet throws to win it. I missed my first two,
so coaches like King's like, you gotta miss the last.
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I threw it and just just deflated. But after that
I was like, I was of course embarrassed whatever, but
I was like, like, I was so disappointed myself, so
I practice you throws all the time. So after that
was like, I remember that because I felt horrible. After
I was like, we had beat number two teen in
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to state su everbody knees were knocking together everything. I
was like, you like said you practiced that as a kid.
I'm in the situation here. I just blew at that.
I was like, I don't want to feel like that
ever again.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
My dad was always my dad was always always always
making me shoot free throws.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
So it was I was like ten years old, like
a million free throws every.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Day because he made two really big free throws in
high school they went into double overtime and he hit
the two freews to get to championship game. He's always
like stressing the importance of you gotta make your free throws,
practice your free throws. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I'm not a ballplayer, but you know in other sports,
I know for sure I'm not a pressure player. If
I'm in a pressure situation, I'm I'm gonna miss this.
I'm gonna miss this. Oh that's what my mind is saying, like, ship,
I'm going to miss this.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
And then I do know, and I'm like in those
situations like I want to win. I'm gonna I'm gonna
freaking make these so I can.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah see that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. It's all what
you put in your mind, you know, like it's all
what you're Yeah, it's that mental toughness.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I think that just the whole concept of losing someone
and playing for someone that happens on a reservation, even
as you're older, you know, like my brother for instance, right,
it passed away fourteen years ago now, and we're still
put a tournament on for him. But it's like we
remember a lot of people that way.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
We have.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
We have a lot of memorials, you know, our people.
I love that we do that as Native people.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, I mean, okay, here was one of the other
alternative scenes that I was thinking in my head was
going to happen, like that his mom was going to
have a change of heart and come and teach him something.
But oh yeah, I'm glad I didn't because that would
have been really cheesy.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
I think that it was they showed her shooting around
and like, okay.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
She's trying to get sober, she's shooting around with him,
good enough.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
I think they didn't want to show her because she
can't play basketball, so they had to cut that that idea.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
You're not even following through just critical supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Going to division potential.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
There's my name.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
I know that Ronaldi Becente. She played at a s
U and then she was like the first one, and
that was the same thing. Like maybe both of those players,
the coach and the mom are like a you know,
mix of hers.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's probably true.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I remember watching her play when.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
She was She could shoot and she was always so
as I played. I remember that I played against her
when I was in high school and I was like
scared because that's her being the WNB and they always
talked about her. I'm like, oh man, we've played against
her nationals. She's like let us up, like made all
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her three pointers. And she was older, always player, and
she was always really nice. That's the one thing I
remember about her. She's really humble and really really nice,
like if you want, she would visit with you. She
joke around like she never acted might Yeah, yeah, she
was really really like.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
I really liked her playing against her and she was
really nice.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Well, I was gonna mention the scene where they go
out partying before the big game and that guy is
sitting in the in the locker room and he's ready
to throw up. It was that fireball messed me up.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Fireball gross.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I know, I like fireballs, So.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
I was glad. That was so glad that.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Jimmy actually got mad at him. But you know, like
you should not be partying before your big game. You know,
it's like their district championship game or something.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
Yep, that's it to me. I was showing that attitude like, oh,
we made it.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
They don't have to do enough.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
That's good enough.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
I was just going to say, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Kind of another little theme that they threaded in there,
which is like celebrating too early, because that's like a
common thing that happens, Like I've seen it many teams,
like oh yeah, they went out and celebrated.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Before they before they even played the big game, you know,
and it's like, don't do that. And they were saying
that in the car too, like we made it, Like
what's the big deal. I was like, well, don't you
want to win?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
When you said would have pulled up the hard work one.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
It's hard to make those decisions when you're a kid, though.
You you want instan gratification.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
When you're a kid, party now and win it and
party again. Yeah, I don't realize you tear your body
before the exactly.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
That's how you learn.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Another scene I want to mention is where the kids
are drinking and stuff at the end. I just thought
it was weird they had them. Usually they show them
with like red cups. They had them like carrying around
beer bottles. I was like, what's going on, Like, I know,
kids party or whatever, but I always see movies where
they just have the kids drinking out of a red
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cup blatantly drinking beer on camera. So I didn't like
that they had us. You know, they had natives drinking
the beer, not have red cups.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
I got worried for a second there that we're going
to drive back and get the car wrect or something.
I looked at the time. I was like a couple
of minutes after someone going to die, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 5 (45:58):
More tragedy.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Yeah, that's why I can tell I'm getting old as
I'm like worried about the kids.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Going out?
Speaker 3 (46:11):
What are they doing?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Go home?
Speaker 1 (46:17):
All?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Well, that we are at that part of the pod,
where are we making the suggestion watch this movie?
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Yes, I would recommend, but you need some tissues from
the beginning.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
No, I absolutely I recommend it to all my friends too,
because I think learning experience in a lot of ways
and just really realistic and a lot of ways too.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah, I would say that too, Like this one's this
one's a big hit, like we said, didn't go over
the top. Had just the right amount of humor, just
the right amount of tissue moments. Yeah, and a lot
of good themes. I think that sitting down with your
nieces and nephews and your kids and your students at
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your school and just saying, you know, hey, there's some
themes here to to talk about to learn from. And
I think it's a I think it's a movie that's
gonna have some steam power. Yep.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
You know, we could have easily had twenty themes and
it kind of just kept it to the main one exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Yeah, we always talk about that. A lot of movies
that natives make, they try to throw in every.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Single twenty lessons, yeah, an hour and a half.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
Every time.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
This one just stuck. Yeah, I just stuck, and it
made it really good point throughout the whole movie. So
that was good. All right, Well you heard it here
and you heard it from the ballers themselves, a shoot off.
All right, thanks for joining us on the red Geze, guys,
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Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yes, all right, So next time, by water, flutes and feathers,
eagles crying, no more saviors, no more lies waiting for
better days.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
We'll be here with our reg gus.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Hey, hey, hey, here, here
Warrior jam band again.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Bad you bud us on us green dyed with paints
and wigs and old en days, everything but our red
guess hio he hio, who yore?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hey, everybody, welcome to the Red Gaze. Today we are
taking on the long awaited res Ball. So I have
some ballers in the house. I'm your host, Cheryl Kerry,
and I am here with Marlee Finne, a regular Marley Finn. Hello,
And we have a guest in the house. Travis Albers.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Had to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We are taking on Risball because, as we know, it
just came out on September twenty seventh, and I'm sure
everybody all over the country was watching as well long away.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
You've seen so many people posting about it on Facebook
on Snap like why it yep.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So, before we get started, we don't know too much
about Resball. We do know it was directed by Sydney Friedland.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I have the synopsis here. So the synopsis for this
movie is The Chesca Warriors, a Native American high school
basketball team from New Mexico, must band together after losing
their star player if they want to keep their quest
for a state championship alive.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So we want to start with just kind of your
overall impression of this film.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
I liked it.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
It seemed very it was very real, like a lot
of the stuff those kids went through, especially losing it.
I lost a teammate during one of my seasons when
I played in Newtown. I was about thirteen years old,
and so that was one of the earliest times I
can remember like going through something like that, And she
was my teammate. We spent a lot of time with her.
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She's like a big sister to me. So it was
pretty hard. So just seeing that, and I think a
lot of other Native kids go through that, you know,
So that was that.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I feel like that hit a lot of people hard.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, I think there was people that shared that experience.
I mean it could be any sort of team or
any kind of sport, like I just go.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
To school classmate.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, I definitely hit home with me in a lot
of aspects too. And I think it wasn't over the
top though.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, you know, so it.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Wasn't like too dramatic. It's like this is pretty pretty real,
pretty realistic in other ways. Yeah, So I could see
coming from Shannon River Reservation and living in a according
to a small reservation school whatever. I see a lot
of those parallelses that I lived through and a lot
of my teammates lived through as well.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I have to say I had low expectations, yeah, because
you know, sometimes when you expect too much out of
a movie, it kind of lets you down. You think,
oh god, it's just going to be the spectacular thing.
So maybe that's why, Yeah, I felt like this was
just right spot on. They hit what they needed to hit.
Nothing was too over dramatic, nothing was too faky. There
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was a couple of names. I'll have to be at
the name moment time, but I think overall, it just
really did a good solid job of just hitting the
issues and you know, the challenges and the feel of
what it's like, you know what I mean. All Right,
so we are going to start with our favorite scene,
(03:20):
your fancy dance Feather.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
My favorite scene was probably when she took the boys
out to her grandma's and they had to and they
had to herd the little sheep back to her fence or whatever,
and they talk about going to sheep camp, like I
don't know if that's real, Like I wish we had
somebody that's found down there that maybe that's.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
A real thing.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
They go to she.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And you know, they learn how to take care of
their sheep or whatever. I don't know, but I thought
that was funny and I thought that was like a
good team bonding exercise for them. As like an older
person watching her like work with her team and stuff.
I'm like, oh, that's a good way to get them
to like get on the same page and start working
together and communicating. So yeah, I really liked that, and
(04:08):
it was just funny.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
That was a really cool scene. I think the whole
scene because Grandma and Benny and the coach we were
sitting back there playing post yeah, waiting for them. Yeah,
in twenty minutes, she said, could I just got my dogs?
That was great. So I'm interested to know if you
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two ballers ever had a coach go all like team
bonding experience or we're going to do this traditional thing
together so that we can be a better team.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, any experiences with that, Yeah, So I think it's
a lot of That's the thing a lot of coaches
do to try to get their players to communicate and
to just be a bond and grow closer and stuff.
So I I remember like just a simple one where
my uncle, my uncle was my coach for a long time,
and we would practice falling backwards and catching the teammates.
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So that was one of his exercises to let us
trust each other. Yeah, so he had He didn't made
us do a lot of like exercises and things doing
things together, like fundraising together or just so yeah, a
lot of.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Little exercises like that. We did a lot of stuff
together all the time.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So I laughed because when I played at United Tribes,
Vin Filly did that for us. But we like we
had like a little platform we had to stand. Now
we're kind of high up there, pretty I kept looking back, Yeah,
that's small team at the time my first year, like
eight of us.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
It feels like they're not going to catch you.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Because when we have your little tiny teammates, these are
shaken too.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I was like, you guys to catch me. But in
high school we had I like when he brought when
she brought the new coach, and like her coach from
high school, we had elders come in and talk about
just about being there, right, because I never thought of
it that in that sense, right, or modern day warriors bystanding.
He made smudge with us, and I'm like, okay, this
is bringing in part of who we are as native people,
and I never thought of it that way, and I
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really appreciated that on as I got older.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
But you never had to heard buffalo.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I didn't catch towards this for my dad in the
morning a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
No sheep though, to chase sheep around.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's kind of a good segue into my favorite scene
because it was during that scene when Jimmy steps up
and says, Okay, here's what we're gonna do, and he
admits that he went to sheep camp.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
And they all start teasing and they start teasing him.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Hey, this guy probably washes his hair with yucca, probably
chops wood. All good, all sacred, they said, and they
were just teasing him, and I thought I was really
a good scene because it's it's how we tease, jumping
on him, teasing him for being all secret, yeah, all
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that stuff. It seems really natural the way they were
teasing him, and it's like to see something like that
on film was so cool because it's like, that's that's
how we do it. That's absolutely made it made you
feel like you were there.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I think a lot of favorite scenes, but more like
the realistic ones, and one that really hit home for me.
It was we were talking to ESPN, was talking about
the reservation, right, yeah, but anytime non natves talk about us,
they talk about the worst parts, right, alcoholism and the
violence and all this stuff, right, And all of a
sudden and he says about the one bright spot is basketball,
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and I'm like, because that's all that's all you know
is for which is frustrating. It's like we got we're
bright spot is who we are as people and culture
and all stuff, and they never talk about.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Like our families, our relationships.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It was like, this is what you see, and it's
like you see from the outside, like all this poverty
and all the statistics whatever. It's like, it's like how
much you come to the reservation and see how culture
is and how much we help each other, how family
orientated we are and stuff like that. So that hit
home a lot. So you see it on the reservation,
but you go off the reservation when they when they
talk about kids, is like I guess, but it's like
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we're a lot more than that.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And they like to use the word hopeless and this
gives them hope, and come on, I.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Might have a little bit and I saw that part
I was and they had it was that was that
WOS guy too.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
He just retired.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
He's like a ESPN the latest news all the time.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
All Right, what about your best secondary character? So Jimmy
was kind of the main character. But who stole the
show or who was the best secondary character? Well?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I just wanted to say that I liked the Miles
Martinez avery Hale because he's from m h A. So
he had a couple I was wondering if he was
gonna speak or anything, and he had some scenes where
he did talk and stuff. He was the one making
all the tiktoks all the.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Time after the game and stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
So I was like, oh, that's so cool, and like
you can just tell he's a Hale to this, I
was like, dang. So it was really cool to see
somebody from our res on the big screen. So every
time they were showing the team or whatever, I was
always trying to look for him and you know, just
see if he was in the scene or if he
had any lines or whatever.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Because yeah, just was proud.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
They said that there were five thousand actors or applications
or what do you call it, auditions? Auditions for ten spots,
so I had to play basketball too.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
When it came out, I put in information about my
son's Andander got a letter seemed to come audition and
he didn't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Oh yeah, I don't want to be on TV too.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Bucky Is always sent in her stuff too, did she,
But she was like, yeah, let me use all the
pictures from when we She use all the ones because
she sometimes rides the pine for us at our tournaments,
so she's like me use some of those ones or
championship jacket. He like her like ten second playing times
and then holding her jackets up, her sweaters and everything.
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I know that there was like massive talent searches or whatever,
and there was people all over the country that put
in for that, so it was pretty intense. Yeah, so
anybody that could get in there from up here, that's
pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
That's how I always think, like natives are so bucky,
how are you going.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
To get them to act?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And it's like, I think we should do a movie
up this way. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I've been saying that a lot of movies are made
down for like the natives down there.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So like in Navajo Country, they make a lot of
movies about Navajo people and things, and we've reviewed quite
a few of them here and in Canada. They do
a lot in Canada, but this whole Northern Plains middle
there's not much done. And I just think that it
would be so cool to have one for the Northern
plans here.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
But some day, Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Is there in a secondary character that you like?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That was Jimmy's mom And the only reason was because
how many parents do we know, just not in a
mental state or healthy state to go watch your kids
and games and you know, to support their kids like that,
you know what I mean, like maybe have addiction and
struggle with stuff like that, but also that former athletes
right live vicariously to your kids and to try not
to push it. And when I was younger, I always
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wanted to impress my dad. But I was more of
a football player. And I think I tried to play
a football. I got hit by a senior and I
was really little, and I got home. I had my
helmet and my pads. I gave in to my dad.
I was like, I don't want to play. He said, good,
you're more of a basketball player. Anyways, I laughed. I
was like thanks, dad. But because no, I was a
football player, but that was a bullwriter too. I was like,
I don't want to write. In my mind, I was
(11:38):
working up from football to bulls, but I was like,
I better not. But you see that, right, You see
that with a lot of our kids, like our parents like, well,
I did this in high school and I never wanted
to do that to my son.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You know, I had a good career because I was
on good teams and my son was a bit more
talented I was. But I always wanted him to do
what you love, because that's what my dad told me.
I said, I want you to do what you love.
You don't have to do what I loved. You know,
you do what you But you can see that with
the mom, it's like she wanted to be part of
it because she was a good hooper stuff, you know what.
She wants to support her kid. But of course I
worried about the du Yeah that's got to be scary too.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
That's that's true.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
That I was when her character came on and she
was just like pure negative and like, man, she's a
good character because we all know those people in the community,
you know that are just like you're going.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
To fail anyway. Yeah, we've all heard that.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yes, good characterization too, because she was like hating on
her teammates. Yeah, she's over there acting on Hegh and Mighty, and.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Then you get the real story about her, like how
good she was, you know what I mean. So maybe
she got some personal frustrations too to her own.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, exactly. That's why I think like a real complex
character because you find out like she really she was the.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Ones getting recruited.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, she was the one that probably should have made
the w n B A. And I think that's kind
of seem like the theme of this movie, the mental
toughness that you need to have. I really like that
because I know I've said that for years native players.
Native people have natural talent that's just not even that's
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just a given, like they just they have that natural talent.
It's that mental toughness that sets the ones that really
succeed apart. And this movie seemed to be about that,
you know, like because the ending of the movie, it's
about what you put in your mind.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, and his mom, he was remembering what his mom
was saying, and the freight throw line was like, oh,
I don't be thinking of that's the worst time about
don't think about your mom.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
She was a really good character. I mean not like
a good character, but like a good character because she
really brought a lot too, like the complexity of it.
Probably my favorite secondary character was the grandma Velma one.
I think she was the grandma in Frybred Face and
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me too. She was kind of the same thing. She
she just spoke nevivo and but I think just adding
in that character because we all have those aunties, uncles,
grandma's that we go to, and you know, her being
a critical part of the team I think was really
important part of this movie. And plus she was funny.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yeah, she helped teach them a lesson, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah, what about did you guys have a name moment?
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Just some of my name moments were the way those
players are talking to their coach, like back to their
coach and stuff. I was kind of like, you guys
are supposed to be a successful team. I don't think
you'd really be saying all these kind of things to
your coach, you know, not listening to her mouthing back
or whatever. So like seeing seeing that, I was kind
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of like, I don't think that's kind of a name
moment to.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Me, I think anytime Dallas was because I laugh at
him all the time and it makes me laugh, like
tell stories like that one seconds left Dallas. I know, yeah,
it makes me laugh.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
When I first saw those two together, Dallas and that,
I thought, oh god, Okay, here's where they're going to
go over the top.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
But they didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
I only showed them a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yesh to over top Dallas.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, pretty good. And I love that their their little
group was called.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
SO and SO. I thought that was a good one.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I don't know how many people caught that, but like
so T S O is like a common name down there,
and so that was cute. I was glad to see
that there was no poverty shots right, yeah, like there
were some Reds dogs. I saw some Reds dogs.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Oh yeah. Then I see the two of them booking around.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
But it was just normal homes and you know, normal things,
And I thought that was pretty cool. I'll get your
props for that because it's one of our like our
pet peeves on on the Red Gaze is like, okay,
can we can we stop now with that?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
That's not all there's good parts of the Reds too.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, we always say go show the Chairman's House. Did
you have a name moment?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
No, I think I a couple with like the games,
It's hard. I really look in some parts, like the
Refts would never let like how I felt like playing
non native schools, Like the Rets would never let us
natives talk trash, you know what I mean. It'd be
over there talking about coach, you need to calm down whatever.
And yeah, a lot of them white players got away
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with them, which was frustrating, and get to say whatever
they want and throw some elbows here and there, and
here we retaliate whatever, and we're into trouble. And so
I was like, I don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
In a way, though, I'm glad they didn't throw that
in there, because it is like a commonplace thing where
the refs are obviously going to be you know, a
little biased, unconscious bias, I say, because sometimes we say
that here you want to throw in all these issues
into one movie, but this one kind of stuck to
the main theme.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I would have tooken away from the whole story, right.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I was waiting for somebody to say it though, I
call it both ways or you know, something like that, but.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Never both ways.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Okay. So I didn't have too many name moments on
this in this movie that was pretty cool. One was
the coach drinking wine in the.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
First Oh I seen that too, and I was like,
it's like.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Oh, sitting at home going through your text drinking glass
of wine as if that was my one name moment.
And then the second name moment was the star basketball
player going for the hard working language speaking girl.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Calling Travis because.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Because I know back in the day you probably went
for the pretty ones and the rather than that one
that's at the working hard.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
To a party. Okay, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Not the one that's working.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, the name tag and learning her language.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I'm out of here. Shave him out.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
That was so that was my big name moment. I
was like, yeah, okay, no, that wouldn't happen. But okay,
like it's a movie. Any other scenes that you guys
would like to note in this movie because there was
a lot of good scenes, a lot of quotes.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
And yeah, the scene where they played against the girls,
the main girl that was like scoring all their points,
we played, we would play against.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Her in tournament. So I was like, oh, I recognize
her spin movie.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Yeah, she's a good she's a good shooter. She plays
overseas and stuff. But her name is Analyst Bonelli. Yeah,
so I was like, oh, I didn't know she was
in this movie because she didn't. She finally maybe they're
not supposed to post about it, but she finally started
posting about it yesterday on like Instagram and stuff. So
I thought that was cool to see see they had
some legit basketball players. Yeah, because it was kind of
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funny seeing Amber with thunder Tree, yeah, trying.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
To run around out there.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I did like the ship talking in that scene though.
It was They had some pretty funny lines and that scene.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
That was really realistic too. I think like.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
That and the one girl's guarding her her baby daddy
talking with their kid at home with their ground. That
good like you always have you always have that couple.
What did you guys think of the basketball scenes overall?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
They you could tell they played. They picked peep kids
that can play basketball. I was looking up that Benjamin
Bratt's nephew. He played a Navy he won Nabby.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It was realistic.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
You could tell he played basketball because I was like,
once he was dribbling around and stuff, I'm like, oh, okay,
but yeah, I know that was like a thing for
the auditions they're asking for actual basketball players, you could tell, can.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You mentioned earlier? I think that's something that hit me
for the movie too, is like as Natives were naturally
athletic and good and athletic in a lot of ways.
But it's the mental toughness part. I think that's really
built through, like the coach and like I loved basketball
my whole life, and I never thought I was gonna
go to college and play. But when I when Takla
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was our coach, he made me believe that I could
do it, you know what I mean. I never thought
it would be good enough to come from Tikini school
and go play college basketball and things like that, and
so their coach kind of showed that, and Grandma showed
all these little lessons from people in your community that
we don't you know, that we don't honor enough to say,
well these are these are part of my success. Lucky
to have leaders like that in our life. That's where
the mental toughness came from. Because I remember our first
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day of practice, first meeting Hank, and he talked about
talked about basketball, his passion for it. You can see
it on his face, and I'm like, he's serious. You know,
he's serious about you know, being a modern day word
in this way, you know, he said. And one thing
he said that's really stuck with me too, is like
he said, basketball is a game, he said, but it's
like how you play on the practice and play on
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the court. It's how you can approach life, you know,
if you're working hard all the time whatever. So I
try to do that as a in my job and
as a dad. So I got my mental toughness from
my parents, and of course Hank r learning that in basketball.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
So I think you bring up a good point about
the coach and how critical the coaches, because I like
how this movie showed that part where remember they go
on that losing streak and then the coach is looking
through social media and get a new coach and she
has to be out of there. And I was like, hey,
that's true too, Just like there is everybody thinks they
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can be a coach. You know, everybody's gunning for that
coaching job. Everybody wants to be a coach.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
But coaching easy, even if they're winning, it still happens,
you know, But yeah, true, better, I could do better.
I was like, they're doing pretty good. They don't.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, sure, coaching isn't just about bossing kids around. You
have to inspire them and you know, give them that
confidence and give them that mental toughness. And I just
I kind of laughed when I saw that. I was like, yeah,
that's real true too. She was a good coach.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
And I think the support at the games too, Like
you go into like the district game, a regional game,
like the whole red shows up. Yeah yeah at Tiki School.
I like, I think like forty kids in O High
School and we made it to our our regional game
to go to State. Its like people from a debut
were there, which is very cool. Guys are support to us.
So I really showed in the movie too. It is
like the stands are stands are packed. Natives our game
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it was like three four people the cot together.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Yeah, one native team makes it then the whole state.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I was just reading something recently where when four Winds
made it to State, those years they have sellout crowds,
they make records, you know, because it is you get
people from every reservation, not just Spirit Lake, but you
get people from all the surrounding reservations go and support them,
and so we break records. All the little towns are
(23:42):
just cleared out. Nobody's home except grandma watching all the grandkids,
the tribes. I was laughing that too, because when they
all get to the tournament and the Dallas Gold Tooth
characters like call those babies sitters, extend those hotel rooms. Yeah,
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we're going on to the next game or something like
that cracked me up. I like the basketball scenes. I
was kind of hoping to see more wider shots of
like how quick, how fast the game is, because literally,
I mean when you go to like independent tournaments, like
sometimes I feel like I'm watching tennis. I mean, I
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think they did a good job of saying, you know,
this is res ball and here's what it is. But
I would have liked to see more wide shots of
actually how quick it goes, because I don't think people
who haven't seen.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
It before really really like a rebound, yeah, like a
rebound defense rebound, how.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Fast we get down the court exactly. So I think
I would have liked to see that a little bit more.
But I'm not complaining because I thought it was good.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yeah, she tried to say, like they want to shoot
it within seven seconds or something, show how fast they play.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, but things like that, you know that spin move
that your friend did, and you know just some of
the uh reverse layups and things like that that happened
that are really quick in the steals man, like some
crazy steals. What about the locker room scenes, would you
guys think?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I think except the talking about.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
No way I'd be able to play if I was.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Talking to my I was never when you're losing.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, it seemed like they had the good, normal kids
locker room. But it's different now they're all on their phones,
you know, posting tiktoks and stuff. I'm like ancient times.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Now on VHS, my mom has got a big bucket
of ours have to dig through it.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Yeah, all my A lot of my games are on VHS.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
BHS.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Kids don't even know what that is days.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I had to laugh when the assistant coach he came
into that that locker room and he's like really smudging
it down, and he's like, I don't know whatever their
word for medicine is. He's like that he's medicine in
this locker room.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I couldn't make a basket tonight. You must have put
medicine on.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
All right, what do you guys think of the villains.
Let's talk a little bit about the villains in this show.
The All Star guy Mason Troy and his coach. I
don't know who that actor is, but he's a villain
in a lot of different shows that I've seen.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
He plays the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, he does play a bad guy, and he does
because he's got a bad guy face, you.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Know, growing up. I don't never see that, like opposing
coach really say anything, but you see him, like you
see the body language faces like towards our coach and stuff,
you know, like the pands, yeah whatever. I've seen that
a lot too, But I don't never really noticed the coach.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Saying much to each other.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I've never seen that either, but you definitely see the
body language.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Think most coaches like talk ship.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Yeah, not like that.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Like shouting it down the court to the to the
other coach. But I mean it did seem realistic, like
in high school, you can have one good player like
that and they could carry the whole team to the
you know, to state championship.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Especially he was going to like Arizona.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Basically, kids are like tall and skinny. Whatever. The skinny
guys whatever and said he got a big built non
native kids corn fed. Definitely accurate, right there.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah he was. I thought he was a good villain.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Yeah, maybe last when he was like when he ran
when he ran by Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, that was a little bit of a name moment
for me too, because it was it was kind of like, Okay,
these white boys really ticked it time to learn some
Now I don't know about that, but okay, but they
start they were like, oh, we can play res ball too,
And it was kind of funny because that Cody Lightning
character one of the commentators, it seems a little bit
(28:15):
about like cultural appropriation.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah, we always had plays in whatever res we were
playing on, so like when we played at Spirit Lake,
we had a lot of plays that were in Dakota.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
And then Yew back in Newtown, we have plays and
dots and stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Too, So you always incorporate the linch with our plays
as well.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
So I think that's cool. It reminded me of one
of the movies that we reviewed was Cricket Arrows.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Oh yeah, and they did that too, where.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
They called out their plays in the Mohawkers. Yeah, so
they were they were calling out plays in Seneca language,
and then they mispronounced one and it was it was
vagina dodge.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Yeah, and then they just say they didn't throw a
joke like that.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
That's what I was waiting for. I was like, Oh,
it seems like they're doing the cricketer rows thing. I
wonder if they're gonna say a nasty word or something.
I was kind of thinking about that. What do you
guys as ball players think about that? Because it seems
like a lot more teams are culturally appropriating risball, the
(29:28):
fast run gun type of game. They're like picking it
up and taking it. That seemed realistic to me. What
do you guys think so?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I think that's always worked for our Native kids. I
always hated like setting out plays every time, like I
felt like a robot. Non native teaments did that. But
once I think a lot of our native teams figured
out that the running gun worked for us, and we
started beating our team and beating teams that that was
a big difference for us. I think. I think one
thing for me too is when we were talking about it,
(29:55):
I don't think like playing against non Native schools in
high school that they really like they didn't want to
shake their hands, even after a game, even if we
did good, you know what I mean, Like we always
were trying to be respectful to teammates, like yeah, telling
the other player a good job whatever, and they were like,
you know, just give us a look like I don't
even want to shake your hand. You know. It was
really disrespectful. Yeah, they even want to sit in their gym,
(30:16):
you know, stuff like that that's always felt, aren't They Like.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Are scared to come to like your resin, to your
school like that, like we're gonna.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Like murder them. And it's still like that to this day.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Because my boyfriend Joe, his coworker, was talking about going
to Sturgis and you talk about driving through Standing Rock,
but he was scared to drive through Standing Rock. And
Joe was like what why He's like what if I
broke down there? And he was like they would probably
just help you.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Why are you scared of us? So I mean like
that's the things too, is.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Like I remember like parents worried about their kids coming
to and it's still happening. Like I had a friend
her daughter plays volleyball Underwood and I think they were
going to play Standing Rock.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Same thing.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
A lot of parents were like, we're not sending our
daughters down there to play volleyball against them, And she
was really mad about it about that and serious too. Yeah,
so she like spoke up about it because her daughters
are on the on the underwood team, and she's like,
I can't believe all the parents are still so ignorant,
you know, like, you know, so still things like that
(31:23):
where they're scared to come in this day and age,
you're still scared to come.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
When my son graduated legacy, he wanted to get a
tattoo for his graduation. The guy that does my tattoos
is from pine Ridge. I say not. He goes, well,
a couple of friends want company, my friends whatever. I'm like, yeah,
no problem, and I'll be down there. Three parents calling
me guys going to pine Ridge. Yeah, they might run
(31:47):
into a red dog here.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
They're like just super freaked out, you know what I mean.
Even my girlfriend who's not native, be on there for
Sundays a couple of years ago, and her dad was
kind of just okay, by yourself while you're dancing. I'm like,
there and everything.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I think what you guys are saying is really true.
Like there's still a lot of really deep rooted fears
and biases against Native people and that, and that comes
out especially in sports, because there was historically a fight
over land, right, and so I think what a lot
(32:27):
of these small towns really feel like is, oh, it's
they're not supposed to win. We're always supposed to be
the winner, because you know, we're on the land now
and we we conquered this land and we conquered these people,
and so they're not supposed to win. And so when
we do, when it really fucks up their minds, you
know what I mean, it's like, this isn't how it's
(32:49):
supposed to be. And I think that's where the where
the ref bias comes in too, you know, because the
refs are in the back of their mind is always
like this isn't how it's supposed to be. So if
it comes down to that critical moment, their bias is
going to creep in. And we were talking about that
earlier about how you know when that bias creeps in,
(33:10):
they want to gaslight us by saying, oh no, that
that didn't happen or that's not what I was thinking.
It's but bias is an unconscious thing. It's not a
conscious thing. You're not thinking about it. That's the point.
The point is, when it comes right down to it,
Indians aren't supposed to win, and they don't like it
when we do. So I think that's just part of
the history. It's like baked into this country because they
(33:34):
know that they're here on stolen lane.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I think you talked about so much that where it's
ingrained to us in us not to win, are expected
and not expected to win. So like when they did
win that game, it did make the free throw on
the screams, I got my eyes watered up. People. I
remember being in situations like that and beating non native
schools that we weren't supposed to be supposedly. But it's
like I remember feeling like, you know, that's when you
(33:59):
starting with even we can do this, what I mean,
because society tells you that you're not supposed to win,
you know what I mean. Yeah, So seeing that I
just got of wadded up a little bit. I was like,
this is pretty cool. I was.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Yeah, once he missed that second free throw, was like, crap,
do not make this a movie where he misses the
free throw or whatever?
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Like let us win for once in a movie.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
What did you guys think of that free throw? Ending?
The whole ending scene with the lights went out and
then his mom was sitting there he took the first shot.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I feel like, yeah, big free throws like that, that's all.
It does feel like you're if you can drown off
the crowd, it does feel like you're by yourself kind of,
And that was kind of can be nerve wracking, and
then those things can kind of come into your head,
like I think she was saying. But I thought that
was a good representation of having to shoot big, like
(34:52):
the biggest free throws of your.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Life at that point, you know, you think about that stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah, and you have to push Yeah, you have to
push it out, like you have to be like man
ah my, like the whole res is here.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Yeah, you can't think about missing. Yeah, you cannot think
about missing.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I think that's that's what I loved about this movie.
I was expecting something a little bit different because at
the beginning of the movie they had those two seats
set there for Lily and what is his mom? Y
and John and and his I thought that was really cool.
It kind of made lump in my throat when his
when Jimmy came over to him. Remember that reporter asked,
(35:33):
you know, like put in his family.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I know, I was like, why did they ask him that?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, I know that was pretty rude. But Jimmy came
over and kind of saved him, you know, and he's like, oh, yeah,
they were here. They were our six men, you know,
they were they were here with us and stuff. And
so I thought the movie was gonna kind of come
around full circle. So at the end when his mom
was there, I thought the second free throw, like Natani
would show up and be like, hey, I'm still here,
(35:59):
you know what I'm saying, still here with you, you know,
and we can do this. Let's do this. And I
was kind of waiting for that to happen. But in
a way, it was almost better because he made the
shot despite the negativity that he heard and stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Like the mental toughness to talk about it. That's the
change that we need to see, right, Yeah, We're so
used to hearing the negative things and just giving up
and kind of expecting like, well, I'm probably gonna missus anything. Yeah,
you have to constantly decide now I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Make this, so I'm gonna be better, right, I don't
think non natives give us enough credit for the mental
toughness that you have to have, because all throughout history
it's been we're gonna go to court. We know we
have the law on our side, you know, the treaties
are on our side, and then they change the rules
of the game, and it's that constant injustice that you
(36:49):
know kids have to overcome. It's so I really like that.
I thought that was really smarter this movie to really
focus on that piece.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I was glad too that at the end she stayed
like you decided like one more year, and I'm like, oh,
she's going to keep saying one moe.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
More keep going.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
The scene with the mom pulling in with her res
car too all smoking.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
I just knew she was gonna get a gus. I'm like,
do not leave the reds what she did.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Get a trying her.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
I just knew she's like those natives that always get caught,
get caught first thing, and she.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Did definitely gonna try anyways, I know.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Slowing down the traffic, they're.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
All yelling at her. That was a good scene though,
when she was looking at the door, I thought she
was jump out of the car and go run and
try to get lost in the.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Crowd or something, and you know, like she's like right there.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
It was good because I didn't know what to expect
of the movie. It wasn't that predictable. Okay, she went
to jail, listen to the radio's.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Cheering in her jumps. Yet, Oh, I was gonna say
so that.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
You know that last scene where he shoots his free throws,
I actually seen that happen in real life where they
got falled with no time left and they were down
by two. I think I was in high school one
of my last two years of high school. I don't
remember exactly what year, but I remember it was to
get into the championship.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
It was the boys game after ours. And this guy
he ended up.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Playing baseball Divisional. He was good, Like there was a
lot of good players. I think it was my junior
so it was a lot of good boys players that year.
And he got falled no time left, and this was
at the Civic Center, so it was like packed there
and he had to shoot his two free throws and
this is to get to the state championship game. He
made the first one, so they were down by one
(38:53):
and he was out there by himself. Then he as
soon as he shot that second one, he knew he
was going to start walking towards.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
That you knew he missed it. I was like, oh
my god.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
I was like I can't even imagine like being on
there by myself to get into the championship game.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
That was like I felt bad, but I was like, dang,
that was some stress.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I probably thought about that shot, like I don't know,
probably for a long time.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
And there's a kid when you're playing basketballs it all
the time, right just for the game. Yeah, you get
that situation.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Your arms get kind of gnomb or something.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
In high school one time where I think I was
a junior and we played we were class to be
school and played Creek and they were like number two
in the state and we played them and were I
think we were down by two, like five secs left.
I go shoot the three and get followed the three
three feet throws to win it. I missed my first two,
so coaches like King's like, you gotta miss the last.
(39:52):
I threw it and just just deflated. But after that
I was like, I was of course embarrassed whatever, but
I was like, like, I was so disappointed myself, so
I practice you throws all the time. So after that
was like, I remember that because I felt horrible. After
I was like, we had beat number two teen in
(40:12):
to state su everbody knees were knocking together everything. I
was like, you like said you practiced that as a kid.
I'm in the situation here. I just blew at that.
I was like, I don't want to feel like that
ever again.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
My dad was always my dad was always always always
making me shoot free throws.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
So it was I was like ten years old, like
a million free throws every.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Day because he made two really big free throws in
high school they went into double overtime and he hit
the two freews to get to championship game. He's always
like stressing the importance of you gotta make your free throws,
practice your free throws. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I'm not a ballplayer, but you know in other sports,
I know for sure I'm not a pressure player. If
I'm in a pressure situation, I'm I'm gonna miss this.
I'm gonna miss this. Oh that's what my mind is saying, like, ship,
I'm going to miss this.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
And then I do know, and I'm like in those
situations like I want to win. I'm gonna I'm gonna
freaking make these so I can.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah see that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. It's all what
you put in your mind, you know, like it's all
what you're Yeah, it's that mental toughness.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I think that just the whole concept of losing someone
and playing for someone that happens on a reservation, even
as you're older, you know, like my brother for instance, right,
it passed away fourteen years ago now, and we're still
put a tournament on for him. But it's like we
remember a lot of people that way.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
We have.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
We have a lot of memorials, you know, our people.
I love that we do that as Native people.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, I mean, okay, here was one of the other
alternative scenes that I was thinking in my head was
going to happen, like that his mom was going to
have a change of heart and come and teach him something.
But oh yeah, I'm glad I didn't because that would
have been really cheesy.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
I think that it was they showed her shooting around
and like, okay.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
She's trying to get sober, she's shooting around with him,
good enough.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
I think they didn't want to show her because she
can't play basketball, so they had to cut that that idea.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
You're not even following through just critical supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Going to division potential.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
There's my name.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
I know that Ronaldi Becente. She played at a s
U and then she was like the first one, and
that was the same thing. Like maybe both of those players,
the coach and the mom are like a you know,
mix of hers.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's probably true.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I remember watching her play when.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
She was She could shoot and she was always so
as I played. I remember that I played against her
when I was in high school and I was like
scared because that's her being the WNB and they always
talked about her. I'm like, oh man, we've played against
her nationals. She's like let us up, like made all
(43:11):
her three pointers. And she was older, always player, and
she was always really nice. That's the one thing I
remember about her. She's really humble and really really nice,
like if you want, she would visit with you. She
joke around like she never acted might Yeah, yeah, she
was really really like.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
I really liked her playing against her and she was
really nice.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Well, I was gonna mention the scene where they go
out partying before the big game and that guy is
sitting in the in the locker room and he's ready
to throw up. It was that fireball messed me up.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Fireball gross.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I know, I like fireballs, So.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
I was glad. That was so glad that.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Jimmy actually got mad at him. But you know, like
you should not be partying before your big game. You know,
it's like their district championship game or something.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
Yep, that's it to me. I was showing that attitude like, oh,
we made it.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
They don't have to do enough.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
That's good enough.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
I was just going to say, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Kind of another little theme that they threaded in there,
which is like celebrating too early, because that's like a
common thing that happens, Like I've seen it many teams,
like oh yeah, they went out and celebrated.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Before they before they even played the big game, you know,
and it's like, don't do that. And they were saying
that in the car too, like we made it, Like
what's the big deal. I was like, well, don't you
want to win?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
When you said would have pulled up the hard work one.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
It's hard to make those decisions when you're a kid, though.
You you want instan gratification.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
When you're a kid, party now and win it and
party again. Yeah, I don't realize you tear your body
before the exactly.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
That's how you learn.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Another scene I want to mention is where the kids
are drinking and stuff at the end. I just thought
it was weird they had them. Usually they show them
with like red cups. They had them like carrying around
beer bottles. I was like, what's going on, Like, I know,
kids party or whatever, but I always see movies where
they just have the kids drinking out of a red
(45:35):
cup blatantly drinking beer on camera. So I didn't like
that they had us. You know, they had natives drinking
the beer, not have red cups.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
I got worried for a second there that we're going
to drive back and get the car wrect or something.
I looked at the time. I was like a couple
of minutes after someone going to die, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 5 (45:58):
More tragedy.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Yeah, that's why I can tell I'm getting old as
I'm like worried about the kids.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Going out?
Speaker 3 (46:11):
What are they doing?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Go home?
Speaker 1 (46:17):
All?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Well, that we are at that part of the pod,
where are we making the suggestion watch this movie?
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Yes, I would recommend, but you need some tissues from
the beginning.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
No, I absolutely I recommend it to all my friends too,
because I think learning experience in a lot of ways
and just really realistic and a lot of ways too.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah, I would say that too, Like this one's this
one's a big hit, like we said, didn't go over
the top. Had just the right amount of humor, just
the right amount of tissue moments. Yeah, and a lot
of good themes. I think that sitting down with your
nieces and nephews and your kids and your students at
(47:00):
your school and just saying, you know, hey, there's some
themes here to to talk about to learn from. And
I think it's a I think it's a movie that's
gonna have some steam power. Yep.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
You know, we could have easily had twenty themes and
it kind of just kept it to the main one exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Yeah, we always talk about that. A lot of movies
that natives make, they try to throw in every.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Single twenty lessons, yeah, an hour and a half.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
Every time.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
This one just stuck. Yeah, I just stuck, and it
made it really good point throughout the whole movie. So
that was good. All right, Well you heard it here
and you heard it from the ballers themselves, a shoot off.
All right, thanks for joining us on the red Geze, guys,
(47:50):
and keep listening. We're gonna be getting into spooky Halloween
season suits, so keep the listening. Give us some stars
and sure and tell your friends come listen to the Regae.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yes, all right, So next time, by water, flutes and feathers,
eagles crying, no more saviors, no more lies waiting for
better days.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
We'll be here with our reg gus.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Hey, hey, hey, here, here
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