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involved ladies and. Gentlemen tonight's show is about The Nazi
party And Elon. Musk but before we get into, THAT
i want to play you a Bob dylan classic that
has now been re. RELEASED i do not believe in,
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profits but this song is dedicated to the, refugee the,
deportee the, oppressed the, immigrant and freedom loving. People americans
listened to the lyrics of This Bob dylan classic that
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he wrote when he was twenty one years, old and
he's eighty three, Now and tell me what these lyrics
mean to you.
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Today oh we're have you, Ben i'm blood, sir.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
And we're have you, Ben my, darling young.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
One i've them alongside of twelve Misty. Mountain i've, WALKED
i crawled on six cricket.
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Highways they're stepped in the middle of the seven side.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Forest i've been hide in front of a dozen dead.
Speaker 8 (09:11):
Oceans i've been ten thousand miles and a mile of a.
Graveyard and it's. Hard it's. Hard it's. Hard it's. Hard
it's a hard. Rain they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Fall what what did you, see my, blood? Sir and
what did you, see my, darling young? One some newborn
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baby with wild.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
Wolves all around, it.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So high wed diamonds with nobody on. IT i saw
a black branch with blood that kept. Dripping saw roomful
of men with their hammers. BLEEDING i saw a white
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ladder all covered with. WATER i saw ten thousand, talkers
these tongues were all, broken saw gunshoped swords in the
hands of young. Children and it's, hard it's, hard it's,
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hard and it's, hard it's hard.
Speaker 8 (10:46):
RAINS i got a.
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Ball what did you, hear my blue, eyes? Sir and
what did you, hear my dolling young? ONE i heard
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the sound of the thunder that roared out a. WARNING
i heard the roar of a wave that could drown
the whole. WORLD i heard one hundred drummers whose hands
were a. BLAZING i heard ten thousand whisperer nobody. LISTENING
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i heard one person, star heard many people. LAUGHING i heard.
Speaker 8 (11:43):
The song of a poet who died in the.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
GUTTER i heard the sound of a clown who cried
in the. Alley and it's, hard it's, hard it's.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Hard it's a hard it's a hard.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Rains i'm gonna. Fall what did you, meet my blue, eyes?
Sir who did you, meet my, darling young? ONE i
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met a young child beside a dead. PONY i met
a white man who walked a black. DOG i met
a young woman her body was. BURNING i met a young.
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Girl she gave me. RAINBOW i met one man who
was wounded in. LOVE i met any man who was
wounded in the.
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Hatred and it's. Hard it's. Hard it's. Hard it's.
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Hard it's.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
Hard rain.
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Are gonna.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
Fall and what are you doing, now my blue eyes?
Son and what are you doing, now my darling young.
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One i'm a going bag out for the rains starts.
Falling i'll walk to the depths of the deepest dark, forest.
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Where the people are many in their hands are all,
empty where the pellets are.
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Poison i'm flooding my, water where the home in the
valley meets the, damp dirty. Prison any executioner's face is
always well. Hidden we're, hungry. Ugly where the Souls i've.
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Forgotten.
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We're.
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Black he's the color where none is the.
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Number And i'll tell it and speak it and think
it and breathe, it and reflect from the mountains so
all souls can see. It And i'll stand on the
ocean UNTIL i start, singing.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
And i'll know my song well BEFORE i start. Singing
and it's, hard it's, hard it's, hard and it's a.
Harm it's a hard Ray i'm gonna fall.
Speaker 15 (15:16):
Thank, you Mister. Dylan ladies and, gentlemen people of goodwill
all over the. World Tonight i'm going to talk About
Elon musk and His nazi. Background our democracy is at a,
crossroads and my information comes tonight from the WONDERFUL pbs
(15:40):
Show Democracy, now hosted By Amy. Goodman i'm gonna crib,
Heavily amy from your reporting in order to get the word,
Out but anybody who wants to read this for themselves
or see the other reporting Of Democracy now can go
to Their siri or Their google and Google Democracy Now
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Elon musk and find the three shows On Elon musk's.
Background so let me run through basically What Democracy now has,
reported and Everything i'm going to talk about here now
comes from The Democracy now. Reports they interviewed in this
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Section chris, mcgrel who was a reporter From South, africa
And amy starts out by asking, him what Is musk's
background is Grandfather Joshua. Haldeman chris mcgrel, said, well, well
we see musk Grandfather Joshua. Haldeman he immigrates To South
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africa in nineteen fifty and that's really when apartheid had
just started to kick in the nineteen fifties are where
the most the first. Laws South africa had discriminate monetary laws,
before but you see the specific apartheid laws which are
much more aggressive and in many ways reminiscent of The
Nazi nuremberg laws Against jews in the nineteen. Thirties they
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have very similar echoes in stripping black people from the
right to work in certain, places their, movements controlling, them
confining them to. Areas you already had a situation which is,
now you, know come to life because of the recent
events With. Trump you, Mean amy asks, Him you Mean
Elon musk giving The nazi. Salute he says. Yes but
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also with sanctions over, land is that the nineteen Thirteen
Land act had already deprived most black people of land
In South. Africa, anyway at that, point the seven percent
or ten percent as it was of the population that
was white owned more than eighty five percent of the
land under The Land act of nineteen. Thirty so the
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apartheid laws kick in the nineteen. Thirties musk was born
in nineteen seventy one In johannesburg and at that point
The Prime minister was a guy Called John, bolster And
John bolster's background is very telling really Because wolster in
the nineteen thirties have been a member of the Neo
nazi militia called THE O b which was openly sympathetic
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and linked to The nazis In. Germany it was responsible
for all kinds of, attacks but including Burning jews out
of their businesses In. Johannesburg that was in the nineteen.
Thirties in the late, thirties and Then South africa goes
to war as an ally Of britain Against, hitler THE
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ob and the groups that support them Like. Worcester people
Like worcester they actively opposed that they actually are in
touch WITH ob is in touch with Certain german military
intelligence and they planned to assassinate The Prime minister Of South,
Africa John, smutz and overthrow the government and have its Support.
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Hitler that plan failed because The germans are unable to
provide the necessary weapons and back. Out but in nineteen forty,
Two John, vista late Later Prime, minister stands up and
gives a speech and he talks about the system that
they their ideological belief, system which Was christian, nationalism and
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he Says Christian nationalism In South africa is the same
As nazism In germany and fascism In. Italy it's all anti,
democratic it's all the same. Thing by nineteen seventy, one
When Elon musk is, born that man is the Prime
minister Of South, africa And christian nationalism is the basis
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not only of the political philosophy but the entire education
system That Elon musk is brought up. Into so musk
grandfather moves To South africa in the nineteen, fifties he's
not particularly. Prosperous he arrives without a lot of. Money
but It's Elon musk's, Father, errol who makes the real,
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money principally through investments in emerald mines In. Zambia and you,
know mining conditions In Southern africa in that period were
really pretty dire in the sixties and, seventies very high
death rate of the black, miners very poor, conditions but
the owners got very rich And Elon musk lived we
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could only be described as a neocolonial. Life if you
were a White South african in that period and you
had any money at, all you live with servants at
your beck and. Call you lived in a sprawling. Housing
and you see With Arrow musk is when we get
a glimpse of just how much money he had when
he And elon's mother got. Divorced she says at the
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time that, well he owns a, yacht he owns a,
jet he owned several, houses so there was considerable wealth. There,
now the grandfather Of Elon musk was on the record
in his support For. Worcester he was certainly on the
record in support for apartheid and vividly so, yes he,
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said that's why he moved To South africa From canada
in nineteen forty was in support of. It now the
grandfather himself is killed a few years later in a plane,
crash and it's not known What elon's grandmother's personal views
Of verst particularly, work but they were both avid supporters
of the apartheid, system and grandmother lived for a number
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of years. Afterwards So amy had Asked chris, mcguirel how
did the maternal grandparents how they move To South? Africa,
well originally the grandparents had no connection To South. Africa
they're born and grew up In. Canada in the nineteen,
thirties the, Grandfather Joshua. Haldeman he's head of The canadian
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branch of A us movement Called Technocracy Incorporate, it And
Technocracy incorporated is essentially a movement to overthrow democratic governments
in The United states and have, technocrats big businessmen in
many ways come in and run the. Country that's partly
a reaction To Franklin Dell roosevelt's election and The New
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deal and massive reforms that he's introduced in The United.
States were they going to launch a coup AGAINST fdr From. Canada,
No canada had its own branch of the movement to
overthrow the government In. Canada He haldeman heads that, branch
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and through the nineteen thirties it took on increasing fascist.
Overtones they start wearing gray uniforms modeled on The nazi
brown and black, shirts and so When canada declares war
On germany in nineteen thirty nine Alongside, britain the movement
is banned because it's clearly sympathetic To. Hitler Then haldeman is.
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Arrested el grandfather's. Arrested they find documents sympathetic to The
nazis and other subversive documents inside his, house and he
sent to prison for a few months then remains essentially
a subversion watch lists for the rest of the war In.
Canada so he's basically regarded as A nazi, sympathizer a fellow.
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Traveler and then he moved To South. Africa why, well
after the war he found another political movement which has
deep Anti semitic roots and actually promotes the forgery the
Book The protocols of The elders Of. Zion that's, it
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that's a forgery that was written to Slander. Jews but,
obviously after the war and The, holocaust there's no real
appetite for that stuff In. Canada it's a failing political
movement In, canada and so The grandpa casts his eyes
down To South. Africa by nineteen, fifty the apartheid movement
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has been in power for two years And haldeman looks
at it and, thinks that's my kind of, place which
clearly that was where he wanted to create In canada
and had been trying to create in the nineteen. Thirties
and so that's the point at which he and his Wife,
maya they moved To South africa and become very fervid
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supporters of. Apartheid So Amy goodman had asked about some breaking.
News and that is in addition to cutting off all
aid To South, africa and that Is sam N, juma
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the freedom fighter turned. President you, Remember trump has cut
off all aid To South africa saying that they are
racist and they are oppressing their white. PEOPLE a united
people striving to advantage a common good for all members
of society will always emerge. Victorious and what used to
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be Called Southwest africa became an Independent. Namibia So Sam
najuma was head of The Southwest African People's organization which
was a liberation movement In namibia that's also known AS.
SWAPO swapo, indeed REALLY swapo takes off and has us
able to have. Effect After angola becomes independent and the
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fall of The portuguese, dictatorship The portuguese colonies, leave colonials Leave,
angola And angola provides a base then FOR swapo to
really fight to Liberate Southwest. Africa this becomes known as
The Border. War, euphemistically The South africans call it The Border.
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War they actually Invade angola in an attempt to overthrow
The marxist leaning government Of, angola but also to KEEP
swapo at. Bay but the war goes on and Eventually
South africa loses that. War at that, period, though one
of the things that you see Is Peter, teel another
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member of The PayPal, mafia very close to Musk he
had been at school In, johannesburg but his father got
a job on a uranium mine Near swakomund in what
is Then Southwest, africa and So peter tele moves there
as a child and goes to school. There and the
thing to know About Southwest, africa the reason it was
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separate From South africa is that it had been A
german colony until the end of The First World. War
then it falls Under South africa's, mandate partly because at
that Point South africa was A british. Colony When South
africa became a republic in the, sixties it hangs on
To Southwest africa and it becomes A South african. Colony
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but the, population big part of the population was Of german,
ancestry and you could and the reporter says he remembers
going to Wind hook in the early nineties and the
main thoroughfare Through winderhook was called hermann Gering strass name
not after The liftwaffa, chief but after his, father who
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had been a governor Of German Southwest africa In, schwachimund
it was even more. Extreme it was notorious for, many many,
years really into the eighties and nineties as a hotbed
of open support continued support for The nazis and For.
Hitler The New York times has a story from the
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mid seventies of a reporter pulling up at the gas
station to get his car filled with gas and the
attendant openly giving A nazi salute at Saying Hyle hitler to.
Him you could go to curio shops At swakimund and
they would Sell nazi themed mugs and flags and, things
and they openly Celebrated hitler's birthday Every. May teal went
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to A german school, there so that's the atmosphere he
grows up. In his father is an official on a
uranium mine. There and the interesting thing about the uranium,
mine amongst other, things is that it's supplied part of
the uranium to develop The South african atomic bombs in
the nineteen, seventies which were developed in league With. Israel
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now part of the deal Was. Israel that is that
The South africa would deliver yellow cake uranium To. Israel
we don't know where the yellow cake came. From it
may have come from The schwackmund area, mine or it
may have come from somewhere else In South. Africa But
South africa was shipping yellow cake To israel at the
same time because it too was developing nuclear. Weapons, now
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who is This? Peter how did he show up at
the First republican convention that Dominated trump and supported? Him,
Well Peter teel Says chris mcgreel and Democracy. Now Peter
teel has said of his time In, schwackemund and particularly the,
school which he describes as particularly a brutal, education that
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it turned him against government and into a. Libertarian and
that's an interesting element in all this is one of
the things that isn't necessarily appreciated outside Of South. Africa
there are two kinds of whites. There there's The Alfred
conners who we've been talking, about but there's a Big
english speaking white. Population and one of the aspects of
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The english speaking population is that they on paper say
they opposed, apartheid but they gained all of its, benefits
and most of, them certainly not, All there were some
really heroic, individuals but most of them did very little
to actually end. Apartheid but one of the products is
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that you have people Like musk And teal who have
done very well and whose parents did very well out
of the apartheid, system who deny responsibility for. It they
blame it on a, government extreme, government extreme right wing.
Government but then they have to explain how it is
that their own parents were able to do so well
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out of, apartheid and they put that down to individual
talent and they're naturally, gifted and that leads them down
this whole libertarian anti government path because essentially they have
explained how they too were the were benefits of apartheid
without taking. Responsibility so the relationship Between Peter tiel And Elon,
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musk according To Democracy, now, well they're co founders Of PayPal.
Together they both essentially share the same kind of worldview
from what this Reporter chris mcgreel can bake. Out they're,
libertarians they're opposed to any kind OF. Dei you've seen a,
(31:14):
deep deep hostility TO. DEI i Think teo buys into
the same message about edi white the war on white
people At South, africa The South african white groups Like
Afro forum have been pushing in The United. States SO i,
think you, know philosophically they're very similar and obviously they
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have a close. Relationship amy Asked chris mcgrel about the third,
Person David, sachs part of the Pay pal mafia and
how he fits into all of. This, Well David sachs
was born In Cape town in the seventies and he
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moves his parents take him To tennessee when he's five years,
Old so he didn't grow up in the same milia
As Mark musk And, teal but he did grow up
in the White South african diaspora for. Sure he clearly
states the same views you, know as you, say they're
part of The PayPal. Mafia they all get rich from
(32:17):
the creation of this. Company they're all at the top running.
It and Now sacks as emerged As TRUMP'S ai and
cryptosar again part of the same. Project and wasn't he
chief fundraiser For President? TRUMP a big, One chris mcgrel,
(32:38):
Says and as you, say born In Cape, Town amy, asks,
yes a Big so they've emerged with essentially from What
chris mcgreil could make, out the same philosophy and of,
course that's only been reinforced by their. Success they're convinced
obviously by their own genius and, worth and, government whether
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It's South african government or in this case it seems
to be THE us government is an obstacle to. Success
now there's a fourth in this, quartet A Ruloff, bout
and he's a white man of a certain age and his.
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History chris mcgrel, says, well, yes he's part of, it
and he has. Been he has not emerged as an
open supporter Of. Trump mcgrail says he's not entirely sure
what his personal views on, this but he does have
a very interesting. Background his grandfather was Pick, botta who
was essentially the last foreign minister of Apartheid South. Africa
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and Pick boat's job essentially was to go around the,
world particularly The, west and assure them that apartheid was being,
amended was being, dismantled when in, fact in many, ways
although it was known as petty, apartheid which was the routine,
discriminations the segregation was being, dismantled in, fact the political
system was actually only reinforcing, apartheid solidifying. It the government
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of the time cooked up a system of three parliaments
that would represent three different parts of the. Population But
i'd give people who weren't some people who weren't white a,
vote but none of those people were, black so there
was No black. Parliament partly in, course they were being
pushed into the independent. Homelands the idea was that they
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were no Longer South african. Anyway So pickbota went around
tried to apologize an excuse for this, system and he
was successful with you, know. Conservatives he saw a lot
Of reagan and. People they loved him, here the same
With thatcher In. Britain they saw him as the acceptable
face of, apartheid and he was so diluted by the
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end he was. Convinced the reporter chrisp says he remembers
meeting him during the area of trans to democracy from.
Apartheid he was so, Convinced chris says that he was
indispensable to the system That bendela would have to appoint
him for Ad, minister which he duly did. Not amy
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asked whether the background of all these men's families was
Fleeing Mandela's South. Africa, Well chris reports they. Didn't some
of them left Before it's worth noting That Elon musk
left in nineteen eighty eight at the age of, eighteen
just as he would have been eligible to be drafted
into The South African army as all white males were
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at that, point which might have led him to fight
the border war THAT i was talking about In angola Against,
swapo or it might have led him into the townships
with at that point were in complete. Ferment and you,
know he had a huge amount of civil unrest in
Some North. Africa at that, point the country had largely become.
(36:03):
Ungovernable it was in a state of, emergency and the
white troops were trying to keep some form of order
in the black townships Like. Soweto he left before he
had to do any of that military. Service, hmmm just
Like Donald. Trump that's my. Editorial so very, Interestingly amy
asked for people who aren't Aware Elon musk had a
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company Called. Xcom it was an online. Bank it merged
With coffinity in two thousand From. PayPal that merged company
was Renamed PayPal in two thousand and. One and you
have all these guys who you've just laid out but
now key. Players and that brings us To trump's order
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Last friday to Cut South africans who are victims quote
of unjust racial. Discrimination but, interestingly many of the right
wing lobbies say they wanted to stay focused on ending
black majority. Rule this has flipped bys the chairperson of
what's Called Solidarity. Union he, says we might disagree with
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THE a AND, c but we love the country as
in any. Community there are individuals who wish to, immigrate
but the reparation of africaners is, refugees is not a
solution for. Us we want to build a Future South.
Africa so at that, Point Amy goodman says he's speaking
in front of a sign that SAYS Afra forum put
(37:31):
this in. Context, chris what are The afrikaaners, Saying, no
this is our, land we don't want to come to
The United. States chris mcgrel, says, WELL Ni forum is
backpedaling furiously now because there's been a huge backlash In
South africa from people who blame it for this. Situation in,
fact some people have accused it of. Treason but if
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you look WHAT Afri forum was saying a decade, ago
and certainly in twenty, eighteen when people Like Kelly kruel
were claiming there was a white genocide or who was
ahead of the uniform and others were coming to The United.
States they were claiming there was a white. Genocide they
were claiming there was a war on white people In South,
africa and they were essentially trying to characterize the post
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apartheid era as one of oppression Of, afrikaners that they
were the victims of, it and they're not alone in.
This they had a phenomenon ever since the end of,
Apartheid africaners painting themselves as. Victim there was a song
emerged in the nineties Called Dela ray and it's very
popular With. Afrikaaners it's sung in bars at rugby matches
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And de La ray was a famous general who fought
to the bitter read against The british in The Boer
war The Second Boer war in the early twentieth, century
which The afrikaaners then. Lost and this song essentially is
an attempt to Take afrikaners back to a time when
they were the, victims when it was there women and
children dying In british concentration camp and when they were
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the people who were, oppressed and it conjures up this
boar general who he may be losing the, war but
he's going to fight to the last bitter. End, Editorially
i'd noticed that The nazis In World war two And
hitler had the horsed vessels, slung which was also extolling
one of their alleged, heroes And chris mcgarco's on the,
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report and this is how they've been characterizing. Themselves some
of them an anti form is just a kind of
attempt to rewrite history and make out that they're the,
minority and they've been persecuted not just by the post
apartheid era but by The british and they have a
long history and apartheid was just a means of. Survival
all they were trying to do is keep themselves in
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their culture. Alive it has one other effect which they
hadn't expected and has alarmed, them is that in all
the orders that have been given out canceling aid and,
agreements one of them affect agricultural products being imported to
The United, states which have generally been duty free as
means of Helping. Africa one result is that their own
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products are no longer being imported duty free into The United.
States so these White South african farmers who have been
complaining of oppression will now actually be being hit with
tariffs or regular, duties and so it's going to cost them,
financially which is one of the reasons they are upset by,
it pretending that it has nothing to do with. Them
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so this interview was done in Early, february ladies and,
gentlemen AND i urge all of you to Find Democracy
now and it's three part series On Elon musk in
which they describe entirely what's going on. Here the other
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titles are what Does Elon musk? Believe and how do
the roots of pay pal bafia extend to Apartheid South?
Africa so what's the point of all of? This what's
the point why AM i pointing this? Out, Well Elon
(41:24):
musk has announced that he's about to form a third,
party a third political party for the twenty twenty six midterm.
Elections it's going to be called The America. Party, NOW
i don't know how a non citizen of The United
states can form a political, party But Elon musk is
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not An american. Citizen he's a citizen Of South africa
and doesn't don't our laws prohibit foreigners from contributing To
american political. Campaigns Maybe elon intends to do it through
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dark money in this New American. Party maybe he intends
to fund it through giant packs that do not have
to report who their donors. Are that is a from
the Despicable Supreme court decision a few years ago where
(42:36):
they tried to Pillory Hillary, clinton And Citizens united came
out of that saying that corporations have a right to
free speech because they're human. Beings despite the fact that
corporations don't go to prison for their wrongdoing and only
have to pay, fines they have all the same rights
(42:58):
as we human. Being at any, Rate Elon musk is
going to form this third? Party, really isn't it going
to be the Anti jewish fascists against the Pro jewish?
Fascists and what are the implications for people that are
(43:23):
trying to fight off fascism In? America what are the
implications for progressive. Politics what are the implications for the
only remaining viable, party The Democratic? Party The Democratic party
needs to get its act together. Now democrats or people
(43:50):
who stayed home and didn't vote because they fit the
vote didn't count or they weren't being listened, to or
their agenda wasn't, there or, figured, well we're going to
win In california. Anyway it's time to stop sitting on your.
Hands your freedom is in, danger your democracy is in.
(44:16):
Danger you think it can't happen, Here read the. Book
it can't happen. Here you think that there was never
An American Nazi, party look Up lindbergh and The Nazi. Party,
(44:38):
lindbergh based on his fame for being the first to
fly across at The atlantic in the spirit Of Saint,
louis was A. Nazi during during the nineteen, thirties there
Were nazi meetings In america In New York city At
(44:59):
Madison's Square, garden complete with swastikas and marching and. Shouting Kyle.
Hitler you think it can't happen, here then you're ignorant of,
history AND i urge you to educate. Yourselves Read all
of these things are available to you online. Now it's
(45:19):
so simple to just simply google A siri and find these.
Things what's going to be the implication for, You democrats
of this. Election are you going to let the right,
wing the, fascists the Anti jewish, fascists or the anti
(45:41):
black fascists are the anti immigrant fascists. Win it occurs
to me That jewish people need to get their act
together and realize That Donald trump is not your. Friend
he's only Using israel for his own. Ends is he
(46:04):
allowing net And yahoo to commit a? Genocide do you
really think that it will end the problem with The
palestinians by wiping them all, out by moving them to third?
Countries do you really think that's going to be a.
Solution the more murdered children there are In, gaza the
(46:31):
more radical those people will. Become. PLEASE i don't expect
peace in The Middle east. Ever you, Know jews have
been fighting their neighbors when they were called The hittites
(46:52):
and the other, tights long before they Became. Muslim when
the Prophet, Mohammed praise be his name came, along he
basically Introduced islam to all these tribes that were not The,
jews and the fighting. Continued we're not going to solve
(47:18):
their religious, problems BUT i refuse to allow ancient problems
to drag down my, democracy to ruin my, country to
turn my, nation the greatest free nation in the, world
(47:40):
The United states Of, america into a fascist. PLAYGROUND i
despised the draft Dodging Donald, trump who now has apparently
released a report that he has.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
Water in his.
Speaker 15 (47:58):
Legs how, Interesting, donald is it related to your old
bone spurs that you got the chiropractor in your father's
office to certify so you could dodge the. Draft, Yeah
i'm glad you weren't In vietnam with. Me, donald we'd
have had to shoot you first for. Deserting we cannot
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allow these fascists to take over.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Our.
Speaker 15 (48:30):
Country one THING i agree With Ronald reagan on we
are that great shining light on a. Hill we are
the harbinger of democracy for the. World we are not
fools to the world Like trump tries to. Claim i've been.
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Abroad i've seen How america is held in a good.
Light The french celebrate our saving Of france And World
War two every. Day they maintain that graveyard every. Day
(49:11):
and WHEN i Visited, normandy the troops from different, nations
knowing THAT i was An, american thanked me for what
our fathers and grandfathers did and saving democracy from the
fascists Of. Europe so don't believe that we're held up
as a laughing stock Like trump tries to, say when
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you're running down my, Country, donnie you're walking on the
fighting side of, me And i'm ready to fight not with,
violence but with, words with, money with. Effort, democrats you
need to have a dialogue of where your party is going.
Now you need to have the message. Right you need
(49:59):
to reach out and involve many more new. People you
need to take back at least three congressional districts and
we can do it here In. California you need to
reform the. Party so what are we going to do about?
(50:28):
It what are going to be your? Goals you, know
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Funding on the twenty ninth Of, august there will be
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no meeting because it Is Labor day and we will
Celebrate Labor day the week before, that though there will
be a show here at The reformer With Alan berteleman
AND i hope to have labor union people on this
and the subjects is going to be our labor union
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still viable In america? Today clearly the fascists want to
get rid of all the. Unions they're trying to do
it in The department Of. State they're doing it all
over the federal government by weakening our country and we
can ead the labor. Unions they basically want to take
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us back to the nineteenth century to some fantasy world
where tariffs supported a very small and weak central. Government
that's impossible in this day and. Age The United states
(55:03):
Of america cannot continue to be a leader when it
does not have the finances to support. Itself how many
of you Seen Ferris Bueller's Day. Off Ferris Bueller's Day,
off and the teacher there tells them about The Smoot. Act,
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anyone anyone was, tariffs and the tariffs did or did
not save The United. States, anyone anyone did. Not The
United states is a much different place than it was
in the nineteenth century under the robber barons Like, Carnegie Nobell,
(55:55):
rockefeller who paid no, taxes who will pressed the working,
people who had no rights, whatsoever who had to go
down in the coal mines and, die who died in
the gold, mines who died in the timber, fields who
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died building The Cranscontinental. Railroad the robber barons held it all. Interestedly.
Enough trump's youngest, SON i feel sorry for. Him he
named him baron. Too that's Because, donald when he was a,
developer used to stiffen phone calls to various influential, people
(56:40):
pretending to be a Mister baron who had particular knowledge
Of Donald trump's greatest new. Project and it took a
long time for the people to catch on that this
Was Donald trump himself doing the. Callings so he likes the.
Name maybe it's something deep seated in, him you. Know
(57:03):
Donald trump was a spoiled little child whose father never
wanted him to be the. Boss he Wanted trump's brother
to be the. Boss But trump's brother made his own.
Way he wanted to be an airline, pilot and his
family denigrated. That why you're nothing but a bell hop
(57:24):
with a, uniform they told. Him but he wanted to
be an airline, pilot so he went ahead and did.
It but when he was but When donald was a,
young uncontrollable child trying to get his father's attention at the,
table his uncle dropped dumped a bull of spaghetti On
donald's head and the whole family laughed at. Him and
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Then donald had to go to military, school which was
when we were, kids is where you sent the bad.
Boys and while at military, school he did little or,
nothing but he got his commanding officer's uniform on for
his class, photo so he stole valor from his leaders
(58:13):
and his father wealthy developer made sure That donald led
the parade of the cadets from the military school In
New York, city even though he didn't deserve. To he
was not the senior. Officer donald's daddy got him into
The Wharton school Of. Business he walked right into the
(58:34):
office with, him and that was the first year of
The Wharton Business. School it was not the prestigious organization
that it is, today and no doubt something may have
passed hands. OTHERWISE i don't know why your rich developer
father needs to walk into the dean's office to get
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you admitted to a. School so many lives From Donald,
trump so many lies from these, people ladies and. Gentlemen
this is The reformer With Alan. Barteleman please get. Involved
don't take it lying. Down do.
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involved ladies and. Gentlemen tonight's show is about The Nazi
party And Elon. Musk but before we get into, THAT
i want to play you a Bob dylan classic that
has now been re. RELEASED i do not believe in,
(07:58):
profits but this song is dedicated to the, refugee the,
deportee the, oppressed the, immigrant and freedom loving. People americans
listened to the lyrics of This Bob dylan classic that
(08:20):
he wrote when he was twenty one years, old and
he's eighty three, Now and tell me what these lyrics
mean to you.
Speaker 16 (08:28):
Today oh we're have you, Ben i'm blood, sir.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
And we're have you, Ben my, darling young.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
One i've them alongside of twelve Misty. Mountain i've, WALKED
i crawled on six cricket.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
Highways they're stepped in the middle of the seven side.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Forest i've been hide in front of a dozen dead.
Speaker 8 (09:11):
Oceans i've been ten thousand miles and a mile of a.
Graveyard and it's. Hard it's. Hard it's. Hard it's. Hard
it's a hard. Rain they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Fall what what did you, see my, blood? Sir and
what did you, see my, darling young? One some newborn
(09:54):
baby with wild.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
Wolves all around, it.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So high wed diamonds with nobody on. IT i saw
a black branch with blood that kept. Dripping saw roomful
of men with their hammers. BLEEDING i saw a white
(10:21):
ladder all covered with. WATER i saw ten thousand, talkers
these tongues were all, broken saw gunshoped swords in the
hands of young. Children and it's, hard it's, hard it's,
(10:42):
hard and it's, hard it's hard.
Speaker 8 (10:46):
RAINS i got a.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Ball what did you, hear my blue, eyes? Sir and
what did you, hear my dolling young? ONE i heard
(11:09):
the sound of the thunder that roared out a. WARNING
i heard the roar of a wave that could drown
the whole. WORLD i heard one hundred drummers whose hands
were a. BLAZING i heard ten thousand whisperer nobody. LISTENING
(11:36):
i heard one person, star heard many people. LAUGHING i heard.
Speaker 8 (11:43):
The song of a poet who died in the.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
GUTTER i heard the sound of a clown who cried
in the. Alley and it's, hard it's, hard it's.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Hard it's a hard it's a hard.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Rains i'm gonna. Fall what did you, meet my blue, eyes?
Sir who did you, meet my, darling young? ONE i
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met a young child beside a dead. PONY i met
a white man who walked a black. DOG i met
a young woman her body was. BURNING i met a young.
(12:46):
Girl she gave me. RAINBOW i met one man who
was wounded in. LOVE i met any man who was
wounded in the.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Hatred and it's. Hard it's. Hard it's. Hard it's.
Speaker 12 (13:09):
Hard it's.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
Hard rain.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Are gonna.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
Fall and what are you doing, now my blue eyes?
Son and what are you doing, now my darling young.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
One i'm a going bag out for the rains starts.
Falling i'll walk to the depths of the deepest dark, forest.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Where the people are many in their hands are all,
empty where the pellets are.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Poison i'm flooding my, water where the home in the
valley meets the, damp dirty. Prison any executioner's face is
always well. Hidden we're, hungry. Ugly where the Souls i've.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
Forgotten.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
We're.
Speaker 8 (14:25):
Black he's the color where none is the.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Number And i'll tell it and speak it and think
it and breathe, it and reflect from the mountains so
all souls can see. It And i'll stand on the
ocean UNTIL i start, singing.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
And i'll know my song well BEFORE i start. Singing
and it's, hard it's, hard it's, hard and it's a.
Harm it's a hard Ray i'm gonna fall.
Speaker 15 (15:16):
Thank, you Mister. Dylan ladies and, gentlemen people of goodwill
all over the. World Tonight i'm going to talk About
Elon musk and His nazi. Background our democracy is at a,
crossroads and my information comes tonight from the WONDERFUL pbs
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Show Democracy, now hosted By Amy. Goodman i'm gonna crib,
Heavily amy from your reporting in order to get the word,
Out but anybody who wants to read this for themselves
or see the other reporting Of Democracy now can go
to Their siri or Their google and Google Democracy Now
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Elon musk and find the three shows On Elon musk's.
Background so let me run through basically What Democracy now has,
reported and Everything i'm going to talk about here now
comes from The Democracy now. Reports they interviewed in this
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Section chris, mcgrel who was a reporter From South, africa
And amy starts out by asking, him what Is musk's
background is Grandfather Joshua. Haldeman chris mcgrel, said, well, well
we see musk Grandfather Joshua. Haldeman he immigrates To South
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africa in nineteen fifty and that's really when apartheid had
just started to kick in the nineteen fifties are where
the most the first. Laws South africa had discriminate monetary laws,
before but you see the specific apartheid laws which are
much more aggressive and in many ways reminiscent of The
Nazi nuremberg laws Against jews in the nineteen. Thirties they
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have very similar echoes in stripping black people from the
right to work in certain, places their, movements controlling, them
confining them to. Areas you already had a situation which is,
now you, know come to life because of the recent
events With. Trump you, Mean amy asks, Him you Mean
Elon musk giving The nazi. Salute he says. Yes but
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also with sanctions over, land is that the nineteen Thirteen
Land act had already deprived most black people of land
In South. Africa, anyway at that, point the seven percent
or ten percent as it was of the population that
was white owned more than eighty five percent of the
land under The Land act of nineteen. Thirty so the
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apartheid laws kick in the nineteen. Thirties musk was born
in nineteen seventy one In johannesburg and at that point
The Prime minister was a guy Called John, bolster And
John bolster's background is very telling really Because wolster in
the nineteen thirties have been a member of the Neo
nazi militia called THE O b which was openly sympathetic
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and linked to The nazis In. Germany it was responsible
for all kinds of, attacks but including Burning jews out
of their businesses In. Johannesburg that was in the nineteen.
Thirties in the late, thirties and Then South africa goes
to war as an ally Of britain Against, hitler THE
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ob and the groups that support them Like. Worcester people
Like worcester they actively opposed that they actually are in
touch WITH ob is in touch with Certain german military
intelligence and they planned to assassinate The Prime minister Of South,
Africa John, smutz and overthrow the government and have its Support.
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Hitler that plan failed because The germans are unable to
provide the necessary weapons and back. Out but in nineteen forty,
Two John, vista late Later Prime, minister stands up and
gives a speech and he talks about the system that
they their ideological belief, system which Was christian, nationalism and
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he Says Christian nationalism In South africa is the same
As nazism In germany and fascism In. Italy it's all anti,
democratic it's all the same. Thing by nineteen seventy, one
When Elon musk is, born that man is the Prime
minister Of South, africa And christian nationalism is the basis
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not only of the political philosophy but the entire education
system That Elon musk is brought up. Into so musk
grandfather moves To South africa in the nineteen, fifties he's
not particularly. Prosperous he arrives without a lot of. Money
but It's Elon musk's, Father, errol who makes the real,
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money principally through investments in emerald mines In. Zambia and you,
know mining conditions In Southern africa in that period were
really pretty dire in the sixties and, seventies very high
death rate of the black, miners very poor, conditions but
the owners got very rich And Elon musk lived we
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could only be described as a neocolonial. Life if you
were a White South african in that period and you
had any money at, all you live with servants at
your beck and. Call you lived in a sprawling. Housing
and you see With Arrow musk is when we get
a glimpse of just how much money he had when
he And elon's mother got. Divorced she says at the
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time that, well he owns a, yacht he owns a,
jet he owned several, houses so there was considerable wealth. There,
now the grandfather Of Elon musk was on the record
in his support For. Worcester he was certainly on the
record in support for apartheid and vividly so, yes he,
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said that's why he moved To South africa From canada
in nineteen forty was in support of. It now the
grandfather himself is killed a few years later in a plane,
crash and it's not known What elon's grandmother's personal views
Of verst particularly, work but they were both avid supporters
of the apartheid, system and grandmother lived for a number
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of years. Afterwards So amy had Asked chris, mcguirel how
did the maternal grandparents how they move To South? Africa,
well originally the grandparents had no connection To South. Africa
they're born and grew up In. Canada in the nineteen,
thirties the, Grandfather Joshua. Haldeman he's head of The canadian
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branch of A us movement Called Technocracy Incorporate, it And
Technocracy incorporated is essentially a movement to overthrow democratic governments
in The United states and have, technocrats big businessmen in
many ways come in and run the. Country that's partly
a reaction To Franklin Dell roosevelt's election and The New
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deal and massive reforms that he's introduced in The United.
States were they going to launch a coup AGAINST fdr From. Canada,
No canada had its own branch of the movement to
overthrow the government In. Canada He haldeman heads that, branch
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and through the nineteen thirties it took on increasing fascist.
Overtones they start wearing gray uniforms modeled on The nazi
brown and black, shirts and so When canada declares war
On germany in nineteen thirty nine Alongside, britain the movement
is banned because it's clearly sympathetic To. Hitler Then haldeman is.
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Arrested el grandfather's. Arrested they find documents sympathetic to The
nazis and other subversive documents inside his, house and he
sent to prison for a few months then remains essentially
a subversion watch lists for the rest of the war In.
Canada so he's basically regarded as A nazi, sympathizer a fellow.
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Traveler and then he moved To South. Africa why, well
after the war he found another political movement which has
deep Anti semitic roots and actually promotes the forgery the
Book The protocols of The elders Of. Zion that's, it
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that's a forgery that was written to Slander. Jews but,
obviously after the war and The, holocaust there's no real
appetite for that stuff In. Canada it's a failing political
movement In, canada and so The grandpa casts his eyes
down To South. Africa by nineteen, fifty the apartheid movement
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has been in power for two years And haldeman looks
at it and, thinks that's my kind of, place which
clearly that was where he wanted to create In canada
and had been trying to create in the nineteen. Thirties
and so that's the point at which he and his Wife,
maya they moved To South africa and become very fervid
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supporters of. Apartheid So Amy goodman had asked about some breaking.
News and that is in addition to cutting off all
aid To South, africa and that Is sam N, juma
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the freedom fighter turned. President you, Remember trump has cut
off all aid To South africa saying that they are
racist and they are oppressing their white. PEOPLE a united
people striving to advantage a common good for all members
of society will always emerge. Victorious and what used to
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be Called Southwest africa became an Independent. Namibia So Sam
najuma was head of The Southwest African People's organization which
was a liberation movement In namibia that's also known AS.
SWAPO swapo, indeed REALLY swapo takes off and has us
able to have. Effect After angola becomes independent and the
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fall of The portuguese, dictatorship The portuguese colonies, leave colonials Leave,
angola And angola provides a base then FOR swapo to
really fight to Liberate Southwest. Africa this becomes known as
The Border. War, euphemistically The South africans call it The Border.
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War they actually Invade angola in an attempt to overthrow
The marxist leaning government Of, angola but also to KEEP
swapo at. Bay but the war goes on and Eventually
South africa loses that. War at that, period, though one
of the things that you see Is Peter, teel another
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member of The PayPal, mafia very close to Musk he
had been at school In, johannesburg but his father got
a job on a uranium mine Near swakomund in what
is Then Southwest, africa and So peter tele moves there
as a child and goes to school. There and the
thing to know About Southwest, africa the reason it was
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separate From South africa is that it had been A
german colony until the end of The First World. War
then it falls Under South africa's, mandate partly because at
that Point South africa was A british. Colony When South
africa became a republic in the, sixties it hangs on
To Southwest africa and it becomes A South african. Colony
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but the, population big part of the population was Of german,
ancestry and you could and the reporter says he remembers
going to Wind hook in the early nineties and the
main thoroughfare Through winderhook was called hermann Gering strass name
not after The liftwaffa, chief but after his, father who
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had been a governor Of German Southwest africa In, schwachimund
it was even more. Extreme it was notorious for, many many,
years really into the eighties and nineties as a hotbed
of open support continued support for The nazis and For.
Hitler The New York times has a story from the
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mid seventies of a reporter pulling up at the gas
station to get his car filled with gas and the
attendant openly giving A nazi salute at Saying Hyle hitler to.
Him you could go to curio shops At swakimund and
they would Sell nazi themed mugs and flags and, things
and they openly Celebrated hitler's birthday Every. May teal went
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to A german school, there so that's the atmosphere he
grows up. In his father is an official on a
uranium mine. There and the interesting thing about the uranium,
mine amongst other, things is that it's supplied part of
the uranium to develop The South african atomic bombs in
the nineteen, seventies which were developed in league With. Israel
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now part of the deal Was. Israel that is that
The South africa would deliver yellow cake uranium To. Israel
we don't know where the yellow cake came. From it
may have come from The schwackmund area, mine or it
may have come from somewhere else In South. Africa But
South africa was shipping yellow cake To israel at the
same time because it too was developing nuclear. Weapons, now
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who is This? Peter how did he show up at
the First republican convention that Dominated trump and supported? Him,
Well Peter teel Says chris mcgreel and Democracy. Now Peter
teel has said of his time In, schwackemund and particularly the,
school which he describes as particularly a brutal, education that
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it turned him against government and into a. Libertarian and
that's an interesting element in all this is one of
the things that isn't necessarily appreciated outside Of South. Africa
there are two kinds of whites. There there's The Alfred
conners who we've been talking, about but there's a Big
english speaking white. Population and one of the aspects of
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The english speaking population is that they on paper say
they opposed, apartheid but they gained all of its, benefits
and most of, them certainly not, All there were some
really heroic, individuals but most of them did very little
to actually end. Apartheid but one of the products is
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that you have people Like musk And teal who have
done very well and whose parents did very well out
of the apartheid, system who deny responsibility for. It they
blame it on a, government extreme, government extreme right wing.
Government but then they have to explain how it is
that their own parents were able to do so well
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out of, apartheid and they put that down to individual
talent and they're naturally, gifted and that leads them down
this whole libertarian anti government path because essentially they have
explained how they too were the were benefits of apartheid
without taking. Responsibility so the relationship Between Peter tiel And Elon,
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musk according To Democracy, now, well they're co founders Of PayPal.
Together they both essentially share the same kind of worldview
from what this Reporter chris mcgreel can bake. Out they're,
libertarians they're opposed to any kind OF. Dei you've seen a,
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deep deep hostility TO. DEI i Think teo buys into
the same message about edi white the war on white
people At South, africa The South african white groups Like
Afro forum have been pushing in The United. States SO i,
think you, know philosophically they're very similar and obviously they
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have a close. Relationship amy Asked chris mcgrel about the third,
Person David, sachs part of the Pay pal mafia and
how he fits into all of. This, Well David sachs
was born In Cape town in the seventies and he
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moves his parents take him To tennessee when he's five years,
Old so he didn't grow up in the same milia
As Mark musk And, teal but he did grow up
in the White South african diaspora for. Sure he clearly
states the same views you, know as you, say they're
part of The PayPal. Mafia they all get rich from
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the creation of this. Company they're all at the top running.
It and Now sacks as emerged As TRUMP'S ai and
cryptosar again part of the same. Project and wasn't he
chief fundraiser For President? TRUMP a big, One chris mcgrel,
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Says and as you, say born In Cape, Town amy, asks,
yes a Big so they've emerged with essentially from What
chris mcgreil could make, out the same philosophy and of,
course that's only been reinforced by their. Success they're convinced
obviously by their own genius and, worth and, government whether
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It's South african government or in this case it seems
to be THE us government is an obstacle to. Success
now there's a fourth in this, quartet A Ruloff, bout
and he's a white man of a certain age and his.
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History chris mcgrel, says, well, yes he's part of, it
and he has. Been he has not emerged as an
open supporter Of. Trump mcgrail says he's not entirely sure
what his personal views on, this but he does have
a very interesting. Background his grandfather was Pick, botta who
was essentially the last foreign minister of Apartheid South. Africa
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and Pick boat's job essentially was to go around the,
world particularly The, west and assure them that apartheid was being,
amended was being, dismantled when in, fact in many, ways
although it was known as petty, apartheid which was the routine,
discriminations the segregation was being, dismantled in, fact the political
system was actually only reinforcing, apartheid solidifying. It the government
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of the time cooked up a system of three parliaments
that would represent three different parts of the. Population But
i'd give people who weren't some people who weren't white a,
vote but none of those people were, black so there
was No black. Parliament partly in, course they were being
pushed into the independent. Homelands the idea was that they
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were no Longer South african. Anyway So pickbota went around
tried to apologize an excuse for this, system and he
was successful with you, know. Conservatives he saw a lot
Of reagan and. People they loved him, here the same
With thatcher In. Britain they saw him as the acceptable
face of, apartheid and he was so diluted by the
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end he was. Convinced the reporter chrisp says he remembers
meeting him during the area of trans to democracy from.
Apartheid he was so, Convinced chris says that he was
indispensable to the system That bendela would have to appoint
him for Ad, minister which he duly did. Not amy
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asked whether the background of all these men's families was
Fleeing Mandela's South. Africa, Well chris reports they. Didn't some
of them left Before it's worth noting That Elon musk
left in nineteen eighty eight at the age of, eighteen
just as he would have been eligible to be drafted
into The South African army as all white males were
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at that, point which might have led him to fight
the border war THAT i was talking about In angola Against,
swapo or it might have led him into the townships
with at that point were in complete. Ferment and you,
know he had a huge amount of civil unrest in
Some North. Africa at that, point the country had largely become.
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Ungovernable it was in a state of, emergency and the
white troops were trying to keep some form of order
in the black townships Like. Soweto he left before he
had to do any of that military. Service, hmmm just
Like Donald. Trump that's my. Editorial so very, Interestingly amy
asked for people who aren't Aware Elon musk had a
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company Called. Xcom it was an online. Bank it merged
With coffinity in two thousand From. PayPal that merged company
was Renamed PayPal in two thousand and. One and you
have all these guys who you've just laid out but
now key. Players and that brings us To trump's order
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Last friday to Cut South africans who are victims quote
of unjust racial. Discrimination but, interestingly many of the right
wing lobbies say they wanted to stay focused on ending
black majority. Rule this has flipped bys the chairperson of
what's Called Solidarity. Union he, says we might disagree with
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THE a AND, c but we love the country as
in any. Community there are individuals who wish to, immigrate
but the reparation of africaners is, refugees is not a
solution for. Us we want to build a Future South.
Africa so at that, Point Amy goodman says he's speaking
in front of a sign that SAYS Afra forum put
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this in. Context, chris what are The afrikaaners, Saying, no
this is our, land we don't want to come to
The United. States chris mcgrel, says, WELL Ni forum is
backpedaling furiously now because there's been a huge backlash In
South africa from people who blame it for this. Situation in,
fact some people have accused it of. Treason but if
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you look WHAT Afri forum was saying a decade, ago
and certainly in twenty, eighteen when people Like Kelly kruel
were claiming there was a white genocide or who was
ahead of the uniform and others were coming to The United.
States they were claiming there was a white. Genocide they
were claiming there was a war on white people In South,
africa and they were essentially trying to characterize the post
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apartheid era as one of oppression Of, afrikaners that they
were the victims of, it and they're not alone in.
This they had a phenomenon ever since the end of,
Apartheid africaners painting themselves as. Victim there was a song
emerged in the nineties Called Dela ray and it's very
popular With. Afrikaaners it's sung in bars at rugby matches
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And de La ray was a famous general who fought
to the bitter read against The british in The Boer
war The Second Boer war in the early twentieth, century
which The afrikaaners then. Lost and this song essentially is
an attempt to Take afrikaners back to a time when
they were the, victims when it was there women and
children dying In british concentration camp and when they were
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the people who were, oppressed and it conjures up this
boar general who he may be losing the, war but
he's going to fight to the last bitter. End, Editorially
i'd noticed that The nazis In World war two And
hitler had the horsed vessels, slung which was also extolling
one of their alleged, heroes And chris mcgarco's on the,
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report and this is how they've been characterizing. Themselves some
of them an anti form is just a kind of
attempt to rewrite history and make out that they're the,
minority and they've been persecuted not just by the post
apartheid era but by The british and they have a
long history and apartheid was just a means of. Survival
all they were trying to do is keep themselves in
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their culture. Alive it has one other effect which they
hadn't expected and has alarmed, them is that in all
the orders that have been given out canceling aid and,
agreements one of them affect agricultural products being imported to
The United, states which have generally been duty free as
means of Helping. Africa one result is that their own
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products are no longer being imported duty free into The United.
States so these White South african farmers who have been
complaining of oppression will now actually be being hit with
tariffs or regular, duties and so it's going to cost them,
financially which is one of the reasons they are upset by,
it pretending that it has nothing to do with. Them
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so this interview was done in Early, february ladies and,
gentlemen AND i urge all of you to Find Democracy
now and it's three part series On Elon musk in
which they describe entirely what's going on. Here the other
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titles are what Does Elon musk? Believe and how do
the roots of pay pal bafia extend to Apartheid South?
Africa so what's the point of all of? This what's
the point why AM i pointing this? Out, Well Elon
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musk has announced that he's about to form a third,
party a third political party for the twenty twenty six midterm.
Elections it's going to be called The America. Party, NOW
i don't know how a non citizen of The United
states can form a political, party But Elon musk is
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not An american. Citizen he's a citizen Of South africa
and doesn't don't our laws prohibit foreigners from contributing To
american political. Campaigns Maybe elon intends to do it through
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dark money in this New American. Party maybe he intends
to fund it through giant packs that do not have
to report who their donors. Are that is a from
the Despicable Supreme court decision a few years ago where
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they tried to Pillory Hillary, clinton And Citizens united came
out of that saying that corporations have a right to
free speech because they're human. Beings despite the fact that
corporations don't go to prison for their wrongdoing and only
have to pay, fines they have all the same rights
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as we human. Being at any, Rate Elon musk is
going to form this third? Party, really isn't it going
to be the Anti jewish fascists against the Pro jewish?
Fascists and what are the implications for people that are
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trying to fight off fascism In? America what are the
implications for progressive. Politics what are the implications for the
only remaining viable, party The Democratic? Party The Democratic party
needs to get its act together. Now democrats or people
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who stayed home and didn't vote because they fit the
vote didn't count or they weren't being listened, to or
their agenda wasn't, there or, figured, well we're going to
win In california. Anyway it's time to stop sitting on your.
Hands your freedom is in, danger your democracy is in.
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Danger you think it can't happen, Here read the. Book
it can't happen. Here you think that there was never
An American Nazi, party look Up lindbergh and The Nazi. Party,
(44:38):
lindbergh based on his fame for being the first to
fly across at The atlantic in the spirit Of Saint,
louis was A. Nazi during during the nineteen, thirties there
Were nazi meetings In america In New York city At
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Madison's Square, garden complete with swastikas and marching and. Shouting Kyle.
Hitler you think it can't happen, here then you're ignorant of,
history AND i urge you to educate. Yourselves Read all
of these things are available to you online. Now it's
(45:19):
so simple to just simply google A siri and find these.
Things what's going to be the implication for, You democrats
of this. Election are you going to let the right,
wing the, fascists the Anti jewish, fascists or the anti
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black fascists are the anti immigrant fascists. Win it occurs
to me That jewish people need to get their act
together and realize That Donald trump is not your. Friend
he's only Using israel for his own. Ends is he
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allowing net And yahoo to commit a? Genocide do you
really think that it will end the problem with The
palestinians by wiping them all, out by moving them to third?
Countries do you really think that's going to be a.
Solution the more murdered children there are In, gaza the
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more radical those people will. Become. PLEASE i don't expect
peace in The Middle east. Ever you, Know jews have
been fighting their neighbors when they were called The hittites
(46:52):
and the other, tights long before they Became. Muslim when
the Prophet, Mohammed praise be his name came, along he
basically Introduced islam to all these tribes that were not The,
jews and the fighting. Continued we're not going to solve
(47:18):
their religious, problems BUT i refuse to allow ancient problems
to drag down my, democracy to ruin my, country to
turn my, nation the greatest free nation in the, world
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The United states Of, america into a fascist. PLAYGROUND i
despised the draft Dodging Donald, trump who now has apparently
released a report that he has.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
Water in his.
Speaker 15 (47:58):
Legs how, Interesting, donald is it related to your old
bone spurs that you got the chiropractor in your father's
office to certify so you could dodge the. Draft, Yeah
i'm glad you weren't In vietnam with. Me, donald we'd
have had to shoot you first for. Deserting we cannot
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allow these fascists to take over.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Our.
Speaker 15 (48:30):
Country one THING i agree With Ronald reagan on we
are that great shining light on a. Hill we are
the harbinger of democracy for the. World we are not
fools to the world Like trump tries to. Claim i've been.
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Abroad i've seen How america is held in a good.
Light The french celebrate our saving Of france And World
War two every. Day they maintain that graveyard every. Day
(49:11):
and WHEN i Visited, normandy the troops from different, nations
knowing THAT i was An, american thanked me for what
our fathers and grandfathers did and saving democracy from the
fascists Of. Europe so don't believe that we're held up
as a laughing stock Like trump tries to, say when
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you're running down my, Country, donnie you're walking on the
fighting side of, me And i'm ready to fight not with,
violence but with, words with, money with. Effort, democrats you
need to have a dialogue of where your party is going.
Now you need to have the message. Right you need
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to reach out and involve many more new. People you
need to take back at least three congressional districts and
we can do it here In. California you need to
reform the. Party so what are we going to do about?
(50:28):
It what are going to be your? Goals you, know
my first sponsor, tonight The Democratic Luncheon club Of San
bernardino is going to be hosting a series of speakers
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Doctor Edward milligan From Valley college is going to be the.
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ortiz A San Bernardino city, councilwoman will be the, speaker
and everybody is invited to come in and ask, questions
to get, involved to join a, committee to join with a,
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On august, first at the meeting of The Democratic Luncheon,
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In San bernardino at twelve. Fifteen that's why it's called
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that great one poo, chicken have a nice, horchata and join.
Us On august, Eighth Joe salis will be the. Speaker
he's a candidate for the fourth Ward City council in
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The city of Sam. Bernardino On august, fifteenth you're going
to hear From Robert, GARCIA i should, say the Honorable Robert.
Garcia he's The assemblement from the Fiftieth Assembly district in
(53:07):
the state Of. California on the twenty second Of august
at The Democratic Luncheon, club you're going to hear From
Paul Blanket, lakennyan and he's going to speak in behalf
of his candidate for The United States congress in the
(53:27):
twenty third district that's the one held now By republican J,
obernaughty who is voting to take away your health, care
who's voting to take away your national public radio and television.
Funding on the twenty ninth Of, august there will be
(53:56):
no meeting because it Is Labor day and we will
Celebrate Labor day the week before, that though there will
be a show here at The reformer With Alan berteleman
AND i hope to have labor union people on this
and the subjects is going to be our labor union
(54:17):
still viable In america? Today clearly the fascists want to
get rid of all the. Unions they're trying to do
it in The department Of. State they're doing it all
over the federal government by weakening our country and we
can ead the labor. Unions they basically want to take
(54:41):
us back to the nineteenth century to some fantasy world
where tariffs supported a very small and weak central. Government
that's impossible in this day and. Age The United states
(55:03):
Of america cannot continue to be a leader when it
does not have the finances to support. Itself how many
of you Seen Ferris Bueller's Day. Off Ferris Bueller's Day,
off and the teacher there tells them about The Smoot. Act,
(55:28):
anyone anyone was, tariffs and the tariffs did or did
not save The United. States, anyone anyone did. Not The
United states is a much different place than it was
in the nineteenth century under the robber barons Like, Carnegie Nobell,
(55:55):
rockefeller who paid no, taxes who will pressed the working,
people who had no rights, whatsoever who had to go
down in the coal mines and, die who died in
the gold, mines who died in the timber, fields who
(56:15):
died building The Cranscontinental. Railroad the robber barons held it all. Interestedly.
Enough trump's youngest, SON i feel sorry for. Him he
named him baron. Too that's Because, donald when he was a,
developer used to stiffen phone calls to various influential, people
(56:40):
pretending to be a Mister baron who had particular knowledge
Of Donald trump's greatest new. Project and it took a
long time for the people to catch on that this
Was Donald trump himself doing the. Callings so he likes the.
Name maybe it's something deep seated in, him you. Know
(57:03):
Donald trump was a spoiled little child whose father never
wanted him to be the. Boss he Wanted trump's brother
to be the. Boss But trump's brother made his own.
Way he wanted to be an airline, pilot and his
family denigrated. That why you're nothing but a bell hop
(57:24):
with a, uniform they told. Him but he wanted to
be an airline, pilot so he went ahead and did.
It but when he was but When donald was a,
young uncontrollable child trying to get his father's attention at the,
table his uncle dropped dumped a bull of spaghetti On
donald's head and the whole family laughed at. Him and
(57:47):
Then donald had to go to military, school which was
when we were, kids is where you sent the bad.
Boys and while at military, school he did little or,
nothing but he got his commanding officer's uniform on for
his class, photo so he stole valor from his leaders
(58:13):
and his father wealthy developer made sure That donald led
the parade of the cadets from the military school In
New York, city even though he didn't deserve. To he
was not the senior. Officer donald's daddy got him into
The Wharton school Of. Business he walked right into the
(58:34):
office with, him and that was the first year of
The Wharton Business. School it was not the prestigious organization
that it is, today and no doubt something may have
passed hands. OTHERWISE i don't know why your rich developer
father needs to walk into the dean's office to get
(58:56):
you admitted to a. School so many lives From Donald,
trump so many lies from these, people ladies and. Gentlemen
this is The reformer With Alan. Barteleman please get. Involved
don't take it lying. Down do.
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