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Welcome Americans to The Reformer, where reason rules, there are
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political power of all of US Americans so as to
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Each week, I'm going to present a provocative invitation to you,
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or issue. I invite you to respond with reason and facts.
There's going to be no shouting, there will be no
incivility or personal insults. None of that's going to be tolerated.
So don't try it, because after two warnings of this
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code of conduct, you're going to find out what happens
to you, and you will be embarrassed. So we're going
to have a number of topics in the future. But tonight,
in honor of Juneteenth, our subjecte is going to be
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reparations to descendants of slaves. What's your opinion about that?
Is that right? Is it wrong? Is it crazy? Is
it workable? Think about it? Think about it and give
us a call right after you hear a little ditty
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from the poet Langston Hughes. Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be. Let
it be the pioneer on the plane seeking a home
where he himself is free.
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America never was America to me.
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Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed. Let it
be that great, strong land of love where never kings connive,
nor tyrant scheme, let any man be crushed by one above.
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It never was America to me.
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Oh, let my land be a land where liberty is
crowned with no false patriotic wreath. But opportunity is real
and life is free. Equality is in the air we breathe.
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There's never been a quality for me. Your freedom in
this homeland.
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Of the free, say Who are you that mumbles in
the dark, and you that draws your veil across the stars.
I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart. I
am the Negro beating slavery scars. I am the red
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man driven from the land. I am the immigrant clutching
the hope I seek and finding only the same old
stupid plan of doggy dog of mighty crush the weak.
I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
tangled in that ancient endless chain of profit. Power day
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or grabbed the land of grab the gold, or grab
the ways of satisfying needs of work, the men of
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I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil. I am
the workers sold to the machine. I am the negro.
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Serve it to you all. I am the people, humble, hungry, mean, hungry.
Yet today despite the dream beaten. Yet today, oh pioneers,
I am the man who never got ahead, the poorest worker,
bartered through the years. Yet I'm the one who dreamt
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our basic dream in the old world, while still a
set of kings, who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave,
so true, that even yet it's mighty daring sings in
every brick and stone, in every furrow turned that's made
America the land it has become. Oh, I'm the man
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who sailed those early seas in search of what I've
been to be my home. For I'm the one who
left dark Ireland shores, and Poland's plane, and England's grassy lee,
and torn from Black Africa Strand, I came to build
a homeland of the free.
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The free who said the free, not me.
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Surely not me. The millions on relief today, the millions
shot down when we strike, The millions who have nothing
for our pay, for all the dreams we've dreamed, for
all the songs we've sung, and all the hopes we've held,
for all the flags we've hung, The millions who have
nothing on our pay except the dream that almost dead today. Oh,
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let America be America again, the land that has never
been yet, and yes, must be the land where every
man is free, the land of the poor man's Indians.
Negroes me who met America, who's sweat and blood, who's
faith in pain, whose hand at the fandry, who's plowing
the rain, must bring back our mighty dream again. Sure
call me an ugly name. Is shoes is steal freedom,
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disustain for those who live like leeches on people's lives.
Who must take back our land again America. Oh yes,
I say it, plain. America is never America to me,
and yet I swear this. So America will be of
the rack and ruin of our gangster death, the rape
and rot of graft and stealth and lives. We the people,
must redeem this land of minds, the plants and rivers,
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the mountains, the enders, plane of all the stretch of
those great states, and make America again.
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All right, all right, we're back America. Thank you very
much for tuning indies and gentlemen, Americans. I have a
special guest tonight. I've known a lot of Americans in
my life. I've known a lot of people from all
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around the world. But our guest tonight is one of
the few people I know who can actually trace her
ancestry to enslaved persons. It's a fascinating story about how
they came to California and I'm gonna let her tell
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it tonight, ladies and gentlemen, I am so proud and
honored to have with me tonight Angela Wilkerson, a woman
who is so involved in our community and so involved
in the history of the city of San Bernardino. So welcome, Angela.
Speaker 9 (14:24):
Thank you Allan.
Speaker 8 (14:26):
Tell us a little bit about your ancestors, how they
came to San Bernardino and what happened to them.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
Well, as you know, I am one of the descendants
at the great great granddaughter of Israel. In eighteen fifty one.
They came with twenty six other slaves with the Mormons
from Utah. So Israebel was born in Virginia in eighteen
forty eight. Along with other twenty six slaves, they were
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brought to the state of California. Here on November twenty sixth,
eighteen twenty six, Jebedi Smith came down out of the
Rocky Hills into the broad Sambardino Valley. This historic first
expedition across the continent from Saint Louis, Missouri had finding
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succeeded in reaching Spanish territory in California. With this expedition
of fifteen men was Peter Rain, the first known black
man to enter California, or the Samaradin Valley as we
call it. The next several stories, as you may hear
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from me, it's about how they came from the s
state of Utah and assumed that blacks did not enter
the valley between eighteen twenty six and eighteen fifty one.
There were some black traders for fur companies and men
who colonized. Surely would have visitor valley within those these days,
and that was Israebel. One of the more famous of
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the second group of pioneers to come into Samedi Valley
in eighteen seventy was Israebel, a former slave Israel Heaven,
freed by the Emancipation of Proclamation in eighteen sixty three.
He joined a Union army as a teamster and marched
to the sea with Sherman's Army in eighteen sixty five.
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His passage to California was paid by mine owners who
needed laborers. He later worked in Arizona and then came
to Sa Sambridean in eighteen seventy. While walking down the
street in sam Mardian one day, he was eyed by
rancher Myron H. Crafts. Myron H. Crafts saw something about
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Ville that attracted him, so he walked over to Israel
and he asked him if he wanted to work, to
which Ville promptly said yes. Then from that day on,
Krauss took Israel to his ranch, and for the next
fifty nine years Israebel lived and worked in the Redlands area.
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Israbel had the two story home in Redlands and his
property was the showcase of flats fire to nineteen hundred.
None of his pictures of his home were well known
today until recently. Records indicate that he lived well. In
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eighteen seventy four, four years after entering the area, Israebel
bought twenty acres on West Lagonia Avenue from doctor Bates,
from which whom he was then working, and built his
house on that property. Thirteen years later, in August eighteen
eighty seven, Israel has saved enough money to remodel his home.
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This was reported in the Redlands Cinigraph newspaper. He did,
had and did fix up his home beautifully. He was
he had built a great life for himself and his family.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
The Mormons kept slaves, yes.
Speaker 9 (18:14):
He did, and they brought them with them, and two
of the major slaves, uh were with Hannah who is
my third great grandmother, and also Betty Mason.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
Was it California a free state.
Speaker 9 (18:29):
And so many weres as people would say it was,
but it was still prone for.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
Slavery, ladies and gentlemen. I'm learning so much here, and
we're going to open the phone line here for you.
In a couple of minutes. You can telephone nine oh
nine three eight three one thousand, three eight three one thousand,
and the nine oh nine, also in the nine oh
nine three eight three eight thousand, and also in the
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nine oh nine three eight three nine thousand. Remember the
rules of conduct. Be calm, be rational. I want to
hear from you. I want to learn from you. I
hope you can hear and learn from us. But shouting
each other, that's not going to cut it, and you
won't be here along. So please call in. Let me
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take a little bit more information from Angela. So, Angela,
did the state of California not do anything about these
enslaved people? This was supposed to be admitted as a
free state, even though.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
It was a minute as a free state. I don't
think the California did much resolving of resolving of slavery,
so it was still practiced even though Caliviuna was deemed
a slave state and to other states.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
I'm amazed. I'm amazed. I had no idea that slavery
was here. Wow, what a situation. What a situation. Ladies
and gentlemen, what's your opinion? What's on your mind about slavery?
Let's let's ring it in. Let's let's hear from you
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at nine oh nine three eight three one thousand, nine
oh nine three eight three eight thousand, nine oh nine
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Line lone Fandyne.
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And not.
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Dixie. Oh thank you King of rock and roll. Ladies
and gentlemen, what got this started? Why is this Juneteenth?
Because on this day, two years after the end of
the Civil War, the black slaves in Texas got the
word that they were free. And how did they get free?
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Let me read you the words A president you may
have heard of and admired Abraham Lincoln by the President
of the United States of America a proclamation. Whereas on
the twenty second day of September, in the year of
Our Lord one thousand, eight hundred and sixty two, a
proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing,
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among other things, the following two wit that on the
first day of January, in the year of Our Lord
one thousand, eight hundred and sixty three, all persons held
as slaves within any state or designated part of a state,
the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the
United States, shall be then thenceforward and for ever free.
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And the executive Government of the United States, including the
military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the
freedom of such persons, and will do no act or
acts to such persons or any of them, in any
efforts they may make for their actual freedom.
Speaker 9 (24:09):
That the Executive will, on the first day of January
a foresaid by proclamation, designate the states and parts of states,
if any, and which the people therefore respectively shall then
be in rebellion against the United States. And the fact
that any state or the people thereof shall on that
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day be in good faith represented in the Congress of
the United States by members chosen there too, at elections
wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such states
shall have participated, shall in the absence of strong countervailing testimony,
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be deemed conclusive evidence that such state and the people
there are not in rebellion against the United States.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Now, Therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States,
by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander
in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States,
in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and
government of the United States, and as a fit and
necessary war measure for suppressing set of rebellion, do, on
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this first day of January, in the year of our
Lord one thy eight hundred and sixty three, and, in
accordance with my purpose to do so, publicly proclaim, for
the full period of one hundred days from the day
first mentioned, order and designate as the states and parts
of states wherein the people thereof, respectively, are this day
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in rebellion against the United States, the following to.
Speaker 9 (25:53):
Wit, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, except that Paris is of Saint
Bernard Jefferson, Saint John, Saint Charles, Saint James, Assisian Assumption,
Saint Mary, Saint Martin, Orleans, including the city of New Orleans, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia,
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South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia except the forty eight
counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkeley,
Elizabeth City, New York, Princess Anne, and Northwark, including the
cities of Northwark, and which accept parts are the President
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left precisely as if this proclamations were not issued.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
And by virtue of the power and for the purpose aforesaid,
I do order and declare that all persons held as
slaves within said designated States and parts of States, and henceforward,
shall be free, and that the Executive Government of the
United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will
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recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
And I hereby enjoying upon the people so declare to
be free, to have stained from all violence, unless in
necessary self defense. And I recommend to them that, in
all cases, when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
And upon this acts sincerely believed to be an act
of justice warned by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I
invoked the considerable judgement of mankind and the gracious favor
of Almighty God.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
A witness whereof I have here unto set my hand,
and caused of the United States to be a fixed
done at the City of Washington, this first day of January,
in the year of our Lord one thousand, eight hundred
and sixty three, and of the Independence of the United
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States of America the eighty seventh, by the President Abraham
Lincoln William H. Sewart, Secretary of State.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
That's why we have Juneteenth, because two years after this proclamation,
the North and the South ended the combat, and the
slaves in Texas on June nineteenth, eighteen sixty five, learned
that they had been free for two years, and they celebrated.
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They had been slaves for four hundred years in this
country since sixteen one. Black men and women had worn chains,
had been sold on auction block, have been separated from
their children because they were nothing but a commodity. So
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what has this got to do with California. Why do
we have an idea that maybe there ought to be
some reparations here. Well, let me tell you before everybody
out there gets their undies in a bunch. There is
no current reparation plan in California. There's no bill that's
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going to become a law. There's only an extensive report
that you can find on the website of the Secretary
of State of California by a Committee on Reparations, a
committee of our legislators that was appointed to make a report.
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It runs for hundreds of pages. The executive summary alone
is seventy six pages. Have I read it? No, Have
you go and read it, Educate yourselves, find out what's
being recommended. There's no bill or law currently at all.
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So don't feel like right now tomorrow somebody's going to
get something that you don't have, something more than you,
or that you're not getting yours, because that is simply
not the case. California as a free state was a misconception.
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There was the constitution prohibited slavery. It didn't prevent individuals
from bringing enslaved people into the state. It wasn't like
England had a rule if a slave to as English soil,
he or she is free. Now the gold Rush and
enslaved labor, that's a little something to do with me,
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my ancestors came from Ireland, and not willingly. We were
refugees from a genocide. There were three million Irish before
the so called Potato famine that was imposed on us
by the Brits. And I'm not bitter to my brit
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cousins whatsoever. But of those three million, one million emigrated,
one million starved to death, and one million stayed. God
bless Ireland. We never want to go back. We came
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over here and we worked as hard in those minds
as the slaves. My family used to say, John Sutter
got the gold mine, we got the shaft. There was
limited enforcement of antislavery laws here. State and local officials
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were unwilling to actively challenge slaveholders bringing in slave people.
I mean, why, you know, why stir the pot? Nobody
required you to. So sometimes they upheld the fugitive slave
laws and return black people to their owners. That was
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the people of the time. You know, I'm not condemning
these white people. They were products of their times, just
like we are today. We can't escape our environment, we
can't escape our neighbors. So don't condemn the person, condemn
the thought and the conduct, and vow to do differently.
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The legacy of slavery, even as a free state, continues
to be the subject of debate and discussion, particularly in
the context of reparations for the descendants of the slaves.
And when California entered the Union as a free state
in eighteen fifty, there was a history of slavery in
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the gold Rush. And these are the things that we're
trying to rectify now. The state of California has already
formally apologized for slavery. And if you think this idea
of reparations is only for people who can trace their
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descent to slaves, you wrong. They're not the only people
who have thought about reparations. In fact, many people have
gotten it in yours. In my lifetime, we've paid reparations
to several groups Japanese Americans in turned during World War Two.
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You know, right after Pearl Harbor, there was a big
panic here. Governor Earl Warren, the great liberal on the
Supreme Court. Many years later, lock them up, put them
in camps, men, women and children. Oh they're dangerous, those Japanese.
So they were torn from their businesses, put in man's
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in our other camps like that where it's cold, and
cabins forbidden's take anything more than they could carry. That's
what happened. They were victims of the war. And you
know what, some of the greatest heroes in World War
two were Japanese. And I'm talking about Senator in a
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Way of Hawaii. You go online and you look up
his Medal of Honor. You take a look at the
picture of him with one arm and if you can
read his commendation how he got the Medal of Honor
in World War II without crying, I'm buying you a beer. Brother.
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Who else has gotten reparations? Native American tribes their land
taken from them, treaty's broken. You know how an Indian
celebrates Halloween trick or treaty In the past, the government
has also compensated slave owners for the lost value in
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the emancipation of their slaves. You know what, sauce for
the goose? Is sauce for the gander? Or is it?
Should it be? Could it be? What's your opinion? Give
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us a call it nine o nine three eight three
one thousand, nine oh nine three eight three eight thousand.
Don't be shy out there, call in nine oh nine
three eight three nine thousand. I don't bite Angela, doesn't bite.
Let us hear what you do, what's on your mind.
Just do it in a civil and rational way and
we'll have a discussion. I don't care what your opinion is,
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express it. This is real free speech. This is talk
between people, and that's what we want to do here, Angela,
while we've got a couple of minutes, what's been the
consequences and I'm throwing her a curveball here that we're
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having been to consequences to your family of slavery? What
happened to the first generation that these freed people happened? Oh?
How did you bring yourself up by your bootstraps?
Speaker 9 (37:18):
Well, we didn't have much choice. It was either survived
or not survive. My third grade grandmother, which was Hannah
Amber Smith Smiley, she was slaved, enslaved by Robert Smith,
and she was owned. They were sold. She was sold
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with three of her children by Robert Smith to other
enslavers for I found out for about five hundred dollars.
So we didn't have a choice. You were put out
in the fields.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
Five hundred bucks was serious. That's like ten thirty fifty
thousand dollars that day.
Speaker 9 (37:57):
Yeah, we did what we had to do to survive,
but we didn't have a choice. We were forced into it.
From what I understand, I think people will have a
better understanding of how West of Slavery started. My dear
good friend, doctor Kevin Waite, who is a professor at
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the University of Durham in London, wrote the book which
can be bought West of Slavery, The Southern Dream of
a Transcontinental Empire, and so people would definitely have an
understanding of that. So they can actually do that and
(38:40):
order that book on Amazon. The second part second book
would be by historian Amy Tanner Thera that wrote the
book Slavery and Zion.
Speaker 8 (38:51):
That's another one, Zion referring to the Church.
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Of Latter Day Seams exactly.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
Yes, I don't want to get off on that subject
in their their history with black people. So the descendants
of these slaves now are populated San Bernardino and Redlands
and Redlands not a bad area for you. That's going
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to be a step up.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
I'm very very proud of Redlands.
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Speaker 8 (41:26):
Hey, bite it, bite it? Or did you see the Dodgers.
It didn't have to be World Series plastic trophy replica night.
They took it right down to the ninth. I'll tell you,
by the way, some interesting things going on down to
Dodger Stadium. Uh, yesterday, Uh, some unidentified agents. It just said, uh,
(41:55):
some three letters were waiting right outside Dodgers Stadium parking
area when they were spotted. Yeah, you know there's a
there's a lot of immigrants. They might arrest up there.
There's uh uh oh tani. Yeah, you know, Uh, they
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might pick up Kiki Hernandez Andy Payes. You know, Andy,
don't let that batting average go down. Who were they
there for? You know, I think there's there's you gotta
be five six players there that are here on green
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card visas. I don't think they were after them, don't
I don't know who they thought they were after. Were
they after the hot dog vendors? I don't know the
guy that sold me the Dodger dog and the and
Nicola could have been him. He had a little a
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little bit of brown skin. Oh will your sick? I
know who it was. It was the It was the
American kid, Mexican American kid from l A who was
walking out of there when some white man gave him
a lotus static and it was all the kid could
(43:28):
do was to walk away. Said, I'm not going to
I'm not going to jail tonight. I got a family
at home. Why can't we all just get along? Why
can't we all just want take along? Oh yeah, oh yeah?
(44:00):
Uh you know, where's the America that we wear a
few years ago? You take the immigrants out of here.
My pool's going green. My yard's going to be overgrown,
even though it's environmentally friendly. You think you think I
(44:21):
do my own housekeeping. I like these people. They don't
just work for me. They work with me, and I
work with them. I've known them for years. You go
and deport my gardener. I'm going to be an angry man,
(44:41):
and my grandkids are not gonna like it when that
pool goes green. Come on, people who here doesn't eat tacos?
Who here doesn't love a burrito? Who here doesn't love
to go to Alvara's street. Eat, where are we America?
(45:06):
What's going on? What's going on? You know, it starts out,
in my opinion, in my humble opinion, to be a
mod talk like the internet. It starts with preaching.
Speaker 13 (45:32):
Fear.
Speaker 8 (45:34):
Oh they taking your jobs. Oh they're rapists. Oh they're murderers.
I don't think the woman who cleans my pool has
raped or murdered anybody, nor would she maybe in self defense.
(45:59):
You know who else pointed out that it was the other.
It was responsible for all your problems. Why you couldn't
get a job, why you didn't have any money, why
inflation was there? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was them Jews.
It was them Jews and them gypsies and them queers.
(46:25):
Let's put them all in camps. Yeah, let's give them
a nice train ride out to Ashwitz and Dahow. Let's
separate them into two lines, to take the little children
in the week and the poor and put them right
in a guess of And let's make the men slave
(46:46):
with no food until they die, and then let's put
them in the oven. Six million Jews. What did it solve?
You know, just as much as slavery is the original
sin of America because it was in our constitution that
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little painter from Austria over there played the same game
as somebody else I know of in this country. Oh,
the reason you're suffering all the base of all your
problems is them Mexicans, them Venezuelans, them costa Ricans, them
(47:37):
guys standing outside of home. Deep bot, I'll tell you what,
go ahead and to port them. Who's going to pick
your crops?
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Way?
Speaker 8 (47:45):
Do you see the price of tomatoes go through the
ceiling as the picking comes. Any of you ever tried
to go into the fields and pick. I did when
I was sixteen years old. My buddy and I hiked
up to Weed, California. We found a labor broker up there.
We told him we were there to pick crops. He says,
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you won't last ten seconds. You won't get through the day.
Now you're gonna be swamping and dry, swamping onions and
driving the trucks. And you know what, I was so
naive and stupid. I must have thought there was a
del Taco or a Jack in the box in the
middle of the field. Because I went out there in
the morning with no water, no food. You think that
(48:34):
labor broker took care of me, gave me some shade,
who brought me a burrito, who brought me water, who
brought me a proper hat, who taught me to wear
long sleeves on a hot day, you know who, and
(48:58):
from then on, and that was a gift. It's free
for nothing. They could have sat there and laughed at us,
and I'm sure they did, but they also had mercy
in their hearts. They came, they took care of us,
and we arranged from then on for them to bring
us our meals out there and to take care of us.
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And I learned a lot more than just out of
swamp onions, ladies and gentlemen. I learned about humanity has
nothing to do with the color of your skin or
the place you were lucky or unfortunate enough to be born.
Let's make America be America again. Please. I'm adamant about this.
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I am so dying to get back to all of
us getting together, and I'm kno going to back down
on that. I will never back down.
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Speaker 8 (51:40):
Some fuck them out, made away, the plan that red
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Speaker 13 (51:51):
Oh sagod, John berger Man, you know we that war
in Vietnam without a bit of violence. Well, you know
there there were scattered incidents. You got to admit the
SDS and the weathermen went a little bit overboard, but
(52:16):
by and large, you know, a million people in the street,
millions in the New mobe and marched and the war
nineteen sixty eight in New York, marching through Central Park
in San Francisco.
Speaker 8 (52:33):
Man, I was there with the crowd. I'm proud to
say we marched into Golden Gate Park and there were speeches.
I mean, you know, we heard from the Black Panthers,
we heard from Joan Bias, I heard from j Silverheels.
(52:58):
I'm dating myself. You don't remember Jay Silvia Heels, but
if you remember the lone ranger Tonto Tonto. I went
up to him and said, mister silver Heels, I'll admarry
you all my life. He says, thank you very much.
Who was that mass man? Anyway? You know the way
(53:25):
this country continues to treat its Native Americans. I don't
want to get too far off subject here, but Leonard
Peltier is on the res up there a Turtle Mountain.
You may not remember the name Leonard Peltier, but I
bet you you remember Wounded Knee. I bet you remember Alcatraz.
(53:49):
Of course, Alcatra is going to be reopened.
Speaker 13 (53:52):
There's a prison.
Speaker 8 (53:53):
Now, that'll be the day that thing's in such disrepair
they would have to tear it down to use it
as a prison again. And besides which in the old
days it wasn't escapable. Today it is anyway, let's not
get off on that. But there's so mistreatment in this country.
(54:15):
Unless you've been on the receiving side, you really don't
understand it. I mean, you can all tell I'm a
white boy, I'm an old white man. Nobody's ever discriminated
against me for my race. In fact, it's an advantage,
(54:36):
you know. I'm first in line when it comes to
job selections. So was my kid. My kid graduated from
cal Poly Pomona with an engineering degree. Almost probably fifty
percent of his class were Asians and other races. He
had three job interviews, I'm bragging now, and three offers.
(55:02):
Was that just because he had the English skills? Was
that just because his mom worked for the years for
the engineering firm that he first went to work for.
A congratulations son, if you're out there by the way,
he's a fine man, a good engineer and a good
(55:23):
human being. But the point is we get the advantage
because of the color of our skin. Nobody calls me
the W word. I'm telling you, I went to jam
(55:48):
last night with it largely a group of black musicians
and the best young guitar player I ever heard, Lefty.
And you know, in jazz or in music, there's no
(56:10):
racial disharmony with jazz is the original American music. And
that's a blend of African and white. And who picked
up jazz? You listen to Rhapsody in Blue by George Gershwin.
(56:33):
That's jazz taken to a symphonic level, one of the
finest pieces, by the way. George Gershwin a Jew, George
and Ira Gershwin. Don't be afraid. Nobody's taken our jobs.
(56:58):
They're picking our crops and we're deporting them. All you
will be will be DEPORTI check that old tune by
Woody Guthrie, plain wreck over Los Gatos. They didn't even
(57:20):
know their names, and all they will be will be
DEPORTI it didn't work back in the fifties. We need
comprehensive immigration reform. We need to deal with one another,
black and white, not just June teenth, but every teenth.
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My friends, my brothers, my sisters, my fellow Americans, this
fine common ground again, what is this fight about. I'm
not here to do violence. Neither are you. I said
(58:06):
I will give my life and fight for my country,
but I will not harm another American in defense of
this country. That's uncalled for. And these violent little anarchists
and thieves in the minority are making everything look bad.
(58:28):
The vast majority of people are there simply saying no,
these deportation sweeps are wrong. It's a few bad apples.
And by the way, don't do your research on social
media where they're showing pictures of cop cars burned two
years ago and trying to say that's what's going on
in La. I'm here to tell you I was there.
(58:51):
You need to watch something other than that certain channel.
You need to read, not do your research on social media.
You may have heard of Google, you may have heard
of Siri, you may have heard of looking and making
(59:14):
up your own mind. You're entitled to your own opinion,
but we're not entitled to our own facts. You know.
God bless America, God bless every one of you out there.
We're going to be back next week with another sittilating topic,
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going to make your ears burn and your mind grow.
We may not change any minds, and my goal is
to let's see where we have common ground, brothers and sisters.
Angela Wilkerson, my thanks to you, my friend and my sister.
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You're one of the most beautiful women I know, and
that's beauty exciting about.
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Each week, I'm going to present a provocative invitation to you,
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There's going to be no shouting, there will be no
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in honor of Juneteenth, our subjecte is going to be
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reparations to descendants of slaves. What's your opinion about that?
Is that right? Is it wrong? Is it crazy? Is
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from the poet Langston Hughes. Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be. Let
it be the pioneer on the plane seeking a home
where he himself is free.
Speaker 9 (07:34):
America never was America to me.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed. Let it
be that great, strong land of love where never kings connive,
nor tyrant scheme, let any man be crushed by one above.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
It never was America to me.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
Oh, let my land be a land where liberty is
crowned with no false patriotic wreath. But opportunity is real
and life is free. Equality is in the air we breathe.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
There's never been a quality for me. Your freedom in
this homeland.
Speaker 8 (08:16):
Of the free, say Who are you that mumbles in
the dark, and you that draws your veil across the stars.
I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart. I
am the Negro beating slavery scars. I am the red
(08:37):
man driven from the land. I am the immigrant clutching
the hope I seek and finding only the same old
stupid plan of doggy dog of mighty crush the weak.
I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
tangled in that ancient endless chain of profit. Power day
(09:00):
or grabbed the land of grab the gold, or grab
the ways of satisfying needs of work, the men of
take the pay of owning everything for one's own greed.
I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil. I am
the workers sold to the machine. I am the negro.
(09:22):
Serve it to you all. I am the people, humble, hungry, mean, hungry.
Yet today despite the dream beaten. Yet today, oh pioneers,
I am the man who never got ahead, the poorest worker,
bartered through the years. Yet I'm the one who dreamt
(09:45):
our basic dream in the old world, while still a
set of kings, who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave,
so true, that even yet it's mighty daring sings in
every brick and stone, in every furrow turned that's made
America the land it has become. Oh, I'm the man
(10:08):
who sailed those early seas in search of what I've
been to be my home. For I'm the one who
left dark Ireland shores, and Poland's plane, and England's grassy lee,
and torn from Black Africa Strand, I came to build
a homeland of the free.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
The free who said the free, not me.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
Surely not me. The millions on relief today, the millions
shot down when we strike, The millions who have nothing
for our pay, for all the dreams we've dreamed, for
all the songs we've sung, and all the hopes we've held,
for all the flags we've hung, The millions who have
nothing on our pay except the dream that almost dead today. Oh,
(10:54):
let America be America again, the land that has never
been yet, and yes, must be the land where every
man is free, the land of the poor man's Indians.
Negroes me who met America, who's sweat and blood, who's
faith in pain, whose hand at the fandry, who's plowing
the rain, must bring back our mighty dream again. Sure
call me an ugly name. Is shoes is steal freedom,
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disustain for those who live like leeches on people's lives.
Who must take back our land again America. Oh yes,
I say it, plain. America is never America to me,
and yet I swear this. So America will be of
the rack and ruin of our gangster death, the rape
and rot of graft and stealth and lives. We the people,
must redeem this land of minds, the plants and rivers,
(11:34):
the mountains, the enders, plane of all the stretch of
those great states, and make America again.
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God.
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All right, all right, we're back America. Thank you very
much for tuning indies and gentlemen, Americans. I have a
special guest tonight. I've known a lot of Americans in
my life. I've known a lot of people from all
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around the world. But our guest tonight is one of
the few people I know who can actually trace her
ancestry to enslaved persons. It's a fascinating story about how
they came to California and I'm gonna let her tell
(14:04):
it tonight, ladies and gentlemen, I am so proud and
honored to have with me tonight Angela Wilkerson, a woman
who is so involved in our community and so involved
in the history of the city of San Bernardino. So welcome, Angela.
Speaker 9 (14:24):
Thank you Allan.
Speaker 8 (14:26):
Tell us a little bit about your ancestors, how they
came to San Bernardino and what happened to them.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
Well, as you know, I am one of the descendants
at the great great granddaughter of Israel. In eighteen fifty one.
They came with twenty six other slaves with the Mormons
from Utah. So Israebel was born in Virginia in eighteen
forty eight. Along with other twenty six slaves, they were
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brought to the state of California. Here on November twenty sixth,
eighteen twenty six, Jebedi Smith came down out of the
Rocky Hills into the broad Sambardino Valley. This historic first
expedition across the continent from Saint Louis, Missouri had finding
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succeeded in reaching Spanish territory in California. With this expedition
of fifteen men was Peter Rain, the first known black
man to enter California, or the Samaradin Valley as we
call it. The next several stories, as you may hear
(15:40):
from me, it's about how they came from the s
state of Utah and assumed that blacks did not enter
the valley between eighteen twenty six and eighteen fifty one.
There were some black traders for fur companies and men
who colonized. Surely would have visitor valley within those these days,
and that was Israebel. One of the more famous of
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the second group of pioneers to come into Samedi Valley
in eighteen seventy was Israebel, a former slave Israel Heaven,
freed by the Emancipation of Proclamation in eighteen sixty three.
He joined a Union army as a teamster and marched
to the sea with Sherman's Army in eighteen sixty five.
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His passage to California was paid by mine owners who
needed laborers. He later worked in Arizona and then came
to Sa Sambridean in eighteen seventy. While walking down the
street in sam Mardian one day, he was eyed by
rancher Myron H. Crafts. Myron H. Crafts saw something about
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Ville that attracted him, so he walked over to Israel
and he asked him if he wanted to work, to
which Ville promptly said yes. Then from that day on,
Krauss took Israel to his ranch, and for the next
fifty nine years Israebel lived and worked in the Redlands area.
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Israbel had the two story home in Redlands and his
property was the showcase of flats fire to nineteen hundred.
None of his pictures of his home were well known
today until recently. Records indicate that he lived well. In
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eighteen seventy four, four years after entering the area, Israebel
bought twenty acres on West Lagonia Avenue from doctor Bates,
from which whom he was then working, and built his
house on that property. Thirteen years later, in August eighteen
eighty seven, Israel has saved enough money to remodel his home.
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This was reported in the Redlands Cinigraph newspaper. He did,
had and did fix up his home beautifully. He was
he had built a great life for himself and his family.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
The Mormons kept slaves, yes.
Speaker 9 (18:14):
He did, and they brought them with them, and two
of the major slaves, uh were with Hannah who is
my third great grandmother, and also Betty Mason.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
Was it California a free state.
Speaker 9 (18:29):
And so many weres as people would say it was,
but it was still prone for.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
Slavery, ladies and gentlemen. I'm learning so much here, and
we're going to open the phone line here for you.
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take a little bit more information from Angela. So, Angela,
did the state of California not do anything about these
enslaved people? This was supposed to be admitted as a
free state, even though.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
It was a minute as a free state. I don't
think the California did much resolving of resolving of slavery,
so it was still practiced even though Caliviuna was deemed
a slave state and to other states.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
I'm amazed. I'm amazed. I had no idea that slavery
was here. Wow, what a situation. What a situation. Ladies
and gentlemen, what's your opinion? What's on your mind about slavery?
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Speaker 8 (22:34):
Dixie. Oh thank you King of rock and roll. Ladies
and gentlemen, what got this started? Why is this Juneteenth?
Because on this day, two years after the end of
the Civil War, the black slaves in Texas got the
word that they were free. And how did they get free?
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Let me read you the words A president you may
have heard of and admired Abraham Lincoln by the President
of the United States of America a proclamation. Whereas on
the twenty second day of September, in the year of
Our Lord one thousand, eight hundred and sixty two, a
proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing,
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among other things, the following two wit that on the
first day of January, in the year of Our Lord
one thousand, eight hundred and sixty three, all persons held
as slaves within any state or designated part of a state,
the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the
United States, shall be then thenceforward and for ever free.
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And the executive Government of the United States, including the
military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the
freedom of such persons, and will do no act or
acts to such persons or any of them, in any
efforts they may make for their actual freedom.
Speaker 9 (24:09):
That the Executive will, on the first day of January
a foresaid by proclamation, designate the states and parts of states,
if any, and which the people therefore respectively shall then
be in rebellion against the United States. And the fact
that any state or the people thereof shall on that
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day be in good faith represented in the Congress of
the United States by members chosen there too, at elections
wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such states
shall have participated, shall in the absence of strong countervailing testimony,
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be deemed conclusive evidence that such state and the people
there are not in rebellion against the United States.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Now, Therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States,
by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander
in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States,
in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and
government of the United States, and as a fit and
necessary war measure for suppressing set of rebellion, do, on
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this first day of January, in the year of our
Lord one thy eight hundred and sixty three, and, in
accordance with my purpose to do so, publicly proclaim, for
the full period of one hundred days from the day
first mentioned, order and designate as the states and parts
of states wherein the people thereof, respectively, are this day
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in rebellion against the United States, the following to.
Speaker 9 (25:53):
Wit, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, except that Paris is of Saint
Bernard Jefferson, Saint John, Saint Charles, Saint James, Assisian Assumption,
Saint Mary, Saint Martin, Orleans, including the city of New Orleans, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia,
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South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia except the forty eight
counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkeley,
Elizabeth City, New York, Princess Anne, and Northwark, including the
cities of Northwark, and which accept parts are the President
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left precisely as if this proclamations were not issued.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
And by virtue of the power and for the purpose aforesaid,
I do order and declare that all persons held as
slaves within said designated States and parts of States, and henceforward,
shall be free, and that the Executive Government of the
United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will
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recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
And I hereby enjoying upon the people so declare to
be free, to have stained from all violence, unless in
necessary self defense. And I recommend to them that, in
all cases, when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
And upon this acts sincerely believed to be an act
of justice warned by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I
invoked the considerable judgement of mankind and the gracious favor
of Almighty God.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
A witness whereof I have here unto set my hand,
and caused of the United States to be a fixed
done at the City of Washington, this first day of January,
in the year of our Lord one thousand, eight hundred
and sixty three, and of the Independence of the United
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States of America the eighty seventh, by the President Abraham
Lincoln William H. Sewart, Secretary of State.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
That's why we have Juneteenth, because two years after this proclamation,
the North and the South ended the combat, and the
slaves in Texas on June nineteenth, eighteen sixty five, learned
that they had been free for two years, and they celebrated.
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They had been slaves for four hundred years in this
country since sixteen one. Black men and women had worn chains,
had been sold on auction block, have been separated from
their children because they were nothing but a commodity. So
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what has this got to do with California. Why do
we have an idea that maybe there ought to be
some reparations here. Well, let me tell you before everybody
out there gets their undies in a bunch. There is
no current reparation plan in California. There's no bill that's
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going to become a law. There's only an extensive report
that you can find on the website of the Secretary
of State of California by a Committee on Reparations, a
committee of our legislators that was appointed to make a report.
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It runs for hundreds of pages. The executive summary alone
is seventy six pages. Have I read it? No, Have
you go and read it, Educate yourselves, find out what's
being recommended. There's no bill or law currently at all.
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So don't feel like right now tomorrow somebody's going to
get something that you don't have, something more than you,
or that you're not getting yours, because that is simply
not the case. California as a free state was a misconception.
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There was the constitution prohibited slavery. It didn't prevent individuals
from bringing enslaved people into the state. It wasn't like
England had a rule if a slave to as English soil,
he or she is free. Now the gold Rush and
enslaved labor, that's a little something to do with me,
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my ancestors came from Ireland, and not willingly. We were
refugees from a genocide. There were three million Irish before
the so called Potato famine that was imposed on us
by the Brits. And I'm not bitter to my brit
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cousins whatsoever. But of those three million, one million emigrated,
one million starved to death, and one million stayed. God
bless Ireland. We never want to go back. We came
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over here and we worked as hard in those minds
as the slaves. My family used to say, John Sutter
got the gold mine, we got the shaft. There was
limited enforcement of antislavery laws here. State and local officials
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were unwilling to actively challenge slaveholders bringing in slave people.
I mean, why, you know, why stir the pot? Nobody
required you to. So sometimes they upheld the fugitive slave
laws and return black people to their owners. That was
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the people of the time. You know, I'm not condemning
these white people. They were products of their times, just
like we are today. We can't escape our environment, we
can't escape our neighbors. So don't condemn the person, condemn
the thought and the conduct, and vow to do differently.
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The legacy of slavery, even as a free state, continues
to be the subject of debate and discussion, particularly in
the context of reparations for the descendants of the slaves.
And when California entered the Union as a free state
in eighteen fifty, there was a history of slavery in
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the gold Rush. And these are the things that we're
trying to rectify now. The state of California has already
formally apologized for slavery. And if you think this idea
of reparations is only for people who can trace their
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descent to slaves, you wrong. They're not the only people
who have thought about reparations. In fact, many people have
gotten it in yours. In my lifetime, we've paid reparations
to several groups Japanese Americans in turned during World War Two.
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You know, right after Pearl Harbor, there was a big
panic here. Governor Earl Warren, the great liberal on the
Supreme Court. Many years later, lock them up, put them
in camps, men, women and children. Oh they're dangerous, those Japanese.
So they were torn from their businesses, put in man's
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in our other camps like that where it's cold, and
cabins forbidden's take anything more than they could carry. That's
what happened. They were victims of the war. And you
know what, some of the greatest heroes in World War
two were Japanese. And I'm talking about Senator in a
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Way of Hawaii. You go online and you look up
his Medal of Honor. You take a look at the
picture of him with one arm and if you can
read his commendation how he got the Medal of Honor
in World War II without crying, I'm buying you a beer. Brother.
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Who else has gotten reparations? Native American tribes their land
taken from them, treaty's broken. You know how an Indian
celebrates Halloween trick or treaty In the past, the government
has also compensated slave owners for the lost value in
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the emancipation of their slaves. You know what, sauce for
the goose? Is sauce for the gander? Or is it?
Should it be? Could it be? What's your opinion? Give
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us a call it nine o nine three eight three
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Don't be shy out there, call in nine oh nine
three eight three nine thousand. I don't bite Angela, doesn't bite.
Let us hear what you do, what's on your mind.
Just do it in a civil and rational way and
we'll have a discussion. I don't care what your opinion is,
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express it. This is real free speech. This is talk
between people, and that's what we want to do here, Angela,
while we've got a couple of minutes, what's been the
consequences and I'm throwing her a curveball here that we're
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having been to consequences to your family of slavery? What
happened to the first generation that these freed people happened? Oh?
How did you bring yourself up by your bootstraps?
Speaker 9 (37:18):
Well, we didn't have much choice. It was either survived
or not survive. My third grade grandmother, which was Hannah
Amber Smith Smiley, she was slaved, enslaved by Robert Smith,
and she was owned. They were sold. She was sold
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with three of her children by Robert Smith to other
enslavers for I found out for about five hundred dollars.
So we didn't have a choice. You were put out
in the fields.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
Five hundred bucks was serious. That's like ten thirty fifty
thousand dollars that day.
Speaker 9 (37:57):
Yeah, we did what we had to do to survive,
but we didn't have a choice. We were forced into it.
From what I understand, I think people will have a
better understanding of how West of Slavery started. My dear
good friend, doctor Kevin Waite, who is a professor at
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the University of Durham in London, wrote the book which
can be bought West of Slavery, The Southern Dream of
a Transcontinental Empire, and so people would definitely have an
understanding of that. So they can actually do that and
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order that book on Amazon. The second part second book
would be by historian Amy Tanner Thera that wrote the
book Slavery and Zion.
Speaker 8 (38:51):
That's another one, Zion referring to the Church.
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Of Latter Day Seams exactly.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
Yes, I don't want to get off on that subject
in their their history with black people. So the descendants
of these slaves now are populated San Bernardino and Redlands
and Redlands not a bad area for you. That's going
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to be a step up.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
I'm very very proud of Redlands.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
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Speaker 8 (41:26):
Hey, bite it, bite it? Or did you see the Dodgers.
It didn't have to be World Series plastic trophy replica night.
They took it right down to the ninth. I'll tell you,
by the way, some interesting things going on down to
Dodger Stadium. Uh, yesterday, Uh, some unidentified agents. It just said, uh,
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some three letters were waiting right outside Dodgers Stadium parking
area when they were spotted. Yeah, you know there's a
there's a lot of immigrants. They might arrest up there.
There's uh uh oh tani. Yeah, you know, Uh, they
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might pick up Kiki Hernandez Andy Payes. You know, Andy,
don't let that batting average go down. Who were they
there for? You know, I think there's there's you gotta
be five six players there that are here on green
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card visas. I don't think they were after them, don't
I don't know who they thought they were after. Were
they after the hot dog vendors? I don't know the
guy that sold me the Dodger dog and the and
Nicola could have been him. He had a little a
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little bit of brown skin. Oh will your sick? I
know who it was. It was the It was the
American kid, Mexican American kid from l A who was
walking out of there when some white man gave him
a lotus static and it was all the kid could
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do was to walk away. Said, I'm not going to
I'm not going to jail tonight. I got a family
at home. Why can't we all just get along? Why
can't we all just want take along? Oh yeah, oh yeah?
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Uh you know, where's the America that we wear a
few years ago? You take the immigrants out of here.
My pool's going green. My yard's going to be overgrown,
even though it's environmentally friendly. You think you think I
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do my own housekeeping. I like these people. They don't
just work for me. They work with me, and I
work with them. I've known them for years. You go
and deport my gardener. I'm going to be an angry man,
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and my grandkids are not gonna like it when that
pool goes green. Come on, people who here doesn't eat tacos?
Who here doesn't love a burrito? Who here doesn't love
to go to Alvara's street. Eat, where are we America?
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What's going on? What's going on? You know, it starts out,
in my opinion, in my humble opinion, to be a
mod talk like the internet. It starts with preaching.
Speaker 13 (45:32):
Fear.
Speaker 8 (45:34):
Oh they taking your jobs. Oh they're rapists. Oh they're murderers.
I don't think the woman who cleans my pool has
raped or murdered anybody, nor would she maybe in self defense.
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You know who else pointed out that it was the other.
It was responsible for all your problems. Why you couldn't
get a job, why you didn't have any money, why
inflation was there? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was them Jews.
It was them Jews and them gypsies and them queers.
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Let's put them all in camps. Yeah, let's give them
a nice train ride out to Ashwitz and Dahow. Let's
separate them into two lines, to take the little children
in the week and the poor and put them right
in a guess of And let's make the men slave
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with no food until they die, and then let's put
them in the oven. Six million Jews. What did it solve?
You know, just as much as slavery is the original
sin of America because it was in our constitution that
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little painter from Austria over there played the same game
as somebody else I know of in this country. Oh,
the reason you're suffering all the base of all your
problems is them Mexicans, them Venezuelans, them costa Ricans, them
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guys standing outside of home. Deep bot, I'll tell you what,
go ahead and to port them. Who's going to pick
your crops?
Speaker 1 (47:45):
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Speaker 8 (47:45):
Do you see the price of tomatoes go through the
ceiling as the picking comes. Any of you ever tried
to go into the fields and pick. I did when
I was sixteen years old. My buddy and I hiked
up to Weed, California. We found a labor broker up there.
We told him we were there to pick crops. He says,
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you won't last ten seconds. You won't get through the day.
Now you're gonna be swamping and dry, swamping onions and
driving the trucks. And you know what, I was so
naive and stupid. I must have thought there was a
del Taco or a Jack in the box in the
middle of the field. Because I went out there in
the morning with no water, no food. You think that
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labor broker took care of me, gave me some shade,
who brought me a burrito, who brought me water, who
brought me a proper hat, who taught me to wear
long sleeves on a hot day, you know who, and
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from then on, and that was a gift. It's free
for nothing. They could have sat there and laughed at us,
and I'm sure they did, but they also had mercy
in their hearts. They came, they took care of us,
and we arranged from then on for them to bring
us our meals out there and to take care of us.
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And I learned a lot more than just out of
swamp onions, ladies and gentlemen. I learned about humanity has
nothing to do with the color of your skin or
the place you were lucky or unfortunate enough to be born.
Let's make America be America again. Please. I'm adamant about this.
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I am so dying to get back to all of
us getting together, and I'm kno going to back down
on that. I will never back down.
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Some fuck them out, made away, the plan that red
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Oh sagod, John berger Man, you know we that war
in Vietnam without a bit of violence. Well, you know
there there were scattered incidents. You got to admit the
SDS and the weathermen went a little bit overboard, but
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by and large, you know, a million people in the street,
millions in the New mobe and marched and the war
nineteen sixty eight in New York, marching through Central Park
in San Francisco.
Speaker 8 (52:33):
Man, I was there with the crowd. I'm proud to
say we marched into Golden Gate Park and there were speeches.
I mean, you know, we heard from the Black Panthers,
we heard from Joan Bias, I heard from j Silverheels.
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I'm dating myself. You don't remember Jay Silvia Heels, but
if you remember the lone ranger Tonto Tonto. I went
up to him and said, mister silver Heels, I'll admarry
you all my life. He says, thank you very much.
Who was that mass man? Anyway? You know the way
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this country continues to treat its Native Americans. I don't
want to get too far off subject here, but Leonard
Peltier is on the res up there a Turtle Mountain.
You may not remember the name Leonard Peltier, but I
bet you you remember Wounded Knee. I bet you remember Alcatraz.
(53:49):
Of course, Alcatra is going to be reopened.
Speaker 13 (53:52):
There's a prison.
Speaker 8 (53:53):
Now, that'll be the day that thing's in such disrepair
they would have to tear it down to use it
as a prison again. And besides which in the old
days it wasn't escapable. Today it is anyway, let's not
get off on that. But there's so mistreatment in this country.
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Unless you've been on the receiving side, you really don't
understand it. I mean, you can all tell I'm a
white boy, I'm an old white man. Nobody's ever discriminated
against me for my race. In fact, it's an advantage,
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you know. I'm first in line when it comes to
job selections. So was my kid. My kid graduated from
cal Poly Pomona with an engineering degree. Almost probably fifty
percent of his class were Asians and other races. He
had three job interviews, I'm bragging now, and three offers.
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Was that just because he had the English skills? Was
that just because his mom worked for the years for
the engineering firm that he first went to work for.
A congratulations son, if you're out there by the way,
he's a fine man, a good engineer and a good
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human being. But the point is we get the advantage
because of the color of our skin. Nobody calls me
the W word. I'm telling you, I went to jam
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last night with it largely a group of black musicians
and the best young guitar player I ever heard, Lefty.
And you know, in jazz or in music, there's no
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racial disharmony with jazz is the original American music. And
that's a blend of African and white. And who picked
up jazz? You listen to Rhapsody in Blue by George Gershwin.
(56:33):
That's jazz taken to a symphonic level, one of the
finest pieces, by the way. George Gershwin a Jew, George
and Ira Gershwin. Don't be afraid. Nobody's taken our jobs.
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They're picking our crops and we're deporting them. All you
will be will be DEPORTI check that old tune by
Woody Guthrie, plain wreck over Los Gatos. They didn't even
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know their names, and all they will be will be
DEPORTI it didn't work back in the fifties. We need
comprehensive immigration reform. We need to deal with one another,
black and white, not just June teenth, but every teenth.
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My friends, my brothers, my sisters, my fellow Americans, this
fine common ground again, what is this fight about. I'm
not here to do violence. Neither are you. I said
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I will give my life and fight for my country,
but I will not harm another American in defense of
this country. That's uncalled for. And these violent little anarchists
and thieves in the minority are making everything look bad.
(58:28):
The vast majority of people are there simply saying no,
these deportation sweeps are wrong. It's a few bad apples.
And by the way, don't do your research on social
media where they're showing pictures of cop cars burned two
years ago and trying to say that's what's going on
in La. I'm here to tell you I was there.
(58:51):
You need to watch something other than that certain channel.
You need to read, not do your research on social media.
You may have heard of Google, you may have heard
of Siri, you may have heard of looking and making
(59:14):
up your own mind. You're entitled to your own opinion,
but we're not entitled to our own facts. You know.
God bless America, God bless every one of you out there.
We're going to be back next week with another sittilating topic,
(59:35):
going to make your ears burn and your mind grow.
We may not change any minds, and my goal is
to let's see where we have common ground, brothers and sisters.
Angela Wilkerson, my thanks to you, my friend and my sister.
(59:55):
You're one of the most beautiful women I know, and
that's beauty exciting about.
Speaker 9 (01:00:01):
Thank you so much, Ye, thank you, I
Speaker 8 (01:00:07):
Thank you saving me
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