The Relational Podcast

The Relational Podcast

Because behind every system, movement, and meaningful change… lies a relationship. What if the most transformative tool at our disposal isn’t a strategy, a policy, or new technology—but a conversation? Welcome to The Relational Podcast, a series of authentic dialogues exploring how our connections—human to human, human to planet—shape the way we think, work, and create impact. Each episode is a living experiment in reciprocity and deep listening. Members of the Wasan community step into two powerful roles: interviewer and interviewee. Together, we explore personal stories, deep insights, and practical experiences of how relationality can reshape systems and unlock new possibilities for collective transformation. 🎧 Tune in and discover: Stories of meaningful change from facilitators, researchers, and community builders. Insights into the invisible forces of connection and trust that sustain change. Real conversations that invite us to slow down, reflect, and reconnect—with ourselves, with each other, and with the systems we seek to shift. This podcast is more than conversations—it’s an invitation to listen deeply and discover the profound impact of relationships. Because when we transform our relationships, we transform our world. Content by members of the Wasan community: David Jay · Jane Wei · Sonja Betschart · Christine Lai · Ese Emerhi · Lily James Olds · Ana Amrein Esnaola · Catherine Dempsey · Melanie Kahl · Georgie Nightingall · Sumitra Pasupathy · Fabian Pfortmüller · Meg Busse · Avani Parekh · Rachel Sinha Production by Efecto Colibrí: Efecto Colibrí blends storytelling, social innovation, and the power of relationships to produce and distribute original and partner podcasts that bridge communities and sectors, shift mindsets, and spark action toward a more just, diverse, and regenerative future. https://efectocolibri.com/en/

Episodes

August 17, 2025 28 mins
In this episode of the Relational Podcast, host Georgie Nightingall engages in a profound conversation with Sumitra Pasupathy, of KAI Advisory and partner at Philanthropy Dialogues about the transformative power of relationships in addressing global crises. 

Sumitra shares her rich family heritage, her journey from being an engineer to a social innovator, and her work with resource and wealth holders. She highlights the importance o...
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In this episode of The Relational Podcast, host Sumitra Pasupathy, of Karuna Advisory Impact (KAI) and partner at Philanthropy Dialogues speaks to Fabian Pfortmüller to explore the transformative power of genuine human connections and relationships. Fabian Pfortmüller, is partner at Together Institute, an organization that works with purpose-driven communities, networks and their leaders to help them thrive. Fabian is co-creator of...
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In this episode of The Relational Podcast, Fabian Pfortmüller and Meg Busse explore the power of relationships in social change, the unique design of the Roddenberry Fellowship, and practical ways to foster connection and abundance in communities. Meg shares personal stories, challenges, and insights from leading a fellow-driven network, and both hosts reflect on the value of slowing down and deep listening in a fast-paced world.

Ke...
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In this heart-opening episode of The Relational Podcast, Avani Parekh from Catalyst Now sits down  with Rachel Sinha, systems thinker, community convenor and co-founder of The System Sanctuary, to explore how relationships, rather than reports or rigid strategies, spark true transformation in systems change work.

Rachel shares stories from her journey—growing up in the English countryside, moving across continents, and initiating un...
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In this episode of The Relational Podcast, host Rachel Sinha talks with Christine Lai and explores what happens when you treat relationships not as a side note, but as the core strategy.

Christine shares the unexpected advice that’s guided her journey recently: to have one close friend in every generation. She talks about lessons learned on building the field of entrepreneurial ecosystems at the Kauffman Foundation and offers an hon...
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In this episode of the Relationality Podcast, host Sonja Betschart converses with Ese Emerhi, the Global Network Weaver for the Global Fund for Community Foundations, about the importance of relational networking and community-driven approaches in development. Ese shares personal anecdotes about the challenges of adjusting to a new work environment in Nigeria, emphasizing the significance of gratitude and community over financial r...
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In this episode of The Relational Podcast, host Jane Wei-Skillern explores with her special guest, Sonja Betschart, co-founder and co-pilot of We Robotics, how authentic relationships can be more powerful than any strategy or technology in driving meaningful change.Through an honest and insightful conversation, Sonja shares her fascinating journey from constant action to a leadership style grounded in deep and intentional relations...
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What if the greatest lever for impact isn’t found in strategies or institutions, but in the quality of our relationships? In this inaugural episode of The Relational Podcast, David Jay talks with renowned network leadership expert Jane Wei-Skillern about how shifting our mindset from organizational control to relational trust can unlock transformative change. 

Drawing from decades of research at Harvard, Stanford, and UC Berkeley, J...
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