April 3, 2025 • 51 mins
In this captivating episode of The Reluctant Medium Podcast, host Dr. Maria Rothenburger is joined by Brandy Anderson, who shares her extraordinary journey from a skeptic with a Christian background to a Jungian coach and spiritual director. Brandy recounts her personal spiritual awakening, the unexpected communication with her deceased grandmother through a Roku TV, and the profound conversations that ensued. Diving deep into philosophical and theological questions, Brandy offers insights into the nature of the afterlife, reincarnation, and the existence of malevolent entities, among other spiritual topics. This episode provides a thought-provoking look into the interconnectedness of life, death, and the spiritual realms.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, we see it coming. It's not a sudden,
you know, traumatic like hit by a bus kind of thing.
But if we are, you know, gradually coming to the
end of our lives, the veil between the spiritual and
the physical becomes thin. And this is why people on
their deathbeds off and report to having seen loved ones
who have already crossed, people who aren't actually physically in
the room.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome to the Reluctant Medium, where we cover the gamut
of out there conversations with an open mind and a
curious heart. We want to talk about it all, from
psychic phenomenon energy medicine, to beings from other star systems
and out of body experiences. You'll find a great balance
between grounded, science backed topics and others that science hasn't
(00:41):
quite caught up to yet. I'm your host, doctor Maria Rothenberger,
a psychotherapist by trade and a reluctant spirit baby communicator.
And hey, even though I'm a medium, I'm not buying
everything folks are selling. I just have a voracious appetite
to know more about what I call the world of
the weird.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Join us on.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
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Reluctant Medium.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I'll see you there.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Hey there, Welcome everyone to the Reluctant Medium podcast. I'm
doctor Maria Rothenberger, your host for the podcast, and whoa,
you got a major treat coming up today, because I
don't know anybody else who can resonate as much with
the whole reluctancy of this stuff than what I've seen
of this. Of today's guest, I've got Brandy Anderson here today. Brandy, welcome,
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than welcome, welcome, Thank you so much for being.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Here, Thank you for having me. It's great to be
here with you today.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You've got an incredible story to tell. I saw you
on the Skeptic Metaphysicians podcast, which, folks, if you haven't
seen or listened to that podcast, please go listen to
this after this episode though after this one. I heard
you on that and I was in the middle of
the episode going Okay, where do I how do I
contact her? Please? So we're going to get into why
(02:07):
the why of all that, But I first would love
to know, or my audience would love to know, like
who are you, what do you do for a living,
and how did you come to write a book, which
we're going to be talking about in a moment, but
first we'd love a little bit ground on you.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, my name is Brandy Anderson, and I was raised
in a Christian context, although we weren't really through my
teen years, we really weren't plugged into the church, so
not like super religious or spiritual in that regards. And
for most of my life, you know, up and up
until the point of my spiritual awakening, which I share
in that book I had, I was really involved in
(02:43):
the Old English bulldog community. I raised and showed Old
English bulldog So I'm just I'm an animal lover and
I just love spending my days with puppies and dogs.
So it was kind of the perfect thing for me
at the time. And then I had a spiritual awakening,
and it's blew my life apart. I mean, I continued
to be dedicated to my dogs, of course, but spiritually
(03:06):
things just really shifted, and so that brought me into
a place where I began seeking ultimate truth. That awakening
encounter was kind of a pivotal moment in that I
felt like God had spoken to me in that moment,
but I didn't have a context for what had happened
to me, So I spent years just plugged into some
churches trying to make sense of what had happened to me,
(03:29):
and ultimately I found mainstream Christian answers to life's most
important questions just less than satisfying. And so I came
to a place where I was in a more mystical
Christian space, like contemplative Christianity. And in that space, as
I was just sort of finally getting my bearings, I
finally felt like, Hi, you know, this is it. I
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feel like I knew what had happened to me, or
I had a context for it, and I felt like
as much as I could know truth, I had like
a grasp on it. At that point, There's a lot
of mystery, but I was able to just embrace the mystery.
And then while I'm in that space feeling like I
have had a handle all my life again, my grandmother died,
and after she crossed, she found a way to communicate
(04:12):
with us. She pushed her way back into time and space,
reached out, typed explicit messages on electronic devices, the television
first and foremost, and up ended my life once again.
That was not something I had anticipated, not something that
I would have tried to cultivate or tap into. And
so yeah, that kind of led me to the point
(04:34):
of writing the book through the Veil, a glimpse into
the afterlife, where I share what I learned through my conversations,
very philosophical, theological type conversations with my grandmother on the
other side. And so now I do not raise and
show bulldogs anymore. I'm still a dog person and I
will always have dogs, probably bulldogs, you know, you know, always,
(04:55):
but now I am a Yungian coach and a spiritual
So throughout that journey after my spiritual awakening, I studied
and became a certified union coach and a spiritual director.
So that's kind of what I do now.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Oh you're speaking my language with young I love him.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, got me too, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
He was pivotal in my journey as I was trying
to do my own inner work and trying to come
into alignment and just really press into, you know, how
do you cultivate that piece, that inner piece. And so
because of that, I plugged in and started just studying
through that platform. And truly it was just from my
own benefit at the time. I really didn't have intentions
of meeting with anyone like coaching anyone else or being
(05:38):
anyone else's spiritual director. But I do. I do offer
that to people, but I keep it limited. I don't
want to overwhelm myself with it. But yeah, it's that's
what I do.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And by the way, that's probably the best way to
go into an eventual coaching situation, is that you're really
just a seeker in yourself, right right, Yeah, and then
you just know maybe ten percent more than the other person,
but we're all.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Seeking, right right, Yes, absolutely, Yes, the.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
More I learned, the less I know. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Oh, amen to that.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
My gosh, jeez.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, can you speak to the first sort of shake
up that you had the spiritual awakening you mentioned?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Sure, I was in a season of depression, just like
a spirit of heaviness had descended upon me, and it
would not relent. And I was never given to depression
like clinical depression. So it was a new development. And
I see now that it was not clinical depression. It
was existential depression, to be sure. But as I navigated
that space, I just you know, it's just so heavy,
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and it didn't relent, and I kept in my mind
I kept thinking, well, this will pass, you know, we
have ups and downs, things recyclical, seasonal, it'll pass. But
it didn't shift, and it just it remained. And so
one morning I woke up and under a cloud of
just palpable heaviness. I remember thinking I just can't take
this anymore. And so I was so frustrated that that
I cried out to God. And it was not a
(07:05):
pious prayer by any means. It was provocative, really, and
I was just unleashing my frustrations into the atmosphere, just
hoping that something would shift. And so it was more
of an if you are there kind of prayer. And
in the midst of all of those emotions and all
of that just inner turmoil, I heard of voice as
loud and clear as anything I have ever heard in
(07:26):
the voice just said be still. An immediate instant peace
washed over me, and I just felt just peace, indescribable peace,
and I remember thinking, this is God, you know, I
feel like this is God. But I don't have a
context for this. I don't understand what has just happened
to me. And though I was raised in a Christian family,
like I said, I was not practicing any form of
(07:48):
religion at that point in my life. So I just
didn't have a theological container for what happened. And so
that's what sent me on my journey of seeking out
ultimate truth. And I plugged in immediately into a Christian
context just because that's the faith of my family. You
know that that was just what I knew to do
in that moment. Since then, I have determined that labels
(08:08):
are largely unhelpful, and I've had a lot of you know,
help from Eastern traditions since then. So truth transcends all
of these transit all of these traditions. But that's kind
of the doorway that I entered through.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Right, And that's actually where a lot of people go,
right if they're into that's what you know, that's where.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
They live to they turned to for answers like that.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So, because I'm a reluctant medium and a sciencey brain
person to begin with, I'm curious about this voice that
you heard. Was that like like someone outside of.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You was speaking to you.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Was it in your mind or how.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It was internal? To be sure it was internal, but
it was so loud that it shook me, like it
really just I mean silenced me. I was just it
threw me back. I was stunned by it. And what's
funny is the voice said be still, and it was
just I mean, it was crystal clear and that is
a verse, be still and know that I am God.
(09:03):
But in that moment, I didn't know it was a
Bible verse. So yeah, So in time, as I began,
you know, tapping into the church and you know, like
pouring over scripture and just studying things out, as I
became aware that was a verse, I kind of, you know,
one of those little you know, synchronicities. It's like, isn't
that interesting? You know that it was a verse and
I didn't even know it. But yeah, so it was
(09:25):
an internal voice, to be sure.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And it seems like there was more to it than that, right,
because let's say, right, you're crying out, Like if you
are there and you hear this voice saying be still,
it would seem that you would be like, what the
frig does that mean? But instead you felt there.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Was a Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So yeah, and I think looking back on it, it
what I would say now, the way that I would
articulate it is that it pulled me out of that
conditioned mind. You know that, Yeah, that rational mind. Where
I was, you know, where I was just you know,
expressing all of my my irritations, my frustrations just in
my head. And when you know, so when I heard
(10:10):
that voice, it pulled me out of thought and it
brought me right into the present moment. And that is
where peace is, that's where God is, that's where life is.
And so it was just experiencing the eternal now in
that moment. That's what happened to me.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Oh wow, And did that last or did the two
all come back? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It lasted for weeks. Weeks after that. I felt just
a significant peace. But then you know, it gradually dissipated
because as we live our lives and go, you know,
get lost in thought and you know the effects of
it just kind of dissipated. But yeah, but it did.
It lasted for weeks after that.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Wow, and the depression just gone.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Oh yeah, it lifted immediately, it was gone, Holy moly.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Okay, So now you're plugging along, your depressions lifted, it
starting your like real life is happening, right, You're doing
your studies, like looking into things. How long before the
spiritual weakening and Grandma having crossed over.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
The spiritual awakening was in twenty fourteen, and my grandmother
crossed in twenty twenty one. Okay, so it was a
significant time gap. I spent a lot of years really
studying like theological philosophical matters, reading volumes, really pressing in.
I was, you know, one hundred percent dedicated to minding
out truth where whatever truth might be. And see, that's
(11:27):
the thing for me, It was pretty simple. I just
wanted truth at all costs, even if it blows my
life apart. And so I think I even prayed that
prayer and so yes, Lord help me, you know, brace
yourself if you pray that prayer. No, but I just,
you know, what I wanted was that piece that I
experienced in that awakening. It was so glorious, and I
(11:48):
was like, if I could just you know, maintain that somehow,
if I could just get back, I feel like that's God.
And so if I can somehow iligned myself in the
right way and just cultivate that inner piece, and you know, ultimately,
like I said, all of that theology that I found
in churches was really fear based, and so it was
the antithesis of that piece that I had experienced in
my awakening, and so it brought me away from that,
(12:10):
but I wouldn't say away from Christianity. I feel like
my faith is deepened, my experience of God is more
real now, you know, than before, but definitely out of
the mainstream evangelical type of you know, like church. I
guess you could say yes.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Also, it seems like maybe a combination.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Of things like Eastern traditions, he said, are useful too.
M Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Did grandma know about your degree?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
No, like about the spiritual awakening you mean, yeah, yeah, No,
I don't think. I mean, she probably noticed that I
was suddenly going to church, you know, and things like that,
but like I didn't share that I had this, you know,
this experience or the journey that I was on, and
she probably didn't know how deeply I was really studying
these matters. She was a person of faith. She was
(12:59):
plugged into a methodis church, and she spent her entire
life like Sunday school, the Bible studies, doing all of
the things that people do in church. So she was
really connected in that way. But when she came to
the end of her physical life at the age of
ninety five, so she had lived a really healthy and long,
you know, full life. But as she came to the
end of that physical life, she was afraid to die,
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and she expressed those fears to family members, and so
in her passing, at the time that she crossed, she
was really putting up resistance. And because she resisted, Well,
let me back up and say this, when we come
to the end of our as we gradually come to
the end of our physical lives, like if it's one
of those things where we're you know, we see it coming,
it's not a sudden, you know, traumatic like hit by
(13:42):
a bus kind of thing. But if we are you know,
gradually coming to the end of our lives, the veil
between the spiritual and the physical becomes thin. And this
is why people on their deathbeds often report to having
seen loved ones who have already crossed, people who aren't
actually physically in the room, and so that veil, it
is already thin at the time of death. Someone when
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they die, they slipped, the spirit just slips right through it.
It becomes an opening. So the veil that's already thin
opens up and the spirit slips right through. And it's
usually an instantaneous phenomenon. And this opening is called a portal.
And so my grandmother, as she was crossing over to
the other side, she was putting up a lot of resistance,
and in her resisting, she she created a portal which
(14:27):
was just a it left an opening where it allowed
her to have access to the physical realm in ways
that she would not have had access had she not
resisted and left that portal open. And because she had
this open portal, it allowed her to be able to
manipulate the physical realm. The television thing, that's what that's
the first way that she communicated was using a Roku
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smart TV. Okay, and she can.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Use let's just back up, yeah, wow, okay. So I
just want to ask the learning of the portal thing?
Did you learn that from her? Are you we already
knew this?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yes, okay, No, I didn't know that. So that's something
that she communicated to me when I asked after the fact. Now,
in the moment, we didn't know. I mean, our grandmother
crossed and it was probably a month or so you
know that went by before any activity, okay, And so
we had no idea that we knew that. On her deathbed,
she had communicated seeing people in the room who weren't there, okay,
(15:23):
and so we were aware that she was doing that.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay, So now the root then.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So yeah, no, go ahead, So now this is so phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So the Roku TV is in the home where she passed. Yeah, okay, great, Yeah,
so paint that picture.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So it was maybe a month to two months after
she crossed. My family who live in the house. I
don't live there. They were just hanging out in the
living room where this television is, where it was the
room that my grandmother died in, and the television was
off and the remote was sitting like on the coffee
table where everyone could see it, like in plain view.
(16:02):
But the television popped on by itself, navigated to the
search and the word hello appeared in the search bar,
and my family ran out of the house, streaking in fright.
They were horrified, and they called me. I was shopping
in Costco that day. I'll never forget the call, and
they had me they on speaker because all three of
(16:23):
them were talking over one another crying. They were in
I mean, my aunt was in tears. She was really horrified,
and they were begging me to come help because they
were afraid. And I'm like I cam like I was
over an hour away. You know, I was doing my
own things so I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But anyway, did they know that you were into spiritual things?
Like why did they call you?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, well that they know that I'm into spiritual things.
But also I'm kind of their go to person, one
of the people who live in the house. I am.
I'm just her person, and she's my person, so you know,
if anything happens, she calls me. So anyway, so they
as soon as they were afraid, the television shot off though,
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and then they went back in the house. I think
they probably saged and prayed and did whatever they thought
they could do to train in case it was something bad.
They were freaked out by it, and nothing else happened
for a couple of days, and then again the television
popped on by itself, navigated to search, and this time
the word love came into the search bar, but they
weren't having it. They ran out again, just horrified, just
(17:29):
freaking out, and finally I told them, well we should
probably this is I mean, it continued to happen, this persisted,
and I said, finally we should look into this. We
should engage with whoever it is, determine what's going on,
see what we can do to make this stop, because
it's affecting their quality of life. My aunt actually moved out.
She became so frightened that she moved in with her
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son for a time. And so my thought was that
this is probably a hacker. Someone in the physical realm
is playing a distasteful But we had checked parameters, the cameras,
there were no devices hooked to that television like Alexa
or anything like that, and we couldn't in our estimation,
we couldn't determine any cause physical cause for it. But
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that didn't mean that it wasn't something that we were missing,
something that we were overlooking. And the television has to
be hooked to the Internet in order to go to
that search bar. So we were like, it could be it
could definitely be someone hacking in and so I suggested
less sit less, engage with whoever it is and get
to the bottom of it. And as we did that
tentatively because we were a little weirded out by what
(18:35):
was happening, But as we began to communicate with whoever
it was, we quickly saw that it could not be
a person in the physical realm at all, because whoever
it was knew our thoughts in real time, and they
knew deeply personal things that we had never shared with
another soul. So it rocked us when we realized and
when I picked up on, Hey, this, whoever, this is
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reading our thoughts because I knew what I was thinking
and I knew what they you know, what they were typing. Now,
I said, I was like, are you reading our thoughts?
And she said yes. I was like, whoa. So then
I started to kind of test it, you know, like
think something in my mind and boom the response would
be issued promptly. And I was I mean, I was
rocked to my core, you know. I was like, this
is definitely spiritual. But is it Granny? That was the
(19:17):
next next question. But as we engaged and asked questions
and allowed her to communicate, we began to see that
it was Granny. Because of her deep devotion and love
for family. She stayed because she could see destructive patterns
in people's lives. She could see mental health issues that
needed speaking into. She apologized for some past hurts. She
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literally saved lives by what she said and the healing
and the reconciliation that she brought to certain family members.
So my spiritual journey and my nerdy theological and philosophical questions.
I mean, that's a huge gift to me, and I'm
so thankful that she answered me and that she talks
to me about this stuff. That's not why she stayed
at all. It was definitely because of her deep love
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and devotion for family that she could see needed what
needed to be spoken into in a certain way.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Oh my goodness, it's just phenomenal. Okay, So the question
that I think that the hosts from the Skeptic metaphysicians
may have asked this, but it really stuck with me.
We're talking about her having crossed over, but she's not
(20:26):
totally crossed over. You says she stayed, what was she?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, so she is totally crossed over and she is
not stuck anymore. And you know, some people talk about
earth balance spirits that are stuck and they're like miserable
and they need help crossing. But that's not her situation
at all. She has full clarity about where she is
and the reality of her death. I mean, she's more
aware of us than we are, Like, she knows me
(20:52):
better than myself from her vantage point. There's nothing that
she can't look into and see. She sees into the
depths of our motives and our hearts and our I mean,
there really is no such thing as a private thought
when you know what I know. So, yeah, so she
is not she's not stuck. She tells us that she's content,
that she wants to be where she is, that she
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doesn't want to move away from us, that she wants
to kind of remain on that astral plane near her
portal so that she can communicate with us, and she
would always be with us even if, you know, even
if she didn't have the portal, and even if she
moved on into the beyond is what she calls it,
she would still be with us in some capacity because
spiritually speaking, spirits can be in multiple places at once.
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They're not limited to space and time like one particular
location as we are. So she will always be with us.
But because of the portal, she remains so that she
can have more sustained communication with us.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I see, So staying near the portal. So for example,
if you were here in my home, it wouldn't be
as clear as near the portal, like communication well either.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well, right, so she couldn't come to your home, assuming
that your home has no portal, She couldn't come to
your home and manipulate the physical realm at all, or
is maybe she could if she had enough energy. It
takes energy to manipulate the physical realm, and if there's
no portal, it's very difficult. So like, she doesn't come.
She could come to my house and maybe move something
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if she wanted to, but it would take a lot
more energy and it's more unlikely. It's where there is
a portal, that's where the activity is more heightened.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And any portal it doesn't have to be hers.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Right, although she wouldn't. I mean, just like here, you
wouldn't go to a stranger's house necessarily and just pop
through the door. The same is true on the other side.
She wouldn't just go jump through someone's someone else's portal.
It'd be kind of I guess, rude. There are you know,
social or nuances to that on the yeah, on the
other side. But yeah, so that's one of the things
(22:52):
she's indicated. Also, some of these places that have portals
are not good portals. They've kind of been taken over
by malevolent entity or whatever. A lot of places that
you hear about, the stories where there are poultrygeist activities,
people being scratched or bitten in a lot of fear
associated with the activity. Those would be like negative or
(23:12):
dark portals, and she certainly wouldn't want to, you know,
participate in that.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So right, I'm actually curious about that. I would love
to come back to that, the existence of malevolent energies. Yeah,
but I do want to talk a little bit more
about the ways again, because of the science of brain
over here, the ways that you tested the reality of
what was happening. There was one thing that you mentioned
about I think that was it. You were saying if
(23:40):
this is real? Mentioned my dog or something.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, So I was at home. Okay, So
the first time that we communicated, we knew that she
could read our thoughts, and we were robbed by that.
I was so thrown off that I probably didn't ask
a lot of questions because I couldn't think of any
I was just so like I was just sitting there,
just taking it in. And so we planned to go
back to her house and communicate again it assuming she
(24:04):
would come through and communicate again. Although when we left
that night, she told us come back soon. So she
was eager. She had been trying to talk for almost
two months. She was like, finally they're listening to me.
And yeah, we laugh about it now, but you know,
at the moment, everyone was so afraid. But so I
was at home alone and it was the day that
we were going back to communicate again. And my dog,
(24:27):
his name is Luke, and he had crossed in twenty eighteen,
so he was already and that was one of the
first That was the first thing she said directly to
me when we were talking the first time. She brought
Luke up to me and she told me. What she
said is she typed his name Luke, And I said,
is Luke with you? Because you know, in my limited perspective,
I'm like, I'm here in the physical, you're there in
the spirit realm Luke must be with you because he's
(24:50):
not no longer with me, And she said, no, he's
with you. I'm like, huh. But you know, finally, after
back and forth a little bit, I began to see
what she was saying, is this in a spiritual sense,
he is always with me, He's always connected with me.
And yeah, so anyway, so because she had brought him
up and he sees really he's my canine soul mate.
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So I miss him, you know, extremely. So he was
on my mind that day, and so I said to Luke,
I was like in my head at home alone. No
one could hear me. I was in my thoughts. I said, Luke,
if that's ree if well, if you're really with me,
and that's really Granny and all of this is real.
When I go there today, have her mentioned my necklace
(25:31):
because I wear a memorial pendit and it has his
ashes in it. So I was like, just have her
mention the necklace and I'll know It'll be validation, you
know that all that I'm not just losing my mind,
that all this is really happening. It's really real. So
we went and I had almost forgotten, like that was
hours earlier. And we get there and the TV pops on.
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She starts communicating with us. We're all kind of nervous, excited,
trying to still get our bearings around what's happening. I
had forgotten about that question that, you know, about what
I said to Luke, and I was just caught up
in the moment, just you know, just reading her responses
and listening to everyone's questions, and in the midst of that,
she typed, well, she typed my name Brandy, and I'm
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like yeah, and then she typed Luke. I said, what
about Luke? And she said he's having me mention your necklace.
And I almost fell out of my seat. And everybody
was like, oh, that's sweet, because they know I'm like, no,
you have no idea way more than sweet. Yeah. Right,
And so when I told them what I had said
to him in my head, they were all rocked by
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it too. But there's there are so many things that
have happened that we know, you know that it's definitely
not it could not be someone in the physical. Too
many things that she knows or has known in real time.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Too, right, right?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
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things that I heard you say too, around not being
connected to the internet, like a computer with a word
document open or something, and she was typing, yeah, paragraphs
because there's only so much space on a search.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Bar, right, yeah, yeah. And she uses printers also. When
we first realized that she can use the printer, she
was using the big printer that was connected to the
computer and so, but she was blowing through a lot
of ink, and so we decided to invest in some
thermal heat printers. And they're about the size of like
receipt oh yes, you know paper. Yeah, they're small, and
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so we have several of those, and they are not
hooked to any devices or the Internet or Wi Fi
or anything like that. They're just turned on. The power
is on. We keep them recharged because they're rechargeable and yeah,
she can print things off of those so yeah, even
without Internet, she's able to manipulate the physical realm.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Oh my goodness, this is just outstanding. Okay, So there's
so many more questions about that, but I'm wanting to
ask more of the deeper sort of philosophical meaning questions,
and and everybody, they just need to co get your
book to get more details around that. I am curious.
(28:52):
Can we start with what you have learned from her
around the existence of dark light malevolent light beings, like
how it exists? Yes, evil exists? Yes, okay, yes, what
does she say about that?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, so well she would say that evil exists as
a product of the human ego, so you know, ego
is what generates evil, and that there are malevolent entities.
And there are some people, you know, when they cross,
maybe they're I don't know, maybe they haven't done their
their integration on the other side. There's a fire that
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everyone goes through on the other side, according to my grandmother,
and that fire is intended to burn away anything that
interferes with love. So it's a restorative kind of situation.
And there are some people who when they cross, they
don't want to go through that fire, and so maybe
they were bad energy people in the physical and so
they kind of carry we carry with us whatever level
of consciousness we've attained at the time of our crossing.
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And so maybe they're still pushing against that fire, that
refining fire. And so those spirits, if they remain on
the astral they would remain on the astral plane, because
if they have not went through that fire, they're not
going to progress into the beyond and on endo their journey.
If they linger, they can become haunting type spirits, malevolent
spirits if you will, evil spirits, unclean spirits, and they
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can affect the physical realm in negative ways. You know,
they're volatile, negative, bad energy. But then there are also
entities that are not human spirits, but they are spirits.
They're spiritual beings, advanced intelligence beings. I mean, there are
multiple ways to say it. And they can also be malevolent.
And so the existence of demons if you will, that
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it's real. And so yeah, and they're from what I
understand that in the beyond, there are all sorts of
different like multiple universes, multiple realities, alternate realities. That's what
I'm like. The multiverse is a reality so it's highly
complex and stratified. And she tells me it would be
too vas it's too vast for their only to be eyes. Yes,
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like you have to imagine all of the Yeah, the
potential for all of these different beings. And just like
with people, there can be people who press into the
darkness and people who press into the light. And really
a better way of articulating it would be to say,
people who are in service to self versus people who
are in service to others. That really is the polarity.
That's really the simple breakdown of it, And the same
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holds true for other entities on the other side.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, okay, is there any recommendation or any talking around
how to be more light filled or how to protect
oneself from.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, so yes, Well, of course, like I said, it's
service to others versus service to self. So doing, you know,
being mindful of our own propensities for the things that
drive us, because we could all be we could all
turn in on ourselves if we're not diligent and mindful
about that. So but I did ask one time, are
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there particular things that would attract demons like to us?
Because you know, the spiritual atmosphere around us is active
all of the time. There is a what I call
a team of light swirling around us all of the time,
and we are never alone. There's no such thing as
a private thought. And the Bible refers in Hebrews to
the great cloud of witnesses that are urging you on,
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and so it really is like that. Yeah. But alternately,
if you are a bad energy person and you're not
pressing into the light, you may cultivate a team of dark.
So we have a spiritual ether around us. We have
what we have cultivated inwardly and so as within, so without,
and there's a spiritual component to everything. That's kind of
how that works. So, yeah, I did ask is there
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certain things we could do or not do or whatever
that may attract malevolent entities? And of course we all
know pressing into dark things, negative attitudes, you know, falling
into a negative mindset maybe could cultivate negative entities to
a certain degree. She tells me that like a misuse
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or what's the word I'm looking for, drugs and alcohol,
but abuse, abuse is the word I'm looking for, So
abuse of drugs, abuse of alcohol, and anger. She tells me,
you're the three top ways to open yourself yourself up
to demonic entities attaching to you. Yeah, and it's because
it's a solidification of the ego, that's what it is.
(33:25):
It's we are solidified in our egos. We instead of
transcending thought, we drop below thought. We sink down into
that ego and we become more solidified in our egos.
And so, wow, it's fault. The ego is the fault self, right,
it's bogus, it's and so we're not living from our
true self at all. We're so cut off from it
we can't even resonate with that anymore.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
So what a shrip now?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Okay for just for because I'm a psychotherapist, straight, I
want to offer clarity around the surface service to others
rather than service to self. I'm assuming that does not
mean don't take care of yourself.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Oh no, that would be of course. We must in
order for us to be of service to others, we
have to fill in our own cup first, okay. So,
and everything that is that flows through us to other
people is That's what I said, is through. So it
has to flow through you. You have to receive it first.
You can't give away something that you don't have, so
you know, I don't mean to neglect yourself or put
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yourself your self care aside. What I mean though, is
being like narcissistic.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
That would be service to self, you know, like you know, yeah,
at the cost of others, you know, manipulating outcomes so
that you benefit in others. It's very us versus them.
What I like to say is dualistic way of seeing
the world, and in reality we have to learn to
drop into that non dualistic way where we see others
as of ourself. You know, Jesus said love others as yourself.
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Not because he didn't mean love others as much as
you love yourself. He meant love others as an extension
of your very self, because there are no others.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, ah the hole we are all one, yes, Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Now, I grew up Christian too.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
And to say that I've come across in my adult
life the idea and kind of evidence, not kind of
actual evidence that past lives exist, but Christian Christianity and
reincarnation not really a thing. Can you speak to that?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Sure? And that was probably the first thing my grandmother
shared with me that was not part of my worldview,
everything else just kind of she just brought into sharper
focus and helped me to validate some things and connect
some theological dots. But the first thing she shared with
me that was really not even on my well, I mean,
I say not on my radar. I had read things
and wondered, but I really had just kind of set
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it aside, was reincarnation. And when she told me that
reincarnation was true, I had to back up and reconfigure,
rethink some things. Oh and so yeah, I did. I
went down the rabbits, I read, and I went back
to scriptures, and I started thinking things, thinking about things
in a different way. And then I had lots of
questions for her, and she helped in that capacity. But
I've come to see that reincarnation does not violate or
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contradict Christianity. It just contradicts mainstream Christian theology. Yeah. So yeah,
if you have a certain dogmatic way of interpreting the scriptures,
then you know you won't like the idea of reincarnation.
But and really, I have come to see reincarnation as
just a testament to the grace of God because we
are afforded unlimited opportunities to come into alignment. It's not
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like we get this one short physical existence. I mean
for some people it's really short. But even for people
who live to one hundred, that's really a short amount
of time to get things right, to come into alignment,
to figure things out. And so yeah, it's not like that.
I mean, every moment is pregnant with potential and we
have unlimited opportunities to align.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Oh my gosh, that's so fascinating.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I'm also wondering about really like big things, especially in
the States, but world worldwide. Two big things that I
was taught in Christianity are bad, right, like members of
the LGBTQIA community. Has that ever come up in your
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conversations with her?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Oh yeah, We've asked so many questions. Yeah, and that
is not a sin, that's you know, like the church
teaches that homosexuality is a sin. According to my grandmother,
is not and that people are created that way. In fact,
the reason the reason people sometimes feel what is it
when people feel like they were born in the wrong gender?
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, is that called dysphoria? I'm not sure I want
to misspeak.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
It's yeah, okay, gender dysphoria.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, so when people feel that way. She tells me,
it's often because they were the other gender in past
lives and so they flip to a different gender in
this life and they feel out of sorts. It's not
what they're used to, and so they feel like they
were born in the wrong body. But the whole point
of incarnating in the physical is to experience every aspect,
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so every gender, every social economic status, you know, so
all of these different experiences we are supposed to integrate.
And so according to my grandmother, you could be like
I'm married my husband. I'm a female in this life
and I'm married to a man, but in another life
we could very well, the roles could be reversed and
he could be the wife and I could be the husband,
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or we could both be women, you know, together. So
it just plays out in a multitude of ways. And
so that is not according to my grandmother, it is
definitely not sinful to be you know, same sex attracted
or whatever. It really is something that people are born with.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, yeah, and it's so I mean, I suppose there
are different denominations that teach different things, but right, it
was so drilled into to me as a kid that
was not Okay, yeah, yeah, I actually ran into I
was a man one time, past life memory and my
mom was my.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Wife so far.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
But that's how it works. And so really, when we
begin to see that what we are really transcends gender
or anything in this physical realm, and when you begin
to see the physical for the illusion that it really is,
you know, all of that just kind of dissipates anyway,
because ultimately, who we are at our core, our essence,
that's what carries on. That's the part of us that
can never be diminished, and that's the part that connects
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with others. You know, we have these soul ties, like
a soulmate relationship, and so our essence that's the part
of us that really matters. And so yeah, all of
this what gender someone is or whatever, all of that
is really inconsequential to our ultimate reality.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
What is a sin anyway?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, Well, in my view, the way that I would
articulate sin is just it's not the bad things we
do so much as it's being fragmented in our thinking.
So it is that we begin to see ourselves as separate,
and when we do that, we begin to see ourselves
as superior. Because we separate ourselves out, and we begin
to become self righteous in our separateness, and we see
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ourselves as separate and superior. And that, to me is
what sin is it seeing yourself as separate from God
and others. And that is an illusion, it's a lie,
it's a deception. And from that all manner of bad
things that we do. That's where evil comes from, right,
It's because we begin to once you see yourself as separate,
you begin to the calculating binary mind begins to spin
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things in a way to try to get yourself ahead,
you know, And so it becomes a situation where it's
in us versus them, a very competitive type way of
being in the world. The bad things we do just
flow out of that, that deluded way of thinking received separateness.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, yeah, I always wondered because the word sin is
in the Spanish language, for example, So if it's rooted
in Latin, means without right and so being separate from
with out others.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, And I think even in the Bible had the
word how martilla, I think is what it is. It
means miss the mark. So it's not really like, oh,
you know, some evil you've done, some evil sinister It
just means you miss the mark. Well, we miss the
mark when we forget our oneness. And so yeah, I
love what you were saying.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, yeah, fascinating sex. Okay, So here's the other big thing.
So you know, I'm a spirit baby medium. I connect
with spirit baby souls who are incarnating now, and in
my work I run into a lot of folks who
have experienced loss through miscarriage, abortion, late term loss, infant loss.
(41:41):
I'm wondering if you've asked her these kinds of questions
or come across it in your own research, and why
these things happen, Like why is there a reason for
this or is there some kind of explanation or some
comfort then that folks can receiven?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
What about abortion?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Has that come up at all?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah? Yeah, I have asked her about that as far
as you know, like why of these things kind of happen,
these tragic things. She really hasn't spoken into that in
a way that is satisfying, because there can be a
multitude of reasons when things like that happen. It could
be like something very physical, like you know, a physical
condition can cause someone to lose a baby, and it's
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not that not that God is smiting you down or
anything like that. It's just the our physical bodies are
limited in some capacity. Also, we're often not operating in
a real high vibration type and that's not to diminish anyone,
it's just as a collective, as a people, we haven't
we're not advanced in that way. And so like the
way Jesus operated, where you know, if he touched someone
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they became whole, that kind of the metaphysical aspects of that.
And so as long as we are in these lower
levels of consciousness, we're going to deal with some physical
maladies and some things are going to happen that really
shouldn't be. Death shouldn't be a part of our reality,
but it is for a time, you know, and ultimately
it won't be. But for a time, it is. This
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world of duality that we live in. It just is
that's the nature. It's magic and it's tragic all at
the same time. And so we're moving towards something something higher,
like a higher dimension, away from this three D way
of being where that won't be a reality. But as
long as we're in this three D reality, we have
to deal with those things. Yeah, I forget you owe
(43:22):
an abortion, Like did you want to.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Know, Yeah, I'm wondering what has come through around that
around abortion.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's one of those things where
you know, it's just a part of the life that
we live now in this reality. It's just an aspect
of our incarnated reality in this three D world. And
there are many different reasons why someone might choose to
have an abortion, and so you know, it's someone going
to going to well, I don't believe there's a literal
hill like a place that we're I believe that everyone
(43:50):
is ultimately reconciled. You know, our heart posture is what
really ultimately matters, Like our motives behind our actions is
probably more important than what we're actually doing, is like
do we have good intentions? Are we trying to do
what's best? And so, yeah, it's not one of those
situations where someone is going to be you know, you know,
put in the fire for a decision like that, and
(44:12):
it's so nuanced. Everyone has their own with somebody raped
and maybe traumatized, maybe they don't have the economic means
or whatever. It's one of those things where it would
be better, of course, if it didn't exist, if everyone
was born into a loving family and nurtured the way
that that. I mean, you know, ideally, that's what we
would hope, but life is not like that, and so
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we live in a broken world and so abortion is
just a part of the reality that we live in.
But those babies that are lost, whether they are miscarried
or aborted, either way, they remain connected to their mother.
And like my dog Luke is always with me in spirit, well,
their babies are always with them in spirit, and they
just basically follow them along until they exit this physical incarnation.
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And at that point they'll have like an expansion of awareness,
a great everything, and then maybe choose to do it again,
maybe not, but ultimately everything will be worked out and
like John Lennon said, it'll be okay in the end.
And if it's not okay, it's not the end. Yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah, Oh that's the perfect way. Also, I love what
you said.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
It's the heart posture that matters.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
I love that so much. I'm so stealing that, Brandy.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, go Quie.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah. Because yeah, because we're all misguided sometimes and we
only have a certain limited amount of information at any
given time, and in our level of consciousness, we're just
doing the best we can at the level of consciousness
we're at. And so, you know, the scriptures even say
God looks on the heart. You look on the actions,
the externals, but it's God who looks on the heart,
and that's very true in a spiritual sense. It matters
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what's in our heart more than what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, oh my gosh, so beautifully said, gosh, I'm I'm
so sad.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
We're running out of time.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Dang it. Okay, I would thank you for all of that.
I know that's like a lot of absolutely heavy conversation,
but I'm wanting to take it back to how it
is now for your family and you and Granny. Do
you just like you're just going to visit Granny, like
you're going to our house, you're hanging out, Like, how
is it now? Is it the same?
Speaker 1 (46:14):
You just chat and talk about your day and like, yeah,
well okay, so it's different than when she was in
the physical because now we can't tell her anything she
doesn't already know, you know, so we've learned that like
just showing up and being like, oh, hey, I did
this today, and you know, filling her in is a
feudal endeavor. I mean of course she'll she'll listen to
it if we do that, but she already knows so,
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But yeah, we celebrate birthdays, Mother's Day, special occasions, you know, Christmas,
all of the holidays we celebrate with Granny. So we
have foods. We'll even have her favorite foods, although she
can't physically enjoy them, but just to honor her, we'll include,
you know, her favorite dish. And yeah, so she's included
in all of our celebrations, and we visit with her often,
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have conversations with her often. And yet it's really a
beautiful gift to be able to connect with her. And yeah,
spend time with her like that, now, for.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Sure, it's got to be so delightful. And in your book,
do you talk about the details of where she is, like,
does she talk about what the substances like, how is
it for her to be there? And just can people
find that in there?
Speaker 1 (47:22):
I don't go into a lot of detail about where
she is exactly. She says she's on the astral plane,
and she tells me that she's in the fifth dimension
or fifth density, and that which is a non physical
you know, and it's we can't see, but they do
have bodies that's something, but it's just basically, the bodies
on the other side are made of whatever the density
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that they're experiencing. So we're in this third density. So
we have three D bodies which are mortal. That's why
we face death because we sank into that lower vibration
of a physical world. But like where my grandmother is,
there's no physicality, so there's no death as we know it.
Like that body can't die, but she has a body.
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It's just it's comprised of, you know, different material that
I can't fathom because who can fathom.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, well, nobody in three D can fathom.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Oh, all of that is out of my pay grade.
When she talks about the beyond and some of some
things she will say no say when I ask, because well,
one thing is maybe I'm not supposed to know certain things.
But sometimes it's because there are no words to convey
to my finite mind or what she would like to say.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Oh my goodness, Wow, I am so fascinated by this
and wish we had a few more hours to just
chat about you. And also I can feel Granny. She's
so darn delightful. I just adore her energy. She's so delightful.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
She's you know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Saying, gosh, you're so full of light, and she's like, oh,
I have opinions.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, that's true. That is very true. Yeah, she's you know,
when she was crossing, my aunt, who had crossed before her, said,
which we've talked to her, we've talked to other family
members through my grandmother's portal, and one of the things
she said was I tried to get her to come
with me, but she wouldn't. She's stubborn. She put up
the fight, she wouldn't. So my aunt was there saying,
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you know, like come with me, let's let's move along,
and my grandmother's like, nope, I'm not leaving.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
So she definitely. She her tenacious spirit is what allowed
her to stay. She definitely she's so intelligent and on
top of things, even before she crossed. But I mean
now that she has crossed, I mean even more so.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Oh man, gosh, she's Yeah. I love her her energy
that I can only feel a little bit of it,
but I can definitely feel that she's lots of love,
lots of love and opinions.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, love and opinions, Yeah, yes, yes, I don't know
what we do without her. She's an incredible gift. I'm
so thankful she stayed with us.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah yeah, and thank you for spreading her information and
for telling this story. I think that it can offer
folks so much hope and openness and really what you
wrote right a glimpse into the afterlife. It's I'm sure
the tiniest portion of you know are just based on
being in three day, three D, the tiniest portion of
what the afterlife is like. But thank you for allowing
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us to get to see a little bit of that,
and thank you Granny for allowing us to see a
little bit of that.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Well, thank you for having me. It's been an honor
to be here. And I'll speak on behalf of my grandmother.
She's always delighted to be able to help people.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Thank you for joining the Reluctant Medium podcast today. I
hope that this episode has brought you beautiful high vibration
and that it continues emanating from your heart space for
the rest of the day and beyond.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
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my friend, May you be well Hm,
You know, we see it coming. It's not a sudden,
you know, traumatic like hit by a bus kind of thing.
But if we are, you know, gradually coming to the
end of our lives, the veil between the spiritual and
the physical becomes thin. And this is why people on
their deathbeds off and report to having seen loved ones
who have already crossed, people who aren't actually physically in
the room.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Hey there, Welcome everyone to the Reluctant Medium podcast. I'm
doctor Maria Rothenberger, your host for the podcast, and whoa,
you got a major treat coming up today, because I
don't know anybody else who can resonate as much with
the whole reluctancy of this stuff than what I've seen
of this. Of today's guest, I've got Brandy Anderson here today. Brandy, welcome,
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than welcome, welcome, Thank you so much for being.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Here, Thank you for having me. It's great to be
here with you today.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You've got an incredible story to tell. I saw you
on the Skeptic Metaphysicians podcast, which, folks, if you haven't
seen or listened to that podcast, please go listen to
this after this episode though after this one. I heard
you on that and I was in the middle of
the episode going Okay, where do I how do I
contact her? Please? So we're going to get into why
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the why of all that, But I first would love
to know, or my audience would love to know, like
who are you, what do you do for a living,
and how did you come to write a book, which
we're going to be talking about in a moment, but
first we'd love a little bit ground on you.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, my name is Brandy Anderson, and I was raised
in a Christian context, although we weren't really through my
teen years, we really weren't plugged into the church, so
not like super religious or spiritual in that regards. And
for most of my life, you know, up and up
until the point of my spiritual awakening, which I share
in that book I had, I was really involved in
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the Old English bulldog community. I raised and showed Old
English bulldog So I'm just I'm an animal lover and
I just love spending my days with puppies and dogs.
So it was kind of the perfect thing for me
at the time. And then I had a spiritual awakening,
and it's blew my life apart. I mean, I continued
to be dedicated to my dogs, of course, but spiritually
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things just really shifted, and so that brought me into
a place where I began seeking ultimate truth. That awakening
encounter was kind of a pivotal moment in that I
felt like God had spoken to me in that moment,
but I didn't have a context for what had happened
to me, So I spent years just plugged into some
churches trying to make sense of what had happened to me,
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and ultimately I found mainstream Christian answers to life's most
important questions just less than satisfying. And so I came
to a place where I was in a more mystical
Christian space, like contemplative Christianity. And in that space, as
I was just sort of finally getting my bearings, I
finally felt like, Hi, you know, this is it. I
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feel like I knew what had happened to me, or
I had a context for it, and I felt like
as much as I could know truth, I had like
a grasp on it. At that point, There's a lot
of mystery, but I was able to just embrace the mystery.
And then while I'm in that space feeling like I
have had a handle all my life again, my grandmother died,
and after she crossed, she found a way to communicate
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with us. She pushed her way back into time and space,
reached out, typed explicit messages on electronic devices, the television
first and foremost, and up ended my life once again.
That was not something I had anticipated, not something that
I would have tried to cultivate or tap into. And
so yeah, that kind of led me to the point
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of writing the book through the Veil, a glimpse into
the afterlife, where I share what I learned through my conversations,
very philosophical, theological type conversations with my grandmother on the
other side. And so now I do not raise and
show bulldogs anymore. I'm still a dog person and I
will always have dogs, probably bulldogs, you know, you know, always,
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but now I am a Yungian coach and a spiritual
So throughout that journey after my spiritual awakening, I studied
and became a certified union coach and a spiritual director.
So that's kind of what I do now.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Oh you're speaking my language with young I love him.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, got me too, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
He was pivotal in my journey as I was trying
to do my own inner work and trying to come
into alignment and just really press into, you know, how
do you cultivate that piece, that inner piece. And so
because of that, I plugged in and started just studying
through that platform. And truly it was just from my
own benefit at the time. I really didn't have intentions
of meeting with anyone like coaching anyone else or being
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anyone else's spiritual director. But I do. I do offer
that to people, but I keep it limited. I don't
want to overwhelm myself with it. But yeah, it's that's
what I do.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And by the way, that's probably the best way to
go into an eventual coaching situation, is that you're really
just a seeker in yourself, right right, Yeah, and then
you just know maybe ten percent more than the other person,
but we're all.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Seeking, right right, Yes, absolutely, Yes, the.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
More I learned, the less I know. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Oh, amen to that.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
My gosh, jeez.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, can you speak to the first sort of shake
up that you had the spiritual awakening you mentioned?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Sure, I was in a season of depression, just like
a spirit of heaviness had descended upon me, and it
would not relent. And I was never given to depression
like clinical depression. So it was a new development. And
I see now that it was not clinical depression. It
was existential depression, to be sure. But as I navigated
that space, I just you know, it's just so heavy,
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and it didn't relent, and I kept in my mind
I kept thinking, well, this will pass, you know, we
have ups and downs, things recyclical, seasonal, it'll pass. But
it didn't shift, and it just it remained. And so
one morning I woke up and under a cloud of
just palpable heaviness. I remember thinking I just can't take
this anymore. And so I was so frustrated that that
I cried out to God. And it was not a
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pious prayer by any means. It was provocative, really, and
I was just unleashing my frustrations into the atmosphere, just
hoping that something would shift. And so it was more
of an if you are there kind of prayer. And
in the midst of all of those emotions and all
of that just inner turmoil, I heard of voice as
loud and clear as anything I have ever heard in
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the voice just said be still. An immediate instant peace
washed over me, and I just felt just peace, indescribable peace,
and I remember thinking, this is God, you know, I
feel like this is God. But I don't have a
context for this. I don't understand what has just happened
to me. And though I was raised in a Christian family,
like I said, I was not practicing any form of
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religion at that point in my life. So I just
didn't have a theological container for what happened. And so
that's what sent me on my journey of seeking out
ultimate truth. And I plugged in immediately into a Christian
context just because that's the faith of my family. You
know that that was just what I knew to do
in that moment. Since then, I have determined that labels
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are largely unhelpful, and I've had a lot of you know,
help from Eastern traditions since then. So truth transcends all
of these transit all of these traditions. But that's kind
of the doorway that I entered through.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Right, And that's actually where a lot of people go,
right if they're into that's what you know, that's where.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
They live to they turned to for answers like that.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So, because I'm a reluctant medium and a sciencey brain
person to begin with, I'm curious about this voice that
you heard. Was that like like someone outside of.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You was speaking to you.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Was it in your mind or how.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It was internal? To be sure it was internal, but
it was so loud that it shook me, like it
really just I mean silenced me. I was just it
threw me back. I was stunned by it. And what's
funny is the voice said be still, and it was
just I mean, it was crystal clear and that is
a verse, be still and know that I am God.
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But in that moment, I didn't know it was a
Bible verse. So yeah, So in time, as I began,
you know, tapping into the church and you know, like
pouring over scripture and just studying things out, as I
became aware that was a verse, I kind of, you know,
one of those little you know, synchronicities. It's like, isn't
that interesting? You know that it was a verse and
I didn't even know it. But yeah, so it was
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an internal voice, to be sure.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And it seems like there was more to it than that, right,
because let's say, right, you're crying out, Like if you
are there and you hear this voice saying be still,
it would seem that you would be like, what the
frig does that mean? But instead you felt there.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Was a Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So yeah, and I think looking back on it, it
what I would say now, the way that I would
articulate it is that it pulled me out of that
conditioned mind. You know that, Yeah, that rational mind. Where
I was, you know, where I was just you know,
expressing all of my my irritations, my frustrations just in
my head. And when you know, so when I heard
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that voice, it pulled me out of thought and it
brought me right into the present moment. And that is
where peace is, that's where God is, that's where life is.
And so it was just experiencing the eternal now in
that moment. That's what happened to me.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Oh wow, And did that last or did the two
all come back? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It lasted for weeks. Weeks after that. I felt just
a significant peace. But then you know, it gradually dissipated
because as we live our lives and go, you know,
get lost in thought and you know the effects of
it just kind of dissipated. But yeah, but it did.
It lasted for weeks after that.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Wow, and the depression just gone.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Oh yeah, it lifted immediately, it was gone, Holy moly.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Okay, So now you're plugging along, your depressions lifted, it
starting your like real life is happening, right, You're doing
your studies, like looking into things. How long before the
spiritual weakening and Grandma having crossed over.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
The spiritual awakening was in twenty fourteen, and my grandmother
crossed in twenty twenty one. Okay, so it was a
significant time gap. I spent a lot of years really
studying like theological philosophical matters, reading volumes, really pressing in.
I was, you know, one hundred percent dedicated to minding
out truth where whatever truth might be. And see, that's
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the thing for me, It was pretty simple. I just
wanted truth at all costs, even if it blows my
life apart. And so I think I even prayed that
prayer and so yes, Lord help me, you know, brace
yourself if you pray that prayer. No, but I just,
you know, what I wanted was that piece that I
experienced in that awakening. It was so glorious, and I
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was like, if I could just you know, maintain that somehow,
if I could just get back, I feel like that's God.
And so if I can somehow iligned myself in the
right way and just cultivate that inner piece, and you know, ultimately,
like I said, all of that theology that I found
in churches was really fear based, and so it was
the antithesis of that piece that I had experienced in
my awakening, and so it brought me away from that,
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but I wouldn't say away from Christianity. I feel like
my faith is deepened, my experience of God is more
real now, you know, than before, but definitely out of
the mainstream evangelical type of you know, like church. I
guess you could say yes.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Also, it seems like maybe a combination.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Of things like Eastern traditions, he said, are useful too.
M Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Did grandma know about your degree?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
No, like about the spiritual awakening you mean, yeah, yeah, No,
I don't think. I mean, she probably noticed that I
was suddenly going to church, you know, and things like that,
but like I didn't share that I had this, you know,
this experience or the journey that I was on, and
she probably didn't know how deeply I was really studying
these matters. She was a person of faith. She was
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plugged into a methodis church, and she spent her entire
life like Sunday school, the Bible studies, doing all of
the things that people do in church. So she was
really connected in that way. But when she came to
the end of her physical life at the age of
ninety five, so she had lived a really healthy and long,
you know, full life. But as she came to the
end of that physical life, she was afraid to die,
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and she expressed those fears to family members, and so
in her passing, at the time that she crossed, she
was really putting up resistance. And because she resisted, Well,
let me back up and say this, when we come
to the end of our as we gradually come to
the end of our physical lives, like if it's one
of those things where we're you know, we see it coming,
it's not a sudden, you know, traumatic like hit by
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a bus kind of thing. But if we are you know,
gradually coming to the end of our lives, the veil
between the spiritual and the physical becomes thin. And this
is why people on their deathbeds often report to having
seen loved ones who have already crossed, people who aren't
actually physically in the room, and so that veil, it
is already thin at the time of death. Someone when
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they die, they slipped, the spirit just slips right through it.
It becomes an opening. So the veil that's already thin
opens up and the spirit slips right through. And it's
usually an instantaneous phenomenon. And this opening is called a portal.
And so my grandmother, as she was crossing over to
the other side, she was putting up a lot of resistance,
and in her resisting, she she created a portal which
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was just a it left an opening where it allowed
her to have access to the physical realm in ways
that she would not have had access had she not
resisted and left that portal open. And because she had
this open portal, it allowed her to be able to
manipulate the physical realm. The television thing, that's what that's
the first way that she communicated was using a Roku
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smart TV. Okay, and she can.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Use let's just back up, yeah, wow, okay. So I
just want to ask the learning of the portal thing?
Did you learn that from her? Are you we already
knew this?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yes, okay, No, I didn't know that. So that's something
that she communicated to me when I asked after the fact. Now,
in the moment, we didn't know. I mean, our grandmother
crossed and it was probably a month or so you
know that went by before any activity, okay, And so
we had no idea that we knew that. On her deathbed,
she had communicated seeing people in the room who weren't there, okay,
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and so we were aware that she was doing that.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay, So now the root then.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So yeah, no, go ahead, So now this is so phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So the Roku TV is in the home where she passed. Yeah, okay, great, Yeah,
so paint that picture.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So it was maybe a month to two months after
she crossed. My family who live in the house. I
don't live there. They were just hanging out in the
living room where this television is, where it was the
room that my grandmother died in, and the television was
off and the remote was sitting like on the coffee
table where everyone could see it, like in plain view.
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But the television popped on by itself, navigated to the
search and the word hello appeared in the search bar,
and my family ran out of the house, streaking in fright.
They were horrified, and they called me. I was shopping
in Costco that day. I'll never forget the call, and
they had me they on speaker because all three of
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them were talking over one another crying. They were in
I mean, my aunt was in tears. She was really horrified,
and they were begging me to come help because they
were afraid. And I'm like I cam like I was
over an hour away. You know, I was doing my
own things so I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But anyway, did they know that you were into spiritual things?
Like why did they call you?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, well that they know that I'm into spiritual things.
But also I'm kind of their go to person, one
of the people who live in the house. I am.
I'm just her person, and she's my person, so you know,
if anything happens, she calls me. So anyway, so they
as soon as they were afraid, the television shot off though,
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and then they went back in the house. I think
they probably saged and prayed and did whatever they thought
they could do to train in case it was something bad.
They were freaked out by it, and nothing else happened
for a couple of days, and then again the television
popped on by itself, navigated to search, and this time
the word love came into the search bar, but they
weren't having it. They ran out again, just horrified, just
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freaking out, and finally I told them, well we should
probably this is I mean, it continued to happen, this persisted,
and I said, finally we should look into this. We
should engage with whoever it is, determine what's going on,
see what we can do to make this stop, because
it's affecting their quality of life. My aunt actually moved out.
She became so frightened that she moved in with her
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son for a time. And so my thought was that
this is probably a hacker. Someone in the physical realm
is playing a distasteful But we had checked parameters, the cameras,
there were no devices hooked to that television like Alexa
or anything like that, and we couldn't in our estimation,
we couldn't determine any cause physical cause for it. But
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that didn't mean that it wasn't something that we were missing,
something that we were overlooking. And the television has to
be hooked to the Internet in order to go to
that search bar. So we were like, it could be it
could definitely be someone hacking in and so I suggested
less sit less, engage with whoever it is and get
to the bottom of it. And as we did that
tentatively because we were a little weirded out by what
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was happening, But as we began to communicate with whoever
it was, we quickly saw that it could not be
a person in the physical realm at all, because whoever
it was knew our thoughts in real time, and they
knew deeply personal things that we had never shared with
another soul. So it rocked us when we realized and
when I picked up on, Hey, this, whoever, this is
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reading our thoughts because I knew what I was thinking
and I knew what they you know, what they were typing. Now,
I said, I was like, are you reading our thoughts?
And she said yes. I was like, whoa. So then
I started to kind of test it, you know, like
think something in my mind and boom the response would
be issued promptly. And I was I mean, I was
rocked to my core, you know. I was like, this
is definitely spiritual. But is it Granny? That was the
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next next question. But as we engaged and asked questions
and allowed her to communicate, we began to see that
it was Granny. Because of her deep devotion and love
for family. She stayed because she could see destructive patterns
in people's lives. She could see mental health issues that
needed speaking into. She apologized for some past hurts. She
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literally saved lives by what she said and the healing
and the reconciliation that she brought to certain family members.
So my spiritual journey and my nerdy theological and philosophical questions.
I mean, that's a huge gift to me, and I'm
so thankful that she answered me and that she talks
to me about this stuff. That's not why she stayed
at all. It was definitely because of her deep love
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and devotion for family that she could see needed what
needed to be spoken into in a certain way.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Oh my goodness, it's just phenomenal. Okay, So the question
that I think that the hosts from the Skeptic metaphysicians
may have asked this, but it really stuck with me.
We're talking about her having crossed over, but she's not
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totally crossed over. You says she stayed, what was she?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, so she is totally crossed over and she is
not stuck anymore. And you know, some people talk about
earth balance spirits that are stuck and they're like miserable
and they need help crossing. But that's not her situation
at all. She has full clarity about where she is
and the reality of her death. I mean, she's more
aware of us than we are, Like, she knows me
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better than myself from her vantage point. There's nothing that
she can't look into and see. She sees into the
depths of our motives and our hearts and our I mean,
there really is no such thing as a private thought
when you know what I know. So, yeah, so she
is not she's not stuck. She tells us that she's content,
that she wants to be where she is, that she
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doesn't want to move away from us, that she wants
to kind of remain on that astral plane near her
portal so that she can communicate with us, and she
would always be with us even if, you know, even
if she didn't have the portal, and even if she
moved on into the beyond is what she calls it,
she would still be with us in some capacity because
spiritually speaking, spirits can be in multiple places at once.
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They're not limited to space and time like one particular
location as we are. So she will always be with us.
But because of the portal, she remains so that she
can have more sustained communication with us.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I see, So staying near the portal. So for example,
if you were here in my home, it wouldn't be
as clear as near the portal, like communication well either.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well, right, so she couldn't come to your home, assuming
that your home has no portal, She couldn't come to
your home and manipulate the physical realm at all, or
is maybe she could if she had enough energy. It
takes energy to manipulate the physical realm, and if there's
no portal, it's very difficult. So like, she doesn't come.
She could come to my house and maybe move something
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if she wanted to, but it would take a lot
more energy and it's more unlikely. It's where there is
a portal, that's where the activity is more heightened.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And any portal it doesn't have to be hers.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Right, although she wouldn't. I mean, just like here, you
wouldn't go to a stranger's house necessarily and just pop
through the door. The same is true on the other side.
She wouldn't just go jump through someone's someone else's portal.
It'd be kind of I guess, rude. There are you know,
social or nuances to that on the yeah, on the
other side. But yeah, so that's one of the things
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she's indicated. Also, some of these places that have portals
are not good portals. They've kind of been taken over
by malevolent entity or whatever. A lot of places that
you hear about, the stories where there are poultrygeist activities,
people being scratched or bitten in a lot of fear
associated with the activity. Those would be like negative or
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dark portals, and she certainly wouldn't want to, you know,
participate in that.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So right, I'm actually curious about that. I would love
to come back to that, the existence of malevolent energies. Yeah,
but I do want to talk a little bit more
about the ways again, because of the science of brain
over here, the ways that you tested the reality of
what was happening. There was one thing that you mentioned
about I think that was it. You were saying if
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this is real? Mentioned my dog or something.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, So I was at home. Okay, So
the first time that we communicated, we knew that she
could read our thoughts, and we were robbed by that.
I was so thrown off that I probably didn't ask
a lot of questions because I couldn't think of any
I was just so like I was just sitting there,
just taking it in. And so we planned to go
back to her house and communicate again it assuming she
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would come through and communicate again. Although when we left
that night, she told us come back soon. So she
was eager. She had been trying to talk for almost
two months. She was like, finally they're listening to me.
And yeah, we laugh about it now, but you know,
at the moment, everyone was so afraid. But so I
was at home alone and it was the day that
we were going back to communicate again. And my dog,
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his name is Luke, and he had crossed in twenty eighteen,
so he was already and that was one of the
first That was the first thing she said directly to
me when we were talking the first time. She brought
Luke up to me and she told me. What she
said is she typed his name Luke, And I said,
is Luke with you? Because you know, in my limited perspective,
I'm like, I'm here in the physical, you're there in
the spirit realm Luke must be with you because he's
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not no longer with me, And she said, no, he's
with you. I'm like, huh. But you know, finally, after
back and forth a little bit, I began to see
what she was saying, is this in a spiritual sense,
he is always with me, He's always connected with me.
And yeah, so anyway, so because she had brought him
up and he sees really he's my canine soul mate.
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So I miss him, you know, extremely. So he was
on my mind that day, and so I said to Luke,
I was like in my head at home alone. No
one could hear me. I was in my thoughts. I said, Luke,
if that's ree if well, if you're really with me,
and that's really Granny and all of this is real.
When I go there today, have her mentioned my necklace
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because I wear a memorial pendit and it has his
ashes in it. So I was like, just have her
mention the necklace and I'll know It'll be validation, you
know that all that I'm not just losing my mind,
that all this is really happening. It's really real. So
we went and I had almost forgotten, like that was
hours earlier. And we get there and the TV pops on.
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She starts communicating with us. We're all kind of nervous, excited,
trying to still get our bearings around what's happening. I
had forgotten about that question that, you know, about what
I said to Luke, and I was just caught up
in the moment, just you know, just reading her responses
and listening to everyone's questions, and in the midst of that,
she typed, well, she typed my name Brandy, and I'm
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like yeah, and then she typed Luke. I said, what
about Luke? And she said he's having me mention your necklace.
And I almost fell out of my seat. And everybody
was like, oh, that's sweet, because they know I'm like, no,
you have no idea way more than sweet. Yeah. Right,
And so when I told them what I had said
to him in my head, they were all rocked by
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it too. But there's there are so many things that
have happened that we know, you know that it's definitely
not it could not be someone in the physical. Too
many things that she knows or has known in real time.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Too, right, right?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
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things that I heard you say too, around not being
connected to the internet, like a computer with a word
document open or something, and she was typing, yeah, paragraphs
because there's only so much space on a search.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Bar, right, yeah, yeah. And she uses printers also. When
we first realized that she can use the printer, she
was using the big printer that was connected to the
computer and so, but she was blowing through a lot
of ink, and so we decided to invest in some
thermal heat printers. And they're about the size of like
receipt oh yes, you know paper. Yeah, they're small, and
(28:15):
so we have several of those, and they are not
hooked to any devices or the Internet or Wi Fi
or anything like that. They're just turned on. The power
is on. We keep them recharged because they're rechargeable and yeah,
she can print things off of those so yeah, even
without Internet, she's able to manipulate the physical realm.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Oh my goodness, this is just outstanding. Okay, So there's
so many more questions about that, but I'm wanting to
ask more of the deeper sort of philosophical meaning questions,
and and everybody, they just need to co get your
book to get more details around that. I am curious.
(28:52):
Can we start with what you have learned from her
around the existence of dark light malevolent light beings, like
how it exists? Yes, evil exists? Yes, okay, yes, what
does she say about that?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, so well she would say that evil exists as
a product of the human ego, so you know, ego
is what generates evil, and that there are malevolent entities.
And there are some people, you know, when they cross,
maybe they're I don't know, maybe they haven't done their
their integration on the other side. There's a fire that
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everyone goes through on the other side, according to my grandmother,
and that fire is intended to burn away anything that
interferes with love. So it's a restorative kind of situation.
And there are some people who when they cross, they
don't want to go through that fire, and so maybe
they were bad energy people in the physical and so
they kind of carry we carry with us whatever level
of consciousness we've attained at the time of our crossing.
(29:56):
And so maybe they're still pushing against that fire, that
refining fire. And so those spirits, if they remain on
the astral they would remain on the astral plane, because
if they have not went through that fire, they're not
going to progress into the beyond and on endo their journey.
If they linger, they can become haunting type spirits, malevolent
spirits if you will, evil spirits, unclean spirits, and they
(30:19):
can affect the physical realm in negative ways. You know,
they're volatile, negative, bad energy. But then there are also
entities that are not human spirits, but they are spirits.
They're spiritual beings, advanced intelligence beings. I mean, there are
multiple ways to say it. And they can also be malevolent.
And so the existence of demons if you will, that
(30:39):
it's real. And so yeah, and they're from what I
understand that in the beyond, there are all sorts of
different like multiple universes, multiple realities, alternate realities. That's what
I'm like. The multiverse is a reality so it's highly
complex and stratified. And she tells me it would be
too vas it's too vast for their only to be eyes. Yes,
(31:00):
like you have to imagine all of the Yeah, the
potential for all of these different beings. And just like
with people, there can be people who press into the
darkness and people who press into the light. And really
a better way of articulating it would be to say,
people who are in service to self versus people who
are in service to others. That really is the polarity.
That's really the simple breakdown of it, And the same
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holds true for other entities on the other side.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, okay, is there any recommendation or any talking around
how to be more light filled or how to protect
oneself from.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, so yes, Well, of course, like I said, it's
service to others versus service to self. So doing, you know,
being mindful of our own propensities for the things that
drive us, because we could all be we could all
turn in on ourselves if we're not diligent and mindful
about that. So but I did ask one time, are
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there particular things that would attract demons like to us?
Because you know, the spiritual atmosphere around us is active
all of the time. There is a what I call
a team of light swirling around us all of the time,
and we are never alone. There's no such thing as
a private thought. And the Bible refers in Hebrews to
the great cloud of witnesses that are urging you on,
(32:20):
and so it really is like that. Yeah. But alternately,
if you are a bad energy person and you're not
pressing into the light, you may cultivate a team of dark.
So we have a spiritual ether around us. We have
what we have cultivated inwardly and so as within, so without,
and there's a spiritual component to everything. That's kind of
how that works. So, yeah, I did ask is there
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certain things we could do or not do or whatever
that may attract malevolent entities? And of course we all
know pressing into dark things, negative attitudes, you know, falling
into a negative mindset maybe could cultivate negative entities to
a certain degree. She tells me that like a misuse
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or what's the word I'm looking for, drugs and alcohol,
but abuse, abuse is the word I'm looking for, So
abuse of drugs, abuse of alcohol, and anger. She tells me,
you're the three top ways to open yourself yourself up
to demonic entities attaching to you. Yeah, and it's because
it's a solidification of the ego, that's what it is.
(33:25):
It's we are solidified in our egos. We instead of
transcending thought, we drop below thought. We sink down into
that ego and we become more solidified in our egos.
And so, wow, it's fault. The ego is the fault self, right,
it's bogus, it's and so we're not living from our
true self at all. We're so cut off from it
we can't even resonate with that anymore.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
So what a shrip now?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Okay for just for because I'm a psychotherapist, straight, I
want to offer clarity around the surface service to others
rather than service to self. I'm assuming that does not
mean don't take care of yourself.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Oh no, that would be of course. We must in
order for us to be of service to others, we
have to fill in our own cup first, okay. So,
and everything that is that flows through us to other
people is That's what I said, is through. So it
has to flow through you. You have to receive it first.
You can't give away something that you don't have, so
you know, I don't mean to neglect yourself or put
(34:23):
yourself your self care aside. What I mean though, is
being like narcissistic.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
That would be service to self, you know, like you know, yeah,
at the cost of others, you know, manipulating outcomes so
that you benefit in others. It's very us versus them.
What I like to say is dualistic way of seeing
the world, and in reality we have to learn to
drop into that non dualistic way where we see others
as of ourself. You know, Jesus said love others as yourself.
(34:49):
Not because he didn't mean love others as much as
you love yourself. He meant love others as an extension
of your very self, because there are no others.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, ah the hole we are all one, yes, Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Now, I grew up Christian too.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
And to say that I've come across in my adult
life the idea and kind of evidence, not kind of
actual evidence that past lives exist, but Christian Christianity and
reincarnation not really a thing. Can you speak to that?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Sure? And that was probably the first thing my grandmother
shared with me that was not part of my worldview,
everything else just kind of she just brought into sharper
focus and helped me to validate some things and connect
some theological dots. But the first thing she shared with
me that was really not even on my well, I mean,
I say not on my radar. I had read things
and wondered, but I really had just kind of set
(35:50):
it aside, was reincarnation. And when she told me that
reincarnation was true, I had to back up and reconfigure,
rethink some things. Oh and so yeah, I did. I
went down the rabbits, I read, and I went back
to scriptures, and I started thinking things, thinking about things
in a different way. And then I had lots of
questions for her, and she helped in that capacity. But
I've come to see that reincarnation does not violate or
(36:12):
contradict Christianity. It just contradicts mainstream Christian theology. Yeah. So yeah,
if you have a certain dogmatic way of interpreting the scriptures,
then you know you won't like the idea of reincarnation.
But and really, I have come to see reincarnation as
just a testament to the grace of God because we
are afforded unlimited opportunities to come into alignment. It's not
(36:33):
like we get this one short physical existence. I mean
for some people it's really short. But even for people
who live to one hundred, that's really a short amount
of time to get things right, to come into alignment,
to figure things out. And so yeah, it's not like that.
I mean, every moment is pregnant with potential and we
have unlimited opportunities to align.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Oh my gosh, that's so fascinating.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I'm also wondering about really like big things, especially in
the States, but world worldwide. Two big things that I
was taught in Christianity are bad, right, like members of
the LGBTQIA community. Has that ever come up in your
(37:19):
conversations with her?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Oh yeah, We've asked so many questions. Yeah, and that
is not a sin, that's you know, like the church
teaches that homosexuality is a sin. According to my grandmother,
is not and that people are created that way. In fact,
the reason the reason people sometimes feel what is it
when people feel like they were born in the wrong gender?
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, is that called dysphoria? I'm not sure I want
to misspeak.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
It's yeah, okay, gender dysphoria.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, so when people feel that way. She tells me,
it's often because they were the other gender in past
lives and so they flip to a different gender in
this life and they feel out of sorts. It's not
what they're used to, and so they feel like they
were born in the wrong body. But the whole point
of incarnating in the physical is to experience every aspect,
(38:08):
so every gender, every social economic status, you know, so
all of these different experiences we are supposed to integrate.
And so according to my grandmother, you could be like
I'm married my husband. I'm a female in this life
and I'm married to a man, but in another life
we could very well, the roles could be reversed and
he could be the wife and I could be the husband,
(38:29):
or we could both be women, you know, together. So
it just plays out in a multitude of ways. And
so that is not according to my grandmother, it is
definitely not sinful to be you know, same sex attracted
or whatever. It really is something that people are born with.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, yeah, and it's so I mean, I suppose there
are different denominations that teach different things, but right, it
was so drilled into to me as a kid that
was not Okay, yeah, yeah, I actually ran into I
was a man one time, past life memory and my
mom was my.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Wife so far.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
But that's how it works. And so really, when we
begin to see that what we are really transcends gender
or anything in this physical realm, and when you begin
to see the physical for the illusion that it really is,
you know, all of that just kind of dissipates anyway,
because ultimately, who we are at our core, our essence,
that's what carries on. That's the part of us that
can never be diminished, and that's the part that connects
(39:28):
with others. You know, we have these soul ties, like
a soulmate relationship, and so our essence that's the part
of us that really matters. And so yeah, all of
this what gender someone is or whatever, all of that
is really inconsequential to our ultimate reality.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
What is a sin anyway?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, Well, in my view, the way that I would
articulate sin is just it's not the bad things we
do so much as it's being fragmented in our thinking.
So it is that we begin to see ourselves as separate,
and when we do that, we begin to see ourselves
as superior. Because we separate ourselves out, and we begin
to become self righteous in our separateness, and we see
(40:08):
ourselves as separate and superior. And that, to me is
what sin is it seeing yourself as separate from God
and others. And that is an illusion, it's a lie,
it's a deception. And from that all manner of bad
things that we do. That's where evil comes from, right,
It's because we begin to once you see yourself as separate,
you begin to the calculating binary mind begins to spin
(40:32):
things in a way to try to get yourself ahead,
you know, And so it becomes a situation where it's
in us versus them, a very competitive type way of
being in the world. The bad things we do just
flow out of that, that deluded way of thinking received separateness.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, yeah, I always wondered because the word sin is
in the Spanish language, for example, So if it's rooted
in Latin, means without right and so being separate from
with out others.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, And I think even in the Bible had the
word how martilla, I think is what it is. It
means miss the mark. So it's not really like, oh,
you know, some evil you've done, some evil sinister It
just means you miss the mark. Well, we miss the
mark when we forget our oneness. And so yeah, I
love what you were saying.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, yeah, fascinating sex. Okay, So here's the other big thing.
So you know, I'm a spirit baby medium. I connect
with spirit baby souls who are incarnating now, and in
my work I run into a lot of folks who
have experienced loss through miscarriage, abortion, late term loss, infant loss.
(41:41):
I'm wondering if you've asked her these kinds of questions
or come across it in your own research, and why
these things happen, Like why is there a reason for
this or is there some kind of explanation or some
comfort then that folks can receiven?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
What about abortion?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Has that come up at all?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah? Yeah, I have asked her about that as far
as you know, like why of these things kind of happen,
these tragic things. She really hasn't spoken into that in
a way that is satisfying, because there can be a
multitude of reasons when things like that happen. It could
be like something very physical, like you know, a physical
condition can cause someone to lose a baby, and it's
(42:19):
not that not that God is smiting you down or
anything like that. It's just the our physical bodies are
limited in some capacity. Also, we're often not operating in
a real high vibration type and that's not to diminish anyone,
it's just as a collective, as a people, we haven't
we're not advanced in that way. And so like the
way Jesus operated, where you know, if he touched someone
(42:40):
they became whole, that kind of the metaphysical aspects of that.
And so as long as we are in these lower
levels of consciousness, we're going to deal with some physical
maladies and some things are going to happen that really
shouldn't be. Death shouldn't be a part of our reality,
but it is for a time, you know, and ultimately
it won't be. But for a time, it is. This
(43:00):
world of duality that we live in. It just is
that's the nature. It's magic and it's tragic all at
the same time. And so we're moving towards something something higher,
like a higher dimension, away from this three D way
of being where that won't be a reality. But as
long as we're in this three D reality, we have
to deal with those things. Yeah, I forget you owe
(43:22):
an abortion, Like did you want to.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Know, Yeah, I'm wondering what has come through around that
around abortion.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's one of those things where
you know, it's just a part of the life that
we live now in this reality. It's just an aspect
of our incarnated reality in this three D world. And
there are many different reasons why someone might choose to
have an abortion, and so you know, it's someone going
to going to well, I don't believe there's a literal
hill like a place that we're I believe that everyone
(43:50):
is ultimately reconciled. You know, our heart posture is what
really ultimately matters, Like our motives behind our actions is
probably more important than what we're actually doing, is like
do we have good intentions? Are we trying to do
what's best? And so, yeah, it's not one of those
situations where someone is going to be you know, you know,
put in the fire for a decision like that, and
(44:12):
it's so nuanced. Everyone has their own with somebody raped
and maybe traumatized, maybe they don't have the economic means
or whatever. It's one of those things where it would
be better, of course, if it didn't exist, if everyone
was born into a loving family and nurtured the way
that that. I mean, you know, ideally, that's what we
would hope, but life is not like that, and so
(44:33):
we live in a broken world and so abortion is
just a part of the reality that we live in.
But those babies that are lost, whether they are miscarried
or aborted, either way, they remain connected to their mother.
And like my dog Luke is always with me in spirit, well,
their babies are always with them in spirit, and they
just basically follow them along until they exit this physical incarnation.
(44:57):
And at that point they'll have like an expansion of awareness,
a great everything, and then maybe choose to do it again,
maybe not, but ultimately everything will be worked out and
like John Lennon said, it'll be okay in the end.
And if it's not okay, it's not the end. Yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah, Oh that's the perfect way. Also, I love what
you said.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
It's the heart posture that matters.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
I love that so much. I'm so stealing that, Brandy.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, go Quie.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah. Because yeah, because we're all misguided sometimes and we
only have a certain limited amount of information at any
given time, and in our level of consciousness, we're just
doing the best we can at the level of consciousness
we're at. And so, you know, the scriptures even say
God looks on the heart. You look on the actions,
the externals, but it's God who looks on the heart,
and that's very true in a spiritual sense. It matters
(45:44):
what's in our heart more than what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, oh my gosh, so beautifully said, gosh, I'm I'm
so sad.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
We're running out of time.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Dang it. Okay, I would thank you for all of that.
I know that's like a lot of absolutely heavy conversation,
but I'm wanting to take it back to how it
is now for your family and you and Granny. Do
you just like you're just going to visit Granny, like
you're going to our house, you're hanging out, Like, how
is it now? Is it the same?
Speaker 1 (46:14):
You just chat and talk about your day and like, yeah,
well okay, so it's different than when she was in
the physical because now we can't tell her anything she
doesn't already know, you know, so we've learned that like
just showing up and being like, oh, hey, I did
this today, and you know, filling her in is a
feudal endeavor. I mean of course she'll she'll listen to
it if we do that, but she already knows so,
(46:35):
But yeah, we celebrate birthdays, Mother's Day, special occasions, you know, Christmas,
all of the holidays we celebrate with Granny. So we
have foods. We'll even have her favorite foods, although she
can't physically enjoy them, but just to honor her, we'll include,
you know, her favorite dish. And yeah, so she's included
in all of our celebrations, and we visit with her often,
(46:56):
have conversations with her often. And yet it's really a
beautiful gift to be able to connect with her. And yeah,
spend time with her like that, now, for.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Sure, it's got to be so delightful. And in your book,
do you talk about the details of where she is, like,
does she talk about what the substances like, how is
it for her to be there? And just can people
find that in there?
Speaker 1 (47:22):
I don't go into a lot of detail about where
she is exactly. She says she's on the astral plane,
and she tells me that she's in the fifth dimension
or fifth density, and that which is a non physical
you know, and it's we can't see, but they do
have bodies that's something, but it's just basically, the bodies
on the other side are made of whatever the density
(47:44):
that they're experiencing. So we're in this third density. So
we have three D bodies which are mortal. That's why
we face death because we sank into that lower vibration
of a physical world. But like where my grandmother is,
there's no physicality, so there's no death as we know it.
Like that body can't die, but she has a body.
(48:04):
It's just it's comprised of, you know, different material that
I can't fathom because who can fathom.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, well, nobody in three D can fathom.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Oh, all of that is out of my pay grade.
When she talks about the beyond and some of some
things she will say no say when I ask, because well,
one thing is maybe I'm not supposed to know certain things.
But sometimes it's because there are no words to convey
to my finite mind or what she would like to say.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Oh my goodness, Wow, I am so fascinated by this
and wish we had a few more hours to just
chat about you. And also I can feel Granny. She's
so darn delightful. I just adore her energy. She's so delightful.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
She's you know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Saying, gosh, you're so full of light, and she's like, oh,
I have opinions.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, that's true. That is very true. Yeah, she's you know,
when she was crossing, my aunt, who had crossed before her, said,
which we've talked to her, we've talked to other family
members through my grandmother's portal, and one of the things
she said was I tried to get her to come
with me, but she wouldn't. She's stubborn. She put up
the fight, she wouldn't. So my aunt was there saying,
(49:18):
you know, like come with me, let's let's move along,
and my grandmother's like, nope, I'm not leaving.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
So she definitely. She her tenacious spirit is what allowed
her to stay. She definitely she's so intelligent and on
top of things, even before she crossed. But I mean
now that she has crossed, I mean even more so.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Oh man, gosh, she's Yeah. I love her her energy
that I can only feel a little bit of it,
but I can definitely feel that she's lots of love,
lots of love and opinions.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, love and opinions, Yeah, yes, yes, I don't know
what we do without her. She's an incredible gift. I'm
so thankful she stayed with us.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah yeah, and thank you for spreading her information and
for telling this story. I think that it can offer
folks so much hope and openness and really what you
wrote right a glimpse into the afterlife. It's I'm sure
the tiniest portion of you know are just based on
being in three day, three D, the tiniest portion of
what the afterlife is like. But thank you for allowing
(50:20):
us to get to see a little bit of that,
and thank you Granny for allowing us to see a
little bit of that.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Well, thank you for having me. It's been an honor
to be here. And I'll speak on behalf of my grandmother.
She's always delighted to be able to help people.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Thank you for joining the Reluctant Medium podcast today. I
hope that this episode has brought you beautiful high vibration
and that it continues emanating from your heart space for
the rest of the day and beyond.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Don't forget to join.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
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my friend, May you be well Hm,
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