February 6, 2025 • 49 mins
In this episode of the Reluctant Medium podcast, Dr. Maria Rothenberger interviews Ashana, a vocal artist and crystal healer. Ashana shares her journey into the world of sound healing and the profound impact of crystal singing bowls on her life and practice. They discuss the science and spirituality behind crystal healing, how it aids in promoting relaxation, heart coherence, and enhancing one's intuition and inner guidance. Ashana also reflects on significant moments in her career and personal life, illustrating the transformative power of sound and intention. Listeners are treated to an excerpt from Ashana's new album, emphasizing the healing properties of her music. The episode offers insights into using various modalities for holistic healing and trusting one's inner guidance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And you would see their energy just being to change
in seconds from hearing. Now, that's the effect of the music,
and a lot of different kinds of music has that
effect on us, and the same thing with the bulls.
I've seen this for twenty five years, bringing in the
sound of a bowl into an environment and playing that
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and particularly when it's played with a very committed intention.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome to the Reluctant Medium, where we cover the gamut
of out there conversations with an open mind and a
curious heart. We want to talk about it all, from
psychic phenomenon and energy medicine, to beings from other star
systems and out of body experiences. You'll find a great
balance between grounded, science backed topics.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
And others that science hasn't quite caught up to yet.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm your host, doctor Maria Rothenberger, a psychotherapist by trade
and a reluctant spirit baby communicator. And hey, even though
I'm a medium, I'm not buying everything folks are selling.
I just have a voracious appetite to know more about
what I call the world of the weird.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Join us on.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Your favorite podcast platform or watch on YouTube. At the
Reluctant Medium, I'll see you there, Hi there, Welcome everyone
back to the Reluctant Medium podcast. I'm doctor Maria Rothenberger,
your host for the podcast, and I have been chomping
at the bit to talk to today's guest as Shauna. This morning,
(01:35):
I was listening to her beautiful vibrations. Really, I want
to say music, but it's just so ethereal and settling
and centering. Even through this morning's tech issues, I was
calm and centered. Yet I'm so delighted to welcome you today.
Thanks so much for being here, Ashanna.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Oh, thank you, Maria. It's wonderful to be here with you.
Finally we got all of it organized. I just did
I know. This is try number three, and so we are.
This is the charm number. That's say, That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's right, And folks can see behind you in your
beautiful space there the home for your crystal bowls. We
were talking about crystal healing, crystal bowl healing today, among
other things. I'm sure I'm already yeah, I'm already getting
input from the other side. Ask this, ask that so
first though, first things first, would you please tell us
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who you are and how you came to do what
you do?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I'm blessed to be a human being and a body
walking on this earth at this incredible time in our evolution.
I think I was one of those reluctant I love
your word reluctant. I think I'm one of those reluctant
angelic beings that said, sure, I'm in, i'll go down,
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I'll help, And then when it came time to do
the jump, I went. As I have in my mind,
I've been blessed my whole life to have a love
and a passion for all things artistic and musical, and
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just to be infused with a growing and developing love
of sound and music and vibrational frequency. And I get
to do that for lots and lots of people in
concerts and in public experiences. And I get to teach
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my students in a program called Crystal Bowl Mastery. I
get to have magical experiences like I did the other
day watching one of my students move from almost paralyzing
neck pain to freedom after we work together, which was
just stoked me beyond belief. And we're getting read need
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to do another retreat and we'll have a big gathering
of students coming in for Crystal Bowl Mastery. So I
live in outside of Sedona, Arizona, with about one hundred
and fifteen of my own personal crystal alchemy bowls and
about eight therapy harps, and a heck of a lot
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of tuning forks and all kinds of instruments like that,
with a beautiful man who's a Native Hawaii healer and
a cat and a cat naturally, naturally, I am a catwoman,
no children, married catwoman. So if you're not okay with
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any of that's probably good time to stop listening and
or watching. Now.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's so funny when you talk when you say that,
because when you sort of introduced you your crystal bulls,
I'm like, those are your children? These are they feel
like you're this This is who you nurture and your
cat and maybe your spouse.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's back and forth, you know, I think that I
think this experience of having them in my space nurtures me. Yeah,
as much, if not more? What actually, I can't say
if not more. It's a real collamber to yes, love.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I actually had a question about the fact that the
material of these bulls or crystals, because I am a
crystal healer. In fact, I just happened to create a
very grounding spread for myself over here with some smoky
quarts and some milky quarts, and I am curious, what
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would happen if I was able to create sound from
these crystals and the crystal bulls do this? Yeah, because
crystals already have resonance and energy coming emanating. Well, what
happens when you create sound from them?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Then you get in alchemy, the the Then they have
the opportunity, the crystal consciousness has the opportunity to express
itself vibrationally through sound. And then you have because you
know that you understand the qualities of quartz crystal, you
understand that through sound. Now we get to project that
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sound far, far, far greater distance than you could if
you were just simply holding a holding a stone in
your hand. So now, because sound can travel gosh, if
it's i it's underwater, it can it can travel up
to two hundred and twenty five hundred and fifty miles.
Now think about that. If you're working with crystal healing
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and you're and you're projecting, you're amplifying that sound. You're
amplifying the energetic vibrational frequencies off the crystals. Now you're
using sound as a medium to carry that goes right
into the body, which is seventy percent sound. So everything
insides that frequency goals systemically, organically, systemically, And because we
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have parts of ourselves that are crystal and orientation, the
molecular structure of the fluids in our body as well
as our as our skeletal system, as well as parts
of our hormonal system, they're all you know, crystaline based.
Now you have this dynamic natural resonance right between the
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crystal and the sound and the organism. Plus you know,
our energetic bodies. I mean, we go on and on
and about that. It's a beautiful blend.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Are you telling me I'm moving into paramenopause? Are you
telling me that crystal healing can help my hormonal issues?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's also well, you know, that's a really interesting, interesting
thoughtful because you know, whenever we're dealing with with shifts
and transitions and changes in the body, they're there and
the psyche. There are so many layers to it. And
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I say this all the time to my students, h
and anybody who'll listen to me. I am right now
in my in my opinion, and that's like an h oh,
my humble I h oh in my humble I am
a joh in my humble opinion. You know, crystal sound healing,
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crystal healing, all different kinds of healings are part of
a very organic whole, and they are complementary to each
other and to the healing process as a whole, as
an entirety. So I really council people not to extricate
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one and elevate it above the other, but to see
it as part of a very unique combination that is
decided upon, probably on the soul level, by the person
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that is calling upon that healing, and so that may
be well. We have allopathic medicine for this, we have
TCM for this, we have the crystal healing for this,
we have the sound healing for this. And so we
don't put a finger on it and say, oh, such
and such is going to heal my hormonal issues. When
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the herbs can be amazing, the photogenic light therapy is amazing,
your yoga is amazing, Your crystal sound healing is amazing,
and we bring all of this together for every person
we find that unique combination that is right for them.
Mmmm Ah.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That is true holistic healing. You're clearly a healer, and
I wondered how you came to specifically and you're also
a vocalist or your vocals. I'm a vocalist, right, And
so this is another reason why my partner and I
are musicians, and so this is another reason why I
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wanted him to.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Hear your music.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
There's just something about your vocals too that I am
just like I just from a technical perspective, like what.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Just what? But all right, so you're.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
A musician in a crystal healer. I'm wondering how you
came to do this specific kind of healing and pair
it with the vocals.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
How did this happen? Ashan? Just how did this happen?
But I didn't decide it. I had a whole other
plan I did. I had a whole other plan, and
it was It was kind of a pure one of
those destiny moments when I got a phone call from
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a mentor, a spiritual mentor that I was working with,
and she said, she called me up one day and
she goes, have you ever heard of crystal singing bowl?
And I said no, and she goes, these are right
up your ally and I said okay, And literally I
bought one sight unseen that day, and three weeks later
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it arrived at my house. In this giant box was
a big old classic frosted fourteen inches g and I
put it on the table, pulled it out, all the peanuts, everything,
put on the kitchen table. And I was in rural
in New Mexico at the time, and I tapped the
side of the bowl and I burst into tears, and
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I said, immediately, so my God, light has come to
live in my house. And that was the first thing
I thought, and literally, without exaggeration, like the very next
thought in my head was one day, I'm going to
put these into music. And it's significant to remember that
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at that point in time, you know, sound healing didn't exist.
It wasn't it wasn't trending, it wasn't spoken about. Crystal
Bulls were like, huh, you know, I mean, this was
like very few people were working with sound on a
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large scale level. You know, there were a lot of
people like, oh, you know, James Twyman and Jonathan Goldman
and Van Dyke and oh gosh, Tom Kenyon. You know,
we were all at that kind of period. Steve Halperm,
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we were all kind of like, you know, just sort
of don Campbell. It was it was we were we
were just like walking the earth kind of going okay,
here we are, you know, and what do we what
do we see here? We were in the discovery phase
and the learning and growing phase all of us. So
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about three weeks after I got my first ball, I
had seven because I was so like, I whatever this is,
you know, And at that point in time, it was like, oh,
you need seven for the seven chokers. I'm like, okay,
I'm in cool.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Fot just bring I'm picking up what you're putting down.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yep. It's like it that's exactly. And all I can
think about was C D, E, F G A, be done.
I don't give me a good place to start, you
know those you know, the seven notes major notes of
the Western musical scale. And I was like perfect, you know.
So I went through this period for about two years
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where I just I was just exploring. I was using
a lot of vowel sounds with the bulls. I was
playing with them a lot, and with the guidance of
one of my mentors, she was like, Okay, you need
to go out in public and do this for other people.
And I was like, really, you know, I'm a singer.
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I'm like, I don't do stuff like this. She's like, no, no, go, go,
and so she encouraged me. And and I was using
at that time just kind of a vowel system that
I had learned, which used which correlated vowel sounds to
the different chakras. And so I was working. I was
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doing this before anybody was doing stuff like that. I
was doing this with groups of people, and at a
certain point in time it was like, okay, about two
thousand and five did I did all of that from
about nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and four, two
thousand and five, just kind of quietly in my community,
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and I had this feeling. It's like I got to
go to recording and I wasn't even really thinking about
the bull I sort of was thinking about the bulls
because they were, you know, I was integrating them. But
I had this feeling that I needed to find a
producer that was really going to understand me my music
(15:42):
and the crystal singing balls I had. I had it
like that, and I was I was lying kicked back
in shavasana and somebody was playing A teacher was playing
snatum car for for for relaxation, and I heard, of course,
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I wasn't relaxed at all. I was listening to the music.
I was like, uh huh, what is that? And my
thought wasn't oh sonatam karm. My thought was who the
heck is that producer? Yes, that's right, that guy, he
knows it. I want him. And it was just this amazing,
(16:29):
uh synchronicity of events. And I found out who it was.
I asked the teacher, I said, who is that and
she goes, oh, that's not guys, no, never mind. Was
the producer Sonata or whatever? Right? It was that album?
She said, oh, that's Thomas Barkie And I was like, okay,
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here's Thomas Barkie's medium. I'm home and I'm like look
it up. And it turns out he was coming with
Sonatum to do a concert two weeks later, I mean,
and it was the last time he ever played in
New Mexico. It was the last time. It was like
such the divine angels just went you here, and that's
(17:14):
right right. So this was so funny. So so I
talked to my friend Daniel Statnikoff, who is the person
who brought the perumium whistling vessels in for that's his
own story, which is an amazing He has a whole
book about that. But he was the one who brought
the proving whistling vessels back into awareness. So one of
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the real pioneers and sound healing is Daniel. And so
Daniel and I were hanging out together and because he
loved not too far from my house, and I said,
I got to go meet this guy, so Daniel and I.
Daniel says, all right, I'll go with you to the concert.
I'm like, awesome, right, And I'm scared, right because I'm
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thinking of myself. This is like, you know, this guy
has like he's recorded with Seal, he has like like
a bazillion million cts hour He's like, and I'm like,
he's not gonna want to work with me? Are you
kidding his life? Well me, little Olashana, who cares?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So we get to this concert and I'm all dressed up.
I'm wearing this black dress with perp with gold things
on it, and Daniel's rest in black pants and a
black shirt with pineapples all over and this I'll tell
you why this is so important? And we walk into
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the hall and it was the Saint Francis Auditorium in
sat Fingo, Mexico, and everybody there was a quinolini yoga seek.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
The body was in white except dude, I'm trying to
be on him. Juice I had to do with look there,
and it was alaious.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And in the meantime, I'm thinking to myself and say, Okay,
if this is the right thing to do, and I'm
gonna be supposed to meet this guy, then angels give
me a sign, make it so it's so obvious that
I'm supposed to talk to this guy. Meantime, I'm sitting
right in the middle of the concert and they walk out,
the musicians walk on stage, and I swear to you,
if I had like an apple, I could have thrown
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it right at Thomas Barky. He was like sitting directly
in front of me at the piano. That's where I
ended up. And I'm kind of going, what's going on here? Anyway?
Intermission comes and I gotta go to the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I go to the lady's room and I'm scared and
I come out of the lady rooms and the place
is packed, is like eight nine hundred thousand people in
this in this auditorium right, and I walk out of
the bathroom.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
And I swear to God, I walk right, this is
just stop it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Stopping so true. I come in and I go like this,
and I like, because I'm not paying attention looking straight
into Thomas Barker's face, that is incredible. What's so And
I was so scared. I was like, oh my god,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Excuse me.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And he's like, oh no, that's all right. He's Germany.
He's like, no, no, no, don't go about it. And
we go on and I'm like going, oh god, oh
my god. Oh, and I say, Angels, I said, if
I'm really supposed to talk to him, you're gotta give
me another sun.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And the angels are going seriously, seriously, seriously.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So we're setting to the end of the concert. The
end of the concert comes up, and I'm I'm I'm
waiting because I knew I had to go up on
the stage and I had to talk to him, and
Daniel he literally he psychically pushed my behind up the stairs.
Waited till there was nobody in the hall left, oh, left,
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and Thomas is still standing there talking to people. And
I walked up to him and I put my hand down.
I said Hi, I'm a Sean. He says hi, and
he's like six foot four and I'm like five foot six,
and I said, Hi, my name is Ashana. And the
first words out of his mouth to be like a Shana,
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my daughter. She has a friend named a little girlfriend
named Ashana. How are you? And I'm like, my goodness, okay,
thank you, Michaels. I get it. This is enough. And
we've been working together for seventeen years ever since and
like an absolute dream team, and so much of the
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music that I am it's Thomas. It's this beautiful blend
of you know. The consciousness that the two of us
have have when we create together is so fluid and deep,
and I believe in my heart it was one of those,
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you know, one of those things went on the soul
level when the soul the two souls go great, and
this is how we're gonna meet and it's going to
look like this, So you'll get it and I'll see
you when we get there. Yeah, you know, And that's
that's been what It's like, Oh my gosh, and it
goes on and on and on from there.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
One d believe that. And I also can now feel
what you mean by the reluctancy, like you're gonna have
to smack me in the face that I'm supposed to
talk to this man and literally smacked in the face
by him, if by his chest. Okay, but I need
another sign. It actually leads right into what I was
going to ask about next. But first I just want
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to for sean all folks who are listening and watching,
at the end of this podcast episode, I have been
fortunate enough to receive a piece of a Shawna's new
album and so I'm going to play that for you
at the end, and so please stay tuned for that.
I am curious about. Okay, so let me just say
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in my work with individuals and groups, my main focus
is to empower people to do the things that they
need to do for themselves, whatever that is. And there's
usually touching base with one's inner guidance system. And there
is something that when when they the person that was
telling me about you to like, hey, interview with this woman,
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I was like, yes, A piece of that list that
they said, here's what she can talk about was that
they talked about using sound healing and crystal bowls to
enhance intuition and inner guidance, and I'm wondering about that
if you can speak to that, especially how folks can
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trust that. Is there a way to use crystal balls,
crystal singing bowls, crystal healing to trust one's own inner guidance?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Oh? Absolutely, it's the and and how do you learn
to trust that? And because you asked, it's like, how
do you know? How do you know if you can
trust that? Because of the feeling of it. And so
we have to kind of take a step back, and
we have to reverse engineer this a little bit because
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so many of us have been in circumstances let's use
that word that have resulted in our reluctant I love
your word, our reluctance to trust our own knowingness. So
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we have allowed consciously and unconsciously the words and the
belief systems of those who are are caregivers or the
people that are authority figures in our lives to tell
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us that what we feel and what we sense us
true is not true. And we've been collectively conditioned in
this way over and over and over and over again.
So part of the process here that we're all going
through right now, I think on deeper and deeper levels.
Is learning to discriminate between what is an alignment for
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our own well being and what is not. And in
some ways there's a really simple way discriminating of learning
how to discriminate, and it takes practice because we have
to learn how to trust again. And so that way
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is and I love to say that, I said, is
this okay? If you have that? If you tune into
how you're feeling when you ask about something, is this
relationship right for me? Is this next step the right
next step for me? And you tune into the feeling
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of the energy in your body and it begins to
close and contract, it's a really good sign that it's not.
And if you tune into the energy and you go
and you feel that sense of your body and your
energy and your heart center beginning to expand, and it
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could have a sense of excitement or anticipation or optimism, possibility, hope,
and it might even be so subtle that you can't
even justcncerned that it's optimism, our hope, it's just this
feeling of openness. That's a really good chance you're getting
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good direction from your soul that that's the right next
step to take. That's what's ready to be investigated and explored.
That's the knowingness going go down this road. That's the
knowing this that said, go meet this guy at this
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concert and ask him to produce your music. Yeah, you know,
I was terrified, but I was also like, you know
it on from the gut instinct. I gotta do this
no matter what. Yeah, okay, it is a training piece
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that happens. Now you ask, why are the bulls so
helpful to this? Because when we are working with crystalline
sound specifically, there is a full body entrainment and the
sound and vibrational frequencies themselves bring us into a state
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of heart coherence. And it doesn't take a whole lot
of time for this to happen. So I tell people,
you know, if you want an experience of this, you
literally you can put my music on for about three
to five minutes. I've watched this so many times. I
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will see when I first did my albums and you
could walk into bookstores where they had, you know, the
music playing, and they would be playing my music and
I would watch people walk into the store. They would stop,
They'll go like yeah, and you would see their energy
just begin to change in seconds from hearing. Now, that's
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the effect of the music, and a lot of different
kinds of music has that effect on us. And the
same thing with the Bulls. I've seen this for twenty
five years, bringing in the sound of a bowl into
an environment and playing that, and particularly when it's played
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with a very committed intention for healing, for quieting the mind,
for opening up the space to connect with spirit, just
of love, you know, genuine love, then you will see
people make a shift, usually between three and five minutes.
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So here we are we going too that state of
car coherence, and then our energy feel begins to expand
and then we literally can step outside of that conditioned mind,
that program. We can. I said it in a way
I never said it before to one of my students.
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It's like, let's just say you had your thought forms
and your belief systems with this really really tight weave, okay,
and it was woven, it was all it was right
in your field and the physical and the mental, the
emotional body. There's this tight weave of emotions, of thought forms,
of trauma. And then when you play vibrational healing with
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the Bulls, there's like the weed just begins to open
like this. And as it starts to open, you know,
you like that little space in there, and your energy
goes out that space, and now you're like floating outside
the weave, right or soul spirit guidance now has a
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space where it can get through. Now you're open, and
how do you know? It's Oh, I'm thinking about doing
such and such, and what do you think, my soul,
my beloved soul, what do you think about this? My angels?
What do you think? How do you feel about that?
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What if I did this? Is it even possible? Right? Yeah?
And so that guidance has the space to come into us,
and we have the space to create a space between
the tension, the contraction of our conditioned mind and what's
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possible beyond. That's what I think the walls do.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Oh my gosh, seriously, a Seana, I feel like crying
right now. I feel like crying right now. The truth
of that, it just is so profound, and honestly I
experienced it myself. I just want to say this in
case other people are struggling too with hard things, right,
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hard decisions made, not just going up on stage and
talking to somebody that you're scared of talking to you,
but big life decisions. So as you were speaking, it
reminded me last year I went through a divorce and
I knew, I knew that it was the right thing,
but it was terrifying, and all of the things that
had to be put into place to move forward out
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of that and onto the next part of my life
was overwhelming. But every time I dropped into heart coherence,
I call it dropping into my heart it was.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Truth was there, and I.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Can see how having that resonance of the crystal bowls
would have helped me stay there, because here was my experience.
It was okay, this is the truth. Oh no, but nope,
drop in again, what's the truth, Maria? Okay, but oh
my god, this is okay.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's dropping. So it was that, and I.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Can see how having your music on or even going
to a crystal healing experience would have helped me just
stay in that heart coherence space much easier. It's a
difficult thing, and I think you know, one of the
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one of the things Maria I would say is we
don't it's hard to stay.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
There, and we don't have to stay there. We're not
going to stay there, So we just got to know
we're not gonna stay there, We're gonna hop out. It's
just good to know how to come back. Yeah, and
what are our what are our tools that we have
available to us where that will help us come back.
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And sometimes it's going to be listening to you know,
Crystal Ball music, or you know, listening to a Shaana
or Sonatum or you know, different artists or things that
resonate with us. You know, sometimes it's going to be
I need to take a walk. Sometimes it's going to
be I need to take a bath. Sometimes it's going
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to be I need to call a friend. Sometimes I
need to sit meditate. You know, we just need to
gather all those pieces together. I really understand this. My
husband was very very ill for a couple of months
this year and last month he was hospitalized three times.
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And inside of this and there was a part of
me and it was kind of close, we were on
the edge. There was a part of me that was
like and it was almost I couldn't even speak to
it because it was such a you know, my life
(35:02):
is going like this. And what I had to do
and I disciplined myself to do this every morning is
I got up, I went for a long walk. I
listened to things that teachings that really raised my frequency.
(35:28):
I came back into the house, I meditated, and I
played my bulls and it's like, okay, now I can
go to the hospital. Yep. An hour and a half
drive to the hospital, I listened to uplifting, vibrational chamting
and podcasts that would just you know. So it was
(35:55):
this combination of things again, like as I spoke too earlier,
you know, we find this way that's gonna okay. I'll
put this little puzzle together called myself Nurturing, and it's
got this piece in it and this one and this
one and this one put all together, and this is
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gonna support me in that. And you can't have bowls
playing all the time. I mean, I have my playlist
of people you know that I listened to, you know,
because because I it's you know, I don't listen to myself.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
God.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I can remember Thomas and I were laughing one day.
He was he was in a in a store and
I mean in a cafe and and he hears this
music playing.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
He goes, Wow, that guy's really good. Production's really awesome.
It's like do this and this and this, and then
it took him a while he realized that he'd produced.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
That forgot about. And I understand this, you know, because
like that's not the music that's none on my playlist.
I've got other things that I listen to. And then
of course there are things that are on my playlist
that I listen to that are mine, but mostly it's
other people. But anyway, right, I love.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
What you're What you're inferring here is that, yes, crystal
bulls in crystal healing can enhance these things and use
it as part of your own personal prescription for enhancing
your intuition and inner guidance.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I love that. Absolutely. There's no one stop anything. Allopathic
medicine is not a one stops you know. Therapy is
not a one stop. You know. Sound healing is not
a one stop. Yoga is not a one stop.
Speaker 7 (37:50):
It's like, and when we get caught and we depend
on those all those things to be able to provide
everything for us, you know, that's when we get stuck,
you know, so we have to and we stop growing.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
So if we can have an open mind and say,
what is it that I need right now? What's going
to nurture and nourish me in this moment. You know,
when I find spiritual mentors and teachers that have that
kind of an attitude, that are that are not wholly
focused on their one tradition, man, my eyes go open
(38:26):
like this, and I'm really paying attention to them because
they have something to offer. They are It's like the
Dalai Lama, you know, just a question, question, question, question,
and don't do it until it feels good. I'm paraphrasing
that's right, well, and that's another thing, right, tuning into
what feels right to you, and that's how you can trust.
I actually prescribe, prescribe people to play with this right
(38:51):
because sometimes it's hard to know what is my body
telling me, what is my intuition telling me, what is
the truth? What does feel expansive, what does feel contracting?
I don't know, and so playing around.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
With it is really good. Try out listen to the
piece at the end of this at the end of
this podcast, and feel your body. Does it feel like
a yes, does it feel like a no?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Feel it see? Yeah? Yeah, so great.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I have one more question for you, if we can.
We've been talking about this consciousness and ethereal things really
and I just want to highlight that I had an
experience with crystal singing bowls, only one in person experience
that was before COVID and then everything shut down and
(39:37):
I just didn't do it again. But a friend of
mine invited.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Me to go to this.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Crystal healing experience and it was sixty minutes of being
in a room with crystal singing bowls and she used
chimes or bells of some kind over each body. Okay,
is that what that is? I? Hey, Shauna, I felt
like I had an hour long massage, Like my body
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was affected, not just my mental health or my body.
What what's happening? What happened with that? What is happening
with the body that it's affectedself? Well, you're releasing stress.
Remember we talked about coming into that state of coherence,
heart coherence. You know, just think about all of those
sounds and training every cell in your body, okay, and
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all the cells of the body.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
You're going, Oh, I'm feeling better now. Oh I can
dig a breath, Oh I can relax. And then remember
there are little receptors on all the cells that once
one feeling or emotion is triggered, it just kind of
goes to all the neighboring cells. And so now you're
having vibration, intentional vibration, vibration which we hope is being
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transmitted with a deep sense of love, respect, prayers, and
affirmations for healing, either internally or you know, spoken by
the group. You're creating a group collective experience which is saying,
you know, we are here for our for our healing,
we are here for our wholeness. We are we are
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calling in the team where we're we're invoking the presence
of the divine healing angels, of of of our soul's guidance,
of all the healing angels that are available to us,
the master teachers that are available us, and the room literally begins,
I swear to because I've seen it. It just begins
filling up with these beings of light. And there is
(41:41):
an activation of all the energy bodies in the field
as the body moves into a deeper state of coherent
harmonic resonance literally from the root chakra all the way
to the crown and to all the the chakras above
and even some of the chalkras below, and there is
a relaxation so there is no resistance the body moves
(42:04):
into deeper and deeper states of relaxation without resistance. Right,
nobody's touching you. If the sounds are played well, then
the sounds are very, very soothing. They're very nourishing. And
the more and more and more you relax, the more
the body says, Oh, well, I don't need that pain.
(42:24):
I can just look go on that pain. Yes. I've
had situations where people come to my concerts right and
have had you know, stuff Literally, they watched stuff shoot
out of their organs. We've had situations where there have
been tumors released and blockages, intestinal blockages released, chronic pain
(42:52):
that's been held in the body, you know, leaves. I
was referring to this at the beginning of our interview
where working with one of my students last week and
working with her with vocal sound and a profound neck
pain that she had been dealing with for months, and
(43:16):
she wrote me forty eight hours after our session and
she said that the pain reduction was dramatic. So, when
sound is so powerful, it is such a powerful healing modality,
and when sound is relayd oftentimes the the the what
(43:40):
is underneath I put it that way, what's underneath the condition,
either the pain, the illness, the whether that's mental, whether
it's emotional, whether it's physical, whether it's the trauma, there
is something under there, and when we can get relaxed enough,
(44:01):
when the body relaxes enough, and we are willing open
to reflect and be witnessed to from a real state
of neutrality, and sound can help us reach that neutral state.
When we can see that, we can reflect upon whatever's
(44:22):
underneath there. And the moment we start that gentle reflection,
hopefully gentle, then it can unwind. It cannot go. And
sometimes it's just you know, the tension of the pain
that's that's instigating all of that or behind it all,
and we can experience the sound and vibration, and minutes
(44:48):
later the pain is gone. I've had many, many, many
people over the years tell me that just listening to
my music has relieved chronic pain almost instantly. I have
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
I will never forget that session. I don't know why
I haven't been back, honestly, but now I have your
music to listen.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
To, so well, you can do that, and then you
can and you can you know, there's a beautiful thing
about the combination of both those things. So that you know,
when you go to a live experience and you have
that and then and then let's say you can't get
back for two weeks or you can't back for three weeks.
You know, what do you what do you look for? Well,
(45:28):
you find the music that is designed to do that.
And that's one of the reasons why we created the
music for as Celestial Alignment for Healing, of which you
have a couple of excerpts from that, so that people
can have that experience where you can just put it
on your headphones, you can lay back and just allow
(45:52):
yourself to receive. So headphones can and music can be
as potent and sometimes more potent than a live experience. Yeah,
you know, because you know, when you get into the
studio and you can you can create the best of
the best of the best of the best of that.
(46:13):
And that's at least what Thomas and I do. You know,
it's finding the best of the best of the best,
then real magic can happen. Yeah. So yeah, live absolutely,
recorded absolutely and they're like, you know, you know right
in the left hand.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Oh yes, well that is going to be my own
personal prescription, thank you, along with Crystal Healing, like listening
to your music when I'm doing an actual crystal healing
on myself. It just is part of my I track
everything that I'm that I'm doing every crystal session, and
that's in the treatment portion of my crystal healing is
(46:55):
a Shauna. I'll name the particular track. And I just
love you. I just love you, Sean. I'm just saying,
I just love you.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Thank you, Maria.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
I appreciate you so much and your wisdom and your insights.
Thank you so much for moving through the tech struggles
with me today and sharing of yourself today.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
I really appreciate you. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Thanks for joining the Reluctant Medium podcast today. I hope
you found this episode helpful. You can connect with me
at the reluctantmedium dot us.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Where you can find lots of free content.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
As well as readings. All links are also in the
show notes. Thanks so much again for joining today.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
I will see you next time.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Old he
And you would see their energy just being to change
in seconds from hearing. Now, that's the effect of the music,
and a lot of different kinds of music has that
effect on us, and the same thing with the bulls.
I've seen this for twenty five years, bringing in the
sound of a bowl into an environment and playing that
(00:26):
and particularly when it's played with a very committed intention.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
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Speaker 2 (00:56):
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Your favorite podcast platform or watch on YouTube. At the
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back to the Reluctant Medium podcast. I'm doctor Maria Rothenberger,
your host for the podcast, and I have been chomping
at the bit to talk to today's guest as Shauna. This morning,
(01:35):
I was listening to her beautiful vibrations. Really, I want
to say music, but it's just so ethereal and settling
and centering. Even through this morning's tech issues, I was
calm and centered. Yet I'm so delighted to welcome you today.
Thanks so much for being here, Ashanna.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Oh, thank you, Maria. It's wonderful to be here with you.
Finally we got all of it organized. I just did
I know. This is try number three, and so we are.
This is the charm number. That's say, That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's right, And folks can see behind you in your
beautiful space there the home for your crystal bowls. We
were talking about crystal healing, crystal bowl healing today, among
other things. I'm sure I'm already yeah, I'm already getting
input from the other side. Ask this, ask that so
first though, first things first, would you please tell us
(02:32):
who you are and how you came to do what
you do?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I'm blessed to be a human being and a body
walking on this earth at this incredible time in our evolution.
I think I was one of those reluctant I love
your word reluctant. I think I'm one of those reluctant
angelic beings that said, sure, I'm in, i'll go down,
(02:56):
I'll help, And then when it came time to do
the jump, I went. As I have in my mind,
I've been blessed my whole life to have a love
and a passion for all things artistic and musical, and
(03:18):
just to be infused with a growing and developing love
of sound and music and vibrational frequency. And I get
to do that for lots and lots of people in
concerts and in public experiences. And I get to teach
(03:38):
my students in a program called Crystal Bowl Mastery. I
get to have magical experiences like I did the other
day watching one of my students move from almost paralyzing
neck pain to freedom after we work together, which was
just stoked me beyond belief. And we're getting read need
(04:00):
to do another retreat and we'll have a big gathering
of students coming in for Crystal Bowl Mastery. So I
live in outside of Sedona, Arizona, with about one hundred
and fifteen of my own personal crystal alchemy bowls and
about eight therapy harps, and a heck of a lot
(04:20):
of tuning forks and all kinds of instruments like that,
with a beautiful man who's a Native Hawaii healer and
a cat and a cat naturally, naturally, I am a catwoman,
no children, married catwoman. So if you're not okay with
(04:43):
any of that's probably good time to stop listening and
or watching. Now.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's so funny when you talk when you say that,
because when you sort of introduced you your crystal bulls,
I'm like, those are your children? These are they feel
like you're this This is who you nurture and your
cat and maybe your spouse.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's back and forth, you know, I think that I
think this experience of having them in my space nurtures me. Yeah,
as much, if not more? What actually, I can't say
if not more. It's a real collamber to yes, love.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I actually had a question about the fact that the
material of these bulls or crystals, because I am a
crystal healer. In fact, I just happened to create a
very grounding spread for myself over here with some smoky
quarts and some milky quarts, and I am curious, what
(05:50):
would happen if I was able to create sound from
these crystals and the crystal bulls do this? Yeah, because
crystals already have resonance and energy coming emanating. Well, what
happens when you create sound from them?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Then you get in alchemy, the the Then they have
the opportunity, the crystal consciousness has the opportunity to express
itself vibrationally through sound. And then you have because you
know that you understand the qualities of quartz crystal, you
understand that through sound. Now we get to project that
(06:26):
sound far, far, far greater distance than you could if
you were just simply holding a holding a stone in
your hand. So now, because sound can travel gosh, if
it's i it's underwater, it can it can travel up
to two hundred and twenty five hundred and fifty miles.
Now think about that. If you're working with crystal healing
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and you're and you're projecting, you're amplifying that sound. You're
amplifying the energetic vibrational frequencies off the crystals. Now you're
using sound as a medium to carry that goes right
into the body, which is seventy percent sound. So everything
insides that frequency goals systemically, organically, systemically, And because we
(07:10):
have parts of ourselves that are crystal and orientation, the
molecular structure of the fluids in our body as well
as our as our skeletal system, as well as parts
of our hormonal system, they're all you know, crystaline based.
Now you have this dynamic natural resonance right between the
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crystal and the sound and the organism. Plus you know,
our energetic bodies. I mean, we go on and on
and about that. It's a beautiful blend.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Are you telling me I'm moving into paramenopause? Are you
telling me that crystal healing can help my hormonal issues?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's also well, you know, that's a really interesting, interesting
thoughtful because you know, whenever we're dealing with with shifts
and transitions and changes in the body, they're there and
the psyche. There are so many layers to it. And
(08:15):
I say this all the time to my students, h
and anybody who'll listen to me. I am right now
in my in my opinion, and that's like an h oh,
my humble I h oh in my humble I am
a joh in my humble opinion. You know, crystal sound healing,
(08:38):
crystal healing, all different kinds of healings are part of
a very organic whole, and they are complementary to each
other and to the healing process as a whole, as
an entirety. So I really council people not to extricate
(09:03):
one and elevate it above the other, but to see
it as part of a very unique combination that is
decided upon, probably on the soul level, by the person
(09:26):
that is calling upon that healing, and so that may
be well. We have allopathic medicine for this, we have
TCM for this, we have the crystal healing for this,
we have the sound healing for this. And so we
don't put a finger on it and say, oh, such
and such is going to heal my hormonal issues. When
(09:47):
the herbs can be amazing, the photogenic light therapy is amazing,
your yoga is amazing, Your crystal sound healing is amazing,
and we bring all of this together for every person
we find that unique combination that is right for them.
Mmmm Ah.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That is true holistic healing. You're clearly a healer, and
I wondered how you came to specifically and you're also
a vocalist or your vocals. I'm a vocalist, right, And
so this is another reason why my partner and I
are musicians, and so this is another reason why I
(10:28):
wanted him to.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Hear your music.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
There's just something about your vocals too that I am
just like I just from a technical perspective, like what.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Just what? But all right, so you're.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
A musician in a crystal healer. I'm wondering how you
came to do this specific kind of healing and pair
it with the vocals.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
How did this happen? Ashan? Just how did this happen?
But I didn't decide it. I had a whole other
plan I did. I had a whole other plan, and
it was It was kind of a pure one of
those destiny moments when I got a phone call from
(11:21):
a mentor, a spiritual mentor that I was working with,
and she said, she called me up one day and
she goes, have you ever heard of crystal singing bowl?
And I said no, and she goes, these are right
up your ally and I said okay, And literally I
bought one sight unseen that day, and three weeks later
(11:43):
it arrived at my house. In this giant box was
a big old classic frosted fourteen inches g and I
put it on the table, pulled it out, all the peanuts, everything,
put on the kitchen table. And I was in rural
in New Mexico at the time, and I tapped the
side of the bowl and I burst into tears, and
(12:07):
I said, immediately, so my God, light has come to
live in my house. And that was the first thing
I thought, and literally, without exaggeration, like the very next
thought in my head was one day, I'm going to
put these into music. And it's significant to remember that
(12:27):
at that point in time, you know, sound healing didn't exist.
It wasn't it wasn't trending, it wasn't spoken about. Crystal
Bulls were like, huh, you know, I mean, this was
like very few people were working with sound on a
(12:49):
large scale level. You know, there were a lot of
people like, oh, you know, James Twyman and Jonathan Goldman
and Van Dyke and oh gosh, Tom Kenyon. You know,
we were all at that kind of period. Steve Halperm,
(13:09):
we were all kind of like, you know, just sort
of don Campbell. It was it was we were we
were just like walking the earth kind of going okay,
here we are, you know, and what do we what
do we see here? We were in the discovery phase
and the learning and growing phase all of us. So
(13:30):
about three weeks after I got my first ball, I
had seven because I was so like, I whatever this is,
you know, And at that point in time, it was like, oh,
you need seven for the seven chokers. I'm like, okay,
I'm in cool.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Fot just bring I'm picking up what you're putting down.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yep. It's like it that's exactly. And all I can
think about was C D, E, F G A, be done.
I don't give me a good place to start, you
know those you know, the seven notes major notes of
the Western musical scale. And I was like perfect, you know.
So I went through this period for about two years
(14:09):
where I just I was just exploring. I was using
a lot of vowel sounds with the bulls. I was
playing with them a lot, and with the guidance of
one of my mentors, she was like, Okay, you need
to go out in public and do this for other people.
And I was like, really, you know, I'm a singer.
(14:32):
I'm like, I don't do stuff like this. She's like, no, no, go, go,
and so she encouraged me. And and I was using
at that time just kind of a vowel system that
I had learned, which used which correlated vowel sounds to
the different chakras. And so I was working. I was
(14:54):
doing this before anybody was doing stuff like that. I
was doing this with groups of people, and at a
certain point in time it was like, okay, about two
thousand and five did I did all of that from
about nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and four, two
thousand and five, just kind of quietly in my community,
(15:17):
and I had this feeling. It's like I got to
go to recording and I wasn't even really thinking about
the bull I sort of was thinking about the bulls
because they were, you know, I was integrating them. But
I had this feeling that I needed to find a
producer that was really going to understand me my music
(15:42):
and the crystal singing balls I had. I had it
like that, and I was I was lying kicked back
in shavasana and somebody was playing A teacher was playing
snatum car for for for relaxation, and I heard, of course,
(16:06):
I wasn't relaxed at all. I was listening to the music.
I was like, uh huh, what is that? And my
thought wasn't oh sonatam karm. My thought was who the
heck is that producer? Yes, that's right, that guy, he
knows it. I want him. And it was just this amazing,
(16:29):
uh synchronicity of events. And I found out who it was.
I asked the teacher, I said, who is that and
she goes, oh, that's not guys, no, never mind. Was
the producer Sonata or whatever? Right? It was that album?
She said, oh, that's Thomas Barkie And I was like, okay,
(16:51):
here's Thomas Barkie's medium. I'm home and I'm like look
it up. And it turns out he was coming with
Sonatum to do a concert two weeks later, I mean,
and it was the last time he ever played in
New Mexico. It was the last time. It was like
such the divine angels just went you here, and that's
(17:14):
right right. So this was so funny. So so I
talked to my friend Daniel Statnikoff, who is the person
who brought the perumium whistling vessels in for that's his
own story, which is an amazing He has a whole
book about that. But he was the one who brought
the proving whistling vessels back into awareness. So one of
(17:35):
the real pioneers and sound healing is Daniel. And so
Daniel and I were hanging out together and because he
loved not too far from my house, and I said,
I got to go meet this guy, so Daniel and I.
Daniel says, all right, I'll go with you to the concert.
I'm like, awesome, right, And I'm scared, right because I'm
(17:56):
thinking of myself. This is like, you know, this guy
has like he's recorded with Seal, he has like like
a bazillion million cts hour He's like, and I'm like,
he's not gonna want to work with me? Are you
kidding his life? Well me, little Olashana, who cares?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So we get to this concert and I'm all dressed up.
I'm wearing this black dress with perp with gold things
on it, and Daniel's rest in black pants and a
black shirt with pineapples all over and this I'll tell
you why this is so important? And we walk into
(18:33):
the hall and it was the Saint Francis Auditorium in
sat Fingo, Mexico, and everybody there was a quinolini yoga seek.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
The body was in white except dude, I'm trying to
be on him. Juice I had to do with look there,
and it was alaious.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And in the meantime, I'm thinking to myself and say, Okay,
if this is the right thing to do, and I'm
gonna be supposed to meet this guy, then angels give
me a sign, make it so it's so obvious that
I'm supposed to talk to this guy. Meantime, I'm sitting
right in the middle of the concert and they walk out,
the musicians walk on stage, and I swear to you,
if I had like an apple, I could have thrown
(19:21):
it right at Thomas Barky. He was like sitting directly
in front of me at the piano. That's where I
ended up. And I'm kind of going, what's going on here? Anyway?
Intermission comes and I gotta go to the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I go to the lady's room and I'm scared and
I come out of the lady rooms and the place
is packed, is like eight nine hundred thousand people in
this in this auditorium right, and I walk out of
the bathroom.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
And I swear to God, I walk right, this is
just stop it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Stopping so true. I come in and I go like this,
and I like, because I'm not paying attention looking straight
into Thomas Barker's face, that is incredible. What's so And
I was so scared. I was like, oh my god,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Excuse me.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And he's like, oh no, that's all right. He's Germany.
He's like, no, no, no, don't go about it. And
we go on and I'm like going, oh god, oh
my god. Oh, and I say, Angels, I said, if
I'm really supposed to talk to him, you're gotta give
me another sun.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And the angels are going seriously, seriously, seriously.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So we're setting to the end of the concert. The
end of the concert comes up, and I'm I'm I'm
waiting because I knew I had to go up on
the stage and I had to talk to him, and
Daniel he literally he psychically pushed my behind up the stairs.
Waited till there was nobody in the hall left, oh, left,
(20:54):
and Thomas is still standing there talking to people. And
I walked up to him and I put my hand down.
I said Hi, I'm a Sean. He says hi, and
he's like six foot four and I'm like five foot six,
and I said, Hi, my name is Ashana. And the
first words out of his mouth to be like a Shana,
(21:15):
my daughter. She has a friend named a little girlfriend
named Ashana. How are you? And I'm like, my goodness, okay,
thank you, Michaels. I get it. This is enough. And
we've been working together for seventeen years ever since and
like an absolute dream team, and so much of the
(21:37):
music that I am it's Thomas. It's this beautiful blend
of you know. The consciousness that the two of us
have have when we create together is so fluid and deep,
and I believe in my heart it was one of those,
(22:01):
you know, one of those things went on the soul
level when the soul the two souls go great, and
this is how we're gonna meet and it's going to
look like this, So you'll get it and I'll see
you when we get there. Yeah, you know, And that's
that's been what It's like, Oh my gosh, and it
goes on and on and on from there.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
One d believe that. And I also can now feel
what you mean by the reluctancy, like you're gonna have
to smack me in the face that I'm supposed to
talk to this man and literally smacked in the face
by him, if by his chest. Okay, but I need
another sign. It actually leads right into what I was
going to ask about next. But first I just want
(22:44):
to for sean all folks who are listening and watching,
at the end of this podcast episode, I have been
fortunate enough to receive a piece of a Shawna's new
album and so I'm going to play that for you
at the end, and so please stay tuned for that.
I am curious about. Okay, so let me just say
(23:08):
in my work with individuals and groups, my main focus
is to empower people to do the things that they
need to do for themselves, whatever that is. And there's
usually touching base with one's inner guidance system. And there
is something that when when they the person that was
telling me about you to like, hey, interview with this woman,
(23:30):
I was like, yes, A piece of that list that
they said, here's what she can talk about was that
they talked about using sound healing and crystal bowls to
enhance intuition and inner guidance, and I'm wondering about that
if you can speak to that, especially how folks can
(23:50):
trust that. Is there a way to use crystal balls,
crystal singing bowls, crystal healing to trust one's own inner guidance?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Oh? Absolutely, it's the and and how do you learn
to trust that? And because you asked, it's like, how
do you know? How do you know if you can
trust that? Because of the feeling of it. And so
we have to kind of take a step back, and
we have to reverse engineer this a little bit because
(24:26):
so many of us have been in circumstances let's use
that word that have resulted in our reluctant I love
your word, our reluctance to trust our own knowingness. So
(24:48):
we have allowed consciously and unconsciously the words and the
belief systems of those who are are caregivers or the
people that are authority figures in our lives to tell
(25:08):
us that what we feel and what we sense us
true is not true. And we've been collectively conditioned in
this way over and over and over and over again.
So part of the process here that we're all going
through right now, I think on deeper and deeper levels.
Is learning to discriminate between what is an alignment for
(25:35):
our own well being and what is not. And in
some ways there's a really simple way discriminating of learning
how to discriminate, and it takes practice because we have
to learn how to trust again. And so that way
(25:58):
is and I love to say that, I said, is
this okay? If you have that? If you tune into
how you're feeling when you ask about something, is this
relationship right for me? Is this next step the right
next step for me? And you tune into the feeling
(26:23):
of the energy in your body and it begins to
close and contract, it's a really good sign that it's not.
And if you tune into the energy and you go
and you feel that sense of your body and your
energy and your heart center beginning to expand, and it
(26:47):
could have a sense of excitement or anticipation or optimism, possibility, hope,
and it might even be so subtle that you can't
even justcncerned that it's optimism, our hope, it's just this
feeling of openness. That's a really good chance you're getting
(27:10):
good direction from your soul that that's the right next
step to take. That's what's ready to be investigated and explored.
That's the knowingness going go down this road. That's the
knowing this that said, go meet this guy at this
(27:30):
concert and ask him to produce your music. Yeah, you know,
I was terrified, but I was also like, you know
it on from the gut instinct. I gotta do this
no matter what. Yeah, okay, it is a training piece
(27:50):
that happens. Now you ask, why are the bulls so
helpful to this? Because when we are working with crystalline
sound specifically, there is a full body entrainment and the
sound and vibrational frequencies themselves bring us into a state
(28:13):
of heart coherence. And it doesn't take a whole lot
of time for this to happen. So I tell people,
you know, if you want an experience of this, you
literally you can put my music on for about three
to five minutes. I've watched this so many times. I
(28:35):
will see when I first did my albums and you
could walk into bookstores where they had, you know, the
music playing, and they would be playing my music and
I would watch people walk into the store. They would stop,
They'll go like yeah, and you would see their energy
just begin to change in seconds from hearing. Now, that's
(29:01):
the effect of the music, and a lot of different
kinds of music has that effect on us. And the
same thing with the Bulls. I've seen this for twenty
five years, bringing in the sound of a bowl into
an environment and playing that, and particularly when it's played
(29:21):
with a very committed intention for healing, for quieting the mind,
for opening up the space to connect with spirit, just
of love, you know, genuine love, then you will see
people make a shift, usually between three and five minutes.
(29:45):
So here we are we going too that state of
car coherence, and then our energy feel begins to expand
and then we literally can step outside of that conditioned mind,
that program. We can. I said it in a way
I never said it before to one of my students.
(30:06):
It's like, let's just say you had your thought forms
and your belief systems with this really really tight weave, okay,
and it was woven, it was all it was right
in your field and the physical and the mental, the
emotional body. There's this tight weave of emotions, of thought forms,
of trauma. And then when you play vibrational healing with
(30:29):
the Bulls, there's like the weed just begins to open
like this. And as it starts to open, you know,
you like that little space in there, and your energy
goes out that space, and now you're like floating outside
the weave, right or soul spirit guidance now has a
(30:53):
space where it can get through. Now you're open, and
how do you know? It's Oh, I'm thinking about doing
such and such, and what do you think, my soul,
my beloved soul, what do you think about this? My angels?
What do you think? How do you feel about that?
(31:15):
What if I did this? Is it even possible? Right? Yeah?
And so that guidance has the space to come into us,
and we have the space to create a space between
the tension, the contraction of our conditioned mind and what's
(31:37):
possible beyond. That's what I think the walls do.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Oh my gosh, seriously, a Seana, I feel like crying
right now. I feel like crying right now. The truth
of that, it just is so profound, and honestly I
experienced it myself. I just want to say this in
case other people are struggling too with hard things, right,
(32:03):
hard decisions made, not just going up on stage and
talking to somebody that you're scared of talking to you,
but big life decisions. So as you were speaking, it
reminded me last year I went through a divorce and
I knew, I knew that it was the right thing,
but it was terrifying, and all of the things that
had to be put into place to move forward out
(32:26):
of that and onto the next part of my life
was overwhelming. But every time I dropped into heart coherence,
I call it dropping into my heart it was.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Truth was there, and I.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Can see how having that resonance of the crystal bowls
would have helped me stay there, because here was my experience.
It was okay, this is the truth. Oh no, but nope,
drop in again, what's the truth, Maria? Okay, but oh
my god, this is okay.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's dropping. So it was that, and I.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Can see how having your music on or even going
to a crystal healing experience would have helped me just
stay in that heart coherence space much easier. It's a
difficult thing, and I think you know, one of the
(33:24):
one of the things Maria I would say is we
don't it's hard to stay.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
There, and we don't have to stay there. We're not
going to stay there, So we just got to know
we're not gonna stay there, We're gonna hop out. It's
just good to know how to come back. Yeah, and
what are our what are our tools that we have
available to us where that will help us come back.
(33:53):
And sometimes it's going to be listening to you know,
Crystal Ball music, or you know, listening to a Shaana
or Sonatum or you know, different artists or things that
resonate with us. You know, sometimes it's going to be
I need to take a walk. Sometimes it's going to
be I need to take a bath. Sometimes it's going
(34:17):
to be I need to call a friend. Sometimes I
need to sit meditate. You know, we just need to
gather all those pieces together. I really understand this. My
husband was very very ill for a couple of months
this year and last month he was hospitalized three times.
(34:40):
And inside of this and there was a part of
me and it was kind of close, we were on
the edge. There was a part of me that was
like and it was almost I couldn't even speak to
it because it was such a you know, my life
(35:02):
is going like this. And what I had to do
and I disciplined myself to do this every morning is
I got up, I went for a long walk. I
listened to things that teachings that really raised my frequency.
(35:28):
I came back into the house, I meditated, and I
played my bulls and it's like, okay, now I can
go to the hospital. Yep. An hour and a half
drive to the hospital, I listened to uplifting, vibrational chamting
and podcasts that would just you know. So it was
(35:55):
this combination of things again, like as I spoke too earlier,
you know, we find this way that's gonna okay. I'll
put this little puzzle together called myself Nurturing, and it's
got this piece in it and this one and this
one and this one put all together, and this is
(36:16):
gonna support me in that. And you can't have bowls
playing all the time. I mean, I have my playlist
of people you know that I listened to, you know,
because because I it's you know, I don't listen to myself.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
God.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I can remember Thomas and I were laughing one day.
He was he was in a in a store and
I mean in a cafe and and he hears this
music playing.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
He goes, Wow, that guy's really good. Production's really awesome.
It's like do this and this and this, and then
it took him a while he realized that he'd produced.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
That forgot about. And I understand this, you know, because
like that's not the music that's none on my playlist.
I've got other things that I listen to. And then
of course there are things that are on my playlist
that I listen to that are mine, but mostly it's
other people. But anyway, right, I love.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
What you're What you're inferring here is that, yes, crystal
bulls in crystal healing can enhance these things and use
it as part of your own personal prescription for enhancing
your intuition and inner guidance.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I love that. Absolutely. There's no one stop anything. Allopathic
medicine is not a one stops you know. Therapy is
not a one stop. You know. Sound healing is not
a one stop. Yoga is not a one stop.
Speaker 7 (37:50):
It's like, and when we get caught and we depend
on those all those things to be able to provide
everything for us, you know, that's when we get stuck,
you know, so we have to and we stop growing.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
So if we can have an open mind and say,
what is it that I need right now? What's going
to nurture and nourish me in this moment. You know,
when I find spiritual mentors and teachers that have that
kind of an attitude, that are that are not wholly
focused on their one tradition, man, my eyes go open
(38:26):
like this, and I'm really paying attention to them because
they have something to offer. They are It's like the
Dalai Lama, you know, just a question, question, question, question,
and don't do it until it feels good. I'm paraphrasing
that's right, well, and that's another thing, right, tuning into
what feels right to you, and that's how you can trust.
I actually prescribe, prescribe people to play with this right
(38:51):
because sometimes it's hard to know what is my body
telling me, what is my intuition telling me, what is
the truth? What does feel expansive, what does feel contracting?
I don't know, and so playing around.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
With it is really good. Try out listen to the
piece at the end of this at the end of
this podcast, and feel your body. Does it feel like
a yes, does it feel like a no?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Feel it see? Yeah? Yeah, so great.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I have one more question for you, if we can.
We've been talking about this consciousness and ethereal things really
and I just want to highlight that I had an
experience with crystal singing bowls, only one in person experience
that was before COVID and then everything shut down and
(39:37):
I just didn't do it again. But a friend of
mine invited.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Me to go to this.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Crystal healing experience and it was sixty minutes of being
in a room with crystal singing bowls and she used
chimes or bells of some kind over each body. Okay,
is that what that is? I? Hey, Shauna, I felt
like I had an hour long massage, Like my body
(40:05):
was affected, not just my mental health or my body.
What what's happening? What happened with that? What is happening
with the body that it's affectedself? Well, you're releasing stress.
Remember we talked about coming into that state of coherence,
heart coherence. You know, just think about all of those
sounds and training every cell in your body, okay, and
(40:30):
all the cells of the body.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
You're going, Oh, I'm feeling better now. Oh I can
dig a breath, Oh I can relax. And then remember
there are little receptors on all the cells that once
one feeling or emotion is triggered, it just kind of
goes to all the neighboring cells. And so now you're
having vibration, intentional vibration, vibration which we hope is being
(40:56):
transmitted with a deep sense of love, respect, prayers, and
affirmations for healing, either internally or you know, spoken by
the group. You're creating a group collective experience which is saying,
you know, we are here for our for our healing,
we are here for our wholeness. We are we are
(41:18):
calling in the team where we're we're invoking the presence
of the divine healing angels, of of of our soul's guidance,
of all the healing angels that are available to us,
the master teachers that are available us, and the room literally begins,
I swear to because I've seen it. It just begins
filling up with these beings of light. And there is
(41:41):
an activation of all the energy bodies in the field
as the body moves into a deeper state of coherent
harmonic resonance literally from the root chakra all the way
to the crown and to all the the chakras above
and even some of the chalkras below, and there is
a relaxation so there is no resistance the body moves
(42:04):
into deeper and deeper states of relaxation without resistance. Right,
nobody's touching you. If the sounds are played well, then
the sounds are very, very soothing. They're very nourishing. And
the more and more and more you relax, the more
the body says, Oh, well, I don't need that pain.
(42:24):
I can just look go on that pain. Yes. I've
had situations where people come to my concerts right and
have had you know, stuff Literally, they watched stuff shoot
out of their organs. We've had situations where there have
been tumors released and blockages, intestinal blockages released, chronic pain
(42:52):
that's been held in the body, you know, leaves. I
was referring to this at the beginning of our interview
where working with one of my students last week and
working with her with vocal sound and a profound neck
pain that she had been dealing with for months, and
(43:16):
she wrote me forty eight hours after our session and
she said that the pain reduction was dramatic. So, when
sound is so powerful, it is such a powerful healing modality,
and when sound is relayd oftentimes the the the what
(43:40):
is underneath I put it that way, what's underneath the condition,
either the pain, the illness, the whether that's mental, whether
it's emotional, whether it's physical, whether it's the trauma, there
is something under there, and when we can get relaxed enough,
(44:01):
when the body relaxes enough, and we are willing open
to reflect and be witnessed to from a real state
of neutrality, and sound can help us reach that neutral state.
When we can see that, we can reflect upon whatever's
(44:22):
underneath there. And the moment we start that gentle reflection,
hopefully gentle, then it can unwind. It cannot go. And
sometimes it's just you know, the tension of the pain
that's that's instigating all of that or behind it all,
and we can experience the sound and vibration, and minutes
(44:48):
later the pain is gone. I've had many, many, many
people over the years tell me that just listening to
my music has relieved chronic pain almost instantly. I have
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
I will never forget that session. I don't know why
I haven't been back, honestly, but now I have your
music to listen.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
To, so well, you can do that, and then you
can and you can you know, there's a beautiful thing
about the combination of both those things. So that you know,
when you go to a live experience and you have
that and then and then let's say you can't get
back for two weeks or you can't back for three weeks.
You know, what do you what do you look for? Well,
(45:28):
you find the music that is designed to do that.
And that's one of the reasons why we created the
music for as Celestial Alignment for Healing, of which you
have a couple of excerpts from that, so that people
can have that experience where you can just put it
on your headphones, you can lay back and just allow
(45:52):
yourself to receive. So headphones can and music can be
as potent and sometimes more potent than a live experience. Yeah,
you know, because you know, when you get into the
studio and you can you can create the best of
the best of the best of the best of that.
(46:13):
And that's at least what Thomas and I do. You know,
it's finding the best of the best of the best,
then real magic can happen. Yeah. So yeah, live absolutely,
recorded absolutely and they're like, you know, you know right
in the left hand.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Oh yes, well that is going to be my own
personal prescription, thank you, along with Crystal Healing, like listening
to your music when I'm doing an actual crystal healing
on myself. It just is part of my I track
everything that I'm that I'm doing every crystal session, and
that's in the treatment portion of my crystal healing is
(46:55):
a Shauna. I'll name the particular track. And I just
love you. I just love you, Sean. I'm just saying,
I just love you.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Thank you, Maria.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
I appreciate you so much and your wisdom and your insights.
Thank you so much for moving through the tech struggles
with me today and sharing of yourself today.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
I really appreciate you. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Thanks for joining the Reluctant Medium podcast today. I hope
you found this episode helpful. You can connect with me
at the reluctantmedium dot us.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Where you can find lots of free content.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
As well as readings. All links are also in the
show notes. Thanks so much again for joining today.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
I will see you next time.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
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