In this episode of the Reluctant Medium Podcast, Dr. Maria Rothenburger is joined by two of her favorite guests, Will Rodriguez and Karen Endsley. The discussion dives into Will's personal journey from a breakdown to a breakthrough with meditation and self-reflection, eventually leading to the creation of the Skeptic Metaphysician podcast. The trio delves into the formation of New Reality TV, an innovative network aimed at raising the planet's vibrations through diverse content on metaphysical practices. They discuss the impact of harmonizing energies, the power of small positive actions, and the importance of nurturing one's physical and spiritual self. Will and Karen share their personal strategies for maintaining balance and spreading positivity, emphasizing the significance of community and shared intentions. Tune in for an inspiring conversation filled with high-energy insights and practical advice for personal growth and collective well-being.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I had a breakdown. I had to take time off
of work. I looked at myself in the mirror. Did
not like who I was. I found what I realized
when I actually when all the walls came down and
I stood there naked in front of the mirror, seeing
myself for the first time, probably in my life. I
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did not like what I saw. I was incredibly judgmental,
very angry, very self entitled. There was a typical television
executive kind of guy. And I almost lost Karen, I
almost lost my daughter, I almost lost my career. I
almost lost everything. Somehow, the universe was so kind to
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me and dropped the perfect person in my lap. Reintroduced
me to meditation, which it took to immediately like a
fish to water, and then that opened the door to
further conversation with myself.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Welcome to the Reluctant Medium, where we covered the gamut
of out there conversations with an open mind and a
curious heart. We want to talk about it all, from
psychic phenomenon energy medicine, to beings from other star systems
and out of body experiences. You'll find a great balance
between grounded, science backed topics and others that science hasn't
(01:15):
quite caught up to yet. I'm your host, doctor Maria Rothenberger,
a psychotherapist by trade and a reluctant spirit baby communicator.
And hey, even though I'm a medium, I'm not buying
everything folks are selling. I just have a voracious appetite
to know more about what I call the world of
the weird. Join us on your favorite podcast platform or
watch on YouTube at the Reluctant Medium.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I'll see you there.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the Reluctant Medium podcast. I'm
doctor Maria Rothenberger, your host for the podcast, and I
have once again I just said before two of my
favorite people on the planet. Will Rodriguez and Karen Ensley.
They are the skeptic Well, I think Will is more
the skeptic metaphysician, right, Karen's more like I think I
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think this ship's real.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, we can dive into.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I get to work with these two on TV shows.
You all know about our beautiful TV network that we're
going to be talking about more today and and other
things too. We're kind of like going for the ride
in today's interview. There's just so much rich stuff to
talk about, but the main purpose again what we were
talking about before of our work together is to infuse
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the planet with some high vibration stuff because it's pretty
much a shit show right now.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Hi, what I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I know.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Wait a minute, everything sunshine and rainbow right right?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Anyway, welcome Will and Karen.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Hi, Hi, thanks for having us. Yeah, this is fun.
It's always a pleasure being there.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Likewise, Yeah, let's infuse some good energy onto the planet
today with this, with this chat and this good conversation.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, I had you on two years ago. Now I
don't know when.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It was only been two years. It feels like it's
been forty. I know, there was so much just happened
between then and now.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
It's true though, It's true.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Oh, back then we actually highlighted how to be a
healthy skeptic, right, because this is this is who you are,
right You think things through first and gather some evidence
and things. And now I'm curious if things are different
changed where you are.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
With skeptic stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, that's a great, great place to start, because we've
got a level set. Excuse me. In their intro you
talked about the fact that I was a skeptic and
you're not. Wrong. I've always talked about the importance of
being discerning in terms of of I mean, especially in
this industry or vertical whatever we want to call it.
There's a lot of folks that are out there to
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trying to just flee someone for their money. And where
I was growing up, where I grew up, right, there
are a lot of people like that, So you learn
to become much more pragmatic. However, the show has been
on the air for about four years now, and over
the course of the last four years, there have been
things that have happened, conversations, I've had experiences that I've
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gone through that make me go, yeah, this shit is real,
this is no there's no doubt, right, there's no skepticism
in me anymore. So there was a point where we
actually were going to talk. We talked about changing the
name of the show because I no longer find myself
resonating with the term skeptic. But everyone knows the show
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is a skeptic metaphysician, so it'd be how difficult, like
we have to rebrand everything and justugh know. So what
we decided was it made perfect sense when we talked
it through. It's like, you know what we've always done
the show, not always. I first did the show for me,
but eventually we started doing the show for those people
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out there that need these types of messages. We're doing
it for others, and all the messages we've gotten has
been thank you for helping me, thank you for you
help me feel normal, all these kinds of things. Right,
But we've always done it with a way, in a
way that makes people find an easy way to wrap
their minds around some of these concepts. They are so
wo that people go, wait, that's bullshit, that's great, crazy,
(05:32):
bad shit. So with the advent of quantum physics and
all this kinds of stuff, it's things are more dicey
in that's frame now. So we have decided to keep
the name of the show as is because we may
no longer be the Skeptic Benevusicians, but our audience is
oh yeah, And so the Skeptic Musicians is now named
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in honor of those that are listening to the show.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I know, there's so many things that have happened. Even
I learned from your show about the Harmonic Egg.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, I loved the Harmonic Egg so much.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Right, right, Okay, briefly, can we just say what I
talked about it on my show, But briefly, what what's
what do you know of the harmonic egg?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Gosh, well, we've been we've both been in it a
few times. We've had our daughter, we've had my sister. Like,
we just get everyone in those eggs if we can.
But the most intense experience I had was I actually
was taking my sister in what is it? Oh? What
is a harmonic eg? It's it's an egg that's harmonic. Now,
it's it's a woman that's constructed. She was an engineer
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and started studying frequencies and energies and decided to create
an environment that would really kind of bring all of
that in and together and kind of in an intense situation.
And so it's the shape of an egg, and it's
made with specific I believe it was all of all
almost olive oil wood, all of the tree wood, because it's
a very spiritual wood and that Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful.
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You go inside and it's not anything tiny and you
could do a jumping jacket. That's that's for me. The
I have a little bit of claustphobia, So I'm like,
if I can move my arms, you can do a
jumping jack. That's all the space I but it's bigger
than that. It has a chair inside that is a recliner.
And so you go inside to this little egg and
the part of the process is the person puts you
in the egg and she like nestles you with these blankets,
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and it's like it's very Yeah, you're like in this
little egg. You know, you're like a little baby chicken
or something. Yes, you are. And she Prior to that,
there's a consultation. They ask you about, you know, all
kinds of questions about yourself. So she, based on that
picks out music and color. So when you're in, so
the door closes, but you can still see light around it,
so you don't ever feel like, you know, you're trapped,
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but you hear this music and these different lights kind
of kind of come and change, and it's just this incredible,
very very relaxing experience. But the energy is working the sound,
the light, and the particular one that we went into,
the lady that runs that place said that she she
sees entities. There's a four entities like doctors outside of
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the egg, working inside the egg with you. She was outside. Wow,
maybe maybe they go inside. I don't know, it's been
a while. Maybe inside. But these four entities that work
on you while you're in the egg.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Wow, So yeah, pretty woo stuff. Right. If I was
still a skeptic, I'd be like, come on right, right exactly.
But we've had these incredible experiences by going to the egg, Like,
there's no question that this thing is in fact a
healing methodology that works. We have absolutely tangible proof, speaking
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of I mean COVID alone, with Karen's experiences and my
daughter Siena's experience, I mean it literally made them feel
better within twenty four hours. I mean, it's it's it's outstanding.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
But it was that after COVID experience that just floored me.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, it's crazy, and it is such a it's a
thing that's like what Yeah, But I found a place
here close ish, it's like an hour away, and I
was like, I'm taking my son who has epilepsy.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I took him.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And by the way, if you have children and they
don't want to sit in this egg by themselves, you
get to go in with them.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
We cuddled up together in that recliner and he picked
the colors that were in there.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And his epilepsy.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
He still has breakthrough little seizures every day. Those quieted
down for a significant period of time. I want to
say at least two weeks. It's been a while, but
we we haven't gone back because it's so far away.
But then she did say, here's another WU y distance
(09:46):
right how from Afar.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yes, they've had cases of uncommunicative kids going into the
egg and coming back speaking. I mean, it's it's it's
not standing thing. Yes, yes, absolutely. We interviewed the the
and the person, the founder, the person, the creator. Yes,
thank you, and I mean she was giving us all
these stories of things and we were like, come on
(10:10):
this before we experienced it, but the here's here's the thing.
It is a very WU thing. However, in the interest
of helping our audience wrap their minds around it, there
is proven research that has been done on the impact
of color and sound on the human body. So this
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is an intense bombardment of both. Those types of energies
do absolutely help the human body in myriad ways. So
just for that alone, if you don't want to believe
in the WU, believe in the science and science has
shown that color and sound do have a sound a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
In medical processes to obliterate kidney stones or one of
those type of stones, Yes, and in different things.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
So yeah, they do. And there's a ton of research
on distance healing too. How aspective it is, so it's.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Unfortunate it's done as mainstream, which is what we're trying
to do with reality TV, right, We're trying to create
more mainstream information here.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It is science y and right.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It's incredible how people will so readily believe in the
Internet radio that's just energy and waves, but it works.
Obviously we're looking at each other right now, but you know,
thinking of reiki or something like, oh that's woo, Houn's
it different.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I just read an article where researchers might have found
the first was it the first noticeable or the first
recordable evidence of string theory? Right, for those quantum physicists
out there, there's a theory there claims that, yes, the
building blocks of everything are these strings that vibrate in
(11:51):
different wavelengths. And we've all talked about the energies of
the vibrations in how we are all energy and things
like that, but no one's understood how this comes to be.
Apparently they just might have found the first evidence of
string theory, like physical tangible evidence. This type is really
exciting to me, right because that's when my mind is said,
(12:13):
and you talk about distance, right, the whole theory of
quantum entanglement, which has now been proven, is not a theory.
It is a fact of entanglement.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That they separated a particle. I think it's fourteen miles apart.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Spooky action at a distance.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, they separated fourteen miles apart, and then they affected
one particle and measured how long it took for the
other particle to have that effect. It was instantaneous. It
is proven stuff that when you think it through suddenly
it helps you wrap your mind around some of these
WU concepts. It's not that wou if you look at
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it from that perspective.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Right right and here, And I love that you're appealing
to the skeptic folks that are still listening to the
show by the name. But it sounds like you are
still the discerning.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I'm always that's just who I am. I'm always going
to be a discerning guy. Someone tells me, yes, I
can read your or I'm gonna go how like, are
you sure? Like what you been I've been drinking. How
many drugs have you done? You know, things like that.
But but I want to believe that that's the difference. Right,
I'm one of those guys that has always I've wanted
this stuff fascinates me, but I can't just accept it
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in hand.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Well, we come in kind of opposite angles because he's like,
give me the proof and that I'll watch. I'm like, oh,
let me see what it's like. And then then I'm like, okay, well,
how do you know? You know? So it's kind of
like the opposite right.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Somethime we're meeting in the middle. Now, we're like switching
places or something.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's why you go so well together, I'm going to
dive into that egg. Okay, wait, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
You want me to go where?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
And what?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Hang?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Oh my gosh, so much fun.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So how did you come to this idea? And why
did you come to this idea? We touched on it
a little bit of having a TV show network?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Why that? Why not? Why not that? No, it's it's
a really great question. Actually, we are in the television
industry by trade, that's what we are. We've TV producers
and executives. My entire career has been in the television
and film industry, and when we're doing the show, like
we said it was, it was a way for us
(14:24):
to help others eventually. I mean, for first, it was
to help me on when I got When I got better,
we were going to close it down, and because I
didn't need it anymore.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Well, and also it was taking so much time, and
you know how involved it is having a podcast and
the editing and the you know, recording and getting them
out there on that schedule, and it can really you know,
it's taken time away.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So we're gonna we're gonna sunset it. But Karen said,
before you do that, let me just look and see
if anyone's even listening to this thing, right, So she
did a Google search for the show and she found
Apple Podcasts. Now, I knew we were on Apple Podcasts,
but we were Newbiest does a podcasting scene, so we
didn't know that there was an actual place you could
see all the reviews that you were getting. And so
Karen was reading these reviews. Review after it is like
(15:08):
five pages of paragraphs of reviews saying how much this
is helping these people? And then making them feel normal
and helping them.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
That was Now there's that one guy and he's like,
the very last thing he said was thank you for
helping me to feel normal. And I'm like, we can't quit.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
How could you, yeah help? You're the source of my
scaling inspiration, I mean all these kinds of things. So
then like a light bulb went off. It was like,
oh my gosh. And she turned to me. She said,
if you're helping even one more person, you can't stop.
You can't quit the show. So we decided, okay, that
means that you are now my co host and you're
going to help. And then we found descript, which is
(15:46):
the program that we use for editing the show now,
which makes it so much faster, and it helped right.
So it showed us that when your motivations are in
the right place, the universe will provide for you what
you need to get, what you have to have to
move it forward. And so that's exactly what happened. And
then we I'm sorry, I don't want to steal your analogy,
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so if you want.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
To go ahead steals it.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I know this is such a great analogy, but I
give credit where credit is due. This is not mine,
This is Karen's. But it's really cool thought, right, So
they so we think of us as a little candle
in the in a huge room full of darkness, and
off in a distance, you see all these little, other
little flickers of candles everywhere, but none of the candles
(16:34):
are really doing much to pierce that darkness. So what
if we brought all these candles together into one room
and created this huge, bright, beautiful beacon that will undoubtedly
pierce the darkness. That is what New Reality TV is
all about.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Ah So, uh, sit there for a minute.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yes, I love that. That's such a great analogy. Yeah,
And how could you know when you have the potential
of you make me feel normal from.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Other people and something that we realized and I'm sure
you've had the same you know, you meet with these people,
and you talk to these people all over the world
practicing so many different types of modalities, and they all
just want to help. You know, there was so much
love in every one of these conversations, and how could
you not want to surround yourself with these people and
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let everyone else have that experience as well. And that's
that's what we want to do. And the platform is
great for people that believe in this stuff, for people
that are interested that, even people that think it's a
bunch of hogwash, they can come in and they can
learn something and they can even just feel the energy
just just immersing yourself in that situation, and that energy
is really incredible. We have a monthly meeting with our
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content partners and after everyone I am just I can
be having the worst day and I come out of
those meetings just jazzed and like, Yeah, this is fantastic
because everyone there is just wanting to share the light,
They love their energy and to help people, And how
can you not feel great in that?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, we can't help but think that we were all
positioned all across the globe because New Reality TV is
an international venture. It's not an American one in its entirety.
It's founded here, but we have content purdas from all
over the globe, and the more we talk to people,
the more we like you are really far away from us,
but as is Mark Wiseman who's in Alaska, and Saaru
(18:27):
Dah who's in Thailand, and the Munsons who are in Portugal. Right,
we're all over the globe. Can't help but feel that's
by design. We are strategically placed across the planet in
different places so that our flames can then ignite those
people in our immediate area. And when you unite all
those flames together, we will cover the planet with these messages,
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with these flames of inspiration and hope and love that
will drive these messages forward and will help pierce this
gunk that we are mired in right now. Right, there's
so much fear being thrown at us all the time,
left and right. We want to be a place where
people can go and go, Okay, I'm home, I'm good,
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this is good. That That is what we're trying to
do with New Reality.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Who what a goal?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I mean Jesus?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, high expectations.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Right when you get that, when you think of it
that way, yeah, it's a little all nerving. But but
we just take it a step at a time, right,
one content partner at a time. All we can do
is what we can do, and the key there is
in the intention. The intent is to help.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
If we set the bar really high compared to where
we are now, even if we don't hit it, we're
still going to be above where we are now.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, one of the Conversations with God books that I
am a huge fan of from Neil Donald Walsh specifically,
and I just read this morning. So funny, there's no coincidences.
I've literally just read this passage this morning. It says
that higher energy beings or higher vibrational beings don't necessarily
do things for a result. They do it because the
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act of doing it is what is the joyous thing
for them to do. So for us, it's not the
end result. It is the act of us standing this
up and running it day to day. That's what feeds
our soul and whether or not this gets to be
a million dollar thing or it's just the three of us,
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the act of us putting it together is an act
of service for us. That is making us feel right
with ourselves.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well, so many people on the planet are like, I
need to do something.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
What can I do? I feel so useless?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And this is one area that you're doing. You are
doing the things well we're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
One of the other important aspects beyond just having a
network where people can come and watch these shows is
the community that we're building. And so we have a
we call it the Inner Circle, where our content partners
can connect with each other, you know, as you know,
being on each other's show. Some of them are even
meeting up in person, which is fantastic. We've got our
Thai Buddhist monk that's going to meet with our Alaska shaman.
(21:21):
It's just they're so in person there are I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Don't have to say a word, just be in their
presence and you're like, oh.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
My god, totally absolutely yes.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
And then we're extending that. We do have a membership
program because we are you know, needing to cover our
bandwidth and things like that, but the upper level of
the membership we're going to have also an outer circle
so that people that come in and explore the space
and want to connect with these actual content partners will
have the ability to do so yeah, and really create
(21:51):
that community even more. It's like a little Spiderweb, a
little network that's just kind of taken over the whole.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
World, right, And that's really at the heart of it
that It's what we're building is a community is not
really TV network. The TV network is there, but the
community behind it is what's important to us. Because in
this boarder, we'll have like live demonstrations and classes and
workshops and we just had a summit a few months ago,
and there's a lot of that. We want to build
a place where people can feel like they belong, and
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the TV side of it is just the entryway into
a bigger space that we feel is really the mission
behind it all.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
And the more people see and even if they're just
talking about it, at least they're talking about that and
not politics, it just changes the dialogue, which is the
beginning it does.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I want every listener watcher right now to imagine watching
your favorite Netflix something and being able to then go
to an outer circle and connect with those people.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yes, exactly, and that is exactly what Yeah, you can. Yeah,
I think Walter Doggers would be like, Okay, enough, get
this guy stalker. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
That is such a beautiful, beautiful goal slash process. Right,
And I'm thinking about now, I'm so in the metaphysical
realm thinking particles and waves. Now, I'm like, oh, now,
those kennels are particles in waves, like.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Oh, exactly anyway, and only in the act of viewing
them do they actually exist in that Ah, yes.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
There we go on the new reality TV.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
That exactly. There's a visual component that makes it make
it makes it actually run, make it happen.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I should say the subscription prices are not astronomical.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Oh they're crazy, Yeah, they're crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I know they're crazy. Cheap are a little bit crazy.
And I'm a psychotherapist.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I can you can it's crazy officially diagnosed. I had
a feeling, but now we know. Sure.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, but want we want. We don't want the price
to be a barrier of entry, right. Our goal is
to get the messages out. We do have expenses, like
Karen has said, that we've got to cover, so it's
got to be We would love to do this full time.
This is what we're being called to do full time,
but until it gets up on its feet, we can't yet.
So but until that happens, we feel that the benefit
(24:22):
is in keeping it as low as possible so that
people can can have access to all this stuff and
you can either I think that the low price model
is like seven bucks or something like that. Right, it's
and you get weekly new episodes. Every week, you get
like twelve or thirteen or fifteen new episodes of different shows.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, then talking here, No, No, we've got high quality.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We've got over six hundred hours of content on the
platform ready and we just launched in January, so tell
me about it. We have to populate those wow, manually. No,
but it's a labor of log No, donestly. But then
the then the upper version subscription or membership, whatever you
want to call it is it's eleven dollars a month
(25:09):
and it gives you access to eleven eleven right, eleven eleven. Yeah,
and it gives you access to all the content right
away so you can binge it all instead of having
to wait weekend, week out for the content. So it's
it's it's really.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
At that level. We'll also have access to the community
portal that we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And yeah, and if they pay for a year in advance,
they get a way steep discount, right. I think it's
one hundred and eleven eleven for the whole year. Yeah,
So I mean it's, uh, it's it's it's and then
there's other things to come with it. But you know,
why take up all your time to talk to.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
And just everyone go to new Reality TV dot com
right dot com? Yeah, that's it, and and check out
all the benefits. It really is such especially I mean,
like how much is psychotherapy? Well, I can tell you,
it's way more spend ye ye've been getting your your
daily hourly dose of reality TV. It's really it's really
(26:08):
just the energy. I've gotten to interview a few people,
including your your lovely selves, and it's just so beautiful.
It's just high high energy, high quality, high caliber content,
and folks so way worth it.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I can't sell it enough.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
So well, we believe that there's something for everyone. You know,
We've got astrology, channeling, we've got past life regressions, we
have shamanism, we have someone who reads your ancestors through
your eyes. We have you know, energetic kill, We've got
you name it, hypnotherapy, we've got it.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Lucid dreaming, astral projection, Yeah, all that kind of stuff.
So whatever whatever resonates with you, you're going to find
it there. And we're constantly looking for new content partners
to come on and bring a whole other perspective because really,
at the end of it, at the heart of it,
it's we're firm believers of many pass to one truth.
And just like our fingerprints are all individual snowflakes are
(27:01):
all never too alike, how can we possibly think that
our paths can be exactly the same one to the other.
We believe that every path is uniquely different, and the
best way to go about it is instead of saying
this is the truth, instead say here's all the possibilities
of truth. Which one seems to be the one that
calls to you. And by the way, you might want
(27:24):
to mix that one with this one and that one
over here too and bring him all together in too,
make your personal truth, or even if you.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Just need that relaxation. And we have meditations. Oh and
we have a fairly news show a woman who goes
out into the field and records the vibrations of plants
and makes music out of that. It's so cool.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Wild inspiration. Look it up and she actually plays the
music on the show. It's it's very it's remarkable.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Really, that's for me.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
We'll get it while it's hot. It just released, started
releasing last week, so there's a couple of episodes up
there and before it gets locked.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Get any mine mine. I'm going to get it. I'm
a plant person.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah.
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Speaker 3 (29:00):
I am curious.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
You said something earlier well that that struck me and
I wanted to come back to it. You said that
you first started I think it was the podcast. You
first started the podcast to help yourself.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yes, what was that? What needed?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Well, you're dressing. You're a mind counselor. You probably know
exactly what happened at an existential crisis. I had a breakdown.
I had to take time off of work. I looked
at myself in the mirror, did not like who I was.
I found what I realized when I actually when all
(29:39):
the walls came down and I stood there naked in
front of the mirror, seeing myself for the first time,
probably in my life. I did not like what I saw.
I was incredibly judgmental, very angry, very self entitled. There
was a typical television executive kind of guy. Okay, And
(30:00):
I almost lost Karen, I almost lost my daughter, I
almost lost my career. I almost lost everything had I not.
And I know COVID is a terrible thing for so
many people, and I don't mean to downplay that whatsoever,
but COVID is what saved me and save my family
(30:20):
because it forced me to look in the mirror like
that and then forced us to stay together and work
through things. And part of that was to go to
a mental health counselor who, somehow the universe was so
kind to me and dropped the perfect person in my lap,
who then introduced me to meditation, or reintroduced me to meditation.
(30:44):
I had looked into this stuff a long time ago
when I was in my twenties, but then reintroduced me
to meditation, which it took to immediately like a fish
to water. And then that opened the door to further
conversation with myself, opened up conversations with God again. I
would read passages from that in the morning after I meditated,
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and I would speak into my phone my thoughts on
what I had to just read, and I would put
that out into the world as a way to affirm
right my affirmations out there. Over time, they were getting
such to be so personal that I ended up taking
them down. But instead I reached out to the people
I knew back in my twenties when I was doing
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these researches and said, hey, I'm seeking I need to
figure out who I am, why I'm here, why this
stuff has been happening, what I need to do to
be the right the person I wants it to be.
So I would record these conversations I would have with people.
You can call them interviews if you want, but really
they were conversations with them, and those became the first
(31:48):
episodes of the Skeptic and Physician because I remember wanted
to believe, but I can't just believe that you are
channeling some alien baby because someone says so right, Yeah.
Those conversations were so profound to me that it helped
me to understand what was what had been happening, And
(32:11):
then of course coupled with the counseling that I did
with the with the with the doctor who literally saved
my life, I mean, doctor Jones. If she's listening right now,
I doubt she is, But how cool wuld that be?
Speaker 4 (32:21):
She was?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
But we are drawing, uh ye. So, so the show
was really a way for me to help me come
to terms with what I had discovered about me and
how to change that. Because the questions weren't just why
was I angry? Why was I self indulgent? Why was
I judgmental all the time? It was what caused me
(32:47):
to be that way and to be blind to it?
And how can I make it better so that I
don't become or slide back into that that person that
I was before. That's what the show was about.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Who that is so rich and deep And I'm really
curious then about if you can make connections around the
current state of the world. Right COVID was a broken
openness for you, your existential crisis broken openness for you?
(33:24):
Is there a way are you utilizing similar strategies or
are there suggestions that you have or things that both
of you, either of you are doing to manage the
current state of the planet, the whole planet. It's crazy
right now.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
One hundred percent, and it's getting crazier by the minute.
I had a conversation with someone the other day about this,
and I'll tell you what my belief system is now.
I'll pass the microphone on to Karen because I'm hugging
all of your time. What I believe.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Karen's like as usual.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I know, I know, I believe that the Earth is transitioning.
We're going from was a Capricorn, the age of Carapricorn
and Age of Aquarius, whatever it was. I know we're
going to the Age of Aquarius. Yes, every birth is messy,
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is difficult, it's ugly, it's challenging, it's really hard. And
we're going through a rebirth. The world, the planet is
going through a rebirth, and everyone on her is going
through a rebirth. And there are those that are fighting
the rebirth and making things ugly. They're digging in their
heels and saying no, no, I won't go, and others
(34:41):
who are saying, oh take me baby, I'm here ready.
Right the two factions are splitting apart faster and faster,
and neither one is looking at the other in any
way other than sheer disgusted. How could you possibly right?
What I have learned and Karen, I think will agree
with this is I don't have all the answers. I'm
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not right all the time. This is for her.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
This is for her, and we haven't recorded.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
And because because I've learned that through the course of
my growth period and I'm still growing, I will always
grow for the rest of my life. But I've learned
that I can't look at the other side of the
aisle and go, what the fuck is wrong with you?
I still do. I shouldn't, but I still do. But
(35:39):
at the end of it, all the days are the
best days for me, are the days where I go,
that's their that's their truth, that's their path, that's their thing.
I don't have to get involved. All I need to
focus is on me and my family. And as long
as we are good and we model that good, others
(35:59):
will see it and will BacT in turn. And if
you can do that with you and yourself, yourself, your
family and your friends and your people around you, and
then they do that for others a little bit, eventually
it's gonna spread like a wildfire and it's going to
burn out all that negativity and all that junk that's
(36:20):
out there that is fighting trying to put the fire out,
because that's what they're trying to do. That's not mistaken.
But I firmly believe that we are at a point
where we are going to split, and those that are
on one side will stay on this earth and the
ones that are on the other side will go to
(36:41):
a different one, and eventually it will work itself out.
I really believe that.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, there's the faith in that, the leaning into that.
I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
You can feel it.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
You can you can feel it, and you don't have
to be an EmPATH in order to feel that.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Step that. I love how you said every birth is messy.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
It's true, and that's exactly what we're going through.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Yeah, Karen, Karen, I can't disagree really with what he's saying.
I also see it so I have a degree in anthropology,
and I see it a lot as an evolution and
it's about survival of the fittest, but not in so
(37:29):
fact as you have to kill, you know, whatever the
stronger animal can eat the other one. I think there's
a mindset that feels like that's how it has to be.
But survival of the fittest can also be you know,
the story of the oak and the was it the
whatever twig that can or little plant that can bend
around bamboo? Yeah, I think that in that case it's different.
It's not being the hardest or the strong if it's
being the most flexible using the tools that you have
(37:51):
that might not even seem like tools. And I think
you have to be active in promoting this and modeling.
But even more so I try to try, I say,
because I don't always manage to, but I try to
always look for something, you know, when you're interacting with someone,
look for something that you know they've like, Like if
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you're at the seven eleven and there's always that person
that has like the nails that are up to here
and that I have fifteen different colors, and you know,
you know, I'm just saying, wow, your nails look fantastic.
Doesn't mean I like them, but you know they spent
time on it, you know, and that means something to them.
So for you to acknowledge something that they've done, it's
like wow, and that little comment you just don't know
the effects it can have. And so so taking those
(38:35):
actions and sharing that love and you know, thinking about
looking at things the way the Dali Lama says. You know,
you don't know what someone else is going through during
the day. So if they cut you off in traffic,
maybe they're rushing off to the hospital. I mean, you
just don't know. So trying to use that mindset and
just spread those little little comments that are so easy,
they take nothing for you to do that, I think
(38:57):
is what's going to help to evolve and to make
it less of a war that's raging between the good
and the bad and more of an envelopment of love.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, it's interesting how something so tiny, right, like oh
my god, those nails girl.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yes, yeah, exactly, it spreads, it does.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
But you know, when you think about it, the only
way that you can be in a mind space to
be able to do that, to think about saying something
to that girl with the nails, is to be at
peace within yourself.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
I think it can help you get a peace yourself,
but now you make yourself down bottom us Yeah yeah,
getting out to work out it sucks. I'm not a
morning person, but once I start doing that, I start
feeling better, you know, it's not that I just spring
up in the morning. I don't wake around in the
morning anymore. But I used to kind of work out
it all anymore. But when I did, it was in
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the morning, and I'm not a morning person.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
This is a perfect example of everyone thinks that Karen
and I are very much aligned in every way in
the thing in our thought problem that's about it, and
we're not at all. Because when she feels terrible getting
out to go work out, and then she feels better
as she's doing it, I feel terrible when I wake
up to work out, and they feel worse as I'm
(40:13):
working out. So it's a completely different odd effect for me.
But but for me it harkens back to who I
was before. If I'm not in the right mind space
inside myself, I don't find myself thinking positive thoughts about
anybody else either. Right, So for me, I've got to
be centered in myself and be ready to notice that
(40:39):
she had she went through so much effort to get
those nails done the way she's doing it. You know,
you are an angel walking on this planet, so it's
different you were perpetually in that state. I, however, might
have been more on the other side of the aisle
and trying to work our way up there.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Think about it this way. To get to that mind space,
you have to do it for yourself.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Well yeah, no, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Exactly either way, it's like an effort that you have
to do.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yes, yeah, the inertia, the inertia.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
By the way, I just want to stop, like highlight
this for a second, and I'm and I'm hoping that
this spreads far and wide.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
You know how the two of you have.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Your disagreements and you don't think exactly the same, and
yet there's an honoring Oh that makes sense. Oh, I
see where you're coming from from there.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
This is what we need.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Oh my god, thank you for that beautiful modeling of that.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yes, please more of that.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Doctor Briha. This was not always the way.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I believe it takes effort still, right especially.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And that's and that's why I said it was when
I was expressing my story. This was for Karen, because
she knows that I have sticky notes to this day
all over my office that say, you do not have
to always be right, your attachments are the cause of
all your issues. Don't have to win, You don't always
have to win right. These are. I know, these are
(42:07):
concepts that were completely foreign to me. Right, So this
is someone who has constantly strived to be the best
he can be. I'm super competitive into sales things. I'm
I mean, I'm work in the in the industry that
is cutthroat television world. I work for NBC, but it
is it is a cutthroat industry. So you you learn
to be go go go go go, and me over
(42:29):
everyone else because I'm going to win. It was a monumental,
earth shattering, life changing shift when I finally realized, actually,
when doctor Jones actually asked me, why do you feel
you always have to win? When it when it really
hit me, I went, oh my god, I can't work anymore.
(42:54):
I gotta And so that to this day is my
new mantra. I guess like, I don't have to win.
There's no reason I don't have to be right. If
you believe something that I think you're crazy for, why
do I have to believe that you're wrong? You're absolutely
right in your thought processes. It doesn't resonate with me,
(43:15):
but with you work. So that's freaking awesome.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
And I think for me, part of that is just
really recognizing the fact that everyone, no matter who they are,
how they act, how they respond to you or not,
is based on how they were brought up, what their
experience was, And you don't know, you don't know the
crap that people have gone through, and maybe them, you know,
cutting you off and flipping tho the word is like
so much better than their dad, who would have shot
(43:38):
you know. I mean, that's why I just don't know.
So I just try to always think about that. When
I get really angry about it, I'm like, Okay, i
don't know what shit they went through, but I'm glad
I didn't have that life, and you know, I'm fortunate,
so right, it helps, right.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Michael Singer talks about Sam Scarow's Wait. Sam scare is
a thought form that you have created in your mind
based on past experiences. So if every time you eat
the first time you ever ate a chocolate chip ice
cream cone, the pretty girl winked to even said you're
really cute. Now, every time you eat that ice cream,
you're gonna think I feel good right where in the
(44:13):
opposite the first time you ever had that chocolate chip
ice cream, a bully came and hit your hand and
the ice cream fell through and you started crying. And
now you're gonna stay away from chocolate chip ice cream
because you have this sam scare on your mind that
believes that every time that you eat ice cream cone,
bad things was gonna happen to you. To the point
where you create that, You make that happen, You create
(44:35):
that reality. And he uses your analogy of someone cutting
you off in traffic. When someone cuts you off in traffic,
we all get like why, because we're being competitive. We
have this thing that if they cut me off in traffic,
then he's gonna make me go slow. And they're not
gonna be weak for school, but it's for work because
that's what's happened to you in the past, when in essence,
what might be helpful to do is let him in
(44:58):
what possible harm can be done. So they slow you down,
so you slow you down. We all agree that everything
happens for a reason right in the space for the
most part, I believe we feel that everything happens for
a reason, for our great good. Maybe there was a
reason why you needed to go slow. Maybe there's an
accident hot waiting to happen. I'm mile down the road
that had you not let that person in you would
(45:19):
have been involved in, right, You just never know. So
breathing into these samscares and letting them go, that's a
life changer.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Oh my gosh, such I mean, yes, that literally just happened.
I was on vacation, and you know you now we
have Google maps, and I had Google Maps up and
I was chatting with my boyfriend and I missed a
turn and it was like, oh, I guess we're not
supposed to go that way.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Okay, it's just right.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Red, and it worked out. I don't know what we missed.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I don't know what we were, what we passed that
we were supposed to pass, I don't know, And you
know what, it's okay either way.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
I don't need to know. I just know that that happened.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
And for a reason, by the way, being cut off
on traffic is the is the first time I realized
that meditation actually works.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
I was very very similar to you.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Well, I was bitter and angry and this was one
my fertility issues, and I was just like, life is
bogus and this is stupid, and I'm going to prove
this shit wrong. And I started meditating, and ninety days later,
somebody I was in New Jersey at the time where
everything is like somebody cut me off and I went, oh,
I hope they're okay, And.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
I went, what the hell? Who am I even?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, it's amazing when you start. And actually this is
a question for you, Karen, the final question we're going to.
I just want to bring it back down to like
earth brass texting. I'm sorry, were called TORUSI person, No,
I love it.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
I love this, this.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Is I love the upper like ooh, we're going to
get wu and then bringing it back down to what
can people do now? But I have a specific question
for you, Karen, because I'm very like woo and up
in the clouds and also mental like thinking things through
and I'm very practical that way.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
But it wasn't until I.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Hired a nutritionist that my spiritual stuff, really mediumship, everything
just exploded. And I know you work with food. You're
a food person, right, nutritionist? Yes?
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Or you just have a nutritional therapy certification but I've
never used it. But I have a cooking show, so I.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Do, yes, right right right? You know things?
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yes, she does.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
I'm curious about that that like just eating well, like
how do I mean this supposed is both open to
both of you. But I'm curious about how you just
take care of yourselves your body, your physical body. We've
covered spiritual stuff, we've covered mental health stuff.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
What about your body, like, what.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Do you do?
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Unfortunately that seems to kind of be the last priority
for a lot lot of people, myself included. What has
helped us to stand as somewhat you know, decent track
is the fact that we have a daughter and I
want her to be healthy, and we like, for probably
her first ten twelve years, she had only organic food,
(48:17):
and I was very, very careful, and now she's like
out with her friends and you know, we all we're busy,
and you eat what you can. I mean, really, I
would do the best that you can, you know, So
on my cooking show, I do stuff that's quick, affordable,
and I'll get you out of the kitchen because a
lot of people just don't have time. But you want
to feed your family, well, so just just do your
best and don't be too hard on yourselves. Make what
(48:37):
you like, you know, find some produce that you really like,
and try every different type of way to prepare that,
because at least you're getting that and you'll know that
you like that, and they have so much more nutrients
than people realize.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yes, right, can you tell the effect? Like I know
when I I was just on vacation, right, and of
course vacation includes yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
In this South.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
How do you do it?
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Fry?
Speaker 4 (49:02):
God?
Speaker 2 (49:04):
So much of the fried stuff, and I know, I'm
like ooh cranky and like.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Yeah, and then I will whenever I got tea at
a restaurant every single time. The next morning I wake
up and I can't get my wedding ring off. I'm
so bloated and I feel bad, you know, but it's
one of those things where you just you run out
of time, and so we do it so much more
often than we should. But yeah, I can. I can
absolutely feel the difference. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
And then when you are feeling bloated and tired and
cranky and someone cuts you off on the.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Highway, exactly, it's or you're a vicious circle.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
You're not good within yourselves. You can't compliment the nails.
I'm telling you there's something that's.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
When you have to compliment the nails, you have to
know yourself. Compliment the nails make it very It's true though,
It's true because then it becomes part of who you are.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
I don't disagree. It's just harder for some of us
and others.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Yeah, it sounds both. It's like top down and bottom up.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I think this episode is going to be titled something
about nails complimenting.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Oh, it's always lovely to out with you too.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
As long as nails on a chalkboard, it would be good.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
I used to do that when I was a teacher.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
No, no, god, you want to I can't.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
Just thread it out. I can and they would, they
would like every math absolutely. You know.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Hey, thank you so much for being a part of
the Reluctant Medium. You guys again today, you guys are
You're just lovely and wonderful humans and good energy and
making a making a splash on the planet. It's so
grateful for you, and I'm happy to be a part
of it.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
So grateful.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
I was just going to say, we're grateful that you're
part of it. First of all, we're very grateful you're
part of it. We're very grateful that you brought it
on to talk about it, and we're very grateful that
you for the work that you're doing, because what you're
doing is helping a lot of people. So thank you
for what you do.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Seriously, yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you, just the
thank you.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
So we're going to have thank you wars here and
I know, all right, I'm sure I'll have you on
again sometime in the future.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Sounds.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Thank you for joining the Reluctant Medium podcast today. I
hope that this episode has brought you beautiful high vibration
and that it continues emanating from your heart space for
the rest of the day and beyond. Don't forget to
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Medium TV show on New Reality tv dot com. Until
next time, my friend, may you be well.
I had a breakdown. I had to take time off
of work. I looked at myself in the mirror. Did
not like who I was. I found what I realized
when I actually when all the walls came down and
I stood there naked in front of the mirror, seeing
myself for the first time, probably in my life. I
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did not like what I saw. I was incredibly judgmental,
very angry, very self entitled. There was a typical television
executive kind of guy. And I almost lost Karen, I
almost lost my daughter, I almost lost my career. I
almost lost everything. Somehow, the universe was so kind to
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me and dropped the perfect person in my lap. Reintroduced
me to meditation, which it took to immediately like a
fish to water, and then that opened the door to
further conversation with myself.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Welcome to the Reluctant Medium, where we covered the gamut
of out there conversations with an open mind and a
curious heart. We want to talk about it all, from
psychic phenomenon energy medicine, to beings from other star systems
and out of body experiences. You'll find a great balance
between grounded, science backed topics and others that science hasn't
(01:15):
quite caught up to yet. I'm your host, doctor Maria Rothenberger,
a psychotherapist by trade and a reluctant spirit baby communicator.
And hey, even though I'm a medium, I'm not buying
everything folks are selling. I just have a voracious appetite
to know more about what I call the world of
the weird. Join us on your favorite podcast platform or
watch on YouTube at the Reluctant Medium.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I'll see you there.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the Reluctant Medium podcast. I'm
doctor Maria Rothenberger, your host for the podcast, and I
have once again I just said before two of my
favorite people on the planet. Will Rodriguez and Karen Ensley.
They are the skeptic Well, I think Will is more
the skeptic metaphysician, right, Karen's more like I think I
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think this ship's real.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, we can dive into.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I get to work with these two on TV shows.
You all know about our beautiful TV network that we're
going to be talking about more today and and other
things too. We're kind of like going for the ride
in today's interview. There's just so much rich stuff to
talk about, but the main purpose again what we were
talking about before of our work together is to infuse
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the planet with some high vibration stuff because it's pretty
much a shit show right now.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Hi, what I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I know.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Wait a minute, everything sunshine and rainbow right right?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Anyway, welcome Will and Karen.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Hi, Hi, thanks for having us. Yeah, this is fun.
It's always a pleasure being there.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Likewise, Yeah, let's infuse some good energy onto the planet
today with this, with this chat and this good conversation.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, I had you on two years ago. Now I
don't know when.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It was only been two years. It feels like it's
been forty. I know, there was so much just happened
between then and now.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
It's true though, It's true.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Oh, back then we actually highlighted how to be a
healthy skeptic, right, because this is this is who you are,
right You think things through first and gather some evidence
and things. And now I'm curious if things are different
changed where you are.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
With skeptic stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, that's a great, great place to start, because we've
got a level set. Excuse me. In their intro you
talked about the fact that I was a skeptic and
you're not. Wrong. I've always talked about the importance of
being discerning in terms of of I mean, especially in
this industry or vertical whatever we want to call it.
There's a lot of folks that are out there to
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trying to just flee someone for their money. And where
I was growing up, where I grew up, right, there
are a lot of people like that, So you learn
to become much more pragmatic. However, the show has been
on the air for about four years now, and over
the course of the last four years, there have been
things that have happened, conversations, I've had experiences that I've
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gone through that make me go, yeah, this shit is real,
this is no there's no doubt, right, there's no skepticism
in me anymore. So there was a point where we
actually were going to talk. We talked about changing the
name of the show because I no longer find myself
resonating with the term skeptic. But everyone knows the show
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is a skeptic metaphysician, so it'd be how difficult, like
we have to rebrand everything and justugh know. So what
we decided was it made perfect sense when we talked
it through. It's like, you know what we've always done
the show, not always. I first did the show for me,
but eventually we started doing the show for those people
(05:08):
out there that need these types of messages. We're doing
it for others, and all the messages we've gotten has
been thank you for helping me, thank you for you
help me feel normal, all these kinds of things. Right,
But we've always done it with a way, in a
way that makes people find an easy way to wrap
their minds around some of these concepts. They are so
wo that people go, wait, that's bullshit, that's great, crazy,
(05:32):
bad shit. So with the advent of quantum physics and
all this kinds of stuff, it's things are more dicey
in that's frame now. So we have decided to keep
the name of the show as is because we may
no longer be the Skeptic Benevusicians, but our audience is
oh yeah, And so the Skeptic Musicians is now named
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in honor of those that are listening to the show.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I know, there's so many things that have happened. Even
I learned from your show about the Harmonic Egg.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, I loved the Harmonic Egg so much.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Right, right, Okay, briefly, can we just say what I
talked about it on my show, But briefly, what what's
what do you know of the harmonic egg?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Gosh, well, we've been we've both been in it a
few times. We've had our daughter, we've had my sister. Like,
we just get everyone in those eggs if we can.
But the most intense experience I had was I actually
was taking my sister in what is it? Oh? What
is a harmonic eg? It's it's an egg that's harmonic. Now,
it's it's a woman that's constructed. She was an engineer
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and started studying frequencies and energies and decided to create
an environment that would really kind of bring all of
that in and together and kind of in an intense situation.
And so it's the shape of an egg, and it's
made with specific I believe it was all of all
almost olive oil wood, all of the tree wood, because it's
a very spiritual wood and that Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful.
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You go inside and it's not anything tiny and you
could do a jumping jacket. That's that's for me. The
I have a little bit of claustphobia, So I'm like,
if I can move my arms, you can do a
jumping jack. That's all the space I but it's bigger
than that. It has a chair inside that is a recliner.
And so you go inside to this little egg and
the part of the process is the person puts you
in the egg and she like nestles you with these blankets,
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and it's like it's very Yeah, you're like in this
little egg. You know, you're like a little baby chicken
or something. Yes, you are. And she Prior to that,
there's a consultation. They ask you about, you know, all
kinds of questions about yourself. So she, based on that
picks out music and color. So when you're in, so
the door closes, but you can still see light around it,
so you don't ever feel like, you know, you're trapped,
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but you hear this music and these different lights kind
of kind of come and change, and it's just this incredible,
very very relaxing experience. But the energy is working the sound,
the light, and the particular one that we went into,
the lady that runs that place said that she she
sees entities. There's a four entities like doctors outside of
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the egg, working inside the egg with you. She was outside. Wow,
maybe maybe they go inside. I don't know, it's been
a while. Maybe inside. But these four entities that work
on you while you're in the egg.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Wow, So yeah, pretty woo stuff. Right. If I was
still a skeptic, I'd be like, come on right, right exactly.
But we've had these incredible experiences by going to the egg, Like,
there's no question that this thing is in fact a
healing methodology that works. We have absolutely tangible proof, speaking
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of I mean COVID alone, with Karen's experiences and my
daughter Siena's experience, I mean it literally made them feel
better within twenty four hours. I mean, it's it's it's outstanding.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
But it was that after COVID experience that just floored me.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, it's crazy, and it is such a it's a
thing that's like what Yeah, But I found a place
here close ish, it's like an hour away, and I
was like, I'm taking my son who has epilepsy.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I took him.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And by the way, if you have children and they
don't want to sit in this egg by themselves, you
get to go in with them.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
We cuddled up together in that recliner and he picked
the colors that were in there.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And his epilepsy.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
He still has breakthrough little seizures every day. Those quieted
down for a significant period of time. I want to
say at least two weeks. It's been a while, but
we we haven't gone back because it's so far away.
But then she did say, here's another WU y distance
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right how from Afar.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yes, they've had cases of uncommunicative kids going into the
egg and coming back speaking. I mean, it's it's it's
not standing thing. Yes, yes, absolutely. We interviewed the the
and the person, the founder, the person, the creator. Yes,
thank you, and I mean she was giving us all
these stories of things and we were like, come on
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this before we experienced it, but the here's here's the thing.
It is a very WU thing. However, in the interest
of helping our audience wrap their minds around it, there
is proven research that has been done on the impact
of color and sound on the human body. So this
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is an intense bombardment of both. Those types of energies
do absolutely help the human body in myriad ways. So
just for that alone, if you don't want to believe
in the WU, believe in the science and science has
shown that color and sound do have a sound a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
In medical processes to obliterate kidney stones or one of
those type of stones, Yes, and in different things.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
So yeah, they do. And there's a ton of research
on distance healing too. How aspective it is, so it's.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Unfortunate it's done as mainstream, which is what we're trying
to do with reality TV, right, We're trying to create
more mainstream information here.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It is science y and right.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It's incredible how people will so readily believe in the
Internet radio that's just energy and waves, but it works.
Obviously we're looking at each other right now, but you know,
thinking of reiki or something like, oh that's woo, Houn's
it different.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I just read an article where researchers might have found
the first was it the first noticeable or the first
recordable evidence of string theory? Right, for those quantum physicists
out there, there's a theory there claims that, yes, the
building blocks of everything are these strings that vibrate in
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different wavelengths. And we've all talked about the energies of
the vibrations in how we are all energy and things
like that, but no one's understood how this comes to be.
Apparently they just might have found the first evidence of
string theory, like physical tangible evidence. This type is really
exciting to me, right because that's when my mind is said,
(12:13):
and you talk about distance, right, the whole theory of
quantum entanglement, which has now been proven, is not a theory.
It is a fact of entanglement.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That they separated a particle. I think it's fourteen miles apart.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Spooky action at a distance.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, they separated fourteen miles apart, and then they affected
one particle and measured how long it took for the
other particle to have that effect. It was instantaneous. It
is proven stuff that when you think it through suddenly
it helps you wrap your mind around some of these
WU concepts. It's not that wou if you look at
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it from that perspective.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Right right and here, And I love that you're appealing
to the skeptic folks that are still listening to the
show by the name. But it sounds like you are
still the discerning.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I'm always that's just who I am. I'm always going
to be a discerning guy. Someone tells me, yes, I
can read your or I'm gonna go how like, are
you sure? Like what you been I've been drinking. How
many drugs have you done? You know, things like that.
But but I want to believe that that's the difference. Right,
I'm one of those guys that has always I've wanted
this stuff fascinates me, but I can't just accept it
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in hand.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Well, we come in kind of opposite angles because he's like,
give me the proof and that I'll watch. I'm like, oh,
let me see what it's like. And then then I'm like, okay, well,
how do you know? You know? So it's kind of
like the opposite right.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Somethime we're meeting in the middle. Now, we're like switching
places or something.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's why you go so well together, I'm going to
dive into that egg. Okay, wait, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
You want me to go where?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
And what?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Hang?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Oh my gosh, so much fun.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So how did you come to this idea? And why
did you come to this idea? We touched on it
a little bit of having a TV show network?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Why that? Why not? Why not that? No, it's it's
a really great question. Actually, we are in the television
industry by trade, that's what we are. We've TV producers
and executives. My entire career has been in the television
and film industry, and when we're doing the show, like
we said it was, it was a way for us
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to help others eventually. I mean, for first, it was
to help me on when I got When I got better,
we were going to close it down, and because I
didn't need it anymore.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Well, and also it was taking so much time, and
you know how involved it is having a podcast and
the editing and the you know, recording and getting them
out there on that schedule, and it can really you know,
it's taken time away.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So we're gonna we're gonna sunset it. But Karen said,
before you do that, let me just look and see
if anyone's even listening to this thing, right, So she
did a Google search for the show and she found
Apple Podcasts. Now, I knew we were on Apple Podcasts,
but we were Newbiest does a podcasting scene, so we
didn't know that there was an actual place you could
see all the reviews that you were getting. And so
Karen was reading these reviews. Review after it is like
(15:08):
five pages of paragraphs of reviews saying how much this
is helping these people? And then making them feel normal
and helping them.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
That was Now there's that one guy and he's like,
the very last thing he said was thank you for
helping me to feel normal. And I'm like, we can't quit.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
How could you, yeah help? You're the source of my
scaling inspiration, I mean all these kinds of things. So
then like a light bulb went off. It was like,
oh my gosh. And she turned to me. She said,
if you're helping even one more person, you can't stop.
You can't quit the show. So we decided, okay, that
means that you are now my co host and you're
going to help. And then we found descript, which is
(15:46):
the program that we use for editing the show now,
which makes it so much faster, and it helped right.
So it showed us that when your motivations are in
the right place, the universe will provide for you what
you need to get, what you have to have to
move it forward. And so that's exactly what happened. And
then we I'm sorry, I don't want to steal your analogy,
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so if you want.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
To go ahead steals it.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I know this is such a great analogy, but I
give credit where credit is due. This is not mine,
This is Karen's. But it's really cool thought, right, So
they so we think of us as a little candle
in the in a huge room full of darkness, and
off in a distance, you see all these little, other
little flickers of candles everywhere, but none of the candles
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are really doing much to pierce that darkness. So what
if we brought all these candles together into one room
and created this huge, bright, beautiful beacon that will undoubtedly
pierce the darkness. That is what New Reality TV is
all about.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Ah So, uh, sit there for a minute.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yes, I love that. That's such a great analogy. Yeah,
And how could you know when you have the potential
of you make me feel normal from.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Other people and something that we realized and I'm sure
you've had the same you know, you meet with these people,
and you talk to these people all over the world
practicing so many different types of modalities, and they all
just want to help. You know, there was so much
love in every one of these conversations, and how could
you not want to surround yourself with these people and
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let everyone else have that experience as well. And that's
that's what we want to do. And the platform is
great for people that believe in this stuff, for people
that are interested that, even people that think it's a
bunch of hogwash, they can come in and they can
learn something and they can even just feel the energy
just just immersing yourself in that situation, and that energy
is really incredible. We have a monthly meeting with our
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content partners and after everyone I am just I can
be having the worst day and I come out of
those meetings just jazzed and like, Yeah, this is fantastic
because everyone there is just wanting to share the light,
They love their energy and to help people, And how
can you not feel great in that?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, we can't help but think that we were all
positioned all across the globe because New Reality TV is
an international venture. It's not an American one in its entirety.
It's founded here, but we have content purdas from all
over the globe, and the more we talk to people,
the more we like you are really far away from us,
but as is Mark Wiseman who's in Alaska, and Saaru
(18:27):
Dah who's in Thailand, and the Munsons who are in Portugal. Right,
we're all over the globe. Can't help but feel that's
by design. We are strategically placed across the planet in
different places so that our flames can then ignite those
people in our immediate area. And when you unite all
those flames together, we will cover the planet with these messages,
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with these flames of inspiration and hope and love that
will drive these messages forward and will help pierce this
gunk that we are mired in right now. Right, there's
so much fear being thrown at us all the time,
left and right. We want to be a place where
people can go and go, Okay, I'm home, I'm good,
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this is good. That That is what we're trying to
do with New Reality.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Who what a goal?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I mean Jesus?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, high expectations.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Right when you get that, when you think of it
that way, yeah, it's a little all nerving. But but
we just take it a step at a time, right,
one content partner at a time. All we can do
is what we can do, and the key there is
in the intention. The intent is to help.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
If we set the bar really high compared to where
we are now, even if we don't hit it, we're
still going to be above where we are now.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, one of the Conversations with God books that I
am a huge fan of from Neil Donald Walsh specifically,
and I just read this morning. So funny, there's no coincidences.
I've literally just read this passage this morning. It says
that higher energy beings or higher vibrational beings don't necessarily
do things for a result. They do it because the
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act of doing it is what is the joyous thing
for them to do. So for us, it's not the
end result. It is the act of us standing this
up and running it day to day. That's what feeds
our soul and whether or not this gets to be
a million dollar thing or it's just the three of us,
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the act of us putting it together is an act
of service for us. That is making us feel right
with ourselves.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well, so many people on the planet are like, I
need to do something.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
What can I do? I feel so useless?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And this is one area that you're doing. You are
doing the things well we're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
One of the other important aspects beyond just having a
network where people can come and watch these shows is
the community that we're building. And so we have a
we call it the Inner Circle, where our content partners
can connect with each other, you know, as you know,
being on each other's show. Some of them are even
meeting up in person, which is fantastic. We've got our
Thai Buddhist monk that's going to meet with our Alaska shaman.
(21:21):
It's just they're so in person there are I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Don't have to say a word, just be in their
presence and you're like, oh.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
My god, totally absolutely yes.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
And then we're extending that. We do have a membership
program because we are you know, needing to cover our
bandwidth and things like that, but the upper level of
the membership we're going to have also an outer circle
so that people that come in and explore the space
and want to connect with these actual content partners will
have the ability to do so yeah, and really create
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that community even more. It's like a little Spiderweb, a
little network that's just kind of taken over the whole.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
World, right, And that's really at the heart of it
that It's what we're building is a community is not
really TV network. The TV network is there, but the
community behind it is what's important to us. Because in
this boarder, we'll have like live demonstrations and classes and
workshops and we just had a summit a few months ago,
and there's a lot of that. We want to build
a place where people can feel like they belong, and
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the TV side of it is just the entryway into
a bigger space that we feel is really the mission
behind it all.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
And the more people see and even if they're just
talking about it, at least they're talking about that and
not politics, it just changes the dialogue, which is the
beginning it does.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I want every listener watcher right now to imagine watching
your favorite Netflix something and being able to then go
to an outer circle and connect with those people.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yes, exactly, and that is exactly what Yeah, you can. Yeah,
I think Walter Doggers would be like, Okay, enough, get
this guy stalker. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
That is such a beautiful, beautiful goal slash process. Right,
And I'm thinking about now, I'm so in the metaphysical
realm thinking particles and waves. Now, I'm like, oh, now,
those kennels are particles in waves, like.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Oh, exactly anyway, and only in the act of viewing
them do they actually exist in that Ah, yes.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
There we go on the new reality TV.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
That exactly. There's a visual component that makes it make
it makes it actually run, make it happen.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I should say the subscription prices are not astronomical.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Oh they're crazy, Yeah, they're crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I know they're crazy. Cheap are a little bit crazy.
And I'm a psychotherapist.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I can you can it's crazy officially diagnosed. I had
a feeling, but now we know. Sure.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, but want we want. We don't want the price
to be a barrier of entry, right. Our goal is
to get the messages out. We do have expenses, like
Karen has said, that we've got to cover, so it's
got to be We would love to do this full time.
This is what we're being called to do full time,
but until it gets up on its feet, we can't yet.
So but until that happens, we feel that the benefit
(24:22):
is in keeping it as low as possible so that
people can can have access to all this stuff and
you can either I think that the low price model
is like seven bucks or something like that. Right, it's
and you get weekly new episodes. Every week, you get
like twelve or thirteen or fifteen new episodes of different shows.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, then talking here, No, No, we've got high quality.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We've got over six hundred hours of content on the
platform ready and we just launched in January, so tell
me about it. We have to populate those wow, manually. No,
but it's a labor of log No, donestly. But then
the then the upper version subscription or membership, whatever you
want to call it is it's eleven dollars a month
(25:09):
and it gives you access to eleven eleven right, eleven eleven. Yeah,
and it gives you access to all the content right
away so you can binge it all instead of having
to wait weekend, week out for the content. So it's
it's it's really.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
At that level. We'll also have access to the community
portal that we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And yeah, and if they pay for a year in advance,
they get a way steep discount, right. I think it's
one hundred and eleven eleven for the whole year. Yeah,
So I mean it's, uh, it's it's it's and then
there's other things to come with it. But you know,
why take up all your time to talk to.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
And just everyone go to new Reality TV dot com
right dot com? Yeah, that's it, and and check out
all the benefits. It really is such especially I mean,
like how much is psychotherapy? Well, I can tell you,
it's way more spend ye ye've been getting your your
daily hourly dose of reality TV. It's really it's really
(26:08):
just the energy. I've gotten to interview a few people,
including your your lovely selves, and it's just so beautiful.
It's just high high energy, high quality, high caliber content,
and folks so way worth it.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I can't sell it enough.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
So well, we believe that there's something for everyone. You know,
We've got astrology, channeling, we've got past life regressions, we
have shamanism, we have someone who reads your ancestors through
your eyes. We have you know, energetic kill, We've got
you name it, hypnotherapy, we've got it.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Lucid dreaming, astral projection, Yeah, all that kind of stuff.
So whatever whatever resonates with you, you're going to find
it there. And we're constantly looking for new content partners
to come on and bring a whole other perspective because really,
at the end of it, at the heart of it,
it's we're firm believers of many pass to one truth.
And just like our fingerprints are all individual snowflakes are
(27:01):
all never too alike, how can we possibly think that
our paths can be exactly the same one to the other.
We believe that every path is uniquely different, and the
best way to go about it is instead of saying
this is the truth, instead say here's all the possibilities
of truth. Which one seems to be the one that
calls to you. And by the way, you might want
(27:24):
to mix that one with this one and that one
over here too and bring him all together in too,
make your personal truth, or even if you.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Just need that relaxation. And we have meditations. Oh and
we have a fairly news show a woman who goes
out into the field and records the vibrations of plants
and makes music out of that. It's so cool.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Wild inspiration. Look it up and she actually plays the
music on the show. It's it's very it's remarkable.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Really, that's for me.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
We'll get it while it's hot. It just released, started
releasing last week, so there's a couple of episodes up
there and before it gets locked.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Get any mine mine. I'm going to get it. I'm
a plant person.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah.
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Speaker 3 (29:00):
I am curious.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
You said something earlier well that that struck me and
I wanted to come back to it. You said that
you first started I think it was the podcast. You
first started the podcast to help yourself.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yes, what was that? What needed?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Well, you're dressing. You're a mind counselor. You probably know
exactly what happened at an existential crisis. I had a breakdown.
I had to take time off of work. I looked
at myself in the mirror, did not like who I was.
I found what I realized when I actually when all
(29:39):
the walls came down and I stood there naked in
front of the mirror, seeing myself for the first time,
probably in my life. I did not like what I saw.
I was incredibly judgmental, very angry, very self entitled. There
was a typical television executive kind of guy. Okay, And
(30:00):
I almost lost Karen, I almost lost my daughter, I
almost lost my career. I almost lost everything had I not.
And I know COVID is a terrible thing for so
many people, and I don't mean to downplay that whatsoever,
but COVID is what saved me and save my family
(30:20):
because it forced me to look in the mirror like
that and then forced us to stay together and work
through things. And part of that was to go to
a mental health counselor who, somehow the universe was so
kind to me and dropped the perfect person in my lap,
who then introduced me to meditation, or reintroduced me to meditation.
(30:44):
I had looked into this stuff a long time ago
when I was in my twenties, but then reintroduced me
to meditation, which it took to immediately like a fish
to water. And then that opened the door to further
conversation with myself, opened up conversations with God again. I
would read passages from that in the morning after I meditated,
(31:04):
and I would speak into my phone my thoughts on
what I had to just read, and I would put
that out into the world as a way to affirm
right my affirmations out there. Over time, they were getting
such to be so personal that I ended up taking
them down. But instead I reached out to the people
I knew back in my twenties when I was doing
(31:27):
these researches and said, hey, I'm seeking I need to
figure out who I am, why I'm here, why this
stuff has been happening, what I need to do to
be the right the person I wants it to be.
So I would record these conversations I would have with people.
You can call them interviews if you want, but really
they were conversations with them, and those became the first
(31:48):
episodes of the Skeptic and Physician because I remember wanted
to believe, but I can't just believe that you are
channeling some alien baby because someone says so right, Yeah.
Those conversations were so profound to me that it helped
me to understand what was what had been happening, And
(32:11):
then of course coupled with the counseling that I did
with the with the with the doctor who literally saved
my life, I mean, doctor Jones. If she's listening right now,
I doubt she is, But how cool wuld that be?
Speaker 4 (32:21):
She was?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
But we are drawing, uh ye. So, so the show
was really a way for me to help me come
to terms with what I had discovered about me and
how to change that. Because the questions weren't just why
was I angry? Why was I self indulgent? Why was
I judgmental all the time? It was what caused me
(32:47):
to be that way and to be blind to it?
And how can I make it better so that I
don't become or slide back into that that person that
I was before. That's what the show was about.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Who that is so rich and deep And I'm really
curious then about if you can make connections around the
current state of the world. Right COVID was a broken
openness for you, your existential crisis broken openness for you?
(33:24):
Is there a way are you utilizing similar strategies or
are there suggestions that you have or things that both
of you, either of you are doing to manage the
current state of the planet, the whole planet. It's crazy
right now.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
One hundred percent, and it's getting crazier by the minute.
I had a conversation with someone the other day about this,
and I'll tell you what my belief system is now.
I'll pass the microphone on to Karen because I'm hugging
all of your time. What I believe.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Karen's like as usual.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I know, I know, I believe that the Earth is transitioning.
We're going from was a Capricorn, the age of Carapricorn
and Age of Aquarius, whatever it was. I know we're
going to the Age of Aquarius. Yes, every birth is messy,
(34:19):
is difficult, it's ugly, it's challenging, it's really hard. And
we're going through a rebirth. The world, the planet is
going through a rebirth, and everyone on her is going
through a rebirth. And there are those that are fighting
the rebirth and making things ugly. They're digging in their
heels and saying no, no, I won't go, and others
(34:41):
who are saying, oh take me baby, I'm here ready.
Right the two factions are splitting apart faster and faster,
and neither one is looking at the other in any
way other than sheer disgusted. How could you possibly right?
What I have learned and Karen, I think will agree
with this is I don't have all the answers. I'm
(35:05):
not right all the time. This is for her.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
This is for her, and we haven't recorded.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
And because because I've learned that through the course of
my growth period and I'm still growing, I will always
grow for the rest of my life. But I've learned
that I can't look at the other side of the
aisle and go, what the fuck is wrong with you?
I still do. I shouldn't, but I still do. But
(35:39):
at the end of it, all the days are the
best days for me, are the days where I go,
that's their that's their truth, that's their path, that's their thing.
I don't have to get involved. All I need to
focus is on me and my family. And as long
as we are good and we model that good, others
(35:59):
will see it and will BacT in turn. And if
you can do that with you and yourself, yourself, your
family and your friends and your people around you, and
then they do that for others a little bit, eventually
it's gonna spread like a wildfire and it's going to
burn out all that negativity and all that junk that's
(36:20):
out there that is fighting trying to put the fire out,
because that's what they're trying to do. That's not mistaken.
But I firmly believe that we are at a point
where we are going to split, and those that are
on one side will stay on this earth and the
ones that are on the other side will go to
(36:41):
a different one, and eventually it will work itself out.
I really believe that.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, there's the faith in that, the leaning into that.
I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
You can feel it.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
You can you can feel it, and you don't have
to be an EmPATH in order to feel that.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Step that. I love how you said every birth is messy.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
It's true, and that's exactly what we're going through.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Yeah, Karen, Karen, I can't disagree really with what he's saying.
I also see it so I have a degree in anthropology,
and I see it a lot as an evolution and
it's about survival of the fittest, but not in so
(37:29):
fact as you have to kill, you know, whatever the
stronger animal can eat the other one. I think there's
a mindset that feels like that's how it has to be.
But survival of the fittest can also be you know,
the story of the oak and the was it the
whatever twig that can or little plant that can bend
around bamboo? Yeah, I think that in that case it's different.
It's not being the hardest or the strong if it's
being the most flexible using the tools that you have
(37:51):
that might not even seem like tools. And I think
you have to be active in promoting this and modeling.
But even more so I try to try, I say,
because I don't always manage to, but I try to
always look for something, you know, when you're interacting with someone,
look for something that you know they've like, Like if
(38:13):
you're at the seven eleven and there's always that person
that has like the nails that are up to here
and that I have fifteen different colors, and you know,
you know, I'm just saying, wow, your nails look fantastic.
Doesn't mean I like them, but you know they spent
time on it, you know, and that means something to them.
So for you to acknowledge something that they've done, it's
like wow, and that little comment you just don't know
the effects it can have. And so so taking those
(38:35):
actions and sharing that love and you know, thinking about
looking at things the way the Dali Lama says. You know,
you don't know what someone else is going through during
the day. So if they cut you off in traffic,
maybe they're rushing off to the hospital. I mean, you
just don't know. So trying to use that mindset and
just spread those little little comments that are so easy,
they take nothing for you to do that, I think
(38:57):
is what's going to help to evolve and to make
it less of a war that's raging between the good
and the bad and more of an envelopment of love.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, it's interesting how something so tiny, right, like oh
my god, those nails girl.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yes, yeah, exactly, it spreads, it does.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
But you know, when you think about it, the only
way that you can be in a mind space to
be able to do that, to think about saying something
to that girl with the nails, is to be at
peace within yourself.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
I think it can help you get a peace yourself,
but now you make yourself down bottom us Yeah yeah,
getting out to work out it sucks. I'm not a
morning person, but once I start doing that, I start
feeling better, you know, it's not that I just spring
up in the morning. I don't wake around in the
morning anymore. But I used to kind of work out
it all anymore. But when I did, it was in
(39:52):
the morning, and I'm not a morning person.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
This is a perfect example of everyone thinks that Karen
and I are very much aligned in every way in
the thing in our thought problem that's about it, and
we're not at all. Because when she feels terrible getting
out to go work out, and then she feels better
as she's doing it, I feel terrible when I wake
up to work out, and they feel worse as I'm
(40:13):
working out. So it's a completely different odd effect for me.
But but for me it harkens back to who I
was before. If I'm not in the right mind space
inside myself, I don't find myself thinking positive thoughts about
anybody else either. Right, So for me, I've got to
be centered in myself and be ready to notice that
(40:39):
she had she went through so much effort to get
those nails done the way she's doing it. You know,
you are an angel walking on this planet, so it's
different you were perpetually in that state. I, however, might
have been more on the other side of the aisle
and trying to work our way up there.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Think about it this way. To get to that mind space,
you have to do it for yourself.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Well yeah, no, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Exactly either way, it's like an effort that you have
to do.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yes, yeah, the inertia, the inertia.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
By the way, I just want to stop, like highlight
this for a second, and I'm and I'm hoping that
this spreads far and wide.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
You know how the two of you have.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Your disagreements and you don't think exactly the same, and
yet there's an honoring Oh that makes sense. Oh, I
see where you're coming from from there.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
This is what we need.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Oh my god, thank you for that beautiful modeling of that.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yes, please more of that.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Doctor Briha. This was not always the way.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I believe it takes effort still, right especially.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And that's and that's why I said it was when
I was expressing my story. This was for Karen, because
she knows that I have sticky notes to this day
all over my office that say, you do not have
to always be right, your attachments are the cause of
all your issues. Don't have to win, You don't always
have to win right. These are. I know, these are
(42:07):
concepts that were completely foreign to me. Right, So this
is someone who has constantly strived to be the best
he can be. I'm super competitive into sales things. I'm
I mean, I'm work in the in the industry that
is cutthroat television world. I work for NBC, but it
is it is a cutthroat industry. So you you learn
to be go go go go go, and me over
(42:29):
everyone else because I'm going to win. It was a monumental,
earth shattering, life changing shift when I finally realized, actually,
when doctor Jones actually asked me, why do you feel
you always have to win? When it when it really
hit me, I went, oh my god, I can't work anymore.
(42:54):
I gotta And so that to this day is my
new mantra. I guess like, I don't have to win.
There's no reason I don't have to be right. If
you believe something that I think you're crazy for, why
do I have to believe that you're wrong? You're absolutely
right in your thought processes. It doesn't resonate with me,
(43:15):
but with you work. So that's freaking awesome.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
And I think for me, part of that is just
really recognizing the fact that everyone, no matter who they are,
how they act, how they respond to you or not,
is based on how they were brought up, what their
experience was, And you don't know, you don't know the
crap that people have gone through, and maybe them, you know,
cutting you off and flipping tho the word is like
so much better than their dad, who would have shot
(43:38):
you know. I mean, that's why I just don't know.
So I just try to always think about that. When
I get really angry about it, I'm like, Okay, i
don't know what shit they went through, but I'm glad
I didn't have that life, and you know, I'm fortunate,
so right, it helps, right.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Michael Singer talks about Sam Scarow's Wait. Sam scare is
a thought form that you have created in your mind
based on past experiences. So if every time you eat
the first time you ever ate a chocolate chip ice
cream cone, the pretty girl winked to even said you're
really cute. Now, every time you eat that ice cream,
you're gonna think I feel good right where in the
(44:13):
opposite the first time you ever had that chocolate chip
ice cream, a bully came and hit your hand and
the ice cream fell through and you started crying. And
now you're gonna stay away from chocolate chip ice cream
because you have this sam scare on your mind that
believes that every time that you eat ice cream cone,
bad things was gonna happen to you. To the point
where you create that, You make that happen, You create
(44:35):
that reality. And he uses your analogy of someone cutting
you off in traffic. When someone cuts you off in traffic,
we all get like why, because we're being competitive. We
have this thing that if they cut me off in traffic,
then he's gonna make me go slow. And they're not
gonna be weak for school, but it's for work because
that's what's happened to you in the past, when in essence,
what might be helpful to do is let him in
(44:58):
what possible harm can be done. So they slow you down,
so you slow you down. We all agree that everything
happens for a reason right in the space for the
most part, I believe we feel that everything happens for
a reason, for our great good. Maybe there was a
reason why you needed to go slow. Maybe there's an
accident hot waiting to happen. I'm mile down the road
that had you not let that person in you would
(45:19):
have been involved in, right, You just never know. So
breathing into these samscares and letting them go, that's a
life changer.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Oh my gosh, such I mean, yes, that literally just happened.
I was on vacation, and you know you now we
have Google maps, and I had Google Maps up and
I was chatting with my boyfriend and I missed a
turn and it was like, oh, I guess we're not
supposed to go that way.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Okay, it's just right.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Red, and it worked out. I don't know what we missed.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I don't know what we were, what we passed that
we were supposed to pass, I don't know, And you
know what, it's okay either way.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
I don't need to know. I just know that that happened.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
And for a reason, by the way, being cut off
on traffic is the is the first time I realized
that meditation actually works.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
I was very very similar to you.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Well, I was bitter and angry and this was one
my fertility issues, and I was just like, life is
bogus and this is stupid, and I'm going to prove
this shit wrong. And I started meditating, and ninety days later,
somebody I was in New Jersey at the time where
everything is like somebody cut me off and I went, oh,
I hope they're okay, And.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
I went, what the hell? Who am I even?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, it's amazing when you start. And actually this is
a question for you, Karen, the final question we're going to.
I just want to bring it back down to like
earth brass texting. I'm sorry, were called TORUSI person, No,
I love it.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
I love this, this.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Is I love the upper like ooh, we're going to
get wu and then bringing it back down to what
can people do now? But I have a specific question
for you, Karen, because I'm very like woo and up
in the clouds and also mental like thinking things through
and I'm very practical that way.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
But it wasn't until I.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Hired a nutritionist that my spiritual stuff, really mediumship, everything
just exploded. And I know you work with food. You're
a food person, right, nutritionist? Yes?
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Or you just have a nutritional therapy certification but I've
never used it. But I have a cooking show, so I.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Do, yes, right right right? You know things?
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yes, she does.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
I'm curious about that that like just eating well, like
how do I mean this supposed is both open to
both of you. But I'm curious about how you just
take care of yourselves your body, your physical body. We've
covered spiritual stuff, we've covered mental health stuff.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
What about your body, like, what.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Do you do?
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Unfortunately that seems to kind of be the last priority
for a lot lot of people, myself included. What has
helped us to stand as somewhat you know, decent track
is the fact that we have a daughter and I
want her to be healthy, and we like, for probably
her first ten twelve years, she had only organic food,
(48:17):
and I was very, very careful, and now she's like
out with her friends and you know, we all we're busy,
and you eat what you can. I mean, really, I
would do the best that you can, you know, So
on my cooking show, I do stuff that's quick, affordable,
and I'll get you out of the kitchen because a
lot of people just don't have time. But you want
to feed your family, well, so just just do your
best and don't be too hard on yourselves. Make what
(48:37):
you like, you know, find some produce that you really like,
and try every different type of way to prepare that,
because at least you're getting that and you'll know that
you like that, and they have so much more nutrients
than people realize.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yes, right, can you tell the effect? Like I know
when I I was just on vacation, right, and of
course vacation includes yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
In this South.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
How do you do it?
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Fry?
Speaker 4 (49:02):
God?
Speaker 2 (49:04):
So much of the fried stuff, and I know, I'm
like ooh cranky and like.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Yeah, and then I will whenever I got tea at
a restaurant every single time. The next morning I wake
up and I can't get my wedding ring off. I'm
so bloated and I feel bad, you know, but it's
one of those things where you just you run out
of time, and so we do it so much more
often than we should. But yeah, I can. I can
absolutely feel the difference. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
And then when you are feeling bloated and tired and
cranky and someone cuts you off on the.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Highway, exactly, it's or you're a vicious circle.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
You're not good within yourselves. You can't compliment the nails.
I'm telling you there's something that's.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
When you have to compliment the nails, you have to
know yourself. Compliment the nails make it very It's true though,
It's true because then it becomes part of who you are.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
I don't disagree. It's just harder for some of us
and others.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Yeah, it sounds both. It's like top down and bottom up.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I think this episode is going to be titled something
about nails complimenting.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Oh, it's always lovely to out with you too.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
As long as nails on a chalkboard, it would be good.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
I used to do that when I was a teacher.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
No, no, god, you want to I can't.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
Just thread it out. I can and they would, they
would like every math absolutely. You know.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Hey, thank you so much for being a part of
the Reluctant Medium. You guys again today, you guys are
You're just lovely and wonderful humans and good energy and
making a making a splash on the planet. It's so
grateful for you, and I'm happy to be a part
of it.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
So grateful.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
I was just going to say, we're grateful that you're
part of it. First of all, we're very grateful you're
part of it. We're very grateful that you brought it
on to talk about it, and we're very grateful that
you for the work that you're doing, because what you're
doing is helping a lot of people. So thank you
for what you do.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Seriously, yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you, just the
thank you.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
So we're going to have thank you wars here and
I know, all right, I'm sure I'll have you on
again sometime in the future.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Sounds.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Thank you for joining the Reluctant Medium podcast today. I
hope that this episode has brought you beautiful high vibration
and that it continues emanating from your heart space for
the rest of the day and beyond. Don't forget to
join the Reluctant Medium on Patreon dot com, and you
can also visit the Reluctantmedium dot us and the Reluctant
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next time, my friend, may you be well.
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