April 17, 2025 • 48 mins
Join us on this episode of the Reluctant Medium Podcast as we dive deep into the world of astrology with special guest Louisa Tanner-Munson, an astrologer and channel. In this insightful conversation, we explore the impact of astrological charts on personal life events, fertility, spirit babies, consciousness, and the interconnectedness of our lives with the cosmos. Louisa shares her journey into astrology, her unique approach to interpreting charts, and how significant life changes are reflected in the stars. Whether you're an astrology novice or a seasoned enthusiast, this episode offers a fascinating glimpse into how we can use astrology as a tool for personal empowerment and understanding. Don't miss this enlightening talk!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think you know. What I would say here is
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consciousness is a real thing, but there are real reasons. Astrologically,
if I look at somebody's chart, I can see when
they're more fertile times. So there are particular things that
There's something called the progressed moon that I would study
in somebody's chilt. And you can see the times when
the progressed moon is lined up in a certain way,
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you think, oh, somebody might be getting ready to bring
a child earthfly.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Welcome to the Reluctant Medium, where we cover the gamut
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(00:49):
Maria Rothenberger, a psychotherapist by trade and a reluctant spirit
baby communicator. And hey, even though I'm a medium, I'm
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Speaker 1 (00:59):
I just have.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Voracious appetite to know more about what I call the
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Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'll see you there.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Hey everyone, Welcome back to the Reluctant Medium podcast. I
have a guest that I've been waiting for on this
show because this comes up in Spirit Baby readings all
the time, and I've needed a brilliant mind to explain
what the frig is happening. Welcome Luisa Tanner Munson, all
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the way from the UK. It's four o'clock in the
afternoon for you, nine in the morning for me. Yay,
it works out. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. We know each other
from the new Reality TV like hosting Extravaganza. We both
have shows there. You have a couple of shows.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yes, yeah, I'm about for a third show. Actually, oh
I've got the.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Bus side, or of the very giving side, the very
giving side.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, chatting about the things I'm really passionate about.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yes, oh yeah, Well I'm so glad you make yourself
available because I need you.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Frankly, we need you.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Everybody needs you. So I'd love to know first just
kind of background, so, like who are you, what do
you do and how did you come to do?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
What you do. Okay, Well, I'm Luca Tony Munson. I'm
an astrologer, but I wouldn't say I'm a very normal astrologer.
You know, I did my usual training, but predominantly I'm
really a channel. Actually, I'm probably more akin to you
than I am through astrology. So you know, I started
off as a kid learning about astrology because I was
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fascinated trying to learn who I was and understand why
I didn't always feel like I could sit in And
I started to read palms. I started to read cards
and tried to sort of interpret the world, you know,
and graphology anything like that just really really caught my attention.
But the thing that was really freaky was when I
was like reading palms at parties, I sees, it's a
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bit of a parlo tric. I would have these moments
where all of a sudden information would come to me
through the palms and I would be able to say
things that you really wouldn't be able to know just
by looking at the lines, and it would freak me
out and I would kind of step back from it.
Especially like coming into puberty, I was really really sensitive
to it, and so I practiced astrology or I studied
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astrology in my late teens because it seemed like the
more formal and the less woo woo thing that I
could do. And then when I was actually in my twenties,
I was still to kind of try and keep it together,
and so I was working as a trainer within banking
and insurance, and so in my spare time I studied
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hypnotherapy and timeline therapy and NLP because again I wanted
to get slightly into the wou woo, but not completely
out myself in a way that you know, might be
a bit embarrassing or you know where I would feel
embarrassed because you know, I was stepping out of my
family context. You know, my family are very I guess
my family are very normal, very graandic people, and they
didn't really understand. Yeah. I remember I was a bit
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of a traveler and I lived in France for a
while and my dad said, why can't you just be normal?
You know, I think he just wanted me to go
to university do very normal things, and it just wasn't
really my bag, I guess. So it took me a
while to come out as an astrologer and did that.
When I became a mum. You know, I really started
to use that a lot. And yeah, and so I
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sort of apprenticed for quite a while. You know, I've
been practicing on friends, and anytime something weird happened in
the world, or I've probably died or got married or
you know, anything that's unusual or kind of life transforming,
I'd always look at the birth charts the astrology of
the related people, and so I just had this wealth
of experience. And then in the last fifteen years, maybe
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fifteen years, I would say I've really sort of come
into my own and yeah, and now I've been practicing
with real life clients well over a decade now, so
oh my god. Yeah, that's that's kind of me. But
like when I do astrology, I see the chart and
I get pulled in. It feels like it's a portal,
you know, so I get insight, you know, so it's
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intuitive insight. I follow these astrological rules only really at
the start, and then after that, I just feel like
I get sucked in. So this kind of web of information,
it's really rich and yeah, and I find it fascinating.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Oh no, kidding, that's so cool. It's actually it reminds
me a little bit of like when I do a
past life regression session for folks, I'm also clairvoyant, so
I get to travel with them. It's sort of that
same combo, you do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I find that when I'm working
with people with hypnotherapy and timeline therapy as well, that
I tend to be kind of multi centsory with it,
you know, all your players or really lit up. But yeah,
in my day to day, I teach astrology and I
work with people using astrology as a consultancy, and my
real aim is to help people heal, you know, to
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feel like they can find a bit more space and
room to be able to, you know, make the next
step on their own, knowing that they're trusting in themselves.
And I guess that's my broach. That's how I want
to be.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, okay, so you help people see their their charts
as sort of their own empowerment tool or roadmap or yeah, okay,
I'm actually this is a general question and then I
would love to move into more well, eventually we'll move
into more specifics. So when so, I don't I know
very very very little about astrology, and when I have
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looked up and looked into it. It seems to be
so you know, specific around this is how your life
is going to go, this is who you are. But
do you find there's the way there?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Or are there?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah? Yeah, I tend to rear away from astrologists that
are very fatalistic. I mean, first of all, what's the
point of doing that, you know, I don't think that
really helps people, you know. I only want to be
able to use astrology in a way that's helpful and healing.
And I think telling somebody how things is a It's
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not our life. We're not living it, you know, we're
not living that other person's life. So I don't think
it's our place to say that necessarily. But but you
just can't know. I mean, I think when people do
say things with utter certainty, I think they might be
coming from a psychic place, you know, where they absolutely
believe in their visions. But even when I do get
very specific information, I still don't deliver it as if
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this is what's happening. I always see everything as a
choice point. It's a conversation, and you know, if the
person I'm working with has a new experience that changes
them or moves them, then everything else shifts with them.
The moment you make a new decision about anything, your
reality is shifting in real time. So I almost feel
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from my perspective that that way of working with somebody
in definitives, I don't know, to me, it doesn't feel
very much like it's really helping in that person evolving
and working through the issues. You know, I think I
think are best it's at all and it's a story
as well. I mean, all of the signs, all of
the planets, all of the houses. You know, the constructs
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of astrology are a story. They're telling a story of
your life, and they're telling a story of choice and opportunity,
and we can interpret it in so many different ways,
so many different layers. So yeah, I tend to veer
away from it. I remember years ago, I remember getting
a book from the bookshop and it was saying that
you know, if you have Moon and Pisces, you're going
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to be an alcoholic and you wouldn't be up to
much good. And you know that it was the worst
sign to have your moon in, and this, that and
the other, and that's just somebody's opinion. So somebody who's
down on people with moon and Pisces, and they've written
that I have the moon and Pisces, and I did
get a bit of an alcohol issue, you have to say.
But you know then, I, you know, have later asked myself, well,
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was that because I was told that would be my reality?
I think we have to be very careful with our
words and and kind of responsibly with the language you use,
because you know, people listen to their doctors, they listen
to their teachers, they listen to law enforcements any anywhere
way you trust in somebody, you're going to listen to
that message and take it on as your own reality.
But there are certainly loads of other gifts with being
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a sure person. So I don't know if I explained it, but.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's kind of like I get a little bit fed up.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
With people like that. I kind of want to slap
them around the face. But I think.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, it's so deterministic, right, It kind of reminds me
of what people feel still, even despite epigenetics and other
research coming out that genes determine us. Right, Oh, if
you have a gene for breast cancer, you're done, You're cooked.
And that's not really true. That's not it's not deterministic.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean my mum she had breast cancer,
my grandmother had breast cancer, and they had their cancers
at the same time, and we were they decided to
be part of a study in London, UK, and it's
me and my sister and you know, so they were
trying to work out what the probabilities were for my
sister and I to get breast cancer. And I remember
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when I sort of turned forty five, my mom said,
happy birthday. Don't forget this was the year when I
got breast cancer.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And I was like, that's not going to happen. Mom.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, You're like, well, don't forget. I'm not normal.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So I mean, you know, the hospital has said that
they were unrelated cases, caused by different things at different times,
and they lied in different hormones, played things.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
But our lifestyle, our beliefs, it all makes a difference.
And you're right. With epigenetics, we can turn and the
expression of a gene on and off. It's like oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And I wonder about that being similar to the idea
or how to how to think about astrology, because here
here's an example. So I began dating someone. Oh it's
been it's been a year and a half almost, And
when someone I was talking with an astrologer who was like, oh, yeah,
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let's talk about the areas where you're going to struggle.
And I'm like, what, okay, But it's true. Some of
these things were aspects of ourselves that were he was
highlighting them. Fine, this is exactly how we were. But
the word that you used before resonated so well, it's evolution, right,
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Folks evolve, and I think the two of us have
evolved so well that it's actually a match. It's a
beautiful match. And those aspects of ourselves that are perhaps
in our charts are just they enhance our togetherness. So
that's why I wonder about that. You know, it's like
it seems so fatalistic, as you said, or deterministic. It's like,
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this is how you are and you have no choice.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I mean that the punk in me, you know, I
was born in the seventies and really liked punk growing up,
but you know, like the sort of punk attitude in me,
and the sort of rebelliousness like my mum say, oh,
it's because you're an indigo child. You're an indiguy being weird.
But but yeah, I don't like people telling me what
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my experience is going to be.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
That right, bye, exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
But I mean, you know, some people do want to
know exactly. You know, I do have some people say, look,
I really need to know what your opinion is here,
and then others I can tell that if if I
expressings in that way, it's going to help them. So,
you know, I think we I'm sure you're like that
with the people you work with. You know, there are
some people who do want you to be straight. But
you know, anytime I'm strength with him, I say, but
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that's just my opinion. It's how I might handle this
if I was in your shoes. I'm not you, and
I see what you've got your choice there. I mean,
when I first looked at my chart with my husband,
I kind of had to look away because I realized
it's going to be a lot of challenge. And you know,
if I'd spent a lot of time really analyzing it,
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I may have talked myself out of the experience of
meeting him because it looked like it was too much change.
But that was exactly what we needed. We have so
many common interests. We're fascinated with way the world works
and how we are fitting against spiritually. We broadcast together.
It's our hobby. We've made it our reality. We've got
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three children, which you know, for him was he's ten
years older than me, and I didn't start having children
until I was thirty just thirty seven of my last
when I was almost forty four, So you know, we
were kind of flying, very loose and free, not really
planning things. Now that wouldn't have happened if I'd have
played it safe and gone for a safe person. But
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I wanted the adventure. You know, we've migrated. We actually,
although we're both from London, we now live in Portugal,
in Europe, so you know, we've made so many different changes.
And again you know the astrology that looks challenging, that
could be good challenging or also terrifying challenging, and sometimes
it's both. And still that's you know, that's our tapestry.
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It's what we've chosen.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Oh tapestry. Yes, yes, I love that. Oh my gosh, okay,
I have so many questions. Where shall I start? So
when I looked at astrology, I cannot believe you know,
you say, and I say a lot of people say, oh,
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you know, it's pretty will, Will it's freaking scientific, like,
am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
No, So society, the planet, like your actual birth chart itself,
is based on astronomy. Well, it's based on the combination
of astronomy. So like the position of the planets and
the orbit that is observed from our place on Earth.
You know, we're watching and observing, you know, the patterns
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of the Moon, the patterns of the Sun and so
on and so forth from our observation point. But that
is compared to a fixed place, like a fixed location
in the cosmos. So we have created this what's you know,
known as the Ecliptic Belt, which is you know, constructed
of these constellations you know, and we know them now
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as aries tourist Gemini right the way through to Pi
Seas and stuff like this huge belt that goes around us,
like it's massive circle. If you just imagine a big plate,
it's all the way around the plate, a bit like
a big take tin and so right in the middle
projecting if we're looking out and we're looking at the
position of the Moon and the Sun and all the
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different planets, and we're lining it up against a constellation
and saying, right, that's at four degrees in that constellation. Now, yeah,
it's a weird one because this is where the story
telling comes in. You know, the planets are absolutely measured
across this ecliptic plane, so that is calculated, but the
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ecliptic plane is it real? It's basically the meaning that
we've given it. We've seen some stars and said, oh
that's aries and when anything goes through this part it
works in this particular way. Now that will only work
on Earth because if we were to fly to Jupiter
and observe the ecliptic, it would look completely different from
Jupiter's perspective. If Elon has his way and moves us
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all the mass that's astrology go on, you know, we
have to, we'd have to recalibrate it all and make
new stories. So the planets and their relationship to each
other based on their real time positions, if we can
believe what we've been told from NASA and other observatories,
that is based on astronomical positions, but it's also based
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on their positions in comparison to this made our circle
or this circle that we've leaning onto. So it's a
bit like I don't know. I mean, one of the
things that makes it feel real to me is if
enough people believe in something, it becomes real, you know,
like we observe a narrative, we start to behave like
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we I think we can manifest things together. So over time,
observations have been made that when the moon goes through
the constellation of Aries and Scorpia in particular, that there
are really really strong emotions going on, quite fiery emotions,
and emotions that really stir us. And you know, when
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Venus is going to the sign of Libra, for instance,
that you know, we are quite happy and content. Where
it goes through areas not so much, you know. So
there are these observations, and over time we've we've you know,
we've we've made judgments about them. But what I prefer
is to look at the and this is where it
gets kind of really interesting. I like the mathematical patterns
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that the planet's formed to each other, so as they're
going around the outside of the circle, they're never always
in the same space. You know, if you imagine all
the hands of a clock face, So right now I'm
looking at a clock right above me, and it's got
a minute a second and an hour hand. So they're
all going at different speeds. And so if all of
those were planets, they would all start at the same point,
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but you know, one of them would start lapping within
a minute, and so on and so forth. And so
the planets are all moving at different relative speeds, and
so there are times when one planet and another at
one hundred and twenty degrees away from each other, with
us being in the middle. So we make these triangles
and they start to make patterns. And so what has
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been observed is when planets are a certain distance from
each other making these angles, we have a certain kind
of quality of energy. And so people talk about trines
as being very lucky and flowing and squares has been
really difficult and frustrating and oppositions. I eat the full
moon when the moon and the sun appear to be
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in different parts of the sky, we feel very torn
and pulled. And that the new moon, it's like a
clean sheet. So it's a whole new language.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Oh my gosh. Literally, Yeah, I wondered about how folksus.
You're right, I feel like a group of especially a
group of people, can create massive change energetically. There's been
research to actually support that, which we can go down
that rabbit hole or whatever. Yeah, heart mas stuff meditation
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in Washington, DC, the crime levels went down by fifty
percent or something. Anyway, lots lots of stuff to support it.
But the idea around I'm wondering how people have come
up with this or right, like you said, we've developed
this story around how you know, the belt and the
planets and all that, and the and the constellations and
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what they mean. And I'm wondering if they were developed
because of observation, because of data collection, because of taking
notes or something. I don't know, is that how like,
how did these stories come up?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
How do how?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Why does Taurus I'm a Taurus? Why are Taurus people
seen as super grounded? And they like material stuff which
I don't really do so except for my crystals behind me, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Addicted, I'm in front of me. Yeah, I'm surrounded by plants.
Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, it's fascinating. I I guess
like historically, and again, I like to talk about things
when I can know them, you know, with some certainty
and from experience. So it always speaks me out a
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little bit when I'm talking historically about how it all
came to be because you know, we might find out
in ten years time or one hundred years time that
what we know to be our past was just a
load of stories that were made up, you know. So
my understanding is that it was really helpful in terms
of agriculture. So in terms of the moon to the
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full moon, it's a waxing moon phase. The moon is
gradually getting bigger and bigger and bigger. That's the time
when you're planting out, when you might be sowing seeds,
maybe not right on the full moon, but just after.
Hair apparently grows faster between the new moon and the
full moon, and like during the full moon and the
new moon, when it's waning and the moon's getting smaller,
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it's the time to tidy things up. And so I
think people started living in tune with the moon, and
they noticed that, you know, wars broke out more often
when you know, different things happened. But I mean, like
initially when they started, if what we've been told is
completely true, they have only been able to see being
some mass, you know with me, you know, And then
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as things progress that people were able to see more
and more and further and further, and so our observations
have grown. But I think I think things changed when
we got the printing press, you know, so I think
a lot of this knowledge was kept secret for quite
a while. You know, there's lots of astrologers that talk
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about these huge astrology libraries in the Vatican and things
like that. You know, when I look at the dates
of big ceremonies, the dates of when royal children are born,
you know, coronations and things like that, I think that's
interesting that that astrology is happening on that day. To me,
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it doesn't you know, a lot of a lot of
the children we hear about being born from the royal families,
you know, we hear that there's some kind of medical intervention.
There's a lot of babies coming in around eclipses. So
I noticed that a lot of big events happen, you know,
in these kind of slightly different societies. We're not talking
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about everyday people. There's a lot that seems to happen
at very extreme times, like for instance, coming up to
just before, just before the pandemic that we're always talking about,
lots of astrologers were saying, oh my god, what's going
to happen, What's going to happen because we had this
combination of three planets, like the hands on the clock,
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all coming together at the same spot. So one of
them was Pluto, and Pluto is like the god of
death and destruction but also regeneration. I think of Pluto
as being a compost bit, you know, like everything kind
of dies in the bin. However it breaks down into
the lovely molecules and microbes and this, that and the other,
and then new life comes from it. So it's very
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much the fee It's the resurrection, you know. So Pluto
with its ideas of death and dying and it's really permanent.
It's slow moving and it takes a while, but it
has massive impact. Then we had Satain, which is also
associated with Kronos, you know, so old father time, but
also the grim reaper. You know, Saturn kicks our backsides
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if we are a bit lazy, you know, we get
these tests. There are actual cycles in life, like the
Saturn return that happens to people. So something comes back
to the place it was in and the tile place
and date at your birth around the time of your
twenty ninth birthday twenty nine and a half. It varies
from person to person, and then again as you turn
around to be about like fifty eight to fifty nine.
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And so the Saturn returns are noted around the world.
People observe it, you know, most people that come to me,
I can see instantly why they're coming, you know, because
there's something planetary happening. There are cycles on cycles. But
we had Satin, who's a pain in the backside, Pluto
who has mass control issues, and then Jupiter that magnifies
everything and makes everything so much bigger, all coming together
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in the sign of Capricorn, which is the sign associated
with big businesses, amalgamations of things, orders of authority, and
so we came to a time when all of a sudden,
countries around the world were all working together at the
same time, at the same speed, with the same message.
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And there were themes of death and dying that were
spreading far and wide. With Jupiter's influence using the media
and Saturn the authority, and of course all of us
astrologers were saying, what's going to happen, what's going to happen.
Those three plants hadn't been together for about three thousand
years or so, so it was pretty big. It's pretty big.
We knew something big was happening now, I know, to
(25:49):
think pandemic, like you know, if i'd really really thought
about it, it just it wasn't quite in my mind.
But of course in hindsight, you know. So yeah, I
mean we've got massive astrology right now, but we observe
these cycles and yeah, and these big cycles, big stuff happens.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Does that make it? On one hand, I can see
that being sort of comforting, like, Okay, I'm prepared. But
on the other hand, oh shit, what is like it
can create anxiety?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
What does it do for Yeah, it's both. I mean
I've to stop my practice every now and again. So
like last year was quite intense, and I had my
followers sort of increased quite exponentially through the year and
ask in so many bookings because we're going through this
real big period of change. You mean that I'm absolutely
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sure we're about you know, and Pluto, this this planet
that I was talking about that takes a really really
long time to change. Science has been for the last
couple of years in between the sign of Capital and Aquarius,
and so every time Pluto went into Aquarius, we kind
of jumped forwards. And Ais is one of the themes
and everything that's automated consciousness, all these themes that are
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coming up, and about decentralization is another real sort of
aquarium theme. And then every time Pluto went back into
a capitol, because they appear to move, and then from
the way we were observing, it looks like they slow
down and go backwards and then they move forwards. Get
So Pluto has now transitioned into Aquarius. Finally he's going
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to be there for the next twenty years. So it's
ushering in a whole new era. And around these times,
the stock markets and the stock exchanges they change, you know,
with the planet's changing signs, And so I was getting
a lot of people booking consultations. It's great for business,
but what I realized is lots of people were connecting
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with me because I was their only hope. That's how
it felt. I felt like people were like almost pulling
me down a little bit, and bless them, it's because
you know, they've got worried. And so I used my
channel I call my channel feel good astrology, because yes,
we're going through these these big changing times, but I
also seen them as massive opportunities for us to uplift
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and change and shake ourselves free of all the worry.
So anywhere where they might be anxiety, my message is
this is what we've been waiting for, you know, this
is to shake us free from anywhere where we've been
formulaic and our thinking where we've you know, because I
think you know, we are humans, and we've come to
accept that being human is really quite rational, and I
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don't think we were as rationals we're meant to be.
When you look at other animals and creatures and the
rest of nature, there's a freedom, there's a beauty. Every
other animal creature on this planet knows themselves, don't need
they don't even as stronger. They just know what to eat,
when to eat, how to live. And it's like our
lives that are so complicated. And so I am quite
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excited with these these times that are having us shrugging
all these energies off and like like a dog where
it's kind of shaking everything free. Yeah, but of course
it's hard for people who are habituated into security. And
you know, if you've got kids, which I know you
have and I've got kids, it's a worrying time when
we contemplate change because we don't know how we're going
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to do it necessarily. Yeah, so I take time off
quite regularly to kind of shake myself off and keep
strong because you can catch it. You know, if enough
people feel anxious, it really spreads out there.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
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for all of that. That is amazing stuff. And I
know that we can go deeper, deeper, deeper. There's so
much to know about astrology that is just mind blowing. Okay,
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I do want to ask you about this because it
keeps coming up in spirit baby sessions and for folks
who haven't listened to me before or know this. I
do mediumship work speaking with folks spirit babies who are
coming onto the planet right now, and they talk sometimes
not all babies, but some babies will talk specifically about
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when they want to come. And I have noticed that
it's difficult for me to tell sometimes the difference between
when they want to be born and when they want
to be conceived. And I'm like, is that a thing?
So I'm asking the pro today.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Is that a thing?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Because I this came up one time. I remember, I said,
the baby keeps telling me October twenty ninth, October twenty ninth,
October twenty ninth. Now that to me means I want
to that's my birthday. But she was like, I'm pregnant
now and the conception date was October twenty ninth. I'm like, what, so,
what does that mean? And why would conception be important?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
H Well, I mean, I guess it, but depends on
your view of when life begins. I know that's the
hot topic, you know in some circles around the world,
you know, like lots of people believe that life begins
when the baby's bawn. But yeah, I mean, from my
own experience, see any one I can talk about. I
have been speaking to my babies, like my own three
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that I've birthed from before they were even conceived. So
I knew they wanted to come through. I heard them,
I felt them. My husband and I charged our glasses
with wine and said, come when you're ready, lady against
an open door, Come when you're ready. Then that they did.
We knew that they were coming. And yeah, throughout the pregnancy,
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the consciousness was there, you know, we could I was.
I mean, my husband and I were both having with
our first We were having dreams that kind of matched
each other's scenes, and we were check in the morning
and it was as if, you know, the consciousness of
our child was talking to us. It felt like we
were being upgraded somehow so that we'd be ready for him. So, oh,
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you know, I think you know what I would say
here is consciousness is a real thing. But there are
real reasons astrologically, if I look at somebody's chart, I
can see when they are more fertile times. So there
are particular things that There's something called the progressed moon
that I would study in somebody's chart, and you can
see the times when the progress moon is lined up
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in a certain way. You think, oh, somebody might be
getting ready to bring a child earthside, or something BIG's
about to happen. So, for instance, my husband has got
five children, he's got three with me, and there's a
pretty good interval they're all born apart from one of them,
they're all born at intervals of seven, and that happens
to fit in really interestingly with the cycle of the
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progressed moon that has a twenty eight to twenty nine
year cycle, And so you know, from his first child
this particular progress mood was like, we have these things
called angles in our chart. It kind of separates our
chart into four four sections, and these angles are very
very sensitive points. When a planet goes over it, it
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triggers an experience in us. But these are really really
sensitive angles. And the progress moon, I think, and it's
not even a real thing. That's the thing it's it's
a calculation, but it's so interesting because when the progressman
goes over one of these angles, something extraordinary is happening
that is moving us in our life. And yeah, four
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out five of his babies were born when it was
crossing one of his angles. For me, the progress gosh
in alignment with one of my planets. But there's never
only just one sign. There's usually quite a few signs.
And the first baby picks up in your chart a
lot more than subsequent babies because that's the you know,
if anything happens in your life that changes your life
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and how you live it, planets will be matching up
and aligning with your chart because that's what moves you
on to the next stage, and that's what heralds you
as a parent. And so you can see it in
somebody's chart something big is happening and it's going to
change the way they live forever. So yeah, it's fascinating.
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So that's why you know, when you look at the
charts of parents and you know, and their children, there's
there's always things that come up, and there are family themes.
So you have three or four planets that sort of
come up in similar areas of the zodiac. So you
know that bell Tim is talking about and obviously it's
a circle, so it's got three hundred and sixty degrees
in it, but there will be you know a few
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little pockets where there are these links like linking us
and that's I see it as like cosmic DNA and
here's the thing. So you know, we might say, well, okay,
so that talks about the story about like maternal like
like DNA related birthings. You know, so like with mums
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and children, you know that they've birthed themselves, But the
same happens with adoption. So you know, when you look
at the chart of an adopted child, it will fit
in with the chart of his adopted mother because that
child comes in and changes your life, and so there
is something about their chart that resonates with yours. Yeah,
I've seen I've never seen a chart between a parent
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that hasn't had a link ever that.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Okay, so you just broadened it free because I'm thinking
it's about the baby, right, because the baby's telling me
this date, this date, and I'm thinking it's a baby
focused but you're saying, no, it's I mean, it's more
complicated than that, yeah, it's me.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
That's a good question, like is it about the baby?
Is it about the baby? From your perspective, it is,
And of course I don't really ever do astrology for
the baby unless a baby was talking to me, in
which case I would, but I've never worked that way.
I've never really asked, so I yeah, I always sit
from the parent's perspective. But I remember when I was
pregnant with one of my children and seeing my homeopath
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and saying, oh, I really want the birth to be
like this, it has to be like this, and you say, look,
your child will get the birth that they need for
the revolution and what they've come here to do. And
so I realized, you know, there's only so much we
can plan for. And sometimes if the baby's got a
different idea and the parents got a different idea, it's
a negotiation. But I really do think it's a symphony,
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you know, it's like a tapestry of energies. And with
my middle child, she was due around Christmas and i'd
gone to like in England at the time they'd said,
you know, once you're over forty, that's it. You're a
geriatric parent, and so they didn't want me bursting this
child over Christmas because they don't have as many specialists
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on and they were trying to persuade me that it
was all going to go one key and it was
going to be terrible, and I succumbed to a lot
of the talk and I agreed to be induced. Now,
when our daughter came out, she was fast asleep, and
she was big. She was fast asleep, and she was
really really dopey and beautiful, and yeah, it was a
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relief she came. But I remember about two weeks later,
all of a sudden, I heard her voice in my
head say, this was the moment I was meant to
be born, And so I wrote it down. So I've
got her actual birthday, her physical birthday. I've also got
her spirit birthday.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Oh, my dad is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Holy crap.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Who that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And so then when we can, we could we could
look at all of these stories, like, if ever, you
have a baby that's talking to you and you need
to check something out with me, I'm really happy to
get involved because we could really tease out the stories,
especially with the moms and the dads.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Oh my god, it would be so fun to have
some kind of like live event with you or something
where people can ask these kinds of questions of both
of us. Right, okay, so final question because we can
talk for freaking ever. Goodness. Okay, So I have been
told by by folks that by by astrologists, but I
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of course want to ask you. I have been told
that you can see in someone's chart when they are
supposed to have children, supposed to have children, and how
many is that accurate?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's not my experience?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Good, okay, good, please speak to that.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
It's not it's not my experience. I'd be really interested
to know where they learned that from, which books you
know they learn that from, because I always like to
you know, I don't want to say that's not how
it is. I would rather have a look at their texts,
you know, the text that they've got that from, or
their teachers, and learn it because it might be something
that I don't yet know. I mean this, you know,
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going back to my earlier comments saying I want to
just slap fatalistic astronogers around faith.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Really right, right?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I mean you know, they might they might be more
experienced than me and know something that I don't which
could transform my practice. But in my experience, anything is possible, truly,
But I do I do notice that there are times
for things that happen. Definitely notice that there are cycles
within cycles. And I've worked with people in their fertility
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and sort of helped them see when they might be
more likely to give birth. But you know, I mean,
I can see relationships coming in. But that doesn't mean
to say that it actually happens. But I do know
that there are some astrologists that say, no, it won't
happen until this exact day. I don't think that's normal
Western astrology. I would like to learn from them for sure.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, well, and how long have you been doing this?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
A couple of decades? Let me, it's being like a
lifelong study. At the moment, I was giving pocket money
when I was eleven, I went to the local bookstore,
and then astrology Compendium. So it's been life long. And
now I have clients all the time that I'm practicing
with and sort of expanding with. Really, what I do
is just notice patterns. I just keep noticing more and
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more patterns, and then I just talk about them.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, I'd like so the way that you frame it
is we are very similar I'm born in the seventies,
indigo child totally a little bit rebelly, is weird in
my family all that, But so so how you and
I sort of frame it is similar in that one
is there's patterns. One is evolving or growing or changing
or transcending or trans whatever I'm transitioning, and that can
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be on the three D plane, accomplished in various ways.
The birth of a child, the death of a child, marriage, divorce,
like all of these things can happen on the three
D plane. But it's all evolving the soul or helping
supporting the soul in some way. So right to say
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you're going to have you know, seven children and they
will be born on these dates, and it's it seems
a little bit like, what.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's true? Then that's that's a different type of astrology
that I haven't haven't learned. One of that is a
quite well known astrology that I'm going to be interviewing
for our show soon. And he was at our wedding
ten years ago. I mean, he's a he's a he's
a good egg. And he said to me, because I
was talking about trying to know exactly when my children
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were going to come and try as I might, I
couldn't find the exact day that any of them were
going to be born. He said, You'll never You'll never
ever do it at the best. You you just can't.
But when you do see it, you'll see the pattern. Yeah,
it's really hard to see. You can always see it
in hindsight. And it's the same like with death. You know,
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lots of people, you know, they are looking for deafinites,
so they know how, you know, so they can calm
themselves and they can manage their life a lot of
bit easier. You can't really see death in somebody's chart
as easy as you can see mourning in the charts
of people that lose somebody, so for instance. But you
know that to me makes real sense because every one
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of us is born at a particular moment in time,
and even though we make a massive difference to our
parents and maybe to a partner when we need to partner,
and to our own children, you know, individual programming. Just
because we're special in that moment when we're born doesn't
mean to say there's a role sort of absolutely special chart.
You know, we can't have absolutely really strong coding in
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every single chart, every single day, you know, but we
arrive at the time when we're affecting people around us
who are going to be caring for us. And so
when people die, you know, all they're doing is moving.
I don't mean to kind of make everything sound hideously simple,
because birth and death is just not that simple. I
don't wait, but you know, like a baby coming forwards,
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it's like they're coming. From my perspective, I'm just talking
for myself, it feels like they're coming through a veil.
I know there's obviously a physical process, but to me,
it feels like the consciousness has come from somewhere else
and it's manifesting here. And then when we're going through
the death process, that consciousness is moving on. So from
my perspective, that child was never on. From my perspective,
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that charge was next three is either being born or
is passing away. So from that perspective, the death chart
and the birth chart aren't necessarily that special, but you'll
see the effect that it has the people around them.
So I would always look at the family the deceased,
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you know, if they're all showing grief at the same time,
there's the death or the diagnosis that leads to their death,
so it can be grizzily but most ingasy to help.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yes, right right by the same top. And I'm sure
you can look at the family around and see joy
and celebration and so yeah, it's fascinating stuff. Wow, And
we've only barely touched, like whispered on the topic of
how deep this goes. Honestly, I've tried to be a
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studious person around astrology and it's like, Nope, I'm going
to go look at plants instead. Plants are awesome. But
it happens that I'm this is just as I note,
I happen to be learning from a teacher who talks
about the plants and their connection to the planets. And yes,
it's like, ah, I keep coming back to astrology.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Okay, maybe there's a message in there. I mean, maybe
that is what you're meant to be working on last babies.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Maybe yes, right right right, maybe in that in that arena.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
So, Luisa, thank you so much for being here today
for your wisdom. I really appreciate you. And man, maybe
we can do something like a live or something so
people can get your wisdom like.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Live TOTALLYA for that, absolutely, I'd really like to thank
you for those really great questions, because you know, you've
really kind of stretched me a little bit to sort
of expand on how I think about astrology as well.
So oh awesome, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Of course, of course, yeah, that might be my psychotherapy
self and don't know speak deeply about this. That's awesome. Well,
people can find you. Where's the best.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Way they can find me on New Reality TV? On
the Moment show Monday to Friday, as soon as my Husband,
where we chill out and help people just relax and
just I don't find a nice feeling in the moment.
That's the whole purpose of it is just to kind
of create a nice live community where we can all
come together and share and help each other. I'm going
to be starting a new show in April called Know
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the Stars, No Yourself, so I'd be teaching astrology right
from word going, So every single episode will be adding
into your knowledge so that one day you'll be able
to look at your chilt and be able to interpret it.
So I'm not teaching how to do the calculations, because
there's so many computer programs that do that for you.
But how can you interpret your chart? That's my big passion.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Oh yes, that's a good point. People can get their
own chart calculated, but to interpret it is a whole
other thing, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah. I want to share it as far and as
word as possible and make it as simple as possible
for people.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Oh see, I can't wait to join that and watch
that show. That's new Reality TV dot com.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Oh yeah, and then can also checking out on my
YouTube channel what's well. So that's feel of the astrology
the moment.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
So nice, nice, excellent, all right, good, We've got And
of course all these will be linked up in the
show notes as well. Folks, for listening or you're watching
on YouTube, just click links below you'll find Louisa.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Lisa, you have a beautiful, beautiful rest of your day.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
You too, Thank you so much, and lots of love.
If you're listening, so much love to you.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
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Until next time, my friend, may you be well.
I think you know. What I would say here is
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consciousness is a real thing, but there are real reasons. Astrologically,
if I look at somebody's chart, I can see when
they're more fertile times. So there are particular things that
There's something called the progressed moon that I would study
in somebody's chilt. And you can see the times when
the progressed moon is lined up in a certain way,
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you think, oh, somebody might be getting ready to bring
a child earthfly.
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Hey everyone, Welcome back to the Reluctant Medium podcast. I
have a guest that I've been waiting for on this
show because this comes up in Spirit Baby readings all
the time, and I've needed a brilliant mind to explain
what the frig is happening. Welcome Luisa Tanner Munson, all
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the way from the UK. It's four o'clock in the
afternoon for you, nine in the morning for me. Yay,
it works out. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. We know each other
from the new Reality TV like hosting Extravaganza. We both
have shows there. You have a couple of shows.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yes, yeah, I'm about for a third show. Actually, oh
I've got the.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Bus side, or of the very giving side, the very
giving side.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, chatting about the things I'm really passionate about.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yes, oh yeah, Well I'm so glad you make yourself
available because I need you.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Frankly, we need you.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Everybody needs you. So I'd love to know first just
kind of background, so, like who are you, what do
you do and how did you come to do?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
What you do. Okay, Well, I'm Luca Tony Munson. I'm
an astrologer, but I wouldn't say I'm a very normal astrologer.
You know, I did my usual training, but predominantly I'm
really a channel. Actually, I'm probably more akin to you
than I am through astrology. So you know, I started
off as a kid learning about astrology because I was
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fascinated trying to learn who I was and understand why
I didn't always feel like I could sit in And
I started to read palms. I started to read cards
and tried to sort of interpret the world, you know,
and graphology anything like that just really really caught my attention.
But the thing that was really freaky was when I
was like reading palms at parties, I sees, it's a
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bit of a parlo tric. I would have these moments
where all of a sudden information would come to me
through the palms and I would be able to say
things that you really wouldn't be able to know just
by looking at the lines, and it would freak me
out and I would kind of step back from it.
Especially like coming into puberty, I was really really sensitive
to it, and so I practiced astrology or I studied
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astrology in my late teens because it seemed like the
more formal and the less woo woo thing that I
could do. And then when I was actually in my twenties,
I was still to kind of try and keep it together,
and so I was working as a trainer within banking
and insurance, and so in my spare time I studied
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hypnotherapy and timeline therapy and NLP because again I wanted
to get slightly into the wou woo, but not completely
out myself in a way that you know, might be
a bit embarrassing or you know where I would feel
embarrassed because you know, I was stepping out of my
family context. You know, my family are very I guess
my family are very normal, very graandic people, and they
didn't really understand. Yeah. I remember I was a bit
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of a traveler and I lived in France for a
while and my dad said, why can't you just be normal?
You know, I think he just wanted me to go
to university do very normal things, and it just wasn't
really my bag, I guess. So it took me a
while to come out as an astrologer and did that.
When I became a mum. You know, I really started
to use that a lot. And yeah, and so I
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sort of apprenticed for quite a while. You know, I've
been practicing on friends, and anytime something weird happened in
the world, or I've probably died or got married or
you know, anything that's unusual or kind of life transforming,
I'd always look at the birth charts the astrology of
the related people, and so I just had this wealth
of experience. And then in the last fifteen years, maybe
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fifteen years, I would say I've really sort of come
into my own and yeah, and now I've been practicing
with real life clients well over a decade now, so
oh my god. Yeah, that's that's kind of me. But
like when I do astrology, I see the chart and
I get pulled in. It feels like it's a portal,
you know, so I get insight, you know, so it's
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intuitive insight. I follow these astrological rules only really at
the start, and then after that, I just feel like
I get sucked in. So this kind of web of information,
it's really rich and yeah, and I find it fascinating.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Oh no, kidding, that's so cool. It's actually it reminds
me a little bit of like when I do a
past life regression session for folks, I'm also clairvoyant, so
I get to travel with them. It's sort of that
same combo, you do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I find that when I'm working
with people with hypnotherapy and timeline therapy as well, that
I tend to be kind of multi centsory with it,
you know, all your players or really lit up. But yeah,
in my day to day, I teach astrology and I
work with people using astrology as a consultancy, and my
real aim is to help people heal, you know, to
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feel like they can find a bit more space and
room to be able to, you know, make the next
step on their own, knowing that they're trusting in themselves.
And I guess that's my broach. That's how I want
to be.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, okay, so you help people see their their charts
as sort of their own empowerment tool or roadmap or yeah, okay,
I'm actually this is a general question and then I
would love to move into more well, eventually we'll move
into more specifics. So when so, I don't I know
very very very little about astrology, and when I have
(06:49):
looked up and looked into it. It seems to be
so you know, specific around this is how your life
is going to go, this is who you are. But
do you find there's the way there?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Or are there?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah? Yeah, I tend to rear away from astrologists that
are very fatalistic. I mean, first of all, what's the
point of doing that, you know, I don't think that
really helps people, you know. I only want to be
able to use astrology in a way that's helpful and healing.
And I think telling somebody how things is a It's
(07:23):
not our life. We're not living it, you know, we're
not living that other person's life. So I don't think
it's our place to say that necessarily. But but you
just can't know. I mean, I think when people do
say things with utter certainty, I think they might be
coming from a psychic place, you know, where they absolutely
believe in their visions. But even when I do get
very specific information, I still don't deliver it as if
(07:45):
this is what's happening. I always see everything as a
choice point. It's a conversation, and you know, if the
person I'm working with has a new experience that changes
them or moves them, then everything else shifts with them.
The moment you make a new decision about anything, your
reality is shifting in real time. So I almost feel
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from my perspective that that way of working with somebody
in definitives, I don't know, to me, it doesn't feel
very much like it's really helping in that person evolving
and working through the issues. You know, I think I
think are best it's at all and it's a story
as well. I mean, all of the signs, all of
the planets, all of the houses. You know, the constructs
(08:29):
of astrology are a story. They're telling a story of
your life, and they're telling a story of choice and opportunity,
and we can interpret it in so many different ways,
so many different layers. So yeah, I tend to veer
away from it. I remember years ago, I remember getting
a book from the bookshop and it was saying that
you know, if you have Moon and Pisces, you're going
(08:50):
to be an alcoholic and you wouldn't be up to
much good. And you know that it was the worst
sign to have your moon in, and this, that and
the other, and that's just somebody's opinion. So somebody who's
down on people with moon and Pisces, and they've written
that I have the moon and Pisces, and I did
get a bit of an alcohol issue, you have to say.
But you know then, I, you know, have later asked myself, well,
(09:11):
was that because I was told that would be my reality?
I think we have to be very careful with our
words and and kind of responsibly with the language you use,
because you know, people listen to their doctors, they listen
to their teachers, they listen to law enforcements any anywhere
way you trust in somebody, you're going to listen to
that message and take it on as your own reality.
But there are certainly loads of other gifts with being
(09:33):
a sure person. So I don't know if I explained it, but.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's kind of like I get a little bit fed up.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
With people like that. I kind of want to slap
them around the face. But I think.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, it's so deterministic, right, It kind of reminds me
of what people feel still, even despite epigenetics and other
research coming out that genes determine us. Right, Oh, if
you have a gene for breast cancer, you're done, You're cooked.
And that's not really true. That's not it's not deterministic.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean my mum she had breast cancer,
my grandmother had breast cancer, and they had their cancers
at the same time, and we were they decided to
be part of a study in London, UK, and it's
me and my sister and you know, so they were
trying to work out what the probabilities were for my
sister and I to get breast cancer. And I remember
(10:30):
when I sort of turned forty five, my mom said,
happy birthday. Don't forget this was the year when I
got breast cancer.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And I was like, that's not going to happen. Mom.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, You're like, well, don't forget. I'm not normal.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So I mean, you know, the hospital has said that
they were unrelated cases, caused by different things at different times,
and they lied in different hormones, played things.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
But our lifestyle, our beliefs, it all makes a difference.
And you're right. With epigenetics, we can turn and the
expression of a gene on and off. It's like oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And I wonder about that being similar to the idea
or how to how to think about astrology, because here
here's an example. So I began dating someone. Oh it's
been it's been a year and a half almost, And
when someone I was talking with an astrologer who was like, oh, yeah,
(11:26):
let's talk about the areas where you're going to struggle.
And I'm like, what, okay, But it's true. Some of
these things were aspects of ourselves that were he was
highlighting them. Fine, this is exactly how we were. But
the word that you used before resonated so well, it's evolution, right,
(11:47):
Folks evolve, and I think the two of us have
evolved so well that it's actually a match. It's a
beautiful match. And those aspects of ourselves that are perhaps
in our charts are just they enhance our togetherness. So
that's why I wonder about that. You know, it's like
it seems so fatalistic, as you said, or deterministic. It's like,
(12:10):
this is how you are and you have no choice.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I mean that the punk in me, you know, I
was born in the seventies and really liked punk growing up,
but you know, like the sort of punk attitude in me,
and the sort of rebelliousness like my mum say, oh,
it's because you're an indigo child. You're an indiguy being weird.
But but yeah, I don't like people telling me what
(12:35):
my experience is going to be.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
That right, bye, exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
But I mean, you know, some people do want to
know exactly. You know, I do have some people say, look,
I really need to know what your opinion is here,
and then others I can tell that if if I
expressings in that way, it's going to help them. So,
you know, I think we I'm sure you're like that
with the people you work with. You know, there are
some people who do want you to be straight. But
you know, anytime I'm strength with him, I say, but
(13:01):
that's just my opinion. It's how I might handle this
if I was in your shoes. I'm not you, and
I see what you've got your choice there. I mean,
when I first looked at my chart with my husband,
I kind of had to look away because I realized
it's going to be a lot of challenge. And you know,
if I'd spent a lot of time really analyzing it,
(13:24):
I may have talked myself out of the experience of
meeting him because it looked like it was too much change.
But that was exactly what we needed. We have so
many common interests. We're fascinated with way the world works
and how we are fitting against spiritually. We broadcast together.
It's our hobby. We've made it our reality. We've got
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three children, which you know, for him was he's ten
years older than me, and I didn't start having children
until I was thirty just thirty seven of my last
when I was almost forty four, So you know, we
were kind of flying, very loose and free, not really
planning things. Now that wouldn't have happened if I'd have
played it safe and gone for a safe person. But
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I wanted the adventure. You know, we've migrated. We actually,
although we're both from London, we now live in Portugal,
in Europe, so you know, we've made so many different changes.
And again you know the astrology that looks challenging, that
could be good challenging or also terrifying challenging, and sometimes
it's both. And still that's you know, that's our tapestry.
(14:33):
It's what we've chosen.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Oh tapestry. Yes, yes, I love that. Oh my gosh, okay,
I have so many questions. Where shall I start? So
when I looked at astrology, I cannot believe you know,
you say, and I say a lot of people say, oh,
(14:55):
you know, it's pretty will, Will it's freaking scientific, like,
am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
No, So society, the planet, like your actual birth chart itself,
is based on astronomy. Well, it's based on the combination
of astronomy. So like the position of the planets and
the orbit that is observed from our place on Earth.
You know, we're watching and observing, you know, the patterns
(15:23):
of the Moon, the patterns of the Sun and so
on and so forth from our observation point. But that
is compared to a fixed place, like a fixed location
in the cosmos. So we have created this what's you know,
known as the Ecliptic Belt, which is you know, constructed
of these constellations you know, and we know them now
(15:45):
as aries tourist Gemini right the way through to Pi
Seas and stuff like this huge belt that goes around us,
like it's massive circle. If you just imagine a big plate,
it's all the way around the plate, a bit like
a big take tin and so right in the middle
projecting if we're looking out and we're looking at the
position of the Moon and the Sun and all the
(16:05):
different planets, and we're lining it up against a constellation
and saying, right, that's at four degrees in that constellation. Now, yeah,
it's a weird one because this is where the story
telling comes in. You know, the planets are absolutely measured
across this ecliptic plane, so that is calculated, but the
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ecliptic plane is it real? It's basically the meaning that
we've given it. We've seen some stars and said, oh
that's aries and when anything goes through this part it
works in this particular way. Now that will only work
on Earth because if we were to fly to Jupiter
and observe the ecliptic, it would look completely different from
Jupiter's perspective. If Elon has his way and moves us
(16:51):
all the mass that's astrology go on, you know, we
have to, we'd have to recalibrate it all and make
new stories. So the planets and their relationship to each
other based on their real time positions, if we can
believe what we've been told from NASA and other observatories,
that is based on astronomical positions, but it's also based
(17:16):
on their positions in comparison to this made our circle
or this circle that we've leaning onto. So it's a
bit like I don't know. I mean, one of the
things that makes it feel real to me is if
enough people believe in something, it becomes real, you know,
like we observe a narrative, we start to behave like
(17:38):
we I think we can manifest things together. So over time,
observations have been made that when the moon goes through
the constellation of Aries and Scorpia in particular, that there
are really really strong emotions going on, quite fiery emotions,
and emotions that really stir us. And you know, when
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Venus is going to the sign of Libra, for instance,
that you know, we are quite happy and content. Where
it goes through areas not so much, you know. So
there are these observations, and over time we've we've you know,
we've we've made judgments about them. But what I prefer
is to look at the and this is where it
gets kind of really interesting. I like the mathematical patterns
(18:22):
that the planet's formed to each other, so as they're
going around the outside of the circle, they're never always
in the same space. You know, if you imagine all
the hands of a clock face, So right now I'm
looking at a clock right above me, and it's got
a minute a second and an hour hand. So they're
all going at different speeds. And so if all of
those were planets, they would all start at the same point,
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but you know, one of them would start lapping within
a minute, and so on and so forth. And so
the planets are all moving at different relative speeds, and
so there are times when one planet and another at
one hundred and twenty degrees away from each other, with
us being in the middle. So we make these triangles
and they start to make patterns. And so what has
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been observed is when planets are a certain distance from
each other making these angles, we have a certain kind
of quality of energy. And so people talk about trines
as being very lucky and flowing and squares has been
really difficult and frustrating and oppositions. I eat the full
moon when the moon and the sun appear to be
(19:28):
in different parts of the sky, we feel very torn
and pulled. And that the new moon, it's like a
clean sheet. So it's a whole new language.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Oh my gosh. Literally, Yeah, I wondered about how folksus.
You're right, I feel like a group of especially a
group of people, can create massive change energetically. There's been
research to actually support that, which we can go down
that rabbit hole or whatever. Yeah, heart mas stuff meditation
(19:59):
in Washington, DC, the crime levels went down by fifty
percent or something. Anyway, lots lots of stuff to support it.
But the idea around I'm wondering how people have come
up with this or right, like you said, we've developed
this story around how you know, the belt and the
planets and all that, and the and the constellations and
(20:19):
what they mean. And I'm wondering if they were developed
because of observation, because of data collection, because of taking
notes or something. I don't know, is that how like,
how did these stories come up?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
How do how?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Why does Taurus I'm a Taurus? Why are Taurus people
seen as super grounded? And they like material stuff which
I don't really do so except for my crystals behind me, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Addicted, I'm in front of me. Yeah, I'm surrounded by plants.
Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, it's fascinating. I I guess
like historically, and again, I like to talk about things
when I can know them, you know, with some certainty
and from experience. So it always speaks me out a
(21:08):
little bit when I'm talking historically about how it all
came to be because you know, we might find out
in ten years time or one hundred years time that
what we know to be our past was just a
load of stories that were made up, you know. So
my understanding is that it was really helpful in terms
of agriculture. So in terms of the moon to the
(21:28):
full moon, it's a waxing moon phase. The moon is
gradually getting bigger and bigger and bigger. That's the time
when you're planting out, when you might be sowing seeds,
maybe not right on the full moon, but just after.
Hair apparently grows faster between the new moon and the
full moon, and like during the full moon and the
new moon, when it's waning and the moon's getting smaller,
(21:48):
it's the time to tidy things up. And so I
think people started living in tune with the moon, and
they noticed that, you know, wars broke out more often
when you know, different things happened. But I mean, like
initially when they started, if what we've been told is
completely true, they have only been able to see being
some mass, you know with me, you know, And then
(22:11):
as things progress that people were able to see more
and more and further and further, and so our observations
have grown. But I think I think things changed when
we got the printing press, you know, so I think
a lot of this knowledge was kept secret for quite
a while. You know, there's lots of astrologers that talk
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about these huge astrology libraries in the Vatican and things
like that. You know, when I look at the dates
of big ceremonies, the dates of when royal children are born,
you know, coronations and things like that, I think that's
interesting that that astrology is happening on that day. To me,
(22:55):
it doesn't you know, a lot of a lot of
the children we hear about being born from the royal families,
you know, we hear that there's some kind of medical intervention.
There's a lot of babies coming in around eclipses. So
I noticed that a lot of big events happen, you know,
in these kind of slightly different societies. We're not talking
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about everyday people. There's a lot that seems to happen
at very extreme times, like for instance, coming up to
just before, just before the pandemic that we're always talking about,
lots of astrologers were saying, oh my god, what's going
to happen, What's going to happen because we had this
combination of three planets, like the hands on the clock,
(23:36):
all coming together at the same spot. So one of
them was Pluto, and Pluto is like the god of
death and destruction but also regeneration. I think of Pluto
as being a compost bit, you know, like everything kind
of dies in the bin. However it breaks down into
the lovely molecules and microbes and this, that and the other,
and then new life comes from it. So it's very
(23:59):
much the fee It's the resurrection, you know. So Pluto
with its ideas of death and dying and it's really permanent.
It's slow moving and it takes a while, but it
has massive impact. Then we had Satain, which is also
associated with Kronos, you know, so old father time, but
also the grim reaper. You know, Saturn kicks our backsides
(24:21):
if we are a bit lazy, you know, we get
these tests. There are actual cycles in life, like the
Saturn return that happens to people. So something comes back
to the place it was in and the tile place
and date at your birth around the time of your
twenty ninth birthday twenty nine and a half. It varies
from person to person, and then again as you turn
around to be about like fifty eight to fifty nine.
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And so the Saturn returns are noted around the world.
People observe it, you know, most people that come to me,
I can see instantly why they're coming, you know, because
there's something planetary happening. There are cycles on cycles. But
we had Satin, who's a pain in the backside, Pluto
who has mass control issues, and then Jupiter that magnifies
everything and makes everything so much bigger, all coming together
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in the sign of Capricorn, which is the sign associated
with big businesses, amalgamations of things, orders of authority, and
so we came to a time when all of a sudden,
countries around the world were all working together at the
same time, at the same speed, with the same message.
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And there were themes of death and dying that were
spreading far and wide. With Jupiter's influence using the media
and Saturn the authority, and of course all of us
astrologers were saying, what's going to happen, what's going to happen.
Those three plants hadn't been together for about three thousand
years or so, so it was pretty big. It's pretty big.
We knew something big was happening now, I know, to
(25:49):
think pandemic, like you know, if i'd really really thought
about it, it just it wasn't quite in my mind.
But of course in hindsight, you know. So yeah, I
mean we've got massive astrology right now, but we observe
these cycles and yeah, and these big cycles, big stuff happens.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Does that make it? On one hand, I can see
that being sort of comforting, like, Okay, I'm prepared. But
on the other hand, oh shit, what is like it
can create anxiety?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
What does it do for Yeah, it's both. I mean
I've to stop my practice every now and again. So
like last year was quite intense, and I had my
followers sort of increased quite exponentially through the year and
ask in so many bookings because we're going through this
real big period of change. You mean that I'm absolutely
(26:37):
sure we're about you know, and Pluto, this this planet
that I was talking about that takes a really really
long time to change. Science has been for the last
couple of years in between the sign of Capital and Aquarius,
and so every time Pluto went into Aquarius, we kind
of jumped forwards. And Ais is one of the themes
and everything that's automated consciousness, all these themes that are
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coming up, and about decentralization is another real sort of
aquarium theme. And then every time Pluto went back into
a capitol, because they appear to move, and then from
the way we were observing, it looks like they slow
down and go backwards and then they move forwards. Get
So Pluto has now transitioned into Aquarius. Finally he's going
(27:21):
to be there for the next twenty years. So it's
ushering in a whole new era. And around these times,
the stock markets and the stock exchanges they change, you know,
with the planet's changing signs, And so I was getting
a lot of people booking consultations. It's great for business,
but what I realized is lots of people were connecting
(27:42):
with me because I was their only hope. That's how
it felt. I felt like people were like almost pulling
me down a little bit, and bless them, it's because
you know, they've got worried. And so I used my
channel I call my channel feel good astrology, because yes,
we're going through these these big changing times, but I
also seen them as massive opportunities for us to uplift
(28:03):
and change and shake ourselves free of all the worry.
So anywhere where they might be anxiety, my message is
this is what we've been waiting for, you know, this
is to shake us free from anywhere where we've been
formulaic and our thinking where we've you know, because I
think you know, we are humans, and we've come to
accept that being human is really quite rational, and I
(28:26):
don't think we were as rationals we're meant to be.
When you look at other animals and creatures and the
rest of nature, there's a freedom, there's a beauty. Every
other animal creature on this planet knows themselves, don't need
they don't even as stronger. They just know what to eat,
when to eat, how to live. And it's like our
lives that are so complicated. And so I am quite
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excited with these these times that are having us shrugging
all these energies off and like like a dog where
it's kind of shaking everything free. Yeah, but of course
it's hard for people who are habituated into security. And
you know, if you've got kids, which I know you
have and I've got kids, it's a worrying time when
we contemplate change because we don't know how we're going
(29:11):
to do it necessarily. Yeah, so I take time off
quite regularly to kind of shake myself off and keep
strong because you can catch it. You know, if enough
people feel anxious, it really spreads out there.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
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for all of that. That is amazing stuff. And I
know that we can go deeper, deeper, deeper. There's so
much to know about astrology that is just mind blowing. Okay,
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I do want to ask you about this because it
keeps coming up in spirit baby sessions and for folks
who haven't listened to me before or know this. I
do mediumship work speaking with folks spirit babies who are
coming onto the planet right now, and they talk sometimes
not all babies, but some babies will talk specifically about
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when they want to come. And I have noticed that
it's difficult for me to tell sometimes the difference between
when they want to be born and when they want
to be conceived. And I'm like, is that a thing?
So I'm asking the pro today.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Is that a thing?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Because I this came up one time. I remember, I said,
the baby keeps telling me October twenty ninth, October twenty ninth,
October twenty ninth. Now that to me means I want
to that's my birthday. But she was like, I'm pregnant
now and the conception date was October twenty ninth. I'm like, what, so,
what does that mean? And why would conception be important?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
H Well, I mean, I guess it, but depends on
your view of when life begins. I know that's the
hot topic, you know in some circles around the world,
you know, like lots of people believe that life begins
when the baby's bawn. But yeah, I mean, from my
own experience, see any one I can talk about. I
have been speaking to my babies, like my own three
(32:05):
that I've birthed from before they were even conceived. So
I knew they wanted to come through. I heard them,
I felt them. My husband and I charged our glasses
with wine and said, come when you're ready, lady against
an open door, Come when you're ready. Then that they did.
We knew that they were coming. And yeah, throughout the pregnancy,
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the consciousness was there, you know, we could I was.
I mean, my husband and I were both having with
our first We were having dreams that kind of matched
each other's scenes, and we were check in the morning
and it was as if, you know, the consciousness of
our child was talking to us. It felt like we
were being upgraded somehow so that we'd be ready for him. So, oh,
(32:48):
you know, I think you know what I would say
here is consciousness is a real thing. But there are
real reasons astrologically, if I look at somebody's chart, I
can see when they are more fertile times. So there
are particular things that There's something called the progressed moon
that I would study in somebody's chart, and you can
see the times when the progress moon is lined up
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in a certain way. You think, oh, somebody might be
getting ready to bring a child earthside, or something BIG's
about to happen. So, for instance, my husband has got
five children, he's got three with me, and there's a
pretty good interval they're all born apart from one of them,
they're all born at intervals of seven, and that happens
to fit in really interestingly with the cycle of the
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progressed moon that has a twenty eight to twenty nine
year cycle, And so you know, from his first child
this particular progress mood was like, we have these things
called angles in our chart. It kind of separates our
chart into four four sections, and these angles are very
very sensitive points. When a planet goes over it, it
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triggers an experience in us. But these are really really
sensitive angles. And the progress moon, I think, and it's
not even a real thing. That's the thing it's it's
a calculation, but it's so interesting because when the progressman
goes over one of these angles, something extraordinary is happening
that is moving us in our life. And yeah, four
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out five of his babies were born when it was
crossing one of his angles. For me, the progress gosh
in alignment with one of my planets. But there's never
only just one sign. There's usually quite a few signs.
And the first baby picks up in your chart a
lot more than subsequent babies because that's the you know,
if anything happens in your life that changes your life
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and how you live it, planets will be matching up
and aligning with your chart because that's what moves you
on to the next stage, and that's what heralds you
as a parent. And so you can see it in
somebody's chart something big is happening and it's going to
change the way they live forever. So yeah, it's fascinating.
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So that's why you know, when you look at the
charts of parents and you know, and their children, there's
there's always things that come up, and there are family themes.
So you have three or four planets that sort of
come up in similar areas of the zodiac. So you
know that bell Tim is talking about and obviously it's
a circle, so it's got three hundred and sixty degrees
in it, but there will be you know a few
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little pockets where there are these links like linking us
and that's I see it as like cosmic DNA and
here's the thing. So you know, we might say, well, okay,
so that talks about the story about like maternal like
like DNA related birthings. You know, so like with mums
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and children, you know that they've birthed themselves, But the
same happens with adoption. So you know, when you look
at the chart of an adopted child, it will fit
in with the chart of his adopted mother because that
child comes in and changes your life, and so there
is something about their chart that resonates with yours. Yeah,
I've seen I've never seen a chart between a parent
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that hasn't had a link ever that.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Okay, so you just broadened it free because I'm thinking
it's about the baby, right, because the baby's telling me
this date, this date, and I'm thinking it's a baby
focused but you're saying, no, it's I mean, it's more
complicated than that, yeah, it's me.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
That's a good question, like is it about the baby?
Is it about the baby? From your perspective, it is,
And of course I don't really ever do astrology for
the baby unless a baby was talking to me, in
which case I would, but I've never worked that way.
I've never really asked, so I yeah, I always sit
from the parent's perspective. But I remember when I was
pregnant with one of my children and seeing my homeopath
(36:45):
and saying, oh, I really want the birth to be
like this, it has to be like this, and you say, look,
your child will get the birth that they need for
the revolution and what they've come here to do. And
so I realized, you know, there's only so much we
can plan for. And sometimes if the baby's got a
different idea and the parents got a different idea, it's
a negotiation. But I really do think it's a symphony,
(37:09):
you know, it's like a tapestry of energies. And with
my middle child, she was due around Christmas and i'd
gone to like in England at the time they'd said,
you know, once you're over forty, that's it. You're a
geriatric parent, and so they didn't want me bursting this
child over Christmas because they don't have as many specialists
(37:30):
on and they were trying to persuade me that it
was all going to go one key and it was
going to be terrible, and I succumbed to a lot
of the talk and I agreed to be induced. Now,
when our daughter came out, she was fast asleep, and
she was big. She was fast asleep, and she was
really really dopey and beautiful, and yeah, it was a
(37:52):
relief she came. But I remember about two weeks later,
all of a sudden, I heard her voice in my
head say, this was the moment I was meant to
be born, And so I wrote it down. So I've
got her actual birthday, her physical birthday. I've also got
her spirit birthday.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Oh, my dad is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Holy crap.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Who that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And so then when we can, we could we could
look at all of these stories, like, if ever, you
have a baby that's talking to you and you need
to check something out with me, I'm really happy to
get involved because we could really tease out the stories,
especially with the moms and the dads.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Oh my god, it would be so fun to have
some kind of like live event with you or something
where people can ask these kinds of questions of both
of us. Right, okay, so final question because we can
talk for freaking ever. Goodness. Okay, So I have been
told by by folks that by by astrologists, but I
(38:53):
of course want to ask you. I have been told
that you can see in someone's chart when they are
supposed to have children, supposed to have children, and how
many is that accurate?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's not my experience?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Good, okay, good, please speak to that.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
It's not it's not my experience. I'd be really interested
to know where they learned that from, which books you
know they learn that from, because I always like to
you know, I don't want to say that's not how
it is. I would rather have a look at their texts,
you know, the text that they've got that from, or
their teachers, and learn it because it might be something
that I don't yet know. I mean this, you know,
(39:31):
going back to my earlier comments saying I want to
just slap fatalistic astronogers around faith.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Really right, right?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I mean you know, they might they might be more
experienced than me and know something that I don't which
could transform my practice. But in my experience, anything is possible, truly,
But I do I do notice that there are times
for things that happen. Definitely notice that there are cycles
within cycles. And I've worked with people in their fertility
(40:00):
and sort of helped them see when they might be
more likely to give birth. But you know, I mean,
I can see relationships coming in. But that doesn't mean
to say that it actually happens. But I do know
that there are some astrologists that say, no, it won't
happen until this exact day. I don't think that's normal
Western astrology. I would like to learn from them for sure.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, well, and how long have you been doing this?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
A couple of decades? Let me, it's being like a
lifelong study. At the moment, I was giving pocket money
when I was eleven, I went to the local bookstore,
and then astrology Compendium. So it's been life long. And
now I have clients all the time that I'm practicing
with and sort of expanding with. Really, what I do
is just notice patterns. I just keep noticing more and
(40:48):
more patterns, and then I just talk about them.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, I'd like so the way that you frame it
is we are very similar I'm born in the seventies,
indigo child totally a little bit rebelly, is weird in
my family all that, But so so how you and
I sort of frame it is similar in that one
is there's patterns. One is evolving or growing or changing
or transcending or trans whatever I'm transitioning, and that can
(41:15):
be on the three D plane, accomplished in various ways.
The birth of a child, the death of a child, marriage, divorce,
like all of these things can happen on the three
D plane. But it's all evolving the soul or helping
supporting the soul in some way. So right to say
(41:35):
you're going to have you know, seven children and they
will be born on these dates, and it's it seems
a little bit like, what.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's true? Then that's that's a different type of astrology
that I haven't haven't learned. One of that is a
quite well known astrology that I'm going to be interviewing
for our show soon. And he was at our wedding
ten years ago. I mean, he's a he's a he's
a good egg. And he said to me, because I
was talking about trying to know exactly when my children
(42:06):
were going to come and try as I might, I
couldn't find the exact day that any of them were
going to be born. He said, You'll never You'll never
ever do it at the best. You you just can't.
But when you do see it, you'll see the pattern. Yeah,
it's really hard to see. You can always see it
in hindsight. And it's the same like with death. You know,
(42:27):
lots of people, you know, they are looking for deafinites,
so they know how, you know, so they can calm
themselves and they can manage their life a lot of
bit easier. You can't really see death in somebody's chart
as easy as you can see mourning in the charts
of people that lose somebody, so for instance. But you
know that to me makes real sense because every one
(42:49):
of us is born at a particular moment in time,
and even though we make a massive difference to our
parents and maybe to a partner when we need to partner,
and to our own children, you know, individual programming. Just
because we're special in that moment when we're born doesn't
mean to say there's a role sort of absolutely special chart.
You know, we can't have absolutely really strong coding in
(43:11):
every single chart, every single day, you know, but we
arrive at the time when we're affecting people around us
who are going to be caring for us. And so
when people die, you know, all they're doing is moving.
I don't mean to kind of make everything sound hideously simple,
because birth and death is just not that simple. I
don't wait, but you know, like a baby coming forwards,
(43:35):
it's like they're coming. From my perspective, I'm just talking
for myself, it feels like they're coming through a veil.
I know there's obviously a physical process, but to me,
it feels like the consciousness has come from somewhere else
and it's manifesting here. And then when we're going through
the death process, that consciousness is moving on. So from
my perspective, that child was never on. From my perspective,
(44:00):
that charge was next three is either being born or
is passing away. So from that perspective, the death chart
and the birth chart aren't necessarily that special, but you'll
see the effect that it has the people around them.
So I would always look at the family the deceased,
(44:22):
you know, if they're all showing grief at the same time,
there's the death or the diagnosis that leads to their death,
so it can be grizzily but most ingasy to help.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yes, right right by the same top. And I'm sure
you can look at the family around and see joy
and celebration and so yeah, it's fascinating stuff. Wow, And
we've only barely touched, like whispered on the topic of
how deep this goes. Honestly, I've tried to be a
(44:57):
studious person around astrology and it's like, Nope, I'm going
to go look at plants instead. Plants are awesome. But
it happens that I'm this is just as I note,
I happen to be learning from a teacher who talks
about the plants and their connection to the planets. And yes,
it's like, ah, I keep coming back to astrology.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Okay, maybe there's a message in there. I mean, maybe
that is what you're meant to be working on last babies.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Maybe yes, right right right, maybe in that in that arena.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
So, Luisa, thank you so much for being here today
for your wisdom. I really appreciate you. And man, maybe
we can do something like a live or something so
people can get your wisdom like.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Live TOTALLYA for that, absolutely, I'd really like to thank
you for those really great questions, because you know, you've
really kind of stretched me a little bit to sort
of expand on how I think about astrology as well.
So oh awesome, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Of course, of course, yeah, that might be my psychotherapy
self and don't know speak deeply about this. That's awesome. Well,
people can find you. Where's the best.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Way they can find me on New Reality TV? On
the Moment show Monday to Friday, as soon as my Husband,
where we chill out and help people just relax and
just I don't find a nice feeling in the moment.
That's the whole purpose of it is just to kind
of create a nice live community where we can all
come together and share and help each other. I'm going
to be starting a new show in April called Know
(46:32):
the Stars, No Yourself, so I'd be teaching astrology right
from word going, So every single episode will be adding
into your knowledge so that one day you'll be able
to look at your chilt and be able to interpret it.
So I'm not teaching how to do the calculations, because
there's so many computer programs that do that for you.
But how can you interpret your chart? That's my big passion.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Oh yes, that's a good point. People can get their
own chart calculated, but to interpret it is a whole
other thing, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah. I want to share it as far and as
word as possible and make it as simple as possible
for people.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Oh see, I can't wait to join that and watch
that show. That's new Reality TV dot com.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Oh yeah, and then can also checking out on my
YouTube channel what's well. So that's feel of the astrology
the moment.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
So nice, nice, excellent, all right, good, We've got And
of course all these will be linked up in the
show notes as well. Folks, for listening or you're watching
on YouTube, just click links below you'll find Louisa.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Lisa, you have a beautiful, beautiful rest of your day.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
You too, Thank you so much, and lots of love.
If you're listening, so much love to you.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Thank you for joining the Reluctant Medium podcast today. I
hope that this episode has brought you beautiful high vibration
and that it continues emanating from your heart space for
the rest of the day and beyond. Don't forget to
join the Reluctant Medium on Patreon dot com and you
can also visit the Reluctant Media u s and the
(48:02):
Reluctant Medium TV show on New Reality tv dot com.
Until next time, my friend, may you be well.
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