March 27, 2025 • 44 mins
In this episode of the Reluctant Medium Podcast, the host interviews Dr. Caroline Huarte, a licensed clinical psychologist and board-certified behavior analyst, who has transformed the host's health journey. Dr. Caroline shares her personal and professional experiences, emphasizing the importance of nutrition, holistic health, and tapping into the body's innate wisdom. She discusses the significance of digestion, blood sugar regulation, hydration, and the impact of a bio-individual approach to wellness. Tune in to learn more about Dr. Caroline's unique blend of nutritional psychology and integrative mental health practices, and discover practical tips for achieving a balanced and vibrant life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We live in an age where we are bombarded with
social media and mass marketing and pharmaceutical industries that are
backing nutritional science research projects, and you know, everyone's in
each other's pockets, and the information out there is so
clouded no one really knows what to believe anymore of it.
(00:22):
Because of all that, we have gotten completely disconnected from
that innate knowing.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Welcome to the Reluctant Medium, where we cover the gamut
of out there conversations with an open mind and a
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hasn't quite caught up to yet. I'm your host, doctor
(00:52):
Maria Rothenberger, a psychotherapist by trade and a reluctant spirit
baby communicator. And Hey, even though I'm a medium, I'm
not buying everything folks are selling. I just have a
voracious appetite to know more about what I call the
world of the weird. Join us on your favorite podcast
platform or watch on YouTube. At the Reluctant Medium I'll
see you there. Hey, Welcome everyone back to the Reluctant
(01:22):
Medium podcast. Today's guest. It's no understatement to say this
person changed my life. And you would think, okay, it's
something mental health related or spiritual related.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And it is.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It comes around to that. But I have to tell
you kind of embarrassingly for the first time publicly, it
was like three years before I finally listened to my
guides who told me I really had to pay attention
to what I was putting in my body. And it
took me getting deathly ill. Not literally, I was very ill,
(01:56):
but it was like a month of illness before I
reached out to now my beloved friend, doctor Caroline Horite
and said, I freaking need help, and she was like,
I got you back. Welcome doctor Caroline.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So good to be here, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So stoked to have you. Oh my goodness. I don't
even know where to start, but I'm just going to
dive in because really, you I still do. It's been
a couple of years now and I still do the
things that doctor Caroline prescribed, and it's just my life
is just so much more vivid and just lovely, just lovely.
(02:39):
I feel more myself than ever. And yeah, so I
just want to start with who are you? And what
do you do? And why do you do what you do?
How'd you come and do it?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, it's a long story ish, but I'll try to
wrap it up sweet. So my name is doctor Caroline Harte,
and I am a licensed clinical psychologist and I'm board
certified behavior and and I worked for miny many years
in the autism and behavioral health space. In my last
you know, big corporate type position, I was running and
(03:10):
applied behavior analysis therapy company, overseeing lots of staff training,
working with kids and families, and that was my passion.
But I think secondarily to that, I always have had
a passion for holistic health. And you know, after dealing
with some of my own health challenges, sort of went
down a rabbit hole of studying health and nutrition. And
(03:31):
I think first it started as excuse me listening to
podcasts and reading books, and then I thought, I need
to go to school for this. So a number of
years ago I went back to school after getting a
PhD and doing all those things, and got my Functional
and Nutritional Therapy Practitioner certification. Initially, I think just for
my own knowledge. I wanted more information to help myself
(03:53):
and my future family someday. And then I realized, oh
my god, this is like mind blowing and from and
everybody needs to know this. And like how like already
having the mental health background and the behavior change background,
like what a beautiful pairing to bring in that holistic
nutrition piece to heal welly can't use the word heal,
(04:17):
but to help people on their health journey step a
lame mind, body, spirit, you know, because as you've spoken
about many times on your show, that's that's who we are.
We're not just the mind or the body or the
spirit where everything rolled into one. So so yeah, I'm
a functional nutritional therapy practitioner and I when people tell me,
(04:41):
you know, ask me in an elevator, what do you do?
I tell people I'm a nutritional psychologist because that sort
of I feel like, wraps everything up into one sweet
description that I can explain from there what that is.
And then I'm also a certified integrative mental health practitioner.
I have that certification as well. And so you know,
I was laid off from that last job that I
(05:03):
was explaining about and took that as a sign from
the universe to follow my intuition and go do this
nutrition training program that I had been wanting to do
for years, and it was the best thing I've ever done.
And I now have my own business, Nourish and Flourcialistic Psychology,
where I do some psychotherapy, I do some nutritional therapy,
(05:23):
some behavior coaching stuff and I roll that all into one.
And I don't have a specific clientele necessarily that I
work with. You know, I know in the business marketing
space we have to niche down, but I have this
passion for what I do and I just want to
help anyone and everyone. So if you have a health
(05:45):
issue or a mental health issue, like, come on, we
can work on any and all of it.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, do you want to live a good life, Go
see doctor Carolina.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I love that. I'm going to get shirt made.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Get a shirt made. Hey, you want to live a
good life, here you go. I can attest to that.
I'm telling you I've talked about you on my podcast
because I can't say enough phenomenal things about not just
like working with you. Obviously that's beautiful and wonderful. You're
a lovely human, but the freaking results are just astounding.
(06:21):
It's hard to believe that this simple and Okay, so
I know you can't call it healing, but I'm going
to say I felt healed after working with you. And
it was only freaking ninety days, Caroline. It is like
three months of concerted effort. I'm like, you tell me
what to do, I'm doing it. I did it except
(06:42):
for one thing which I want to talk about, which
is so cool working with you, and it was, Yeah,
it's just a crazy change in my life.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So well, so when clients come to me, it's one
of the main things that I tell them because I
was off there that I discovered call up front, you know,
is partly that's to gather some information, make sure we're
a good fit for working with one another. But the
body has an innate knowing of what it needs. But
we live in an age where we are bombarded with
(07:16):
social media and mass marketing and you know, pharmaceutical industries
that are backing nutritional science research projects, and you know,
everyone's in each other's pockets, and the information out there
is so clouded, right, no one really knows what to
believe anymore of it. Because of all that we have,
we have gotten just completely disconnected from that innate knowing,
(07:40):
and so what I really work with with many clients
is to tap back into that you know, and there
are some you know things that science has shown us
that these things are more health promoting than others, right,
But it's we're all different. It's the foundation of what
we do in nutritional therapy is that everything's bio individual.
So what works for you is very different than what
make work for me, because we all come at things
(08:02):
with a different age and you know, sex and activity
level and phase of life that we're in that dictates
nutritionally what we need to put into our systems. So
also cultural heritage and all those kinds of things play
into that. So it's it's really very custom tailored to
(08:24):
the individual. But really helping people tap back into that
knowing of what their body needs is a big thing.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yes, well that's true, right on exactly what I was
going to say, Except the one thing that's the one
thing that I rejected was one of the it was
like a sugar challenge or something no sugar challenge, and
I was like, this doesn't feel right to me, and
You're like, then don't do it. And it was like, wait,
what you're like the pro and you're saying, then don't
(08:54):
do it because of that message you know you have,
your body knows you have an innate knowing you how
you need to trust that. Yes, I am. I have
one hundred letters after my name, and I think you
literally do have a hundred letters.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I don't know. I've never added them up.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But there's a lot. There's so many. This woman knows
a lot, you guys, he knows a lot. But you
still defer to the person and who they are and
what they are tapping into in their own body, their
own bodies wisdom. That's what I wanted to highlight about that.
It is so great working with you because of that.
(09:30):
I will say, though, this isn't just like you know
people say the woo. It isn't like, oh, we're just
gonna tap into divine light and see. No, you're like, Okay,
here's an inventory that I want you to take. I
want to talk about all your symptoms, all of you know,
how you're pooping, how you're peeing, how what your activity
level is like, what you know. I want you to
(09:50):
do this diary of like food that you know, for
I remember what it was a week or three days
or something. I don't remember that, but yeah, And it's
like sound, scientific, evidence based data gathering gathering, and then
you show, look, here's where you are. There's a graph
that you can see where your symptoms are, and then
(10:12):
you test again at the end of it and show
where the graph has moved, hopefully for the better, and
what still can be worked on or whatever. It's not
just it's like everything. It's mind, body spirit. I think
I felt brighter, happier, more thrivy, more flourishy.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, I mean I think that's what we're just sort
of again clouded by like what we consider to be
the standard American diet, right, or the sad diet all it. Oh,
it's pretty heavily processed, right, full of refined sugar, unhealthy
seed oils. But it's just what's convenient. What's in the
(10:55):
brightly colored package that's marketed really beautifully to us, that
says healthy and all natural on the front, And so
we just consume that and go on with their day
and don't really think about it, and then we wonder
away we have chronic pain and fatigue and you know,
brain fog and irritability and mood disorders and all kinds
of things you know, but it all comes back to
(11:17):
the foundations. So this, you know, the assessment that you're
talking about that I do with all of my clients.
It's called the Nutritional Assessment Questionnaire, and it asks like,
I think, guess at three hundred and fifty questions or something,
And it's somewhat subjective based on the individual clients report, right,
because they're just rating on a scale of how frequently
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that symptom or you know, item is in their life.
But it gives me this beautiful graph of what I
consider the foundations of health. So those main things are
nutrient or excuse me, or digestion. So how optimal your
digestive system is working north to south? So are you
producing enough stomach acid and enzymes and bile, And how's
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your small intestine and large intest and funk, what's the
state of your microbiome. It looks at blood sugar regulation,
so those are like the two big keys, digestion and
blood sugar. It looks at stress, sleep, how much you're
moving your overall nutrient density of your diet. Are you
getting enough vitamins, minerals, fatty acids? Are you hydrating? Most
of this nation is so severely dehydrated. That is like
(12:20):
at the root of a lot of problems. So while
we have you know, reportable symptoms like exima or brain
fog or depression or autoimmune disease or whatever it may be,
those are the consequential or secondary things to those foundations
being out of balance. So regardless of what someone comes
(12:42):
to me for, you know, if they want to just
come to a nutritionis for weight loss, right, I always say,
like that's a positive side effect usually of working on
the foundations that once you've got the body back into homeostasis,
things will find their natural rhythm. Yes, working with people
to just clean up that standard American diet to real
(13:03):
whole foods and properly preparing foods and pairing foods with
each other. Well, yes, for energy and mood are stable
and you're getting all the key nutrients that you need. Yeah,
it's really cool.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yes, the gut health. Yeah, that's what you diagnosed me
with leaky got and that was just like a game
changer for me. Like what so all the things that
I've been trying to do are just going bye bye,
like they're not being absorbed or taking like used properly.
What I was going to say too for the listener
slash YouTube watcher that some of the recommendations, well, I'll
(13:43):
say I'll speak for my personal experience, were like counter
to what I would have thought. For example, because you
talk about not just food, you talk about movement and
meditation and these kinds of things. Right mind, body soul,
I was needing to I really knew that I was.
My body was so unhealthy. I had been pecking on
(14:05):
the pounds and don't understand why. I thought that I
had to be like running five miles a day or something,
and your recommendation was actually to be more gentle with
my body because I was an adrenal fatigue And I went, oh,
I'm what like you need to be? Yeah, you need
(14:26):
to be like kind to your to yourself right now.
It's temporary and you can start And I did start
running again, by the way, but I had to heal first. Again,
you didn't call it healing. I call it healing. I
had to take care of this first. I had to
take care of my body first and get out of
adrenal fatigue. And it was counter to what I thought.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So, like we are told, oh, you want to lose
belly fat, do do, why do z? And what you
suggested was not that it was very different and water
was a massive just gonna say water, water, water, water
with element with electrolytes.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, that was another thing answered find them. But
I tell everybody on the planet to drink their product.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It's amazing you do. It's so good. It's been I
don't know, almost two years now, has it been two years? No,
I don't even know how long year and a half
and I still I'm still, you know, doing a lot.
Because that's another thing you said, is that we actually
don't get enough salt. And I went, wait, what if
that why I'm such a song? Yeah, the right kind
(15:31):
of right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
If you're eating, you know, bags of lazed chips all day,
you're you're getting sodium. You know, processed food does have
a lot of sodium in it, but it's the quality
of sodium. And if it's a mineral profile. And you know, again,
if you're drinking water and you're trying to hydrate really well,
but you're just drinking lots of plain water, you're flushing
(15:55):
a lot of minerals out of your body. And then
the more that you're trying to eat, you know, whole
food diet unless you're salting your food. You know, there's
not a lot of natural salts right in a sweet
potato or stay whatever, so you have to be adding
that to your food. Our body needs sodium for like
sell to sell communication. It's crucial. So making sure that
(16:19):
all those those things in place.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, and did I read on it's Element by the way,
for folks who are listening l m NT drink Element
dot com, I think is their upsite and we are
not sponsors of them.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
They're just phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I think it was on the website or maybe you
told me this that the recommendation from what is it,
the American diet terrast So I don't even know what
they are, but it's too low. I don't know who
does the recommendations, but ye or the CDC. No, that's
a disease.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Disease c eric, FDA, I don't even know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yes, Yeah, it's like super low compared to what we
actually Yeah, have good quality sodium. Yeah, it's crazy. The
things that you've taught me are counter to what mainstream says.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, not everything. It's interesting. Sodium is actually what got
me into this in the first place, all of this
is the beginning of my journey. What tell me, working
like a sixty five plus hour week job, I was
super stressed out. My dad was really in failing health,
and I was getting called to like come and say goodbye.
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He's on his way out, and then I'd rush up
there and make a recovery and so I'd come back.
And it was just a really stressful time in my life.
And you know, I grew up in the era of
Kate Moss being the physical ideal, and you know, I
think women in our society are taught you need to
eat less and be smaller and take up less space
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and what you know, all of that that could probably
be a whole separate cast topic. But so I found
myself in a place where I was restricting, tracking everything
on like a food tracker app right, and how few
calories could I get in? And then it got to
the point where I was trying to eat clean right.
So I was basically at this point vegan living on
(18:18):
spring mix, not faulting anything, probably not drinking anywhere near
enough water, and doing hot yoga every day, so like
sweating no. And I was ill, and I didn't know
what was going on. I was just having these crazy
symptoms where I would start shaking and feeling like I
was going to pass out, like that pre syncope fainting
(18:38):
type feeling. And it would happen at work while I
was working with kids, and it would happen while I
was driving my car between clients, and it was like
the scariest thing, so scary, and it almost felt like
a little bit like a panic attack. And I had
a mother who was diabetic, so I was like, weird,
is my blood sugar off? Is that why I'm shaking?
But it was never blood glue close. And I don't
(18:59):
know how well I knew. This comes back to the
innate and knowing piece. One day, I just grabbed salt
and I poured it in my hand and I ate it,
and I'm my gosh, and I felt wow. And my
body was just like crying out for like basic minerals
and nutrients, like it was causing all kinds of heart
(19:21):
stuff and brain stuff, and I was just nutrient deficient,
and you know, And so I slowly started educating myself
out of that. And it's interesting. I was, you know,
I'd go to the doctors and they'd be like, oh,
your labs are normal, You're fine. And then I found
one doctor who did some extra tests and he diagnosed
(19:41):
me with POTS syndrome, which is postural orthostatic tachycardia. And
the interesting thing is when I hydrate and I eat
a nutrient dense diet and I get enough salt, I'm fine.
I have no symptoms.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Oh, I think whether I have that or not, you know,
it's the state of the body just being so depleted.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
So then, of course, then I started deep diving down
all the different nutritional avenues. Then I went back to
school and here we are. But wow, yeah, salt it
was my thing. I used to get coconut water and
just pour salt in it, shake it up, and drink
it because I was getting calcium and sodium. It was
like my natural electrolyte. But I needed like copious amounts
(20:29):
of salt to get back. And then I slowly started
integrating more animal products back into my diet, and I
think I'm doing pretty great.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah you are. You definitely are well, and
you've helped me. And I don't even know how many
others navigate through this way of being that I think
has really just exploded even the work that I do
mental health stuff, but I'm way more in the spiritual
realm now. Connecting to the other side has really been
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enhanced by and they told me that.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
My guys are like you.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
The work that you're going to be doing requires a
healthy body, a sound body. And yeah, yeah, clear channel.
I wanted to ask you because I personally with the
interview questions that you ask, you know, and you might
have known this already because I've talked about this publicly,
that I struggled with an eating disorder and you were
(21:26):
so sensitive with that, so like I didn't want to
track anything is quite triggering for me. I didn't want
to track how much The only thing I tracked was water,
but everything else, how much food I was eating, anything
that I could not do that. It's still like I
have a visceral reaction right now to tracking shit. It's
awful for me. And you were like, cool, don't do it.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, Actually, something I ask most female clients whether they
even want to do it or not, And like, part
of my assessment is obviously having someone keep a food
journal off for just a couple of days because as
a while information for me and I always say, there's
no judgment for me what you put on there. But
the more information you provide, the more info I'm going
(22:08):
to get about what's actually going on in your body.
So if we can just do it for a couple
of days, that's great. But I do coming from a
history of that myself. I don't like tracking stuff because
I did it for so long and it is it's
a trigger for me to get to, like in my
head about stuff. You know, some people swear by getting
on the scale every morning and weighing themselves to keep
(22:29):
themselves on track. I threw my scale away.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I don't own one.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, I'm not a fan, so you know, but to
each their own, right, But I think you have to
know that stuff again, kind of coming from a disordered
eating past myself, Yeah, I'm sensitive to that with people.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, And I wondered about other things that because you're
a psychologist, right and you are in the mental health arena,
I wonder about many other struggles that people have with
food and relationship with food, and and that I think
is unique to you because you can support people through that.
It's not just the here's here's the food and here
(23:12):
and track it please, It's like all of the things
that surround relationship with food, especially in the America, in America,
in the US.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I mean, think about it. There's so much cultural importance
that I mean, food is a part of what brings
families together, right, Yeah, And at a very basic level
when you boil it down, food is what we and
the one thing we can control that we can sue
ourselves with and nirture ourselves with. And so that can
(23:46):
become disordered in multiple ways, right if there's other emotional
things at the root of that. So I'm also trained.
I haven't taught it in a while, but I offer
an intuitive eating like group program cool, and so we
talk a lot about that, right, Like what are some
of the reasons why maybe we eat? Is it are
(24:06):
we truly hungry? Like getting people again to tune back
into their physical body. Is it actually hunger or is
it an emotional need for something? Are you bored? Are
you looking for you know, companionship? Are you you know,
looking for consistency and things to always be the same
because your life has been unpredictable, like you know, I mean,
(24:27):
there's so many different avenues that it can go. Yeah,
talking about that in a group space where everyone's kind
of there for the same. Yes, even it is really
powerful sometimes I just imagine.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Not alone in that, you know, Yes, and also the
way that you work is it just creates a sense
of truly non judgment and just total safety. It's we're
really really cool.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I bet.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I wonder what you think about indulgence, Like what here's
here's where I'm coming from. My boyfriend likes to say
one of his favorite things to at the end of
the day is just sit in bed with a bowl
of blueberries. Yum. It's not hungry, he just wants to
sit there with a bowl of blueberries. I mean, what
do you think about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, I mean you know, life is also supposed to
be fun. Yeah, and I think that's part of like
he's probably in some way tuning in and listening to
his body and what it needs, right, I mean, if
you want to sit and eat a gallon of ice
cream every night like once in a while, cool, you know.
(25:33):
But I know I'm of the mind that there's no
like food does not have morality. There's no inherent good
or bad in food, but some just are more health
promoting than others. Right, So blueberries are going to be
way more health promoting than ice cream. It doesn't mean
that you can't eat ice cream, you know what I mean,
(25:57):
it's tuning into your body, And like, how do I
feel when I eat ice cream? If I eat it
every night? You know, you might feel like dampened in
some ways. And how's your sleep? Are you able to
get up and do that workout that you wanted to
do the next morning or are you just like exhausted
because you've been up all night with blood sugar spikes
and crushes. You know, like it's also going to cause
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inflammation in your body. Right, Just copious amounts of sugar
and transpats and a host of other things are gonna
leave you feeling achy and fatigued and just not motivated
to do anything right. So the more we can stick
to like those whole foods, that the more vibrant and
clear they're going to be.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, and how you're talking right now makes me think, oh,
it's just information, Like it's just data. Just like when
you asked me to do that food journal. For the
first few days, it was just data. There wasn't like
oh uh oh, she's eating French fries. It was like, okay,
how does even like you pointed out, Hey, Maria, when
(27:01):
you have oatmeal in the morning, those same afternoons you
have fatigue or you get tired, So maybe try eating
X Y Z or whatever. It was just data. It
wasn't even like there's no judgment really really, it's just
useful information. And so right, if you eat a gallon
of ice cream every night, see how you how you feel.
(27:23):
I mean, I doubt that you would feel energized and
like happy, but hey, I mean, I don't know. I
like that approach. It's just so gentle and kind, and
I think that it's also so empowering because you encourage
folks to take a look at your own body. And
we are so disconnected a lot, like you said in
(27:44):
very beginning, right, we're so disconnected from our bodies a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah. So yeah, and there's you know, even things that
we don't see. Right. So, gut health is like my
big thing that I'm super passionate about. There's a recent
now to show that like the gut and the state
of your microbiome is so crucially linked to your skin
and your brain health, and your immune health and your
(28:09):
cardiovascular health, and the list goes on. So you may
not be able to necessarily see. Or you may not
have overt, say, digestive symptoms, but there may be some
other like thing going on. You may suffer from severe
cistic acne and you're like, why is this permonal? What's
going on? A lot of it's driven by the gut
(28:30):
and the state of your gut health and microbiome. So
I really work a lot with people to clean that
all up and get them back on track and able
to order labs too, so I can order the comprehensive
stool analysis to really look is there viruses or pathogens
or parasites and yeast over growth or what's going on,
so we can put people on a supplement protocol that's
really going to help get them back on track and
(28:52):
clear that up right.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And ps, just like the fertility world. Nothing is TMI
for doctor Caroline. It's just yeah, all out there.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I could talk poop all day.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I know, what does your poop look like? It's hilarious,
It's so great, and it really is like, yeah, I
just like the fertility world.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Speaking of fertility, I'm wondering because a lot of folks
that listen to this podcast were, you know, listeners of
my previous podcast The Miracles Happened Fertility podcast. You conceived
a baby and in like the geriatric stupid word age
range so lame, And I wonder about that being a
(29:41):
huge There are other things too, but I wonder about
nutrition and taking care of the body being a huge
factor for folks. Do people go to you for for
fertility stuff?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Ever? Occasionally? Occasionally? I am relatively well versed in that
because of my experience. So yeah, I think how we
initially got connected is that I was going do my
own fertility challenge. I don't call it fertility. I hate
that word very much, but yeah, I had you know,
a part of me doing all this health and nutrition
(30:11):
research was wrapped in with my fertility journey, right, So
it was me like deep diving down avenues to figure
out what was going on because I was experiencing recurrent miscarriage,
so never seemed to have a problem getting pregnant. It
was staying pregnant. So in total, I think I've lost
nine babies, two babies here fir side, who are just
(30:34):
awesome and full of energy and the best thing ever,
and that normal. But they come when they're meant to,
and that for whatever reason, I had to go through
that journey, as crappy as it was, I learned things
in that, but yeah, I learned all kinds of things
about the appropriate kinds of prenatal vitamins that you should
(30:56):
be taking, in the nutrients you should be getting, and
why it's better to get things in the whole form
and from food rather than synthetic you know, powder and things.
Looking at you know, ancestral diets and how they supported
fertility was a big piece of that. So you know,
not just for women as well, Like we know that,
(31:17):
what is it, at least fifty percent of miscarriages due
to male factor fertility. So you know, it was getting
my husband on board with taking certain supplements and vitamins
and cleaning up his diet and all of the things.
Easier said than done, but here we are, we guess. Yeah,
(31:39):
and there's you know a wealth of information out there
in the functional health space on fertility that you can
you know, promote fertility and egg health and sperm health
well into your forties. So so great. It was lest
I had my babies at thirty eight and forty three,
so great, yeah, so great.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Let that be hope for everyone out there there.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, you know, that's definitely something I love to talk about.
And if anyone's interested in working, send them my way
for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yes, you know, I do nourish and flourish psych dot com.
We are going to be talking about all the things,
the ways that people can connect with you too at
the end and it'll all be you know, linked to
the show notes, et cetera. Okay, I have a pretty
important question, okay, and it's a little controversial, okay, vegetarianism
(32:31):
being vegan. I read a book called How Not to
Die Okay, doctor McGregor.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I don't know if you've heard of him, but pretty
and I've heard the title of the book. I don't
know of the author.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Okay, pretty big name in the vegan sort of arena.
And he talks down animal products, not like you need
to get rid of all of them. It's like five
percent is a good number to having your okay diet.
And I'm wondering what you think about that.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
So I will preface that my training is more an
ancestral nutrition and what we know on what the data
shows is that there's really no one culture that's ever
survived without animal products in their diet in some form
or another, and you hear now, right, there's the keto
(33:28):
diet and the carnivore diet and the vegan diet, and ah,
it's just so much information. Again, it comes back to bioindividuality.
What does unique body and makeup and cultural heritage mean
for you? Some people just don't feel as great on
as much animal product as others. Some people are just
(33:50):
allergic or intolerant to certain dairy proteins, for example, as
much of a bummer, like I can't eat eggs, I
will vomit all day I eat eggs, it's a bummer
because they're amazing for you. But although I don't know,
I've done so much work now, who knows I may
be able to eat eggs. I just a little bit
(34:11):
of PTSC. I don't know if I ever want to
try them again.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
But that said, you know, I firmly believe that in
order to thrive, you need protein. Like you know, we
talk about the three core macronutrients. There's carbs, protein, and fat,
and we need protein in order to grow and build
and maintain healthy muscle. Right, and if you want to
age well, you need to be lifting weights and you
(34:38):
need to be eating protein. You know, and the older
you get, the more protein you need. What we know
about protein is that in order for you to get
the most bang for your buck, you need proteins that
have a full essential amino acid profile. So the only
foods that contain full amino acid profile are animal foods.
(34:59):
So you know you're going to be able to go
much further by incorporating those into your diet. And it
took me a long time to kind of reintegrate those.
I had convinced myself, you know, that they were going
to make me sick somehow, or they were dirty in
some way, right, And everybody comes that vegetarian and veganism
for different reasons. Some of it's moral, some of it's
(35:21):
you know, religious. You know, I'm not here to kind
of knock any of that. For me, a big part
of why I didn't want to eat meat was because
of the way that animal products are conventionally farmed here.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, it's just sad.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Great. We do know too that the better quality animal
products that you buy, so the grass fed meats, the
grass fed and grass finish, or the pasture raised poultry
and eggs are going to be way more nutrient dense
than the conventionally farmed counterpart. Right, So if you're going
to have a ribbi for example, animals store their talks
(36:00):
in their fat tissue just like we do. So when
you're eating a conventionally farmed rabbi steak and ingesting some
of that fat, you're taking in everything, the antibiotics, the steroids,
all of the things that they consumed as well, versus
the grass fed grass finished like it actually has a
(36:20):
way more nutrient dense profile. There's more Omega three fatty
acids and grass fed steak than in a regular state,
you know, so you're just getting more of the good stuff.
Same with eggs. If you've ever looked at an organic,
you know, pasture raised egg versus a basic store bot
whatever egg, the yolk is a completely different color. It's
(36:42):
crazy golden versus a pale yellow, right. And butter the
same grass fed butter is going to be that bright
yellow color. So you know that you're getting the nutrient density.
And then also part of that, and coming back to
eating the animal products, is our ancestors ate no to tail, right,
So they ate the skin and they chewed meat off bones,
(37:05):
and they were getting the collagen and you know, the gelatine,
and they boiled the bones down into soup and made broths,
and we should be doing that. They ate the organ meats.
Organ meats like the most nutrient dense food you could
possibly eat, hard to choke down, but we should be
incorporating those definitely into our diets.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I saw something recently about a liver beat smoothie or something,
and I went, what, super Doctor Caroline would be a
rooting at all day long?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, I mean, I will say I can never. I
have a hard time getting liver down, so I take
it in a capsule. You can desiccated in a capsule
and you just pop it down like a vitamin and
it's there. You go. You got your daily dose organ meats.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Okay, what about beets though they just taste like dirt.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Caroline parrot with goat sees a bat thing. Ever, that
was my obsession last pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I will say, you recommended a fermented beat like product.
What's it called it? It's a beat krout beat krout Yeah,
And I was like, okay, I will do it. I
will do it. And it wasn't bad. Beats are still
not my favorite, but it wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
My toddler, I sent her to school with beat kraut
and olives in her lunch, and she she loves, she
loves all the So great.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, that's so great. I mean, right, when you raise
kids eating this way, they they learned that develop a
taste for it. Right, I will say to this point,
we keep talking about this, but individual, like bioindividual, I
definitely am not a big dairy person. I love cheese,
which is so sad, but I have I just don't
(38:53):
feel good when I eat a lot of dairy. So
there's that. But then also, my favorite food on the
entire planet avocados.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Oh my god, they're the best.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yes, but I can't have well, I can, but you did.
You told me about this cool thing tongue testing, and
I and I'd love for you to tell people how
to do this. But I did that and with avocado,
and it was fine. So I put avocado oil on
my morning It's a morning salad. Now really, it's all
(39:27):
rainbow color of veggies and a couple of hard boiled eggs,
and I vomited and I realized it's the oil. Oh
my god, it's the oil that I have a problem with.
So the actual like flesh of the avocado. Obviously there's
a lot of oil in it, but I can My
body's okay with that. But to have yeah, yeah, So
(39:49):
it's so fascinating, right you think, oh, this is super healthy,
but my body is like NAT's nat Nope, I don't
like this. So can you tell people though?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
So it's called cocaus pulse testing, and it's a way
for you to just kind of get a read for
how your body reacts to certain things. So what you
want to do is kind of sit down, feet flat
on the floor, kind of just take a couple of
deep breaths, and then you want to take your pulse
for a full minute and kind of get your baseline pulse.
(40:23):
And then what you want to do is if you
want to test a food to see if you're intolerant
to it, you can just take a bite of something,
hold it in your mouth, and there's all kinds of
nerve endings in your mouth that go straight through your
central nervous system. So if you want to say, am
I allergic to bananas? You can take a bite of banana,
hold in your mouth. You need to chew, don't need
(40:43):
to swallow nothing, Hold it there for about thirty seconds
and then you want to sit and take your pulse
again for another full minute, and if your pulse goes
up by six or more beats per minute, it's a
sign that it's a stress a little bit to your system.
So there's that.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
So maybe you don't consume that.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I don't know, but that the idea being you want
to test the food as close to its natural whole
state as you can, right, So if you want to
tell sana, do banana not banana bread because you don't
know if it's the wheat flour or the egg or
the butter or whatever else, maybe it's in there, right,
so as close to its natural whole state as possible.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, it's magic, not really, but it seems like magic.
It's so cool to know.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
And then, you know, I remember being in class when
we were learning that, and I was like, you know,
the PhD doctoral student who'd done like research science and
I was like, raise my hand. I'm like, how the
data and the science behind this And it's still kind
of unclear to me, but it works, it does, and
that's the point.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, yeah, and that's totally the point. I love it.
I love it. It's such a useful tool. Well, that
and many more things you can learn from doctor Caroline
Juarte on Nurish from flourish psych dot com. Is that
the right website?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yes it is, yes.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Second, yes, yeah. Is that the best place folks can
find you or are there other places? Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:15):
They can always submit a request for a discovery call
through my website. Or I met doctor Warte at nurshenfloor
psych dot com. That's my email. I'm on Instagram at
nursh and floors Psych, and I believe these foocus the same.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, I haven't been on social media much. I'm like, yep,
it's a lot, but.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
You and me both and me both yes, yes, Well,
if folks do travel to your social media sites, get
ready to see a ton of beautiful food. I mean
just beautiful food. Yum yum, yum awesome. Will I actually
get excited now looking at pretty food? Like I'll get
on Pinterest and I'll be like, oh my, it's so
(42:58):
pretty to look at all those colors. All right, anything
new that you're working on? Will you do that group again?
Speaker 1 (43:02):
You think or I would love to. Yeah, it's a
matter of having enough people interested at once, so so
cool interested to definitely reach out.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Oh my gosh, if you are interested.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Play health online so you can be anywhere.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Anywhere in the world. Yeah, so great, I love it.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah. So I offer that intuitive eating classes, a seven
week class called Finally Free. And then I also offer
a five week like basic health Reset, like go week
over the basics of digestion and blood sugar and all
of that stuff, and that's called Restart. And I do
individual coaching. I offer psychotherapy.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, and she'll wash your windows. No, I'm just kidding.
You do everything. Oh my god. All right, Caroline, thank
you so much for being here.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
I appreciate your wisdom.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Thank you for joining the Reluctant Medium podcast today. I
hope that this episode has brought you beautiful high vibration
and that it continues emanating from your heart space for
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next time, my friend, may you be well.
We live in an age where we are bombarded with
social media and mass marketing and pharmaceutical industries that are
backing nutritional science research projects, and you know, everyone's in
each other's pockets, and the information out there is so
clouded no one really knows what to believe anymore of it.
(00:22):
Because of all that, we have gotten completely disconnected from
that innate knowing.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Welcome to the Reluctant Medium, where we cover the gamut
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(01:22):
Medium podcast. Today's guest. It's no understatement to say this
person changed my life. And you would think, okay, it's
something mental health related or spiritual related.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And it is.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It comes around to that. But I have to tell
you kind of embarrassingly for the first time publicly, it
was like three years before I finally listened to my
guides who told me I really had to pay attention
to what I was putting in my body. And it
took me getting deathly ill. Not literally, I was very ill,
(01:56):
but it was like a month of illness before I
reached out to now my beloved friend, doctor Caroline Horite
and said, I freaking need help, and she was like,
I got you back. Welcome doctor Caroline.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So good to be here, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So stoked to have you. Oh my goodness. I don't
even know where to start, but I'm just going to
dive in because really, you I still do. It's been
a couple of years now and I still do the
things that doctor Caroline prescribed, and it's just my life
is just so much more vivid and just lovely, just lovely.
(02:39):
I feel more myself than ever. And yeah, so I
just want to start with who are you? And what
do you do? And why do you do what you do?
How'd you come and do it?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, it's a long story ish, but I'll try to
wrap it up sweet. So my name is doctor Caroline Harte,
and I am a licensed clinical psychologist and I'm board
certified behavior and and I worked for miny many years
in the autism and behavioral health space. In my last
you know, big corporate type position, I was running and
(03:10):
applied behavior analysis therapy company, overseeing lots of staff training,
working with kids and families, and that was my passion.
But I think secondarily to that, I always have had
a passion for holistic health. And you know, after dealing
with some of my own health challenges, sort of went
down a rabbit hole of studying health and nutrition. And
(03:31):
I think first it started as excuse me listening to
podcasts and reading books, and then I thought, I need
to go to school for this. So a number of
years ago I went back to school after getting a
PhD and doing all those things, and got my Functional
and Nutritional Therapy Practitioner certification. Initially, I think just for
my own knowledge. I wanted more information to help myself
(03:53):
and my future family someday. And then I realized, oh
my god, this is like mind blowing and from and
everybody needs to know this. And like how like already
having the mental health background and the behavior change background,
like what a beautiful pairing to bring in that holistic
nutrition piece to heal welly can't use the word heal,
(04:17):
but to help people on their health journey step a
lame mind, body, spirit, you know, because as you've spoken
about many times on your show, that's that's who we are.
We're not just the mind or the body or the
spirit where everything rolled into one. So so yeah, I'm
a functional nutritional therapy practitioner and I when people tell me,
(04:41):
you know, ask me in an elevator, what do you do?
I tell people I'm a nutritional psychologist because that sort
of I feel like, wraps everything up into one sweet
description that I can explain from there what that is.
And then I'm also a certified integrative mental health practitioner.
I have that certification as well. And so you know,
I was laid off from that last job that I
(05:03):
was explaining about and took that as a sign from
the universe to follow my intuition and go do this
nutrition training program that I had been wanting to do
for years, and it was the best thing I've ever done.
And I now have my own business, Nourish and Flourcialistic Psychology,
where I do some psychotherapy, I do some nutritional therapy,
(05:23):
some behavior coaching stuff and I roll that all into one.
And I don't have a specific clientele necessarily that I
work with. You know, I know in the business marketing
space we have to niche down, but I have this
passion for what I do and I just want to
help anyone and everyone. So if you have a health
(05:45):
issue or a mental health issue, like, come on, we
can work on any and all of it.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, do you want to live a good life, Go
see doctor Carolina.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I love that. I'm going to get shirt made.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Get a shirt made. Hey, you want to live a
good life, here you go. I can attest to that.
I'm telling you I've talked about you on my podcast
because I can't say enough phenomenal things about not just
like working with you. Obviously that's beautiful and wonderful. You're
a lovely human, but the freaking results are just astounding.
(06:21):
It's hard to believe that this simple and Okay, so
I know you can't call it healing, but I'm going
to say I felt healed after working with you. And
it was only freaking ninety days, Caroline. It is like
three months of concerted effort. I'm like, you tell me
what to do, I'm doing it. I did it except
(06:42):
for one thing which I want to talk about, which
is so cool working with you, and it was, Yeah,
it's just a crazy change in my life.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So well, so when clients come to me, it's one
of the main things that I tell them because I
was off there that I discovered call up front, you know,
is partly that's to gather some information, make sure we're
a good fit for working with one another. But the
body has an innate knowing of what it needs. But
we live in an age where we are bombarded with
(07:16):
social media and mass marketing and you know, pharmaceutical industries
that are backing nutritional science research projects, and you know,
everyone's in each other's pockets, and the information out there
is so clouded, right, no one really knows what to
believe anymore of it. Because of all that we have,
we have gotten just completely disconnected from that innate knowing,
(07:40):
and so what I really work with with many clients
is to tap back into that you know, and there
are some you know things that science has shown us
that these things are more health promoting than others, right,
But it's we're all different. It's the foundation of what
we do in nutritional therapy is that everything's bio individual.
So what works for you is very different than what
make work for me, because we all come at things
(08:02):
with a different age and you know, sex and activity
level and phase of life that we're in that dictates
nutritionally what we need to put into our systems. So
also cultural heritage and all those kinds of things play
into that. So it's it's really very custom tailored to
(08:24):
the individual. But really helping people tap back into that
knowing of what their body needs is a big thing.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yes, well that's true, right on exactly what I was
going to say, Except the one thing that's the one
thing that I rejected was one of the it was
like a sugar challenge or something no sugar challenge, and
I was like, this doesn't feel right to me, and
You're like, then don't do it. And it was like, wait,
what you're like the pro and you're saying, then don't
(08:54):
do it because of that message you know you have,
your body knows you have an innate knowing you how
you need to trust that. Yes, I am. I have
one hundred letters after my name, and I think you
literally do have a hundred letters.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I don't know. I've never added them up.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But there's a lot. There's so many. This woman knows
a lot, you guys, he knows a lot. But you
still defer to the person and who they are and
what they are tapping into in their own body, their
own bodies wisdom. That's what I wanted to highlight about that.
It is so great working with you because of that.
(09:30):
I will say, though, this isn't just like you know
people say the woo. It isn't like, oh, we're just
gonna tap into divine light and see. No, you're like, Okay,
here's an inventory that I want you to take. I
want to talk about all your symptoms, all of you know,
how you're pooping, how you're peeing, how what your activity
level is like, what you know. I want you to
(09:50):
do this diary of like food that you know, for
I remember what it was a week or three days
or something. I don't remember that, but yeah, And it's
like sound, scientific, evidence based data gathering gathering, and then
you show, look, here's where you are. There's a graph
that you can see where your symptoms are, and then
(10:12):
you test again at the end of it and show
where the graph has moved, hopefully for the better, and
what still can be worked on or whatever. It's not
just it's like everything. It's mind, body spirit. I think
I felt brighter, happier, more thrivy, more flourishy.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, I mean I think that's what we're just sort
of again clouded by like what we consider to be
the standard American diet, right, or the sad diet all it. Oh,
it's pretty heavily processed, right, full of refined sugar, unhealthy
seed oils. But it's just what's convenient. What's in the
(10:55):
brightly colored package that's marketed really beautifully to us, that
says healthy and all natural on the front, And so
we just consume that and go on with their day
and don't really think about it, and then we wonder
away we have chronic pain and fatigue and you know,
brain fog and irritability and mood disorders and all kinds
of things you know, but it all comes back to
(11:17):
the foundations. So this, you know, the assessment that you're
talking about that I do with all of my clients.
It's called the Nutritional Assessment Questionnaire, and it asks like,
I think, guess at three hundred and fifty questions or something,
And it's somewhat subjective based on the individual clients report, right,
because they're just rating on a scale of how frequently
(11:37):
that symptom or you know, item is in their life.
But it gives me this beautiful graph of what I
consider the foundations of health. So those main things are
nutrient or excuse me, or digestion. So how optimal your
digestive system is working north to south? So are you
producing enough stomach acid and enzymes and bile, And how's
(11:58):
your small intestine and large intest and funk, what's the
state of your microbiome. It looks at blood sugar regulation,
so those are like the two big keys, digestion and
blood sugar. It looks at stress, sleep, how much you're
moving your overall nutrient density of your diet. Are you
getting enough vitamins, minerals, fatty acids? Are you hydrating? Most
of this nation is so severely dehydrated. That is like
(12:20):
at the root of a lot of problems. So while
we have you know, reportable symptoms like exima or brain
fog or depression or autoimmune disease or whatever it may be,
those are the consequential or secondary things to those foundations
being out of balance. So regardless of what someone comes
(12:42):
to me for, you know, if they want to just
come to a nutritionis for weight loss, right, I always say,
like that's a positive side effect usually of working on
the foundations that once you've got the body back into homeostasis,
things will find their natural rhythm. Yes, working with people
to just clean up that standard American diet to real
(13:03):
whole foods and properly preparing foods and pairing foods with
each other. Well, yes, for energy and mood are stable
and you're getting all the key nutrients that you need. Yeah,
it's really cool.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yes, the gut health. Yeah, that's what you diagnosed me
with leaky got and that was just like a game
changer for me. Like what so all the things that
I've been trying to do are just going bye bye,
like they're not being absorbed or taking like used properly.
What I was going to say too for the listener
slash YouTube watcher that some of the recommendations, well, I'll
(13:43):
say I'll speak for my personal experience, were like counter
to what I would have thought. For example, because you
talk about not just food, you talk about movement and
meditation and these kinds of things. Right mind, body soul,
I was needing to I really knew that I was.
My body was so unhealthy. I had been pecking on
(14:05):
the pounds and don't understand why. I thought that I
had to be like running five miles a day or something,
and your recommendation was actually to be more gentle with
my body because I was an adrenal fatigue And I went, oh,
I'm what like you need to be? Yeah, you need
(14:26):
to be like kind to your to yourself right now.
It's temporary and you can start And I did start
running again, by the way, but I had to heal first. Again,
you didn't call it healing. I call it healing. I
had to take care of this first. I had to
take care of my body first and get out of
adrenal fatigue. And it was counter to what I thought.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So, like we are told, oh, you want to lose
belly fat, do do, why do z? And what you
suggested was not that it was very different and water
was a massive just gonna say water, water, water, water
with element with electrolytes.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, that was another thing answered find them. But
I tell everybody on the planet to drink their product.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It's amazing you do. It's so good. It's been I
don't know, almost two years now, has it been two years? No,
I don't even know how long year and a half
and I still I'm still, you know, doing a lot.
Because that's another thing you said, is that we actually
don't get enough salt. And I went, wait, what if
that why I'm such a song? Yeah, the right kind
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of right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
If you're eating, you know, bags of lazed chips all day,
you're you're getting sodium. You know, processed food does have
a lot of sodium in it, but it's the quality
of sodium. And if it's a mineral profile. And you know, again,
if you're drinking water and you're trying to hydrate really well,
but you're just drinking lots of plain water, you're flushing
(15:55):
a lot of minerals out of your body. And then
the more that you're trying to eat, you know, whole
food diet unless you're salting your food. You know, there's
not a lot of natural salts right in a sweet
potato or stay whatever, so you have to be adding
that to your food. Our body needs sodium for like
sell to sell communication. It's crucial. So making sure that
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all those those things in place.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, and did I read on it's Element by the way,
for folks who are listening l m NT drink Element
dot com, I think is their upsite and we are
not sponsors of them.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
They're just phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I think it was on the website or maybe you
told me this that the recommendation from what is it,
the American diet terrast So I don't even know what
they are, but it's too low. I don't know who
does the recommendations, but ye or the CDC. No, that's
a disease.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Disease c eric, FDA, I don't even know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yes, Yeah, it's like super low compared to what we
actually Yeah, have good quality sodium. Yeah, it's crazy. The
things that you've taught me are counter to what mainstream says.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, not everything. It's interesting. Sodium is actually what got
me into this in the first place, all of this
is the beginning of my journey. What tell me, working
like a sixty five plus hour week job, I was
super stressed out. My dad was really in failing health,
and I was getting called to like come and say goodbye.
(17:33):
He's on his way out, and then I'd rush up
there and make a recovery and so I'd come back.
And it was just a really stressful time in my life.
And you know, I grew up in the era of
Kate Moss being the physical ideal, and you know, I
think women in our society are taught you need to
eat less and be smaller and take up less space
(17:55):
and what you know, all of that that could probably
be a whole separate cast topic. But so I found
myself in a place where I was restricting, tracking everything
on like a food tracker app right, and how few
calories could I get in? And then it got to
the point where I was trying to eat clean right.
So I was basically at this point vegan living on
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spring mix, not faulting anything, probably not drinking anywhere near
enough water, and doing hot yoga every day, so like
sweating no. And I was ill, and I didn't know
what was going on. I was just having these crazy
symptoms where I would start shaking and feeling like I
was going to pass out, like that pre syncope fainting
(18:38):
type feeling. And it would happen at work while I
was working with kids, and it would happen while I
was driving my car between clients, and it was like
the scariest thing, so scary, and it almost felt like
a little bit like a panic attack. And I had
a mother who was diabetic, so I was like, weird,
is my blood sugar off? Is that why I'm shaking?
But it was never blood glue close. And I don't
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know how well I knew. This comes back to the
innate and knowing piece. One day, I just grabbed salt
and I poured it in my hand and I ate it,
and I'm my gosh, and I felt wow. And my
body was just like crying out for like basic minerals
and nutrients, like it was causing all kinds of heart
(19:21):
stuff and brain stuff, and I was just nutrient deficient,
and you know, And so I slowly started educating myself
out of that. And it's interesting. I was, you know,
I'd go to the doctors and they'd be like, oh,
your labs are normal, You're fine. And then I found
one doctor who did some extra tests and he diagnosed
(19:41):
me with POTS syndrome, which is postural orthostatic tachycardia. And
the interesting thing is when I hydrate and I eat
a nutrient dense diet and I get enough salt, I'm fine.
I have no symptoms.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Oh, I think whether I have that or not, you know,
it's the state of the body just being so depleted.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
So then, of course, then I started deep diving down
all the different nutritional avenues. Then I went back to
school and here we are. But wow, yeah, salt it
was my thing. I used to get coconut water and
just pour salt in it, shake it up, and drink
it because I was getting calcium and sodium. It was
like my natural electrolyte. But I needed like copious amounts
(20:29):
of salt to get back. And then I slowly started
integrating more animal products back into my diet, and I
think I'm doing pretty great.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah you are. You definitely are well, and
you've helped me. And I don't even know how many
others navigate through this way of being that I think
has really just exploded even the work that I do
mental health stuff, but I'm way more in the spiritual
realm now. Connecting to the other side has really been
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enhanced by and they told me that.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
My guys are like you.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
The work that you're going to be doing requires a
healthy body, a sound body. And yeah, yeah, clear channel.
I wanted to ask you because I personally with the
interview questions that you ask, you know, and you might
have known this already because I've talked about this publicly,
that I struggled with an eating disorder and you were
(21:26):
so sensitive with that, so like I didn't want to
track anything is quite triggering for me. I didn't want
to track how much The only thing I tracked was water,
but everything else, how much food I was eating, anything
that I could not do that. It's still like I
have a visceral reaction right now to tracking shit. It's
awful for me. And you were like, cool, don't do it.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, Actually, something I ask most female clients whether they
even want to do it or not, And like, part
of my assessment is obviously having someone keep a food
journal off for just a couple of days because as
a while information for me and I always say, there's
no judgment for me what you put on there. But
the more information you provide, the more info I'm going
(22:08):
to get about what's actually going on in your body.
So if we can just do it for a couple
of days, that's great. But I do coming from a
history of that myself. I don't like tracking stuff because
I did it for so long and it is it's
a trigger for me to get to, like in my
head about stuff. You know, some people swear by getting
on the scale every morning and weighing themselves to keep
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themselves on track. I threw my scale away.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I don't own one.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, I'm not a fan, so you know, but to
each their own, right, But I think you have to
know that stuff again, kind of coming from a disordered
eating past myself, Yeah, I'm sensitive to that with people.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, And I wondered about other things that because you're
a psychologist, right and you are in the mental health arena,
I wonder about many other struggles that people have with
food and relationship with food, and and that I think
is unique to you because you can support people through that.
It's not just the here's here's the food and here
(23:12):
and track it please, It's like all of the things
that surround relationship with food, especially in the America, in America,
in the US.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I mean, think about it. There's so much cultural importance
that I mean, food is a part of what brings
families together, right, Yeah, And at a very basic level
when you boil it down, food is what we and
the one thing we can control that we can sue
ourselves with and nirture ourselves with. And so that can
(23:46):
become disordered in multiple ways, right if there's other emotional
things at the root of that. So I'm also trained.
I haven't taught it in a while, but I offer
an intuitive eating like group program cool, and so we
talk a lot about that, right, Like what are some
of the reasons why maybe we eat? Is it are
(24:06):
we truly hungry? Like getting people again to tune back
into their physical body. Is it actually hunger or is
it an emotional need for something? Are you bored? Are
you looking for you know, companionship? Are you you know,
looking for consistency and things to always be the same
because your life has been unpredictable, like you know, I mean,
(24:27):
there's so many different avenues that it can go. Yeah,
talking about that in a group space where everyone's kind
of there for the same. Yes, even it is really
powerful sometimes I just imagine.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Not alone in that, you know, Yes, and also the
way that you work is it just creates a sense
of truly non judgment and just total safety. It's we're
really really cool.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I bet.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I wonder what you think about indulgence, Like what here's
here's where I'm coming from. My boyfriend likes to say
one of his favorite things to at the end of
the day is just sit in bed with a bowl
of blueberries. Yum. It's not hungry, he just wants to
sit there with a bowl of blueberries. I mean, what
do you think about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, I mean you know, life is also supposed to
be fun. Yeah, and I think that's part of like
he's probably in some way tuning in and listening to
his body and what it needs, right, I mean, if
you want to sit and eat a gallon of ice
cream every night like once in a while, cool, you know.
(25:33):
But I know I'm of the mind that there's no
like food does not have morality. There's no inherent good
or bad in food, but some just are more health
promoting than others. Right, So blueberries are going to be
way more health promoting than ice cream. It doesn't mean
that you can't eat ice cream, you know what I mean,
(25:57):
it's tuning into your body, And like, how do I
feel when I eat ice cream? If I eat it
every night? You know, you might feel like dampened in
some ways. And how's your sleep? Are you able to
get up and do that workout that you wanted to
do the next morning or are you just like exhausted
because you've been up all night with blood sugar spikes
and crushes. You know, like it's also going to cause
(26:21):
inflammation in your body. Right, Just copious amounts of sugar
and transpats and a host of other things are gonna
leave you feeling achy and fatigued and just not motivated
to do anything right. So the more we can stick
to like those whole foods, that the more vibrant and
clear they're going to be.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, and how you're talking right now makes me think, oh,
it's just information, Like it's just data. Just like when
you asked me to do that food journal. For the
first few days, it was just data. There wasn't like
oh uh oh, she's eating French fries. It was like, okay,
how does even like you pointed out, Hey, Maria, when
(27:01):
you have oatmeal in the morning, those same afternoons you
have fatigue or you get tired, So maybe try eating
X Y Z or whatever. It was just data. It
wasn't even like there's no judgment really really, it's just
useful information. And so right, if you eat a gallon
of ice cream every night, see how you how you feel.
(27:23):
I mean, I doubt that you would feel energized and
like happy, but hey, I mean, I don't know. I
like that approach. It's just so gentle and kind, and
I think that it's also so empowering because you encourage
folks to take a look at your own body. And
we are so disconnected a lot, like you said in
(27:44):
very beginning, right, we're so disconnected from our bodies a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah. So yeah, and there's you know, even things that
we don't see. Right. So, gut health is like my
big thing that I'm super passionate about. There's a recent
now to show that like the gut and the state
of your microbiome is so crucially linked to your skin
and your brain health, and your immune health and your
(28:09):
cardiovascular health, and the list goes on. So you may
not be able to necessarily see. Or you may not
have overt, say, digestive symptoms, but there may be some
other like thing going on. You may suffer from severe
cistic acne and you're like, why is this permonal? What's
going on? A lot of it's driven by the gut
(28:30):
and the state of your gut health and microbiome. So
I really work a lot with people to clean that
all up and get them back on track and able
to order labs too, so I can order the comprehensive
stool analysis to really look is there viruses or pathogens
or parasites and yeast over growth or what's going on,
so we can put people on a supplement protocol that's
really going to help get them back on track and
(28:52):
clear that up right.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And ps, just like the fertility world. Nothing is TMI
for doctor Caroline. It's just yeah, all out there.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I could talk poop all day.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I know, what does your poop look like? It's hilarious,
It's so great, and it really is like, yeah, I
just like the fertility world.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Speaking of fertility, I'm wondering because a lot of folks
that listen to this podcast were, you know, listeners of
my previous podcast The Miracles Happened Fertility podcast. You conceived
a baby and in like the geriatric stupid word age
range so lame, And I wonder about that being a
(29:41):
huge There are other things too, but I wonder about
nutrition and taking care of the body being a huge
factor for folks. Do people go to you for for
fertility stuff?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Ever? Occasionally? Occasionally? I am relatively well versed in that
because of my experience. So yeah, I think how we
initially got connected is that I was going do my
own fertility challenge. I don't call it fertility. I hate
that word very much, but yeah, I had you know,
a part of me doing all this health and nutrition
(30:11):
research was wrapped in with my fertility journey, right, So
it was me like deep diving down avenues to figure
out what was going on because I was experiencing recurrent miscarriage,
so never seemed to have a problem getting pregnant. It
was staying pregnant. So in total, I think I've lost
nine babies, two babies here fir side, who are just
(30:34):
awesome and full of energy and the best thing ever,
and that normal. But they come when they're meant to,
and that for whatever reason, I had to go through
that journey, as crappy as it was, I learned things
in that, but yeah, I learned all kinds of things
about the appropriate kinds of prenatal vitamins that you should
(30:56):
be taking, in the nutrients you should be getting, and
why it's better to get things in the whole form
and from food rather than synthetic you know, powder and things.
Looking at you know, ancestral diets and how they supported
fertility was a big piece of that. So you know,
not just for women as well, Like we know that,
(31:17):
what is it, at least fifty percent of miscarriages due
to male factor fertility. So you know, it was getting
my husband on board with taking certain supplements and vitamins
and cleaning up his diet and all of the things.
Easier said than done, but here we are, we guess. Yeah,
(31:39):
and there's you know a wealth of information out there
in the functional health space on fertility that you can
you know, promote fertility and egg health and sperm health
well into your forties. So so great. It was lest
I had my babies at thirty eight and forty three,
so great, yeah, so great.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Let that be hope for everyone out there there.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, you know, that's definitely something I love to talk about.
And if anyone's interested in working, send them my way
for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yes, you know, I do nourish and flourish psych dot com.
We are going to be talking about all the things,
the ways that people can connect with you too at
the end and it'll all be you know, linked to
the show notes, et cetera. Okay, I have a pretty
important question, okay, and it's a little controversial, okay, vegetarianism
(32:31):
being vegan. I read a book called How Not to
Die Okay, doctor McGregor.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I don't know if you've heard of him, but pretty
and I've heard the title of the book. I don't
know of the author.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Okay, pretty big name in the vegan sort of arena.
And he talks down animal products, not like you need
to get rid of all of them. It's like five
percent is a good number to having your okay diet.
And I'm wondering what you think about that.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
So I will preface that my training is more an
ancestral nutrition and what we know on what the data
shows is that there's really no one culture that's ever
survived without animal products in their diet in some form
or another, and you hear now, right, there's the keto
(33:28):
diet and the carnivore diet and the vegan diet, and ah,
it's just so much information. Again, it comes back to bioindividuality.
What does unique body and makeup and cultural heritage mean
for you? Some people just don't feel as great on
as much animal product as others. Some people are just
(33:50):
allergic or intolerant to certain dairy proteins, for example, as
much of a bummer, like I can't eat eggs, I
will vomit all day I eat eggs, it's a bummer
because they're amazing for you. But although I don't know,
I've done so much work now, who knows I may
be able to eat eggs. I just a little bit
(34:11):
of PTSC. I don't know if I ever want to
try them again.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
But that said, you know, I firmly believe that in
order to thrive, you need protein. Like you know, we
talk about the three core macronutrients. There's carbs, protein, and fat,
and we need protein in order to grow and build
and maintain healthy muscle. Right, and if you want to
age well, you need to be lifting weights and you
(34:38):
need to be eating protein. You know, and the older
you get, the more protein you need. What we know
about protein is that in order for you to get
the most bang for your buck, you need proteins that
have a full essential amino acid profile. So the only
foods that contain full amino acid profile are animal foods.
(34:59):
So you know you're going to be able to go
much further by incorporating those into your diet. And it
took me a long time to kind of reintegrate those.
I had convinced myself, you know, that they were going
to make me sick somehow, or they were dirty in
some way, right, And everybody comes that vegetarian and veganism
for different reasons. Some of it's moral, some of it's
(35:21):
you know, religious. You know, I'm not here to kind
of knock any of that. For me, a big part
of why I didn't want to eat meat was because
of the way that animal products are conventionally farmed here.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, it's just sad.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Great. We do know too that the better quality animal
products that you buy, so the grass fed meats, the
grass fed and grass finish, or the pasture raised poultry
and eggs are going to be way more nutrient dense
than the conventionally farmed counterpart. Right, So if you're going
to have a ribbi for example, animals store their talks
(36:00):
in their fat tissue just like we do. So when
you're eating a conventionally farmed rabbi steak and ingesting some
of that fat, you're taking in everything, the antibiotics, the steroids,
all of the things that they consumed as well, versus
the grass fed grass finished like it actually has a
(36:20):
way more nutrient dense profile. There's more Omega three fatty
acids and grass fed steak than in a regular state,
you know, so you're just getting more of the good stuff.
Same with eggs. If you've ever looked at an organic,
you know, pasture raised egg versus a basic store bot
whatever egg, the yolk is a completely different color. It's
(36:42):
crazy golden versus a pale yellow, right. And butter the
same grass fed butter is going to be that bright
yellow color. So you know that you're getting the nutrient density.
And then also part of that, and coming back to
eating the animal products, is our ancestors ate no to tail, right,
So they ate the skin and they chewed meat off bones,
(37:05):
and they were getting the collagen and you know, the gelatine,
and they boiled the bones down into soup and made broths,
and we should be doing that. They ate the organ meats.
Organ meats like the most nutrient dense food you could
possibly eat, hard to choke down, but we should be
incorporating those definitely into our diets.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I saw something recently about a liver beat smoothie or something,
and I went, what, super Doctor Caroline would be a
rooting at all day long?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, I mean, I will say I can never. I
have a hard time getting liver down, so I take
it in a capsule. You can desiccated in a capsule
and you just pop it down like a vitamin and
it's there. You go. You got your daily dose organ meats.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Okay, what about beets though they just taste like dirt.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Caroline parrot with goat sees a bat thing. Ever, that
was my obsession last pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I will say, you recommended a fermented beat like product.
What's it called it? It's a beat krout beat krout Yeah,
And I was like, okay, I will do it. I
will do it. And it wasn't bad. Beats are still
not my favorite, but it wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
My toddler, I sent her to school with beat kraut
and olives in her lunch, and she she loves, she
loves all the So great.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, that's so great. I mean, right, when you raise
kids eating this way, they they learned that develop a
taste for it. Right, I will say to this point,
we keep talking about this, but individual, like bioindividual, I
definitely am not a big dairy person. I love cheese,
which is so sad, but I have I just don't
(38:53):
feel good when I eat a lot of dairy. So
there's that. But then also, my favorite food on the
entire planet avocados.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Oh my god, they're the best.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yes, but I can't have well, I can, but you did.
You told me about this cool thing tongue testing, and
I and I'd love for you to tell people how
to do this. But I did that and with avocado,
and it was fine. So I put avocado oil on
my morning It's a morning salad. Now really, it's all
(39:27):
rainbow color of veggies and a couple of hard boiled eggs,
and I vomited and I realized it's the oil. Oh
my god, it's the oil that I have a problem with.
So the actual like flesh of the avocado. Obviously there's
a lot of oil in it, but I can My
body's okay with that. But to have yeah, yeah, So
(39:49):
it's so fascinating, right you think, oh, this is super healthy,
but my body is like NAT's nat Nope, I don't
like this. So can you tell people though?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
So it's called cocaus pulse testing, and it's a way
for you to just kind of get a read for
how your body reacts to certain things. So what you
want to do is kind of sit down, feet flat
on the floor, kind of just take a couple of
deep breaths, and then you want to take your pulse
for a full minute and kind of get your baseline pulse.
(40:23):
And then what you want to do is if you
want to test a food to see if you're intolerant
to it, you can just take a bite of something,
hold it in your mouth, and there's all kinds of
nerve endings in your mouth that go straight through your
central nervous system. So if you want to say, am
I allergic to bananas? You can take a bite of banana,
hold in your mouth. You need to chew, don't need
(40:43):
to swallow nothing, Hold it there for about thirty seconds
and then you want to sit and take your pulse
again for another full minute, and if your pulse goes
up by six or more beats per minute, it's a
sign that it's a stress a little bit to your system.
So there's that.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
So maybe you don't consume that.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I don't know, but that the idea being you want
to test the food as close to its natural whole
state as you can, right, So if you want to
tell sana, do banana not banana bread because you don't
know if it's the wheat flour or the egg or
the butter or whatever else, maybe it's in there, right,
so as close to its natural whole state as possible.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, it's magic, not really, but it seems like magic.
It's so cool to know.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
And then, you know, I remember being in class when
we were learning that, and I was like, you know,
the PhD doctoral student who'd done like research science and
I was like, raise my hand. I'm like, how the
data and the science behind this And it's still kind
of unclear to me, but it works, it does, and
that's the point.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, yeah, and that's totally the point. I love it.
I love it. It's such a useful tool. Well, that
and many more things you can learn from doctor Caroline
Juarte on Nurish from flourish psych dot com. Is that
the right website?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yes it is, yes.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Second, yes, yeah. Is that the best place folks can
find you or are there other places? Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:15):
They can always submit a request for a discovery call
through my website. Or I met doctor Warte at nurshenfloor
psych dot com. That's my email. I'm on Instagram at
nursh and floors Psych, and I believe these foocus the same.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, I haven't been on social media much. I'm like, yep,
it's a lot, but.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
You and me both and me both yes, yes, Well,
if folks do travel to your social media sites, get
ready to see a ton of beautiful food. I mean
just beautiful food. Yum yum, yum awesome. Will I actually
get excited now looking at pretty food? Like I'll get
on Pinterest and I'll be like, oh my, it's so
(42:58):
pretty to look at all those colors. All right, anything
new that you're working on? Will you do that group again?
Speaker 1 (43:02):
You think or I would love to. Yeah, it's a
matter of having enough people interested at once, so so
cool interested to definitely reach out.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Oh my gosh, if you are interested.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Play health online so you can be anywhere.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Anywhere in the world. Yeah, so great, I love it.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah. So I offer that intuitive eating classes, a seven
week class called Finally Free. And then I also offer
a five week like basic health Reset, like go week
over the basics of digestion and blood sugar and all
of that stuff, and that's called Restart. And I do
individual coaching. I offer psychotherapy.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, and she'll wash your windows. No, I'm just kidding.
You do everything. Oh my god. All right, Caroline, thank
you so much for being here.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
I appreciate your wisdom.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Thank you for joining the Reluctant Medium podcast today. I
hope that this episode has brought you beautiful high vibration
and that it continues emanating from your heart space for
the rest of the day and beyond. Don't forget to
join the Reluctant Medium on Patreon dot com, and you
can also visit the Reluctantmedium dot us and the Reluctant
(44:15):
Medium TV show on New Reality tv dot com. Until
next time, my friend, may you be well.
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