July 10, 2025 • 27 mins
Welcome! This episode is part of a Summer 2025 series of the most popular episodes from both the Miracles Happen Fertility Podcast and The Reluctant Medium.
In this episode, Dr. Maria Rothenburger, a fertility therapist, coach, bestselling author, and spirit baby intuitive, explores the topics of miscarriage and loss within the context of Spirit Baby realm. Dr. Maria shares her own experiences and insights, as well as references from Walter McKitchen's book, 'Spirit Babies.' This episode covers common feelings of self-blame among parents experiencing miscarriage, explaining that it's often not their fault from the Spirit Baby perspective. Additionally, the episode discusses reasons why spirit babies might choose not to come through, and offers exercises for healing and self-forgiveness to help parents move forward. Lastly, topics of abortion and the emotional aftermath are addressed, emphasizing understanding and non-judgment from the spirit baby realm.
In this episode, Dr. Maria Rothenburger, a fertility therapist, coach, bestselling author, and spirit baby intuitive, explores the topics of miscarriage and loss within the context of Spirit Baby realm. Dr. Maria shares her own experiences and insights, as well as references from Walter McKitchen's book, 'Spirit Babies.' This episode covers common feelings of self-blame among parents experiencing miscarriage, explaining that it's often not their fault from the Spirit Baby perspective. Additionally, the episode discusses reasons why spirit babies might choose not to come through, and offers exercises for healing and self-forgiveness to help parents move forward. Lastly, topics of abortion and the emotional aftermath are addressed, emphasizing understanding and non-judgment from the spirit baby realm.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi there, Welcome to the Reluctant Medium podcast. I'm doctor
Maria Rothenberger, your host for the podcast and for the
summer of twenty twenty five, I'm doing something slightly different
with the podcast is you can already tell if you
are a frequent listener. I am in the midst of
preparing for season two of the Reluctant Medium TV show, which,
(00:20):
by the way, you can access at newrealitytv dot com.
And because of that, I am going to be putting
some podcast episodes out there that were the most popular
over the years. I've been podcasting since twenty sixteen and
I've had two shows now, The Miracles Happen Fertility Podcast
and The Reluctant Medium. I will be incorporating the most
(00:44):
popular episodes from both of these podcasts over the years,
and we're playing them for you for July and August
of twenty twenty five. I'll be back live with new
podcast episodes in September twenty twenty five, and new Reality
TV we'll also have season two of the Reluctant Medium
TV show. Enjoy these most popular podcast episodes over the
(01:08):
last ten years or so, and I'll see you again
in the fall. Welcome to the Miracles Happen Fertility Podcast,
where science and spirit are the focus of creating your
most fertile life. You'll find a beautiful balance of grounded,
science based topics as well as spiritual talk and how
they are both important for moving toward optimal fertility. Empower
(01:30):
yourself along with me. I'm your host, doctor Maria Rothenberger,
a fellow Fertility friend, therapist, coach, best selling author, and
spirit Baby intuitive Let's get started, Hey, Welcome, Welcome to
the Miracles Happen Fertility Podcast Episode one hundred and fifty,
where we're going to be talking about miscarriage and loss
(01:51):
within the context of Spirit Baby Realm. This is a
very fascinating topic and I'm actually going to go with
my own experiences with working with spirit Baby Realm and
also take a look at Walter mckitchen's books Spirit Babies
and what he says around the same topic. Because my
(02:12):
experience is just my experience, right and so, and of
course Walter mckitchen's experience is just his experience. So I
wanted to give you more of a well rounded insight
around the topic. And certainly if you are already working
with a spirit baby medium, or you have another spirit
baby medium in mind to work with, useful to ask
(02:33):
them the same question, what is their experience with this? Okay,
let's talk about miscarriage within the context of spirit baby realm.
The first thing that I want to say here is
when people ask about loss miscarriage specifically, they will talk
(02:55):
about it in a way that they are blaming themselves
or wondering what they could have done different, or what
they should have done different, or what they did to
mess up. It's always I shouldn't use the word always.
I also shouldn't use the word shouldn't no shoulding on myself,
but it really is. Most of the time people feel
this sense of I could have done, would have done,
(03:18):
should have done better. And I'm here to tell you
Spirit baby Realm just doesn't in my experience, babies don't
see it that way, they don't experience it that way.
And in fact, one of the first messages that often
comes through is this had nothing to do with what
you think it has to do with you did nothing wrong.
(03:42):
It was a choice that I made. And then they'll
talk about their specific choices. So let's go over some
of the choices that I have experienced in Spirit Baby sessions.
And then I'm gonna read to you a little bit
from Walter mckitchen's book. So these are just a few
of the things that have come up when I've talked
(04:02):
with miscarriage with people. Here's one actually that just came
up today. In my notes, I just wrote the body
wasn't right. So this just came up today. The baby
had a certain plan for her life and the body
that was growing just wasn't going to fit that. She
(04:23):
needed to do a certain physical activity and the body
wouldn't have been able to do that. She specifically referenced
muscle weakness because of epilepsy. Now, could she have lived
a full life and been happy, Oh totally, But for
her life plan and we're going to be talking about
contracts in a little bit from Spirit Baby's book by
(04:43):
Walter mckitchen. But her plan, her life plan, didn't fit
that specific body, and so she chose to not move
forward with being born. Another really huge message that has
come through, particularly in the last six months, is babies
(05:04):
talking about the energy of the planet being off. Now
this seems like so macro, but I'm just saying what's
come through from Spirit baby around, particularly in the last
few months. They reference COVID, actually they reference the energy
of COVID was so the only way that I can
(05:26):
describe it as like razor sharp. It was like if
you go to like a beautiful state park or national
park where the peaks are like really sharp in like
in a mountainous area or like a I can't even
think of a particular park right now, but these these
big mountainous rock formations that are really sharp on the edges.
(05:50):
That's what it feels like. Like the energy of COVID
is that. Man, I wish I had better words. I'm
not that eloquent with words, but that is the only
way that I can feel like I can describe it.
It's like if you were to walk Also, there's another analogy,
if you were to walk on lava that's cooled off.
(06:11):
You know that black porous people in Hawaii know exactly
what I'm talking about. It's kind of there's like sharpness
on it. You can actually even cut your feet on
it if you're walking barefoot on that dried or cooled lava.
It feels like that the energy of the planet from
COVID feels like that. Everybody really upset everybody up in arms.
(06:31):
The energy of war is like that too, but there's
a lot more. There's a lot more with war, which
is happening right now, too right. But the energy of
the planet for a good solid couple of years due
to COVID was this very razor sharp, pokey energy that
a lot of babies were like, I just can't, I can't,
(06:53):
I can't do it. I thought maybe I could, and
now I'm feeling the discomfort of it, and I just
can't do it. And so they move back to spirit
baby realm where it's safe and they feel secure again,
and then they can remuster up the energy to be
born or tried to be born again. Another another reason
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that babies have talked about is that they forgot what
it's like to be in a body and how uncomfortable
it is to be on the other side. Feels so
loving and free and knowing that there's more spiritual growth
to do is a thing, but sometimes babies get they
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forget that it's so uncomfortable being so small in a
tightly packed space such as a body. This reminds me
of a ted talk by Jill Bolty Taylor where she
was having a stroke and it's called My Stroke of Insight.
Totally recommend by the way, if you haven't seen it yet,
i'd know. I've referenced it on this podcast before. But
she talks about being so grand and not really understanding
(07:59):
how she could fit inside this little tiny body. Babies
feel the exact same way. It's so uncomfortable. Now in
my experience, souls don't actually move to the body full
time until like the end of a pregnancy, but they
will feel uncomfortable and it becomes too much, and so
they'll choose to not continue most of the time. In fact, god,
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I can't even remember a time in my readings with people,
babies absolutely don't blame parents at all. They just don't.
They never shame parents or say you screwed up or
anything like that. Now I will I want to read
a little bit from Walter M. Kitchen's book, because he
does reference some things that people could blame themselves for. Okay,
(08:52):
so let's see. So he references the energy of the
parents or the whole being off. So he let's see
if I can find that particular passage. Yeah, so this
one passage he was working with, he calls the client Amy,
(09:13):
and this person was put on bed rest at her
eighth month of pregnancy because she was having contractions and
her service was softening. So she had a reading with
Walter mckitchen, and Walter checked in with the baby and
baby was saying, I have to be born now because
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I have to help my parents. They're about to split up.
They're not doing well. And so Walter talked to the
parents and they said, we're yeah, we're arguing, maybe a
little more than usual, but that's not a problem. We're fine,
you know, it's not like we're gonna split up or anything.
And so Walter had this conversation with the baby, you
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don't need to protect your parents. Your parents are here
to protect you. And the long story short, the pregnancy
ended up being okay. The labor stopped on its own,
baby stayed cooking a little while longer, and it was fine.
So sometimes babies will talk about the energy in the
household or between the parents. That's very difficult. In fact,
(10:18):
the same session that I just had today, baby was
talking about that that they were talking about the parents
having like a disconnect they called it. Baby called it
a disconnect, and it sort of stymied him being able
to come through because he chose those two parents specifically.
I want to come through to both of you, not
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one of you individually. I want to come through to
both of you. And so if there's this disconnect, it's
harder for me to come through. I want I want
this to be I need this to be peaceful, I
need this to be light. There was a lightness that
he kept referencing. So they'll talk about things like that now.
I want to be careful here because that does not
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mean fault, because it's so difficult to blame when you
don't know, right, okay, So you're doing the best that
you can with the information that you have, and sometimes
you just don't even know what the baby wants. Some
babies are like, I don't care if they're arguing, it's fine.
Sometimes you just don't know. And part of the reason
(11:23):
why I really love to empower people to connect with
the babies on their own is because you don't need
to go to a medium to ask. You can just
go directly to the source. You can just ask baby directly, hey,
is the energy of our home okay? For you? Also,
if the energy of our home is off, and most
people know that the energy of their home is off,
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they're arguing more, they're irritable or whatever. Sometimes babies just
don't care. It's fine. Let the energy be off. So
you can ask baby that, I know the energy of
our home is like irritable right now and crazy? Is
that okay with you? You can actually ask byby that directly.
And then Walter also mentions, like he named this section
(12:05):
of the book, I need to be healthy, So that
is sometimes when babies choose to not come through because
they need their body to be healthy. I did a
session recently where the baby's heart. He kept referencing his
heart and there were two tiny little I don't know
anything about anatomy, sorry, so I don't have the actual
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words to use, like the Latin words to use, but
they were two valves that were kind of spun like
the opposite direction. They were turned around, and he kept
just showing them to me, and he could have lived okay,
but he wouldn't have lived very long. So that's what
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he showed me that he needed a healthy body. And
he also was being protective of his parents doing creating
a loss now rather than later. So nothing that the
parents did or could have done or should have us
on they did everything right, but this the body wasn't.
This goes back to my own experience of Baby saying
the body wasn't right. But there's this added with that,
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particular instances added, I'm protecting them. I'm protecting my parents.
So that's another theme that comes through, Even though this
seems counterintuitive, I'm protecting my parents from worse pain potentially
(13:31):
in the future. As hard as a miscarriage is a
late term loss, an infant loss, as hard as that is,
it's sometimes from baby's perspective, actually protective. And the person
that I was working with around that recently said that
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she felt that she already knew that, and that's a
good indication that she was connecting to spirit baby realm.
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want to talk a little bit about abortion, because we're
(14:59):
still talking about loss here. I've worked with many people
who have had abortions who are now experiencing infertility, and
they really struggle with that. Again, there's a lot of
self blame. Again, there's a lot of self blame. So
I want to again first say what my personal experience
(15:20):
is working with folks around abortion, and then I want
to read a little bit about what or go over
a little bit about what Walter says. So, the first
thing that comes through when people ask about having an
abortion is from spirit. Baby realm is all souls have
a say, All souls have a say in what happens.
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So it's not just the baby's choice to come through.
It is both parents' choice. It is Spirit guides, it
is all that. It's a conversation and in fact Walter
talks about this contract which I alluded to before. In fact,
he has a visual for this. He probably he sees
(16:02):
this clairvoyantly. I have not seen this, but he says
that the souls of the baby, the souls of the parents,
the greater selves of the parents, sit around a triangle
shaped table and they have these parts of a contract
that look like puzzle pieces, he said, and they're trying
to put them together. It's so fascinating how he sees this,
(16:26):
or how he saw it when he was in a
body himself. He's no longer with us, but that's how
he saw this clairvoyantly, so that all souls have a say. Right,
If the baby says, well, here's my puzzle piece. I
need to be in this kind of body, whether it's
a certain gender, or I need to be a certain height,
or I need to have this kind of health issue
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even or I need to be perfectly healthy, then the
parents come together and say, okay, well we need this
so which doesn't quite match that, is there a way
that we can come to an agreement? Right, So it's
like this, sitting at a table and coming to an agreement.
This is how Walter mckitchen talks about it, and I
don't see it as clearly as that he's far more
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or was far more advanced than I am. But I
feel that essence of a soul contract of like, this
is what I need to do or accomplish in my life.
These are the lessons that I need to learn in
my life. And if that matches what you have to offer,
then I would love to be born. If it doesn't match,
(17:32):
then we won't move forward. That said, in an abortion situation,
all souls have agreed upon something and then one soul
has decided never mind. Right, So there's that. Now, how
babies come through around that? In my experience, babies are
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often totally understanding, they say again, all souls have a
say it's okay. They're totally understanding. Sometimes they're quite loving
and they want to convey it's completely fine, it's totally fine.
Sometimes they'll feel a sense of total sadness for the
parent who is still I don't know, blaming themselves or
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beating themselves up for it, or feel the sense of guilt.
So they'll feel a sense of sadness for the parent
and just want them to be okay. Now I haven't
experienced this, but Walter says that sometimes babies will feel
a sense of anger, like, WTF we had this agreement,
what happened? Why? Why did you choose to end it?
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And then when there's an understanding of why, because Walter
says that the babies in his experience felt that a
promise was broken. You know, they had this agreement on
the soul level and then on the earth level was broken.
Why and sometimes they'll feel a sense of anger. I
haven't felt that from situations where there is an abortion,
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but of course it's entirely possible, and Walter mckitchen talks
about that as well. So he says, like children, spirit
babies react to their parents' broken promises in many different ways.
Some react with empathy and show a great understanding of
the mental, physical, and emotional circumstances that make abortion necessary.
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Some feel sad and become silent and withdrawn. Others react
with anger, demanding an explanation. Whatever their reaction, I have
noticed that spirit babies do not morally judge or condemn
their prospective mother or parents for choosing abortion. Now, this
I find is such an important point to make. There
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is no moral judgment. There is no, you are bad.
You are you know, incapable of you know, choosing well,
there's no judgment at all outside of please explain to
me what happened? Why did you take this promise back?
But no matter what the baby's reaction, no matter what,
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there is usually this question of do you still want me?
Or can I still come now? Some babies will say, okay,
that's fine, broken promise, That's okay, I'm moving on. I'm
gonna choose another family because I need to be born
at a certain time or whatever. But more often than not,
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the baby is still has still chosen that same parent
or parents, and so they're asking do you still want me?
Can I still come through? And sometimes they're just matter
of fact, hey can I still come through? Or are
we still all right? Or they'll be like timid and
scared to ask, you know, like I don't I don't know,
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do you still want me? Is? It's okay? And so
just like all personalities, right, we all have these different reactions,
and we all come from a different perspective and ask
in different ways, have different energies around it. But there
is no massive judgment around you know, having an abortion.
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It was the right choice for you at that time,
Whether there was it doesn't matter. Really. I was going
to go through all kinds of reasons, but it doesn't matter.
What the reason is. It was necessary for you at
that time, and it's okay. And babies are babies are
just understanding in general about it. They just want to
know why. And if you can express, either outlied or
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out loud or in your mind to baby, what the
reason was, do it. Do it? Just express and say
the reason. They will hear you and understand and they
will not judge. Okay. So, now having that basic understanding
around miscarriage and abortions from the spirit baby Realm perspective,
(22:08):
Walter has a couple of exercises that I want to
convey to you. If you don't have his book, I
recommend picking it up. It's fascinating. But I'm just going
to give you these exercises. This is not these aren't
mine the This is Walter mckitchen's work. So I just
want to give credit where credit is due. He calls
this first exercise a mother's healing touch. Now, both of
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these exercises are designed to create healing within you. Whether
this is a miscarriage or abortion, you still need healing right.
So this is what he calls a mother's healing touch.
He says it strengthens the bond between mother and child
to be and helps the mother's energy system support full
term pregnancy. So he says, sit in a comfortable chair
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with your back straight and your feet flat on the floor.
Place your hands palm up on your thighs, and listen
to your breath. This will ground and center you. Now
focus two inches below your navel. With each breath, imagine
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you are creating a glowing, warm orange color all around
your hips. And imagine your future child floating about three
feet in front of you. Visualize your breath expanding the
orange to surround your future child. And imagine that your
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breath is slowly pulling your future child onto your lap.
And when your future child is in your lap, talk
to them seeing your favorite lullaby or chant. And when
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you're ready to finish, chant oh ah ohm three times.
It sounds like this oh, and repeat that three times.
This chant extends an energy of peace and unconditional love
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to your future child. So that's the first exercise. The
second exercise that Walter talks about is called self forgiveness.
He says, The next breath exercise is one I give
to mothers and fathers who need to make a fresh start.
It helps parents put the depression in guilt of the
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past behind them and decide what steps they can take
now to make the dream of having a child come true. Says.
You can do this exercise either lying down or sitting
in a chair. Listen to your breath, focus on the
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center of your chest. In our energy system, the heart
center is the place where we experience absolution, forgiveness and
unconditional love. Inhale for as long as it takes for
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you to say to yourself the following affirmation, I am
washed by the waters of forgiveness. My heart is embraced
with love. Time your exhalation the same way, I am
washed by the waters of forgiveness. My heart is embraced
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by love. You are pacing your inhalation and exhalation to
the amount of time it takes you to say this affirmation.
This meditation promotes self forgiveness. It creates a warm and
welcoming atmosphere for spirit babies. Okay, so I hope that
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you have a little bit more of an understanding from
spirit baby realm around miscarriage and abortion, and I hope
that you choose to do one or both of those
exercises to help promote your baby moving into your aura,
into your energy, and to promote self forgiveness, self love,
self absolution. And as always, if you enjoy this podcast,
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my friend, be well hard to be
Hi there, Welcome to the Reluctant Medium podcast. I'm doctor
Maria Rothenberger, your host for the podcast and for the
summer of twenty twenty five, I'm doing something slightly different
with the podcast is you can already tell if you
are a frequent listener. I am in the midst of
preparing for season two of the Reluctant Medium TV show, which,
(00:20):
by the way, you can access at newrealitytv dot com.
And because of that, I am going to be putting
some podcast episodes out there that were the most popular
over the years. I've been podcasting since twenty sixteen and
I've had two shows now, The Miracles Happen Fertility Podcast
and The Reluctant Medium. I will be incorporating the most
(00:44):
popular episodes from both of these podcasts over the years,
and we're playing them for you for July and August
of twenty twenty five. I'll be back live with new
podcast episodes in September twenty twenty five, and new Reality
TV we'll also have season two of the Reluctant Medium
TV show. Enjoy these most popular podcast episodes over the
(01:08):
last ten years or so, and I'll see you again
in the fall. Welcome to the Miracles Happen Fertility Podcast,
where science and spirit are the focus of creating your
most fertile life. You'll find a beautiful balance of grounded,
science based topics as well as spiritual talk and how
they are both important for moving toward optimal fertility. Empower
(01:30):
yourself along with me. I'm your host, doctor Maria Rothenberger,
a fellow Fertility friend, therapist, coach, best selling author, and
spirit Baby intuitive Let's get started, Hey, Welcome, Welcome to
the Miracles Happen Fertility Podcast Episode one hundred and fifty,
where we're going to be talking about miscarriage and loss
(01:51):
within the context of Spirit Baby Realm. This is a
very fascinating topic and I'm actually going to go with
my own experiences with working with spirit Baby Realm and
also take a look at Walter mckitchen's books Spirit Babies
and what he says around the same topic. Because my
(02:12):
experience is just my experience, right and so, and of
course Walter mckitchen's experience is just his experience. So I
wanted to give you more of a well rounded insight
around the topic. And certainly if you are already working
with a spirit baby medium, or you have another spirit
baby medium in mind to work with, useful to ask
(02:33):
them the same question, what is their experience with this? Okay,
let's talk about miscarriage within the context of spirit baby realm.
The first thing that I want to say here is
when people ask about loss miscarriage specifically, they will talk
(02:55):
about it in a way that they are blaming themselves
or wondering what they could have done different, or what
they should have done different, or what they did to
mess up. It's always I shouldn't use the word always.
I also shouldn't use the word shouldn't no shoulding on myself,
but it really is. Most of the time people feel
this sense of I could have done, would have done,
(03:18):
should have done better. And I'm here to tell you
Spirit baby Realm just doesn't in my experience, babies don't
see it that way, they don't experience it that way.
And in fact, one of the first messages that often
comes through is this had nothing to do with what
you think it has to do with you did nothing wrong.
(03:42):
It was a choice that I made. And then they'll
talk about their specific choices. So let's go over some
of the choices that I have experienced in Spirit Baby sessions.
And then I'm gonna read to you a little bit
from Walter mckitchen's book. So these are just a few
of the things that have come up when I've talked
(04:02):
with miscarriage with people. Here's one actually that just came
up today. In my notes, I just wrote the body
wasn't right. So this just came up today. The baby
had a certain plan for her life and the body
that was growing just wasn't going to fit that. She
(04:23):
needed to do a certain physical activity and the body
wouldn't have been able to do that. She specifically referenced
muscle weakness because of epilepsy. Now, could she have lived
a full life and been happy, Oh totally, But for
her life plan and we're going to be talking about
contracts in a little bit from Spirit Baby's book by
(04:43):
Walter mckitchen. But her plan, her life plan, didn't fit
that specific body, and so she chose to not move
forward with being born. Another really huge message that has
come through, particularly in the last six months, is babies
(05:04):
talking about the energy of the planet being off. Now
this seems like so macro, but I'm just saying what's
come through from Spirit baby around, particularly in the last
few months. They reference COVID, actually they reference the energy
of COVID was so the only way that I can
(05:26):
describe it as like razor sharp. It was like if
you go to like a beautiful state park or national
park where the peaks are like really sharp in like
in a mountainous area or like a I can't even
think of a particular park right now, but these these
big mountainous rock formations that are really sharp on the edges.
(05:50):
That's what it feels like. Like the energy of COVID
is that. Man, I wish I had better words. I'm
not that eloquent with words, but that is the only
way that I can feel like I can describe it.
It's like if you were to walk Also, there's another analogy,
if you were to walk on lava that's cooled off.
(06:11):
You know that black porous people in Hawaii know exactly
what I'm talking about. It's kind of there's like sharpness
on it. You can actually even cut your feet on
it if you're walking barefoot on that dried or cooled lava.
It feels like that the energy of the planet from
COVID feels like that. Everybody really upset everybody up in arms.
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The energy of war is like that too, but there's
a lot more. There's a lot more with war, which
is happening right now, too right. But the energy of
the planet for a good solid couple of years due
to COVID was this very razor sharp, pokey energy that
a lot of babies were like, I just can't, I can't,
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I can't do it. I thought maybe I could, and
now I'm feeling the discomfort of it, and I just
can't do it. And so they move back to spirit
baby realm where it's safe and they feel secure again,
and then they can remuster up the energy to be
born or tried to be born again. Another another reason
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that babies have talked about is that they forgot what
it's like to be in a body and how uncomfortable
it is to be on the other side. Feels so
loving and free and knowing that there's more spiritual growth
to do is a thing, but sometimes babies get they
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forget that it's so uncomfortable being so small in a
tightly packed space such as a body. This reminds me
of a ted talk by Jill Bolty Taylor where she
was having a stroke and it's called My Stroke of Insight.
Totally recommend by the way, if you haven't seen it yet,
i'd know. I've referenced it on this podcast before. But
she talks about being so grand and not really understanding
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how she could fit inside this little tiny body. Babies
feel the exact same way. It's so uncomfortable. Now in
my experience, souls don't actually move to the body full
time until like the end of a pregnancy, but they
will feel uncomfortable and it becomes too much, and so
they'll choose to not continue most of the time. In fact, god,
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I can't even remember a time in my readings with people,
babies absolutely don't blame parents at all. They just don't.
They never shame parents or say you screwed up or
anything like that. Now I will I want to read
a little bit from Walter M. Kitchen's book, because he
does reference some things that people could blame themselves for. Okay,
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so let's see. So he references the energy of the
parents or the whole being off. So he let's see
if I can find that particular passage. Yeah, so this
one passage he was working with, he calls the client Amy,
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and this person was put on bed rest at her
eighth month of pregnancy because she was having contractions and
her service was softening. So she had a reading with
Walter mckitchen, and Walter checked in with the baby and
baby was saying, I have to be born now because
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I have to help my parents. They're about to split up.
They're not doing well. And so Walter talked to the
parents and they said, we're yeah, we're arguing, maybe a
little more than usual, but that's not a problem. We're fine,
you know, it's not like we're gonna split up or anything.
And so Walter had this conversation with the baby, you
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don't need to protect your parents. Your parents are here
to protect you. And the long story short, the pregnancy
ended up being okay. The labor stopped on its own,
baby stayed cooking a little while longer, and it was fine.
So sometimes babies will talk about the energy in the
household or between the parents. That's very difficult. In fact,
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the same session that I just had today, baby was
talking about that that they were talking about the parents
having like a disconnect they called it. Baby called it
a disconnect, and it sort of stymied him being able
to come through because he chose those two parents specifically.
I want to come through to both of you, not
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one of you individually. I want to come through to
both of you. And so if there's this disconnect, it's
harder for me to come through. I want I want
this to be I need this to be peaceful, I
need this to be light. There was a lightness that
he kept referencing. So they'll talk about things like that now.
I want to be careful here because that does not
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mean fault, because it's so difficult to blame when you
don't know, right, okay, So you're doing the best that
you can with the information that you have, and sometimes
you just don't even know what the baby wants. Some
babies are like, I don't care if they're arguing, it's fine.
Sometimes you just don't know. And part of the reason
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why I really love to empower people to connect with
the babies on their own is because you don't need
to go to a medium to ask. You can just
go directly to the source. You can just ask baby directly, hey,
is the energy of our home okay? For you? Also,
if the energy of our home is off, and most
people know that the energy of their home is off,
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they're arguing more, they're irritable or whatever. Sometimes babies just
don't care. It's fine. Let the energy be off. So
you can ask baby that, I know the energy of
our home is like irritable right now and crazy? Is
that okay with you? You can actually ask byby that directly.
And then Walter also mentions, like he named this section
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of the book, I need to be healthy, So that
is sometimes when babies choose to not come through because
they need their body to be healthy. I did a
session recently where the baby's heart. He kept referencing his
heart and there were two tiny little I don't know
anything about anatomy, sorry, so I don't have the actual
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words to use, like the Latin words to use, but
they were two valves that were kind of spun like
the opposite direction. They were turned around, and he kept
just showing them to me, and he could have lived okay,
but he wouldn't have lived very long. So that's what
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he showed me that he needed a healthy body. And
he also was being protective of his parents doing creating
a loss now rather than later. So nothing that the
parents did or could have done or should have us
on they did everything right, but this the body wasn't.
This goes back to my own experience of Baby saying
the body wasn't right. But there's this added with that,
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particular instances added, I'm protecting them. I'm protecting my parents.
So that's another theme that comes through, Even though this
seems counterintuitive, I'm protecting my parents from worse pain potentially
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in the future. As hard as a miscarriage is a
late term loss, an infant loss, as hard as that is,
it's sometimes from baby's perspective, actually protective. And the person
that I was working with around that recently said that
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she felt that she already knew that, and that's a
good indication that she was connecting to spirit baby realm.
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want to talk a little bit about abortion, because we're
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still talking about loss here. I've worked with many people
who have had abortions who are now experiencing infertility, and
they really struggle with that. Again, there's a lot of
self blame. Again, there's a lot of self blame. So
I want to again first say what my personal experience
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is working with folks around abortion, and then I want
to read a little bit about what or go over
a little bit about what Walter says. So, the first
thing that comes through when people ask about having an
abortion is from spirit. Baby realm is all souls have
a say, All souls have a say in what happens.
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So it's not just the baby's choice to come through.
It is both parents' choice. It is Spirit guides, it
is all that. It's a conversation and in fact Walter
talks about this contract which I alluded to before. In fact,
he has a visual for this. He probably he sees
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this clairvoyantly. I have not seen this, but he says
that the souls of the baby, the souls of the parents,
the greater selves of the parents, sit around a triangle
shaped table and they have these parts of a contract
that look like puzzle pieces, he said, and they're trying
to put them together. It's so fascinating how he sees this,
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or how he saw it when he was in a
body himself. He's no longer with us, but that's how
he saw this clairvoyantly, so that all souls have a say. Right,
If the baby says, well, here's my puzzle piece. I
need to be in this kind of body, whether it's
a certain gender, or I need to be a certain height,
or I need to have this kind of health issue
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even or I need to be perfectly healthy, then the
parents come together and say, okay, well we need this
so which doesn't quite match that, is there a way
that we can come to an agreement? Right, So it's
like this, sitting at a table and coming to an agreement.
This is how Walter mckitchen talks about it, and I
don't see it as clearly as that he's far more
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or was far more advanced than I am. But I
feel that essence of a soul contract of like, this
is what I need to do or accomplish in my life.
These are the lessons that I need to learn in
my life. And if that matches what you have to offer,
then I would love to be born. If it doesn't match,
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then we won't move forward. That said, in an abortion situation,
all souls have agreed upon something and then one soul
has decided never mind. Right, So there's that. Now, how
babies come through around that? In my experience, babies are
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often totally understanding, they say again, all souls have a
say it's okay. They're totally understanding. Sometimes they're quite loving
and they want to convey it's completely fine, it's totally fine.
Sometimes they'll feel a sense of total sadness for the
parent who is still I don't know, blaming themselves or
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beating themselves up for it, or feel the sense of guilt.
So they'll feel a sense of sadness for the parent
and just want them to be okay. Now I haven't
experienced this, but Walter says that sometimes babies will feel
a sense of anger, like, WTF we had this agreement,
what happened? Why? Why did you choose to end it?
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And then when there's an understanding of why, because Walter
says that the babies in his experience felt that a
promise was broken. You know, they had this agreement on
the soul level and then on the earth level was broken.
Why and sometimes they'll feel a sense of anger. I
haven't felt that from situations where there is an abortion,
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but of course it's entirely possible, and Walter mckitchen talks
about that as well. So he says, like children, spirit
babies react to their parents' broken promises in many different ways.
Some react with empathy and show a great understanding of
the mental, physical, and emotional circumstances that make abortion necessary.
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Some feel sad and become silent and withdrawn. Others react
with anger, demanding an explanation. Whatever their reaction, I have
noticed that spirit babies do not morally judge or condemn
their prospective mother or parents for choosing abortion. Now, this
I find is such an important point to make. There
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is no moral judgment. There is no, you are bad.
You are you know, incapable of you know, choosing well,
there's no judgment at all outside of please explain to
me what happened? Why did you take this promise back?
But no matter what the baby's reaction, no matter what,
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there is usually this question of do you still want me?
Or can I still come now? Some babies will say, okay,
that's fine, broken promise, That's okay, I'm moving on. I'm
gonna choose another family because I need to be born
at a certain time or whatever. But more often than not,
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the baby is still has still chosen that same parent
or parents, and so they're asking do you still want me?
Can I still come through? And sometimes they're just matter
of fact, hey can I still come through? Or are
we still all right? Or they'll be like timid and
scared to ask, you know, like I don't I don't know,
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do you still want me? Is? It's okay? And so
just like all personalities, right, we all have these different reactions,
and we all come from a different perspective and ask
in different ways, have different energies around it. But there
is no massive judgment around you know, having an abortion.
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It was the right choice for you at that time,
Whether there was it doesn't matter. Really. I was going
to go through all kinds of reasons, but it doesn't matter.
What the reason is. It was necessary for you at
that time, and it's okay. And babies are babies are
just understanding in general about it. They just want to
know why. And if you can express, either outlied or
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out loud or in your mind to baby, what the
reason was, do it. Do it? Just express and say
the reason. They will hear you and understand and they
will not judge. Okay. So, now having that basic understanding
around miscarriage and abortions from the spirit baby Realm perspective,
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Walter has a couple of exercises that I want to
convey to you. If you don't have his book, I
recommend picking it up. It's fascinating. But I'm just going
to give you these exercises. This is not these aren't
mine the This is Walter mckitchen's work. So I just
want to give credit where credit is due. He calls
this first exercise a mother's healing touch. Now, both of
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these exercises are designed to create healing within you. Whether
this is a miscarriage or abortion, you still need healing right.
So this is what he calls a mother's healing touch.
He says it strengthens the bond between mother and child
to be and helps the mother's energy system support full
term pregnancy. So he says, sit in a comfortable chair
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with your back straight and your feet flat on the floor.
Place your hands palm up on your thighs, and listen
to your breath. This will ground and center you. Now
focus two inches below your navel. With each breath, imagine
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you are creating a glowing, warm orange color all around
your hips. And imagine your future child floating about three
feet in front of you. Visualize your breath expanding the
orange to surround your future child. And imagine that your
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breath is slowly pulling your future child onto your lap.
And when your future child is in your lap, talk
to them seeing your favorite lullaby or chant. And when
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you're ready to finish, chant oh ah ohm three times.
It sounds like this oh, and repeat that three times.
This chant extends an energy of peace and unconditional love
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to your future child. So that's the first exercise. The
second exercise that Walter talks about is called self forgiveness.
He says, The next breath exercise is one I give
to mothers and fathers who need to make a fresh start.
It helps parents put the depression in guilt of the
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past behind them and decide what steps they can take
now to make the dream of having a child come true. Says.
You can do this exercise either lying down or sitting
in a chair. Listen to your breath, focus on the
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center of your chest. In our energy system, the heart
center is the place where we experience absolution, forgiveness and
unconditional love. Inhale for as long as it takes for
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you to say to yourself the following affirmation, I am
washed by the waters of forgiveness. My heart is embraced
with love. Time your exhalation the same way, I am
washed by the waters of forgiveness. My heart is embraced
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by love. You are pacing your inhalation and exhalation to
the amount of time it takes you to say this affirmation.
This meditation promotes self forgiveness. It creates a warm and
welcoming atmosphere for spirit babies. Okay, so I hope that
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you have a little bit more of an understanding from
spirit baby realm around miscarriage and abortion, and I hope
that you choose to do one or both of those
exercises to help promote your baby moving into your aura,
into your energy, and to promote self forgiveness, self love,
self absolution. And as always, if you enjoy this podcast,
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