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Speaker 3 (01:22):
Always, and back in studio mister Darren Angel.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Truth are Darren from the Weisch Law Firm joining us
and it's great to have the gang reunited, so to
speak in studio. I know we've been able to connect
in remotes. We were together on Friday as we were
down at Anderson Motor Speedway. So obviously you missed that
tray as you were back here in studio. But mister
Darren Angel is here, so welcome sir. Back yes, back
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back now, Yes, we're it's official because football is back.
Oh yeah right, I mean we are in football week.
That's my new term. Oh football week now we zero noek,
I can't see. I can't say oh yeah, I can't
say it. Yes, A trick you into saying it football week.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
We're here, We're here, yes, and I am going to die.
I shouldn't say die.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I am going to stand on that mountain top and
raise that flag that it's football week, okay, that it's
not weak donut, No, it's not week one is when
we'll officially say that it's Week one.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, it's officially football season.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
We don't need the gimmick, And I know I've talked
about that plenty of times. You can join the conversation
eight six four two four zero five four eight zero
in that numbers eight six four two four zero five
four eight zero. As we have a lot to talk about.
And yesterday, as we were talking before we jumped on
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the air here the three of us and I had
mentioned some of the topics that I talked about yesterday. Yeah,
and the main one was initially talking about the college
football player Off and how the Big Ten was wanting
to expand the college football playoff to twenty four to
twenty eight teams, and how again, too many times in
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life that we try to overcomplicate things, and I feel
we're running into the same scenario here with a college
football playoff. Doesn't mean things don't need to be tweaked,
you don't need to evolve, you don't need to look
at being more efficient or all of those things. I
get that, but do it in a way that seems logical,
that seems rational.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
And there's also.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's okay to utilize other blueprints that are out there,
right you can copy homework if you can exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
We don't have to reinvent the wheel with everything we don't.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
We love college football, this is what I talked about,
and we love the NFL, and we don't have to
have an NFL light We can still have college football
to just model it very similar to the way college
football does in terms of crowning their national champion. And
I think it has become even more evident based on
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what we saw today with the news coming out that
Auburn has decided to just go ahead and start claiming
more football national championships to increase their total, and the
ludicracy that we have in that type of situation, and
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it just emphasizes even more so that don't we need
just an easier solution how we crown a national champion
and get away from all this rhetoric, all the propaganda,
all of these teams vying for who they think should
be national champion based on years ago when it was
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just some dude and some newspaper writer that Okay, yes
we think this is the best team.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
We're going to give them a national championship.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Love it or hate it, whatever you want to think
about the NF or any of these other major league
just sports organizations. One thing you can say, you really
can't argue when the game is over, Hey they won. Yeah,
you might want to try and argue the calls or
anything like that. But at the at the end of
the day, the end of the game, that scoreboard they
went in by one point.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
There's no question about it. There's no question. No other
team can claim it. That's right.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And I know, even from a law perspective, Dren and
this is where I have you chime in that again,
precedent is very big in law, okay, but there's also
there's something about where I know and this is not
taking a shot at lawyers, nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Shots you want, okay, but there's.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Something about it seems to be there's these great areas
and well, it could be this or it could be that,
and so many times it's based on some precedent over here,
precedent over there, and how it's interpreted, how one judge
might interpret a ruling versus another, and you get into
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this murkiness that do you really ever have resolution? And
I feel this the same way with college football, And again,
I think there's times when you want to look at
and I know most people have already decided, yes, this
system is much better in terms of at least there's
twelve team playoff, right, it's better than the four team playoff.
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The four team playoff was better than the BCS. The
BCS was better than the old system with the voting,
you know, and all of that. And that's why I
do contend that sometimes it's easy to examine something and recognize. Okay,
if we started with a twelve team playoff, if we
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started with this division of football teams in college that
was say thirty six to forty eight teams, Okay, that's
where that was the starting point. Yeah, not this that
there's a one hundred plus universities playing in all of
these different conferences. We're starting at thirty six or forty
eight teams that compete for a national championship and then
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they go into a playoffs. And I said, hey, let's
just have sixteen team playoff. That's an easy format. And
if we had that, would we say, okay, you know what,
let's don't do that. Let's change it where there's one
hundred and thirty two teams and we have no idea
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how to select who's going to play for a national
championship other than a selection committee and automatic bids based
on teams that may or may not even play in
similar opponents. And that's how we're going to crown a
national champion. Why exactly, we wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Couldn't have said it better? Yeah, we wouldn't do it. No,
it makes zero sense.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Why And I even even another analogy is the same way.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I know there's a viewpoint on electric cars and.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
You know, I know it has a someone I shouldn't
say stigma, But if you think about electric cars where
there's no motor and there's you know, seven hundred less
parts that go into the car, the maintenance issues. So
would we have started with electric cars? Would we have said, oh,
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you know what, let's invent this car that you have
to put a highly flammable liquid into it, and you know,
and it has one thousand parts that you have to
maintain consistently.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, that's a better option when you put it that way.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Exactly, that's the point, like, hello, again, let's look at
it from a rational standpoint. So for Auburn to be
here in this position, I mean, and Darren, I know
you had looked up some of the information and please
read the quote from the athletic director Auburn and just
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his thoughts on why they came to this conclusion. And
I still just wonder did he lose a band because
the the arrows that are going to be coming his way.
I mean, it's just absolutely insane.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, you know, probably it probably wasn't Probably wasn't great.
According to the to The Atlantic, the Auburn athletic director
was quoted as saying, quote, for too long, Auburn has
chosen a humble approach to our programs storied history, choosing
to only recognize Associated Press national championships end quote. And
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that was that was from the athletic director John Cone,
who goes on to say, quote, starting this fall, well,
we have made the decision to honor the accomplishments of
our deserving student athletes, coaches, and teams from Auburn's proud history.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
End quote. There you go.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah, look, I'll due respect.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm not sure I really know what to say from
the perspective of what I mean, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yes, and that's my point. Now again, I think there's
somewhat of a and maybe I'm reaching here, but is
this almost like an April fool's joke. Is this something
as we're heading into football week? Is there something I
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don't know? Or is this Auburn telling you and telling
Auburn fans. Hey, guys, all right, this team is not
going to be good this year. So we're gonna have
a distraction right now, you know, because we don't know.
We might be playing two or three quarterbacks, we might
have two or three coaches, yeah, calling different plays on
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different downs, whatever it might be. Because I just don't understand it.
I have no idea from where we're getting this. So
other schools now have done this, though, so this is
not national president They're not the first, but this is
in the most recent history. But aside from nineteen fifty eight,
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in twenty ten, Alburn's national championships, according to them now
have been awarded by the Maxwell Ratings. Oh yeah, the
honorable Richard Billingsley Okay, yep, the honorable Okay, James Howell's
Power Ratings, Montgomery Full Season Championship, the Rothman College Football
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Research Association, the National Championship Foundation, Darryl Perry, Oh yeah,
he's a great college football pundit. I have no idea
who Darryl Perry is and the g b E College
Football ratings.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
My oh my, that's prestigious. I yes, And.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
If we're going down that route, then we then have
to recognize that Princeton is the leading university with the
national championships in college football with a total of twenty
eight wow, dating back.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
All the way yes to the eighteen hundreds. So there
we go.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So Princeton is the best team ever assembled in college football.
That's how we're going to decide this based on these
type of criteria. It absolutely makes zero sense.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
It really does. And you know the funny thing here,
and I'm sure people will disagree with me on this,
but I'm almost more comfortable with the like the pre
Pole era titles than the ones that are during poll eras,
because i mean, whatever the criteria is, if you weren't
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the number one team in the country, however we decided
it kind of just like what you just got done, Sane,
that was decided. There's a poll, the pole that we
used that time has said this was the national champion
this year. Yes, So I'm more perplexed by the by
the ones they're claiming during the poll.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, and I'm sorry if Auburn if you go undefeated,
but you don't get to play in the National Championship game.
And I know, yes, that's that's one of the things
that happened. Yeah, here with one of the seasons that
they're claiming a national championship.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, and I do understand the frustration.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
But in two thousand and four, now are we to
say that Tommy Tubberville is a national championship coach?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
We can't.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
No, no.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
And you know the funny thing is is we do
talk a lot and we always haven't and I agree
with you, there is a there is a frustration there,
But we talk a lot about that in college football historically,
the undefeated teams that didn't get the national championship. But
in the same vein you can you can point to
the NFL, you can point to the NBA, you can
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point to Major League Baseball. And I'll give you two
examples right now. The Patriots team that was undefeated until
they lost to the Giants and the Super Bowl. Yeah,
and the Golden State Warriors team that won seventy was
it seventy seven or thirty four lost in the finals. Well,
guess what those were the best teams forget undefeated or not.
Those were the best teams in the league that year
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and they didn't win a championship.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
So sometimes that stuff happens.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And that's what you talked about, Trey, Yeah, is that
sometimes this other team beat you by one point, but
you know.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
The winner and loser right right exactly, it's defined.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yes, And the thing that frustrates me is if you
want to go back and be like, well, the polls
and like, it feels like it undermines the whole spirit
of the game, Like does everything the whole season is
predicated on. Hey, let's go out on the field, let's
play the best weekend. If you're just gonna decide it
that way, then why you even play the game?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Why I do the season?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Why don't you just send the whole thing, write it
down on paper and just play it out that way?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yes, And how many times we said, oh, they look
great on paper, but.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
We don't know how they are out on the field.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yes, because the human element decides these games, right at
the end of the day, that's what happens. And then
now we're using the human element to actually decide a
national champion just based on criteria that is not solely
on wins and losses, right, And that's the problem because
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we shouldn't be selecting a national champion.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
That's not our job. It's the job of these teams
to go out there and win. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
How you select a national champion, you actually go earn
it because you earn it by winning. You earn it
by being the last team standing and didn't lose that
very last game of that particular postseason, right.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
And is what we're doing right now with the twelve
team playoff potentially expanding to fourteen sixteen teams whatever?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Is it perfect?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
No, it's not. I think you could use some improvements.
But at least we're not voting, like maybe you vote
to get the people in there. And I still feel
like that could change, like maybe we could go off some.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Sort of record. It's a little bit harder with.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
All the different teams in the way that they're kind of,
you know, patterned out with just the way college football is.
It's a little more difficult in that, but at least
they're settling it out on the field, and I think
that's a step in the direction that we should be
taking from just a sports perspective. Again, if you're just
gonna vote on it and pict the national championship.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
That way is why do it? It's a pageantry at
that point. Yeah, and that's not what we want to
see as college football fans. And that's why, again, I
think the model is there with the NFL. We don't
have to go out and searge, we don't have to
go out and manufacture or something. And again, I know
there's much more involved. I totally understand that, but that
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doesn't mean we don't have smart enough people that over
the next several years that can move us forward, because
I do think it's trending that way that we could
have this quote unquote super conference, this college football league,
however you want to describe it, because I know there's
private equity people out there they would love to be
able to get their hands on creating some type of league.
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Say it's forty eight teams, you have twelve teams in
each division, and you have it just like the NFL.
These teams play kind of round robin within their division,
and maybe you have a crossover with a couple of
teams because maybe there might be some rivalries that you
want to keep intact. And we know that historically there's
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only a handful of teams that can actually win a
national championship anyway. That's why we already have it with
the top twenty five who's winning a national championship that
at the end of the day, when they're ranked seventy
eight in the country, it's not happening. So let's have
it where it's much more of the teams that are
more similar and you have the opportunity of winning the
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College Football League national champion and then you can still
have say an FB of the teams that are maybe
don't want to invest the financial side because maybe there's
an entro fee to enter into this and be in
that upper echelon the highest tier of college football. I
think there's something to be said because I know college
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football as much as we don't want it to be
like the NFL, because it is unique. You do have
the communities, you do have you know, the loyalties of
a school, and you know the alumni bases all of that,
and it is special, and we can keep it that way.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Two things can be true at the same time, I
have a better model and still keep tradition. Exactly, you
don't have to say that this is the NFL light. No,
just all I'm saying is just the structure of it.
We're already there. We've got revenue sharing that's happening. We're
eventually going to have collective bargaining. I don't care what
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anybody says, that is happening, because that's the only safe
way to get out of the legal entrapments that are
that we're continuing to see. So there is that side
of it. Let me know your thoughts though, eight six
four two four zero five four eight zero. Again that
numbers eight six four two four zero five four eight zero?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
And your is your team? Are they out there? Should
they claim a national champion?
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You hey, let us know because maybe Clemson back in
nineteen hundred Clemson what's six?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And oh you know, hey.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Can we can Clemson claim a national championship back then?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Nineteen forty eight? Eleven? And oh why not?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Did they beat Princeton?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yes, did not play Princeton, So there you go. But Princeton,
we do know, as the top team in.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
All of college football was twenty eight national championships. Much
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A little bit overcast today, it's still a little humid
out there, lower temperatures. So yes, football week, Oh yeah,
it's here. Iowa stayed in Kansas State at noon. Over
in Ireland. They will get things kicked off on Saturday,
and then the following weekend. That's when everybody's going to
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be very excited because we will truly have the beginning
of college football. And don't forget that Friday night Georgia
Tech and Colorado. That's going to be very interesting game.
I'm interested to see how Georgia Tech is.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Going to be.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I do think they're going to be much better than
people anticipate, even though Brent Key has come out and
has said his team's not even close to being ready.
We're terrible. Basically I'm paraphrasing here. And so how much
does that as coach speak? Yeah, trying to motive other people.
I mean, as you know, Darren, you're former coach. I mean,
it's one of the things that I don't know. It's
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almost like default with sandbag a little bit. Yeah, and
try to make sure that these guys aren't believing too
much in themselves.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Yeah, there's no coach has ever satisfied him, and there's
always something you could have just one by thirty and
there's well, you know, we.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Didn't do we didn't do this.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, now that that's that's a that's a that's a
that's an easy one to get in between and figure
out in between the lines.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Like you definitely have to read in between the lines,
and lou Holtz was one of the best to being
able to do that. And I know South Carolina fans
remember that, and even Steve Spurrier to a certain degree,
he would say the same thing in Dean Smith in
North Carolina also, and I'm like, come on, Dean, are
you serious. I mean, you've got three All Americans on
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your team. I think you'll you'll be okay and h so,
but it is part of coach speak and that is
just part of it. But here's the list of the
most claimed national championships. Now, Princeton, as we mentioned, with
twenty eight, Yale with twenty seven, Alabama with eighteen, Michigan
with twelve, Notre Dame and Southern cow with eleven, Auburn,
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Ohio State, and pitt the pit Panthers with nine, Harvard, Minnesota, Penn,
UPenn and Oklahoma with seven.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
And then you've got.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Tennessee and Michigan State with six. Michigan State is definitely
one that I would be scratching my head. Michigan State, Yeah,
with six, I mean I need to look in data
a little bit more. Yeah, because that is a little
bit bizarre. Princeton, Yale, the Ivy League schools. Remember that's
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where college football started. Yeah, Okay, so they've been playing
a long long time, so that's a little bit more,
I guess understanding. Yeah, but some of these other ones,
come on, I'm just not buying it. But you can
join the conversation eight six four two four zero five
four eight zero And let's head out to the engles
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Healt line right now, the Richmond Weavers show.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Who's this?
Speaker 7 (23:16):
God On rich How are you Bud doing?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Fantastic?
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Neil?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
How about you, sir?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Well, let me first apologize about my call yesterday. My
wife had given me something about forty five minutes. Thank god,
it wasn't an hour and a half after she gave
it to me, but I was a little fact that
you missed out on having a little fun with me.
I was laughing. I thought Richmond was laughing a little bit.
So I wanted to talk about college football playoffs. I
was wanting to get in on it yesterday, and I forgot,
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you know, obviously because of my situation, let's put it
that way. But first I had someone who asked me this,
and I wanted to say it on the air because
I get asked this a lot, and it is because
a lot of people hear me in there, like Neils
full of crap. You know, he has all this sports knowledge,
but he always you know, back and forth. So I
had someone ask me, rich who do I honestly think,
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if I took the bias out of it, who do
I honestly think are the top the best quarterbacks of
all time? So I made you a little less rich
And I know everybody's going to cremate me for this,
but I'm just being my honest I'm just giving my
honest opinion of what I've seen on the field. This
has nothing to do with what they've accomplished. This is
just who I think are the greatest quarterbacks of all time,
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when it comes to the position, when it comes to
throwing the ball, when it comes to getting first downs.
So I'm going to give you my top seven and
then I'm going to give you my two most overrated guys,
if that's okay, and then we'll talk college football playoffs.
At number seven, I have Matthew Stafford. I know people
are going to be like, are you serious right now,
Matthew Stafford? Really, if you go back, there's one thing
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that you can't control when you play quarterback. First of
there's a bunch of things you can't control, but one
of the things you can't control your defense. You can't
control your offensive line, you can't control if you have
a good run game. You can't control who you're throwing
the ball to. I go by what I've seen on
the field. I go by a guy's arm strength. I
go by what the guy has done in clutch. I
go by what the teams have looked like around him.
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If you put Matthew Stafford on some of those late
forty nine ers teams, they're gonna win the Super Bowl too,
because the guy makes good decisions. He's got a hell
of a strong arm. Top five or six of all
time still playing at this level at this age, even
though he's been for a lot of injuries or whatnot.
If you go back to his Detroit days, the only
reason they didn't win anything back then, I had nothing
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to do with him. All you got to do is
go And this is the most important factor for me. Now,
everybody's going to judge quarterbacks differently, okay, but if you
go to the playoffs, what I care about the most
is touchdown to interception ratio. If you turn the ball over,
you're gonna lose. If you don't, you're going to have
a chance to win. So I put Matthew Stafford at
number seven. Number six is John Elway. I'm not going
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to give any reasons other than the fact that I've
and these are only guys that I've seen rich. So
I'm going to be fifty next year. You are a
little bit older than I. Billy's a little bit older
than I. These are just guys that I've seen played myself.
I'm not going to go back to the Johnny United
States things like that. Okay, John that Way, It's just
what I saw on the field. I saw him take
teams that should not be in the Super Bowl to
the Super Bowl, so I have to put him at
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number six. Also, I saw him do some supid things,
kind of like Josh Allen, so that's why he's not higher.
Number five is Drew Brees. If you give Drew Brees
tom Brady's body, I think Drew Brees would have been
the greatest quarterback of all time. To me, and this
includes Joe Montana, who is considered probably the best quarterback
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of all time when it comes to going through progressions,
I think Drew Brees is the best. I think Drew
Brees with the teams they put it around that man.
I think he did everything in his power to keep
his teams in the games, and I think it all
came down to his smarts, his football IQ and I
think he has the best progression quarterback of all time.
I don't think it's close, and that's including Tom Brady,
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and that's including Joe Montana. And I love Joe Montana,
but I think it's Drew Brees. So I have him
at number four. That said number four, number okay, number four.
This is where everybody's gonna start killing me. Tom Brady,
I didn't say anything about his accomplishments going to ten
Super Bowls and winning seven. However, this is what drives
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me crazy. Rich. This is not towards you, This was
not towards fiveco. This is not towards anybody that calls
this show. But this is just towards the general public.
They will say, to great Tom Brady's the greatest quarterback
of all time, and then they will also not give
Bill Russell any credit at all about winning eleven out
of thirteen championships, two in the University of San Francisco.
Oh well, he had a time. It was back in
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a different area. It was this. Well, you can make
every argument against Tom Brady. They played in one of
the worst divisions in all of football. Every year, they
got to host games every year in Foxborough where it's
literally negative twenty degrees outside during the winter time. Nobody
can go there and win because your first of all,
you're playing on the road. Second of all, it's cold.
You're not used to that. If you go back and
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look at what Tom Brady did in the playoffs on
the road, it was not impress it at all. It
just wasn't. People can say what they want, oh, well
he went to Tampa and won a Super Bowl. There's
a reason why Tom Brady went to Tampa because the
team was loaded. You could see it with Jameis Winston
the year before thirty and thirty. There's a reason why
he picked Tampa. He was only going to pick three
or four teams because he knew those teams had Super
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Bowl aspirations. They were that good. They also had a
dominant defensive line. You couldn't run the ball against them.
And I know I'm going to get some mashed for that,
but I'm just giving my honest opinion here. Number three
Joe Montana. And you're like, wait, Joe Montana is not
number one. He is not because Joe Montana's later years
he put up some ridiculous numbers. But the forty nine
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ers back then were unbelievably dominant. I mean, you could
make the argument that a nine San Francisco team was
maybe the greatest team in NFL history. And it's hard
to argue because when they went and beat Denver with
fifty five to ten, it wasn't that close. I mean,
they could have literally won that game by seventy points
that had they wanted to. They didn't want to. Obviously,
you take your foot off the gas. But to me,
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he Joe Montana is also a product of the team
around him. I think he was a great quarterback. Don't
get me wrong what he did later on in the
years in the playoffs. You know, back then, nobody heard
of anybody doing like throwing two and a half touchdowns
every interception in the playoffs. He did it or close
to it. But I still think it had a lot
to do with Bill Walsh. I think it had a
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lot to do with the West Coast offense that nobody
had ever seen. And I think it had a lot
to do with the offense and the team around him,
even the defense. You know, they were always getting the
ball back. Three. Now here comes the offense again, number two,
and this is where he is. Joe Montana and Tom
Brady's third and fourth. Who the hell is all right?
Numbers here? Aaron Rodgers. Okay, look, people can say whatever
(29:41):
the hell they want about Aaron Rodgers, but I've seen
it with my own eyes, his touchdown to interception ratio.
I don't care what he should have ran into the
end zone against Tampa Bay. You could say that about
every player every game. He should have done this or
should have done that, but they didn't. That's just kind
of the way it flows. You know, it's easy for
us to sit back to never played the quarterback position
and so only should have. Aaron Rodgers has done things
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that I still don't think I will ever see again
as long as I live. And what do I got
thirty years left? Some of the throws that he has
made on the run, I mean just going from one
sideline to the other and just throwing it on the dime.
You just can't teach that. And the only reason that
I have in number two is because Patrick Mahomes has
done it also, but he has also done other things.
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Obviously winning multiple Super Bowls. One of the things that
Patrick Mahomes and obviously he's my number one, that gets
so so overlooked. And I've seen it in two Super
Bowls with my own forty nine er eyes, and I've
seen it in four of them with other people's eyes.
When it's third down, the dude just knows how to
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pick up first downs, even if it's with his legs.
It drives me nuts. He does it in the regular season,
he does it in the postseason, and he also makes
all the throws. He is the closest that I've ever
seen to Aaron Rodgers on making some of those throws.
But the reason that I calipuled to him past Aaron
Rodgers is because simply he makes throws that you don't
even see on video games, where there is no angle
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to throw the ball, and he finds an angle and
he picks up the first down, or because he picks
up first downs with his legs and he extends plays,
something that Aaron Rodgers has done, just not nearly as
good as Patrick Mahomes. So before we talk about college football, obviously,
that's what I said. Yes, get your take on that,
because I am trying to give my honest opinion and
I'm talking about I'm not talking about the most accomplished player. Okay,
(31:31):
I know Lebron James is the greatest, is the greatest
basketball player of all time. He is not the most accomplished.
Michael Jordan is the most accomplished. Bill Russell is the
most accomplished. Michael Jordan's also my greatest player of all
time just because he did it on the court. He
accomplished it, and he won. Lebron James has the most talent, hold.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
On, hold on down, Neil Neil, Neil Neil.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, take a breath, all right, because I do have
to hit this break. We'll break this list down in
just a minute after the break, But give me your
thoughts on college football playoff.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Give me you got forty five seconds.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Brother, Okay. I am one of the few people who
do not like that in all these teams. I do
appreciate more football. Anytime you get more football, it's a
good thing. But just like going back when Clemson lost
to Pittsburgh at home, they made it, and I told
Billy they make it, they're going to win it. They did.
Just like last year Ohio State lost at home to Michigan.
If they make it, they'll probably win it. I still
(32:27):
think Texas was better than them. I think they all
played them. They just had turnovers and stoop the mistakes
that stupid times. I think it kind of waters down
the regular season, and I just don't like that. I
know the NFL is their model, and you can't go
wrong when you model after the NFL. I just I
just ain't crazy about twelve teams. I think they should
have kept it either six or eight and kept it
there forever and we'd have been good. But anyways, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Rich, yes, sir, thank you, Neal.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
We appreciate it, and sorry I had to hit this break,
but I do like the list. But I've got some
comments about the list, and some of my thoughts come
in up after the break. Much more of the Richmond
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Speaker 3 (34:08):
Head out to the Engles hot line right now, the
Richard Weaver Show. Who's this.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
Rich there? And what's going on? Fellas?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
What's happening? Chad the Bending King? How are you, sir?
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Man? I just I want to call in rich I
gotta apologize, Man, I sold Neil that bag of stuff
he's smoking. Man, I mean I told him he was
strong and take it easy, but he didn't listen. Man,
he's called in here giving this crazy list. Man, how
in the world you ain't gonna put Marino and Peyton
(34:42):
Manning on the list and not put Montana number one?
And why you got Drew Brees and Stafford on there,
I don't know. And Jordan is absolutely the gold over
o'bron James. He gonna just smoke half of it or something.
He got it all wrong there.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yes, So are you saying he got it from the
vending machine because I didn't know you had that type
of stuff in the vending.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Machine there, Chad, Well, a little little water.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Exactly.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
But we can't talk about it much, that's right.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yes, we have to be very discreet and just to
let everybody know, all you law enforcement authorities out there,
we are obviously being sarcastic and we are joking.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
So who do you have your number one quarterback?
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Then I'm going I'm going for the joke.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yes, So, Chad, who do you have is your number
one quarterback? Did you say it was Joe.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Lontana? Absolutely all day long ago Montana. Now I might
get Brady number two, but Montana's he's a man.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yes, I completely understand. There's something to be said about
cool Joe. Yes, I saw him break a lot of hearts,
including mine as a Dallas Cowboys fan, as a kid.
I can promise you that, So there is something to
be said about that. But Chad, we appreciate the phone call.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
My friend, Hi rich Man, we just want to get
me a little hard time.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yes, we'll thank you, sir. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yes, And of course it is fun banter to have
fun with the listeners, the investors calling into the show.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
It's part of our community. This is Weaverville.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
This is it, this is We're going to start saying
it's Weaverville. Come join Weaverville. Jump in the show again.
Eight six four two four zero five four eight zero.
All right, So I do have just a few thoughts
about that list before we hit some of the headlines here.
So again I do agree with what Chad said that, Yeah,
(36:54):
I mean Dan Marino has to be up there, Peyton
Manning has to be part of the list if you're
looking at certain criteria.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
And that's where with Neil's list.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Not that I have anything necessarily wrong, because it is
still subjective.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I totally get that.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
But you do have to at some point take into
consideration accomplishments. And I know, you can be the most
accurate passer, you can have the best TD'D interception ratio,
you know, all of those things. You can have the
best physical physique, all of that, but at the end
of the day, there is something about winning, right, And
(37:33):
I know it's still a team sport, so it's hard
to you know, be able to delineate exactly how much
was on that quarterback versus how much the team, how
much the defense. Yes, there's so many factors that go
into it, and that's why we love having these debates.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
That's that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That you have to be able to try to view
it from different lenses of different perspectives. But when you're
you're getting seven super Bowls, when you have more Super
Bowls than some teams, just as an individual, and you
do it in two different places. There is something that
seems to be about Tom Brady that he is It
(38:18):
transcends just some other quarterbacks because he's been able to
do it and for such a long time. Right also now, again,
I know he got some help. I get it, But
you could even go back to Michael Jordan, who I
do think is the goat.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
It's not even close.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I'm reading a biography about Michael Jordan right now and
I'm learning stuff that I didn't even know. And I
am a Jordan you know.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Whatever I mean. I am.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yes, I'm deep into Michael Jordan in terms of knowledge,
and you know, followed him for a long time. But
it's just fascinating what how he came along in a
period of time in American culture and society and it
just seemed to be lightning in a bottle, you know.
So there is something you know, to be said about that,
(39:11):
but he transcended. And that's where I think Tom Brady
to a certain degree transcends some of these other quarterbacks
because of the accomplishments. But Michael Jordan he had help
from other players, right, I mean he had Remember he
had some good teams. Oh yeah, some guys that you know,
top seventy five type of NBA players, you know, and
(39:33):
Hall of famers, those type of individuals, and even like
a Bill Russell. The Celtics teams were loaded, you know.
So I know, yes, he won eleven championships, I understand that,
and he won two at San Francisco, But that doesn't
mean he won them all by himself, and that you
have to be careful that you can't say never and
(39:54):
always or he didn't get any recognition. No, he gets
a lot of recognition for or what he has accomplished.
Maybe not the same to a certain degree because it
was different back in the day. Just like if we're
looking at Princeton, are we going to say that Princeton
is you know, how they're claiming national championships back then?
(40:16):
Could we say that? It's so subjective? So you still
have to take some of the accomplishments into the equation. Now,
I know I've been long winded here.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
No, I mean I completely agree. I think at the
end of the day, championships matter. I mean, that's what
everybody in theory says that they play for, right, and
that matters how many championships you've won. Now, I do
think the quarterback position is a little bit unique in that,
especially with football, you can't do it all yourself. Whereas
(40:49):
in basketball you get a couple good players, you can
be pretty darn competitive. Football, I do think is probably
the hardest for one guy to elevate a team, maybe
to a championship level team. But there's no doubt I
completely agree you have to look at accomplishments because that's
how we measure our best, and I think that's a
fair way to do it, right.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
And I mean, I think, to Neil's credit what he's
trying to say, if you're looking at it from a
pure just quarterback standpoint, if you're just looking at stats,
then sure maybe I could see where his list comes together.
But to both of y'all's point, I think at a
certain point you do look at accomplishments because at the
end of the day, I think that's what we're measuring
success on is did you make it to a championship?
(41:32):
Did you win that championship? Because if you didn't, then
you can be the greatest quarterback ever. But it just
that's just kind of where we are and how we
are as a society. We're looking at how many rings
you got?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah, that's right, well, and what is the criteria in
terms of accomplishments rcalls, wins and losses and championships. That
is an accomplishment. But also if you're the record holder
for the most passing already ever, yeah, you know, that's
an accomplishment in itself right there. And so Dan Marino
(42:02):
was one of those guys who accomplished a lot, right
from a statistical standpoint, and was also close to having
that one Super Bowl victory.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Right, And what you always say, stats don't always tell
the full right.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Exactly, They don't always do that. And so I admire
the list because hey, it's.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Your opinion, right, roll with it, well, and you could
build a top five out of anything and really wanted
a deep dives.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
And at the end of the day, it's hard, well, yeah,
to be able to come up with some of these
lists because a lot of times, I mean, it's minuscule
the difference. So even when you're saying, you know, Patrick
Mahomes versus Aaron Rodgers at one and two on Neil's
list right here. And then you know Patrick versus Joe
(42:48):
Montana one to three, so you're thinking, oh, one to three,
but it's razor thin in terms of the margin.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I think you know so many of the quarterback some
of these players, some of these lists.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I mean it can be abc D number one.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Well it is in like in his defense. I mean
there's only one I would for sure change that Stafford,
and I probably moved Breeze off that list. But I mean,
I'm sitting here looking this, and I kind of jotted
down eight other names I thought you could consider, and
I'm like, I don't know who I'm I don't know
who I'm.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Move and where what other names do you have on
that list?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
So I got Peyton Manning, who would for sure be
on my list. I my thing is probably moving Marino
and removing Breeze. But I can see the argument for Breeze.
I mean, especially what he did is a six foot quarterback. Yes,
that can't go on nose. But I got Manning, Marino.
You know, I think you can make an argument for
an Akman. You know, Brett Farv has not been mentioned,
(43:50):
like him or not? That's right, Steve Young had a
heck of a run, Yes he did. Jim Kelly was
pretty darn good. Yes, Terry Bradshaw won a lot of
Super Bowl with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yes, And look, say
what you want a bottom two? But man, you want
to talk about a guy that I would give the
football to in a big game in his prime?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Ben Roethlisberger, Big Ben? Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Roger Stallback is another guy that I would put, you know,
on that list as far as somebody that I saw
play right, you know. So again, I do like what
Neil was talking about. At least it's people that I
have witnessed, I got to experience, and I think that's
part of it too, being able to develop your list
based on that. I can tell you a guy who's
probably not going to be on the list, and that
(44:35):
is Anthony Richardson of the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yes.
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Oh yeah right, I mean we are in football week.
That's my new term. Oh football week now we zero noek,
I can't see. I can't say oh yeah, I can't
say it. Yes, A trick you into saying it football week.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
We're here, We're here, yes, and I am going to die.
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I am going to stand on that mountain top and
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we'll officially say that it's Week one.
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in that numbers eight six four two four zero five
four eight zero. As we have a lot to talk about.
And yesterday, as we were talking before we jumped on
(02:49):
the air here the three of us and I had
mentioned some of the topics that I talked about yesterday. Yeah,
and the main one was initially talking about the college
football player Off and how the Big Ten was wanting
to expand the college football playoff to twenty four to
twenty eight teams, and how again, too many times in
(03:09):
life that we try to overcomplicate things, and I feel
we're running into the same scenario here with a college
football playoff. Doesn't mean things don't need to be tweaked,
you don't need to evolve, you don't need to look
at being more efficient or all of those things. I
get that, but do it in a way that seems logical,
that seems rational.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
And there's also.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's okay to utilize other blueprints that are out there,
right you can copy homework if you can exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
We don't have to reinvent the wheel with everything we don't.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
We love college football, this is what I talked about,
and we love the NFL, and we don't have to
have an NFL light We can still have college football
to just model it very similar to the way college
football does in terms of crowning their national champion. And
I think it has become even more evident based on
(04:03):
what we saw today with the news coming out that
Auburn has decided to just go ahead and start claiming
more football national championships to increase their total, and the
ludicracy that we have in that type of situation, and
(04:24):
it just emphasizes even more so that don't we need
just an easier solution how we crown a national champion
and get away from all this rhetoric, all the propaganda,
all of these teams vying for who they think should
be national champion based on years ago when it was
(04:48):
just some dude and some newspaper writer that Okay, yes
we think this is the best team.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
We're going to give them a national championship.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Love it or hate it, whatever you want to think
about the NF or any of these other major league
just sports organizations. One thing you can say, you really
can't argue when the game is over, Hey they won. Yeah,
you might want to try and argue the calls or
anything like that. But at the at the end of
the day, the end of the game, that scoreboard they
went in by one point.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
There's no question about it. There's no question. No other
team can claim it. That's right.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And I know, even from a law perspective, Dren and
this is where I have you chime in that again,
precedent is very big in law, okay, but there's also
there's something about where I know and this is not
taking a shot at lawyers, nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Shots you want, okay, but there's.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Something about it seems to be there's these great areas
and well, it could be this or it could be that,
and so many times it's based on some precedent over here,
precedent over there, and how it's interpreted, how one judge
might interpret a ruling versus another, and you get into
(06:01):
this murkiness that do you really ever have resolution? And
I feel this the same way with college football, And again,
I think there's times when you want to look at
and I know most people have already decided, yes, this
system is much better in terms of at least there's
twelve team playoff, right, it's better than the four team playoff.
(06:25):
The four team playoff was better than the BCS. The
BCS was better than the old system with the voting,
you know, and all of that. And that's why I
do contend that sometimes it's easy to examine something and recognize. Okay,
if we started with a twelve team playoff, if we
(06:46):
started with this division of football teams in college that
was say thirty six to forty eight teams, Okay, that's
where that was the starting point. Yeah, not this that
there's a one hundred plus universities playing in all of
these different conferences. We're starting at thirty six or forty
eight teams that compete for a national championship and then
(07:10):
they go into a playoffs. And I said, hey, let's
just have sixteen team playoff. That's an easy format. And
if we had that, would we say, okay, you know what,
let's don't do that. Let's change it where there's one
hundred and thirty two teams and we have no idea
(07:33):
how to select who's going to play for a national
championship other than a selection committee and automatic bids based
on teams that may or may not even play in
similar opponents. And that's how we're going to crown a
national champion. Why exactly, we wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Couldn't have said it better? Yeah, we wouldn't do it. No,
it makes zero sense.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Why And I even even another analogy is the same way.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I know there's a viewpoint on electric cars and.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
You know, I know it has a someone I shouldn't
say stigma, But if you think about electric cars where
there's no motor and there's you know, seven hundred less
parts that go into the car, the maintenance issues. So
would we have started with electric cars? Would we have said, oh,
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you know what, let's invent this car that you have
to put a highly flammable liquid into it, and you know,
and it has one thousand parts that you have to
maintain consistently.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, that's a better option when you put it that way.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Exactly, that's the point, like, hello, again, let's look at
it from a rational standpoint. So for Auburn to be
here in this position, I mean, and Darren, I know
you had looked up some of the information and please
read the quote from the athletic director Auburn and just
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his thoughts on why they came to this conclusion. And
I still just wonder did he lose a band because
the the arrows that are going to be coming his way.
I mean, it's just absolutely insane.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, you know, probably it probably wasn't Probably wasn't great.
According to the to The Atlantic, the Auburn athletic director
was quoted as saying, quote, for too long, Auburn has
chosen a humble approach to our programs storied history, choosing
to only recognize Associated Press national championships end quote. And
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that was that was from the athletic director John Cone,
who goes on to say, quote, starting this fall, well,
we have made the decision to honor the accomplishments of
our deserving student athletes, coaches, and teams from Auburn's proud history.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
End quote. There you go.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah, look, I'll due respect.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm not sure I really know what to say from
the perspective of what I mean, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yes, and that's my point. Now again, I think there's
somewhat of a and maybe I'm reaching here, but is
this almost like an April fool's joke. Is this something
as we're heading into football week? Is there something I
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don't know? Or is this Auburn telling you and telling
Auburn fans. Hey, guys, all right, this team is not
going to be good this year. So we're gonna have
a distraction right now, you know, because we don't know.
We might be playing two or three quarterbacks, we might
have two or three coaches, yeah, calling different plays on
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different downs, whatever it might be. Because I just don't understand it.
I have no idea from where we're getting this. So
other schools now have done this, though, so this is
not national president They're not the first, but this is
in the most recent history. But aside from nineteen fifty eight,
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in twenty ten, Alburn's national championships, according to them now
have been awarded by the Maxwell Ratings. Oh yeah, the
honorable Richard Billingsley Okay, yep, the honorable Okay, James Howell's
Power Ratings, Montgomery Full Season Championship, the Rothman College Football
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Research Association, the National Championship Foundation, Darryl Perry, Oh yeah,
he's a great college football pundit. I have no idea
who Darryl Perry is and the g b E College
Football ratings.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
My oh my, that's prestigious. I yes, And.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
If we're going down that route, then we then have
to recognize that Princeton is the leading university with the
national championships in college football with a total of twenty
eight wow, dating back.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
All the way yes to the eighteen hundreds. So there
we go.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So Princeton is the best team ever assembled in college football.
That's how we're going to decide this based on these
type of criteria. It absolutely makes zero sense.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
It really does. And you know the funny thing here,
and I'm sure people will disagree with me on this,
but I'm almost more comfortable with the like the pre
Pole era titles than the ones that are during poll eras,
because i mean, whatever the criteria is, if you weren't
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the number one team in the country, however we decided
it kind of just like what you just got done, Sane,
that was decided. There's a poll, the pole that we
used that time has said this was the national champion
this year. Yes, So I'm more perplexed by the by
the ones they're claiming during the poll.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, and I'm sorry if Auburn if you go undefeated,
but you don't get to play in the National Championship game.
And I know, yes, that's that's one of the things
that happened. Yeah, here with one of the seasons that
they're claiming a national championship.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, and I do understand the frustration.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
But in two thousand and four, now are we to
say that Tommy Tubberville is a national championship coach?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
We can't.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
No, no.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
And you know the funny thing is is we do
talk a lot and we always haven't and I agree
with you, there is a there is a frustration there,
But we talk a lot about that in college football historically,
the undefeated teams that didn't get the national championship. But
in the same vein you can you can point to
the NFL, you can point to the NBA, you can
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point to Major League Baseball. And I'll give you two
examples right now. The Patriots team that was undefeated until
they lost to the Giants and the Super Bowl. Yeah,
and the Golden State Warriors team that won seventy was
it seventy seven or thirty four lost in the finals. Well,
guess what those were the best teams forget undefeated or not.
Those were the best teams in the league that year
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and they didn't win a championship.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
So sometimes that stuff happens.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And that's what you talked about, Trey, Yeah, is that
sometimes this other team beat you by one point, but
you know.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
The winner and loser right right exactly, it's defined.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yes, And the thing that frustrates me is if you
want to go back and be like, well, the polls
and like, it feels like it undermines the whole spirit
of the game, Like does everything the whole season is
predicated on. Hey, let's go out on the field, let's
play the best weekend. If you're just gonna decide it
that way, then why you even play the game?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Why I do the season?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Why don't you just send the whole thing, write it
down on paper and just play it out that way?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yes, And how many times we said, oh, they look
great on paper, but.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
We don't know how they are out on the field.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yes, because the human element decides these games, right at
the end of the day, that's what happens. And then
now we're using the human element to actually decide a
national champion just based on criteria that is not solely
on wins and losses, right, And that's the problem because
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we shouldn't be selecting a national champion.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
That's not our job. It's the job of these teams
to go out there and win. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
How you select a national champion, you actually go earn
it because you earn it by winning. You earn it
by being the last team standing and didn't lose that
very last game of that particular postseason, right.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
And is what we're doing right now with the twelve
team playoff potentially expanding to fourteen sixteen teams whatever?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Is it perfect?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
No, it's not. I think you could use some improvements.
But at least we're not voting, like maybe you vote
to get the people in there. And I still feel
like that could change, like maybe we could go off some.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Sort of record. It's a little bit harder with.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
All the different teams in the way that they're kind of,
you know, patterned out with just the way college football is.
It's a little more difficult in that, but at least
they're settling it out on the field, and I think
that's a step in the direction that we should be
taking from just a sports perspective. Again, if you're just
gonna vote on it and pict the national championship.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
That way is why do it? It's a pageantry at
that point. Yeah, and that's not what we want to
see as college football fans. And that's why, again, I
think the model is there with the NFL. We don't
have to go out and searge, we don't have to
go out and manufacture or something. And again, I know
there's much more involved. I totally understand that, but that
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doesn't mean we don't have smart enough people that over
the next several years that can move us forward, because
I do think it's trending that way that we could
have this quote unquote super conference, this college football league,
however you want to describe it, because I know there's
private equity people out there they would love to be
able to get their hands on creating some type of league.
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Say it's forty eight teams, you have twelve teams in
each division, and you have it just like the NFL.
These teams play kind of round robin within their division,
and maybe you have a crossover with a couple of
teams because maybe there might be some rivalries that you
want to keep intact. And we know that historically there's
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only a handful of teams that can actually win a
national championship anyway. That's why we already have it with
the top twenty five who's winning a national championship that
at the end of the day, when they're ranked seventy
eight in the country, it's not happening. So let's have
it where it's much more of the teams that are
more similar and you have the opportunity of winning the
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College Football League national champion and then you can still
have say an FB of the teams that are maybe
don't want to invest the financial side because maybe there's
an entro fee to enter into this and be in
that upper echelon the highest tier of college football. I
think there's something to be said because I know college
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football as much as we don't want it to be
like the NFL, because it is unique. You do have
the communities, you do have you know, the loyalties of
a school, and you know the alumni bases all of that,
and it is special, and we can keep it that way.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Two things can be true at the same time, I
have a better model and still keep tradition. Exactly, you
don't have to say that this is the NFL light. No,
just all I'm saying is just the structure of it.
We're already there. We've got revenue sharing that's happening. We're
eventually going to have collective bargaining. I don't care what
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anybody says, that is happening, because that's the only safe
way to get out of the legal entrapments that are
that we're continuing to see. So there is that side
of it. Let me know your thoughts though, eight six
four two four zero five four eight zero. Again that
numbers eight six four two four zero five four eight zero?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
And your is your team? Are they out there? Should
they claim a national champion?
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You hey, let us know because maybe Clemson back in
nineteen hundred Clemson what's six?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And oh you know, hey.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Can we can Clemson claim a national championship back then?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Nineteen forty eight? Eleven? And oh why not?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Did they beat Princeton?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yes, did not play Princeton, So there you go. But Princeton,
we do know, as the top team in.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
All of college football was twenty eight national championships. Much
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A little bit overcast today, it's still a little humid
out there, lower temperatures. So yes, football week, Oh yeah,
it's here. Iowa stayed in Kansas State at noon. Over
in Ireland. They will get things kicked off on Saturday,
and then the following weekend. That's when everybody's going to
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be very excited because we will truly have the beginning
of college football. And don't forget that Friday night Georgia
Tech and Colorado. That's going to be very interesting game.
I'm interested to see how Georgia Tech is.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Going to be.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I do think they're going to be much better than
people anticipate, even though Brent Key has come out and
has said his team's not even close to being ready.
We're terrible. Basically I'm paraphrasing here. And so how much
does that as coach speak? Yeah, trying to motive other people.
I mean, as you know, Darren, you're former coach. I mean,
it's one of the things that I don't know. It's
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almost like default with sandbag a little bit. Yeah, and
try to make sure that these guys aren't believing too
much in themselves.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Yeah, there's no coach has ever satisfied him, and there's
always something you could have just one by thirty and
there's well, you know, we.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Didn't do we didn't do this.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, now that that's that's a that's a that's a
that's an easy one to get in between and figure
out in between the lines.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Like you definitely have to read in between the lines,
and lou Holtz was one of the best to being
able to do that. And I know South Carolina fans
remember that, and even Steve Spurrier to a certain degree,
he would say the same thing in Dean Smith in
North Carolina also, and I'm like, come on, Dean, are
you serious. I mean, you've got three All Americans on
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your team. I think you'll you'll be okay and h so,
but it is part of coach speak and that is
just part of it. But here's the list of the
most claimed national championships. Now, Princeton, as we mentioned, with
twenty eight, Yale with twenty seven, Alabama with eighteen, Michigan
with twelve, Notre Dame and Southern cow with eleven, Auburn,
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Ohio State, and pitt the pit Panthers with nine, Harvard, Minnesota, Penn,
UPenn and Oklahoma with seven.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
And then you've got.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Tennessee and Michigan State with six. Michigan State is definitely
one that I would be scratching my head. Michigan State, Yeah,
with six, I mean I need to look in data
a little bit more. Yeah, because that is a little
bit bizarre. Princeton, Yale, the Ivy League schools. Remember that's
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where college football started. Yeah, Okay, so they've been playing
a long long time, so that's a little bit more,
I guess understanding. Yeah, but some of these other ones,
come on, I'm just not buying it. But you can
join the conversation eight six four two four zero five
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Healt line right now, the Richmond Weavers show.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Who's this?
Speaker 7 (23:16):
God On rich How are you Bud doing?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Fantastic?
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Neil?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
How about you, sir?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Well, let me first apologize about my call yesterday. My
wife had given me something about forty five minutes. Thank god,
it wasn't an hour and a half after she gave
it to me, but I was a little fact that
you missed out on having a little fun with me.
I was laughing. I thought Richmond was laughing a little bit.
So I wanted to talk about college football playoffs. I
was wanting to get in on it yesterday, and I forgot,
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you know, obviously because of my situation, let's put it
that way. But first I had someone who asked me this,
and I wanted to say it on the air because
I get asked this a lot, and it is because
a lot of people hear me in there, like Neils
full of crap. You know, he has all this sports knowledge,
but he always you know, back and forth. So I
had someone ask me, rich who do I honestly think,
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if I took the bias out of it, who do
I honestly think are the top the best quarterbacks of
all time? So I made you a little less rich
And I know everybody's going to cremate me for this,
but I'm just being my honest I'm just giving my
honest opinion of what I've seen on the field. This
has nothing to do with what they've accomplished. This is
just who I think are the greatest quarterbacks of all time,
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when it comes to the position, when it comes to
throwing the ball, when it comes to getting first downs.
So I'm going to give you my top seven and
then I'm going to give you my two most overrated guys,
if that's okay, and then we'll talk college football playoffs.
At number seven, I have Matthew Stafford. I know people
are going to be like, are you serious right now,
Matthew Stafford? Really, if you go back, there's one thing
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that you can't control when you play quarterback. First of
there's a bunch of things you can't control, but one
of the things you can't control your defense. You can't
control your offensive line, you can't control if you have
a good run game. You can't control who you're throwing
the ball to. I go by what I've seen on
the field. I go by a guy's arm strength. I
go by what the guy has done in clutch. I
go by what the teams have looked like around him.
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If you put Matthew Stafford on some of those late
forty nine ers teams, they're gonna win the Super Bowl too,
because the guy makes good decisions. He's got a hell
of a strong arm. Top five or six of all
time still playing at this level at this age, even
though he's been for a lot of injuries or whatnot.
If you go back to his Detroit days, the only
reason they didn't win anything back then, I had nothing
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to do with him. All you got to do is
go And this is the most important factor for me. Now,
everybody's going to judge quarterbacks differently, okay, but if you
go to the playoffs, what I care about the most
is touchdown to interception ratio. If you turn the ball over,
you're gonna lose. If you don't, you're going to have
a chance to win. So I put Matthew Stafford at
number seven. Number six is John Elway. I'm not going
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to give any reasons other than the fact that I've
and these are only guys that I've seen rich. So
I'm going to be fifty next year. You are a
little bit older than I. Billy's a little bit older
than I. These are just guys that I've seen played myself.
I'm not going to go back to the Johnny United
States things like that. Okay, John that Way, It's just
what I saw on the field. I saw him take
teams that should not be in the Super Bowl to
the Super Bowl, so I have to put him at
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number six. Also, I saw him do some supid things,
kind of like Josh Allen, so that's why he's not higher.
Number five is Drew Brees. If you give Drew Brees
tom Brady's body, I think Drew Brees would have been
the greatest quarterback of all time. To me, and this
includes Joe Montana, who is considered probably the best quarterback
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of all time when it comes to going through progressions,
I think Drew Brees is the best. I think Drew
Brees with the teams they put it around that man.
I think he did everything in his power to keep
his teams in the games, and I think it all
came down to his smarts, his football IQ and I
think he has the best progression quarterback of all time.
I don't think it's close, and that's including Tom Brady,
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and that's including Joe Montana. And I love Joe Montana,
but I think it's Drew Brees. So I have him
at number four. That said number four, number okay, number four.
This is where everybody's gonna start killing me. Tom Brady,
I didn't say anything about his accomplishments going to ten
Super Bowls and winning seven. However, this is what drives
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me crazy. Rich. This is not towards you, This was
not towards fiveco. This is not towards anybody that calls
this show. But this is just towards the general public.
They will say, to great Tom Brady's the greatest quarterback
of all time, and then they will also not give
Bill Russell any credit at all about winning eleven out
of thirteen championships, two in the University of San Francisco.
Oh well, he had a time. It was back in
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a different area. It was this. Well, you can make
every argument against Tom Brady. They played in one of
the worst divisions in all of football. Every year, they
got to host games every year in Foxborough where it's
literally negative twenty degrees outside during the winter time. Nobody
can go there and win because your first of all,
you're playing on the road. Second of all, it's cold.
You're not used to that. If you go back and
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look at what Tom Brady did in the playoffs on
the road, it was not impress it at all. It
just wasn't. People can say what they want, oh, well
he went to Tampa and won a Super Bowl. There's
a reason why Tom Brady went to Tampa because the
team was loaded. You could see it with Jameis Winston
the year before thirty and thirty. There's a reason why
he picked Tampa. He was only going to pick three
or four teams because he knew those teams had Super
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Bowl aspirations. They were that good. They also had a
dominant defensive line. You couldn't run the ball against them.
And I know I'm going to get some mashed for that,
but I'm just giving my honest opinion here. Number three
Joe Montana. And you're like, wait, Joe Montana is not
number one. He is not because Joe Montana's later years
he put up some ridiculous numbers. But the forty nine
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ers back then were unbelievably dominant. I mean, you could
make the argument that a nine San Francisco team was
maybe the greatest team in NFL history. And it's hard
to argue because when they went and beat Denver with
fifty five to ten, it wasn't that close. I mean,
they could have literally won that game by seventy points
that had they wanted to. They didn't want to. Obviously,
you take your foot off the gas. But to me,
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he Joe Montana is also a product of the team
around him. I think he was a great quarterback. Don't
get me wrong what he did later on in the
years in the playoffs. You know, back then, nobody heard
of anybody doing like throwing two and a half touchdowns
every interception in the playoffs. He did it or close
to it. But I still think it had a lot
to do with Bill Walsh. I think it had a
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lot to do with the West Coast offense that nobody
had ever seen. And I think it had a lot
to do with the offense and the team around him,
even the defense. You know, they were always getting the
ball back. Three. Now here comes the offense again, number two,
and this is where he is. Joe Montana and Tom
Brady's third and fourth. Who the hell is all right?
Numbers here? Aaron Rodgers. Okay, look, people can say whatever
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the hell they want about Aaron Rodgers, but I've seen
it with my own eyes, his touchdown to interception ratio.
I don't care what he should have ran into the
end zone against Tampa Bay. You could say that about
every player every game. He should have done this or
should have done that, but they didn't. That's just kind
of the way it flows. You know, it's easy for
us to sit back to never played the quarterback position
and so only should have. Aaron Rodgers has done things
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that I still don't think I will ever see again
as long as I live. And what do I got
thirty years left? Some of the throws that he has
made on the run, I mean just going from one
sideline to the other and just throwing it on the dime.
You just can't teach that. And the only reason that
I have in number two is because Patrick Mahomes has
done it also, but he has also done other things.
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Obviously winning multiple Super Bowls. One of the things that
Patrick Mahomes and obviously he's my number one, that gets
so so overlooked. And I've seen it in two Super
Bowls with my own forty nine er eyes, and I've
seen it in four of them with other people's eyes.
When it's third down, the dude just knows how to
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pick up first downs, even if it's with his legs.
It drives me nuts. He does it in the regular season,
he does it in the postseason, and he also makes
all the throws. He is the closest that I've ever
seen to Aaron Rodgers on making some of those throws.
But the reason that I calipuled to him past Aaron
Rodgers is because simply he makes throws that you don't
even see on video games, where there is no angle
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to throw the ball, and he finds an angle and
he picks up the first down, or because he picks
up first downs with his legs and he extends plays,
something that Aaron Rodgers has done, just not nearly as
good as Patrick Mahomes. So before we talk about college football, obviously,
that's what I said. Yes, get your take on that,
because I am trying to give my honest opinion and
I'm talking about I'm not talking about the most accomplished player. Okay,
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I know Lebron James is the greatest, is the greatest
basketball player of all time. He is not the most accomplished.
Michael Jordan is the most accomplished. Bill Russell is the
most accomplished. Michael Jordan's also my greatest player of all
time just because he did it on the court. He
accomplished it, and he won. Lebron James has the most talent, hold.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
On, hold on down, Neil Neil, Neil Neil.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, take a breath, all right, because I do have
to hit this break. We'll break this list down in
just a minute after the break, But give me your
thoughts on college football playoff.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Give me you got forty five seconds.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Brother, Okay. I am one of the few people who
do not like that in all these teams. I do
appreciate more football. Anytime you get more football, it's a
good thing. But just like going back when Clemson lost
to Pittsburgh at home, they made it, and I told
Billy they make it, they're going to win it. They did.
Just like last year Ohio State lost at home to Michigan.
If they make it, they'll probably win it. I still
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think Texas was better than them. I think they all
played them. They just had turnovers and stoop the mistakes
that stupid times. I think it kind of waters down
the regular season, and I just don't like that. I
know the NFL is their model, and you can't go
wrong when you model after the NFL. I just I
just ain't crazy about twelve teams. I think they should
have kept it either six or eight and kept it
there forever and we'd have been good. But anyways, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Rich, yes, sir, thank you, Neal.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
We appreciate it, and sorry I had to hit this break,
but I do like the list. But I've got some
comments about the list, and some of my thoughts come
in up after the break. Much more of the Richmond
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zero five four eight zero And let's.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Head out to the Engles hot line right now, the
Richard Weaver Show. Who's this.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
Rich there? And what's going on? Fellas?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
What's happening? Chad the Bending King? How are you, sir?
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Man? I just I want to call in rich I
gotta apologize, Man, I sold Neil that bag of stuff
he's smoking. Man, I mean I told him he was
strong and take it easy, but he didn't listen. Man,
he's called in here giving this crazy list. Man, how
in the world you ain't gonna put Marino and Peyton
(34:42):
Manning on the list and not put Montana number one?
And why you got Drew Brees and Stafford on there,
I don't know. And Jordan is absolutely the gold over
o'bron James. He gonna just smoke half of it or something.
He got it all wrong there.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yes, So are you saying he got it from the
vending machine because I didn't know you had that type
of stuff in the vending.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Machine there, Chad, Well, a little little water.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Exactly.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
But we can't talk about it much, that's right.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yes, we have to be very discreet and just to
let everybody know, all you law enforcement authorities out there,
we are obviously being sarcastic and we are joking.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
So who do you have your number one quarterback?
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Then I'm going I'm going for the joke.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yes, So, Chad, who do you have is your number
one quarterback? Did you say it was Joe.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Lontana? Absolutely all day long ago Montana. Now I might
get Brady number two, but Montana's he's a man.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yes, I completely understand. There's something to be said about
cool Joe. Yes, I saw him break a lot of hearts,
including mine as a Dallas Cowboys fan, as a kid.
I can promise you that, So there is something to
be said about that. But Chad, we appreciate the phone call.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
My friend, Hi rich Man, we just want to get
me a little hard time.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yes, we'll thank you, sir. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yes, And of course it is fun banter to have
fun with the listeners, the investors calling into the show.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
It's part of our community. This is Weaverville.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
This is it, this is We're going to start saying
it's Weaverville. Come join Weaverville. Jump in the show again.
Eight six four two four zero five four eight zero.
All right, So I do have just a few thoughts
about that list before we hit some of the headlines here.
So again I do agree with what Chad said that, Yeah,
(36:54):
I mean Dan Marino has to be up there, Peyton
Manning has to be part of the list if you're
looking at certain criteria.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
And that's where with Neil's list.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Not that I have anything necessarily wrong, because it is
still subjective.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I totally get that.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
But you do have to at some point take into
consideration accomplishments. And I know, you can be the most
accurate passer, you can have the best TD'D interception ratio,
you know, all of those things. You can have the
best physical physique, all of that, but at the end
of the day, there is something about winning, right, And
(37:33):
I know it's still a team sport, so it's hard
to you know, be able to delineate exactly how much
was on that quarterback versus how much the team, how
much the defense. Yes, there's so many factors that go
into it, and that's why we love having these debates.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
That's that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That you have to be able to try to view
it from different lenses of different perspectives. But when you're
you're getting seven super Bowls, when you have more Super
Bowls than some teams, just as an individual, and you
do it in two different places. There is something that
seems to be about Tom Brady that he is It
(38:18):
transcends just some other quarterbacks because he's been able to
do it and for such a long time. Right also now, again,
I know he got some help. I get it, But
you could even go back to Michael Jordan, who I
do think is the goat.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
It's not even close.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I'm reading a biography about Michael Jordan right now and
I'm learning stuff that I didn't even know. And I
am a Jordan you know.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Whatever I mean. I am.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yes, I'm deep into Michael Jordan in terms of knowledge,
and you know, followed him for a long time. But
it's just fascinating what how he came along in a
period of time in American culture and society and it
just seemed to be lightning in a bottle, you know.
So there is something you know, to be said about that,
(39:11):
but he transcended. And that's where I think Tom Brady
to a certain degree transcends some of these other quarterbacks
because of the accomplishments. But Michael Jordan he had help
from other players, right, I mean he had Remember he
had some good teams. Oh yeah, some guys that you know,
top seventy five type of NBA players, you know, and
(39:33):
Hall of famers, those type of individuals, and even like
a Bill Russell. The Celtics teams were loaded, you know.
So I know, yes, he won eleven championships, I understand that,
and he won two at San Francisco, But that doesn't
mean he won them all by himself, and that you
have to be careful that you can't say never and
(39:54):
always or he didn't get any recognition. No, he gets
a lot of recognition for or what he has accomplished.
Maybe not the same to a certain degree because it
was different back in the day. Just like if we're
looking at Princeton, are we going to say that Princeton
is you know, how they're claiming national championships back then?
(40:16):
Could we say that? It's so subjective? So you still
have to take some of the accomplishments into the equation. Now,
I know I've been long winded here.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
No, I mean I completely agree. I think at the
end of the day, championships matter. I mean, that's what
everybody in theory says that they play for, right, and
that matters how many championships you've won. Now, I do
think the quarterback position is a little bit unique in that,
especially with football, you can't do it all yourself. Whereas
(40:49):
in basketball you get a couple good players, you can
be pretty darn competitive. Football, I do think is probably
the hardest for one guy to elevate a team, maybe
to a championship level team. But there's no doubt I
completely agree you have to look at accomplishments because that's
how we measure our best, and I think that's a
fair way to do it, right.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
And I mean, I think, to Neil's credit what he's
trying to say, if you're looking at it from a
pure just quarterback standpoint, if you're just looking at stats,
then sure maybe I could see where his list comes together.
But to both of y'all's point, I think at a
certain point you do look at accomplishments because at the
end of the day, I think that's what we're measuring
success on is did you make it to a championship?
(41:32):
Did you win that championship? Because if you didn't, then
you can be the greatest quarterback ever. But it just
that's just kind of where we are and how we
are as a society. We're looking at how many rings
you got?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah, that's right, well, and what is the criteria in
terms of accomplishments rcalls, wins and losses and championships. That
is an accomplishment. But also if you're the record holder
for the most passing already ever, yeah, you know, that's
an accomplishment in itself right there. And so Dan Marino
(42:02):
was one of those guys who accomplished a lot, right
from a statistical standpoint, and was also close to having
that one Super Bowl victory.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Right, And what you always say, stats don't always tell
the full right.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Exactly, They don't always do that. And so I admire
the list because hey, it's.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Your opinion, right, roll with it, well, and you could
build a top five out of anything and really wanted
a deep dives.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
And at the end of the day, it's hard, well, yeah,
to be able to come up with some of these
lists because a lot of times, I mean, it's minuscule
the difference. So even when you're saying, you know, Patrick
Mahomes versus Aaron Rodgers at one and two on Neil's
list right here. And then you know Patrick versus Joe
(42:48):
Montana one to three, so you're thinking, oh, one to three,
but it's razor thin in terms of the margin.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I think you know so many of the quarterback some
of these players, some of these lists.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I mean it can be abc D number one.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Well it is in like in his defense. I mean
there's only one I would for sure change that Stafford,
and I probably moved Breeze off that list. But I mean,
I'm sitting here looking this, and I kind of jotted
down eight other names I thought you could consider, and
I'm like, I don't know who I'm I don't know
who I'm.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Move and where what other names do you have on
that list?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
So I got Peyton Manning, who would for sure be
on my list. I my thing is probably moving Marino
and removing Breeze. But I can see the argument for Breeze.
I mean, especially what he did is a six foot quarterback. Yes,
that can't go on nose. But I got Manning, Marino.
You know, I think you can make an argument for
an Akman. You know, Brett Farv has not been mentioned,
(43:50):
like him or not? That's right, Steve Young had a
heck of a run, Yes he did. Jim Kelly was
pretty darn good. Yes, Terry Bradshaw won a lot of
Super Bowl with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yes, And look, say
what you want a bottom two? But man, you want
to talk about a guy that I would give the
football to in a big game in his prime?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Ben Roethlisberger, Big Ben? Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Roger Stallback is another guy that I would put, you know,
on that list as far as somebody that I saw
play right, you know. So again, I do like what
Neil was talking about. At least it's people that I
have witnessed, I got to experience, and I think that's
part of it too, being able to develop your list
based on that. I can tell you a guy who's
probably not going to be on the list, and that
(44:35):
is Anthony Richardson of the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
We'll talk about that and much more as we continue
this Tuesday edition of The Richmond Weavers Show presented by
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Happens and we also have a lot of preview shows coming, up,
SEGMENTS i should, say over the next week and a
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Vending Machines, so hunter thank you for texting. In there and.
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