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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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advantage that we have from that standpoint. And I know
there's one thing I talked about it going to see
the movie F one. Yeah, and all the commercials right, okay, Yeah,
I was very frustrated about that. Yeah, and I've talked
to several people too. Is that Yes, we love the
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reserve seating, yeah, okay, so that is very nice. But
is the trade off of the reserve seating now that
you have to deal with all of the commercials right now,
The beautiful thing about the reserve seating is that you
don't have to get there so early exactly the movie
theater to get a good spot, you know, from that standpoint,
but there's still there's got to be a better balance.
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And that's where I'm also viewing podcasts because I remember
when podcasts first started, I mean, there was no commercials.
Oh yeah, you know, And now yes, we do know
that commercials are part of it. And that's helps have
the opportunity of having some of these free platforms like
the iHeart radio app. But I would have to say
iHeart does a good job in my opinion based on
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some other platforms of not having a commercial embedded in
your podcast like every three minutes.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Some of them are some of them are.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Bad, they really are, and some of them are using
different technologies to just interject a commercial in there, and
you're like, well, wait a second, they didn't even finish
their thought and there's a commercial that's going in there.
So that's one of the things that I do like
about the opportunity on the podcast Exclusive Hour that we
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just an opportunity for us to really dive a little
bit deeper into some more content, and especially knowing that
we've got the talking season is really about to start.
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I know the Big Twelve had their media day this
past week, but it's the Big Twelve. And I'm not
saying anything bad about the Big Twelve, but they don't
have the bravado that the other conferences have. They just don't.
And you know, Trey, I am not mister Trey Falco
that is behind the board and behind the mic as always,
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I'm not the guy that is all about propping up
one conference over the other, you know, I'm all about, Hey,
every conference is built the same, they really are. Yeah,
you have your elite teams in the conference, then you
have your average mediocre teams and then you have your
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bottom dwellers. Sure it happens in every single conference. Now
you might be able to say one conference based on
their makeup, maybe they have one or two extra teams
that are in that elite status, right, whatever it might be,
But they're all shaped the same. It's a bell curve, exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And that's we've got to be used to that. I mean,
we've got to be okay with that.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Well, and I think, as you say all the time
on the show, two things can be true at the
same time.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Then you can have the bell curve and.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Also understand the fact that, yeah, some conferences just have
a bigger draws.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Just how it is.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It is. Yes, that is the reality of it. And
some of that has to do with players. Some of
that has to do with coaches. Remember the SEC loaded
with some elite coaches. Oh your time, when you've got
a Nick Saban, you're inherently already going to get much
more attention. Yeah, they're winning as to get a championship
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at Alabama. Yeah, So you have those type of entities
that inherently are going to draw more attention. Star power,
we know it exactly. We know how that works. So
that's what I'm saying. The Big Twelve doesn't have really
the star power, right, and especially when we saw last
year he had an Arizona State that was a new
member of the Big Twelve. And they're picked by the
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media to finish last in the Big Twelve, right, and
they're the team that represents the Big Twelve in the
College Football playoff script. Yeah, exactly so, but they're not
the star power team like some of these other teams
in other conferences are. But they're all built the same.
But talking season is here, we know because Monday is
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SEC Media Day. That's when it's kicking off down in Atlanta,
and I know at eleven forty five, I know exactly
where I'm going to be because Shaneiember is going to
be taking the podium and I'm going to be there
in attendance. But also I know that South Carolina that morning,
they're going to have access to just South Carolina media.
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Ooh okay, so it's pretty exclusive that I'm excited to
be able to actually be in the room with Shane
Beemer and the players that are there and have an
opportunity of asking specific questions that's there. Yeah, so I'm
excited about that. Steve Fink down there at South Carolina,
I think is doing a really good job of trying
to make sure that local media that is covering South
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Carolina Gamecock football right has the opportunity before the whole
national media gets a hold of Shane Beemer that's South Carolina. Yeah,
so I think there's something you know about the loyalty side,
and yeah, it just brings it, you know, back home
to the state of South Carolina. We've talked about how
important it is that at least from my vantage point,
that South Carolina and Clemson are good and knowing that
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this talking season and we're starting to really now start
diving into what it means for success for both of
these programs, what the expectations are. And we know both
programs have elite level quarterbacks. And I would have to
say Kate Klubnick has a he has a what's the
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word I'm looking for. I guess his resume is bigger
just because he's played more games, right, he has more tenure,
he has more tenure, But Leonora Sellers does he have
more of that? What some people are going to be
calling the upside, right, is his ceiling higher because he's
only been a starter for one full year for South Carolina. Yeah,
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led them to a ninety four season, led them to
the upset there in Death Valley last year, and was
a one man wrecking machine on that Clemson defense. They
couldn't stop him now, And that was the thing. He
only threw for over one hundred and sixty yards, but
he rushed for over one hundred and sixty yards. Yeah,
So I mean it was a true dual threat type
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of thing. But it wasn't like he threw four hundred
and fifty yards or anything like that. But I think
it was actually more frustrating for Clemson fans, more frustrating
for Clemson players on that defensive side, because it's one
thing if you're airing the ball out right and I
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and you know, you throw for four hundred and fifty yards,
you throw for four touchdowns or whatever. But I think
it's even more demoralizing when you have a guy and
you can't tackle him at all at all. Oh, it's
rough third and seventeen and you've got him sacked in
the backfield and somehow right then he gets twenty two
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yards and it's the first sound he's a magician in
the pot exactly, yes, and he showed that in that game.
So there's all this hype around both of these players.
And again, Kate Klubnick's got more of a resume because
to your point, he's been playing longer. But I think
there's more anticipation right now in terms of Leonora Sellers.
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Could his ceiling be higher? And especially you know he's
still a young guy. Right So, knowing that both of
them are legitimate Heisman Trophy candidates, oh right now, now
there's no doubt because this is not like a huge
well there is. There is a lot of good quarterbacks.
Don't get me wrong. Let me let me backtrack on that.
It's heavy draft. It is a heavy draft. Yes, you're right,
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so there will be a lot of attention on quarterbacks,
no question. So I'm looking at it though. Here in
twenty twenty five, you've got Kate Clebnick, you've got Leonora Sellers,
and both of these quarterbacks here in the Palmeadow State.
But I wonder who has more to prove in twenty
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twenty five, who has the bigger chip on their shoulder.
That's a good question. And I know, remember Kate Clubnick
he laid Clemson to the ACC championship last year playoff
birth in the College Football Playoff, threw for almost thirty
seven hundred yards, thirty six touchdowns, only six interceptions. It's
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pretty good. Yeah, it's good. Four hundred and sixty three
rushing yards and seven touchdowns on the ground. So there's
no doubt he's a Heisman Trophy candidate right here. In
twenty twenty five, now, for Leonora Sellers led South Carolina
to that eight and three regular season, nine and four
overall record and or excuse me, yes, nine and four record.
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There twenty six hundred passing yards, twenty two touchdowns. But
a big one was that upset over Clemson. Oh yeah,
in Death Valley seventeen to fourteen. And that was a
significant win for South Carolina. And now the expectations, the
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pressure of those expectations, and that's why I'm wondering for
k Klubnick. He's a senior, right expected to lead Clemson
to a national title. So there is that because you
made it just that, yes, because you won the accright,
you made it to the College Football Playoff. And he
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formed significantly well in that game against Texas because remember
Texas had the number one pass defense in the country
going into that game, and he was lighting them up.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
It's just that Clemson couldn't stop Texas's rushing attack, which was.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Odd because their defense has always been kind of a
strong point, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yes it was. Roles were reversed all of a sudden,
and so we do know that. And also he is
a potential first round pick. And I think there's you know,
some questions maybe his arm strength, his deep ball consistency,
you know, can he put it in those tight windows
as well? And did sellers outplay him in that game
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the Palmetto Bowl, whatever you want to call it, right,
you know, and kde club Nick throwing game, losing interception
is what Clemson fans would say it.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
You know, But.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
How much does he need to flip the script in
twenty twenty five? You know, how much pressure is he
under to perform knowing that he's also he's got loaded
roster this year, the wide receivers, they're coming back, they're
even better. Had some addition, Dabosweeney went to the transfer portal.
So there's all that excitement, and we can say, I
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get it that people are going to look at it.
Oh and it's the ACC, right, it's not the SEC,
so you use it exactly, so you better go out
there and win because it's the ACC. I had no excuses,
no excuses. So how much pressure is Kate club Nick under?
Speaker 4 (12:37):
You know, I might have a little bit of a
different take on this than you. I don't know that
I because the question is who is under more pressure?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yes, I almost feel like it's not necessarily about who's
under more pressure, but more so the kind of pressure
that they're under. And for Kid club Nick, I see
a lot of like you said, oh, you're in the ACC,
you better go take it. You gotta take care of it.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You've got to win.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Yes, he's also a senior, he's got the tenure, he's
played for a while. You expect him to do good
things because it's like, Okay, you've been here, you should
have figured it out.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You need to figure it. That's right now.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And there's a lot of pressure on him too.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
From I feel like a fan perspective and a national
perspective that I'll come on, this is Clemson. Look what
they did they Look what they've they've done in the past,
taking the clemsoning out of it, what they've done in
recent history, is like, well, look at the Natties.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Look what they've done.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
This is a This is a team and an organization,
a university if you will, that prides itself on, Hey,
we win championships under Dabo swinning.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That's what we do. That's right.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
So I think there is a tremendous amount of pressure
there for Cad Klubnick from the top down of a
media perspective of there's a certain shoe that he needs
to fit. He's got to be that prototypical Clemson quarterback
that's going to lead them to the national championship.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And that's just what they do.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And oh, by the way, you've got a loaded roster
and they're always good on defense. You're the nail in
the coffin that has to take them to the national championship.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
How many times do we say that for a team
to win, the most important piece we know is the quarterback. Oh,
of course for certain And so to your point, I
think that's why there is that pressure that you're talking about.
He's the exclamation point exactly. Yes, that's it, that quarterback position.
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He's got to be that guy because you've got the offense, right,
You've got everything you need. You've got defense theoretically on paper,
on paper, yes, exactly on paper. And that's that's the
other side we got to write sure to listen to
or to make sure that we acknowledge is that on
paper right, the sports of sports, right, anything can happen.
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And that's why I mean you look at it with
the Clemson South Carolina game last year. I mean, on paper,
Clemson should win that game. They should, Yeah, but it
doesn't always happen that way. And so there is definitely
I agree with you as the more we're talking about
the pressures because they're both under pressure, oh without a doubt,
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no doubt.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Potential first round picks, Like there's a lot of pressure
there from everywhere, no question.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So for Lenora Sellers before come back to kay club Nick,
you know again seeing what he did his red shirt
sophomore year, absolutely fantastic as first full season as a starter,
and I think there's the what ifs also, especially you know,
being banged up a little bit there and missing the
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second half of that LSU game, and that's a game
that South Carolina wins that game, then no, now you're
looking at ten and three season. Yeah, so now does
that put you in the College Football Playoff maybe, yeah,
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so is the some consistency that needs to happen. And
obviously there's the SEC pressure, right, I get it. I
know he's going he's going to face tougher defenses on
a weekly basis relatively compared to what CADE club nick
on the schedule. I get that. But remember Clemson opens
the season against LSU. Yeah, yes, and then South Carolina
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opens the season against an ACC school, right with Virginia Tech.
So I love how both Clemson has the bookends for
their season, start the season against an SEC school and
then finish the season against an SEC school, and then
South Carolina does just the opposite. They start with Virginia
Tech and the ACCO and then close out their bookend
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against Clemson. I would have to say that Clemson has
a harder route on that.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
If you're just looking at the two game.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, that's all. Yeah, because they're playing LSU. In South Carolina,
Virginia Tech is not at the same level as Clemson. No,
I'm sorry, it's just not you know, so you do
have to keep it in that perspective. But I do
think again with Leonora Sellers, that he's going to have
to be consistent and maintain that dual threat capability, yes,
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because he can't just become one dimensional, because that's what
makes him so dangerous.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yes, And that is what I talk about when I
talk about the different type of pressure that somebody, like
in the Lenora Sellers is in from a from like
a local perspective.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
And maybe maybe it's.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Just this kind of the mentality that we talked about
with South Carolina fans where Clemson fans were years ago
that like, oh, but what's going to happen? I almost
feel like South Carolina fans could be a little more
forgiving if the Lenora Sellers takes a little bit of
a step back because it's like, oh, maybe it's expected.
I don't know how much pressure he has from a
South Carolina fan perspective, Like obviously I know they want
to win, but there's also like this first year, this
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is going in the second year, there are expectations. But
the big pressure I see from Leonora Sellers is more
of a national perspective. And I also feel like it's
from a narrative perspective. And I say that because there's
a narrative that always comes out. We see it all
the time, especially going into the NFL. Oh, he can
run the ball, but can he throw it?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And throw it?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And that's what I think Lenora Sellers.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
The pressure is on him this year not only to
maintain consistency, but he's got to show that he can
throw the ball or he's going to be shoehorned and
stuck in that narrative for the rest of his career.
To see it with Justin Fields, you saw it with
Lamar Jackson, You saw Cam new Like, it doesn't matter
they're running backs.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
And as much as we talked about Kate Klubnick and
being able to deliver a ball in those tight windows, right,
there's more pressure for Leonora Sellers to be able to
showcase that, Yes, he has to be able to do that.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Especially because he is a one year quarterback and this
is his second year exactly bigger it is.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And you know, and I think there there could be
scenarios that are going to play out that now all
of these schools because we see it in the NFL.
I mean you talking about in the NFL, because they've
got it down to a science. You give the NFL
some tape, dude, and they will saw four slump. Yeah, exactly,
they will break it down and find every lit nuance
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that you have, and they'll try to exploit it. Oh, yes,
and so and so imagine some of that. Yes, So
I would imagine with the coaches that they have in
the SEC they're going to be dialed in and they're
going to be watching a lot of film on Lenora Sellers.
So he has to be able to take that next
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step right in this season. And I think even from
a team perspective, what you talked about too, is that
Clemson has national title aspirations or South Carolina, and this
is just based on where they are in their trajectory
of moving up. It's not national title or bust where
I think that's where Clemson is its national title from
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a perspective, yes, exactly. But for South Carolina, hey, just
get to the playoffs, yes, And that's a different type
of pressure of just getting to the playoff where Clemson
it's hey, that's just part of it, right.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
And I think that's what I mean when I say, like,
I think fans will be a little more lenient because
that is their expectations, just make it to the playoffs.
Where Clemson fans, man, you better make that national title
or you're done, like we don't get out.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Big time and by the next guy. And that's what
I'm wondering too, is just even from you know, the
rivalry standpoint, and again, how Sellers gained a lot of
confidence being able to beat Clemson in Clemson. Now it's
going to be you know, this game in November, November
twenty ninth at noon. Is is going to be there
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in Columbia. So depending on how the season goes, I mean,
we could have an epic type of match up there
with a lot of pressure. But also you have to
look at it from just an individual standpoint then leading
into the NFL Draft potential for both of these players, right,
Clubnick is a little more polished, we have to write
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that yes, exactly where Sellers has that raw potential. Yes,
And that's why you know, I think Club Nick he
needs to maintain what he did last year, yes, and
if he can elevate then that's even better. And part
of that is getting his team to a big, yep
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postseason run. But for Sellers, I think there's also he's
got to prove he's not a one hit wonder.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Uh huh, yep.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
He can't rely on just last year. Now he's got
to go do it again. Kate Clubnick has to do
it also, but Kate has just coming off of he
just did write some of that right by getting to
the a SEC Championship by also you know, getting to
the college football playoff. And I think it's embarrassing though too,
based on you look at some of the stats from
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the other quarterbacks that made it in the Heisman discussion
last year, they're no different than Kate club Nicks, and
he didn't get any attention hardly at all relative the Heisman.
And again, I'm not a big believer that the Heisman
is the end all be all. I think it's a
little bit of a joke. Popular it is, but it
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does signify something about your playing ability and also just
the publicity everything that goes around with it, with the
school all of that. So there is that, But I
do think Sellers has that scenario playing out where he
can't be in a situation where people are saying, well,
that was good last year, but this year and not
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so much. He's got to be able to show again
that he's not a one hit wonder.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
We just saw it this past draft with Jayala Milroe.
It was all Jayala Milroe oh.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
He's great.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And then he had that that you're at Alabama and
everybody's like, oh, oh, I figured him out. He's not
that great. And so a guy that went from I
mean I even saw Jayala Milroe to like the second round.
I don't think I ever saw him really slide into
the first round maybe early early mock draft project projections,
but I mean the Seahawks picked him.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Up what third fourth round?
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, I mean that type of season when you're going
into a draft can absolutely affect your draft stock and
where you get picked up and.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Buy what team, no question about it. And again it's
the spotlight that's going to be on both the Oh yeah,
we do know that, there's no question. And that's why,
you know, I think that Clemson, I mean that Kate
Klebnick at Clemson, he's got the bigger stage. Oh yeah,
Clemson's more nationally known. And that's just the reality of it.
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Right now, South Carolina is moving up the charts. I
think people are starting to take he They're starting to
notice South Carolina much more. And that's why I also
think that that plays well into Lenora Sellers and the
ability that he can be that underdog who can come
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still the show right in the SEC. Can you imagine
if it's South Carolina and they have an opportunity to
win an SEC championship, Oh, that's huge, massive.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Not just for him, but the whole or the whole.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Unity, absolutely massive. And so when you look at it
at the end of the day, based on the pressures,
they both are going to be under some pressure to perform.
It is different though, Kate Klubnicks is more on the
national level, national stage, trying to win a national championship,
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those type of things, where Leonora Sellers the first step.
But we do know it's not the SEC championship that
would be great, no doubt. They just need to get
to the College Football Playoff. But we do know you
go win the SEC championship. No, you're in, Yeah, you're
in automatic. So that's one way to solve it, right exactly. So, kay, Leonoris,
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if you you want to quiet all of the naysay,
just go win an SEC championship and that will that
will hush people, that'll make people believe in South Carolina,
make people believe in Leonora Sellers. And especially because we
know the narrative, Oh it was in the SEC.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I'm just gonna say you can't deny it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, that's right. Well it's acc but you go do
it in the sec it means more, it does, It
means more.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
The propaganda.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
We know it's coming and I've got to be in
the midst of it on Monday. Tray. Yeah, I'm going
to be in the midst of it on Monday down
in Atlanta. But I am excited about it because this
is again the beginning of the talking season and when
we can really start exploring some of these teams and
how it's going to play out in terms of looking
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at the potential. And that's what the summer is all about.
It's potentially. It's the hope. And we talk about it
to add nauseum. I know we do, but we do
it each and every year because that's what it is.
It's rinse and repeat. That's I mean, that's the beauty
of a cycle. It is the cycle. It's the cycle
of life. It's the how you know, the the sun
goes around I mean we go around the sun, I
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should say. Back in the day, that's believe. Yes, we
believe that the Sun went around the Earth, but we
do know it's the opposite of that. The Earth revolves
around the sun, and that's what it is. Yes, we
revolve around this time of year. Oh yeah, Hey, it's
time for talking season and I'm excited though also coming
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up in the fall, especially when we start getting into
football season, so we're gonna be doing a few things differently.
I haven't even told you this. There's a little bit
of breaking news here on the podcast. All right, yeah, exactly.
But obviously you know we have Eric McLane, yes, from
ESPN ACC Network, So we're going to continue our ACC
weekly segment with Eric McLane. But I'm working on having
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the counter balance to that with an SEC weekly segment, Yes,
with a guest. I've got a guest that I'm working on,
so I'm holding that under wraps right now until i
get that ironed out. But we're really going to dive
into much more content come fall game plus. Now we've
got the two hours, right, we're busting at the scenes
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
This Friday right here on one of four nine Fox
Sports Upstate. And also the iHeartRadio app, which you can
download through the app store or on Google Play, and
you can search one of four nine Fox Sports or
the Richmond Weavers Show and you can find us there
and listen whenever and wherever you want to. And that's
the beautiful thing about the iHeartRadio app. And obviously, as
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we talked about for the past couple of weeks, now
this extended version, the two hour version of the Richmond
Weaver Show, presented by our good friends at Ingles Markets,
and the first hour is podcast exclusive, so we get
to dive into a little bit more content that we
want to and then also maybe even do a few
things a little bit different. Oh yeah, we're not bound
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by a clock necessarily, and I think that's the biggest
advantage that we have from that standpoint. And I know
there's one thing I talked about it going to see
the movie F one. Yeah, and all the commercials right, okay, Yeah,
I was very frustrated about that. Yeah, and I've talked
to several people too. Is that Yes, we love the
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reserve seating, yeah, okay, so that is very nice. But
is the trade off of the reserve seating now that
you have to deal with all of the commercials right now,
The beautiful thing about the reserve seating is that you
don't have to get there so early exactly the movie
theater to get a good spot, you know, from that standpoint,
but there's still there's got to be a better balance.
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And that's where I'm also viewing podcasts because I remember
when podcasts first started, I mean, there was no commercials.
Oh yeah, you know, And now yes, we do know
that commercials are part of it. And that's helps have
the opportunity of having some of these free platforms like
the iHeart radio app. But I would have to say
iHeart does a good job in my opinion based on
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some other platforms of not having a commercial embedded in
your podcast like every three minutes.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Some of them are some of them are.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Bad, they really are, and some of them are using
different technologies to just interject a commercial in there, and
you're like, well, wait a second, they didn't even finish
their thought and there's a commercial that's going in there.
So that's one of the things that I do like
about the opportunity on the podcast Exclusive Hour that we
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can go through some content and not necessarily have to
worry about a clock to hit sponsors. We love sponsors,
don't get me wrong, We obviously do, but this is
just an opportunity for us to really dive a little
bit deeper into some more content, and especially knowing that
we've got the talking season is really about to start.
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I know the Big Twelve had their media day this
past week, but it's the Big Twelve. And I'm not
saying anything bad about the Big Twelve, but they don't
have the bravado that the other conferences have. They just don't.
And you know, Trey, I am not mister Trey Falco
that is behind the board and behind the mic as always,
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I'm not the guy that is all about propping up
one conference over the other, you know, I'm all about, Hey,
every conference is built the same, they really are. Yeah,
you have your elite teams in the conference, then you
have your average mediocre teams and then you have your
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bottom dwellers. Sure it happens in every single conference. Now
you might be able to say one conference based on
their makeup, maybe they have one or two extra teams
that are in that elite status, right, whatever it might be,
But they're all shaped the same. It's a bell curve, exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And that's we've got to be used to that. I mean,
we've got to be okay with that.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Well, and I think, as you say all the time
on the show, two things can be true at the
same time.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Then you can have the bell curve and.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Also understand the fact that, yeah, some conferences just have
a bigger draws.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Just how it is.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It is. Yes, that is the reality of it. And
some of that has to do with players. Some of
that has to do with coaches. Remember the SEC loaded
with some elite coaches. Oh your time, when you've got
a Nick Saban, you're inherently already going to get much
more attention. Yeah, they're winning as to get a championship
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at Alabama. Yeah, So you have those type of entities
that inherently are going to draw more attention. Star power,
we know it exactly. We know how that works. So
that's what I'm saying. The Big Twelve doesn't have really
the star power, right, and especially when we saw last
year he had an Arizona State that was a new
member of the Big Twelve. And they're picked by the
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media to finish last in the Big Twelve, right, and
they're the team that represents the Big Twelve in the
College Football playoff script. Yeah, exactly so, but they're not
the star power team like some of these other teams
in other conferences are. But they're all built the same.
But talking season is here, we know because Monday is
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SEC Media Day. That's when it's kicking off down in Atlanta,
and I know at eleven forty five, I know exactly
where I'm going to be because Shaneiember is going to
be taking the podium and I'm going to be there
in attendance. But also I know that South Carolina that morning,
they're going to have access to just South Carolina media.
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Ooh okay, so it's pretty exclusive that I'm excited to
be able to actually be in the room with Shane
Beemer and the players that are there and have an
opportunity of asking specific questions that's there. Yeah, so I'm
excited about that. Steve Fink down there at South Carolina,
I think is doing a really good job of trying
to make sure that local media that is covering South
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Carolina Gamecock football right has the opportunity before the whole
national media gets a hold of Shane Beemer that's South Carolina. Yeah,
so I think there's something you know about the loyalty side,
and yeah, it just brings it, you know, back home
to the state of South Carolina. We've talked about how
important it is that at least from my vantage point,
that South Carolina and Clemson are good and knowing that
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this talking season and we're starting to really now start
diving into what it means for success for both of
these programs, what the expectations are. And we know both
programs have elite level quarterbacks. And I would have to
say Kate Klubnick has a he has a what's the
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word I'm looking for. I guess his resume is bigger
just because he's played more games, right, he has more tenure,
he has more tenure, But Leonora Sellers does he have
more of that? What some people are going to be
calling the upside, right, is his ceiling higher because he's
only been a starter for one full year for South Carolina. Yeah,
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led them to a ninety four season, led them to
the upset there in Death Valley last year, and was
a one man wrecking machine on that Clemson defense. They
couldn't stop him now, And that was the thing. He
only threw for over one hundred and sixty yards, but
he rushed for over one hundred and sixty yards. Yeah,
So I mean it was a true dual threat type
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of thing. But it wasn't like he threw four hundred
and fifty yards or anything like that. But I think
it was actually more frustrating for Clemson fans, more frustrating
for Clemson players on that defensive side, because it's one
thing if you're airing the ball out right and I
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and you know, you throw for four hundred and fifty yards,
you throw for four touchdowns or whatever. But I think
it's even more demoralizing when you have a guy and
you can't tackle him at all at all. Oh, it's
rough third and seventeen and you've got him sacked in
the backfield and somehow right then he gets twenty two
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yards and it's the first sound he's a magician in
the pot exactly, yes, and he showed that in that game.
So there's all this hype around both of these players.
And again, Kate Klubnick's got more of a resume because
to your point, he's been playing longer. But I think
there's more anticipation right now in terms of Leonora Sellers.
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Could his ceiling be higher? And especially you know he's
still a young guy. Right So, knowing that both of
them are legitimate Heisman Trophy candidates, oh right now, now
there's no doubt because this is not like a huge
well there is. There is a lot of good quarterbacks.
Don't get me wrong. Let me let me backtrack on that.
It's heavy draft. It is a heavy draft. Yes, you're right,
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so there will be a lot of attention on quarterbacks,
no question. So I'm looking at it though. Here in
twenty twenty five, you've got Kate Clebnick, you've got Leonora Sellers,
and both of these quarterbacks here in the Palmeadow State.
But I wonder who has more to prove in twenty
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twenty five, who has the bigger chip on their shoulder.
That's a good question. And I know, remember Kate Clubnick
he laid Clemson to the ACC championship last year playoff
birth in the College Football Playoff, threw for almost thirty
seven hundred yards, thirty six touchdowns, only six interceptions. It's
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pretty good. Yeah, it's good. Four hundred and sixty three
rushing yards and seven touchdowns on the ground. So there's
no doubt he's a Heisman Trophy candidate right here. In
twenty twenty five, now, for Leonora Sellers led South Carolina
to that eight and three regular season, nine and four
overall record and or excuse me, yes, nine and four record.
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There twenty six hundred passing yards, twenty two touchdowns. But
a big one was that upset over Clemson. Oh yeah,
in Death Valley seventeen to fourteen. And that was a
significant win for South Carolina. And now the expectations, the
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pressure of those expectations, and that's why I'm wondering for
k Klubnick. He's a senior, right expected to lead Clemson
to a national title. So there is that because you
made it just that, yes, because you won the accright,
you made it to the College Football Playoff. And he
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formed significantly well in that game against Texas because remember
Texas had the number one pass defense in the country
going into that game, and he was lighting them up.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
It's just that Clemson couldn't stop Texas's rushing attack, which was.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Odd because their defense has always been kind of a
strong point, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yes it was. Roles were reversed all of a sudden,
and so we do know that. And also he is
a potential first round pick. And I think there's you know,
some questions maybe his arm strength, his deep ball consistency,
you know, can he put it in those tight windows
as well? And did sellers outplay him in that game
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the Palmetto Bowl, whatever you want to call it, right,
you know, and kde club Nick throwing game, losing interception
is what Clemson fans would say it.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
You know, But.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
How much does he need to flip the script in
twenty twenty five? You know, how much pressure is he
under to perform knowing that he's also he's got loaded
roster this year, the wide receivers, they're coming back, they're
even better. Had some addition, Dabosweeney went to the transfer portal.
So there's all that excitement, and we can say, I
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get it that people are going to look at it.
Oh and it's the ACC, right, it's not the SEC,
so you use it exactly, so you better go out
there and win because it's the ACC. I had no excuses,
no excuses. So how much pressure is Kate club Nick under?
Speaker 4 (12:37):
You know, I might have a little bit of a
different take on this than you. I don't know that
I because the question is who is under more pressure?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yes, I almost feel like it's not necessarily about who's
under more pressure, but more so the kind of pressure
that they're under. And for Kid club Nick, I see
a lot of like you said, oh, you're in the ACC,
you better go take it. You gotta take care of it.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You've got to win.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Yes, he's also a senior, he's got the tenure, he's
played for a while. You expect him to do good
things because it's like, Okay, you've been here, you should
have figured it out.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You need to figure it. That's right now.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And there's a lot of pressure on him too.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
From I feel like a fan perspective and a national
perspective that I'll come on, this is Clemson. Look what
they did they Look what they've they've done in the past,
taking the clemsoning out of it, what they've done in
recent history, is like, well, look at the Natties.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Look what they've done.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
This is a This is a team and an organization,
a university if you will, that prides itself on, Hey,
we win championships under Dabo swinning.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That's what we do. That's right.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
So I think there is a tremendous amount of pressure
there for Cad Klubnick from the top down of a
media perspective of there's a certain shoe that he needs
to fit. He's got to be that prototypical Clemson quarterback
that's going to lead them to the national championship.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And that's just what they do.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And oh, by the way, you've got a loaded roster
and they're always good on defense. You're the nail in
the coffin that has to take them to the national championship.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
How many times do we say that for a team
to win, the most important piece we know is the quarterback. Oh,
of course for certain And so to your point, I
think that's why there is that pressure that you're talking about.
He's the exclamation point exactly. Yes, that's it, that quarterback position.
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He's got to be that guy because you've got the offense, right,
You've got everything you need. You've got defense theoretically on paper,
on paper, yes, exactly on paper. And that's that's the
other side we got to write sure to listen to
or to make sure that we acknowledge is that on
paper right, the sports of sports, right, anything can happen.
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And that's why I mean you look at it with
the Clemson South Carolina game last year. I mean, on paper,
Clemson should win that game. They should, Yeah, but it
doesn't always happen that way. And so there is definitely
I agree with you as the more we're talking about
the pressures because they're both under pressure, oh without a doubt,
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no doubt.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Potential first round picks, Like there's a lot of pressure
there from everywhere, no question.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So for Lenora Sellers before come back to kay club Nick,
you know again seeing what he did his red shirt
sophomore year, absolutely fantastic as first full season as a starter,
and I think there's the what ifs also, especially you know,
being banged up a little bit there and missing the
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second half of that LSU game, and that's a game
that South Carolina wins that game, then no, now you're
looking at ten and three season. Yeah, so now does
that put you in the College Football Playoff maybe, yeah,
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so is the some consistency that needs to happen. And
obviously there's the SEC pressure, right, I get it. I
know he's going he's going to face tougher defenses on
a weekly basis relatively compared to what CADE club nick
on the schedule. I get that. But remember Clemson opens
the season against LSU. Yeah, yes, and then South Carolina
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opens the season against an ACC school, right with Virginia Tech.
So I love how both Clemson has the bookends for
their season, start the season against an SEC school and
then finish the season against an SEC school, and then
South Carolina does just the opposite. They start with Virginia
Tech and the ACCO and then close out their bookend
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against Clemson. I would have to say that Clemson has
a harder route on that.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
If you're just looking at the two game.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, that's all. Yeah, because they're playing LSU. In South Carolina,
Virginia Tech is not at the same level as Clemson. No,
I'm sorry, it's just not you know, so you do
have to keep it in that perspective. But I do
think again with Leonora Sellers, that he's going to have
to be consistent and maintain that dual threat capability, yes,
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because he can't just become one dimensional, because that's what
makes him so dangerous.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yes, And that is what I talk about when I
talk about the different type of pressure that somebody, like
in the Lenora Sellers is in from a from like
a local perspective.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
And maybe maybe it's.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Just this kind of the mentality that we talked about
with South Carolina fans where Clemson fans were years ago
that like, oh, but what's going to happen? I almost
feel like South Carolina fans could be a little more
forgiving if the Lenora Sellers takes a little bit of
a step back because it's like, oh, maybe it's expected.
I don't know how much pressure he has from a
South Carolina fan perspective, Like obviously I know they want
to win, but there's also like this first year, this
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is going in the second year, there are expectations. But
the big pressure I see from Leonora Sellers is more
of a national perspective. And I also feel like it's
from a narrative perspective. And I say that because there's
a narrative that always comes out. We see it all
the time, especially going into the NFL. Oh, he can
run the ball, but can he throw it?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And throw it?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And that's what I think Lenora Sellers.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
The pressure is on him this year not only to
maintain consistency, but he's got to show that he can
throw the ball or he's going to be shoehorned and
stuck in that narrative for the rest of his career.
To see it with Justin Fields, you saw it with
Lamar Jackson, You saw Cam new Like, it doesn't matter
they're running backs.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
And as much as we talked about Kate Klubnick and
being able to deliver a ball in those tight windows, right,
there's more pressure for Leonora Sellers to be able to
showcase that, Yes, he has to be able to do that.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Especially because he is a one year quarterback and this
is his second year exactly bigger it is.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And you know, and I think there there could be
scenarios that are going to play out that now all
of these schools because we see it in the NFL.
I mean you talking about in the NFL, because they've
got it down to a science. You give the NFL
some tape, dude, and they will saw four slump. Yeah, exactly,
they will break it down and find every lit nuance
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that you have, and they'll try to exploit it. Oh, yes,
and so and so imagine some of that. Yes, So
I would imagine with the coaches that they have in
the SEC they're going to be dialed in and they're
going to be watching a lot of film on Lenora Sellers.
So he has to be able to take that next
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step right in this season. And I think even from
a team perspective, what you talked about too, is that
Clemson has national title aspirations or South Carolina, and this
is just based on where they are in their trajectory
of moving up. It's not national title or bust where
I think that's where Clemson is its national title from
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a perspective, yes, exactly. But for South Carolina, hey, just
get to the playoffs, yes, And that's a different type
of pressure of just getting to the playoff where Clemson
it's hey, that's just part of it, right.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
And I think that's what I mean when I say, like,
I think fans will be a little more lenient because
that is their expectations, just make it to the playoffs.
Where Clemson fans, man, you better make that national title
or you're done, like we don't get out.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Big time and by the next guy. And that's what
I'm wondering too, is just even from you know, the
rivalry standpoint, and again, how Sellers gained a lot of
confidence being able to beat Clemson in Clemson. Now it's
going to be you know, this game in November, November
twenty ninth at noon. Is is going to be there
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in Columbia. So depending on how the season goes, I mean,
we could have an epic type of match up there
with a lot of pressure. But also you have to
look at it from just an individual standpoint then leading
into the NFL Draft potential for both of these players, right,
Clubnick is a little more polished, we have to write
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that yes, exactly where Sellers has that raw potential. Yes,
And that's why you know, I think Club Nick he
needs to maintain what he did last year, yes, and
if he can elevate then that's even better. And part
of that is getting his team to a big, yep
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postseason run. But for Sellers, I think there's also he's
got to prove he's not a one hit wonder.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Uh huh, yep.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
He can't rely on just last year. Now he's got
to go do it again. Kate Clubnick has to do
it also, but Kate has just coming off of he
just did write some of that right by getting to
the a SEC Championship by also you know, getting to
the college football playoff. And I think it's embarrassing though too,
based on you look at some of the stats from
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the other quarterbacks that made it in the Heisman discussion
last year, they're no different than Kate club Nicks, and
he didn't get any attention hardly at all relative the Heisman.
And again, I'm not a big believer that the Heisman
is the end all be all. I think it's a
little bit of a joke. Popular it is, but it
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does signify something about your playing ability and also just
the publicity everything that goes around with it, with the
school all of that. So there is that, But I
do think Sellers has that scenario playing out where he
can't be in a situation where people are saying, well,
that was good last year, but this year and not
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so much. He's got to be able to show again
that he's not a one hit wonder.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
We just saw it this past draft with Jayala Milroe.
It was all Jayala Milroe oh.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
He's great.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And then he had that that you're at Alabama and
everybody's like, oh, oh, I figured him out. He's not
that great. And so a guy that went from I
mean I even saw Jayala Milroe to like the second round.
I don't think I ever saw him really slide into
the first round maybe early early mock draft project projections,
but I mean the Seahawks picked him.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Up what third fourth round?
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, I mean that type of season when you're going
into a draft can absolutely affect your draft stock and
where you get picked up and.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Buy what team, no question about it. And again it's
the spotlight that's going to be on both the Oh yeah,
we do know that, there's no question. And that's why,
you know, I think that Clemson, I mean that Kate
Klebnick at Clemson, he's got the bigger stage. Oh yeah,
Clemson's more nationally known. And that's just the reality of it.
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Right now, South Carolina is moving up the charts. I
think people are starting to take he They're starting to
notice South Carolina much more. And that's why I also
think that that plays well into Lenora Sellers and the
ability that he can be that underdog who can come
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still the show right in the SEC. Can you imagine
if it's South Carolina and they have an opportunity to
win an SEC championship, Oh, that's huge, massive.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Not just for him, but the whole or the whole.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Unity, absolutely massive. And so when you look at it
at the end of the day, based on the pressures,
they both are going to be under some pressure to perform.
It is different though, Kate Klubnicks is more on the
national level, national stage, trying to win a national championship,
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those type of things, where Leonora Sellers the first step.
But we do know it's not the SEC championship that
would be great, no doubt. They just need to get
to the College Football Playoff. But we do know you
go win the SEC championship. No, you're in, Yeah, you're
in automatic. So that's one way to solve it, right exactly. So, kay, Leonoris,
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if you you want to quiet all of the naysay,
just go win an SEC championship and that will that
will hush people, that'll make people believe in South Carolina,
make people believe in Leonora Sellers. And especially because we
know the narrative, Oh it was in the SEC.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I'm just gonna say you can't deny it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, that's right. Well it's acc but you go do
it in the sec it means more, it does, It
means more.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
The propaganda.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
We know it's coming and I've got to be in
the midst of it on Monday. Tray. Yeah, I'm going
to be in the midst of it on Monday down
in Atlanta. But I am excited about it because this
is again the beginning of the talking season and when
we can really start exploring some of these teams and
how it's going to play out in terms of looking
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at the potential. And that's what the summer is all about.
It's potentially. It's the hope. And we talk about it
to add nauseum. I know we do, but we do
it each and every year because that's what it is.
It's rinse and repeat. That's I mean, that's the beauty
of a cycle. It is the cycle. It's the cycle
of life. It's the how you know, the the sun
goes around I mean we go around the sun, I
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should say. Back in the day, that's believe. Yes, we
believe that the Sun went around the Earth, but we
do know it's the opposite of that. The Earth revolves
around the sun, and that's what it is. Yes, we
revolve around this time of year. Oh yeah, Hey, it's
time for talking season and I'm excited though also coming
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up in the fall, especially when we start getting into
football season, so we're gonna be doing a few things differently.
I haven't even told you this. There's a little bit
of breaking news here on the podcast. All right, yeah, exactly.
But obviously you know we have Eric McLane, yes, from
ESPN ACC Network, So we're going to continue our ACC
weekly segment with Eric McLane. But I'm working on having
(26:55):
the counter balance to that with an SEC weekly segment, Yes,
with a guest. I've got a guest that I'm working on,
so I'm holding that under wraps right now until i
get that ironed out. But we're really going to dive
into much more content come fall game plus. Now we've
got the two hours, right, we're busting at the scenes
(27:16):
with just the one hour live show. I always want
you to listen to the live show as well each
week day from three to four pm on one to
four nine Fox Sports Upstate, and you can listen to
the podcast version also. And the beautiful thing is that
you'll have two hours of content there on the podcast version.
The first hour podcast exclusive, and then the second hour
(27:36):
is what we do live each weekday from three to
four pm. All right, we will actually take a little
break right here, and then we'll come back for hour
two as we will go live right after this
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.