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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Exploring the latest headlines and in depth conversations. It's the
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Right here on one O four nine Fox Sports Upstate,
the Thursday edition of the Richmond Weavers Show, presented by
our good friends at Ingles Markets. As we are out
in the community, we are actually down here at Group
Therapy getting ready to celebrate some festivities with iHeart Radio,
iHeartMedia and a lot of the partners that have been
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a part of this organization and been able to be involved,
and so we are excited to be down here at
Group Therapy. So yes, you can still come down here,
sneak in here and we'll say hello to you and
have some fun. Mister Trey Falco back in studio making
sure that we are out and about in terms of
on the air. So, mister Falco, I know again we've
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talked about it several different times. We need to get
you at some of these remote broadcasts at times absolutely
can be here. And so now knowing that we've had
intern Miguel Hernandez helping us out understanding the board. This
might be an opportunity where we able to remove some
of the training wheels for Miguel in a few weeks
and see if we can have you out in some
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of these remotes. I think that would be absolutely fantastic.
Must friend, Yeah, that'd be awesome. I'd love to be
down there. Yeah, And we obviously have a jam Pack
show today for you as part of the new programming
four hours of local programming right here at one O
four nine Fox Sports Upstate. Will be with you until
five PM and we'll hand things off to mister John
Ellison Game On and he will be with you for
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the rest of drive time until seven. So make sure
you stay tuned right here to one O four nine
Fox Sports Upstate. We have two guests today, so stay
tuned for that. Andrew Golf Course Architect, president of Green
Golf and Turf and Ah Green Design. He's going to
be with us in the next segment to talk about
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the restoration project that he led down at East Lake
Golf Club for the Tour Championship that's going to be
happening next week. Yes, we had Alex Urban, the executive
director of the Tour Championship right PGA Tour on yesterday,
So we're going to continue talk a little golf. And
I know, yes, it's football time, we know that, I
understand that, but this is an opportunity to talk some
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golf as we're getting ready to crown a champion on
the PGA Tour. So if we're getting close to crown
and a champion, yes, we've got to talk a little
bit more. And we've had Inrew Green on the show
before and he's a fantastic individual. And he's also involved
in a great project here in the Upstate a private
golf course, a brand new one that is being constructed
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Kowanu Golf Club that they broke ground back in April. Yeah,
and so we can get an update on that, but
also really understand what he was able to do restoring
a historic golf course down in Atlanta at East Lake
Golf Club. And as we talked with Alex Urban yesterday
again the executive director of the Tour Championship, the home
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of Bobby Jones where he learned how to play golf.
And we know that Bobby Jones is one of the
greatest golfers that we've seen, so just remember this is
an opportunity to again have some history. You know I'm
going to I'm a history guy. I want to talk
some history. I want to learn a little more. You
better believe it, Yes, I definitely do. But I did
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want to start with this though, because this just shows
you where we are in terms of how people are
excited right now, because we are getting closer and closer
to football, and I know every single day we consistently
talk about how close we are to college football and
the NFL, and it's great that we've got preseason games
that have now kicked off, and again, August twenty third
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is technically week zero for college football, what they're trying
to identify as the beginning of college football, so we're
even closer to that. We're only two saturdays away, and
we're going to have college football with Iowa State and
Kansas State kicking off there in Ireland and what they're
calling Farmageddon because Iowa State and both Kansas State are
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somewhat heavy on the ag side of things. But I
was down here earlier at Camperdown Plaza where Group Therapy is.
It's a fantastic venue down here, So again, come join us.
But I was down here earlier this morning with Megan
Haddelberg on Your Carolina doing a segment there. And now,
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as I was walking back to the studio this morning,
I was walking by the valet stand at the AC
Hotel right here at Camperdown Plaza, and the two valets
are out there and the banter going back and forth. Oh,
no way, the Chiefs aren't going to do it this year. No, no, no, no,
it's going to be the Eagles again. They're just too loaded.
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So gotta love it, as you gotta love that you
have that type of banter going on right now as
they're just hanging out. It's it's the water cooler type
of discussions going on that you have in the office.
And maybe you know, we don't have the same type
of office settings that we did thirty plus years ago,
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but still it doesn't matter. It's an opportunity to talk sports,
talk smack and your team versus your friends teams all
of that. And I just cracked up as I was
walking by, just knowing that Okay, oh it's here, it's here.
We're talking football like that, and so you know, people
are amped up for some football tray. Oh one percent.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I mean they are, I feel like around here at
least it's a kind of three hundred and sixty five
days and year type thing. But especially at this time,
and especially with the weather that we've been having, where
it's kind of dip down a little bit and you
get your fall fever and you kind of feel it
and football seems to be in the air. And that's
what we love about sports because it's kind of life, right.
You could talk about it wherever. It kind of brings
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everybody together. It doesn't matter if you cheer for the
same team. You have that kind of playful banter. It
doesn't matter if you're a Chiefs fan, an Eagles fan,
or if you don't have any skin in the game,
and maybe you're a Panthers fan. You know, it doesn't matter.
You can still talk about it and it still brings
people together.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Oh it does, and especially this time of the year,
because we have talked about this, and I know we've
probably harped on this, but it is the reality.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
This is that.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Time of year where everybody is undefeated. Right now, you
have that ability to again maybe not talk smack because
I know there's a lot of being cautiously optimistic, you
know from fan bases, and I would say, especially from
South Carolina fan bases, that hey, we don't want to
put the cart before the horse. You know, we're thirteenth
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in the country and both the AP and the Coach's poll,
and how much do the polls actually mean anything? And
we know right now it really doesn't matter. It's all
about being able to go out there and understand what
your team is because you really don't know, especially in
today's college athletics with a transfer portal. I mean happy
to question marks do some of these teams have. They
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all have a ton of question marks. Now you can
look at certain teams and maybe they have less question marks,
but there's a lot of teams that have significant question
marks because the roster is different. It's a different offensive
line and more importantly, a different quarterback, all of those
type of things, different coordinator. So you have all of
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those factors that are going into this part of the
season that still gives us that season of hope that
this can be the year that will have success as
a fan base, our team will make it. And I
can tell you, as Dallas Cowboys fans, we know what
that feels like because it seems like we're saying it, Oh,
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this is going to be the year. So at some
point we've got to try to speak it into exist.
But that's the beauty of this time of year, Tray,
is that we have that opportunity to feel good about
our team and we're not frustrated. We just have to
be cautious that we don't quickly make too many conclusions
off of some of the observations that we see early
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on with our teams. Oh one, as a you know,
you're a Dallas Cowboy fan.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
You're very optimistic Dallas Cowboy fan talking about not being frustrated,
and I feel like it's it's always something with Jerry Jones.
You always have to be frustrated as a Cowboy fan.
But to your point with the question marks, you know,
there are teams that have question marks, teams that have less.
But I think the biggest question mark for every single
team going into any season is what does it look
like on the field, Because we see a time and
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time again, you look at it on paper and you go,
oh man, all right, all right, this team they got
to figure out they got the quarterback. Even even to
South Carolina, you look at it, you like Okay, they
got this. They got the quarterback, that's the most important position.
You got a head coach in Shane Beemer. What are
we doing on defense?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
All right?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
You got some you got some transfers, you got some
people here. I don't know what that's going to look like,
but hopefully they'll hold water. Maybe kind of a mid,
middle of the pack type of defense. But the biggest
question is what if they hit the field and that
defense is better than we thought. What if that hit
the field and Leonora's sellers is not as good as
we thought. Because time and time again we see it
on paper and it never translates to the field.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And I think what we saw last year was South Carolina.
There is no question that people realized pretty quickly, oh wow, okay,
this defense is actually better than we had anticipated. And
they were a stack defense. And then you look at
Clemson on the flip side, where Clemson has historically had
those defensive lines, those middle linebackers. You know that even
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the secondary that would shut people down, and we didn't
see that. We saw them be able to get exposed,
especially on the run side of things. They couldn't stop
the run. And we saw that in the Louisville game,
Clempson got bullied, the South Carolina game, obviously we know
what happened there. And then the Texas game. Clemson had
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an opportunity to win that game if they'd just been
able to stop the run and some of the explosive
the big plays from the running game for Texas. And
so it was almost to a tale of two different
schools and two different teams, so to speak. And so
now it's the same thing heading into this season. So
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which teams will have some of those surprises on the
positive side and also unfortunately somewhat on the negative side,
And how it's going to look on the field, because
to your point, yes it can look great on paper,
but you just don't know until it's out on the field.
You can even look at what we've talked about Shoud
or Sanders, Okay, whatever you want to say, in terms
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of him being a fifth round pick and an early
indication it looks like the speed of the game, he
was okay with it in terms of transitioning to the NFL.
And then you look at Caleb Williams for the Chicago Bears.
It'd be interesting to see how he's going to be
And then as we heard at the top of the hour,
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Justin Herbert going to start for a preseason game. And
that's not a major headline other than the fact that
I think we have seen over the past several years,
and especially somebody like a Sean McVay who has really
been adamant that all my starters, they're not playing in
the preseason, right, there's no reason to so you have
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an old school coach like Jim Harball, So no my
quarterbacks getting out there, because I want to see what
he's like again here in this next season, how is
he developing, and especially somebody like a Justin Herbert, where
I think there's something to prove for Justin Herbert. He's
going to have to continue to play well and have
the Chargers. And we know Jim Harball is a hell
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of a coach. We've talked about it and what they
can do on the offensive side. But is it time
for Justin Herbert to take that next step for the Chargers.
I think it is.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's funny you say that because I feel like every
year there's this conversation surrounding Dak Prescott, what's he doing
in the postseason. There's this conversation about Lamar, playoff Lamar,
But it doesn't feel like there's as much of that
conversation about Justin Herbert. I feel like a lot of
the conversation about Justin Herbert is, oh, he's an elite quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And we know he is. He an elite quarterback, but
what's he done? That's right. The definition of elite you
have to at some point be able to showcase postseason
success exactly. So ye off success, yeah, wins, you have
to have that.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And based on that. So this is where I get
where I get a little bit lost there with the
whole Justin Herbert thing. I like Justin Herbert, but if
you're gonna call Justin Herbert elite quarterback and what has
he done in the postseason, why can't we look at
a Dak Prescott and go, oh, he's pretty elite quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
He's putting up numbers.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
It's just his postseason is abysmal.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, I think there's a big part of what we've
also seen though in some of the regular season games
with Dak Prescott, he hasn't performed and that's I think
the biggest issue against the inferior teams or five hundred teams. Yeah, yes,
Dak looks great that there's no doubt about it. But
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you're right, yes, there is something about Dak Prescott, and
yes he has played well and he's a serviceable quarterback.
There's no question about it. He has the Cowboys three
years in a row they were twelling and five now
I know one year he was injured and was crazy
that you had a revolving door as far as some
of the quarterbacks there that were able to come into
and contribute. But it's also it's the Dallas Cowboys. It's
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different than the La Chargers a little bit. Yeah, there's
higher expectations. We do know that there's something about that,
and that's something we're actually going to talk about coming
up later in the show because we did just get
the new information that was just released by Sportico the
most valuable NFL franchises, and I just wonder who is
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the number one valued franchise in the NFL. Hmm, let
me think about that. It might just be the team
that has been there for six straight seasons without a
whole lot of playoff success. So we're going to talk
about that. But coming up, we're gonna go inside the
Ropes again today because we have Andrew Green, president of
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Green Golf in turf Ah Green Design, as he's going
to join us to talk about the restoration project a
few years ago that he led at East Lake Golf
Club down in Atlanta. As the Tour Championship gets ready
to tee off next Thursday, as the PGA Tour is
getting ready to crown a champion here in twenty twenty five.
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All right, stick with us, We'll hit this brake and
Andrew Green will join us right after this the Thursday
edition of the Richmond Weavers Show presented by Ingles Markets.
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are going to continue doing that. And yes, we had
Alex Urban, the executive director of the Tour Championship on
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yesterday going inside the rope. So let's go inside the
ropes one more time.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
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Speaker 2 (15:55):
All right, it's our pleasure now to welcome back mister
Andrew Green, President and principal architect of A H. Green
Design and Green Golf and Turf. And Andrew, I feel
like at times when we've been able to text and
talk over the phone, it's almost like a where's Waldo
type of situation. So where's Andrew now?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Interesting to be idea, Yeah, I'm actually walking down the
tenth fairway at Kansas City Country Club. Let's go with Kansas.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Okay, now are you playing right now? Did we catch
you in the middle of a round?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah? No, quite a bit of Dirk to be playing golf,
even though Dirk golf is a is a great joy
because there's not as much need for score. But no,
I'm finishing off the site. Visit here, and it's it's
the golf course that nave us. Tom Watson, We're really
excited to be a part of it a really cool
old tilling Hast golf course and yeah, getting towards.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
The end, that's right, Yes, absolutely fantastic. So how much
do you travel in a given month for your job?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, I'm afraid to add it up, but typically Monday
through Thursday, Monday through Friday. It's it's pretty consistent usually
that is. Yeah, kind of a different city every every day.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, And when you're out traveling, what are the things
that you're focusing on when you're going to sites and
understanding you know, the topography, the landscape. You know, how
are you taking all of that in?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah, I mean it's it's boots on the ground. You're
getting out seeing what's happening, either reflecting on, you know,
an existing property that we're evaluating, or working through the
planning process and trying to visualize what the golf course
could be, or on a day like today, adjusting grassing
lines for where the fairway is going to end up,
getting ready for irrigation, you know, painting bunkers, looking at
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green contours. So it's it's a real hands on business.
But there's a number of different steps.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, So as you like to say, you know, getting dirty,
that's for certain you're there in the midst of it
for sure. Andrew Green is our guest here on this
Thursday edition of the Richmond Weavers Show, presented by Engles Markets.
He's the president and principal architect of AH Green Design,
Green Golf and Turf And obviously we've talked before, Andrew,
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and one of the things that we were able to
talk about is just the restoration project down at East Lake.
But I wanted to dive in a little bit more
about that as we're so close to the Tour Championship
next week they're in the historic golf course there in Atlanta,
and walk us through how it came about that you
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were selected to lead that restoration project a couple of
years ago.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah. I think I was one of a handful of
architects that came in and looked at the property and
started to talk about what could be. And you know,
the interview process kind of focused on a few holes
on what is currently the front nine, seven, eight and nine.
They really asked what did we think about those three
holes and what the potential was, and so presented a
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plan for those three and talked about the larger prospects
and was selected to be a partner for the project. Yeah,
and then it was a bunch of you know, historic
research and trying to understand how do we best respect
Bobby Jones and the golf course that Donald Ross set out.
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And then yeah, a lot of back and forth about
you know, how the game had changed, how the golf
course had changed, how to create something that's really magical
for the membership there on a daily basis, and then
also to be able to host the world's best when
when we have to tune it up for next week.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
That's right. And you talk about the historical approach and
trying to you know, find out as much information as
you can. And I've read some of the stories about
the photo that you were able to fine, the aerial
photo dating back to nineteen forty nine, and how integral
that was for your restoration. How did that come about?
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Like I mean, because I am a history nerd so
to speak. I love diving into history and almost like
solving mysteries to a certain degree, and it sounds like
you might have stumbled on something like that with this photo.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, So you know, I spent a bunch of time
in the club's archives. Of course, it has a long
relationship with Atlanta Athletic Club since that was the original
home of Atlanta Athletic Club, So there was a lot
of shared history and places to look within that kind
of internal framework. And then we have a number of
kind of global places to view through digital technology through
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the web. And in one of my sites that I
look at for historical aerial photos, I found this picture
from forty nine And what was so magical about that
particular image was that it was so clear that you
could see a lot of the details, not only the
things that were part of the golf course at that time,
but you could also see the scars and skeletons of
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things that were there from even years previous, and that
gave us another layer of things to consider.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Wow. Now, but how did you balance You talked about,
you know, Bobby Jones and then being able also, you know,
to keep it modern. But how did you balance honoring
that legacy but also still creating a modern challenge for
the golfers that we're talking about, like a Scottie Scheffler
and Xanderschoffley's, Victor Hoblin, those type of guys.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Sure so well. One of the things the original golf
course had two sets of greens. So every hole had
two greens, a winter green and a summer green, and
they were grassed with different grasses, you know, one that
was better for the fall, winter and spring, and one
that was better in the summertime. And so we were
able to use that combination to kind of pick and
choose through each golfer which green might work best for
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the modern game. And really, you know, I felt like
if I could justify or tell a story about the
elements that we utilized, that we could make that you know,
be able to kind of spread the message of Bobby
Jones and that dynamic. And then for the tour player, man,
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you know, the reality is they're just so stinking good.
I was trying to get them a little uncomfortable where
we could so a few things that were maybe a
little blind, or whole locations that were on edges that
just made them uneasy to fire at particular whole locations.
And then we stretched the golf course as much as
we could. You know, East Lake's a fairly confined piece
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of ground, but we were able to find a few
hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Now are you somewhat of a mad scientist though, because
is there you know, being able to try to create
some situations to make it a little more difficult for
these golfers.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Yeah, I think you know, the reality is when you
make a professional golf uncomfortable, sometimes that means they vocalized
being uncomfortable. So last year there was a lot of
consternation about the golf course being really hard, and I
think the set up during the week last year was
probably marginalized a little bit to make sure that we
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didn't put the players in a bad position and that
we were able to have an exciting championship. This year,
I think there's really been a focus on making it
as challenging as we can. It'll be interesting to see
how much further the tour goes with whole locations and
tucking things and utilizing some of the back tees that
we didn't utilize last year.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Wow. Andrew Green is our guest president and principal architect
of ah Green Design, Green Golf and Turf led the
restoration project at East Lake Golf Club down in Atlanta
a couple of years ago. As they are getting ready
to have the tour championship, the top thirty players will
be teeing off next week and talk about some of
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those players and even like a Victor Hovlin and Scottie Scheffler,
they both came out basically and I should say and
said basically, this is a new course to us because
it was so different from the previous years. And so
when you hear those type of things, how does that
make you feel? Is it a good thing that they
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understand that there's big differences or you also you know,
trying to balance, you know, keeping them where they're not
too frustrated with you.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Yeah. I mean for me, it's it's whatever respects the
history of the golf course and the legacy of East
Lake and the cousin's family, Yes, and everything that they
did for the city of Atlanta. So having a few
edges of I don't know, complaints of the right word,
but you know that edges of yeah, you know, thinking
things are different or hard, I'm okay with. I think
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the reality last year was that the players had one
heck of a playoff where it was a really hot
week in Memphis. They went out to the you know,
the high altitude with the BMW Championship in Colorado, and
then flew east and had a brand new golf course
that's set up in a champion ship style condition, and
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I think it was just a lot to take in.
So I think this year will be a better judge
of you know, the impressions and the utilization of the
golf course.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, what's your process when you're designing? I mean, how
do you get into the zone when you're drawing out
a restoration project or even you know, a brand new
project that we'll talk about.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, I think just you know, trying to be in
as a creative a state of mind as possible, looking
at limitless possibilities and trying to make the best decision
to pursue and realizing that if you head down a
path and you get to the end and you don't
like it, you need to have the ability to say, hey,
let's let's go back and look at this again. And
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you know, typically there'll be moments in the design process
where there's kind of goosebump kind of things where you're
you know, this level of excitement and vision tells you
you're on the right path. And so we try to
draw with a lot of intention and a lot of purpose,
and then when we get in the field, like a
day like today, we try to really hone what we
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have and make it as good as it can be.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, is your process early morning, when it's quiet music
in the evening? How do you get into that zone?
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Yeah, I'm an early riser. I love the first thing
in the morning. That's the best time of the day. Yeah,
a lot of music. Yeah, it depends on what mood
I'm in. I listen to everything from yacht rock to
hip hop to anything in between. So I think maybe
some people joke about my shaping or my design, they
can maybe tell if I'm listening to metal or to
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yacht rock, you know, and so there is a.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
True you can actually tell. Have you been able to
see the difference yourself?
Speaker 4 (27:03):
You're right, Yeah, maybe a little bit.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Oh, I love it. Andrew Green is our guest president
and principal architect of ah Green Design, Green Golf and
Turf As He led the restoration project at East Lake
Golf Club in Atlanta a couple of years ago. Again,
the Tour Championship tee and off next week. But Andrew, also,
you're involved with a special project here in the Upstate.
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Right just a few miles from downtown Greenville, Kiwanu Golf
Club broke ground in April, a private golf only club
that's going to be new here, set to hopefully open
up in twenty twenty seven. Give us the update. How
are things progressing right now?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
So we're we're actively clearing the corridors for the golf holes,
and I think we have had many moments of excitement
where studying the topography and the lines of play on
paper and seeing them come to light out in the
field that it's just been super exciting that it's definitely
an interesting part of the creative process starting to see
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the land be uncovered. Very excited about the level of
golf we're going to be able to create, the amount
of variety, and just the strong sense of place that
I think is so important to that Greenville area where
we're going to be able to develop something that's solely
unique to the Upstate. And the topography does so much
work for us that we're able to utilize it in
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creative and interesting ways and playing golf holds uphill and
downhill and across grades that are very unique. So super
excited about where we are and where we're headed.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
What gets you more energized a brand new project like
this creating a golf course. I know this is the
first one that you've really from the very beginning versus
a restoration project.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yeah, I think they're they're both different. They both help
a different sense of kind of excitement and creativity. The
way a new course comes together and you connect the
dots from one tee to the green, to the next
tea to the next green, and so forth and so on,
there's a lot of excitement and interest in the way
that process happens. But I also think working on a
(29:18):
historic property and seeing how history can be brought back
to life. Yeah, it's different, but there's still a similar
kind of Christmas Morning level of excitement for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
And as we're wrapping up, if listeners are going down
to the Tour Championship next week, what is a hole
or what is a feature that you're most proud of
there at East Lake If you can even name that,
that's like saying your favorite child.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think you know all the holes. I
believe we made nice improvements too and developed some intrigue,
especially for the tour player. I'm excited this week to
see us play the back tee on fifteen, which is
the part three over Water. We did not utilize that
back to last year because they were concerned the Greens
(30:05):
were too firm to hold a shot, and then there's
a back t on number nine another part three. I'm
really excited to see how we utilize that love the finish.
I think the fourteen fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen dynamic. We've
adjusted a few things there for this year that I
think will make that closing stretch great. And I love
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the fact the tour's gone to kind of everybody starts
at the same point.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yes, I agree that of having the.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Offset staggered start. I think that also create a lot
of excitement. And you've got to believe the way the
professional game is right now with some of these leader
boards that we're going to have a really strong group
next week. So looking forward to that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
We definitely will. And one last question then, because we
are also really close to college football, and your thoughts
on your Virginia Tech Hokies this year, sir.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah, Well, you know, I went to school with when
Shane Biemer was there, so you know I've got a
little love for him too. I think the game Cocks
probably have us in Atlanta for the first game, but
we'll see. Brent Price is doing a wonderful job with
the team there in Blacksburg, and I think it'll be
an exciting season.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
No question about it. Andrew, thank you for your time today.
You get back out there in that dirt and make
things happen, make some magic happen out there. We appreciate it. Andrew,
thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Christman, take care, Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Sir, that is Andrew Green, President and principal architect of
AH Green Design Green Golf and Turf telling you what
he did at east Lake. It is spectacular. If you
haven't had a chance to get down to the Tour Championship,
you definitely need to do that. I played the course
years ago, but this was before the restoration happened, so
(31:47):
I'm anxious to try to at some point play again.
I do have some friends that are members there, so
maybe I can parlay that at some point to get
back out there. But make sure you check out what
Andrew Green is doing here also in the Greenville area,
the Upstate Kuwanu Golf Club. Again, it's going to be
(32:08):
a fantastic private course here in the Upstate is We'll
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(32:30):
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had mentioned the Dallas Cowboys and valuations. Right, Oh yeah, okay,
do you did you? Were you able to look at
(33:56):
the valuations Dallas colvim. Yeah, I have a pretty ballpark figure,
so it might be cheating if I answered exactly yes.
All right, So, according to Sportico, the Dallas Cowboys are
the most valued NFL franchise at twelve point eight billion dollars. Yes,
that is with a b billion dollars coming in second
(34:20):
is actually the La Chargers at point four billion, the
Giants at ten point two billion, the Patriots at eight
point seven billion, and the San Francisco forty nine Ers
rounding out the top five at eight point six billion.
So only three teams were there in double digits. And
(34:43):
again the Dallas Cowboys well ahead of anybody by over
two billion. Dollars at twelve point eight billion dollars, and
so it really got me thinking, how in the world
is this happening, because we do know that for valuations,
you have to have success. And what I mean success
(35:05):
is that if you have a company, you have to
continue having revenue, you can have to continue having sales,
and it has to be on an upward trajectory, or
at least that's what we would think. And now you
might be able to look at real estate and say, well, hey,
you know, valuations just go up because properties are going
(35:26):
up based on the scarcity of land in certain areas.
So all of these type of different factors. But when
you look at the Dallas Cowboys, you're thinking, well, remember
they haven't been to the Super Bowl, haven't won the
Super Bowl since nineteen ninety five, but they're still top yeah,
in terms of valuations of the NFL. And so I'm
trying to understand why that is. And we do know
(35:50):
that the Cowboys brand when you think about it, I mean,
the first thing you think about when you hear Dallas Cowboys,
it's America's team. Oh well yeah, the Star, yeah exactly.
The star The star is iconic, especially like yes are
there any other logos that you can think of that
(36:11):
you immediately associate that are iconic. I can think of
the swoosh oh, Nike, I can think of Jump many, yes, exactly.
I can think of the Star the Dallas Cowboys. It's iconic.
It quickly makes you think of the Dallas Cowboys. Five
super Bowl, super Bowl titles, eight appearances, and that's what
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has kept them in the cultural spotlight, so to speak.
And again that history that they have, and now we
know next week Netflix is coming out with the documentary
docuseries America's Team, The Gambler and His Cowboys, so even
more so looking at Jerry Jones and what they've been
(36:57):
able to do. But America's Team nickname, it goes all
the way back to nineteen seventy eight with NFL films
and how that Moniker stuck with the Dallas Cowboys. Again,
this is after two super Bowl wins, so at that
time they were and that's when I became a Dallas
Cowboys fan. You and a lot of people, yes, of course,
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And so you have this history and even without the
recent titles, the brand is almost like a self sustaining machine.
It just continues to have fans and again part of
it is because they grew up watching in the seventies
or also how about the nineties dynasty. Don't forget about
that when the Cowboys were also good there, So there's
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something to it now the other side to as much
as we talk about Jerry Jones and his relationship with
the Cowboys and his dysfunction at times as a general
manager and what he tries to do, yet we can talk
about that all day long, but from a business standpoint,
(38:07):
it's hard to argue what he's been able to do
as a businessman. There's no doubt. Think about this. Jerry
Jones bought the Cowboys in nineteen eighty nine. He paid
one hundred and forty million dollars and today, according to Sportico,
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they're worth twelve point eight billion dollars. It's a hell
of an ROI nine thousand percent increase in that period
of time. You can't tell me that Jerry Jones has
not hit a home run here a grand Slam. As
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a businessman, he revolutionized NFL revenue streams from sponsorships and merchandising.
I mean, he pioneered lucrative deals that in some regards,
set the standard for sports franchises. Then you also you've
got AT and T Stadium. It cost one point one
billion dollars to build that place. But it's not just
(39:09):
about NFL games there, it's concerts, rodeos, college football, and
you've got a capacity of over one hundred thousand dollars
and obviously the big massive video screens. Huh. I mean,
this is something that Jerry Jones has built. And also,
don't forget about he helps secure the NFC's broadcaster, Fox
and the media rights deals and now we know teams
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are sharing approximately four hundred million dollars annually from METEA rights.
So there's something that Jerry Jones has been able to do.
The revenue, according to reports, is one point one billion
dollars annually, which is nearly double the second place NFL team,
(39:54):
and they have an operating income of just over five
hundred million dollars. So again you can talk about Jerry
Jones and his hands on management and criticize that, in
which I do, because again you look at what's happening
right now with his football decisions. Oh yeah, the contract
negotiations that have stalled, and again according to reports right
(40:17):
now is that they haven't and talked in any more detail,
and it's been almost a month and you have to
be scratching your head. But his business acumen, can we
say it's unmatched? I mean, it's ridiculous when you think
about where the Dallas Cowboys are and what they've been
able to do from evaluation standpoint. And I think part
of it too is also I mean, you do have
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a loyal fan base. I mean, the Cowboys fan base
is massive, again, spanning different generations, geographies worldwide, going back
to an icon that star and America's team, and it's
hard to argue some of that, and it just shows
you that, yes, winning is obviously very important, but you
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can sustain some of that based on history, and I
think the Dallas Cowboys have been able to do that.
My question though, is how will things continue? Can the
Cowboys continue this type of rise and not have some
type of playoff success. I don't know the answer to that, Tray.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I I almost feel like they probably can, and that's
because the Dallas Cowboys are at a very rarefied air
in the fact that there's not too many brands or people,
if you will, whatever you want to whatever, wherever you
want to go with it, that you could look at
and go people either love them or hate them. There
(41:45):
is no middle ground with the Dallas Cowboys. People do
not just generally go h Dallas whatever. You either dislike
the Dallas Cowboys or you love them, you're a fan.
And that right there is kind of what it's a
perpetual in motion kind of thing. It's a self churning
thing because people are gonna watch because they hate the
Dallas Cowboys. People are gonna watch because they love the
Dallas Cowboys, and that's all there is to it. People
(42:05):
want to watch them fail or people that love them
want to watch them win, and that is I don't
know how you take that away, because if the Dallas
Cowboys continue to just stay bad, it's great for everybody.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
That hates them.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Well, of course it's still being talked about it because
we put these expectations on the Cowboys each and every year.
And I think part of it is because they are
the most valued franchise. So if you're the most valued franchise,
you have to be good. That's part of you had
to live up to the expectations there in the NFL.
And also remember we've talked about it several times, you know,
(42:37):
rising tide lifts all boats, and I think that's part
of it as well. The NFL. I mean, the overall
value of the NFL is just continuing to soar. Again
when you look at some of these valuations, the average
franchise is seven billion dollars, you know, from a valuation standpoint.
So I mean even some of the worst franchises quote
unquote worst franchises, I mean, they're still worth billions of dollars.
(43:00):
And so you've got all of these media deals, the
private equity investments. You've got to obviously what we've just
recently seen with ESPN and the NFL and the NFL
becoming a ten percent owner in ESPN. I mean, there's
something about the NFL, and you know, it's a money
printing machine, so to speak. And even though the Cowboys
(43:21):
have had a lack of playoff success, and that's what
we talk about the most important Yeah, think about this
five and twelve since nineteen ninety five, I mean, that
is insane when you think about it, and obviously that's
frustrating a lot of the fans, But the financial model
of the Dallas Cowboys continues to thrive because also you've
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got the NFL's lucrative ecosystem and again printing that money.
But it does seem that the Cowboys are the gold standard.
They're in the NFL and the gold standard of professional
sports organizations because they continue to outpace the success that
is on the field versus the success that we see
(44:05):
from evaluation standpoint. And I do believe Jerry Jones does
need to get credit for the business side of things.
But at some point you've got to do the right
things to have the best roster, to have your team
have postseason success and try to win another Super Bowl championship.
All Right, we're gonna hit this break real quick and
(44:26):
we'll continue this Thursday edition of the Richmond Weaver Show
presented by Ingles Markets right after this live from Group
Therapy downtown Greenville here in Camperdown Plaza, The Thursday edition
of the Richmond Weavers Show presented by Ingles Markets continues
as we are wrapping up our number one and coming
(44:46):
up in our number two at four fifteen, we will
have Brian Kite, author of Dailydiscipline dot com. He will
join us to talk a little bit more about behavior,
sports performance and in life and how you can excel
and taking a look at some of the things that
we saw over the past weekend in the world of sports,
(45:08):
we got some thoughts about some things that happened and
how you can use the equation E plus R equals oh,
event plus response equals outcome to help you perform. And
there might have been something going on in the world
of golf where Tommy fleetwood Man I thought he had
(45:29):
a thought he was going to be weekend's best there
mister Falco, that he was going to be able to
finally get a tour victory there on the PGA Tour,
but came up just a little bit short, and Brian
and I were actually texting over the weekend when it
was happening, so we definitely wanted to talk about that
and get some of his insights. And also, yes, when
(45:50):
we come back, we've had a little clip I want
to play from Dabo Sweeney on the Jim Rome Show
and he's actually talking about the Dallas Cowboy. We'll see
what mister Dabosweeney has to say about the Dallas Cowboys.
So make sure you stick with this right here as
we're going to hit this brake at the top of
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Right here on one O four nine Fox Sports Upstate,
the Thursday edition of the Richmond Weavers Show, presented by
our good friends at Ingles Markets. As we are out
in the community, we are actually down here at Group
Therapy getting ready to celebrate some festivities with iHeart Radio,
iHeartMedia and a lot of the partners that have been
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a part of this organization and been able to be involved,
and so we are excited to be down here at
Group Therapy. So yes, you can still come down here,
sneak in here and we'll say hello to you and
have some fun. Mister Trey Falco back in studio making
sure that we are out and about in terms of
on the air. So, mister Falco, I know again we've
(01:06):
talked about it several different times. We need to get
you at some of these remote broadcasts at times absolutely
can be here. And so now knowing that we've had
intern Miguel Hernandez helping us out understanding the board. This
might be an opportunity where we able to remove some
of the training wheels for Miguel in a few weeks
and see if we can have you out in some
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of these remotes. I think that would be absolutely fantastic.
Must friend, Yeah, that'd be awesome. I'd love to be
down there. Yeah, And we obviously have a jam Pack
show today for you as part of the new programming
four hours of local programming right here at one O
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five PM and we'll hand things off to mister John
Ellison Game On and he will be with you for
(01:49):
the rest of drive time until seven. So make sure
you stay tuned right here to one O four nine
Fox Sports Upstate. We have two guests today, so stay
tuned for that. Andrew Golf Course Architect, president of Green
Golf and Turf and Ah Green Design. He's going to
be with us in the next segment to talk about
(02:10):
the restoration project that he led down at East Lake
Golf Club for the Tour Championship that's going to be
happening next week. Yes, we had Alex Urban, the executive
director of the Tour Championship right PGA Tour on yesterday,
So we're going to continue talk a little golf. And
I know, yes, it's football time, we know that, I
understand that, but this is an opportunity to talk some
(02:31):
golf as we're getting ready to crown a champion on
the PGA Tour. So if we're getting close to crown
and a champion, yes, we've got to talk a little
bit more. And we've had Inrew Green on the show
before and he's a fantastic individual. And he's also involved
in a great project here in the Upstate a private
golf course, a brand new one that is being constructed
(02:51):
Kowanu Golf Club that they broke ground back in April. Yeah,
and so we can get an update on that, but
also really understand what he was able to do restoring
a historic golf course down in Atlanta at East Lake
Golf Club. And as we talked with Alex Urban yesterday
again the executive director of the Tour Championship, the home
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of Bobby Jones where he learned how to play golf.
And we know that Bobby Jones is one of the
greatest golfers that we've seen, so just remember this is
an opportunity to again have some history. You know I'm
going to I'm a history guy. I want to talk
some history. I want to learn a little more. You
better believe it, Yes, I definitely do. But I did
(03:33):
want to start with this though, because this just shows
you where we are in terms of how people are
excited right now, because we are getting closer and closer
to football, and I know every single day we consistently
talk about how close we are to college football and
the NFL, and it's great that we've got preseason games
that have now kicked off, and again, August twenty third
(03:57):
is technically week zero for college football, what they're trying
to identify as the beginning of college football, so we're
even closer to that. We're only two saturdays away, and
we're going to have college football with Iowa State and
Kansas State kicking off there in Ireland and what they're
calling Farmageddon because Iowa State and both Kansas State are
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somewhat heavy on the ag side of things. But I
was down here earlier at Camperdown Plaza where Group Therapy is.
It's a fantastic venue down here, So again, come join us.
But I was down here earlier this morning with Megan
Haddelberg on Your Carolina doing a segment there. And now,
(04:40):
as I was walking back to the studio this morning,
I was walking by the valet stand at the AC
Hotel right here at Camperdown Plaza, and the two valets
are out there and the banter going back and forth. Oh,
no way, the Chiefs aren't going to do it this year. No, no, no, no,
it's going to be the Eagles again. They're just too loaded.
(05:02):
So gotta love it, as you gotta love that you
have that type of banter going on right now as
they're just hanging out. It's it's the water cooler type
of discussions going on that you have in the office.
And maybe you know, we don't have the same type
of office settings that we did thirty plus years ago,
(05:23):
but still it doesn't matter. It's an opportunity to talk sports,
talk smack and your team versus your friends teams all
of that. And I just cracked up as I was
walking by, just knowing that Okay, oh it's here, it's here.
We're talking football like that, and so you know, people
are amped up for some football tray. Oh one percent.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I mean they are, I feel like around here at
least it's a kind of three hundred and sixty five
days and year type thing. But especially at this time,
and especially with the weather that we've been having, where
it's kind of dip down a little bit and you
get your fall fever and you kind of feel it
and football seems to be in the air. And that's
what we love about sports because it's kind of life, right.
You could talk about it wherever. It kind of brings
(06:05):
everybody together. It doesn't matter if you cheer for the
same team. You have that kind of playful banter. It
doesn't matter if you're a Chiefs fan, an Eagles fan,
or if you don't have any skin in the game,
and maybe you're a Panthers fan. You know, it doesn't matter.
You can still talk about it and it still brings
people together.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Oh it does, and especially this time of the year,
because we have talked about this, and I know we've
probably harped on this, but it is the reality.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
This is that.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Time of year where everybody is undefeated. Right now, you
have that ability to again maybe not talk smack because
I know there's a lot of being cautiously optimistic, you
know from fan bases, and I would say, especially from
South Carolina fan bases, that hey, we don't want to
put the cart before the horse. You know, we're thirteenth
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in the country and both the AP and the Coach's poll,
and how much do the polls actually mean anything? And
we know right now it really doesn't matter. It's all
about being able to go out there and understand what
your team is because you really don't know, especially in
today's college athletics with a transfer portal. I mean happy
to question marks do some of these teams have. They
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all have a ton of question marks. Now you can
look at certain teams and maybe they have less question marks,
but there's a lot of teams that have significant question
marks because the roster is different. It's a different offensive
line and more importantly, a different quarterback, all of those
type of things, different coordinator. So you have all of
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those factors that are going into this part of the
season that still gives us that season of hope that
this can be the year that will have success as
a fan base, our team will make it. And I
can tell you, as Dallas Cowboys fans, we know what
that feels like because it seems like we're saying it, Oh,
(07:55):
this is going to be the year. So at some
point we've got to try to speak it into exist.
But that's the beauty of this time of year, Tray,
is that we have that opportunity to feel good about
our team and we're not frustrated. We just have to
be cautious that we don't quickly make too many conclusions
off of some of the observations that we see early
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on with our teams. Oh one, as a you know,
you're a Dallas Cowboy fan.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
You're very optimistic Dallas Cowboy fan talking about not being frustrated,
and I feel like it's it's always something with Jerry Jones.
You always have to be frustrated as a Cowboy fan.
But to your point with the question marks, you know,
there are teams that have question marks, teams that have less.
But I think the biggest question mark for every single
team going into any season is what does it look
like on the field, Because we see a time and
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time again, you look at it on paper and you go,
oh man, all right, all right, this team they got
to figure out they got the quarterback. Even even to
South Carolina, you look at it, you like Okay, they
got this. They got the quarterback, that's the most important position.
You got a head coach in Shane Beemer. What are
we doing on defense?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
All right?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
You got some you got some transfers, you got some
people here. I don't know what that's going to look like,
but hopefully they'll hold water. Maybe kind of a mid,
middle of the pack type of defense. But the biggest
question is what if they hit the field and that
defense is better than we thought. What if that hit
the field and Leonora's sellers is not as good as
we thought. Because time and time again we see it
on paper and it never translates to the field.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And I think what we saw last year was South Carolina.
There is no question that people realized pretty quickly, oh wow, okay,
this defense is actually better than we had anticipated. And
they were a stack defense. And then you look at
Clemson on the flip side, where Clemson has historically had
those defensive lines, those middle linebackers. You know that even
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the secondary that would shut people down, and we didn't
see that. We saw them be able to get exposed,
especially on the run side of things. They couldn't stop
the run. And we saw that in the Louisville game,
Clempson got bullied, the South Carolina game, obviously we know
what happened there. And then the Texas game. Clemson had
(10:04):
an opportunity to win that game if they'd just been
able to stop the run and some of the explosive
the big plays from the running game for Texas. And
so it was almost to a tale of two different
schools and two different teams, so to speak. And so
now it's the same thing heading into this season. So
(10:24):
which teams will have some of those surprises on the
positive side and also unfortunately somewhat on the negative side,
And how it's going to look on the field, because
to your point, yes it can look great on paper,
but you just don't know until it's out on the field.
You can even look at what we've talked about Shoud
or Sanders, Okay, whatever you want to say, in terms
(10:48):
of him being a fifth round pick and an early
indication it looks like the speed of the game, he
was okay with it in terms of transitioning to the NFL.
And then you look at Caleb Williams for the Chicago Bears.
It'd be interesting to see how he's going to be
And then as we heard at the top of the hour,
(11:08):
Justin Herbert going to start for a preseason game. And
that's not a major headline other than the fact that
I think we have seen over the past several years,
and especially somebody like a Sean McVay who has really
been adamant that all my starters, they're not playing in
the preseason, right, there's no reason to so you have
(11:30):
an old school coach like Jim Harball, So no my
quarterbacks getting out there, because I want to see what
he's like again here in this next season, how is
he developing, and especially somebody like a Justin Herbert, where
I think there's something to prove for Justin Herbert. He's
going to have to continue to play well and have
the Chargers. And we know Jim Harball is a hell
(11:52):
of a coach. We've talked about it and what they
can do on the offensive side. But is it time
for Justin Herbert to take that next step for the Chargers.
I think it is.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's funny you say that because I feel like every
year there's this conversation surrounding Dak Prescott, what's he doing
in the postseason. There's this conversation about Lamar, playoff Lamar,
But it doesn't feel like there's as much of that
conversation about Justin Herbert. I feel like a lot of
the conversation about Justin Herbert is, oh, he's an elite quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And we know he is. He an elite quarterback, but
what's he done? That's right. The definition of elite you
have to at some point be able to showcase postseason
success exactly. So ye off success, yeah, wins, you have
to have that.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And based on that. So this is where I get
where I get a little bit lost there with the
whole Justin Herbert thing. I like Justin Herbert, but if
you're gonna call Justin Herbert elite quarterback and what has
he done in the postseason, why can't we look at
a Dak Prescott and go, oh, he's pretty elite quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
He's putting up numbers.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
It's just his postseason is abysmal.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, I think there's a big part of what we've
also seen though in some of the regular season games
with Dak Prescott, he hasn't performed and that's I think
the biggest issue against the inferior teams or five hundred teams. Yeah, yes,
Dak looks great that there's no doubt about it. But
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you're right, yes, there is something about Dak Prescott, and
yes he has played well and he's a serviceable quarterback.
There's no question about it. He has the Cowboys three
years in a row they were twelling and five now
I know one year he was injured and was crazy
that you had a revolving door as far as some
of the quarterbacks there that were able to come into
and contribute. But it's also it's the Dallas Cowboys. It's
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different than the La Chargers a little bit. Yeah, there's
higher expectations. We do know that there's something about that,
and that's something we're actually going to talk about coming
up later in the show because we did just get
the new information that was just released by Sportico the
most valuable NFL franchises, and I just wonder who is
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the number one valued franchise in the NFL. Hmm, let
me think about that. It might just be the team
that has been there for six straight seasons without a
whole lot of playoff success. So we're going to talk
about that. But coming up, we're gonna go inside the
Ropes again today because we have Andrew Green, president of
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Green Golf in turf Ah Green Design, as he's going
to join us to talk about the restoration project a
few years ago that he led at East Lake Golf
Club down in Atlanta. As the Tour Championship gets ready
to tee off next Thursday, as the PGA Tour is
getting ready to crown a champion here in twenty twenty five.
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All right, stick with us, We'll hit this brake and
Andrew Green will join us right after this the Thursday
edition of the Richmond Weavers Show presented by Ingles Markets.
Can it's right here on one O four nine Fox
Sports Upstate as we are broadcasting live from Group Therapy
down here in downtown Greenville Camperdown Plaza. So if you
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get an opportunity to come join us, we'll be here
until seven pm. Mister John Ellis will be with you
from five to seven, so we'll turn things over to
him at five and he will be with you for
the rest of drive time. But you know that you
can come down, hang out, talk some sports, and we
are going to continue doing that. And yes, we had
Alex Urban, the executive director of the Tour Championship on
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yesterday going inside the rope. So let's go inside the
ropes one more time.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
From the fairways to the headlines. It's Inside the Ropes
driven by the BMW charity program presented by TD Sinaks.
You're all access passed to golf's biggest names and best moments.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
All right, it's our pleasure now to welcome back mister
Andrew Green, President and principal architect of A H. Green
Design and Green Golf and Turf. And Andrew, I feel
like at times when we've been able to text and
talk over the phone, it's almost like a where's Waldo
type of situation. So where's Andrew now?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Interesting to be idea, Yeah, I'm actually walking down the
tenth fairway at Kansas City Country Club. Let's go with Kansas.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Okay, now are you playing right now? Did we catch
you in the middle of a round?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah? No, quite a bit of Dirk to be playing golf,
even though Dirk golf is a is a great joy
because there's not as much need for score. But no,
I'm finishing off the site. Visit here, and it's it's
the golf course that nave us. Tom Watson, We're really
excited to be a part of it a really cool
old tilling Hast golf course and yeah, getting towards.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
The end, that's right, Yes, absolutely fantastic. So how much
do you travel in a given month for your job?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, I'm afraid to add it up, but typically Monday
through Thursday, Monday through Friday. It's it's pretty consistent usually
that is. Yeah, kind of a different city every every day.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, And when you're out traveling, what are the things
that you're focusing on when you're going to sites and
understanding you know, the topography, the landscape. You know, how
are you taking all of that in?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah, I mean it's it's boots on the ground. You're
getting out seeing what's happening, either reflecting on, you know,
an existing property that we're evaluating, or working through the
planning process and trying to visualize what the golf course
could be, or on a day like today, adjusting grassing
lines for where the fairway is going to end up,
getting ready for irrigation, you know, painting bunkers, looking at
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green contours. So it's it's a real hands on business.
But there's a number of different steps.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, So as you like to say, you know, getting dirty,
that's for certain you're there in the midst of it
for sure. Andrew Green is our guest here on this
Thursday edition of the Richmond Weavers Show, presented by Engles Markets.
He's the president and principal architect of AH Green Design,
Green Golf and Turf And obviously we've talked before, Andrew,
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and one of the things that we were able to
talk about is just the restoration project down at East Lake.
But I wanted to dive in a little bit more
about that as we're so close to the Tour Championship
next week they're in the historic golf course there in Atlanta,
and walk us through how it came about that you
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were selected to lead that restoration project a couple of
years ago.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah. I think I was one of a handful of
architects that came in and looked at the property and
started to talk about what could be. And you know,
the interview process kind of focused on a few holes
on what is currently the front nine, seven, eight and nine.
They really asked what did we think about those three
holes and what the potential was, and so presented a
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plan for those three and talked about the larger prospects
and was selected to be a partner for the project. Yeah,
and then it was a bunch of you know, historic
research and trying to understand how do we best respect
Bobby Jones and the golf course that Donald Ross set out.
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And then yeah, a lot of back and forth about
you know, how the game had changed, how the golf
course had changed, how to create something that's really magical
for the membership there on a daily basis, and then
also to be able to host the world's best when
when we have to tune it up for next week.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
That's right. And you talk about the historical approach and
trying to you know, find out as much information as
you can. And I've read some of the stories about
the photo that you were able to fine, the aerial
photo dating back to nineteen forty nine, and how integral
that was for your restoration. How did that come about?
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Like I mean, because I am a history nerd so
to speak. I love diving into history and almost like
solving mysteries to a certain degree, and it sounds like
you might have stumbled on something like that with this photo.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, So you know, I spent a bunch of time
in the club's archives. Of course, it has a long
relationship with Atlanta Athletic Club since that was the original
home of Atlanta Athletic Club, So there was a lot
of shared history and places to look within that kind
of internal framework. And then we have a number of
kind of global places to view through digital technology through
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the web. And in one of my sites that I
look at for historical aerial photos, I found this picture
from forty nine And what was so magical about that
particular image was that it was so clear that you
could see a lot of the details, not only the
things that were part of the golf course at that time,
but you could also see the scars and skeletons of
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things that were there from even years previous, and that
gave us another layer of things to consider.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Wow. Now, but how did you balance You talked about,
you know, Bobby Jones and then being able also, you know,
to keep it modern. But how did you balance honoring
that legacy but also still creating a modern challenge for
the golfers that we're talking about, like a Scottie Scheffler
and Xanderschoffley's, Victor Hoblin, those type of guys.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Sure so well. One of the things the original golf
course had two sets of greens. So every hole had
two greens, a winter green and a summer green, and
they were grassed with different grasses, you know, one that
was better for the fall, winter and spring, and one
that was better in the summertime. And so we were
able to use that combination to kind of pick and
choose through each golfer which green might work best for
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the modern game. And really, you know, I felt like
if I could justify or tell a story about the
elements that we utilized, that we could make that you know,
be able to kind of spread the message of Bobby
Jones and that dynamic. And then for the tour player, man,
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you know, the reality is they're just so stinking good.
I was trying to get them a little uncomfortable where
we could so a few things that were maybe a
little blind, or whole locations that were on edges that
just made them uneasy to fire at particular whole locations.
And then we stretched the golf course as much as
we could. You know, East Lake's a fairly confined piece
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of ground, but we were able to find a few
hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Now are you somewhat of a mad scientist though, because
is there you know, being able to try to create
some situations to make it a little more difficult for
these golfers.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Yeah, I think you know, the reality is when you
make a professional golf uncomfortable, sometimes that means they vocalized
being uncomfortable. So last year there was a lot of
consternation about the golf course being really hard, and I
think the set up during the week last year was
probably marginalized a little bit to make sure that we
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didn't put the players in a bad position and that
we were able to have an exciting championship. This year,
I think there's really been a focus on making it
as challenging as we can. It'll be interesting to see
how much further the tour goes with whole locations and
tucking things and utilizing some of the back tees that
we didn't utilize last year.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Wow. Andrew Green is our guest president and principal architect
of ah Green Design, Green Golf and Turf led the
restoration project at East Lake Golf Club down in Atlanta
a couple of years ago. As they are getting ready
to have the tour championship, the top thirty players will
be teeing off next week and talk about some of
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those players and even like a Victor Hovlin and Scottie Scheffler,
they both came out basically and I should say and
said basically, this is a new course to us because
it was so different from the previous years. And so
when you hear those type of things, how does that
make you feel? Is it a good thing that they
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understand that there's big differences or you also you know,
trying to balance, you know, keeping them where they're not
too frustrated with you.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Yeah. I mean for me, it's it's whatever respects the
history of the golf course and the legacy of East
Lake and the cousin's family, Yes, and everything that they
did for the city of Atlanta. So having a few
edges of I don't know, complaints of the right word,
but you know that edges of yeah, you know, thinking
things are different or hard, I'm okay with. I think
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the reality last year was that the players had one
heck of a playoff where it was a really hot
week in Memphis. They went out to the you know,
the high altitude with the BMW Championship in Colorado, and
then flew east and had a brand new golf course
that's set up in a champion ship style condition, and
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I think it was just a lot to take in.
So I think this year will be a better judge
of you know, the impressions and the utilization of the
golf course.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, what's your process when you're designing? I mean, how
do you get into the zone when you're drawing out
a restoration project or even you know, a brand new
project that we'll talk about.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, I think just you know, trying to be in
as a creative a state of mind as possible, looking
at limitless possibilities and trying to make the best decision
to pursue and realizing that if you head down a
path and you get to the end and you don't
like it, you need to have the ability to say, hey,
let's let's go back and look at this again. And
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you know, typically there'll be moments in the design process
where there's kind of goosebump kind of things where you're
you know, this level of excitement and vision tells you
you're on the right path. And so we try to
draw with a lot of intention and a lot of purpose,
and then when we get in the field, like a
day like today, we try to really hone what we
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have and make it as good as it can be.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, is your process early morning, when it's quiet music
in the evening? How do you get into that zone?
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Yeah, I'm an early riser. I love the first thing
in the morning. That's the best time of the day. Yeah,
a lot of music. Yeah, it depends on what mood
I'm in. I listen to everything from yacht rock to
hip hop to anything in between. So I think maybe
some people joke about my shaping or my design, they
can maybe tell if I'm listening to metal or to
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yacht rock, you know, and so there is a.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
True you can actually tell. Have you been able to
see the difference yourself?
Speaker 4 (27:03):
You're right, Yeah, maybe a little bit.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Oh, I love it. Andrew Green is our guest president
and principal architect of ah Green Design, Green Golf and
Turf As He led the restoration project at East Lake
Golf Club in Atlanta a couple of years ago. Again,
the Tour Championship tee and off next week. But Andrew, also,
you're involved with a special project here in the Upstate.
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Right just a few miles from downtown Greenville, Kiwanu Golf
Club broke ground in April, a private golf only club
that's going to be new here, set to hopefully open
up in twenty twenty seven. Give us the update. How
are things progressing right now?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
So we're we're actively clearing the corridors for the golf holes,
and I think we have had many moments of excitement
where studying the topography and the lines of play on
paper and seeing them come to light out in the
field that it's just been super exciting that it's definitely
an interesting part of the creative process starting to see
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the land be uncovered. Very excited about the level of
golf we're going to be able to create, the amount
of variety, and just the strong sense of place that
I think is so important to that Greenville area where
we're going to be able to develop something that's solely
unique to the Upstate. And the topography does so much
work for us that we're able to utilize it in
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creative and interesting ways and playing golf holds uphill and
downhill and across grades that are very unique. So super
excited about where we are and where we're headed.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
What gets you more energized a brand new project like
this creating a golf course. I know this is the
first one that you've really from the very beginning versus
a restoration project.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yeah, I think they're they're both different. They both help
a different sense of kind of excitement and creativity. The
way a new course comes together and you connect the
dots from one tee to the green, to the next
tea to the next green, and so forth and so on,
there's a lot of excitement and interest in the way
that process happens. But I also think working on a
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historic property and seeing how history can be brought back
to life. Yeah, it's different, but there's still a similar
kind of Christmas Morning level of excitement for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
And as we're wrapping up, if listeners are going down
to the Tour Championship next week, what is a hole
or what is a feature that you're most proud of
there at East Lake If you can even name that,
that's like saying your favorite child.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think you know all the holes. I
believe we made nice improvements too and developed some intrigue,
especially for the tour player. I'm excited this week to
see us play the back tee on fifteen, which is
the part three over Water. We did not utilize that
back to last year because they were concerned the Greens
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were too firm to hold a shot, and then there's
a back t on number nine another part three. I'm
really excited to see how we utilize that love the finish.
I think the fourteen fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen dynamic. We've
adjusted a few things there for this year that I
think will make that closing stretch great. And I love
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the fact the tour's gone to kind of everybody starts
at the same point.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yes, I agree that of having the.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Offset staggered start. I think that also create a lot
of excitement. And you've got to believe the way the
professional game is right now with some of these leader
boards that we're going to have a really strong group
next week. So looking forward to that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
We definitely will. And one last question then, because we
are also really close to college football, and your thoughts
on your Virginia Tech Hokies this year, sir.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah, Well, you know, I went to school with when
Shane Biemer was there, so you know I've got a
little love for him too. I think the game Cocks
probably have us in Atlanta for the first game, but
we'll see. Brent Price is doing a wonderful job with
the team there in Blacksburg, and I think it'll be
an exciting season.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
No question about it. Andrew, thank you for your time today.
You get back out there in that dirt and make
things happen, make some magic happen out there. We appreciate it. Andrew,
thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Christman, take care, Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Sir, that is Andrew Green, President and principal architect of
AH Green Design Green Golf and Turf telling you what
he did at east Lake. It is spectacular. If you
haven't had a chance to get down to the Tour Championship,
you definitely need to do that. I played the course
years ago, but this was before the restoration happened, so
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I'm anxious to try to at some point play again.
I do have some friends that are members there, so
maybe I can parlay that at some point to get
back out there. But make sure you check out what
Andrew Green is doing here also in the Greenville area,
the Upstate Kuwanu Golf Club. Again, it's going to be
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a fantastic private course here in the Upstate is We'll
continue this Thursday edition of The Richmond Weaver Show presented
by Ingles Markets. Right after this, the Thursday edition of
the Richmond Weavers Show presented by Ingles Markets continues. Our
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had mentioned the Dallas Cowboys and valuations. Right, Oh yeah, okay,
do you did you? Were you able to look at
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the valuations Dallas colvim. Yeah, I have a pretty ballpark figure,
so it might be cheating if I answered exactly yes.
All right, So, according to Sportico, the Dallas Cowboys are
the most valued NFL franchise at twelve point eight billion dollars. Yes,
that is with a b billion dollars coming in second
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is actually the La Chargers at point four billion, the
Giants at ten point two billion, the Patriots at eight
point seven billion, and the San Francisco forty nine Ers
rounding out the top five at eight point six billion.
So only three teams were there in double digits. And
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again the Dallas Cowboys well ahead of anybody by over
two billion. Dollars at twelve point eight billion dollars, and
so it really got me thinking, how in the world
is this happening, because we do know that for valuations,
you have to have success. And what I mean success
(35:05):
is that if you have a company, you have to
continue having revenue, you can have to continue having sales,
and it has to be on an upward trajectory, or
at least that's what we would think. And now you
might be able to look at real estate and say, well, hey,
you know, valuations just go up because properties are going
(35:26):
up based on the scarcity of land in certain areas.
So all of these type of different factors. But when
you look at the Dallas Cowboys, you're thinking, well, remember
they haven't been to the Super Bowl, haven't won the
Super Bowl since nineteen ninety five, but they're still top yeah,
in terms of valuations of the NFL. And so I'm
trying to understand why that is. And we do know
(35:50):
that the Cowboys brand when you think about it, I mean,
the first thing you think about when you hear Dallas Cowboys,
it's America's team. Oh well yeah, the Star, yeah exactly.
The star The star is iconic, especially like yes are
there any other logos that you can think of that
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you immediately associate that are iconic. I can think of
the swoosh oh, Nike, I can think of Jump many, yes, exactly.
I can think of the Star the Dallas Cowboys. It's iconic.
It quickly makes you think of the Dallas Cowboys. Five
super Bowl, super Bowl titles, eight appearances, and that's what
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has kept them in the cultural spotlight, so to speak.
And again that history that they have, and now we
know next week Netflix is coming out with the documentary
docuseries America's Team, The Gambler and His Cowboys, so even
more so looking at Jerry Jones and what they've been
(36:57):
able to do. But America's Team nickname, it goes all
the way back to nineteen seventy eight with NFL films
and how that Moniker stuck with the Dallas Cowboys. Again,
this is after two super Bowl wins, so at that
time they were and that's when I became a Dallas
Cowboys fan. You and a lot of people, yes, of course,
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And so you have this history and even without the
recent titles, the brand is almost like a self sustaining machine.
It just continues to have fans and again part of
it is because they grew up watching in the seventies
or also how about the nineties dynasty. Don't forget about
that when the Cowboys were also good there, So there's
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something to it now the other side to as much
as we talk about Jerry Jones and his relationship with
the Cowboys and his dysfunction at times as a general
manager and what he tries to do, yet we can talk
about that all day long, but from a business standpoint,
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it's hard to argue what he's been able to do
as a businessman. There's no doubt. Think about this. Jerry
Jones bought the Cowboys in nineteen eighty nine. He paid
one hundred and forty million dollars and today, according to Sportico,
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they're worth twelve point eight billion dollars. It's a hell
of an ROI nine thousand percent increase in that period
of time. You can't tell me that Jerry Jones has
not hit a home run here a grand Slam. As
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a businessman, he revolutionized NFL revenue streams from sponsorships and merchandising.
I mean, he pioneered lucrative deals that in some regards,
set the standard for sports franchises. Then you also you've
got AT and T Stadium. It cost one point one
billion dollars to build that place. But it's not just
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about NFL games there, it's concerts, rodeos, college football, and
you've got a capacity of over one hundred thousand dollars
and obviously the big massive video screens. Huh. I mean,
this is something that Jerry Jones has built. And also,
don't forget about he helps secure the NFC's broadcaster, Fox
and the media rights deals and now we know teams
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are sharing approximately four hundred million dollars annually from METEA rights.
So there's something that Jerry Jones has been able to do.
The revenue, according to reports, is one point one billion
dollars annually, which is nearly double the second place NFL team,
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and they have an operating income of just over five
hundred million dollars. So again you can talk about Jerry
Jones and his hands on management and criticize that, in
which I do, because again you look at what's happening
right now with his football decisions. Oh yeah, the contract
negotiations that have stalled, and again according to reports right
(40:17):
now is that they haven't and talked in any more detail,
and it's been almost a month and you have to
be scratching your head. But his business acumen, can we
say it's unmatched? I mean, it's ridiculous when you think
about where the Dallas Cowboys are and what they've been
able to do from evaluation standpoint. And I think part
of it too is also I mean, you do have
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a loyal fan base. I mean, the Cowboys fan base
is massive, again, spanning different generations, geographies worldwide, going back
to an icon that star and America's team, and it's
hard to argue some of that, and it just shows
you that, yes, winning is obviously very important, but you
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can sustain some of that based on history, and I
think the Dallas Cowboys have been able to do that.
My question though, is how will things continue? Can the
Cowboys continue this type of rise and not have some
type of playoff success. I don't know the answer to that, Tray.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I I almost feel like they probably can, and that's
because the Dallas Cowboys are at a very rarefied air
in the fact that there's not too many brands or people,
if you will, whatever you want to whatever, wherever you
want to go with it, that you could look at
and go people either love them or hate them. There
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is no middle ground with the Dallas Cowboys. People do
not just generally go h Dallas whatever. You either dislike
the Dallas Cowboys or you love them, you're a fan.
And that right there is kind of what it's a
perpetual in motion kind of thing. It's a self churning
thing because people are gonna watch because they hate the
Dallas Cowboys. People are gonna watch because they love the
Dallas Cowboys, and that's all there is to it. People
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want to watch them fail or people that love them
want to watch them win, and that is I don't
know how you take that away, because if the Dallas
Cowboys continue to just stay bad, it's great for everybody.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
That hates them.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Well, of course it's still being talked about it because
we put these expectations on the Cowboys each and every year.
And I think part of it is because they are
the most valued franchise. So if you're the most valued franchise,
you have to be good. That's part of you had
to live up to the expectations there in the NFL.
And also remember we've talked about it several times, you know,
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rising tide lifts all boats, and I think that's part
of it as well. The NFL. I mean, the overall
value of the NFL is just continuing to soar. Again
when you look at some of these valuations, the average
franchise is seven billion dollars, you know, from a valuation standpoint.
So I mean even some of the worst franchises quote
unquote worst franchises, I mean, they're still worth billions of dollars.
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And so you've got all of these media deals, the
private equity investments. You've got to obviously what we've just
recently seen with ESPN and the NFL and the NFL
becoming a ten percent owner in ESPN. I mean, there's
something about the NFL, and you know, it's a money
printing machine, so to speak. And even though the Cowboys
(43:21):
have had a lack of playoff success, and that's what
we talk about the most important Yeah, think about this
five and twelve since nineteen ninety five, I mean, that
is insane when you think about it, and obviously that's
frustrating a lot of the fans, But the financial model
of the Dallas Cowboys continues to thrive because also you've
(43:42):
got the NFL's lucrative ecosystem and again printing that money.
But it does seem that the Cowboys are the gold standard.
They're in the NFL and the gold standard of professional
sports organizations because they continue to outpace the success that
is on the field versus the success that we see
(44:05):
from evaluation standpoint. And I do believe Jerry Jones does
need to get credit for the business side of things.
But at some point you've got to do the right
things to have the best roster, to have your team
have postseason success and try to win another Super Bowl championship.
All Right, we're gonna hit this break real quick and
(44:26):
we'll continue this Thursday edition of the Richmond Weaver Show
presented by Ingles Markets right after this live from Group
Therapy downtown Greenville here in Camperdown Plaza, The Thursday edition
of the Richmond Weavers Show presented by Ingles Markets continues
as we are wrapping up our number one and coming
(44:46):
up in our number two at four fifteen, we will
have Brian Kite, author of Dailydiscipline dot com. He will
join us to talk a little bit more about behavior,
sports performance and in life and how you can excel
and taking a look at some of the things that
we saw over the past weekend in the world of sports,
(45:08):
we got some thoughts about some things that happened and
how you can use the equation E plus R equals oh,
event plus response equals outcome to help you perform. And
there might have been something going on in the world
of golf where Tommy fleetwood Man I thought he had
(45:29):
a thought he was going to be weekend's best there
mister Falco, that he was going to be able to
finally get a tour victory there on the PGA Tour,
but came up just a little bit short, and Brian
and I were actually texting over the weekend when it
was happening, so we definitely wanted to talk about that
and get some of his insights. And also, yes, when
(45:50):
we come back, we've had a little clip I want
to play from Dabo Sweeney on the Jim Rome Show
and he's actually talking about the Dallas Cowboy. We'll see
what mister Dabosweeney has to say about the Dallas Cowboys.
So make sure you stick with this right here as
we're going to hit this brake at the top of
(46:11):
the hour and we'll continue this Thursday edition of the
Richmond Weavers Show presented by Ingles Markets right here on
one oh four nine Fox Sports Upstate. Yeah, so stay
right here, much more right after this
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