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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ready to roll this Monday right here on one O
four nine Fox Sports Upstate. This is the Monday edition
of the Richmond Weaver Show, presented by Ingles Markets. And
yes we are out on the air, no technical issues
now because the producer, extraordinary, mister Trey Falco behind the
board and behind the mic is back with us once again.

(00:23):
And the key that I just said behind the board,
that is the key right there, is that mister Fouc
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(01:06):
everything out on the air as we needed to on Friday.
But now mister Falco was back and we were so
glad to have you back. It's going to be back, yes,
it is, no question. I know you had some family
things going on and things that are moving in a
positive direction with your daughter, So thoughts and prayers with that,
and very glad to hear all of that is moving
in that forward, positive direction. But it was NFL Draft, Oh,

(01:30):
yes it was. And there's a lot of talk about
the NFL Draft, and yes, we can do the cliche
winners and losers of the NFL Draft, and we'll talk
about that throughout the week, and no question, because there's
definitely some interesting picks and some scenarios playing out that
could be I guess from a fan perspective, it might

(01:53):
be positive, but it might be negative. And there's so
many things that still have to be worked out. We
need to talk about the NBA playoffs and now with
the La Lakers in a significant hole, yes, down three
games to one against Minnesota and Edwards and so we'll
talk about that also. But we were talking off air

(02:14):
before we got on and the NFL Draft and how
you felt that it seemed to be entertaining, or at
least you were engaged because there was the shadeor Sanders thing, right,
and everybody's talking about that in every terms of the fall. Yeah,
and I know he went in the fifth round, and
I would have to say that Dion was right. He

(02:34):
was top five, just top five five rounds.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
He didn't say he was top five overall. You're right,
I think he did. He just said he's going to
be top five pick. We just didn't get the clarification.
The positive was, yes, in the top five rounds. But
from your perspective, because I know you had mentioned you
were watching the NFL Network broadcast of it and how
you broadcast, how you were engaged in the NFL Draft

(02:59):
this twenty twenty five season.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, you know, in years past, I would mostly just
watch kind of the first round because that's that's the
big pomp and circumstance, Right, It's like, okay, we're kicking
off the draft, of course, and all the guys are
walking up and you get you get all this details
on them, and it's it's a big thing. And then
you kind of get into Friday and it's like this
is kind of cool, Like maybe we'll see what they
get in the second round or the third round. Probably
by the third round you've kind of tuned out, and

(03:22):
then definitely like Saturday, maybe I'll just check in on
my phone. But this this year, because of the whole
Shador Sanders thing, it was engaging in the sense of
I was like, okay, well, where's he gonna land? And
the further I watched, I was like, okay, well we
made it through the second round and there's there's no
Chador and I'm like, all right, well, surely he's gonna
get picked up in the third, and then it didn't happen,
and I was like, well, now I gotta watch tomorrow

(03:43):
because I got to figure out if he's gonna go
on there. And he didn't go in the fourth, and
so it was kind of I lost a little bit
of interest. I kind of had it on in the background,
but it was loud enough that I could every time
there was a pick, I'd look over and I was like,
it's not Shador, and I'd look and go, okay, well
Vegas is coming up. He'll probably go to Vegas. Now no,
and then okay, well New Orleans, Well that's right, they
got shocked. Now we won't go to New Orleans. And

(04:04):
then I'm I was like, will the Steelers pick him
up just way later, and then the Browns of all
team and to get him Yeah, bizarre.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, And I know there's been a lot of talk
about should or Sanders and at nauseum. I get that,
and I do understand that, but I do want to
talk about it, but from a different angle though, because
the draft is done right and the storyline that we

(04:36):
just talked about has been burning up all of the shows,
and that's obviously the Chaudore Sanders slide to the fifth round.
But this is where I got really frustrated with the coverage,
and not so much that they were talking about Shoudoor Sanders.
And I know that it's part of it that maybe
you're taking away from the ability of talking about the

(04:58):
players that did get drafted and being able to highlight
those players and give them their flowers.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Cam Ward, I mean, I feel like we talked about
cam Ward all of twenty seconds and it was right
on to all right, well then to go that takes.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Away from cam Ward. He was first overall, like there's
no doubt. But what really frustrated me the most was
some of the pundits screaming collusion or even the race
card and I'm here to tell you this is why
I'm so frustrated about it, because it's absolute nonsense. Yes,
and it's absolutely ridiculous. So you have to look at

(05:32):
some of the facts and not just go off your feelings. Right,
I'm a big Hey, you trust your gut, but you
know me too. I'm a data guy, I'm a analyst,
I'm a stats nerd. I love that type of information.
Oh yes, because can that help you contextualize a story?
Can that bring more of information to it rather than

(05:53):
just feelings? And that's where I felt that these people
were just going off of feelings or just going off
of lazy narrative just quickly to get some type of
hot take out there. So remember Shadoor Sanders picked in
the first round, excuse me, in the fifth round, but
he was projected as a first round right type of

(06:14):
draft pick. And then you had the stephen A. Smiths,
Then you had the Chad Johnson's o, Joe Sinko suggest
and even I heard a Courtney Cronin on ESPN Radio.
She even suggested that there were NFL owners and gms
that colluded against Shador Sanders and even to compare it

(06:36):
to Colin Kaepernick's situation. Oh wow. And then you had
the rumors floating that Sanders could have sued the NFL
if he went undrafted, could have sued the NFL if
he went drafted. He had a truth or daron on that. Yes,

(06:56):
I do know that that would be very detrimental if
you tried to sue the NFL for not being drafted.
And we'll talk about that, but first I want to
talk about the collusion narrative and how it's laughable because
NFL history does prove that talent trumps everything in the NFL.
History shows that no matter what the baggage the NFL,

(07:22):
they will give you benefit of the doubt to a
certain degree. Now like the Ray Rice because there's video
of him hitting a female that seemed to be the line,
but in other scenarios larger than life personas as long
as their talent is undeniable, you're going to find a
spot in the NFL, even some of the off field issues.

(07:42):
If your talent is undeniable, you will find a spot
in the NFL. I mean you can look at Michael
Vick despite all of the concerns about his unconventional style
and even the off the field scrutiny, he went to prison, right,
and he's still giving a second chance. This is Michael Vick,
Johnny Manziel. Think about that guy who there are a

(08:04):
lot of questions about his personality, his persona, and his
work ethic, but he was still a guy that first
round pick by the Browns because they felt there was upside.
And look at Deshan Watson with the Browns and how
ironic is with the Browns here that given a guy
another opportunity signing to Sean Watson to the craziest contract

(08:27):
we've ever seen in NFL history. And I get it
though that there's you know, the talk about it, but
when you look at some of the facts, the slide
wasn't about collusion or race or even Dion's influence. And

(08:49):
I know there's talk about, oh, Dion, he was going
to come in and he was going to be disruptive,
you know all of that, and I think that's just
Dion being Dion being prime time time time. Yeah, how
realistic was that going to be? I don't know how
realistic that was going to be. But here's some of
the red flags if you're looking at it from a

(09:09):
factual standpoint, as far as the evaluation for Sanders scouting
reports noted good but not elite arm strength, average accuracy
on short throws, and a slow release time almost three seconds,
which was one hundred and tenth in FBS of all
the quarterbacks. And then you combine that with poor combined

(09:33):
interviews and where Sanders reportedly came off as entitled, unprepared,
unable to explain schematic packages, and then yes, I do
think there's something to be said about Dion's public comments
and trying to dictate the draft destinations a lah a
John Elway type of situation or an Eli Manning type

(09:56):
of situation. But if the NFL were colluding against Sanders
due to his persona or family, you know, why have
we seen the NFL draft high profile controversial quarterbacks in
the past. Because the NFL, this is what we know, Trey,
they thrive on star power, right, not shunning star power.

(10:20):
They want the star power whatever it takes. Of course,
they want the shield to be elevated by these stars,
because we already know it's not the same as like basketball,
where you see the face all the time. These guys
are behind a mask, yeah, with a helmet, So anything
they can do to promote some of these stars. They

(10:41):
want to be able to do that because ultimately that
promotes the shield. Yep, that elevates the shield. And now
what about the draft math? This is what I find
interesting too, because here's the whole theory that the collusion
the entire NFL was against Shadu or Sanders, right GM,
NFL owners coaches all colluded to say, don't draft should

(11:06):
do or Sanders. But how about this, how many teams
actually needed a quarterback in this draft?

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Like four?

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I said, maybe seven eight teams that actually needed realistically
a quarterback. And I think Sanders also probably not a
perfect fit for a lot of these teams anyway. So
you look at Tennessee, Yes, they needed a quarterback. I
forgot about Tennessee cam Ward. They took cam Ward. You
got the Giants, they took Jackson Dart to develop behind

(11:39):
a Russell Wilson, a Jameis Winston. The Saints, as you mentioned,
took Tyler Shook as a backup to Derek Carr. The
Browns they took Dylan Gabriel before it should dour Sanders,
signaling to everybody that they saw him as a developmental piece,

(12:00):
not a starter. The Seahawks may they picked Jalen Milroe,
which I kind of like that pick at ninety two.
I was a little salty. I'm not kinna lock. I
was okay to fall a little bit as a Steelers,
You're Steelers. They passed on Sanders despite do they have
a quarterback? I mean it's uncertainty, right, is Aaron Rodgers

(12:21):
going to be the guy? Or is it Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I have heard people they are speculating that there is
a handshake deal in place right now with Aaron Rodgers
because after four pm today, when you sign guys, it
doesn't count against your your comp picks for next year.
And so that might be what the Steelers are waiting
on with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
We will see. I have no idea. Nobody knows. Nobody knows,
and I guess that's part of it because even like
the Raiders still need right a QB. But they invested
an offensive line. Yeah, we know how important offensive line
is though, so they felt that that was more valuable,
yes than as Shurter Sanders and even the Dolphins grabbed
when you were there in round seven, which was basically

(13:04):
a low risk type of flyer type of life right there,
but half the league Bill's Patriots, Ravens, Bengals, Texans, Jaguars, Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Eagles, Commanders, Vikings, Packers, Bears, Buccaneers,
Falcons had no need for starting QB out prospect, So
that automatically reduces how many teams would even want to

(13:27):
write select a quarterback, So they're part of the collusion. Also, hey,
we don't even need a quarterback, but yeah, don't draft right,
right schaudor Sanders. It makes absolutely no sense. And again
knowing that these teams, they're making such calculated football decisions

(13:48):
based on their boards, not a league wide vendetta. And
I think that's the big thing because not only is
the draft, but also the NFL and sports and that's
why we love it. Is the ultimate meritocracy, right, It's
based on your merits, not on a soap opera by
NFL owners and gms getting in a room or getting

(14:10):
on a phone call and saying do not take Shador Sanders.
That absolutely is madness. It makes zero sense, and it's
a shame that we have some of these pundits out
there trying to speculate that well.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
And what irks me the most about it is that
this quote unquote slide of Shador is it not a
manufactured slide? What got me the most listening to the
day of that Thursday, it was a bunch of people
on network talking about, oh, well, you know, the Steelers
have to take Shador at twenty one, they need, you know.

(14:45):
But then in the same breath would go, but you know,
like last year, you know Shador would be considered like
a second round pick, And I'm like, well, then, why
are you trying to force him as a first round
pick on me? If in any other draft class he
would be a second rounder or worse or worse? Doesn't
that you're speaking out of both sides your mouth right here?
I was like, I don't believe for a second that
he's a first round. If you're not gonna tell me
that he's a first round, why should I take that

(15:06):
risk at twenty one if I'm the Steelers or any
other team there definitely at the Browns at too, trading
back to what five they shouldn't take should wear there? No,
it's a manufactured slide. I think any other draft this
is probably where you would.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Land it anyways.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
And I also think if it wasn't Dion Sanders' son
probably wouldn't be in the conversation. I think there's something
to be said about his dad being a famous, prime
time NFL superstar.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
He just has to be a great player. That doesn't connect.
That's not how that works, ye, And I think it
also just showcases to your point, how it's primetime, it's
Dion Sanders, it's Hall of Fame, yes, Dion Sanders, and
the NFL still said, uh uh, thank you. Your son's
not good enough to be a top pick in this

(15:54):
NFL draft. Sorry, we love you, Dion, but he's just
not good enough right based on his merits. And that's
why just even the thought, the absurdity that somebody would
say that, oh, the NFL is very lucky that Shadoor
Sanders was drafted because Shaudor could have filed a lawsuit

(16:14):
against the NFL, and that notion is absolutely ridiculous and
ignores how the draft works and even undermines legitimate discussions
that you could have about race or some type of
bias or some collusion. The NFL draft is a competitive
process where teams select based on need, fit, and evaluation.

(16:40):
There's no obligation to draft any player regardless of hype,
Sanders wasn't entitled to a first round slot or even
he's not even entitled to be draftedact at all. No
legal precedent exists for a player sue in the NFL
over not being drafted. Even Colin Kaepernick's collusion case, which
was settled back in twenty nineteen, was about post draft

(17:03):
black bawling with some evidence of coordinated exclusion, not draft decisions.
So suggesting a lawsuit trivializes again some of the real
issues and fuel's baseless conspiracy theories. And I'm talking to
you Chad Johnson, because he was one of the ring
leaders about this, And even again I heard Courtney Cronin

(17:23):
over the weekend talking about it, and I just don't
understand it. So I know, Shudor Sanders he slid, but
it was because of his tape, his interviews, and simple draftmath,
not some shadowy NFL plot behind the scenes, none of that,
no conspiracy theory whatsoever. That's why you have to take

(17:44):
some of the feelings out of it and just go
with the facts. Now, the other fact that I found
very disturbing and very frustrating, what's the print call situation?
Oh Man Yeah, I didn't realize that happened to Cooper
Degen too, and happened to Tyler Warren, Oh did it.
I don't realize it happened to I didn't even hear
about that.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
So, And apparently the reports are, according to Tom Pella
Sero NBC, that they do believe the area code and
or the phone number matches up to the phone that
called Shador Sanders. So if that's the case, we already
know who it is. Well, yeah, yeah, it's Jack's Oldbrook,
the son of Jeff Olbrook of the Atlanta Falcons. And

(18:27):
that's just ridiculous that somebody would stoop to that type
of level. And it's just a sign of where we
are with social media and wanting to go viral.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
And the video pranks, the vid pranks, I guess is
what the kids call it. And it's absolutely bizarre. I
don't understand the concept of trying to why you want
to try to deceive somebody, And if you think it's
funny content, yeah, and maybe you think it's going to
go viral and you don't think you're going to get

(19:02):
caught your video there's evidence. Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely insane.
But that's where we are with this whole social media
world at times. And I get it also just even
from the perspective that there's so much content out there,
and I would, why do you need feel the need

(19:24):
to record everything in your life?

Speaker 6 (19:25):
Right?

Speaker 1 (19:27):
And I'm saying this to some of the draftees that
they're there in, you know, their legendary room that Shador
Sanders had, you know, and you've got these camera crews
following you around, and it just makes for some awkward
moments when you're in that type of situation. And I

(19:48):
just don't understand why we feel the need that you
have to record every piece of content of your life,
and then even more so that you have to record
yoursel of trying to prank somebody, right, and one of
their big moments. And regardless if you think he deserves
getting drafted or not, it doesn't deserve to be pranked on.

(20:11):
He deserves respect. He's a human being. Yeah, so why
can't we respect all human beings?

Speaker 6 (20:17):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (20:18):
And that's a different tangent, but I was really frustrated
and that there was this talk.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
That it was.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Some type of coordinated scenario that played out of why
Shador Sanders fell to the fifth round, and there's just
not the tape. Everything about right how he is as
a player, just didn't fit with some of the teams
in the NFL. That's the reality of it. And again

(20:48):
it's the ultimate meritocracy. And I think that's how exactly
how the NFL Draft played out. And the big thing is,
I know right now for Shador Sanders, capitalize on this. Yeah,
you have the opportunity now to be the underdog. You're
getting more coverage than you might have actually gotten if
you were a top five pick. Yeah, because of all this,

(21:10):
So take advantage of it and go work your butt off,
get ready to try to compete for a starting position
there in Cleveland. Yes, And I mean, look like one
we talked, they talked about Shador.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
They're still talking about Shadoor, but talked about him literally
every pick of the draft. It felt like we talked
about Shador for three days. But I don't know if
he could have landed in a better place. Look, I
get that there's five quarterbacks in Cleveland, but I definitely
think that Shador has the capability to be a starter
there in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
He's going up against Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Dylan Gabriel, You got Joe Flacco and then Deshaun you
know he's he's out for the season anyway, so you
don't even have.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
To put it there. So he's got it.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
He's in a good position where he can come out
and start this season even being a fifth round, six
round Pickkett, can you Pikett is twenty seven, right, Dylan
Gabriel was just drafted.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
His twenty five. Deshaun Watson, who you mentioned, he's still
got the injury. He's thirty. Joe Flacco is forty, and
Dion joke that, hey, Joe Flacco's is the same age
as me. Yeah, DM's fifty seven. So there is that,
and then you've got Shador at twenty three. Right, this
is your opportunity. Part of this is the big thing
also with the NFL draft. It's one thing to be drafted,

(22:22):
but now this is when it really begins. Yes, it's
not over. That's not getting drafted is not the endpoint, right,
You have to make the roster exactly and you and
so now Shadoor Sanders, you have to be just like
every other player that was drafted and go earn your
spot on that fifty three man roster, and I don't

(22:43):
care what anybody says. There was nothing collusive about this
and some type of coordinated opportunity to keep Shador Sanders
down and to penalize him because he comes from he
comes from a privileged life. Right, There's no question that
is not what happened, at least from my perspective, Not

(23:04):
that I know one hundred percent, but I can just
tell you I've looked at this closely enough and it's
not the case. Let us know your thoughts. Eight six
four two four zero five four a zero. We got
to hit this brake. We've got a caller on hold.
We'll get you in right after this break. Much more
of this Monday edition of the Richmond Weaver Show, percented
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Studios in downtown Greenville, right here on North Main Street.
A beautiful day here in the Upstate as we are
winding through this month of April. You know, local schools,
they don't have a month left of schools at all.
A month.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yes, the school year went by just like that, right,
But we're not talking about how fast time it goes by, right. Yeah,
we did make sure that we were not going to
say that here on the Richmond Weaver Show presented by
Ingles Markets, but it is something to keep an eye on.
But we always want you to join the conversation. And
eight six four two four zero five four eight zero

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and let's head out to the Engles hot line right now.
We've got Delvin on the line, and good afternoon to you, sir.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
To you man, what a crazy weekend with the draft. Yeah,
so the drive to the first round. Then you had
that point phone call, which was ridiculous. Man, they sh'll
put the kids put on tmulator and let's see his
raising if they would be wrong with him to do
that as much about the likelihood, but I like what
the Panthers did. A lot of people that like the
first round of people because there was a rough but
it took to the defense in a leather rounds and

(24:33):
I think they did a good job.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, And obviously there was questions in terms of with
the Panthers go defense or offense right early on, and
I think they made the best decision because I think
from an offensive standpoint, you need to give Bryce Young
some weapons and then you knew you still had time
to try to get some holes filled on the defensive

(24:55):
side a little bit later in the draft because not
too many wide receivers are are going to be capable
talent wise as McMillan there, So you had to get
him there in that first round. And we also saw
that the Panthers were able to sign Hunter renfro, so
there's another weapon for Bryce Young Delvin.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was a big move to get
a big move.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Well, now the the interesting thing, Oh, I think so too. Yeah.
I mean, I again, a possession type of guy in Devon.
We do appreciate the phone call there. You call anytime
and anytime you have a possession type of a receiver
in the NFL. That's why I was actually surprised that
he didn't stay in the league a little bit longer

(25:44):
than he did in terms of, you know, now this
break and was he going to retire or not and
then now refocus and you know, trying to come back
into the league because how many times have we seen
possession type of receivers. And it's not like he was
playing poorly with the Raiders, right, I mean, this is
a guy that was a vital part of their offense

(26:05):
relative to his position, and so I do think there's
something to be said about having a clutch guy. And
we saw it how many times when he was with
the Clemson Tigers. When you needed six yards, he would
give you six and a half yards. When you needed
one catch to keep the sticks moving somehow, Hunter Renfro

(26:27):
would make a catch. And that's something to be said
in the NFL, because how many times have we talked
Trey that it's not the home run that you see,
the big, the long bombs in the Nile, they're nice,
the big long touchdown passes. It's all about continuing a drive.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Well, I think that's the most important thing. You look
at the Chiefs, you go, oh, why are the Chiefs
so dominant? Travis Kelcey, that's all he does. He's such
a good guy that if you just need three yards,
you dump it off to Kelsey and he's just somehow
always there and can get you just enough. He don't
make the big splash plays, not running breaking away for
eighty yards. He gets you the first down, and that's
more important than anything in the NFL, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
All Right. The other thing I do see, we've got
a caller on the line. You stay with us right now,
we'll get to you in just one quick second because
I didn't want to mention mel Kuiper the mail Kaliper
melt down, and it was all around Shador Sanders. And
I know we're continuing the Shador Sanders talk track, but

(27:31):
it is interesting because just last week and even Delvin
had called in talking about the fact that and you know,
and Chad had called in, excuse me, talking about mel
Kuiper and potentially getting into the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
that Dan Patrick was wanting to push the envelope and

(27:53):
have mel Kuiper inducted into the Pro Football Hall of
Fame because of his contributions to the draft and how
much attention that we have on the draft now. But
I do think that mel Kiper took things way too
personally based on his evaluation of Shador Sanders and how

(28:13):
he almost took it that people were criticizing him because
they did not take Shador Sanders until the fifth round
and that's not it at all, And for him to
go on to that rant the way he did and
get in an argument with Lewis Riddick and Rhys Davis
and talking bad about the NFL and saying they've been

(28:34):
getting it wrong for fifty years as far as evaluating
quarterbacks and re summed it up. Hey, nobody bats a
thousand in this draft process, because it is an art,
not a science. And I'm sorry. I don't think the
NFL has been getting it wrong for fifty years. I
think they've done a hell of a job being able

(28:55):
to evaluate players based on how difficult it is. Sure this,
but look at how many times they've gotten it right right,
And there's just something to be said that, Hey, mel
you have been tremendous to the NFL and the production
of the NFL draft and all of that, but you

(29:17):
just can't take this so personally that or personal that
your evaluation was that far off. Because the reports are
that Milk Kuiper had should or Sanders the number one quarterback.
Oh he did, yeah, yeah, in this draft. And if
you're a prognosticator, you can't have the number one overall

(29:37):
pick dropped to the fifth round. And yeah, I do
understand his frustration, but should he not flip it now
saying okay, all right, just wait, trust my evaluation. You
just wait and we'll see how it plays out. Because
I can also tell you Milki was not right one

(29:57):
hundred percent of the time there is just not the
reality of it. So I just thought that was a
little bit of h poor sportsmanship by mel kay Pa.
That's a good way to put it. Yeah, and so
let us know your thoughts though again eight six four
two four zero five four eight zero And let's head
out to the Ingles Healt line right now, the Richmond

(30:18):
Weavers show. Who's this, Hey, guys, Charles, how you doing
doing fantastic? Did you say, Charles, Yes, yes, Charles, thank
you for calling in. We appreciate it. What's on your mind?

Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yeah? So, uh, Richmond, I think your explanation is actually
probably as indefensible as the guys that are saying collusion
or whatever else. It really doesn't matter. Why here's the issue.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
If anybody can say.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
And they're mock drafting, you guys did like eight million
of them and there mark draft any of them. Had
Dylan Gabriel going before Shador Sanders, I'd be interested in
seeing that MB or a team that took Dylan Gabriel

(31:13):
before Shaedor Sanders to then turn around and get Shador Sanders.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
Doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
This was a kid that had the top completion percentage
in Division one football, the top.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Right, not the top ten top that you know that already.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
Synthesizes all of the accuracy, armstrings, timing, all of that
stuff put together, not to mention the fact that he
was behind a Swiss Cheese offensive line getting hit by
a two x four side to head every play and
standing in the pocket and still delivering pretty accurate throws.

(32:04):
So the question isn't whether there was some type of
collect I think people that are grasping that collusion are
trying to figure out how in the world some of
the people that selected him in front of him could
have been selected in front of him. I don't see
how you select Jack and Dart in front of him, right,
So that's what the discussion should have been. Now the

(32:28):
draft is over and everything goes to the field, that's right.
I agree with you, And I haven't heard Shador doing
any of this complaining that people are talking about.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Every clip I've.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
Seen from him has been him saying, Hey, it's disappointing,
but I'm going to be happy wherever I go. Once
he was drafted. I haven't seen him bemoaning this. I
don't care what his father says, I don't care what
people around him, says he's a guy that's going to
be on the field.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
And believes me if they put him head to head in.

Speaker 6 (33:02):
Camp against Dylan Gabriel, Dylan Gabriel as zero chance. And
you all of the talk we heard about uh, Skylar
Murray's or Kylum height and the kid at at the

(33:24):
Panthers height. How in the world did you pick somebody
five ten who you know at the end of the day,
if you really look at his numbers, his numbers weren't
that great above we don't even have to just limit
it to Shador. He was chosen a bunch of in

(33:45):
front of a bunch of I don't see how he's
chosen in front of Queen yours. He was chosen in
front of a bunch of qbs that there's no way
that guy names come off the board first period. So
you know, I don't want to entertain streame conversations of oh,
it's collusion or it's racism or any of that other
stuff that allows people to get excited and avoid the

(34:09):
truth of the matter and why this is disturbing at
the end of the day, the NFL does not have
a good track record of evaluating, especially quarterback talent. Some
of the best quarterbacks have been lord draft picks. That's historical,
so it's not a master Should he have been first,

(34:30):
I couldn't care less. I think he went to a
good situation because they don't have any quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
In that room.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
There's something to be said that Charles West.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
All right.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
So my question though, is Charles, from an NFL standpoint,
does this not showcase once again? Have we talked about that?
Trying to evaluate these players and how they're going to
translate to the next level the NFL and how good
they can be what they're ceiling is it is so difficult,

(35:06):
and it's so difficult from a sports perspective, but it's
also very difficult in a life perspective. When people are
hiring people in just companies, it's hard to predict how
successful people are going to be. So we can look
at track records and the NFL and the most challenging

(35:28):
position to evaluate is the quarterback and there's so many
variables that go into it. So it's not and I
agree with you, the draft is done, Okay, we don't
need to talk about it anymore. He fail whatever, However,
because of fit schemes, evaluations, whatever it is. But now

(35:49):
it's Shador Sanders has the opportunity and the ultimate meritocracy.
Go out there and prove it and earn it, and
then you can show people that, Okay, you were wrong
with where I was drafted.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
Yeah, and richly you're right about this being something that's
general and the cause of it is exactly the same
back in the day. You know, I'm six or five
years old. I can remember when a quarterback was drafted
and he didn't see the field for two years, right,
you know, he said somebody and learned the position. Well,
the same was true in companies. I mean, you didn't

(36:24):
get hired by company and all of a sudden you
were the guy, right, and you've learned from people. Well,
the fact that we have a microwave now and that's
gone is the problem.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
You know.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
Now you have a big hit all of a sudden,
and that's just not the way the world works, man.
I mean, nobody is born a superstar. So there is
some you know, unfairness of you know, to to that extent,
you have the you know, the unicorn every once in

(36:58):
a while that can go from high school to the pros.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
And all that other kind of good stuff. But that's
just not norm man.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
It's a completely different level of competition that all of
these guys are stepping into. I don't care how great
we think they are, but the still remains what bothers
me about the draft. I honestly, I honestly was good
until that kids from Oregon came off the board. I'm like,

(37:32):
these guys must be on crack cocaine that they pick
him before several of the guys that were still left
on the board. I just I don't get that.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Now.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
I'm not in exact never will be an NFL, but
that one was that didn't make sense to me.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, I completely understand your point of view, Charles, And
the one thing, you might not be an NFL exec,
but you can call in here anytime because we appreciate
your thoughts, your sentiments, and your opinions, and we appreciate
you being a listener. Thank you, Charles, appreciate you, Yes, sir,
and anybody else, you can be an investor into the conversation.

(38:15):
And as I've always said, yes, I know you're a listener,
but you're investing your time and having your opinion does
impact the show and allows us to continue to have
some of these dialogues. And it's not black and white,
but that's life. It's gray areas in so many different aspects.
But the one thing that I do know is that

(38:36):
we'll take your calls anytime. Eight six four two four
zero five four eight zero. And we've got to take
this break and we've back for much more this Monday
edition of The Richmond Weaver Show, presented by Ingles Markets.
Right after this, the NBA Playoffs continue tonight, the Cavaliers
in the heat at seven point thirty on TNT as
Cleveland tries to end this series as they're up three

(38:57):
to zero right now, and the Warriors, Steph Curry and
the rest of the Warriors there taking on the Rockets
there in Golden State as they are up to one
in that series also, and that's at ten PM tonight.
But we did have the Knicks take a three to
one lead over the Pistons last night, getting the victory
ninety four to ninety three and a controversial call, and

(39:18):
the rest the officials did say they made a mistake
and that Tim Hardaway Junior should have been going to
the free throw line with an opportunity to win the
game at the end of the Celtics up three to
one as they beat the Magic one oh seven to
ninety eight. And oh the Milwaukee Bucks. We heard the news.
Damian Lillard out as the Pacers win one twenty nine

(39:39):
to one oh three as they take a three to
one series lead. And then the big one, Yes, the
Minnesota Timberwolves. Anthony Edwards up three to one over the Lakers.
And there's one thing if you go watch some of
that game. And I know NBA playoffs more physical, I
get all of that, but Anthony Edwards, man, he comes
at you like a freight train. He is not slowing

(40:02):
down whatsoever. And I think, yeah, he's definitely showcasing what
a star he is. Forty three points, nine rebounds and
six assists in that victory, one sixteen to one thirteen.
Is now they take a three to one lead over
the LA Lakers. As you're listening to the Monday edition
of the Richmond Weavers Show, presented by Ingles Markets, join
the conversation two four zero five four eight zero. Again

(40:24):
that numbers eight sixty four two four zero five four
eight zero, and let's head out to the Ingles Hotline.
Right now, We've got Billy on the line, good afternoon
to you, sir, Good.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Afternoon, gentlemen. Uh you set that up beautifully for me.
So I'll start with Anthony Edwards first. I don't know.
I'm sure you remember this conversation. I've called you several
times in the last couple of years, talking specifically about
him as an individual talent. And you know I was
when I was younger, I was a big Philadelphia fan
because I loved Doctor J. As I got older, I

(40:53):
became a Spurs fan because of David Robinson is and
Tim Duncan and the you know, the big three at
that point, Parker and Jenoble and and I have become
a huge Minnesota fan only because of Anthony Edwards. And
I remember when he was coming out. You know, he
was a hydrat choice. We both know that, and you know,
phenomenal talent, you can see it. But I remember something
that this stuck with me, being a football guy. So

(41:14):
he wanted to play football. He liked football more than basketball.
And I remember telling you this. I don't know if
you remember this, but you can see it in the
way that he plays. He plays an aggressive, physical style
like he's a football player. Yes, this happens to be
with a basketball in his hand.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
That's right, there is no question about it. I think
there's times he forgets he's out on the hardwood. He
thinks he's still out on the field. Believe because I
mean he is pushing, he is shoving, he is hitting.
If you watch him Garden Lebron James down the stretch
last night, Lebron had no answer for how hard Anthony
Edwards was coming at him. To the fact that Lebron

(41:48):
did not score in the fourth quarter of that game,
that's pretty impressive.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Well, it's probably very rare even at this stage. And listen,
it's not apples to apples because Bron is not at
the same stage that Edwards is. We both know that
n is basically there's differences, right, But it's still impressive
because I doubt that there's It's rare that there's people
in the NBA they physically can match the Lebraune strength,

(42:13):
and I bet that Edwards can. I would agree anyway, yep.
And I think genuinely that they're going to win an
NBA championship in the next two or three years, if
not this year, we'll see. Anyway, let's transition to the NFL.
I agree with a lot of what I heard Charles say,
but not everything. The one mistake I think he made
is he kept drawing parallels to what Cleveland did in
the quarterback room, And when's the last time they've drafted

(42:36):
well at quarterback? If you name one, it'll be the
first one that I can remember.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Hey, it's very difficult to do. That's why they've had
what is it over twenty quarterback since nineteen ninety nine
or maybe some orders. It's some ridiculous number that the
Cleveland Browns have had at quarterback, So that could be
their kryptonite and just being able to select a quarterback
for their organization.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
And the other thing is when was the last time
that they had a good quarterback period? The last one
I remember that was halfway decent was Bernie Kosler, Bernie
kar And he wasn't great. And that was what the
late nineties, early mid to late nineties when he played there,
he wasn't even great. It might have been even earlier
than that. It could have been the eighties, but either way,
he wouldn't. He was a top probably ten talent. But

(43:22):
if you start looking at what he could do with
his arf, strength and everything, he wouldn't even you know,
I bet there was probably backups that had stronger arms
than he did. Then it just goes to prove that
it's not an exact science. But I agree with your
assessment that before that call Richmond, they definitely hit much
more the name of this. Does that mean they're at
one hundred percent, No, but I don't think that. I
think they're a way above fifty percent.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, it's very difficult, and Billy, we do appreciate the
phone call, sir. We got to hit this break for
the top of the hour. Thank you call anytime a friend. Yes,
And I think there's something to be said about it.
They're not going to get it right all the time.
We can look through the list and many examples they
didn't get it right, but there's also examples where they
did get it right. And I would say there's many

(44:04):
examples from that perspective. Also, much more of this Monday
edition of the Richmond Weavers Show presented by Ingles Markets.
Right after this, all right, remember everybody, the BMW Charity
program presented by TDCINX is coming back to Greenville the
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(44:25):
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(44:49):
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You do not want to miss it, because we're already here.
At the end of April, April the twenty eighth, right
here on the Monday edition of the Richmond we were
show presented by Ingles Market. So let's walk back in
a little bit of history. What happened on this day.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Let's go back in history to the moments you might
have forgotten and the ones you'll never forget.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
It's OTD On this day, nineteen sixty six, the Boston
Celtics do it again to the Lakers, as they would
beat them ninety five to ninety three in Game seven
for their eighth straight NBA championship. Oh yeah, now, a
little bit different back then, sure, but still eight straight.
That is very difficult to do. How about this? In

(45:34):
two thousand and seven, JaMarcus Russell was the number one
overall pick to the Oakland Raiders. A didn't work an,
I don't think so. Twenty and eleven, Cam Newton the
number one overall pick to the Carolina Panthers worked out,
got them to a right. And then twenty and sixteen,

(45:56):
the Los Angeles Rams would select Jared Golf number one,
and in that same draft the Eagles would select Carson
Wentz right behind him. So again, you just never know
what these drafts. That is OTD. And that is this
Monday edition of the Richmond Weavers Show, presented by Eagles Markets.
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