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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Exploring the latest headlines and in depth conversations. It's the
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
This Tuesday, right here on one O four nine Fox
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And we are in full force today jam Pack Show,
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behind the mic as always, and Darren Angel Truth or
Darren as mister Angels from the Weisch.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Law Firm join us here. So we are ready to roll.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
As I just talked about at the top of the hour,
so many things to get to, so many things that
we have to unpack. And yesterday I felt we had
a real good conversation trying to explore how we affiliate
certain personalities and oh yeah, are they synonymous with the
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team or is a team synonymous with an individual?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And we came up, Darren with a bunch of different examples,
and your Chicago you know, it's Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls.
Those are the easy ones, you know, from that perspective.
But we had great conversation. And also yesterday I didn't
get to this on the text line which is always
open eight six four triple seven ninety five ninety three.
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Again that text line eight six four triple seven ninety
five ninety three, and Texter fifty four fifty three texted
in and said cal Ripken with the Baltimore Orioles, no question.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
And cal Rican Junior though, is also he's one of
those individuals that not only do I associate his name
with a team, but I associate his name with an
amazing accomplishment.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Oh of course, the true iron man.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Who's played in the most consecutive baseball games in Major
League Baseball history, passing Louke Garrig. And that's one of
those records that even lou Garrig, you're thinking, oh, that'll
never be broken, right, and then cal Ripken Junior does
it and so now you you definitely are like in
today's age load management not even close. Is that going
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to be ever touched. I don't even know if we'll
get anybody close to over two thousand consecutive games in
Major League Baseball.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Now that may be the most untouchable or recorded professional
sports at the current juncture. I mean, yeah, all jokes aside,
like to your I don't know if we're going to
two thousand, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, I mean it is amazing when you think about
what cal Ripken Junior was able to do there. So again,
that's one of those individuals that I think you can
associate with two different things, a team and also just
an amazing accomplishment. And so a little bit later though,
we're going to talk about some amateurism and Trey and
I were having a real good discussion yesterday about it,
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and Darren, I want to get your thoughts in terms
of where amateurism is, what it was, and what it
might even look like in the future when we try
to define amateurism and especially where we are in the
landscape of college athletics and even professional sports also right
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calls it is all I know, as much as we
want to separate the two. They're still intertwined and they
have been much more than you really think that we'll
we'll dive into some of that. But NBA playoffs, we
had Game ones last night and just continuing that, we're
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seeing some craziness that can happen when you have the
New York Knicks go on the road into Boston and
win one o eight to one oh five, and then
the joker Jokic does it. I know it wasn't all
just Jokic as Aaron Gordon hits the game winning shot.
There is the Nuggets steal Game one against OKC Thunder
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one twenty one to one nineteen. But two fantastic games
as it's overtime there for the Knicks and the Celtics
and oh so close. We thought there might have been
some overtime scenario that was going to play out for
the Nuggets. But two teams coming back from big deficits
and Trey how many times have we talked about it.
I mean, this is a broken record in terms of
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when you look at NBA scores and Darren, it doesn't
matter if you're up by twenty in the second quarter,
if you're up by twenty in the third quarter. You
can be up by ten with a minute and a
half to go. There's not a lead that is safe
in the NBA. We've talked about it. There are exceptions
or we've seen some blowouts, sure, but when you have
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these type of caliber of teams, it is insane how
a lead is so I mean, it can flip so easily.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Now, absolutely, I mean there's just no opportunity, especially like
you said, at this point in the season with the
teams that are left, you can't step off the gas
because if you take your foot off the gas, there's
a chance that you're going to blow a big lead.
And you know, I think some of it's the games
obviously change a little bit too, with a three point
shot course in team shooting so many more threes that
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you can get back quicker. But to your point, I
think it really ultimately is more of just the caliber
of talent on the right now on all of these teams.
You know, each of these teams left have all world talent,
and all takes one or two guys to get going
and a team to get a little cold, and next
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thing you know, someone's on a heater and a twenty
point lead is gone. In a matter of a couple
of minutes.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
A couple of minutes, the Nuggets ended the game the
last four minutes on a nineteen to six run against
Oklahoma City in Oklahoma City. Now again we can even
talk about rest versus rust when OKC had so much
more time to get ready for this game and heal
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some of their wounds.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Whatever it might be.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But it also allows you to get a little bit
rusty and Denver coming off of that long series against
the Clippers, maybe a little bit more of juice, a
little bit more energy, whatever it was. But here's how
the game ended up. Star Iron Eagle as he finishes
up this fantastic call courtesy of TNT.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Second one for home, great rims out Brown crops it
seven seconds left?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
What's for five seconds? They're telling about what Gordon got it?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Aaron Jordan with a dick shot, William Sweet, No God,
the nugget steal Game one.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
That's a winner for Aaron Jordan. One twenty one till
one nineteen. The anatomy of a.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Comeback, anatomy of a comeback so well produced right there
by TNT and Iron Eagle being able to finalize that
call and put it into perspective as Aaron Gordon hits
the big three point shot right there for the Nuggets.
And again I think Aaron Gordon, I think he gets
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overlooked from his three point shooting capability. I mean, he's
obviously a big man. Three of six though from the
three point line, five of five from the free throw,
seven of fifteen from the field, thirty nine minutes of
action last night.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
But it was the joker, It was Jokic.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
He proved once again that he is almost unstoppable out
on the court. Now, yes, part of it is that
if he's double teamed, yes it's going to be a
little bit harder. But he had forty two points last night,
twenty two rebounds, ten of thirteen from the free throw line.
He didn't shoot the three point shot well, two of six, again,
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that's really not one of his specialties. But he also
had six assists and fifteen of twenty nine from the field,
so just over fifty percent. And there were a few
plays where Darren and I know you've seen this as
a coach and even as a player, where a guy
just has it in his mind and says, all right,
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I'm getting to that spot and you're not stopping me.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I don't care who you put in front of me.
I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Just bull rush my way back my way in whatever
it was. And that's what Jokic did several times. I mean,
he was a man amongst boys. And this is the NBA.
These are all men, and Jokic just made it look
easy at times.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
He's I mean, I know we talk about his greatness,
but and we can be quick too. In this era
of you know, quick hits, we are quick to anoint
somebody good or bad. But what he has done over
the past four or five plus years, I mean we're
looking at an all time great and I don't think
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that's an exaggeration. I mean, he averages a triple double
on the season. To your point, he gets to anywhere
and everywhere he wants on the floor, and he's one
of the few guys in the league that if you
take one thing away from him, he's going to kill
you in something else. If you if you throw two
at him, he he's going to find the open man.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
He's such a good passer, his court vision is insane
at his size, and to your point, you can and
that's the tough part is he can back somebody down,
he can push somebody to the basket, and then when
you do double team him, he'll just find the open man. Yeah,
it's insane.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Now, I mean it's without getting into the weeds. You
have to be very strategic when you bring two it
him on certain spots of the floor, because you could
make an argument that you're putting yourself in your defense
actually in a worse spot by putting two on him
in certain spots, no question.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And I think once he gets into the lane, he
gets to a spot, yeah, don't double team him, no,
cause then he's going to kick it out and guys
are going to be able to hit the three point shot.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Absolutely, And I think that's a big part of it.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And I to your point, Yeah, there is definitely certain
areas on the court that you can try to double
team him, especially if there's like a pick and roll
type of situation. Maybe in that scenario, but once he
gets to that that part of the lane that's just
inside the key, it's over. Yeah, because even if he
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misses somehow, he still gets his hands on the rebounds.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I mean, it's it's crazy, Uh, just how good he is.
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Switching though to the new York Knicks, because this is
a team that was able to also pick up a
road one or game one victory on the road, and
that's the New York Knicks, one o eight to one
oh five. And you almost felt, though, when the Knicks
didn't win it in regulation, it's like, okay, all right,
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the Celtics, they're they're the champs there, tray, how many
times have we seen you know, you give an elite
team an extra shot, they're going to beat you most times.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Oh yoh.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
There's something to be said about experience, and especially a
team that's not only experienced, but coming off of a championship.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You can't replicate that. That's right, and that's the the
elite team. They might be having a bad game, right,
it happens, they might be having a stretch that you know,
they're not playing that well. But if you give them
a little bit of an opening, oh yeah, and allow them, Okay,
Boston's like all right, okay, over time, we'll take over here. Yeah,
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but they just could not find any rhythm from beyond
the arc. They missed forty five three pointers. They shot
sixty three pointers. I mean, that's one hundred and eighty
worth of points. That they just tried to make from
the three point line. I mean, it's absolutely insane. And
so I know we can talk about how the game
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has changed and it's becoming much more prevalent that you're
relying on the three point shot. Again, this just shows
you that you can also lose by relying too much
on the three point shot. And I think there's something
to be said. How do you balance the analytics that
I know so many of the coaches now they love
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and you know, I love stats. I am a stats
type of driven guy. Yes, oh yes, give me all
those stats all day long. But you have to be
careful that you just don't follow the stats. And that's it,
especially based on how a game is going at a
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certain point. And I know the mentality. You're a shooter,
all right, I'm gonna shoot my whole way.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Out of this.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You know, I'm in a slump, I'm going to shoot
my way out of it. And you've heard the Reggie
Miller's of the world, the Steph Currys of the world
talk about that.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
But there's a.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Balance though that you have to understand. Sometimes it's not
that you see a three point shot go in. Sometimes
you just need to see the ball go through the
basket and maybe that's an easy too, and so you
focus on running your offense around that rather than just
some of the threes that they were taking.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I mean just and seeing some of them.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
It's one thing you know that they're decent shots and
you just miss, but it's another thing when they're bad
shots and they don't even hit rim. I mean, it's like,
come on, Boston, you got to be a better team
than that.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
No one percent. I mean, there's, like you mentioned, there's
there's that fine line of I tests versus analytics, and
I understand it's part of their DNA of how they play,
but like you said, at what point do you just
start seeing like, look, we're struggling. We have to get
into a rhythm. We have to be able to play
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a different way when we need to, you know. I mean,
you look at what they've done in the postseason so far. Yes,
off night last night obviously shooting twenty five percent for three,
but you know, they shot thirty seven percent in the
regular season. They're shooting thirty four percent in the post
so they're not far off from the median. This is
one of those games where you know, you got to
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you gotta get it done. One to your point point
with other find other ways to score. But to defensively
last night, I mean, allowing the Knicks to shoot forty
six percent from three seventeen to thirty seven. Yeah, you
know you're gonna have a tough time even if you're
making a lot of threes, You're gonna have a tough
time if someone else is your opponent shooting forty six
percent from three thirty seven attempts.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And the Knicks just looked more physical. And again, I
know this is the playoffs, and Jason Tatum even talked
about I don't even know if we need refs because it's.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
So physical right now.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
There's not fouls being called anyway, so why do we
need anybody out there? And but the Knicks just looked
more physical. And even the very last play right there,
I mean, this is Jalen Brown, who was the NBA
Finals MVP, right trying to go up for a three
point shot and Michel Bridges just comes and rips the
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ball out of his hands and just takes it from
him and doesn't even allow him to get it off.
It was almost like the Knicks had they had more
of the factor. They had more of that bravado that
you needed, and did the Celtics take them for granted?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Here in Game one, I could definitely see that.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
And then that's something too that you can't really account for,
Like when it starts happening, you kind of just have
to react and overcome. But I think when it starts
breaking down the way that it did. You talk about
these three point shots, there's something to be said about
getting back to the basics, getting back to the fundamentals
of what it is to play basketball. And I don't
have the stats in front of me, but I do
wonder of those missed three pointers that they had, what
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was the turnover margin and the points capitalized on those?
Whereas you hit it, the defense rebounds, they bring it
in and then they put up two points. Well, you
could have had two points if you'd played a little
bit differently instead of trying to force a three point shot.
Now you're you're not only leaving points on the board
because you're making shots that you shouldn't be trying to make,
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you're giving the opponent other more points.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Hey, you can love the three point shot, just don't
fall in love with it, right, Yeah, that's a big
part of basketball, especially these days, and how much of
a focal point it is. All right, we do have
more NBA action that will be happening tonight, but we
continue here on the Tuesday edition of The Richmond Weaver Show,
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presented by Ingles Markets. Is amateurism? Is it a scam?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
We'll talk about that and more right after.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
This NBA action tonight, starting at seven pm. The Pacers
and the Cavaliers in Game two on TNT, as Indiana
leads that series one, oh as they were able to
get that road victory on Sunday night, and also starting
out in Game one of the Western Conference Semifinals, the
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other half, the Golden State Warriors on the road versus
the Minnesota Timberwolves. And I'll go ahead and tell you
sign me up for this matchup right here, the Warriors
and the Timberwolves, because there's already a little bit of
I guess animosity might be the right word between these
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two organizations, and more so between two players.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
And you can imagine one of them is Draymond Green.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, there's that guy out there for the Golden State Warriors.
But the other aunt Edwards, Yes, Anthony Edwards, And I
don't think he's too fond of the Golden State Warriors.
And this was not too long ago, and he was
asked about who he would making it back to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Who he would like to face. Here's Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Definitely going back to the playoffs and going further into
playoffs to go verse the war I want to play
the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I want to get to the Warriors wherever they are.
I want to get to them.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Actually, that's why the Warriors so much.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I mean you can Draymond talked so much trash pretty
much all the reason.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
And that's the only reason, because the Draymond Green, because
he talks trash. Yes, if you've seen some of the
clips and there were someone on ESPN that they had
highlighted where Draymond Green and Anthony Edwards. I mean they're
going at it and I don't think people really understand. Also,
the amount of trash talking that happens between these NBA
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playing game. I mean it is absolutely insane. And this
is not anything new. This goes back years and years
and years, but now we have the ability. I mean
there's cameras everywhere, you know, so they're capturing much more
of it. But they showed a several clips of Draymond
and Anthony Edwards talking trash. So I'm excited about this
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series right here and definitely excited Tomorrow on the Wednesday
edition of The Richmond Weaver Show, presented by Ingles Markets,
we will get smarter about the NBA Playoffs with our
guest Jason Temp, host of Hoops Tonight, will be joining
us to break all of the action down and also
take a look at who he thinks might be in
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trouble here as we're trying to see if this could
happen for the first time in NBA history. All Right,
you ready for this, Darren, Let's go, mister Darren Angel
of the Weisch Law Firm joining us here. So, we
had the Pacers beat the Cavaliers on the road in
Game one. We had the Knicks beat the Celtics in
Game one on the road. We had Denver beat OKC
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on the road in game one in three of the
semifinal games, and now we have the opportunity for the Warriors.
If they can beat the Timberwolves on the road in
Game one, it'll be the first time in NBA history
where we've seen in the semifinals that the road team
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has won the first game. Wow, could have history in
the making tonight as Steph Curry and the Warriors on
the road against Minnesota, and of all things, the Warriors
are the favorite here. And I do believe that the
Warriors are going to come out and shooting much better
than they did in that game against Houston and Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I'm telling you there's something.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
About this Minnesota team that again they've got some of
the bravados.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Oh yeah. Also they definitely do.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So it will be interesting to see how they respond
in Anthony Edwards again, he's won in Draymond Green, right,
And the question is do you put Anthony Edwards on
Steph Curry? Do you do anything you can to shut
down Steph Curry?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Darren, I look to you, mister Cooh, it's a great question.
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I think it's really hard to shut him down. I
think he's gonna probably most of the time, get his
I would really ideally probably like to limit the other guys.
You know, you got to try and find a way
to keep Jimmy Butler in check. Yes, playoff Jimmy is
a different is a different guy.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Playoff Jimmy is real, Right, That's something that's real he's
different in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Yeah, and so I think I think that the short
answer would be I might not put him on Steph
because I think I might want to try and take
away Jimmy Butler and take away some of those other guys,
knowing that Steph's probably probably gonna put up pretty good numbers.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, regardless, it will be hard press to, in my opinion,
to keep Steph under thirty points in this game. I
think Steph's going to come out on a mission ready
to fire. And again, as much as we want to
talk about Steph Curry and how great he is as
a three point shooter, people sleep on Steph Curry and
his ability to get to the basket and his little
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floaters that he has. I mean, it's insane. But I
did have this other stat that I read. So in
the NBA players that have been fouled when shooting a
three point shot, the NBA average for making that and
you know, making the shot while you're fouled, the NBA
average is twenty two percent. Steph Curry when he gets
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fouled on a three point shot, he makes forty five percent.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I think the shots that he makes when he gets fouled.
That's incredible, that's elite. Yeah, that's the greatest shooter we've
ever seen.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yes, Yeah, you know, you bring up a really good point.
I think we look at Steph because he's such an
incredible shooter and the prolific nature at which he shoots it.
We really don't give him enough credit for the other
things that he does on both ends of the floor.
But just specifically talking offensively, the other things that he
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does on the offensive end of the floor, one that
you know, he can score more than just obviously shooting
the three ball, Yeah, but is a facilitator as well,
and just having to command of the offense and being
able to see the floor as well as he does
and just dictate the tempo of the game. I mean,
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he he almost always is going to have his fingerprint
on the game, no matter if he's got thirty five
or if he's got fifteen points.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, and I've never seen and maybe I get to
be careful with using such finite words like always and never,
but through my years of watching basketball, it would be
very hard pressed for me to find somebody that moves
without the ball as efficiently as Steph Curry does and
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getting himself open.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
And to that point, that's one of the reasons why
at least my gut says to put Anthony Edwards on
someone else, because it's going to take a heck of
a lot on the ball, but it's going to take
more off the ball chasing him around. And I'm not
saying that I'm going to give up, you know, defense
for offense, but I do get a little bit as
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young as Anthony Edwards is, that's right.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
It takes a lot of effort to defend at that level.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I mean, you've you've probably guarded somebody that you've had
to chase around. I know I have, and it's it's
not fun.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
It's not It can be definitely challenging.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And Steph Curry is one of the best, if not
the best, that I've seen off the ball. How he
manipulates and how he can find creases, how he can
find spaces and then he doesn't need much space to
get a shot off. That's the other tricky part about it,
and that leads to frustration from defenders because like, man,
I've been chasing this guy for eighteen seconds of the
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twenty four second clock, and how in the hell did
he just bury that three on me right there. I
mean it's it's demoralizing at times.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
It absolutely And you bring up another really good point,
and I don't have the statistic we've had some You've
had some absolute phenomenal statistics today.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
By the way, thank you. Sorry that we we dive
into SATs.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
We love blown them out of the water. I mean,
we've had two NERD alerts in the first half hour.
I mean, I love it, but all jokes aside. I
would love to see the statistic of his what his
defender's file rate is against him while guarding him, because
to your point, he does frustrate defenders. And that's another concern.
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Is you know, if you put Anthony Edwards on him
or whoever is guarding him, he gets I do feel
pretty comfortable to say he's got a pretty good percentage
of getting guys in foul trouble when they're guarding him
because of his craftiness and his ability to score.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Would not surprise me, all right.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Is the other thing that we do have to keep
in mind here in the NBA playoffs, it's game one.
You can make some observations. Do not make a conclusion
these series are over. Oh, I promise you I think
there's a lot of Celtics fans I'd understand, Hey, yeah,
that was no fun losing to the Knicks, and even
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okay see, because okay see does seem to be at
that point now, Hey, all right, we've got some talent,
we've got some momentum, great regular season. Now we've got
to have it where it matters and win when it matters.
But you can't just go off of one game that
okay see and the Celtics, I do believe they will
rebound to it.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
All right. Switching gears though, from pro to amateurism.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
And I've been wanting to actually talk about this, okay
for a little bit, and this might be a two
part type of segment at some point, but I do
want to dive into it now, especially since we have
Darren here and looking at and I think part of
it too is predicated. I'm reading a book right now
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James Nasmith, Inventor of Basketball, and it's a biography about him,
and it is absolutely fascinating, just the story of how
he invented the game, why he invented the game, and
some of the things that he said about the game
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that actually became true about the game. One hundred years
later and about the impact. And so I think there's
something to be said about this. But this is a
truth or Darren. Okay, so truth or Darren amateurism is
outdated truth.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
I don't I don't have much hesitation on that one.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
No, that was quick.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yeah, I just with I mean you you don't even
need to look much further than the transfer portal. I
mean we could, we could talk about a number of
different things. But I think I think that the traditional
thought of amateurism is is absolutely dead, and especially especially
in the power conferences, and especially for basketball and football
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and obviously certain sports at other other schools. But yes,
I think it's dead. Uh, you know, with these guys
getting paid, the demands that they're making as part of it,
you know, it's it's even trickling down to the lower levels.
And while the lower levels those kids are still going
to get an education there, there is just a lack
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of just a lack of a feeling of what it was. Heck,
even ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, and that's why I even look back to when
amateurism became a thing, and I'm talking the late nineteenth century.
We're going way back and amateurism was. I mean, it
is such a relic now and we view it in
the terms of, well, it's amateurism and that it's based on.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Well that's how we've always done it.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, and we're not evolving away from that and even
trying to examine, well, what is amateurism? Right, well, why
do we have amateurism? What was the impetus as far
as how we came to know this term and this
distinction between amateurs and pros because now, for so long
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it's there's a true division, that there's this line and
you could not cross it, right until we actually saw
the Dream Team in nineteen ninety two, and then all
of a sudden, it was like, okay, wait a second.
That was pretty simple. How that happened That we went
from the Olympics and you couldn't be a quote, a
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pro athlete and then now all of a sudden, you can.
And we just opened the floodgates, right, And it was
somewhat of this evolution, and you look back at the
early history of amateurism, it was created more to keep
certain athletes out of competition, because back in the day
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it wasn't about purity that oh, it's the you know,
the purity.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Of the game.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
It was more about the wealthy elites that competed in
sports like rowing and track and tennis. They didn't want
the working class individuals who were hell of athletes that
they didn't want them competing at their level because now
these working class people, they were trying to go earn money,
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because then we started seeing pros, started seeing athletes getting paid. Yeah,
and so this wasn't about just the purity of the game.
It was much more about, Okay, hey, let's create some
rules that Hey, if I want my people to be
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able to win these events and go win gold medals,
then we're going to create the amateurism. And that's how
we've got to where we are now in twenty twenty five,
that we're still holding on to this thought of amateurism, right,
and I think we need to redefine what amateurism is.
And I talked with you about this yesterday off the air,
and Darren, I don't know how much you've.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Watched like the UFL, but I watched a little.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Bit of that over the weekend, and I look at
it from not only a broadcasting standpoint, but even from
the level of play, and I look at it compared
to what I'm used to watching when it comes to fall.
And I'm not talking about the NFL. I'm talking about
college football. Yeah, dude, I'm telling you, these college players
look to me like they're playing at a higher level.
The production of their broadcast is at a much higher level.
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So what is amateurism? If you want to sit here
and talk about these college students all what they're amateurs,
I would contend that they're playing at a higher level
than what you would consider semi pro teams.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Well, and that's the crazy thing about it, simi pro
and think about this, Okay. Jim Thorpe one of the
most decorated medalist and Olympic right history and one of
the most decorated athletes that we've seen. And again we're
going off of history. We didn't get to see Jim Thorpe,
but just the reports that are out there, just how
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incredible of an all around athlete that he was. After
the Olympics where he won multiple gold medals, he was
stripped of all of his gold medals because it was
found out that he played one baseball game, which was
defined as semi pro baseball, and he was paid five
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dollars and he was stripped of all of his gold
medals because of that.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Seriously, I you know, you the the the definition, like
we've talked about, at its core of amateurism, it's it's
I don't know, it's it's baffling me right now. Of
what where does that Where does that line fall?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
It's because of college, because you're seeking an education. That
that's the h The the line right changes everything. Yeah,
that just because oh and again that goes back to
what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
That that's the way it's always been done.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Hey, there's things in history that I'm glad we don't
do them anymore, thank you. I mean, doctors used to
think that you could cure diseases by blood letting.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
They just let you bleed out.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Now, they wouldn't let you die necessarily, but they were
just like, oh, let's cut him open and drain the
blood because that would get the impurities out.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
That's what they thought.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I'm glad they stopped doing that. Yeah, what about smoking
on an airplane? Hello, Yeah, I'm glad we figured that
one out. We somehow figured that one out, right, And today,
I mean, amateurism to me is almost like using a
flip phone or a pager in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
It's arolic, it's outdated.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, we don't need to be utilizing that type of definition.
And even and I'm throwing out all these examples vh
VHS tapes or compact discs. Hello, look at Netflix. They
had to evolve, didn't They used to rent a DVD
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to you. Yes, exactly, Hello, they figured things out as technology.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Phone books, Hello, I mean exactly. I remember using phone books.
I remember having to drive in a car.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
And I know we talk about now no texting and driving,
which I am a big proponent of, but I remember
driving and I'm flipping a map while I'm driving, trying
to make sure.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
On what road I'm going down. Correct.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
If it makes you feel any better, at least you
still have to You either have to mail in a
check or you have to drive to the place to
pay off a late fee.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Ye, don't even started all that. So somes never changed.
Yes exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
We're talking about inefficiencies and how things can progress. And
it's okay, And it's okay that we look at amateurism
and close that chapter on amateurism. Hey, that was part
of our history, that was part of sports history. We
got it, it served its purpose.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Okay, it's time to move on, right, And I think
the court systems are showing that Darren, Oh yeah, yeah,
how quickly the court.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Systems are saying sorry, with these amateur rules are unconstitutional?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's and it's one of
those things like I would almost post this question, why
have we why have we struggled so much to get
over this thought of amateurism, Like it's like it's this
holier than now thing that like how dare we how
dare we get rid of amateur.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Sanctity of amateurism?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
But like at its core, like you just said, you know,
with with the constitutionality of it and the legalities of it.
I mean, we're we're a free market society, yes, and
we have been for a long long time, right, And
this is like the most anti amateurism, is like the
most anti free market thing that you can think of.
But yet we just cannot seem to get it out
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of our heads of Oh, well, they're just destroying the
sanctity of collegiate athletics because it's no because it's no
longer amateurs.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yes, and I even look at it from a perspective
also that many times I like to reverse Maybe reverse
engineering is not the right word or the right phrase,
but it's the equivalent where I say, college football playoff.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Okay, so we've got twelve teams now.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
So this would be a scenario that played out if
the College Football Playoff Committee came out and sent out
a press release and said, all right, we're done with
the college football Playoff. We're now going to crown our
national champions by voters in the media say we never
had that before, but you've always had this playoff.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
There would be.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Chaos going on. And it's the same with amateurism right now.
Can you imagine if name, image and likeness had always
been out there and then somebody the NCAA came out
and said, all right, you know what, Nope, yeah, no,
we're banning that.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
That's we're not doing that anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
You you cannot be paid as a college athlete.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
People would be like, what are you talking about? Yeah,
this is insane. You can't take away right right, Absolutely,
people be in the streets.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yes, it would. It would be crazy. So I think
we just have to view again amateurism. Let's close the
book on it. It was a chapter. That's part of
our history. Don't run from it. It's okay, it's our history.
We own it. It served its purpose and move on.
Let us know your thoughts. So eight six four two
four zero five to four eight zero. Let's head out
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to the Ingles hotline real quick, the Richmond Weaver Show.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
Who's this, hey, guys? Rich speaking of things that have
outdated and evolved? What was synonymous with signing day in
the eighties and nineties and early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Synonymous with signing day? Oh, fax machine, sir, exactly right.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
We evolved. We no longer need the fax machine. So yes,
and in honor of your topic yesterday, which I love,
I'm going to continue to do this. Yes, what's the
first thing you think of when you think of the
Denver Nuggets? The first person and the I'm sorry, the
Golden State Warriors and the Minnesota timber Wolves.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Okay, so Denver Nuggets, of all things, I actually think
of former South Carolina player Alex English. That's who I
think of. For the Golden State Warriors, I mean it
is Steph Curry. And then for Minnesota Timberwolves, I actually
still think of Kevin Garnett.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
First.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yes, there's my three.
Speaker 7 (39:50):
I agree with you on Garnett. The first thing I
think of now when Denver is mount the Tombo.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Oh, yes, Aster Kimba, that's a good one. Yes, I
could see that.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
And then you know, obviously Garnet with Timberwolves. Okay, this
is the reason I called. I'll say this and get off.
I'm going with Minnesota and five. I don't think it's
going to be particularly closed. The one thing the caveat
I'll throw out of that is you know you can
see it already starting with Green and Edwards. Yes, if
Edwards is baited into some kind of a fight or something,
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he gets thrown out of multiple games, that will change
the series. I hope that doesn't happen, but I do
believe that this is this is Minnesota's time now. Anyway,
I'll hang up and listen. I appreciate it, guys.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Thank you, Billy. We always appreciate you giving us a call.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
And I do think there's something to be said if
I'm looking at some of these series. I think Minnesota
has a chance, and I do believe Indiana has a chance.
And we'll continue this Tuesday edition of The Richmond Weaver Show,
presented by Ingles Markets. Right after this, the Tuesday edition
of the Richmond Weavers Show, presented by Ingles Markets, continues
right here on one oh four nine Fox Sports Upstate.
(40:56):
A busy day already as we are blowing it through
this hour, So let's take a look at some of
the latest headlines.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
It's only one game play and that's to take care
of Benn hitting the latest headlines.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
It's the daily rundown, all right. In the NBA, we
talked about it. There's games tonight.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
How about this though, Kenny Atkinson of the Cleveland Cavaliers
yesterday was named the NBA Coach of the Year. The
Red Hourback Trophy was given to Kenny Atkinson his first
year with Cleveland, fifth year as a head coach.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Say, okay, Coach Atkinson, here we go prove it right.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Hey, I'm telling you I think Indiana is a team
that they're sneaky. They really are. That you've got you
definitely have to watch out for Indiana. In college basketball,
the Jimmy V Classic has been announced December the ninth
in Madison Square Garden. You have two former national champions
facing each other, Yukon and Florida in the one matchup
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and BYU and the Clemson and Tigers in the other matchup.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yes, that's a big.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Time opportunity there for the Clemson Tigers and the JIMMYV Classic.
And also was announced that Clemson in South Carolina in
men's basketball will be scheduled for the following Tuesday in December,
December the sixteenth in Little John Coliseum. So great to
see the rivalry continue there. And also we have to remember,
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this is the NFL next week. It's the NFL schedule
release on May the fourteenth, calendar, mark your calendars, and
so we already know it's a production, and they do
a great job of creating content, all of that gorilla
marketing everything that they do. And now I'm actually even
seeing people putting out NFL mock schedules that they think
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this is how the schedule's going to look.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Next week when it's released.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
I've never seen an event that encapsulated so much more
of this could have been an email than the schedule release.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Oh hello, right efficiency, But again, it works, it works.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
The NFL knows there's just no better marketing machine.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
No there's not.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
They're just going to continue to showcase that and run
with it.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
And how about this.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Asia Wilson, a three time w NBA player and also
Hall of Famer at South Carolina on the women's basketball team,
has a statue there right outside the arena. But she
also was passed over several times to have a signature shoe.
But her quote was saying, what is delayed is not
(43:43):
denied end quote. Then she signed one of the richest
sneaker deals in women's basketball with Nike, and her signature
shoe that a one sold.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Out in five minutes. So congratulations Asia Wilson. It's a
good looking shoe.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
It is a good looking shoe. Yes, I would agree.
My wife and I were actually talking. We were watching
her son play this past weekend and all.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
These players out there.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
It was crazy to see how many light lavender color
shoes pink shoes.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
How that is a.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Big trend right now that players are wearing some of
these different type of color shoes.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
All right, that is some of the latest headlines.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
And we will wrap up this Tuesday edition of The
Richmond Weaver Show presented by Ingles Markets right after this
live from the Ingles Studios in downtown Greenville right here
on North Main Street. Absolutely picture perfect day and I
was there at the BMW Performance Center earlier today. Yeah,
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part of the Richmond Weaver Show presented by Ingles Markets
helping with the BMW Charity Program presented by td sin X,
as they announced their celebrities that are going to be
playing in June. So tomorrow we'll go over that entire list.
But there's some fantastic names. I will give you one hint.
I'll go ahead and tell you a Ermingrad Hall of
(45:01):
Famer Clint Dempsey. Oh, he's going to be playing first time.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Wow, I was gonna just guess Darning.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Oh yes, yes, all right, it is May the sixth.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
Let's walk back in a little bit of history.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
What happened on this day. Let's go back in history
to the moments you might have forgotten and the ones
you'll never forget. It's ot D on this day.
Speaker 7 (45:26):
All right.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Babe Ruth would hit his very first Major League Baseball
home run on this date in nineteen fifteen. Oh wow, gosh,
one hundred and ten years ago. The Big Bambino, absolutely insane.
How about this nineteen ninety seven, Speaking of the Boston Celtics,
Rick Pattino would become the head coach of the Boston Celtics.
(45:48):
I think the thing that Rick Patino is most famous
for as his time as the head coach of the
Celtics was that, hey, Larry Bird and Kevin McHale aren't
coming through the door. There was fans that were all
upset about how he was running the show there. And
in two thousand and six, the Phoenix Suns became the
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eighth NBA team to come back from a three to
one deficit in the NBA playoffs. And we've talked about
that that does not happen that often, and of all things,
we actually see it more in hockey than we do
in the NBA. I don't know why that is, ye,
but there's something about that, but that was only the
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eighth time that we've ever seen that in NBA history.
As they would beat the LA Lakers in Game seven
of the Western Conference series. There, all right, That is
OTD And that is this Tuesday edition of The Richmond
Weaver Show presented by Ingles Markets.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
We'll talk to you tomorrow.