The Richmond Weaver Show 2025-6-18

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Exploring the latest headlines and in depth conversations. It's the
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Ready to roll this Wednesday right here on one oh
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(00:41):
But mixed mistakes happen.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
I get that, Rudy doesn't.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
But Dan Byer there at the top of the hour
meant to say the Houston Roughnecks.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Right there, as there's some things going on.

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Not the Rednecks, No, no, not the different tanks there
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We just heard, oh, Tyre's Halliburton and going to be
a game time decision, and we're going to talk about
that with Jason temp our guest each Wednesday to get

(01:51):
smarter about the NBA, as he will be joining us
in the next segment. And again you can find his
content Hoops Tonight wherever you get your pot cast, maybe
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YouTube channel. You will get smarter about the NBA, especially
as we're now on the brink the possibility of the
verge of OKC gaining their first NBA championship in program history,

(02:18):
organization history, however you want to describe it, and can
the Indiana Pacers backs against the wall so to speak,
tomorrow night. We don't know about Tyre's Halliburton if he's
going to play. We just heard top of the hour
going to be a game time decision with the calf
injury there that limited him significantly. Now he still played
thirty four minutes, but he was not the same type

(02:39):
of player, right, there is no question he was not
the same type of player. And so we're going to
break it all down with Jason temp host of Hoops
Tonight coming up in the next segment, just to see, Okay,
is this over? Is this now Okac's.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Time to shine?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
And also how disappointing will it be for Indiana and
Indiana fans obviously, because could this series have turned in
Game five based on an injury? Not so much play
on your team or the other team. Now, obviously we
saw Jalen Williams J Dubb go off for forty points.
Oh and I an amazing performance there for OKC. But

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the things you can't control and how many times do
we talk about it just in terms of the injuries.
And we even talked right with Brian Kite yesterday, the
coach to the coaches so to speak, in terms of
the behavior, performance and building cultures and his equation E
plus R equals zero. Event plus response equals outcome. And

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the only thing that you can control in that equation
is the R right, the response. You have no control
over the event and you have really no control over
the outcome. Now you can affect the outcome. And that's
where the behaviors come into it. And so Indiana fans,
Though've got to be just devastated, comes down to Halliburton
in an injury that could impact this series, right, and I.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Means as understandable as it is, as you know, you
can't predict injuries, that doesn't make it any less disappointing,
not only for fans, but for the players too, and
especially Tyree's Halliburton. Right now, I mean this team, this
is where that's the crazy thing. That's why I look
at it and I'm like, even though Halliburton's out, like

(04:26):
I don't necessarily know that I count them out just
because this is where they thrive, that back against the wall,
that mentality where everybody's already counted them out and it
doesn't matter how many times they do it.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
We always go into that last like.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Three minutes of the game up, well, all right, well
Pacers are out, and then they make this weird, miraculous run,
and I wouldn't put it past the Pacers. Now I'm
not saying they will, but to dig deep and find
something tonight to extend this Tomorrore game. Excuse me, tomorrow night, Yes,
tomorrow night, to extend this one more game, because it
just kind of seems to be what they do. I
think it's in the DNA of the team. It's not

(04:59):
just Haliburt. It is definitely something that Indiana does. And
they've had in this playoffs so far right here in
twenty twenty five, they've had five different times where they've
been down by more than fifteen points and have come
back to win. Now they've lost some of those, right,
but to.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Come back five different times down by fifteen, I mean
that's pretty significant. And that shows you that grind mentality,
never given mentality, all of that, the cliches that we
can use from sports all the time. And that's why
I'm intrigued to see how Indiana's, oh yeah, going to respond.
And Tyre's Halliburton has already come out and said if

(05:38):
I can walk on playing, and I know, of course
Carlisle has even already come out and said on Indianapolis
radio earlier today that they're having to prepare either one
without Tyre's Halliburton or also with Tyrese Halliburton.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
And that's kind the coaches speak.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Of course, I don't think he's tipping his hand at all, right,
I can promise you at Tyrese Haliburt and he's playing.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Oh hey, he might be limited, but he's going to good.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Telling him to stay off the court exactly unless he
physically can't.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
There's no way he's staying off the court. All right.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Before we talk really die or really dive into the
NBA Finals with Jason temp host of Hoops Tonight coming
up in the next segment, I did want to look
at we did have a champion crowned last night, yes,
and that's Stanley Cup Finals there with the Florida Panthers
with the five to one victory in Game six over
the Edmonton Oilers. And now that's back to back Stanley

(06:35):
Cup victories for the Florida Panthers, right, But it's also
consecutive losses for the Edmonton Oilers in the Stanley Cup Finals.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
And so I started thinking just looking.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
At the series overall, and then last year, and then
I happened to come across an article on ESPN by
Chris Slowe, and I'm definitely wanting to talk about this
on Friday.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
And this is talking Chris low for ESPN.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
His article is talking about the top ten records in
college football that are unbreakable, and they're not alled just
individual records. Some of them are team records, like Oklahoma
winning forty seven games in a row football, something of
that nature. And so when I saw the Panthers get
the victory, and the Oilers obviously then back to back

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losses in the Stanley Cup Finals, it started making me think,
so what if Edmonton gets back to the Stanley Cup
Finals next year and they lose, and then they do
it again the following year, right and lose again. Just
how insane that would be to get to the pinnacle

(07:53):
in your league and lose four straight times? Because we've
already seen it the Buffalo Bills in the Super Bowls in.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
The nineties ninety four.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I don't understand if we well, I shouldn't say I
don't understand.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
I do understand. I'm just curious, have we talked about
that enough?

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Do we really appreciate how crazy it is? Yes, that
you have a team get in to the Super Bowl
four consecutive times, right and losing. But also how insane
it is that they did get to the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, for consecutive times.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Were good enough, And that's I don't know if we
really I know Buffalo bill fans. I know they're trying
to feel them off yet Yeah, I know they have
examined it enough. They've gone through therapy for numerous years.
But just think about it again. Nineteen ninety one against
the Giants, the infamous wide right, we know that Scott

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and Rwood had a forty seven yard field goal and
misses and they lose twenty to nineteen. Then the following
year up against the Washington Redskins, thirty seven to twenty
four beat down. Mark Rippion throws for two hundred and
ninety two yards and the Bills had four turnovers. Then
the following year, nineteen ninety three, here come the Cowboys,

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fifty two to seventeen blowout, and we saw what Troy
Aiightman was able to do. But you had nine turnovers from.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
The Buffalo Bills. That's still a Super Bowl record nine turnovers.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Then nineteen ninety four, Cowboys with a big victory, thirty
to thirteen, EMMITTT. Smith has one hundred and thirty two
rushing yards, and then Thurman Thomas had a late fumble
that sealed the deal for the Cowboys. So each of
those losses had to sting in a different way. Four
Buffalo Bills fans. And then you look at it again.

(10:00):
I don't know if you picked up what I just said.
I didn't until you. Yeah, the Giants, Washington, the Redskins
at the time, the Cowboys, and the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
So they make it to the.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Super Bowl four consecutive times, they lose four consecutive times,
and it's to all NFC East teams. The only one
that wasn't there obviously the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Right again. You know, I'm a stats guy.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
You know I love nerd alert you No, I love
trying to understand how stats can tell a story and
how the stats impact a story, or the story is
impacted by stats, however.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
It might be.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I don't remember really understanding that it was all NFC
East teams.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, I didn't make that connection either.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
And so I'm just curious, And because I know Neil
has called in before, right right and talked about he
would rather his team the forty nine in the NFL
win six games instead of getting to the super Bowl
and losing. And I still don't believe him, because I

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think there's something that you want your team to be
there with the chance because at some point you think
you get there enough times, something's got to fall your way.
To Buffalo exactly, that's the countilepoint. So Buffalo was like,
what the hell, We'll tell you Rich, it ain't that way.

(11:32):
And I do get that because they've been through this.
No team's done it. Since we haven't seen this replicated before,
I don't know if we ever will. And that's my
point going back to some of these unbreakable records that
Chris Lowe's talking about in college football, and I'm looking
here at the NFL because just to even think about

(11:53):
for the Edmonton Oilers to match what Buffalo did, how
improbable would it be for them to get back to
two more Stanley Cup Finals.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
I mean, it's highly improbable.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I'd argue it's harder because it's not a one and
done type of scenario like the NFL. You're playing serious,
So it's almost more incredible that the Oilers have been
back twice and lost with the series. And I can
only think it. I'm my NHL knowledge is not ass
up to par as. Maybe like a Sean out there,
he's a huge NFL fan. That would be like the

(12:27):
Oilers get there. So they played, they lost to the
Panthers twice. Yes, now they would have to lose to
I guess the Maple Leaves and the Lightning. That would
be two other teams from the Atlantic Division. So that's
it's gotta be something like that for the next two years. Yes,
that would match Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
And that's even more crazy because how improbable is it
that one of those teams that you're talking about is
going to be able to be that good to.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Get to the Stanley Cup finals.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
And that's why there's something about this also just I'm
wondering again how it's not a double edged sword. Yeah,
that's not the right term, but it's almost like this
twisted badge of honor. Yeah, that your team is that good,
but you suffer the heartbreak of losing and you're oh

(13:11):
so close. I mean you're right there, and especially for
the first one for Buffalo against the Giants, losing right
by not making a field goal right there.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, I mean that.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Had to be hard, but it's just crazy that you
still have to celebrate you're you.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Made it is elite.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, you're one of the two best teams for that
particular season and you just come up short and obviously
the big game right.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Well, and and and to your point, it would be
I think it would be a little bit easier to swallow,
maybe as a Buffalo's fan if it were like if
it was the Cowboys all four years, you know, but
it's three different teams over four years, so it's it's
not even like like what.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Do you do at that point?

Speaker 4 (13:56):
You you're obviously the second best, but everybody wants to
be I mean, take it down to it even a
personal level, like nobody wants to be wide receiver two.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Everybody wants to be the guy.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Everybody wants to be that diva. Yeah, yeah, And I
do understand that. And that's why again I don't think
we give Buffalo enough credit, And maybe we have over
the years, and maybe it's more that I haven't really
been able to focus on it. But what they did
is herculean and my absolutely just getting there four consecutive times,

(14:27):
and especially when you have the salary cap in the NFL,
and how the parody is there in the NFL as
much as at the end of the day, we're going
to see eight to ten teams that can win a
Super Bowl each year. We do know that, but that
doesn't mean that some of these teams can't sneak up
on you.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
And what you talked about, it's one and done once
you get to the playoffs. Hello Giants, Yeah, we've seen them.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Be able to do that twice. Yeah, knocking off the
Almighty Patriots.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Right, And so you have to appreciate what Buffalo did
even if they didn't win. And that's why Edmonton Oiler
fans you have to appreciate getting there twice, and obviously
Florida Panther fans, you have to be celebrating.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yes, it's hard, and don't take this for granted. Enjoy
this celebrated and if it doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Next year, at least you're not the Oilers losing back
to back or the Buffalo Bills where you lost four
consecutive Super Bowls. All right, we're gonna switch gears coming
up in the next segment NBA Finals. We have Game
six tomorrow night in Indianapolis, and we'll talk to our guest,
Jason temp host of Hoops Tonight, getting a little bit

(15:44):
smarter about the NBA Finals much more. Right after this,
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(16:26):
the NBA Finals Game six tomorrow night in Indianapolis. And
our good friend mister Jason Temp, host of Hoops Tonight,
joins us once again each Wednesday. And Jason, we were
talking here before we got back on air, and we
could hear the weather report. It's going to be hot
here in South Carolina here in Greenville, and next week

(16:48):
going to be traveling to New York and it's supposed
to be ninety nine degrees in New York, and I
know that's insane. But I know you've got to be
laughing a little bit when we're talking about hot in Arizona.
So you might be thinking, oh, yeah, you don't know
anything about hot, my friend.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Yeah, but you always, like we always talk about with
the NBA, you have to look deeper than the box score,
because I will say, I've lived in Arizona and I've
experienced a lot one hundred and fifteen degree days. But
when my wife and I lived in Charlotte, North Carolina,
and it got into the high nineties with some of
that humidity, that was the worst summer that I can remember. No,
I will say, I will say, for all the talk

(17:27):
about Arizona and the big numbers, there is there's some
legitimacy to the old wives tale about dry heat and
it's just being easier to.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Handle, no question.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Well, Trey Falco, the producer here, he has a great
joke about the humidity here in South Carolina. It's like
putting on a sweater because it is a different layer
of clothing that just you wear.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Sometimes when you walk out the door.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
And there's something Yeah, there's something there's some truth to
be said about that, all right, So Jason, let's jump
right into it here. Game five, okay see, is able
to take care of business there in Oklahoma and almost
playing out what you described. Jason, you felt that to
Indianapolis would be able to get that Game four victory,

(18:14):
and then okay see, you would go back get the victory.
And now we turn to Indiana tomorrow. In Indianapolis, but
things might have changed a little bit with Tyre's Halliburton
and the potential injury or I shouldn't say potential injury,
but how it's going to potentially impact his ability to
play at all or at least limited. So from your perspective,

(18:38):
how does this impact Indiana's chance or is it a
done deal? Is this a rap's there's no chance for
Indiana if Tyre's Halliburton is not able to play.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
I thought their chance was Game four. You know, I
talked about this before the series, or I should say
after we chatted after the first two games, which is
basically that Indiana is going to struggle to match Oklahoma
City's athleticism on the road, and so they needed to
win Game four, and they needed to win Game six
to have tomorrow night be an opportunity to where you
could hopefully ride your home crowd to a championship, and

(19:13):
that option is off the table now. One of the
things that I've always loved about the NBA Playoffs is
the format of the seven game series. It's just such
a unique way to determine a winner in a situation
like this, because you play so much basketball against each
other that it's almost a certainty that both teams will

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find their best pathway within that matchup. It basically eliminates
a lot of the kind of fluky stuff that could
happen in those small sample sizes, right. So, like, even
though Indiana controlled the early part of the series that
their ball pressure and light game shot making and obviously
winning that Game three at home Oklahoma City, over the

(19:53):
course of the series, their advantages have started to show.
Like they one of their very simple basic advantages that
they are more athletic and they're younger. Yes, And so
I'm not surprised that you're starting to see some of
these guys wear down, and like that's one of the
things that happens in a seven game series or in general,
over the course of a two month long playoff run

(20:14):
is you've got to hold up physically. And this, by
the way, Tyree got hurt in the regular season last year,
went into the playoffs, got hurt, Yes, in the Celtics series.
Is hurt again. Now it's like a typical lower leg
wear and tear injury. So like this is the thing,
Like you have to be able to survive the physicality
of these four playoff rounds. And I would argue that

(20:37):
that was a substantial advantage for Oklahoma City coming into
the series and it's starting to bear out.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Jason temp is our guest host of Hoops Tonight. Make
sure you subscribe to his YouTube channel Hoops Tonight and
listen to the podcast wherever you get your podcast. And so, Jason,
you talk about the wearing down and is it magnified
then for the Pacers because of the suffocating defense that
they're up against with Oklahoma City. And I did listen

(21:05):
to Aman Shumpert to talk about what he described for
the Pacers going up against OKAC, and I thought it
was very poignant that he said it's playing defense when
you're on offense, and that because you're getting hounded so much,
you're having to put so much energy to make sure

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you're protecting the ball, making sure that you're making the
right reads, making sure mentally that you know you're staying
in your offensive flow.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
But Oklahoma City just does such.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
A great job with their defense, just even getting little deflections,
just annoying you as you're coming up and down the court.
And Jason, I know you've played it enough, even in
pickup games, when you have that one defender that is
just all over you, it wears you down.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
It does. It's like a you know, I was liking
it almost to like a golf swing where there's like
seventeen moving parts that almost prevents you from focusing on
the you know, the actual acts of hitting the golf ball.
It's like you could see Indiana all of them. It's
like the guy on the ball is trying to shield
the basketball from ball pressure. And then the dude who's
fighting for position at the high post, like you're trying

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to make an entry pass there. Once he gets the
entry pass, like you've got guys running action around, but
they're like fighting through, grabbing and holding, and the guy
who has the ball to high post is trying to
like clear space with the jazz step and a rip
through and like you've seen Siakam and Turner like use
their head almost like a battering ram to try to
shield the guy. Like there's just so many steps for

(22:37):
them literally just to get the ball into their action,
that's right. Like if they just want to get into
a they want to get into a Chicago action, which
is one of the more common ones, basically just to
pin down into a ball screen or something like that,
they have a hard time doing it simply because of
all that pressure that's taking place all over the place.
And to me, the guy that like really ties everything

(22:58):
together for them is chet Holmgrin. Because most good NBA teams,
that should say most great NBA teams that can tend
for championships have good perimeter defenders. Now we can argue
that Oklahoma City has more, and I would agree, like
to have Russo and lou Dor and Jala Williams in
case of Wallace and Aaron Wiggins, Like that's just an
absolute absurdity of riches in terms of their depth, perimeter talent.

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But you have to have big guys on the floor
in the NBA for a variety of reasons, for rebounding,
for dealing with physicality, for setting screens for vertical spacing,
and so what ends up happening is both teams have
these big guys on the floor and they end up
being your entry points. Like every vehicle or every offensive
possession typically is going to use the opposing big man

(23:42):
as the vehicle with which to get away from those
perimeter defenders that are such a huge pain in the butt, right,
and so check what makes him so unique is he's
just not very much of an entry point for a
big man, and you if you want to attack him
in a deep drop coverage, he's got the length at
the rim to really bother you. And I thought his

(24:04):
work at the rim was excellent in game five. He's
got the mobility to get up to the level of
the screen and back and some more aggressive pick and
roll coverages, and then he can also switch. You can
switch on the just about any type of player in
the league. And so as a result, there's just not
a lot of opportunity. Like that's the thing, Like even
with this Tyres Taliburton stuff, like he was bad in

(24:24):
game five, and I'm not gonna sit here and pretend
like his calf muscle wasn't a part of that issue.
It certainly was. You could tell he's banged up, he's
not moving the same. But also I think Tyreese is
just as capable of that type of game, even if
he's healthy, because of this type of defense, and they
just shut off all those natural openings, and it really

(24:44):
does become about, like can you get a bucket against
some of these guys one on one? And there's just
not a guy on this Indiana roster that's really good
at that. That's kind of, to me the pathway of
the series. And it started to really dawn on me
in game three, even when Indiana was up, And that's
why I still picked Oklahom the City. I was watching it,
and I'm thinking Oklahoma City has two or three actions

(25:04):
they can run that are guaranteed to get good looks,
like Shay can just go straight iso anything attacking Miles
Turner in Pick and Roll was working for good stuff.
They've utilized a lot of the Shay Jaw two man
game to try to target different guards for Shay that
has worked really well, and there is not an action
for Indiana that has been reliably good in this series.

(25:27):
They're like the siakham Aliberton two man game. They've just
been switching, and they've had no issues getting in and
out of that. In ball screens, like Blue Dort is
just getting over the top of everything, Chet is shutting
everything down. On the other side of it, the attempts
to post up Siakam have had some success, but not
reliable success, and they're still struggling with basic stuff like

(25:49):
just getting the ball to him there. So honestly, it
just looks to me like over the course of the
seven game series, the better team has established things on
both ends of the floor that are more reliable than
what Indiana is doing, and that's why they're going to
most likely win.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, and that's what we see with these series type
of scenarios rather than one and done where you know,
like in college basketball or the NFL in the playoffs,
it's completely different a six seven game series, however long
it goes. I mean, you start seeing deficiencies from certain teams,

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and you also start seeing a team being able to exploit.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
What they're really good at.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
And I love what you said about Chet Holmgren because
what I have noticed also is that in some of
those switches he can switch on a guard it doesn't matter,
and that's what makes him so effective, even if he's
not really effective on the offensive side, which we would,
you know, want to focus on at times, he's a
hell of a defender in multiple ways. As we're continuing
with that, Jason Temp, host of Hoops tonight. All right,

(26:53):
another guy though for OKC, as we will switch a
little bit to offense here is Jalen Williams J dub
and obviously a career high in the playoffs forty points
in Game five, including a huge three pointer there as
Indiana was making their run and then Oka See goes
on an eighteen to six run to.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Steal that victory.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
How important is it for tomorrow night for J Dubb
to have another performance, maybe not scoring forty points, but
he has to be a vital part of the offense
there for OKC.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Yeah, just a quick follow up on the chet piece.
I told this Saya yesterday and I shared it on
the show, but I just wanted to share it for
you guys. Yeah, he's defended twenty nine ISOs in this
playoff run. Some of those are big going at him, yeah,
like Turner in particular, but a lot most of them,
the majority of them are switches and pick and roll. Yeah,
He's allowed just eighteen points on those twenty nine ISOs

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that zero points six to two points per possession including passes. Wow,
there are forty six players in the playoffs this year
that have defended at least fifteen ISOs in that ranks
fifth out of forty six. And the guys that are
in front of him, one of his teammates, Cason Wallace,
Anthony Edwards, Austin Reeves, and Russell Westbrook sys some basically
one of the best ISO defenders in this entire playoff run.

(28:13):
The data stuff obviously going on the road, like, I
think Oklahoma City is gonna win tomorrow because I think
without especially with Halliburton a little banged up, I think
belief starts to enter into the equation. Just like does
Indiana really want to travel back to Oklahoma City just
to get demolished? You know that kind of thing. But
it's gonna be a tough game. Close out games in

(28:34):
general bring a certain desperation on occasion. Oklahoma City is
a young team that has lost four of their last
seven road games. So I don't want to sit here
and pretend like it said done deal. But ultimately it
will come down to that piece of shot making from Jada,
because what we're seeing from Shay throughout this series, there's

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a lot of attention getting thrown to him on drives
and on Ja Dubs drives in particular. They're a little
bit more willing to let him work one on one
and a little bit more willing to let him work
two on two in ball screens. And so that's one
of the big reasons why his scoring has been so
much more effective in this series compared to some of
the prior series. This has been a series in terms

(29:17):
of the coverage that has dictated him to be more
of a score. He does a lot more work off
ball than people think. Like most of the on ball
work he did in that forty point night was in
the fourth quarter when he started getting into ball screens,
But he did a lot of his damage just cutting
back door off ball run in his lane and transition,

(29:38):
like he was illing just as as an off ball
threat in this Thunder system. But ultimately, when it comes
to the to the these like really tough NBA playoff
games where everything's on the line and the other teams
fighting for their survival, it's gonna get tight. Their closeouts
are going to be tougher, the role players are gonna struggle,
and it's gonna come down to change. J Dubb. That's

(29:59):
the change Jbub coming off the best game of their
career collectively, that seventy one game point performance in game five,
and so I think they're up for it. I think
they figured out. The main thing is, like we talked
about earlier, they know what to run, they know what works,
They've found their like entry points into this Indiana defense,
and so this is typically the game where the championship

(30:21):
level team comes out and goes, we figured you guys out.
It's time to put you to bed. And that's what
I think the Thunder are.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Going to do.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
How important then, was it in game four when OKAC
gets the victory somewhat the comeback, come from behind and
SGA has fifteen points there in the last five minutes
of the game. Was that a pivotal point where Okac's
what you're talking about, They figure things out and then
we're able to continue that in game five.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
And what's so funny about that, Richmond, is I do
think game four was the turning point where OKAC figured
it out. Yeah, but not because of anything they did
necessarily down the stretch, but more just how bad they
played in that game. I think they played so poorly
in that game in a way that was so obviously
against their best pathway to win the I mean, Shae
had zero assists in that game and had what ten

(31:14):
in game five? He said, I pulled this out the
other day. He had eighteen assists in game two and
in game five he had seven assists total combined in
the other three games. Wow, seven in three games eighteen
and two games. Like, I think what haped was now
shape Shay made the shots. Like the one thing they
did discover down the stretch of that of that game

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was the two man game with with Jadab to try
to attack Mee Smith, who ironically meet Smith has turned
out to be the major weak point in Indiana's defense
in this series. He's way too undisciplined to guard Shay,
like he hacked too much, and then he's way too
small to guard Jada, so like he's given away some

(31:55):
key fundamental things to those matchups. And so they did
discover that. But my guess is what happened was is
after that game, they had a film session and they
sat down and they were like, what are we doing here, guys, like,
why are you trying to do this? Why are you
trying to do that? Like these are the actions that work.
This is what we need to do to guard them.
You're lucky you won that game with how poorly you played.

(32:16):
Here's the game plan we need to follow. And I
mean there was just such a clear intentionality to the
way she was striving to kick early in that game
and keeping everybody involved. And I mean they generated eighteen
unguarded attention shoo jump shots, which is three times as
many as they did in Game four, three times as many,
so like totally different approaches.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
I think Game four, in a lot of ways was
that turning point because they won despite playing poorly, which
allowed them to learn a valuable lesson but not ticket
in the scoreboard, so to speak.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Well, and the problem for Nie Smith in terms of
what you're talking about being a defensive liability and how
he can hack at times.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
The problem though, if he looks the wrong.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Way at SGA, they're going to call a foul because
gets everything. I mean, I can't even believe it, Jason,
I'm looking at TJ McConnell and SGA go for a
jump ball. And they call a foul on TJ McConnell
on a jump ball. I don't know if I've ever
seen that.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
Now, I will say this, I have my frustrations with
the officiating in this series. I will say that I
thought the end of Game four, specifically the dynamic to me,
it's just it's more about the optics. Like, I don't
think Oklahoma City was going to lose Game four either way.
I think they're the better team. I think they would
have found a way to get it done. Their defense

(33:36):
ultimately is how they won that game. But yeah, it
looks ridiculous on television to have Shay badly shove off
the defender and have it be a no call where
he knocks down the shot, but didn't have him pick
up picky tack fouls on Nie Smith to go to
the foul line. It looks completely ridiculous. And then I
don't know if you heard in Game five, but Doris

(33:58):
Burt quoted Montu mccutchey saying that that they're not considering
that a push off, they're considering him releasing contact. I
literally almost screamed at the televis. I was like, then
you at least not lie it was like, we see
this stuff like you don't have to lie, like we're
we're watching, We're watching, like you don't have to you
don't have to lie. And so I've had my frustrations.

(34:19):
Here's what I'll say, though, they've been getting those calls
all season. Yeah, and Nie Smith Nee Smith made two
critical errors in that game. The hand on the shoulder.
I hate that that results in free throws. I would
never ever send a player to the free throw line
for a non basketball move. I would even if they're
in the penalty. I'd make them take it side out
of bounds. But that's not the rule. And Nie Smith

(34:42):
put his hand on his shoulder. That was foolish, yes,
And then on the one where and then on the
step through, it's like you broke you broke Shade's rhythms.
You played great defense, you forced him to take this
really weird step through move, and then you hit him
on the forearm. You don't like to call under the
circumstances of especially in the context of the push off,

(35:02):
but that's the kind of call it even Collins, that's
right you that's undisciplined. And that's really been the issue
for Nisa. He's undisciplined in hacking on day and then
like Jay Dug like literally just bumps him off like
he's a child.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Exactly.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Crazy, it's it's a man again, jab goes again, Snee Smith,
And it's just been a problem.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yes, and I do believe that's why.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Okay, see to your point, they have the confidence now
they know they can go in on the road in
game six, and probably they don't want to go back
to Oka see either, So go ahead and just wrap
it up tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
And Jason, we appreciate you.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
For our jobs, for our jobs too. Like let's I
hope they just close it out because I think if
they go, if when they make us wait around until
Sunday to watch the Thunder win by forty, it's gonna
be it's gonna be a frustrating.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, that's not gonna be a good film session for
you on Sunday if you got to wait for a
forty point blowout to get done so you can do
that rather than spending time with your wife while it's day,
I know that would not be fun. Yes, exactly, Jason,
we always appreciate it. Can't wait to talk to you
next week as we will at least either way, if
they make it to Game seven, we'll be able to

(36:11):
wrap up this NBA Finals here and be able to
talk about it's either Okac or Indiana. But I do
believe it's going to be Oka. See that we'll talk
about next week as an NBA champion.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Jason, Thank you so much, my friend.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
Yeah, maybe we'll have a KD trade next week to
talk to right, Oh, yes, you next week.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
That's right awesome, Thanks so much to Jason Tim right there,
host of Hoops Tonight. Subscribe to his content. I'm telling
you he's growing. He's becoming an NBA guy that people
lean on to understand because he does such a great
job breaking down film and also being able to then

(36:52):
take that film knowledge and then being able to communicate
it in a way that it's easily digestible and you
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And we will continue this Wednesday edition of the Richmond
Weaver Show presented by Ingles Markets right after this live

(37:14):
from the Ingles Studios right here in downtown Greenville on
North Main Street.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
This is the Wednesday edition of the.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Richmond Weaver Show, presented by our good friends at Ingles Markets,
and you can join the conversation. I know we've been
running pretty fast. Just had Jason temp, host of Hoops Tonight,
getting smarter about the NBA Finals tomorrow night OKC in Indiana.
But you can join the conversation eight six four two
four zero five to four eight zero. Any of your

(37:41):
thoughts about the Buffalo Bills in the craziness that we
have seen losing four Super Bowls and this is coming
off of the heels of the Edmonton Oilers two consecutive
losses right there in the Stanley Cup Finals. And yes,
you still have to celebrate the Florida Panthers with back
to back victory. Reason how that is, Don't get me wrong.

(38:03):
I'm just saying that it's still amazing what Buffalo did
for Super Bowls. Nobody's done it since, right, not even
close hard well, I mean I shouldn't say not close
Kansas City Chiefs. They continue to showcase that they can
be one of the elite teams, and you have to
celebrate that. But four consecutive and then losing, and then

(38:24):
you lose all four to NSC East teams right. That's
something that I really did not pick up on and
fully think about years and years ago until we were
just going over it.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
I think that is in a different class of its own,
and the sense of difficulty because you have to be
a certain type of really good but not good enough.
Like there's a there's such a fine line that you
have to ride there. It's like, Okay, we're good enough
to make it to the super Bowl every year and
win our entire conference, but we're still not good enough
to win it all the way.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
But that is weird psyche Yeah, yeah, and fan again,
It's what I said. I think it's it's a twisted
badge of honor that you're there.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Oh, but it's the letdown. It's no wonder Buffalo fans
jump through table.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
I probably would too, exactly, Yeah, no doubt. Yes, you
have to take your aggression out somewhere. You have to
have some type of release. So just go destroy things
is what Buffalo their mentality. All right, let's take a
look at some of the latest headlines.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
It's only one game that's to take care of men.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Hitting the latest headlines. It's the daily rundown.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
All right. In college baseball Coastal Carolina. The Shanta Clears
are up six zero right now against Louisville, and this
is an opportunity. If Coastal Carolina wins, they go to
the finals. And so this is a big game right
now for Coastal Carolina as they are seeking another College

(39:59):
World Series championship. So go Coastal Carolina. All right, how
about this? We did see the PGA Tour they were
able to walk into the NFL and take the second
in command, Brian rolap Oh as he is now the
new PGA Tour CEO. And my thought was, well, that's

(40:21):
a hell of a move. Go grab the guy that's
involved in the big Gorilla, one of the best marketing
machines we've ever seen the NFL. Yeah, and if you
want to increase your marketing, your visibility, your hope for
fan engagement, whatever you want to do. And then also

(40:42):
could he be the guy that could be that mediator
to bring back yes, live players and PGA Tour players
to have one entity that fans can again have those
heroes and villains and then be able to cheer just
one opportunity. So yes, I think it's a very smart
move right there. And we talked about viewership moving the

(41:06):
needle in Caitlin Clark. Remember she had a thirty two
point game on Saturday in her return since her injury
on May twenty six, and that game drew over two
point two million viewers and it was the third most
watched w NBA game ever on ABC. This is just
a regular season game, and it's the third most watched

(41:29):
w NBA game ever on ADIES.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
The needle.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
She is the needle, and it's going to be interesting
because last night, I don't know if you saw a
little bit of a rut guss going on with Indiana
Fever and the Connecticut Sun as they had players going
at each other based on a foul on Caitlin Clark
and some unnecessary roughness. And yes, I'm using an NFL
term right there, because it was ridiculous that once again,

(41:56):
I don't understand why she has such a target on her,
but it's that hero villain mentality.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, but the WNBA players are going after Kate Ewn Clark.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
But as we've talked about, all boats rise are are
lifted with rising tides.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
So hey, players enjoy it, right, embrace it.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I'm not saying you help you out thereby let her
do whatever she wants, go defend her. I get all
that you want to win, but my goodness, trying to
take things out on her, I just don't understand it
from that perspective. All right, here in college football, not
here locally, but in college football, about this. Louisiana is
raising its taxes on sports betting from fifteen percent to

(42:41):
twenty one and a half percent on online betting so
it can divide the twenty four million dollars that they
generate through that tax across eleven state schools that have
D one football programs to help offset the car of
revenue sharing.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Interesting, and you don't think it's a big business and
you don't think that greed is out there. We want
our team to win.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, when you start having the balls being made, taxes
being affected, yeah, I can promise you this is a
big business. And this is not the end of how
we're going to see some of those things that shake
out until we have truly one entity right and being
able to have collective bargaining.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
How about this. We got the NBA Draft next week.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
South Carolina Power forward Colin Murray Boyles has received a
green room invite to attend the NBA Draft with his family.
That tells you right there that they expect him to
go in the top twenty.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
So that's big news.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
And then also former Clemson basketball player Victor Lockin, he's
actually moved up the draft board up to number fifty
one as the top sixty NBA Draft prospects, So there
might be a chance that a Clemson player will get
drafted in this draft along with a South Carolina player.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Also.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
All right, that's some of the latest headlines, and we'll
wrap up this Wednesday edition of The Richmond Weaver Show
presented by Ingles Markets. Right after this, the Richmond Weaver
Show presented by Ingles Markets continues right here on one
oh four nine Fox Sports Upstate the Wednesday edition. As
we have already blown through the first half of the
month and now it is June eighteenth, it is going

(44:28):
by fast.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
So let's walk back in a little bit of history.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
What happened on this day. Let's go back in history
to the moments you might have forgotten and the ones
you'll never forget. It's OTD.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
On this day, nineteen twenty one, the University of Illinois
would win the very first NCAA track and Field championship.
Oh wow, as they would outlast Notre Dame, who would
finish second.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
So nineteen twenty one, yeah, way back over years ago.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
I'm surprised it took them that long to come up
with the track and field, like you think they'd have
a championship before that.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
We've always ran people have running with that.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Hey again, I think that goes back to I mean
completely ancient times.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
This is the.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Simplest form of competition. I think I can outrun you. Yep,
I can get there faster than you. And also part
of it was too, is that you had to run
because of predators.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Well that's true, yeah, you know it's like you had
to chase pray.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, oh, you had to chase pray. Yeah, exactly. You
had to run fast. We do know that, and you
had to start racing and see who could be the fastest,
all right. Nineteen sixty Arnold Palmer would beat amateur Jack
Nicholas by two strokes to win the US Open in
nineteen sixty and then in nineteen sixty seven, Jack Nicholas
would beat Arnold Palmer for the US Open. So yes,

(45:46):
they went back and forth numerous times there and in
nineteen seventy five.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
How about this this again? Records? I love records.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Bobby Orr of the Boston Bruins wins the Norris Trophy
as hockey's best defense men for the eighth consecutive year. Yeah,
that's why you're in the Hall of Fame. Pretty quickly.
And in two thousand, mister Tiger Woods would turn the
one hundredth US Open into a one man show, winning

(46:15):
by fifteen strokes. Yes he was minus twelve. The second
place person was plus three's. That's insane.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
That is OTD.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
And that is this Wednesday edition of The Richmond Weaver Show,
presented by Ingles Markets.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
We'll talk to you tomorrow.