Ali Act 2.0 Discussion: TKO/UFC, Monopoly, Rankings, Pros/Cons, Netflix, Recap Shields, Zayas, ShuShu!u!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, what are boxing fans? This is the rope a
Dope Radio podcast. I'm your host, Chris Carlson. We are
live on a Tuesday night. I hope everybody had a
good weekend and early part of the week. John will
be joining us here shortly. We will start the show

(00:22):
talking recap. Obviously he didn't he was on vacation last week,
so we'll let him kind of talk about the last
two weekends. You know, Wu Sik and in all the
fights that happened the weekend before as well Zaiaz. You know,
Xander Ziez did his thing, as did Carrington Shields. There

(00:46):
was a good main event scrap on overtime on was
that Friday night? I believe goodlow scrap from the UK.
We'll talk about that and then we'll preview this weekend.
It's it's a little light, you know. We have dwar
Day and Simms Junior pro Gray and Diaz gotten made

(01:07):
not long ago. We'll see how great a shape those
two are in. And then on the show. You know,
last week I hadn't really been able to have time
to discuss the the revival, the Ali Act revival. I

(01:27):
have a little bit more information actually, you know, a
fair amount of information on it. Now. I haven't talked
to John about it, but I'm assuming he probably read it.
If not, uh, you know, we'll we'll see how that goes.
But we'll just talk about We'll just talk about it.
You know, there's there's some things that you up front
that you're kind of like, oh, okay, yeah, that that

(01:50):
sounds good. It doesn't sound bad. But then you know
there's layers where you're like, man.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
To be a UBO.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
The UFC t k O, I should say, sure, has
a head start on a lot of people. So well,
we'll talk about it. I gues said, we'll talk about it.
You know, whether it's who's gonna rank their fighters? How
many fighters are they thinking about signing in the next
year or two. You'd assume a lot if they really

(02:21):
want to make some noise. But yeah, we'll talk all
about it and then a little bit of follow up.
I did get a fair amount of messages about the
designed pay per view the second sub A variety of
folks coming out of the woodwork talking about the number

(02:42):
of subscriptions. Got a really good message that I want
to talk about as well. You know, with Turkey talking
about the number of subscribers and how this new second
you know, sub pay per view model will actually grow

(03:05):
the sport, it'll help his own blah blah blah blah blah.
And he may have just been kind of shown his
ass a little bit or to Zone's ass, I should say,
because if he says this amount of subscribers, and he
says us UK in the world, and I remember reading
that quote and didn't realize when I first saw it

(03:26):
that it said in the world. But the numbers that
he brought out kind of lend itself to not like
the number week that's out there for his own worldwide,
how how many they have, I'd.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Say it's definitely lower than that.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know, we know they don't have a lot here,
they don't have that many in the in the UK.
But we'll talk about it in general. I'll kind of
respond to, you know, some some folks stuff that they
are folks, messages that they you.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Know, they had some some questions and queries and complaints,
Let's put it that way.

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So per usual, we're gonna start in the ring. You know,
we're not gonna go uh directly into you know, the
new revival reviving the Even the title kind of sounds corny.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
They're going to revive the boxing, the US boxing. We're
gonna revive it. Although it's gonna help us the.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Most anyway, Xander Ziaz Right, They looked pretty good, you know,
early on, jabbing fairly well, landing the right hand in
the jab to the head and body. I liked what
I saw out of there. The second round had kind

(06:02):
of like a slow first part to it, but then
you know, it caught up a little bit. In the
second part of that second round. Ziaz was moving pretty nicely,
landing the better shots in the last minute. The jab
really guided the way in round three, and you know,

(06:27):
Xander was landing and then he'd kind of keep his distance,
he kind of reset. He was doing a good job
of keeping it in the middle of the ring like
he did in the fourth round. Fifth round, a little
bit of two way action, but Xander was making a miss.
I do think there's times right around here fifth round

(06:47):
and beyond where he could have landed more. Though too,
I think he was playing it a little too safe.
Sixth round, huge right hands early, two of them, two
or three of them. Garcia did land back nicely, but
you know, the last maybe thirty seconds or so, so
some really hard punches landed by Xander. Seventh round, you know,

(07:13):
it was kind of it just started catching up to
Garcia as far as just.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Just sloppy offense, you know, missing with.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Wide punches, not really being that effective at all. And
like I said, I do think like the eighth round,
I thought Garcia had a fairly good round. I still
think azayas you know, landed the better shots. But like

(07:42):
I mentioned, I thought he played it a little too
safe at times. Now easy for me to say, but
I'm not saying, oh, step on the gas. He could
have got him out of there for sure, nothing like that.
But I did think he was being a little too
cautious down the stretch that fight. And I'm not even
talking with the last ninety seconds or something like that.

(08:05):
But overall he did dominate you know, the rounds. That
really wasn't any kind of argument, right, I mean, how
many rounds could you even give to Garcia? So it
was a good performance. He got the job done. Garcia
was coming off, you know, an impressive win heading into

(08:25):
that fight, so you know, he landed one ninety nine
to one thirty.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
He was a lot more accurate thirty eight percent overall
to twenty two percent, and almost sixty punches to the
body fifty nine and thirty one. So I did like
that jab like I mentioned, going to the head and the.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Body by Xander. You know, I liked what I saw
out of him for the most part, but you know,
sometimes you're not gonna look great every single time. There
was a lot to like about his performance that I
will say that overall. So you know, who's up next

(09:13):
Ferndora would be a you know, good matchup. Now. I
don't know this to be one factual, but let's just say,
if if what the side of Xander Ziez xanders Ziaz

(09:36):
was talking about that the Fundora aside wanted to put
a weight limit, like a rehydration in there. Obviously not
a huge fan of that. If that's true and that
stopped the fight or let's say next in the coming

(10:00):
year or whatever, if that were to stop the fight.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
That would be that would be bullshit.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Obviously. I don't know if it's factual, but just hearing
that kind of makes you like scratch your head, you know, like,
what why would you huh? You know, you know, obviously
the IBF besides unifications, the IBF does have a rehydration

(10:31):
clause and whatnot. So but yeah, I don't know, I
don't know if that's true. I'm not saying it's not true,
you know, but if that's what Samson was trying to
you know, pull pull that that that's that'd be weak,
that'd be very weak. But yeah, I mean there's so much,

(10:56):
you know, so many fights a pluffor row fights for
Zaia as in the you know, we'll see I think
someone's gonna have to push him even more to see
his ceiling. You know, this was an easy fight for him,
or you know, not that difficult. Maybe I should frame
it that way, but overall, a good performance. Like I said,

(11:17):
kind of left some stuff on the table, but overall
I thought it was good. All right, Bruce Shoeshoe Carrington
and the was itte hatera. I think it's like Hata
like hater but Hata no Carrington. You know, the jab,

(11:39):
the right hand looked pretty good. There was a really
nice right hand by hat in the in the first round.
Second round, Hata land in more right hands early, the jab,
the right hands, the body. I really liked what I
saw to Carrington in that form. I gave Carrington most.
The second round was close. The third, fourth, fifth, and sixth.

(12:01):
I gave all to Carrington, like I said, the right
hands to the body and head. I thought he closed
stronger in the fourth more jab and right hand working
the body and had short shots up close in the fifth,
the sixth round the lead right hands, then mixing in
the left hook more and more as the fight went on.

(12:24):
I did think the first round I thought was clear
for Haita was the seventh the hooks, the uppercuts, the
really the right hook especially. I thought he did some
really good work there and he carried it in the
eighth round because it was a two way round. I
did think some of the hooks that Carrington landed while
fighting off the ropes, like fighting his way off the ropes,

(12:49):
I should say I liked. I liked it there. The
ninth and tenth I think you could split those rounds,
so there's another round for Haita. But I thought that
it was more Carrington down the stretch of this fight,
kind of moving on the outside more and more. I
thought some of the stuff he did in the eleventh

(13:11):
stick and move was pretty good and you know, solid.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Defense, the cleaner lands.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Carrington looked pretty good. I know Bradley was kind of saying, hey,
you know, if this guy hata face this dude, his
head would be off, you know, in the front row,
or he didn't say that I'm just kidding. He did
say he'd go over the ropes, though, and then he
kept naming the champions and saying this what he would
do to Hayda, this is what he would do to Hada.

(13:40):
He basically he was saying Carrington should have shoeshoe hnded
out of the ring. Basically he should have went for
the knockout, is what Bradley was basically saying. And I
do think he did kind of like Xander Ziaz get
a little bit careful, I guess you could say. And

(14:02):
like I said, it's not the last part of the
last round. You know, if you have a championship or
a big fight and you're winning and you're winning cleanly
the last ninety seconds whatever, even the last round. But
it was in both cases, I thought it was before
the last round, so they could have done more instead
of just wanting to stick and move mode. But either way,

(14:27):
Carrington end Ziaz did get the job done. We'll talk
a little bit about you know, some other action too.
I'm gonna go ahead and bring in John into the
fold here.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
You should be popping in any second.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
There we go. All right, what's going on? John? How
you doing? Hey?

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Hey, Chris, how's it going tonight?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Not bad man, not bad at all. Actually, let me
put my camp wrong.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
Yeah, I had mine off. It looked like for a
second there, that's right.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
How was I was vacation?

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Sir? Oh, thanks for asking. I had a real good
vacation down the Jersey Shore last last week and.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Very very relaxing.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Had some family joined me down there, my brother, my
brother and my niece and my son was was working.
He's uh, he's in law enforcement, so he's got some
he's got some rough hours there. Yeah, I bet, yeah,
but but it was it was good vacation.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Okay, nice, you gotta you gotta unwine on the Jersey Shore.
I'm actually gonna go. You know, it's funny we we
call it up north here. For some reason, we say
up north when we're going to northern Minnesota, like on
the North Shore by the Loop, we call that the
North Shore. But when you're just going straight north where
a bunch of lakes are like chains of lakes, we

(15:59):
just call it up nor. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
People from all the country like.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Give me shit because they're like, oh, really, you're going
to Alaska or where you're going?

Speaker 2 (16:07):
You know what I mean, you're going up north.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
You're already north, you know, but yeah, next week kind
of during the week, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to
get out of the city for a couple of days
and get on the lakes, you know, and just enjoy
some of this summer that would go. We got like
a month left before college football kicks in and all that.
So on one hand, you know, I'm happy that football

(16:29):
is back, but in the other I'm trying to relax
and you know, get get all I can out of
out of summer, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
I agree with you, Like we were talking a couple
of weeks ago, I feel like that's where the cycle
of the summer in the whole country has changed a
little bit, especially in Northeast because it was one of
the last holdouts where for the reasons you said, you know,
a lot of your summer activities get pushed more into July.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Now.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
You know, when I was a little kid, especially in
Northeast New Jersey, it was like, you know, you were
you were straight through the Labor Day. You know, we
were right, we were literally vacationing on the Labor Day weekend.
That's that's in the early seventies that that was part
of our couple of weeks and that was common, very common.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
It was, you know, he's very A lot of kids
start on Tuesday, you know that Tuesday school, but I
see a lot of people starting before the holiday. Now
that's what changed.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
I mean, all that kind of stuff changed things, especially
more in the South, but but in other areas too.
It's even come a little bit more to Jersey, to
the Northeast, and it used to in some spots at
least by a couple of days. There they still go
the latest in that calendar. But yeah, I felt like that.
And then the increasing popularity of football. That's why when
you mentioned it, I felt like that was a factor

(17:47):
that that's football just got more and more popular. It
was popular, but then it just it just got to
where NFL college football dwarfed everything else. So people do
get focused on that when college starts and having their
season creep up. I remember again when I was a kid,
when they remember when they were short in September one
one year, it was a big deal right early exactly.

(18:10):
Then you went into August and you went way beyond that.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, over the years, they ad a game at a
game at.

Speaker 6 (18:16):
A you know, yeah, I do remember when it wasn't
twelve games, that's for sure, during the regular season and
obviously in in you know, NFL, you know, there was a.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Time of his twelve games. So we'll talk about what happened,
you know, this last weekend. But since you didn't join
us the prior weekend, you know, with Usik and whatnot,
I would like you to get your take. A lot
of the historians coming out and trying to rank usk

(18:49):
I personally, you know, I kind of I stay in
my lane. You know, Do I know some history, Yeah,
of course, I love boxing. You know, I know some history,
but I do like to let I don't know, even
historians argue with each other, right, I mean that that's
what happens, you know, that's that's the whole debate. But yeah,
I'd like to hear your take from the weekend overall.

(19:11):
We'll start with Usik just because you know, the dude.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
Well, it was a lot of activity and a lot
of activity, and I got to be fair, I'm not
backing off going in. It certainly didn't work out that way,
and it's definitely worth breaking down. Yeah, I mean, I've
been thinking about it quite a bit actually, because which
you know, Usak and Dubois, even though they had fought once,
I felt like at the stage it was one of

(19:36):
the best fights I could have been made in boxing.
And I'll still stay by that going in, even though
it didn't work out as any kind of a good fight,
so to speak. Sure, but that in part says a
lot about boxing too, because I'll stay with it. But
then I'll I'll say that says a lot about where
we are. So you know, I'm kind of looking combination

(19:59):
of actors. You know, one thing, going in, You're looking
at Usik's age at thirty eight, even though he hadn't
really shown any particular decline, and you're saying, well, you know,
at any time, maybe he could show that. And then
you know, Dubois, we were it was very unusual, and
I've said, as we talked about it in real time
when it happened, you know, it was unusual to be

(20:22):
saying like, well, it looks like du Boise taking a
good shot now and showing showing your heart. But we
ended up getting to me a combination of factors where
Usk and if people want to, you know, really praise
him for this, I get that like, you know, he's
very fresh at thirty eight. You know, he didn't obviously

(20:46):
show any decline in fight, so you had that factor
usic not declining at thirty eight, which is is hard
to do. Give him all the props for that. And
of course he is good. We're not saying he's not good.
He's still on the face he did you know, never
been never been officially down. But we also on the

(21:07):
other side, let's just say it, even though Ustik's real good,
because we've seen this from Dubois before, we kind of
got the old Dubois like you know, I mean, I
told you the one thing that's tip stuck and sticking
out for me that I couldn't reconcile. But then I
was kind of at a point where you were kind

(21:27):
of starting to overlook it was the guy was almost
out against Lorraina right in the early part of the fight.
So you've you know, even though he had that, and
you know, his effort in this fight really wasn't wasn't
very good.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Let's face it.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
I mean, let's look at the first was what was
the first knockdown? Okay, you know we've seen a lot
of replays of the second knockdown. You got caught with
a shot by you know, I did put this on
X afterward because I saw you saw with people getting
a little bit too carried away USI's got three stoppages
at heavyweight. Two of them are against the other ones

(22:10):
against Chas Witherspoon. Now, he hurt Fury, but but he
didn't of stopping him, and Fury is a huge guy.
But I mean that's still where we're at. He's he's
got three stoppages at heavyweight and two of them are
against du Wa and the other ones against Chaz Witherspoon.
So what I'm hinting around there is that says something

(22:33):
keep it respective. It says something about du bois too Now,
you know, I totally you know, I have always, you know,
in my time following the sport. You know, the history
is a big part of it for me. I think
you made a good point, Chris, just in a sense.
I was a little surprised that some of the historian
types were saying and not all of them were that.
But I feel like we need all the boxing fans

(22:57):
we can get. But I do feel like in previous
generations of boxing fans kind of being more cognizant in
the history, went with the sport. And and you know
what I will blame for that is I'll blame for
that a lot. Something I rant about every week we talk,
which is, you know, promoters and TV doing cheap, cheap

(23:21):
promotion of fights that aren't that good by just talking
about alphabet belts.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
So well, for instance, this was an undisputed fight.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Correct, two time undisputed, even though he never lost the
title in the ring, But somehow this is historical that
he's two time undisputed. I mean, that's the kind of
nonsense we can't be talking about. It's it's just and
and that I think that's what gets people clouded, because
I was even a bit surprised, like, okay, you want

(23:50):
to start king oh sick, but you want to do
it because he stopped du Bois.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Right, yeah, like this is the thing that put him
over the top, you know.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
I mean it's not like Dubois hadn't had these problems
in the past. We were thinking he was over him,
but I think now and and I did put this
on X afterward too, because I was trying to give
people some food for thought, and these are the issues
I think still matter you've got to adjust, and.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
This is just where I've adjusted.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
You know, I'm looking back then at that Lorrena, which
I never forgot about because the guy was a cruiser
weight and he's got Dubois and all kinds of trouble
early almost stopped. But then now I've shifted. I think
now Dubois probably probably Dubois, and you know, Miller, Miller

(24:40):
had been awful lot even though he's a big guy,
his punching power as a heavy, he was always more
of a volume guy. And then Herkovich, Dubois took all
kinds of shots for him from kept coming. I mean,
who's the best guy? Hrkovic's knocked out, you know, yeah,

(25:01):
and obviously you don't come to a quick answer to that,
So yeah, exactly. And I thought he had a good
right hand. I thought he's really mechanical.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
But Zang could have had him out too if he
would didn't get tired.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
Exactly right, he had him out on his feet basically.
But but what I'm looking at there is now, this
is like if Duba won the fight fair and square,
don't get me wrong, but we're getting into the analysis
of it. I thought, because Dubois did show a lot
in that fight where he kept taking shots coming on. Yeah,
Herkovic was getting a little tired from just hitting him.

(25:32):
But and Dubais the cut was caused by a punch.
But and and you know that's a fair win for
Dubas and you know he caused the cut. But I
did have a feeling there, like, you know, if Herkovic
wasn't cut, I'm not sure Dubois was gonna you know,
was gonna win that fight right now, fair win. But

(25:53):
I'm just so here's what I get to now. He
he obliterated Anthony Joshua talked about that before fight.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
That still stands definitely.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
But my revised analysis based on what I saw with
Dubla against Usik is the Joshua fight was probably the aberration.
And what it probably is this is my educated and.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
He probably got up for that one knowing where it
wasn't all out right.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
But it's probably my educated speculation that I'm going to
operate on this theory right now that du Bois and
Joshua both have power and such flawed gins and resiliency
that if they fight five times, you're gonna probably you'd
probably get five five wild wacky results, which then I

(26:43):
also did post I would propose, and sometimes the promoters
will come around to this type of thing. You probably
can sell that rematch because fans probably will start sensing that,
and maybe Joshua himself will even sense it. Even though
there was a brutal ko that, hey, look if I
get in there with this guy again, you know, I

(27:04):
heard him right before I got knocked out, even though
I'd been in all kinds of trouble, I may just
start throwing bombs at this guy from the first bell,
and it's going to be somebody. Somebody's going you know,
and and fans. That's entertaining for the fans. So the
nineteen fifties, they probably would fight five times, right and
exactly you probably would get that. I agree, So I'll

(27:27):
throw that out there. But then then so conclusion on
that fight, Dubois Usik too is like, you know, part
part Usk being good and being very well preserved at
thirty eight. Yeah, part Dubois, the Joshua fight is probably
the probably the aberration there, and that that we we

(27:51):
need more, We need to see more to find out
what that was about. And then we probably probably just
got a little carried away with you know, Miller and
Herkovic as opponents, even though the effort was better for Blaw,
no doubt. But you just you watched this fight with Usak.
You just saw you saw the dublos that was in

(28:14):
there with Lorraina and Joyce and Ushak the first time,
and you know, I can't get that out of my mind.
I mean, you know, so so those flaws. Look, you
got to give Usa credit for being really, really good.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
And then he took care of business when he you know,
when he had him hurry, took care of business.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
And I like that a lot too. I agree with you, Chris,
that's something you got. You got to give him a
lot of credit for there. Whatever he was in with, right,
he took care of business. This guy wants to go,
I'm not going to play around with him. I'm getting
him out of here and still a much smaller guy.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
So yeah, beautiful shot, too.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
Beautiful shot. You know, give him all the credit in
the world for that. The guy, the guy takes care
of business. He read the situation, got him out of there.
But you know, I saw like like a guy who
who should know what he's talking about today. That's the
part that is bothers and he's he has Oosick number
two all time, ahead of Ali with Lennox Lewis's number one.

(29:13):
And I'm like, what what you know? You're not And
when you do lists that there's another thing you should
do then, especially at heavyweight, okay, like make it clear,
like there's a historical way to do a list where
you look at what the guy accomplished in his era

(29:34):
and you just leave it at that. Okay, Yeah, then
there's another way of doing the list where you're really
saying like, well, who would have really beaten who there?
And we know it styles, but but you're leaning more
that way. I see these lists like are all over
the map, but they're missmashes of this kind of stuff.
And like to me, when you're working to a lot
of fandom and Tyson will be ranked high and you're like,

(29:57):
well hold on, hold on, yeah, and then some of them,
like I thought then he'd be the guy they leave out,
but then they got him at like five.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Which is is too high.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
They totally they totally forget about Joe Fraser, who's the
closest guy to beating Ali in his Ali's prime, dropping him.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
We know what kind of Chinn.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Ali had and look, you know, Joe, Joe Fraser only
lost to two guys, Muhammad Ali and George Foreman.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
That's not a bad loss.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
I'm not people don't get when I start to see
in the Joe Fraser disappear and I'm like, wait a second, guys,
you're not you know, you're not getting it. I mean
this guy lost to Muhammad Ali and George Foreman. You know,
I mean you got to you got to keep that
in perspective. And his style would if you're looking to
fight who's fighting who, Who's six style wouldn't be a

(30:53):
problem for him. Sure, Yeah, I'm serious about that, like
you know, like like that's a style that you know,
that's that's what made Joe Fraser tough for Ali, you know,
because the head movement and he has that ability to
put you in the corner, to put the pressure and.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Just kind of in that low center of gravity real tight.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
Yeah right, and have the resiliency, you know, I mean
Foreman is just you know, Foreman just just the strength
and you know, just you know, the style matchup and
you know, Fraser took a lot of shots in the
Ali fight, but I'm going to carry it away. But
like one one historical person I saw. To me, this

(31:34):
was a little bit more of a saying, take like
if you want to start saying, like a like a
Vladimir Klitschko was around ten and then USI's maybe shown
to be more resilient and he's still undefeated. You know
that you want to start saying, you know, maybe maybe
I'm you know, I mean vlad Clitchko lost to ross
Purity early in his career. They quit there then you know,

(31:57):
got stopped by Brewster Sanders. So you know, if you
want to say, I mean, but he had a long
run as lineal, So that's what he's got in is fair.
That's That's the other thing that bothers me, Like historians
need to know this. And I don't like when some
historians then want to play the alphabet game instead of
holding firm. I mean, I'm a traditionalist like this, and
and I saw historians who know better weakening on this,

(32:19):
Like one analysis historians got to go right to historian,
you're not looking at alphabets, you know. So I mean
Usik beat Fury for the lineal title. Okay, this is
so this is defense number two right, yeah, yeah, And
I'm like I saw people. I'm not gonna call him
by name, but that's what did annoy me right right

(32:40):
an hour after the fight, like even some of the
good analysis, like I said to me, the better analysis,
like well maybe you're talking about him as ten well,
but but it was still wasn't put in perspective that
he beat Fury for the lineal He's made two defenses. Yes,
and then we're throwing Joe Frazier for a while too,
once a year for a while too. So like from

(33:02):
his I mean, Anthony Joshua has never been the lineal champ.
I mean a historian, especially at heavyweight. You have to
look at that, not even close. It's not it's not
He's never even you know, challenged for then.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah he had a chance to.
But he did exactly right.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
I mean, and you know, I always felt that hern
didn't put enough emphasis on that. I mean, you know,
the guy been around a while. It was time, like
it was time to actually kind of target that and
at least have the guys start saying it. I kept
waiting it, and I just for it. I just never
heard it much. So let's throw the alphabet parts out.
So and then I saw again the fanboy stuff like

(33:39):
I saw then people again who should know better saying
like well he beat all those cruiser weights and stuff.
Well again, that's still that's not lineal heavyweight championship. I
mean that that's still like I even look at that
as a historian, like when I'm doing that as a historian,
which I think is the way you do when you
come up with the good results, you know, you start
then evaluating it, like, well, what if there only were

(34:01):
still eight divisions, Like let's say there wasn't a weight
like some of those guys, including Usk himself, they would
have to me ranking like they would have been around
nine or ten a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Hey yeah, yeah, you're right, because they would have been
heavyweight right.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
Away, right, so you know, like they would have been
like contenders. But that still wouldn't have been like Usick.
He wasn't the lineal champ when he was, you know,
a cruiserweight camp, so he would have been a contender.
I look at it that way, like I look at
it in a historical perspective. He was like a long
time heavyweight contender who took advantage of his lineal shot,

(34:37):
got it. You know, later on you know, then beat
your in the rematch, which that makes that conclusive. And
you know, so now he's got du bois was you know,
with the state where we're in, he was like the
leading available contender. I've got to even say that. It's
kind of kind of sad, but so yeah, so that's good.

(34:57):
Like you, then you start talking about him, you know,
maybe like whoa is this guy top ten? But you
know this is putting him near the top and saying
there was even fool saying like the greatest heavyweight ever
and right now the only way you could try to
do that, I wouldn't agree with it, But like you
then got to say, I'm taking it as a it's
who B two and I think five trained guy with

(35:21):
his abilities, right, But they're not saying that, They're like, ye,
well then all these too or something like that.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
You've got to rank theory pretty damn high, then too
exactly right, you got to rank him super high if
it was six, number one or number.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Two, exactly exactly. So that's my take on that part.
With the history. I was a little surprised how overboorn
a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
I think some of it is just Twitter impressions too.
I really think so.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I hope anyway that a lot of it's just impressions
that they're trying to create engagement. Yeah on Twitter, I
really hope at least maybe fifth percent of it is that,
because if not, it's just.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Like hey, yay, you know, like talking.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
About waiting for like like some of the real historians
and a couple of people were and they weren't coming
out really with the right analysis and that I did
find I'm with you, I found it disturbed. I did
find it disturbing. And I think it's where boxing, like baseball,
to me, was always like this too. I think those
were like the team popular sports, but I think they're

(36:29):
they're both very historically oriented and it used to really
go with the and it used to go with the
fan bases, especially intense fan bases I see in boxing.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I think a lot of it is this alphabet.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
Nonsense and the lack of credible writers and things like
that that you know, I see some people just losing
losing context of the history in the last two years.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, because the same reason in the FOURD Belt, the
same reason during the Ford Belt stuff that we're in
that then dispute, it didn't happen it just so happens
that it's happening now because it's allowed to happen. You know.
It's you can't weigh it too much. It's great you
got all the belts, man, that's phenomenal, but you can't

(37:15):
take away from people that didn't do it because it
was politics. So either way, you know, now it's a
hot thing to do, you know, every other week in
the women's side of the boxing, they're undisputed, you know.
But I do think people, although it's great sometimes that's awesome,
we're getting the belts together. Of course they go right

(37:37):
back alone, you know, and they go right they get
stripped anyway, so you're not keeping them together, and they're
getting stripped for bad reasons.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
So and it's it's allowing cover for bad fights because
it goes under the assumption that the alphabets are their
belt holders are the best post matchups, and and they're
they're not. They're not, especially with all the weight classes,
and especially with the politics of the alphabets. I mean,

(38:07):
they don't even rank the other sanctioning bodies champions and
the rankings are just filled with corruption. All you gotta
do is look at them.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
When when was that a habit that started even in
the three belt era. Was that something that always was
there for a while, like ranking not ranking the chaps outside.
I remember, I remember like as.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
A box of it.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
It goes way back.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
But I remember as a boxing fan when I found
out they were doing that, I was shocked at how
bad it was because it's so stupid, like in my
early boxing fandom days with the alphabets, like I just
assumed they didn't do that that I started looking at
it like why is that? Then I thought, well, they're
just doing that. Then I saw it was actually policy,

(38:53):
and that's what I got. Got outraged like that because
it shows it's just all crooked and corrupt the Key
themselves going and you know they they don't they don't
rank the other alphabet organizations.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I don't remember when I found out about it, I
think somewhere in my late teens, but I just remember
looking at the Ring anyway and not giving two ships
about the belts that I just looked at the Ring rankings, and.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
That's what I remember finding out about it, Like because
they used to credit, they used to get on them
more than they do now, which I loved. Yeah, same
with me, I think It was in my late teens
and I.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Was reading The Ring or something and I was like.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
That that I saw that they were making fun of
it or something that I saw like the writers then
used to make fun of all the time they would
go at them. I used to literally roll on the
floor laughing. Du you know, ridicule so hard it was hilarious.
I remember that one guy, Jeff Ryan, who was a writer.
He was always funny, the k O and all them

(39:56):
and mm hmm for you know, long long and you
I would I would just be laughing out loud. Yeah, right,
you know at the newspaper writers would do it too.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Oh yeah, that was the thing that because it's not
to be taken serious, so therefore that's how you deal
with it, you know. And when you're a talented writer,
it comes off the page really well. You know, that's exactly.
But you know, the USAK thing, I just looked at it.
It's like, hey man, this guy keeps showing it. I

(40:30):
didn't think he should be moved up anywhere on any
kind of ranking for this fight. I just thought it
was an awesome usak. He looked freaking sharp from the
jump he finished him off. What did you think about
the video that was going around with Dubois at his house.
Would look it looked like that it was an after party,

(40:53):
but it was really a pre party. What do you
think when you saw that? Like, wait, a set?

Speaker 5 (41:01):
Yeah, I go into a little psychological analysis there, but
but when you live enough life, it doesn't you never
get all the answers. But yeah, if you look back
on and they you start figuring out more, it might
be true. And I would take that as like, especially
when you see this guy perform in the ring.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, why mindset like he's satisfied like.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Or like see I would That's where I'm going deep,
Like he he probably has a real lot of anxiety,
and and that's sometimes when your anxiety reaction, you know,
you make an excuses for yourself before the fight, even
like he's not going to say it to anybody, but like,
oh I was part you know, I was in an

(41:41):
hour before the fight and instead of like you know,
you're gonna you're gonna go in and you're just gonna
be completely prepared and if you lose, you lose, but
you're you're not going to give yourself any excuses in it.
That's why I looked at because to me, that's almost
the only way you can explain something like that with
a guy like him who's already had those downs like

(42:03):
like because because look, you know, and there are Look,
I'll leave it to pro boxers who were saying it,
like you know, Lennox Lewis said said it, uh, plenty
of others so Sergio Morris. So it's not like you know,
you want to say John un right, howfers saying it,
But hey, I'll just leave them that to the pro boxers.
They're saying this guy could have gotten up. He's got

(42:24):
a problem, you know, when the fight gets tough and
he feels like it's really going to be tough, that
he really doesn't want to be in it anymore. I mean,
that's that's that's former profight. Doesn't mean they know everything,
but on an issue like that, So we'll leave that
clear that that's you know, former pro fighters saying it

(42:44):
about the game.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, and we have more than one example so that
you look at it, look at a guy.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
But I think in a way it's comparable, even though
I don't want to put the blade this level of behavior,
but you'll know what I mean, Like you know, Andrew
Glo who had but then he had those moments like
why and I really was like crazy anxiety. Like in
other words, you know, in the first fight with Bo,

(43:13):
you know he's doing great, he just continues hitting him low.
Second fight brutal war to me, one of the most
underrated brutal wars where Lota is taken a lot of
shots too, right, and you know, the corner really had
the scream at him. It looked like he wanted to quit,
but then he didn't and he had that bad faceration

(43:33):
under his chin after he got dropped.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
You know, Bo can hit.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
I mean, you know, Bo is a huge puncher. There's
no doubt about that. You look at his career. I mean,
the guy's a huge puncher. So but then Galata then
you know he goes through all that, then he starts
doing it again. You know, like it was a brutal fight,
and there's something with there's something with the guy. I'd
heard stories from people in boxing in gyms and things

(43:56):
that that he just saw the guy have strange behavior
in the gym, just like you know, leaning against a post,
just crying, crying, you know, I mean, I'm not allowed
just like you know, so like just a lot you know,
people with you know, hey, boxing is the toughest sport,
That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
So that's the thing. It can be embarrassing, it can
be a lot of things.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
You know, right, embarrassing you could get killed in there,
you know, so's injury. And so I'm just saying like, look,
you know, that's got to be interesting with somebody like Duban.
You know, he was better against Joshua Miller and Herkovic,
but we've seen this before, so there's something there and
maybe in this bigger moment that that that the guy

(44:39):
just anxiety, whatever problems he has there he was not
down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, and with all eyes are on you during that spot.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
It's it's it's hard to know how the normal person
would react, you know. It's it's it's pretty it's you know,
I know, even wrestling, facing the number one guy in
the state and he didn't pin me, but he scored
a lot of points, and it's just like I couldn't
do much to him, and it was just in front
of like your friends and family, and it just really

(45:12):
like I wasn't hurt like physically, but mentally after that fight,
I felt like, you know, I felt really bad.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
Yeah, and wrestling is just one on one on one
just like that.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, exactly, nothing you can do about it.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
You're just getting beat you know, Yeah, and you're trying
not to get pinned, and that's about it. But it's
just a it's just a weird feeling. It's almost like
I'd rather just get punched once and be knocked out,
you know, just like just get me out of here,
you know.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
So, yeah, that one more thing I had under water,
and I didn't that that would be one thing that
would be consistent through all the good and bad. And
we talked about this too. And I'm not saying this
is why he lost the Usik from physically being beat up,
but he took so many shots, you know that that
was possibly going to be a problem for him, even

(46:03):
though he's still young. But but the thing I was
getting to is the one consistency though through all the
performances that maybe Usik is just a guy that's good
enough to really take advantage of. That is there was
no defense. That's that we can say. In the Miller fight,
the Hercuvic fight, the Joshua fight, he got caught right

(46:23):
before he took Joshua out the absolutely no. The guy has.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Absolutely no defense.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
So you know, Usik's you know, a talented guy with
boxing skills, so you think, you know, to bos there's
just no defense there.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, especially at the heavyweight division, no defense.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
It can be even different, you know. Yeah, all right,
So onto the Fundora beat down at Tim Zoo. You know,
Tim Zu got knocked down early, did come up and
try to throw those wild shots, and it just could
not get inside, couldn't jab his way inside, couldn't do much.
And when he's rendered on the outside bouncing, you know,

(47:06):
kind of kind of trying to counter with these loopings,
it's it's just not gonna be what he's gonna be
good at. And I really liked what I saw the
Frondora with the jab and like keeping him at the
end of his punch and and you know, I thought
that was, if not the best, one of the best
performances from fron Door. Let's talk a little bit about

(47:29):
that fight in the card in general.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Yeah, it was and uh one, you know that that
one I felt like I got right more ye didn't
didn't pick the stoppage, but Zoo did end up you know,
retiring the corner, you know, stoppage, but I mean, you know,

(47:52):
he was just he was just losing, losing the fight.
The one thing I liked at a Fundor I saw
was because he's devastating with it. And I feel like
the problem is he might not want to always take
the risk. But when Zoo was trying to get something
going a few times then Fondora ripped that uppercut he has,

(48:14):
that's devastating. And mean he was you know, like control
was control was re established. I mean, yeah, you know,
I mean that's a devastating punch. I mean when he
I mean, even though he's so big, so tall, even
when he wants to lean on somebody and just start
doing that, you know, he's coming up with that leverage.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Those arms are.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
So long and he gets everything behind it, and you
just see the effect that that shot has on people
when he commits to it. It's it's just devastating. So
I like that, And you.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Know, Zoo.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
Really, you know, you look at the fights, even as
earlier fights like like kind of the way you described Christo.
I mean, really the way he actually likes to fight
most of the time is trying to do that and
you can't do that against Fondora. Yeah, so you know,
and I think where people were maybe a little unfair

(49:12):
to Zoo. And this again too goes to the watering
down of boxing, like you know, it did get to
a point at one point fifty four when he was
on his run that you you know, he did even
for me, like with all seven you know, to me
again to make too many weight classes like he is,
you know, in the top couple of guys. But it

(49:34):
was his talent level really at that probably not I mean,
I mean, let's just really look at it, like, you know,
he took a break when he was an amateur for
a while. I think he said he had hand problems,
but but you had a while he didn't even fight.
And I brought this up before because Horn really was
not that good, you know, he survived Pack yeah that

(49:54):
one time, but the outside of that very limited guy,
when Zoo was matched up with Horn, and Zoo was
actually underdog, I mean, even though he blew him away
and dominated him. Like so what I'm saying is like
even in Australia, like they weren't you know, at that point,

(50:14):
they weren't looking at like, they weren't looking at him
like he was that you know, he was simp. He
was you know, Costazou's son, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
But but like I don't.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
Think anybody was looking at him at like a as
like a top prospect. But then he blew away Horn
so easily, you know, and everyone's like, hey, maybe you know,
maybe this guy can can fight some and you know,
he started getting wins over the credible names. But with him,
you know, even though there's styles make fights and stuff.
What I'm curious now again with the analysis has to

(50:47):
always morph and shift, Like I'm a little curious to
see what Mersally is like like because he was nothing
before that. He was he was an IBF coddle, no big,
no big wins or anything. Kept doing the step aside thing,
you know, totally blew away Zoo. But like if we

(51:08):
see now in his next fight against a decent name,
even maybe he doesn't look that good or you know,
then then you might kind of put the whole picture
together and say, well maybe Zoo, you know, like Zoo
to me, he might have taken it as far as
he can. And like I saw a lot of like
the next day, a lot of talk like oh what

(51:29):
a shame, And you know, he had that cut and
he was with PBC and they mismanaged him. I'm not
I'm not going that far with all that. As I
saw the common commentary after it. I'm kind of more
operating like this might have been a guy who took
it as far as he could with what he had.
I do feel like I got it right that Spencer

(51:51):
may have overachieved. I think it's possible he got you know, yeah,
I think it's possible that that he really was at
his you know, a.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Lot of those people, John, we're probably saying he's gonna
knock out Thurman too, you know what I mean, right,
although Thurman's style lends itself to not getting knocked out,
you know, besides to the body of course. But yeah, yeah,
I'll tell you this though. When he was getting announced
in the ring, his eye, like his whole being just

(52:22):
it just didn't look right. It was like, man, I'm
doing this again. I gotta show hard. He showed heart
even when he went down, he kept fighting and all that.
You could see he's got a spirit in him to fight.
But like you said, it just you know, got about us.
I like the way you put that, got about as
far as he could and and Uh, you know, I

(52:46):
don't know, like you'd have to really rebuild if you're
gonna I don't you know what I mean, I don't know,
you know, but.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
I think it's kind of fair to say they can
do what they want, but the sport's so dangerous. You know,
if you can't spend the money, what good is it
going to do you. I mean, it would seem to
me that, you know, I think he took it as
far as he could. I think he'd be a good
candidate to call it a day. I agree, you know,
That's what I'm thinking. And to backtrack a little, I'm

(53:16):
going to go opposite A lot of people. Even with
the performance USIC just had, people were saying, why retire.
I'm the exact opposite. He's thirty eight. He hasn't taken
the damage the money Masaudi's have gotten him in these
recent fights. You see the figures. Why why not be
able to spend it? I mean the sunset, you know,
right off in the sunset, Why take the chance? You

(53:38):
know people are looking at you historically now favorably. Why
why take the chance outside of the history it's heavyweights,
you know, you step in the wrong. He's thirty eight.
Your brain doesn't take it as well either. At that point,
you stepped in on the wrong night. You take all
those shots, then you can't spend the money like you
could have before.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
That it's not it's not worth it. So mostly the
continue to clear out the divisions, like what more does
he really have to clear out? Though? Right? Like really,
I mean, okay, Parker, okay, great, But I mean is
that gonna are you gonna put him up another notch
for beating Parker? Like, I don't know. I just that
I did notice that A lot John, a lot of

(54:17):
people say, continue, man, continue, Yeah, it out.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
It's like, what's more to clear?

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I couldn't. I couldn't believe.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
No, I couldn't believe more people weren't saying that. I mean, look,
it's and that's not a bad thing for the sport.
Let the guy get out with his faculties intact at
thirty eight, off off a good performance with a lot
of respect, a lot of money, a family, and you know,
just right off into the sun, right off into the sunset.

(54:48):
One thing I'm going to say with a Parker fight,
because nobody's gonna sell me that Parker is that good?
If Usik were to fight him next, I mean, and
Usik would lose. Usick have to me, Usik would have
to fall fall off a cliff to so I don't
need to say. That's one time I'm gonna agree with Turkey.

(55:08):
I don't want a trauma. But but I actually think
Turkey was right, Like I don't need I don't want Usak, Parker,
I don't. I don't like if if Usik loses, it's
going to be because he's got nothing left all of
a sudden.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Marker is better for at some point right.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
Right now, like the one guy who has a style matchup.
I'm not saying he would beat him, but knowledgeable people
were saying that, like, if you want to really to me,
make it like a quote unquote good fight. I think
Usak should retire. But if he doesn't, I mean, Caviel
arguably has the best style matchup to threaten the guy
because he can box a little bit, he goes to

(55:45):
the body, ferocious body attack, and he's not afraid to
be aggressive. That would be the one fight that at
least you could maybe say, maybe this will be interesting.
But Parker, I'm with Turkey on that one. I mean,
I don't I don't.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
I wouldn't pay big money to make that fight.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
No, you get have the belt, you know.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
Fine, that's why I always look at that, right, let
him have it.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, and Cabell every every stage so far, you know,
he's he's got every match up, he's shown like, all right,
this dude is legit.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
He seems pretty legit.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
So yeah, I mean, if if that's the fight, yeah,
you're right, if they I don't want to see a
third fight with now, I don't. I don't want that
a you know, you've already done that. We've already been
down that line. So yeah, if it is Kabel, I
wouldn't complain about it. That's for sure. This moment for Kabel.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
And since I was saying it's worth mentioning Jake Paul
did get face to face with him. Yeah, I'm not
saying it was. It was gonna be a good sell
boxing wise anyway, but Usik was so dominant against Dubois,
you know, it makes Jake Paul like, it makes it
a little harder sell, you know, like even though nobody

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in the right mind would be expecting Jake Paul to
win a fan base that doesn't know boxing. But still
with Who's that coming off such a dominant performance, it's
a little you know, like in other words, if Who's
struggled or something like that, and then hey, Jake Paul
is gonna get a fight for the heavyweight title, right
But you know, after that fight, even Jake Paul was

(57:26):
talking about an m M A fight and nonsense like that, that.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Would be a lot of balls if he stepped up
against I mean, I know it's a lot of money,
but still you're gonna get knocked out, you know, so
that that would be a lot of balls.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
But yeah, that's obviously could just take a lot of
money get knocked out. He fought for the heavyweight title. Yeah,
but you know who's you know, I mean, that would
be a good cash out, a safe.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Cash out for Yeah, yeah, that'd be fine with me, man,
that'd be That's okay with me.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
But yeah, I just I just kind of.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Wish we'd get back to appreciating the fighter right now.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Don't worry about where you rank him.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Just appreciate what we got because you know, he's gonna
be gone here soon with usk, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
And he's you know, he's become lineal champ. I mean,
he didn't need to be bog In for that, but
that's a defense historically, and that's a good thing. That's
what I mean. Like to me, he has like done
at all. I mean, he ended up becoming a lineal.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Champ in a short amount of time for the fights
number you know.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
Right, two defenses of the lineal title.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
But you have seven or six seven heavyweight fights something
like that.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Yeah, sounds about right somewhere in there.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yeah, yeah. I just he's just been a blast. He's
a funny guy too out of the ring. It's just
every step I just just appreciate seeing him.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
And what he's done.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
It's it's been great. And that's what I'm more worry
about than you know, where you got him on your
on your list, especially if it's ridiculous, and you know,
obviously the further you go back, the smaller the heavyweights were.
So he would have an up at that point. That's
fair because then he'd be more, it'd be more, you know,

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but you said some other things. Yeah, true, but there
are some style matchups that all of a sudden don't
exist right now. Guys don't like who can come forward
like Joe Frasier right now the last few years.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
No last you go back for me. That's what I've
been saying that like twenty twenty five years. And I'm
not even blaming the fighters that nobody wants to take
that damage, right yeah, And like you know, like what
can you say? You know, I mean, you can't really
know what we know about headed injuries even more now
and like but the fact remains right. But but but

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he was fighting like that, you know, so he did
that like right exactly, Like now, just nobody's even willing
to fight like that, right, So that's a different that's
something new that has not face.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
And plenty of people thought AJ had him in trouble.
You know, there are some moments where you thought, I
don't know, I just it's difficult to say this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
You know, this era of that era.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I do think that if it's a deep era, then
you're gonna get more credit obviously, you know. And you know,
although we've commented that this has been an entertaining era
and it was better than the vlad era because you
had more people and then we had some great fights

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and upsets and this and that, and even you know,
as he was making his way to heavyweight. You know,
not many people thought he was gonna go all the way.
So it's just been entertaining. It's not to take anything
away from you know, Wilder and Fury and all these guys,
but you know, none of them are in the top

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five or top two or top three. But who gives
a shit, you know, it's it's just a fun era.
And we finally got some stuff going on with the
heavyweight division, and it was fun. We got we got
a lot of great fights or at least solid matchups
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
So anyway back to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
So Fandora, I mean, you know, I think that he
might be able to beat everybody's division. I could also
see him beating someone in the you know, within the
fight and getting stopped or whatever. That's just him. I
wouldn't take away from him. But one fifty four to

(01:01:31):
me is up for graps kind of like it's been
besides when Mel had it, but still he had to
grind his way to keep it and like Castano fight,
the first fight and all that, and it does seem
like Mel's going to return this year. We'll see how,
you know, Dremal goes there. But I just one fifty four,
it's just it's wide open. Let just hope they can

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make the fights. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
That's kind of the key there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
And then you know, I was I was okay with
the draw with Patio and Barrows because neither guy really
did enough to be like, yes, I want if I
had to choose, I would choose pak Yall. But honestly
I was okay with it because pak Yall looked good early,

(01:02:16):
then didn't do much, then he closed pretty well. Barrios,
you know, looked good when he threw his jab on
the right hand and then he let off the gas,
and I did think what his trainer was saying is
you're you're respecting him too much, Like what are you doing?
I like the corner work was great in that he's like, hey,
he's not the referee in there, He's not this, He's

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not that. He's going down the list of like, hey, dude,
you gotta win this fight here, And I gotta say,
pak Yow. You know, the ugist style in what he
can do to somebody compared to Barrios, you can't really,
you know, compare the two. Obviously, so Ugas was able
to stay on game plan and make him look his age.

(01:02:58):
Although Manny of course is gonna look his age because
he's old for a fighter anyway, I don't want to
make us seem too old. But you know, like he
actually bouncing around. He actually looked better than I thought
he would. But you gotta keep you know, I gotta
give him credit for that. He did look better and
I can see that he's going to continue now. But overall,

(01:03:19):
what what are your thoughts out of this? Should they
you know, cash Pacio out and give him a big fight,
or like, where we are you at with this?

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
Because obviously he's gonna keep fighting. Yeah, I mean he look,
Pacio's gotta need money. I mean, let's let's really say,
you know, it's not it's not discussed enough like this guy,
this guy's gotta need money because.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
I'll discussed enough because he's a nice guy. John right,
exactly exactly. They'd be honest ass about it, exactly because
you know, then his management saying afterward and money wise,
I do get it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:50):
They're they're like, nobody wants to see this Barrios fight again,
which nobody does. We're gonna fight Tanker, yeah out, you know,
those those probably will sell pretty good. That was what
fan base he's got left I mean in the context
of today's boxing, because of course there's no numbers on this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Yeah, and though they were round, he still, man, he
brings them up that way. I'll give him that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
But even Pakia's management was implying that it wasn't a seller.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Oh no, no, Yeah, there were places, you know, and
then they had a big ticket drop and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
But the people that were in the building.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Still were like, that's my guy, you know, and he's
just that type of fighter, you know. Oh definitely. But yeah,
even if there's a thousand people, those thousand people are
gonna make a lot of noise, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
But I was like with you, I mean consensus, and
I think consensus probably right, doesn't mean I agree with
them all the time, but like Weissfeld kind of consensus,
considered the best, most reliable judge. He had a draw.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Yeah, so that's what I look at too.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
I mean, a lot of people screaming Pakia won the fight,
but like even them in a couple of days afterward,
it's crazy, as a lot of them were. It didn't
even it seemed like there weren't like a lot of
cries or robbery. After a couple of days went by
you know, so that's kind of like what you're saying

(01:05:18):
with the draw. So I look at the same way,
like could you've given it to package You could have.
I kind of had to come with this analysis a
bit like the Ustik daboag just in a certain way
where like like you said, you know, pakiaw for a
forty six year old guy, I mean he he brought
a little more than you thought, just bouncing around, and

(01:05:40):
he's able to keep his volume up higher than somebody
his age normally would.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
But still in like a hundred punches, you know, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
The only landed like what eighteen percent or something like that.
But you know, Pakiyaw was bs and the judges too
with the dancing around on a bit like you know,
a lot of it was showing a sense of yes,
I mean you know, bounce, bouncing around and then moving
his hands. I mean yeah, yeah, like that's where I

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was really And then Barrios probably I am just gonna
say this because I think it's true. You know, you
get with the analysis like I was talking about with Dubai,
I think, well you got to go with Barrios the fights,
the aberration, because let's look at his whole outside of
the you know, fight, this dude has not this dude

(01:06:32):
hasn't had to I mean, what are the good performances,
you know, so I don't care where he's ranking. Everything's
so watered down today's boxing with with the weight classes
and everything. You know, is this guy, this guy, you know,
the number three welter weight in the world or whatever.
I mean, you know, like I mean by default.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
But it's like, come on, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Just like, yeah, that's what it is. By default.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
It's by default. So he ended up he ended up
being as bad as his worst. Detractors said, I would
say that that's so true. And Pakia was able to
do a little more dance and I thought he might
be able to move the hands. But where I was
really disappointed in Barrio was, you know, post fight, because
I think you can say that's even not being in

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there when the guy's forty six and even as of
now we speak, he hasn't want to fight in six years. Yeah,
Barrios is saying, well, Pacio could still crack. I had
to be careful to me. Come on, man, yeah, come
on right, come on, like really, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
All he had to do is throw his hands a
little more he would have won the fight cleanly, right,
I mean, come on, it's pretty seem pretty basic, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
Yeah, so I don't want to see this again. Barrios
is going nowhere. We know that too, Like, like Barrios
is going nowhere. I mean, like the type fight he
had with.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Abble, Yeah, at the last performances.

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
Like that's his level. I mean, that is his like level,
you know. I mean, because Ramos has talent, but but
he just doesn't throw enough. I mean, if that dude,
he's he's been like that his whole career, you know,
if he was ever consistent like throwing right, like, he
can hurt you and there's some talent there, but he's not.
We've seen him a million times.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
He's just not.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
But you know, Barrios, you know, he barely survived.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
That, just barely, I mean just by the skin of
his teeth, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
Yeah, so he kind of shows you where he's at.
I mean, you guys fight with him. I think with Joshua,
we have to start looking like, excuse me. With Dubai,
the Joshua fight might have been a bit of an
aberration just because they're both so flawed, and with Barrios
that was my conclusion from that same weekend, like we
gotta then recalibrate and say, look theose the guys fights,

(01:08:47):
kind of the aberration because you look at his whole
career outside of that, and you kind of really see.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
What he is. Yeah, I agree, And someone's got to
take the damn belt from him. Yeah, just get just
get it, get the bellet like it's it's he's not
a deserved belt hoolder.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
No, that's the problem with alphabet belts, like right, you know,
like like and this is where it gets absurd because
and this this I'm gonna point this out because this
is the problem with boxing. But as it stands now,
one of the major problems. Ye, let's go back a
month ago when Boots Ennis was not talking about moving
up to one fifty four. I mean, you talk about

(01:09:24):
putting many, a forty six year old Many Pakia in
with Brian Norman or Boots Ennis, and I mean, you know,
you get arrested for murder. I mean, like, so, so
what are we talking about here? Fans like, oh, he
moved his hands and danced against Barrios. Yeah, but but
if he would have fought Norman or Ennis, yeah, I

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mean you'd be feared for the guy's safety.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Yeah, And I didn't see.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
Any of that. I didn't see any of that perspective
like transnational I did. I did speak out against this,
like they put in enter him at four, and I'm like,
if the guy enters based on what he's done in
the past, okay, I'm okay with him entering, but but
only entering, like you know ten or something, guy hasn't
want to fight for six years.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean these.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Are people, you know, this is like, you know, people
who really follow this stuff, but getting caught up like
how's he, how's he?

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
How's he number four? Pakia?

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
I mean, how's he? We Yeah, I mean I mean, look,
even though you know he had some injuries and stuff,
like Stanionis gets dominated by Boots Ennis.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
But but he's in with Boots. He's in with Boots Ennis.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
Yeah yeah, right, like that to me, that's the point, Like,
you know, when he's fighting, he's fighting Boots, He's fighting
Boots Ennis, right, I mean, Patio is fighting Barrios. I know,
Pakias forty six, Yeah, you know, get a feel good
moment that he survived it and people thought he won
the fight. But let's let's keep respective. I mean, I'll
say this, Tank's got a lot of problem right now

(01:11:00):
with a bad performance and legal problems. But I'm gonna
feel comfortable saying this one. Even with all that he
gets in there with Tank, he's getting annihilated. I don't
care if I don't care if they fight at welterweight.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
In his style sets up perfect for tayk Come on it, buddy,
come on in, do that around me.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
Yeah, it's true, right, that's one of those tanks not
going to be doing any reaching up for him or
anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
I mean, you know, it's like a perfect matchup.

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
And when he gets to detonate right at that level
like that, like I talk about Cruise, you see the difference,
but tanks, it's very short for you know as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, short,
That's what I mean. You what tank unload on somebody
who's right there on that level?

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
One always takes risks, you know right now, because you're right,
he was sloppy. He wasn't accurate, which he shouldn't be
at this point four years, but you could see he
was missing a lot of shots. Like you said, the
crowd still was all loud when he but like that
didn't even land you know, so comp box again.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
I like it as a tool, not like necessarily to fight.
And they had both of them for abysmal punches landed rate.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Yes, like both both. I mean that's I mean, that's pathetic.
That's bad. That's it's really bad. That's difficult to do.
I rarely see that, right if you see that it's
a one side. One fighter has that seventeen percent, the
other one has like a forty two or something, you
know what I mean, you don't normally see both on

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their twenty percent.

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
I mean that was good for Pakia's health under the circumstances.
I mean, I don't want they got to get hurt.
But he's a four look even as a boxing fan.
In his story, he's a forty six year old guy.
He shouldn't. He really shouldn't be out there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
No, just and like you said, a lot of people
don't want to say it, but it is money. There's
just no other reason otherwise. He just want to do
this one to feel good about it and then move
on right in case. You know, he said it before
the fight that he's going to continue, and clearly it's
you know, it is actually sad uh, you know, but

(01:13:09):
it is what it is. I did think Joet Gonzalez
probably won that fight against Figueroa. I thought he landed
the cleaner meaningful shots. Now Figureo, to his credit, did
come on. But you know, is he is he just
shot worn? Is he in between styles? Because when he

(01:13:32):
you know, at times he looked more like his brother
when he had his head rested and just swing it
like dude, what are you doing? Like I smothering his
own work. He looked like Omar Figaroa, not Brandon Figueroa.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
Now I think I think he's on the down side
because he's got looked.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
He looked terrible in the Fulton.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
Rematch, really really really bad. And I thought he won
the first fight, you know, and he looked terrible in
this when he and you know, Gonzales is basically a
glorified journey man. He comes to fight. Yeah, but I
think figure Row is on the down. He fought with
that high, real high contact style. Yeah, some people said

(01:14:13):
he had to. I don't think he did have to.
I actually do think with his attributes. I'm in the
camp and I've seen him from very early on in
his career, when he was one of the PBC guys
that you know, in the early network shows, they would
put him on the underground stuff. I mean, you know,
he's a bantamweight and stuff, but he never wanted to
fight using the physical attributes. He wanted to get his

(01:14:35):
head on you and you know, throw a lot of
punches and brawl and he's always been an entertaining guy
to watch. But I think that's caught up to him now.
It's been too high contact for too long, and I
think he's on the down side. I just think he's
going to be an easy mark for somebody at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
You know, you could argue he.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
Did enough to pull it out, but you know, Gonzalez
even always come in to fight and he's had someone's
where he's been competitive, but you know, that's a you
should be just beating.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Clearly, he shouldn't look at good because sometimes on those counters,
I was like, WHOA Joette is really lighting his ass up,
you know, and then that's not even right the way
you fight. He actually said that, you know, hey, we're
gonna it's like a measuring stick of where figure O
is at.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
If he has problems with him, there's a problem. Well,
there's a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
There's a problem.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Yeah, I think he's I'm going to say, I think
he's on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
The down side. Yeah, yeah, I'm right there with you.
It'd be nice if Gary Russell Jr. Could get a
good fight here, because you know, he can't have that
many more fights left in him. Onto this wenkend Xander
Zaiez just one sided Garcia. Carrington one sided his opponent.

(01:15:48):
What do you make of it? John?

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
That was kind of a microcosm of why this top
ranked deal didn't work. I mean, and look, I've said
in recent years down the stretch of it, and he
you know, and really want one guy's continued to stand
at the others not as much like I said for
them down the stretch when they were fading. Like best

(01:16:12):
case scenario at this point is just just give all
you got with Mason, Keyshawn Davis, and Carrington.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
You know, Carrington's performances have kind of dropped off some.
He's old for the weight, you know, for where he
for where he is at that rate, by the way,
twenty eight years old.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:33):
Keyshawn Davis kind of you know, got off track recently.
You know, he said he has some good performances and
something weren't as good. You know, Mason has continued to entertain,
but like, you know, you look like the Carrington opponent
was not that good. He came to fight maybe more
than we would have expected in a good way, but.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
As overhand rights were landing pretty good.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
He was trying. But but like I thought, Tim Bradley
had a good fair job with the commentary in some
way he was saying that what he was saying in
that one, you know, because he's been doing the top
rank and he fought for top rank. But he's saying like, look,
listen to the fans. You know, the fans are not
in I mean, but but Bradley's making fair points. I mean, yeah,
the fans are not entertained. I mean they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
They didn't have a lot of power either, but he
sure tried to wear you down, right, He would have.

Speaker 5 (01:17:24):
He would get into some good fights anyway, even though
he didn't have power, you know, most famously against Pravodnikov.
But but you know, like so Karen can like and
that that's when then I start thinking like this, like
I mean, you know, like he Carrington wasn't fighting like

(01:17:45):
a prime Marco Antonio Barrera or Eric Morales, and that's
where I start having problems with these guys, Like you know,
then then the fight itself, like if Karen Can's fighting
that way and maybe he's just trying to get a win,
keeps the fans entertained enough the significance. But like when
you're fighting the unknown guy who's trying harder than maybe

(01:18:06):
we expected, but still isn't that talented. It's like Bradley
was saying, I mean, the fans are not entertained. You know,
you got to you gotta do something, you got to
do something more. You're you've got the ESPN exposure, right,
and just just that's kind of not getting the assignment.
I mean, And but that's also the problem. Like look,

(01:18:27):
people talk about like well we want to see and
there have been some great fights and the great fights
of all time. I mean this was featherweight. You maybe
get that more when you go below featherweight. But still again,
I like I always say, UFC doesn't even have those
classes for the men, Like you know, they had them
when it was WEC, but they didn't even bother emphasizing
that right with the uf FC when they folded that.

(01:18:50):
Like what I'm getting at is like it's featherweight, you know,
so that's like again promotion like well, you know when
you're putting you know, not that they're having them in
great fights we could come up with, but when you
start getting lower, especially below featherweight, but you know there,
there's more chance of that happening where the power's not there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
So yeah, you're right, it's it's probably gonna play out
that way a lot of times than if you can't
do it there, you know, right, And I mentioned this
right right, when you're getting on it's one thing to
do that ninety seconds left of a fight that you
have won. You know, that's different. A lot of people
hate that. I don't. That's fine, but it seemed like

(01:19:29):
he was on cruise control for quite a while, you know, right,
And there's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
A difference there.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
Yeah, And where I was thinking, like it frustrates for
me with the top rank type deal, like then we
sat through this, then they're talking about them, Oh well
maybe we'll have him fight Espinosa. You know, I've been
saying this with guys like Carrington who look good, Mason,
like like the time is now like like like not
a top rank deals gone right, so like well, sorry, guys,

(01:19:57):
too late, you know what I mean, Like you know,
and you know, like look, Leo pulled the upset and
ended up getting a belt. You know, when he knocked
out Lopez with that big shot, I was entertaining. But
like le I'm gonna point that out of point out
at the time, like Leo was a guy who used
to you know, he'd been on PBC cards before. He

(01:20:18):
was just kind of there as an opponent like in
an alphabet belt fight, and he pulls the upset. But
like that is my point, Like you weren't building up
Leo or anything. He he just got that whin Like
you know, That's where I was saying, like move up
in a way, or you know, have Carrington. Sure Carrington
might lose, but he might not lose. He might knock

(01:20:40):
he might step up and knock the guy out. Like
these are the miss kind of opportunities, you know, and
then we get this these kind of fights. And it
was the same really for me. Zia's in the main
event was basically like same analysis. I mean, you know
the Garcia he got the one split decision upset over Conwell,
he done nothing you know outside of that. But then

(01:21:03):
you know, to me, I just got to say it
when I'm watching these, like Gauzaias has really leveled off
to me, like, you know, Zaias is fighting the guy
like he's fighting John the Beast Mugabi or something. Yeah yeah,
and like and that that that this was a perfect
example of the alphabet cover type stuff, which to me
is ruining the sport. So like, it's not that great

(01:21:26):
of a fight, so top rank is going to trot
out the reliable wb O belt like they always do,
and then that they're they're gonna sell it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:34):
Oh, he's a world champion, he's the youngest Puerto Rican
world champion and all this, all this stuff for a
fight that's not we knew it wasn't going to be
that good and wasn't that good, and then they think
they're gonna cover it with alphabet stuff and make it
smell good, you know, Like like Zaias is leveled off.

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
I mean, you know he's young, but he's had enough fights.
I don't think it's that anymore. Like you know, yeah,
you're right, enough fights, he's had enough fight. He's way
leveled off. It's been going on for a while. He's
not gonna he's not gonna do good when he fights
a really tough opponent. You can already see that. I
feel comfortable saying that guys just leveled off. He's you know, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Not fifty four, Like, there's no there's not a tome
like if you look at the top five six guys,
it's gonna be it's gonna be tough to beat them.
You know, you gotta, you gotta it's you know, it's
I have a feeling that it'd be kind of a
mixed match, assuming Crawford didn't come back to the division, right.
I just think that that that guy can beat these two,

(01:22:37):
but then he get beat by that. Then you know, Virgil,
you'd like to think that he could beat everybody, but
you know, he we still need to see it with him,
and we have seen him in brawls where you're like, man,
if you fought that way with him, you get you know,
you'd lose the fight.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
I just goes back to let's hope these damn fights happened,
because it's the thing about fifty four. Most of it
was at the PBC prior, so you knew the fights
were going to happen. That was one of the most
successful that, right, you'd probably say that was their most
successful division because of how long it went and changing
of titles and great fights and upsets and you know

(01:23:16):
that type of thing. And they did let it organically
play out, you know, and oh that happened. Okay, let's
let's match up against him then, you know, and and
they gave it felt like even if you're the B side,
you had a fair shot. But you know, speaking of
the top rank, you know, with Bob, God bless him, right,

(01:23:40):
I hope to be even shit even that age. You know,
I mean, this this guy, it's phenomenal. How with it
he is? He is? I mean is it's it's phenomenal.
And he's still good for a couple of great lines.
And is Bob, you know the old I was lying yesterday.
Today I'm telling the truth. You know, you don't know

(01:24:02):
what to believe with Bob. You just don't when it
comes to certain things. Not discrediting him or anything like that.
But you know, he says that he's got two to
three deals, it's just a matter of finishing the negotiations.
He says, one is a large streaming service. But then
he also says, you know, he's got some sort of
linear television, which it seems like, well you're on that.

(01:24:25):
You know then that had been good to keep that.
But you know whatever, you hope that there's h that
that's true. We'll see. Obviously they don't have anything scheduled.
But if it's it's a matter of a month or
something and there's an announcement, okay, if it gets to
a few months, you start to go, I don't know

(01:24:49):
his own is there waiting for it. But other than that,
it's like where you at with this? Where you at
with this? Because rumors?

Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
But I I think Aaron is smart enough to know
just I mean, I'm not saying he might not take
it if that's all he's got, but he knows to
the zone can't do anything for his product. I think
he aar smart enough to know that. Like he's still sharp,
he follows things. He knows what's going on, you know,
the ideals like see PBC. It just hasn't come to

(01:25:20):
fruition like you'd like to see it. Like, I mean,
Amazon's got the reach. If the cards would just be
on regular Amazon.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
It's activated.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
I mean now that streamings, you know, I've shifted myself.
You have to look at what has happened. I mean,
now that as you and I both saw, and you know,
it's official for the first time in history streamings past broadcast.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
It's more than fifty percent now.

Speaker 5 (01:25:45):
So now now to me, you just do have to
just like Netflix, and that that makes Netflix and Amazon
the top players, and stats are going to back that
up too. So you know, we've got Crawford l on Netflix,
and we've got PBC with an Amazon deal that has
barely been on a regular Amazon, which has been the problem.

(01:26:08):
But like if that were to shift, if fights from
PBC or Top Rank would start getting on regular Amazon,
that would help the sport. Or if Netflix took a
further step and started putting any of these entities fights
on regular Netflix. That's in this era we're entering what

(01:26:31):
the sport needs. I mean, nobody's going to see him
on his own, nobody's seeing these pay per views. I
mean we we both said that, and the evidence is
all there. I mean, even even turkeys. We've been encouraging it.
A bail on it, he's talking about he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
He's trying to pull the old Oakie dog on us. Yeah,
and a lot of people don't know that term but
the old oak, the bait and switch. Uh, well, we're
going to get into that now. There was a report
John about Netflix getting into it. Now if the source
is legit, I don't know one if it is or not,

(01:27:10):
But there was a report out there that said they
comboed PBC in Jake Paul and it was Netflix. It
was sport business. Okay, So I'm not gonna sit there
and say it's the top of the line and they're
always right and all that, but it was a report.

(01:27:31):
Streaming service Netflix is reportedly seeking further expand its entry
into live sports by targeting the PBC and Jake Paul
and obviously his promotion, okay. And also I remember sometime
in twenty twenty three Netflix weighing up moving or Wang

(01:27:51):
weighing up move for live boxing rights, like they're they're
getting to it. And then also a sports there was
the This was in July eighteenth, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Same source.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Netflix claims sports Live strategy unchanged. We're still we're still
gonna do it. And obviously, uh, Amazon Prime just as
the NBA now they have Thursday in the NFL among others.
Netflix has been one off so far, but it does
sound like, you know, maybe they want to get involved. Obviously,

(01:28:24):
you throw top rank, if you could somehow throw in
a perfect world PBC top rank at Jake Paul, throw
them on Netflix, get them a deal. Now we're now
we're cooking. That's kind of becoming that's become my mediot.

Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
That's kind of become my main hope now because Netflix
is getting more NFL this year. One thing, that one
thing that you know, it was good that I read it.
That was that New York Times article bout a year ago.
I mentioned to you a few times where they just
talked to all the top streaming people and felt like
it was just going to come down to Netflix, Amazon

(01:28:58):
and then one other pull, one other player that we
would see. But I think we're that's the direction I see.
So But but in that article, what what you know,
the Netflix had had said and they you know a
lot of times it's bs, but not with them, it
doesn't seem to be. They seem to me to be
following through on it, whether it be the movies, the sports,

(01:29:19):
whatever the case may be. Your philosophy is, and this
is where it would be a hope for boxing. Like
whatever they feel like their subscriber wants to see and
adds value to their service. They will break out, break
the bank, break the patient with the bank out right,
they'll wait though, right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
They showed profit, and they're like, all right, now, let's
linger here a second and make sure we make.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
The right move.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
And what they've said is if they just evaluated with
their standards and they're like, this is not this doesn't
add enough for our subscribers, like that, they're not going
to buy it. But like so like you know, they're there,
this looks like we'll get you know, they've had a few.
Now we're getting Canelo Crawford. So that's where that helps
with like getting away from this pay per view because

(01:30:08):
the implication I get from them is that like and
you know, look they're adding NFL when you know how
much that costs.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
So it's kind of like, if.

Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
We feel our subscribers really want this, you know, we're
just gonna pay it and put it on you know,
you get it for your.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Monthly, for your book. If it's not overpays, boxing is
relatively affordable, right, if it's not some kind of crazy overpay.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
Yeah, if they give them, you know, good fights for
what they're going to pay. And that's where boxing in
recent years has had more problem than ever. Yes, like
if they just stick to quality control themselves and say
like okay, yeah you're willing to pay us, we're going
to give you a good one here. That's that's where
boxing is had a problem. But you know that because
it's got the reach and with their with their philosophy,

(01:31:01):
like in other words, it seems that pay per views
got nothing to do with their philosophy, right, So that
would be what box it needs.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
You'd have to reach.

Speaker 5 (01:31:10):
They've got the money, like you said, I mean you
I was reading their money figures last week too, like
their official financials. I mean, they've got an insane amount
of money, an insane amount of money right now we're
talking about the Saudis. Of course the Saudis do too,
but like Netflix has got it for a company. Netflix
has got it insane about a buddy right now. And

(01:31:31):
that's how good. That's how good they've been doing so
you know now, And.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
It was a cut throat to get here.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
It was cutthroat business.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
You know, a lot of people losing money on streaming.
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:31:43):
The happy Gilmore too was a disappointment. I gotta say
that was heavy. Yeah, yeah, can't be heavy. Can't be
you overdose heard. I was like, all right, we got it, Yeah,
we got it right, can't be I mean to like it.
I wanted to like it real bad because and I'm like, man,

(01:32:05):
you know, I tried to. I'm like, I'll give it
the thumbs up barely.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
But you know, just probably some middle schoolers that love it, though, John, I.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
Saw people give it. I saw people give it five stars.
And what were you guys watching, man? And I could
tell they watched it too. But yeah, anyway, I'm diverting,
But just point of that, that was one of their
big events. So they you know, they whatever, they whatever,
they paid paid to make that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
But well, if you could just get those qualities showtime
triple Adders on Netflix or Amazon and you know, a
two and a half hour window live archive after just
get back to the basics, step back to the you know, like,
if we could get that, I guarantee we could go

(01:32:53):
after some young people because that ship was really good,
really entertaining, really solid fights, and uh we had that
run where there wasn't a lot of pay per views,
you know, so and it does feel like, uh, that
side of it. The PBC and Top Rank have their

(01:33:17):
financials as far as what they pay to fighters, it
seems like it's under control. So you know, that's probably
your best bet because then you know, then you could
be like, hey, if you give me this amount of money,
I can make this, you know, and instead of like
these crazy overpays.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
So we'll see you know that that and you.

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
Could know if like we keep saying, at least I
keep saying it, even if it's a cash out. But
that would be perfect for Netflix too, because he's got
his fan base. And know if you had Jake Paul
fight a name and it was on Netflix, even if
he gets knocked out in the first round, I mean
that would that would still be good for moving forward boss.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
And as far as like a new deal, I do
think that, uh, the PBC, the fact that Canelo took
the four fight deal that hurts them. The fact that
Spence hasn't gotten back in the ring that hurts them.
You know, those are guys that could sell tickets and
and move and draw attention, you know. So and obviously

(01:34:20):
if you had those two and then you still have
Benavize's and Dravante, well then all of a sudden you
can really go get a deal probably, you know, especially
if that's on free subscribers. You know, those they're gonna
they draw, they would draw numbers. But you know, with Benevitez,
luckily it's just a one off with the Sadi's on

(01:34:41):
this next one. But you know, with Jervonte and Benavitez,
without Canelo and Spence and all that, you know, I
guess that would be.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Harder to get a deal.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
You know, maybe throwing in a manny for a free
fight for two fights, maybe that would be part of
the deal, you know, all that type of stuff. That's
you got to think of it that way. Maybe Many
gets two more fights, but then the undercard is really
good and then they build off of that like they
did with the Jake Paul thing. And you know, but
I don't know, you know that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
Well, that's probably what you said there. I have a
feeling might be PBC's survival strategy because I think where
they're at now and this is just time which happens
to everybody. Yes, they got their thing going in twenty fifteen,
and some of the people you've mentioned, they are the
names that that they were able to build up, especially

(01:35:33):
in the perspective of today's boxing. But the problem is
it's ten years now. Those guys are like Spence could
be done. Yeah, you know, Plants at the end of
the life. You know, you can go through those guys.
Plants probably how much Chloe brothers still have three tops,
you know, I did when I saw that happen. I

(01:35:54):
think that absolutely has a lot to do with why
Pakias back. Yeah, yeah, I mean, like you're I think
you're right, Like it would not be at all beyond PBC.
I think if they're if they can find at you know,
increase the Amazon deal or deal somewhere else, that they're
going to risk throwing Paco out at the top for
a fight or two, and he is just because of

(01:36:16):
the name and hope he doesn't get hurt, and try
to have some other people underneath, you know, maybe some
of their younger guys, like you know, Benavitez has still
got something left, like you said, and you know you
got Hayesus Ramos.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Yeah, guys like that.

Speaker 5 (01:36:31):
You know, maybe you know, they don't have as many
of them, but some of the younger guys they have
that you still have something left. Get some of those
guys out there try to keep.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
That definitely hurt him this last year or two. Yeah,
it had to have, you know, because when especially when
you lose Canelo, I mean they were they were making
profitable fights with him, you know, right, and imagine what Canelo. Well,
we're gonna find out what Canelo well, somewhat find out
what Canelo draws here, you know, coming up in some
to the lowan Crawford.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
So we'll see, we'll see how that goes.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
But it's I need to.

Speaker 5 (01:37:05):
See real numbers. I mean that's too. Can appeals to
American sensibilities. Crawford's an American, so he appeals to US sensibilities,
Like I need to see their official numbers because Netflix
knows this, Like I need to see exactly how not worldwide.
I need to see how many people in the US
stream that fight. I mean, that's critical. It's it's to me,

(01:37:28):
it's like what.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
The whole thing's coming down to.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
You can't save the sport, but there's just not there's
not enough hope with anything else. It's it's got to
be the first step to see to saving things, if
things are going to be saved. That's the way I
look at I do think it's that dramatic.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Yeah, because like the numbers that we've seen, you almost
want to cut them in half just for theory. Okay,
so in theory, if that was even half that number,
this is what it equates to, you know. Yeah, so we've.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Been for a little bit here.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
Is there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Did you get a chance to.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
Read anything with the Revival ACTMAI revised. It's not wrong
to only like twenty one pages. So the pros, the
cons some of the stuff. We already talked about this
before in the past, knowing that you know, legislation is
on their side, as we talked.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
About kind of predicted this one ever sent back to
the November election, was saying this could be coming, like.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
It or not. This is something you know they did
in New York as well, and that that's what you do.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Uh, you know, you take advantage of what you got.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
So you know, some of it is raising the health
insurance from twenty to twenty five thousand. Some of it's
a minimum on a round, but if you talk, you know,
if you look around, most peopeople are making more than
that minimum per round. The paramedics, how many paramedics are

(01:39:06):
on site. The UBO was an interesting way to do
it because on one hand you think, you know, that
does make sense, but then you got another let's say
three new UBOs come in, and then you have seven
belts then, you know, or seven different sanctioning things right

(01:39:29):
the clause where you have to have.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
A training facility to be a you know, there's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Certain things like so this is just exactly what you
guys are. You're gonna get a head start, you know obviously,
which hey, they're doing this to get it past they
got to bipartisan bill. That's what you do. You know,
people can get mad or whatever they want. But as
far as we talked about, so who's going to rank?
Who's doing the rankings right? And also even some quotes

(01:39:58):
that I'll read a little later to talking about well,
once we get a ranking, these top five will know
who's the best. Well, in this scenario, we wouldn't know
who's the best actually. So But also on the flip side, John,
you talked about this too, how there's no ags that
have actually enforced anything. No, the OLIAC has been helpful

(01:40:23):
for negotiations for budgets or partial budgets. To see it
gives you the power to litigate and sue, you know
more than you might probably had. It sounds like the
board at the ABC supported it, but the members of
the ABC that they're they were blind in this stuff.

(01:40:45):
So you know, on one hand, what is the OLIAC doing. Besides,
like we've mentioned, helping the top tier fighters, which that's awesome,
that is phenomenal, we can't can't act like that. Nobody
has to sell theirs self to six different promoters and
managers and get a cut five percent for the rest
of your career and all that stuff as much as

(01:41:07):
you used to be able to do, but in the
same breath hasn't helped the average boxer type thing. Well,
what are your thoughts overall with the Revival Act to
Save American Boxing?

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
The two party system stuff, the names of the bills
always crack me up, and this it just leads right
in that we're gonna revive American boxing kind of No,
But what are your thoughts here?

Speaker 5 (01:41:34):
My thoughts are.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Potentially what it could mean because it's gonna pass John,
It's gonna yeah, for the.

Speaker 5 (01:41:40):
For the group, you know, I think I think I'll
probably morally on the same page with a lot of them,
So I sympathize with them. But but I think it's
a little misguided for some of the reasons you've talked about,
like they're they're they're having an outcry, Oh, how how
dare they take away the ALI Act. I don't want
want to see promoters like Dana White make more money

(01:42:05):
or get more than the fighters who take the risk,
and have those people paid less at the very top,
like you know, you and I have been saying.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
I agree with that. I mean, I don't want payout
from UFC of the rep I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:42:18):
I would rather have Canelo or any fighter taking the risk,
even if they're they're at the very top, getting the
money instead of Dana White or any other promoter. And
like I've said a lot too, don't we don't get
to see enough what they actually make. But with that
part understood understood, I got to disagree with these people
in a lot of ways where I don't think they're

(01:42:39):
being realistic. I think they are letting their moral bent
where they feel just like it's unjust for a Dana
White to get more money, which I agree with them,
but this is where they're clouded. The alphabet organizations are corrupt.
I mean, to me, the ALI Act it's really McCain
and you know Aaron did some of that stuff too,

(01:43:02):
but you know, they were really targeting Donta. You know
they were they were targeting Don King because Don King
would have he was promoting the w b C Heavyweight
champ or you know, and then if somebody wanted to
get a shot who was not in his promotion, he was,
he was making him get options and he had and

(01:43:26):
he had you know, Carl King, his step son, was
managing fighters.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
So the same thing they would have been doing if
they were in that position probably right.

Speaker 5 (01:43:34):
Right, The thing is, that's what I mean. It was
like too old away from Yeah, it was too like
overly targeted almost like we're taking this away and I'm
not saying don kingdon do some bad things. You know
Field's book on him, which was real good and stuff,
but there's a lot of bad things in boxing, correct, right,
There's there's a lot of bad things in boxing, and
a bill just not just designed to go after Don King,

(01:43:59):
which is what it was. Because the problem with the
Ali Act is I mean, and this goes to the
type of stuff you know, you and I talk about
every week we get to talk, like I mean, it's
based on on alphabets, like like you're you're making like
the alphabets are credible organizations.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
Like in other.

Speaker 5 (01:44:20):
Words, it has to do with you know, fighters fighting
for alphabet belts. And when I argue with some of
those people that argue for things like the Ali Act,
especially some people who also follow MMA who don't understand
boxing as well, and some of them actually listen when
I pointed this out, like you know, the alphabets rank
undeserving fighters all the time. It's it's it's not the

(01:44:44):
WBC designs the most deserving person is going to become
the quote unquote mandatory. It's who's politically connected. Look at
their rankings. I mean they're a joke, all of them.
I mean, I mean all the alphabets.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
There are no decide who accidentally took drugs too.

Speaker 5 (01:44:58):
Right and decided who accidental he took drugs or you know,
we're going to collect a fine from Povetkin and he's
going to keep fighting. Yeah, you know, all all that
kind of nons It's basically like a bribe, you know
what I mean, Like they're going to give us two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars, We're gonna let him keep fighting.
I mean, that's you know that, that's what that was
so like, and there's you know, all the examples of it.

(01:45:21):
It doesn't he and the ALI Act doesn't apply overseas.
It's only in the US. So you know, he shouldn't
really have much of a topic on this because I
was laughing and he's talking about, oh now you care,
you know, and under this jurisdiction, what are you talking about?
I thought he doesn't follow any of the quote unquote
principles of it what he's promoted in the UK. You know,

(01:45:42):
That's why I was laughing. So, I mean, so I
think that the intention is good, but some of the
opposition to change is is a little misguided.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
I mean, you know, I I'd rather have.

Speaker 5 (01:45:54):
The fighters at the top get the money instead of
the promotions.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
But the promoters have to be profitable.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
You are running a business, you know, under business.

Speaker 1 (01:46:03):
But I think let's get to this basics.

Speaker 5 (01:46:06):
Yeah, and anybody that follows boxing regularly has to say
this that they're being honest with themselves and they get
away from the biases like I'm saying about they don't
want promoters to get some of this fighter money, which
I don't either. Is it's not working. It's not working
for the sport. It doesn't work. I mean, the sport's
fading in popularity. There's really no protections. I mean, you've

(01:46:26):
got undercard fighters risking their lives for a couple of
one hundred bucks, you know, a thousand bucks or what.
So if they get a thousand, does that make it good?
I mean, look at what we know about CTE. Who's
going to take care of these people when they take
all the shots when they're not at the very top
of the earners. I mean it really like it doesn't
really make any sense. Let's face it, even though I
want the fighters to get the money instead of promoters,

(01:46:49):
but it doesn't really make any sense that a canelo
may weather a fury whoever it may be, even if
they're to draw that it doesn't get like revenue distributed
some I mean, there's guys getting permanent brain injury and
women you know, fighting for five thousand dollars and like
what what sense that? No health insurance? You know, no pension?

(01:47:11):
What makes sense? And you can say this and develop
countries in Europe and the US because I learned this
as a lawyer. You know, somebody does have to take
care of them at a certain point. It's you and me. Yeah,
like so the promoters aren't paying for that, but you
and I are, You and I are. It's not coming

(01:47:32):
out of Canelos. You well, a little bits coming out
of Canelos, share or Mayweather or whatever. But it's like everybody,
you know, you know what, you know what they're paying for.
And I hate to say, like this, but the funeral.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
Is what they're ying.

Speaker 5 (01:47:44):
Yeah, exactly. You know, somebody's going to Medica, Medicaid or
with a disability on Medicare if they had enough time in,
if they even had enough time. So, you know, we
the sport has always been the most dangerous and what
we know now it's it's not realistic to say, oh,
boxing is in a better place with this ALI Act,

(01:48:07):
because it's not. It's not. I mean I look at
the fighters that I look at what top MMA fighters
get paid compared to boxing. I don't like that. I mean,
I'm with the people then saying hey, we don't want
that to happen. I don't want that to happen either.
But I know the sport's not working the way things
are now, and I'm starting to see.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
To me, the ALI Act is.

Speaker 5 (01:48:30):
Is it wasn't intended that way, but it's kind of
getting in the way of trying to do something differently. Now,
this Revival Act may not be the answer. I'm not
saying it's going to be the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
But it's the right path potentially.

Speaker 5 (01:48:45):
Right, let's say, let's say this at the least, like
even though these organizations have problems, like you you know,
you would need to try to get to something in boxing,
like you have a FIFA for a World Cup, you
have you know, USA track and Field is the governing
body the track and field in the United States. You know,

(01:49:07):
it's it's not a revenue generating sport like that, especially
as the years have gone on. But like you have
something like not the alphabet organizations. I mean, yeah, you know,
you know, they got it. They got to be put
out of business. They got to be out completely.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
And that's what we said to just buy those bastards out.
If you're throwing all this damn money around, just chuck
it at them and put it together.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
Yeah, they really can't be worth they really can't be
worth much.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Yeah, exactly, like you know, you know, everyone's got their price.
That's an old saying for a reason direct everyone's got
a price, and if you could just maybe you just
call it the WBC because they've been around, so whatever, whatever,
the green Belt a lot of people let whatever it is.
I don't give them two ships of who wins, but
just buy them out and put them together. I don't know,

(01:49:55):
because because this because the only thing about this is
you got your own ranking and all all that. That's cool,
but who's doing the ranking right? And then if you
look at t KO, they would need to have like
a Hayman type roster ten years ago, two hundred people
or something if you're really gonna do you know, because
because if you use the Ring magazine rankings, that'd be great.

(01:50:16):
But then you can't say the best they're fighting the
best if you don't have the fighters under your right,
you know. So what do you think about this? What
do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:50:28):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
I don't know. So do you think they're just gonna
go all in TKO? Because and another thing is they're
not paying for it. They're getting paid by the Sadis
to do it right. And they're already tracked, you know,
multip people already tracked their lobbying. What came from you know,
came from the sadis her.

Speaker 5 (01:50:48):
Hearn says that, you know, but he maybe he's right
about this.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
We did talk about this.

Speaker 5 (01:50:54):
We thought this is what they might be doing, you
know her and shaying that they're gonna they're gonna t
AO thing is going to be where they're going to
be starting like a ground up thing, which I think
you can do if you're patient enough, if you've got
to be real patient, real patient.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:51:11):
I got a feeling they're looking at that, but I
got a feeling they haven't fully made up their mind
because Turkey is still in at the high level, you know,
like Canelo Crawford of course, for example, what Dana White involved,
so you.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Know they're not going to make any money with his
pay scale, Yeah, right right, They're they want to make.

Speaker 5 (01:51:29):
Money, right right, So you know, I think they're probably
still figuring out exactly how they want to do it.
But they, like I said, I mean, I don't know
if you know, White would do it this way with
you know, Turkey Ala sheet for the safety part of it.
But like there is a study out there too. I
was reading it. Randy Gordon cited it in the ring,

(01:51:51):
but you know, with actual data kind of fitting what
I've been saying about the brain injury part. I guess
one study was done a fighter where they came up
with and this will fit in what we're talking about.
Really the maximum amount of fights when you should be
out is twenty six fights. Okay, so you know you

(01:52:12):
know that's where I kept getting out about like this, well,
this this old system of these no hoper fights and
all this stuff, the amateur fights. It should just be
like if it's that idea I've had, Like so like
the ideal would be like let's say if TKO was
doing this kind of a developmental thing like this would

(01:52:33):
be a really really ideal, but it would make it safer.
Like so, let's say you started your you went to
this training center or whatever, they got good athletic prospects
maybe from Division I things and stuff, and you started
your career or real good high school whatever. You start
your career at about twenty you know, you get to

(01:52:53):
twenty six fights, and you get out when you're around thirty,
and you know, then you go to the next cycle
of fighters. Now you know, I know we don't have
it going that way now and stuff. But yeah, yeah,
it would be safer. You'd have less long term trauma.
It wasn't mean you wouldn't have any injuries and death,
but you know, it would be better. I know it
would be better on the data. And then maybe you
just have the guys learn in the training center and you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
Know everybody definitely we have to organize pretty thoroughly and
maybe even like you know, some sort of union.

Speaker 5 (01:53:22):
Or something right, and then you have like you know,
it's difficult to get it right. We want everybody to
make good money.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
I wants to join a damn union that'll get health
insurance and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:53:34):
I don't know, but something. But like the idea is
not like you'll see these people again. To me, they
don't know what they're talking about in a modern world. Like, well,
these guys got to get more active, more active. Like
if if you want to tell me they need to
fight twice a year, okay, I'll go with.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
You on that.

Speaker 5 (01:53:49):
But yeah, it's not nineteen we know.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
Right, we know a lot more.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
I mean, we learned some stuff. Yeah, let's let's apply that.

Speaker 5 (01:53:56):
Right, We're not having guys fight five times in the
year twenty twenty five with what we know, we're not
having guys fight five times a year. Look, Husick's doing well.
I mean he's been fighting once a year. His activity
his activity level later talk about it. But that's probably
by design for him too. I mean, like you know,
it's gone down. He and his total number of fights.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
Disciplined clearly too. You know, he's very disciplined, stays in
shape and all that. So and his total M Crawford.

Speaker 5 (01:54:22):
M Crawford and his official total number of pro fights
is not that high. Yeah, so you know, yeah, sure
we had a lot of amateur and he had some
you know, world series of boxing, but still his actual number.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
Of probably just do like a time limit. You wouldn't
probably limit it to the number of fights, you know,
maybe you just do a time time frame, you know. Yeah,
that's it. That that is interesting. Obviously it take a
lot of organization and get people on the same page,
which is very difficult in boxing, and just an overseer.
But who do you put in charge though you know,

(01:54:55):
been needed for so long.

Speaker 5 (01:54:56):
Job. Yeah, you need an independent You need an independ
and a non corrupt Yeah. Basically, like I said, even
you know, like again you have the US, you have
an Olympic Committee, you know what I mean, it organize
the Olympics. Like sure there's been corruption and things, but
it's still better than the alphabets, Like you know, I mean,
it gets the job done. I'm trying to give examples,
like you need something like that for.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
Boxing and no one. Yeah, committee, someone that's just getting
paid to do this job. But they're not going to
make money off the job. You know, it's not a
business for them. Like you're mentioning, it's a government. Uh,
you know, it's an arm of the government or whatever, right, right,
mini or whatever? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:55:33):
So so you know, on the world level, would we
totally idea on the world.

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
Level and then on a US or something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:55:39):
So you know, I mean this this, this to me
would be these are like the really the only hopes
to really save the sport at this sport, I do
think we're going downhill that fast.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:55:50):
I was thinking about this before we came on too,
because this is playing out in a way in a way,
they're related, but it's playing out a little bit where
I didn't think it was. Like, you know, all my
decades of following boxing, I figured there probably would be
an end at some point, But I always thought it
would be only on the violence. Oh right, yeah, like ing, yeah,

(01:56:11):
like like or whatever, right, less popular, and then gradually
there became momentum.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
You know. That's how I thought about that too, John,
when I ever think about the end of it, you know,
maybe fifty years from now and people's mentality just change
or whatever. Right, My mom who's seventy seven, now she's like,
she's not as big a boxing fan as she used to. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:56:31):
So, like what I didn't see is what I'm seeing now,
Like that might be in part why some of it's happening,
you know, the quality of fights and things, which you know,
I don't blame the fighters in that sense, but the
point is what I kind of didn't see, even though
it was always bad, was just it's really like how
badly run the sport is now and the quality of

(01:56:54):
the fights like that, Hey, I see that taking it
to the end as bad as the moral outrage part
quicker too quicker. And now that I didn't that, I
actually I knew the sport had all the problems, but
the end, the ring product was always so basically exciting
for the most part that you know, I thought that

(01:57:15):
and ratings always used to be real high. I didn't
see this part where like just the quality was dropping
so much and things were getting so screwed up that
the sport were just kind of shriveling up. Outside of
the moral outrage.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
Part, yeah, because it's always been a short money, short
term stuff, but now it's like crazy money. You're not
making a profit, and it's just even when you look
and go, man, I love this card, but if you're
not going to make any profit off the card, you're
not gonna nobody's seeing the damn thing.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
And that's what people don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:57:50):
It's not that we you know, I don't know, it's
it's it's really frustrating though.

Speaker 1 (01:57:58):
But yeah, I mean until you just be have multiple UBOs,
like like pro Box they have a facility, they probably
could they probably could qualify it to be a UBO.
There's some people Jake Paul probably could be a UBO,
Like that's cool. But then then you just have more
sanctioning belts potentially, you know. So it's like that's like

(01:58:19):
kind of what we said before all this just buy
everything up and you know, you can stretch stuff out
in court as you know, you know, and what do
you end up paying a fine or a settlement? Right,
you know, just monopolize and then pay your settlement and
just get it over with. Then you rown the whole
damn sport. And then you go off that and you

(01:58:40):
use the ring ring, you know, and maybe a mixture
of the transnational in the ring, and you you blend
that together whatever it is, and that would be better.
That would be better.

Speaker 5 (01:58:49):
That's kind of what I do in my That's what
I that's what I do in my own mind. And
then and then I add an additional step that most
very few people I don't know. I'm probably the only
one I know that does it, but I like to
do it. I think is be better perspective. All I
kind of meld the ring and the transnational. And then
I'll do one in my own mind where I'm like, okay,
if there was eight or nine weight classes, right, yeah,

(01:59:12):
they're melting, They're they're merged, and I'm merging the weight
classes and I'm saying, and I can compare it to
like nineteen fifty or whatever, Yeah, this is this is
and it gives me a lot of perspective, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, I think you have to monopolize
the sport to save it. I just think you do.

Speaker 5 (01:59:32):
Exactly because you know, you foll it closely enough. It's
not working the way it is now, Chris. It's just
not so these people that approaches like, look, guys, women,
you know, if you can't, if you don't have a
better solution than this, I mean, because this is where
we're at now is not working.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
I mean you know, yeah, and then and then, like
you said, then all of a sudden, there are you know,
some media members whatever, long time boxing people, like they're
afraid to monopolize.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
But then you're like, well, can.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
You prove that's a monopoly, because in some sense you
can't because they thought they could do that with the
Hayman and then you know, or like they brought they're
breaking the ILI Act. It's like, well they didn't have
one fighter come testify that he was getting screwed for HAMI.
So it's like, right, so you just filed this lawsuit
for no reason. I mean the judge that Golden Boy

(02:00:20):
lost was ridiculous. And then the judge just let him
have it. You know, they found more problems with their
contracts than the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (02:00:28):
So Adam, you know, it's a good argument.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
Mergers happened all the time. We just saw a damn
merger happen. Well, and there can be a big one too.

Speaker 5 (02:00:41):
I saw this happen, you know, twenty years ago, and
it was a good argument in the passed. Keep this
in mind too, because think of how bad off boxing is.
When Exam and Serious merged, like twenty years ago, you know,
they were the only two satellite radio companies, so there
only became one satellite radio company SXM, which still exists

(02:01:03):
Serious XM. But so there were there were there was arguments.
Then there were monopoly. It's one satellite radio company. How
can you only have one satellite radio company. There's no competition.
You got to can't let that merger pass. Their argument was,
we got to compete against everybody else, We got to
compete against all these other entertainment mediums for satellite radio

(02:01:26):
and even have a shot. We have to be merged
and you have to still go through or we can't
compete with all these other entertainment options. And the government
ended up that argument was accepted, and it makes I
think about it, like if you combine boxing, when you
really look at it, the combined entity could say, Oh,

(02:01:47):
you're saying we're monopoly. Quick, we're competing against m m A.
You know we've got MLB all these other sports. Well
you're competing against now, right right. You know we're lucky
to survive, you know we're lucky.

Speaker 1 (02:02:00):
Yeah, Yeah, that's it's I don't know, man, Mergers happen
every day, and not every day, but you know, like
every year or whatever. And some of them are clearly
like depending on who's in there, what gets approved, what doesn't,
what you're allowed to get away with, like Sinclair, you know,

(02:02:22):
buying up all this shit and then some of it
going bankrupt. You know, it's just I don't know, I
just you know, I'm I'm you know, capitalists first mixed
with some really makes sense to your people type of thing.
That's what I'm into. Right, You gotta capitalism works if

(02:02:43):
you use the right type of capitalism. Right. Yeah, people
get afraid of social stuff, but it's it has to
be a combo. But you have to capitalism first. Even
Sweden is capitalism first. Then they mix in the social stuff, right,
But it's capitalism. You have to you have to have
the combo.

Speaker 5 (02:03:02):
I mean you have a police force, I mean, I
mean in theory, if it was absolute pure capitalism, there
would be no Yeah, what do you recovering police force?
But you know we have to think it's like medicare
that people like for good reason. Yeah, social security, other things.
You know, there's there's all kinds of social contests, public schools.
Of course they get attacks sometimes, but they're good things.

(02:03:23):
I mean, you don't have pure capitalism. I mean, look, look,
there was bailouts. If there was there was pure capitalism,
there wouldn't have been bailouts of.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
Exactly, tax cuts or whatever all that. You know, it
just doesn't seem like it is when it But yeah,
I'm not afraid of this monopoly because there is, because
it would just help everything, including the fighters. It would
definitely and we've always talked about the baseline of bay.
You know, this doesn't necessarily cover it because I think

(02:03:56):
it's shiny numbers that sounded oh the that's nice that
you're doing that. But then if you're really hurt, twenty
five thousand is not going to go that far.

Speaker 5 (02:04:05):
Now, it's just boxing. What's not right is boxing is
just a lottery.

Speaker 1 (02:04:09):
Now.

Speaker 5 (02:04:10):
I mean, yes, to fight and risk your life and
your long term health that you can be Mayweather or Canelo, right,
which is just a couple of our Joshua or fewer
your wild There are a couple of guys, I mean,
these other guys even who you think they're making decent
money when they get taxed and they got to pay
trainers and they don't have another job and everything, and

(02:04:30):
then they can't do another job when when their boxing
career is over and they need to all health care,
they're not making it. They're not making enough money. Ton't
even get through their life. Uh uh, you know, not
at all. So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (02:04:43):
I mean, I don't I don't think this is the
ultimate answer unless it's all the other stuff combined into it,
and it's it's just bring it all together. And you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:04:57):
Ready, I'm ready for the alphabets to go. I mean,
you know, I've always been ready for it, and like
you know, so that's where my thinking comes in.

Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
Now this would be the start of that.

Speaker 5 (02:05:07):
That's what I look at it like, this is this is.

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
A long road, but it is a start to Hey,
we want to do our system this way. We're not
going to take fees from you. I do like that.

Speaker 2 (02:05:16):
They said they're not going to take fees. But but
it is a long process this way, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (02:05:22):
Right, And what about right the alphabet sanctioning fees that
they take from fighters persons, So you know, you got
to pay these corrupt people money out of.

Speaker 2 (02:05:31):
Your purse, right, even if it's an intro, right.

Speaker 1 (02:05:35):
For an interview.

Speaker 5 (02:05:37):
And they're ruining all the telecasts with alphabet belts all over,
they really are for me, the really, I mean, everybody's
everybody's got a belt. The commentators are screaming like an infomercial.
You know, Bias is now the youngest current Puerto Rican.
It's just all kinds of nonsense. You know, every telecast

(02:05:58):
it just you know, no casual fans gonna follow it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:03):
And then real quick, the damn, the okie dope, the
bait and switch. So Turkey comes out and says pay
per view has ruined the sport.

Speaker 2 (02:06:11):
It's caused major.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
Damnae court, which, by the way, I just ran a
five of them a short amount of time. Then he says,
you know what, come November, we're gonna straighten it all out.
And I was like, okay, you know that's better than
our current scenario. Then then the very next day, you
couldn't like make you couldn't make this ship up if

(02:06:34):
you try. The very next day, the Zone puts out
a press release saying, hey, if you want to get
all the pay per views, meaning we're still because the
way it reads, they're still in the pay per view business,
right is the second So we're already getting screwed on
the first subscription. Then they got a then they got
a second subscription that will pay for all the pay

(02:06:56):
per views, but you're still doing so the outside fans
they have to buy the pay per view, but the
hardcore is they just pay a one fee and then
you're gonna be good for all the papers for the year.
What So, now there's a second paywall, which.

Speaker 5 (02:07:15):
Like I said, for one hundred thousand hard it's worse, though,
it's even worse than you think. I had to read
it five times to make sure I wasn't imagining things.
But I did read it five times, and it was
worse than you even said, because the first five times
I read it, I thought it was what you said,
and then the sixth time I read it, the Zone said,

(02:07:35):
you'll pay us the two forty nine or whatever now,
and we're working in the future.

Speaker 1 (02:07:40):
And they didn't even say, see what Turkey's gonna do.

Speaker 5 (02:07:44):
And if if we can work this out, you might
get some paid perviews for this, if we work it out.

Speaker 2 (02:07:50):
Yeah, we work it out.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
We're still still working on it, right, we're still working out.

Speaker 5 (02:07:55):
So they weren't even giving you the.

Speaker 4 (02:08:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
Yeah, so what's the press release about it? Then we
heard the quotes of maybe there's a lot of maybe's
going on, John. Maybe we'll split the cards in three divisions,
So now you're downgrading your product. You say A plus,
B and C C will charge you with zone with
little money. So that's shitty fights, that's what you're telling us.

(02:08:21):
The B is middle money, pretty decent fights if you
like the fighter, and that's with a lump sum one
time from the zone and that's it. Then we'll make
the And.

Speaker 2 (02:08:32):
This is the kicker.

Speaker 1 (02:08:33):
They said all this, then they get the A plus obviously, right,
that's the whatever it is. But then then the kicker
is they He says, this will make the dizone have
the fan base in American, UK, around and around the
world to be between five and twenty million subscribers. And
when I first read it around the world, I didn't

(02:08:56):
hear that part.

Speaker 2 (02:08:57):
I just heard us UK.

Speaker 1 (02:08:59):
But if you're including around the world, that means you
don't have twenty millions describers, like it's labeled out there
that you do, and then you start at five what
do they have world wide? Then if you're thinking this
is gonna get you a five, yeah, I mean, I mean,
this is fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (02:09:18):
It's just right.

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
None of this is That's what I mean. None of
this is working. It's just none of this is working.
That's funny that, like she said, you had to read
it a bunch of times, and it got worse every time.
It got worse every time.

Speaker 5 (02:09:30):
I mean I was like trying to get excited and
I read it five times and I'm like wait a second,
And the sixth time, I'm like, I'm paying two hundred
and forty nine dollars for nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:09:40):
Yeah, talk about downgrading your product.

Speaker 1 (02:09:43):
We'll have a CE, especially in America, like a B
and C that that's not how you want to do
it here. You don't tell anybody that's a C level anything,
you know. Plus I would I would just never trust
them on that, I mean exactly, and why would we
you know, Ever since basically like Covid, they've been a

(02:10:04):
not a great company to the fans, not a great company.
Ever since Covid hit, they've they've actually been pretty bad.
I mean, you're just paying an extra month to cancel
it anyway, which, like I don't I don't know how
that's legal or if it is, or they just haven't
been challenged yet. But you basically tell you, well, I

(02:10:25):
suppose they told you, didn't they They did tell you, John,
they said that you're gonna pay an extra month just
to cancel.

Speaker 2 (02:10:30):
So I guess that is legal because they told you.

Speaker 1 (02:10:33):
I was hoping.

Speaker 5 (02:10:34):
I'm just hoping Netflix just takes all this over if
they find some value in boxing. But that's where boxing
can't shoot themselves in the foot. They got to give
them good fights. I mean, that's and.

Speaker 1 (02:10:44):
They got to come together. Yeah, it's gotta gotta blend
a bunch of stuff together. That's why that you know,
even PBC in in uh, Jake, Paul or you throw
top ranking in that mixed, well then we can then
we're talking. But I don't know. All right, it's it's
been a little long winded. I appreciate you hanging out.
We had a lot to talk about any any any

(02:11:08):
last words before you get out of here, sir. That's
that's about it, Chris.

Speaker 5 (02:11:12):
I was thinking about a lot of these things, but
we pretty much got it all covered. So be interesting
to see how some of the stuff we talked about
plays out now.

Speaker 1 (02:11:23):
And with such a crazy schedule at times, with so
much stuff going on. After this week, the Dwarte, Simms
Junior and pro Gray and Diaz, you know whatever, that's
the c stuff, I guess, Yeah, there's literally a weekend
the next week, and ask that there's just nothing, just nothing.
You're like, what we get here? Why is there nothing?

(02:11:46):
You know?

Speaker 5 (02:11:46):
I know people say like it just kind of kind
of like we're about to work. Just things are dropping
off a cliff.

Speaker 1 (02:11:52):
Oh and I even saw Mattroom's fall plan and I'm like,
I mean the Boots, the opponent in October, Josh Kelly,
I mean that's awful. Josh Kelly, you kick my ass. Okay,
that's fine, I get it that I'm not saying it
ain't bad about him, but come.

Speaker 5 (02:12:13):
On, like that's awful. That's the stuff that it's not
worth your time. It's really not.

Speaker 1 (02:12:19):
And it's like you just re upped and that's your
first fight on the reup, like, yeah, we just had
we finally got a good fight out of the deal
with Stanonius and then you go, okay, we will go
too late if we get into this topic. So all right, John,
I appreciate you stopping in.

Speaker 5 (02:12:34):
Man, great talking with you as always.

Speaker 1 (02:12:37):
All right, have it going you too, alrighty, So yeah,
Dowarte Simmons, which, like I said, I'm not trying to
rip on that individual fight by any stretch. It actually
is very uh.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
Like, it's an interesting fight.

Speaker 1 (02:12:53):
It's competitive. I'd probably Sarah, I haven't checked in a
little bit, but I'd have to say that's the most
competitive on paper me double check. I mean it's right there.
You have you know, Kenneth Simms Junior plus one twenty
four plus one twenty five. The highest I see on
UNIBT is plus one thirty, you know on Wednesday, speaking

(02:13:18):
of to Shaa sand of Bal, like, I think that's
going to be an entertaining card. Vargas what is he got?
Vargus Antonio Vargas what plus two hundred plus two twenty five?
You know, I just think it's going to be an
entertaining card in general, you know what we'll see. I

(02:13:42):
do think sand of Baal is a is I wouldn't
say completely like undervalued here, but I have kind of
seen I don't know, I like sand of Bal he's
like to right, like he's just gonna get ran over

(02:14:02):
or whatever. And this is this is, this is on
his own now. By the way, it is tomorrow. It's
just a matter of hours. Really. I think it's like
it's in the wee hours of the morning obviously, right,
But yeah, I mean I think, uh, I think it's

(02:14:23):
gonna be just a good fight, you know. And obviously
Age could play a factor that that might that might
play a factor. I think send a ball, you know,
he's uh, I think he's a really good fighter. Man.

Speaker 2 (02:14:40):
I think he's you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:14:45):
I think it's gonna be good. And and like I said,
if Age comes into this, you know, it could get tough.
It could get really tough.

Speaker 2 (02:14:53):
But that so we have that we have.

Speaker 1 (02:14:56):
Like I said, the card on Saturday is that Saturday.
I believe that's sad today on the zone and both
these cards are on his own now. Clarissa Shield's dinner
thing had a really healthy, healthy crowd shouts out to her.
You know, watching that overtime, I think that was that

(02:15:22):
was on that was on Friday. I believe, right, Elijah
Pears and uh Dash manas Marinas on that overtime boxing,
I thought, uhsh marinezh Marinez. You know I gave him,

(02:15:48):
Let's see, looking at my scorecard, I gave him the
first round. Obviously he was fighting off the back foot,
you know, he he kind of landed a beautiful that
kind of he he landed a beautiful left hand drops

(02:16:09):
pierced right. The second round I thought was pretty close.
I did think, Uhdash Marinez, Dash Marinez kind I can't
remember how to say his name, Marinas, I think it is.
I thought he had the cleaner work in round two.

(02:16:31):
Pierce was starting to bring pressure with the looping shots,
the jab and a few clean lands. You know, I
think I gave Pierce the third round, or maybe maybe
I think I I gave him the fourth round. No,
I gave him the third round. That's right, Pierce the
third round and then back to Dash Marinez. I thought

(02:16:58):
he closed with some heavy punches and very good defense.
Pierce started with those wild shots, started to land in
round five. I thought the sixth round was a two
way round, very close, could have went either way. And
then once Pierce and that you were talking about on

(02:17:19):
the broadcast, once Pierce stuck to his jab, that jab
left hand, you know, like he did in the seventh,
started picking that up. I thought. In the eighth both
of them were landing fairly well. The better punches were
Pierce ninth round come around, early exchanges, some fun stuff.
Pierce's landing some really nice hooks to the head, a

(02:17:41):
few nice body shots as well. Pierce landed a big
right hand and then another one dropped them, and then
dash Marinas got up, but who Pierce landed a right,
two right hooks, one to the body under the head,
and it was lights the fuck out. It was a

(02:18:05):
gorgeous shot. So that was a fun fight. I did
enjoy that fight a lot, just because I wanted to.
You know, it looked like Pierce was just trying to
knock him out. But once he got on his jab
and tried to set up the shots, what do you know.
The Manuel Flores Jorge Chavez. That was Thursday.

Speaker 2 (02:18:28):
I believe I thought Chavez won that fight.

Speaker 1 (02:18:32):
It was a draw.

Speaker 2 (02:18:33):
It was a good fight, but I thought he won
the fight.

Speaker 1 (02:18:39):
And then.

Speaker 2 (02:18:43):
What excuse me, there was.

Speaker 1 (02:18:48):
There's another fight I wanted to talk about from last weekend. Oh,
Tony Harrison got dropped, but he ended up winning. He
said he's gonna get back in the lab and come
back another fifty four pounder there. Oh Ryan Gardner twelfth round,
uh t ko over.

Speaker 2 (02:19:08):
Reese belt belt something like that.

Speaker 1 (02:19:12):
Ballotti Ballatti, Pilate's that you know that that that was
pretty good. I like that Gardner finished it off. I
think that about wraps it up for for last weekend.
Like I said, Regis Prograe and Joseph Di Diaz Junior

(02:19:33):
on that undercard. Joshua Edwards is in action as well,
but Dwarte and Kenneth you know, kend Of, it's a
mid level fight. I'm not gonna sit there and lie
to it's a mid level fight. I think they're fighting. Yeah,
they're fighting in Chicago if I remember correctly. But you know,
like it'll be good. I think this week is just good.

(02:19:53):
Like you know, I think tomorrow or yeah, tomorrow, this morning,
I should say it should be just a card. A
lot of times it is from that part of the
part of the country. Let's see here, you know, we
keep hearing like, uh, we keep hearing Pakiao. Who's next?

(02:20:15):
I wouldn't doubt if it's Roly, But then again, we
heard that Rowley and Garcia you know, are potentially, you know,
in talks, so you know, maybe Pacio Grabrante. I'm not
I really don't know what what you know, if that

(02:20:38):
would happen or not. I believe they're probably going towards that.
Hopefully Roach does get his rematch though Crocker and Donovan
is now official for September thirtieth or No thirteenth. What
am I saying that's the rematch? I do like that fight.

(02:21:00):
You know, time will tell about top rank. You know,
these are quotes that we're gonna work with a big
streaming service.

Speaker 2 (02:21:06):
We're currently negotiating a deal. Maybe that's what it.

Speaker 1 (02:21:09):
Is, and then in over the air network going forward,
so we'll have two or three outlets.

Speaker 2 (02:21:13):
That's what Bob said. Hopefully that's true.

Speaker 1 (02:21:17):
As I mentioned, Ennis did sign a new deal with
Matt Stroom. But like I said, you know, it's just
like I don't know, man, I just don't know. Like,
so that's your first I understand going to fifty. You
don't have to fight the killer at fifty or eight

(02:21:40):
killer at fifty four. But like Josh Kelly though, and
we hear like two you know, it's it's out there
about the two tune ups at fifty four. But I'd
much rather him fight Tellias than Kelly. Like, I don't know, man,
that that's that's crazy. Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:22:05):
I did get a message saying what am I What
do I think of Antonio Vargas?

Speaker 1 (02:22:11):
Yeah, I mean honestly, like I'm looking forward to his fight.
He had that great fight with Rodriguez. You know, both
both guys hit the canvas. Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:22:24):
By the way, the cousin of Shiraz.

Speaker 1 (02:22:30):
They call him Shooter.

Speaker 2 (02:22:31):
I think he scored a like a.

Speaker 1 (02:22:34):
I think it was like a third round knockout or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:22:36):
I saw this.

Speaker 1 (02:22:37):
Someone sent me this. Joe Gallagher says, Lawrence and Kohli
is the real heavyweight boogeyman. I guess he had a.

Speaker 2 (02:22:46):
Bicep injury and that that was the problem.

Speaker 1 (02:22:48):
By the way, speaking to his zone until do until
the dope forget it's over, I was gonna say, off
it ends it ended yesterday, So for some reason I
thought it ended Wednesday, So I didn't tell you about that.
That's my bad. I got another message saying Xanderzias said

(02:23:10):
Vendora's team wanted this is from Ezra Raw someone screenshot
at him from brunch boxing shots after brunch Boxing that
Zayas said Fandora's team wanted a rehidration clause after he
said no to it.

Speaker 2 (02:23:24):
But after he said no to it, oh, they announced
him zoo. I mean, like Ezra says in this completely.

Speaker 1 (02:23:32):
Ridiculous of true. I mean that is that's ridiculous. Oh,
another ridiculous thing. This is Chava for me span reporting
Rodriguez Junior won't be bad for failed tests. Like I
mentioned earlier, it was an accident. He accidentally did it, so,
I mean, come on, dude, like so yeah he is

(02:23:56):
so they they they they he accidentally ingested a banned substance.
Previously reported the use of an over the counter energy
booster which he was underware included it. But that's what
you put in your body is what you're you're responsible for. Also,

(02:24:17):
Boka Chika, I saw this on brunch boxing as well
as test the positive for banned substance from October twenty
fourth against Quentin Randall. I'm not I'm not saying speaking
of tomorrow, night or tomorrow morning. I'm not saying sand

(02:24:38):
of Bal is going to win, but I don't know.
There's just something about that fight. He's a legit boxer.
He's a legit boxer. I'm seeing more messages, and you know,
the funny thing is Adam Booth said that basically the
Josh Kellys trainer, the Boots shit was like a low

(02:24:59):
ball too, like it wasn't even a good a good.

Speaker 5 (02:25:04):
Offer.

Speaker 1 (02:25:05):
The WBC saw this from boxing source. The WBC has
extended the deadline for Carlos Ottomis to work out a
deal with Jeanabec. I guess Solomon expects a resolution in
the coming days. That would be great. I would, you know,
I'd like that. Clarissa said on Aerials show talking about

(02:25:29):
Leila Ali. I now I know that Win Records has
the fifteen million and it's in escro basically saying if
she wants to fight, we got it. And I started
seeing people say, well, Pakia, I just fought at this,
you know, at that age, and it's like yeah, but

(02:25:51):
I mean Ali hasn't fought in like, what almost twenty years.
It's like seventeen or eighteen years. Totally different, completely different
than you know than what pak Ya just did. I mean,
it's it's a ridiculous thing to even you know, talk
about it in that in that light, because.

Speaker 2 (02:26:10):
It's like, dude, please stop, like what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (02:26:18):
So yeah, I think that's about it.

Speaker 8 (02:26:20):
Like I said, a lot of this stuff, we'll we'll
see what happens, you know, we'll see what happens with
the with these deals, with these fights.

Speaker 1 (02:26:31):
Uh you know Amazon Prime, you know, is you know,
is this like is that September card really legit? You know,
I don't know, man, It's it's kind of like we
got to see it, you know, we got to.

Speaker 2 (02:26:52):
See it to believe it.

Speaker 1 (02:26:53):
And so we'll see. We'll see all this all pushes out.
We've heard ESPN wants to stay in the business. We've
heard Netflix, BBC's on Amazon. Can they make that?

Speaker 2 (02:27:04):
Can they activate that deal even more? We're gonna find.

Speaker 1 (02:27:07):
Out, you know, like I said, the Charloe Twins back
would be well, Mal's already been back, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:27:16):
We'll see. Hopefully it's good stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:27:19):
But you know, at Rope It Up Radio, we're gonna
tell you how we feel and we're not gonna sugarcoat it.
We're not gonna just we can hope, but we're also realistic,
you know. And like I said, it's like, you know,
Queensberry and match Room and Golden Boy and you know,

(02:27:39):
being all onto Zone. Can they make better fights and
help the zone out? Maybe even if they make really
good fights, it's it's tough to say it's gonna do
ag in the US especially, but the UK as well.
But yeah, like I said, the PBC Top Rank and

(02:28:00):
Jake Paul, if they combled up and they were under
the same uh you know umbrella. You know that now
we're talking. Especially if the umbrella's Prime or Netflix or whatever,
you know, that's a different story.

Speaker 2 (02:28:13):
So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (02:28:17):
Once you say, we'll see enough, I think it's time
to get out of here. Enjoy the fights this morning
in about less than twelve hours, Enjoy the Dwarte Simms
card on the Zone. Next week, I'm on DAYK, so
I'm gonna I don't know exactly when I'm gonna fit

(02:28:37):
in a show. I may do it a little later
in the week Thursday, I may do it Sunday night.
You know, I don't really know exactly. To be honest
with you, We'll kind of play it by ear. But
you know, we got some good fights coming up in
about two weeks. You know, I heard that card, that

(02:29:00):
ring card. I heard it was gonna be like twenty dollars,
twenty five dollars, but I just checked it on the
zone and it's fifty dollars here. So maybe you need
a code and you can. You know, they'll they'll take
something off it. I don't know. Anyway, I'm gonna get
out of here, enjoy the week. You're back next week

(02:29:23):
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