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June 9, 2025 49 mins
This Episode of the NBA Playoff Banter Podcast Features Recap from a Wild Haliburton/Indy Comeback in Game 1 and a Dominant OKC win in Game 2! Plus, Preview and Predict for How The Next Few Games Will Go! -Will The Series Go  6 or 7? -OKC Went Smaller in Starting Lineup! -Does Haliburton Be More Assertive? -What Adjustments Will Be Made & More! Listen to the NBA PLAYOFFS BANTER PODCAST All the way to the Finals and Draft/Free Agency! Available under The ROPE A DOPE RADIO Podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify, Amazon Music, Spreaker, Google Podcast, & More! Follow on Twitter @RopeADopeRadio
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
NBA basketball fans, Welcome back to the NBA Playoff Banter Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
He's Marshall, I'm Chris, and we're here to talk about
the first two games of the NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Obviously, you know, the Pacers made their comeback, the customary
comeback with the customary Haliburton game winner is fourth now
in these playoffs. He's basically done it in each series now,
which is pretty crazy. And then we'll move on to
game two. Okay, see takes care of business, and you know,

(00:39):
as we know we're one and one, we'll ask some questions,
you know, what to do about SGA because he had
another big game with less shots this time. Can this
thing go six or maybe even seven? A lot of
people asking should hell of Burton Alburton be more assertive

(00:59):
or are you you know, do you need a little
bit more out of them? Obviously as a guy that's
gonna make the right pass. But in the same sense,
you know, you got like a second field goal pretty
late in that game, and a lot of the numbers
are pretty empty, I would say.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
For not just him, but for most of the team.
If you look at the box.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Score, it's like, huh, actually that was pretty good. But
a lot of that came late when the game is over,
so you know it goes back to Indianapolis. Now, can
Indy take care of business in at least one of
the games? Obviously, you know NBA fans that aren't cheering
individually for their squad.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Okay, see or Indy. We want to see a game six. Shit,
we want to see a game seven.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
So we're gonna talk it through here on the NBA
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the first month. Okay, let's go ahead and bring in
Marshall into the full first and foremost, Marshall, how are
you doing, my friend?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
That's a loaded question right now.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
You're way to being loaded.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's just say yes, he had one drink.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Before this that I seen him down a drink. I
think in this time we've been talking.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Before me no rebuilder for the show. You know, I'm
I'm gonna have some personalities today. I so growing up
in Alaska, North Dakota for a lot of my life
kind of had a hand picked teams. I became a
huge Oilers fan when they beat the Stars in ninety
seven for an upset hockey. So I've been an Oilers

(03:43):
fan for twenty eight years and they're going for the
Cup tonight. Obviously it's not Game seven, but it's a
big one. So excited to watch that. But we got
to talk to NBA first.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, So you're a trader to your country. You live
in Texas, but you're going for a can. I got,
Let's just that's okay, Let's just keep moving. Let's keep moving.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Trick man, Wow, that that's hard. Now, think I deserve that.
But all right, I'm not even trying to Raptors fan.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
You know, so far, so crazy though in those first two.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Games, yes, it's been really fun to go. And I
don't like the having the extra days off, but I
did like how the NBA HL both said, hey, game one,
we take turns because because now we can watch our
NBA watch hockey, watch NBA watch hockey. Know that every
fan watches both, but it's nice to not make a
sports fight have to choose. And I I completely know

(04:37):
that NHL is much lower than the NBA, but still
it's still good sporting devents for both teams and both sports.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
You know, so yeah exactly, but uh.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, man, you know the I'm happy I told you
I was going to I think you did, but I'm
kind of happy I didn't do the the four to one,
which we talked about, the gentleman's sweep, because man freaking
Pacerns won game one. Brother, like who what? Like they

(05:12):
they now have had five fifteen point comeback wins in
the playoffs like that, I was telling him. I think
I told my fiance, like, I don't think we'll see
this again for twenty to thirty years. And I know
that nowadays the three ball has changed the game and
it's quicker to come back. But still, Chris, like, this

(05:33):
team has five cover behind wins this year that just
most teams don't have. We maybe have like one or
two of these a year in the playoffs, let alone
one team, like the way they play, and I forget
who I was starting to think it was like coaching.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
More than fifteen points.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, but maybe not from the same team.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Oh yeah, of course, yeah yeah, sorry.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, I saw I was signed one of my old
basketball coaches who I had lunched with a couple of
days ago, and we at the same point of like,
just they're so selfless, and that's why I text my
other current coaches like, you know, normally an NBA you
have like a Lebron or a Kobe or Kawhi or
Harden that takes that alpha role. And I'm not saying like,

(06:18):
obviously that's led to many titles Jordan massive, like Elf,
like you have that one. He's your dog and hel
Burton is that guy. But you watch them play, if
you were new to basketball, you'd be like, okay, like
hel Burton's their stud, but is he the whole reason
they win? No, like he's clutched, but they're they're truly
a team, which I think that concept for them works

(06:40):
now if you ask other you know, like if you said, hey,
where's where's the next situation where you can find a
team that is a team based team that's made to
the finals, Like you have to dig for a while
because like, obviously I don't Clay was special, but Curry
was the guy, Lebron was the guy, Jordan was the guy,
Kobe was the guy. Like I think, so you used
to have these alpha lete teams that to have a

(07:03):
true team team with Aliberton, but he's not, I would
say up to that part, it's just kind of different,
kind of refreshing I think as a sports fan to
see the just guys that by in Like it's it
comes down to, hey, you're being a kid at heart
and you play with your team and your team's really
dad good, but you don't always have to have that
complete stud, which is just kind of a different perspective

(07:24):
of UNBA in my eyes.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, well, especially like they obviously would have to win
the whole thing to go with that, you know, all
the way to say, well usually you have this guy this,
well you they may find out they need that guy,
you know what I mean, that's fair in this series,
but we did say it from the kind of the
start and even last year you can see it. The

(07:47):
the amount of players they have that can be productive
in one game is yes, impressive. And you know, Haliburton,
like you said, he did not long ago have like
a thirty point almost triple double, but he's also had
some just mediocre games like Game one, you know, yeah,
where it was like he wasn't playing bad by any stretch,

(08:10):
but he wasn't playing great or whatever. And then they
have a closer, but that goes on the role he's
the closer, right, yes, but to get there, you know,
they have or be topping to hit five threes. They
have the you know, so it has to all play
together for him to do the close, you know. And
now he has four different major shots in each of

(08:33):
the four and we're only two games in, so we
don't want to limit them, you know, what I mean.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, but yeah, just.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Kind of kind of going on that game one. I did,
you know, put down some notes and kind of talking
it through a little bit, and you know, okay, see
did go small right away.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
They took one of their bigs out and they just
had ched in there.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
And I thought at the end of the game when
it was over, a lot of people focused on that,
and I thought that was the wrong focus, because first
of all, they built a lead, you know, with that
lineup right they had. They forced nineteen fucking turnovers, the
most in the finals half ever. And as a TIMERL fan,

(09:17):
I was feeling pretty good, like, hey, I guess we're
not the only one that turns the ball over against them,
you know, it was it was Yeah, it was nineteen
to four at half when it came to turnovers. Uh
Siakam was playing pretty well. But other than that, it
was it was a rough go. It was a rough go.
It was fifty seven to forty five. It was just

(09:39):
so many damn turnovers. SGA had nineteen points at the half,
and you're thinking, man, you know, on one hand, nineteen
turnovers and you're only down by twelve. That's kind of
in your back of your head, like, maybe this isn't
all that horrible if they could just get their shit together,
and they did. I did think actually, hard Den played

(10:00):
really good. He played better than Chet in this game.
And Andy got it to like eighty two to seventy six.
Sga hit a three to kind of close out that
third quarter. But the key was Indy won that third
quarter thirty one to twenty eight. So I was like, okay,
here we go. Their offense is starting to catch up

(10:23):
obviously the turn. You know, if you have nineteen and
a half, uh, you don't end up with like thirty
six or whatever, then you know, you you you got
that out. But but you know, for a while, I'm
looking at it in the fourth quarter of seven thirty
markets ninety eight to eighty eight, and you're starting to
you know, you're like, okay, here we go. But okay,

(10:43):
see continued to answer them though, you know, just like
they did with the Timberwolves, you know, just every time,
oh you get the single digits, okay.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
We're gonna you know, here's seven more points.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
You know, And they kept doing that.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Then Topping started going off.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
He got up to like five three, and Indy went
out a twelve to two run got it to ninety
eight ninety four with six eleven left, and you're thinking,
oh shit, dude, Turner was playing really good. They had
a bunch of guys, you know, play really well. But
right at that point, right I wrote it down my notes,

(11:18):
it's a really close game. And INDI missed back to
back open threes, and at that point, Marshall, it's one
oh four ninety eight with a little over three three
minutes left. I'm like, man, those threes that would have
been so huge, you know, and I don't know it,
but you know, obviously it didn't slow down down in
that fourth quarter. They got it to one o eight,

(11:39):
one oh five with a buck fifty four left. They
were six of nine from three at that point. Uh
And okay, see who doesn't usually shoot a lot of threes.
They were zero four at that time, but they had
like a ten to two, yeah, ten to two run
to get it to a point.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
And then obviously we know.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
What happened there, you know, they they they had that
play where they were checking to see if it was
a fall. Okay, so he got the ball back, SGA
got a good look at the basket. He that bucket.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
You know that that's usually when he when he shot
that thing.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
And it was good defense until he rose up and
he stepped back a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Then he was a clean shot, you know. So I
was like, oh, he missed it.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
You know, and then you're like, oh shit, here we go.
And I liked that little clip of Reggie Miller watching
it with his family, you know, right, they they split
that little thing where they missed, and then they had
the ball. But of course Haliburton takes uh you know
what now is classified as a bad shot because it's

(12:45):
just inside the three right, but he was open.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
He knocks it down with point three left. Yes, Derek Fisher,
Derek Fisher.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Scenario could have happened with point three left, but it
wasn't gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
They ended up fucking winning the game, and.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
It just.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
It just blew me away.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Man.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
I was buzzing for like an hour after that game.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
I was just like, holy shit, they did it again, dude,
And I'm feeling real good about my plus nine ten
Haliburton MVP at that moment, like oh whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
It's a good way to start the series, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
And so just to add on to what we're saying
they now have three wins when trailing with a minute
left by seven.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I mean that is actually that extra level.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
And you know sga To was credit thirty eight points
three steals, the most points in a Finals debut since
Ellen Iverson, So he was definitely doing his thing, obviously.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
But yeah, to see the you know, you look at.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Milwaukee in the Indiana game, right, thirty four point seven,
thirty four to seven left in ot they're down seven.
They win that game. The Cleveland game one nineteen one twelve,
forty six point seven seconds.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Left, they win that game down.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
One twenty one to one twelve, Marshall with fifty two
point five seconds left. Oh, they won that fucking game.
Even here at two thirty six, it's one to wait
ninety nine, dude, You're like, now it's over, dude, it's done.
Just just just get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
And there was this other point.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
They didn't make a shot, okay, c in the fourth quarter,
did not make a shot outside the paint.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So they did just nothing out there.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
And in that scenario in the finals, not the overstatu
you here, but this is a big one. NBA teams
were zero and one twenty one went down seven or
more points in the final three minutes of regulation. Now
they're over the last twenty eight postseasons. Right now, they're
one in twenty one and for Game one, it's the

(15:04):
first single digit game since Toronto and Golden State in
twenty nineteen. Otherwise they've just been you know, double digit
wins for somebody. So a whole lot of shit. Not
the throw not to overstat you there, but those are
like crazy stats. Just spit out and helburn Man, like

(15:26):
I said, he may not have a great game, but
then it's like, all right, dude, all your teammates did
the role.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Now it's your time, and he knows how to do it.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Then I just wish he had brought up that Toronto
series because I think I mentioned it like five times
this year, and just because if Clay does not Terror's acl,
I think we win the series. But it is what
it is, Uh, you know. But to that point, both
of these teams, Chris to wrap that up, because that
is very poortut is on both of.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Them too, by the way, Huh Siakam was on both
those teams.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Uh. That and the fact that these teams have had
pretty good luck on injuries. Lady lucks because I think
we've done this podcast for almost ten years out around there,
almost every year one team could have won a title,
but an injury kills one of their best players. Yeah
this year, Tatum, Uh, we've had the Kyrie we had,

(16:23):
we had Clay we had. It is crazy and for
this year knockout one. You know, but the teams say, hell,
they hope it stays that way. I do.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
I mean, I yeah, both these rosters, everybody's healthy.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
I have no betting interest. I would have any bad blood,
I'm sure for the Pacers, but I do hope that
like Haliburton SGA, I always guys say, because you want
to see, you know, the best play the best. Uh.
But Game one, dude, he's had fifteen clutch shots this year.
He's made thirteen of them for Halberton. Like that is

(16:56):
ur goodly, That dude is special. Uh, but again they're
a true team for that Game one. One thing I
did here that was a really good point was when
you see the turnover numbers, It's like, how do they
have that be turnovers?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
But but the cash in they didn't cast them in.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
And also, and this reminds me of because we've done
this and like when I was coaching high school basketball.
When I have coached that, won't be doing it this year,
but tell you what year off happy to get that
guy which on the Pacers are good at it. So, yes,
you had nineteen turnovers in the first half, but something
that Carlisle, who's the better coaches from experience knowledge, I'm

(17:38):
clearly the upsize was.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
One of the best coaches in the league.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Oh yeah, one of the better ones of all time
if you I mean deviity.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Was they emphasized, hey, we got to get back. So sometimes, yes,
the turnover does suck is that you don't a you
don't get a shot off beat, you can't score. But
if you have a guy busted inter ass back, hey
you can now set up your for defense skin because
a lot of times if you have a live ball
turnover like especially with like I don't like see like
Golden State that shoots a lot of threes, like a

(18:07):
long rebound can be trouble. Yes, so you have a
turnover a lot of times turnovers like boom boom boom,
two passes lay up dunk like oh bit, But if
you have guys hustling back, that makes everyone catch up.
So that is, like it's a very fundamental part of basketball.
But having that get that guy to where hey, if
you don't shoot the ball, you're the furthest guy back.

(18:29):
Bust your ass back. Okay, well now, yes, nineteen turnovers
is awful for a first half, but having that defensive
transition back keeps it from getting out of hand.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I think it was only eleven points off of those.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yes, which Matt max really low. Damn yeah, so uh yeah,
I'm with you, dude, just what the Pacers do. And again,
I know that you don't deserve a gold Heart for
the like this the silver medal team. If they don't
win the series, so be it. But the comeback they've
made are amazing and it really is just a tremendous

(19:04):
thing to look at, like all those come backs you mentioned,
I mean, the Haliburton choke, like that's probably gonna be
the memory of the playoffs unless there's like a Game
seven walkoff, like and he had a game work with
you know, like I know, like speed up Hockey last year,
David won the MVP for the innh playoffs even though
they didn't win the Cup. I'm not saying Helbertson is
gonna get that, but he's probably gonna be the guy

(19:26):
it's gonna be most remembered for this playoffs because he's
had so many clutch shots. So for Game one again
and I it was it was one. I think it
might have been Vet Pelton in ESPN, but I was
listening to this podcast where he's like, dude, when he
when he left up for the shots, I knew was
going in And I felt the same way Chris like
when he picked I'm like, dude, I'll dude, that's buckets.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Like I just like, get the damn ball to Helburton,
you know, just just get it to him.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
And okay, see he played good defense.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh yeah, it wasn't bad bad to take his time
to get to the spy, you know yeah, and he
like he was going to the rock. So the dude
got off him a little bit and just that little
it looked like he could have passed it. But with
that time left, it would have been draft.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
It would have been tight. Yeah, because Crusoe's like, I'm
gonna cheat over but he's like, oh, there's my guy
going like you just said, and he just like, dude, buckets,
Like you know what. I love that Hulbert. You know,
he's not like Curries, my guy, but he Curry kind
of pips it out. Hulbert will just scream and just
like Walk. He don't even tell very much. He's he's

(20:35):
an interest. I would like to like just hear podcast
it because he just seems to be interesting. Obviously incredible
basket player, bit chill du But for yeah, for that
game though to kind of they came back yet again
to your points, like we were saying for the show,
I think, okay, so he got a little gun shy
of not doing the uh Chet and Hardy see lineup

(20:58):
together just to see or just one of them. Yeah, yeah,
really small too. That was that's where the criticism should
have came in, not in the starting lineup. It's closing yet.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Chet did have a garbage game, But you gotta believe
in your guy a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
You know. I like the point you made because I
hear a lot of top notch MBA people say, well,
what wow, why were they doing that? But to your point,
in the first half it paid off.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
It fucking worked, and then it worked to get in
game two. So it's really not that you know, you
would never.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Hear the criticism of going too small, if they wore
game one, if the if the Miles turned move genius move,
so you can you can flip it both ways for sure.
But you know, uh, but yeah, I just do it.
They're just a fun team again, no real interest I'm
obviously going for but they're just there. It's fun for

(21:49):
basketball like to have stories like this, Like it's just
so many times that if you have a seven or
a ten point lead with a couples ago, it's like, dude,
turn the game off, like, yeah you might, you might.
You're probably looking to see who's covering the spread, per se.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
More so in the finals, you know, because that little
separate because I just read one of those stats that's
the first time that ever happened in the finals of
twenty five years or whatever. So it's like that shows
you because if you screw up just a little bit
in the finals, it's gonna make you pay, you know.
So it's so hard to come back. And someone made
an analogy that you know, they're like, uh, like a

(22:29):
Cinderella college team. And then you look at Haliburton and
he looks like he's still in college, you know, like
he could be that college guy you know where you're like, yeah,
that's exactly what they are. They just keep pulling shit
out of their ass and he keeps knocking down the shots.
And so it does have that college vibe where you're like,

(22:49):
holy shit, this team's gonna go. And actually, to your point,
since the twenty thirteen Heat, which that year was like
a defensive crazy struggle in that that series, I remember
the Pacers with the first team to win an NBA
Finals game with zero twenty point scorers.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah. And then also with the more stats about the Pacers,
the Pacers has six road wins into the playoffs this
year where the leading scorer in the game was on
the opposite team. This is the most.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
By any NBA team in the single postseason all time.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
That's because they're a fricking team. That's what I love
about that team.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's what I'm saying in the college vibe too, where
you're like, yeah, I hear you, dude, I understand what
you're saying. However, you gotta chop this team's head off. Yeah,
and the body's still gonna wiggle, but you gotta, you gotta,
you gotta kill it because it kill himself, you know. Yes,
another crazy stat. Oklahoma City just lost. This is game

(23:56):
after game one. Just lost to an East team at
home for the first time since March twelve, twoenty twenty four,
because you know, they don't they only play an East
team once, you know, you know, so they didn't lose.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
To I think I heard there were thirty and two
of this year versus the East.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
And so both of those came on the rope.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, losses.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
But you know, just you know, like Siakam was stall
and Naysmith was Sall a lot of turnovers but still
sawid you know, Turner was like they just got.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
So many contributions and one more.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
This one's for Ricky. Okay, this is Rick Carlisle's stat,
just to put it out the topper and then we'll
get the game too. There's been three fourth quarter comebacks
of fifteen points fourth quarter, not just in the game,
but fourth quarter since nineteen seventy one. In the last
two were coached by Rick Carlisle. Uh, the one we

(24:58):
just saw, and then the h Dallas and Heat series
in twenty eleven they did that there too, So that's
pretty crazy. Golden State Bill Simmons said Golden State won
a game three of the nineteen seventy five finals by eight.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
When they turned the ball over thirty six times in
that game. That's wild.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
And if you win game one, it's a seventy one
percent chance you're gonna win the series.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Okay, okay, out there, just throwing that out there.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
So coming into game two, you know, I was feeling
good about my plus nine ten Halliburton MVP, but I thought,
you know what, let's get back to Earth, Chris, Let's
get back to Earth, and let's let's put money.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
On Oka See. Okay, I'm gonna take the spread. Let's
let's do that.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
And you know, they came out and it was kind
of a grinded it out game that you know, if
it wasn't for like a nine to ozero run by
Okay See to get up to six to twenty. Chet
had nine points in the first quarter. Isaiah Joe had
a smooth as layup in that first quarter too. But

(26:08):
it looked pretty good and there wasn't that many turnovers,
and then there was like, you know, this is where
the big rushes came. There was like a nine to
ozer run, a ten oh run, like it was the
points of the pain. At one point. Early in the
second were sixteen to four. There's a really freaking crazy

(26:31):
stat like, so they got up fifty to twenty nine.
The five minutes left of the second, they had a
seventeen to two run.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
And if you back it all the way up to.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Nine thirty seven in the second, they had a nineteen
to two run, seven to twelve from the field, and
they were just shooting over fifty percent again. As you know,
Williams came to play check. You know, at half they
all had a good game going and it was fifty
one percent to thirty five, twenty six to twelve points

(27:09):
in the paint, and then the bench was going crazy too.
And five players with fifteen points. Don't get mad at me,
but the first time in the finals game five players
with at least fifteen points since twenty nineteen that Toronto
Rappers had to do it again.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, that's I deserve that.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
I deserve that.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
He's flicking me off to see.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
You guys know if you can't see it on the record, yeah,
it's off the record, no problem. The Russo was going crazy.
You know. Haliburton did have a like a quiet most
of the game until late it was eighty to sixty
four with three point fifty left in the third. The
bench points at that point were twenty seven to thirteen.

(27:53):
But Haliburton got his second field goal fairly deep into
the third. He ended up, you know, getting more points.
I think he had like six assists, but he had
five turnovers. Wiggins was going off. He had like seventeen
points in eighteen minutes. At one point, the bench had

(28:13):
like thirty nine to sixteen at one you know, kind
of late in the fourth quarter, a SG had a
really good all around game and didn't shoot the ball
as much like he did thirty times in the first one.
They basically just.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Once they jumped on him in that second.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
You know, you saw like a little life here and there.
But they they they took care of business man, and
that's what you know, that's the thing about OKC, especially
at home. They take care of business and they usually
win by double digits, if not, sometimes by thirty. You know,
so not really a surprise, but it just they just

(28:52):
got it from everywhere. You know, the teammates along with
SGA having his great game, you know, the supporting cat
really showed up and it was just kind of the opposite.
You can even look at the Pacers numbers. Some of
them don't look that bad. But a lot of that
was when the game.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Was over, you know, to just to kind of summarize
from my pacer standpoint, I would be too upset, like
everything you just said, I think we expected. I know,
you bet the game I bet. Okay, see first half.
I did that first quarter because the Pacers have not
really shied away for big games. They have won where

(29:28):
they're like, oh, they're gonna get round at the gym.
They they've been maybe beat, but they've not been embarrassed
for the first quarter, like they don't come out flat.
But that's why I took the first half, which safely
that way a run.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
But that was a good point though, on the first quarter,
because they were in that game, they were leading it
a little bit. You know.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, but everything you said was true but also expected, Like, yes,
the Pacers won Game one, which you know, like huge news, right,
which we got not expected, but okay, he was expected
when game two. This is a team that like has
had They were three games away from time Golden States

(30:08):
all time record for a regular season year. So yes,
they lost him one, but it wasn't like you know, like, uh,
it's not like, sorry, let me pause. Okay, they won
Game two, okay, which we expected, and to get to
that point was I mentioned they lost him one because

(30:28):
as I said last week of the Week four, this
is a good, great team, but I don't think they've
had that maturity Chris that we talked about. But this
week got new listeners today that they've not been through
it enough. Like, yes, this team could win the title
this year, but normally to win a title, you have
to have guys who've just kind of gone through the waves.

(30:50):
That's why, like they did have like the Wolves random
out the gym, Memphis ran them out the gym Game
three until John gets hurt, Like this team has.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
The push to a game seven.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, Denver, Game six Denver said, dude, go we're going
back to We're flying our asses back to Okay. See,
so this team has the skill set to win a title,
but they don't have that DNA of like, dude, we've
been here before experience, which say what you want, it's true,
Like that's why the Warriors did do what they did,
but they didn't win on their first year. Like Ship Jordan,

(31:24):
we watched the Last Dance documentary, Jordan title.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
He you know, so destroy terrorized him for a while.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, you have to go through your growing pains so
to be one to one. Obviously, Pacer fans are happy
because they split, okay, See fans were like, dude, Game
one was a fluke. Game two that showed the team
we are. So from a Game two standpoint, SGA passed
the ball more. They played the Bigs a bit more.
I believe Herten's signed and Chat both played more minutes,

(31:52):
and they both played better. Uh so we'll see how
they decided to so you wish the minutes from now on.
But I think both fan bases are pretty happy right now,
because if you're Okay fan, you're like, dude, if we're okay,
see radio talking this morning, Hey we got we're good,
we got this, we're good. If Acers radio talk, dude,
we stole one from them at home, like they're supposed

(32:14):
to be a beatable there. So from that standpoint, I
think both fan bases are relatively happy. Obviously, now Vegas
is still gonna be favored, okay, see as they should.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
And I and a half or something like that, four
and a half, five and a half I've seen.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, I didn't all this ship. Chris, I know you
mentioned you had hallibertson plus nine hundred with MVP SGA
was minus six hundred on some books to win the
MVP of the Series finals. That is, who's gonna bet
minus six hundred? Like, yeah, I'm sure people at will,
like I'm gonna bet ten grand to win, you know,

(32:49):
four grand, But like, yeah, that is crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
That's a good point. You gotta have some money to
do that.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
You gotta have big Yeah, this is not worth it.
You just can't. I don't have that money on these.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Springs is angle and you're like shit, you.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Know, yeah, I just would take grand to it four
grade hell right.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
So but from that perspective, yeah, both teams are happy.
The Pacers did lose. But if the Pacers had won
Game two, this would have been one hell of a
podcast because Game one, dude, the cardiac kid Pacers win. Cool.
If they won Game two, Chris, I'd be going off

(33:28):
on just soapbox right up, because like, how did that happen?

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, we would have had to call this podcast plus
nine ten as well.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
We'd have to call it. Uh yeah, that would be crazy.
That would be crazy.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
But you know, no, no surprise though, because you know
they've shown it, you know, time and time again. And
now we're going back to Indy for game three. In
game four, we are obviously guaranteed five games.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Let me ask you quickly, sorry, do you like the
two two one one one or do you wish? Right?
If if you were the the commission rules the NBA
Chris Carlson, NBA rules, would you prefer the two three
two or the two two one one one if you
were the boss?

Speaker 1 (34:14):
It's a good question. If the tim Roves are in it,
I'd have a different answer.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Okay, Well, I suppose did pay if they were the
whole seed or.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
The Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I grew up with two three two.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
I think it does lend itself to the away team, uh,
because if you win two out of three at home,
you know you're you're in really good shape. Yeah, but
I don't know, I'm kind of I'm I'm okay with it.
I'm okay with it because I think if you uh, like, like, okay, see,
for instance, they had to go through the West and

(34:50):
have the best record in the league. Yeah, so you're
gonna like punish them for that.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
You know that it is kind of weird and just.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Imagine the scenario or right now it's one one and
you gotta be in Indianapolis for three games. You know.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's a whole new ball game.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
But you know, if you look at how the series
have gone of late, you can make an argument they
should go back to what it was because there it hasn't.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
There hasn't been much drama in the finals in recent
you know.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, there's been some like, uh, it looks like the
Suns are looking good. They lose for what four straight?
Boston was up two to one, they lose three straight.
You know, so we just haven't had that necessarily, uh
drama like that. So and I think that does help
obviously when you get three straight games at home.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Right Yeah, So yeah, I'd probably.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Go two, three to two. Long story short.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Okay, that's a good question. And like I said, if
my Timbrelves had the home court, I'd be like, no,
this is bullshit, dude. It was too two two on one.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
But but yeah, okay, so now here we are, you know,
people are talking about hal Burton probably does need to
be a tad more assertive and you know, he's gonna
make the right pass and I think sometimes even if
it's like a hockey assist, people are just so used

(36:22):
to some players taking bad shots no matter what, and
they end up with more points. And actually, I can
look at Kg. Kg could have been a top five
scorer almost every year if he would have taken a
handful of more bad shots, you know, now, would that

(36:43):
translate the fifty wins? Probably not? Probably not? His stats
would look better. Oh, you know, but you're not in
the fucking playoffs, so who gives a shit? You know?
So yeah, I do think there are times though against
okayse you know, people are like, oh, they got to run,
they gotta run. It's like, dude, it's hard to run
of gets okay, see dude, you know, yes, because they're

(37:06):
at you at half court. You see him turn the
ball over. Hallie turned the ball over at half court.
Remember he like jumped back a little bit. Andy, he
caused a turnover on himself. You rarely see that. So
if they're doing that to them, how are you gonna
run more? You know what it's gonna be is they're
gonna miss and then you're gonna grab it and run.
But it's tough to run on makes against this team

(37:31):
because everybody scrambles, everybody's on you. They're deep, so they
can get tired, you know. So I do think Haliburton
could be more assertive because there are times and that's
just overall his game.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I think as he gets a little older, he will
pick the.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Time a little better. Not just we know his time
right now, yeah, you know, deep in the game, but
overall as during a season all that. You know, I
think that there are times where I go, it's like, dude,
just take over, dude, but they're not really. He has
the best you know, guard defender on him, so it's
you know what I mean. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
I don't know if he needs to be crazy.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
You don't want to like force stuff because then you
get into the turnover game.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
At the game, they're a true team. They are a
self which teams are like that to this level?

Speaker 1 (38:22):
And do you just know, all of a sudden, just
break up what you got going on because you're trying
to make somebody on Twitter happy, you know what I mean?
Because Topping can go for five threes, Nie Smith can
go for five threes out of nowhere, and and and
I think people do forget about that other stuff that
got him to that clutch point and the Halibert takes

(38:44):
it over and it's it's basically been that the whole
time too.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Each of those games there's somebody doing something.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
So and then a lot of people talking about they
need to they need to do a better job on SG. Hey,
we talked about this before we hit record, and honestly,
like he is one of those players that he's just
gonna get his and you just gotta slow down the
supporting cast. I just don't think there's any way around it.

(39:13):
He's really he's just under control. He knows where he
wants to get. You know, he did, like you said,
he passed a little bit more here, and they forced
him into passing a little bit at times, didn't have
to take as many shots.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
But now that we're in Indy Marshall, do you see
it one one?

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Going back to game.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Five because we know we're getting the game five?

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Do you see Indy maybe winning both games or which
really stuck as a fan, okay, see winning two games
and then being up three to one.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
How do you see this playing out?

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Because you know it's tough not to at least respect
Indie enough to go one one, you know, in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Anyway, I've been agree with that sentence. Uh yeah, we
we've agreed a lot. In the NBA's yere normally college football,
we're always bitching, going back and forth. But yeah, I
mean we've been on the same.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Past a couple of drinks in you you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, I'm a friendly drunk, I am. Now if the
Oilers losing four hours, different story.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
If if I had to bet and place my money
down right now, I would say goes back to to
I do think again, to my point, which I've work
stud over the last few weeks, okay is good, but
they don't have to experience yet. So I do think
that the fact that okay see has given up a
game on the road to well should have been Memphis

(40:47):
and Denver and Minnesota. I don't think Indianapolis with what
is on a steak is gonna let once. They're not
gonna swept to Hope. So I do think it goes.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
That's a good way to put it.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah, So I think the Pacers would get three. And
they haven't been.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
As good on the road either, okay See, they've.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Been yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's part of the young ship.
Like you said again, Memphis was up and they own
they dog walked Memphis this whole year. But Memphis was
up twenty seven until job bust is risk. I'll just
say Memphis was gonna win that game. And now I
know that Pacers are the cardiac kids, but if you're
a twenty seven to third quarter until your best player

(41:25):
bust is risks, you're gonna win that game. And the
timber Wolves take three for the bet of a lifetime.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
They won that year, and they had a tight game
the very next game too.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah, and say with Memphis, Memphis is Game four, they
lost by two chi Yeah, good point. So I do
think that they're gonna keep pushing it out. Could okay
see when the series for sure, But I do think
they split the Pacers land. I think it goes Pacers
went three. Okay, see what's four? But I would flip
it either way. I think it comes back to to two.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Do you think they could change the rules right now
and put it back to it two three two? Is
there any they put the trophies on the goddamn digitally
trophies on the damn floor. Can't they just digitally this
and have three three.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Home games you can't affect like the wood of the
court like I don't Yah, I don't know. Jesus Lord.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
They felt the pressure though from Twitter because they digitally
enhanced the court. They put two It's funny because out
of nowhere, they just appeared on the court right before
the game started. Seriously, it was about to tip and boom,
the two trophies just appeared on it digitally.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
No one painted it in five seconds.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Nope, No, I think it'll be too too as well.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
I agree. I agree. Oh, Game five would be Monday,
next Monday, Rock I'll be at Minneapolis. I'll be ready
to go, so we won't obviously.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
We're not going to do a show right before the game,
you know what I mean, So, you know, kind of
eye on it.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
We'll see how it goes.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Obviously, I will say the one the one X factor
I want to mention it is what what does Carlisle
have up his sleeve next? Because I think so he's
just some experienced coaches't be you know. And Daniel's learned
to it. Again, people ripped it pretty hard for the
way he found people at the end of the Denver
Game one, and probably rightfully so. He showed his cards

(43:30):
and game one of this series, which to your point,
in the first half good, second half good before the
Miles Heir bait three? Good dude, dude, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
You're being It was good for a while.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Why are you going small? So? What will be the
what's the next Uh? I'm not going to use the
word i'd really use because I don't want to say
that guy's name. What's the next car they're pulling out
of their sleeves? Uh? That Carlile will pull to maybe
make had to think about something because like I'll reference
my Worriors and get whatever. But like the Summit bo

(44:05):
get out was something that current in that what their
first title? So is there a chess move the Pacers
can make to flip the series? No, probably not, because
they're not the skillful team. But what what coaching adjustments
in Carlisle used to alter dan It? Oh? And what
can what made dan Ito do too? Maybe you do
see more check and holds of the time in game three,

(44:26):
or maybe maybe just start who knows you know? Or when.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Death right.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Death?

Speaker 1 (44:35):
When they.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah, yeah exactly that one of the title you know?
Or or maybe you do see when Miles turn or
comes out maybe you do see holds the side of
check come out like maybe you instead of changing your
line and maybe throw it back at them like you,
maybe they go play and chet hold the sign both
in the court together, just to see how the Pacers counter,
you know. So that is part of it too. For
NBA playoffs and the finals, we've had some of the

(44:59):
years of we're we've had a Kerr It's bolsterra and
some other coaches like you know, like they're veter guys.
This is a new one. So well, Okasey's coaching staff reactive.
They used it could make the right call. Theres they'll
say they won't. They just don't have to experience yet.
But maybe dead All pulls the right straight So that
leads to two Vickeries. We'll see, but I'll be curious
to see if there's the uh the SGA and helberd

(45:21):
or get a score. But can you alter something to
affect the overall play the game? Baby? Maybe not?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah, because to your point in that year that was
when they got down two to one, Yeah, we got
to do something and Cleveland kept the two big lineup. Yeah,
like one of them was real slow and big, you know.
Thompson yeah, it was like you know too, a big
lineup was a little more common than obviously, right, sure,
sure it's they didn't make adjustment. And I actually just

(45:50):
heard Lebron talking about that the other day on this podcast,
and you know, they probably couldn't. You know, maybe they
could have made adjusted. Maybe they couldn't. Maybe they feel like, eh,
this is what we got, let's go, you know. But yeah,
that's uh, that is interesting and and it we'll see.
Game three is a game three and game five are

(46:10):
big indicators too. So you know, if Indy did get
up two to one after game three, you know, who knows,
you know, maybe Okay See does switch it, or you know,
they're down two to one Indy, like you said, maybe
Indy will you know, do something.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
So if anyone's game three, it's a guarantee at least
they're coming back home for six. So you know, and
that building is electric, like you know, I know that,
like I do think the Oracle Special. They they they
sold out to the top, Buddy by know that the the
Target Center had got a lot of praise from NBA
fans uh and and media people. The okayc Arena people

(46:48):
say is really loud, uh, but that Pacers really man,
that's one of the better hold courts in the NBA.
So I would be very surprised if we do our
podcast the next time. We give brother that if the
Pacers lose both. I don't think that should happen. I
don't believe it will.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, and you know, kind of.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Like we did this this Monday.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
We didn't know for sure, but we did say if
it's one one, we'll probably do a podcast.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
And obviously yes, she hit. The fan of game was like, oh,
we're doing a podcast.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
But yeah, so we'll kind of play it by ear.
We may do it the Tuesday after game five. We
may be able to sneak something in Sunday if if
games game four are like holy shit, you know so,
but more than likely we'll wait till game five and
do it Tuesday or something like that.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Okay, we'll just kind of.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Play it by ear, so the audience kind of knows
what to expect.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Oh and for my last news of the day, uh So,
I was supposed to go to LCU last year with
my good college for marsh mad spread that it happened
due to issues I will talk about, but he invited
me this year Chris, I will be going to freaking
Tuscaloosa my first ever SEC football game, role Tied versus Oklahoma.
I'll be at tusc Loosa, Alabama. That's be a fun

(48:00):
podcast that day, brother, because I'm gonna be waving. Well actually,
i gotta wear Oklahoma gear because he's taking me there.
But it'll be it'll be a badass trip. I've never
been to it.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
There's a they're gonna be feist team of that game too,
you know, given how last year went.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah. Yeah, So I've been to a Gophers game. I
went to Camp ra Handle one. So those are my two,
I believe, yeah, only twoever times I've gotten to a
Big ten football But I'm gonna go to my first
ever SEC football game. Owe you in roll Tied Land.
So that's gonna be a fun podcast pre show and
recovery show if I'm alive after that Saturday.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah right again.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
So on that note, uh, and we will be doing
college football that what NBS finals finish to take a
few months off, and dude, college Football Week one is loaded,
so we're we're we're gonna like the first show of
the year. We are rolling boys.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
So on that note, thanks, for the support. We love it.
Enjoy your summer and get out and play some golf.
The boys rout tonight. Peace,
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