Preview Taylor vs Serrano 3 Netflix, Berlanga/Sheeraz, Stevenson/Zepeda! Bivol Ducking Beterbiev? ?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, what are boxing fans? This is the rope a
Dope Radio Podcast, the Real rope Adope Radio Podcast. It's
a Tuesday night and we're doing a show. I can't
believe it. I finally got it back to Tuesday nights. Anyway,
I hope everybody's having a good night. Hopefully you had
a good weekend, the holiday weekend and whatnot. We will

(00:26):
start with some light some light recap because it was
a light weekend. Caterall you bank not, you know, not
all that great obviously, and then you know a little
bit of a hundercard stuff too. That Caterall minus one

(00:51):
fifty two was it that hit? So that was nice.
I didn't touch anything else this weekend. I just made
that one bet and it went through. So coming off
a holiday week and a light weekend, we have a
jam packed weekend coming up Friday night on Netflix Katie Taylor,

(01:15):
Amanda Serrano, plus the undercard of course the Trilogy fight.
This one's really interesting because obviously the first two fights
were bangers, right, that's easy to tell. I had Serrano
winning at least one of those. Then I say, at
least I think it. I think you can make an

(01:39):
argument for two and zero, but I think it should
be one to one. I would be just fine, to
be honest with you, I just I don't know. I
didn't see Taylor winning both of them. But now Serrano
is the favorite going into it. You kind of wonder
if she's gonna get the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes

(02:03):
it could be one of those fights where now I
will score it for Taylor and then Serrana win. So
who knows. Either way, there have been great fights. I
just think it should be one and one, you know,
but either way Netflix, we'll talk a little bit about
the undercard too. But it's great man. You know. We
had the Tyson and Jake Paul fight. It is what

(02:28):
it is with that fight, right, I didn't expect that
would be a good fight and it sucked. But the
two fights before it were very good, this one being great,
you know, the second one we knew it was gonna
be great, just like the first one. But now it's
parlayed into being the main event on Netflix. So I'm

(02:48):
really excited about that. Then The Zone, Hey Dozone has
a pay per view this week? And did you know that?
No Berlanga, Shiraz Stevenson, Zepata, my guy the morele mattis PLAYO.
So we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna break down that card.
I know that there is. I think if you coumble

(03:12):
this one with with the USIK one, I think it's
like forty three dollars or something like that, because I
think it's ninety six if you if you package it,
which forty three dollars pay per view is better than
sixty or seventy or whatever. But I still wish this

(03:34):
one coming up on Saturday night wasn't a pay per view.
I just think at some point you have to uh
not have every card a pay per view. And we'll
talk a little bit about the build up kind of

(03:55):
lack thereof, but whatever. It hasn't been bad or anything.
But the way does OWN promotes these fights, many of
these fights anyway, not every single event, but some of them.
In a fair amount of them, it's like they say
to zone to zone, to zone to zone, and then
you get to fight week and it's a pay per view.

(04:18):
Now I knew it was a pay per view because
I remember three out of four weeks they were gonna
have a pay per view, and I remember the deal
and everything like that. But there has been some that
I thought, hey, wait, I thought that wasn't gonna be
pay per view. So and I've also noticed how they

(04:38):
advertise other fights. But when you look at it, like
when you if you just look at the post itself,
it kind of looks like it's their fights, which is
week two. Hey it's a stack July. Make sure you
buy a ticket or buy the pay per view July too,
you know, it's it's I don't know, I'm not a

(04:58):
big fan of that. You can say it's a stack
July and say hey, this is this and that is that,
and that's great, but the way they kind of skew
the lines, so to speak. But it's the ring or
it's I mean, it wasn't even the ring on Twitter, right,

(05:18):
it was that one dude. So it's just it's just
kind of weak how they how they try to pawn
some ship off like it's like it's theirs, and then
kind of make it seem like you'll be watching fights
and they'll be like, oh, this week, you know, on
his own and then like I've had multiple people when

(05:42):
I've talked about the fight and then these are like hardcorees.
They're not like I'm friends with them on the boxing level,
and some of them just friends in general, but none
of them here locally, or I'm just there a friend
with him. I've been friends, you know, for a long time.
And then oh, by the way, we'll watch the fights

(06:02):
once in a while. Not those people. They're not contacting
me because they don't even barely even know what de
zone is. But I have noticed that a lot of
people thought this was gonna be a free card anyway.
Don't get me wrong, like it's still a good card.
I'm not saying that. It's just at some point, you know,
maybe Netflix, you know, maybe this Canelo Crawford will be

(06:25):
a starting point for that. So we will preview and
predict all the fights going on this weekend. By the way,
pro Box even though the main event is a little
different now due to Lester Martinez dropping off. Unfortunately, pro
Box returns pro Box TV on Saturday. We had some

(06:47):
news about David Dennevitez in the card in November from
Saudi Arabia. Stack card. You know, I like the card,
but you know, we'll talk about it. We'll talk about
it because it kind of it's weird because we heard
about a Benevida's fight, and then all of a sudden,

(07:08):
a certain trilogy at the same weight class for lineal
is getting postponed. Hopefully, hopefully it's not off off, but yeah,
kind of funky, kind of funky, a little bit funky.
So we're gonna get into it. John is gonna pop
on here in just a short little bit. If this

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jump into some of this, some of this recap. I'm

(08:31):
not gonna go crazy with the recap, but where we
are going to recap a little bit. So Jack Catterall
Harlem You Bank obviously a really real boring fighting right,

(08:52):
not going way out of the limb by saying that,
but you know, early on you Bank, he was just
jumpy as hell. Whether it was offense defense, he was
just jumpy. And it was almost like a faint, a
faint off, like a faint fest, like hey man, let's

(09:13):
let's I'm gonna faint the shit out of you dude,
because that's all he was doing. And he was high jabbing.
But it wasn't. It was like he was fainting with
the high jab It was really it was strange, right,
it was strange. I gave catall the first two rounds,
and obviously, like in the first round, between all the fainting,

(09:35):
it was like a left hand to the head and
that seemed like that was the best punch. I think
there was a late left hand that stole the round
for me. In round two. Not much happening though, and
continuing round three like upper body movement, foot movement from

(09:56):
from Harlem U Bank, but just fainting and just knock
admitting to his punches. It was really strange. It was
really really strange. I thought the fourth round could have
maybe went to U Bank. More of that, you know,
the high high jab, the high faint jab, and sometimes

(10:18):
it's badly missing. But you know, maybe a jab in
a left hand was good enough for Catterall to win
that round. I didn't have this fight tight tight, to
be honest with you, I did give you Bank. The
fifth I thought that he finally, you know, was like

(10:39):
landing a jab. He also landed a nice right hand
or two. But then the sixth round there was a
clash of heads and it was pretty late in the
round Catterall, both of them got cut. Catterall seemed worse.
It was weird, though, so they broke it up and

(11:00):
and Jack Catterall goes to his corner and his trainer
or someone in his corner starts wiping his eye off,
and then and then the ref said, oh no, no, no,
you know, he grabbed him away. But then the ref
had and and I don't know how hard he was
pressing on their neck. But I don't know, did you
notice this too. The dude the ref had both these

(11:20):
guys by their necks and he was almost like he
was putting pressure on the back of their neck. It's like, dude,
who the fuck are you? You're not this is in
like a neighborhood fight and you're the dad and you're
just grabbing the two apart. You know, it was really weird.
I was like, dude, why you press it? Like I
think Catererall kind of moved back a little bit, like, dude,
get your hand off my neck. Dude, I'm not sure

(11:41):
you're not my dad. You know you're not my father.
I didn't I didn't do anything wrong. Well, he actually
did do something wrong, but but that I just I
just I had that written in my nose. I thought
that was really weird. I thought that was really weird.
When they started fighting again, you Bank was kind of
wrestling even more with him, and he threw them down.

(12:05):
So so the round ends and then they they look
at the doctor or he, you know, Catererall looks at
the doctor looks like they may start it, and there's
a pause and pause and waiting and the rest talking
to like the scorekeeper or something, or the timekeeper, I
should say, and or someone, and he I guess he

(12:26):
was talking to a doctor. I don't know. It was weird,
and all of a sudden he got up. He said, no,
we're calling it off. And then you Bank acts like,
you know, like it's it's over, like it's he won,
and it's like, well wait, and then I'm looking I'm
like the head. They called it a clash of heads, right,
you know, so I'm thinking, wait, what what's going on?

(12:48):
So he's acting like he won, and I'm not saying
being confident that you won on the scorecards. His first
reacted reaction was that he just won straight up, so
obviously they went. So the scorecards. One scorecard had it
sixty nine sixty five, and then two had it sixty
nine sixty six. I had it like four to two.

(13:11):
That's how I had it. I guess you could say
three to two one maybe, but I had it four
to two tops. So the fight sucked, dude. I mean,
there's not much more to talk about it. You Bank
just needs to commit to what he's doing. I get

(13:31):
setting up shots, I get taking your time, I get
being patient. I get not overdoing it early in the fight,
but he just wasn't committing to his punches, and I
think all that movement's just burning energy, like it wasn't
effect that whatsoever. In Caterall, he wasn't doing much either.
I'm not trying to say he was, you know, throwing

(13:54):
all these punches or whatever. But I had him winning
in like a non descript outcome. So and then also
on the under card, the was it Fayes, Fayes and Murphy.
I thought Murphy started really well with the jab, and
it was kind of one of those one of those
fights that I could I could see both sides of it,

(14:18):
like who you think won? Because it's like what what
do you like in a fight? That old statement, what
do you like? Who do you you know? What? What
kind of work do you like it? And I would
have been okay with a draw too. I wouldn't have
been uh, you know against that. Fayes did win the fight,

(14:41):
but you know, it's close. It was like ninety seven,
ninety three, ninety six, ninety four, ninety six, ninety five.
But I thought early that Murphy did pretty good job,
like I said, with the jab, even early on later
in the first or second round. In those early rounds,

(15:02):
you know, some nice hooks, especially like I said, late
by Faez, and he kinda kind of had a decent guard,
almost like a high guard, but he definitely started getting
his his jab going and his short hooks on the
inside I thought were some of the best shots. Both

(15:24):
guys I thought targeted the body fairly well anyway, But
I thought as the fight went on, the short hooks
and uppercuts, I just thought those were the more effective
punches for Fayez. Whereas It's not to say that Murphy

(15:45):
wasn't doing some good work, but to me, he started
to slow down some and he started to get kind
of arm punchy for my liking. Anyway, I thought he
was a little arm punchy, to be honest with you.
So I had Fiaz winning, but I would have been
okay with a draw, you know. And it, like I said,
it is one of those fights. Every year there's fights

(16:06):
like that where you're like, how did you score? It
is based off what you saw, what you like. You
can make an argument for both sides, and I guess
you can say that in a lot of fights, but
especially this one. Sky Nicholson gotta win. Pat Brown gotta win,
Wilkinson upset Krola, not Anthony, but William Krola, Cordinia gotta win.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I think.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
I think that's about it. Like I said, it wasn't
wasn't really some kind of great you know fight or
fight weeknd or whatever. But you know, if thot Catroll
he did okay. But even even he said, you know,
you could tell he didn't really do all that. He

(16:56):
didn't feel like he did that great. I guess you
could say, so you Bank. I just think Carlen you
bake needs to like, uh, not faint as much, which
you know that's pretty obvious when you watch a fight.
But it's just like commit to the punches. Like he

(17:19):
was throwing these like right hands, and and he he'd
like miss badly. You know. It was almost like he
was throwing but also like retweet retreating to get not
retweeting retreating to retreating to get out of the way.
It was, I don't know, it was. It was kind
of funky. And then he just kind of walk it
off like he would just he would just walk like, oh,

(17:42):
there's just a little bit leaving around. Okay, I'm just
gonna walk around. I'm just gonna keep walking around and
keep walking around. Its just it was hard to give
him around based off of how he fought. Like I said,
these high jabs were just to nobody. It was I've
just never seen that many faints with the highjack so
maybe it just looks goofy and it threw me off.

(18:04):
But Caterall, you know, I think he's a good fighter.
Neither of him have much power, you know, But we'll see,
we'll see. I mean, I don't really I think that
kind of showed the ceiling on Haarlem new Bank. I
kind of figured that going in. But Caterall, they get

(18:24):
the decision. Like I said, I did get that nice
little little bump there. So John should be popping in
here soon. I don't want to start the predictions and
all that without you know, catching up with him. Like
I said, I'm really excited about this Taylor Toronto fight.
The fact that it's on Netflix is really really dope.

(18:52):
Let's let's talk about Benavitez. You know, he gets this
fight done. It's a one fight, so one off, not
a three or four fight deal like a lot of
people sign with Turkey. Is the one off. We'll see
if it leads to something else Benevitez in in yard.

(19:15):
So I guess the money just wasn't enough. They were
they were close, but it wasn't enough to get Callium
Smith in the ring. That's what Eddie Hearn says, that
they just couldn't quite come to terms financially. And I
don't know if that was gonna be excuse me, a

(19:38):
fight here in the States, or if Sadi had something
to do with that fight too. That's what I'm kind
of thinking that they didn't, just because why would the
money be short, you know, And maybe he's just thinking, well,
I want to get a chance at the at the
lineal and not have to fight Benavidez. I'll get you know,

(20:01):
one of those you know, Beval or maybe that's true,
Beival is gonna fight, you know. I don't know, but
it just it is kind of crazy how Benavidez gets
a fight announced and then we hear you know, Bevil
and better be of now is pushed off postpone pushed off,
not gonna happen at least in twenty twenty five. So

(20:25):
it's just kind of like, well, so the trilogy was
gonna happen, Okay, cool, I get it better be of deserves,
you know, his trilogy, because you know he won the
first one and a lot of people even thought he
won the second one. But either way, it's one one
that's his first lost ever. Cool, that's cool. I understand

(20:47):
why that would happen before the Benevitas fight, but that's
what we're told. That's why the Benevite isn't theval in
Turkey even said, I'm not trying to make that fight
the Benevite's befal because of the trilogy. And that's cool.
I'm cool with that. I get it. But now that's
not happening. So what was the hold up? Or is

(21:08):
it going to be Bivilla and kelling Smith and they're gonna,
you know, take the back door there. I don't know.
It's just kind of okay, I see John in here,
let me grab him in here real quick. All right,
there we go? All right, what's going on? John? How

(21:31):
you doing?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Hey? Chris?

Speaker 1 (21:32):
How are you good man? Really good? How was your
holiday weekend?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Real good, real good? Went down to the Charleston West
Virginia Regatta, which was a long, long tradition and was
on hiatus from two thousand and nine till twenty twenty two,
and they brought it back, and the comeback's been going
pretty well. Originally started in nineteen seventy one. At one time,

(21:58):
I think it was the biggest festival at least in
the outside of the Marty Gras or something and something
something along those lines I wrote when I first came
to West Virginia. But it went through a big fade, unfortunately,
and it was nice to see it back. So I
spent pretty much all four days over the weekend doing

(22:20):
that and that was a good time. How about yourself,
it's going good.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
So you got that back, and you got the backyard
Brawl back here recently, Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
That's right. Yeah, And things up in the Morgantown area
more which they call the North Central region around here
on the whole, that's going well. WVU has had a
few cutbacks, but all schools did, and that area is
growing and doing well. And you know, the Charleston, West
Virginia area more south needs to get some stuff going on.

(22:53):
That's why that's even a big, a bigger issue down
in this part of the state. But that that comeback's
gone well. But yeah, WU has got the return of Rodriguez. Yeah,
thirty if I'm looking forward to that, and got another
good event up there in Clarkspoort, Clarksburg, West Virginia, and
the Italian Fest which is the day before. Okay, that

(23:17):
makes a nice combo within forty miles or so. So
uh that that's that's a real uh, that's a real
good end of the end of something.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I think. Yeah, I had a pretty good fourth Uh.
My mom was in town, so I got to spend
a lot of time with her and family and other
cousins I haven't seen in a while. So yeah, the
weather is really nice. It's been nice and hot up here.
So it's been going good. We'll going really good. My
summer's going good. It is hard to believe though, and

(23:46):
you know in a couple of weeks that the NFL
training camp starts and then college football coming at the
end of August. So just trying to, you know, enjoy
summer for a handful of weeks, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I agree with you. And when my dad was still alive,
we were talking about that how the rhythm had shifted
a little bit, just in the ways you said, baseball
maybe not quite being what it used to be. And
once you got into July and you knew those you
know before you know, by mid month of NFL training

(24:22):
camps were going to start opening up, and you know,
the NFL being so dominant in the sports world, it
kind of just like you said, exactly changed the rhythm
of things in college football starting earlier, things like that.
So I agree with your hundred percent matter of fact
in speaking of that Charleston Star Will Regatta. It does

(24:43):
tie into that theme a bit because in the original incarnation,
which went through two thousand and nine, like I said,
it was Labor Day weekend, and first year they brought
it back was to the July fourth. They were going
to go back to the traditional and then it was
kind of like the talk along the lines like you said,
you know, Labor Day weekends not really what it used

(25:04):
to be in terms of it's more of you know,
some some schools have started and uh, the families that
they still can, they're gonna they're gonna travel. You've always
had that type of thing, but it's just kind of
the rhythms different. So they decided to keep it on
fourth of July rather than go back to Labor Day

(25:25):
those types for those types of reasons, because they one
of the reasons with the decline was again tying with
what you mentioned. It got to where w v U
was always having a game Labor Day weekend.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
To go.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, and and you know, you you have more people
attending the game than live in the city of Charleston,
West Virginia. You know, they got people coming in for regatta.
I mean, it just kind of kind of tells you so,
uh that that was a huge factor.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Nice. Yeah, I'm It's one of those things where I
like to take it in stages, like I'm a huge
college football fan, but I don't give a shit about
it right this second. You know, that's smart, it speaks.
Then I'll start to really build it up. But yeah,
I just kind of like to shut off my brain
with that. I'll keep up with stuff here and there,

(26:18):
and you know, I kind of like to go. The
training camp is not that far out of the city
for the vikings and stuff like that, and they always
scrimmage other teams, so that's actually kind of fun to
go and watch it like a live scrimmage. They don't
normally tackle you to the ground, but you know, if
it's one on one receiver versus cornerback, they're trying to

(26:38):
win that battle, you know what I mean when it's
a different team. So that's always kind of fun. I'll
probably do that during the day or whatever. But so
you know, over the weekend, pretty late weekend, obviously you
just had the I call it the faint fest. Cattrell
and you Bank Junior just I've never seen so many

(26:59):
hijabs in my life. Like you they were both fainting,
but you Bank was just he just had so much
wasteful movement. But it was a horrible fight. Just wasn't
good at all. There's not much to talk about. But
you know, we haven't had you on a little bit.
Is that before we get into Friday and Saturday with

(27:20):
you know, half some interesting matchups. It's a really interesting matchups.
It's nice to see Netflix it back into it too.
We get it, you know, in July, and then we
get it, you know, speaking of Sember get on really quick. Yeah,
it's really huge. But any other items, not necessarily just
from this weekend, but just in the last couple of
weeks that you haven't been able to that you just

(27:41):
got maybe an opinion on or something like that or
anything that uh, you know comes to mind.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, I did make a note because you gave me
the perfect segue too. My general feeling is and yeah,
we haven't got together for a little bit, but but
unfortunately it's we have stuff. But it's also partially you know,
I feel like the sport overalls in a bad spot.
Nothing's really been going on. I mean, when you look

(28:09):
at the amount of fights you have to watch to
even hope to get a good like to you know,
be fortunate to get a good fight, it's it's just
getting to be too much. Like we talk about the
time investment. So in all this time, I can say,
sadly but unexpectedly hasn't been much of note. I mean really,

(28:30):
and this shows you. I mean, this is like the
biggest note. I mean, I think everybody kind of concurred to, like,
I mean, show Field just blowing away Farmer. Yeah, Ko
was impressive, but you know, Farmer, even though could have
gone either way, he did get he still did not
beat Zapeida and he's at an advanced age. But the

(28:51):
thing we can say that I have to agree with
the consensus. Nobody did that to him, and no, and
he gave everybody a tough fight with his difficult style.
You know, he doesn't have any pop, but his style
always difficult, gave everybody a difficult fight. Up to that point,
you know, nothing like that really had happened to him before,

(29:11):
and the way Gofield did it was impressive looking so
in a time where just very little was going on
and you're looking for anything to stand out. I think
most of us in the sport following the sport closely
commentating agree that stood out. And then I'm going to
go way back because we didn't get a chance to

(29:32):
talk about it. We talked since, but we didn't get
a talk kids to talk about that one. And I
think now it's kind it's important because of what's coming
up in a couple of weeks. You know, you had
you had Zoo blowaway Spencer. You know, I, unlike most
really at that point, you know, I'd still, you know,
thought there was something there with Spencer. I thought, you know,

(29:56):
his father training him, wasn't you know, wasn't the answer?
From what I saw, they made noise going into that
fight like it was. He was working with these other
people and then there was his dad in his corner,
and the effort, the effort was dreadful. I mean, that's
what I'm saying like it was just Look, I never
criticized anybody if they decide to retire and they don't

(30:16):
want to fight, the sport's too dangerous. So if Joey
Spencer decides to hang it up and his dad they
decided to hang it up, fine, and they got a payday.
I don't like it as fans what I saw, but
I mean that that was a dreadful effort. So rather
than digressing too far back, though, why does that tie in?
I was a bit surprised. I mean, Zoo now is

(30:37):
a favorite over Fundor in the rematch coming up in
a couple of weeks on the Pacchio Barrios undercard, and
you know, he got blown away by Marsaliev before that.
It just just totally got annihilated a guy who hadn't
really fought anybody and who had been laid off a lot.

(31:00):
So you know, maybe he'll turn out to be more
than we thought, but we certainly didn't think that going
into that fight, and so we're now taking it as
you know, Zoo blows away a totally disinterested looking Spencer
in Australia and now he's a favorite over Fondora. Know,
the first fight. You know, tight he had the you know,

(31:22):
the horrible cut. But I'm like, man, I think we
have to look at you know, that's that Part's not
Zoo's fault. But you know what, Spencer just didn't offer
anything that night. So it's not like it was Zoo
Fundora one, then the Spencer's Spencer Zoo and then we're

(31:44):
going to Zoo Fundora two. It was you know, Fundora
and Spencer and then in between excuse me, Fundora and
Zoo and then yeah, then you know, Zoo getting blown
way and then you know, getting the easy went over Spencer.
So it doesn't mean Zoo couldn't can't win, but that

(32:08):
jumped out. I mean, that's just coming up in a
couple of weeks. But my main take is nothing going on.
You know, we have top rank reach. In the end,
there was like a YouTube, you know, card where they
had Neil Necky headlining. Didn't you know, good opportunity for
him in Jersey solid crowd. He's marketable there, like how

(32:32):
he's looked with shields. But you know, it really wasn't
that good of a performance. The guy was in with
the guy he was in with, not a big effort,
really wasn't engaging. Polish fighter was undefeated but hadn't thought
anybody at all, you know, in that kind of a
stage for him personally in Jersey where he's from headlining.

(33:00):
That was that. Then they had the heavyweight all the
fights didn't you know that one could have been that
the fights just weren't didn't play the fights, a lot
of them didn't play out. And then you had the
the middleweight fight on the undercard where Truck Simpson got decisions.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yah, didn't look it didn't look good.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Now, so you had that fight which had some potential.
That card just didn't that.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
You like having the Jersey theme and local theme New
York area card. You know, you got a lot of
Polish Polish Americans in the.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Area posted that right article about it.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Right that you see, there were local articles. You know,
that's so rare nowadays. That's why you know, of course
Jersey bias being from there and spending you know, half
my time there, but you know, and you see that
much even there anymore. Seeing that reminded you some days
boxing use anything to get like that. But then you know,

(34:06):
like that, going in for a smaller card, but card
just didn't really live up to what I think they
hoped they were going to get out of it. But really,
you know, and that's even relatively speaking to most people's interests,
not a big card, but you know, people people we
you know, we know on there, but just it didn't

(34:27):
work out that good. But that really the general theme.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Really non eff Javes Junior too, which shouldn't be a
big surprise.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
That's right. You know, Jake Paul when he fights, it
gets a lot of publicity. You know, it's hard to
categorize him at this point because post some of that
and you get some pushback, which there are some truth
to that. You know, we're not seeing Paul's pay per
view numbers at this point either, true. You know, we're saying,
you know, he's a bigger which we do kind of
know that he is a bigger attraction than most boxers.

(34:59):
Most he's also reached a point where his numbers aren't
being widely credibly reported anymore either, so you know, these
probably aren't doing all.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
That great yet, especially killing off that viewership he had,
you know, right Netflix, I mean.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Right, which you know you want to build on that.
But then on the other side, of the On the
other side of the coin, there's really no doubt he's drawing.
You know, he's a better draw than almost all boxers
out there now. So you know, it's still the question remains,
where does really the ultimate cash out? And I still

(35:39):
think for boxing sake, I'm in the camp that I've
said it, say it again. Boxing does do better if
this guy gets a cash out in my view, in
a big fight, I mean, if he gets blown away
in two rounds, then hey, everybody wants to see him lose.
All the boxing people, they're actually even they're gonna even
at snickering, they're going to be satisfied. And all the
people that really foolishly believe Paul could like, they're gonna

(36:04):
be watching it. So you know, to me, it's if
Usak gets by Dubois, you know, you put him in
with Usik and say this guy is getting a crack
at the heavyweight cham. I know some people hate it.
Usik has called for it now, not when he's focused
the last couple of weeks, but before that, so he's
saying in himself.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Or it's gonna be more than one fight from him
to no right, you know, Or.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
If Canelo you know, if Canelo gets by Crawford, the
odds much closer than I think all of us expected.
But if he gets by, you know, that's a perfect
cash out for both of them, you know, you know,
so something big to get the use out of Paul
before he goes down. You know, you'll get snickers if

(36:49):
he goes down against somebody, a lesser opponent. But that's
not going to do anything for you know, that's not
going to do anything for boxing, Like while he's here,
I want boxing to get something out of it, so
you know, not that.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Look what boxing got out of McGregor trying to cross over.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
You know, I think, you know, I think that's underrated.
I mean, you know, it's the highest selling pay per view,
you know, because it was a pro fight boxing. You know,
Mayweather pack Mayweather's in both of them. But I thought
that was good to keep boxing.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
My press conference that had millions of views in that
press conference over the time. I mean, that was that
was one of the craziest even though I thought a
lot of it was stupid. It did its job, that's
for sure.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
And I remember, which you just don't see this kind
of thing anymore. The morning of the fight, I decided
I was going to get a new TV for it.
I hadn't gotten one for a while, and I said,
why not. I was in there getting it, and I
remember the specifically there was a bunch of like army

(37:56):
guys who were off duty and you know, they were
at the wall are and they were just talking about it,
and you know, I'm like, man, you know, this just
never never happens. Really, you know, it happened to Meweather
pakiaw but like outside of that, which at that point
hadn't been long ago against a couple of years exactly,
it's just not happening. You know, nobody's talking about So
this is good. You know, I was on that one.

(38:18):
I'm like, hey, you know, and I still think it
was a good thing because you know, PBC did their
thing right after that, or you know, really right had
started it. That was right, real I credit you know,
you know, people knock PBC and but you know, I'm
looking at the last ten years now, twenty fifteen to
twenty twenty five. I think right now the sports and batrazy,

(38:41):
but it really is Jesus. But it's the opposite of
the haters say. If PBC to me didn't do what
they did in like twenty fifteen.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, the sport, the sport would be Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
That's my point.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
That's a good point like that.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, I started thinking about it like that recently, and
I think there's a lot to it like that. If
they wouldn't have done that, where then everybody kind of followed.
It pushed everybody even though they got resistance, and I
think it kind of got them off the game that
they originally wanted to play, and that hurt in the end.
Where we'd be now if they hadn't done that, Yeah,

(39:23):
it'd be it'd be ten, ten, twenty times worse than
it is now, and it's not good.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
That's very true. Yeah, because imagine that because just sparking
all the interest in a variety of time buys, you know,
did something. But also it sparked ESPN's interest, and then
top Rink came in and you know so and all
those executives said that exact thing, like huh. It really
got me thinking like okay, I could, we could, we

(39:48):
could do this deal. And obviously ESPN Plus came along
and that helped top Rank too, because we know that
they have you know, a catalog and.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
When the zone and when the zone got in, and
they were using really Al Hayman's rationale. Yeah, Hayman was
kind of looking at boxing like an undervalued property, and
that's where he got the investors involved, like, look, it's
not united like a UFC, but if we looked at
it that way, it might be an undervalued property that

(40:18):
was straight out that the zones. The zones rationale was
that and then trying to get something big like us
NFL rights springboard.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, that was the thing that they were gonna do.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
But but they were looking at the undervalued property thing
as well as the springboard didn't work out for them,
but and then top rank felt to you know, survival,
they had to follow along. Got the ESPN deal definitely
wouldn't happened otherwise.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, because they were putting on pay per views that
really shouldn't have been pay per view there for a second,
because they didn't have the HBO thing. There was I
remember uh A Veldez and what is his name? It
was a good fight, but it had no business being
on em pay per view. A great fight though, actually
like a fun action fight. But yeah, you're right, they

(41:06):
were kind of stuck because, you know, that's when Bob
was in bad terms of HBO, because you know, it's
good and bad and good and bad. And remember it
took them over to showtime for a couple and then
went back and because that's just what Bob does. But yeah,
that's a good point, I mean it it It put
a lot of investment in the sport. That's her damn sure,
you know exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
And then one thing the other thing there actually is
one other night in worth noting, worth noting, and over
the last few weeks posted you know which mix you'd say, like,
you know, we see we see things the rings putting
out there that are just simply pro promoing cards and
what Turkey al Sheikh's doing. I get that, I get

(41:46):
how ridiculous that is when you see it, but especially
with the you know, with the Foreman theme, and since
the print was gone and he did bring it back.
So I was in Jersey, this was like the week
before fourth of July. I just saw to buy the
special form and print edition. Okay, there were some writers
in there, a couple that you know, I'd like, I

(42:06):
wouldn't have put them in there, but there was some
good writing in there. You know. The rankings back in there.
It wasn't it wasn't all bad. I mean, that's that's
what I'm say. Like there were I kind of almost
wasn't expected. I mean I was expecting it, you know
with the Foreman pictures and stuff, but like, yeah, there,

(42:28):
And I think anybody would agree if you looked inside it,
like you know, at some some of the articles and
some of the stuff, like like there was some legit
stuff you would want back right in there. And you know,
I've always took the position, which is consistent for me
since you know, Oscar first bought it. You know, Golden

(42:48):
Boy was it's better to have it alive than just data.
And you know, the print was dead, so you know,
I'm not saying like prints the dominant medium or something,
but with Boxing's history and everything, it was nice. The
Foreman Special Edition was nice to pick up in print.
There was a few well written articles in there by

(43:10):
some good writers that I was pleasantly surprised. And the ratings,
I always think that's good. Happened that in area transnational
ring if it stays independent the you know, the ratings
because you know, you can't you can't rely on the
alphabet stuff right in terms of any kind of credibility.
So there were some good things in there, but you know,
there there was probably some people they had right in there,

(43:32):
and I'm like, I probably wouldn't have pulled probably wouldn't
have pulled them back, wouldn't have pulled them back in, so,
you know, but not.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Some of the followings. So I do I do see
on the print thing though, you know, because a lot
of people I didn't notice a lot of people were
excited when they were talking about that, you know, in
order it and all that. So I agree, it's it's
better here than not hear if it's on like that.
I have more of an issue not with actual ring
the you know, the issues and all that, but like

(44:07):
just like the post on the Twitter stuff.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Right, they're bad. I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
It's getting really ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
You know, they're ridiculous. They are. And that's like I
don't yeah, I don't know why they're I kind of
don't know why they're using it that way.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I just I was talking about this before you hopped on,
and and they it's one thing to show credit to
fights that you like it. Like they'll say, hey, July
is on fire, right, and then they'll they'll put a
bunch of fights, and that's fine, Like if you want
to do that and just say, hey, everybody's got some
good fights, cool, you know. But then they started putting

(44:42):
it in pictures and putting dates on it. But it
just makes it it's all red, right, and it all
looks like it's ring stuff, right, so you're like, and
then they're not saying it's pay per view, and then
in that post they're saying, hey, this we can buy it.
It's like those aren't your like half of those aren't

(45:04):
your fights, you know. I just it's such a shitty
way to market. I think that I I think, you know, yeah,
it looks like it is.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
They think that they're helping themselves with the ring name
for credibility, but they're doing the opposite, like they're just
cheaping the ring name. Like do your own promo and
then just keep the ring name solid and you can
use it for some things. Like we're saying, like the
logical thing would be get rid of the alphabets. I mean,
if you're if I'm you know, if I'm Turkey Alaschic

(45:35):
and I'm doing it and I'm out in Saudi Arabia,
that's what I'm going to do. I mean, so you.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Can't even be blamed for the ringings because it's already
set up, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Right right, and and the fighters are not. They always say, oh,
the fighters want the alphabet belts until Turkey ala chics
breaking out the check book. Somebody don't care about their
WBC belt, No problem, right, they're going to drop that
for the ring belt, no problem. I mean that's right
in front of his face. You know, I don't that's

(46:06):
a head scratcher to me, like that. I would use
that for that, and then you know, have their sailor
or whatever their promotion is, you can just put that
for like the cornball the ridiculous infomercial ads we're talking about,
put that on them, use that branding.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
On that, you know, and right, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Mean that's that's just what I would do. Like, so,
what I'm saying is like they really haven't gotten enough
right on that. But if you look in the magazine
itself print edition, they do have some of it, right,
and I'm thinking that they might not, Like I'm like, well,
they're they're getting some of it right. But it's just
what you said, like the other half where they're using

(46:46):
the name for these crazy promos and stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah, and they're in they're like ripping Jake Paul's the
ticket stuff sell tickets at this next event that they
got coming up, Like that's not real And if it
is reporting, then you should be reporting on how bad
that sales are going then.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Right if they would have done that seriously, but they don't,
so I agree. Like when when they got called out
on that, I agreed because they weren't saying it about
anybody else's stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Her own stuff, just personally with Paul.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
They just took a shot at Jake Paul, I mean.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
And then there's plenty of things to take a shot
at him for it, but that one isn't you know,
because the hell you got on your roster, you didn't
build anybody up.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
You know, you could just say the fights, this fight
Chavez was terrible and nobody's gonna like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
That's a good point. There's plenty of stuff just to
rip the actual fight.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
You know again that that would be better to do
it that way. Just have your regular if you got
credible boxing writers, have them ripped the fight.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Have them do it, yeah, exactly, have them like professionally
rip it, right, we didn't talk about, and you know,
for good notion, because it was he looked out of
shape and didn't look good. But gerbot gerboat Gilberto Ramirez.
I don't know why I had problems saying that. I

(48:09):
thought he it seems like every fight he looks worse
shape wise. This one, strategically, you could tell he was
kind of saving his gas and then he did pick
it up. And I heard people calling for that against
Jake Paul, Gilberto against Jake Paul, and as like, although,
you know, okay, sure I think he beats him, but

(48:30):
that's the fight I don't think Jake Paul would take
because it's not big enough name to get right, you.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Know, right, it's not a big enough name to take
the loss. I mean, people are gonna have to be
realistic there. They're overviued in the alphabet belt stuff. I mean,
if Jake, you know, really, if Jake Paul makes to
me a career strategic mistake and does that, that's on him.
I think that would be foolish. Like in other words,
if he somehow gets talking into it and thinks I

(48:58):
got to try to pick up an alphabet cruiser bell
that's my cash out. I think that's a bad cash.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Out, Yeah, because you're gonna look like shit doing.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
It, right. They look like you're gonna look like garbage
anyway and lose and nobody's really gonna care.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah, it's gonna be Tommy Fury Part two right exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
So I don't I don't see, but Ramirez, you know
that that was like, look, you know, some people fight
effectively at the older age, but I was thinking about
that with with some of the fights around that time, Like, look,
you know, Dordicos is thirty nine years old. You're really
you really shouldn't be using these older fighters, right unless

(49:37):
they have you have to. I mean, you know, he
wasn't even a legit top ten guy at that point
formally was, but wasn't going into this. So like those
those fights even being made are kind of like misfires
to me. I mean like we're just wasting time. We
are wasting time. I mean, these are not you know,
they're not as likely to be good fights. I mean,

(49:58):
you got a thirty nine year old guy in there. Really,
time wasters is kind of what I call him. And
I like Dordicos, you know, when he had more, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
But he still was laying at a jab hard. I'll
give him that. That's about it. But yeah, Ramirez, like
I said, he just every fight he gets a little
bit more. He just this body doesn't look like he
had a good training camp. Or maybe it's not the
training camp, it's before the training camp, you know. However

(50:29):
it is, his body looks like shit. He just doesn't
look good.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not even saying maybe in this
one Turkey Ala, she didn't try to do it. But
that's one like, especially with the cruiserweight, even though you
need it in the modern era, I can see that
it's just still not a historical division. Really, people generally
don't It doesn't generate a ton of interest. So like,

(50:53):
you know, you gotta just if I'm like Turkey Ash
because he is the one pulling all the strings now
pretty much. Yeah, at least for the moment. Uh yeah,
you just just get get the Ramirez. You know Opataia
thing made, you know, I know they talked about it
a few times and then they want other directions, but
just look, he's got the money again to pull the strings. Now.

(51:14):
Just say hey, guys, like look, you know, if you're
not going to get it on, I'm going in a
different you know, I'm going in a different direction period.
You know, I'm not going to use you. Yeah, he's
got that kind of power at this point. It's not
doesn't mean it's gonna last forever, but that's where we
are right now. So let's you know, just make that
I mean, you know, boxing again. As we said, it's

(51:35):
overall in bad shape. I mean, there's just really not
time to be wasted at this point.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Yeah, and it is. It's frustrating in the sense because
like like this upcoming Saturday, there's good fights on the card, right,
It's just it always goes back to but who in
the hell is going to be watching them? Yeah, you know,
this is the perfect card not to be pay per view,
this one this weekend exactly. And so it actually a writer,

(52:06):
someone that you know has at least does it for
a part time job, didn't even realize that it wasn't
pay per view. Abe on Twitter and a couple other
people were like, oh it is. I thought I thought it.
Because the thing is they with the way they promote it.
It just says to Zone. So for a month it'll

(52:28):
say Zone dizone owned to Zone, and then they'll be
like by the way it's pay per view and you're like,
wait a second, you know, and I know they're giving
you a deal. You know, if you if you buy
both of them, you can combo it and it's only
forty three dollars or something like that each instead of
sixty or whatever. But it's it's not the point of

(52:50):
the money. It could be thirty or it could be eighty.
It's just you know, it goes back to the exposure.
You know. It's it's just or at least have it
available in a variety, Like I don't even know if
this one's available on normal cable or Amazon or whatever.
You know, Like I don't know. It's frustrating because it
is a good card and there's interesting fights. I think

(53:11):
the main event is very closely matched. I think you
can make an argument for both guys. David Roe coming
off his first loss. He's in there with a guy
who can fight a little bit. We're gonna find out
about the guy, you know, So I don't know, on
one hand, he's spending all his money, but you know,
like we've always said, and a lot of people push back,

(53:32):
and that's great for us hardcorees. And we we're watching
the fights. It's not that we're not watching them, but
you know we're all alone. We're going to be in
an echo chamber before you know it, you.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Know, exactly correct, And I checked just before we went
on the zone. I did do just a little checking
to be right up to date. Before the zone. You
go to the app. They want fifty for this you
know this cards even interesting card like we're saying, but
not worth fifty nine to ninety.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
And do they show the double thing? They not exactly either,
and they didn't before either on the back to back days.
So there's no you gotta go and then it'll stay
link in the bio. Was this only fans or is that?
What do you mean? Like you just put the damn
link in the you know you're paying bots anyway to

(54:27):
spread your stuff regardless, it's that frustrates me that they
offer a deal that's not right on your fingertip.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
It's not even easy to get on and like, so
I also then earlier I'm interested, always interested, but felt
like I wanted to be the most current looking at
where where is Netflix like as of today? So I
also checked that out, went right on, so you've got
like Netflix, Yes, a basic plan with ads, you could

(54:56):
be on there for seven ninety nine and then really,
which is a good deal, like six different devices twenty
four to ninety nine is their max no ads, six
different devices. You know, all the stuff, you get, all
the movies you got to up, more NFL coming on
this year, and then you know, we've got Taylor Serrano three,

(55:18):
which we're going to talk about of course, we got
that Friday, and then we got the Canelo Crawford in September. Now, also, Chris,
because you and I are both interested in this, we
talk about it a lot. This is big news for
people who follow this like us. This was about three
weeks ago, three to four weeks ago. It's just by
a little bit, but it is the first time in
history streaming has now passed a broadcast by it just

(55:42):
a bit, okay, yeah, some point. It's been a ways
where I saw that wasn't gonna happen. But let's say
four or five years ago, and I'd said it, and
even the industry was saying it a bit. I thought,
you know, maybe so many streamers were coming up, was
there a chance that maybe cable was going to put
themselves in a value position, maybe revive themselves a little,

(56:05):
but that's not happening. That's done. So then like you
and I have talking, we're right on it and this
still holds true. So you know you've got your your
big two in the stream world are you know, really
are now Netflix and they have a large gap too, right,

(56:25):
so you know, but those deals are you know, you
look at that, see I try to then look at
that as like a consumer, like you know, of any age,
and you're and I'm thinking like, okay, yeah, the Netflix.
You know, you're you're not really feeling a lot of
pain for that. I mean, you've got options. So it
ties into exactly what we're talking about. You know, not

(56:46):
only is like this this ring three card Saturday, not
on a broadcast situation where it's not on pay per view.
It's not like like we're moving now at least with
two cards and Jake Paul did it where you know,
you got this Netflix option where people are going to
see it, right, and it's worth signing up for if

(57:07):
you if you're not signed up, I mean, hey, you know,
I get all this other stuff. It's twenty four get
the ads, the ad package, and you can pause it
if you have a credit card. You can pause it
for like three months.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Oh right, yeah yeah yeah, so like like but again
this matter.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Is like so if if I want to see uh
you know, Taylor Serrano and uh you know Canelo Crawford,
and then I can Paul, you know, I could Paul
what they do? Yeah, see what else they do? So
you know and PBC. Yeah they got an Amazon, but
let's face it, you know it was kind of a
bait and switch everything they almost everything they've run in

(57:45):
pay per view. If they would have just been on Amazon,
they would have also gotten that benefit. They had a
couple of cards, but that's it.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
So they haven't put a dent in it with the
free stuff just yet, right.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Right, And even Espinosa said, you know, they're saying like
they're they're going to do it, but they just feel
like they got to get money from the pay per view.
But you know, like you might keep saying, you know,
this audience is just every time you blow an exposure
opportunity with a pay per view that should be a
different platform. You know, you lose fans. You know, you

(58:18):
lose fans. You lose fans, you lose fans. You know,
you're not building, So there's really is no build up.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yeah, and so it's it's been that way since it
well not since it jump, because the zone at one
point in time was very low, but it jumped really quick,
and it jumped really quick with less free or subscriber
you know product. And we would never say that these cards,

(58:46):
some of them have been very stacked. We've given plenty
of credit. And even this one, if this was a
like Showtime back in the day, would do those quadruple headers,
you know, good for that quadruple header, you know, praising
it up and down.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
You know, That's what I was thinking. That's exactly what
I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Because it is good. Like I'm very into these fights,
you know. But either way, let's start Friday night with
the trilogy. And speaking of John, I went into Netflix
last night just to see and he put it on.
Go on there, boom, right there, Taylor Serrano, just right
off the bat.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
That's what we need, I mean, that is what we reminder.
You know, I'm excited. I've been you know, discouraged with
the sport where it's at, but like I'm excited we
got stuff coming up, but like it's for the stuff,
it's for what we got coming up. And then what
you and I are talking about, like at least with
what we got Friday Night with Netflix with Taylor Surroano three,

(59:43):
and then what we got with Canelo Crawford in September
on Netflix. These to me are the glimmers of hope. Yes, yeah,
these are the glimmers of hope.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Big time, big time. And so yeah, they're doing their
job when it comes to that. And I will say this,
say what you about you want about Jake Paul, but
he as a promoter, he's done a lot more than
you'd expect in a short amount of time, you know
what I mean. Yeah, if ten years he's still gonna
be promoting, I have no clue. But he's doing a

(01:00:13):
pretty damn good job. To parlay this one after you
lost the Canelo fight on Netflix, then to parlay this
that's pretty damn good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
You know, He's done pretty well as a promoter.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yeah, And he's you know, put on a like smaller
cards that some of them are pretty good. And so
I thought he I thought he's done a good job there. Now,
the under card in this one, there's not a lot
of you know, there's not much fifty to fifty obviously,
right sided Yeah, it's more of a yeah, showcase type,

(01:00:48):
you know then and then they're gonna match some of
these up, you know, on the next card or whatever.
But Taylor Serrano Part three, it deserves to be a
main event. And but I am glad, excuse me, I
am glad they put it out a cold feature because
it probably wouldn't have happened on Netflix if they hadn't
had it on the cod feature, right, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Now this is the lesson of this is what should
have been happening. That's the idea we're talking about. You
get fighters who put on a good fight in an
exposure position, and you parlay it to something else. Like
you said, credit to Jake Paul. This is this is
the idea we keep saying you have to get to.
PBC was doing it in their early years, trying, but

(01:01:34):
it couldn't quite stay with the original plan long enough.
That's always kind of been my feeling, just with conditions.
You know, they were trying to not go with the
alphabets too for a year, which was the right move
in my opinion, but then like this, you got this
is what we wanted to see, Like you know, the
Tyson Paul thing didn't work out good except for getting exposure.

(01:01:57):
But then you got this great fight in this rema
between Taylor and Serrano, and then Jake Paul doing the
right thing. You're getting it parlaid into a Netflix main
event where people are interested even dare I say, because
we never have it any more casual viewers.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Yes, yep, and women and men, not just men. So
you know Taylor has got the benefit of the doubt
in both fights. You know, I'd be okay if it
was one one. I think you can make an argument
it should be too oh the opposite way, But I

(01:02:37):
would be okay if it was one one. I do
think Serrano won one of those fights, but you know,
it is what it is. They were really good fights.
She keeps getting. She got another one, which was a
nice payday, and now she's got another one, so in
the end it's still good for But here we are
in the trilogy after as far as you know. When
I go up look on box Wreck, it says Taylor

(01:02:59):
won both of them and now she's the favorite in
the third fight. What are your thoughts here, because one
thing I will say, Taylor the way she has closed,
especially the first fight, but just the way she's closed
some of these fights. It's almost like the last part
of the fight is in the judge's minds. Obviously it's

(01:03:21):
scored round by round, but I will say Taylor did
make it. I think Serrano maybe left the door open
a little bit in some of this to not win cleanly.
Not to say she would have won, but what are
your thoughts heading into this and then beyond it probably
stylistically being another great fight. You know, I don't see

(01:03:45):
how it wouldn't be at least very good or whatever
above average. What's your gut kind of telling you on
this on this trilogy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
My gut's telling me like like like you said, Chris,
I thought Serano won the first two fights. I think
there was a little confusion, especially in the first one
where you had Serrano really about had Taylor out and
then Taylor made this amazing comeback winning rounds and but

(01:04:17):
but you know, in the first half of the fight
it was all Serrano and Serrano almost knocked her out.
And then to me, it's like you said, I do
think there was some psychology involved there, because you know,
my feeling was in the first fight there was there
was no way Taylor won the last round and judges,

(01:04:37):
you know, were gave Taylor my record the last round
and you gave her the fight, and I was just like, nah, no, now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
You know that that was that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
I'm doing that off the top of my head. That
was my recollection of this. The second fight, then I
had a reservation going in even though I thought Serrano
won the first fight, just that you know, she had
been at much lower weights earlier in her career, and
she's moved up very effectively because especially for the women's game,

(01:05:08):
her powers carried and she's got good power, I mean,
and it even has carried into these fights really with Taylor,
even though you know she didn't stop her either time, so.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
We aren't correct by the way. I just checked the cards.
They all went to the tenth round, all went to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Yeah, and I was like not, now, remember yes, the
sweet the sweep to get herself in position, right, yeah,
way to put it, no argument. But again you look
back at the tenth No, not not. And then the
judges all gave her the tenth and I was like, no,
no way that that. So in the second fight, I

(01:05:45):
thought maybe it might be a little bit. I usually
think the weight's overrated, but I think I thought Serena
coming up so far that maybe that five pounds might
make a difference, but it didn't. It didn't. Like I
thought he won the second fight too, So I that
leads me to feeling good about Serrano going into this

(01:06:07):
fight because I don't have that weight concern. She's the
more powerful fighter, she's the younger fighter. You know, she's
really the quicker fighter. I mean Taylor, Katie, Taylor's got
skills and she's tough. I like her, and I'm not saying,
of course these fights have been very competitive, but Taylor
is getting at an advanced age.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Serrano is the favorite, just a slight favorite, but yeah,
it's big. I feel good about her, and it's always
going to be really hard with the two minute rounds.
And I'm not going to predict it, but I was looking,
you know, for the old value flyer bet maybe maybe
of the weekend SaRenna. I think Serrano ko is plus

(01:06:49):
six hundred. Yeah, you know that's that's any kind of
stop it. So I'm not picking a stoppage, but I'm
picking Serrano. I feel if I you know, she still
was able to be effective. It's against Taylor at this
weight and she's younger, she's quicker, she's got more power.
Her problem in the fights has been, I think, right,

(01:07:11):
being the naturally smaller fighter, you know, even though they're
fighting it the same weight. That when when you know,
when she's throwing a lot, going up against somebody really bigger, stronger,
that seems to have moments where it kind of kind
of gases her and takes something out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
That's what I felt, you know, has gone on in
these fights. So that's kind of a factor. But now
I'm thinking when you look at a trilogy, that's where
Taylor's age is going to work against her because even
though she's still stronger, she's going to still have the strength,
She's not as powerful, she's not as quick, you know,
she's at an age disadvantage. This should it's you know, Serrano.

(01:07:50):
There was talk, you know, maybe they'd have a third fight,
you know in Ireland or over in the UK or
something that didn't happen. So Serrano's you know, uh, in
her home country. I think I think she should have
the motivation. I see Taylor already saying, of course, you know,
why would she talk down herself. She's got pride and everything,

(01:08:13):
but like, well, I'm taking this fight when I already
beat her twice and we know what the scorecards were
in the box trick, like you said, But I'm thinking
of myself reading the quotes like you've got a little
more to prove. You've got a little more here to
prove than that, at least to me and a lot
of fans in this in this trilogy. But but she
seems to be taking an approach like, oh, I've won
the first two fights, you know, I didn't really need.

(01:08:34):
This seems to me to be set up pretty good
for Serrano. I mean, not like a setup type thing,
but I mean just all the all the elements seemed
to me to be be set that Serrano is a
good play here. You know, if you look at it
outside of the judges, you can make the case you
already beat her twice, and she's younger, got more power,

(01:08:55):
so she's got the power factor there, which you don't
see in the women's game as much. But Serrano has
it so tough to get a stoppage against somebody as
good as Tailor, you know, in ten two minute rounds.
But I think Serrano might be able to do it.
I'm not going to pick the stoppage, I think that's
less likely. I'll just pick her for the win. But

(01:09:15):
I think that's even a serrano, And I think the
stoppage is a good flyer play. I'm not picking her
by stoppage, but I think he could get worse plus
six hundred plays than that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No. I agree that it could
be and it could be just a swollen up eye
or you know, like you said, it could come in
a lot of different ways, right. I think people the
psychological thing plays into the fight coming up on Friday,
but also, like you said, in the first fight, when

(01:09:48):
the judges and people in general c Taylor that hurt
and then she can get that momentum back, right, I
think that kind of plays into oh, that's a great story,
go ahead and give her this round because damn, that
was awesome. It's kind of like when we see mismatches
on paper and then the person starts doing good in

(01:10:09):
the early rounds and all of a sudden, I don't know,
it could have been a draw. It's like, oh no, no, rounds,
it was too too. But so I think that kind
of plays into it. And obviously she is the more
popular fighter and it was a big crowd in massive
square garden that first time. It was you know, it's

(01:10:30):
it was great to watch. Hopefully we get another one
like that. But also the the flip side of it
psychology wise, is, you know, you tend to get some
judges going huh, like, maybe you know, if Surround's doing good,
maybe they'll give her the benefit of the doubt now
and she is the favorite. And so I've heard some

(01:10:50):
people kind of going with that line too, where they're
and I and I thought there is some truth to that,
but it's at the same time it's like, well it
sure has. We haven't seen any of that through two
fights because Taylor's gotten the benefit of the doubt the
whole time. So I don't know if I'm ready to
go off on that way. You know, I think what

(01:11:12):
you're saying is I felt she at least won one
of them, if not two, or maybe a draw, you know,
one oh one. I'd have been fine with that. But
but the fact that Serrano knows deep down she went
a bunch of rounds, she knows how to do it,
maybe she'll pace herself a little bit better. Because I
agree there has been some of that and maybe it.

(01:11:32):
Maybe Taylor is so tough that you know the effect
she maybe she thought she had her hurt and it
was like, okay, here we go, and then she really
released and got tired off of that that happens. But overall,
I think it is worth a flyer, like you mentioned.
But but I will be going uh Amna Serano by decision,

(01:11:54):
And like I said, the inner card is just like, hey,
we're gonna match some of the these female fighters up
in the in the near future. We signed all these
you know, female fighters, so we're gonna showcase them. And
if you're gonna do that, that does make sense on
a card like this, I will say that. But hopefully

(01:12:18):
you know, because when you look it's like, you know,
Cameron her you know, Jessica is a plus seven twenty right,
A plus four really plus four four hundred is the
lowest underdog out of all of them, right, So you
know you got bomb Gunner, you got Scutiny, you got Marshall,

(01:12:40):
you got care so you got that. The A sides
are like, yeah, these are good fighters.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
They are I was, good fighters, but the chips are bad.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
So I'm just hoping that it's one of those things
where one or two of them just pop stylistically where
you're like, Okay, well, at least that's entertaining. But yeah,
I don't I don't really see an upset in there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
That's a risk because you know Jake Paul and you know,
he's got that guy that does the promotions with him,
who runs it. You know, they did a great thing
where they got you know, Serrano and Taylor that exposure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
People were talking about that fight too, you know, right, right,
But I mean like they shouldn't, right, they should learn.
Like That's what gets me a little nervous about this
undercard is like it's almost like they didn't learn their
own lesson like that that parlayed him into this spot. Like, guys,
you want to do That's what I was thinking. I'm like,
I didn't want to complain because I was so happy
they got Taylor Sanna on Netflix, but like I was

(01:13:41):
kind of like, guys, you know, you're not like following
the lesson that got you here, Like you are like
a really really good matchup that everybody's going to see
leading into Tailor Serrano three and then do the same thing,
like you said, instead of the old that's kind of
the old boxing thing that Frank hasn't been very effective
when you're really looking at it, like we're going to showcase,

(01:14:03):
you know, these people in mismatches and then we'll have
them down the road and that'll be digging. That doesn't
doesn't really work that way. It's more like it works
the way you did it with this, Like you get
a great like think of even when let's go back
thirty years and because you're gonna have Sydney Sweeney doing
it in a movie player soon, Like when Christy Martin
had that fight with Dedre Gogerty out of the Tyson undercard.

(01:14:27):
I mean like then like people were all talking about
it like Tyson, but then like it's a brawl and
you know, like and it leads to Christy Martin being
like her own thing. Yeah, you know you want to
have you know, but you want to try to make
that good fight. It's what you said, Chris, what they
do then they they hope, well, maybe one of them
turns into a good fight and we didn't have to,

(01:14:48):
you know, pay that much. But that's just you know,
that's not planning for success. I mean, like you want
to put some even money odds fight, right leading into
that Tailor Serrano, and they haven't done that here. I mean,
I would have liked to see him do that male
or female. The more I thought about, I thought, well,
it is fair to say, hey, we want to have
the women get some exposure after Tailor and Serrano earned

(01:15:12):
it with how good their flight was. But like, make
it with an even matchup, you know, figure something, I
do it. I mean, it's gonna you know, in that sense,
you could say, hey, it's cost wise going to probably
be cheaper than a male fight you're gonna put together there,
yeah or not? So you know, why not do that?
You know, why not do that here? I'm worried about

(01:15:33):
that being a missed opportunity. I want to enjoy what
we got a good main event on Netflix, but I
like to see these undercard opportunities and these big exposure
events utilized better.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Yeah. The only the only way out of that would be,
you know, after the undercards they say, you know, they say, hey,
coming in November you know on Netflix. Okay, okay, then
you saved it. But you know, do we know that
that's happening? No, we don't know that. So yeah, yeah,
that's that is the only thing, you know, you get

(01:16:07):
some talented, talented fighters, but you know, it feels kind
of like you said that we just signed them up,
we're gonna get them, we're gonna put them out there,
and we're gonna you know, so they're just all under
your banner. But then you're putting them in showcases, especially
all four of them. You know, all four fights are showcases.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
I think sometimes opportunities missed, especially with my feeling that
there's too many weight classes and you didn't see this
forty years ago, even when they didn't pay attention to
as many of the junior classes and stuff, but they
weren't bashful about doing this, Like I think missed opportunities
too are like where they're not creative enough is look,
pay somebody to move up and wait, you know there's

(01:16:47):
fighters good enough to do it. Like in other words,
if that gets you a good matchup, right, pay somebody
to do it, you know. In other words, say well,
we couldn't really get there's nobody really at this way,
and you know, like, well, you know, pay somebody, pay
somebody handsomely to move up and then and where it's
still where it is going to be a close odds fight,

(01:17:09):
even if somebody's moving up and wait and have a
really good matchup. You know, we don't male female, we're
not we're not seeing that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Yeah, I agree, I agree. And like you said, it's
not like they're have a Netflix deal, you know, so
that that'd be a lot different because then at least
you think, okay, well they're gonna they talk about on
the broadcast and hey, in November we had a car
coming up. Then at least you salvage something. But if
you don't, if you don't get much out of it,

(01:17:38):
and you're just hoping something organically happens. You know, organically's great,
but it has to be a you know, closer match.
Let's see, you're the highest I see for Taylor right
now is Caesar's plus one forty three FanDuel has their
plus one twenty DraftKings has plus one forty. So yeah,

(01:18:02):
that's that's gonna be interesting. All right. So we'll move
on to uh, the just own card, the pay per
view card, the main event. You know Berlanga, you know,
he he he was pretty kind of a no show
at times against Canel. A lot of the time against Canelo,

(01:18:25):
but then he did start doing something later in the fight.
Obviously he took the victory lap you know, all online
and stuff like that, and the way he I don't know,
there's something about I don't know. It's kind of strange
because I wouldn't have, like prior to his opponents last fight,

(01:18:45):
I wouldn't have to think much about this fight to
be you know what I mean. I just think that
long jab. Yeah, that's the story right there. That's a
that's a nutshell of the story to who's gonna win
the fight is Chira's long jab. But we saw him
not want to pull the trigger and not you know,
a guy, a guy who ottomus you know, can be

(01:19:07):
a fun fighter. Watch Ken also hold his bunches, but
he's not a power guy. So it's kind of like, man,
are you gonna be worried about Berlanga because you know,
he does have at least some pop at the high level.
But it is kind of interesting how all of a sudden,
I mean, this is about his fifty fifties. Get John

(01:19:27):
and Fan duel right now, minus one twelve apiece, Giraz
plus one oh five. There's another minus one ten apiece,
So I mean this is this is fifty to fifty
and like I said a year ago, I wouldn't even
had to second guess it. But what are you thinking here?
Because both of them have something to prove and going

(01:19:48):
into a closely matched fight, I kind of think that
we could get a good fight here. You know, maybe
that's just me as a boxing fan wanting that or
as a pay per view buyer wanting that, but also
both these guys have a weird style where you're like,

(01:20:09):
this could be a really bad snooze fest too, but
where you at with this one heading.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
In close eyes and you know that that gives you
much better chance for a good fight. So they've done
the right thing. At least they're calling this one the
main event, which is a little surprising with Stevenson's Apaida
on the card. But you know, I was thinking with
that part of it two that you and I kind
of said this, Chris, like this were top rank what

(01:20:36):
they're leading to. Nothing like even though they may have
been right that Berlanga wasn't as talented as they'd hoped,
so they weren't lost interest in them, but you know,
where the sport was, you just didn't have many people
who were drawing numbers on ESPN like he was there
was a value there and it's been proven as years

(01:20:56):
gone by, like, look, this guy's headlining now, it's really
because he got the ESPN exposure and did some number,
so you know, it's not that he's a superstar or something,
and especially the way was that. But but look, the
guy's in the main event in New York. You know
on a pay per view there was there's some value

(01:21:18):
there with people draw ratings like that, and Stevenson did too,
Like you would get get to him in a moment,
but you know, you'd get these students fest when I
and everybody else it would be universal saying, gad, this
fight's boring. I don't want to watch this guy again.
But then you look at his ratings and they were
they were high comp Yeah, it's like, well somebody wants
to see if we keep saying it, but somehow, for

(01:21:38):
whatever reason, we watch them and we say it and
watch them again.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
But in the main event, they built a couple of
guys to beeper Langa that have been fine too, right, right, exactly,
keep them for that reason.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
That reason, right, build somebody else up at the same time. Yeah,
but anyway, so this is a tight one. Yeah, I
was really liking the way the direction was. Sheer As
was was headed, you know, with the impressive KOs of
Ammo Williams and Liam Williams, even though those fighters are limited,
but they you know, top tennish kind of guys at
their best, and he had impressive knockouts. But then you

(01:22:14):
know the Adamas fight, he was dreadful. I thought to me,
that was draw was a robbery. I thought a Damas
got robbed, he clearly wouldn't fight, and you know I
was picking cheer As going in. I was horribly disappointed.
I thought he lost the fight, made all kinds of
excuses after the fight and all this kind of stuff.

(01:22:36):
I mean, the guy was terrible and he didn't deserve
a draw in that fight Adam. I thought that was
a straight out robbery. So I thought Adamas fought well,
clearly when and Cheerras was terrible. So that was a huge,
huge disappointment. You know, now he's going up eight pounds,
you know, like I always say, these are these are
created classes by the alphabets. In my judgment, you really

(01:22:57):
don't need so it shouldn't mean that funchy, tall guy
shouldn't mean much. But he's coming off a bad performance.
So that's the thing. You know, he's but you know,
Berlanga has been mediocre Relli at best. A Yeah, you know,
he has a power here and there, but he hasn't
been near the puncher that we thought. It appeared he

(01:23:19):
was coming up with the lesser opposition that, unfortunately for
him and to some degree the fans, has proven to
be true. Yeah, he can punch, but he's not the
puncher that we thought maybe he was and they were
building him up to be. So that's where we end
up with even money here. And I'm with the odds makers.

(01:23:40):
I'm finding this one real tough to paul. You know,
I don't think this time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
A lot of people go to Berlanga all of a sudden,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
And I'm not quite there yet. I'm still hemming and
hauling myself. But the one thing I'm thinking, you know,
it matters somewhat, not not a ton, but somewhat like
maybe this one's just close enough that, you know, Sheer
has having to travel and Berlanga being in the hometown,
I don't even mean with the judges, just comfort, you know,

(01:24:10):
maybe does that maybe put him over the top. I
don't know if I'm quite there because watching the two
of them, I think sheer As looks to be the
more talented guy, even after the terrible performance against a Damas.
My gut wants to say he's got more talent. And
you know that usual usually, unlike we like to think,

(01:24:32):
most times talent's good. Most times, the talent's gonna win. Well,
you know, the intangibles come in once in a while,
but most times the talent's going to prevail.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
So yeah, compared to how many times we bring up
the intangibles, true.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Right, we bring them up a lot, but most of
the times it's the talent. You know, sometimes the intangible
is going to do it. This could be that type
of fight. That's why I'm looking at one intangible maybe
Berlanga being in the hometown just being comfortable and sheer
As having to t you know, could that be enough
to maybe give Berlang enough momentum to maybe get a

(01:25:07):
decision in this fight.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Possibly fight good out of his hometown or his home
country last time, even though you know it's not that
long of a travel per se, but still, you know, right,
look good, No, it wasn't comfortable, not.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
At all, not at all, and so this one even
just a few days before the fight. I'm not quite
settled on it. I can't quite make up my mind,
but I'm thinking a little bit about that intangible. But
then the what doesn't want to make me go with
it is I think she has has more talent, and
you know, I could I could see thinking, well, maybe

(01:25:46):
that hometown intangible is enough, and I could see shere
as just getting leverage after getting a rhythm after a
few rounds and just catching Berlanga right on the button
with it right, Yeah, and he ends up getting a
spectacular win. And then you know, being you know, being Rocky.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
He definitely wants him to win. He's already clearly said it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Yeah, the ways for him, the way he favors him
is bizarre, It is bizarre, and there's no doubt we
I mean, we do have the video of him doing it,
so it's just it's just a fact. It's strange, but
it's just a fact. So yeah, we we know Turkey
alask wants Shiraz to win, so which which then leads

(01:26:27):
you to believe too. You gotta faith in your own
boxing judgment. And of course we followed as much as anybody,
so we do. But then that leads you to believe,
like well, Turkey Alashik thinks Saras can beat Berlanga. It
doesn't mean he's right, but he believes it because he
likes the guy he wants him to win is the

(01:26:48):
opponent he's selected, so you know, he thinks, you know,
and he so him warns people they think they could
be you know, Sharaz can eat him there, or I
don't think they'd take it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
I'm sure the last thing. They don't want to sign
him to a multi fight deal and lose back to
back or you know, draw and no win.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
You know, yeah, they don't want to be that behind
the guy and then draw and then losing the Berlin Gay.
I mean, then he really is sunk. So I can't
I just haven't quite settled in on I just haven't
quite settled in on this one yet.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
I'm going sure As because I think that Jab, I
think you'll have something to prove, not to say that
he's going to go out there because he had something
to prove in his last fight that was a big
fight by you know, so that I can't really go
on that. Because you had time to be sure, didn't
look like you wanted to prove anything in the last fight. Now,
they both fought this year, so obviously you know, Shiraz

(01:27:46):
had a full fight, whereas it was just a quick one,
but you still had a camp and everything. So they
fought within a month from each other. So I think
that's a positive, especially nowadays, you know, I think that
could be a positive for both where they're both in
great shape and stuff like that, and maybe maybe a
little a little sharper or whatever, not that I think

(01:28:07):
both these guys are shark fighters. I just can't get over.
Blanga's defense is just not good at all. And I
mean even when they show those highlights of him, you know,
not shadow boxing, but shadow defending, like you know, when
he's up against the rope and all that, it just
looks horrible. Not that he'd fight like that, but I

(01:28:27):
just see so many holes in his game beyond the
big punch.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
And you're reminding me that he really, he really hasn't
been good now for the level of opposition he's been
in with.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Yes, like when he had those you know, really mid
and mediocres putting it lightly, when he had those guys,
he would take him out and they even you know,
they kept saying that the Mike Tyson in first round
and he's on he's got a street going, and so
I gave him credit because he would knock those guys out.
But once he got in there with just a just

(01:29:05):
a okay guy, it just he looked bad, you know.
And and then the he really knows showed Canelo till late.
And then also I don't and maybe this is just
me personally skewing my opinion, but he not only did
he celebrate the loss, but the way he's given advice

(01:29:25):
how to beat Canelo John, you know, and it's kind
of like what would you have a you had your chance,
you were in the ring, you know, and there's no
way in hell they want to do Berlanga Canelo too.
Now I say that, you know, but if he came
off and knocked out Chiraz, maybe it would still do numbers,
because the first one did do numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
The boy, you're the boy you're talking about it, Paul, Jake,
Paul might be in our future and yeah, right, hey,
there you go, Jake, Paul bight start looking at you said,
I just might be able to take that a second.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
You know, this guy's got some exposure, but I just
can he deliver the big punch that he needs to
do Berlanga. Maybe, but I do think that Sharraz can
deliver his jab in this particular fight. So I'm going
with him by a decision. But you know, with Berlanga,

(01:30:24):
you do got to watch the power somewhat, not nearly
as much as people think or say, because I think
what you said, sharask he could knock him out, because
it's not like Berlanga has some kind of great chin
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
Either, you know, I could I could see. I could
see Shara knocking him out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
I could too. I could too. I've I've put one
bet down, or actually i haven't. But I'm going to
after the show for Charraz by decision, but I might.
I'm either gonna do it by decision or just straight
up kind of looking at the odds. But it does,

(01:31:06):
it does kind of. Maybe I will take out a
double flyer this week and the one you mentioned and
then this one because I just don't believe in Berlanga whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Now the more the more you're just talking about it,
really you know, I'm still where I am, but but
I'm the more I'm thinking, I don't know, what are
the odds on a on a Shiraz k that I
didn't say question, but since he since it's a close fight,
they're probably all right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
And I just Berlanga is just you know, obviously, you know,
I hate Draft.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
King just got Shiraz by Ko at plus two seventy. Okay,
I wouldn't feel bad. I wouldn't feel bad about taking
a flyer on that one. Yeah, and by just by decision,
Draft Kings has him at plus two hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Oh really by decision huh? Interesting? So yeah, I'm gonna
I'm gonna say by decision just on my prediction on
the show, probably in my in my preview prediction, that'll
probably be it two. But I think the door has
to be open for sure for the stoppage, and I

(01:32:23):
just I might be like over the top biased when
it comes to Berlanga in the negative way. I will
have to admit that maybe, but I just don't see
a damn thing in this guy, and so it's really
hard for me to pick him, even even with Sharaz
coming off such a non competing you know thing. Do

(01:32:43):
you hear? Here's the so by knockout on my bookie
is Sharaz is a plus three twenty for a knockout,
plus one seventy one for decision.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Yeah, I mean that that's plus three twenty for a knockout.
That's a pretty good price to me for a guy
that that guy that is a puncher.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Him as a plus one. They have Berlanga plus one
oh one. So it's basically fifty to fifty huh. Interesting.
And then just like we were saying before on my
Bucky Serrano by KOs plus five ten.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Yeahraft DraftKings, I'll see that. Last I checked, they had
her at plus six hundred, which.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
I was higher.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Yeah, I like for a flyer. But yeah, but yeah,
if we're shopping around, can help you see if they
still have.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
You might as well see where it's at. See if
it's you're.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Still plus like still plus six hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
There you go, there you be. Yeah. I just I'm
just down on Berlanga and I and like I said,
I could be a little biased just because of all
this aftermath stuff. I'm not a big When you show
a non effort and then you act like you put
in an effort, I hate that, and so I do
gotta admit that I am a little biased with that.

(01:34:01):
So I could be going over the top. But I've
just never seen a thing in Berlanga beyond i'd call
it pop some power, I wouldn't call it the knockout
stuff he was doing, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
No, some he's got right, he he's shown he does
have some pop, but not some kind of like one punch.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
And the delivery system is real shaky, very shaky.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
That's what I always thought. I think that's one of
the most underrated things in boxing, right, Yes, delivery system.
I always look for pop first and the delivery system
when guys are coming up, and I agree with you,
delivery systems poor.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
And beyond that ship the chin issue that Wilder has
the deliver you know, he doesn't have his delivery system anymore, right,
he just does. He just can't. He can't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
It's just not That's what I saw in his last
few fights with Maybe he shouldn't be back, is right.
He doesn't even have the delivery system for the right
hand anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Yep. And when that's when that's certain, you know, then
you get exposed, you know, like he has. So all right,
so let's go to uh And as far as I know,
it's a twenty twenty ring but we've heard eighteen by eighteen,
you know, he's put up the goofy stuff that the
ring is gonna shrink as we fight, which is obviously

(01:35:21):
it's not gonna happen. I guess it's twenty by twenty.
That's the last thing I've heard, because Stevenson and other
fighters are like, that's not what we're agreed upon. Now
you're just gonna switch the damn ring, you know. I uh,
so ze Pata right, Can he you know, apply that pressure?

(01:35:42):
Can he get close to him? Or? Is Stevenson's jab
movement defense and you know, like a neutralizer, you know,
not always great defense or pretty, but he neutralizes no
matter how you look.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
I think I actually think that's the more I thought
about this fight. And you look at the odds and
see it's a big favor. But I think what you're
saying right there, Chris, I jumped in because I think
that's the key is that we have to look at it.
I believe in compu box numbers, Stevenson gets hit less
than anybody in boxing, so we know by CompuBox paid

(01:36:19):
is thrown at a volume like which is unheard of,
frankly for even a lightweight like he's he's throwing at
a volume like flyweights, which and you know he has
some pop. He didn't end up being the kind of
power they were building him up with early and when
he was against lesser opposition, which happens a lot, but
you haven't seen it as much as he stepped up.
But you know, I think we've got to look at

(01:36:42):
it like, like, you know, Stevenson, he hasn't been getting
hit yet, so for really to me, for ze Pay
to have a chance. You know, obviously he's going to
be trying to do the high volume. It's got to
be he probably won't be layding that much, but that
he does move his hands a lot, and he keeps
moving him and Stevenson's just not throwing back enough and

(01:37:05):
then he steals a decision. I mean, that's the path
the victory be a controversial type thing. So Stevenson, the
problem for me always is is you know what offense
is he's going to bring. You know, we agree he's
one of the rare exceptions that he punches better to
the body than he does the head, and you really
don't expect that guy that's a defensive boxer like him,

(01:37:27):
But that's what we've seen. So I think a big
key that would open this up for Stevenson for me
would be, is he going to be himself but against
a guy on the level of Zapaida, which which frankly,
Stevenson's level of opposition hasn't overall the neck great really
really really look at it. You know, there's been some

(01:37:49):
guys there, but you know, he fought Valdez, he fought Herring.
But you know, it's it's not like a murder. It's
not like a murderer's row. So you know, if you're
gonna say the paida is the toughest guy he's fought
so far, I'm not going to argue with that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
Yeah, I wouldn't. Not, I wouldn't. There's not a big
debate on that, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
But you know, he's he's a minus one thousand favorite
on DraftKings. But but what I'm getting to is, if
Stevenson brings enough offense here, like if he's not afraid
to work the body some against the paida with with
what else he's gonna do, I think it'll be enough
with his defense that he'll neutralize, as you said, paid enough,

(01:38:29):
especially because the paida had a surprisingly amount of trouble
with Farmer, which none of us were expecting, including the
odds makers. So and then that's not aging that well with.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
What just yeah, just did the fine prior to that,
Hughes in Cabrera, which you could say they can box
on the outside a little bit, especially Cabrera, he took,
he tore them up, but then had two really close
fights in a row against the farm.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
You know, right. So I think as all as Stevenson
brings enough offense, which to me is does he go
to the body at least some at least some because
he can hurt you there. I haven't seen him do
that a lot against the better opposition he has, for
I think that would be a huge step forward. If
he's doing his neutralizing, you know, and throwing headshots, but
he works the body some against the paida I think

(01:39:21):
then his offense will be enough where he can get
a decision. But I do see a scenario for Cebeta,
even though he's a big underdog that if he's if
he's moving his hands, which he always does based on
his punch output. And I'm already presuming with Stevenson being
the best defensive fighter in boxing statistically, he's not going

(01:39:42):
to land them. But Stevens is not doing anything back
and Zaid is moving forward. Like I've said, I think
for the sport of boxing, you do have to give
Zepaida rounds there because we have you know, I feel
like that's why you have effective aggression. People got to
make the f Now. I know the argument back as well.
If Stevens is making a miss and Paid is moving

(01:40:05):
forward and throwing a lot, well that's not effective. But
but on the contrary, Stevens is not doing anything so
you know, offensively, So like I'm still gonna give the
guy throwing punch at least throwing punches around. I you know,
if it's that kind of an ugly fight like that
where Paid is throwing a ton not landing, but Stevens

(01:40:25):
is not doing anything, which which we've seen him do
in some bad performances, there would be there is a
path for the upset for Paid. You know, I'm gonna
stick with Stevenson that he uses this as a showcase
and brings some offense and then gets it. This utralizes
him and then gets a decision. That's what I'm gonna

(01:40:48):
go with. But I can't say this is one where
I don't see a path at all for a paida.
I do see one path where where he's not landing
but throwing a ton and and Stevenson is doing nothing
offensively and he steals around, so to speak, and ends
up getting a controversial decision.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Well, we know Turkey doesn't like the cat and mouse
you know scenario. So yeah, he's been saying that, like,
so yeah, I'm with you. I think Stevenson, like I said,
just the neutralize the neutralizer. I think he'll I think
he'll get by this one if Farmer can do enough
in you know twenty two rounds where there really wasn't

(01:41:29):
much separation at all, which surprised the second one too.
You know, I think Stevenson will, we'll get it done.
So you have David Roll coming off in a loss,
a pretty good performance. We were always wondering, you know,
like there was that gap where it was getting tough,

(01:41:50):
like Shishkin and some other fighters that they tried to
make and he just couldn't make the fight. They went
other ways to make more money, or maybe they'd be
in a certain sanctioning belt where they just hold whole
position and try to get a belt or whatever. Either way,
he was just green, you know, he was as far
as taking out David Benavitez anyway, and we are always

(01:42:13):
kind of wondering, like, huh, you know, it's it's I
wish he could have got one or two real in
between fights. He got the rounds, but the in between fights,
you know, I think the last one he got did
actually help him as probably his best uh well, his
best opponent, but also he had some issues in it,

(01:42:33):
so it actually, you know, it kind of spawned a
pretty good performance. I thought it was a fun fight
to watch. But is this guy he's facing, who you know,
isn't that well known, doesn't have a large pro resume.
Is David Morrell gonna pick a you know, pick up
where he left off and climb back up, and hey,

(01:42:55):
I lost to Benavidez? Or is he in a dangerous fight?
Because that you know people that I I definitely uh
trust when it comes to boxing, especially someone from Canada.
He's like, this is a real fight. This is gonna
be a tough fight. It's gonna you know, both of
them power. How do you see this one playing out?
Because his opponent, not that he's unknown, there's there's film

(01:43:17):
of him, but he just you know, he hasn't fought
someone on that level.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
You know, yeah, this Katayev. You know, he has a
high KO percentage, but he hasn't fought anybody. So that's
the mystery here. I think the risk here in handicapped.
Morell is a solid favorite. I liked his performance against Benavidez.
I thought he showed some aggression and toughness in the fight.
But I was thinking of, you know, great broadcaster Larry Merchant.

(01:43:47):
One of his old things that i'd heard him say
over the decades, he was always careful putting too much
stock in a guy after a good loss. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think that's almost what people are sensing with this one.
And that's just where I worry a little bit of
Morell is, Like, you know, he didn't win against Benavidez.

(01:44:10):
He wasn't that close on the scorecards. Now we know
Benavitez is real tough, and I'm with you. I like
the performance, but I was thinking a little bit of
those Larry Merchant words like.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
And then plus the fight before it, where he looked,
you know, like it could be could fine tune some
things right.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Like where if this where there could be a combination
of factors here. This is like I was just talking
in the other fight, we want close ons fights and
the Stevenson's paida is not that close on paper, Nora
is Morell and Katsayev. But I do you do see
kind of some paths, and like in this one, it's like, right,
if Morell were putting too much stock in a quote

(01:44:49):
unquote good loss where he wasn't he did it. I
thought he was starting to even hurt Benavidez in a
couple of points, but he wasn't that close on the
cards and he lost.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
It's true, it wasn't a fifty to fifty who's gonna
win the last round type thing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Right, Like if like if we're giving him a little
too much, maybe maybe we've given him too much credit
for that because we respect Benevidez. And then this Katsayev
who has the high KO percentage. It turns out he's
for real and just hasn't fought anybody yet. Yeah, that
could be a bad combo for Morell because he's coming
off a tough fight too. Yeah, so that's one too

(01:45:27):
where I do see one path, Like you know, you
never know with the boxer when they take damage in
a tough fight, it still was a loss. And then
all of a sudden, if Kotsayev this Ko percentage is
for real, then you can get a shocker. But if
Morell if his performance in that loss, which I did
like myself as you did, like, if it really was

(01:45:50):
for real, so to speak, as he just lost to
a really good guy in Benavidez, and this Katsayev hasn't
fought anybody, then it could be Burrell blows him away.
You know, Yev is just a fraud who hasn't fought
anybody in Morell, you know, only picked up a loss
because he was in with somebody as good as Benavidez.
Then Ka is going to be in trouble and Morell

(01:46:12):
could be right back on track. I mean, I would
think that's the more likely scenario here, and then Morell
we'll take this guy out. But there is that one
scenario that interests me that you have to watch for,
where if we're giving Morell a little too much credit
and a loss and he took some damage, and then
this Katsayev the power for real and he just hasn't

(01:46:35):
gotten to show it against the higher opposition.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
Yeah, Ian Morell does fall in love with like pot
shots and big shots. You know, like he did the
fight before, he wasn't using the game plan that well.
When he was doing it, he was winning the realm clearly,
but it seems like he kind of falls in love
with one shot at a time, and so he could
get a little you know, he loves to get a

(01:47:01):
little flashy in there too, so he could get a
little flashy, could get a little one punch at the
time and get caught. So I kind of see that
scenario not playing out. But like you said, the path
of victory, I think that would be the path of victory.
And yeah, I've watched this one of his fights, and
I've watched some other parts of fights, But you know,

(01:47:22):
how much does that really play into when you know
it's competition level, and you know, somebody could show like
a really great jab and they are body punching and whatever,
and I get more out of that than I do someone,
you know, stopping somebody that's not really much to look into.

(01:47:44):
But I'm gonna say, David Merrewe, I don't know if
he'll stop him though, you know, I am kind of
in between on that. He generally goes for it, that's
for sure. But I'm really interesting to see because sometimes
you know, you know how they say when you win
your first belt, you know, I never believe like the
thirty or forty percent that you become that much better

(01:48:04):
as a But I think there is something about accomplishing
something and having the confidence and all that. But you
can also do on the flip side where you're like,
all right, I made it, you know, and then it's like,
all right, well you're gonna keep it proving, you know,
because you know you haven't made it all the way.
So and we could say the same thing. This obviously

(01:48:25):
Morel's flashy or whatever, but you know, for a while,
until his last two fights, we were wondering too because
he just hadn't fought you know, the talent. So but
but I'd still say just because he went what he had,
he was in there with some durable guys, uh to
go those rounds, you know, where is this guy? Not
as much? So I'm gonna go Daved Morell. Not sure

(01:48:47):
about the ending, you know, I'm not sure if it's
gonna be decision or a knockout. And then another closely, well,
this is the main event in the In this other fight,
Mattias returns against Playo. I mean it is, you know,
it's neck and neck on the on the I'm on
pro boxing odds right now, and it's neck and neck.

(01:49:11):
It's it's it's anybody's matchup. Play you is like you
know on FanDuel a plus one O eight A minus
one oh five plus one hundred plus one ten. You
know the old styles Night fights in this type of fight,
and Mattias when he gets going and when he can

(01:49:32):
work you down and wear you out and just beat
you up, it's gonna be a long, long day because
he can take shots. But we have seen styles that
give him some issues. How do you see uh this
one playing out?

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
I think for me, this one comes down to Mattias's
age here he's thirty three, but you know, for one
hundred and forty pound guy that fights like he does,
I've I've said this before. I've been surprised he's even
been able to carry it as long as he has.
Now he picked up the loss of Parow. I do
think that had something to do with that, but he

(01:50:06):
was able to respond with a couple more KOs after that,
So I think it's for me it's if Matthias can
bring I don't think he's going to bring it, be
able to bring it like he could a few years ago.
But I think if he brings seventy five percent of that,
if he can still bring seventy five percent of that

(01:50:28):
against Pueo, I think he's going to beat him because
I think Peo has been getting by. You know, you're
fortunate to get that Russell decision. He doesn't do a
lot in there. He's got no pop. You know, box
boxes pretty well, but you know does to me not
a guy that that that has a work the work

(01:50:49):
rate he really should in there in a lot of
these fights, and uh, I think so. So if Matthaas
is his aggressive self throwing him at if age hasn't
caught up with him too much, uh, he may not
be able to stop these guys stop him like he's
got the Ko percentage when he's always winning, he's always

(01:51:09):
stopping people.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
That's oh, but he's got.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
He's got one hundred right on the winds. I could
see this one going the distance despite that. But if
Matteas is like a good percentage of what he's been
I think he at least gets a decision here. I
just don't. I don't think Poeo does enough for me.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Yeah, because Playo will como punch from time to time,
but uh, there's not a lot to it. He's got
a good jab and whatnot, but yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if his defense will hold up enough
to where, like you said, if he does start to
get hit with really heavy shots, once you're in the
cycle with him, you know, you gotta wait till the
lungs is done. You're just gonna spin. Once you're in

(01:51:56):
the spin cycle with Mattias, it's tough to get out
of it. Not to say that I think he'll sit
there and stand and trade with him. But I'm really
in between on this one. I'm slightly leaning leaning uh Mattias,
but I don't know. They're just he does kind of
look worn out, and but then again he's not Mano

(01:52:20):
just doesn't have a lot of powers yet.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
What that's the thing, if, if if Mathias can just
be close to what he's been, po doesn't have enough
power to hold him off because even in you know,
Matthias's first loss, which then he avenged later on, Yeah,
wasn't normally a puncher, but but it was a strange

(01:52:46):
give him all the credit in the world. That first
fight they had, he sat down and he was stinging
this like that was kind of the difference in the
fight was that, you know, he was like, man, you know,
I know, I got to hold this dude off. Yeah,
he would just as we know, he would just steamroll.
I mean he would just steamrolling and just bludget it
was budgeting people, but he was he was getting stung,

(01:53:06):
he was getting strong, and you know, Poo has some
pop you know, yeah, so but you know, then you
got but then you got Plato doesn't have any like
so if Matthaas can bring it close to where he was,
I don't see where Proo's got, you know, anything to
hold him off with or discourage him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Yeah, I'm stuck on this one. It's literally like a
flip of the coin. But right now, early in the week, Uh,
I am gonna go Matthias too. Just I don't know.
I'm just hoping for a good fight. And you know,
the odds are close, like we said, and usually for
you know, Payo. I don't know. I can see why

(01:53:54):
people thought he won that Russell fight, but and that
was Russell, like go a long. I'm pretty sure he
had a long you know, he's outside of the ring
for quite a while because of the family stuff. So
I'd like to see that fight again, Actually I would.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
That's that's really what I wanted to see that one again.
I've been thinking that him, like, let's let's that's one.
Sometimes there's one I want to see again. That that's one,
and it's probably past the cell by date now, But
just because of the first result being so bizarre, there's
there's some some parts of me and I've heard other
people say it too, like you got to see like

(01:54:35):
t O and Kem boos one more.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
Time, Like what the hell, what the hell happened?

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
What was that about? You know, can it just be
like reverse dramatically? So we have to think that was
a total fluke, you know. I mean it's it's probably
past the cell by date now, but but but you
know that that's I know some other people that felt
the same way too. That was another one, and I'm
with you, like the Russell Player is another one of
those for me, like I'd like to see that one again.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
I just want to Rustle to fight twice in the year.
That's the you know, I want him to fight again.
He better get a fight here soon, because he's just
like this close to really breaking out as a damn
good fighter. You know, he's how aggressive he is and
but he has skill, like he's very fundamental and but
he's trying to brawl with you, but he's doing it

(01:55:27):
with short, tight punches, and I just love his style lot.
I just hope he gets back in the ring. Supposedly
he is going to get in there, but but you know,
I just hope it doesn't turn into his brother, because
his brother wants a year you know type thing. He's
he hasn't foughten like three a half years. He's coming back.
He's coming him coming back. So yeah, that about wraps

(01:55:54):
it up. Oh you know what real quick the Devin
Haney Brian Norman Junior. What says you about that fight, sir?

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
I think that, you know, Hani having the look of
maybe being damaged goods after the Garcia fight, which hey,
Garcia test and positive for PDS. You know, I'm not
blaming Haney for that one, right, but still we've got
to go on, and we got to go on what
we see. You know, Norman's showing offense. Now he was
a little bit inconsistent earlier in his career, but he

(01:56:26):
looks like he's gotten together now and the offense is there,
you know, not just because I mean that was a mismatch.
I did see that, you know, that Jin Sasaki fight.
I mean I thought it was a dreadful mismatch. But
but Norman took care of business. He did his job.
So and I'm not saying, you know, Devin Haney obviously
is not Jin Sasaki, but I think Norman's got too

(01:56:47):
much offense and he has skill as well, So this,
to me is not a good fight for Hani. I'm
feeling pretty good about making that call right off the bat,
even though you know, of course Hane' is a top fighter,
but I just don't think he has the offense to
compete with Norman. It's not and it's not that he
does nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Still is coming out more with Norman the game, playing
strategically exactly together. He's a little bit better than I thought, actually.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
Right right, well, and he showed that some early you
know when right he was with PBC initially, Yeah, I
think he started fighting with PBC, didn't he before he
was with top rank go I think going way back.
But like, but you're you're kind of I remember you
were kind of like get excited about him at first
against the lesser opposition. Then he kind of like we

(01:57:33):
didn't lose, but he just wasn't looking that good and
topped off the radar, and then top rank picked him up.
And even then it wasn't like immediate, but then, you know,
but then it did look like that, like it looked
like he was getting it back together, like it just
it just started like then, oh no, this is what
we thought we might have been seeing early on, and

(01:57:54):
now he seems to be there because you know, it's
not like the guy doesn't have skills, but the guys
got offense. He's got pop. So like that's a bad
combo for for Devin Haney because it's not going to
be like it's some crude punch or chasing him around.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Gonna be able to stick a jab or something. This
is going to be a dude bringing offense who's got
some skills. I don't I don't think with you know,
the gun shy categorization with Haney probably is fair at
this point.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
With you know what, yeah, it's it's to TBA, you know, right,
ye see it. You know, so she was a guy
that can punch coming off, you know, some of these
punch as he's landed, you know, right, I.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
Feel I think Norman's a good play. Norman's a good
play in this one.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
Yeah, because he's not gonna be swinging for the fences.
I mean, I hope not.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
These are good matchups, but like, but in the sense
they're not, they're still not good pay per view matchups.
It's just worth mentioning because it's us like hardcore boxing fans, right,
we're discussing it, but it's it's still where you're sinking
in terms of the build and that's what Turkey Alashic,
except for Canelo crawl Ford has gotten like he's gotten

(01:59:02):
it there. But like you said, I agree, Like this
would be a perfect card this weekend, this ring card,
you know, headlighted by Berlanga and Sharons, This would be
a perfect one to be on a Netflix or you know,
Amazon or ESPN wherever they're going to pick more people,
more people. But instead you're going to pay review and
it's just not going to it's just not going to

(01:59:22):
get the viewership.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
I guess he's just allergic to time buys or something.
I don't know, but it's right there sitting for him
and in a in a in the time when people
want content, you know, if you're going to pay them
to put on content, I just don't. I think you
can find a home for it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:42):
But that's a good point. With the money he's putting
out anyway, and with the Saudi resources he signs the money,
do at least a time by, do at least do
a time Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
Like say whatever you want, but hey, the UFC start
with a time buy, PBC start with a time by.
They ended up you know, the Fox still in South sure,
but they ended up getting the deal off of it.
So it's like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
And Dana and Dana White, which I think was the truth,
they were about done, Yes, you're ready to put The
Ultimate Fighter, Yeah, Mike, which that had a high access
and people my son and I watched them all the
first first season and it parlayed and then they ended
up with like when you had the Griffin Bonner, Yeah,

(02:00:26):
like they had on Regular Like theudn't parlayed into like
regular TV if I recall, So, like, yeah, that's like,
you know, that's how you get things.

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
Going yep, exactly, and then you know, just to kind
of talk what you're talking about with that card in
November twenty second. The card itself once again, it's interesting,
there's a good fights on it. I like it. However,
you know it is the however though, because uh, you know,
Bena Vitez has got to keep his career going, right,

(02:00:59):
So I get that part. And he did try to
first make the Calliam Smith and Eddie Hurn came out
and said we're in negotiations, then came out and said
they didn't get there in the money. And I don't
know if that was going to be My guess is
it was gonna be off of It wasn't gonna be
a Saudi card because if it just came down to money,
I think that they'd take care of that. But then

(02:01:20):
I thought Kelly Smith was gonna get the Yard fight,
you know, instead of the Benavide's like, I'm gonna wait
my time and see if i can get the lineal
and then I'll I'll think it's worth losing or whatever.
But you know, Yard's a fine opponent. But as a
pay per view main event, you know, you start to
get like, eh, but I am glad that he's at least,

(02:01:43):
you know, fighting again this year, and he's obviously trying
to make the fights. But however, we were told, John,
we were told that the Benavidez Bevulf fight can't happen
because of the trilogy, right, And that's fair because better
be of you know, I get it. You know, most
a lot of people think he won both those fights,
so yeah, he should get first DIBs at his loss.

(02:02:06):
I'm not hating on that. But then all of a sudden,
it's not happening.

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
Now yet better and Better Bv's out there openly saying
the guy will fight me exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:02:16):
So it's like and speaking openly, Turkey openly said I'm
not gonna bit on Bena Vida's and Bivel because I'm
gonna make the trilogy. Okay, well cool. So then literally
a day later, John, they announced the Bena Vedas fight. Boom,
we got news that that fight's not happening. It's like,
what the hell. But I do kind of like the

(02:02:38):
one off with the Saudi. So you're not signing three
or four fights, so who knows what's gonna happen, but
you are, you are betting the knee a little bit,
you know, so you're like, hey, I'm willing to do this,
but I just want to make sure I'm not gonna
fight in Alcatraz, you know what I mean, because that's
he was trying to get him a fight al Luckily
that went out the window. But so, I don't know,

(02:03:01):
it's just it's it's strange. But hopefully him fighting Insadi,
him showing loyalty here or whatever you want to say.
Hopefully that gets him a big fight and ship. Okay,
if Bival doesn't want to fight, then make better b
Ivan Benavenez. Who the hell wouldn't watch that fight, you know,
a brawl. So and most people don't think that we

(02:03:23):
already know what happened, so we don't even need a trilogy.
A lot of people don't think we need a trilogy.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
In that fight, you know, I just saw I did
think myself Better be I have won both the fight,
So you know, I feel frustrated for Better Beef. As
I said before, I'm not crazy about Bivol style, and
you know, in some sense, I actually feel with him.
I feel the guy gets a little more credit than
he deserves. Sure entertained, you know, he was fortunate to

(02:03:51):
get this decision in the better be of rematch, and.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
A lot of it comes off that Canela win, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (02:03:58):
Right, you know ko percentage is low. You know, you
know how he had how many fights in a row
without a stopic you know at the high right anyway,
But there's some talk that I agree if I'm Turkey,
I'm not worried about this, Like supposedly they're gonna make
the fight in Rush. You just reminded me that I
did read this right, fight in Russia on their own

(02:04:22):
with Russian interest something like that's not gonna happen. That's
not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (02:04:25):
Like this's okay to go, you know with the Russian
that's funny. It turned around pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
But I'm thinking, like with what crowd like it just
doesn't draw. It's not going to draw over there like
you know it does another place.

Speaker 1 (02:04:39):
It's just not. So they got their hands full over
there anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:04:42):
Right right, don't go on. I don't see it. I
don't see yeah, I hear that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
Any other items that you want to talk about, or
we pretty much, uh pretty much get to everything, John.

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
I think we we pretty much got it all. We
just don't need to talk about it tonight, but we do.
You know, we are coming up on you know, the
heavyweight championship Dubois Ustik, which is too which is a
good fight.

Speaker 1 (02:05:06):
So yes, I agree.

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
Again, we wish it would get the proper exposure, but
it is a good fight. And uh, you know, Usik's
probably a bigger favorite than I would have expected in
the rematch. Not saying he's not gonna win it, but right, yeah,
I do think it's a good fight.

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
Do you too? And the fact that Usik's still hanging
around giving us fights that just it's like thanks, man,
appreciate that, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:05:32):
I mean, it's not like he's not giving a good fight, right,
So I am getting for where I'm like some people
like I'd like to like if he gets by this,
I'd like to see him get a good cash out
with like Jake Paul. I mean, see, I think that
damn sure.

Speaker 1 (02:05:45):
Don't want to see the fiery fight. We already know
what happened, right.

Speaker 2 (02:05:47):
We already know what happens. I mean, you let who sick,
you know, nearing forty years old, let it. Let him
get the easy payday with Jake Paul. Bads will be
happy seeing him get knocked out.

Speaker 1 (02:05:58):
And if anybody in boxing earned this thing, you know,
and you know he's gonna have to go on who
you know, Jake Paul's home turf to where that Yeah,
a home turf guy, Like, no problem, I'll come to you.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
Yeah, it's a good it's actually kind of a good finish, exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
I'd be I'd be just fine with that. And Usa,
he's a funny guy too. He says a bunch of
funny stuff. He's lighthearted.

Speaker 2 (02:06:21):
He's might not be a bad promote. Might not be
a bad promotion.

Speaker 1 (02:06:26):
Oh yeah, exactly, Yeah, because Usik has a way of
making you laugh. Uh, it's more on the low, it's
more goofy, But it might be a really good promotion.
All Right, that's a good call. That's a really good call.
I would love it. I would love if Hoosa got that.
Of course, he has some business before him and he's
got to watch out for the body punches. But I think,

(02:06:46):
you know, yeah, well we'll definitely talk about that in
the near future. But I appreciate you stopping on and uh,
you know, it's nice to uh catch back up with
you man, and you know, we'll hopefully we'll talk next week.

Speaker 2 (02:06:59):
Yeah, all right, thanks Crape being with you. Zoey's all right,
take it easy, take care, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
So a little bit, let's see a little bit more
news wise. What what what are we going to talk
about here? I had a couple of things here. Oh,
you know, Jake Paul getting ranked and I told you

(02:07:28):
that was gonna happen. You know, I told you that
was gonna happen. The w B O was talking about
doing it. W b A did it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:36):
Then they.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
They're like, oh, wait, you're complaining about it. Hang on,
let me let me redo that. So they they ended
up saying that they're gonna they're gonna think it over,
you know what I mean, They're gonna think it over.
And they ended up, you know, not well I shouldn't
say they did. They ended up not doing it, but

(02:07:59):
they are going to, you know, they're gonna discuss it
and make sure they made the proper thing. And honestly,
like these sanctioning belts in rankings and all that, so
much of them, not all, but so much of them
are jokes anyway. So like, in the end, would it

(02:08:24):
be the worst thing if it could just to make
a fight happen now, the fight with Gilberto with that,
is that something he's eyeing, you know, Like I said,
I don't think so, you know, I don't think he's
eyeing that fight at all because I just think it's
way too much of a risk. But you know, whether

(02:08:47):
they freaking you know, whether they rank him or not,
I could care less. I'll be honest with you, I
really don't care if he's ranked or not. To me,
it just it doesn't It doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter.
But you know, I get it. People get pissed off

(02:09:09):
and they just don't like Jake Paul And you know,
I'm not saying he's the best thing that's happened to
the sport, you know, or something like that. But I
also I just don't think it's as bad as people
are talking about. But this is what Turkey tweeted not
all that long ago. I will be very upset if
Berlanga and Zippata knock out Sharaz and Shakur. We have

(02:09:33):
big plans for Sharaz and Shakur and the result would
be a complete disaster. So and right now, I see
Norman's right around like a plus one ten, plus one
twelve plus plus something against Devin Haney. I really like that.

(02:09:54):
But he did get ranked anyway, fourteenth. Jake Paul got
the fourteenth ranking, and then they said, hang on, maybe
we didn't mean that. I did see a headline on
East Side Boxing Boxing twenty four to seven saying a
massive ninety four thousand fans expected for Usik and du

(02:10:17):
Bois rematch at Wenley Stadium, So that's always good. I
saw Jerrell big Baby Miller called out Wilder. You know,
obviously that would be kind of interesting in a sense of,
you know, like where they're at in their careers, the

(02:10:39):
lead up would be interesting. Matt from brunch Boxing shouts
out to brunch boxing in general. He had a tweet
a quote tweet saying people complaining about Jake Paul being
ranked but can't name ten cruiserweights. That is a good point.
That is a good point, a very good point really,

(02:11:02):
as I saw people kind of miss uh mis representing
or misinterpretating uh interpretating Floyd Schofield. A lot of people
are running around saying he's tanks mandatory. Okay. Now I've

(02:11:25):
seen people like brunch Boxing and others get it right
saying he's the number one contender, but he until they
call that mother africas. I got a bunch of messages
after that happened. Until they call the mando, He's not
the mando, Remy says Schofield Senior, already calling Junior the

(02:11:47):
best boxer of all time off of that. Tevin Farmer, Yeah,
Jim Cross had a poll. So what level is Jake
Paul as a boxer? World level contender? Let a continental
level or domestic regional level? And I think most people
thought domestic regional level. That's kind of where I had him,

(02:12:10):
But I think he could make an argument for continental.
I think that would you know, be the highest you
know that I would put them. Also, two slicks said,
didn't they have like a guy ranked for a while
that was dead? I saw Naji had an interview with
Gary Gary Antoine Russell. He says a fight with him

(02:12:32):
and Kishon makes sense if he gets a few fights
at acclimate him to the wait. But he would welcome
the fight. And he's talking about Davis going to going
to one. I mean, I don't know about the few fights,
but like I mentioned, Gary Alsa Junior three and a
half years out of the ring, he is returning on
that undercard of the Pacquiao and then you know, here

(02:12:56):
we go again with Tyson. I'm looking forward to count
contemplating the idea of returning, taking it all on board.
I'll make a decision within the forthcoming a few months.
But then we also heard that there's plans for twenty
twenty six. April eighteenth. I saw Dan the boxing Man

(02:13:18):
Fury announces that he's returning April eighteenth, twenty twenty six
for a third USIK fight. Not I don't need to
see a third USIX fight. I just don't. I think
it's a waste. I just I think we've seen it.
I mean, you know, like, I think he's had his

(02:13:38):
chances and I'd much rather I mean, if you want
to come back and fight AJ, you know, cool, but eh,
I don't know. I also saw Carlos Lenarrez, Frank Martin,
and Rancis Bartholomew in discussion for the Roach Davis August eighteenth.

(02:13:59):
Frank you better, I don't know. I don't know. Man,
Good to see you back, but you better watch out
with that style matchup. I'll tell you that. I will
tell you that. Oh and then Chavas Junior got busted
by Ice and whether he's guilty of what they say

(02:14:21):
he was or not. I don't know. I haven't looked
deeply into it, just to be honest. But the funky
thing is why the fuck did they let him fight? Then?
You know, why do why do he fight? Then boxer
Red Gray Ice waiting to Chavis Junior to box Jake

(02:14:42):
Paul first before resting and started deportation. Uh process sums
up how unserious this country is currently. Yeah, because if
if you knew where he was, you know what I mean,
you knew where he was due, you knew where he was.
I mean, he was filing all the time, so they're

(02:15:03):
not all the time, but you know, you knew where
he was, you knew the gym, you know all that stuff.
So I don't know, but yeah, I did get a
couple mentions or not mentions, but messages about you know,
my thoughts on the I'm going through him right now,
the befall better be of and you know, I guess

(02:15:26):
it's pushed till early twenty twenty six. It's just it's disappointing.
It is disappointing. I gotta I gotta say that, because
you know, like, what's the point of not having the
Benevitas fight that that it's kind of weak. Oh and

(02:15:50):
then so on one hand, I like Rodriguez versus Martinez,
Fernando Fernando Puma, you know, and Bam, I like, I
like that fight a lot. I don't And if you're
gonna plan it, sorry, I got the hiccups. And if
you're gonna plan it, cool planet. But maybe I'm just

(02:16:11):
old school or whatever. I don't like announcing the fight
and putting it on like the Marquis. You know, I
remember when they did this the modru mov and Artis Like,
to me, I'm not a big fan of that. Now,
maybe Kafu doesn't show up and he gets beat easy.

(02:16:34):
I'm not saying I do think Baham wins that fight.
I think he wins it pretty clearly, But I just
I'm not I could you could say, hey, this is
what we're planning next for him, and like I said,
Martinez in him that's a great I like that fight
a lot, But to me, it's kind of like, don't
put him on the poster yet, you know, like you're

(02:16:55):
gonna have a press conference. I'm assuming he's not going
to the press conference, but you're gonna have a press
conference for the fight, you know, and you're gonna put
that on there. I don't know. Bo I saw this
per Sabatini box Boaschuck returned September thirteenth. The likely opponent

(02:17:17):
could be a rematch against Brandon Adams, who was doing
good in that fight until he wasn't. Somebody asked me,
what I think a Sky's stoppage, you know whatever, Like
she made the weight, She's more comfortable at a different weight,
I guess, But you know, it's like that shit didn't

(02:17:45):
have much resistance. She snapped her neck, you know, with
a good punch and all that. But I don't. I
just don't look into that much. To be honest with you,
I just I really don't. I don't think it's much.
We got to see more of her, Mike Coppinger. Someone
sent me this screenshot of saying Turkey tried to make
Benavidez bitval that's bullshit. He didn't try to make that fight.

(02:18:09):
I mean, if he did, he tried just barely. But
then he came out and said, I'm not you know,
I'm not bidden on that shit. So now maybe he
didn't like you know, how it went down or whatever,
like the belt thing and oh he's the man doo
and you know whatever we're calling that fight. Okay, you know,

(02:18:31):
to an extent, I get that part, but yeah, I
don't know, Jim Cross, what do we got here? What
do you say here? Fayez and Murphy was a classic
example of what you prefer exactly. Was it the work
rate of Murphy or the eye catching shots? Yeah, that's

(02:18:52):
a good way to put it. So, yeah, Turkey's really
stuck on this ring thing that shrinks as the fight
goes on. It just I don't know. Seventeen he box again.
You have Martaya and Cruz in negotiations to be on

(02:19:15):
a November card in Riot. So Lefty retweeted this thing.
If smaller rings made a difference, that top ranked card
two weeks ago would have had an all all war
and at least a knockout.

Speaker 2 (02:19:31):
Yeah that shit exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:19:34):
I did see Fury saying that Jake Paul and Anthony
Joshua was a fifty to fifty fight. He's trawling, dude,
He's drolling Berlanga though. He's very confident. I know for
a fact I'm going to be the biggest name in boxing,
and this dude literally said he's gonna go to heavyweight playoffs. Heavyweight,

(02:19:58):
this is what better be a Batbiev said, I received
hundreds of questions about the third fight. That's why I
decided to answer here. As you know, the first fight
for the Absolute Champion title, the Absolute I like how
he put that, took place in October last year. After

(02:20:18):
five years of attempts to unify the belts, blah blah blah.
It was still it was still successful. The day after
the first fight, we agreed on a rematch, which was
to take place within four months, despite the fact that
you know he had the operation. Ast coach and the
doctor were basically saying, don't do it, it's too early.

(02:20:39):
After the second fight, I immediately showed interest in an
early third fight in the and at first, you know,
there were the rumors about the fight in August, but
my opponent said in an interview that he wanted to
hold it until later autumn, then at the end of
the year, and now it's completely unknown. And he ends

(02:21:01):
by saying, how old do I have to be so
that we can fight for the third time. I just
I'm not a big fan of that. I saw this
on brunch Boxing Twitter follow them. Team USA came away
with three medals at the World Cup Boxing in Kazakhstan. Perez,
McCain and Gonzalez. That's a good that's a good look.

(02:21:25):
I don't see Berlanga at heavyweight. I mean he may
go up there, but I don't see I just think
he's hey. More power to him, but I think he's delusional. Oh.
By the way, Lester Martinez, like I mentioned before the
Pro Box main event, he is suffering from migraines. I

(02:21:47):
know this isn't the first time that that's happened. So
Jim Cross says, if I hadn't seen the Ottomus fight,
I'd be very confident that Cherez beats Berlanga at any right.
Think Sharaz has got the significantly better skills set of
the two. I'm still picking at Shias, but maybe less confident. Yeah,

(02:22:08):
I agree with that. I agree with that. Oh, Emily
had a tweet. We lost a fighter over the weekend.
Pedro Antonio Rodriguez passed away rip away in his hotel
room after the fight in our card in Arizona. Police
are investigating, but it appears to be unrelated to his fight,

(02:22:28):
but we are all heartbroken. So rest in peace there
So yeah, that card as it stits right now in
Saudi uh for November twenty second, Benevide's Yard, Haini, Norman
Abdulah Mason and Sam Noki Noakes Nokis, I can't remember

(02:22:49):
how to say his name. And then Rodriguez Martinez once again,
good card. You know, I wouldn't say it's not a
good card. You know, I'm not like that, you know,
but it's still like eh, so Adrian Delgado. When it
comes to Zippata, chakor interesting to see how Shakur handles Zippata.
He's a neutralizer who controls distance and temple, relying on accuracy,

(02:23:12):
timing and precision. On offense, Zipata's volume will also create
opening for Shakur to land effectively, although'll have to go
through the fire early. That's well broken down, per usual.
And then Berlanga, this is what I'm talking about. They
asked him why this is boxing news. Why he beats

(02:23:35):
Chiraz Berlanga super explosive IQ, great legs, great jab, great
head movement. He's not fucking with me. He doesn't stand
a chance. I'm telling you, it's levels to this ship.
And when you just repeat Mayweather lines, dude, Like that's
shit stupid. You know. At least like Browner had his

(02:23:57):
own lines. You know, anybody can get it, you know,
like he had his own ship. Dude. I never thought
he was anywhere near uh, you know, Mayweather. But at
least he had his own swag, dude. Berlanga doesn't have
his own swag. Dude. Maybe I'm just fucking old. Anyway,

(02:24:20):
I think that about wraps it up. I am excited
for this weekend though, Saturday night, well, Friday night, gonna
watch it with with a female because you know she's
into it. I mean both things there, but because you
know it's female's fighting.

Speaker 2 (02:24:39):
And then.

Speaker 1 (02:24:42):
And then I have some stuff going on for a while.
But I should be able to see live most of
the card, uh Saturday night too. Some of these cards
I'll watch late night or the next day or whatever
and just stay offline. But I'm looking for forward to it, man.
You know, I think I think those are some really

(02:25:02):
good fights. You know, David Morell, what's he gonna look
like against a power puncher? Does Mattias have enough in him?
Can Berlanga hurt Cherez? You know there's a there's a
lot going on. Obviously, Taylor and Serrana is the best
fight on paper. Anyway, I'm gonna get out of here,
enjoy the fights this weekend. Back next week.

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