June 17, 2025 • 40 mins
This Episode of the NBA Playoff Banter Podcast Features Recap Game 5 Last Night! Breaking Down the Keys to the Game along with Quick Thoughts on Game 3 Indy Win and Game 4 OKC Win! -Indy in Trouble With Haliburton Injury. -SGA & J-Dub Showing Out! -Last 3 Games Jalen Williams Has Shined! -Role Players Produce For Both Teams! -What Happens in Game 6 Thursday at Indy? -Game 7? Listen to the NBA PLAYOFFS BANTER PODCAST All the way to the Finals and Draft/Free Agency! Available under The ROPE A DOPE RADIO Podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify, Amazon Music, Spreaker, Google Podcast, & More! Follow on Twitter @RopeADopeRadio
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
NBA basketball fans, Welcome back to the NBA Playoff Banter Podcast.
He's Marshall, I'm Chris, and we're here to talk about
this series that is now three to two in favor
of OKC. They won back to back games Game four
in Game five, and they look to close it out
this Thursday in Indiana. And obviously, the first thing that
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comes to mind is the health of Haliburton. They're talking
about a calf. It looked like he was very limited
during that game. You know, I don't know what to
Having an extra day. I suppose will help you get
two days off, but I just don't you know, if
they need to take an MRI, more than likely he's
(00:49):
gonna be in trouble.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
But we will talk about Game.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Five, of course, just because it was last night. SGA
and especially j Dubb just step way up man. Jalen Williams.
He's last three games have been very impressive in throughout
the whole playoffs really.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
And then we'll kind of dibble and dabble a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Uh with Game four, I thought it was really impressive
how OKAC one, even though they were three of sixteen
from three point land and that defense that they played
was pretty crazy, and we'll dabble with game three as.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, because shit, when it was two to one.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Speaking of defense, the defense and offense that Indiana played
in that fourth quarter was pretty impressive with that too,
So we'll dibble a little bit, like I said, with
game three and Game four with a little bit more
intense in depth review of last night's game, and then
you know what will happen in Game six at Indy,
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we'll talk it through. If this is your first time
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I'm gonna go ahead and bring in my co host Marshall.
(02:55):
First and foremost, Marshall, how the hell are you doing
before we get into this Game five recap, which has
been a really fun series.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It's definitely lived.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Up to uh, you know some of the hype that
we talked about going in, and obviously you know that
the underdogs really showed up given the fact that they
were up to one not long ago.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I'm good man. I want to say a shout out
to Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
We're getting close to college football season, so I got
to give a quote a ready sir, But besides.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
That, moving on, I'll only I'll only say his name
one time.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Got three like usual side fly Man laid hey, I
think this series has done better than people expected. I
know you have like regular well, I would say we're
the top probably ten percentile sport fans for all the
sports you and I.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Love and the patch we have for it.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
But I would say to a regular sports fan, this
series wasn't gig a whole lot of press. But I
would say that I would imagine the casual viewers falled
into the NBA is not gonna doabas so if they
have poor rays, like the league's going away. But I
think that this for the most part, Chris has been
a pretty fun series to watch.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I do think they need to make an announcer change.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I know that one of the reason they couldn't like
the bringing Mangunny Jackson didn't work out, but just for
kind of a just a quick switch here, Like I'm
not a huge fan of the Doris Burg Richard Jeffson
bringing either.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I would like to see.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Someone just different, like it's too I don't know, Like
there's a lot of times like in sports I've grown up.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
There's times that I remember to watching.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Sunday a Football when I was like in middle school
and like, god, those guys were so good. There's like
Doc Everertt from hockey who I love listening to, and
the each sport I have like announcers I listened to
it are like, man, even if the game sucks, I'll
listen to said person, and I don't feel that's quite
there in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
And I'm sure people love those and the shirts.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
People that don't even with the pregame show, like my
mom last night we were talking, She's like, well, who's
on the pregam show.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Like well, Steven A. Smith and other people, And it's like,
I feel that they need to.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Kind of just twirk a little bit of who's who's
in the pregame shows, just to make it just different personalities.
Now get that's not I'm not ESPN boss, but I
feel they can switch up a little bit. Maybe ABC
will push that direction. I don't know, But it's not
that we've been having a great series by dislike the
announcers announcer.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Part, and it's it's given us more fun games talking
about what we expected. Well, you know that inside the
NBA is gonna be on ESPN, you know that, correct?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah, Well at NBC is gonna be called a lot
of games next year too, So, I you know, I'm
just maybe maybe they'll switching people up.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I don't know, I'm hoping so, but well.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
They're definitely gonna you know, they're definitely gonna switch up
that's for sure. But we'll see exactly which ones, you know,
sure end up where they do. They are gonna have
like tape stuff with Jordan did you hear that? And
oh so he's gonna give his take? Uh? And actually
a lot of Jordans fans who always argue for him
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may not. It kind of sounds like they may not
like what he has to say because he's probably gonna
be like who gives his ship?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Like, get over it, I've been done for a while.
Let me be me. Let a guy like Lebron be Lebron,
and don't act like there's.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Gonna be a bunch of those coming up, like you know,
maybe not some mistake pressure on these guys.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
The shit just kind of happens organically. But yeah, that'll
be interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I do say like for the regular season and especially
the playoffs, for NBC to have it on free TV,
that's gonna be a boost no matter what, dude.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I do like the.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Presentation of TNC, and I do like I like I
like inside the NBA.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
When they're just giving ship to each other.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I I do think that both the ESPN and T
and T at times make it about themselves too much.
That's right, they involved themselves.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You know, like Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Smith was talking about what Haliburton answer. Haliburton answered a
question and it had something to do with him. He
didn't just start cocking off about Steven A.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Smith.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
But he's up there and Shaq does this and Charles
does it, and it's funny when they're getting each other shit.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
But sometimes they.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Make it about themselves and they just dump on players
where you're like, dude, like, first of all, Shaq, you
were out of shape in twenty twenty four, Like way
out of shape. If we want to go back and
watch the tape, we can watch your hass not playing defense.
Like sometimes I think, and I think it's not just
in basketball. I think overall the way people cover sports now,
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it's just it's about them, and it's about some crazy
shit that you're gonna say, and you know it's gonna
go virol no matter if it's right or not, or
bullshit or not or whatever, and that it's kind of
like the world.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
We live in.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Unfortunately, it kind of sucks. Yeah, but you know, it
is what it is.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
There's still you know, quality people out there, but you know,
it's it's just less and less, even like the tnt
uh the game itself, the All Star game, they had
him picking their own teams.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
It was just like, what, like, why is this about you? Guys?
Like I don't understand, And so many dudes on ESPN
are like that where it's just like are.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
We covering the sport or are we just a personality
and that's it, you know, yeah, yeah, you know Smith
usually leads the way on that. But let's get off
of that ship. Let's get onto what we got last night.
Okay stee, okay see, started out pretty hot. They were
seven of nine from the field, forcing a time out.
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You saw Sga getting to the rack v back door
pass or cut or driving to the bucket. He was
looking really good and and he was real sloppy about
the ball. Obviously that has to do with okay sees defense,
but overall.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I didn't I just thought they were a little sloppy.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
They had seven to one for turnovers in the first quarter,
and we know that's a big thing following okay see,
you gotta take care of the ball. Mathern came in
and they had a nice rundown block and you know,
scored some points really quick.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
But Wallace was like three for three fairly early in
this game, and early in this game in the second.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Okay, see, at the time is five to eight from three,
it's forty to twenty nine. And Haliburton, it is kind
of gimpy, you know, he's a little limpy. He went out,
then he came back in. He saw Turner was limping
a little bit too, I think from a collision. And
it seemed to me though in the second quarter, I'm
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right looking at my notes and he just missing, you know,
open shots. And meanwhile, okay, see, much like the fourth
quarter just got on fire. They were like six to
nine from three and eleven of twelve from the free
throw line up at half fifty nine to forty five.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
What were you thinking at that time?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Are you thinking, all right, well, the third quarter is
going to be pretty important here, that they better get
into this or did you kind of feel like this
game is looking kind of rough.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Obviously you can't count out in the end, and they
did end up catching up. But what were your thoughts
at half? And just in that first half?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Again, I better first half.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I think that's been their moo that they're a really
good old team. They are the better team in Vegas's mine,
and you see it because their spurts where they play defense,
that's like holy shit shit. Like I was texting my
my basketball coach, and I was like, I would love
to have seen this this Okay, see team play like
the first Warriors team and just see like you know,
(11:10):
because both those teams were like really good defensive their
old ways. I was like with bo get Clay and Igodala.
But even so, the thing that pressed me, but okay,
see is the.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Keep moving in and out of bad and good coverage.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh okay, all right, it's kind of low.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Right now, but I'll let you know when it's high
and then you can kind of sit there.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Okay, is that better? No, I can hear you.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It just it's just hanging on barely, that's all, is it? Okay,
it's better right now, You're all good. I could still
hear okay, right now, it's perfect.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Okay, all right, it's it's uh like that their defense
is just tremendous. Like I don't know if the last
team I've watched the NBA that has so many half
court I can't dribble the ball. Oh shit, turnovers, that's
like what happens in high school. And they do it
to like these pay like any team on a regular base,
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which I've really never seen.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Like yeah, like that Warriors.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Seam I mentioned like Clague, all those guys were good,
but the Warriors never had any on ball turnomers.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
They would just make bad shots and go on runs.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
But like this, Okay, see, defense is seriously is just
like relentless, and that's stuff that I'm just not used
to ever seeing like it. Their defense is freaking insane
that you're that I'm referencing like what happens to my
high school kids. But these are NBA guys make NBA
guys look like they can't dribble like that's not normal.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's kind of freezing up right now. I heard a
good chunk of it.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Because you're talking about defense and how just intense it is,
and but you're kind of breaking up in there.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, or it looks like I got what bar fire
these damn cell phones?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Uh yeah, I just they're they're the way they play defense.
Their bad bad defense is just phenomenal, Like it's I
don't know how they do it. It's just the way
they make somebody oddball turnovers. I just I don't think
that's been done often like they just they they they
they played defense different.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I've used to watch it as a fan.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It didn't improve. Now okay, it's back to being good.
So try to stay in that spot. But they may
who knows, they may just mess up. But yeah, I
was like, kind of like you're saying, like some of
its sloppiness on Indiana, but a lot of it's just
that pressure that they're bringing the whole time, and it
kind of turns you into like you're rushing because you
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know or even when you take a shot you feel
like it's open, all of a sudden, they're right on you.
And we talked about that in the Minnesota in the
Denver series, how they can they they just react to
what's going on, and they have a good game plan.
Everybody sticks to it, and sometimes they'll go two guys
out there, but then they'll.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Be able to scramble right back to the shooter and it's.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Just like, all of a sudden, you're kind of rushed
and you don't feel like you're getting up a good shot.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
But but that's your main point right there, is the
fact that as a team, because if OKC had one
shitty defender, they could not play the defense they play. Now,
I'm not saying all five guys are elite, but if
you had one of a week, wait, if you had
one and a half, like average defenders, you'd be screwed.
They could not play the way they play. But as
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a team, they're nucleus. It's fucking impressive. It really is
just that the about a half court pick the ball up,
I lost my dribble?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Oh shit, what do I do? Turnover?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
You really don't ever see an NBA because there's so
many dribbling like that. Is a tip of the cap
to okc's defense and the system they've created as a
defensive approach.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, definitely, And you know, look like they were in
cruise control the up double digits of pheromone. I mean
somewhere in the third quarter you had Jalen twenty six
points a nine to fifteen shooting, but McConnell had like
eleven well, I think he had like ten points in
the third or twelve points either driving or you know
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and laying up or just driving to the spot. How
he'll get a little eight or ten foot jumper. And
he made a nice little run. And just in general,
they made a nice little run. The bench at the
time late third had thirty one points and TJ had
a really nice end one, and you know it was like, okay,
(15:39):
here they come, They're coming, They're coming back. You know,
they got it to eighty seven to seventy nine. Jalen
hit a tough shot to close that quarter, and Siakam
got going as well.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I think he hit like a three and it was
ninety two to eighty six with plenty you know early
on Siaka, you know, just he hit another three, got
into ninety five ninety three.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
But right away, just like they did in the damn
you know the Timberwolves series, where you're you're two points
away and next thing you know, it's it's a three
point shot and it's a steal and it's a bucket,
and then it's a time out, and dort would picked
up the fourth fall, then he hit a rainbow three
and then jailing high off the glass. Like it just
(16:26):
they just didn't have enough answers and they just got
a lot of like like their studs obviously, you know,
jailing forty points thirty one for Alexander, thirteen to fourteen
from the line. But you know, also like Wiggins hit
four threes, Wallace hit three threes. Dort hit three threes.
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It was just the turnovers early and late just kind
of caught up with them, and there was really it
felt like nothing they were gonna build to do. And
at the same time, you can see during this game,
I think it was the second quarter when Halliburton left
and then came back and you're like, man, I wonder
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if he's okay, And then you could kind of tell
he was just super passive, didn't hit a field goal,
got going because he was able to get to the
free throw line.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
But you know, hell of a game. They made it close.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Like I said, I think that had they knocked down
some earlier shots and been in the game and not
have to come back so much throughout the game, maybe
they would have done better down the stretch. But these
games four, in games five, it just it really looked like, okay,
see Halliburton or not Halliburton, because Haliburton was there for
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game four obviously, it just felt like, I don't know,
like we'll go back to game four really quick too,
like in a second, because they had.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That fucking game like Indiana, Yeah, like that was their game, man.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
But overall Game five, you know, okay, see just just
closed it out man, like they're they're just they're a
damn good team. And we were just talking about it
before we hit record, you know, and just in general,
h you mentioned earlier that you know it's gonna be
tough to keep all the players, but at least going
(18:26):
in the next year.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They are just so damn deep and everybody's on the
same page.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Man.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
It just like when they when they hit threes at home,
that team is really hard to be because you know
their defenses relentless, They're going to force turnovers, they're gonna
put shots up sga at Holbe is gonna play bear
out of the road.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
I didn't think the rest were a huge part of
last night. I think they just played really good basketball,
like for like like the five minutes stretch like to
it's the they were on a huge run they just
couldn't miss.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
So you already have like a pretty well oiled machine
with Jayla.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Willis played his ass off and hard side making his
couple of buckets here and there. But if you got
their role guys or their wigs hitting threes, you're not
gonna beat that team.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You're just not. Ye, That's what happened.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Last night, like the Pacers made a belly comeback, but
whether whether threes are dropping and everyone's kind of a groove,
like dude, good luck, like the Pacers did it quit.
But that yeah, you're you're not gonna beat them where
they're win or hit threes. That's they're they're already too
much to deal with.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, and then you know what's scary is they couldn't
beat them when they're three of sixteen either. Yeah, in
the game real quick going to game three, uh, Matthermin
was going crazy. That was a competitive game the whole time.
And okay, see at one point it was eighteen to
eleven with the turnovers. They had a bunch of turnovers
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a game three and it was like twenty one to
ten for points off those turnovers. You know, hal Burton
had it going topping had these rebound dunks. They just
as a full team once again. They they just they
closed out game three and I got yeah in game
(20:17):
three when they're up two to one, man, you know,
you know we've actually seen Boston was up two to one.
Uh was Phoenix up to zip and then they lost.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Straight four straight?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Or was it two to one? And they lost four straight?
So I can't remember Phoenix was up to to zero
and that wasn't.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Were they or was it Phoenix verse?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Who?
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
When they made the run to the was it Milwaukee? Oh,
Milwaukee beat them?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
That wasn't that the matchup? Remember with Chris Paul bast
Ball what do you know got hurt in June?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
They made the finals not long ago?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, I can't remember. Obviously in twenty twenty one, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Either way they were Uh, I know you remember the
Celtics one because it's your golden state.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, sometimes you can get
lost in that two for one. What was your mind
state after Game three though?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
When Boston or not Boston, but when Indies up and
you're thinking, wow, like did you kind of feel like, yeah,
it's not over.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
They're not gonna win, They're not gonna go, you know,
win the next two right away.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But I got admit I didn't necessarily think they'd lose
the next two either.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
You know. Yeah, that that game four was that really
was a hell of a basketball game. Uh. I don't
care what Doris Brooke says.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
There's no rule NBA that says you're allowed to take
three steps to push them it off, like and that
was a huge play. But like I watched that play
live at SGA did just push off and he lost
the ball. He picked it up, he took three steps
hit a dumper, which one of the biggest shots in
the game. And then she comes out and says, well,
when you gather the ball, you get two steps. That's
(22:12):
news to me because in my world of coaching basketball,
to see in basketball, if if somebody got spice to
the ball, like he never lost it, but you're justifying
him taking one, two, three steps in front of the
ref It don't travel like you know, I don't that's
what it was. Places where it's like that was such
a huge shot at the gable, like, but the announcer
(22:34):
said with the gatherer lost two steps. I would like
to see that rule book printing because I didn't know
that if you fumble the ball, you know you really
lose it, you get two free steps.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Plus the third one for fun. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
But the only thing that like, and I I think
it's because like all my Wolves friends are like tired
of SGA because he's the pre throw birch. But I
will say, like he does shove a lot now he
does it good, he's quick with it, but the a
lount of times that he will shove someone off and
get space for a shot. You really should let that
shit happen, Like that's against the rules. I know he
(23:10):
kind of has mastered it, but still, how does he
do that every game of the rest is kind of
let it go, don't. I know, there's like the Star
treatment for NBA players that it's part of the game,
But like, dude, you're always shoved, shove, shove, and it's
not a full extension but still a quick blow pop.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Like, I'm really surprised that he gets with as much
as he does.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
That's what's talking.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
About Game three though not game four. Game three, how were.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You thinking after that? Did you have it in your
mind that the Pacers they might wrap this up game
six or something like that?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Sorry, oh my bad, Yeah, it froze out. Yes, I
thought very good about that. Yeah, that because that was
great Pacers defense where they were physical, and that's we're
called but sorry to loop this all together. Let's get
that was a tremendous example of t defense where SGA
was being played physical. There was not let's shove it.
If there was this back and forth. Hey, cool, that's fine,
let him play. Yeah, I don't think many people expected that.
(24:05):
We both did say on the podcast last week, Hey,
we both think it'll be two to two.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
The Pacers played dominant whole perform us the way they
did that was not expected whatsoever. So yes, that part
had me very surprised with how strong of a game
they played.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yes, for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, it had me really thinking, like man, just like
that the Pacers, you know, and obviously I was thinking
selfishly with that plus nine ten MVP that I had,
you know before the series started. Yes, that was too much.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
He just moved into a bad spot.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Okay, all right, okay, all right, got.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
You, Okay, you're good right here. Well we'll see. But yeah,
to your point, in the fourth quarter, just in general,
but the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Of Game four, I thought that, I mean, looking down
the stretch of that game, like Indiana was in a
good spot.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You know, we talked about if it's close, we we
you know, we generally believe that Indiana's gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Close it out, and it was close in Game three,
they closed it out, and you're thinking all the while,
you know, there's there's less than four minutes left, Haliburton
got it going. He at the time, with like a
three fifty two left, they had a three point lead,
and uh he had eight points out of an eighteen
in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You're like, okay, that's coming.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But then that jumper, the little step back jumper, okay,
see took the lead and in that quarter at some
point it was twenty five to sixteen, and they went
on a nine to zero run to get up one
O eight one O three with twenty three seven or
twenty three seconds left. Uh, just the way they you know,
(25:49):
Mathroom got falled. It would have been a long shot,
but Mathroom got falled and he missed both of the
free throws. You know, I think SGA made five eight shots.
So to your point, you know, the push out thing,
it's like Jordan's one of the most iconic shot of
(26:12):
Jordan is him pushing Russell off.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Clear. Yeah, but people don't fucking have a problem with
that at all because it's Mike, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
But I mean it is clear as day because Russell
had caught up to his move and so he had
to create that thing. But what I look at the
SGA thing is I think he's almost like a wide
receiver where he lets them create contact and then at
that split second he's like oh clear, oh you know,
And that's why I think he keeps getting away with it.
(26:44):
But then again to your point, okay, see is and
we talked about this before, is their handsy as fuck?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
So I think that they're handsy like that to the
point where you can't call it all the time. Even
if you're calling a tight game, you still can't call
it all the time. So we're just gonna that that's
the problem. It's like, if you're gonna let him do that,
then you gotta let other stuff slide then too. That's
kind of where it is. It's like, because some of
those SGA is clearly pushing off a step it back
(27:15):
and get in space. But some of it is the
I guess you could say the defender like a cornerback,
you know, put his hands on him a little bit,
and then he just cleared space.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
So I just wish it would be more consistent.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
That's and I understand basketball the angles, you can't see everything.
I'm not you're not gonna call a perfect game, but
I do wish that it would just like either you
let him play for the most part, or you don't
you know, don't do this in between, because then it
looks like, well you just let him push, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
But yet on the other side, you called that fall.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So but he he's great at what he does. There
are just players in the league, you know, every generation
has multiple players that just find the way.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
You know, I don't mind, Like if someone's.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
In your space and you just clear you know, yeah,
that's on you.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You know, too bad. You got to have your mind ready,
you know.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Or if someone has a like if they want to
get in the bonus, they'll just do that, and that's
smart play. Chris Paul does that shit. Even D'Angel Russell
will do that. So that type of stuff I think
is strategic and all that. But yeah, the whole both ways,
you gotta you gotta call.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It both ways. And uh, didn't people get mad?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
You know? And and and also he just he falls
a lot on the ground and it's just like, dude,
there's no way they hit you that hard. You're you're
six six, dude, You're not weak, you know what I mean.
So yeah, I don't know, some guys just mastered that,
and then other guys they can't do it like aunt
can't he can't.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Draw that same contact. He just he's just not built
like that. You know, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Is not even flopping, but just in general he actually
goes away from the guy to try to make the shot.
But there are some times and actually Jefferson said it
in that moment where SGS SGA got up and I
think it was then hard. He could have just he
could have went like that and you know, took the shot.
(29:16):
It would have been three point play, yeah, three point play,
but three you know, but he didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And it's like, no, that that's where you got, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So it's somewhere in between a really smart strategy heads
he played.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
But also you know, call it both ways, like I
just or don't call it, you know, whichever, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I yeah, I agree, And he has mastered the craft
of get you look, which to his credit that that's
a hard percent fair. It's just it's also yeah, yeah,
it is, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Because because there's that you know, the NBA logo, there's
that did you ever show that or that ever test
that NBA logo of SGA. It's like him sideways like flailing,
but you know, he's just been steady pretty much every game,
whether he gets to the free throw or not. But
(30:08):
these last three, dude, like Jada has just really solidified himself.
Will be forty points last night, I think it was
twenty six, twenty seven or twenty five twenty six, forty, Like,
you know, a lot in the other guys have been solid.
They've gotten you know, whether it's Caruso or they they've gotten.
(30:29):
I went over how many three point shot? You know,
so this dude hit three, the other dude at four.
Like they've just gotten what they need off the bench,
playing a really good bench team, right even when they
they lost the bench.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
But you wouldn't even know it really, you know, but
they just I.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Don't know, man, they just they just those two guys
have solidified themself.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
And that was the thing going in this year.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
You know, the supporting cast, you know, the big three
in the supporting cast. Will the number two and number
three show up like they needed to last year?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
They didn't?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
This year they have. And yeah it's scary, man, because
they're they're young, and they're just gonna get better, like.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You know, so we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
But you know, I don't know, man, they're they're damn
good dude.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
It's say with their coach too, Like their coach is
probably taking a couple l's this year that he should
have and I'm sure they're gonna around, especially against weds
Woods Rig But he's only a girls coach too, Like
I think for years they got lucky like Kerr. Kerr
was kind of like lucky to endorse TV Dick because
he did have a lot of experiences. He probably you know,
he's made his calls. But like coaches like Pop eight,
(31:44):
like Carlisle, he he's probably the reason why the Pacers
are where they're at, Like he's a great fucking coach,
like you know, so how that Daniel's only got a
lord more because he had the the slip up game
what against Denverard, which people give him some crap for
now he's had big here, but you gotta figure it
next year as well, because you know, everyone like speaking
the Timberwolves, which you and my friends love, like people
(32:07):
love Fitch as a coach, like and he's not gonna
get better. You Also, it's really fair to mention Dad
at all, like he's a pretty like you know, young coach,
but he'll get better too, and coach he does matter.
I know it's not like somebody we talked about a lot,
but like sp I love that guy. Spots has made
a lot of teams like you also, that's the other
part of the team where they're growing as a team
and they have a young coach growing with him too,
(32:27):
which is only Goetta unfortunately make the better for the
rest of the league.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, and then like we've said this whole process and
we end up saying it a lot anyway, Uh, with
the NBA show, it's just like every every team has
a different stage that it has to go through.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Times it only takes two years, and it kind of
like three years really because lot you know, two years
ago they were in the plan and actually the the
the they played, uh they played Minnesota, that's your Denver
one because we played him in the first round. And
and then last year they're in the number one seed,
(33:06):
they end up getting beat and then now they come
back and yeah, they are growing, dude, they have a lot.
It's funny because even like you said, like so, they
they've had multiple times where they lose Game one, they
get their ass kicked and it's a two to one
series and it's a tight game.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
They end up closing that out at on the road
at Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You know, so they've really and in this series, they're
down two to one, they lose their you know, they
lose the first fucking game, you know, and you're like, oh, dude,
this fuck, fuck this Haliburton guy. Who the hell is
this guy? You know, like, but yet they didn't blink.
They came right back, and now they've served in the
end of their first two losses since.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
March in a row.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
So yeah, and to your point, Finch even admitted, you know,
because he has this free flowing very uh, it gives
the play.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
A whole lot. They don't really have much of a leash.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
And he even said, I got to tighten that shit
up at times in the game, and we have to
go to play calling, we have to be more focused,
and we have to really.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Kind of not spoon feed it.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
But just obviously we're failing in some of those scenarios.
So instead of doing the free flow, I gotta make
some tweaks and so hopefully that happens. Just from a
Timberl's perspective, but yeah, you're right, it's a you know,
heading into Thursday's game. We're both on the same page
where if Halliburton was healthy or if randomly he's just
(34:40):
they the MRI comes back negative and they've shoot some
quarter zone and he feels okay. You know, who knows
that could happen.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
You never know.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
But knowing what we know now and knowing how.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Seeing him on that court, it's just tough. It's difficult
to pick the Pacers. They'd have to go nuts. Now
they have a deep team to do it, but they
would have to hit like twenty threes.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Dude, you know, yeah, but I'd be saying thing, let's
say SGA has food poison, he's out for tomorrow, Okay,
Like okay, well I'd be picking the Pacers of a
heartbeat of SGA was out. So it's just when your catalysts,
like your quarterback on your football team is out, your backup.
And we went through some Minneapolis Viking er minsloona Viiking back,
(35:25):
the quarterback playoff games or the count you know, like
when you with the Peters out. There's so many intangibles
like if was out, I still might bet idiot or
Miles Turner shirt. But Halliburton, who handles the ball pretty
well as you can versus that great half court defense. Yeah,
him out, or if he pulls Aaron Gordon and plays
at sixty percent, you know versus Okay, see, like Eric
(35:49):
Gordon tried that, it didn't go so well for him either.
You know, I don't know, because if Halbertson does play
baked up, it's gonna be picking.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Roll all day.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
They're gonna expose it defensively to the point where he's
he have to come off the court at that point,
are you benfigure team?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Not really?
Speaker 4 (36:02):
I know you want to be out there for your boys,
but if you're giving up defensive lapses consistently, Carlisle's not suit.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
But he's gonna have to pull them out.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
And the fact that they pulled him out before the
second quarter ended and then they brought him back like
I mentioned earlier, but he was like, what the.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Hell would he be doing out right now? Anyway? Like,
we need to keep this game as close as you can,
you know. So that was kind of a tell right there.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
So so in the end, you think it's probably gonna
be a done deal. Four to two, pretty damn good
series either way, though.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yeah, I think it's been a great series, but we
both expected hopefully they're at raise whatever we're fans that'd
be's goed away. He's been a very fun watch, good
for small market stories. We could have repeat next year.
These teams are both pretty well built out. All the
Pacers cree agency as much as the Okay see, but
they're still pretty good.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, they're both gonna have a lot of their team back,
that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
They really the Pacers. Lily' a true high, high level superstar.
It's gonna be like I want fifty MILLI you know,
maybe Halburton's gonna a little bit, say with Seaka, but
these are two teams we're gonna be around again. So yeah,
I do think it is sad that Halbert's hurt. But again,
since we've started this podcast, almost every single year the
championship has been decided. Like if we're doing a pie chart,
(37:20):
about thirty three percent of the pie charts like due
to injuries of a key player, whether benefit or You're
all right, you're frozen. I can't hear you right now,
but don't hang injuries. It's part of basketball. But I
don't feel you that we're gonna win the Pacers. I
think they would have won if Halburton was healthy. But yeah,
(37:44):
I'm saying, okay, see, maybe they get a little bit
of a punch from Pacers. They're not gonna quit, but
I think okay, see Woods by double digits in game six.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, and when they're in these advances, you know, when
they have, when they're in this predicament, this opportunity to
do it, they usually jump on it. And it would
be crazy to beat them three straight times. I wouldn't
have thought either of these teams could beat each other
three times. But you know, yeah, if you see Haliburton
kind of just camping around, that's not gonna be good.
(38:14):
So if it does go to game seven, we'll probably
do a Monday show because obviously, yeah, Thursday and then
Sunday would be the game. So what we'll come back Monday.
If not, we'll just kind of play it by ear
with the free agency stuff, and it might be a
(38:35):
Draft night trade because the way it's gonna work, it's
like Brooklyn has money. Other teams can maneuver. But for
the most part, if you're talking about someone making forty
five fifty to fifty five sixty, if you're talking about
a big contract, shit, even if you're talking about a
twenty five to thirty million player, maybe like a Randall
(38:57):
or nas Reed, you know, in that realm, like you're
gonna have to trade them more likely if they want
to sign someplace because people just don't have the money
this year. So it does sound like whether it's we
know Durant's getting traded, it's just a matter who. But
Yannis is still potentially out there to get traded maybe too.
(39:19):
So we're gonna kind of play it by year.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
It won't be the normal.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
You know, they're gonna wine and dine five different teams
and all that because people just don't have the money.
So it's it's you know, it's gonna be signing trade.
And I wouldn't doubt if the Timberwolves is involved somewhere.
Maybe not the KD maybe well, I don't think gyannest.
I think the thing about the Timberwlves is they just
don't have enough draft picks to throw in. We probably
(39:47):
have the most ready to win right now players we
can give to you you know, yeah, but are they
looking for a combination of picks ready and young? You know,
that's that's probab where we lose out but it does
sound like, you know, the sign and trade is gonna
be a big thing. So it might be mid July.
(40:08):
It could be you know, Duran could get moved Draft night.
You know who knows the way they talk about it,
it keeps changing. So we'll just kind of play it
by ear as far as that goes. But like I said,
if it goes game seven, well we'll have a show Monday. Otherwise,
you know, kind of stick around with us. We'll do uh,
(40:29):
you know, give our thoughts and break down some of
the big trades or moves when it comes to free agency.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Man, August thirtieth, there's like that's week zero slash week one.
There's like five great cult football games. So we'll be
back to before. You don't because college football this this
week one is gonna be off the rails, so and
I know it. Enjoy the weather, get outside, play some golf.
The boys are out.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Have good eight. Peace,
NBA basketball fans, Welcome back to the NBA Playoff Banter Podcast.
He's Marshall, I'm Chris, and we're here to talk about
this series that is now three to two in favor
of OKC. They won back to back games Game four
in Game five, and they look to close it out
this Thursday in Indiana. And obviously, the first thing that
(00:28):
comes to mind is the health of Haliburton. They're talking
about a calf. It looked like he was very limited
during that game. You know, I don't know what to
Having an extra day. I suppose will help you get
two days off, but I just don't you know, if
they need to take an MRI, more than likely he's
(00:49):
gonna be in trouble.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
But we will talk about Game.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Five, of course, just because it was last night. SGA
and especially j Dubb just step way up man. Jalen Williams.
He's last three games have been very impressive in throughout
the whole playoffs really.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
And then we'll kind of dibble and dabble a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Uh with Game four, I thought it was really impressive
how OKAC one, even though they were three of sixteen
from three point land and that defense that they played
was pretty crazy, and we'll dabble with game three as.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, because shit, when it was two to one.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Speaking of defense, the defense and offense that Indiana played
in that fourth quarter was pretty impressive with that too,
So we'll dibble a little bit, like I said, with
game three and Game four with a little bit more
intense in depth review of last night's game, and then
you know what will happen in Game six at Indy,
(01:45):
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I'm gonna go ahead and bring in my co host Marshall.
(02:55):
First and foremost, Marshall, how the hell are you doing
before we get into this Game five recap, which has
been a really fun series.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It's definitely lived.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Up to uh, you know some of the hype that
we talked about going in, and obviously you know that
the underdogs really showed up given the fact that they
were up to one not long ago.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I'm good man. I want to say a shout out
to Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
We're getting close to college football season, so I got
to give a quote a ready sir, But besides.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
That, moving on, I'll only I'll only say his name
one time.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Got three like usual side fly Man laid hey, I
think this series has done better than people expected. I
know you have like regular well, I would say we're
the top probably ten percentile sport fans for all the
sports you and I.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Love and the patch we have for it.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
But I would say to a regular sports fan, this
series wasn't gig a whole lot of press. But I
would say that I would imagine the casual viewers falled
into the NBA is not gonna doabas so if they
have poor rays, like the league's going away. But I
think that this for the most part, Chris has been
a pretty fun series to watch.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I do think they need to make an announcer change.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I know that one of the reason they couldn't like
the bringing Mangunny Jackson didn't work out, but just for
kind of a just a quick switch here, Like I'm
not a huge fan of the Doris Burg Richard Jeffson
bringing either.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I would like to see.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Someone just different, like it's too I don't know, Like
there's a lot of times like in sports I've grown up.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
There's times that I remember to watching.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Sunday a Football when I was like in middle school
and like, god, those guys were so good. There's like
Doc Everertt from hockey who I love listening to, and
the each sport I have like announcers I listened to
it are like, man, even if the game sucks, I'll
listen to said person, and I don't feel that's quite
there in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
And I'm sure people love those and the shirts.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
People that don't even with the pregame show, like my
mom last night we were talking, She's like, well, who's
on the pregam show.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Like well, Steven A. Smith and other people, And it's like,
I feel that they need to.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Kind of just twirk a little bit of who's who's
in the pregame shows, just to make it just different personalities.
Now get that's not I'm not ESPN boss, but I
feel they can switch up a little bit. Maybe ABC
will push that direction. I don't know, But it's not
that we've been having a great series by dislike the
announcers announcer.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Part, and it's it's given us more fun games talking
about what we expected. Well, you know that inside the
NBA is gonna be on ESPN, you know that, correct?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah, Well at NBC is gonna be called a lot
of games next year too, So, I you know, I'm
just maybe maybe they'll switching people up.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I don't know, I'm hoping so, but well.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
They're definitely gonna you know, they're definitely gonna switch up
that's for sure. But we'll see exactly which ones, you know,
sure end up where they do. They are gonna have
like tape stuff with Jordan did you hear that? And
oh so he's gonna give his take? Uh? And actually
a lot of Jordans fans who always argue for him
(06:11):
may not. It kind of sounds like they may not
like what he has to say because he's probably gonna
be like who gives his ship?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Like, get over it, I've been done for a while.
Let me be me. Let a guy like Lebron be Lebron,
and don't act like there's.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Gonna be a bunch of those coming up, like you know,
maybe not some mistake pressure on these guys.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
The shit just kind of happens organically. But yeah, that'll
be interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I do say like for the regular season and especially
the playoffs, for NBC to have it on free TV,
that's gonna be a boost no matter what, dude.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I do like the.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Presentation of TNC, and I do like I like I
like inside the NBA.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
When they're just giving ship to each other.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I I do think that both the ESPN and T
and T at times make it about themselves too much.
That's right, they involved themselves.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You know, like Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Smith was talking about what Haliburton answer. Haliburton answered a
question and it had something to do with him. He
didn't just start cocking off about Steven A.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Smith.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
But he's up there and Shaq does this and Charles
does it, and it's funny when they're getting each other shit.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
But sometimes they.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Make it about themselves and they just dump on players
where you're like, dude, like, first of all, Shaq, you
were out of shape in twenty twenty four, Like way
out of shape. If we want to go back and
watch the tape, we can watch your hass not playing defense.
Like sometimes I think, and I think it's not just
in basketball. I think overall the way people cover sports now,
(07:52):
it's just it's about them, and it's about some crazy
shit that you're gonna say, and you know it's gonna
go virol no matter if it's right or not, or
bullshit or not or whatever, and that it's kind of
like the world.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
We live in.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Unfortunately, it kind of sucks. Yeah, but you know, it
is what it is.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
There's still you know, quality people out there, but you know,
it's it's just less and less, even like the tnt
uh the game itself, the All Star game, they had
him picking their own teams.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
It was just like, what, like, why is this about you? Guys?
Like I don't understand, And so many dudes on ESPN
are like that where it's just like are.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
We covering the sport or are we just a personality
and that's it, you know, yeah, yeah, you know Smith
usually leads the way on that. But let's get off
of that ship. Let's get onto what we got last night.
Okay stee, okay see, started out pretty hot. They were
seven of nine from the field, forcing a time out.
(08:57):
You saw Sga getting to the rack v back door
pass or cut or driving to the bucket. He was
looking really good and and he was real sloppy about
the ball. Obviously that has to do with okay sees defense,
but overall.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I didn't I just thought they were a little sloppy.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
They had seven to one for turnovers in the first quarter,
and we know that's a big thing following okay see,
you gotta take care of the ball. Mathern came in
and they had a nice rundown block and you know,
scored some points really quick.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
But Wallace was like three for three fairly early in
this game, and early in this game in the second.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Okay, see, at the time is five to eight from three,
it's forty to twenty nine. And Haliburton, it is kind
of gimpy, you know, he's a little limpy. He went out,
then he came back in. He saw Turner was limping
a little bit too, I think from a collision. And
it seemed to me though in the second quarter, I'm
(10:04):
right looking at my notes and he just missing, you know,
open shots. And meanwhile, okay, see, much like the fourth
quarter just got on fire. They were like six to
nine from three and eleven of twelve from the free
throw line up at half fifty nine to forty five.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
What were you thinking at that time?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Are you thinking, all right, well, the third quarter is
going to be pretty important here, that they better get
into this or did you kind of feel like this
game is looking kind of rough.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Obviously you can't count out in the end, and they
did end up catching up. But what were your thoughts
at half? And just in that first half?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Again, I better first half.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I think that's been their moo that they're a really
good old team. They are the better team in Vegas's mine,
and you see it because their spurts where they play defense,
that's like holy shit shit. Like I was texting my
my basketball coach, and I was like, I would love
to have seen this this Okay, see team play like
the first Warriors team and just see like you know,
(11:10):
because both those teams were like really good defensive their
old ways. I was like with bo get Clay and Igodala.
But even so, the thing that pressed me, but okay,
see is the.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Keep moving in and out of bad and good coverage.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh okay, all right, it's kind of low.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Right now, but I'll let you know when it's high
and then you can kind of sit there.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Okay, is that better? No, I can hear you.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It just it's just hanging on barely, that's all, is it? Okay,
it's better right now, You're all good. I could still
hear okay, right now, it's perfect.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Okay, all right, it's it's uh like that their defense
is just tremendous. Like I don't know if the last
team I've watched the NBA that has so many half
court I can't dribble the ball. Oh shit, turnovers, that's
like what happens in high school. And they do it
to like these pay like any team on a regular base,
(12:08):
which I've really never seen.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Like yeah, like that Warriors.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Seam I mentioned like Clague, all those guys were good,
but the Warriors never had any on ball turnomers.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
They would just make bad shots and go on runs.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
But like this, Okay, see, defense is seriously is just
like relentless, and that's stuff that I'm just not used
to ever seeing like it. Their defense is freaking insane
that you're that I'm referencing like what happens to my
high school kids. But these are NBA guys make NBA
guys look like they can't dribble like that's not normal.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's kind of freezing up right now. I heard a
good chunk of it.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Because you're talking about defense and how just intense it is,
and but you're kind of breaking up in there.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, or it looks like I got what bar fire
these damn cell phones?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Uh yeah, I just they're they're the way they play defense.
Their bad bad defense is just phenomenal, Like it's I
don't know how they do it. It's just the way
they make somebody oddball turnovers. I just I don't think
that's been done often like they just they they they
they played defense different.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I've used to watch it as a fan.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It didn't improve. Now okay, it's back to being good.
So try to stay in that spot. But they may
who knows, they may just mess up. But yeah, I
was like, kind of like you're saying, like some of
its sloppiness on Indiana, but a lot of it's just
that pressure that they're bringing the whole time, and it
kind of turns you into like you're rushing because you
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know or even when you take a shot you feel
like it's open, all of a sudden, they're right on you.
And we talked about that in the Minnesota in the
Denver series, how they can they they just react to
what's going on, and they have a good game plan.
Everybody sticks to it, and sometimes they'll go two guys
out there, but then they'll.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Be able to scramble right back to the shooter and it's.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Just like, all of a sudden, you're kind of rushed
and you don't feel like you're getting up a good shot.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
But but that's your main point right there, is the
fact that as a team, because if OKC had one
shitty defender, they could not play the defense they play. Now,
I'm not saying all five guys are elite, but if
you had one of a week, wait, if you had
one and a half, like average defenders, you'd be screwed.
They could not play the way they play. But as
(14:35):
a team, they're nucleus. It's fucking impressive. It really is
just that the about a half court pick the ball up,
I lost my dribble?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Oh shit, what do I do? Turnover?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
You really don't ever see an NBA because there's so
many dribbling like that. Is a tip of the cap
to okc's defense and the system they've created as a
defensive approach.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, definitely, And you know, look like they were in
cruise control the up double digits of pheromone. I mean
somewhere in the third quarter you had Jalen twenty six
points a nine to fifteen shooting, but McConnell had like
eleven well, I think he had like ten points in
the third or twelve points either driving or you know
(15:17):
and laying up or just driving to the spot. How
he'll get a little eight or ten foot jumper. And
he made a nice little run. And just in general,
they made a nice little run. The bench at the
time late third had thirty one points and TJ had
a really nice end one, and you know it was like, okay,
(15:39):
here they come, They're coming, They're coming back. You know,
they got it to eighty seven to seventy nine. Jalen
hit a tough shot to close that quarter, and Siakam
got going as well.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I think he hit like a three and it was
ninety two to eighty six with plenty you know early
on Siaka, you know, just he hit another three, got
into ninety five ninety three.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
But right away, just like they did in the damn
you know the Timberwolves series, where you're you're two points
away and next thing you know, it's it's a three
point shot and it's a steal and it's a bucket,
and then it's a time out, and dort would picked
up the fourth fall, then he hit a rainbow three
and then jailing high off the glass. Like it just
(16:26):
they just didn't have enough answers and they just got
a lot of like like their studs obviously, you know,
jailing forty points thirty one for Alexander, thirteen to fourteen
from the line. But you know, also like Wiggins hit
four threes, Wallace hit three threes. Dort hit three threes.
(16:51):
It was just the turnovers early and late just kind
of caught up with them, and there was really it
felt like nothing they were gonna build to do. And
at the same time, you can see during this game,
I think it was the second quarter when Halliburton left
and then came back and you're like, man, I wonder
(17:12):
if he's okay, And then you could kind of tell
he was just super passive, didn't hit a field goal,
got going because he was able to get to the
free throw line.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
But you know, hell of a game. They made it close.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Like I said, I think that had they knocked down
some earlier shots and been in the game and not
have to come back so much throughout the game, maybe
they would have done better down the stretch. But these
games four, in games five, it just it really looked like, okay,
see Halliburton or not Halliburton, because Haliburton was there for
(17:49):
game four obviously, it just felt like, I don't know,
like we'll go back to game four really quick too,
like in a second, because they had.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That fucking game like Indiana, Yeah, like that was their game, man.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
But overall Game five, you know, okay, see just just
closed it out man, like they're they're just they're a
damn good team. And we were just talking about it
before we hit record, you know, and just in general,
h you mentioned earlier that you know it's gonna be
tough to keep all the players, but at least going
(18:26):
in the next year.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They are just so damn deep and everybody's on the
same page.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Man.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
It just like when they when they hit threes at home,
that team is really hard to be because you know
their defenses relentless, They're going to force turnovers, they're gonna
put shots up sga at Holbe is gonna play bear
out of the road.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
I didn't think the rest were a huge part of
last night. I think they just played really good basketball,
like for like like the five minutes stretch like to
it's the they were on a huge run they just
couldn't miss.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
So you already have like a pretty well oiled machine
with Jayla.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Willis played his ass off and hard side making his
couple of buckets here and there. But if you got
their role guys or their wigs hitting threes, you're not
gonna beat that team.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You're just not. Ye, That's what happened.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Last night, like the Pacers made a belly comeback, but
whether whether threes are dropping and everyone's kind of a groove,
like dude, good luck, like the Pacers did it quit.
But that yeah, you're you're not gonna beat them where
they're win or hit threes. That's they're they're already too
much to deal with.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, and then you know what's scary is they couldn't
beat them when they're three of sixteen either. Yeah, in
the game real quick going to game three, uh, Matthermin
was going crazy. That was a competitive game the whole time.
And okay, see at one point it was eighteen to
eleven with the turnovers. They had a bunch of turnovers
(19:55):
a game three and it was like twenty one to
ten for points off those turnovers. You know, hal Burton
had it going topping had these rebound dunks. They just
as a full team once again. They they just they
closed out game three and I got yeah in game
(20:17):
three when they're up two to one, man, you know,
you know we've actually seen Boston was up two to one.
Uh was Phoenix up to zip and then they lost.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Straight four straight?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Or was it two to one? And they lost four straight?
So I can't remember Phoenix was up to to zero
and that wasn't.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Were they or was it Phoenix verse?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Who?
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
When they made the run to the was it Milwaukee? Oh,
Milwaukee beat them?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
That wasn't that the matchup? Remember with Chris Paul bast
Ball what do you know got hurt in June?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
They made the finals not long ago?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, I can't remember. Obviously in twenty twenty one, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Either way they were Uh, I know you remember the
Celtics one because it's your golden state.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, sometimes you can get
lost in that two for one. What was your mind
state after Game three though?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
When Boston or not Boston, but when Indies up and
you're thinking, wow, like did you kind of feel like, yeah,
it's not over.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
They're not gonna win, They're not gonna go, you know,
win the next two right away.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But I got admit I didn't necessarily think they'd lose
the next two either.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
You know. Yeah, that that game four was that really
was a hell of a basketball game. Uh. I don't
care what Doris Brooke says.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
There's no rule NBA that says you're allowed to take
three steps to push them it off, like and that
was a huge play. But like I watched that play
live at SGA did just push off and he lost
the ball. He picked it up, he took three steps
hit a dumper, which one of the biggest shots in
the game. And then she comes out and says, well,
when you gather the ball, you get two steps. That's
(22:12):
news to me because in my world of coaching basketball,
to see in basketball, if if somebody got spice to
the ball, like he never lost it, but you're justifying
him taking one, two, three steps in front of the
ref It don't travel like you know, I don't that's
what it was. Places where it's like that was such
a huge shot at the gable, like, but the announcer
(22:34):
said with the gatherer lost two steps. I would like
to see that rule book printing because I didn't know
that if you fumble the ball, you know you really
lose it, you get two free steps.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Plus the third one for fun. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
But the only thing that like, and I I think
it's because like all my Wolves friends are like tired
of SGA because he's the pre throw birch. But I
will say, like he does shove a lot now he
does it good, he's quick with it, but the a
lount of times that he will shove someone off and
get space for a shot. You really should let that
shit happen, Like that's against the rules. I know he
(23:10):
kind of has mastered it, but still, how does he
do that every game of the rest is kind of
let it go, don't. I know, there's like the Star
treatment for NBA players that it's part of the game,
But like, dude, you're always shoved, shove, shove, and it's
not a full extension but still a quick blow pop.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Like, I'm really surprised that he gets with as much
as he does.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
That's what's talking.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
About Game three though not game four. Game three, how were.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You thinking after that? Did you have it in your
mind that the Pacers they might wrap this up game
six or something like that?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Sorry, oh my bad, Yeah, it froze out. Yes, I
thought very good about that. Yeah, that because that was
great Pacers defense where they were physical, and that's we're
called but sorry to loop this all together. Let's get
that was a tremendous example of t defense where SGA
was being played physical. There was not let's shove it.
If there was this back and forth. Hey, cool, that's fine,
let him play. Yeah, I don't think many people expected that.
(24:05):
We both did say on the podcast last week, Hey,
we both think it'll be two to two.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
The Pacers played dominant whole perform us the way they
did that was not expected whatsoever. So yes, that part
had me very surprised with how strong of a game
they played.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yes, for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, it had me really thinking, like man, just like
that the Pacers, you know, and obviously I was thinking
selfishly with that plus nine ten MVP that I had,
you know before the series started. Yes, that was too much.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
He just moved into a bad spot.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Okay, all right, okay, all right, got.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
You, Okay, you're good right here. Well we'll see. But yeah,
to your point, in the fourth quarter, just in general,
but the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Of Game four, I thought that, I mean, looking down
the stretch of that game, like Indiana was in a
good spot.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You know, we talked about if it's close, we we
you know, we generally believe that Indiana's gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Close it out, and it was close in Game three,
they closed it out, and you're thinking all the while,
you know, there's there's less than four minutes left, Haliburton
got it going. He at the time, with like a
three fifty two left, they had a three point lead,
and uh he had eight points out of an eighteen
in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You're like, okay, that's coming.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But then that jumper, the little step back jumper, okay,
see took the lead and in that quarter at some
point it was twenty five to sixteen, and they went
on a nine to zero run to get up one
O eight one O three with twenty three seven or
twenty three seconds left. Uh, just the way they you know,
(25:49):
Mathroom got falled. It would have been a long shot,
but Mathroom got falled and he missed both of the
free throws. You know, I think SGA made five eight shots.
So to your point, you know, the push out thing,
it's like Jordan's one of the most iconic shot of
(26:12):
Jordan is him pushing Russell off.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Clear. Yeah, but people don't fucking have a problem with
that at all because it's Mike, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
But I mean it is clear as day because Russell
had caught up to his move and so he had
to create that thing. But what I look at the
SGA thing is I think he's almost like a wide
receiver where he lets them create contact and then at
that split second he's like oh clear, oh you know,
And that's why I think he keeps getting away with it.
(26:44):
But then again to your point, okay, see is and
we talked about this before, is their handsy as fuck?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
So I think that they're handsy like that to the
point where you can't call it all the time. Even
if you're calling a tight game, you still can't call
it all the time. So we're just gonna that that's
the problem. It's like, if you're gonna let him do that,
then you gotta let other stuff slide then too. That's
kind of where it is. It's like, because some of
those SGA is clearly pushing off a step it back
(27:15):
and get in space. But some of it is the
I guess you could say the defender like a cornerback,
you know, put his hands on him a little bit,
and then he just cleared space.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
So I just wish it would be more consistent.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
That's and I understand basketball the angles, you can't see everything.
I'm not you're not gonna call a perfect game, but
I do wish that it would just like either you
let him play for the most part, or you don't
you know, don't do this in between, because then it
looks like, well you just let him push, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
But yet on the other side, you called that fall.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So but he he's great at what he does. There
are just players in the league, you know, every generation
has multiple players that just find the way.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
You know, I don't mind, Like if someone's.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
In your space and you just clear you know, yeah,
that's on you.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You know, too bad. You got to have your mind ready,
you know.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Or if someone has a like if they want to
get in the bonus, they'll just do that, and that's
smart play. Chris Paul does that shit. Even D'Angel Russell
will do that. So that type of stuff I think
is strategic and all that. But yeah, the whole both ways,
you gotta you gotta call.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It both ways. And uh, didn't people get mad?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
You know? And and and also he just he falls
a lot on the ground and it's just like, dude,
there's no way they hit you that hard. You're you're
six six, dude, You're not weak, you know what I mean.
So yeah, I don't know, some guys just mastered that,
and then other guys they can't do it like aunt
can't he can't.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Draw that same contact. He just he's just not built
like that. You know, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Is not even flopping, but just in general he actually
goes away from the guy to try to make the shot.
But there are some times and actually Jefferson said it
in that moment where SGS SGA got up and I
think it was then hard. He could have just he
could have went like that and you know, took the shot.
(29:16):
It would have been three point play, yeah, three point play,
but three you know, but he didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And it's like, no, that that's where you got, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So it's somewhere in between a really smart strategy heads
he played.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
But also you know, call it both ways, like I
just or don't call it, you know, whichever, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I yeah, I agree, And he has mastered the craft
of get you look, which to his credit that that's
a hard percent fair. It's just it's also yeah, yeah,
it is, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Because because there's that you know, the NBA logo, there's
that did you ever show that or that ever test
that NBA logo of SGA. It's like him sideways like flailing,
but you know, he's just been steady pretty much every game,
whether he gets to the free throw or not. But
(30:08):
these last three, dude, like Jada has just really solidified himself.
Will be forty points last night, I think it was
twenty six, twenty seven or twenty five twenty six, forty, Like,
you know, a lot in the other guys have been solid.
They've gotten you know, whether it's Caruso or they they've gotten.
(30:29):
I went over how many three point shot? You know,
so this dude hit three, the other dude at four.
Like they've just gotten what they need off the bench,
playing a really good bench team, right even when they
they lost the bench.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
But you wouldn't even know it really, you know, but
they just I.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Don't know, man, they just they just those two guys
have solidified themself.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
And that was the thing going in this year.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
You know, the supporting cast, you know, the big three
in the supporting cast. Will the number two and number
three show up like they needed to last year?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
They didn't?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
This year they have. And yeah it's scary, man, because
they're they're young, and they're just gonna get better, like.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You know, so we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
But you know, I don't know, man, they're they're damn
good dude.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
It's say with their coach too, Like their coach is
probably taking a couple l's this year that he should
have and I'm sure they're gonna around, especially against weds
Woods Rig But he's only a girls coach too, Like
I think for years they got lucky like Kerr. Kerr
was kind of like lucky to endorse TV Dick because
he did have a lot of experiences. He probably you know,
he's made his calls. But like coaches like Pop eight,
(31:44):
like Carlisle, he he's probably the reason why the Pacers
are where they're at, Like he's a great fucking coach,
like you know, so how that Daniel's only got a
lord more because he had the the slip up game
what against Denverard, which people give him some crap for
now he's had big here, but you gotta figure it
next year as well, because you know, everyone like speaking
the Timberwolves, which you and my friends love, like people
(32:07):
love Fitch as a coach, like and he's not gonna
get better. You Also, it's really fair to mention Dad
at all, like he's a pretty like you know, young coach,
but he'll get better too, and coach he does matter.
I know it's not like somebody we talked about a lot,
but like sp I love that guy. Spots has made
a lot of teams like you also, that's the other
part of the team where they're growing as a team
and they have a young coach growing with him too,
(32:27):
which is only Goetta unfortunately make the better for the
rest of the league.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, and then like we've said this whole process and
we end up saying it a lot anyway, Uh, with
the NBA show, it's just like every every team has
a different stage that it has to go through.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Times it only takes two years, and it kind of
like three years really because lot you know, two years
ago they were in the plan and actually the the
the they played, uh they played Minnesota, that's your Denver
one because we played him in the first round. And
and then last year they're in the number one seed,
(33:06):
they end up getting beat and then now they come
back and yeah, they are growing, dude, they have a lot.
It's funny because even like you said, like so, they
they've had multiple times where they lose Game one, they
get their ass kicked and it's a two to one
series and it's a tight game.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
They end up closing that out at on the road
at Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You know, so they've really and in this series, they're
down two to one, they lose their you know, they
lose the first fucking game, you know, and you're like, oh, dude,
this fuck, fuck this Haliburton guy. Who the hell is
this guy? You know, like, but yet they didn't blink.
They came right back, and now they've served in the
end of their first two losses since.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
March in a row.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
So yeah, and to your point, Finch even admitted, you know,
because he has this free flowing very uh, it gives
the play.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
A whole lot. They don't really have much of a leash.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
And he even said, I got to tighten that shit
up at times in the game, and we have to
go to play calling, we have to be more focused,
and we have to really.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Kind of not spoon feed it.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
But just obviously we're failing in some of those scenarios.
So instead of doing the free flow, I gotta make
some tweaks and so hopefully that happens. Just from a
Timberl's perspective, but yeah, you're right, it's a you know,
heading into Thursday's game. We're both on the same page
where if Halliburton was healthy or if randomly he's just
(34:40):
they the MRI comes back negative and they've shoot some
quarter zone and he feels okay. You know, who knows
that could happen.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
You never know.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
But knowing what we know now and knowing how.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Seeing him on that court, it's just tough. It's difficult
to pick the Pacers. They'd have to go nuts. Now
they have a deep team to do it, but they
would have to hit like twenty threes.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Dude, you know, yeah, but I'd be saying thing, let's
say SGA has food poison, he's out for tomorrow, Okay,
Like okay, well I'd be picking the Pacers of a
heartbeat of SGA was out. So it's just when your catalysts,
like your quarterback on your football team is out, your backup.
And we went through some Minneapolis Viking er minsloona Viiking back,
(35:25):
the quarterback playoff games or the count you know, like
when you with the Peters out. There's so many intangibles
like if was out, I still might bet idiot or
Miles Turner shirt. But Halliburton, who handles the ball pretty
well as you can versus that great half court defense. Yeah,
him out, or if he pulls Aaron Gordon and plays
at sixty percent, you know versus Okay, see, like Eric
(35:49):
Gordon tried that, it didn't go so well for him either.
You know, I don't know, because if Halbertson does play
baked up, it's gonna be picking.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Roll all day.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
They're gonna expose it defensively to the point where he's
he have to come off the court at that point,
are you benfigure team?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Not really?
Speaker 4 (36:02):
I know you want to be out there for your boys,
but if you're giving up defensive lapses consistently, Carlisle's not suit.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
But he's gonna have to pull them out.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
And the fact that they pulled him out before the
second quarter ended and then they brought him back like
I mentioned earlier, but he was like, what the.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Hell would he be doing out right now? Anyway? Like,
we need to keep this game as close as you can,
you know. So that was kind of a tell right there.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
So so in the end, you think it's probably gonna
be a done deal. Four to two, pretty damn good
series either way, though.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yeah, I think it's been a great series, but we
both expected hopefully they're at raise whatever we're fans that'd
be's goed away. He's been a very fun watch, good
for small market stories. We could have repeat next year.
These teams are both pretty well built out. All the
Pacers cree agency as much as the Okay see, but
they're still pretty good.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, they're both gonna have a lot of their team back,
that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
They really the Pacers. Lily' a true high, high level superstar.
It's gonna be like I want fifty MILLI you know,
maybe Halburton's gonna a little bit, say with Seaka, but
these are two teams we're gonna be around again. So yeah,
I do think it is sad that Halbert's hurt. But again,
since we've started this podcast, almost every single year the
championship has been decided. Like if we're doing a pie chart,
(37:20):
about thirty three percent of the pie charts like due
to injuries of a key player, whether benefit or You're
all right, you're frozen. I can't hear you right now,
but don't hang injuries. It's part of basketball. But I
don't feel you that we're gonna win the Pacers. I
think they would have won if Halburton was healthy. But yeah,
(37:44):
I'm saying, okay, see, maybe they get a little bit
of a punch from Pacers. They're not gonna quit, but
I think okay, see Woods by double digits in game six.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, and when they're in these advances, you know, when
they have, when they're in this predicament, this opportunity to
do it, they usually jump on it. And it would
be crazy to beat them three straight times. I wouldn't
have thought either of these teams could beat each other
three times. But you know, yeah, if you see Haliburton
kind of just camping around, that's not gonna be good.
(38:14):
So if it does go to game seven, we'll probably
do a Monday show because obviously, yeah, Thursday and then
Sunday would be the game. So what we'll come back Monday.
If not, we'll just kind of play it by ear
with the free agency stuff, and it might be a
(38:35):
Draft night trade because the way it's gonna work, it's
like Brooklyn has money. Other teams can maneuver. But for
the most part, if you're talking about someone making forty
five fifty to fifty five sixty, if you're talking about
a big contract, shit, even if you're talking about a
twenty five to thirty million player, maybe like a Randall
(38:57):
or nas Reed, you know, in that realm, like you're
gonna have to trade them more likely if they want
to sign someplace because people just don't have the money
this year. So it does sound like whether it's we
know Durant's getting traded, it's just a matter who. But
Yannis is still potentially out there to get traded maybe too.
(39:19):
So we're gonna kind of play it by year.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
It won't be the normal.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
You know, they're gonna wine and dine five different teams
and all that because people just don't have the money.
So it's it's you know, it's gonna be signing trade.
And I wouldn't doubt if the Timberwolves is involved somewhere.
Maybe not the KD maybe well, I don't think gyannest.
I think the thing about the Timberwlves is they just
don't have enough draft picks to throw in. We probably
(39:47):
have the most ready to win right now players we
can give to you you know, yeah, but are they
looking for a combination of picks ready and young? You know,
that's that's probab where we lose out but it does
sound like, you know, the sign and trade is gonna
be a big thing. So it might be mid July.
(40:08):
It could be you know, Duran could get moved Draft night.
You know who knows the way they talk about it,
it keeps changing. So we'll just kind of play it
by ear as far as that goes. But like I said,
if it goes game seven, well we'll have a show Monday. Otherwise,
you know, kind of stick around with us. We'll do uh,
(40:29):
you know, give our thoughts and break down some of
the big trades or moves when it comes to free agency.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Man, August thirtieth, there's like that's week zero slash week one.
There's like five great cult football games. So we'll be
back to before. You don't because college football this this
week one is gonna be off the rails, so and
I know it. Enjoy the weather, get outside, play some golf.
The boys are out.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Have good eight. Peace,
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