Sheeraz Destroys Berlanga! Preview Usyk vs Dubois, Pac/Barrios, Fundora/Tszyu2! Weekend Recap!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, what boxing fans, This is the Rope of Dope
radio podcast. I am your host, Chris Carlson. We are
live once again on a Tuesday night. Can you believe it?
We have a lot to talk about, right, A lot
of recap and a lot of preview, some debate, predictions,
all that good stuff, you know. Unfortunately, Taylor Serrano the trilogy,

(00:27):
although the crowd was they showed up, right, it was phenomenal.
That crowd was crazy, right. The gate did very very
well and the rating was very very very good. Right,
But the fight, you know, it just wasn't that good.

(00:49):
Just wasn't that good, right. I really don't know what
Amanda and her trainer were thinking. To you, is that
game plan for basically the whole fight trying to outbox
a boxer. That's kind of wild, But we will talk

(01:10):
about it. We'll talk a little bit about the undercard
as well. We did have an upset, you know, it
looked like kind of showcase stuff on the undercard, but
we had an upset by Green beaten Marshall. And then
we almost had an upset Bomb Gardner was in a tough,
tough fight. Then we go over to the disowned pay

(01:33):
per view card, and we'll talk about the four main
fights on the car to really like highly competitive fights.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
You know, with.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Katayev and Morel could have went either way. Same with Mattias.
And then you know, a lot a lot of people
asking for schrekor Stevenson to stand in the pocket in bang,
you know what I mean, And that's exactly what he did.
You know, he made some adjustments in the second half

(02:09):
of the fight that maybe he would do a little earlier,
and it was a it was an entertaining fight and
a great performance by chakor Stevenson. And then of course
the main event, Chiraz in Berlanga. Now, I was not

(02:30):
high on Berlanga, as you know, and I got a
variety of messages and also saw a bunch all week
of people saying Berlanga is gonna knock out Charras, And
like I said, I got messages saying that, saying I'm crazy.
I wasn't trying to big up Charaz, you know, I
just didn't. I don't know, I mean I even said it.

(02:53):
Maybe I'm biased, you know, because I do think I'm
a little biased, you know, for how much I just
don't think Berlang is all that good at all. But
I have to admit two things one, well three things. One,
I didn't think he'd knock him out that way that quick.

(03:14):
You know, of course, with a knockout you never know
the punch that changes or the series of punches that
changes a fight. He can happen the first round, fifth round,
eighth round, whatever, right, but I did I didn't think
it would be that early, that's for sure too. I
did lose the decision bet, right because I had Charaz

(03:35):
by decision, but also as the week, like I said,
Number three is I did win the ko bet though
with Charas because I didn't have it bet the night
of the show. But as the week went on, like
I said, these messages and just seeing people downgrade Chiaz,

(03:56):
that's fine as far as saying he's not top free
in the at super middleweight or something like that, right,
or the fact that he beat he lost the ottomus
I beat him, he lost to him, should have lost
that fight. But the more I thought about it, you know,
it got to the point where I'm like, you know,

(04:16):
that is a good point that it'll probably end in
a stoppage. The more I thought about it, and so
I ended up getting a plus plus number, So that
was nice. Let's see, oh and then you know, we'll
just talk about a variety of other stuff. Of course,
Usik du bois to right coming up? Was that just

(04:41):
a flash in the pan? Low blow that looked like
it was at least waistline. You could say it was low,
but it wasn't that low. Will that play a part
in this fight or will Usik continue to just do
what he does? And beyond that point there wasn't a

(05:04):
ton of rounds you could give Daniel Dubois for being honest.
Is USA gonna get it done? Manny Pacyao who returns
for better or for worse, especially with such a long
layoff when you look at it, Yeah, Usik usk Yeah,

(05:25):
Ugas is what I meant to say. Is a much
different fighter or higher level fighter too than Barrios. So
I'm not trying to, you know, put him in the
same sentence I kind of did. But you know, like
how he looked in that fight. Shit, even the clips

(05:46):
I saw in that exhibition, like he just looks so washed.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Man.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
However, the undercard Fundora Zoo pit Bull Fierro we also
have Bam was a kafu and actually Pachecko and McCombe.
I'm kind of looking forward to that fight. Let's see
if mccomby can make Pacheco work for it. Obviously, having

(06:12):
a pay per view during the day and then at
night is ridiculous. Having three in a matter of seven
days of a week is ridiculous. If you back it
up two more weeks, you know you're talking about four,
but three in a matter of seven days in a week,

(06:34):
basically from Saturday to Saturday. You know, it's fucking ridiculous.
And the crazy thing is we're at the halfway point
basically of the year, and that we've already had that twice.
We've already had that predicament twice because we had it
back in late April in May. Now, you don't have
to buy all these pay per views, right of course,

(06:57):
no one's putting a gun to your head. And the
crazy thing about these pay per views, and we'll talk
a little bit about this because I did every time
I talk about this situation. I do get our scenario
of too many pay per views just in general. But
if we're looking at what Turkey and Masaudi money has
done one subscribers show otherwise they're all pay per view

(07:20):
and then he goes right around in four to eight
hours and he puts them online on YouTube. It's what's
the point of it? Then? Why have it on pay
per view of two days later? You're just gonna put
the shit on YouTube?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
I mean, at the very minimum, just stream it on well,
you know, streaming on his own whatever, but streaming on
YouTube then. And I'm not saying all the fights. I
get that some of them are going to be on
pay per view, but.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Imagine if you did a time buy that led to
a even if it was a small, like it's just
a decent you know, licensing fee, or just a small
licensing fee with somebody like I said, or a time
buy or whatever. It just this card was phenomenal, man,
it was phenomenal. And they've had great matchups. Yeah, they've

(08:19):
had some mediocres and bullshit ones, and obviously those back
to back cards really did suck, you know, in May garbage, right,
But it's just crazy, dude, It's crazy that this could
have been on. But we'll get into it. We'll get
into it also, Germonte Davis, Boil Boil Boy. We're not

(08:46):
gonna get too deep into the details because we don't
know everything right, And ever since I started doing a podcast, shit,
ever since I've basically in the two thousand ish, maybe
even late nineties, when where he's like this come up,
I just have so much experience of wait and see.

(09:06):
And that's not to say sometimes it's not to say
that he didn't do anything right, or an athlete doesn't
do anything because they do right, or celebrity or whatever.
A look at the Johnny Depp situation like it can
go either way, and honestly, sometimes it's way worse than

(09:26):
first reported and it could be way you know, So
we don't know, don't We don't know, but I will
talk minorly about it. Jake Paul is sniffing around on
two fights. One was AJ, one was body Jack, and
then some other interesting fights that are in TX or

(09:47):
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direct TV Strength. Anyway, What the hell? What in the
hell was Serrano in her corner? In general thinking and honestly,

(11:19):
as the fight was going on, you could see Amanda
sitting there in the corner, you know, between the breaks
of course, and it's almost like she had this, man,
I hope this works. I really fucking hope this works,
you know, and you know, for about whatever a few rounds,

(11:44):
a handful of rounds until you maybe the first four
it wasn't that bad. There were close rounds and all that,
but you know, at some point you just saw Taylor
winning more rounds.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
You know.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
It's not that it was just some runaway eight to two.
I don't think it was. Two of the scorecards were
ninety seven three, one of them ninety five ninety five
six' four is WHAT i actually had, it BECAUSE i
do think there were some like in the second, round
you Know serronto jabbing a nice early, left you, know

(12:34):
a left hand a little later in that, round maybe
one or two about two ish counters From taylor in that.
Round in the third, round there was a few good,
exchanges AND i just thought the counter punching was. There
the fourth round was really. Close serrano actually landed a

(12:56):
counter right with the, jab few nice left hooks right,
hand a few good lands. THERE i Gave serrano the
second and the. Fourth the seventh was another close one
that could have went either, way but just because it
was really. Slow the sixth ROUND i thought was really.
Competitive there was a head clash in it was, close
but the pressure and the jabs came For. Serrano the

(13:18):
combinations and more counters came from. Tailor LIKE i, said
the seventh was. CLOSE i did give the. EIGHTH i
thought the pressure and the better overall, shots although there
was a nice counter. LATE i thought that was Enough.
Serrano but then you Know taylor with the just, landing
the left hooks and right hands were. Money and the

(13:42):
first round was just so damn.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Slow you know WHAT i?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Mean it, WAS i don't, know it was pretty. Slow
i'll just say. That i'll just say. That it just you,
know when you have, trilogies you're bound to have a
very mediocre and that's probably putting it. Nicely you're bound
to have a mediocre, fight. Right you just, are you just,

(14:08):
Are and we got. It it was, boring it was.
Slow obviously it had a lot to live up. To
that Didn't that didn't help the. SITUATION i still think
it should be one one one or something like, that you,
know just BECAUSE i did Think taylor won this. Fight

(14:32):
it's not like she looked, phenomenal, right they both look.
Faded they both looked. Old But serrano AND i get.
It you, know we can sit here and say all,
day why the hell did you do that game? Plan
but you, Know serrano In taylor took a lot of
punishment in those two, fights And serrano's style has been that.
WAY i JUST i can see revving, up you, know

(14:55):
and then going. Off AND i, also you, know speaking
of serrano game, PLAN i can see starting that way
and then you, know adding and adding and. Adding but
when you're talking about ten rounds and not twelve, rounds
when you're talking about two minutes and not three, minutes
there's just not a whole lot of time for that

(15:17):
kind of game plan when that's not how you. FIGHT
i do, understand LIKE i, said the punishment that you've.
TAKEN i also, understand like you, know you, THINKING i
can't stand too much in front of her for too
long because you do get, countered, Right SO i get that,

(15:38):
Part but it just had to be more like if
you're gonna you're gonna be Beat, taylor it had to
be more, now of, course, right Playing Devil's, Advocate, well
she did land a lot more in the first two
fights and threw a lot, more, right and Compy marx

(15:58):
is not something to be one hundred percent trusted with the.
Numbers so you, know did she really land that many
more punches in the second? Fight probably, not but you
could clearly say see she was landing. More but so
my point, is, well she could turn around in the,
corner could turn around and, say, hey you could SAY

(16:19):
i shouldn't, have you, know fought that, style but look
where it got me in the first two. FIGHTS i
got two. L's SO i just, think if you're gonna
do that, style it has to at least be more in,
between you know WHAT i. Mean it could be a little.
Smarter you can get your punches, off you can take
a step, back take a step to the, side, clinch
whatever you gotta. Do but you can't just try to

(16:42):
outbox the. Boxer the boxer who loves to outbox, people
and who can you, know counter. Punch it just played
right Into Katie, taylors right Into Katie taylor's. Hand so
that was kind of. Ridiculous you. Know it just, sucks you,

(17:02):
Know but overall it was a great. Event as far
as what it meant to women's, boxing the fact that
it was On, netflix, yes it does suck that it
wasn't more of a fun fight to. Watch as far
as the reports we have right, now two point six
million at the, GATE i think they said two point sixty.

(17:25):
Three that's a, healthy healthy gate almost six million, worldwide
and they said, it you, know it topped four. Million
it's a four point two live viewership. Number million viewership,
numbers so that was Our even if it's only two
or three, million that is a lot more than a

(17:46):
lot of things get. Nowadays as we, know ever since you,
know boxing went off the, networks that type of viewership
is just not there now as far as being able
to watch, it not still the stream or.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Whatever so.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
You, know, overall there was an. UPSET i did Think Shadishah, green,
Uh Shadeja, GREEN i MEAN i. DID i thought she
won the. FIGHT i know there was a split decision in,
there BUT i thought she won the. Fight Savannah, MARSHALL
i don't. Know it was a close. Fight i'm not saying,

(18:25):
that but my scorecard read the. Upset Elie scottney won.
Cleanly she looked really good Against mercado Chantel cameron, Won ali.
Won johnson was really you, know landing flush shots on

(18:46):
metcalf like her neck was snapping, back SO i thought
that was a good. Stoppage and Then miranda And Bomb,
Gardener Bomb. Gardener it just appears first of all two ninety,
eight ninety two's is. Ridiculous but it just appears that
she's looking for one shot at a. Time and when

(19:09):
we talk about the other, Card David morrell talking about
game plan and not sticking to. It, OH i See,
John Papaana poppy in.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Its just sucking.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Air, john you Know Bomb gardner's power ever since she got,
busted isn't there as much as it. Was but also,
sometimes let's say it's not even that. Right let's say
sometimes you can fall in love with the power where
you're just looking for one big shot and she was
getting hit on the way. In she wasn't setting up

(19:41):
her punches. Properly did she get to, win that's, Fine
but you, Know, miranda she's she was. Tough she was very,
tough and she she kept fighting. Back as soon as you, thought,
man she might be in a little, trouble, boom she'd fight.
Back and, then LIKE i, said she was catching her Stopping.
Alicia i'm in their tracks at, times So i'm governering

(20:03):
got the, win but she didn't look all that. Good
let's go ahead and bring In john into the. Fold
he should be popping up here in just a. Second
let me put my stuff on as, well, Alrighty so
all in, all you, know it was probably Get john

(20:25):
here in a. Second on one, hand it's a great
night for women's boxing because of what it. Meant on
the other, hand you, know let's not even though some
of the co features and the other card was better than.
Expected you, know you always get a bad, fight usually
in a. Trilogy well we got, one you, know we got.

(20:47):
One what's going? On? John are you?

Speaker 2 (20:49):
There?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Buddy?

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, chris how are? You i'm. Here i'm just trying
to Get, okay there we get there we. Go let
me see it's.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
All good if oh, yeah here we, go there we.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
GO i had a little uh double screen, there which
happened sometimes for a, MOMENT i.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Like what's right behind your shoulder?

Speaker 2 (21:08):
There, yeah my mom picked that out for me years years. Ago.
Mom of, Course i'll tell you. That, Yeah dad would
do a lot of, those but, mom uh picked that one.
OUT i still remember her describing when she got it
for me for a. Gift had the bottom description on,
it and she was figuring out if she was going

(21:30):
to have it edited to just have the reprint without the,
description and that's what she went. With but, yeah it
was The dempsey fur po about the painting from The
dempsey fur po ABOUT i remember that that's from that
one famous.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Painting So i've definitely seen that, image that is for. Sure,
yeah that's. Dope SO i was just kind of getting
into the week In RecA app obviously there's a lot of, it, Right.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah that's the and that's the one. POSITIVE i, mean
we had a lot of, action you, know so to,
speak not meaning every fight was, action but in terms
of you, know the sport had had some, activity but
nothing really compelling at least this, weekend this past weekend

(22:23):
and the weekend coming. Up there there was a quantity
of more compelling.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Stuff, yeah and that funny, enough the undercard of The
friday night show was better than, expected some of it. Anyway,
yes i'd say of two of the fights and then
you know the main. Event the thing you AND i
know about, trilogies right and or more, right and there
tends to be a stinker in. There there tends to
be a mediocre, fight, Right AND i have to ADMIT

(22:55):
i didn't mention it last, week but that fact does
remain that you don't even Ward gotti and all, that
you tend to get like the fury And. Wilder the
second fight was pretty one, sided, right so we just
got but at least you, had, like you, know some
big shots and you, know people getting knocked around the.

(23:16):
Ring we got ourselves just a mediocre type fight compared you,
know the bar was super high obviously from the first two.
Fights so on one, hand it's great because you, know
we got a little viewership. Numbers we know that the
gate was gonna be, healthy and it, was and so
it's like there's a lot of. Positives but, obviously, uh you,

(23:39):
know that's. Boxing sometimes you just you don't get everything
you want in, dessert you know WHAT i? Mean, Definitely
but what do you think? There because you, know obviously
the game plan was just wild From, serrano especially when
we're talking two minute rounds and ten rounds not. Twelve
that's a big risk to take against the boxer who

(24:02):
wants you to do. That but what are your thoughts?
Overall we could talk, about you, know whatever you want
on the undercard as, well but let's start at the
top of the top of the.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Shelf, YEAH i would say with it maybe the one
THING i didn't account for and taking all the fights
of the, weekend it felt pretty good about HOW i
was looking at him playing. OUT i didn't agree. NECESSARILY
i could see how the judges had it the way

(24:33):
they did And Tailor, serrano but that wasn't really exactly
the WAY i was looking at. It so you, Know
i'm more in the minority on this, one but not.
ALONE i, MEAN i felt, like even With serrano blowing
it in the last two, rounds that you could have
made a case that it was still. Rounds wasn't much

(24:57):
happening in the, rounds And that's Where i'm coming, from
right like six,' FOUR but i have to be. Completely,
fair certainly it was the type of, fight THAT like i,
always SAY and i felt it applied to, this one
like if you're not going to just alternate, rounds, saying well,
YOU know i think this, Fight's closed i'm going to

(25:17):
kind of give this close Round, to tailor give this Run.
TO serrno, I mean i could see how you got
the ninety seven. Ninety THREE like i do Agree That
steve weisfeld is arguably the best judge, out there and
you know he had It for taylor ninety seven. NINETY
three i could see how you could do it with
those rounds where nothing, was happening, you know if you

(25:37):
gave all Those, to taylor which you could because there wasn't,
much happening but you could also to me give Him.
To SERRANO BUT i i am pushing back on the,
you know tailor. Master, class yeah, decisive Win and I'm
not i'm not. Going there that's that's NOT what. I

(25:59):
saw i think if there was one thing in, THAT
one i felt LIKE maybe i, got wrong it was,
just that, You know serrano's thirty, six too, you know
like she's not. Twenty six, so yeah she was the, younger,
fighter right three years, younger fight, you, know right but three,

(26:20):
years younger but you know she's thirty six. As well
and like you said about sometimes in trilogies and even it,
rematches it it's not something you could say. Always happens
but and this was kind of one, of those, you
know you have the first and maybe in, a trilogy
the first. Two fights it's. Really intense both fighters take

(26:41):
a lot, of punishment put a lot, into IT and
i kind of go To, THAT teddy i do have
to go there with the little bit Of The teddy
atlas unspoken agreement kind. Of thing, you know you can't
question the hearts of. Either fighters you know what they've
done in the first, two bouts but they've taken a
lot out of, each other and it's kind, of like,
you know we're we're and this was one of those, to,

(27:02):
me like, you know we're not going to. Do that,
you know we're not going to do that. This time
and after a few rounds you could see it was
developing into one of those what was inexplicable to me Though,
for sarano but even it was in a sense consistent
with the first. Two FIGHTS and i did say that going,
in that, you know the one weakness to, me was,

(27:25):
You know sorrano the gas tank and you know she
she just gave away the last two rounds in. THIS one,
i mean unless she just couldn't, do more but her
corner was telling, HER not, i mean just giving her
insane advice going into, the tent saying you've, got this
don't don't. DO anything, i mean that. WAS whacked, i

(27:47):
mean that was just terrible, and whacked and she gave
and she lost the round, Before that so it wasn't
even like the first FIGHT where i, feel that, you
know she let tailor back into it but then turned
it on in the TENTH AND i i thought she clearly.
Took it even though the judges all Want with taylor
in the, first fight here there was Nothing from serrano in.
The tenth there Wasn't that taylor was doing anything dramatic

(28:09):
even in, the Ninth but sarana was. DOING nothing, i
thought even though it was a really bad look later in,
THE fight i thought it was overrated by the people that,
to me were putting a little too Much on taylor's
performance where, they, said oh, You know sarana was punching.
That air she did do that late in, the fight
which again was inexplicable and looked, really bad but it

(28:32):
wasn't something that was going on like through the full.
Ten rounds, to me like she did she show a
lack of aggression where she should have been. More, AGGRESSIVE yes,
i mean don't get, me wrong but the punch in that,
air thing her overdoing it that much. Was late it
wasn't like through the full ten, rounds now she was

(28:55):
not as aggressive as she should have because she's clearly the,
harder puncher and you could still eat and see that in.
THIS fight i mean there was one time a little
bit later before she gave away the last two rounds
that she landed a good shot seemed To get. Taylor's
ATTENTION but i have to even say on replay it
wasn't quite as good of a SHOT as i thought,
it was but it looked it looked in live action

(29:19):
like a real. Good, shot so, you know, And look
I've Liked. KATIE taylor i still. LIKE her i just, you,
know thought, you, know really, to me in all three of,
these fights you could have given Them. To serrano and,
YOU know I thought taylor did a great job in
the camera, and rematch, you know completely turning. Things around that,
Was fantastic and a lot of people criticized her. IN

(29:42):
that i believe it was that pursuing fight thinking. SHE
lost i didn't think she. Lost THAT so i just
want to make, it CLEAR like i Like Tailor, katie
taylor what she's done for, the sport like where she
carries herself. ON everything i just didn't, think that, you know,
you know she had the performances in these fights that
a lot of people thought. She did the, FIRST fight
i thought she totally came on after being in, bad

(30:03):
trouble no doubt. About THAT but i just didn't think
she won the tenth and that.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Was ENOUGH and i wasn't back and watched that. Tenth,
round uh, you know just because you mentioned it again
and you're, Right on you're totally. Right on she. Won
that serrano won.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
That ROUND and i think that's what's really missed about that,
first fight because you know that Rally. BY taylor I
gave taylor all those rounds in the first fight going
up to that. Point too but it's like, you said
the judges got caught up in the, psychological bit oh want.
To comeback she didn't win that. TENTH round, I mean
sorano then was, holding back, holding back made sure she
won the tenth and then three judges are giving It.

(30:40):
To tailor you know that was, you know that was a.
Head scratcher and the, second fight a lot, of people,
you Know thought, serrano won but, you know it wasn't
wasn't a. Great fight certainly wasn't a great Performance, By
SORANO but i don't think it was a great Performance by,
Taylor either and there were people that. Said that, to
me the netflix was the strength, of it, YOU know

(31:02):
i Like, ANDRE ward, I mean estrada, was okay it
wasn't that it was like a great commentary though. Or
ANYTHING but i was thinking what other people, put up
and for me it really played OUT because i had
Just Added netflix PREMIUM and i, concur that like, YOU
know i was having trouble put a finger, on IT

(31:23):
but i concur with what a lot of people, were posting,
you know after late and after, the fight like it just.
Looked good, you know something about it looked. REALLY good
i couldn't even even now can't say exactly what, it
was but it. Looked good it looked more like a.
Big event whatever they were doing with, the visuals it was.

(31:45):
REALLY good, i mean and, you know, some again like,
we said, some credits some Credit To jake paula that
he's not doing bad as. A promoter so that. Was
great and you know THAT'S what i was really cared
a lot about for, this event is, you know we
need Boxing, on netflix and it's gonna fit with what
we're talking about last weekend and then this weekend they're,

(32:07):
you know really some credible writers Left Like matthew Aguilar And.
Cliff rolled we're talking over the weekend like you just
and you've been, Saying, it CHRIS and i. TOTALLY agree,
i say, it too but you've really been saying it
like you can't have all these pay. PER views, I
Mean Turkey ala sheikh's missing the boat, on this like
he's making matchups better than we. Were getting but with

(32:29):
the diminished part of, the sport they're not that great
because there's not as that. Much left but then their
pay per view and they're going invisible IN, The us
so what's. The MATTER but i don't want to divert
too much where we're So On, friday NIGHT but i
think it ties In because netflix is the antidote. TO that,
I mean netflix is basically like what YOU and i, are, saying,
like look this is what's got to. BE done, i

(32:49):
mean you've got to be out there where people can see.
This Stuff And friday night. WAS that i mean it
might not have been a great, main event but like,
you said we got some better stuff on the under
card and we probably had the right. To expect so
main event. NOT great i.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Think crowd great job by highlighting, the crowd and, you're
right there was just a professionalism to it and it,
felt big, you know and not just because of, the
crowd like, you said. It was it was, well broadcast
no doubt. About it it.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Was and the gardens a great setting for that because
that's really historic. For boxing now what they Completely BLEW
and i think this Is Where, jake paul like like
being a novice even following, THE sport, i think actually
this is where you see this IS that, I mean,
i know we. Get it in Fairness To. Jake paul
all the other promotions, do, this OKAY but I Think

(33:42):
jake paul my senses and the guy that he does,
it with you know who was a High profile friday
night like thinks this is just the way you do it,
in boxing like this, This insane like there's eighteen world title,
you know eighteen belts on the line in.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
This car that's a record twenty one or something.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Like, that yeah and then they say and then, they,
SAID like i mean this is bad because like, to
me this is, where boxing baseball and really, you, know
soccer you know Football in europe are linked like now
and this is where boxing has, an edge but. They're
linked like the history of the sports is all, really
important especially in like soccer slash football and baseball because

(34:28):
fly comes soccer right, quite frankly it's not, that exciting
like like the, sports itself like in the, modern world,
like baseball and Even though i'm a fan of, this
stuff but, like, baseball, soccer football, you know the game
itself not all, that thrilling but it's the history and what. It.
Means now boxing has an advantage where, you know when

(34:51):
you have a great fight in, the ring it's it's
arguably more exciting than. Any sport but it's been around.
So long the history. Is important and when you this
crap like the eighteen, you know belts on the, line
tonight it's a Record and i'm doing this off the
top of my head without, replaying IT but I think

(35:12):
i heard, This RIGHT like i just chuckled as, a historian,
THEY said i guess they were Referring, to serrano like
she's The First puerto rican undisputed, Champion ever like You
Had carlos ortiz an all time.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Great when nobody give, to it if you're going to, say,
that yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
When nobody gave a shit about these alphabet belts, and
everything proving myself so, much so like, you know he
he was a one, forty champ didn't care, about that
and then made sure you know he was a, you
know the The lightweight champ and you know that that's where,
you know he really made, his mark and like, you

(35:50):
Know and i'm Hearing like carlos like So Like carlos
ortiz wasn't like. The chance it's like what are we talking?
About here like and SO when i Pointed out Jake,
paul is that's REALLY what I think i am seeing
and the guy he does it with like they're so
new to it that like.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
That it doesn't make sense that they. Do that, You, know.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah they hear this stuff now and, they, think oh
that's just the way you. Do it And like i'm
the first to say all the other promotions are. Doing
It but, i'm, like guy you're coming in. Something different
you Got the, Netflix, deal like don't do what all
these other idiots. Are doing eighteen eighteen world, title belts
it's a record and just making up all this nonsense

(36:31):
like kind of like you could be better. Than that You're,
On netflix You're In Madison square guard and just go on.
The history stop all the. Alphabet nonsense, you know learn the.
Real history and you know there's people you could hire to.
Do that they had a cast of thousands. On, there anyway,
you know why not have a real historian who doesn't

(36:52):
talk about the alphabet nonsense and put it. IN context,
i mean that's basically an. Information expert so that was
my main criticism of. The broadcast but but it looked
really good and had a really, big Feel and i'm
just ecstatic it Was. On netflix so we have to.
HAVE IT i i just it's it's. THAT bad, i

(37:13):
mean we just have to. Have it nobody's, you know
nobody's gonna keep paying for these pay, per views and
and anybody that does is. Just hardcores it's not.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Going, Anywhere yeah and and then if you're gonna bring
up any kind of undisputed or sanctioning, belt stuff you
got to add the context to. It too now it's
great if you have four belts for, One, fight, Okay
fine but we know in the women's side, of it
with the depth and everything, like that clearly it's not

(37:43):
always the same level of, you know like it does
kind of just there's sometimes there's a couple of vacant
belts in, there sometimes. You know so it's it's not
taking away. From, anything no it's not taking away from,
you know right in the fight really should be what
we're talking, about.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Anyway exactly it's it's where. You start you're not focusing on.
The exactly you're not focusing on the fight enough either
when you keep doing that crap, like exactly like you
know people are here Just For taylor. SERRANO three i
mean you had the rarer instance where casual saw it
with On The tyson. Paul undercard so like, THEY don't
i mean, you don't you don't. Need to they're just

(38:22):
here to watch, this trilogy, you know the third fight of.
This trilogy so, you know DON'T don't, i mean don't
add to. The confusion and just like so then if
you are, a casual, you're saying what's? What seventeen what
are they? Talking, about yeah seventeen world? Title Belts and
i'm supposed to care. About that how could ever be
seventeen world? Title?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Belts yeah it actually makes, It worse it makes.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Sound worse you delude.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
It in my, calculations here you, delude it.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Like what they could really? Just say and and, YOU
know i keep giving CREDIT because pbc did this their,
FIRST year hbo tried it for. A while it still
is to me the way, to go even though it's,
been abandoned because you just stay out of bed with,
the alphabets which, is look just Go Into tailor serrano three,
and say everybody knows this is for the one hundred

(39:08):
And Forty yes women's Pound him ship Of. THE world,
I mean i don't even think you need all these,
junior classes but give them that if you want to
just say that.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
And just leave it at. THAT period, i mean you
don't need any of this.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
OTHER stuff.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I agree, i agree So. Bomb gardener, you know she
just didn't look all that good in. THIS fight i
don't want to take credit Away from MIRANDA because i
thought she, fought hard she took, good punches and then
she returned plenty of punches And caught alicia. Coming in,

(39:44):
you know is it just fundamentally not setting up, her
punches looking for one big punch to? Hurt? Her well what?
Is it because she she should have won this. Fight,
cleaner uh but she you KNOW the I hate i'm
not taking any credit away from her OPPONENT because i
thought she fought, really well but it just seemed like

(40:04):
she was just focused on landing one big punch. OR
something i, Don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Oh yeah that's. That's HER it's i think it's. Two
things if You watch. Bumgardner's fights she has much more
pop than most of the women in the, women's game
and she she does not. Throw enough even in her,
better performances she doesn't, you know she doesn't. THROW enough
i mean even her skills are pretty good or are,

(40:29):
good too but she just doesn't. THROW enough i think
she does get enamored with her power and she doesn't
doesn't turn up the. Volume enough so you, had that
and then.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
We've seen, her too so maybe there's some worry.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
About, that yeah and then another criticism of. The broadcast
they just completely IGNORED her, pd, issues right and which
you know you have that should have been raised with
this PERFORMANCE because, i agree, You know, miranda tried but
she's and she held her own BETTER and, i EXPECTED
but i mean she has. ONE ko i mean even

(41:03):
when game she started boxing when she was like what,
twenty five and she's in her. LATE thirties, I mean
bumgarner does have pomp and. Some skills, you know IF
the pds were not, A factor, i mean you would
think she should be taking her out, pretty, Bad right
but that, didn't happen and YOU and i. Called it

(41:23):
we we kind of thought the elements of this fight
not being good, Were THERE and, I see i thought
we kind of got. That, right like, You know i'm
not saying We thought miranda would hold her own maybe
as good as, she did but but YOU and i
had just had reservations about this fight and where they
put it on, the CARD and i felt like we got.

(41:45):
That Right that THAT'S what i was. Thinking THERE.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
And I thought scottney looked. Pretty good she did look.
Pretty good she. LOOKED good i.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Like her THAT was, i mean that was a quality
fight or fight like, You. Know marcona two, solid Fighters
and scottney did. IMPRESS me i mean that was a
that was a really because it was a competent opponent
and she, looked, Good right so that was separating like, you're,
like hey you know she and she's FIGHTING. The us

(42:15):
you know she's Not. An american no, good performance really. Good, performance,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
We know the names. Were there like, we said we
had the Upset.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
With green green performed. Really well that was a Great,
Upset Patterson new jersey in. The house that's my home
County In. New jersey and she. WAS impressive i MEAN
she i wasn't expecting because, YOU know, I mean. MARSHALL'S tough,
I mean marshall, is yeah, you know she's.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Strong odds but it still was like a plus, four,
something right and.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
She brings some pop and she's strong AND just I
mean I thought green did, do experience, you, KNOW yeah
I thought green did. Do enough it was just that
was a really really good performance and you could see
the crowd really connecting, with her and you know she's from,
right there right across. The river that worked out. REALLY

(43:12):
good i mean that's where. They got like, we said,
you know they they kind of throw darts when they
set up an undercard like that and hope they. Get
something that's what they got there was they got a
Surprise from green and you know that kind of Even
though scottney looked, really good you know that kind of
that kind of saved. The undercard, You Know green green

(43:36):
fighting went really well like that and pulling out that upset.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Definitely definitely so Heading into saturday and we'll we'll go
through the fights and then we'll we'll get a little
rant UP because i, you know we talked about and
we've talked, about it like you just mentioned about the
pay per views and, all that and we do realize
that you're going to have some pay. Per views, you
know we get, that part we get, that part but
when you have fights like this and cards like this with,

(44:04):
entertainment galore and it really was, a fun. Entertaining card
if you had it off pay, per view you know
it would it would. Go further but let's talk about
the fights first and then we'll, you know parlay it.
Into It So, CHARAZ berlanga i didn't think it would

(44:30):
go down. That quickly. YOU know i wasn't too Kind
of berlanga on, the show BUT as i got a
bunch of messages for. That Too but berlanga, was like
all of, a sudden A ko like a ko, was,

(44:52):
like uh smaller odds than it Was, for sharaz. You
know and by the end of, THE week i, Was
like i'm put Money ON sharra's ko, as WELL because
i had money on. The, decision yeah but that shark
was a. Good, Play yeah but, YOU know i kind
of got tocked into IT because i got people were going,
against me, you know in, the messages AND then i

(45:14):
Kept seeing berlanga is gonna Win. By ko, he said you,
know what, Screw this i'm gonna, double down, You know
but let's talk, about, it Man because sharra's like the jab.
Was going it could have pumped a little, bit more,
but honestly he kind of looked like what we thought

(45:34):
he'd looked like a couple of, fights ago, you know
like he and he pushed. Him back, You know berlanga
really couldn't. Do much he landed the jab from time,
to time a little overhand shots. Or whatever but once
that upper cup came, INTO play i, was like, oh
boy but, the hooks the, combination hooks he got them out.

(45:56):
Of there what are your thoughts, On, This john because
now on the, same thing we can't go too Far with,
charraz either because Who? Is berloga, you know so it's
kind of like jack people went too Far with sharaz
because he looked like Shit. Against, atamas sure but then
you don't want to swing it too far the other.

(46:16):
Way either what are? Your thoughts because he freaking impressed
me the way he did what.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
HE did I think i think now we are getting
to read on, him though because there is kind of
a consistency which is this and it's to, his credit
but because these are not like bombs for lack of a,
better word or, you know cab. Drivers AROUND it's i
mean these are like like you, look here HERE'S what

(46:40):
i got. In mine you Take Like liam williams who he,
Blew Away ammo williams who he took care of late
but blasted them, out late And. Now berlanga these are
all you know in a world of seventeen, weight classes
which is. Too many but these these are guys who
are like legit fringe top. Ten level like they're not

(47:07):
they're not out of the, top ten but they're fringe top.
Ten Guys and charaz looks spectacular blowing. Them away not everybody,
does that so that's a. GOOD thing i think what
we got out Of A damas and probably my guess
holds Because the damas, is good but he's. Not great is?

(47:27):
This right it's probably not a. ONE stumble i think
it's probably, more like you, know something something might be Missing.
With charaz and it doesn't mean he's not going to
maybe threaten to beat somebody, like that but where if
he's fighting that the top part of the legit, top

(47:48):
ten that that blowing people away is not going, to
happen Right that it doesn't mean there's not some, power
there but that's That now i'm getting a little. More
read i'm thinking that's what we might be. Seeing here
and you know you were Hard, on berlanga but you're,
absolutely right we saw. It again i'm looking at. HIS record,
i mean YOU know i couldn't go. Pick him and

(48:09):
then YOU know i did straight OUT say i Felt
like shiraz has, more talent but YOU know i didn't
feel comfortable to saying he's gonna blow. HIM away i
did say it was within the realms. Of possibility but
and same.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
WITH me I mean i had money and, the DECISION
so i can't ACT like i had IT before i
had the KL so i can't ACT like i thought
he was gonna blow. Him, Away right but, You.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Know berlanga is Just not berlanga is just not. Very
talented he's not. That, good sorry, Not sorry and his
pop's okay against upper. Level guys it's not even a.
Big puncher it's not, feather fisted but it's not even a.
Big Puncher so i'm saying something that is, half serious

(48:55):
but it literally is. HALF serious i would not get
all shocked If If jake paul was looking at debt
really carefully And now berlanga is saying you wanted. To, continue, yeah,
like hey if there's some guy who's got, a name
who's been seen by some People That jake paul could,
look At say i'll have this guy move up. THE cruiserweight,

(49:18):
i mean as pathetic as, it is it's, TRUE though
i might just catch this guy with the right hand
and TAKE about, i mean, because look it's not trying
to just pile on, the, guy right but it's just
but it's just. A FACT like i Was hoping berlanga
was going to say that's it, after this AND then

(49:39):
i would look at, it, like look he Got a canelo,
pay day, you know just a headliner. On this he
exposure right. Over exactly you can look at a positive,
like that like the. Over chief and THAT'S why i
would look at it LIKE if i, were him like
it's been a. Good run he's still not an old
man or anything. Like that, you know keep your faculties

(50:00):
relatively intact and just say. That's it it's been a.
GOOD run i got MORE than i ever expected out.
Of it. That's it but he's Already Posting i'm i'm
going On and i'm Thinking like I'm and I'M like,
i said, Half SERIOUS but i literally am. Half SERIOUS
like I Think jake paul is probably looking at that, and,
thinking man this this could be the next guy on my.

(50:22):
HIT list, i mean this guy's going. To continue he just.
Took him he just took a. BRUTAL ko i could
have him move up to, you know one ninety or
whatever so he could.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Sign, him, yeah right you could just.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Sign it and, you know it's crazy that the guy he's.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Just building tune him up a little bit on your,
under card even.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
If people know he's not. That great he's built himself
into a big name where the sport is, at now
like it, or, Not, RIGHT so, i mean that's that's crossed.
MY mind i thought the guy. Should retire but if he's,
NOT gonna I mean i Could See jake, paul, saying
no this guy's on my. Hit list he does probably

(51:07):
try to figure out if he's if, there is if
the danger is, low enough which it probably it. PROBABLY
is i hate to, say It but i'm not saying
it's Like an it.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Can be he had sixteen first, round knockouts.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Right and people saw HIM. On espn there's always a
value in. That, happen now He. Fought canelo people, see that,
you know more people see that than. Other fights, SO
yeah i mean that. Did, good yeah so You, know
shirazo he took care. Of business that's what you want.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
To do so do you. See him let's get him
in with another top five or with a. Top five
i'm not gonna Put per lang in the, top five
but with a top five one sixty eight Pounder or
my guess is they're just going to go Right to
canelo if They if Canelo, Beats cowford THAT'S what.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
I figure Is that turkey how she is not going
To be he's willing to over you to just have
him In. With canelo but, You know sharaz does, have
POWER so. I don't i don't know If If, i'm
canelo even with the kind of money he could GET
at i don't KNOW if i would take that at,
THAT point i. Probably wouldn't i'd probably, you know do

(52:17):
do maybe an easier big, pay day.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
He said which are talking about next year because of
course he's got a four, fight, Deal right he's already
had one. Of them we know his. Second one so if,
he wins well he's gonna fight. Either way probably if
he loses, or wins there'll be a rematch, Obviously probably
But is sharaz Because remember jerky said he had big plans,
for him he doesn't want them, to lose and then You, bank,

(52:42):
JUNIOR right i didn't hear that in twenty Twenty Six fu, canelo.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Right, right well That's why i've Suggested that i've Suggested
The jake paul, for him because if he's gonna do
stuff like, THAT anyway, i mean let's just, you know
Have The jake paul.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Cash, out yeah killed two birds with, one, stone.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah and get casual viewers to. SEE it I mean
i still, want it you, KNOW him, i say, You
know paul cash it Out against usik if he Wins.
OR canelo, i mean If, Du blo we'll get to.
That later But if bloh pulls, THE upset, I Mean
jake paul's not going to get in. With, him no
that's not going.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
To happen so so Let's take canelo out of one.
Sixty eight You think sharas could be the bust one
sixty eight pounder or, right there he's neck neck, and
Neck assuming adomas doesn't go up to one.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Sixty, EIGHT yeah, i mean divisions looking weaker and. Weaker
lately it's not out of. The question and that you
did Remind me chris of SOMETHING else i want. TO
say i say it all, the TIME but i FEEL
like i have to say it every TIME until i
feel like enough people are. Getting, It obviously sharaz had
no adjustment to. The weight uh he knocked for lying.
Out easily we don't need a one. Sixty eight, you

(53:56):
know they created it in the, late eighties the, alphabet
like we don't need a one. Sixty eight so you
know how many times you have to see stuff. Like
this there was no adjustment to, THE weight, i mean
not even. A little it made, no difference. No problem
Knocking out berlanga had nothing to Do with berlanga being
eight pounds north to where, he was and he's coming

(54:20):
off a bad performance that, you know middleweight Against. The
damas so, you know you just don't need all these.
Weight divisions it's it's another one of the. Big problems
and that's the thing with all these water down. Weight divisions,
YOU'RE right i mean one sixty eight kind, of lately
when you really look at, what's there it's not looking.
That great matter, of fact in the, transnational rankings they

(54:41):
Were suggesting charaz enter, at TEN and i had a
lot of agreement. WITH it, i, said, like look look,
who's there you got to enter them at least. AT six,
i mean, YOU know i MEAN because i thought, to
Myself like plant hasn't done anything that. GREAT lately, i
mean you know it' fight yeah some of these. Other,
guys Yeah if charlo is going to, be there that

(55:03):
would be a really that would be a real good
FIGHT because i like that.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Style, matchup, yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah exactly matter, of fact it's a great Suggestion since
turkey howsh she just makes fights like that would be
a that would Be one i'd like, to. SEE mate
i love that, style matchup.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
A throwback battle of The Jab, john yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Like like, big big like like big. Tallish, punchers yeah
you know who. HAVE power i mean that would be an. Explosive,
matchup yeah that would really that would be a. Great one,
BUT yeah i think he wants him To. Get canelo,
but yeah with, WHO'S there, i mean.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
So we got to Hope. For crawford So, If crawford
crawford can stop, the madness if he Just, Beats canelo.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Well that's the ONE thing i, have trouble like Figuring
if crawford does pull, it well then then you're probably getting. Into,
remis yeah, because like, LIKE what i haven't thinking that
because the odds are so much CLOSER than. I expected
Like if crawford pulls the upset where he's not that
big of a DOG like i thought he would be
in terms, of underdog like who does? He fight who does?

Speaker 1 (56:04):
He fight?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
AFTER that, i mean probably just gonna Compel a? Canelo, rematch,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
All Right Chakor Stevenson. Williams zapata first part of, The
fight schakor was doing his best to try To Emulate
floyd mayweather on the ropes with the south paw. Shoulder
roll wasn't going great because he was going to hit,
a lot, you know but he did make. An adjustment first,

(56:34):
of all he punched his way off the ropes plenty
of times at, times here and there was at least
stopping him in his tracks or even backing. Him up
he wasn't. Going anywhere and then in the second when
he got more of his jab and he started just
throwing more rather than sitting on, the ropes then it,
was like, oh wow that's a nice. Left hook oh

(56:55):
that's a big. Right hand it was one of those
those are clean shots and he's standing right there and
then his defense looked. Really good what are your thoughts
on this because a lot of people wanted To, see stevenson,
you know sit, down right, you know have a have
more than just a cup of tea in. The pocket
and he had, an appetizer he had the, main course

(57:17):
he got, a little he didn't get quite all the way.
To dessert but what'd? You, think well one.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Thing that, you know made at least some of that
interesting Was where stevenson's kind of getting a. Bad RAP
and i said about this other guys, that box you
have to look at what the style Is, like stevenson he's,
he yes he's been in some really. Bad fights but
they were saying like runner and like, you said you Know,
in turkey as she's Talking about Tom and jerry fights

(57:44):
and Stuff like stevenson's yeah, to Me like i've always
said This about, Uhsik too like, you Know like stevenson's not. A,
Runner now usik's never had the problem. With volume he's.
High Volume like stevenson's problem is not throwing like like but,
you know people were, talking, like oh is he just.
Gonna run, i'm, thinking, like well he. Doesn't run there
are guys that do that drive, me crazy or, you

(58:06):
Know even bivol with that in and out, to me
which is just A variation. I'm, RUNNING really, i mean,
you know at least there's an activity, with, It right And
then skull wasn't the?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Second? One?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah right the? Second Right that Skull, with canelo you
know that that kind of Stuff, like Stevenson, just stevenson
it would it's just like, volume ischi, you know when
he's just. Not throwing so, you know here he threw
enough to catch. Some attention and, you know it's one
of those things about what, you like like we, keep
saying which probably does have to. BE respected, I mean

(58:38):
i'm not going to say they, were crazy like, you know,
to me it's Like a. Stevenson win but like the
people that were saying they had it Close, For zepaida
i'm not going to say they're out of their minds
just because the. Guy throws and like you said in the,
first half you know. He's throwing and again with what
you like, with aggression i mean maybe maybe you're giving,

(59:00):
you know you may look at that and say he's
taken some of, those rounds even though he's not doing
anything where He's hurting stevenson or landing a ton of
clean shots or something, LIKE that, i still, You know
i'd like To see stevenson be able to put a
little more hurt on, some people especially the better people's.
He fights, but yeah, the body because he's really good

(59:25):
to the body when he commits, to it and he.
Hurts People but, i'm, thinking really even when he first
came out Of, the olympics, you know silver medalist in
his pro career started again, with him. It's offense, you
know his offense didn't always look. That great, you know
then he would have some good fights and a lot
against a little bit, lesser fighters, where then like, we said,

(59:47):
At least i'm, definitely saying, you know he looks real
good when he throws to, the body but you know
then when the level gets a, little higher he doesn't
quite do it, as much and you know he's kind,
of content and then can He Buy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Dealo santo's had more to do with style match up,
than him, You, Know Yeah delo santo's didn't come to. Fight, Either,
NO no i think he got blamed a little too much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
About it, you know, you know so far it's just
really within the. Boxing community but you did. Feel that
BUT again i have to preface it with within the,
boxing Community, like stevenson within the, boxing community he does
seem to be. Creative interest there's just something about the
guy's personality or, you know people will complain and then,

(01:00:30):
you know he gets within the, boxing community you can
see he just gets a lot of attention when, he
fights which is a. Good thing what we're not seeing
and this is a problem with the sport. Right now
it's just not like more, like RIGHT like i don't
like to get into the trend, it matters but without like,

(01:00:50):
MORE data i don't like to just, like, say oh
this is trending and this isn't and and make like
that is like a like a, you know. Scientific RATING
but i. Couldn't help, but look you know there WAS
A Ufc saturday, night too and you know there's stuff's
Trending and stevenson wasn't even. Out THERE and i still
stick by. My PREMISE like i think within the, boxing

(01:01:12):
community he's getting a lot, of attention which seems to
have the potential to cross over to whatever we would
call a. Casual fan now because there's really nothing left,
of that but like not. Even trending you SAW, THE
us i SAW, the Ufc and, i'm, like man that's
that's where boxing's got a. PROBLEM though, i mean that's
the pay per view thing we're, talking about, you know

(01:01:35):
like not registering as opposed TO the Ufc. Fight night
that's that's, you know that's. A problem i still, think
Philosophically and i've done it in, my lifetime there's no
reason you CAN'T LIKE M m a. And boxing there's
really nothing why. You couldn't but, to me what's underrated

(01:01:56):
a little bit there does seem to be something where
like there's just a certain a number of people will
to watch, combat sports AND when mma, became popular like
that just cut into boxing's took away some of. Its
demographic like it didn't like the IDEA that ufc was
this ballooning mainstream that to me. NEVER happened i don't

(01:02:20):
care what they're worth, and everything but what they did
do was they just they just kind of took a
chunk out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Boxing YEP and i feel like we saw a little
bit Of That saturday Night with Turkey, aw chic in
part because he keeps making the mistake with the pay per.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
View, THING yep, I agree and so we'll See what
shaghor is going to. Do next hopefully it's not a
step back because like, you said he does whether it's good,
or bad he does. DRAW attention i mean that shit

(01:02:57):
he Said About. SUGARTE robinson i didn't, like that, YOU know,
i mean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
But he gets the guy gets he gets, its attention,
you Know like i'm gonna have a little segment later
in My boxing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Twitter things so, it's working. You know and he HAS
done i think two or three million dollar gates On The.
East coast he's he's he's, getting there. You know. He's
right like you talk about b side Him and gravante
would be a, big fight there's just not really.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Would, be yeah there's SOMETHING about i Think with stevenson
in His favor it's, something personality, like positively like he
does say this stuff and he. Gets ATTENTION but I
guess i can only speak, for myself but like there's
something with him like you DON'T get i, don't know
you don't get mad At the it's like you kind
of don't get mad at. Him personally it's something about like.

(01:03:44):
HIS delivery i, don't know it's something about his delivery
or stuff that's at least that's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
GET irritated i get a little irritated, from him but
That's just. TWITTER stuff i get irritated about a bunch
of Stuff, on twitter. You, Know yeah but it's Not
like i'm, YOU know i try not to let that
skew what he does in. The RING and i did
like the clean shots he was layding right in front
Of the potter once he tightened up that, shoulder roll,

(01:04:10):
you know those left hooch right hands body shots like
he did. His thing he definitely Didn't POT and i.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Looked at it. Going in people, ARE saying. I agree
i mean, really realistically you look at, His record zapata
was probably the best guy you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Fort yeah or, at least, you know i'd. Say tied,
YOU know i got, YOU know i don't think he
could put too many people. Over him that's her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Damn. Sure right so you know that when a guy
has has a good win over the best opponent, HE'S
faced i mean you got to give him. Some.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Props, yep exactly so play you AND mass playu has
been in some tight fights where he got the exactly
this time he was in a, tight fight and he
didn't get the knot if you look at it's Funny
because i'm looking at my scorecard and once you get.

(01:05:03):
Beyond three round three was a, great round by, the
way but then from like the fourth through probably, the
seventh it was like man looking kind of one sided
all of, A sudden i was Like, goll lee like
this is a. Great performance but then to, his credit.
PLAY you i gave him, THE eighth i gave him,

(01:05:23):
THE ninth i gave him, THE eleventh i gave him.
The twelfth now, Wasn't enough, Probably not but he did
you know some of the holding you know. THEY did
i thought they did an okay job of breaking This,
down john where if you get the punches off first
and then you, quick clench it looks a lot different than,

(01:05:45):
just grabbing, you know. Grabbing away and he was doing a.
Good job but that he doesn't, have power but the
volume in his combination punching it's pretty impressive considering he
doesn't have much power. At all but the, short shots,
the uppercut some of those skill shots from Those uppercut mattias.

(01:06:08):
Was landing it turned out to be a pretty. Entertaining
fight in, my mind. Very competitive two scorecards had at, one, fifteen, one, thirteen,
one fourteen, one fourteen, you know six', five, one, six six.
Seven five whatever i'm cool with Seven. Of five, Mattias
you know. MATTIA'S getting that i. DON'T mind it i

(01:06:29):
don't mind. It at all based off of, the middle
rounds it did feel like he was doing. More heavier damage,
and THEN also, like i, said you know did do
you do we think play you won all? Of his,
Fights probably not so that's how it goes if. YOU
don't separate.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
I definitely didn't i thought. HE was fortunate i thought. He's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Been fortunate yep so if you don't, separate yourself enough this.
Is what happens so even if you if, you scored,
it you know if somebody scored it out there, For
him winning i'm not saying he that's, a bad scorecard
but you just got to put. It in context what?

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Did, You think yeah i'm, NOT, this ONE i, like
i said, except for Me Like, THE taylor surrana i
felt a lot of them did go kind OF the
way i, thought they might like this one that it,
kind OF did Like i figured mattaeas with that high
contact style where he's got to bring a lot of
volume and. A power force at, age thirty three he's

(01:07:28):
done IT longer than i, thought he could but it's
going to. Slow UP some and i thought he, won
THE fight BUT i mean i think you kind of
had that where like maybe even a couple, of years
ago He stops, a, playoh yeah yeah, but that's fair,
but you know not quite that he could do that,
at this point but do enough to beat him, on

(01:07:49):
THE cards which i. Thought he, Did you know i'm
just not Really crazy, about playo's, style, YOU know, Yeah
i mean i'm JUST not so i thought it was
fair the way, it worked out, And you know PLO's
got the nod and. SOME close fights i think it's again,
like to me like maybe a couple, Of years. Ago mattheyas,

(01:08:12):
stops you Know he's probably leo doesn't make a run
the last four.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Or five rounds that's, for damn, sure you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Know right exactly, But, you know matthayas he's not going
to be able to keep doing, this much, longer you
know just, with his style.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
So Enough To. Beat dalton SMITH that's what i.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Was thinking about that. Fight got signed i'm, leaning Towards
yes but smith does, have some pop, and you know
if it is kind of an intriguing Fight because just
matthaias probably Fading Because and dalton Smith has some, he's
a ratic but he, has a, pop and, like you
know if, if you can it's very, hard to do

(01:08:56):
but if You can make, matthaeas respect you Then that
leaves mattaas with not, much you know NOT much plan
b for him. To Go to so smith might have
enough pop, to do that but he's he has lulls,
and he's erratic so that might that Might be one
BUT that's where I thought that i, saw THAT too,

(01:09:18):
and i thought but in a way that might Be
good for mattayas because he might be able to Get by,
adult smith still so like maybe, that's a, guy you
know at least he can, get that fight maybe. Get
by him but it's not. A, bad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
FIGHT yeah yeah i agree for considering it's, a sanctioning
belt you, know SCENARIO.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Right, Which i hate BUT that's why i was like
kind of let that one go and not, a Terrible
fight and mattias try to try to get try to
get one more win at least. Under his belt right
after this this alphabet. Win over play not a bad not. A, bad, MATCHUP.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Yeah yeah i think. That's Well, Said all right So
you know I've Talked about david morrell, in, game plan
right staying on a f, in, Game plan right and
when you, see some, rounds, you're like wow. That was
nice your, jab was going you hit him, with an,

(01:10:19):
uppercut you pivoted you, jabbed him again the left hand
came and that was it's it. Looks really good and
then there's these rounds where once again he falls in
love with his power or maybe he just can't ever
stick to he gets. Bored. In there whatever it's just
weird because in the the round he got knocked down

(01:10:41):
and in the fifth round at that point that's. His
best round, so you're, like, all right dude that's. A
good round you do. More of that you could take over.
This fight again but he gets clipped at the, end
of it not being disciplined and whether this is just
not having a few other fights that he had to

(01:11:03):
really work, for coming up or. That's just, Him you
know I'm Not. Blaming ronnie Shields This. Is david morrell
he doesn't stay on game plan and once he started going.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
To.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
The body john once he started doing, All this, stuff,
you're like see you could have won this fight cleanly
and there wouldn't have, been a, Debate you know but
that wasn't the. CASE to ME i just i. JUST
don't know. I don't know i think This is just
morell and he loves to like it's fun, to. Be

(01:11:38):
Flashy sugar ray leonard's my favorite fighter. Of all time
my second favorite college football Team Is. The MIAMI hurricanes
so i love, me some flashiness YOU know. WHAT i
Mean I, love BARRY sanders But I, love dion. Sanders
you know so it's not about but you. Gotta be
up it's got to be like the eighth, or ninth
round and you gotta be up seven to one then.

(01:11:59):
Have your, on you know how did you see this?
One playing out because a lot Of people thought morell.
Lost this fight some people thought he lost it, by
A lot. WHICH i didn't i thought that was a little,
over the Top, LIKE al bernstein i thought he was a.
LITTLE over it I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Thought Al, bernstein gott yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
THAT was bizarre, I think Honestly i respect al, a
whole lot like what he's done, In his career but
ever since he's gotten he didn't get added on TO the,
new pbc thing said some stuff that, were really, like,
oh really okay, well that's cool, you're right there but
why didn't you say that about.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
That, that, you know yeah doing? That, too much.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Yeah and No disrespect to al as far as what
he has done, in, His, career, right No no it's
i've loved him for. So many years but you. Can
see it to sit there and make a video like this,
is a robbery, it's, fucking ridiculous, Right you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Al's a legend.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
I've interviewed, him no disrespect, but it's obvious it's. Obviously
he's biased but what do you what do you think? Of,
this fight well there. Was an overachievement uh, What? Is,
it kataye, Yeah HE overachieved but i did like, what
he brought some of the stuff that he brought to
the ring AS far as i want to see. Him
Fight again but morell could have.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Won, This cleanly yeah well, he Came in but katayff
came IN with, p d, issues you know which, they just,
ignore ignored, Basically you know so this guy came IN with.
P d issues you got to be FAIR to more
i think you gotta Be. Fair to morell there he
got a.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Two, year ban yeah espeosedly had.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
A two year supposedly be had a two year band.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
And he thought, it was okay saying she. Had, no
problem yeah just kind, of, you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Know yeah, just you, know another one just kind of.
KIND of, ignored i think you know a lot of
fighters will say this and. Not follow Through but, watching
morell's fights and especially from early, IN his career i
think a lot of what the part you're talking about
is he has been opened on many occasions and fought
like it, THAT he said i. WANT to entertain i

(01:14:05):
don't want To be this cuban stereotype of boring fighter
who just. Wants the boxes, I'm with you he's obviously,
got THE skills but i think this guy truly. WANTS
to entertain i thought the knockdown was it was just
kind of weird like that he too. And, Went down
now katayev HAD a, high ko percentage but it, was
against nobody but he could be, for real there that

(01:14:28):
could be, part of it but kind of a kind of.
A strange, knockdown.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Solid puncher, that's for sure, good body puncher. That's, For SURE.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Yeah But i thought morell did, enough TO win but i, thought,
this one like it's, not like, WE especially me i
DIDN'T feel like i knew what we were Getting out
of kataya because looking, At his record, I'M just like
i just. Don't see it, on the record he's nine KOs,
and ten wins, but you know he looks like there's,
some pop there but just, who he's fought the level of.
Opposition WASN'T there but, i did say Like The old,

(01:14:59):
larry MERCHANT thing which i did feel that came out,
in this fight where you don't put too much stock
in a guy after a quote, unquote good loss and
that's what people Were doing with Morell after, the benavidez
fight which he fought well and at a lot of points,
in the fight but he wasn't close to winning on the.

(01:15:19):
Score cards LEGITIMATELY so but i Thought he had benavidez
maybe even in a. Hair of trouble but that kind
Of That that larry merchant adage KIND of, came i,
FELT you know i. TALKED about that i felt like we,
did see that like so YOU just as, i, was
saying like it turned out you couldn't take The, loss to, benavidez,

(01:15:41):
and say well he's just Gonna blow this. Katayav guy,
away you know he had he had to struggle against
him to. GET a win i thought. He did enough
but a, lot of, people you know there were people
that thought he, lost the fight but there were some
people outside of the judges that also. Thought he, won so,
YEAH you know i would hope for what form all
of this could be is that since but let's say

(01:16:04):
that that, thought is true that you don't want to
put too much stock in. A good loss he escaped with,
the win, here you know against a guy who might
who has been on peds and. Maybe powers legit so
maybe coming maybe coming out of this just with a
win is not going to. Age, that, badly, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Yeah right yeah and then you need to go that's
going to be the case, unless, you know like let's
see the test results, of this one YOU know. WHAT
i mean i guess we got to. Figure it out,
but beyond that if this is what if he came
into it, quote unquote, NATURAL then yeah i do think.
It's gonna age.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Well actually yeah. It could have. It could age it,
could age well so with morele, and you know now
he's he's at light, heavy and look you know his
fight with that it Was. TOUGH before, benevitez i Mean
You know colai. JICK'S no joke i mean he got
he got blown away by you Better be of, But,

(01:17:05):
that's it, like you know because when He Lost, to
marcus brown he had him and dropped it in all.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Kinds of trouble that was a HELL. Of on CBS that's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
When ppc was pulling some. Good, stuff out yeah like that, was,
a throwback right you Get THAT. On national. Tv good
fight it was order, on. THE card right i can't
remember exactly what card, that was, on but yeah that,
was you know that was. A good one so uh

(01:17:35):
YOU know that i didn't like take that as a
negative like a lot, of PEOPLE did so I think.
MORELL i don't i don't See any reason morrel. Can't
keep building it's just you couldn't put Too much, Into
benevite's loss like he still got he's still got a, ways,
to go yes which he may be able. To do it,

(01:17:57):
so you know this might have just been a good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
One, to escape yeah and some of these fights had It,
Been BEFORE benaviez, like i said maybe this is exactly.
What he needs but. At some POINT and what i
mean is it's, great to LIKE there's times i want him.
To throw more so if he does, want to engage
then go. Ahead. And engage, now you know my thing

(01:18:19):
is you know the old when, you get punched you
want to, punch, Him, back right well he falls for
that each and, every time almost and then that's when
he gets, hit The cleanest right so that's The only, pro,
i'm like dude you can pivot out of that and
just hit him with, a big, Shot you know like
once he got it all together and that right hand

(01:18:40):
was going, to the body you could tell this guy was,
getting shook, up you know and it was just a.
Matter of time AND then so i like HIS instincts
AND i like. I like flashiness it's, JUST to me
i think he has to put. It all together, but
then again he didn't have the two and, three hundred, fights,
you know right so he doesn't, have any, fights you

(01:19:02):
know so we can't say he hasn't, been tested. Now
you know so let's see what the next couple. Of
YEARS ago and i do think if they fought, this
again though he could literally win it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Eight, To, two, Yeah yeah definitely, i'm.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Gonna yeah and then the. Ten round thing these. Are
young fighters this didn't need to be. A ten rounder
i like the ten rounder if it's old vets and
it's like a mid level clash and you go ten
rounds and they're gonna really. Give, it up okay but
the ten rounder kind of threw me off because, it
was like and it showed in This fight because morell
was starting to. Really come, ON but. YEAH i didn't

(01:19:39):
i had HIM went into i had it like. Six
TO four but i really think that he could win
almost every round if he stayed. On game, Plan, YOU know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
YEAH i think i do think, IN his, CASE i
believe i actually believe him he, wants TO entertain and
i agree we actually don't have that, From enough guys so.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
That, IS true yeah i adn't. PLAYING too much i
hate to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Criticize about That i'm A that's where i'm very hesitant
to get, on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
His case but. That is true all, of a sudden,
he's up, there you know not. Engaging or whatever, And
you know i'm a little biased, because you Know, he
chose minneapolis right literally could Have, Been, in Cali. Florida
or Vegas, He Chose, minneapolis.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
John no which has, Been good exactly, AND you know
i kind of know what, you're looking at YOU know,
WHAT i mean i kind of know what. You're looking at,
like you know, you see him especially earlier when he.
First started out he could probably just outbox some, of
these guys but he. Wants to Entertain i'm not i'm.
Not in, favor you know you don't want to be
taking too many shots because then you're you're taking. The

(01:20:42):
brain damage. Let's face it even if you, want to
entertain you don't want to be just. Repeatedly taking HEADSHOTS
but but i like that when he says he. Wants to,
entertain WITH him what i have seen is he wants
to be aggressive and try to get some people out
of THERE that that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
I have liked and when he puts his stuff together
other it does. Look damn, good you know it does.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
SOME nice knockouts i mean.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
He, said knockouts yeah when he, was more strategic like
he he was really getting. Into the, body so, overall.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
A great CARD and, like i said let's get to
the stuff because it all plays into the same pay. Per,
View ship right let's keep going with the fights and
then we'll get time to TALK about because i started just.
AS a teaser i did start to look in, because
you know the zone in THIS, t n t this
this football slash soccer tournament that's going that that. Was

(01:21:41):
going on the zone was ALL over tn t on
the mics when they're interviewing, like it was they have
a they, have the right so it's like. A combo
deal and it WAS Also. On hbo max so that's
just a, little you know teaser on what could be
potentially that's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
What they've been that's the kind of thing. They've.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Been missing yep and, the money's there so there's no
reason not. To do. It let's start so. Here's The
thing If usink and dubois and then the UNDERCARD, for
the bbc if you put that together in one, Pay,
per view okay we might. Be cooking here we might have,
an entertainment, night you know but obviously you never like

(01:22:27):
a pay per view during the day. And at night.
It's pretty ridiculous but let's talk about because. The inner
card i'm not saying there's nothing on, the Inner Card
but usak dubois who we know what the. FIRST one
was usa got, the job done but there was some
controversy people still swear it, up and down as if

(01:22:49):
they haven't been watching fights for, so many decades and
as if every week we don't see a belt line
shot or one just on the lower part of the
belt like this is it's like getting hitting the side
of the head and. People freaking out it's like did
we see? It every weekend like you could, Say it happened?
But is it is it? Really that bad because the

(01:23:10):
way they some people described the usk lobe Or the
d Bois, lobo on usik it was like, clear as
day you're blind if you. Don't, see it uh they'll
they literally will stop it right before impact and still
picture and, you, be like no get it where he?
Was going? Upward, You know anyway so is it the

(01:23:35):
fact that that's his best bet is trying to work him,
to the body try to knock him out and hurt,
him or whatever or is this really just a rematch
That just because dubois has been doing good lately his,
last two fights he showed out and it just the
Fight cells du boise turned into a solid, ass top
guy one, of the top you? Know top whatever is

(01:23:58):
it just a solid fight, and you know old man,
freaking you know father time. Could come in he could
rear his ugly. Head this weekend but is that what he?
Needs To happen that usik's not on, His normal self
and maybe du bois learned a thing or two coming through.

(01:24:19):
All this fire what are your thoughts, in the rematch
because it's, tough to, Say you know like and, by
the way with the power shot we've or, the body
shot we've, always said that It doesn't mean usik would
stay on the ground. The whole time i'm sure he
would have got up if it would have been, called
a knockdown but we don't know how he would have

(01:24:41):
reacted after once they said go fight now. After eight,
seconds SO yeah and i don't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Even think it but, The, TIDE truth chris i don't think. It's,
a certainty people. That's A certainty like i don't think.
It's a certainty he would, have, Gotten OUT.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Right but i, wouldn't just say oh, he was down.
He was out he. Wouldn't, got up yeah we don't
know he made. He was in he would have been
in some. Form of right tell how when, he was down.
How IT looked but I just don't i also don't
want to go. The other Way john, where i'm like oh,
he was out it. Was a, knockout, NO nothing now
i we don't know because we got to have. The real,

(01:25:16):
live hey dude that's. A knocked down get. Your ass up.
You know that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
We don't know but but the dude's shown vulnerability of
the body and refs have let, him let refs including,
in that fight have let him get. Away with it
it's not the first. Time it's happened even happened In.
Fights with, joshua you know he happened In. Fights with
gus you, have, You know refspin refspin given the guy.
Leeway On that So i'll go. I'LL go, FARTHER i

(01:25:41):
mean i think in part it shows where. The sport is,
but to me this is actually one of the best
fights you can make in. BOXING right now i think
what's a shame about it is it's just where. The sport,
is you know all these, things put together, like You

(01:26:01):
know a ukrainian fighting a brit and, then you know like,
you said after it's like it's just got nothing for
where the sport IS in the, Us right now like
outside of, hardcore boxing people there's nothing. For us sensibility
even though it's. The heavyweight division that's. What's a, shame
but LIKE why do i think it's a good fight
for the reasons. WE'RE talking, about i mean you have

(01:26:23):
that combination of in, the first fight there, was an,
argument an argument a legit argument that, a legit argument,
a legitimate argument, not a certainly but a legit argument
That because of usak's history of, body Vulnerability too that
dubois got robbed of a knockout. At, that point now

(01:26:44):
The people in usik's corner another fair point they can
MAKE is and i saw this watching, the, fight, live
like Like why did dubois? Respond so terribly then after that,
which you did he just totally, to you know his,
response was awful not just when he got at the moment,

(01:27:04):
he got stopped but right after he got could have.
Had am out he just he. Just didn't respond so
but then You have this this is what makes to
me this fight so intriguing and one of the best
fights that could be made just. In boxing, terms like
then but then you have du blog on this run

(01:27:24):
that nobody including. MYSELF sees, coming i, mean you know
he takes Shots Early, against jarrell miller, who you know
he stops the guy the first time the guy ever,
gets stopped late which is. New from him and then
you're thinking Of ALL its. Miller pd issues And but then.
Miller the win the wind ages Even better because miller

(01:27:47):
Performs well against, ruiz after that and then you Have.
Against her govic it's still a head, scratcher to me
to the because it's. HEAVYWEIGHTS this, point i mean a
guy who had shown a weak chin and just and, then,
people say, no it's late. It's, just stamina yeah but
he was In, trouble against, loraina a cruiserweight, coming up

(01:28:09):
early almost out early, in the fight and then he
just continually eats Right hands from herkovic, and ends, up
you know. Getting a Stoppage. And, then, joshua look look
whatever You Think. ABOUT anthony joshua i was thinking, of
this tonight you know before. We came on probably not even.
Enough credit given like Whatever You. THINK anthony, Joshua I

(01:28:30):
mean anthony joshua. CAN hurt, YOU i, MEAN.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
I mean i DON'T that's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
WHAT i, SAY i mean i don't think. He's got
right he's, got some speed, like you know he. Can
hurt you he's big and he.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Can hurt you like we talked about delivery, System last
week well he's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Got the delivery he's got, some delivery system and it's
like whatever you, think of him he. Can hurt you
and So there's du bois, then you know blowing the
guy away does get stunned a bit and then then.
Just obliterates him, like you know so he's showing some
resiliency that he's, dominating the fight and he's showing a

(01:29:05):
moment of resiliency and just. Issing the guy nobody's dominated the,
Guy like that, SO you know i think maybe we're,
not you know Even we know. Joshua has FLAWS but
like i was thinking, that again tonight really to, du
blas credit like nobody's done, that to him, because You Know,
with andy Ruiz He had, ANDY ruiz, down i Mean

(01:29:28):
and then. Ruiz caught him but like and, then you
know he lost tight.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
To mek around after all. Those knockdowns too now he
turned his back, and all that but he still was able,
to walk around look like, he could, continue, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Right and then lost Tight. Fights to usick but then,
like you Know you got dubla just beating the beating
the guy around all. Over the place and Then even
when joshua lands, a good Shot then du blas immediately
responding to the guy with like a ko. Of the
year so like dublis such a run and he's young,

(01:30:02):
For a heavyweight, like you know, he's taking shots but
the thing is. He's taken shots So and then usik
really is that he's, at thirty, eight you know the
father time thing really. Can be coming one thing you see.
A little bit i, mean to me his calling card
ultimately has. Been his volume, and you know in that,
second fury fight definitely thought. He won IT but, like,

(01:30:26):
i was like IS the and i have a look
at the actual data, points Of it, but, i'm like
man it looks like the guy's volumes. Dropping a Bit
so like duba is gonna have a, Big power advantage
he's got. A size advantage he hasn't had. A resiliency
advantage he certainly hasn't had. A stamina, advantage but, like

(01:30:47):
You know is usak's age going to be? At a?
POINT you KNOW i mean i Don't even think dubois
decisions out, of the question like the odds have it out,
of the QUESTION but like i don't think it really
is Because if the bli's, resiliency is better you know,
it has been but Now, he's facing usik the top

(01:31:08):
guy who he basically folded against. The first time but if,
HIS resiliency's, better i, mean you know he could be
hanging In, there hurting usik maybe, not stopping him but.
Hurting him Sometimes and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
And usik can't get before and he's come back, from
that now yeah quit taking knee and, all that, stuff,
you know right and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
You know that that maybe even. Him by decision i'm
not saying dubros can't. KNOCK him OUT i mean i
think at The stage where usik's at as good, AS he,
is i, Mean you know dubrois has a chance. To,
Stop him here i'm having trouble making a call. ON this,
ONE i mean i don't really want To pick against
usk because of. What he's proven yeah he, could do
it he could do it. One More time so i'm

(01:31:54):
going to just do a little bit of. A cop,
OUT i think i think THE best thing i can say,
about this one but it is fair even though it's
not a, pick Per se where i'm, waffling A bit
But i think i'm looking at this, one THIS way
Like i think usak could. Win this, Fight you know
i'm not ready to, pick AGAINST him but i don't like,
minus THREE hundred like I don't like HUSIK minus and

(01:32:17):
i THINK that's probably i just. THOUGHT about that i
thought that's probably THE best way i can. Put, this
one like but at, minus three, hundred, to, ME no
no i would.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Not have money you got to put up. To make
MONEY and am i?

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Sure of?

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
That, one hundred yeah that's.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
A good goal i Would not bet usik, on this
FIGHT even though i think he might WIN it and
i may end up, even you know a couple.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Of days way, like by decision because that's really the
only way you're gonna YOU know. WHAT i mean I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
THINK i would I don't think. I would Bet that's what.
I'm saying here LIKE the what i see on this
one with THE odds is. I wouldn't. BET i don't
i Wouldn't bet on husick at all, on this Fight
even though i'm not. Picking against, him he might he.
MIGHT win it i can't quite make up. My MIND
there but i just, like the numbers like On a,
du blah Win even a dubois Decision or. A ko,
win i, MEAN you know I could see i think

(01:33:05):
Those scenarios for dubois are are just more likely than
the odds makers you're giving Him Here, because usak's, USIK you,
know I mean if usa can get by this.

Speaker 5 (01:33:18):
One speaking of a guy, on, A run right and also,
another thing like Even even, THOUGH fury's HUGE i, didn't
i mean, And you know i'm not taking Anything, away
From usic but, i'm just saying as Were handicapping, this
DUBOIS fight.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Like I didn't because usik put Real hurt on fury in, the,
first fight yes but. HE did not i thought he
totally clearly won. The second, fight i'm, like you know
Some people in fury was, WANTING you know i thought
he clearly, won the fight but he didn't put really
any hurt on him in. The second fight, And you know,
fury's been hurt, so you know, he's showed resilience but

(01:33:56):
he's been hurt. Plenty of times So like, Then i'm, looking,
i'm like, wow you know he couldn't hurt him in.
The second, fight but again The mystery, WITH dubois, is
i MEAN the consensus i think at this point probably,
is That well when, dubois gets tired he's, likely to

(01:34:16):
fold even though, it's from. Shots YOU know and i, did,
think about like this book's forgotten, because you know he
had a, writer with it, but you know it was
the late Seventies, book by ali the greatest you he
had like, a you know a. Writer with him but
but it's kind. Of it's forgotten they never bring.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
It out and someone just gave me it well by
it five bucks and it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Never didn't get good reviews. At THE time but i
think there's a lot of good stuff in there that
actually is being forgotten because my guess is.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
It's Always work.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
It's ali's words, In other words i'm sure This is
what ali was, telling the writer so, where it fit
because this would be maybe the people who were thinking
What happens to dubois like and because this has, then
been changed but This is what ali, said about, it
you know right, after the, event YOU know because i
think this book. Was seventy seven so He just beat

(01:35:11):
foreman a, few years, before you know he said he
you know that the plan was To, move against foreman
but he was in the first round and he was
looking at the way foreman steps were and he's cutting
off the ring and how young and, strong he was,
and HE herman if i try to move against this guy,

(01:35:31):
and just move he's going to. Take me out i'm
going to get tired and and he's going to. Take
me out, LIKE you KNOW i gotta i can't do.
It that way and you know he, also felt like
because it's funny because this is the Opposite Of what,
archie moore said He was. In foreman's corner, But you know,

(01:35:51):
ALI himself said I don't think i ever Would have.
Taken forman out he was too young AND strong if
i didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Get, him tired yeah you know he's gonna SAY talk
about iq and a, Guy that said i'm gonna listen to, What,
he says.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Well that's what i'm thinking to it and that. Book
For something and I've Read the, hawser book afterward which
was a really really good book. In ninety, one you
know he was the writer, and you know doing, interviews
and everything but like that, The greatest book like, Because
you know ali He had the parkinson's, and you know,
let's face it he. Wasn't the same but like this was.
LIKE seventy seven i, mean to me this is what the.
Guy was saying even if somebody was writing. It for

(01:36:28):
him so You know. What ALI said so i recommend
reading THAT book yecause i think it's been it's fallen
under the radar, because to me it's got a Lot
of like ali's, words In there what ali was saying.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
About, this stuff yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
And and that's, like to, me it's Like Is that
dubois is he just? A guy? WHO you know i
think that's what people would be looking at now, For
him too like he's he's real strong in, the first half,
but you know if he gets in, the second, half
you know, and he's tired. He's GONNA fold but, i don't,
know you know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
He, can't make. Adjust, you know yeah And he took.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Miller l EATE that's. WHAT i mean i think it's.
It's a puzzle it's it's a. Very interesting puzzle there's
just a lot of things to me that make. This
fight intriguing it's just a shame that it's on pay
per view and it just doesn't have any US sensibilities
because i just think where we're at, IN the sport
i actually do think this is one of the best
fights that could be.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
Made right, now and, Visually You know wembley stadium is
gonna be packed It's gonna be they're gonna be, singing and,
screaming and yeah it's that part of it's. Gonna be
good so just kind of, Looking at It busik by
ko and this just to go just off, Your decision

(01:37:40):
Thing ousik by ko plus One oh five busik by
decision plus, One Fifty eight daniel dubois by decision. PLUS
eight thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
I like, That i mean i'm not saying, it's gonna
happen but but, plus to me that to me at,
PLUS eight thirty. I like that i think there's probably
a scenario where it could happen Because you figure duoa
would probably really have to hang On because of. Usik's gas,
tank yeah yeah, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
Know surviving because he's so damn crafty and he's got
that will and it's gonna be to knock his, ass out, too,
You Know right That's that's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
What, i'm Thinking like maybe dubois hurts him a, couple
of times maybe even he, drops Him again but usi survives,
because he's, tough he's crafty has to, come on Late
and maybe dubois is hanging on. By A thread but
i think that scenario at plus eight thirty. Is pretty
good but BUT but one i saw somebody, suggest out
there which is not. A bad idea you could also

(01:38:43):
then go with a, scenario, AND say like I just
think dubois is that strong early and look what he Just.
Did to Joshua even Though. Husik's not joshua maybe he's
gonna look, AT it like i can't let this guy
go late because of. His gas tank and he. Just
comes right he just come, right at him and he's
throwing Power shots and husick doesn't fire back, with enough authority,

(01:39:05):
and you Know maybe josh wood just starts hitting him
with too. Many, big shots, Now you know, Husick's great
defensively and LIKE you, and i, say you know you
look at the. Guy's head movement it's. KIND of underrated
i mean he just even him. Moving his head he doesn't. Really,
get him.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Yeah you knows everything he does.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Has, been underrated yeah the Only real weakness i've seen
in his game is that that the, body you know
what he. What he gets he does not respond well
when he gets hit with, legit body.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Shots and he starts looking for. The ref too he looks.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
To The ref every he's done it every time. IN
his career i mean. Just every time, so you know
that's where a strong ref who who's sadly to that
that could Be a.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Huge what are? You looking at you should be looking,
at him, right just.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Fight you know like there's no break in the action
here because you're looking? At who's, sick you know that was.
A clean, shot let's, go you know but they they've,
never held him they've never held him accountable like that literally.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
In his career and you gotta FIGURE, in The, uk
in london if it's a borderline shot that they probably
will let it. GO this, time i, Mean who knows
but at some point they're, gonna be like you know, what, f, this,
no no get. Go and, FIGHT you know. I don't
know i'm not going to make a, bet on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
That you know but here's if you want to make
The case for usik just because how. Good he is
clearly again THERE'S one thing i got to. Give him
credit i've, said it before but it's. Kind of underrated
In the, second joshua fight they did finally Get it through.
Joshua's head late actually he just went heavy to the

(01:40:45):
body and he was hurting husick. Bad and ushic he
was barely hanging outbod, he hung on got, to the
corner and he came out and Went right at joshua,
with high volume and he took that fight right. Away
from him joshua, did not respond and that was very
impressive resiliency And heart by usik showing that would support

(01:41:06):
that argument that people were making that you, Brought, up earlier, chris,
that like well if he knew he had, to get
up he would have gotten. Up and responded now he,
did do that. We'll never Know but, in joshua too
he did show something there, that to me he had
not shown in any of, his other fights which that

(01:41:26):
was getting hit. To the body and you know it
happened to having, without referee help having to come back.
And do something he did.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
Do it top. Of the round i'm taking this.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Way, right now yeah he did Do that, In joshua too,
so you know if he can, do that again and,
that was, just you know not. Too Long ago but usik.
Is thirty eight but if he, does that Again that's
where dubai's in trouble because dubois stamina hasn't been. The
greatest overall and then If, you've got usik who's the
best gas tank guy in the maybe, in the business

(01:42:02):
certainly in, the heavyweight division even at thirty eight. High,
levels too yeah and you're, in like ten, eleven and
twelve and that guy's just throwing a bull and the.
Punches at, You you know dubob could be a guy
that's gonna be in serious trouble. In that situation that's
what makes it hard to Pick.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
Against, du sie yeah all this talk is just getting
me excited. For this Fight so many pakyel returns from
like a four, year you know the four years ago
we Saw, him against ugas. Didn't Look, Good, Now ugas

(01:42:38):
ugas barrios him the, fight THE same and i would
say At the time ugos was a higher Level, fighter than.
Barrios you know and even in the LITTLE highlights that
i saw, of as exhibition even, In an exhibition manny
just didn't look, good at all and. Nor should he

(01:43:00):
he shouldn't look. Good right, now you, know he's old,
he's past it and you know he's saying stuff that
we've heard from, Other guys too, john where well this
isn't just, a one, off you know and. There's already
momentum if he, gets the Win it's The mayweather, pak,
YO too right. I don't know it's just as Much

(01:43:26):
as if pakyo came Out and beat Barios WITH. The
mayweather pacyo you know you put the. Undercard on that
would that help? The, young fighters. Yeah it would i'm
not gonna it's still do numbers. ALL that stuff I
bet You amazon or, netflix, would, Say hey now i'm
willing to put up. Money for, that you know we
don't need that on, pay per view wouldn't do if it,

(01:43:46):
wasn't on pavy it would. Do gigantic numbers. We know
that but it's just, even seeing him like beyond the
shadow boxing handspeed which still, isn't as fast but you
know he can. STILL do that i think he'll be
able to do that, in twenty years YOU know, What
i mean he'll just be able. To do that. THAT'S
just him, I Just yeah mario barrios looked like shit

(01:44:10):
in his last fight because he was on the undercard,
of that too which people were. Talking about it, i'll
SAY that BUT i just. I just don't i'm just
not a not a fan of this main event fight.
For OBVIOUS reasons, like i said if we Could Put
the usik dubois and then some of. These action fights

(01:44:32):
now you got yourself pay, for, Your card right but it's,
just you know we see. This in boxing it's not.
Reinventing the wheel. We get it people come back. When
they shouldn't but it doesn't mean we can't say you,
shouldn't come.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Back you, KNOW.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
You know i think just, people are man he was
such a beloved fighter for obvious reasons, and great reasons that.
That legendary fighter but It's just targ i'm really it's
more looking at it kind of, hope nothing, Happens you
know That's really what, i'm looking, at you Know. Because

(01:45:11):
remember ugas people forget the pictures in The, videos after ugas,
his eyes swollen his his wife, feeding him soup Looking.
Like daw man he just, give it. Up you know
and It's not like ugas is a, huge country. Either
YOU know so, I don't KNOW i. Just i don't

(01:45:32):
it's more of a worry Than, anything a, hernia you know.
WHATEVER the hell. I Don't know maybe i'm just GETTING
older and i think about. That stuff, MORE but yeah
i just beyond the Undercard stuff that. I'M excited about
i just it's just A fight, where i'm like this is,
just you know running the mill boxing stuff that we
have to deal.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
With, AS fans, YEAH i.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
DON'T i don't i.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Don't like it and even though you know there's, some
you know you have a clothes odds matchup on the undercard,
with you know two guys in this world of box
And we Know. Frondora and Zoo the more i'm looking, at,
it though too really it's not even that that great
OF a CARD i. AND i don't i. Just, DON'T
like yeah i Don't like the pacquia coming. Back at all, i'm,

(01:46:16):
with you like you have. To be fair this has
happened in every era, of boxing history but that doesn't
mean you have. To LIKE it and i saw something
that really put it in perspective, for me today just
just REVIEWING records like i always do when big fights,
are coming up even, Though you know i'm just always,
taking another look and it doesn't. Seem like it so

(01:46:39):
this probably. Will, surprise people well you know It's today's, what,
July fifteenth right so in five days it'll Be six
Unless pakia, wins saturday night it'll be six years since
he's wont to fight.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
Because he, want to fight and that Was What against browner.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
Thurnmann In twenty nineteen july twenty's. WAS it was i
mean that was like a last he. Won the fight
he scored a knockdown. Credit to him there's problem was
it's going to be six Years ago on. July twentieth
exactly so what is a forty six year old guy

(01:47:17):
doing in there who's not big for? The weight either
and you know it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
Would be bad it wouldn't, be bad.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
Anyway, but you know he's not big for the weight
and he hasn't won a fight in. Almost six years,
and you know so the, argument, Is like well barrios. Isn't,
That good sure barrios, Isn't that great but just with the,
age advantage alone he's a. Competent, Professional fighter yes and
when you're getting to those kind, of age gaps you can,

(01:47:46):
JUST say, that i mean right to professional fighter fighting
a forty six. Year old guy there's too much of
an age Gap. There, FOR pac, yeah, i mean well
The one thing, pac has done like as, he Got
older and i've, said it before like that's been kind
of remarkable, is his volume partially because he's moved. Up in,

(01:48:07):
weight you know he. Was a flyweight like his volume,
for a welterweight has stayed good even as, he's gotten
old which you really don't see that with. Older fighters,
normally but again he hasn't won a fight for him,
with six, years you, know last fight. Right he, lost

(01:48:29):
you know he doesn't. Belong in there. He just doesn't,
AT this point i, don't like, THAT you KNOW i
just i. Don't like this this is like you've had
in boxing history. As desperation plays but this is. A
Desperation play even pacquiao's numbers pay per view, wise were,
declining you know they've been declined for, a long time

(01:48:52):
so surely he's going to carry a little more cachet
than a lot of the fighters that haven't gotten that.
Kind of, exposure of, course you know he was in
the biggest pay per view of All, time with bayweather
but it's not going to be now, at this point he's.
Forty six barrios this this just seems it. Just seems,
pointless it really. IT really, DOES i mean i.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
Don't see, it YOU know WHEN i when i first,
HEARD it rumored i heard that it's actually someone's looking
to like just buy the fight and not be on.
Pay per view So whether that's netflix, wanting to Capitalize or, maybe,
amazon saying Hey, look at netflix what. Are, they doing
hey manufact we can. Still. Sell him right then all,

(01:49:35):
of a sudden that opens up my mind a little
BIT because, Then, i go okay these action fights would
be good. For the audience if it's part, of your
SUBSCRIPTION then THEN i Would i think i'd have. A
different view not that man he should be, in the
ring but he is going to be. In the ring
therefore you could parlay something of a rating and help. Out,

(01:49:56):
the other okay now you sold, me on it but
sell me on it because, you're selling. It you, KNOW
so yeah i just it could actually be a, very
bad fight YOU know, What i mean it could be a.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
Really bad fight, and you know it's kind of like
but it is somewhat of a good comparison because it.
Kind of worked it's like even though of course it,
was lesser opposition, BUT it's like, i don't know it
does show you how boxing could market themselves at least a,
little bit better, like the equivalent like like that they Did,
That with savvy like you go back to, the early,

(01:50:32):
nineties you, know the nineties end, of the eighties like
they Took, homes and foreman and they had HIM. Fighting
on usa everybody knew. Who they were and then.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
You're getting rated you're getting rated like like people.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Are seeing it they're, fighting lesser, guys, but like Hey This,
is Larry Holmes.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
It's georgia jordan people.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Are tuning in like so it's kind of like, what,
you're saying right like you put Many pakiaw on amazon, Or.
You know netflix it's not like we're saying he, should
be back but at least it kind of, serve some purpose,
like you know a pay, per view, grab you know
an attempt to pay per view Money. Grab, with pacquiao,
yeah at age at, age you. KNOW forty six i

(01:51:12):
mean it's it just doesn't. Lead to anything this, is,
Not leading right that's that's.

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
What it is and and he even, though, he says
oh this isn't, a, one off okay but you should
have had it for free if it wasn't, a one
off and and then build, yourself to it. You know
exactly there's just there's just no. Way AROUND it and
i don't want, to hear, anything YOU know when i
started To Hear the, george foreman stuff, But, he would
yeah but he. Stopped way earlier he stopped, fighting way,

(01:51:41):
earlier you know and so he, had you know whereas
there's a lot of punishment win Or lose that, pakil went, through.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
You know a lot for and, foremost was informant. WAS a,
heavyweight i mean it's not as focused on. SPEED and
reflexes i mean trying to fight As a wealthy he's
gotten by because he started. That fly away but even
he's not gonna get by.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
At, forty six no you're. Right about that you're. Right
About that and barrios is confident enough and has been
in there with some decent to really. High level fighter,
he's you know it is. What it is So fondora in,
Zu the rematch this one really intrigues me just off,

(01:52:27):
of a fight just breaking it down as a fight
because and we've talked about this, in recent time, where,
you're like, MAN you know i felt pretty confident watching
the first two Rounds that tim zu was gonna. Win
that fight but, that's two. Rounds, you know now did
the blood spilling in his eye have something to do? With,

(01:52:49):
him losing, yeah of course he still landed a bunch
of punches. In the fight his corner. Let him down
they should have just. Had a rematch should have just
shut it down and. Had, a rematch now would he had? Gotten,
Some stick sure but it's better than where he. Went,
After that, Right but this i'm intrigued in this fight because,

(01:53:11):
you can anytime you can make a case, for BOTH
guys and i think it's legitimate. For both. Guys it
does it's kind of a make or break in a,
sense for both but exceptionally, especially Excuse, me tim zu,
because you know flash back, a year ago and then,
even before that as he made his, way over here

(01:53:32):
he started, fighting better names and then, it, was like
okay they're really Looking for tim, zu to, take you
know to really be one of the, fifty four pounders
one of, the top guys and. Then it happened so
and to lose, twice like that especially the way he lost,
that other fight you know. That was brutal fandora's gonna
be there, to be hit but he's going to, hit

(01:53:54):
a lot, you know too so he's gonna press him.
Mentally as well and does he get into that same spot,
where it's, like oh, shit you know what are your
thoughts heading? Into THIS one because i remember not long
ago You started leading fundora a Little, BIT were YEAH.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
I Think i. THINK i'm There i think i'm gonna
make The call for fundora. ON this one i think
here people were missing like what, you refer, To you
know zoo just getting Blown, Away by bertzaliev like like
this is not. AN immediate rematch i mean, that was
discussed didn't happen and didn't Work. Out for, zoo you

(01:54:36):
know like this is, not you know people are like,
IN their mind i think they know they're like taking
this like. An immediate rematch it's not. AN immediate Rematch
i mean zuo, got blown away took a, lot of punishment,
and you know It wasn't Like fondora Against mendoza when
ferndora's dominating the fight and he. Just got called, NOW
you Know i Know, zoo HANDLED mendoza but i mean
like that was a getting call, kind of thing Like

(01:54:59):
You know. ZOO mersalie, of i, mean the dude the
dude just. Got blown over he just got dominated. And
blown away And then like i'm, adding TO that like,
i just THOUGHT even though i think he had some,
Talent Like that joey spencer just put a non effort.
In against him Now that's, Not, zoo's fault like That's not.
Kid zoe's fault he did what he, needs to DO but. Like,

(01:55:23):
i can't Yeah that's what i'm. Looking out there i'm
like that that was just So. Bad by spencer i'm
like that didn't. REALLY prove, Anything i mean spencer just
didn't offer. Any real. RESISTANCE he, wasn't i mean Like
we Saw spencer against, ramos even overmatched he was literally
throwing punches back when. IT got, stopped i mean that

(01:55:44):
was nothing like what We, Saw against zoo like there's.
SOMETHING like this i mean that was like that was like.
A non effort that was just like what the hell is? This,
to ME like so i, don't mean, like you know
a type of thing like, A you know i'm not
like a. TYPE of thing i Just mean like spencer
and his dad or like just they're coming in for
a payday or something was. Right right exactly it was like.

(01:56:09):
A no Show so So i'm not i'm not putting any,
stock in that even Though that's. Not zoo's fall, and You,
know so, fondora you know he picked up another win.
ALONG the Way i think fundora has the power to
knock people out. With those uppercuts, but you know there
ARE times now i think even he worries about his

(01:56:29):
own vulnerability and he'll he'll back off. From doing, THAT
like so i don't see a War where like fondora
is laying it on the line Trying to. KNOCK zoo
out i think that would be a really exciting fight
if he tried to Do that and zoo, was firing
Back and maybe fondora gets Him or or Zoo. Then
GETS fondora but I don't think fundora is going. TO

(01:56:50):
do that i think he'll probably be at a high
volume of boxing occasionally and you're using his jab SOME
and and i don't like him as. MUCH like that
i don't think he's as good, Of A fighter but
i kind of feel like he's gonna put enough of
that together that he'll take the. DECISION this, time i mean,
he's the underdog but that that surprised me. A LITTLE

(01:57:12):
bit but I just think zoo Damage, WITH that mersaliev
i mean just. GETTING blown away i think that's going
to play. SOME role here i think. IT'S being discounted
i don't think he. Can discount that you got to
look at this as it's not an Immediate rematch like zoo.
Had that cut now we're having. An immediate, Rematch you
know zoo took, damage IN between and i think it

(01:57:36):
matters the. Way it happened he's just going to. Be
MORE vulnerable SO i don't I don't see fundor necessarily
committing to try to. Knock him out And that's why.
I'm Thinking decision but i'm Gonna go with fundora in
the upset since he. Is The underdog but i'm going
to stay With it. All i'll go. I'll go, decision you,

(01:57:57):
know interesting FIGHT but again i think you have to
keep in mind this this is not. An immediate, rematch.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
So yeah and, to your point had his corner done
the right thing one or two the fight played out
how he did and they did go to, AN immediate
rematch I Would. Favor, tim zuo yeah that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
WOULD be DIFFERENT i mean i think AT that POINT
i might i Might have leaned zoo if it was, an, Immediate,
rematch right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
After that cut it's clearly to. Be that competitive with
that much blood, in your eye it does say something
and that is stuck. In my head and then, there,
are levels right and, we'll find out you Know what
level bakraham is that he Might be fighting, lupin HERE
Soon which.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
I that's what. I'm, saying today WELL one thing i
do want To add about fundor that WORRIES me that
i haven't HEARD discussed. And i don't, but to me
it's not out, of the blue because early IN his
career i, was, saying that, Like you know fundora with
that really in terms of boxing hit history and an
abnormal height for the weight, He you know i'm going

(01:59:05):
to say That even, Though i'm picking i'm like he's
been at one this is not a weight class thing
when you're, at his height like he's been at one fifty,
Four TOO long like i will. JUST say, That i
mean i'm gonna, say to me it's too long now
like he ought to be up, like you know. At
that height, WHATEVER he's doing i think, it's too long. Especially, right,

(01:59:29):
now yeah exactly there's nothing at, one sixty, basically you
know especially after the first, couple of, Guys You know Jane.
Beec AND adamas so i just, and you Know with,
WITH fundora's, height, i mean heck he, could be, fighting
you know if his, chin holds up he could be fighting.
THAT cruiser, weight i, MEAN you know i wouldn't say

(01:59:49):
it would hold, up for heavyweight but he's got the.
Height for it but like to, be you know the,
ONE fifty four, i could, see you know a dangerous
package and something we've. Never seen before but he's kind of,
done that already like and just. STAYING there, now, I
mean yeah i know, paydays and marketability but it's it's.
Probably past time, SO you know i don't want to

(02:00:11):
take Something, Away from zoo but like that's worries Me somewhat,
about Fondora too that i'm saying, at this point like
him still coming in at, one fifty four that's, A
time bomb like it's it's not gonna it's not gonna
be there real soon if he. Keeps, doing that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
Well, TO your point i saw the fight Way back
in august Twenty nineteen Against, clark where clark both of
them have the longest legs you'll ever see in, a,
Ring Together right but clark got knocked out. Of the
RING all as i saw was legs and he. Got back,
in but anyway, to your, point you know he has

(02:00:47):
been on some sort of level, since, twenty nineteen right so.
That is long but Another thing about fundora is he
can he gets. Hit a, lot you know he doesn't get,
hit a lot and so his defense lets him, down a.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
Lot it does but he's so tall that Like even
though mendoza did, It, to him yeah and he and
he doesn't. Always fight tall but like you're you're delivery system. Before,
that happened yeah it's it's hard, to, better performances right
it's hard to always get a clean shot on him because.

(02:01:27):
He's so tall even though his defense.

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
Isn't, the greatest well, early in fights that's where he's vulnerable,
in my opinion because and it's to get. Hit a
lot not obviously he got, knocked out later but u
but as far as winning, rounds against them he. Loses
rounds early and, to the point even BEFORE that fight
i just mentioned he was going against this is when,

(02:01:50):
he first started he was going against, a local, fighter
you know like, a club fighter and for about a
round and a half to two rounds his club fighter
was giving. Him the business but then he settled in
and you. Know all that but, my POINT is, ALTHOUGH i,
CAN i can i can point Two deficiencies in fandora

(02:02:11):
because there are a fair amount The way tim zo at.
His best fights is he, gonna be, meant you know
because he has, to come forward he. Has to jab
we saw him getting knocked down get. Right back up yeah,
that was then though it was a couple. Of years
ago that Was at the. Army again too but like
the way he has to win the fight. Does worry

(02:02:34):
me it does weary me because he really is gonna
have to go through punishment and he's right in front
of the guy and sure he'll move his head a
little bit, too or whatever but he's he's got. A
good job i like the way he mix, his punched
up go, to the body plenty of, body, to hit
right because the dude's, a you. Know a tree but
that's The thing that i'm worried About picking tim zoo

(02:02:57):
is how he has to win and will he be
to go? Through? That PUNISHMENT right but i Am going
tim zu, for the win just looking, at it here,
like you said and this is a couple. Of Days
ago but fondora plus one, eighteen in general. Just straight

(02:03:18):
up fundora by decision Plus two ninety ferndora by knockout plus.
Three Point thirty tim zu by knockout plus one sixty
one by decision plus. Two seventy five that's a. Pretty
BIG disparancy so i am gonna, go By. Decision tim

(02:03:43):
zuo BUT that's what i like, about THIS fight because
i think both arguments. Could BE had, AND i. Am
i am It seems like fondora he's already proven he
can bounce back and he, CAN you know, I don't,
KNOW i am i am a little worried because, like
you said said how that fight went and it and

(02:04:03):
remember after he didn't know where. He barely was, he's like,
Shock you know so.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
He's more vulnerable i'm not saying he's, getting knocked out
but that's just the, Way it is like that's the,
way the works and people, Don't realize that like he's
more vulnerable to get get, knocked out. Now you Know
of course fondora was after he got Taken out, by
mendoza too, But you know zoo really took a lot of.

Speaker 1 (02:04:26):
Shots plenty of positives in that Fight before from dora, got,
knocked out.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
Right he was dominating to, fight before.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
That, and YOU know, like i said, They you know
i'm looking at. It right now one ninety four to
one seventy five was. The punch stats fandora laying, on
seventy five but almost forty four percent Landed for tim,
zoo overall punches not. Even power punches, so you know

(02:04:58):
it's it's it's. A good one it's. A good one
i really that that's.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
It should BE a good i mean it should be.
A good fight i mean it is a. Good, intriguing.

Speaker 1 (02:05:05):
FIGHT yeah yep i think it's gonna be. A fun,
FIGHT you know. I don't, Know we'll see we'll see how, it,
plays out obviously and then we have A, Rematch with Fierra.
Fierro and cruz, speaking of punches two forty eight to. Two,
thirty eight uh these dudes are just gonna. Get it
in that's. What's gonna happen they're Gonna you think cruz,

(02:05:27):
can you know win by a better margin and make
everyone think he actually won or do you think it's
JUST a good tv fight and it's gonna? HAPPEN and,
whatever i mean where where you at?

Speaker 2 (02:05:38):
With? THIS fight Yeah i think cruise. SHOULD win, THIS
i mean i didn't know if we needed. THIS one, again,
i mean, yeah, you know yeah He, stumbled AGAINST valenzuela
BUT i think i, THINK this One I think Cruse i.
THINK cruise Will i think cruise. WILL win this i.

Speaker 1 (02:05:54):
JUST think agree i think it'll just be a fun.
Fight to watch hopefully they can live up. To it
somewhat and then, we, also have hey we do have
a free, well not free but we do have a
subscriber fight On his Own bam and Kafu and then.

(02:06:18):
Pacheco and mccumbe a, lot of, people you know rated
mccumby high after, the plant thing but we've we've have
conversations about that here. On the podcast and will we
find out actually mccumby it was more plant faded than
mccomby that good or do you think this is a
good test because we know he'll mix It up with

(02:06:39):
pacheco or DO you THINK i think.

Speaker 2 (02:06:41):
I think BOTH i think i think both of these fights.
Are Being overrated the, But You, KNOW bam, RODRIGUEZ i
mean i think he's. TOTALLY for real i think he.
Is that good but when, you get low you got
too many weight classes more so than even, the upper

(02:07:02):
divisions and, too many belts and they're they're taking guys
that have a belt that band is, clearly superior to
and then people who get too far the other. Way
on this we don't pay attention to. The little guys
they overrate, fights like this YOU know, What i mean
like This is NOT Yeah. It's vam, rodriguez you know

(02:07:23):
he's in a. Lower weight class he's a legit top
ten pound. FOR pound guy i. Think that too but
this isn't, a good fight right just because this guy's got,
an alphabet, belt you know because this guy's got an,
alpha that belt and you know that that's where you
get too. MUCH of, that, i mean, like YOU know
so i don't think that's that good, of a fight

(02:07:43):
and odds reflect. That going IN and then i think
it's what you. SAID with McCombe i mean McCombe yet
he had a no but you look at who he
fought before playing it was it. WAS absolutely. NOBODY i
don't i just, think it's, More you know plant might,
be somewhat faded and, we, Saw that RIGHT AND so

(02:08:08):
I i think i'm not As sold on i'm not
As sold on pacheco. As some people but with, THAT
part understood i think.

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
He just blows because isn't a. TEST for him i
don't think it's a. Test at all maybe some. Early
round stuff and then it's over, maybe you know. Something like,
THAT but, YEAH i agree.

Speaker 2 (02:08:26):
I THINK he's gonna i think he's gonna take.

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
Him out early it's. Just a hardcore the hardcore is, know,
Him now right, so, it's hey dude but PLAN it's like,
i hear you but look at play and pull the
trigger in, his last fight in, his last, fight, you.

Speaker 2 (02:08:41):
Know right and the way he, was fighting McCombe it
wasn't even the way he.

Speaker 1 (02:08:44):
Would, normally fight no he like underestimated a big time.

Speaker 2 (02:08:48):
Because he, was you know which is a side, of being, faded,
you know yeah not being able and we we definitely
saw it again present as really if you look at,
plants last too he can't box like he. Used, To
IT yeah, LIKE i said i compared him to like
a kind Of Like. A roy jones some of the style,
not as good but like refles are, just not, there.

Speaker 1 (02:09:09):
You know yep and that is speaking, of you know
reactions and speed and coordination and. All that, that you
know he needs that to be at the tippy top
level to, show his style, which you know he had
his time and he gave me a good fight and
then you know He gave but benavidez, a good fight
and he's, a respected fighter but those, days, are.

Speaker 2 (02:09:30):
Gone yes EXACTLY and so i think, you know this
this should be a setup, for, YOU know, Really i
mean bam should Look good and pacheco should look GOOD
at THESE i don't i don't think these two fights
are going.

Speaker 1 (02:09:42):
To Be competitive so BAM's wrapped up in a sanctioning
body special that, is, really right, right exactly. RIGHT that's
FAIR i think i think. You're, right up, okay REAL
quick because i know we've been, A LITTLE long so
i Meant Earlier, about turkey. Sadi the ring all that

(02:10:04):
we get riat. Season twenty thirty we understand what. You're
building to we understand you're building for your, G, You
know gdp we get. All that stuff but if you're
actually trying to make a dent and you have What you,
had saturday night which were a, GREAT quadruple header i mean, that,
was fun right and a lot of different type of

(02:10:26):
fans could look at that, and, be like dude that was.
Some good, scraps you know it was a good. Night
of fights there's just no. Way. AROUND it, now i,
noticed you know we know that the zone In, SOME
territories japan, uk you KNOW in the uk they do
have some good football slash soccer rights and they just got.

(02:10:46):
Some MORE too and i wouldn't doubt if that ten
percent that they just that billion they Just put in sadi, bought,
Those rights Right that's. What I'm guessing so i'm seeing
that they bought the rights for this tournament, that just
happened that a certain somebody. Took the trophy but we
won't go we, won't go there we. Won't go THERE

(02:11:08):
but but i saw the zone BEING advertised ON Tnt
and hbo max and down to the damn microphone talking over,
and over again and they had. His own thing and
so they have, a deal obviously right and so, and
YOU know MAYBE t and t got into this because

(02:11:29):
they're Getting In, the french open they're getting to the
college football playoffs because we know they DON'T, have the
nba so they have some extra money and they want
to keep their. Sports, vibe going now maybe it's a
time by to start and it turns into a Licensing
fee or john just a, small licensing fee just, a
small one because everything is small when it comes to

(02:11:51):
the revenue in this space. That, he's got anyway you're not,
Making MONEY anyway so i think whether it's time by
or maybe even you could get them to pay you
a little bit just so you have that bottom. Line
of something because they put the damn pay per view
on the YouTube channel forty, eight hours later you're just

(02:12:11):
killing any kind of sales, you're gonna. Have you know
so if, you're doing that then either stream it on,
YouTube for free, or you know make A Deal with HBO. Max,
AND tnt yeah i, MEAN Right. Now hbo max you
know it GOT rebranded COMBINE Hbo. And hbo max one

(02:12:33):
hundred and twenty, two, million global right this is as
first quarter. Twenty, twenty five okay they have fifty four
right around fifty MILLION. In the US and then tnt.
Does live? Sports why not why should your smallest audience
shouldn't be when it's, Live right right and now we're

(02:12:57):
gonna look, at those numbers some of the numbers that, they,
you know uh two days later when they, put THEM
on like I saw the shiraz fight at like, three
hundred thousand, and that's great. That's all fine you can, still,
do that right you can. Still do that maybe you
wait five days or a week like they USED to On, hbo,
or showtime right but just something like that where you're

(02:13:19):
not even spending a ton of money to get the
time by or to take the. Little licensing fee Imagine
That card john STRINGING Live on hbo max AND live on.
CNC that, night i mean that would be. Pretty fucking.
Cool you know that's that's.

Speaker 2 (02:13:35):
The Kind of thing design's been missing. From the, beginning
you know THEY needed that us traditional outlet combined with
what they were doing because they can't get can't get
the exposure enough, on their own can't advertise it enough,
on their own and then they just DON'T have. Enough
us subscribers. They, never have.

Speaker 1 (02:13:56):
Yeah they've never gone over a million SUBSCRIBERS in the
us right at, least boxing fans because they've never released
they've never it's always world, numbers with them you know
when they say, it's always.

Speaker 2 (02:14:12):
Right and the streamers KNOW the, Real us Numbers like
even netflix, started doing that Like With, The tyson paul
like they're given World numbers, and, i'm like dudes you
KNOW what the us. Numbers were streaming it's. Not a
guess it's there's actually a bean counter that knows EXACTLY
how many us streams, there.

Speaker 1 (02:14:31):
Were so and you know that night, probably you know
even as.

Speaker 2 (02:14:35):
Much, as that hit there's always a little part of,
me that Says why did netflix Never release the i've
NEVER seen a.

Speaker 1 (02:14:41):
Us number on it's always been an estimation, or a,
lie you know some kind. Of mumbo jumbo it's always.

Speaker 2 (02:14:49):
Been a world it's always been, a world, Number You know, and,
i'm like well why aren't you GIVING us? The?

Speaker 1 (02:14:55):
Us, number impressions, okay you, know either. Way it's good it, did,
A lot yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:15:03):
I mean you could. Just FEEL it but, i, still
like well why aren't you, given it's more of course
than any other boxing. Has been getting don't, get ME
wrong but i still why aren't you giving ME the
because i, need that, BAROMETER you know i, need, to, know,
like like who how many PEOPLE in the us? Then
are seeing it's gonna matter because we've got the one
good thing she's doing Is we, got canelo there so

(02:15:26):
he should be. Doing that more but at least on.
The big one, he's, Got.

Speaker 1 (02:15:29):
That right, so it's, crazy you know maybe, that'll, be
like hey, Wait a second i'm doing, this all.

Speaker 2 (02:15:36):
Backwards, you know yeah. IT'S absolutely critical i mean that,
that you know We Had the, Tailor surranta three, so
ONE down and i like the. PRODUCTION and everything i
don't know what. THE numbers were i haven't seen, a
number yet, but you know then the next big, one we,
Got You know canelo. Crawford a couple.

Speaker 1 (02:15:52):
The number they released was almost six million, live viewers
worldwide in FOUR point two. Us live viewers that's. What,
they released.

Speaker 2 (02:16:02):
Okay that's low. For that platform that's SLOWER than what i.

Speaker 1 (02:16:06):
Would have thought but even if you cut, it in
half it's still two million peaking, At two million.

Speaker 2 (02:16:12):
But it's still much more than any. Other fights getting
and that that's what. We're talking about so like what.

Speaker 1 (02:16:17):
You have to again and a half, if you want
if you, don't, believe it cool let's cut. It in half,
still damn, Good you KNOW.

Speaker 2 (02:16:22):
And like, i always say what you have to then
keep in mind is That That makes Katie Taylor and
amanda serrano more valuable than all kinds of other fighters
mail and a lot of people. Don't, get that like
once you get, seen like that you're so far above
everybody else in boxing that you carry that value the rest.

(02:16:43):
Of your career there's no.

Speaker 1 (02:16:45):
Doubt about it we've seen it time, and time again
even if IT'S on, the b side. We've seen it
So If if brandon figueroa Has Problems, with joe gonzalez is.

Speaker 2 (02:16:57):
That, a problem yes that's A problem because gonzalez has
been in, some entertaining scraps but normally his m is
he loses when he's fighting somebody at. An upper level
so you know that's what they're going for, with this
Fight is that gonzales can usually give you, a good
fight but. He's gonna lose so that's the way this

(02:17:17):
is supposed to Go. For free garowa so does good or.

Speaker 1 (02:17:21):
Rally or, something you're right, he always try he always
keeps it kind of.

Speaker 2 (02:17:25):
Tight, or whatever right but, you know this this this
is A fight that figureo is. Supposed, To, win yeap
yes so, you know entertaining but you know it would
be a big Upset if, if, Gonzales WON right but, i,
did not, like you know that was. A head scratcher
i mean that, was you know you get a, lot,
of ones RIGHT but one i did feel wrong, about,

(02:17:47):
was like man His performance in fulton too was. Just,
not GOOD yeah Figure i mean fulton's, a good fighter,
but like that that was just. Not a good that
was not. A good performance it's kind it back, to
me now, like you, know, thinking like yeah that was
not that was.

Speaker 1 (02:18:03):
Not seen him in the, ring before, too you know
with the same fighter that you can look at, The
you know fulton is the guy who was the one
not looking good, in, two, fights right well it's one, thing, against,
anyway okay fine but then he came back and didn't look,
good at all got dropped again, and was like.

Speaker 2 (02:18:23):
You KNOW so and i personally thought that even though it,
WAS real Tight i thought figueroa won. The FIRST fight
so i was horribly Disappointed by figure o in that
matchup Rematch, Credit to, fulton but yeah there is a question,
Because of that like Even though It's, joe at gonzalez, like,
you know hey it happens at the, lower weights, especially

(02:18:44):
you know his figurero. On a downside i'm not saying,
he necessarily.

Speaker 1 (02:18:48):
Yes because it's not why it's it's it's not wide,
for boxing, standards you.

Speaker 2 (02:18:54):
Know and he's taken a. Lot of, shots you Know
he chose he's a guy that probably could have fought in,
a different style but he never or has and he's already.
Taken the shots so you know that damage is there
that you. Cannot do, that so yeah it's kind of
like a figure always got, has trouble here there's questions

(02:19:15):
and maybe what.

Speaker 1 (02:19:15):
He's, GOT left Yeah I saw jake Paul sniffing Around
badu jack son Sniffing around body jack. You, mentioned earlier,
UH you know i do Think like bird langa would
be a good, opponent for, him you know as far

(02:19:38):
as what he's looking To, do obviously, badu you know
if he, wants a belt, you know what do you
think body has enough? To Beat him though.

Speaker 2 (02:19:51):
I'm taking shots, and your guy he's in, his, FORTIES now,
right i MEAN you know i Would think, WITH badu
though i still just, got too much too much. High
level experience i'm still going.

Speaker 1 (02:20:07):
To, BE old yeah i will fight with a split. Down,
HIS head YEAH i mean i would think even at.

Speaker 2 (02:20:16):
His, AGE and condition i think he's just had too
much high LEVEL experience that i Just don't think paul.
Could do it you got an age, gap and everything
but that, wouldn't to me that wouldn't seem to be a.
WAY to, Go i mean i'm berlin with with him Get.
Blown away saturday he just jumps out, at to, me,
it's like okay this could. Be, the guy.

Speaker 1 (02:20:38):
Plus it would be Perfect, for him, berlanga because, hey,
HE'S like dude i, can do this and he would go,
up and wait but then all, of a. Sudden he
is he'd be putting on, like twenty pounds like it's.
A little funky that's not. Just, jumping eight no.

Speaker 2 (02:20:50):
It's not EXACTLY that's what i, mean exactly right he's at, least,
that actually yeah because even IF you go i always
go on the, original eight analysis but even if you
go original, eight and hours he would be the equivalent
of a light heavy going up.

Speaker 1 (02:21:03):
To, heavyweight heavyweight yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:21:04):
And that's it that was always the historically that was
the toughest jump in, hill, was, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:21:09):
Yep yeah so there was a lot of small heavyweights.

Speaker 2 (02:21:13):
Right right exactly, so you know even though It's Not
that jake, paul's a monster but still he's been fighting
over the light the old one seventy five or the current.
Light heavyweight Limits, so for berlanga that, would, be like
Yeah that's what i'm, looking, At too right it's like
moving up from even in traditional classes from like light.
Heavy to. Heavy that's it that's the, toughest jump traditionally.

Speaker 1 (02:21:33):
So, that works yea with a little bit of movement
stuff that We've seen, from jake lately that could win
him to fight just jabbing HIM moving and.

Speaker 2 (02:21:42):
I really could with Really. Could, with berlanga, yeah pot.

Speaker 1 (02:21:46):
SHOT jab move i think that. Could, be possible, Yeah
all right well anything else that you'd. LIKE to discuss
i mean we definitely.

Speaker 2 (02:21:56):
Covered, A lot yeah i Think we've covered IT'S just as,
i said before it's it's like kind, of a shame but,
for boxing. Purists IT'S good like i do think at
where we're, at in Boxing This this usk dubois is
one of the best fights that, could be made and.
It's been, made you know we don't. Need undisputed hype.
Usik's the champ there, is no dispute, no legit dispute

(02:22:18):
so no MATTER what, the ibf says so it's for.
The heavyweight title it's just it's a shame that it's
pay per view and where boxing IS, in the us
this fight particularly just HAS absolutely no. Us, sensibilities unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (02:22:35):
Yeah and and, then you know like just the, pay
review stuff the three pay per views in this, in,
a week right and the crazy thing is that's the
second time we've. Had it already we're halfway, Through, The
year john we've already had Because remember Late, april to

(02:22:55):
may those Back To back friday saturday shows and then
you go back a week That was You, bank and
men So we had when does that ever happen where
we have three pay per views in a seven day
stretch twice already through half, Of the year it's.

Speaker 2 (02:23:12):
Probably never happened and unless you're.

Speaker 1 (02:23:15):
Talking about those discount ones that are ten or twenty
or something back in the.

Speaker 2 (02:23:18):
Day or, something even then though they weren't doing, them
that frequently they were doing those like, once a, Month
you know like.

Speaker 1 (02:23:24):
The highest we got was about twelve or fourteen we
did one YEARS. Ago on hbo that's about as. High
WE got but i. Do never KNOW, and even ufc
who loves to, do payer views they at least put
at least a three week, buffer or something YOU know, what, I.

Speaker 2 (02:23:39):
Mean right yeah and they won't do like, twelve a,
year you know they'll do like.

Speaker 1 (02:23:44):
All short of.

Speaker 2 (02:23:45):
Twelve a year so. Now it's terrible, the only positive
there's nothing, positive about IT except that i saw more
people speaking out This, weekend, about, yeah yeah yeah like
rather than people rationalized for and like well we're hardcore.
And all that like now people, were just saying like,

(02:24:05):
what you said three pay per views in a short,
period of, time it's ridiculous, sports killing itself, Which, it
is yeah whatever's, left of it and you're not surviving
as a, sport like this. WHICH you're not i. Mean
you're not so this stuff's all being buried from. Most
people's view.

Speaker 1 (02:24:24):
AND at, least i mean how Many of the saudi
slash his own pay per views have even hit? TWO hundred, THOUSAND.

Speaker 2 (02:24:34):
I MEAN i just i gotta be thinking they're just
they're just not doing ANY kind.

Speaker 1 (02:24:38):
OF us numbers i mean even one hundred, And fifty
thousand like it's because we know that's. The last decade
that's a tough number.

Speaker 2 (02:24:46):
TO get to i DON'T think they're i don't think.
They're hitting that i'm just going to. TAKE a, GUESS i.
Mean I don't it's i think it. IS that bad
i wouldn't think they're doing. ONE hundred THOUSAND i, mean
i don't.

Speaker 1 (02:24:55):
And some of them. THEY definitely, haven't i mean we've
seen how hard, it is is even WHEN you have
espn top rank trying to do like two of. Them
or whatever it's hard to get to. Two hundred thousand
and it's. Been that way We saw glove can and
uh Uh glove Can Now no ward coble that couldn't
get like, the legit fights couldn't get to. Two hundred

(02:25:18):
thousand you Need like a Gervante or a spence, or
you know just to, get over that just to get
to two fifty three hundred. Three fifty, tops you know It's,
tough besides, canelo you.

Speaker 2 (02:25:30):
Know, But yeah exactly and and that's Why, guys like
fury even though it wasn't, what we hope that's Where
guys Like fury and wilder had value that people weren't
even giving. Them credit for like try to do the
eight hundred and fifty thousand now like that, those guys
did try to do.

Speaker 1 (02:25:47):
Three fights to add.

Speaker 2 (02:25:48):
UP to, exactly i mean look where we are just a.
FEW years, later i, mean you know so you need guys, like, that.

Speaker 1 (02:25:58):
Rating right sure it's like the, Definition.

Speaker 2 (02:26:02):
Of. It john yeah and you know when you're running
guys out there that haven't had the exposure and trying
to do, it with them it's like It's a suicide mission.

Speaker 1 (02:26:13):
Nop and that could have even if it hit A,
million on tnt, oh my god like, that'd be, great
you know and imagine all this. Social media, stuff you,
know it's right it's, just. A bummer man that's kind
of what you need to get.

Speaker 2 (02:26:27):
It BACK out, and i, agree you know we, can
wrap up, but it's like and That's where Again taylor
and serrano still is, what, you need right you gotta
we're so FAR down. In, us boxing yeah you got
to get people out there where at least like over
a million people. ARE watching, it i, mean you know
just to, get something going and you're not going to
get in that with these, pay per views and you really.

(02:26:50):
Need a guy it's hard now, even you know except
For like a stevens and people weren't even DOING it on.
Espn so regularly so like that's how. Bad it, is
you know, you need, like all right so Tail. Or
in serranta we're, in the millions which we'll not, even
get late but you need you just need a lot
of that to get to get the. Sport, back going.

Speaker 1 (02:27:09):
Yeah and most of the time it was A, leading from,
espn you know a leading the game that people complained
about but that thing helped, them a. Lot you, know
all right john it's good. Talking, To, you hey July
we said july is gonna be fun and, in some,
ways you, know, fight wise anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:27:29):
We got a lot of.

Speaker 1 (02:27:30):
Shit going on, so that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:27:31):
That's that's what if there's one bright spot quite the pay,
per view stuff it's at least the month. HAS been,
interesting i mean we had months that weren't even, interesting
before this.

Speaker 1 (02:27:42):
And, you're like august like this.

Speaker 2 (02:27:47):
Month is interesting it just does get your enthusiasm.

Speaker 1 (02:27:50):
Going, like, that yeah, Yeah, all right johnny you have, a.
Good night Man, you take chris have.

Speaker 2 (02:27:55):
A good one. Enjoy the fight read, That, BOOK too yeah.
I believe it i recommend that one can get great reviews,
at THE time but i think, it's become forgotten slipped.
Under the radar there's a lot of really good stuff
in there that just doesn't get. Talked about anymore so
it's definitely.

Speaker 1 (02:28:09):
Worth a read it's funny that you bring it up
at my used buckstore looking. For something else he came across, the,
boxing said, AH five bucks i bet your, crystal like,
this and, boom you, know, so, YEAH.

Speaker 2 (02:28:20):
Call yeah i actually do recommend reading.

Speaker 1 (02:28:22):
That, Definitely, all right johnny you, take it, Easy all.

Speaker 2 (02:28:25):
Right, chris who too take care ye have, a good,
one you?

Speaker 1 (02:28:28):
Too all right and just to wrap, it, up here
oops just to wrap, this puppy up, so you know the.
Body jack thing it sounds like he made an agreement.
With his mandatory now it wasn't before. The first bid
now wasn't an agreement like a step. Aside or not

(02:28:51):
It Sounds like don, king, was like hey show, Me
the Money laila a lee willing To fight to laris
the shields for a. LOT of money i heard something
like you're talking about ten, or FIFTEEN million but i
don't see. THAT happening less, I guess well I would,

(02:29:12):
Say turkey, money saudi money but they don't do a
whole lot, of WOMEN'S fights so i think that would
be the only way that. Would be, going The sparring.
THE turkey sparring i DON'T know why i just Called it.
THE turkey sparring i don't think that's. What it was
but he live stream clearly he was trying to take
attention Away From the. Friday Night card but i'm torn,

(02:29:36):
because you know people do spar and. Don't get paid
but if you're, GONNA stream it. I don't know i
haven't heard that. Anybody got paid maybe they. Got little
money if you're gonna stream it and make it it
some some, FORM an event i wouldn't mind if they got. A,
LITTLE money well i wouldn't mind if he got a fair.

(02:29:58):
Amount of, money but people you do have to realize that,
people you know spar for free a. Lot of times now, you,
could say, well you know some people are sparring in
camp and it's not free because, you're getting paid that
your sparring partner might be getting, probably getting paid and
you gotta, fight coming up so you're. Gonna Get paid
but i'm just saying. Sparring in, general you know we're

(02:30:21):
talking about just. Sparring IN general so i. DIDN'T mind
it i. Don't mind it i'm not clutching my person or.
Nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (02:30:34):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (02:30:34):
Gonna pause, That but Yeah babraham and ericson if that
FIGHT on a, pbc card whatever it'd be nice if
it was a JUST straight up pbc card And, They
put Oshaki foster and fulton, Together with that, oh my
god that'd be a great. DOUBLE ladder side i really

(02:30:54):
hope they get, that fight done sign me the fuck up. For,
That fight okay i'm Gonna End. On, gervonte davis okay
So you know gervante continues to find himself. In, these,
scenarios okay now? Oh, Real Quick uh francisco rodriguez got

(02:31:21):
busted RIGHT with a vada. Test adverse findings dude landed
well over five hundred punches.

Speaker 2 (02:31:33):
ON ya faia i.

Speaker 1 (02:31:34):
Feel so bad for. THAT that guy i, already felt
bad but look at five seventy five out of one
thousand and. Eighty seven punches now he Landed to thirty you,
fight at it but he landed fifty over half of. His,
Power shots. Dude holy Shit And didn't francisco rodriguez have

(02:31:59):
a little bit of an issue before THIS too if. I, Remember,
correctly anyway Sorry. Back to gramonte, the THING is as
i said at the beginning. Of the, show you know
there's times where a story comes out and it's a, celebrity,

(02:32:23):
or whatever right, it's a politician it's it's, a public
figure and it actually turns out to be worse than.
You first thought it's? Like whoa, what and, then of
course on, the flip side, to be honest there's times
where it's a nothing burger, and you're like what the?

(02:32:45):
Hell you know and it and. It just it the person,
didn't do anything the. Charges get dropped there's also times
where the chargers, don't get dropped but then. They, get
dropped uh and it's a civil suit or it's it's
a it's just to pay you off and. It, Goes
away right so it happens not, just in sports but, we're,

(02:33:07):
in boxing right so that, this stuff happens whether it's
an altercation male. Female. Or fighting whatever, the POINT is
it's i can't sit there and tell you. Exactly what.
Happened you know allegedly he assaulted his ex girlfriend outside

(02:33:28):
of Her, HOME in, durrell i believe. And you know
the report goes, on to, say you know a course
and it was, a month later a few, weeks. Later
too right according, To, the rest davis who Currently Lives,
in coral springs Was Taken Into customy miami beached And

(02:33:50):
Transported To. Durell police department the report states that the
incident question happened The night. Of, June fifteenth right so
they were in a romantic, relationship for years two children,
And all that Right said the davis went to go

(02:34:10):
pick up The Children, for father's day but a verbal
altercation between him and the, victim en suit which allegedly
escalated to physical. You know altercation according, To the report
davis told the ex girlfriend to remove their children from

(02:34:31):
the car and no longer intended. To take them, but
that's where accordingly to the according, to The report allegedly, davis,
you know basically when she went to go retrieve their
daughter from, The, Back seat allegedly davis struck her in
the back of the head and then slapped her, in

(02:34:52):
the face causing a minor cut to the inner area.
Of her. Lip police said the victor him then sent
text message to her mother informing her, that you know he,
was assaulting her asking her. To come outside the victim's
mother then exited the residence saw her daughter visibly distressed Crying.

(02:35:14):
While argument davis according, to the report the victim's mother
film part of the altercation on, the cell phone And
it showed davis throwing a small box. At, the victim
now was it just a small box or was it
exactly what? The report says was? It even worse? WAS
it less? I, don't know okay and that's he was

(02:35:37):
arrested on. A, battery charge okay.

Speaker 2 (02:35:40):
So you know.

Speaker 1 (02:35:43):
Is there cameras in the front of the house where they?
Were assumingly anyway will that? Say something? ELSE you know,
I don't know but the point is you could, at
some point like if YOU'RE and, LIKE i, SAID i.
DON'T i don't i haven't. Seen the footage haven't seen

(02:36:06):
camera footage if, it you know whether it's a cell
PHONE or, like i said camera's, on the house. Haven't
seen IT so if i, say something like why don't
you just leave once, the, argument starts cool just roll
up your window and leave and go spend time. With
their kids that sounds like. A logical thing but. We
don't know we don't know, if what, happened YOU know

(02:36:33):
AND i and i hate to keep taking BOTH sides
and i, don't know though. That's The point and i've
just learned over the years that you just wait and
see what all. The evidence is, but either, way you
know so? Will, he fight well, he's he's, out you
know so there's a good chance he. Can, still fight

(02:36:54):
now maybe some of his past stuff could get mingled
in this different states. AND all that. I don't know
you know some of. THE judge stuff. I don't KNOW
but would i be surprised, If, HE fights. NO i
would i. WOULDN'T at, all i mean in the last,
year or two we've seen people fight that have some

(02:37:18):
other stuff. Jermeal, Or Sorry yeah jermale charlow is probably gonna,
fight this year and he has some stuff that as
far as if the voice recording is real that he
did something straight up and admits, it on tape, if
THAT tape, like i, said IS real which i, assume

(02:37:38):
IT is but. I Don't know so gervante continues. To
do this he's talked about how he needs help and that,
he needs, to you know talk about retiring because he
can't like he needs a certain level of whatever. Anger
and boxing but he also was he clearly admits he's got.

(02:38:03):
An anger issue so and you know what we have
seen and some of the decisions he, chose to make
like the like the last thing he got in trouble
for in the hit and run and. All that stuff

(02:38:23):
and obviously we saw him at. A basketball game although
people try to make it look like, he choked her
he man handled some a. Female in public so your
mind goes right to, behind closed doors what happens there
if he's willing. To do that But that's all. I'M

(02:38:46):
gonna say i don't know what ultimately this. IS gonna
COME i got i. NEED more information i can't just.
One side it, but, you know generally where there's enough
smoke of fire there means. It's A fire. SO i
don't i don't know though. In This scenario so i'm
not GONNA act. Like i do i'm very, against you know.

(02:39:10):
Domestic violence obviously well we'll see how. This plays out
but as far, as him fighting a lot of people
just assume he's. Not, gonna FIGHT maybe. BUT i wouldn't
i wouldn't just, H you know i wouldn't. JUST assume
that i wouldn't assume. That at all he. Definitely could
fight i'm gonna get. Out, of here okay hang on

(02:39:34):
a Couple of, Boxing Twitter Stuff So undisputed, boxing Game
said so taylor, showed Great boxing but shakor. Is A
runner katie taylor threw two thirty one punches and landed
seventy and. She's Getting praised hani Now, IT'S hany okay
haini threw two h twenty four and landed seventy y'all

(02:39:56):
tried to. Shit, On him okay so, first of all
there's two more rounds to land. And throw punches, second
of all there's a minute to each round more to.
Throw in land that kind, of you know that kind
of does. It for me, by The way the Hackett

(02:40:18):
elias or ELIAS ellis that i did see that in.
THE sparring stuff i did like that in the, Uh You,
know kurt scobie What? Was it Austin Is it mike austin?

Speaker 4 (02:40:34):
Something like that that was NASTY and, Like i Said And,
also walter Fury Cousin of, tyson fury upset he got
upset he.

Speaker 1 (02:40:46):
Was knocked Off and also fred makes. A Good point
when floyd Showcased the dog house sessions on a, fight
build up it led.

Speaker 6 (02:40:56):
To the investigation by the END a s A See
No Bada State athletic commission turkey held unsanctioned bouse dressed,
up as sparring which featured legal blows and fighters being
knocked out for a chance to Be on.

Speaker 1 (02:41:12):
A nevada undercard? WILL they, care i mean whether you
liked watching, it or not what he just. Said is
real that's. A good point that's a. Really good point
someone sent me The video of coppinger shaking his head
And Smiling when sabril mattias, won the fight like. Our,

(02:41:37):
guy won yeah he shook his, head, like yep yep like. He,
was happy now don't, Get me wrong i've seen a
lot on PRESS rout and i remember EVEN an off
tv bout or just a local fight THAT, wasn't ON
tv where I fully admitting i ooh in odd a

(02:41:59):
little bit too at, punches landed, right like, oh you
know as, A PRESS member So i admit i've done.
Some OF that and i remember there's this local guy
here that's really he's local famous on the, radio sports
radio and this mother effort, for good reason is staring
me down from across the ring like what? Are you

(02:42:19):
doing and he had every right, to do it but
it kind of put me in my, place, like oh.
Yeah you know it's one thing, to be like oh
that was, A great fighter oh that's. A Big shot
but i've seen people going way over fanboy. In press
row i've seen people drunk screaming. In press ROW so

(02:42:42):
so i can admit, some, Fault there right but when it's,
your paid jo. You're getting paid this is. Your one career,
you're in boxing your reporter for a ring and you're in,
the background, smiling going yup that was. Our guy on
that's just where we're. At right now that's. Where we're at,

(02:43:03):
by the Way According, to keith idac PBC's Looking into
scheduling august twenty third Of. Thirtieth in, vegas AND yeah
like I, MENTIONED al. Bernstein i felt he said he
felt compelled to do this Video about. The morell fight
i'm outraged. About the decision i'm more outraged about The

(02:43:27):
decision than i've been in years after, watching A fight
which i, BY the way i. Watched twice already if
You thought that morell, lost the, Fight that's fine but
to say That this outrage and it's Been years since
i've been this mad. At a fight what, But, come

(02:43:47):
on god, we, get IT dude the pbc, didn't you
know have? You on anymore, But come on and he's.
Done this before he's done this in minor stuff like
he made fun of, a studio shot didn't didn't say
the same thing about a to zone a week earlier or,
Something like that and both of. Them were true both looked.
Like bad production you know it looked like public access

(02:44:11):
Both Of them di ZONE, and the pbc but he
failed To mention that campbell hat and retires at the age.
Of twenty four, good, FOR him man. I like it.
Good For Him. Trill boxing magazine He Credits THE. Fight
Hub tv uh Hainy said that Ryan after the ryan
Rematch Fell through taoe. Femo. Fell through, uh, he said

(02:44:35):
YES the boots ns, at Forty seven but nis wanted
that one, fifty two catchweight so they didn't agree. On,
the wait. Interesting very interesting someone Someone on boxing twitter
Tried to put CHIRAZ In The uh antonio margarito talking,

(02:44:57):
about the, category talking, about you know his suspect hand
wraps and, Looking at, him it's like, here we.

Speaker 2 (02:45:06):
Go.

Speaker 1 (02:45:06):
Get dude cafu someone sent. THIS to me i can't
tell who who quote, Tweeted it said? Cafu is it.
Cafu can punch he, doesn't have bams polish or, well
rounded skills but he's unconventional. And, hits hard yeah. He
can punch THE unconventional thing i. Totally agree with there
is something to be, said ABOUT that but I just

(02:45:30):
don't i don't think there's much. More, Than That oh
abraham nova stepped In To Fight raymond ford august sixteenth
on another pay per view that shouldn't be. A pay
perview THIS is what i wanted. To Get to, So
Rodriguez fails francisco. Rodriguez Fails again any renoso has a
bunch of them all. Of A sudden now renoso said

(02:45:54):
he will no longer train or associate with fighters if
he can't oversee their. Nutrition, and supplements okay so we'll see.
WHERE that goes. I don't know, by the way tickets
Go on sale Thursday for That canelo. And crawford fight looking.

(02:46:17):
Forward To that eddie hearn Declared DEADLINE For Team u
bank junior. Twenty four hours bro or. We're moving, on
oh well you know it is. What It is jim,
Carross this okay so he's Talking about This laptin and
edmondson coming up in a handful Of days, on july,

(02:46:38):
Ninth excuse. ME july nineteenth i was actually looking in
the lap and. Not long, ago he says this is
a good matchup with the winner taking a. Big step
forward lapping IS someone who i think has a. Ton
of potential he's a walking mismatch at sixty Six trains
with usak looked feather fisted early, in his career but
the strength and power is. Coming along too now. He's,

(02:47:00):
the problem yeah it was actually just kind of checking
him out seeing that on The, schedule AGAINST edmonton and
i think they're BOTH undefeated if i.

Speaker 2 (02:47:08):
Remember it Correctly so now.

Speaker 1 (02:47:10):
I'll keep a sharper eye, on That, too because, KARA
you KNOW i just i a. Lot of, stuff you
know a lot of good stuff comes out.

Speaker 2 (02:47:19):
Of that, ACCOUNT.

Speaker 1 (02:47:23):
So Yeah i mean I've heard multiple I'm seeing These
lance pug meyers screenshot talking about conversation has Already happened,
if manny, Wins you Know. Floyd and nanny i'm. NOT
denying that i actually do think, it would happen but

(02:47:44):
you know it's don't think many. Can, Win it anyway
i'm gonna get, out of here enjoy the, fights this
week and we'll be.

Speaker 2 (02:47:50):
Back at it

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