Teofimo Turns Down Haney 11 Mill Offer!? -Recap Caleb Plant Upset! What's Next Charlo? Keyshawn Davis!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, what up, boxing fans. This is the rope of
the Dove Radio podcast. I am your host, Chris Carlson.
We are live on a Tuesday night. Did you hear
me how I said Tuesday? You can tell I just
woke up from a nap, you know those naps that
you're like, I'm just gonna just gonna I'm just gonna
rest my eyes. So I just need like fifteen to

(00:23):
twenty minute two hours just like that, just so so
bear with me. But I did say last week that
I was gonna make a Tuesday Night, and I damn
I almost slept right through it. Anyway, we will do
some recap. We had an upset, a very sizeable upset

(00:45):
of Caleb Plant. Uh resund these man great performance. I
did underestimate them. A lot of podcasts and media members,
whether full or part time, will not own up to
stuff right, always make excuses and all that. And sometimes
I always say there's excuses, there's reasons. Sometimes it's right

(01:07):
in between that when it comes to like fighters and
fights and outcomes and all that. But I was wrong.
I thought were Sunday's was very solid, but I did
not think he would be Caleb Plant. I thought it
was just a solid showcase fight to get him to
the next fight. That's what it appeared to be. That

(01:31):
wasn't the case. That wasn't the case. Turned out to
be a very good fight, and that was a very
good fight. Then you start to look and you go, damn,
you know, I like that the young ins got tests
on paper turned out to not be tests, but that's
because they overachieved or really showed what they're worth. On

(01:52):
the undercard, it was a pretty damn good card. Charlo's
jab looked really great. I'm actually glad he went more
rounds than some people thought he would. So, yeah, it
was nice seeing a Charlo back. I will say that
Mal Charlow that that was fun to see, and then

(02:14):
you know, we'll talk about some other items. Of course,
excuse me from the weekend. You know, we had a
really good back, had a really good fight with Folden
that was a very good fight as well on that

(02:35):
Golden Boy to his own card, so we'll talk about that. Then.
Of course, we do have cards coming up this weekend
on ESPN Slash, ESPN Plus in the Zone. We got
a heavyweight fight which I'm looking forward to, and you know,
Keishan Davis is back. He's fighting an opponent that a
lot of people don't like to watch. But I still

(02:57):
think he's a solid opponent, and I still think this
time in his career, it's still a quality opponent and
it is one of those measuring sticks. How did you
look against them? Okay, when he did this? What did
you do? You know? So I'm actually looking forward to that.
There are some good fights, you know, after this week though.

(03:18):
I was just looking back at the schedule and it
does drop off until July, which is kind of a bummer,
but not that there's any you know, nothing, because there
is there's some good especially maybe some undercard fights that
you maybe would like more than the main event. But yeah,
it falls off, you know, but either way, we will,

(03:44):
like I said, preview and and talk our way through
and I say we usually we meaning us listening to
this right us boxing fans. But John is going to
be able to join us. I'm gonna get him on
here really quick, like, and we do have some fight news,
a little boxing Twitter stuff per usual. But tail female
Lopez say it ain't so really now, I did think

(04:09):
Boots should have taken that fight, that said, I think
I know I should say on both of those that
tale Fema Lopez. You know, it's out of his mouth
for the eleven mil so, he had eleven mils sitting

(04:30):
on the table to fight Devin Hamy, and he's willing
to fight at forty seven for Boots. I get it.
It's lineal, but still you're willing to fight him at
forty seven. I don't know, man, there was a catchwaiting Bulbs.
They seem to agreed on certain terms. It was just
about signing the contract, and here we go again with

(04:52):
this fucking public negotiations. Dude, they don't fucking work, Dude,
they really don't. Maybe after a failed negotiation they end
up working like Spence Crawford. It just if this is
like this right now and Tail doesn't take this fight,

(05:15):
I mean, I'm not a big you know, I don't know.
I'm not a guy that likes to be like older
Dunk and he's Dunk and he's afraid he's this, He's that.
Every I'm not just Tail. I'm saying everybody.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
You know, a lot of times it just comes down
to the business. But I I need some explain it.
I need to hear some reasoning on this one, like
you should have, you know, had a press conference or
something like something's going on to where you can't fight

(05:48):
or something like that. I don't know, man, It's it's
fucking crazy, man. I'm a fight from a one to
twenty six pounder going up to one thirty sounds like
it's a done deal and it's a phenomenal fight. Yeah,

(06:09):
what will just kind of look like, where does Caleb
Plant go from here? Is there a rematch? Is it
Charlo and Riscendez? Do they go Charlo and try to
you know, I don't know. I don't know where they go.
It's gonna be interesting though. Like I said, it was
nice to have a Charlo back before we get it going. Though.
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as I mentioned before, shoot we will get Okay, I'm

(08:02):
gonna get John in here in just a half a second.
Why don't we go over that beck uh fulghum fight.
That was a good fight. That was a good fight.
I gave Folden the first round. You know, not a

(08:22):
whole lot happened there. I thought Darius maybe landed the
better shots. It was pretty slow. But then Beck Melo
kauz Zuez Melo kazu zee Zee. I thought he went
on a little two round two, three and four. His

(08:42):
left hand was landing to the head and body. That
left hook to the head was landed, but either straight
or left, you know, straight left or left hooks, and
then he was adding a little bit of movement in there.
So I had him up three to one after full four.
The fifth round, although early and late Beck did some

(09:04):
nice work, I thought the overall better lands were full
of them. Sixth round, two way round. Man, that was
really really close. I could have went either way. Now
I saw I believe the judges scored nine to nine.
So where was this fight? I should look really quick

(09:26):
because I thought it was a ten point must system
because there was a beck uh. Beck was penalized for
holding in the seventh round, and I could have sworn.
I saw someone say that was it was nine nine rounds,

(09:46):
but I thought Beck won the round. But there was
a penalty. So in a in a ten point must system,
that's usually not necessarily nine to nine. That's ten to nine,
even though it seems weird at home though, that's nine
to nine. Let's see here. I did think Beck kind

(10:10):
of got it going a little bit in the in
the eighth his jab in left hands. The ninth I
gave to Folgum. Uh, there was a late you know,
there was a late shot in Actually in that eighth
round he stumbled Folgum like fairly. You know, it was

(10:30):
pretty big. The ninth and well, say, the ninth I
gave the folgum. The tenth I gave to Beck. Very close.
Eleventh round. I gave the folgum and then a left hand.
It was the right to the body and a left
hand up top fairly early in the twelve drop Folgum.

(10:52):
Beck won that round ten to eight. I mean it
was really close. I think it was basically one fifteen
one thirteen, but one fourteen one twelve because of how
that worked out with both both of them getting a
point deducted. So very competitive. I did that Beck winning,

(11:13):
but it was close. It was very close. If they
ran it back, I wouldn't be mad. They're both pretty young,
so maybe they won't necessarily run it back. Maybe they
run it back, you know, in due time. I guess
you could say. My guess is they're going to move back.

(11:36):
They're gonna move them up, and not to say I
think Vulgan was like, you know, have them take a
bunch of steps back or anything. But but I could
see them not running it right back, is my point.
So very good fight. I just text John here, so
we'll get them in the fold. Let's see the Lucero

(12:04):
and Velenzuela fight. I was looking forward to this fight,
you know, I had Lucero for sure, but I did
think that it would be that the fight would last
longer at least, you know, I thought it'd be. It
was not that it wasn't competitive, because there was a
little bit of that. The I mean, the first round

(12:25):
was very entertained. These dudes came to bang Lucera with
his jab and one two's Velenzuela with the hooks to
the body and head. Like I said, very entertaining first round.
You knew they meant business on paper. It seemed that
way too. Really early and kind of in the second

(12:47):
half of the of the second round, it was two
way dude just banging on the inside. A flush right
hook landed perfectly, knocked them down and right as the
round was ending, they they stopped it. And I did

(13:11):
kind of think it was early, that said Lucero. You know,
what he was landing compared to Vellensuilla in a short period.
Obviously I kind of favored his work anyway, but I
did think it was a little early right at the
end of the Okay, here's I see John. I'm gonna
go ahead and get him involved. Here. You should be

(13:36):
popping up here any second. There we go. Hey, what's
going on, John? How you doing?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Hey, Chris? How are you tonight? Not bad?

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Not bad man, Just it's funny. I actually, uh, I
got stuff done right. And then I did the old
I'm just gonna rest my eyes, you know for just
a little bit, and all of a sudden way beat
like I should have said an alarm type nap, you know,

(14:12):
and it went way further than planned, and I was like,
oh shit, I gotta oh my god, you know. So
I'm I'm trying to get some caffeine in me. It's
probably gonna be a late night. I'll probably have to
read late at night to make me tired or something
like that. But uh, but it's good to have you
back on the show. How you doing.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Good?

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Good?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, I know I know what you mean. I almost
had one of those after lunch today. But I remember
reading some Navy seal stuff in recent years, and they
said they have no problems with taking naps, but even
if it's five minutes, they set them. They set the
alarm for the exact reason you're describing, so kind of

(14:57):
kind of works. I've started doing that because because you
never know.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
So yeah, and you know, like a good area as
long as it's not too long. You know, once you
get too long in your nap, then it starts to
make it kind of faded. But man, a good just
shut your eye, rest your eye nap. It really does
kind of rejuvenates you for the rest of the day
or night or whatever it is. I definitely, uh yeah,

(15:23):
some people hate him. They just it just makes them
tired and they can't you know, they just want to
sleep that for that, But yeah, I've kind of always
done that throughout my life. So we obviously are coming
off a weekend where we had a pretty good fight
on Friday night, the main event on the Zone, we

(15:45):
had an upset of Caleb Plant. Some young guys look
pretty good. On the undercard on the PBC, we had
Charlo Charlo back. We'll see where it goes from here. Obviously,
you can't you can only take so much out of
you know, given the opponent, I did like what I
saw of his jab. I kind of missed his jab

(16:07):
because he's got such a good job when he uses it.
So we'll start, well, why don't we start on the
PBC side of it, just because there was a pretty
damn big upset that I really looked at it, like
Rescendas is a good fighter or whatever. But I thought
it was like just a good showcase, you know, to

(16:27):
get to the Charlot fight. That's the way I looked
at it going in. I didn't really give Rassinda's a
big chance to win. I also, even in the prediction
segment on the show and the little write up that
I do, you know, clearly Plants not in his prime anymore.
We kind of knew that going in. But the combination

(16:49):
of the style, the body shots, those overhand rights that
were just landing well at times, he maybe plan banged
it out a little too much and wasn't moving. Maybe
that's you know, those body shots that really affected them.
What did you see take place in that upset? Because

(17:09):
like I said, on paper, it wasn't really supposed to
be all that, you know, two way the whole time
type thing, and and clearly they were trying to set
this thing up for Plant and Charlow to fight later
this year. What did you see in the main event?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Well, first, let's be clear, Plant was the biggest favorite
on the card at about minus twelve hundred going in,
so you know, nobody was calling for the upset. I wasn't.
I didn't really even like the matchups on this card
much going in. And you know, the problem that you

(17:49):
did get a huge upset by the odds. But the problem,
like you know I've said before, is you know, when
you're making these cards, and yeah, you get an upset
once in a while. Well, but when you have favorites
that are as big as they were on this card,
you can't call really when it's going to happen. You know,

(18:09):
nobody really realistically can. So I'm gonna you know, I'm
making a precursor to say, obviously there's some hindsight here,
But in hindsight, I feel more confident as to what
happened to Plant that I see a lot of other
people or you know, I necessarily agree with the theory.

(18:32):
I think what it is is, you know, Plant was
you know, we're getting PBC nostalgia here where you had
guys who were fighting on undercards when it first started out,
you know in twenty fifteen, like Caleb Plant, Gervonte Davis,
and then guys who were headliners but really built their
names bigger, like Jamal Charloe who was fighting. And you know,

(18:57):
this is arguably where PBC had some success with their
mission because ten years later, these are still the guys
we're talking about. So why I'm mentioning that is Lant
had the exposure. Uh and I saw it all all
along the way, And what I always felt about him was,

(19:18):
you know, real, real good. Defensively kind of underrated with
his power on the left hook, but that wasn't really
his style. He was. He was a pure boxer in
terms of style. But here's what I'm getting to, which
ties into what we saw Saturday night. He was always
a pure speed and reflex guy. And you know that's

(19:41):
kind of like not saying he's on that level of ability,
but I think this is like comparable to like when
Roy Jones started slipping and getting knocked out.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
That's what he relied on.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Right when you get when you get a guy who
doesn't have classic fundamentals and you know, with Mike Tyson,
it was different, and Tyson still was effective against a
lot to people, even after doing the print prison stint.
But as I've said before, I always learned a lot
from Emmanuel Stewart, and he had said, you know, after
Tyson got stopped by Douglas, look, even though this guy's

(20:13):
only in his twenties, you know, he's kind of like
an explosive force reflexes speed. He may very well not
be the same already. And you know, I think that
was the case. So there's certain fighters like that. I
think Plant definitely fits into that mold. And let's say,
let's say if we can go you know, really after

(20:35):
the Canelo fight, and even though he got stopped, I'm
not focusing so much on him taking a beating, but
you know he had he had the big ko over Durrell.
But you know, like you said about the banging and
out Christ, you know, then he's fighting. You know, he
stopped the guy like McCombe, and he's kind of banging
out with about mccumby. Wasn't that good?

Speaker 1 (20:56):
So hurt more than once in the fight, right.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
He was not elusive. You know. Benavitez is a very
good fighter, but he was not elusive against Benavidez. You know,
he almost got stopped. He was taking a lot of
shots and really we probably got fooled by that McCombe
or you know, people were putting too much into that
McCombe fight. I mean, what really is mccumbe at a record?
He never beat anybody.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Like that. Mccombe's better, right, I.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Think people put too much into that. And if you
really look at really Plant, yeah, because and you know,
we know Benavidez is real good, but but Plant was
really I mean he barely hung on to go the
distance that fight, right, And I can see people were
making the argument, well, he took a beating in Benavidez

(21:46):
and that sapped a lot out of him. Yeah, that
that is, there's going to be truth to that. But
I just think it's that it's an early thirties guy
who was all speed and reflexes, even though he had
a good amateur career, not classic fundamentals like a Roy Jones,
you know, who had a great amateur career. You know,
olympian got robbed of getting a gold medal in the Olympics.

(22:06):
But still I am on the side of you know,
Jones didn't have classic technique. You know, you get a
guy by like Floyd Mayweather, who you know, other more
classic boxing skills than he had the longevity because he
just wasn't, you know, purely the speed and reflex is

(22:29):
a little more you know, classic boxing skill technique not
you know, of course he's different than the rest. But
but but that's that's a difference. But these are like
a plan at Jones. You can find others that the
pure speed, speeding reflex guy. You know, you get into
the early thirties, I mean, unless you're like at heavyweight,

(22:49):
you know, then then somebody's gonna better carry it a
little longer. But even look, you know, different era. But
even look how much Ali slowed up. You know, he
changed to relying on his chin, the rope, a dope,
hugh stamina. You know, he was not the speed, right,
He wasn't the speedy, elusive guy, you know, you know,
before he went into exile, I mean, he was. He

(23:11):
was a speed reflex guy, you know, fighting with the
hands down and so but Ali had those other attributes
that he could rely on. And there's only one Ali,
so you know, and Caleb Plant is not Ali. So uh,
you know, as good as as great as Roy Jones was,
he wasn't either. So I think that's really what happened

(23:32):
to Plant because you know, Zendez, he's really not that good.
He's not old, so he you know, he's still in
his twenties, so you know, he got maybe still some
room to to grow. And of course this was the
biggest win of his career. But that wasn't really to me.
In that fight, he wasn't doing anything special. It's just Plant.

(23:52):
He's not the speed and reflex guy anymore. Like like
you look at Plant even though it was lesser opposition
earlier in his career. I mean, he was one of
those guys, you know, he was just standing there with
the hands down and guys couldn't hit him. Those guys
could not hit him, and he was making him look silly,
and he worked his way up like that. You know,

(24:13):
that's that's gone. You know, sure the opposition's tougher, we
know that, but he's still frustrated. Canelos some you know during.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
That yeah yeah, yeah, well against him until you know
it turned on.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Him and even people who didn't like him kind of
agreed on that. Like I feel comfortable saying that was
the consensus. You know, he did have a good performance
there and he was elusive, but now that he's in
the early thirties, it's just not there. And they they're
saying they have a rematch clause or plan is so
I mean, I'm sure he's telling the truth about that.

(24:46):
This is the thing where things get stalled out because
you got an upset. But then like, really, I'm gonna say, like,
it's not that it's a horrible fight, but do we
really want to see it again?

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Right?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, you know, there's a lot of other stuff we'd
rather so that that's the problem, one of the many
problems with boxing right now. But this one, I think
really with a little bit of hindsight, I feel confident
that this is has to do with plant style and
being in the early thirties. He's not a classic fundamental guy,

(25:17):
and you know, he was never a brawler of course
either or a power guy. So there's just not much,
not many tools for him in a toolbox right now.
You did see that against Benavidez looking back to and
and it's just that the mccumby mccomby just wasn't enough
of an indicator. People looked at baby at his record

(25:38):
and saying, oh, you know plant, good performance, he's back
that kind of thing. But that that really I don't
think was the case. So I think for him, you know,
I don't think there's going to be any revival or
anything like that. He's not going to get his speed
and reflexes back now, so you know, he might he
might not even do that well in a rematch if

(25:59):
they if they, if he wants it, and they go
forward with it. So probably in essence, the end of
the line is a factor for him.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, because that's second half of the fight. You know.
There really wasn't many rounds you could give him, you know,
so like you said, he may not even be able
to change that around, and if he does, it would
be a lot of movement and I don't know, Yeah,
I don't know, and put it on an undercard or something,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, this is a guy that you know, I mean,
Elijah Garcia way at him, you know, even though Garcia
is a puncher, you know, and Garcia has stumbled since.
So yeah, it's it's just not you know, as we know,
looking at the odds. You know, some people are talking
up some Okay, you know there was an upset, but

(26:48):
I still I don't think that there was a lot
of evidence going in to be you know, feeling that
confident and brescendez. But yeah, big upset. I think this
is this is the end of the line for Plant
as a factor. And it matters in the PBC context too, because,
as I was saying, these guys that were built up

(27:11):
over the ten years, some of the guys that did
become stars relative to the boxing climate we're talking about today,
now they're getting near the end. You know. Now they're
getting near the end. Time goes by, and especially if
you're speeding reflex guy like a Plant. And really Jervonte
Davis is too, so he had his first stumble and
the roach draw. That's a different topic.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
But it's right, he's got the power, right, Yeah, he
can still pull the power on that, doesn't You're right,
that makes a huge difference because that's the last thing
to go.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
But we have to we have to watch that carefully
because you know, it could be the tip of the
iceberg where he's reaching that too. And it's just it's
been ten years for these guys on the scene, and
you know, some of them are are starting to fade.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, that's that's what happens in boxing. You and I
have been watching long enough to where you know, people
get depressed about it, but it's like, this is the sport,
man Like, that's just how it goes. You know, maybe
you're depressed because you lost a bet or something, but
other than that, like or even you know, your favorite
fighter or whatever. I get it. But I'm more sad

(28:17):
when I see someone or or down or kind of like, man,
I hope nothing happens when I see someone carrying on
like a Manny Pacyao, right, you know. Now Barrios, you
know at the weight class, he doesn't necessarily have a
lot of power. At one forty he was putting people
on the deck a whole bunch, but he has necessarily

(28:39):
shown that. But yeah, I'm more I'm more or seeing
you know, hoping Tyson nothing happens to him, you know,
even during camp and stuff like that when he's working out.
That that's more of the stuff that that freaks me out.
So Rascende is obviously, whether it's a rematch or not,

(29:01):
he rejuvenated his career, which is not even that old really, you.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Know, and that's the one. Good for him. He's not
that old, right.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
So maybe he'll get a rematch maybe, And even if
he gets a rematch and loses, I think that he's
now extended his career to be like, Okay, this guy
is trying to be a contender. You got to beat
Riscinda's to do it, you know, kind of that gate
gatekeeping mode, you know, at at the at the minimum.
Maybe maybe you know, maybe he will get you know,

(29:30):
get some more wins. We'll see. But I did like
what I compared because against Garcia in the early rounds
he actually did okay, but most people do good against
Garcia as far as hitting them and stuff like that.
But like you said, then it was pretty one sided
and he stopped him and that didn't really hold up. Now,

(29:51):
you know, now that you're you're a little removed from it,
you're like, yeah, that's that's not necessarily great. But my
guess is that that they will have a rematch. But
you know, we'll see where that goes. But that one,
you know, it's nothing crazy crazy, I guess, but you know,

(30:13):
it just seems like there's always one judge that you're like, really,
so you had this seven to five, huh, four plan.
You know, it's kind of like now it's not one
eighteen one, you know, some kind of crazy. But it's
still like there's no way you'd watch the fight and
thing plant in the fight, Like seven and five is
like the bare minimum lowest you can go. Otherwise it's

(30:36):
eight four and above. I had an eight to four.
But yeah, that that that judge. That was a bad scorecard.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
It seems like most people did have it eight to
four and yeah, and let's remember because a lot of
people were going crazy about that, there's no logic in
corruption for one judge. Okay, yeah, in the vite for
one with one judge, So just me a little bit
when people don't use logic like that would make no

(31:08):
sense to take that risk.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
You'd have to pay off two.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
You have to pay enough too, Okay, if you want
to talk about paying off two with your conspiracy stuff,
I mean, at least there's some logic to that. You've
got to have evidence. But but like, there's no logic
to one. So when people.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
So people are gonna have to put that money in
a bank at some point, right right, so that there's
a follow up there potentially too. You know.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, people were like threatening the guy and stuff and
what and it's just kind of like, you know, if
you want to make the argument that in your view,
that's incompetence as a judge, you probably can make that argument,
because there could be bad judges, like there is everything
else in life. But I tend to think on a

(31:55):
lot of these things, it's it's just it's boxing subjective,
the way we score, worried, and like I always go
on my theory a lot of times. If you if
you if you're not alternating your close rounds, even if subconscious,
and you you give a run to one guy because
you're like, well just because it's close, doesn't mean I

(32:17):
have to give one round to this guy and one
round the next guy. You're you're gonna get some quarters
some scores like that. But but like you, you know,
you point out first, I mean no, but nobody thought
Plant won the fight. And this was one that a
lot of people just seem to have like an eight
to four for you know, Sindez, and so it was,

(32:38):
you know, universally a bad card. And it was strange though,
as people were pointing out and and you pointed out,
I mean, nobody really felt Plant was doing well late
in the fight or anything like that, and Sutherland was
giving Plant late a late run.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
So I mean, yeah, I believe there's like I believe
in in in that. What I think it is, John
is is partly what you said as far as how
you score them, you know, but also like kind of
like house judges, so they know so they are gonna skew.

(33:21):
It's not like that was a ten to two card
to where it's crazy obvious where you're like, what the hell,
like the the Canelo triple g right, like okay, dude,
this is how could you do that? It's it's impossible,
you know, there wasn't even enough tight rounds to do that,
you know. But I also think that they're just house

(33:41):
judges that they know that's the go to person for
styles and stuff like that, right, Either some judges just
no matter what comes that the if the if the
person makes the fight quote unquote makes the fight or
throws more punches, they're getting it no matter what the
hell's happening in the ring, and vice versa. Some people

(34:03):
like the more stylistic and jab and move and duck it,
but you know, but you still have to win the fight,
you know. So I think that's that's part of it,
and then then I could go with the theory of
the house wants to win, like in Vegas, right the
how of course Vegas is gonna want to start a
win obviously, you know, so I think that there's ways

(34:26):
to do it that way closer than just outright corruption.
And you know, it's always the money in the bag.
It's like, okay, so they just keep the money under
their bed, or like what do they do with the
you know, that's where it gets a little like Lucy Goosey.
But either way, obviously, not a whole lot to take

(34:47):
out of Charlo's performance as far as who he was facing,
right of course, But like I said, it is just
good for him to get back, get a camp because
he's been training for a while. Then he got a camp,
and I did like his jab. I've always liked his jab.
When he's really using it, it's stiff, it's assertive, and

(35:08):
it sets up a bunch of stuff, as we know,
So it's kind of a catch twenty two. You really
can't look too much into the performance, you know, but
it's just nice to have him back and we'll see
if it's too is he too long in the teeth
to really make some noise or is one sixty eight
kind of open still in a sense, And that jab

(35:31):
is gonna be tough to get around. He's got a
good chin. You know, clearly he hasn't been the same
guy power since he moved up from fifty four. But
what do you think overall? You know what I mean,
because they're probably not gonna make the Plant fight. I
guess if Plant wanted to retire, maybe they'd make the rescidence,
but I highly doubt.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
It, you know, Yeah, I mean I've always liked Jamal
Charlo a lot as a fighter. I mean, you can
look back, I've always been high on him. So for me,
I was always high on him, but you know, his
his activity had become so sporadic. Uh and and you
know who he was facing that I I was thinking

(36:11):
a little bit like, you know, he was a huge
favor too, but not as big as a favorite as
and this is the key, Figures did not have him
as big a favor as planned. And I was looking
at that too because I just thought with the everything
and he's thirty five, I thought, you know, maybe if
something weird to were to happen, it would be in
this fight. But I hate hate saying for hate saying

(36:34):
it for a fellow Jersey guy. But I do have
to agree with what I saw the consensus. I mean,
Lamana just ended up being so bad in the fight,
Like it kind of makes it a little tricky to valuate.
But like I'm with you, Chris, Like I followed Jamal
Charlo closely. He's always been a guy I really really
liked a lot, really believe in his ability. Still kind

(36:56):
of do. Yeah, I liked what he did. His jab
and his power looked good, but I do see the point,
like and with Wamana, they're trying to take it away
from him. But what's what's just a tiny bit of
a head scratcher? Is I agree? You know, I've seen
the fights where he stepped up. You know, he's, like

(37:18):
I said, he's a Jersey guy, showed you get curious
and had poor performances, but they were kind of taken
away from him and unfairly like he he did perform
well against Mendoza and that fight was extremely close. You know,
some people were saying, like, well Mendoza maybe, but no,

(37:39):
I mean, you know, Mendoza had some good and you
know he's got some pop and Lomana, you know, there
was a case to be made for him in that fight.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
I did see that from that was a PBC fight
televised and like so you know, I was kepting that
in the back of my mind and thought like, well
know if he if he fights like that, and you know,
Charlo just got all kinds of rust. But you know,
Lamana was just bad in there, like like he was
just he was making movements and things that were leading

(38:13):
to nothing, Like he wasn't throwing any punches and making
all these movements, and you know, I could see the
criticisms like where his performance was so poor that it
left you thinking a little bit like well, what can
we take from this out of what Charlo's done? But
Charlo's power looked good, yeah, legitimately, And I have faith

(38:35):
in his power too. I think that he you know,
he's a good He is a good puncher. I mean,
you know, his brother had that run. His brother was
originally the non puncher, you know, Jamel. I always liked
Jermal better as a puncher. I mean, everybody did, I
think at one point, but I still did. I just
still think that, you know, they're twin brothers, but you

(38:56):
can't help sometimes to look at both of them and compare.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
I always thought that either, Yeah, I just I think
people get lost in that. It's not I always you know,
it means that you're going to gain respect.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Right, I always, you know, felt Jamal was the better
puncher and still a good puncher, and like you said,
you know both Charlo is that the chins are underrated.
These guys with their level of opposition, yeah, have shown
good chins. I think what people need to look at too,
is like when we're talking about these guys, even like

(39:28):
you know Ricendez and you know that Charlo being back
of course different levels of fighters, but like we're talking
about one hundred and sixty eight pounds. I think with
the too many weight classes, I say it all the time,
but you know I'm involved in weekly ranking fighters for Transnational,
so I get to see it. I'm a big advocate,
as you know, Chris, that there's just too many weight
classes and it's it's one of the underrated problems with boxing.

(39:51):
And I think this does apply to this. But in
favor of Germal, Charlo like one thing I'm not going
to do, and people weren't talking about it. But if
I was like doing rankings Loan, I know, it's Jamal
Charlo just coming back against Thomas Laman and everybody's laughing like, oh,
you know, the WBC's got him number two or whatever.
But but I'm going to I'm going to play a

(40:12):
little Devil's advocate there. Like I said, I don't get
to do the ratings on my own with Transnational, so
I didn't propose it, but you know, I was even thinking,
like you look at the guys at one hundred and
sixty eight that are even the quote unquote legit top ten,
and it's not exactly.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Look inside the WBA top ten two, right, Yeah, well
they don't rank the other but they don't rank the
other beltholders, right, And I'm like, that's where I think
you do have to have a little flexibility with ratings,
even with who he came back against.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Like to me, a fighter of Jamal Charlo's ability, you know,
just because it's at one sixty eight, Like I look
at some of these guys, like I said, were the
quote legit top ten. I'm like, come on, Jamal Charlo
is a better fighter than these guys. So I mean,
like an example would be okay. We know Resendez just
beat Planted, but we know also this is what people

(41:04):
need to think about more with ratings, Like we know
also that if Jamal charlo is going to fight Sindez,
he's going to be a huge thing at him. Yes,
your fighters, you've got to take that into account. I mean,
if yeah, sure, it's a projection, but all ratings are
a projection, the whole projection, the whole things a projection.

(41:26):
Like some people try to look at it like it's
a playoff. It's not a playoff.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
It's a projection.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I mean, the playoff is just for the championship. You
beat the champion, you become the champion. But in terms
of the ratings, it's not a playoff. So I'm saying
that to say, you know, I think with all these
weight classes, a guy with Jamal Charlo's talent, you know,
if he's even at thirty five, if he's going to

(41:52):
be active, you got to look at him as a factor,
including eight pounds. And that's the way I look at it.
So he's going to be back and he's going to
be active. I think he's a factor.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, And it sounds like, you know what was going
on with him outside you know, he's pretty outside the rights.
He's speaking pretty openly about it and how he had
to make some changes and and so that's that could
be a positive thing. You know, then you can really
focus in one hundred percent on boxing while he's still

(42:24):
past you know, a career, you know, because that's how
the thing is, it could be taken away from you.
So I agree. I mean, you know, I'm looking at
some rankings in general, and you're like, I mean, how
many guys do you really put above them? You know?
Right right, that's what I just going to beat him up.

(42:45):
Berlanga is going to beat him up, you know. I mean,
that's you know, but.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
That's that's another excellent example. Like I mean, if if
Jamal Charlie's fighting Edgar Berlang get tomorrow, and I'm not
even as down on Berlang as some people, I'm picking Charlo.
I don't mind saying that right now. If they were
going to fight in six months, I'm picking Charlo. Now
Charlo lays off for two years or something might be different.

(43:15):
But if they fight months, I'm picking Jamal Charlo. So uh,
don't have any problem saying that. Yeah, that's where the weights.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
You know, he's got a lot of twelve round fights
center his belt, you know, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
And you know you've got a guy like you know,
school running for his life against Canelo. I mean, like
you know, these were just top ten guys, top ten
one and sixty eight pound guys. I mean, you know,
I said Rezendez is up there now because he beats
Plant and what would just happen to Plant? Plant didn't
even fall understandably with the division. He's not even all
the way out of the top ten. But I do

(43:53):
think personally practically he's done. Yeah. Yeah, So again, you
know if for Jamal Arla really even at thirty five,
it's just a matter of staying active. I mean, if
that's what it is, I'll even do one division higher
at his age. You know, if he if he does
the one sixty eight and he's gonna really keep active.

(44:14):
I mean even if he were to go to one
hundred and seventy five pounds, I think he could do it.
I think he's got enough pop in the chin. So
and you know they're six feet tall to Charlo, so yeah,
it got enough height. So that is if he's going
to be active. He hasn't been beat up or anything.
All right, he could he could be a factor for
a while.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
That's a good point. He is fresh that way, He
hasn't taken a bunch of damage, but he does have
a lot of experience in the rings. So whereas you
look at him and it's a fun it's a it's
a fun division because it is kind of wide open
in a sense, and no one really stands way out
just yet, right because no some have been tested, but

(44:57):
not many. And so yeah, I'm just happy to see
him back. We'll see where he goes. So as far
as the undercard goes, Hernandez and Davis. Now, on paper,
this was a step up fight for for for Hernandez,
Kirn Davis. You know, solid operator, you know, nothing to blow.

(45:21):
He's been in the ring with some solid dudes and
and so at I like the step up. I was like, okay,
let's see what he and he looked pretty damn you know,
pretty clean in this one in a variety of ways too,
you know, on the back foot, coming forward, patient, but
letting his hands go, even talking in there a little bit.

(45:41):
What do you think of what do you think of Hernandez?
Because he looked pretty to the meat.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Great performance, did everything except get the stoppage. You know,
Davis is a difficult guy to fight, and that's probably
why we all end up being impressed with, including myself
and her. You know, Hernandez only seven fights, but you
still the way he was fighting so well in there,
and he was hurting him frequently. Would have liked to

(46:10):
see the stoppage. But with that understood, he did everything else.
And what I did like to see, speaking at rankings
and transnational, which you know is really puts out the
closest we have to a legit top ten. I liked
this from from the board. Everybody wanted him in and

(46:32):
you know, put him in a good spot because knowing
the respect of Davis being difficult to fight and was
hanging around the top pen, suddenly he won too, you know, right,
totally clean, dominant, right dominant performance. So it seems like
there was we don't always have this with boxing fans, commentators,

(46:53):
and writers, et cetera, but seemed the consensus that everybody
was impressed with Hernandez liked it, and there's been nobody
at middleweight. It's one of the most historic divisions, arguably
the most historic division after heavyweight, so it has been
tragic in boxing terms in recent years. That middleweight has

(47:14):
been so barren of talent, so and a clear, you know,
lineal champ. You really want that at middleweight more than
other divisions because of the history. So you know, when
you see a guy like Hernandez, if you're a boxing historian,
not saying at seven fights he's proven greatness or anything,
but the point being we need somebody there, We need

(47:36):
somebody to step up. You know, Adamas has continued to
fight well, so he's proven that, you know, being at
the top of that division. He's for real and you know,
you know Amicaululi, you know he's good. You know, he's
had some real good performances, some not as good as others.

(47:57):
I mean, you know that if they get We've said
that before too, if they got these guys together, yes,
you know you might start to call the less and
and get a real champ. But it hasn't happened yet,
and the division so weak overall. Surely Hernandez is right
about to get himself in that mix. I mean, at

(48:17):
most one more big win and he's there. So if
he's not there already, even even after so few fights,
so boxing really needs that in the middleweight division, and
that was you know, that was good good for boxing
because the middleweight division needs it so badly.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, it's almost like just for like a year, you'd wish,
uh Turkey would just focus on that and and make
make all the fights, you know, and just you know,
because he got off to a good start, you know,
so hopefully we'll see uh see that because yeah, you're
right about that. That was well put where it's like, yeah,
we know it's not deep, but we could get you know,

(49:00):
a little round robin action. We can get some pretty
good fights and and maybe organically you get a rematch,
you know, who knows, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
So you make a good point there, Chris, because starting
to you know, see Turkey missing opportunities for what the
mission was supposed to be. And that's an excellent point
because I think it does fit in with with the
tools he's equipped with and what he's supposed to be doing.
Supposed like, in other words, he's got the ring. Okay,

(49:28):
you know, a historical publication which has always had its
own rankings, and champ middleweight pretty much arguably but not
too much argument, the second historic division in boxing. So
Turkey's got the ring. You know, that would be.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
A relatively speaking, exactly, I.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Can even see and Eddie heard saying that, like, relatively speaking,
these guys are companies.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
You could make seven cards with these guys.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
You know, yeah, I mean why not why not take
you know, why not take you know, a Damas, I'm
a Couley now you know Hernandez and somebody else and say, hey,
this is gonna be for the ring. These guys are
going to fight it off. It's gonna be for the
ring at the end of it, and we're gonna get
the history back on. We're gonna have a real middleweight champion. Look,

(50:23):
that was There's even a good historical example for that
within the last twenty years. You know, when you had
Bernard Hopkins in the middle Way Ternament Trinidad and Trinidad
had the explosive performance pulllweight Joppy Hopkins beat Homes in
the first round and then Hopkins got the upset right

(50:44):
over that in the final even though Hopkins had all
those alphabet defenses, that's really what solidified him as the guy,
and then he went to run in multiple divisions after
that kind of became a legend. But that's like a
perfect example. I mean that being put together by HBO
at that time, being a real lineal middleweight champ. Out

(51:06):
of that organically happen, you know, right, organically happen, and
you still talk about it today, Madison Square Garden, you
had great history. So that's the type of thing I'm
looking at here. Like you you point out, I made
an excellent points. This is where Turkey could use the money.

(51:27):
These guys would becoming relatively cheaply.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
And you could add in a fifty four pounder too,
you know, like if all of a sudden the money
comes out there, like hey, can I be involved? You know,
let me jump up there.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Well, that's another perfect example because again a lot of
these weight classes are unnecessary, and that that's where you
used to see more creativity. Again, an example being Trinidad
was in the middleweight tournament. Yes, exactly, you got a
perfect example. You take maybe the three were talking about, right,
pick who you like the most that one fifty four
and U like the winner of Fondora and Zoo or

(52:03):
something like that.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Right, yeah, you could just better, you know, it just
be better, because right now it's almost like all these
guys it's either that happens or they all have to
be under one banner, and then it's in house because
otherwise and they're not in house. So the closest thing
we have to a workable thing without in house is
has been a Saudi of late. Unless they're big matchups,

(52:25):
you know, then you know that that person's gonna make
a good B side. Okay, we can make that fight,
or it's the right time to make the fight. Is
the most money out of there, something like that, But
other than that, clearly the profit you know, as you said,
it doesn't seem to be a big factor. So yeah,
that would that would spice things up because it is

(52:47):
starting to like it's top heavy, but there's interest. Hernandez man,
he looked good to me, he looked really really good.
But I agree that they're like even looking let me see,
like in the I thought the fifth, In the the fifth, sixth,
and seventh, you did see him start to land some

(53:08):
heavy shots and I did think, Okay, here we go.
But you're right, you know, down the stretch there wasn't
there wasn't as much going for the knockout and John,
would you say sometimes just going for it? What does
the end result always have to be there? Or just
let's see you put your foot on the gas and

(53:29):
see what happens. How do you feel about that, because
that is something that you say, I would have liked
to get this, you know, to get the stoppage. If
you're just saying, if it's there, take it, whether you
get it or not. Maybe the guy gets up two
times and he doesn't get stopped, but he was going
for it.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
I think what frustrates me that I what I see
and this is what I did see with her Nana
is like, you know, my one criticism again not getting
the stoppage. But here would be why. And this is
to me where the commentators are out in left field
and they frustrate me because that's what I call infomercial commentary.
And it's all all the networks. They're all doing it.
It's permeated all the promotions, all the networks. But they

(54:09):
were doing it in that fight. In other words, pretending
like Kirn Davis can come up with this strategy where
in his own corner too bread man. I mean, come on,
the guy can't punch. Okay, he's difficult to fight, but
the guy cannot punch at all. So this idea like, well,
he's going to come forward, and he's going to have to,

(54:31):
you know, be trying to get Hernandez out of there.
That's that's fantasy. And then why this to meet ties
in with Hernandez? Is he's in with them? I mean
he knows at that point the guy can't hurt him.
I mean by reputation and buy what's happened for eight rounds?
So what do you what are you throwing a couple

(54:51):
of punches and then back and off for I mean,
this guy can't hurt you. He's not a He's hanging
on by a thread. And that's would be in the
performance and other small criticism because I'm like everybody else
liked the performance overall, but these are real criticisms because
they do come in against better opposition, you know. Then

(55:13):
there were a couple of moments when he actually backed
off and I was thinking, like, why are you back
at all? Yeah, Davis, I mean, this guy can't punch,
He can't hurt you. You shouldn't be taking one backward
step right because you're going to wear him out too
when you're not letting him step forward at all. Because
he's got to keep backing off.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
He's got to keep that might be the time where
you land that perfect counter in the exchange, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Right, And and what I did like about Hernandez, I
mean the guy punches in combination with power too, so
he wasn't just throwing one shot. He was throwing hard
shots in combination. But yeah, you know, no reason to
not keep pushing Davis back, get the stop it. He's
not going to hurt you. He's not a puncher at all.
He's just a difficult kind of fight, but he can't punch,

(56:01):
so right, kind of a good performance but a bit
of a missed opportunity there.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, that is a good point because I did notice
in pushing them back and bringing pressure, you know, somewhere
in the middle around And you're right, he did either
what you said there or what else he said was
you know, landing some really good shots and then not
following up on it, and those type of habits, because

(56:30):
you can't just say, well, if you faced someone with
a more of a threat, he would have done that.
It's like, well, no, if you got to create those
habits too, because it may not it may not be
a knockout, but you clearly won that round in a
tight fight, you know, So like if you create that habit,
you're gonna win that round. It's not necessarily always it

(56:51):
has to be this highlight real knockout, but the fact
is you put your punches together, you followed up on it,
and hey, if someone's showing a crazy chin, then they did.
But at least you, you know, like you said, put
the put the foot on the gas and then you know.
I thought I did think that the Lucero Villains Whale fight,

(57:14):
I thought that would be a more two way fight.
I was not. I mean, it was while it while
it lasted, but but I didn't think Lucero would be
able to uh you know that flush right hook landed perfectly.
I did kind of think that it was an early stoppage.
It ended right at the end of the second, but
I did actually think that would be more of a
two way fight for longer. I have to admit, going in.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I felt like myself, this is why I do recommend
looking at these kind of things, because, like I always say,
they don't get everyone right, but they get it right
more than you do. And what got me not thinking
that way going in was when I was getting ready
for the card and scouting at the matchups for the
week looked at the odds on that fight, and Lucero
was a massive favorite, and I thought this Valin's wail

(58:00):
guys twenty three and oh with twenty Ko's and Lucero's
a massive favorite. I mean and the odds makers, No,
That's what I was saying there, Like I wasn't second
guessing the odds makers. I'm like, they got I get right.
So I'm like they looked at this guy's opposition and
this guy must have fought nobody. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
And I just did think the guy didn't look very

(58:22):
good once to the bell rang and I didn't mention it. Afterwards,
Ron Catch, you know, the legendary matchmaker. He did laugh.
He knew what I was talking about. I said, man,
I know one thing after this fight, I don't want
to see the twenty guys balance Weila Ko. Yeah, I
mean that's not had to be some bad, bad opposition, right, yeah,

(58:46):
We're no bad opposition. Because he was a huge dog
and got blown out. I personally didn't have any problem
with the stoppage. I just thought, really, as I was
watching the fight, then I'm like that, you know, if
you took the record away this Follin's, well, a guy's
not very good.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah, And I didn't think it would be a fifty
to fifty fight at the end of the fight, but
I thought within the und I had seen some of
his fights, so I thought within the rounds it would
be more. It would be a better step up for him,
you know, like even the even before he got knocked
out there, you know that the first round was entertaining though,
like they were out you know, but like you said,

(59:27):
in that first round, it was a two way round.
Early in the second was two round. But when you
saw the punches, they wait a second, this he's landing.
He's landing. But it sure isn't the effect you know,
exactly you know.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Yeah, exactly right. There was there was action, but yeah,
Allen's well was punching just the way you described it.
You're like, man, I don't want to see the guy
the twenty guys. This guy knocked out.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
And that's really what changed my mind. Then it was like, man,
he hit him with some good sh and it didn't
look like it affected him whatsoever. But that that is
a good point. It is definitely a good point. So
that that Friday Night card with Folgham and Beck it's

(01:00:15):
Mella Kazov. I always mess up his last name. I
just go with Beck back to bully. But what do
you think of that fight? Because that was a competitive fight.
It was basically what seven to five? All three? I
believe both of them got point deductions for different reasons.
How'd you see that one go down?

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
There was a pretty good fight. It's just, you know,
from that sport perspective, it's too bad you get these
fights on his own. You really do feel in the
US virtually nobody's seeing them, just talking from US sensibilities,
and you know, fam guy, American guy from Houston. He
has looked pretty good to me, including you know, solid

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performance on Friday Night. Decent fighter, I mean, you know,
decent fighter. So uh that's you know, kind of a positive.
But he didn't but he didn't get the win. You know,
he didn't get the the signature wind type of thing.
You know, Beck is you know, he got upset by Rosatto.
Everybody was real high on him before that, and you

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know he got a knock down late. But but not
getting a stoppage in this fight, I mean, he's he's
not you know, it's pretty obvious he's not going to
be at the level let's say pre Rosatto that people
were looking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
As much of a bully as they were saying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Right, and this is like we're talking like one hundred
and sixty eight pounds, you know, I mean like you
know that these are not like particularly threatening characters. You know,
when you're talking about Jamal Charlo.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Being let's say perfect example, I would put Charlo over
him right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
No, not that it's automatic, as Charlo's had a lot
of layoffs, but but he's got the ability and he's
proven it. So uh yeah, like you said, it's it's
open in terms of you know, hm, this is maybe
like like we're saying, I mean you talk about Turkey
alask because right, he can he can make the fights

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without it having to be in house. He can go
to different promotions, throw around the cash. But but we're
talking these are ideas of like some of these fights
could come cheaper, and you know, the guys might be
kind of for lack of a better term, hungrier because
they want to make more of a name. They're not
as high a profile, and they would come more cheaply,

(01:02:38):
So he might might need to think about having some
like kind of well, I would say unofficial, but he's
got the money, he can do it official. I mean
maybe just you know, you don't want to drag it
out too long. I would say, you know some maybe
some some four man tournaments, you know, uh, the divisions
with the top guys, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Even if you don't call it that, you know, you
can just be like, hey, it's a co feature. You
have these these four fighters, that's the main event. That
it's the co headliners, I mean liners, you know, and
just do it that way. Whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yeah, when HBI was going good, they used to do
a lot of that. Yeah, you know it's not official,
but you take the four but then you really have
them fight, not just the hype like we've got the
last frankly like the last twenty years. But when it
used to be like they did that, then they really
fought that. They really did fight, and he had the
date reserved and you know it was ready to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Go right right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Right exactly. We need to we need to get back
to a little of that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah, yeah, because if people get the more people get
excited about it's like, well let's push this off a
little bit and we can make some more money on this.
So yeah, it was a good fight. Yeah, Beck, I
don't know he was. He's good. You know, there's times
in a fight in his fights where you're like, wow,
that was pretty good, you know, and you'll land a

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big shot if it land a big shot. Like he
definitely has some skills, no doubt about it, but like
his his jab and I liked him, but I did
think he was just being overhyped. I think he kind
of falls in the category of, you know, like hyping
up a guy who's beating people that he should beat

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early in his career and shouldn't look really all that
bad and then did. And then yeah, you can't put
a death sentence on the guy's career just because he lost,
you know, especially the way he lost. You know, that
could happen. But but yeah, I'm still not really seeing it.
Like you said, there's like levels and he's up there
and he's a good fighter, but yeah, I don't I

(01:04:45):
don't really see him, you know, separating himself as much
as you know, we kind of thought he would or
whatever people thought he would. Any other items that you
want to discuss before we get into uh this upcoming
week ind there, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Yeah, just two things I'm thinking odds that are that
are interesting to me, and they do mean things. I
did put it out there as soon as I saw it.
I saw some people pick up afterward. But I was shocked, frankly,
you know, and it is official. I mean, Canelo only
minus one ninety five over Crawford. Now I gotta say it.

(01:05:28):
You know, I was questioning, you know, would you know
maybe it's not going to be that exciting A fight
doesn't mean that it will be and is this just
an event? Almost getting down on it. But look again,
the odds makers they got they they're the collective wisdom.
They got to get it more right than any right.
They got to set it where it's going to be

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both sides, which is the collective wisdom. So you know,
they only got Canal out of minus one ninety five.
Now this part I have to throw out in fairness
to Turkey alichk if he ever gets to fight. I
mean there's already now incredible reports of all kinds of problems.
But if he ever pulls it off, we have to
now give qualifier. I mean minus one ninety five for Canelo.

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That's not an event. That's not an event like that's
a fight.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Oh yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
You know, we've got to look at that now. I
mean performances the way they've gone. I mean, the odds
makers are telling you now it's it's a fight, it's
not just an event. So I think everybody's got to
pay attention to that. Some people I sense don't like it,
they don't want to pay attention to it, but you
have to and and even I have to recalibrate a
little bit, like this is not just an event. This

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this is being viewed as a fight, so if it
comes off, maybe have to look at it just a
little bit differently. And then again the collective wisdom. So
it doesn't mean what's going to happen, but it's what
I saw, even though I was high on them before
that fight. Berlanga is a favorite over Shirat, so like

(01:07:01):
a minus one twenty five, very close. But still that
tells me the odds makers are not buying into charez
bad hand against the Dames, or that that should have
been close. It was a terrible decision to draw. Again,
he's going to have this opportunity and the Saudis want
to give it to him, I think to reverse it.

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Langa is a fawd guy. But he's a he's an
underdog to Berlanga, So the odds makers are not buying
into this. His hand was her any of that stuff.
I mean, Charez, he's got to he's got to deliver
something against or he's going to be that kind of

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a viewed as kind of a fraud as.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
On Twitter. Watching Twitter will destroy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Him if exactly you can see it coming, right, I mean,
you know, maybe he'll deliver, But when I saw that, man,
he's an underdog to Berlanga. Yeah, nobody's buying those excuses
for that performance against the damas. Everybody knows what they saw.
And you know, Shiraz after being a rising star for

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a few fights and now all of a sudden, it's
all on the line for him. He's he's got to
produce in that fight.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Yeah, he's got to throw some damn punches. Yeah. That
and what you said about Crawford. So are you now
kind of looking at have you looked at the knockout
odds for Canelo because that was kind of on your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
It was, But then then then I didn't look again
because I thought, man, he's only it might as one
ninety five favorite, So.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
They're probably going to be as good as they can be.
Now if it's that close for a knockout, you know,
rather than it being you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Know right, you know, yeah, it might be close. I
mean maybe they think a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Hundred for Crawford. Well, if it's that then that means
the knockout odds are going to be better, you know,
right money right? Yeah, I mean you were think how
it works, you know, offered.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Moving up far enough. I mean I'm not saying I'm
making a prediction yet, but yeah, you would think that
Canelo knockout wouldn't be a bad play. Yeah, I mean
it was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
A fight eventually was better than it would you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Yeah, and it was, and it's kind of almost changed
and motivationally for Canelo because yeah, we're all originally looking
at this fight being signed, and even Canelo himself talking like, well,
I'll get no credit if I beat that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Hang on, disrespectful, you know right, I mean you'll be
a disc So yeah, you know, you can't be saying, oh,
nobody expects me to or you know, everybody expects.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Me to win and nobody's assuming it. So minus one
ninety five where we are right now. So Canelo might
have some motivation that he did not have before that,
And what I want.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
To say, like Jamal Charlo was like a plus four
fifty plus five hundred plus five fifty somewhere in that realm.
I don't think it was higher than that, right, something
like that. Yeah, Yeah, I mean, you know, Crawford's a
damn good fighter. There's that. You can't deny that. And

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he you know, he he'll fight at the pace that
canal's probably gonna set, which isn't really set in much
of a pace. Yeah, you know, so you start to go, huh, man,
if he were you know, I don't know, it's it
seems like it's yeah, maybe they are judging recent fights too.
But then you could say the same thing about Crawford.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
And his like, you know, thirty eight. It's really shocking
because Crawford's thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah, and didn't look all that great at fifty four
in this first fight, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
For the odds to be that tight, and they were today.
I looked at him again today they've stayed to say,
but the minus one ninety five canal that that was
your salker though.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Yeah, this is that's kind of interesting. Yeah, like you said,
I mean, I just don't know how that it's not
set yet, which is just like, what are we doing here,
Like what he's going to be done? The damn fighting
until you got it set, Like this is silly, you know,
this is boxing one on one. In fact, we're we
it looks like we're going through that with the low

(01:11:23):
pezant Haini that they announced the date and it's all, actually, no,
it's not like what wait what you just said? It
was signing, Like, what's going on? He didn't sign the contract.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Yet, so they announced they announced the date. Today the
ring is announcing the date, and then the rings and
you know, the rings got to know, yeah, exactly. They're
saying it's off. It's not odd.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
So they're saying he literally turned it down but then
agreed to all these terms. It's like, so he got
to the last second they sent them it and then
he's like, nah, we're good. Like it's just I don't know.
I hate public negotiations, man, Like, if you if you
want to say, hey, you're negotiating, cool, we feel like
we're making good progress, you know, be real political with it,

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you know, do not turn it into some circus because
most of the time that shit doesn't happen. You know
and so, and it gets people pissed up, and then
it like furthers you may be making a lot of
good fights, but it furthers the narrative of oh the best,
don't fighting the best. Oh look at this, you know,
and it's just kind of like another fight down the draying,

(01:12:28):
you know. And it's just so, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Part of it's because there's not enough matchups left that
appeal to US sensibilities. That's that's where we're really in
danger in the US is you know these recent fights
Turkey's talking about. He's trying to put the US sensibilities
guys against each other, and there's difficulties, it's not coming off.

(01:12:52):
And you know, you had that bad time square card,
So yeah, like like we're running out of fights with
US sensibilities that are even gonna sell. It's it's it's
bad in that sense. It's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Well, and you know, out of tail female's own mouth,
he said he would get eleven mil for the fight,
right out of his own mouth. So it's like, so
what's the problem then, Like what's going on? Like, tell
have a presser right now and tell us why it's
not done or is it bullshit, come out and say
it's bullshit, then it's gonna get signed or something. Just

(01:13:28):
that's why I don't like get public negotiations because I'm
asking him now to come out and say something. But
it should be all behind closed doors in the beginning,
you know what I mean. Now it's just like saving face.
So whatever that way Hani fought in his last fight.
I mean, it's it's difficult for me to the picture.

(01:13:48):
You know, we don't know if this is gonna come off.
I mean as of now, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
But it's hard where Hani was at, you know, in
this last performance against ra Mirror is it's hard to
picture him throwing many punches at a guy like tia
Fimo Lopez who's capable of herd. I mean, even fighting
whatever weight they're going to fight at, whether it be welterweight,
you know, or whatever. But I think I still think

(01:14:13):
tia Fimo's probably got enough offense he can hurt you,
and that that would seem to have HAINI real cautious
the way you know he looked last time out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Yeah, and that said Tail is not the same guy
coming forward either, you know now, So it's stylist like
on paper as far as just hey, that's a solid fight,
let's see it. I think that's for sure. But you know,
if you look at the style matchup, maybe it's best
that's gonna be in Sadi if.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
It happened exactly. No, it's not the it's not the
best style matchup in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Yeah, it's just a really legitimate fight where you're like, okay,
this is the let's do it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
But yeah, and try and trying to put the few
guys in the US who really have.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Yes we're speaking names, and yes, that's exactly what it is.
And you put that in New York, it probably do good,
you know, do really good, as long as you didn't
do it in the street, you know, if you put
it in an arena, because they do have arenas in
New York too, you know. But other than that, yeah,

(01:15:21):
we'll see how that works. Well, since we'reund the news topic,
it appears that Fulton and Foster it's it's being reported
pretty solidly that it got finalized.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Yeah, yeah, two good fighters. Don't personally not crazy about
the style matchup. I mean, Fulton's not going to hurt
anybody at one hundred and thirty pounds. He doesn't hurt
anybody anyway. It's coming off a really good performance. But
Foster is not a puncher generally. I mean, there'll be

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some punch is thrown, but.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Well, yeah it's not They're not gonna only throw three
hundred punches in a fight. But yeah, I hear what
you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Yeah, but there's not gonna be any heavy artillery. Not
gonna be any heavy artillery in the fight, right, but
two good fighters. Yeah, it looks like does look like
that's gonna happen as of today.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Yeah, I think it's very intriguing just because of how,
you know, just solid, solid fighters. Yeah, exactly, Like you know,
it's quality fighters. So it's good, it's pretty. It's gonna
be hard for me to uh not be happy at
a fight like that being made. Doesn't mean it's gonna

(01:16:39):
be the fight of the year, no, but I think
the more solid fights, solid fighters fighting each other, it's
really hard for me to complain about it. Now. We
may talk about the style matchup, but overall, I really
like that fight overall. So this weekend we have we
have a heavyweight fight, which I have you know, I've

(01:17:03):
heard some folks looking at the underdog number and jumping
on it. But you know, obviously Wardley is the favorite.
But you look at uh Hooney is like plus two
sixty plus three hundred. Actually, I hadn't seen that. I

(01:17:24):
hadn't seen a three hundred just yet. Now there's a
three hundred plus two fifty. Like I think Fabio Wardley's
gonna win the fight, but there might be an upset.
I just don't know if I trust the chin of

(01:17:45):
the you know, the the it's not really a late
replacement actually, because it's been there for a while. I
don't know if he was on the card or not.
But what do you think of this matchup? In just
in general? I see some folks really looking at this
might be an upset. I don't know. Wardley kind of

(01:18:07):
does bring it sometimes other side like you'll shock you
and be like, oh wow, that was quick, and then
other times you're like, eh, I don't know. He's kind
of up and down. What do you thought. You think
there's a chance or an upset, or you think that
the odds are maybe a little too close Wardly, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
He's kind of but not really in all that bad
of a way and surprising with the no amateur pedigree whatsoever.
No amateur you know, like he can fight in some
different styles, which makes it where you never know exactly
what you're getting with him. I mean, you've seen him
box some we've seen him just straight out blow people away,

(01:18:42):
like in the Clark rematch.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Yeah, which I didn't see that coming at all.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
No, But but there's other fights he's brawled. But then
you see him box and some. I've liked the guy,
as you know. I mean, he kind of won me
over early on. I'm like, you know, this guy, every
time I see him, I kind of like them, and
for me, with his career, it's just continued that way.
So he's already a guy like you know, on one hand,

(01:19:08):
you always feel like you are taking a risk relying
on him because he's got no amateur experience to fall
back on, which you know helps you in the pros
when you have a guy who really had a lot
of amateur fights, you know, has those fundamentals to fall
back on. I mean, wardly doesn't have that, But I
just like what he's done. And the argument in a

(01:19:30):
favor of a guy like him, if he keeps getting
by winning and looking good, is his upside might be higher.
Because he doesn't have any amateur right. In other words,
he can get better, he could develop. Sometimes pro scouts
and other sports look at it that way. You have
somebody who maybe wasn't playing all the time since they

(01:19:52):
were five. It's a different evaluation. But they've got the
higher upside if they start to show some flashes, because
they can develop even it's later on. So I think
Wardley's like that in boxing because he's looked good to me.
He's really like a legit top ten guy now. So
I'm gonna stay with him because I've liked him. I
don't know exactly all, you know, if it goes all

(01:20:16):
the way to the top. But then on the other hand,
I mean, Usik's thirty eight years old. I mean, even him,
you know, nobody, nobody can last forever. And you know
he's probably not that we've seen it necessarily, but he's
probably getting near the end. Yeah, you know, he's undefeated.
You know, his volume for him is dropping a little bit.
I've noticed. All I'm saying that is that there's gonna

(01:20:39):
be an opening. You know, there's gonna be an open there.
It's about to be wide open, right, And I'm not
picking on him but like I'll stay it because I
feel confident in it. And you know, usiks getting old,
But I mean, like, I'm not on this Joe Parker bandwagon.
Like Joe Parker became Muhammad Ali because he beat a
few older guys and Bacoli on one day's a fat

(01:21:02):
Bacoli on one day's notice. Right, You know, Parker is
always solid. I've always said that about him. He's always
going to be legit top ten. But you know we're
talking about now the very top. Even now, I'm still like,
I don't I don't think he's necessarily that. So why
it ties in the wardley for me is he's already
legit top ten and that that very top the real

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championships probably get near going to be open because Usik's age.
You know, it doesn't mean he doesn't get by Dubuan
to rematch, but it might be tough for him in
the rematch, and even if he gets by, you know,
is he going to want to keep going? That was
another thing that came out today. This one I did
say within the last year, and it was in today's

(01:21:50):
Boxing news. In the Boxing News. Now Usik is saying,
give me Jake Paul okay, today, So I did. I
did suggest that one within the last year. Like I said,
you know, yeah, maybe it takes about in two rounds,
but people want to see Paul get knocked out, especially
a lot of boxing fans. You can sell me. You

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can sell it because it is for the title. It's
for the heavyweight championship of the world. So I can't
say I blame him with the money and the ease
it would be for him. But Usik as of today,
he's apparently on board with that because he's saying, give
me Jake Paul and today they were talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
It, so right, I wonder what Jake Paul thinks that. Yeah,
I don't know that, yeah yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
You know, maybe it's a big step up from Chavez
Jujior to Usik, but yeah, maybe maybe he's gonna wait
and see how that goes for him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean it would be a damn
good cash out, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
It's a good cash out though, And I think in
a weird way, you can sell it and people want
to see it. Even Jake Paul is going to go
out in thirty seconds because there's a lot of people
want to see that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Now, Yeah, exactly, yep. And people that believe in him,
you know, you know, whatever he says, they're gonna believe. Like,
you know, he said he was gonna fight Canal and
his way up and he you know, it's just it's
just funny, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
But there's always somebody that's gonna believe for some reasons.
Of course, yeah, there's always there's always somebody that's gonna
believe for some reason. That's why you could sell it to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Right and the hoony dude. You know, I remember the
Tabidi fight, I remember the Loraina fight, but before that
and after that, you know, it's like he it just
doesn't seem like he's kept going up opponent wise, and
I think that does hurt him. I just I kind

(01:23:48):
of wanted to breeze by you because I have noticed
that I just don't know if he holds up. I
really don't, so I'm not picking him either, But I
just noticed people saying, hey, this is it's gonna be
an upset. So I'm just just kind of eye in
it a little bit. But yeah, I think Fabio Wordley
is is gonna win. And you know, I wouldn't be

(01:24:10):
shocked by a knockout but yeah, some some UK fans.
I got a couple of messages in the last couple
of days saying, hey, watch out for this, But I
don't know, I don't really believe in Hooney. Maybe if
that competition level would have kept going up right, you know,
and he would have shown the same thing, you're like,
oh wow, it's you know, But I just the odds

(01:24:32):
are closer than I thought it would be, though I'll
say that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
I didn't it didn't catch my eye too, because I like, overall,
I'd liked the way Wardley's been fighting, and I thought
saying like, whoa, you know, minus three forty is not
a huge favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Yeah, I mean underdog in the two hundreds. It's like,
that's not a huge underdog, you know, for for boxing,
that's for sure. So Delonte Johnson is stepping up against
Bokach Abdullah, Mason is going against Nakathila. I think I

(01:25:05):
am picking a minor upset with all Bright over Davis.
I could see that being a that's a competitive fight.
And then you have Keishan Davis uh going fighting back
in Norfolk, Virginia taking on Edwin de los Santo's which
I know when this was announced to talk about. You

(01:25:26):
weren't too crazy about this fight. You know, it is
a measuring stick, I will say that, but it is
a difficult measuring stick because De la Santos has the
capabilities to be you know, to to stall the fight
and to not be able to you know, you can
kind of look bad even though you may win it cleanly.

(01:25:49):
Here like at the end, you're like, eh, it really
wasn't a good performance. Now was that all your fault? No, however,
why didn't you do something? And that type of thing.
And don't get me wrong, there are times where fighters
just can't cut off the ring. I'll give you that,
but there's plenty of times where people say that and
it's like, yeah, but it's hard to cut off the

(01:26:10):
ring on some guys if they're really just you know,
going stalemate in a sense. But what are your thoughts
just in general of this card or you know, abdual
Mason actually is in a decent step up, Not that
I think you'll lose or anything, but I like, I

(01:26:31):
think Davis is obviously going to win. But I do
kind of like Delante Johnson. I like their opponents. I
like the undercard opponents because I think they do represent
a step up regardless of the outcome. I guess you
could say.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Yeah, this, I mean it's kind of like been as
we're nearing the end of it now unfortunately, reminds you
of kind of the some of the pluses and minuses
of what top ranks and with the deal nearing the end,
obviously now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Is it one more?

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
I think there's one more, maybe one more afternoon with
so you've got the good part. I think, yeah, that's right,
mel and Neck. He's got a fight coming up and
they're gonna have what the zion.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the fifty four Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're right, that's the last one, zays yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
And then so you got the plus is like I
think Keishawn Davis and Abdullah Mason are the type of
guys that top ranks should want to get exposure and
you know, get American fans looking at and into I mean,
I think between those two guys in Carrington, I mean
here at the end, those are three guys that are

(01:27:46):
good to build up. So that part of my favor.
But I did feel like I called this going in
because the odds makers don't have these like Abdollah Mason's
a massive favorite, and so is Keishan Davis. But Mason's
an even bigger favorite favorite, and you know, not even
close odds. And so this is your national telecast. Again,

(01:28:08):
A fan can't tune it in and expect a competitive fight.
I mean maybe one they get one by surprise. But
that's the problem with you know, your then marketing. It's
like it's it's not something they can expect and unless
you got punchers, like Mason is kind of near being
that kind of guy, like you know, Mike Tyson knocking

(01:28:30):
everybody out, you know, George Foreman. Matter. But but the
thing that that we don't get enough nowadays that you
did get with like a Tyson a Foreman, because I'd
like to see this and I feel like Mason has
that kind of capability out of those three guys, especially him,
Like in other words, as fans are fans tuning in,

(01:28:54):
like when he does that, like blows away a credible opponent,
even you know, above an Akathila level at this point,
Like that's then when people do whoa whoa, you know,
like this guy was credible, you know, he was a legit,
you know, near you know, top ten guy or near
the top like legit, you know, not like alphabet stuff
like and and Mason just blew him away, Like that's

(01:29:15):
when people get excited about you. They want to see
you more like to me, yeah, you can get a
highlight reel and social media now and stuff that helps you.
But these aren't quite on that level for both of
these guys, like where it would really get fans excited,
like if they had that kind of performance. So that

(01:29:36):
that's that's the down that's the downside is not really
competitive action. I mean, I think these are the right
guys to be featuring and you know, you could say closer,
we know who these opponents are, but where they're at
right now, it's it's not at that level where it's
really an eye opener for the fan that really really

(01:29:57):
gets excited. You can get some excitement, but not that
real level where this has been the problem with the
top ranked deal Like and as we're getting near the end,
this does fit it like Okays fight Acathila and Dissentos
is going to fight he Sean Davis, but then it
leads to nothing. It leads to like them inflating some

(01:30:19):
alphabet fight against another guy that's not competitive, like if
the deal was continuing, that's what you kept getting. And
that really was a big problem with what top rank did.
It just never it just never led to and and
this is kind of like it's ending that way to me, Like,
you know, it's not like they're doing this and then

(01:30:39):
Mason and and Davis are going to fight next or
something like we're not. You know, just that just never
happened with this deal, and that in him.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
And Secure, you know, swore it pretty early that they
were going to fight each other. So that was the bat.
Even though you know, Score is not with them anymore,
he was with them for obviously quite a long time. Yeah,
that's a good point because I think that, like I
was saying, we know the guys, but you know, that's

(01:31:12):
just watched the sport more closely. But to your point,
it's it's you know, and that's why I kind of look,
I guess I've been not necessarily numb to it, but
they're the matchmaking in recent you know, whatever years, not
just five or anything like that, for quite a while.

(01:31:35):
There's time I think I've lowered my standards some time
in a sense because it's like, okay, well this does
see this is a step up. But to your point,
it's not, uh, this makes you a full on contender,
step up. You know where you're gonna be ready for
a big fight now, you know because you did it right.

(01:31:55):
So to your point, that is well set because most
of those fights are you know, odds wise, pretty wide
and you know, so style it See. I think De
los Santo's is a is a is a is a
legit opponent. But I do think it's gonna be an issue.

(01:32:17):
And people say, oh, you can't slip up against against
him because he has power.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
He does have some power, some power.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Yeah, at least do you think he's just gonna play spoiler?
Is that? Is that what's gonna happen? And then Keishan
is gonna look bad doing it because he can't you know,
because it's a stalemate or you know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
I think when it comes I think what these types
of fights come down to is this. I I don't
think del Santos will probably have that spirited of an effort,
but where to me it can develop into the stinking
and out kind of thing is more like if then
Keishawn Davis, who does have some pop but and boxing skill,

(01:32:58):
starts saying like, well you know, Delos Santos has some pop.
He's not doing much, but you know, I don't want
to take any risks here he can hurt you, and
then it doesn't really go to put any hurt on
him and just just cautious over the twelve rounds that
that's that's what we get too much of.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
And then like you said, it doesn't lead to anything,
so okay, and then right like when you just look
at him at the way class you rank them and
stuff like that. But to your point, it's not going
to lead to anything per se, right, I mean, you
know that's the thing. I mean, there was I said
never before it didn't lead to anything enough. Like I mean,

(01:33:40):
there are high points were like Ta Femo fighting Josh Taylor,
Ta Femo fighting Lomachenko, but you know that that was
those were really fights, you know, but yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
There was just wasn't enough. Too too much of what
they did did led to nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Yeah, and in like you know, the like you said,
the infomercial type broadcasting, right, you start to get uh,
the pump up these guys and then it's just it's
like a bridge to nowhere, like that old political term,
you know, bridge nowhere and it's like, well, or they
get exposed and you're like, god, you just got done

(01:34:20):
telling me that this guy for two years is you know,
some boogieman and then he fights a real fighter and
he's really not that much of a boogeyman at all.
So then then people are even further down on that guy.
I don't know, it's kind of weird now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Problems with these kind of matchups, like because you know,
like they're all doing it, but like you know, I always,
like myself, I had always kind of liked show test
to tour, but now he's doing it just like all
of them, like because it's like typical what you'll get
Saturday night. Then so Abdullah Mason, who I do love too,
very entertaining guy, but still Nakathila, you know, got blown

(01:34:57):
away by Attia, so that was kind of like, you know,
let the air out of his balloon of being dangerous.
But then we'll get like, now Mason's a minus twenty
four hundred favor or whatever, and he'll take out Nacathila
and three and Joe Testator will be screaming like a madman.

(01:35:19):
That's the that's actually like a problem now, you know, like, yeah,
it's your product. But but come on, you know, don't
treat us like idiots. I mean, the guy's a minus
twenty four hundred favorite. You know he's supposed to be
doing that the way you've set up this matchup, so
like you know, you gotta, you gotta, you should be
commentating and honestly, like like that's that's where you're missing.

(01:35:42):
Like if it was somebody else in a boxing world
we don't have right now who was more of a threat.
And maybe Mason was, you know, a solid favorite but
not a big favorite. Then he did that in test too,
was screaming. We'd be screaming with him. But that's not
what That's not what we get, you know, that's just
not what we get.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Yeah, and I agree with Tessatura now compared to when
he was on Friday Night Fights, you know, and the
way Friday Night Fights was set up down the stretch
of it anyway, was there was not one promoter that
had all these deals, you know what I mean. It
was sometimes it'd be some you know, kind of a

(01:36:21):
random fight, but it was a championship fight. And it's like, okay,
well these guys aren't good enough to be on HBO
or showtime. But this is a good fight, like okay,
you know, but it was a lot more non biased.
It was more straight up because they didn't have a
platform that only has that promoter on it too, you know.
I think that obviously plays into it. And it seems

(01:36:42):
like just in every walk of this type of stuff, entertainment, politics,
now it's like what you say, and people are saying
stuff that sometimes I don't even believe they believe it,
but it's gonna say something, So it's gonna grab some traction,
you know, and you'll be when they show highlights of

(01:37:03):
the guy, You're gonna be the guy screaming. You're the
narrator of the guy screaming. So hey, that's me, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Yeah, And I've seen younger fans. This is a difference,
like in fairness to a little bit to these guys.
I don't like it, but I do see a generational
thing here. You're and it's like what you've described ris like,
you know, there's I'm trying to think of what age
I would start it at, but like there's an age
of fan of all sport. Like if you're not screaming

(01:37:31):
and then it's highlight clip, they're like what the hell's
the matter with this guy? There was just a knockout
and he just didn't scream. He just was just talking.
Like our football, there is a touchdown and the guy's
just talking like you gotta scream like an idiot. There's
a certain generation of fan who's like, what's wrong with
this guy?

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
And I noticed that once they started showing highlights of
a guy. That makes a guy like, let's say in basketball,
all right, he breaks his ankle, but they don't show
the shot because the shot didn't go in. John, so
that doesn't count. In our day, that wouldn't have come.
That was a fancy move, but you didn't get the bucket,

(01:38:12):
so ultimately you need to get the free throw line.
So you just missed the shot. It was cool, but
you didn't finish the play. Well, nowadays they'll put the
just that clip doesn't matter what the hell happened on
the actual play. It's just that guy twisted his ankle.
Ha ha ha. You know I see that way too
often where you're just like, I mean, he didn't finish

(01:38:33):
the damn play. Who cares, you know? But yeah, that's funny.
But I, like I said, I do think speaking of
closely matched fights, and once this fight got made the
Albright he's only a plus one ninety four plus. Actually

(01:38:54):
Betwey has him plus one sixty three to Calvin Davis.
I'm actually picking the upset with Allbright. I like what
I've seen on him. But yeah, does it just kind
of feel like they got some young fighters on it.
They got some guys that are entering their prime, like
Keishaan Davis, and it's just kind of like maybe a

(01:39:14):
step up from a showcase the fight like Delante Johnson
and and you know, in Bokachka, I think that this
fight would have happened a little while ago when Bokachka
still had a well dude on show box or this
on that you know, it does.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Was he was in some decent fights.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
He was, but it's it's like the timings off on
it to actually think it's gonna be a great win
once again, the lowering of the standard of well that
is technically John a step up fight for him, but
how you know, is it a full step, is it
a half a step? You know that that's where that
kind of that kind of plays into it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
I think a step up like has to be where
where we feel like there's a legitimate threat that the
guy they're stepping up against could beat him, you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Know, yeah, real hard on him and make it real
hard on them.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Yeah, they're not enough right there. There are steps up,
but not big enough. But you make a good point
in the favor at least because we don't get that
much anymore. That at least on an undercard you have
some closer odds fights, which frankly, we rarely get nowadays.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's pretty crazy speaking the top Rank.
You know, the they say there's up to forty events.
What does that mean taking place here? Does that mean
using some of the UK feed? You know, we don't
know exactly. But they also say multiple platforms. You know,

(01:40:49):
there is rumors speaking of HBO and they're going to
go back to the name instead of Max. It's like,
that's just funny to me.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
It's like they are going back to the name. But
I'm I've been skeptical Top Rank because I've been following
it close to some insiders were like, Oh, they'll be fine,
this is all going to work out, But I feel
we're too far down the line, Like they keep saying
it's going to be multiple platforms, we've got stuff set up.
I've they have not specifically announced anything right zero And

(01:41:20):
and you know the state boxing's in in the US,
especially right now, I've become skeptical that I'm like, I'm
not buying all the way in, Like I got a.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Feeling Investments is not right there like it was, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Right, I got a feeling they don't have My feeling
would be that like right now, they don't have anything set.
I mean now it might get set.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
But beyond the zone or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
But I'm gonna say, right for now, yeah, I'm not
I'm not convinced they've got something set right now.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
I could see them being able to go to the zone,
you know, right, but yeah, you know, so that's is
that there is that kind of like laying in the
cut and they're trying to get other deals, you know,
are they trying you know, yeah, I've been I've been
a little in between on it too. Like you're just
like you talk about you're gonna go maybe back to
HBO Max and okay, that'd be great, you know sweet,

(01:42:16):
you know, and T n T is wrapped up in
that and.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
You could see a T n T HBO Max Combo.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Yeah, they're they're losing the NBA, right, they have some
money hanging around.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
You could see. You can't see that, right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
I mean that they did dabble.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
They did dabble with them before they got the ESPN
the last Days on HBO.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
That's right, because they did. They did. They did a
couple of those events. I remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
I think a couple of cars were Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
Yeah, I think they're on like Thursdays or something like that.
They were one of them is doing to Yeah, you're
right about that. That that looks good. Yeah, I just
wonder because you know, we we asked questions here, we
talked it through. We're realistic. We tried to throw a
bunch of stuff on the wall and see what sticks.

(01:43:05):
People didn't have a problem when we were saying that
stuff about the PBC and what's next for them or
where their current deal is and all that. But you know,
every time I bring up top rank, I'll get a
message oh this that, and you know it's like, dude,
we're just hey man, we you know, we talked about
the end of the deal a long time ago, and
we don't want it to happen. But the writing appeared

(01:43:29):
to be on the wall, and obviously it is now.
So I just think that they'd be able to if
they were so comfortable they'd already they'd be able to
stay on the deal. Maybe. But ESPN has cut back
a lot. I will say that because they're invested heavy
in college football.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Now they're dropping baseball. They're dropping baseball, yep. I'll keep
that in mind, like, yeah, okay, they're getting out of boxing,
but they're dropping baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
Yes, yep. And that's still And we saw a good
example of this speak in baseball when we came out
of COVID. Well they had to, they had Fox had
to make sure baseball was okay before boxing. You know,
they they had a much larger investment, but you know,
way more responsibility. We got to show all these Saturday

(01:44:15):
night and then all of a sudden that went to
the side. You know. So yeah, I mean, you hope
for the best man HBO, Max tn T that would
be phenomenal, but it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Would probably be good with the history and TNT's kind
of got an opening and they've been putting a lot
into sports.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
In recent years.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
Yeah, they they got the French open now, you know,
they they bought some of those. They bought what two
games or four games maybe in the first run of
the college football playoffs. They bought them from ESPN because
they know they're going to lose the NBA. So yeah,
we'll see where that goes. You know, I really hope

(01:44:55):
that it lands someplace because they they But then again,
you know, I hope, Oh, but what will they do
with that deal?

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
You know, that's when it always comes down to. He
sees the boxing exactly like getting a deal. Of course
you got to have it, but then you got to
do something with it too, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
And you just think, like, do they really have enough
fighters that forty dates are going to be really great?

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Now, maybe they would go back to the old school
double header or triple header, you know, and then off
stream that stuff, and so it wouldn't be a long
super long card and it would just be a good
double headers. I mean, you never know, you know, I
wouldn't be against that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Now. I think there's probably an opening to get back
to that. I've been thinking about that a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
And you know, I think people got like us hardcores
got so many people got happy that they're able to
see all the fights and there's something to be said
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
There is, you know, things change. You can't totally say
there's not a place.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
For right, but I think it's hidden on the fucking
app is where I think those places need to be,
because you and I will check it out. But when
you're on something and it's five to six hours, no
one's gonna give a shit about those fights.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Man, that's actually going to do more damage than good.
You know, it's starting to do more. It's starting to
do more damage. It has, it really has because people
even with this main card thing, which frankly took from
the UFC, and I don't even like that stuff. Forget
even main card. Just separate out what what they're calling
the prelims now, right, that doesn't even have to be

(01:46:35):
the same night or anything, and you know, just just
have your double triple header max, you know, of quality
matchups really want to see. Yeah, and then tell everybody
exactly when it's gonna start. Yeah, you know, you know,
even when the main event is going to start, stop,

(01:46:58):
you know, trying to you know, people with it into
watching more than they want to because yeah, these I
thought about that too, like like we said, and I agree,
like you can't really make an argument, Oh, you shouldn't
televise it at all, you know, working the old days,
like like really what the equivalent of what you had

(01:47:18):
in the old days? But I'm looking back on this,
there's some value to it, was like, and they weren't
doing it into like a crooked bias way. They were
doing it in kind of a quality control way. Like
for example, like let's say at NBC Sports World showing
fights like before the two guys that they're that were
going to fight on Sports World, you know, like got

(01:47:43):
on there on that matchup. Like the boxing control person
for the network was like was watching all the stuff
we watched now like you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
Whatever, they have eyes on it, right hey look right then.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
They decide this guy is ready to be on Sports
World against me? Yeah right, like not with a just
a guy that's a terrible matchup and the guy's attack
out like a like a real matchup. Like in other words,
they're both fourteen to know, yeah, now that we're putting
together on sports like not that everybody had to watch
them against these no hopers for fourteen fights like I

(01:48:21):
could these six hour cards. But like we're saying, like
what you could do nowadays, like you said, like on
an app or something like have have like we let
a hardcore know when those are on if you want
to really really watch them, but they're on their own separately.
They're not holding up any other cards or anything like that. Like,
but that was like the old job of like the

(01:48:43):
boxing guy at the network.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
M that's just like and even before all these apps
popped up and streaming popped up as far as on
a platform, bigger platform with a lot of money behind
it and networks money sometimes behind it, like Top Rank
on their website did stream the other card? You know,

(01:49:06):
they would they would stream him. Golden Boy did the
same thing. Like so I remember Showtime having that uh
what did.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
They call it?

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
Man, I forgot what they called it, but it was
that type of thing where it was it was before
but no, you know, not a lot of people pay
attention to it. But there was like two three fights
and you're like, okay, these guys are like a it
was like special edition where it's above show box, but
there was something to the actual fight at least one
of the fights or whatever. But but it wasn't it

(01:49:37):
wasn't waiting five hours to get to the card and right,
and it's like, you know, I don't I get why
hardcores like it, but I think you have to look
outside of that. Obviously, you can't just be so selfish
to be like oh.

Speaker 5 (01:49:56):
I and and I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
I get why people look, we get to see every thing,
but you know, that kind of messes up our prospect
to contender stuff too, because before we wouldn't see this
guy falter in this against that right exactly, you know, right,
and it kind of throws us off, you know, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Yeah, It's like.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
I'm in the just wait until they go against a
really quality fighter that I know is a quality fighter.
I'm not gonna have too much of an opinion, you know,
I'm gonna do to that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
I know, I'm almost going back to it doesn't mean
everything old was better, but I've been thinking exactly that though,
Like I can't make the argument for not televising them
at all, but I think maybely what we want to
get back to a little more as fans is right,
like you know, they're really the networks, you know, should
be doing that quality control and then we could just

(01:50:48):
like trust that if it was ideally executed where like again,
one guy's fourteen and oh now and the other guy's
twenty and one or something, and then they're determining, Okay,
now this is in with our two main fights that night,
because this is going to be a good one, and
that may be the first you're seeing them, but they're
fighting a real fighter. It's not a no hope. And

(01:51:08):
then you evaluate there as a fan rather than sit
there through these six hour cards and like you said,
a lot of times the guy stumbles anyway and ends
up not being that good, and you know, you put
You've put time into that, so it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
Yeah, exactly, they put time.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
We put time, put time, right, Yeah, better to have
like a screener. And then when you're at a certain
level of quality, you start showing I mean, you know,
you hate saying it, but in a certain way, I
mean that is the way the UFC is working, in
the sense of like you.

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
Make the UFC, like so yeah, yeah, you know, build
it up.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
And then so like you've already had to kind of
like make the ufcafore you're shown like they're not you know,
like that they're determining who's going to make the UFC.
In other words, and then you've see the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
So because remember HBoL coach from showtime, you know, oh
you're okay, you're ready to be an HBO fight. That's
what it was. Obviously they and then HBO got to
the point where like, oh that was a great fight,
we'll take the rematch, you know, like, and that always
didn't work for him. But and don't get me wrong,
there were plenty of fighters that were good enough and

(01:52:20):
high level enough to be on HBO. You know, that's
not what we're saying. They're definitely they definitely missed great fights,
you know, by only having a certain amount. But this
was the this was the most popular top of the
line stuff. So I did like like like when everyone

(01:52:42):
got deals, then then it was like how many cars
do we have? You know, And that's when it got
really watered down. And so the mid level fight for
a while while was like, Wow, these mid level fights
are getting attention. This is great, and these are good
competitive fights that are casual. But like, but it just
it's just so much of it now, And there's times

(01:53:03):
where I'll be sitting on the side and be like, oh,
that's right, that's this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
Holy shit, you know, And he just reminded me. Like
Steven Espinosa, who's obviously was at the top of it.
He even said like five years ago, and he's right,
it's just basically what you're saying. Chris, Like he was
right about this. He felt like the casual fan in
part what was gone because the casual fan had no
idea what to watch at this point. And and you know,

(01:53:29):
that's like what you're saying, Like, you know, a casual
seeing all these cards and all this prelim and and
all these six cards, and the casuals like, who am
I supposed to be watching here?

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
Who's supposed to be good?

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
And all they got to do is see a few
boring fights or no hopers and casual you know.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
And they're like, hey, it's a tight game fourth corner.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Yeah, that's getting the casual fan.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's a we're in a we're
in a weird spot right now. It's kind of like
this year's been like either really good or like, oh boy,
this is we got you know, like after this weekend,
it does drop off until July, you know, and even
the Jake Paul Chavez Junior, like say what you want

(01:54:20):
about that fight? They are filling in some undercard fights
that I'm like, at least there's something there. I'll give
him credit there. But uh yeah, it's been kind of
like a hurry up and wait, you know type of
year where you're just like, oh my god, this is
great for two or three weeks, and then it's like, okay,
oh that was pretty good. Oh that undercard is pretty good.
Oh yeah, and then it oh yeah, I like this,

(01:54:41):
and then it just kind of falls back and it's
been a weird year. Hasn't been horrible by any stretch,
but it's just been strange. And after this weekend, like
I said, some of the undercard fights, you know, intrigued me.
But yeah, it's until we get to July it does
get it gets a little slow, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
Yeah, And I feel like this year we're missing and
it's part of where the sports at not enough fights
where you're just like plain old you see the matchup
and you're like, oh, that that's a good fight. You know,
I need to I need to see that. You know
that that's a hell of a fight. I mean we're
not we're not getting a lot of those. I mean,
I like Usik du Bois too. I Mean we just
saw recently. But I do like the fight, but so

(01:55:21):
like it doesn't have us sensibilities. But I mean, like,
that's that's a good fight. Not that many you're not that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
Many of the tailors Toronto on Netflix. That'll be a
good night. You know, you know it's gonna be a
good fight, and you know Netflix it's gonna do numbers.
So that's rough. But yeah, it's it's just it's been
kind of weird, and you know there's something to be said,
and I know I'm gonna get some ship for this,
but you know, stack cards are great. However, if you

(01:55:52):
take some of those and make them in the main events,
it's like, okay, but man, it sure could last longer.
I don't want shitty under cards, but do I need
five fights that I'm like, yeah, I think it's awesome
that night, but if you don't follow up on it,
then it's like, damn, maybe we should have just had
that a triple header and then you know, scheduled a

(01:56:14):
month and a month or so. I don't know, it's weird.
It's it's I think we're just in a weird time
where we're just thinking about all sorts of ship and
it's like I don't know, there's no like right answer
or what what what where is it gonna be? But yeah,
it's it's in a weird spot. And and people just
still don't get the Desonne thing where it's like even
if it has a ton of money behind it, it's

(01:56:37):
just you know, it's just not gonna I don't know.
I still can't believe they haven't made Canel Crawford as
far as we don't know where the fight is.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
Like, yeah, that's that's really gotten talking about dropping the
fucking ball, you know, Yeah, that's gotten strange.

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
And you know it's pretty well reported that there was
there was a deal for Netflix on the table. So
if he's now trying to get that back, okay, but
you shouldn't have dropped the ball on.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
It then you know, like I don't know, Now, that's
what the that's what the sport needs, especially in the US.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
Yeah, and then that would be uh, you know, it
would be July and September on Netflix. You know, that's
pretty damn good, you know, right, And that would be
growth because those are real fights too. It's not what
it started out, as you know with the Tyson Paul,
but it grew into something where you're like, all right,
these are really good fights, and if you can return

(01:57:32):
some of that audience, that's a positive thing, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
I mean where where you are in the US. You
know you got Taylor Sereno three on Netflix. If you
were to get Canalo Crawford on Netflix, that's huge for
boxing in the US where we're at now. And frankly,
in a desperate situation, but that's almost like what you need.
You need something like yeah, circus circus as it is,
or you take Paul right for the heavyweight title on

(01:57:56):
Thatflix like that. I mean, say what you will, but
we're desperate time. Desperate times called for desperate measures the
old Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
And they didn't overdo it on the undercard of that
Paul Tyson, but now the cod features the main event,
and who's to say that that couldn't happen again, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
So it's actually a perfect example because that worked.

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
That's exactly what it was. It was a circus on top,
but it was money like it was really the last
two fights were very good before the main event. So yeah,
we'll see any other uh, any last words at all.
I think that's about it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
Now. That's it, Chris. I think we think we got
it pretty well covered tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
All right, Well, thanks for stopping in, and uh it's
nice that our you know, schedules lined up. My schedule
has been weird for Tuesdays. But uh, yeah, it was
good talking to you. You have a good night.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
Good good talking to Chris. Get a good night's sleep
to night.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
Yeah right, I'm gonna be up all right, all right,
I take care, Yeah right, have a good one. Yeah,
I have a going all right.

Speaker 6 (01:59:02):
So just kind of following up a little bit like
I was saying, you know, the jab for Jamal Charlo
in that fight real quick?

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
Was was was landing really well?

Speaker 5 (01:59:16):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:59:18):
And what was it? Like a corner slash doctor recommendation,
I think is what what was announced? I think I was,
oh yeah for Hernandez, see I was. I thought John
was making some good points, but I don't know. I

(01:59:39):
did think like maybe it's his temperament, but I thought
there was I did actually think Hernandez I wouldn't say
fully stepped on the gas, but you know, I thought
he was. Maybe It's just I really like Hernandez a
lot when he showed me I really liked I did.

(02:00:02):
I scored eight to four for Plant with Senda's I
was kind of about to get into that fight and
the body work, those right hooks. He buzzed Plant or
at least bothered them, hurt, buzz, bothered whatever it was.
He did that a couple times, and I remember, I
think it was between I think it was after the

(02:00:23):
sixth round. Breadman said the Plant. He's like, hey, if
you got to go low, go low, you know. And
I'm not hating on that, to be honest with you.
Some people think that's dirty. But there were some low shots,
but there was just a lot of body shots from
the Sindis, So I thought that I really liked what
I saw to him. But I do think it may
have been kind of what we're saying with Plant, you know,

(02:00:47):
just fading. So hopefully Charlotte gets a big fight. It
would have been nice to see them, you know, fight.
But yeah, Keishan Davis, I think he'll I think it
win by decision. I think Abdul we'll pretty much handle that.
I do want to see how good Delonte Johnson is
in that matchup, but I am picking the up the

(02:01:07):
minor upset with Albright now as far as like hang
on real quick here, all right, I had to. I
had to. I had to pause that really quick, having
little issues. But we're good. I think we're good. I

(02:01:30):
think we're good. So so I I do you know,
I'm pumped for Fulton Foster. I think that's just too
solid ass fighters man going at it and Fulton, you know,
re rejuvenating his career in that last fight. So I

(02:01:51):
think that's a great It sounds like that's gonna be
a co feature to a rematch, you know, from from
Davis and Roach. So I am looking forward to that
given my takes on tail Femo though, like and and honestly, like,

(02:02:13):
I'm not even online right now on Twitter, so maybe
he's come out. Maybe I should check that just in case.
Maybe he's come out and and said something, you know,
and said, no, that's not true. I haven't I just
didn't send back the contract or something. But you know,

(02:02:33):
like the thing that the Hans posted, if that is legit,
you know, and you know, and and that's they just
declined the fight, that would be really really wild. It's

(02:03:01):
you know, there is something and this is the first
thing that kind of came to mind, is like, you know,
people back in the day used to talk about the
Winkie Wright School of Boxing Business.

Speaker 5 (02:03:16):
And someone actually texts me that it's like, you know,
I don't know, man, Like I just don't get it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
And I mentioned it to start the show about I
did think that clearly, you know, clearly that Boots, I
believe if that fight was on the table, which it
appears to be or appears that it was, you needed
to take that shut that fight. That was such a

(02:03:51):
that's such a good opponent for you, and it's big
money or whatever, you know, and and I don't know,
like the little message they put out this is this
this to gently advise you that this is to gently

(02:04:12):
advise you that tale female has withdrawn from the fight,
as we'd like to thank you for your efforts and
professoralism throughout the process. Like and like I said, out
of his own mouth, he said it was eleven million dollars.
And you know he was saying to Turkey, hey man,

(02:04:36):
my bad. You know, I'm sorry, I should you know
clearly something was up. You know, the dictator line from
last week and all that, and then he kind of
went into peace mode like, hey bro, I'm just trying
to whatever he says, you know, make boxing great again.
It just to shtick. But if it turns out that,

(02:05:03):
first of all, it was supposed to be in Sadi
was it Sadi time, like, not a pay per view
or whatever, it was going to be here, because if
you were going to go head to head with the
PBC event, that's just silly. Now if you're gonna do
it during the day, you know, even doing a pay
per view during the day, I guess that would you know, whatever,

(02:05:25):
but maybe a twenty five dollars one. You can say, hey,
ours is twenty five, there's a eighty or whatever. But
like I said, I thought Boots Ennis should have taken
the Virgil Ortiz fight. He wanted to stay at forty seven. Well,
Boots gets to stay. He's the lineal So you can say, oh, unification,
that's great, but he's the lineal so like you already

(02:05:48):
got the lineal dude, it doesn't matter if you I mean,
I shouldn't say it doesn't matter. But ultimately, like if
you collect all the belts, man, that's awesome. Undisputed is phenomenal.
But we all know Tayo Femo is a better fighter
to fight right now. And you know, and I can
understand Lopez wanting that fight if he was gonna take it,

(02:06:11):
because you know, he'd have a chance to to be
a three time lineal champ. Like that's a big deal.
So I can see why that was on the table first.
And Boots is the one who turned it down, which
I don't agree with. I thought Boots should take that fight. However,
if the backup is hany and it sounds like you know,

(02:06:34):
and this is Devin Haney's words, the fight with Tao
is not signed. I signed my part. Tayo has been
staln as of today. He decided he doesn't want to fight.
He said he's the you know, official biggest duck or whatever,
and he said, I want you know, I wanted to

(02:06:55):
fight at forty seven. He wanted at forty So there again,
so you can fight Boots, who has more power than
you know. Now you can say, well, either way, he
has more power at forty seven, okay. So so you're
willing to go fight Boots because it was lineal, but

(02:07:16):
then not fight at forty seven just because lineal is
not on the line. Kind of strange, but whatever, you're
the champ at forty okay. So he said, we negotiated
to meet at forty five. Even though you know he
was willing to fight Boots at forty seven. So I

(02:07:36):
just don't understand why why he didn't want to. I mean,
I hate using the word duck, and you know, like
I really hardly ever used a you know, maybe adverse
instead of just a freight or whatever, but like to
not out of his own mouth, eleven million dollars to

(02:07:58):
fight Devin Hainey, who you know can be hit, right
and everyone could be hit I'm not saying that, but
you know there's holes in his defense. But you also
know you can't cut off the ring or whatever as well.
I don't know, but the whole I just if you're
out there saying you want Boots, he turned it down,

(02:08:21):
then all of a sudden you have a problem with
Turkey and then you delete and then you say, oh no, man,
I'm peaceful, dude. Just you know, my bad, my bad,
you know, and then you try to get the fight
and then it's like, nah, you're not getting the fight.
You turn if you turn down eleven million, like the
deal that you would have to have lined up to

(02:08:44):
turn down eleven million, like the guarantee three to five
fight deal that you'd have to line up to to
not fight for eleven million dollars. I don't get it.
I understand that it was lineal with boots, but holy shit, dude,
if tail female, I mean, it's really hard not to

(02:09:08):
call this a not to call it a duck, you know,
very hard not to call it a duck, because what
else would it be? You know, what else would it be?
And also we heard Nick Ball and Louis Neary was planned.
This came from Lacasa Boxing Club that that it was

(02:09:31):
planned for the undercard of Haini Lopez. So hopefully that
gets put someplace. They probably still have a card on
that date. But I don't know, man, It's this is
some serious drawn like what are you doing with your career? Dude?
That's what it was kind of funny when I saw
and I see h Android uppercut public negotiations with the

(02:09:54):
big you know emoji laughing. I mean, it's just and
then also him saying, and you know, career melpractice to
have this one on the same day as Tank Roath,
even on the same day at different times during the
afternoon and night, it's still kind of weird, you know,
it's still be kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (02:10:14):
I just.

Speaker 1 (02:10:16):
I don't know, man, I really don't know. Adrian Delgado
follow him at Adrian d eight nine two six before
we found out that it isn't happening that matchup, he said,
quick turnaround for both fighters. I like this matchup between
two boxers in their prime. Interesting matchup that I believe
slightly favors Hani due to his range, distance control. But

(02:10:39):
Lopez is so explosive counterpuncher, especially at the middle age.
Can't wait. That broke it down pretty well. And it's
a fight that is you know, it's very like it's
meaningful to these guys, man, And you know, I don't know, man,
I just I just yeah, I mean, if he turns

(02:11:02):
this it was if you turn this down, dude, Like
like I said, I'm not crazy about it being in Sadi,
but if it's that night, you might as well have
it in Sadi. But yeah, I just I don't know, man,
Like I said, I'm not a big they're all ducking
boogieman and all that shit. I think business makes the fights,

(02:11:24):
but it's like I see them out of Zoe's mouth
that Turkey offered him. You know, so what the fuck
is he gonna say? Now? You know, probably some stupid shit, right.
We know he's been really good at that. I did see.
Speaking of boxing just in general, this rue is from

(02:11:44):
Luki on boxing scene. Fenway Park to host the first
boxing event since nineteen fifty six. The Nolan Brothers Boxing
take the ambitious Leap as the regional boxing based promotion
to you know, have an ambisious card at the park.

(02:12:04):
So that's kind of cool, you know, I always like
different stuff. And also, the California State Athletic Commission did
rule a no contest. They voted unanimously on you know,
on the novarette Suarez thing. Obviously you'd wish it could
just be an actual decision, but excuse me, I didn't

(02:12:29):
think that was gonna happen. So I didn't really ever,
you know, I didn't really ever think like I thought
it would just be a no contest. And you know,
it sounds like the sanctioning belt is saying, let's have
a rematch, and really, so I think that's that's important there.
I think that's a good, good rematch fight. Other news,

(02:12:53):
No Donaire is returning to Fort June fourteenth at age
forty two against Campos. That's for some interim strap, so
you know, to each his own. You know, it is
what it is. Uh, you know, should don't never keep

(02:13:14):
fighting out? You know, probably not, but it is what
it is. This is a tweet from a few days
ago from Teo Female to his excellency. I take full
responsibility for my inappropriate words on the x app. I apologie.
I apologize to he His excellency is what that is.

(02:13:35):
I will conduct myself with a greater respect, humility of professionalism.
Oh yeah, sending love and light to all. Thank you
make boxing great again. And it is funny how you
know the reasons why, you know, like Turkey got mad

(02:13:56):
at him, not not for all the racist shit he
was doing, but he was mad because you know, the
dictators shouts out to Mike McCollum rip really you know
very uh, I don't know, to me kind of undervalued overall,
but big ass puncher as me.

Speaker 2 (02:14:17):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:14:17):
Also, I kind of forgot to mention this. Julius Caesar
Martinez could not continue. I think it was what the
eighth round, Munez looked like he you know, there was
some sort of forearm or arm, some sort of wrists,
some sort of injury there. And someone pointed out that

(02:14:40):
you know it was his first fight back from a PD.
You know thing I did like that Edgar Berlanga, Caleb
plant Pack smoking on the pat. That was pretty funny.
I will say that Matt from brunch Boxing during the
fight with one thing about bread Man, he will let

(02:15:02):
us fetter his ass beat like he took the fight,
like he took the fight to go the distance. And
that's like, I mean, you're not that far off, you know.
Oh and then Jimi Mungia filled a vada tests. Did
I did that already happen or that happened the last

(02:15:24):
show I did it? Either way, you do have to
start looking at that camp in general. Canelo says, we
believe in Jimi Mungia, who will surely clear this up soon.
And I want to be very clear that Eddie Renosa
doesn't give doesn't give him settlements. Eddie is solely dedicated

(02:15:46):
to training him. So I guess Eddie's like, hey, go
have some tacos, oh gayos and koy fot too. I
forgot about at it it it you know, it flipped
this time. But yeah, I totally forgot about that fight.
I did get a message earlier a couple of days ago.

(02:16:08):
Actually I did forget to mention that fight. And there
was also a close fight with Gabrielle uh gull yas.
I think it was Medina that was. I saw a
good chunk of that fight. I didn't see every round,
but I did see a chunk of that, so that, Yeah,

(02:16:32):
that was kind of interesting. But yeah, khalil Cooy definitely,
you know, did his thing and also did I mention MJ.
I didn't. Once John came, I kind of forgot. Yeah,
MJ got a win, so you know, I think it's
what September he's gonna take on He's gonna take it

(02:16:54):
was castile, right, I think he stopped him in the
was an eighth or ninth round something like that. But
Khalilkoy definitely, you know, definitely was letting some stuff go.
I did I did forget to mention that on that

(02:17:16):
on that card, So we're on the car A card itself. Whatever.
So yeah, I think I think that's about it pretty sure.
Is there any other Let me check my messages to
see if I got anything else or question or oh

(02:17:37):
I did I did get this? It says Pakiao is
a screenshot Pakio was saying that, oh that it's not
a one off. I did see someone tweet this. I
think it was I can't remember. It could be this tweet.
I can't see who tweeted it, though, he says, I'm back.
He said it's not a one off. Pakiov said, it's

(02:17:58):
not a one off. I'm back, like, oh, okay, And
you know, I mean, I don't know. I just can't
get out of my mind how he looked against Ugas
and even seeing clips of that that damn exhibition. He
just I don't know, man, I really don't know. Ry

(02:18:21):
says about so Remy said tweeted tail one and Boots
at forty seven, but at forty seven, fifty four, but
won't fight Haine at forty seven. Can't make this shit up.
And Rye quote tweeted him saying, reminds me of Triple
G when he said fifty four to sixty eight except
for Andre Board and that's like, yeah, that lines up.

(02:18:44):
He did say that he wanted to cry, And I
get why. I get why Crawford would be first on
the list, you know, coming off that that. You know,
like he's a big name, right, he's a big big
name and you could sell with him. But yeah, if
you're willing to go up to fifty four, but you
don't even want to fight any at forty seven, and

(02:19:06):
you're you're willing to fight a puncher at I don't know,
I just this is for some reason. I'm not even
gonna say strange reason. He just hasn't wont to fight Hani.
Like I get some other times where you know, like

(02:19:26):
he fought you know, beat Loma, beat tailor have some
other good wins in there. No doubt the Camboss thing
was weird or whatever, but it's like, yeah, I'll just
keep repeating myself. I just can't believe if in fact,
from here on out, not here on out, but just
in general, if he's not fighting him in August, it's

(02:19:51):
hard not to call it a duck. Dude. You know,
you're up there saying my bad sorry, singing like that
meme in court. Dude's saying sorry, I'm sorry. He's singing
like and then you're gonna turn around and and just not.
It's just it's really bad, dude, Like this is that

(02:20:12):
this would go down as a full on duck. Know
if ands or butts about it anyway, I'm gonna get
out of here enjoy the fights. I feel like it's
pretty good for next Tuesday. You never know, life gets
in the way, but we'll see you next week either way.

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