Earl Grey Anderson, Secret Underground Facility, UAP

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I must say. And today we have a great guest.
Our guest today's Earl gray Anderson, and Eryl gray Anderson
is a very interesting individual whose mother worked with Warner
von Braun. And if you don't know who that is,
don tell everyone who Warner von Braun is.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
So at the end of World War two when the
Truman administration authorized Operation paper Clip. For first of all,
if anyone who's been living under a rock, Operation paper
Clip was a program authorized by the US government to
bring in tens of thousands, uh maybe not tens of thousands,
that the numbers are somewhat debated, but thousands of Nazis,

(04:15):
high ranking officials from the Third Reich, scientists, engineers, and
some of the worst of the worst types of people.
Well among those people was a man named von Bruhn
who were.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Authentic Dutch German or whatever he is.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
Exactly. So, uh, he worked on Germany's V two rocket program,
which was a program they were attended to develop long
range missiles and allegedly nuclear capabilities, although that's sort of debated.
But anyway, So when von Braun came over here, he

(04:56):
was brought into the State Department and a bunch of
other things. Actually, he was put in charge of the
NASA program. So all of the rocket technology that the
United States later developed throughout the Cold War, for Apollo
and all, you know, the Space Race and all that
sort of stuff was based off of Nazi rocket technology

(05:19):
Von Braun and many others that were brought over here.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, it's interesting. I'm really excited to have him on.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
His mother, Betty Anderson, worked in a secret military base
that was deep underground called the City, and so I've
always been you know, as a kid growing up, you're like,
I'm gonna find myself a secret like base, or you're
going to build a secret base. If you lived out
in the country, you built Tree Force. He did all

(05:47):
that kind of stuff. When you were a kid. If
you're in the city, you're probably trying to get in sewers,
because that's where the Ninja Turtles lived is in a sewer.
They had a secret base in a sewer, you know,
Vultron secret base. Everybody had a secret base.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
When you're growing up.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
But of course our government has secret basis and it's
gonna be interesting episode. We're gonna dive into that and
UFOs and UAPs. He is Earl Gray Anderson is also
the head of Moufon, which is an organization with the
largest UFO data base. By the way, he's in charge
of California, which is a large area to cover. As

(06:19):
me being a certified field investigator for Moufon, I can
tell you I'm sure he's busy that there's a lot
of weird things that go on on that side of town.
I'm really excited to have him on and get some
you know, just talk about the different things he's experienced
and stories his mother used to tell, amongst other things.
And by the way, by working with Wigner von Braun,
I'm not saying in Germany, I'm saying here in the

(06:41):
United States at secret military basis. So this is the
show you will not want to miss. It's gonna be fun. Guys,
I'm really excited to have you here before you go
to you guys today. You know, there's a lot going on.
My brother and I have been talking about this new
TV series, Daredevil by the MCU that's coming out. We've
been binge watching, so I've been spending some time with
the family. But it's something that needed to happen, needed

(07:03):
to you know, get done. But I'm really excited about
born again. I'm a big Daredevil fan. I'm a big
Marvel X Men fan. I collect X Men comic books.
I buy and sell on the side. I don't sling drugs.
I sling comic books. I know it's kind of nerdy
down I love it, but it helps captivate the imagination
by selling and trading, sending stuff to the CGC to

(07:25):
get raided, all that kind of stuff is pretty cool
to get back.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
And you know, I love the business aspect.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
As I mentioned before, I was number one and two
Fortune five hundred companies and this really has nothing to
do with anything, but I love business and I love
talking about these things that we talk about on a
daily basis. By the way, which brings us to our
first conversation, our very first article, and that's precognition. I
want to ask you guys the listener, have you ever

(07:54):
thought of someone and then a few seconds later they
called you, Or maybe you dreamt that somebody was going
to call you, or you're going to run into somebody,
and then you ran into that person.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Maybe you had a.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Thought that something was going to happen, maybe it was
going to rain, or lightning was going to strike, or
somebody who was going to walk through the door at
the local tavern or church or wherever it is that
you're going to or that you're at, and.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Then it happens.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Precognition, precognition and recognizing these things before they happen. Maybe
it's reacting to something before it happened, knowing.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
It was going to happen.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, there's this interesting article that came out in the
Pulse don It says precognition, cognition, our bodies can react
events up to ten seconds before they happen.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Is that like time travel.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
I'm kind of curious on what you're time travel, But
we know what's going to happen before it happens. Or
is it just that everything in the matrix is delayed
and it's like we see the repels of energy and
data flowing in our brain or coming our way to
vi auditory or through our visual core texes, and we're like,
I knew it that was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I saw it it was going to happen.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Or maybe you saw something and you visualized it's spilling
off the counter. Somebody turns and spills it off the counter. Like,
precognition is a very interesting thing, but is it coincidental
or is it something that people experience on the day
to day. I've experienced it where I've thought of someone
and then they happened. Today I was talking about a
certain individual and they hit me up on my cell phone.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Shortly after. I was like, that's just weird.

Speaker 6 (09:41):
Yeah, you know, the exact same thing happened to me yesterday.
I was just chilling getting some work done, and all
of a sudden you popped in my head, and I
was like, hmm, you know why I'm all of a
sudden thinking of Christaan. Less than thirty seconds later is
when you called me and we had a bit of
a conversation out. I was like, man, I even told you,

(10:01):
if I remember correctly, I was like, I've just thought
about you right before you rang me up.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Isn't that weird that happens to people? How is it
they have? Are we fortune tellers done? Are we in
the wrong business?

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Well?

Speaker 4 (10:13):
What it is?

Speaker 6 (10:14):
And we've talked about it on this broadcast a few
times before. I'm quite resolute in that it's in our
inherent intuition. You know, a lot of people we talk
about psychics and ESP and precognition, all this sort of
stuff is as if it's this fanciful thing that exists
in the mystical world. And that's one of the big

(10:35):
reasons why I sent this article to you last night.
The Pulse always does a lot of great work for
people that have been in the indie media space. You
probably recognize the guys behind it, Joe Martino and Argent Walia,
formerly of Collective Evolution. They still run Collective Evolution, but
the Pulse has been their primary jam for the past
few years. And you know, they've always done fantastic work

(10:57):
about UFOs, UAPs, precognit ESP, paranormal like all that sort
of stuff. And this article is particularly interesting, as Argan
rights that you know, it goes over a myriad of
scientific studies that have been conducted. You know, sort of

(11:17):
investigating this phenomenon whether or not as a legitimate thing,
coming to the conclusion that it most certainly is a
legitimate scientific phenomenon. And we're sort of getting to that
point now where things that were previously considered in the
realm of like fantastical mystical, you know, things like precognition
are starting to become recognized as as legitimate scientific anomalies

(11:41):
and investigated as such, and the results are quite interesting.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Well, okay, so I can kind of identify with this
right for our listeners that don't know that maybe tuning
in for the first time. I've covered over one hundred
and fifty protests probably in the last ten years, and
a lot of them were playing yes, But there were
some where I was like, I have a gut instinct
I should be at this event. I should go grab

(12:07):
my camera and be out there right away. And one
of those events was the Jacob Blake shooting and which
ended up being the Kenosha unrest, and I was the
first They credit me with being the first reporter on
scene after Jacob Blake was shot, But whether or not
that's true, I'm not quite sure. But I just had
a gut instinct, and that's happened to me in many

(12:28):
other times sheeps and fashions where I've actually went to
events that I felt like I had a gout instinct
to be there and that I knew that something big
was going to happen, but I didn't know quite what,
and I was the person to get the shot, not
like us shot, but the shot at these events. And
this includes you know, Kenosha and George Floyd in January sixth,

(12:50):
amongst many other things I've covered. And is that precognition
then when you start to feel like the yearning that
you need to be in the certain spot because you're
going to be the person that's can be amplified by
the matrix.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Well, it's certainly a part of it, you know. Like
I said, it plays into the notion of psychics, which
I contend is, as I've said before, more so just
intuitive phenomenon. You know, we've mentioned on the show a
couple of times I have and a couple of other
guests their names escape me. Currently, the concept of you know,

(13:25):
being able to foresee things, uh, is just our own
innate ability of being able to have that sixth sense,
you know, I've likened it quite often to that sixth
sense or to intuition, and literally everyone has it. You know,
we've mentioned before that psychic phenomenon or precognition phenomenon, whatever

(13:47):
people want to label it as, is not some sort
of you know, magical gift that only a handful of
people have. Everyone has it. It's just whether or not
you have unlocked it, trained it as one would train
any skill, you know, determines how effective it is. For some,
it's more common than it is with others. You know,

(14:10):
for myself, for example, I don't know why, but it,
you know, occurs quite often.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
The last time we talked about this, and even the
day afterwards, I remember I had mentioned pretty much any
time that something happens to her, we have to take
the night off, and no, we're not going to do
a show tonight. I know it almost instantly when I
wake up, just something in my gut tells me we're
probably not doing a show tonight. Something's going to come up.
And nine times out of ten, when I have the

(14:37):
gut feeling when I wake up, you usually call me
later and said, hey, some's going on. Let's just take
off the night. And I was like Okay, I already knew,
I already made other plans, and yeah, I've told the
story on the show before as well. You know, my
most maybe infamous moments of this, you know, happened a
few years ago. Back in October of twenty nineteen. I

(14:59):
was going to head up to one of the local
amusement parks, Kings Dominion, where I used to work at
and I still had a lot of friends who were
working up there during the Halloween season, and everything in
my gut was telling me, do not leave tonight. Whatever
you can go tomorrow, go wherever, just for whatever reason,
don't leave tonight, And me being stubborn, I was like, naw,

(15:20):
screw that. I'm gonna go ahead and go. It had
been drizzly all day, but the rain hadn't been that bad.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
Well.

Speaker 6 (15:25):
About twenty minutes after I leave, I'm on the highway.
It's already like nine thirty, almost ten o'clock, it's dark,
it's raining, cats and dogs. I can't see a damn
thing because my vision's already terrible. So I say, Okay,
this is obviously why my gut feeling told me not
to go anywhere. So I'm gonna go home. I turn
off the off ramp that I had never driven on before,

(15:48):
to turn around and go home. And lo and behold,
as I'm going through the intersection, another woman who was
also unfamiliar with the intersection, Know, we just slam into
each other and her bumper is ripped off and my
right side is imploded. And it's just the first and

(16:08):
thankfully and hopefully only car accident I've been in so far.
And if I had listened to my gut feeling that
had told me all day, do not go out tonight,
it would not have happened.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well, there's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
They have those experiences too, right, They have a bad
feeling that something's going to happen, and then they don't go.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Isn't it what the movie Final was? That Final Final Destination?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Final Destinations about that, right, You get this bad gut
feeling they avoid death, and then death tries to come
and collect on what they skipped out on.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
You know, they love these movies. I know a lot
of people you're on.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
The Final Destination is I thought they're kind of the first.
They're all kind of corny if you ask me.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
But yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people
think they're corny and I do too, But it's just
like I have this weird nostalgia for early two thousands
horror movies. I mean, Final Destination, wanted to Saw The Ring,
The Grudge, like, I love all that shit. Man, It's
just something about the specific vibe and aesthetic of early
two thousands horrors just it's great to me.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Well, and yeah, it's early two thousands horror. I'm a
bar of the late seventies early eighties horror. It's just dumb, fake,
like the fake makeup and make you like, it's all
just wild.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's like Dead Alive, Evil.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Dead, those classics where they had to use real props
to try to make things, you know, instead of a person,
it was.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
A watermelon in a wig, you know, to make a
look realistic.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
Don't get me.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Wrong, I love I like Trouma Flecks. Those are two
fake but you know what I'm saying, playmation, all those
different things that.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
Don't get me wrong, I love horror from every generation.
I've got a stack of DVDs YA high of like
nineteen twenties, thirties, forties. I mean, my favorite horror movie
of all time, at least in my top three, is
the Wolfman with Lawn Cheney Junior from the nineteen thirties.
I just think it's a fantastic film.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
I've never seen it. I've never heard of this, but
back to her, like back to our conversation. Precognition and
feeling things out before they happen, maybe, you know, like
women have it. They call it the female intuition, right,
Like you know, you break up with someone and you've
moved on as a dude, and you're out at the
movie theater and she's blown you up because she's got

(18:23):
that female intuition that something is going on. Right, My
mom has that female intuition. When I was a kid
and I was doing something that wasn't like I was
doing something bad, you'd be like, I don't know what
you're doing, but you better not do it. Like, you know,
mom knows what you're doing before you do it. Like
they have this intuition out there, this precognition, cognition where

(18:46):
people get these feelings and or sometimes it comes into
visual cortex.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
They have dreams that are that come to fruition.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Maybe it's a thought of them, a dream of them
working at a you know, pawn shop and a few
sure or them working in as a bartender or go
covering an event, or maybe sitting in for a big
radio show host, whatever it might be. People have precognition,
and it's really important because we all get it. And
it's interesting that their scientific you know, effort to kind

(19:15):
of figure out and monitor. How is it that people
are getting this, How is it that we're you know,
telling the future? And as listeners out there, I'm sure
we can all relate about that. You know, like you mentioned,
you thought of me I called. There's been times we've
had to take the day off. You know it beforehand,
you have that gut instinct that that's coming your way,
or you know, it could work the other way around.

(19:36):
You know, people sometimes I have a feeling that something's
a little bit off, and I think that maybe we'll
be taking some extra time off, or maybe I'll have
a feeling that I'm gonna get a gig like I mentioned,
and all of a sudden, the gig will appear. And
some precognition people feel it in different shapes and forms,
different ways, and it does happen. In the military they
call it the shooters instinct. They know what's going to

(19:57):
happen before before they shoot right, make them inc rtibly accurate,
especially if you're shooting from far away shooters instinct is
very important.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:06):
Absolutely. You know, I have a whole lot of friends
that were in the military, army, Marines, you know, some
of which have done combat tours, and you know they've
told me stories of exactly that said. Yeah, it's a
very legitimate thing.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Also in the news, I wanted to get to Elon
Musk wants to send us off five thousand dollars. Ron
Paul says it's going to cost some inflation, and I agree,
I still want five thousand dollars. I'm not gonna lie
on it sounds good. Please send me five thousand dollars, Musk.
And I think this is just American tax money that
they're sending back.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
Right right, Well, yes and yeah, yes and no at
the same time. So earlier on today's episode of Ron
Paul's Liberty Report, they were discussied it was either today's
or yesterday's. But I saw it today and they were
discussing this, and you know, the simple fact of the

(20:59):
matter is nothing is free. You know, you can't just
hand out free money and not have some sort of
economic impacts. You know, we saw the exact same thing.
Doctor Paul made this point during COVID when right at
the tail end of the Trump administration and then right
at the very beginning of the Biden administration, they both

(21:22):
issued policies giving these these COVID stimulus checks, you know,
a couple thousand dollars to every American and every sensible economist.
Doctor Paul and many others were like, do not do this.
You're just going to cause a massive flux of inflation
a couple of years down the line. And you know,
now here we are in twenty twenty and from twenty

(21:43):
twenty three to twenty twenty five, you know, people have
been bitching about, oh, the cost of living is so
high now and the price of eggs and everything is
going up, and you know, how did we get here? Oh,
it's it's definitely that Bidenomics. It's all's fall. And it's like, yeah,
it's fifty percent Biden's fault. That's damn that's damn sure.

(22:04):
But it's the COVID checks. It's all of the trillions
of dollars that this government gave, not just to people,
because mind you, the overwhelming majority, like ninety percent of
COVID stimulus went to Mega Ahead wrote it up. Yeah,
the overwhelming majority, ninety percent thereabout of COVID stimulus checks

(22:27):
went to mega corporations, went to Walmart and Tesla, and
you know so many of these other companies. Only a
small fraction actually went to the pockets of the American people.
But yeah, you know, money just doesn't get printed off trees.
If you're going to print, you know, trillions of dollars
and just hand it out, it's going to have an
inflationary effect. That's just simple.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I want my five thousand dollars done. I want it.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
I want my taxpayer money back, as much of it
as I can get back. I want it back from
that government. Please give me that rebate check. I get
it inflation. This one, actually, Ron Paul has to say
about it. Check it out and this is zero. Heade
wrote it up.

Speaker 7 (23:04):
Trump and must discuss sending US taxpayers five thousand dollars
texts using DODE savings. Billionaire Elon Musk out of February
eighteenth that he will discuss with President Donald Trump a
proposal to send US taxpayers rebate checks representing a portion
of the money saved by the Department of government efficiency.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
So it's just a portion.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
I wonder if they gave us back all of it,
how much you would it build Those checks be?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Will they be ten thousand dollars? Am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Don for being like, listen, I'm not a socialist, not
by any means, right. And the leftists would be like
you would think they would like this. They'd be like, oh,
five thousand dollars free, people could use that. They want
to give you money for just looking at them. They're like, oh, okay,
universal basic income sounds great, Let's give it to you,
but you better get that jab right, Like, there's probably

(23:56):
gonna be strings attached to it. But this one it's inflation,
and it's only some of the money that they be
set they're.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Going to be saving us.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Those just gonna save us enough money that they can
send us five thousand dollars back in a personal check
and then some.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
I mean, I'm not opposed to getting money back done
it's our money, right.

Speaker 6 (24:15):
Well of course, but like I said, you know, money
doesn't grow on trees, and for every cause there is
an effect.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
You know.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
It's just one of those things where the over people
need to understand market economics, you know, let's let's go
ahead and let the rest of the clip play and
see what you know, see what Daniel McAdams and doctor
Paul have to say about the rest of it.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Okay, yeah, for sure text using DODE savings.

Speaker 7 (24:39):
Billionaire Elon Muskant in February eighteenth that he will discuss
with President Donald Trump a proposal to send US taxpayers
rebate checks representing a portion of the money saved by
the Department of Government Efficiency. You know, the idea is
that they will save a bunch of money, and they
will take a portion of that money that they've saved.

(25:01):
The idea is, we'll save two trillion dollars, will take
a portion of that and give it back to each
household taxpayer household, and that dividends should be around five
thousand dollars per household. That's the idea.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
In a way.

Speaker 8 (25:16):
Disappointed, it's too much gimmickry in this. I don't understand it.
So the proposal is that Trump and Mouse says that
we're saving so much money, we ought to give it
back to the people, which sounds very good.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
So just just cut taxes.

Speaker 8 (25:34):
You know, I don't keep it, but no, they want
issue at checks and taxpayers are five thousand dollars of
checks and because they're going to save so much more,
they're not even going to use up all the saving,
but to count the savings that they might get from
cutting back, you know, by firing a few people. It's

(25:56):
not it's not an iron stone. You know, how many
how many court arguments are going to be, how many
court cases will will there be, so there's a lot
to be heard. But I don't see this as enhancing
what have been already contributed to us, and that is

(26:17):
exposure audit how horrible this is. And the people are
really upset about this, and it represents a system of bankruptcy.
But I don't see this emphasizing uh, you know that
particular point. And actually, uh, if you're going to save
umpteen billions of dollars on spending they had budget, well,

(26:42):
the spending has to go down, the indust rates have
to go down payment and then the debt has the
deficit and the debt that exists has to go down.
And that's that's a big undertaking. Uh. I don't see
how this will add to it. But there's a The
two guys working on this are a lot richer than

(27:02):
we are, so maybe he knows.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
We don't know, but you know, I mean, I don't
think that I don't want to speak for you, but
I don't think that we are. Absolutely think it's the
worst idea in the world. You know, this whole this
whole idea. It's just seems, as you said, gimmicky. And
maybe what Musk is trying to do is to create
the sense of being stakeholders in the cutting process. I
think you sort of alluded to that when you started
out by saying this, that we all feel like some

(27:27):
sort of ownership in this process of cutting government. So
if that's a psychological, you know, benefit of doing it,
maybe it's not a terrible idea to do to give
us all sort of Okay, well we're cutting government and
you're you're benefiting from it in a way, you know,
I don't. I don't know if you remember back during
COVID when they had the stimulus checks that they were
sending out. Now, Thomas Messey, good friend of ours, board

(27:49):
member of our Rom Paul Institute. He made and I
don't have it in front of me. I wish I
had cut it, but I didn't. But he made a
great calculation about how this quote unquote stimulus money that
you're going to get is actually going to cost you
more than you'll have in your pocket to spend through inflation,
through special interest, getting more than you're getting in all
these number of things. So and it actually played out

(28:11):
exactly like you said, and I don't have it in
front of me, but he made that good point. My
guess is that he will be similarly skeptical about this money.

Speaker 8 (28:18):
But that's a good point because let's say they get
their way and next week they're gonna start it. They
don't have money in the bank. So if they're going
to say, if they're going to live up to their promises,
and they have to start sending these checks out, they
have to print the money, which invites more inflation, and
the prices go up, and people, well, I'm not any

(28:39):
better off.

Speaker 7 (28:40):
Yeah, you'll get your five thousand, but then eggs will quadruple.

Speaker 8 (28:44):
Yeah, And that's why people are really upset and they're
not getting the honest answers about why it comes about.
It's debt and a FED modetizing that debt.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Interesting conversation deal with that, And you know what an
interesting viewpoint done just the thought that like if they
wanted to give us a five thousand dollars check from
the money that they're saving.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
They don't even have the money in the bank.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
They'd still have to get the money from somewhere, right,
So they're gonna have to print more money, and then
it's gonna cause more inflation. And then, like he was saying,
like eggs are already ridiculous, who wants to get you know,
spend this kind of money on eggs for twelve sixteen
bucks dollars an egg, I start getting some chickens in
my backyard on and a rooster. Well, I don't think
you can have roosters in a lot of city ordinances.

(29:31):
But you know, I think being self sufficient is the
answer had growing your own garden and getting your own
food and everything else. So, you know, I just find
it interesting. You know, they want to give you money.
It's no difference. There's no real difference between the left
and the right. A lot of times they just want
to buy your vote, right, because that's what it comes
down to, is just buying votes. Who can buy more

(29:52):
votes at the end of the day, and relates two
sides of the same coin. Is there really difference other
than rhetoric between the left and the right. They say
quite different things sometimes, but they behave the same, don't
they done? They really do a lot of times. And
when it comes down to it, we have to ask,
you know, what is the best endgame here? Although I'll
tell you what I really would like five thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
It sounds great to be done. Would you say not
to five thousand dollars? Probably not.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
But that being said, we've come across the hour here
and we're halfway through, and we have our guests that's
joining us. He's waiting backstage for us, and that's Earl
Gray Anderson, and I'm really excited for this guest. Bill
our producer, talked to him up a lot, and he's
out of California. He's an interesting individual. His mother, Betty,

(30:40):
worked in some secret operations and we're going to dive
into that and a whole bunch more. But he's also
also the charge of mof ON in California, so he's
the head of the state director or coordinator of MOOFON.
I once got certified as a field investigator at the
move On Organization and I want to well welcome to

(31:00):
him to our show. Earl Gray Anderson. Welcome to the broadcast.
How you doing today and what a great conversation we're
looking forward to today on today's broadcast, Like AGR A great.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
I hope we're not talking about the price of eggs.
I'm not going to sound very happy if we go.
I do love to have an omelet or make an
eggy sandwich, but not right now, not.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
In the cards.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
I think my wife and I used the last two
eggs we had a couple of days ago.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Oh it's slice.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
See I knew it was a relative topic store.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
They weren't even a vail.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, are a little ridiculous. I've been starting to.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Look, if you want to talk about the leaped UFO
there we go.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, absolutely, it's just going to be yeah, no, absolutely,
that's funny. You know, eggs are are one thing, but
diving into some of the more deeper conversation and on
UAP and UFO rebranding. And we've had a lot of
great guests on this broadcast on the subject of UFO

(32:12):
as we've had, uh, you know, everyone from Mark D'Antonio
to I mean what Donald Schmidt. We've had a lot
of very interesting individuals on the topic of UFO. So
our listeners across the United States are no.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Subject.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
So that being said, uh, well, let's talk about this
for our listeners who don't know who Earl Gray Anderson is.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Who are you? What is it that you're into? And uh,
you know, kind of dive into some of your experience
and how you ended up here.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
Wow, Uh that you want the everything bagel and I
am happy to do the everything.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Bagel for you. Guys.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
You did mention my mom, and I will say that
she's probably the reason why the interest in UFO is
in this whole topic was kind of this fifty foot
question mark over my head most of my life, which

(33:19):
did lead me to become a move On field investigator.
And I've been working with mofon for about ten years
now a little over. I'm currently on case my one
thousand and fiftieth case that I have personally investigated for
move On. A wonderful team of field investigators out here

(33:44):
in southern California. We are the busiest state in North
America for UFO sidings. It's just very dramatically busy or
here oftentimes we have twice to three times as many
UFO reports come in as elsewhere. Now, some of that

(34:09):
of course is going to be because we of course
have the Vandenberg space for his base out here on
the shore, and people are not used to seeing rocket
launches out here in southern California, especially not rocket launches
where the booster stage goes flying back to base. And

(34:32):
I've even had the seasoned rocket scientists put in UFO
reports saying, well, I watched the beautiful launch, and then
I think there was a UFO following the you know,
the Falcon nine rocket, and then I watched it travel
back towards the base. And of course, you know, I'll

(34:53):
get a hold of all those people and say, actually,
that wasn't a UFO, It was an IFO, but verd
and interesting looking IFO. You watched a rocket come back
that had just launched satellites up into orbit, coming back
to the launch pad, and they have a little grabbing

(35:14):
pins and everything now, and they land those right there
the same place where they took off from.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
But you know, and we have a few.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Major military bases out here along with the Vandenberg. Of course,
we've got Edwards Air Force Base, which is kind of
steeped in. You established a connection between Edwards and Area
fifty one out in Nevada, our next door neighbor here.

Speaker 6 (35:50):
And.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
As well as the naval base that we have in
San Diego, and there's I think a UFO interest. I
think that there's an interest by our visitors in our
especially nuclear capacity, nuclear weaponry and all that stuff. So
it doesn't surprise me that there's that activity because everything

(36:17):
is certainly not SpaceX that people are seeing out here.
A lot of black triangle sidings, a lot of pilot sidings,
a lot of military sidings, police coming forward at cufos,
sometimes close up, even experiencer cases. I had a police

(36:38):
officer that believed that he was abducted from his cruiser,
and a very compelling case. But the way that this
all started was way back in nineteen sixty three.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
I'm an old guy.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
I'm sixty six now, but I was five years old.
My mom had worked for Hugh was Aircraft back in
the nineteen fifties. She actually was one of Howard Hughes's
private secretaries. He had a couple, my mom was one
of them. Everybody knew about that. But when I was

(37:15):
five years old, my mom sat across from my corn
flakes one morning and she told me a very interesting story.
I believe it was weighing on her shoulders.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
She told me about how.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
They sent her out to the middle of the desert.
She didn't say which one with a security detail, and
that there was nothing else out there where they took
her except for this one. It was a shack, is
what she called it. I've heard other people with similar
stories to my mother story referred to the.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Holding with the bend.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
She said that they opened up the door that was
on this bunker and that there was an elevator, and
that was it. The only thing in there was an elevator.
She had no preamble of what to expect why they
took her out to this place, but she, you know,
she trusted her handlers, and then she got into this

(38:22):
elevator expected it to go down a floor or two.
She said that this elevator kept going down faster and
faster until she felt butterflies in her stomach. And she
said that a mile under the desert, the doors opened
up and that there was a little city under the
desert there. She said that they worked on top secret

(38:46):
projects and a lot of the German rocket scientists were
working there under the desert. She gave me some details
like they would get around in these golf carts that
they had things. They tried to make people feel comfortable
down there, so that there was a bowling alley, a
movie theater, things like that.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
That's an article it was written about my mom. It's
kind of an old article now written by Jeff Krause,
our former state director here. So anyhow, my mom talked
about this facility under the desert and then she said, well, Earle,

(39:30):
I just want you to know you're going to hear.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
About UFOs.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
And so I kind of got disclosure when I was
five years old, and that story haunted me for years
and years. My mom tried to She retired when I
was born. She was actually working in that facility while

(39:57):
she was pregnant with me, she told me, and she
but she eventually went back to work. She worked as
a She she actually screened scientists and different people that
worked in our you know, highly classified military industrial sites,

(40:19):
places like Rockwell Science Center in Thousand Oaks area, that
they they they're the guys that gave you the space Shuttle.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
She was.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
Kind of populating Northrope TRW Lockheed skunk Works that was
a major client of hers. She she did know Ben Rich,
who was the guy that took over Lockheed Skunkworks from
Kelly Johnson, the original guy, and and my mom to

(40:56):
her deathbed she told me, she said that, you know,
what she told me was true, that we weren't alone
in the universe. So I guess I'm one of those
rare guys, rare human beings out there where I really
don't need disclosure. I've had it already. I've had it
most of my life. I would like to see the

(41:16):
rest of the world know, and I'd like to know
the details around it, because my mom never got detailed
about you know, who the beings were. You know, she
would address this every now and then, and then she
would look a little guilty after talking a bit. One time,

(41:37):
I may have actually gotten her into trouble. I heard
that I got her into trouble actually from a guy
from the DoD who said that you had read my
mom's file. And he said, well, you know we're all
you're in. You're in your mother's file. We knew about
you and I And he said, you gave your little
fourth grade class kind of major national securities a little

(42:04):
debrief in front of your class room. Didn't you, And
this was back back in nineteen six. But yeah, I
apparently you know my mom, well, the whole class I
told them what I just told you, and that there
was such a thing as space people and UFOs, and

(42:25):
the teacher had a parent teacher conference with my mother.
And I got a bit of a lecture after that
conference that she had. She said, I didn't lie to you, son,
I had to tell your teacher that you have a
wild imagination. But what you told your class was true.
But people don't know about little cities under the desert,

(42:46):
and they certainly don't know about intelligent life and outer space.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
And she went on to say that, you.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Know, she could actually go to prison if I ever
talked about it before. She was kind of amazed that
I remembered this thing.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
I know that she.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
Probably I don't know. She regretted telling me when I
was five, because I think she wanted me to know.
But anyway, that led on to me eventually joining MUFON.
I read books about the subject. I was a skeptic
about the subject, kind of half skeptic and half believer

(43:24):
for most of my life because all the guys I
looked up to said that it was a bunch of nonsense,
Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov, Arthur Clark. Later on, I found
out that Arthur Clark actually he had a correspondence with
doctor J. L. Heinek from Project blue Book, and I'm
close friends with the Heinech brothers, Joel and Paul, and

(43:46):
Paul showed me the correspondents his father had with Arthur Clark,
and Artie Clark actually told his dad he said.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I think that what you're doing that there's something.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
Thing to it.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
I think that that you invited to another moonshot. So anyway,
that's that's my origin story in a nutshell.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, it's fascinating, like not everyone can share that experience
or have had similar experiences. Obviously, it's very unique to you.
And it's interesting to hear about your mother buddy going
into these deep underground military bases and getting in an
elevator sounds like something straight out of Doctor Who, or
somebody goes into the Tartists in a small little box.
But you get in there and it's like this huge

(44:35):
cigar or Captain Kangaroo. It's like foreshadowing owls, like you
go into these little you know, boxes, or'small low place
in the desert has you know, it looks like an
outhouse and you walk in it's an elevator and it
takes you a mile down underground. I wonder what they
all had down underground in that secret of deep military
underground base. You know, you hear nowadays all these different

(44:58):
secrets and topics about a blue room or a room
that has UFOs or animal human hybrids, or they're trafficking children,
governments doing all these crazy things underground, and you know,
I don't know if there's really a lot of truth
tell any of those, but it is interesting. We do
know our government has secret military bases underground, and there

(45:20):
is a UFO phenomenon, right, We know that now as well,
and it makes complete sense that they would.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Have something like that. What do you think that they
all had underneath it?

Speaker 1 (45:31):
You said it was a city, and I believe this
because I've seen videos of the Ozark and it's like they.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Have their own farms, their own warehouses.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
They have these train tracks that go in the earth
into the middle of nowhere, who knows how many miles
and where do they go to Do they go to
these deep underground military bases? Do they have multiple cities
underground connected, And it's just fascinating to me to believe
that there's probably people that are in these deep underground
military bases that live there and rarely come up to
see the sunshine.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
It's crazy. It's interesting right now.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
I mean this is in the nineteen fifties.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, right right, So you know that they got to
be a lot more advanced now, and they got to
be a lot more intricate. So what do we all
know about the underground city? Did they have shops? Could
you go shopping and get closed? Do they have like
movie theaters?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
What it was like? It was it like a small
mini city that they had down there? Was it like
a mall? What was it like? Do you recall did
Betty telling you at all?

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Well, I've I'm not the only person out there that
has a story like my own. I had somebody get
a hold of me the other day who was referred
to me who I think she was on Reddit or
something and just made like a comment my father worked
in an underground facility and it was involved with the
UFO phenomenon? Does anybody else know about this stuff? And

(47:01):
she didn't know who I was, She wasn't really interested
in the UFO phenomenon. But we spoke and she referred
She said that her father referred to it as the city.
And for the first time, I think I know why
they call it the city. Any DoD people, if I'm
telling national secrets, give me a nudge and I'll stop

(47:24):
telling about this. But what she said was was that
the different tunnels were laid out like the city of
New York, and they gave each tunnel a different street name,
like you'd have Broadway, you'd have fifty second Street, etc.
And that you would be given an address for her father.

(47:47):
Her father was an aerospace engineer.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
This was.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
It was back in the early.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
Yes, but again, and it was in the middle of nowhere,
nothing else around, and and you know, there was the
whole elevator thing, and he had an address that they
gave him. Now, you would have these tunnels and then

(48:25):
they would have these doors, and the doors would have
the addresses on them. So they took him to the
correct door. There was another aerospace engineer waiting at the
same door. By the way, they did it two fur
this time. Apparently they opened the door and there it

(48:45):
was all dark, but when you would walk in there,
the floor was sensitive and it would it would turn
on the lights above you, just like maybe ten feet ahead.
And so they're walking through this tunnel and there's a
stairway that was just it was very steep, and it
kind of went up quite a bit. I remember they're

(49:06):
already way under the ground, but now they're walking upstairs
and the second door had opened up and there was
sort of a catwalk kind of thing. And she didn't
say what they showed her father, But I've heard this
story too from other people. They showed him something that
changed his life. The other engineer that was with him

(49:28):
literally fainted on the spot. Now most of these guys
wind up going into working on alternate aerospace forms of propulsion.
My friend Dan Harari, his father had a similar story.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
He worked on.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Futuristic drone technology. And they weren't using rotors, they weren't
using rocket jets. It was something that the public's not
aware of. And again this was back in the nineteen
late nineteen sixties, early nineteen seventies. Same story with his father.
They showed him something underground under a military base, and
it changed his life. He came home looking white as

(50:12):
a ghost, and he suddenly started having insomnia. So I
wonder if they showed showed these people a craft and
maybe beings. I can't think of what else would make
somebody faint outright, you know, especially I mean a scientist
that used to thinking of.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
Quantum physics.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I keep thinking of Men in Black, you know that
scene where they have all the aliens come in right,
and then you're looking around as aliens, and if.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
They just.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Yeah, you know, I think that if they just showed
him a UFO, then the question would be, well is
this hours? I think whatever they showed these people that
work in these facilities, it's unequivocally not ours. It's something
that just ontologically shocks that person, and I figure it

(51:13):
would have to be beings along with a craft or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
But I don't know.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
None of these people ever talk about what they were shown.
My mom certainly didn't. She just doubled down over her lifetime.
I mean I took her to see the movie Star
Wars when it came out, like two days after it
came out, and she got very loquacious after that film.

(51:39):
She said, son, you have no idea how close to
the truth Star Wars is. It's not far fetched at all.
It's just like that the different vehicle, you know, the
different spacecraft.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
The multiple beings. It's really like that.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
But they're never going to tell the public. And by then,
you know, nineteen seventy and I was, you know, kind
of a cocky teenager. I was old enough to you know,
question her about it.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Well, why the hell not? Why would they tell the public?

Speaker 8 (52:08):
You know?

Speaker 4 (52:09):
And she brought up the HG.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Wells War of the World's radio broadcast and how people reacted.

Speaker 6 (52:31):
To that.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
There's a CIA filed that the Black Vault Jehan Greenwald
from the Black Vault released recently, and this document used
the same excuse my mom used. So I always thought
that she was just talking off the top of her head,
and now I think she was actually quoting something. And
you know, she mentioned that it could disrupt major world

(52:55):
religions and the banking system, and she just said, ill
ever ever happened. I wonder if it would be different
now now that we have all these whistle blowers coming forward.
I wonder, seriously if my mom might have been one
of those. I guess I'm doing it for her. I
don't know if she'ld be horrified or thrilled, But you know,

(53:19):
here we go.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
You know, it's certainly very interesting to me when looking
into these sorts of subjects because you know, of course,
we know there are numerous underground military facilities that are
publicly known, and of course we have Cheyenne Mountain, whether
Raven Rock, you know, all these that are not necessarily
maybe perhaps but at least, you know, officially not connected

(53:44):
to the whole UFO phenomenon. They're more so concerned like
continuity of government. But even then we have, you know,
whistle blowers from you know, the infamous facilities such as
Area fifty one, people like Bob Lazar and others, however
credible one may assume them to, who have also said
that the majority of the Area fifty one facility is

(54:04):
not the above ground hangars and airstrips, but is mostly
below ground. And so it begs the question, and you know,
perhaps you can provide some insight to this, just how
many of these underground facilities do you really think that
there are scattered across I mean the United States, but
even maybe globally.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
I think they're interconnected. Probably by this time, I mean,
I believe we've had them, well, I know, we've had
them since the fifties there's author Richard Souder who's written
a few books about underground they call them dumbs deep
underground military bases. And I had a little you know, eBay,

(54:49):
i'll correspondence. Hus Howard Hughes had the very first privately
owned lab at Area fIF fifty one and it was
opened back in nineteen fifty two when AREO fifty one
opened up, And that works along with my mom's timeline.

(55:09):
She worked there till May of nineteen fifty eight when
I was born. So anyway, that was we're talking the
nineteen fifties. I bet you we probably had some underground
facilities even before that.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
It's how you.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
Hide your secrets. I mean, even my mom said that
I had a skeptic friend and I.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
This is sad.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
I mean, my mom was actually on her deathbed. She
had a hospital bed in my parents' living room, and
a friend of mine was visiting and he was one.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Of these guys where he just the idea of UFOs.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
It was abhorrent to him and he thought it was
absurd and he didn't believe even in an underground around.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Cities like my mom talked about. So just.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
On a whim, I brought him out to my mom's
beds side, and I just asked my working in a
deep underground facility. And I remember remember she had a
habit of pulling her glasses down when she was going
to get serious. She pulled her glasses down. I think

(56:31):
she's working on one of her aerospace contracts. And she
told them, she said, well, Ken, how do you think
we hide our national secrets? You hide them underground. You know,
spies can't get to it that way, it can't be sabotaged.
Satellites can't see them, and that's how we hide things.
And earls are not lying to you. Yes, I did
work in a facility like that. He was kind of

(56:55):
taken aback. He knew my mom well enough, and he knew,
you know that she was ahead a hundred at the
time for the aerospace companies, that that was unequivocal. And
she told him that that existed. So I think he
was afraid she was going to tell him UFOs were

(57:15):
real too. She didn't go there, She didn't go that far.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Well, what kind of impact do you think the disclosure
would have on the people in general? Especially you start
to think of religion, and you know, basically education, there's
got to be a lot of major impacts that could
potentially happen. I don't know if I really see it
being an independent state type scenario, but I think that, like,

(57:41):
there's gonna be a lot of questions people are going
to have, especially if there is disclosure amongst that there
are multiple species visiting this planet. How is it that
they're being kept secret? How long has this been going on?
Probably before we've been around, even it's probably been going on.
But how do you think this is going to have
an impact on our culture?

Speaker 5 (58:04):
Oh, it will impact our culture. I think soft disclosure
has been going on for a long time. And of course,
I mean I think that disclosure officially was done in
twenty seventeen with that New York Times front page article
about the tic TAC. The military could have gone and

(58:24):
poo pooed the whole.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Thing, and they didn't.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
It was very quiet after that article came out, and
you've seen everything that's happened since, and I think they're
being very careful about how they're reeling this information out.
And I don't know that we will ever get the
whole story officially. I'll be surprised if it happens, but

(58:49):
I'll happily eat crow if it happens. I do remember
my mom just how emphatic she was about how they'll
never tell the public. But it seems like something that's
changed out there, so maybe we'll hear something. You know,
my buddy Steve Bassett thinks it's going to happen within
the next forty five days. I guess we'll see what happens.

(59:10):
You know, I'm not placing any bets, but but I'll
be very thrilled if that happens.

Speaker 6 (59:17):
I was just about to bring up we had Stephen
Bassett on recently having this conversation about disclosure, and I
wanted to get your take on that as well, because
obviously you know Steven's take, you know, is that essentially
the extraterrestrial life forums have sort of, you know, basically
come up and set the buck stops here. You're either

(59:39):
going to start telling people that we're here, or you know,
there's going to be an events, you know where it's
it's going. You know, we take it out of your hands,
you know, referring to the government. And so do you
share that opinion or do you differ in it, because
because I find it to be quite curious I've contended
for many years that you know that since the twenty

(01:00:02):
seventeen tic TAC video that came out in the New
York Times, that there's been this disclosure sort of syop
going on with the military industrial complex trying to spin
the UFO narrative to fit some of their own agendas.
I asked even about that. He disagreed with it completely,
which I'm very much open to. You know, I'm certainly

(01:00:24):
you know, no you know, authority on the subject, so
very curious to hear your take.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
Well, you know, if this comes out, they're going to
have to be very careful how they do it, obviously,
and I don't think that they're gonna I think the
biggest fear is that the military doesn't want to go
on record saying we can't protect you from this, even
though I don't believe they can't. You don't think that,
you know, it's like throwing spears at an aircraft carrier.

(01:00:55):
I don't think that we have any way to, you know,
to protect ourselves from.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
The good news.

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
I know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
Well, I think that's another fear, as I'm afraid that
this disclosure is going to be used to bolster things
like militarism and and and the one thing we see,
you know, I actually it's a resource team. My mentor

(01:01:28):
is Kathleen Martin, who's Betty and Barney Hill's niece.

Speaker 7 (01:01:33):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
And I talk with a lot of military that have
had incursions into their households and stuff by these beings.
And we see a recurring message. Three actually that people
are told telepathically that nuclear weapons are evil and wrong

(01:01:54):
and if you attempt a nuclear war, that will be
the end of your civilization. That's it, the end of
all things for you. Number two, stop trashing your world
like it's you know, a resource that you can go
and replace on some other planet.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
This this is what you get. And you need to
treat your world better than you do. Number three is.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Humans need to do better yourselves. Raise your vibration. We
hear that from a lot of folks. People are oftentimes stumped,
what does that mean?

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Raise my vibration? You know, I have to get.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
Parkinson's disease or something, you know, and be shaking, and
it's like, no, live on a higher level.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
And I've had I've heard this from you know, marines.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
You know, one guy was taken through the ceiling of
his barracks. He had PTSD, and not from going and
serving in Vietnam on the front lines, but from what
happened to him when he was taken up to a
craft and he was shown possible futures and they weren't good.

(01:03:02):
It was almost like Charles Dickens Chris Christmas Carol, where
the ghost of Christmas futures, you know. And I had
a guy who's a mucky muck at one of the
major aerospace companies, had like ninety people under him, engineers,
same story, incursion into his room by beings in his case,

(01:03:27):
and the same kind of message. And I think that
this changes people. They become introspective. They start looking at
the moral implications and the future implications on humanity that
are combativeness can cause. So, you know, I think that

(01:03:50):
that's a big issue. I wonder if our visitors. I
don't think that they've wanted disclosure up until now, but
I think it's sort of have reached a fever pitch,
and I you know, I mean a lot of people
are worried out there, and maybe it is time for
that kind of disclosure where people need to know that

(01:04:12):
you've got babysitters earth, you're not alone, all.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Right, how would they impact our politics? Something interesting you
mentioned I've heard before in the nineteen nineties there was
a broadcaster by the name of William Cooper who claimed
his father heard murmurs on military basis that UFOs were
disarming nukes. It's just interesting to me. I'm not saying
that his story is accurate, but it's interesting to me

(01:04:37):
that you are mentioning that, you know, nuclear war would
be the end of this planet. It is something they're
concerned about. Have you ever heard any stories of nukes
being disarmed by UFOs and this happening at military basis,
Because I've listened to a lot of different episodes and
I just that's just one that sticks out since you
mentioned nukes, that's the first thing that came to my mind.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
The two major.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
There's stories that come to know both of the commanding
officers of those bases. The first one Robert Solace. And
Robert's a local here and he's a dear friend of mine.
He and his wife, Marylyn. I've known him for a
few years and you know, I mean, you know, we'll
meet for lunch and stuff is pretty common. And he

(01:05:27):
was the commanding officer in the nuclear facility. It was
a capsule underground at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana.
And this was way back in nineteen sixty eight, but
I've heard his story multiple times in detail he was there.

(01:05:47):
People think that they used electromagnetic pulse to just turn
everything off. The missiles were targeted because the computer systems,
the radio, the video monitor, even the air they had
to have air pumped down to them there. All those

(01:06:09):
were still going on. The lights were still on. But
they had an incursion over that facility by a disc
shaped craft and it somehow or another it just affected
the ten ICBMs that were there in their silos.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
It wasn't like they.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Flipped a switch off. Those missiles had to be completely rewired.
They were intentionally disabled. And I also knew David Shindle
who is the commanding officer over at Man Base over
in North Dakota, and David tells the exact same story,
same thing you know as the underground capsule with the

(01:06:48):
icbm's incursion on the base by a disc shaped kind
of plasmic like plasmoid UFO and it shot some kind
of a beamed down there and it disabled the ten
ICBMs that they had online nothing else was touched. Everything
else was still online.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
But I think the.

Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
Message is pretty clear, and you know you taught David
Shindloy is not a very public person. He doesn't feel
comfortable in front of crowds. He has written a very
good book that you can get, but a hardband to reach,
and synchronicity seems to be one of those things that

(01:07:30):
works well for me. I was speaking over at the
mcmonville UFO fest.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
A couple a couple of years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Sat down for dinner and at the table starts saying hello,
mister Shindley. He had his old commander cap on and
all that veteran cap and stuff, and it's like, it's
funny that you're sitting across For me, I've been trying
to get a hold of you, and now I'm in

(01:08:01):
touch with.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
David.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
A wonderful guy, great patriotic person that ladies risked his
life for our country, just like Bob Slas did. Tell
us the same story, and both of them are willing
to speak to Congress under oath. I think they're trying
to work that out. I think Danny Shehan is trying
to work that out for him right now, and that

(01:08:25):
would be a good thing. I do know that Bob
talked to He was introduced to Nancy Mace by my
friend Tyler Roberts, who has the Total Disclosure podcast. And
Tyler was up in d C for the most recent
congressional hearing session, and he had an appointment with Nancy Mace,

(01:08:50):
the congresswoman, and he kind of gave up his little
interview with her to introduce her to Robert Salace and
have him tell her his story. And I think that
that's what kind of got kind of nudged Nancy, uh,
Nancy Mason to uh being more active in working towards disclosure.

(01:09:13):
And you talk to Solace and you talk to Chindla,
they have the same attitude that that Yeah, it was
done like a shock, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:09:50):
Right, I'm sorry. We're trying to work through this wi
FI is, so we're we apologize a little bit of
a but you know, so it's interesting when it comes to,
you know, that whole concept of extraterrestrial interference in uh,
you know, the their nuclear armament capability which has been

(01:10:13):
stretching back decades now.

Speaker 8 (01:10:16):
And.

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
Going back to our the conversation that we had previously
when we were discussing the subjects.

Speaker 8 (01:10:31):
It was.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
We just mentioned him a little while ago, and I
cannot recall his name now. It's it's it's awful, but
your colleague who had mentioned perhaps disclosure in forty five days.
I can't believe I just mentioned him a moment ago
and I just slipped my name slipped my mind. Oh,
Steve Bassett, Thank you, Steve Bassett. Yeah, so my mind

(01:10:57):
goes back to our conversation with him, and it just
makes me think of the current headlines that we were
recently seeing now with you know, potential alleged potential talks
between Trump and Putin and Xijinping talking about denuclearization, wanting

(01:11:18):
to stop production of nuclear weapons, things of that nature.
And as soon as I saw those headlines, I immediately
thought back to our conversation with Bassett and the same
as it was when we were, you know, just just
speaking about this. Now, do you think that that's a
part of it or maybe just a bit of a coincidence,
you know, I'm I would certainly like to believe, you
know that, you know, we've we've had some sort of

(01:11:41):
extraterrestrial messaging come in and said all right, Trump, you know,
we really got to get on the ball with shutting
down these nukes. Man, it's not good for humanity, and
that he's going to play ball with it. I would
hope and pray, you know, that that's happened, because I've
been a very big advocate for you know, anti war
and just getting rid of nukes and all that stuff
for years.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
I hope. So it's about time.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
I mean, they've been given us that message, in my opinion,
for many years now, at least since the nineteen sixties.
That's when you know, the Malmstrom incursion and the Mi
Not Base incursion happened. And I hear rumors that this
sort of thing is still happening. There's one story that

(01:12:32):
came out out after the fall of the Iron Curtain,
the set on launch mode before they disabled them, give
them a little chill and fear.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
In their hearts first.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
I don't know if that's happened here or not, but
it seems like it's a very important, maybe one of
the paramount reasons why this phenomena has shown its hand
its own itself.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
Because you know, I don't think they have to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
I think that we've seen evidence that they can, you know,
have cloaking abilities and stuff like that, but I think
that they want the military to know you're not alone.
We are here and we're not happy with this and
you need to change this.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
So I'm all for it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
I mean, if we can, you know, stop pointing nuclear
missiles at each other and be assured that that has happened.
And I think that possibly with the technology.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Our visitors have, that we would be assured that perhaps we.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
Can look forward to this happening. I am all for
it though myself. It's definitely one of the messages that
people are are hearing more most frequently, and I mean
important people are hearing this from from our visitors themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
So I've been thinking about this for quite Some Umans.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
Could be pretty stubborn though, sometimes, especially about giving up
their you know, destructive toys.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Right, you know, we always are looking for things to
blow things up with, and dynamite to catch fish, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
It might be. People and human beings seen to be
very destructive.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
One thing I've been thinking about for a long time
is the most incredible UFO videos that are out there.
We're provided by government. Is there a good chance that
a lot of the UFOs that the government is admitting
to are our own aircraft that we created as a
result of UFOs that we found. I don't know what
your thoughts are, but as somebody who has seen a
lot of UFO videos and a lot of pictures and

(01:14:46):
being someone that was a certified field investigator at mouf
On once, I can't say that I've ever really seen
an authentic UFO video and or image that wasn't doctored up,
that wasn't divided by our government by some shape or form.
And I think it's really interesting to point out because
if the government had advanced aircraft, they would want to

(01:15:09):
verify that works by trying to check our trick our
own military, wouldn't they. So there's a little there's a
little thought process. The camp most game is is this
really a soft disclosure. Are we really just getting a
limited hangout and the images and the videos that we're
seeing are really our own governments secret aircraft? Or do
you think that what we're seeing by the military that

(01:15:29):
they're putting out there is legitimate UFOs?

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
I honestly that goes to my baby box, as a
lot of things do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
But you know, I.

Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
Just the tic tac alone is traveling at Mack eighteen.
It was not creating sonic booms. It was making ninety
degree turns. And then I have one case that happened
here near Seal Beach, and it actually it was at
the exact same coordinates of where the tic tac was

(01:16:08):
first seen. Very active area, like twenty miles off of
the shore of the mainland. Twenty miles off the shore
of Catalina. I think that's the right Where is it
ten miles might be twenty miles across.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Anyway, I forget.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
But anyhow, there was a commercial pilot and his wife
and his brother in law. They were camping on East
Catalina Island. It was near midnight and the pilot is
sitting in a lounge or sitting in a little beach chair,
looking out towards the shore, and he watched a three

(01:16:46):
hundred foot self illuminated sphere come out of the water,
no windows, no, you know. It was like a giant
like a giant crystal.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Ball made of gold.

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
He watched this thing go up into the air and
he said it was doing a crosswise flying flight pattern,
and then it just sat there evading gravity. And then
its yelling for his brother in law and his wife,
you know, bring the binoculars. And by the time they
get there, this thing had submerged again, and he was
telling him about it, and then it came back out.

(01:17:20):
It re submerged, and now he had the binoculars and
he said that he was watching this thing and it
had water dripping off the surface of it. It wasn't
some ghostly thing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
Again.

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
It did this crosswise flight pattern and then it shot
up out of the atmosphere. Oh before it shot out
of the atmosphere, it doubled itself. It was like mitosis,
you know. It turned into two three hundred foot across
golden spheres and those both shot up out of the atmosphere.

(01:17:54):
I don't think we have that technology. I really think
that that's kind of out of our range of what
we can do. Maybe I'm wrong, but that sounds like
something that's maybe thousands of years ahead of what we
can do.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
It was solid. You could see the.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
Water coming off of it. And this guy was no crank,
you know. I saw his proof of who he was
and what he did. You know, we put our hand
lives in his hands whenever we would take a flight
that you know he was used to flying that coastal
flight path. So and I spoke with his wife, and

(01:18:35):
I think I spoke with a brother in law as well.
I did speak for sure, I spoke with his wife
about it. And I don't think that that sounds like
our technology.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
But there's no photo technology. Do you think there's no video?

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Do you think this is like interdimensional technology where they're
plugging in and out of our dimension, So it's almost
like a string theory where they're at two places at
one time, and that's why you see two metal orbs
vating or what.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Do you think the process is for travel?

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Because the travel intergalactically at incredible speed, I think it's
very unlikely. It's more likely to like maybe punch out
of well I mentioned, and I did another one come back.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
Quantum metriking seems to be one way you can fool
the speed of light.

Speaker 8 (01:19:29):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:30):
I had a close encounter with a craft some years
ago and uh, and I did not take photos or video.
I thought that I was thinking my own thoughts and
this was a daytime sighting. I was on the way
to work a twelve hour nursing shift. I'm an old
retired nurse and I worked that shift that day. This
thing was waiting for me, hovering over a school yard,

(01:19:53):
and the closer I got to it, sounds became muffled.
H time seemed weird, and when I go was about
thirty five feet away from this thing, I was actually
pushing down on the gas pedal. I The main thing
going through my head is, oh God, I'm going to
be late to work, and it's ugly.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
UFO. Anyway, where are all the light?

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
It's okay, that's not me, you know. But it was
sort of like the Jedi mind trick I think that
they used. You can imagine later on I was like
face palming, like like three minutes later, when I guess
I was out of their range of influence. But the
last time I looked at it, I did like a
shoulder check, and it seemed like it was right in

(01:20:40):
my face and miles away. At the same time, I
talked to one physicist and he said, well, that sounds
like gravatic lensing. That object was leaving you, you know,
maybe like warp drive speed, and that's what it would
look like. It would look like it had gotten closer
to you, and it would look like it was this
distant object. So, uh, I think that they use transdimensional

(01:21:06):
wormhole type technology to get here probably and uh, but
if they're coming from other planets in our own universe,
they would have to use something like warp technology. Quantum
metric ing, I think is the the term that is
used out there by by scientists. So and I may

(01:21:29):
have actually seen that.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
And you know that that brings up a really interesting question,
you know, about the technology. You know, because multiple times,
you know, we've had Mark d Antonio, top astronomer and
physicist on this broadcast, you know, discussing things such as
you know, KK gravitons, Kaluza client gravitons and the ways
in which this technology, uh, you know may be able
to to you know, warp in between uh, you know,

(01:21:55):
one dimension to the other to give the appearance of
you know, traveling at these these remarkable speeds. And as
well as you know what you're the previous or you
just told about these submersed uh sort of UAPs from
underneath the water, and you know, opens up a whole
different Beth, excuse me, a whole different segment of the

(01:22:17):
conversation when with regard to you know, potential submerged UFOs
and and uh, you know, things going on underneath the
water and things of that nature. And have you spoken
with Mark at all about uh, you know, kalusikline gravitons
are that sort of technology.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
A little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
Mark is a friend, you know, I usually, you know,
bump into him and talk a little bit at the
Mouffine Symposium or you know, contact in the desert and
stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
And I like Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
Good guy, and he knows his stuff, and he's probably
pickier and more skeptical than I am about case reports
and stuff. He's very good, and he's got some wild
stories of his own. And he probably talked about the

(01:23:10):
the USO that when he was in the nuclear sub
it came on the radar and this thing was moving
around like an object would move in the air or
without atmosphere at all. And for these objects, it seems
like surface tension and resistance don't matter. They just seem
to ignore those things. And so if they're sort of

(01:23:33):
half in this universe and half in another, that might
be how they trick the physics and do stuff like that.
I mean, I don't know how else you would move
an object at Mack eighteen and not have eighteen sonic booms.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
Or do a ninety degree or the one hundred.

Speaker 5 (01:23:52):
And twenty degree turn immediately while traveling speeds like that,
you'd be you know, jelly on the side of the craft.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
It was manned. But UFOs do this all the time
or UAP.

Speaker 5 (01:24:06):
You know, that's the new that then they don't have
to talk about the stuff that people saw in the
sixties and seventies and fifties and forties, you know, like
the term UAP gives them an excuse to.

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
Get around. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, But.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
It'll be interesting to see what the public is told.
And again, I wonder how my mom would be reacting
to this stuff. She died in nineteen ninety nine, and
she again, you know, she told me, like maybe a
week or two before she passed away, that they would
never tell the public. I even asked her about Bob Lazaar.
I told her that there's this guy, this Lazarre guy,

(01:24:52):
sounds like one of your you know, people that get
out to these different companies. Mom, and she looked real
uncomfortable when I meant his name, I think she knew
who he was. And she said, Bob Lazer, that's not
a real name. And she went back to work, and
I think she probably knew who he was. Who knows,

(01:25:14):
she might have gotten him out there on the contract, but.

Speaker 6 (01:25:19):
I do.

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
I know the former head of security from cal Tech.
He said that everybody knew Bob, that he did have
his doctorate, and that they killed him on paper. That
was the old head of security at cal Tech. He
said everybody knewho Bob was, and when he went public,
we had a rest on site if he came on
to campus order. I know Bob Blazaar's old buddy, Ron

(01:25:45):
Rieger used to go out to the desert and blow
up cars with him and stuff old cars, shoot at
old cars in the desert. And Bob was a hard
and skeptic against UFOs. He thought John Leir was nuts.
And then he went out on this assignment and he
came back and it was like suddenly you HAVEFOS are real,

(01:26:05):
you know, So something something happened to Bob. He saw something,
and I believe the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Yeah, this whole idea is very fascinating, and the idea
that we're not alone in space. I got a book
here called Admissible by Chase Klutchkey and Rister Dolan. We've
had them both on the show over the years, and
people have a fascination of this subject. And it's interesting
seeing these disclosure hearings come out and what people are

(01:26:41):
claiming to see. I'm just curious on how much of
his government versus authentic UFO and aliens. And another thing
is if there's multiple different styles of UFOs, that might
mean that there's different species of aliens visiting this planet,
which is another interesting topic. I get this really interesting
book by a guy named Craig Campo Basso.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Yeah, and you know, yeah, it's a great book.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
There's a little bit of imagination I think that goes
with this. But like I do find it interesting because well,
you know, people will like fill in the blank. If
you don't know, I guess you to fill it in.
But it talks about all these different species, and I
don't deny that there's different things that people have seen,
whether it's praying manta style aliens or gray aliens or

(01:27:29):
Nordic human looking ones or ones that are taller like
giants nine ten feet tall. Like you hear all these
different stories, and if there are human looking aliens, it
makes you wonder if you know that's the creation origin
point of man. You always hear these ancient conversations and
these mythological books where there's a war in the heavens
and the losing team game here and populate the planet

(01:27:50):
altered DNA of man to do mining or do his work,
or bidding of some sort.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
You know, it's just you just wonder. It makes you think.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Also, if they look like us, could they have filtrated
in our government already? I'm just saying that's what the
government probably think.

Speaker 5 (01:28:04):
Right, Yeah, I don't know if we've ever even seen
what the aliens actually look like.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
I mean, they may be it may be like Avatar.
They might look more like octopoids or something.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
But they create you know, alien bodies that aren't so
different from us that we couldn't relate to them. I mean,
they all seem to be bipedal, to arms ahead and
a tour so but then, like you said, you have
all these different variations on that and maybe that's done

(01:28:38):
for our benefit and our comfort, or maybe there is
this pan spermia situation in the universe and we come
from a you know, a common line of DNA that
that is a definite possibility. A lot of people think
that in the Ark Cloud and the cometary halo, that

(01:28:58):
the stuff of life in DNA was put there sort
of in advance. And you know, whoever the main power
is out there, you call it whatever you want, God,
Aliens or whoever.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
That that that was, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
Is it a science project, their hobby or there What
they love to do is see intelligence pop up on
different planets and see what variations they get.

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
It sounds like a good hobby.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
Well, it kind of sounds like I was asking my
girl just a couple of days ago, do you think
aliens have thermostat wars in the UFO?

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Like, do they have common real life issues that we have?

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Did somebody forget to hit the cloaking button and they're
like damn it, Ronald and then he gets back to
his planet gets fired from his job.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
You know, do they have the same real life issues
we do? That's what I really want to know.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
If there are aliens, I want to I want to
know too. My guess is that there.

Speaker 5 (01:30:00):
You know, they seem to have emotions, they seem to
you know think, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
I know that telepathy.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
People have shared thoughts with them, and it seems like
they're speaking English, or at least in a way that
we can understand it. So there's that commonality. So I
don't know that they're all that different from us. I
think that, you know, they probably have freedom of will
like we do.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
I don't think you humanity is our first rodeo.

Speaker 5 (01:30:32):
I'll tell you that much. I have the feeling this
has happened multiple times and that we're just you know,
I don't think they're gods. I think that they're highly technological,
highly advanced, and maybe the whole thing is is that
they're hoping that we can be like that someday and

(01:30:54):
maybe we can join whatever is out there. Maybe there
is a star trek. They just want to make sure
we don't star wars. They really want trials.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Interesting you mentioned all of this the first thought I've
always had when it came to UFOs or aliens in general.
It kind of kind of stems where where we are
at right now in our medical industry with Christopher gene
editing synthetic biology, Right, So, why oncet you design a
biological form that didn't require a lot of food or

(01:31:24):
use you know, photosynthesis to survive these long distances and
create some kind of like biological synthetic biology drone to
come here and communicate, and the aliens that may be
coming here might not even be the species that are
they represent because of the fact that that those are
like more like human drones that were developed or created

(01:31:45):
to actually travel through space and explore versus we always
think like us as humans would go into space and
travel these distances. But why when we can create some
kind of synthetic biological form that could survive in space
right and to go there. And you start to think
on a more of that level that maybe these aliens
that we're dealing with or we see that people are

(01:32:06):
seeing aren't really the aliens at all. There's just the
drones sent here to communicate or observe.

Speaker 5 (01:32:14):
Now you're thinking, like me, that's that's definitely down my alley,
and I I kind of lean that direction, uh you know,
I I I wonder if you know, people wonder about
the bodies and the UFO crashes and and it doesn't
really make sense unless it's a approach and horse and areas.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
When that they're.

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
Again showing what temporary, uh temporary life forms that are
created for a job.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
And it's no big deal.

Speaker 5 (01:32:52):
When you know, if a computer dies you it's well
the computer died, you know, don't hold a funeral for
your your laptop, you know, and it could very well
be something similar to that or not. I don't know.
I have a big Mayby box. That's where most of
my stuff goes into. Uh, you have to keep an

(01:33:13):
open mind and not not clean to dogmatic.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
Right field, I think, yeah, I do as all creative thought.

Speaker 6 (01:33:26):
I definitely tend to lean more towards that as well.
That's always been one of the big things is like, well,
before I got into you know, researching government corruption and
you know, the all the various military industrial complex, the
you know whys that have led us into these these
fake wars, and you know all of this other stuff,

(01:33:47):
you know, like researching the paranormal and extraterrestrials. UFOs Area
fifty one has always been like my you know, Roswell specifically,
it has been like my bread and butter. That's why
I still contend today, Uh, you know dot A Raymond Schmidt,
That's probably one of my favorite guests because I was
like a kid in a candy store with that episode Une.

(01:34:08):
So I've the one thing about the whole Roswell crash
that has always stood out to me with the recovered bodies.
Is the idea that like, the only thing that really
makes sense is in the same line as what we
were just discussing, is that these sort of disposable, gene
manipulated life forms, because I would only think logically that

(01:34:31):
if it was you know, their people, that they would
want to recover the bodies. They wouldn't just be like, oh, damn,
our our craft went down and we lost a couple
of our guys, and now they're they're doing all these
experiments on them in a military base. But I guess
we're just going to wash our hands of it. Not
I'm pretty sure they'd be like, yeah, no, we're going
to go bust them out and bring them home. But

(01:34:51):
they are this disposable, you know, expendable sort of temporary
life form. It's like, oh, okay, well it's like a
busted comput So what who cares? Let them do all
the experiments. They won't. They're not going to find anything
out anyway Beyond that. The next and probably deepest rabbit

(01:35:12):
hole that I'd like to go down is the idea,
and Christan sort of mentioned it earlier, is of these
potential like interdimensionality when it comes to some of these beings,
and you know, the crossover of this subject with a
more spiritual aspect, and then we sort of get into
we're already in the realm of speculation, but then we

(01:35:34):
really go into the.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
World time travel.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Steve gibbson his hyperdimensional Resonator, you know, all that crazy
funny stuff that was around at one time. I think
Steve Gibbs passed a few years ago, but he was
well known as a guest on Coast to Coast da
AM as astro projector and time traveler making a time
travel machine. However, people that have been involved in certain
astral projection programs government, they swear by the HDR and

(01:35:58):
I don't know, I just thought it was interesting, just
the plug to do that's dead. That had some interesting claims. Now,
I'm not saying there's any substantiation of these claims other
than you put on this little magnetic oil and you
rub a plate with a crystal.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
In it, and you're supposed to be able to time travel.
But you know, interdimensional travel.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
It's interesting, especially when we start talking about the scientific method,
the string theory, different things being in two places at
the same time, being able to quantum computing, all these
subjects are fascinating, and I think obviously making anti gravity
using KK gravitons or mini black holes, there's all these possibilities, right,

(01:36:38):
and we know that there's something going on that portrays
anti gravity, that has the ability to travel at crazy
speeds and when it crashes, allegedly there's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Live bodies in it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
I don't know how you know these bodies survive and
how advanced these technologies are. But if there's so many
different types of ufosse I'm starting to think about it, right.
There's cigars shaped UFOs, there's t R three v's, there's
teleo sixes, there's tic TAC shaped UFOs. They have like
balls of lightning UFOs they have My father has seen

(01:37:10):
these plasma orbs and who knows if those are even
a natural phenomenon, but they are plasma balls that sit
in the sky and then they you know, they divide
and then they kind of fall down like rain, and
then they.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Divide again, and they's just interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Like there's all these different types of UFOs and uh,
you know, there's saucer UFOs, there's a spherical UFOs. So
there's a large variety of different types of product that
use a similar technology to get around, and they all
kind of behave very similar similarly, but yet they're very
different designs and their like, uh, the aesthetics of them

(01:37:47):
are very different too.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
We I as stylistic.

Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
Uh you know matters are those important to our visitors
as well. I mean, you know, you can buy a
Tesla or a Chevy or all cars don't look the same.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
So maybe not like you you know, but I guess
some got lights. But you know, I'm just saying, like,
it's pretty interesting the shapes.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
Some UFOs look like they were just like built by
some abstract artists. To Salvador Dolly decided to create a
space vehicle, and others seemed to come on, you know,
like they came off of a conveyor belt, you know,
the black triangles. They all kind of look the same.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
They have the same.

Speaker 6 (01:38:38):
Like vere frame.

Speaker 5 (01:38:41):
And who was showing off his new convertible to his
father on driving down Pacific Coast Highway with him and
one just went right over him, whoosh uh and I uh,
you know, out towards the ocean. And I asked him,
I said, well, how did that make you feel, Bob?
And he said, well, if you give me a bud
and a good team. I could whip one out for

(01:39:02):
you maybe in a year or so. And he thought
that it was probably you know that they were using
lighter than air technology.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
I don't think that's what they're using. I think it's
probably you know, the.

Speaker 5 (01:39:16):
Electromagnetic the byfield Brown effect or something similar. I mean,
we were working on that back in the nineteen forties.
But he felt like there was probably ours. He said, well,
they were probably taking some general around trying to impress
him and giving them a little tour on the way

(01:39:36):
out to their base or something. And you know, I
have a lot of people that see the black triangles
out here, and you know, aerospace engineer out near Plant
forty two in Palmdale, he put in a report. And
when I'm talking to I told him a little bit
about my mom, and he said, well, you think your

(01:39:58):
mom can get me on that project. I said, well,
maybe if she was still alive. But that was his
old attitude. He said, what I saw, you know, he
said it landed so light as a feather. He claimed
that it landed behind the gate the fence of Plant
forty two. And he didn't think that aliens would be

(01:40:20):
doing that that it was probably the military, so but
I don't know. I've you know, Terry Loveless, he's got
a story that kind of a harrowing one of alien
abduction and it was a black triangular craft.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
So it's confusing.

Speaker 5 (01:40:37):
David Marler and I have talked about it quite a bit.
He thinks they're alien. At one time I thought they
were all ours. Now I'm not sure. Maybe we've you know,
we're copying what we've seen that's not our own, kind
of like China does or Russia does with our aircraft.
You know, it seems like these other countries copys a

(01:41:00):
lot and come up with something very similar. I know
the Russians came up with a space shuttle it looked
almost identical to ours. Never produced it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
But maybe it's.

Speaker 5 (01:41:12):
Something similar that we're trying to imitate a technology that
we saw, or I don't know, maybe they handed the
blueprints over to us.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:41:22):
If there's a lot of stories out there. I guess
that's the main question I usually have is you know
what ten percent of what this person is telling me
is the true part?

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
You know, you know, you talk to a government agent.

Speaker 5 (01:41:38):
Or something, they'll usually throw in ten percent of the
truth and then you know, lie through their teeth the
other ninety percent, And I guess it's it's Greg Bishop,
my buddy Greg.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
He said, that's it's our job to figure out.

Speaker 5 (01:41:54):
What ten percent of that is true in reference to
like Richard Dody or somebody like that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
So, yeah, it's fascinating, and trying to figure out what
the truth is is very difficult, but I believe that
there's something definitely going out there. The triangle UFOs are
always fascinating. It's a very popular one. The TR three
B says they've been dubbed. There's a Google patent that's

(01:42:23):
out there for triangle triangular spacecraft that people have.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
Like put out there.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
It's US two thousand and six zero one four or
five zero one nine A one, which is a patent
that it has what looks like very similar to the
TR three B, the spacecraft having a triangular hub with
a vertical electrostatic line of charges on each corner that
produce a horizontal electric field parallel to the size of

(01:42:50):
the hall. This field interacting with the plane wave admitted
by the antennas on the side of the hull generate
it's a force per volume, combining both lift and propulsion,
claiming anti gravity.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Now, this is just a pattern.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
It's just interesting that they have a patent for the
exact type of aircraft that people are claiming to have seen,
just saying yeah, saying.

Speaker 4 (01:43:10):
This is exaction familiar.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
Doesn't it doesn't that look very familiar, guys. I don't know. Coincidence.
It could be a government aircraft. Probably is.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
You know, there was a whole Military Times dot com
article written about this new triangular UFO looking aircraft that
was flying around base with the anti gravity and there
was a video of it and somebody published it. I
thought it was satirical, but then I looked up the
website and it was legitimately allegedly a legitimate website. That's

(01:43:39):
where I was going with that, so I.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
Went over Paris, France.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
I think, yeah, I'm not quite sure.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
It was quite some time ago. This is in twenty
ten or twenty eleven. I actually used to blog for
a City Now, which is a segment of the journal
sentined Milwaukee's newspaper, and it was getting passed around on
the Military Times dot com I think it was that
was the website, and they had something about this being
seen above military bases, and anytime I see a collaboration

(01:44:06):
between military and UFO, I always try to think that
it's probably a military aircraft, not saying that it is,
because our military would also maybe chase some of these
things if they were in the sky and they could
identify them. But at the same time, I think that
they should or would be able to travel here, you know, basically,
you know, secretly.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
I think that they should have the.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
Technology to evade any kind of monitoring by our government
if they are UFOs and they have the ability to
travel like that, but who knows, maybe to have the
cloaking off, they need to be.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
On the radar per se. But I think it's interesting, man.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
I think the whole conversation is fascinating, And thank you
for sharing your story with us, especially about your mother
Betty going to you know, a secret underground military base.
A lot of people don't realize those are out there,
and there's a lot of other concerns when it comes
to this secretism of the deep underground military basis. Yeah,
military needs secretive places to do operations, but what kind

(01:45:03):
and why is our tax payer dollars paying for potentially
who knows, animal, human, hybrids. Who knows, automation, AI robots
that look human, synthetic biology. They could be doing all
sorts of things underground, you know, and we don't know.
They could be crossbreeding humans and animals. Who knows what
they're doing, But we do know that there's something interesting

(01:45:25):
going on in these deep underground military basis and UFOs
are being cited. So it's great to hear the testimony
of your mother being shared with us. I really appreciate
you sharing the subject with us. Is there anything else
that you'd like to leave us with on the UFO topic,
Because I'm a person who's done a lot of research

(01:45:46):
and I'm more of a scientific method type person when
it comes to the UFO, and I do believe that
there is a possibility that this planet was colonized. It's
way more mathematically sound that happened versus you know, evolution
per se. I think us being colonized and created like
we can much create designer babies in the near future

(01:46:07):
may have been the way they created us, or God
created us, per se. It's just now we're understanding it.
So UFOs Aliens, any final thoughts on the subject here, Earl,
I really appreciate you joining us today.

Speaker 5 (01:46:21):
It's my pleasure. Just keep looking up and if you
see something you know, go to mofon dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Move On dot com. Don do you have any last questions?

Speaker 6 (01:46:35):
Uh not at the present moment, you know, but I've enjoyed,
you know, the conversation very much so, and you know
it's it's always wonderful having anyone from move On On.
But of course you know early your wealth of knowledge
has been fantastic speaking with you, and hopefully we can

(01:46:56):
get you back again sometime.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Yeah, we definitely like to get back. Bill are awesome producer.
You know, he got you on and he's very well
linked in that organization a move On. I wish I
could have stuck around with move On. I really enjoyed
what my research and I put on a lot of
time studying in order to pass and do kind of

(01:47:19):
be a field investigator for you move On. And I
think it's a very valuable, valuable service move On offers
because they use a very scientific method to approve or
disprove UFO sidings, whether it's photographs or videos, amongst other things.
So thank you again for joining us Earl Gray Anderson
as our guests. Where can our listeners find out more

(01:47:39):
about you. Where can they contact you if they want
to get.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
A hold of you.

Speaker 5 (01:47:43):
If you want to get a hold of me, you
can find me on Facebook. It's just Earl Gray on Facebook.
You can find me on x is Earl gray Anderson.
You can find me on LinkedIn as Earl Gray Anderson.
You can see what A doing here locally on so
calmoofon dot com. That's our local website. And uh, you

(01:48:08):
know what the heck, I'll dos myself. If you really
want to get a hold of me, Uh, you can
email me at Earl gray Anderson at gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
And it's funny everybody has the Gmail these days, and
yeah they did when email first came out. Right, you
don't want to use it. That's government mail. That's what
Gmail for. No privacy. Now everyone uses it. Remember the
US stand on hotmail and uh free anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:48:37):
If they if the government wants something, they're gonna get it,
you know, I mean that's just.

Speaker 4 (01:48:41):
The way it is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
So, you know, it's so sad unless you're in the
UFO ting to change the thermostat that's what we've learned
from today's show.

Speaker 5 (01:48:49):
Yeah, or if you're an underground base, you might have
some privacy except for the guys that are running the base.

Speaker 7 (01:48:56):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
It's kind of weird, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
I kind of wonder what that's like, having your lunch
going with your lunch box to your the underground military
base every day and then having to come out of there.
Do they What kind of surveillance does government have on
former employees like that? I know back in the fifties
and sixties, it probably wasn't like it is now. They
probably tapped the phones, which is you would think it's
constant being and now it's a little bit more intense.

(01:49:18):
They know when you if you'd mention it at home
in the bathroom, was showering, they probably know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:24):
Yeah, yeah, I you know, I.

Speaker 5 (01:49:28):
Have friends that are you know, DoD and former you know,
AFOSI and stuff, and.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
They're all good people.

Speaker 5 (01:49:40):
And I think, you know, if I was saying more
than I was supposed to, or if I shared more
than I would, I think I would.

Speaker 4 (01:49:46):
Probably hear about it. I don't think that they would.

Speaker 5 (01:49:51):
Most of these guys are are friends and friendly with me,
so uh, there are good people that work for these organizations.

Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
My mom was one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:49:59):
Everybody loved her and her colleagues loved her the ones
I knew, and so you know, we tend to demonize
others sometimes if they work in the government organizations and stuff,
but they know they put their pants on one leg
at a time like we do, and people are people
or people.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Yeah, Earl gray Anderson thinks it's been a pleasure. We'll
we'll have to have you back on soon and thank
you for joining our broadcast, The Rundown Live. For those
who are just joining us to join us late, you
can find us on iHeartRadio, Spotify, speaker Live on kg
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Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
It's great to have you on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
For anyone else that wants to find out more, you
can send them an email Earl gray Anderson at gmail
dot com government mail.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
We all use them.

Speaker 1 (01:50:56):
We mentioned, and again, thank you, thank you very much,
and you will see you soon and hopefully I'll bump
into you at Contact in the Desert.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
I've been there the last couple of years. Hopefully when you're.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
I get to be a speaker, I can talk about
these I have some top secret documents that got put
in my hands and I try to talk to people
about it, but anyone that works in the government says,
I don't want to look at it because they don't
want to get fired. So you know, I really looked
at it, but they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Want to look at it. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:51:22):
Oh, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
Anyways, that being said, you guys, have a good night.
You're listening to The Rundown Live on kg A dB
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