Guest Stephen Bassett, Disclosure, UAP, Drones

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stuff that we talk about on this broadcast every day.
And you know, this weekend I was sending down all
these little videos and these little things.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I was giggling out like a little girl, like what
is rockwa?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
People?

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Like just the most ran them stuff you know, that's
going on in their world, and these things that people
look at and they believe in. And it's okay to
believe whatever you want. First of all, I support your
right to believe in whatever you want, but I want
to know why. Like, there's just some weird things that
people believe in. And like we had those video clips
we were playing of that Palladian girl who's like, the

(04:21):
fairies are gonna protect you and dragons are gonna put
rings of fire around you, and they believe these things.
And in the world with infinite possibilities and unlimited dimensions,
there must be one where fairies and dragons are real,
and Gandalf the Gray is protecting, you know, the good
old Lord of the Rings there, you know, making that reality,

(04:41):
and the Hobbits are there fighting in the evil heat
of Mordor. I don't know, don but you know, I
just had a giggle at some of these videos that
I've been sending you.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, man, people will believe all sorts of wacky, kooky stuff.
I mean, the Internet is just a litany for and
I definitely got to laugh out of a few of
those who said, well, there's.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
This one that I've been giggling out.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I don't know why, but for some reason they're advertising, well,
they're advertising star seeds. You can now get an app
and find out what kind of star seed you are.
Look at this dude, I'm not even lying. Like it's
a billion view market. A lot of people don't realize
how much advertising power there is. But star seeds get
like over a billion views. Not legit like nine to eleven,

(05:30):
you know, conspiracy stuff, not legitimate UFO sidings, not.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
It's this is like right up there with psychics. And
I'm not saying there aren't psychics. First of all, I'm
not saying that you can't believe that you're a star seed.
But now they have an app that you can get
where it scans your face. It tells you what kind
of star seed you are. Check Out this dude right here,
don This is this guy. He wants to see if
your star seed?

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Are you a star seed or an indigo child?

Speaker 6 (05:54):
I am a pleaadian my souls.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Wait wait, wait, First of all, this dude's pumping iron.
He's like, he's like, what kind of star seed am I?
He's like a buffery, you old, good looking dude, and
he's just sitting there. He's got the big dumbbell, the
big bar bell behind him. He's like lifting weights. He's
just thinking if I a Palladian? Am I a Reptilian?
What the hell am I?

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I eat it up?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
And you know, Mark D'Antonio says he's an indigo child,
which I had learn a little bit about this.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Keep in mind, I didn't come from the UFO community.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Although I'm a certified move on field investigator, I'm a
reporter and journalist, and I have a lot of interest
in UFOs. I gotta make a little fun and tease
about this stuff. Maybe they're are real Palladians. Maybe they're
like the spirits and transplants, and people believe those things.
And you can believe you're trans alien if you want,
I'm gonna say it. But this dude, once again, don
here he is For all the viewers out there, are.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
You a star seed or an indigo child?

Speaker 6 (06:47):
I am a Pleaadian. My soul's mission is to uplift
Earth's vibration and help humans awaken to higher consciousness. Which
star seed are you? Take test?

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Are you a star seed or an indigo child?

Speaker 6 (07:05):
I am a pad.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's gonna tell you.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's gonna tell you, no DNA test, none of that.
We're gonna just there's another app. This isn't the only app.
There's multiple apps, and they're popping up and they're like
scan your face. You know how long before we have
like a star Seed Snapchat filter?

Speaker 2 (07:23):
You know you can be like reptilian, you know.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
I mean it's it certainly wouldn't shock me that dog.
It's such a cringey grift and you know, I really
clicking it.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Are people like I want to know what kind of
star Seed I am? And they're making money off of this.
They gotta be why why else are there would they
be like, yeah, just take the test.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Help humans? And like the voice is creepy. It's like, Hi, DoD,
how are you. It's like you can call me for
a good time.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Galactic Federation, you know, like star Seed as mr. Is
that what you got on in your head phones when
you go to the gym, brother.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
To the star Seeds swinger party, Get dripped.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
I'm good on that.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Dress up in some cosmic outfit and get probe tonight.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Oh that reminds me done.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I put together this this crazy uh, this crazy commercial
I used to do a show which is coming back
with my buddy Joel MASKI Right. It used to be
called what the fuck is wrong with People? And we
just like asked these questions and it's okay, Like, first
of all, it's okay to believe you're Indigo child. You know,

(08:37):
I believe there's those possibilities star seeds. I think they're
just trans alien smart people who are not smart people,
beautiful people that might not be quite as witty, that
are just like I don't fit in. I must be transalien,
you know. I think that's more likely in most of
these cases. I'm not saying that it's not possible for
another spirit to you know, take over your body, as
I believe in exorcisms and all those other things. But

(09:00):
you know, I was sitting and I'm like, don you
remember that commercial we made this one man, don't forget.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
These shape shifters will.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Will no longer be blocking out your light worker and
path ability.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
The Vine feminines, divine masculines, no worries. We will sign
you up.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
Come do battle against the evil Reptilian energy vampire Damn Reptilians.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Join the Galactic Federation of Light so you can get
giggity giggity and.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
Google gun with your gorgeous significant twin flame, pick up
the hammer of Light. Then do that battle and get
rid of those reptiles once and for all those energy sucking,
sexual destructing.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Vampires they are. Ah who likes those reptilians anyways, damn reptilians.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I was I thinking, like why why that wasn't even
the beginning of it.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
That was like halfway through the cou and like we
used to make.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Some crazey commercials based on real news, and we just
I think that was when we were picking on Laura Fay.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
And nothing against Laura Fay.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
She's uh, you know, a uh you know, attractive female
who makes a lot of attention based on believing in
fairies and dragons and Palladians and reptilians and Commander Ashtar
and you know his glackt Con Federation of Right now,
I'm not saying that there is a Captain Ashtar somewhere

(10:28):
in the world or out there. And if you're out
there and you're listening right now, Commander Ashtar, I'm sorry
for making fun of you.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
But I'm making fun of you.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
So like I just can't believe now there's an app
to find out if I'm a star c Don.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, I mean it's basically just like one of those
Snapchat fields which which you know, Disney Star you are,
you know, something like that.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
But so this brings me to my next question, Don
if you bumped into an alien, do you think you know,
if you'd see him, if there was really aliens, And
I'm not saying there isn't. First of all, I believe
in this uniforse that's so large, it's so vast and
so wide range, that there's definitely probably more intelligent life
out there, and it could have very well colonized this planet.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
I just don't think it's coming.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Hear making star seed videos trying to capture people to
raise vibrations, you know, or that one dude who like
channels his alien dude and he comes in with a
different voice and he seems to know everything. I forgot
what his name is, and he for four hundred dollars.
You can have him Bashar or whatever his name is.
He's like in a channel Bashar and he for four

(11:36):
hundred dollars to help you improve your life, because you know,
the aliens wouldn't do it for free. They're in it
for profit, right, he's American currency as well, exactly.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
So I don't know, like if I were to encounter
some sort of extraterrestrial I mean, because you know, we've
had a lot of interesting conversations on this show. You know,
I remember when we had Michael J. Carter on and
we were talking about light beings. You know, obviously you know,
we've had Mark d Antonio, Richard Grove, Richard Dolan' sorry

(12:12):
I think of Richard Dolan, and you know, just so
many other interesting people here that have had experiences or
study this phenomenon. I don't know. I'm very much a
I have to have evidence to believe in something sort
of person which I for people that have followed this
broadcast or have followed my work personally, that might sound

(12:34):
a little odd because of course I'm, you know, that
guy who believes in the Norse gods and aliens. And
I don't necessarily believe in aliens. I think that they're possible,
but you know, I believe in ghosts and you know,
all witchcraft and all.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
That sort of stuff.

Speaker 8 (12:49):
But yes, I have.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
At the very least personal, evidenciary experiences as to why
I do believe in those things, But I've never seen
an alien, so I don't know. Maybe they look like us.
Maybe they're like David Iikes says they're ship shifting reptilians.
So it's just like, I don't know if I believe
him on that. I know he put out a book
like with all of his evidence, you know, purported evidence

(13:13):
as to why he believes that.

Speaker 8 (13:15):
I haven't read it. It's it's in my.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Long long list of books I need to pick up.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Maybe they look like us, maybe they look like something
completely different. Maybe they're light beings. Who knows your microphones needied?

Speaker 8 (13:30):
Brother?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
What if they were here all along, you know, like
they're sitting inside the deeper crevices of the ocean or
in the water. You know, there's UFO sightings all the time.
Most of them are probably government secret aircraft or some
kind of natural phenomenon that could be explained. With Mark
D'Antonio on last week, If you guys haven't checked out
that episode, make sure you guys do. By the way,
shout out to everyone on Rumble. I see people pouring

(13:55):
in on Rumble right now, But you know, I'm not
quite sure, do you guys believe in aliens. I'm kind
of curious if you guys, do we do have open
lines today? You give us a phone call one eight
five five four seven two fifty four eighty three if
you want to call in today and like, like, I
don't know, man UFOs are obvious. Could aliens be actually

(14:18):
visiting this planet? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Maybe if that was maybe that was our creator, right,
Maybe that's who came by and was like, hey, let's
create some human beings and uh, you know, colonize this
planet because it's got a great temperate for life, and
maybe we'll come back and take it from them, you know,
or why not? Do you think that aliens have the
same problems as Earth people? You know, so I can

(14:42):
find the right mate, they're like, can't find myself a
woman if I try.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
You know, I'm not sure because human beings are so
unique when it comes to a lot of things, especially
like you know, sociological behaviors and things of that nature.
If we look at the animal kingdom, for example, mating
doesn't seem to be much of an issue for pretty
much any other species. I mean, I know, like there's

(15:08):
your one off, but overwhelmingly it just seems like a
natural thing that happens as opposed to with humanity, we
have these weird ass, dumb ass social rituals where it's
I don't know, maybe it's you know, you can say
it's more advanced, maybe it's not. I don't know, but uh,
I'm not sure that if an advanced race of humans

(15:29):
or advanced race period excuse me, would have the technology
to be able to travel here and travel the stars
and all these sorts of other things and a cake
gravitons and you know whatnot, I'm not sure that they
would be burdened with a lot of the things that
we have to deal well.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
The ideal with the KK gravitons, which is interesting, is
that you create many black holes and it creates the
anti gravity because it eats the gravity and allows things
to just motionlessly float in space, which is a fascinating concept.
You know, Mark D'Antonio, a good friend of mine, we
had on the show, and I have been talking about
it for quite some time. And as I told you guys,

(16:06):
my first UFO conversation period was when I was giving
a presentation at the University of Milwaukee, Wisconsin on the
Effigy Mounds, which unearthed large human skeletons between seven and
twelve feet tall, and there was a person at the
I let my presentation at the end, she came up
to me. Her name was Chase Clutchkey and she was

(16:26):
at the time the head of move On, which I
later on became a certified field investigator for to be
able to understand, you know, what the process is and
you know, genuinely proving what is a real UFO and
what is not and what is It's hard to understand
a lot of these things are just airplanes.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
A lot of them are meteorites.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
A lot of them are you know, drones and unexplained
government aircraft. But there's a lot of people out there
that claim to see things that are interesting. My father
used to, you know, ride his motorcycle the Lake Superior
and Upper Peninsul, Michigan and what we just saw on
the screen there. He would see things like that similar
he say, for hours, there'd be appearing orbs and they

(17:04):
would split off and then they would kind of raid
and rain down and disappear, and then it would split
off of another orb. And I was like, my father
doesn't believe in shit, Like he isn't a conspiracy guy.
And always a hard working, blue collar, collar, tough, loved
ad and people see things they do and I think
it's really interesting and it's a conversation that has to
be made or had. And what's interesting is it's now

(17:27):
acceptable don to talk about UAPs. They want to, they
want to rebrand them as UAPs.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
But you know, it's the UFO concept and it's fine
to use the term UAP because that's what the mainstream
media wants to go with. But now it's not like
the crazy guy at the bar that's had too many
that's talking about being probed.

Speaker 7 (17:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
It's like, hey, the government has admitted to these UFOs.
Are they just government aircraft? Who knows? I believe in
majority almost all these things are either explained by government
secret you know ops or top secret ops, or some.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Kind of natural phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
I'm not saying that we're not being visited though, but
I do believe we have our guests joining us, and
it's a very big pleasure to be able to have
them on the show. Steven Bassett is an executive director
of the Paradigm Research Group, founded in nineteen ninety six
to end government and posed embargo on the truth behind
extraterrestrial related phenomenon. I want to say, welcome to the show,

(18:24):
Steven Bassett. Thank you so much for joining us, two
normal guys that have a successful podcast and reach you know,
one hundreds of thousands of people on social media. And
I'm glad that we can get a chance to talk
to you and that our good friend Bill hooked us
up and that we could have a conversation about disclosure
because it's something that I started researching probably about seven

(18:46):
or eight years ago, thanks to Chase Kletchke, who was
at a presentation I was giving at the University of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Welcome to the broadcast. Thank you very much. If for
the listeners out there who don't know who you are,
maybe dive in a little bit about your background and
how you got interested into UAPs and ufollows.

Speaker 8 (19:03):
ALM A political activists and my specialty is the disclosure
the process by which the United States government will ultimately
and the policy of refusing to acknowledge this issue to
the American people. This policy goes all the way back

(19:24):
to nineteen forty seven, maybe even sooner, and it's beyond
its shelf life. It was justified for a while, but
eventually it became serious problem, and it's continuing to be
a problem. And I jumped into this twenty eight years ago,
fully knowing what to expect, and it hasn't disappointed. So

(19:51):
it comes down to something quite simple. The United States
government has known that we have non human visitors going
back no earlier, I mean later than forty seven. But
more evidence is coming out, not surprisingly because of the
circumstances of the last couple of years about a possible

(20:12):
crash event forty four. There's also a possible craft we
might have gotten from out of Italy, and so even
before Roswell, it's possible that there was a limited number
of individuals in our government very tightly held that knew
something was going on. But remember we had a big
war to fight forty four to forty forty to forty
four forty five, and so they had it totally under control.

(20:36):
But when Roswell happened and they put out the press release,
that changed. And so now the idea that they have
this and they're not telling us very quickly starts to
develop took time. And there are two phenomena that are
dominant here three actually phenomena that are dominant. One they

(20:56):
are able. They have craft we call saucers, call them
what the hell you want. But these crafts are seen
a lot. They are filmed, they're photographed, they're seen, they're described,
and so forth. They are absolute physical craft that you
can enter and leave. And there are hundreds of thousands

(21:17):
of contact he reports confirming this. The second thing is
that they have the technology to manipulate whatever. And one
of the things they're able to manipulate, I will, just
for the simplicity's sake, say plasma. They have the way
to use plasma that we can only imagine, all right,
And so the other phenomena are what we'll call lights

(21:40):
or plasma balls or plasma in any form that is
being controlled. And the first awareness of this in the
public sector occurs during World War Two when foo fighters,
they were called foo fighters, which is French for fireballs.
They they were following our airplanes and Japanese airplanes and

(22:04):
German airplanes as they were pursuing whatever combat. They didn't
interfere with them, they didn't damage them, they didn't shoot
them down, but they were seeing and I'm pretty sure
that those foo fighters that we have heard about are
exactly the same thing that is now suddenly escalated in
the last few months. Been around, it's never gone away,

(22:26):
but in the last few months there was an extreme
escalation in the presence of these quote fireballs or plasma
effects multi many, many locations, but almost all of them
involving military bases and censutive facilities, both in the United
States and the UK and positives in other countries. So
we're not seeing saucers, we're seeing their ability to manipulate plasma.

(22:51):
The reason we're seeing drones is that the United States
government was in an impossible position to deal with this
this you know, this display, right it was you know, what,
are you going to call it fireworks? I don't think so.
They're going to call it flares. I don't think so.
What are they going to do? They're just no answer, uh,

(23:15):
And so they're they're in a very tough spot. And
what the government did was rather clever, but it ain't
going to work. Is that since these this phenomenon was
dominating over military facilities, bases and what have you, it
was very easy for them to launch some of our
more sophisticated drones up into the phenomena and we got
a lot of stuff. Believe me, we're not talking these

(23:38):
little things you buy on Amazon. Right with the little propellers,
They've got extremely advanced drong technology, which could possibly include
ganny gravitic tech, and so these are things that people
have never seen in many cases, and so they're launching
some of these up into the phenomena so that when
people are filming and looking, they're seeing these lights and

(23:58):
they're seeing formations whatever, but they're also seeing what are
pretty obviously drones, which allowed the government to say we
have a drone issue. We're dealing with drone swarms. Okay,
they can't say, we're dealing with drones that are ours
and a whole bunch of plasma effects that are not ours.
That's what they cannot say. And this has been going

(24:19):
on for several months, and it is fascinating to watch
it take place, and it is so stark and so
strong that I think is it represents an extraterrestrial escalation
of their impact on the truth embargo. I think they're
trying to wrap it up by putting the US government
in an impossible position at just the same time that

(24:40):
we're having a change of government, and of course there's
a great deal happening on the hill a lot moving
this thing forward. The press is covered with thousands of articles,
and so I'm thinking they're deciding, let's wrap this up
by putting the US government in position that it no
longer can squirm out of. So that is what I
I think you're saying, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
So question for you, give me a second, you're done,
A real quick question for you. So do you think
that you mentioned World War two roughly in there there's
a lot of food fighters. Do you think that that
inspired the Germans to invest in the Hanabu and Deglaca
and these German bell shaped and UFO shaped aircraft that
they were working on with rill technology, allegedly using mercury

(25:24):
and other things that had weird results, or do you
think that's something they were just doing on their own.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
What I think is that the evidence for the German
engagement of this phenomena craft and everything else is thin. Now.
I certainly would would would think that if the Germans

(25:51):
are seeing the food fighters and they're seeing these things
able to do what they do, the tip are extremely
interested in that, and it's not out of the question
that they may have had a crashed vehicle. They controlled
a great deal of territory during that war. And again
we you know, as Ryan Wood has presented in his

(26:12):
update of his Magic Eyes Only, which is the second edition,
he's up to one hundred and five crashes that have
some evidence up to including very powerful evidence. And so
if they got a crash vehicle, I'm sure they would
have done everything they can to try to figure it
out with nineteen forties science and technology. But the Germans

(26:36):
were formidable in those areas, and so I think there's
some effort there. There's some things that happened. But because
of the truth embargo, inability to resolve this issue, and
because of our overwhelming interest in Nazis, I mean, we're
just never going to get over the Nazis. That this
stuff has been turned into lore. It's just been accelerated, exasperated,

(26:58):
exaggerated in a lot of lore that's very interesting. It's
it's gotten some novels written, you know, anarchic basis and
all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, do Schwabenland and what was that they said that
what's his faith? Admiral Byrd went and found Nazi UFOs.
There's a lot of crazy things people believe without any
like Operation high Jump that you know, that we don't
really know what really happened other than people making kils,
you know, crazy claims. And I think a lot of
times that takes away from authentic research of the UFO

(27:29):
phenomenon and the idea that there are potentially other races
of aliens visiting us, because there's very why there's a
very wide variety of different types of UFOs and UFO sightings.
I could of believe there's there's got to be almost
one hundred different styles of UFOs that people have claimed
to see, from cigar shape to tic tac shape like

(27:50):
you mentioned, orbs, you know, all these different things.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
What is ours? What is theirs?

Speaker 4 (27:55):
You know?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
What is government top secret aircraft? And you know recreated
UFO technology. And a lot of times I believe what
our military captures is exactly that is that it's our
own military trying to see if they can use this
tech and how well they can use it, honor military
to verify that it works, you know. And that's why
a lot of these credible settings by the military are happening,

(28:16):
is that I think our government is tampering with maybe
some of this technology that they've procured.

Speaker 8 (28:22):
All I can say is we need to know about
all of it. Yeah, what they have learned, whether they
have craft and they have any anti gravitics, the history,
everything we need to know everything, the fact that that
you know, in the seventy seven years, so much public
effort has been put into this, so much research has
been done, so much has been chronicled, so many contact

(28:43):
these are coming forward that the truth embargo is it
makes less and less sense. It's becoming absurd, and so
the public knows way too much for this thing to
continue because it's just simply undermining confidence and government trust
and everything else. And it makes a government look like fools,
and it's just it's just untenable. So and I'm the

(29:04):
US government. The people that support the truth embargo would
be happy for the American people everybody else to just
speculate and theorize forever, right that whatever, have a ball,
have a fun, make it up. They don't care as
long as you're not pressing them to actually get you
the actual truth of this. But of course that is
now is what is happening in the last seven years

(29:25):
in particular, the pressure on the government is just escalated
and it's forcing them into increasingly impossible situations. Plus a
lot of progress has been made. And so once again,
do I think the Nazis may have gone down to Anarchica. Absolutely,
could they have possibly tried to set something up there
that might advance their war interests? Absolutely right. But I'm

(29:46):
afraid I'm not able to go beyond that because the
evidence simply is not substantial enough, and it's a distraction.
The Nazis are gone, all right. There are people that
think there's actually Nazi fleets of saucers that were being
seen and so forth, and I'm so sorry that's just
not the case. So this is just part of the

(30:07):
confusion and the malaise. But we're getting close to finally
breaking through on this, and what is happening right now
is definitely accelerating this. I don't think the US government
can tolerate this. Now. Let me give you an example.
We've had many UFO flaps over the seventy years. They

(30:30):
happen here, they happen there. Some get more attention than others.
But the researchers that are chronicling these, whether it's MUFON
or Newfork or whatever, they kind of know, Oh, there's
a lot of sidings happening during a period of time.
One of the most famous flaps occurred in nineteen fifty two,
in July, virtually exactly five years to the day that

(30:52):
the General Raimi said, no, it's a weather balloon, right,
And suddenly they've been plenty of sightings were taking place here,
there and everywhere. But suddenly quite a few of these
quote what we'll call we'll call food riders or plasma
effects started appearing all over Washington, d C. They were

(31:13):
flying over the Capitol, they were flying over the White House,
they were flying over DC. They went out for eight
or nine days, and there was nothing they could do.
Did they send up any planes to intercept now, did
they try to shoot it down? No? They just hunker
down and go, oh God, I wish this will go away.
And do I think there was a connection between that event,

(31:34):
that flap and et agenda. Absolutely, they knew that we
knew about them. No later than forty seven. We actually
put out a press release, and so they were aware
of this, and therein I think expecting that that's going
to develop quickly, that the President will finally confirm this.
And even though we didn't confirm it right away and

(31:56):
we said, well, no, it's a weather balloon that could
have easily just been a matter of buying time while
they decided how to address this extraordinary thing. But five
years go by and they're just they're not doing it,
they're not doing anything, and all of a sudden, boom,
they're all over Washington, DC. And that was fifty two
and then they went away, and so the government's problem

(32:18):
went away. However, the government knew they could come back
anytime they wanted to, and so they pulled together a
panel out of the CIA called the Robbers and Panel.
They came up with a report, all classified, to try
to assess what are we going to do? How can
we deal with this, because clearly we can't control what
these these visitors do or don't do. And so the
Robertson panel concluded famously and notably that the phenomenon appears

(32:44):
not to be a threat. They're not blowing things up,
they're not shooting things down. Not a threat. But the
public's increasing interest in it could be a problem, any threat,
and it recommended that we shut that down. In other words,
let's let's get the public out of this somehow whatever,
let's get that pushed them back, and thus began the
formal truth embargo that we're still under, and that was

(33:07):
fifty two. What's going on is hundreds of times more
intense than that, all right, that's where things are now,
not surprising, and so they sent a message to fifty two.
We just dug in even deeper. A lot of things
happened over the years, and then we've had these other flaps.
They shut missiles down in the sixties many times in

(33:29):
the US, also in the Siviet unions. So plenty has
been going on, and the interest in the public has grown,
and the research and everything else, and so they're monitoring that,
I would assume. But two things came together recently. One,
circumstances in the world have taken the risk of nuclear

(33:51):
war to another level. We are really dancing on the
edge of that, and we know it, and we acknowledge it.
Every day some other highlight person acknowledges, well, wait, this
is not good, right. And secondly, we're undergoing a very
significant political transformation, which is confounding. It's hard to know

(34:14):
where it's going to go, but it's taking us to
a different place than where all all of the other
governments previously have not been. Every president since Grosswell has
known has been told about the et presidents one way
or another. They may not have been given a tour
of of of our crash Vehicle Museum or or or

(34:35):
much access, but they were tipped off. I can assure
you only two presidents have made a significant effort to
try to go there. One was Carter and one was Clinton.
Both of them were shut down, okay, and somewhat harshly. Okay.
So that's that's been known, right, and by and large,

(34:57):
both parties have essentially conceded to this embargo, to this policy.
In other words, we can't go there. The risk are
too great, whatever their reasons, very conservative on this policy.
And then things started happening in the United States that
has led to political transformation, and now we're going into

(35:18):
a very different place. And so I don't think it
is an accident or it's simply a coincidence that at
the same time we are very close to nuclear war,
we are about to go into an administration that is
simply not like the rest of them, the ones going
back in the twentieth century. It is an administration that

(35:38):
is less tethered, It is less obsequious, it is less
willing to simply go along with the standard model. It's
like rogue. And so this administration that's about to take
over is not going to settle for what Carter and
Clinton settled for, which is go away. You don't have

(35:59):
a need to deal with this and leave us alone.
I don't think so. And so it seems to me
that the etes understand this and they are bringing the
hammer down. So they are now very much pushing this issue,
and based upon a lot of other things. I know,
I am putting my money down. I can't guarantee anything,

(36:19):
but I am putting my money down. We should likely
see disclosure within thirty to forty five days, maybe sixty
days of the new president's administration.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
So what do you think, ultimately, in your opinion, is
the end game with the ETS really trying to push
this and and sort of force the force the narrative
in a way or sort of you know, push this. Okay,
You know you guys have been embargoing and blockading this
information since you know, forty seven at you know, bare minimum.

(36:53):
You know, we've flown over a basis like Mailstrom and
shut off your nukes. You know, we did flight overs
of DC, all these sorts of things to get your attention.
Now we're pushing it ultimately because I do believe, I
absolutely concur that being the nuclear brinksmanship that has been
going over the past couple of years is absolutely, in
my opinion, a part of it scary. Yeah, And I'm

(37:17):
not sure exactly what that interest would be for an
extraterrestrial race to prevent us from destroying ourselves. I have
my own theories that perhaps you know, they were maybe
in the distant past involved in the sequencing of the
human genome or something, or you know, I just have,
you know, these wild hypotheses of my own. But ultimately,
what yeah, we ultimately, what do you believe the endgame

(37:38):
is to you know, the reason that they would intervene
so much to save us from ourselves?

Speaker 8 (37:44):
Well along the extra trestials know what their endgame is?
If the government has actually had formal or substantial communication
with them, obviously totally secret, maybe they have told our
government with the endgame is. But again, that's just one
more thing that's embargoed. So while we don't know, we
do have a lot of evidence to we have that

(38:04):
we can look at. There are plenty that we can
look at to try to formulate as best we can
an assessment of what their agenda might be. That evidence
comes from hundreds of thousands of contact he reports, as
well as events that have taken place that have been researched.
All right, it comes from well, obviously it comes from

(38:31):
the contact he reports and things that they've actually said.
He comes from the actions of the extraterrestrials, what they
do and what they choose not to do. Do they
shoot down airplanes, blow up ships?

Speaker 7 (38:41):
No?

Speaker 8 (38:43):
Do they put crop circles down? I mean a lot
of those crop circles are not ours, I assure you,
with some of them are that that's interesting, doesn't seem
to be too threatening.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
All right.

Speaker 8 (38:53):
But they also they will kill animals in order to
get certain tissues in blood that they need, which seems
maybe connected to the other. And so we know this.
We have kind of a picture. We know what they
look like. They've been painted and drawn by many contactees
who have those skills. And so the best answer I
can give without having any special information, I'm not channeling anything.

(39:18):
I'm not getting any psychic input. This is just a
forensic analysis. I believe the extraterrestrials view are extraordinary planet
as exceptional and important It is a life sustaining planet
with a huge history that has evolved with or without

(39:41):
their help, a fully sensient animal of tremendous capabilities that
has in fact actually taken its civilization into the Solar System. Right.
It is space faring, it has extraordinary technology, right, and
that as far as they're concerned, it's pretty significant thing.

(40:02):
And they may have had a role in it, right.
They may have very likely had a role in our history.
So they are connected to us, but it may be
bigger than that. I think that the ets that are
visiting us now actually have genetic connections to us, and
so it's like family, right, And so they do care

(40:25):
about where things are going, right, And the idea of
a massive nuclear exchange that is going to be very
destructive is not something that they want. If we had
a massive media coming at us like we had many
millions of years ago that just wipe the planet up,
I think they'd stop it. If they had the ability

(40:48):
and a Corona mass ejection was coming along that they
could predict and they and they realized the impact, they
might do something there. But those are acts of God,
as you know, as we say, all right, and so
they are intervening to see if they can assist us
in getting out of this mess that we put ourselves in.

(41:09):
And apparently there are limits to what they will do
or not do. They will shut missiles down, but then
we will purn them on, right, and they don't go
back and re shut them down. They go somewhere else
and do it somewhere else. To broaden the point, all right,
they don't melt them down. Okay, they don't intervene in

(41:29):
our wars, bin Mark. They observe a lot of evidence.
They keep turning up over battlefields and things like that.
They observe they don't intervene. All right, so we know that, okay,
we know that they give messages to contact these and
school children when they're out and playing in the schoolyards
in person, because they usually leave the craft and they
communicate telepathically. This has happened a number of times, believed

(41:52):
or not.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
Not.

Speaker 8 (41:53):
Everybody knows that I get it, but I do, and
so I think that that is very much what is
going on here. This nuclear war cannot happen, and they're
trying to intervene to help ensure that it doesn't. But
there are limits to what they will do. Okay. So
that's one thing. Okay, I believe they have a genetic

(42:13):
connection to us. I can talk about that more. And
that's another thing, all right. But there is another matter
which is almost never discussed, which I bring up all
the time, that may be the most logical connection that
you're looking for, and that is I like science. I

(42:35):
have a degree in physics. It's a worthless degree, I
assure you. But again I have that disposition. I will
pick up on that stuff I read, so I have
a sort of an understanding of where we are scientifically
without getting into the equations, and it doesn't you don't
have to do a lot of research to know that.
We are really really trying to figure out how they travel,

(42:58):
not just in our space but star to star, which
is where I think they come from. And there are
videos about this, their documentaries, there are books the idea
of superluminar travel, which simply means that you get from
one place to another in a lot shorter time than
if you're just traveling linear through space, which is incredibly difficult.

(43:21):
I think they have solved that, and I think we're
close to solving it, which is pretty pretty cool, but
not necessarily for them. And here is the problem that
we've posed to them. The moment that we actually figure out,
not how to travel in our airspace like they do
so fast, so quick, that would be cool, that's not

(43:41):
a threat to them, but the moment we can leave
this Solar System and go to another star. Given who
we are and where we are evolutionary wise, and the
just the nature of our behavior, We're going to take
nuclear weapons or whatever the hell we got, will take
antimatter weapons, will take anything we have. Load them on
that ship just to be sure. And so now they've

(44:03):
got this civilization that has just not got it together
yet able to travel around at will in the galaxy,
turning up god knows where, some poor planet. That's where
we were back and I don't know, the twelve hundreds
or something, and got what we blow something up, we
literally become a danger to any other place in the galaxy.

(44:26):
We may go. The moment we have that and we
are closing in on it. And so I think the
other major agenda they have is that, look, we're not
going to let you do that. You're not leaving the
Solar System with starships and nuclear weapons and stuff on,
not going to happen. We're not idiots, and so we're
going to have to intervene there, but we don't have
to yet. You don't have it yet. And so they're

(44:48):
going through kind of a process that leads to disclosure,
which would be the most appropriate way, then a full
acknowledgment of their presence by us at the authority already level,
which then allows us to really engage the issue as
a civilization and actually learn the real stuff, get out
of the miss and the nonsense and the bullshit, and

(45:10):
actually have a kind of a global understanding of what
has happened and what they are, what we have. At
which case, open contact becomes a pretty non threatening thing,
almost anticlimactic, that could be within two years, which is
what I give it, two years or less. I'm not
the only one talking this way. And so now they're
an open contact and then we can have a discussion, right,

(45:32):
let's talk, all right, let's communicate humans. Look, we're connected
to you. We go back here, we did this, we
did that, We've got genetic connection, tea and so forth.
And so you're like you a kid, okay, and this
nuclear shit has got to go okay because we don't
want you to destroy yourselves. And also you've got to

(45:55):
get rid of the nuclear stuff because we're never going
to allow you to travel where we travel and bring
those weapons. And so this all has to be resolved.
And it turns out it's happening on our watch, our time.
Well we're that lucky, Okay. So this matter right between
the human race where it currently is evolved to and
any other extraterrestrial species out there that cares about us

(46:17):
and has come in, showed up, whatever that has any
stake and where we go is coming to a head
right now as we live on this planet. And that
to me is the only explanation that makes any sense
based upon what we know and have heard and have
learned and the way they're conducting themselves. And that is

(46:37):
a very favorable outcome. It's an extraordinary outcome. And so
I'm looking ahead to a massive worldview change. I'm looking
to discussions with ets that lead to eliminating the nuclear
weapons once and for all. It doesn't mean that people
aren't going to ride some tanks around and shoot at
airplanes whatever, and I mean there'd be some some wars,

(46:58):
but it get rid of the nukes, and it's a
whole new walking. And then third, it probably leads to
the availability of our civilization with technology that is being
withheld from us by our own governments and theos sent
but by the ets, who are not going to share
that technology until we're in a different situation, until we

(47:19):
are in an open contact relationship, in which case God
knows what technology they could provide us to deal with
the mess that we've created, right, I mean, we trash
the planet, all right, We've killed hundreds of millions of people.
We spend untold trillions of dollars on how to screw
things up and how to destroy stuff, while people are

(47:41):
starving to death. They don't have a house, they don't
have food, they have clothing. I mean, we're really we're
acting very very badly. In any advanced civilization, it's obvious
to them. And so we could just be a couple
of years away from addressing those things, having that tech,
and seeing an entire new world of all. And the
only thing right now standing between us and that is

(48:05):
the United States government is absolutely still unable to simply
walk out to a press conference and say, you know,
we do have contact. They have been gauging us. We
have a lot of information, we know about it. We
have crash vehicles and so forth, and it's time that
you know this because you have a right to know,

(48:26):
you have a need to know. And we're deciding to
give up this arrogant thing, this thing that we can't
let go of, and give it to you. That is
the only thing standing right now between us and extraordinary possibilities,
other than the willingness of the extraterrestrials to literally close
it out right Independence day stuff, right, not one saucer

(48:50):
on the White House lawn, saucers landing all over the
United States. Right, They could do that when they've chosen
not to, which leaves it to us, which I think
is the it's supposed to be. That's how I interpret this.
I tend to see interested in the middle. I don't
get too radical.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
It's really interesting, you know, because one of the things
that I've really put a lot of thought into is
interdimensional travel. Plugging into the fifth dimension and traveling a
short space that equals a much larger space here. And
that's maybe why the spacecraft looks like they're flying at
such a fast speed, is because they're plugging in and
out of our dimension and reappearing in different areas. But

(49:27):
the thing is, we just don't really know all of this.
And one of the things I wanted to unpack that
you mentioned is technology being withheld by our government. Sure,
and what are some of the things that we have
evidence of that they're withholding, Because I've known that they've
they've procured and they provided some interesting metals, things that
are like metals that can be crumpled up, invented, then

(49:49):
they retake their form. Just interesting things that we can't explain.
And I know that our government and maybe private contractors
that are out there may be way more more advanced
than we're allowed to know, and that might be part
of what we're seeing in the skies at times.

Speaker 8 (50:06):
Yeah. Look, uh, I assure you we're way past metals.

Speaker 7 (50:11):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (50:12):
Plenty of individuals and different past careers and what have
you have come forward and made it clear that we
have the craft, we have the crash vehicles and and
and I'm sure we have spent unlimited funds on trying
to understand everything about them, every aspect of them, and

(50:34):
any tech that we could we could actually master, we
would do it. Whether any of that was provided out
into the public domain surreptitiously or otherwise, don't know. My
thinking is the default position is you know, it's ours.
You know, one day we'll we'll show it to you
when we feel like it, okay, And until then you're
on your own, right And so uh, I think the

(50:58):
consensus is I think that we we have any gravitted craft,
that we can fly a craft around the sky like
they do. Now, how many don't know the same level
of capability, don't know, but clearly beyond what is supposed
to be the limits of our capability, yes, all right,

(51:19):
and then there's probably other technologies that they have that
they may be using. Who knows. And here's another thing
that's scary. And I agree with some other people that
feel the same way, and I agree with them. One
of the very unacceptable motivations for maintaining the truth in

(51:39):
Bargo is that the military and intelligence community, which essentially
is where the truth in Barbo lives have viewed from
the beginning, naturally have viewed it from the beginning, is
what is the weaponization potential of all of us everything
we have, every single thing we have, every craft have

(52:00):
to every tech whatever, how can we weaponize it? And so,
and given the fact that there's probably crash. There have
been other crashes in other countries. It's assumed that there
is a extraterrestrial weaponization arms race kind of going on
in the back, in the back behind all this, which

(52:22):
we know far less about than we know about the
nuclear arms race, which they like to brag about. So
Russia will come up a hypersonic missile, and you know,
they figured that American spies know about it, so let's
just put it in the news and they do same thing.
But there's there may be another arms race going on again,
completely out of sight, and so what do you do?

(52:47):
What do you think about that? Right? So, because that's
what we do, We've been doing it for thousands of years.
We just can't stop it. We're addicted to war. We
just can't it. No matter how well things you're going.
Governments will weaponize stuff and they will build up a

(53:08):
force and if they feel like it, they're going to
go take over a country, they're going to do something.
We just we just it's like it's like a patent
said in the movie I Love War. There is nothing
like it right in the human experience. This is built
into us, It is ingrained in us, and we no
longer can can go there. We simply cannot allow this,

(53:34):
but yet we can't give it up. It's like a
heroin at it, right. They tried it, they go into rehab,
they come back, have another war. We go into rehab,
we come back, we have another war. And so something
has got to give here, and I believe that is
very much where it's very much part of the et
agenda as we as we know it.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Indeed, and you know, I've always been a very outspoken
anti war sort of and that's sort of where my
forte has lied for a long time, you know, speaking
the military industrial complex and things that and I've I've
written a couple of articles pertaining to, you know, how

(54:13):
these things sort of overlap with the UFO ua P phenomenon.
And so I'm really glad that you brought that aspect
up because one thing that I've noticed since about twenty
seventeen or so, really starting like right when this what
I refer to sort of like a limited hangout sort
of disclosure in the mainstream media as it were, you know,

(54:34):
with some of these you know, naval videos, whether they
be legitimate or not, in the way that I'm seeing
the mainstream media in the context of them being an
asset for the military Industrial complex intelligence apparatus of course
CIA having their claws and mainstream media since you know,
the fifties and things of that nature, that I'm seeing

(54:54):
them craft or attempt to craft a narrative with their
version of disclosure in a way that is favorable to
the military industrial complex, you know, we hear it in Congress,
or are they a threat to national security? What kind
of weapons do they have in ways that could potentially
be used to twist the legitimate disclosure that we absolutely

(55:20):
need into a way that fits a colonial, imperial military
industrial intelligence complex sort of agenda. And ultimately, of course,
I don't think that's going to fly, you know, especially
in the context of this conversation with you know, with
the ETS getting to the point where they're like, okay,
look y'all got to cut this out. But I'm seeing

(55:41):
sort of that that's how the military industrial complex, intelligence
community and their media assets are trying to frame, uh,
you know, this sort of slow drip, limited hangout what
I refer to essentially as a disclosure syop and the
mainstream media in a way. And I just wanted to
get your thoughts on that. You concur disgree read part
half and half. You know where do you stand on that?

Speaker 8 (56:02):
Yeah, I'm more conservative there as someone who is. My
website is Paradigm Researchgroup dot org. Most people know that
I'm now a nonprofit, so I've been I've actually been
receiving tax deductible donations, thank god. And I need a
lot more. But one of my major projects is I've
been archiving news articles on this since two thousand and six.

(56:25):
And so while it's it's difficult, it's hard to get
links to articles going way back, you know, toward the
forties and fifties, but starting in two thousand and six,
going four, I'm not the sixteen thousand articles. So I've
linked to sixteen thousand articles. If you go to my website,
oh can I do? I might be able to do this?

Speaker 6 (56:43):
Can I?

Speaker 7 (56:43):
No?

Speaker 8 (56:43):
I can't. If you go to projects, you know, if
you hover over projects, go down to ongoing slide over,
come on down to print media archive right there a
little lower right there. Okay, and now scroll scroll up
just a little bit. Now hit the the path through
link there right there right there, pit that baby, and

(57:06):
this is the it should bring up the the premier
archive behind it. Did you click it? Give it ah
another shot? It should work there, you go, Okay, Now
what you see there is most these are individual years.

(57:26):
And as you see, you go back to forty seven,
there aren't that many articles that I could link to,
though I actually did some trans transcribing. But as you
get up start right around two thousand and seven, right,
it takes off. So the total number of articles that
are linked there. These are real journalists articles. They're not trivial,

(57:49):
they're not silly, they're not just side newsletters or stuff.
These are journalism. Sixteen thousand. I've read them all, and
I can say to you that there is not I
do not see an agenda here in that sense. I
do not see the US government manipulating the media in
a sense to create a narrative. They've covered everything, you

(58:12):
name it, they've covered it all, right, what But there
is there is a relationship here that I believe will
ultimately be known. Is that the media, early on, being
the early days, that the major newspapers, the major the

(58:34):
three television networks and so forth, sort of made a
decision that essentially is carried forward. It's like it's like
a template, right that just keeps being used as you
get more media as we go forward further and further.
And the decision that they made was a compromise because
they were aware and the government informed them that we're

(58:57):
entering into a nuclear arms race, a mortal enemy. It's
going to get awful, and if a war starts, it's
over right. Everything that you hold deer is gone. And
there were movies coming out early on, like On the
Beach and so forth. I mean, it's been heavily covered
in film and fiction and books and everything else. They
understood that, and they realized that they needed to They

(59:21):
did not want to interfere too much with the government's
decisions about how to handle this information. On the other hand,
this is a country with a with a First Amendment
and free press, and so the idea that they could
just what be in their back pocket, no, And so
the decision they made was we're going to write about this.

(59:42):
We're going to cover what happens, right, but there's a
conference or somebody comes out or something, this an event, sightings,
all this, we're going to cover it as news, all right,
But what we are not going to do is investigated.
And so most people understand that there's journal there's and
journalism comes in straight news and opinion, all right, and

(01:00:06):
journalism those are the two fundamental things that are involved
in opinion and news, okay, But in the news genre
that is actually two kinds of news or two kinds
of journalism simply covering it and investigating it. And there
is a big difference, and a lot of people don't

(01:00:27):
understand how important investigative journalism is. Okay, showing up at
the at the LA fires, walking around, interviewing people, showing
what's happening, reporting what the government's doing, what the city
is doing, statements and so forth, and just letting people
know and see what has happened here because we really

(01:00:49):
want to know. That is projecting the news. That's covering
the news, investigating, sending people out to dig and find
and try to get stuff that is not being put forward.
It's not about covering something so much as finding out
what's going on, uncovering illegal activities, uncovering abusive power, and

(01:01:11):
spending lots of money to do that. In the classic
case of our time, of course, is the pent is
the President's men, right, and the investigative journalism of Woodward
and Bernstein. But believe me, there's plenty of other investigative journalists,
some of them are legends, and it is a very
tough thing to do. It is brutal, it is dangerous,

(01:01:33):
and it costs money. So again, it was an easy
decision for the media in this country to make the decision. Look,
the government does not want us to dig on this.
We're tampering with the primal forces. We're tampering with national
security matters. But we have to cover it, and said
they've covered it, but they've never gone Woodward and Bernstein

(01:01:55):
on it. Right, sy Hirst I approached him once and
asked him if you want to cover He said, no,
I can't go, and so forth. That's what they've done.
That's the compromise that they made. Now that is changing, too, right,
because increasingly you're starting to see independent journalism turning up
that's going investigation, not not heavily funded investigation, but they're

(01:02:17):
leaning that way. Website's like UH the war Zone, which
is part of the drive the debrief UH and so forth.
They're getting much more investigative, but they don't have a
lot of resources. Okay, the New York Times is not
going there. The New York Times literally had to have

(01:02:38):
those stories about the use of the ASoP and and
the and the tic TAC and the events of that time,
and Read's effort to get the program literally delivered to
them on a silver platter, literally walked in the door.
All they had to do is vet it and they
published it. Do you think they would have sent out people.
I'm sure there were people in New York Times that
knew that Reid was up to something. Do you think

(01:02:59):
they'd said somebody to track that down. No, they didn't
do it. So that is the nature of the relationship.
But it's changing, and I assure you there is a
tipping point here coming when the major journalists in this country,
journalism outlets are going to realize it it's time to
go full bore into this. And then there's pulletzer prizes

(01:03:22):
literally hanging low on the trees to pick up as
they really start to go after what the hell happened here?
Who did what? And when? Who's by the truth in Bargo?
Why did that happen? Why did this happen? And when
are they going to get the information out? And all
of this? And they're going to go investigation and that
I think the truth in Bargo will probably be ended

(01:03:43):
before that. Most of this will happen in the post
disclosure world when all bets are off, the stigma's completely gone.
And yeah, the government knows that, they know that the
journalists who love to get Pulletzer prizes and love to
have eyeballs watching their stuff. After disclosure comes, they're going
to start going investigation on everything that they think they
got to handle it everything, And it's going to be

(01:04:04):
it's gonna be great. It's going to be era of
unbelievable journalism. It's going to make it even more exciting.
But that's how I view this. Uh And and because
of the truth embargo, it opens the door for all
kinds of interpretations and speculations and accusations because we're angry
and we're frustrated. Why does the New York Times do that?
Why doesn't the Washington Post do that? Well, they're you know,

(01:04:24):
they're they're they're they're literally carrying the water for the
Department of Defense. They're having secret meetings, they're planning all
the whole drip drip. It's government's too complicated. It's never
that simple. But we we strive for simple explanations absent
a proper truth process.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
And it's one of those things that even you can
do at home as uh. As we're listening to Steven
here about this conversation of disclosure, we actually have the
Library of Congress up and I'm pulling up old newspaper
articles from the forties and fifties and sixties where people
are talking about these things. You can literally go to
the Library of Congress and you can find some amazing
and interesting stories that have made the newspapers that people

(01:05:02):
have forgotten about. And I've used this quite a bit
in history to just research different things throughout history, and
it's it's like that's the difference. You know, research is searching. Again,
that doesn't mean you're the guy that discovered it, but
sometimes the stuff is lost and it's a lot of
information and evidence and a whole different lifetime of research
that sometimes gets lost in the shuffle, you know, and

(01:05:24):
it's interesting to get into.

Speaker 8 (01:05:25):
Hopefully not. I mean it's it's on record. Of course,
as we move toward the president, everything is archived in
a sense. But very good point. Look, this is an
example of if I had the funds, because it would
be this would not be easy. But if I had
the funds, I could farm some stuff out. I could
go into that and and start adding you know, in
other words, I'm selecting the stuff that is appropriate. Makes sense.

(01:05:47):
I could start adding links to those articles in my
print media archive. So and and because i'm triage, you're
curating it. You don't have to go through everything you're
gonna get. You're gonna get the stuff that is appropriate
for this issue and the history of the embargo. And
I could probably add hundreds and hundreds of hundreds, maybe
thousands of blanks. But you know, this is you know this,
this takes time and money, and I don't have that

(01:06:07):
right now. But that is one of many projects that
that are potentially possible for PRG to do. And since
I've already got you know, I've been doing it for
so many years, it would be kind of cool. And
I'd love to get those articles more prominently, uh promoted
right and curated so people can and it's linear, you know,
I put them in linear, so you're literally moving forward
in time watching the coverage of this right up until

(01:06:30):
the present day. I'm very fond of that project.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Actually, Yeah, it's always great to bring all the information
and bring its relevance in that it's a lot of
the things we're talking about aren't new. They've been going on.
It's been going on for almost one hundred years, if
not longer.

Speaker 8 (01:06:44):
Yeah, you know, I know. It's always fun to see
some new to some new podcaster or some superstar or
whatever suddenly jump into this issue, right, and and you
quickly realize that it's almost like they they they think
like it has discovered it, right, and this is happening
in a wow and every let's get on this. And they
have no idea of the real history of this and

(01:07:06):
how deep it is. And I get that. I mean,
seventy five years, seventy seven years, seventy eight years now,
and that's the whole lifetime. Interestingly enough, it actually mirrors
my lifetime. I was born six months after the Hiroshima
bomb and six months just before the roswell took place,
right in the middle, right, and that's where I was born.

(01:07:27):
So and I didn't know it, but for the next
forty nine years my existence exactly paralleled the nuclear arms
race and the extraterrestrial modern era, right just literally and
not having any real sense of it. And forty nine
years later, and when I'm at the age of forty nine,

(01:07:50):
I got into this finally, thank god, and very quickly
started to realize that the two things that have been
following me down through time were interconnected, right, the nuclear
arms race and the et presence. That's that's not a coincidence.
They are interconnected. And then that just made things even cooler, right,

(01:08:11):
I mean, wow, I mean that is big. So it's
like seventy eight yes, a long time, and so like, yeah,
I don't expect some twenty year old podcaster with you know,
a million followers to know about that stuff. So they're
they're approaching it like it's new and it's just happening,
and that's okay, perfectly fun as long as eventually the
people that create this vast amount of research, this is

(01:08:33):
like one tenth of one tenth of one tenth percent
of the books that have been written about this, that
they that they finally they do get reviewed and they
do get brought into play and taught and so forth,
because it's enormous amount of work that will will never
be fully i think appreciated.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
So a couple of questions for you, Steven will we
got you here. So we had Mark Antonio on last week,
and he had one of those missing time scenarios when
he was younger. And I've heard other stories of people
being let's say, abducted or loss of time. What would
be the whole purpose of that. Also, the other question

(01:09:17):
is is do you believe that there's multiple different species
of different extraterrestrials visiting this planet, because obviously there's different
types of UFOs, there might be different types of extraterrestrials.

Speaker 8 (01:09:31):
Absolutely, there are multiple species, okay, which had probably varying technology.
They're clearly able to operate together, so apparently they get along.
That's nice, okay. And as far as the contact issue,

(01:09:52):
I'm not suy about talking about it, but I acknowledge
that I don't. That is not part of my activist work.
I mean, at least, you know, the fundamental disclosure activist work,
because getting the politicians to do what they needed to do,

(01:10:13):
getting scientists to get into this my John mac did
a long time ago. Contact is just tough. It's a
bridge too far. So the technology and the phenomena, the
basic phenomenon and so forth, and it's implications that is
a much safer play for them. They can go there

(01:10:34):
without getting slammed with the ridicule and the stigma that
the government went to great lengths to create. Okay, they
poison the well, all right, But the national security issue
about the president of this tech is a very appropriate
thing for journalists and scientists and so forth to deal with,
and so we have had to keep it there. And

(01:10:55):
so we haven't been going into the up on the hill,
and a lot of peop people are going up on
the hill and witnesses are coming up there, and we're
not going up there fronting the contact events because it's
just it's too much. Now, let me be clear, as
soon as disclosure takes place, I assure you the contact
phenomena is good. It's just going to be swooping in, right.

(01:11:19):
I mean, it's the most interesting, probably the most important
aspect of it. And so contact these are going to
have no lack of interest and attention. But first we
have to get disclosure, all right. And so the we
know a lot about that, and it resides in the accounts.

(01:11:41):
They're written accounts by mostly email and letters that have
been sent to the researchers because as the phenomena became
it kind of excluded onto the scene in the seventies
eighties and just started happening very fast because of the
work of very important people that wrote extraordinary books like Whitley, Straeber,
Hopkins and so forth. Finally this thing took off. It

(01:12:03):
became a thing, all right. And what we learned pretty
quickly is that as it became more known, people who
had memories that they had dismissed started to re examining them,
and suddenly people are remembering things and what have you.
And I think we quickly learned that the number of

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people that have had contact is large, but they kept
it to themselves or they didn't have enough to really
grab onto about one way or the other. They were
in the closet lots. How many, I don't know. I
think it's in the millions. It could be two, five, ten,
fifteen million, don't know, many of which have passed. But

(01:12:45):
still the number of contact these going back seventy years,
god knows, could be in the millions. But we know
hundreds of thousands of them have taken the time to
write to the researchers. And what they're doing is they're
not looking for fame or money or anything that they
just by writing up their story and sending it to
Bud Hopkins or Whitley or Ann or whatever. It's like, Okay,

(01:13:11):
I can't tell my friends this, I can't tell the
public this, but I can tell you. I want you
to know my story. I had contact, I had missing time.
Hundreds of thousands of these and if the money was there,
this needs to be massively curated and appropriately responsibly. But

(01:13:34):
the money's not there to review hundreds and hundreds of
thousands of these reports, amalgamate them and go through them,
and this is not there. Because one of the great
successes of the Truth of Bargo is to discourage huge
numbers of very wealthy people to not touch it. Right,
Even philanthropists who love to give money to good causes
that can great change, they can't touch it because it's

(01:13:58):
been stigmatized. It's been intellectually, uh what I call intellectually
ghetto wise. And so they just kept the money out.
They kept they kept the scientists out. But that's starting
to change too. So but I know enough about this
content to be able to have what I consider a

(01:14:18):
relatively reasonable assessment, which, of course I can approve. It
is my assessment, but I'm not alone, all right, One
they have a very significant need that involves genetics and humans, right,
and in servicing that need, they need to take people

(01:14:40):
and they also need materials that they get from animals
as part of that. They're connected. It's not like, oh, gee,
let's let's go mutilate an animal right now. No, No,
it's connected. And so that is a very significant thing.
And it is a huge project, which who knows how
long it's been going on on.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
No idea, but I've read apologize, I've ridden in some old.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Government top secret documents that were being floated around that
they allegedly need human blood to survive, and that animal
blood is temporary solution, but in the end, it's something
in our DNA that's required in order for them to
survive in space. And I don't know if that's accurate
at all, but it was the government document that was
circulated for a while. But it was interesting, you know,

(01:15:29):
I don't know if that's what you are referring to
or not, or if that's accurate at all.

Speaker 8 (01:15:33):
Not exactly. I look, all kinds of getting exist circulated,
right they're talking about the truth embargo is like, all
you do is got to circulate stuff, and you can
create all kinds of mayhem.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Right right, right, limited hangouts misinformation.

Speaker 8 (01:15:44):
Yeah, yeah, shut that out if you want to kind
of stay in the middle of the fairway. Otherwise you're
off in the woods behind a tree, you know, and
there's no chance you're going to part the whole. So
they I assure you that these advanced species are not
coming to the earth because they need our blood. Right,

(01:16:05):
there's no other solution for their problem. They got to
have human blood. I really don't think. So. However, we
know what they're doing with humans, and they're doing a
lot all right, genetic work of various types, and of
course the hybridization program. You know, I will say this
to you, I won't say it to a member of
the Hill. But on the other hand, I'm not going

(01:16:26):
to ignore it. I refuse to just simply totally stand down.
That's an insult to these people. And it'll come out.
It'll all come out post disclosure. But the genetic work
is pretty significant, and there's a lot of ways that
you could see why they might need some of this tissue.
And it's interesting that so much of it comes from cows,

(01:16:47):
because if you study the biology of cows, you find
that there's substantial similarities between cows and humans and the
blood and so forth, so whatever. But there is a
very significant program going that is happening, and that's kind
of their thing. There may be a benefit for us,
it's very possible, right, And there's a lot of theories

(01:17:08):
about how that could be and that would not be unusual.
And then there's the political engagement. I call it political engagement, right,
But when you shut down nuclear missiles affecting the national
security status of a nation, that is a political act
which could be considered an act of war, which will

(01:17:29):
be a political act right too as well, But we
don't view it that way, and we haven't viewed it
as an act of war. But they are engaging us
on a societyal political level, and they're also gauges on
a scientific level. I believe the political stuff is mostly
to help us. I suspect that the contact work is

(01:17:50):
very much about helping them. But it may be both, right,
But I tell you this, we know enough to know
there's some pretty cool agendas going on, and we want
to know them. We want to know everything about them.
There's just no reason why that should be withheld any longer.
Right now, Again, the ETS always have the ability to

(01:18:13):
clarify these things. If they want to, they could do
all kinds of things would suddenly bring it out, but
they choose not to. Uh, And I can imagine why
they choose not to, right so, and until they are
willing to go that far, it's up to us to
do it, and we should do it. We should have,
we should have long ago. And so that's that's how

(01:18:35):
I view these activities. And and I I tend to
keep it pretty basic. I just don't want to wander
off into the exaggerated theories. Uh that sometimes they're concoct
out of whole cloth. Sometimes they're based on a document
that's got released, okay, or whatever. I mean. I get that.

(01:18:56):
It's cool. We are very smart. We are unbelievably clever
when it comes to creating fiction. We we've created a
massive arena of science fiction which is mind boggling. It's
almost nothing that our imagination can't come up with. And
a lot of people think, well, anything we can come
up with, it could happen. No, No, that's not true.

(01:19:16):
We can imagine stuff. There's no way in hell it
could happen. And so we're great at that. And so
I get it, and so it's not surprising that absent
the truth from the public, from the from the government,
that we have built a almost a whole nother world
around it, you know, to try to encompass it and
understand and explain some of it just for the hell

(01:19:37):
of it, because it's enjoyable. And so most of the
people in this world who are aware of the of
this ET thing, right ufoz ets what are aliens? Are
aware of it not because they read Richard Dolan right
or know who Kio is. They know from science fiction

(01:19:58):
movies that have been produced. I think they're up to
six hundred science fiction movies that have ets in them,
and then hundreds and hundreds of more that don't have ets,
but it's science fiction. But from science fiction movies with
ets and them that have gone around the world been
seen billions of times. That is where most of the
human race has learned about this ET thing from our

(01:20:20):
great science fiction. So you can appreciate that as they're
trying to deal with the truth. As we talk, you know,
fin agoing forward that it's a little confused, I get,
and so somebody mentions interdimensionality boom, They're right there, right,
because they've seen some movies that have interdimension stuff. Okay,
and what you mentioned mentioned time time travel. They're right

(01:20:42):
there because they've seen lots of science fiction movies with
time travel, right. And I'm not criticizing. I'm thinking I
better that they're engaged in looking at it and trying
to think about it, then just ignore me. But the
truth embargo, combined with the massive amount of science fiction
that has been created, has made the situation in terms

(01:21:04):
of being coherent and moving forward that much more difficult.
And blame for that all goes to the US government.
It doesn't go to the American people.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Yeah, it's very fascinating conversation. And I wouldn't doubt that
some of these aliens look just like us, you know,
and maybe that's where our you know, whole culture came from.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
That this planet was seated.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
I always felt that was way more mathematicallydically likely that
this planet was colonized rather than a coming from rain
on the rocks for billions or millions of years. But
you know, that's a whole other question. You know, what
do they look like? What are the different types? I
know there's books written on it, there's people who have
different thoughts that there's a Galactic Federation in light and

(01:21:48):
like you said, there's like all these different science fiction
low and people want to believe. It's one of those
things that people really want proof of.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
I want proof.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
I can't trust myself sometimes because of the fact that
I want to believe so badly that I have to
hold rein it in and be like, listen, there's natural
explanations for a lot of these things people are seeing.
And yes, there are real UFO sightings, and yes, people
do have real experiences that they can't explain. Yes, people
find implants in their body and like you mentioned, orization

(01:22:16):
going on implants.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
That's one of the things.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
That really sold me is that people are finding things
being implanted in their body after claiming they have these
types of episodes.

Speaker 8 (01:22:27):
Look, I can riff on, let me riffle on. That's
one of my favorite riffs. But let me first say that, Look,
there are plenty of people that want to believe. There's
nothing wrong with that. It's cool. It is not a
luxury for an indulgence that an activist can have or
really a researcher. You want to know, you want to
be convinced or and then if you are convinced, you

(01:22:50):
then want to take action. Right, and so the word
believe in general, I just try to stay away from.
I just don't go there. Right, You don't believe than
quantum mechanics. You are convinced by the science and the
mathematics of its validity, right and so, And belief is
also attached to religion this overall, but believe is a

(01:23:10):
term the government shoved out all the time. You know,
they just shove it out, right, you know, you're a believer.
You're a believer. That that was part of the really
cool process and all that little stuff games they played
very effective. Okay, but no, no, I don't want to believe.
I am already convinced beyond any reasonable doubt. So that's
helpful and I can go forward from there. But again,

(01:23:30):
you've got to stay as close to Okham's razor as
you can. Now, let's talk about the et types, which
is one of my favorite riffs. The human The human
mind is pretty powerful and it's amazing what it can do.
But even with the human minds, you know, capabilities, it's

(01:23:54):
just very difficult to grasp the concept of thirteen billion years.
It's it's just that's tough. I mean, you you can
say it, right, you can imagine, well that's a long
long time, right, and that's fine. You sort of know that, right,

(01:24:15):
So it's very very old. But to grasp the idea
of what can happen, what can take place when you're
talking about thirteen billion years, all right, it's just out
of our And then it's very difficult to crast the
idea that we have between two hundred and two hundred

(01:24:39):
and four hundred billion stars in our one modestly sized galaxy,
and the number of galaxies in the known universe can
be between two one hundred and five hundred million billion galaxies.
But this is a number that is so staggering. So
in comprehension, you just you can know it, you can
say it, but to kind of understand the implications of it,

(01:25:02):
it's just too much. I try. I have some success,
all right. So along those lines, I have no trouble
with the idea that planetary formation around stars and the
combinations of chemicals and heat and light and everything else,
plus the presence of water, that over enough time, say

(01:25:28):
three or four billion years, it's possible for organic life
of some kind, life replicating things that can replicate, so
for it can come about. And some people challenge that,
and I understand that because they've been trying to for
a long time to see if they can replicate the

(01:25:50):
primal soup or whatever that life emerged in this planet
from essentially non inanimate stuff. There was, non living stuff
just suddenly become you got life, right, They try to
do it. They've had some success, but they're not there yet,
and so it's tough. And so a lot of people
will say, look the odds of life forming out of
just chemicals, right, and molecules but not living molecules and

(01:26:15):
become self replicating things that have turned into what we
see today. I just I don't see it happening, okay,
and I can appreciate that. However, here's where it gets interesting.
In order to have life on Earth, we don't have.
It doesn't have to start here, right, So what are
the if the odds of life developing in a given

(01:26:39):
the right circumstance, the right elements, and so forth. Say
the odds are two billion to one, which is even
worse than the lottery. Okay, it's two billion to one.
But you have a universe this, you have a galaxy
this huge with two hundred billion stars, and probably a
trillion of planets. Okay, it only has to develop on

(01:27:02):
one of them, though it could be two or five
or six I'm just saying, but technically theory only has
to develop on one of them. And so two billion
to one. It's like buying It's like buying one hundred
and sixty million lottery tickets. You buy one hundred and
sixty million lottery tickets, you're gonna win the damn thing, right,
it's a good chance you're gonna win if you buy one.
And so you've got all of these opportunities for life

(01:27:22):
to develop. And so life develops on one of these
planets in the Milky Way galaxy, and it's we know,
things crash into each other, and stuff was happening all
the time, and so something crashes into this one planet
that it develops some fine life against all odds, and
the stuff spreads, which we know what can do, and
so aspects even a little bit of that life gets

(01:27:45):
on a you know, an object or a media rite, whatever,
and before you know it, it hooks up and crashes
into another planet and brings the life right there into
the end of their non non living ocean. Okay, And
and and then it happens over here, and it happens
over there, and we say, well, yeah, still, but you know,
how does that really lead us anywhere? Because time time.

(01:28:10):
So let's say two billion years into the milky ways
existence life on one planet right actually got its quote
is rolling. It's common gets hit by something and then
it may spread a little bit. So what well, nine
billion more years go by, right, how much can it spread? Okay,

(01:28:34):
so yeah, you get nine billion years, a lot of
stuff can happen, and for you know, it is starting
to get around. But it gets better because if one
of those planets that actually has life, it evolves like
ours and develops advanced life, significant life, including sensient life,
that becomes technological life, that becomes space bearing life. Then

(01:28:55):
and that could have that could have been two billion
years ago, right then, that space sharing life. It's going around,
flying around the different planets and they're dropping some life off.
And so it's not about what are the odds of
life springing out of inanimates on our planet? What is
the chance of life in our galaxy? Which is beyond
our understanding and comprehension. Nobody can understand the implications of

(01:29:20):
two to four billion stars. It's just don't even try, right,
don't even think about it, but just understand that that's
a big number, and that can account for a lot
of things, all right. And so now, if I'm right,
there's life all over this drinking galaxy, and a lot
of it's technological, and some of it can travel star

(01:29:41):
to star. God knows how many would be wonderful to
find out. I would say that there's two hundred thousand
technological civilizations in our galaxy. Okay, all right, So if
there's two hundred thousand the entities that could show up
at our at our doorstep, who knows. I mean, the

(01:30:02):
unbelievable potential array of possibilities, and so okay. One of
the interesting things about the ancient alien concept is you
go back into the lore and you start studying it
as they have done, and they come up some pretty
cool stuff. The ets that seemed to be showing up
back then didn't seem to be like the ones now.

(01:30:23):
It's a little different group, of course, of thousands of
years ago, and they had they conducted themselves in a
different way. Okay, so fun so, but that was some
of the entities that you are out there. Okay, But
the modern era is interesting because as you move to
the modern era, we seem to have a defined group
that have are here. And the point that I'm making

(01:30:46):
is that's not random. It's not like some people that
just kind of showed up and said, oh, well, you're here.
I had no idea, let's get together, let's work together. No,
the empties that are here now are here for a reason,
because we are about to go through this extraordinary transformation.
It has been a long time coming. And the ones

(01:31:08):
that have chosen to be here have a genetic connection
to us, all of them that have been described, as
far as I know, there could be an outlier because
you know, passer by, whatever the hell it drop in.
But there's this genetic connection. And so that makes sense.
If something profound is about to happen to a civilization

(01:31:29):
on a planet and you have a genetic connection to it,
and there needs to be an engagement the ones that
have the connection, the ones are going to show up.
So let's go through it. What are the ets that
are described most commonly by hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Of comds Grays, right, they aren't looking one the grays.

Speaker 8 (01:31:47):
There are aptilians, the insectoids, and the what called the Nordics,
which may have a couple of versions. Okay, these and
so these are the these are basically the ones. All right, Now,
not enough thought has been given to this. Okay, let's
start with their reptilians. The reason they're called reptilians is

(01:32:07):
because you look like reptiles. I would suggest the reason
they look like reptiles is because they have reptilian DNA, Okay,
or would they have gotten the reptilian DNA from the
Earth when who knows, could have been one hundred million
years ago, could have been fifty million years ago, could
have been twenty or one hundred thousand years ago, well,
probably more than that. And so I would suggest that

(01:32:28):
in the goings and comings in our galaxy, going back
god knows how long, somebody cruised on in and does
something that's totally reasonable, and they took some samples of
our life and they took it away, right, and they're
very advanced in their genetics in biological sciences, and they
they took that reptilian DNA and they used it to
help evolve a literally a cension species capable of doing

(01:32:50):
all the things that we do right, Sensium species. But
it's got reptilian DNA in it. From here. Okay, let's
talk about the insectoids. They look insect because they seem
to be insect like, probably because they've got insect DNA
in them. Where did that come from? It came from here,
same scenario, exactly the same, and became part of a

(01:33:11):
sensiate species that probably was created in a sense. It
didn't evolve, but they used our DNA and then they
used our insect DNA. That's good. Now let's go to
the Nordics. I mean, this is a no brainer, right.
They look like gorgeous humans, right, and they come by
different names or maybe more than one. But the one
thing about them is they think really really human. You

(01:33:33):
think that's just an accident. You think that, you know,
another planet somewhere spent billions of years evolving life and
the life ended up looking like humans. No, they're loaded
with DNA human DNA, all right, and so there's the
connection there. So that's three for three, and then we
get to the Grays. The interesting thing about the Grays

(01:33:55):
is that they really don't seem to have that humanness
about them. They don't seem there's no animal on the
planet or no life on the planet where you go,
oh yeah, yeah, that was taken and created a gray.
And that's interesting for me to me. And so there's
two explanations for that. One is I think very unlikely,

(01:34:18):
and that is the grays are not really living or
by they're sort of bio robots or something. They're just
totally created and they're being used as a worker's or
something by the other species. I'm not so sure about that.
I think the genetic connection with the grays is that
the grays are the ones pretty much involved in the

(01:34:40):
genetic hybrid work, and so hybrids are being created, and
according to the reports that are coming in from the
contact these it's pretty much all grays. It's great human,
great human, great human. And there's different types of grays,
different sizes great human. And so there's some reason why
that needs to happen, right, And what that is I

(01:35:00):
don't know, But clearly, if they're creating great human hybrids,
that's a that's a genetic connection, isn't it. So you
see how this is the picture of this is painting. Okay,
now we we have you know, we talk about orbs
as being living entities. It could be there could be

(01:35:21):
living plasma entities here flying around. I don't. I don't
think that. I don't, but I think it's an interesting possibility,
and it's it comes up all right. I think they
have the ability to manipulate our world in ways that
create things that look pretty astounding. Doesn't mean they're alive.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
And so.

Speaker 8 (01:35:39):
This genetic connection is very explanatory in terms of the
why why then why now? Right? Without that genetic connection,
you you know, take the alien, take the alien and
aliens right, one of the all time great aliens of
all time. Okay, that's a great alien, right, that's a
nasty little sucker. Okay. It doesn't seem to do anything

(01:36:01):
but want to kill people. You just want to kill
anything that comes across. And they're really ugly. Now, if
one of those was involved in this, that would be
very upsetting. It would be what the hell are you
doing here? And why are you here? And man, you
are not helping. Okay. So we have, in our science
fiction created all manner of very nasty aliens, and that

(01:36:25):
is a reflection of who we are, which is a
very violent species that wants to kill anything at sees
and loves war and loves to create science fiction wars
or whatever the hell, and so we create these nasty aliens,
but the real ones, the ones that are engaging, is
just don't measure up. I mean, I'm sorry. They fall
way short of our fictional extraterrestrials, which is very much

(01:36:47):
a very anthropomorphomorphic process. Anthipomorph Anthropomorphism turns up all the
time in analysis, and it's like, I think people look
at it from this human angle and try to explain
it from a very human basis, which is not totally unreasonable.
I'm doing that as I talk about the Daday connections.
I think that ets have of the human rights or

(01:37:08):
to our Earth. But anthipomorphism can only go so far.
So this is a riff I like. But it then
goes even further to a place I really like, which
I'm dying to find out if it's true. I mean,
it's one of those on my bucket list, you know,
I gotta find out about that one before I die. Right,

(01:37:29):
And now there's a big bucket I got a big
bucket list. Nice, that's this, Okay, Look, once you accept
the fact that they're untold numbers of life, planets in
this solar system capable of life to a certain degree,
but maybe not to the level we see, but certainly
life right, and huge numbers that have been able to

(01:37:49):
create sense it technology species and that this has been
going on, not recently, but going on for billions of years.
So you've had civilisms that have come up and gone
and that's pretty much understood. Right, Yeah, they had a
great run, lasted a million years, They're gone, right, I
mean it's a dangerous place. So all of this has

(01:38:12):
been happening for all these years. So now imagine a
galaxy where sensient entities for a very length of time
are able to travel the galaxy like these entities seem
to do, not just recently, going back as far as
you want to go, this has been going on for
an enormous length of time. The galaxy is the same

(01:38:33):
size by and large, there has the same number of
planets and stars in it that it had until billions
of years, billions of years ago. But so it's defined.
And so you have these entities traveling around the galaxy
visiting life planets, doing exactly what we would do, and

(01:38:55):
that is taking samples from the planet for whatever reason.
Purpose could be huge amounts of samples, could be life samples,
DNA or it's equivalent from thousands and thousands of living
entities on that planet taking it for their own research
and for consideration. Okay, and now let's go further. They

(01:39:18):
they engage another planet and they take life from that planet,
and they work with them and actually create things. You know,
they are the mastic masters. I'm sure of biology. I mean,
it's part of a natural evolution of scientific prowess. And
so they're creating things. Maybe they're introducing this other life
into that planet to see what happens. And so I'm

(01:39:41):
suggesting that once you go there, what you end up
with is not Gaya. You end up with Galaxia, not
a living planet, a living galaxy in which there are
genetic connections across planets from one end to the other
that have been spread slowly and kind of get you know, involved.

(01:40:03):
We could have a genetic connection to a planet one
thousand light years from now, ten thousand light years from
now right in our own galaxy and have no idea
because the passage of time makes that possible, and we
can't imagine that length of time. Now when you go
there and wait a minute, so you're saying that there

(01:40:24):
is a life connection that may spread out throughout the
entire galaxy. It becomes a little less it becomes a
little more difficult to get worked up about Elon Musk's
desire to save the human species because we got to
go to Mars, because it's all going to go to
hell down here, right hall. We's going to die. It's
like that lesser dry as, only this time is going
to kill off all the humans. But we will survive

(01:40:46):
on Mars, which, by the ways, it's not like a
four star hotel. It's a really tough gig, right, and
I'm suggesting you know, Elon, I appreciate it can be
very expensive. It's going to cost a fortune. It's not
going to go well. Chill man, chill Why Because I
believe there is tons of human DNA out there, multiple locations,
and if we blow our planets to smotherings, humans will

(01:41:08):
still be there. They will exist, they will grow up,
they will thrive, they will have a place it won't
be here, and the human race will be represented. And
maybe the dinosaurs are represented out there. Maybe every species
has ever been on this planet, and there have been
trillions that have come and gone are represented out there.
Who knows, but that That's kind of cool, isn't it.

(01:41:28):
It makes you feel less alone, it makes you feel
less existential. Right, This mind experiment that I've gone through
is not exactly difficult. I mean, it's not like what
Einstein went through to figure out relativity. It's not that hard.
It's almost basic. But it's the kind of discussion you

(01:41:49):
just can't have, by and large, unless you're having a
podcast with me, because I love this thing. But imagine
if we could, if everybody in this plane had a
little tas to that that we ended the truth embargo
and they started learning the things that could actually allow
them to grasp this right. This is a galaxy that

(01:42:10):
is already heavily connected genetically right to the extent as possible.
There may be some life that cannot connect. But then
they got their own thing going and that that we're
part of it. We're part of the whole damn thing.
We're part of Galaxia and the ETS now. But we
don't and we will find that out when the government
finally gives up this goddamn truth embargo.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Have you heard have you ever found? Interest?

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
In considered researching Tesla's interest in UFOs and alleged communication
with interplanetary beings.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
He always claimed that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
And I know a lot of people don't realize that,
but he had a large interest in UFOs as well.

Speaker 8 (01:42:48):
Fortunately from my underachieving add personality, right, which has trouble
reading anything else. I'm not a researcher, so I don't
have to do that. I let the research that right, right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
You know, I Tesla would be interested in, you know,
interplanetary communication and thought he was communicating with UFOs and
stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
You know, no one would have.

Speaker 8 (01:43:10):
That's right, And and let that be, Let that research,
Let that book be written. Let it be in the
post disclosure world. Let's go and and and and where
everybody is now free to go where they want, and
they can make money, they can get paid to teach it,
to talk about it, research it. Philanthropists are putting billions
of dollars into it, and let's let's sort it all out.
But that's a big deal. And and uh, I'm just

(01:43:33):
a little activist, so I don't I don't have to
worry about that, right. I let Richard Dolan do all
the research.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
I'm only interesting.

Speaker 8 (01:43:42):
Yeah, yeah, what I'm The goal of the disclosure movement
is too, is not to do the research. It's to
take advantage of the research that has been done to
end the truth embargo so the research can explode, right,
and which You've got hundreds of millions of people around
a planet, researching, writing, doing whatever they got to do, right,

(01:44:06):
because it's the greatest subject of all time and bringing
it all together for all the rest of us, uh,
that is being that is being blocked by this truth
embargo that is led by the United States, at least
in the Western world, of the democratic world, and and
with the with the essentially implicit uh uh uh support

(01:44:28):
of uh of the uh the two major authoritarian governments
China and Russia. So yeah, that's my work is easy.
Research is hard.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Do you think that? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
You know, technology is out there to heal all humanity
and life extension technology is out there as well, and
that's all part of things that are being repressed by
you know, our government, because you would think that longevity
and life extension as well as healing everything and not
you know, curing death is a big thing amongst the lobby.
You know, it's the technology that's out there above and beyond.

(01:45:03):
You know, we we like to talk about spacecraft, but
what else can you know, intergalactic beings bring to this
planet that could help everyone and help humanity and make
it so maybe you could live several lifetimes and read
every book in the library and could take on these
great missions, right Steve, Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:45:20):
Yeah, absolutely, we we we are making great strides in
anti aging, I think. But there is a problem. Okay,
I mean I think it's possible. I think I think
life extension uh is is very likely to happen. But
right now, if we did it, it would destroy the
social security system, bankrupt governments all over the place. So

(01:45:40):
there's a there's a kind of a built in resistance there.
Uh uh. So maybe this way, if we're if if
if I'm the ETS and and I have the ability
to give the human race technologies that will allow them
to start immediately extending the life of the new humans
to a hundred and fifty two hundred years or whatever,

(01:46:02):
I'm not going to give it to you unless we
have responsibly dealt with the population issue. In other words,
if we're hell bent on breeding as many people as
possible and only going to have that reduced if the
environment steps in, the Earth steps in and starts killing
us off with viruses or making us go infertile or whatever.

(01:46:22):
I mean, if that's how we're going to continue to
do this because we're no longer animals, we're sencient beings
that have control over ourselves and the environment. If we're
not going to do that, you don't want to introduce
life extension. I mean, if you're a rich person, come
up in the extra twenty years, good for you. But
imagine a planet, after a certain amount of responsible behavior

(01:46:45):
and policies of three billion people, all the resources they
could possibly want. It's a big number, by the way,
all the resources they could possibly want, able to live
two in three hundred years. Wow, that would be cool.
But we are not ready for that yet. We have
we have not earned that yet. Now, obviously the ETS

(01:47:08):
could say, look, no problem, we got that. They just
kill off six billion of it and say look, sorry
for the loss. However, everybody else can go forward. Now
it's gonna be great. Right, I'm sorry, you know, It's
like then we had to and we had to make
some choices here they could I don't think they're gonna
do that. That would be that would be wrong. But
we could have. We could have dealt with our population
long ago, right as we watched it go from one

(01:47:29):
to two to four to eight billion almost overnight, right
and and and and in no time could we really
take care of them all? And so that's irresponsibility, that's
that's we are sentient, we know better, but we're saying
eight That's who we are, that's what we do. We're humans.
We screw we have kids like crazy, and we need
them because we need soldiers to fight wars, and so

(01:47:49):
without the soldiers and whatever, the hell, and we just
marched along, and any effort to try to deal with
it was laughed at the Chinese trying to prevent them
having three billion people in China one child policy, which
which you can you can you can see the pluses
and the minuses, but the West just castigated China for that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
How dare you?

Speaker 8 (01:48:13):
That is absolutely wrong, right, terrible thing that you've done.
One child policy, Like they're going to have to live
in China if they hit two and a half bill.
So again, there's an immaturity and an adolescent stupid quality
about the way humans conduct their affairs, which I'm sure
amuses the extraterrestrials and irritates the hell out of people

(01:48:33):
that care, particularly activists and you know, I just wish
we need to grow up, We need to change. It's
not going to happen overnight, but the changes we're about
to go through are going to pretty much outdo almost
anything we've ever seen. And we're gonna, hopefully we're going
to be part of that. We're going to we're gonna
be able to see something pretty special and it could
start within sixty days.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
Just saying, Steve, I'm really excited to hear about that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
Maybe the UFO is an alien see that we have
Star Trek movies in Hollywood and really think those are
historical documents. They don't understand entertainment. You know, maybe that's
the real case. They really think we're a lot more
advanced than we really are.

Speaker 8 (01:49:11):
Who knows, you know, I just see them having you know,
I have a little little get together out.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
There, Commander Kirk.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
We want to see Kirk William Shatner Like here he is,
guy's little old here he is.

Speaker 8 (01:49:24):
Having a little ConFlat maybe about seven civilis eighty seven
different groups. And then they're sitting there, they're in a planet.
They got together and they're they're talking. They're saying, you know,
and somebody raised the but you know, you know, you know,
you know you were Earth, right, Yeah, yeah, we know
about Earth's a pretty crazy place, you say, you know,
and they have they have their own organization, right, they
have their own organization. Right, it's a very big deal.
And and and and so they and they say, you know,

(01:49:45):
they they decided to decide, you know, they figure, we
have an organization and they decided to name it after
a movie that they went to. Okay, right, so we
are the Galactic Federation now, right, Uh, And that's funny.
I think they would laugh at that, because.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
Yeah, pretty funny to start. Maybe they don't understand humor,
or they don't understand lying. Maybe they don't understand the
seat who knows, you know, not the seed.

Speaker 8 (01:50:06):
It's just that that's you know, it's just acting.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Is fake, it's fraudulent, it's not real.

Speaker 8 (01:50:11):
I think if I were the ETS and I'm in
open contact, we have a little discussion with some heads
of state, you know, openly, which we know, you know,
we're being told what it is. That's open contact, I
would say, look, here's the deal, here's the here's here's
the name of the actual group that is operating in
the sector. Okay, that's the name. However, just for you,
we we will refer to it as the Galactic Federation

(01:50:33):
as we go for it and whatever discussions we have
and interaction is a galactic federation, right, you don't have
to use our names. Okay, it's a cool name, and
we respect your efforts in that regard. And we were
big fans of Star Trek. We thought it was pretty good.
It was not that a little violent, Okay. It was
like it was like going where no man had gone
before in order to just store a new world. But naturally

(01:50:55):
a lot of violence had to take place. So you
were off on that, right, that's not the it works.
But yeah, we get it, you know, we understand, all.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Right, Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
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Speaker 8 (01:51:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
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Speaker 8 (01:51:23):
That's on the website. The Paradigm Resource Group is now
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so there's that. Then there's the New Paradigm Institute. If
you want to bring that up, you can. New Paradigm

(01:51:44):
Institute is a much bigger entity that is founded by
Danny Sheen and his what Sarah Nelson, and they have
already raised hundreds of thousands and they've got multiple programs
going to get a very substantial board of directors. So
check out the New Paradigm Institute. If you're a billionaire
looking to donate that, Yeah, give them a shot, right,
send them a few mil uh. And then there's other
organizations forming like crazy. Uh. You've got the Soul Foundation,

(01:52:07):
which is a scientific think tank at Stanford started by
Gary Nolan. They're already planning for the post disclosure world.
You've got the UAP Disclosure Fund out of of h
I believe, uh, San Francisco, I think, Uh Yeah, which
is a five it's an actual five O one C
four political nonprofit where you can donate money that's going

(01:52:29):
to be used to engage political issues and ideas. It's
the only one of its kind. Right, you've got the
u Uh there's a UAP uh? Oh what is it called?
So many it's hard to keep up. I got it here?

Speaker 6 (01:52:41):
Where have I got it?

Speaker 8 (01:52:44):
Let me see I can find it. I just learned
about it. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (01:52:48):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:52:48):
It is called the where is it?

Speaker 7 (01:52:53):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (01:52:53):
Hell, I don't have it. Uh. There are a number
of organizations that are forming rapidly, uh, in order to
to really get ready for the post disclosure world. And
I'm going to be putting out a promo listing a
lot of this stuff very soon. It'd be a PRG update, okay,
And I'm going to list a lot of this stuff
so people can quickly start getting acquainted with these organizations

(01:53:17):
which are literally forming. And they're not just you know,
we're talking serious organizations with high level people, PhDs, all
kinds of stuff. It's serious stuff and they're hopefully going
to get serious money. So I'm going to get that
out pretty soon. And what was the other thing? Oh? Yeah,

(01:53:38):
I'm going to be speaking of the Conscious Life Expo,
which is Feb. Seven to Feb nine. I'll be speaking
on the seventh right, and then I'm on a panel
on the night, probably going to be ten thousand plus
people there, and you know, I I think about going there. Obviously,
it's pretty pretty strange, given what's happening here, off the charts, believable,

(01:54:00):
what's happening there. I'm also going to be I'm going
to be presenting substantially at the Contact.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
In the Desert, which we've been at twice.

Speaker 8 (01:54:09):
And you've been at twice. That's I think that's May
twenty nine to June two. I'll be doing a lecture
or workshop and intensive. I'll be moderating two panels on
two whatever the hel right, I mean, it's a carte
blanche and I'm helping to produce it as well. I'm
helping the people behind it because I have done a
lot of conferences and it's wonderful. I really enjoy it.
It could be an amazing comp We're talking May twenty

(01:54:30):
nine now, we could be literally celebrating the post disclosure
world at that time, in which case the place is
going to be on fire, it's going to be packed,
it's going to be a giant party, but still serious speakers.
Very possible. Something could happen with the Conscious Life Expo.
I mean it could be something significing happens there. It's
going to electrify that. And then I'm scheduled to speak

(01:54:54):
at the New Life Expo, which is in New York,
and I think I'm already scheduled for the from May
twenty nine of next year. I'm doing an event with
George Norriy I think in March, and then I have
a conference in April. I got to get this stuff out.
And that's you know, that's that's just before disclosure. I mean,

(01:55:17):
I'm one of one things you know I've done. I've
done over two thousand interviews. That's just my thing. That's
what I do. I don't write books. I don't make documentaries.
Why I just do interviews because I got a big mouth.
I love to talk. And so I've got I've got
a podcast list of like two seventy which is growing

(01:55:37):
all the time. And so I'm imagining disclosure happens right
on Monday morning. Okay, you're gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
Have a pocket with aliens, aren't you. I know this already.
You're gonna be interviewing aliens. What is the you guys
eating space?

Speaker 8 (01:55:51):
I'm not a podcaster I do.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (01:55:53):
I don't have the pocket never do a podcast. I can't.
I haven't got that kind of discipline. But the point is,
by Friday, I'm going to probably have one hundred ninety
podcast requests coming in right, and I'm gonna actually try
to book them all.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
I mean, do it, do it. It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
See we're running out of time here, but you guys
are out there. Check out Steve Bassett's website, Paradigm Research
Group dot org. We have it on the Rundown Live
dot com. This is what will be cataloged anywhere. Podcasts
are found Spotify at iHeartRadio. Check out our syndication kg
r A kg r a dB dot com, home to
Clyde Lewis Ground Zero and Caravandom Midnight with John b.

Speaker 2 (01:56:29):
Wells.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
We're sandwiched right in between those two great shows. Check
us out weeknights on kg r a dB dot com.
And we're also our videos are catalog and banda video
on many other great platforms where you guys can see
and watch his program, Rumble, YouTube, Facebook, anywhere where you
guys can get social media. Rockfin Let's not forget Rockfinn.
Check it all out and make sure you guys support

(01:56:49):
and donate the Steve Basset.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
It's not easy to do what he's doing. If you
guys want disclosure, go out there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
Put a little bit in his kiddy, put a little
bit of money in his back pocket there so he
can hire people, do cool things and develop this great
one stop research center for all the UFO historical data.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
So thanks again Steve for joining us.

Speaker 8 (01:57:06):
One more thing, one more thing. Okay, can I mention
one more thing?

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
Yeah, go ahead. We got Hollywood.

Speaker 8 (01:57:10):
Disclosure Alliance Hollywood Disclosure Alliance dot org. I founded it
a year ago and her aia Hollywood publicists. We're up
one hundred and ninety members. We're networking the UAP people
with the Hollywood people. Check it out. Some you may
think that you could be a member because of what
you're doing or whatever. But Hollywood Disclosure Alliance it's it's

(01:57:31):
a it's a cool thing. It's the only one of
its kind, and it's it's happening. So check that out.
I'm very proud of it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
Thanks against Steve don v Junior, Christan Tee. Here's where
Old Steve. Will have to have you back soon and
maybe I'll bump into you at Contact in the Desert
as we go every year to cover events.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
We'll be back right the moros tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
Chris Dante has so much a run down lie your
forecast into the future.

Speaker 6 (01:58:12):
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