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that's gonna be action packed this whole show. And you know,
today I woke up and I was looking at the
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news and what did I see something I thought that
would never happened. Don allegedly never happened, but some got
instinct in me told me if there was money in
freedom of speech and money and less, you know, censorship,
that companies would start to go that way. And I'm
not quite sure if this is, you know, preemptive of
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the administration coming in and them trying to remove censorship
by government programs, because they've definitely have government programs that
work in censorship, right. We learned that with the whole
Twitter files.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah. So obviously, of course what we're talking about is
the news that came out this morning that Mark Zuckerberg
has decided that Facebook will now be doing away with
its so called fact checkers to institute a policy that
is more similar to Twitter's what the community notes policy.
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And of course, me personally, I don't buy the whole
Mark Zuckerberg trying to rebrand himself as a libertarian sort
of thing that's been going on recently.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Do you think that because of his involvement in like
UFC fighting and him becoming more manly. I don't know
if there's a correlation, but you would think that that
might be it. He's like I want freedom, I want
to bust some skolls.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, you know, well, I think it has more to
do with the fact that the libertarian party at large
is being co opted by right wing nonsense and people
who have decided that that's a great way to get
in and co opt and hijack the freedom community that
actually cares about freedom, actually cares about decentralized governments, and
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we have a bunch of phonies pretending to be libertarians
now to to wiggle their way into that market. We're
experiencing a whole lot of psychological warfare. You know, we've
been talking about psyops and information warfare for many, many
years now. Obviously, the incomparable James Corbett has had an
amazing documentary about fifth generation warfare, which combines all of
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those aspects psychological warfare, biological warfare, economic warfare, so on
and so forth. And yeah, this is definitely, at least
in my mind, a part of that, because of course,
we can't gloss over the fact that he's saying, oh, yes,
we're going to institute a policy like Twitter's or x
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as it is now still is that.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
A community like policing system where the community provides information
and then you know, like they go back and forth
until eventually we find out what the truth is or
how does that work.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
So I'm not familiar with how it actually works. That's
allegedly how it's supposed to work. But I've heard, you know,
criticisms from people that are actually you know, in the
know with how the algorithm is programmed, that that's not
necessarily how it actually goes down behind the scenes, that
there are strings pulled, you know, at HQ and you know,
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by admins or whomsoever, some other way to sort of
game the system. But I just find it so interesting that,
you know, with the incoming administration, with you know, the
Trump Musk cabal and this absolutely fake charade caricature that
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Elon Musk, the tech bro military contractor connected to DARPA
and brain chips and all these things, is somehow a
freedom minded sort of individual, when we know for a
fact that censorship is still going on on Twitter, it
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has been going on since Musk took over. Some can
argue that it has gotten slightly better. Some can argue
that it's been given the perception of being slightly better
because of course they bring back Alex Jones and those
of us in the freedom community, even if we may
have disagreed with Jones's position, We're like, yeah, you know,
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nobody should be censored. Bring back Alex Jones. Bring back
Alex Jones. And then they did, and Alex Jones has
said absolutely jack shit about the rest of us, smaller
guys that are still censored. So you know, thanks for that, Aj,
And so you know, Twitter is definitely not the free
speech bastion that Musk has pretended to claim it is.
(09:23):
Musk is definitely not the quote unquote free speech absolutist
he has pretended to be. So Zuckerberg deciding to stylize
meta Facebook as being more similar to what Musk has
going on overall the bird app, I'm not buying it.
I'm pretty sure there's going to be some sort of shenanigans.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Well do you think it's more profitable? Do you think?
I think that's really what it comes down to, is
where's the money at, you know, And that's what the
advertisers then want to do, right, because advertisers all pulled
out of Twitter allegedly because of these the kind of decisions.
But here's the rest of social media, including Facebook, coming
and going that way. And I'm curious to why they've
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made this decision. If maybe these programs where they were
getting government money money for censorship I have ended because
they're worried about this administration, might do I.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Mean, maybe maybe not. I don't know, for those that
are unaware. So a lot of the Facebook censorship around
twenty eighteen ish, when when the big purge happened. You know,
we tend to rerun sixteen.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I think that was.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, you're right, I'm sorry, Yeah, the twenty sixteen social
media purge. And I think there was another one in
twenty eighteen, but maybe I'm getting my memory mixed up.
My memory is not what it used to be.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, yeah, there was a couple of We were part
of the first one in the Free Thought Project. They
kind of went on the pyramid of power per se.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, in a way. And so the big force backing
that coordinated purge because it wasn't just Facebook it was Facebook,
it was Instagram before Facebook owned Instagram, you know, and
Twitter and a whole bunch of other social media apps
across the board. It was a very coordinated purge of
independent media and the biggest force behind all of that
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was the Atlantic Council, which is a neo conservative NATO
thank tank based in Washington, DC that Facebook decided to
partner with. And then just a couple months after that
partnership began, and you know, then we have this revolving
door of individuals from the intelligence community and the military
industrial community now all of a sudden becoming you know,
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parts of the upper echelons of the Facebook apparatus. And
then there's this coordinated purge to try to assassinate the
independent media, try to kill free speech across social media. Thankfully,
it didn't work as well as they planned, but it
damn sure did do the job about ninety nine percent,
because you know, otherwise we wouldn't be struggling the way
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we are now. But so I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Well, it's interesting because there's so much change because of censorship.
Because we used to be able post in groups and
people would see our articles. We'd have hundreds that it
was worth writing articles, don because when you'd write an article,
get hundreds of thousands of views on Facebook. And you know,
for if those who don't understand Google ad Sense, for
every five thousand views on your website, that's five dollars.
(12:26):
Now it doesn't sound like much, right, but one hundred
thousand views. Well that adds up real quick. Then you
get a couple hundred dollars. You can start, you know,
upgrading and moving forward. And you give article that gets
two point four million, all of a sudden, you got
ten or twenty thousand dollars in there, and uh, I
could start paying people, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
To put it in perspective for the some of the
audience that it might not still be able to grasp. Uh,
think about this. So, before the purge, the Free Thought
Project was making enough money just off of Google ad
Sense alone to be able to pay a full staff
of journalists. I'm talking six seven eight people a full
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yearly salary as their only job, and everything was taken
care of it. They were making enough money for everybody
to pay bills, rents, or mortgage, by groceries, all of that.
It was full on, full time job. Everything was taken
care of, full staff of journalists. Post purge, the only
three people left at the Free Thought Project now are myself,
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Matt and Jason, and we barely make a damn thing.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
So well, it's interesting to see how they castrated everyone
they came after all the independent reporters and journalists and
the people they didn't want information, the counter propaganda, you
know best. There were some of the more wild Wild
West websites that I still enjoy going to sometimes to
go what the hell is wrong with people? Have you
ever gotten to before? It's news You've never gotten to before?
(13:55):
It's news dot com and you want to go whoa like?
Sometimes you find a die and then the rough there.
Oh yeah, I used to look for articles. I used
to post our articles on there all the time, as
well as Reddit, because Reddit people voted to the top
of Reddit. Well, now you know, the people that run
Reddit and the conspiracy Reddit and all these others, they
completely are extra you know, they only aggregate really ludicrous stuff.
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You know, it's craziness, not legit information. Just I mean,
there's some there's some good questions, but I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
In twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, I think we ran an
article over a TFTP where Reddit instituted an official policy
that now anything regarding nine to eleven truth was basically
getting shadow band pigeonholed. Quarantine that's the word they used.
Actually they were quarantining in Reddit all nine to eleven
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truth content. And now fast forward a couple of years later,
and what's some of those viral conspiracy crap on there.
It's all about flat Earth, and you know there's all
these other crap.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The Earth is flat, and you know the moon landing
is fake, and you know they take the conspiracies that
are probably like one way or another, you can't really
I mean, you could prove the worth is not flat
by just taking a boat all the way across or
flying or whatever, right.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Well, even simple geometry.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
It's not like we're going to the Moon base and
partying at the moon bar and we'll call it the
space bar, right, you know, hanging out Guardians of the
Galaxy drinking a gargle blaster. I think that'd be a
cool name for alcoholic space beverage. Come get your gargle blaster,
you know, a space version of grog. Right on your
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turns into a little wild animal, you know, so everyone
has a good time on the Moon. I think in
the future I'll beneath that we might be able to
do that. But there's no way to prove, Like, I
can't go to the Moon and verify plaques are there
and this and that, and you know I can talk
to existing people, you know, buzz Aldrin Bartsibrel, which was
he's a moon landing denier. Which it's interesting to hear
(16:03):
his viewpoint on why because I can say I can
agree why I would now consider potentially that these photographs
may be faked because of the way the multiple angles
of shadows are cast and the way the ship looks
like it's tinfoil. But you know, I don't know these things.
I'm not you know, I didn't have twenty million dollars
ten million dollar rovers that look like dune buggies that they,
(16:24):
you know, went to Vegas with or whatever they did
with that money. They went to the Moon with some
doune buggies, right, that looked like it cost almost nothing
to make. I don't know what was so special about
those doom buggies, but it's interesting. It's interesting to see
what people's viewpoints. And Reddit conspiracy has been literally them,
let's look it up. Let's see Reddit come and then
(16:46):
we go in here and go conspiracy. Let's see what's
on top here in sense. Well, it's because we're talking
about censorship, right, because there used to be like legit
news and in these farms two point two million members, right,
so they want to control it, of course, why now,
what's Starpa up to? Guy who said Facebook was not
suppressing free speech announces Facebook will stop suppressing free speech exactly.
(17:10):
That's at the top of Reddit conspiracy right now, posted
three hours ago. You know, memes, memes, that's what's the
big right, it's a meme war, right, brainwashing and elementary
bill gates, you know, showing. I mean sometimes there's interesting things.
How do you how do you evaluate this is real?
Elementary school you know, school works. You know, so breaking
(17:31):
data announces so Facebook Boeing whistleblower found dead in US,
which that's been going on. Trump refuses to rule out
military force to take control of Greenland and the Panama
Kamal Canal, ending the completely fa completely Facebook. It's rid
of fact checkers in awake of Trump's election. You know,
(17:53):
it's interesting. I have no idea here. You go, Canadian
government involved in the World Economic Forum. It's interesting how
many people are getting involved in the Builderberg Group, you know,
their offshoot, the World Economic Forum. If you don't know
what the Builderberg Group is, it's fairly interesting. Ivek a
George Starrow Scholarship recipartent who suddenly became a billionaire presidential
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candidate and now political appointing Trump's administration, although he was
very libertarian, but you know, you got to question those origins.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Right, right, Well, that's what I mean about the the
right wingers pretending to be libertarians to hijack that aspect.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Of the community.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
That's exactly what I mean, right, The nineteen forty two
map of the New World Order, the map of the
bedroom ball of every teenage builder, burger a. You know,
these are things that they're posting and read it, but like,
don't get me wrong, some of it's interesting, but a
lot of things that are claimed in this forum are
just trash, just trash. And it used to be a
bunch of news articles, including the Free Thought Project, including
(18:54):
the own Live and a lot of other platforms where
we could just aggregate our stuff. Millions of people would
see it. We'd be on the top of the reddit.
I can't remember the last time I made it to
the top of Reddit. I think it was an article
I wrote that a man shot down a drone in
his backyard and I was like one of the first
people really adegregate. That got two point four million views.
That's the last time I think I made good money,
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and that was probably in twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
It's just a damn shame how they have just absolutely
cut the legs out from underneath the media. But you know,
it's sort of how the way that or the independent media,
I mean, it's sort of the way that that old
adage goes. I mean, if everybody's mad at you, you must
be doing something right, right, well right.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So this brings us to our next guest who will
be joining us, Mark D'Antonio. Mark D'Antonio wrote a book
called The Populated Universe. He's a personal friend of mine.
I've gotten to know. He's part of moufan. We're going
to dive into all that. And moufon is like the
certified investigators for verifying whether a UFO video is legitimate
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or fraudulent. In fact, I actually am and I took
and printed out all my move on handbooks and certification.
Here it says the field Investigator's Code of Ethics and
basically goes through the science of how to properly do
it investigation. If you really want to know what most
of it is, you can get Chase Kletchke's book called Admissible.
(20:19):
She was a former Master Instructor Master Trainer of the
Department of de Front and a friend of mine, as
well as another friend of mine, Richard Dolan, who's the
top UFO historian allegedly, who we've had on this program.
Both of them. We all three of these people we've
had on our show before. But Mark Dantonio is interesting,
and so it comes to the question here. We talked
about this yesterday. People know Creek and even yesterday I
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was on my way to my girl's house right after
the show and I looked in the sky and I
saw one of those drones literally exactly like it was like,
what are the odds? We just got done talking about
this and it landed right at the airport, So our
airport facilitating these drones. Yes, I'm not quite sure how
or where I saw. Instead of an airplane which takes
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an angle to land at the airport, I saw literally
go almost straight down on a like a thirty degree angle.
I think that would be correct. Or what is LCA
that's ninety one and eighty, so about one hundred and
seventy degree one hundred and sixty degree angle kind of
something like that. I'm like, that's not an airplane. And
it had the lights and it landed at our airport.
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So somewhere along the line, there's something going on with
these drones people are seeing across America, and it's startling
to people. Why are they broadcasting these things at night?
People have seen UAPs all along and I have seen UFOs.
Why nighttime because they have to have lights, right, they
flicker because the planes. We were right by an airport
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here in Milwaukee, in Oak Creek, real close to the
Mitchell International Airport, so they have to have their lights on.
They all do. I could see the lights were flickering
and they were red lights. They didn't have the green light,
just a red light, and it just acted weird. So
why are they using these drones? Who is it? Is
it our government? Is it a private contractor We're going
(22:04):
to dive into all that with Mark as well as UFOs.
Do they exist? What are they? You know? I got
some questions from Mark. It's some serious questions. Right. We
could talk a little bit about that. The moon landing
and all that stuff we could probably bring up as well,
But I got a compilation here of really interesting footage
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that people have been amassing. Right, people want to believe
in something that there's something out there. Obviously, today we
talked about an article that I wanted to talk about
in the show that science is suggesting that all human
beings came from two human beings, so basically the Adam
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and Eves scenario. Whether or not that's true, I think
that there's people that want to use science to prove that,
which I'm not against that, but I'm also interested in
listening to skeptics. But that is what the Anunaki teach
tod is that were this planet was colonized, right, and
then men was hyper evolved from whatever was living here
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to create and to create humans and mind gold for
the Anunaki to create atmosphere. But it's interesting when we
start talking about these drones that people are seeing across America,
and here's like just bunches of videos of things people
claim our drones right, or claim our UFOs. It could
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be a drone, it could be a government you know,
spaceship or a government program, or it could be a
little gray man. I'm not sure what I subscribe to
these days, done I think that I'm leaning towards that majority,
if not almost all the sightings that we see are
our own government or facilitated by somebody who isn't afraid
of us. And here's you see different types of UFOs.
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That one was cigar shaped. You see some that are
like round, and some that are drone esque, and some
that are orbs, and some that are tic TACs, and
some that are you know, and you know, some that
look like a bell and some that are square boxes.
And you have all these different types, some that are
just meteors. They get misdiagnosed all the time, especially if
you're near an airport. People think they're UFOs, or see
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something or see some kind of a reaction like a
spaceship flying up to space and then a dump something
and it leaves like a special colored trail across the sky.
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, I tend to myself generally believe, although I do
believe in the existence of extraterrestrials to a certain extent.
For me, I think most sightings that we have are
some sort of classified military technology or something that's misidentified,
some sort of human craft. And you know, certainly be
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interested to hear the opinions of Mark D'Antonio, who has
joining us now. Mark, welcome to the programs. Good to
see you again.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Brother.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Hey, how you doing, guys, Hey.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Doing great, Mark. We're just discussing all the craziness in
the world and how UFOs have been popularized popularized, and
people all over the place are talking about you know,
what they're seeing in Old Creek, Wisconsin. They're not UFOs
per se, but people are seeing drones, quad copter drones
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the size of cars flying over all over the place.
And I thought myself with my own eyes last night. Now,
I know a lot of these videos are probably fraudulent
or fake that we're airing right now. Some of these
things may be unexplainable or might be legitimate or something
that might be considered just plain old UFOs or flying orbs.
But you know, people out there are seeing things in
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the sky. They're paying attention to the sky all of
a sudden, more than ever because of the drone phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Yeah, that's true. And just before your call, in fact,
I was a little bit late. I was thinking I
want to commit around six fifteen, just to kind of
get into it. But I just before your call, I
got a phone call from someone saying there's a drone
going over the fairgrounds right now. You got to check
it out. I ran outside and I went to look.
I didn't see it, but he was on the phone
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beat the whole time, saying, I'm looking at it. It's
just disappearing. I don't think you're going to see it
from where you are, but I do know that there
are large quad copters in fact when people talk about
in fact, I was probably the first one in Connecticut
that actually had a drone, believe it or not. And
that's because I was right in the forefront of drone
technology way way back when it first started, and we
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did a national geographic special with it. We did all
kinds of stuff. And what happened was when when you
look at the car sized drones, they actually are real.
In fact, I've seen them, and they're actually for the
usage terms, they're actually used for agricultural purposes. They're called
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ag drones, and they go over the fields and they'll
they'll they'll survey the crops and using the crops response
on the camera, they'll actually be able to look at
and look at the signal and pretty much the health
of the crop. So it's an agricultural drone. That's just
one of many uses. Okay, they don't spray, they don't
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they can't carry tanks of liquid, you know, that would
limit them tremendously. However, South Korea that has just come
out with one that has a range. Believe it or not,
it's a quad copter, now the size of a car,
and I actually saw it. And the quad copter has
a range of almost six thousand miles.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Yeah, and it has a loiter time of fourteen to
fifteen hours. Now you say, well, wait a minute, there's
no battery that can do That's correct, there's no battery
that can allow that. So how is it flying. It's
using liquid hydrogen fuel. It's got a liquid hydrogen tank
and it actually and more power to them. These guys
really did their homework and got a really good drone
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system out there using this very technology. Now, this is
all useful technology. It's the size of a car though.
The propellers like three and a half feet long each
and there's four of them, so it's pretty massive, you know,
pretty massive.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
In six thousand miles. That's incredibly impressive. And that's like
double the distance of the United States from east to
west coast.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
That's correct. So I did an analysis to figure out, well,
if these are coming from let's say the west coast
of Africa, okay, or you know how long would it
take them to get here? Well, they don't fly hundreds
of miles an hour like a jet. They actually only
fly at most about seventy five to eighty five miles
an hour. That has to do with the way the
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quad copter design is. You're not able to do that.
So unfortunately, when you look at how fast quad copters
can travel, it removes the range of operation. Okay, if
you're going to be effective. So what happens is if
you have a ship just offshore, Yeah, you can launch
like a whole bunch of drones from the ship, fly
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on land, go do some stuff, come back land on
the ship, go home. Okay. Trouble is, you've got to
be at least two hundred miles off shore of be
in international waters. And we have a good understanding and
tally on all the ships that are within that two
hundred mile limit. And what you guys may or may
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not know is that these ships have all been fully
examined and none of them had any type of signatures
nor indication that they were releasing drones as sort of
a mother ship, which is why in the papers you
saw such a definitive statement, you know, oh, there's no
mothership offshore, okay, because they actually they actually did this
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flyovers and did all that. I had been working with
NCIS as a consultant for years and did some consulting
for the FBI as well in the Joint counter Terrorism
Task Force as well, and in these cases we talked
about ways that we could actually sneak drones of all kinds,
(30:03):
underwater drones, air drones into facilities to try and test readiness.
And one of the things that they did from this
was they decided they had a way to figure out
how to detect radiation signatures offshore, how to detect battery
operations offshore, spikes of power heat. Of course we know
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from infrared systems. So that's all in place now. And
so as far as being able to sort of sneak
into the United States with a bunch of big drones,
that's not as easy as it may sound. You know,
they can't just fly in, okay. They are on the
radar long before they reach our shoreline, so there's no
way they can do that. You're muted.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
That leaves me with one suspect that would be well,
a couple of suspects could be a private contractor than
or our own government.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I actually talked to a DMD guy because you know,
I do that kind of work, and I was told, verbatim,
we don't have to worry about him. There are is
That's what I was told. I couldn't get any more
information on it because I'm not in that program, so
I have no right so to speak to know that.
It doesn't matter what you have for clearances. It doesn't
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matter what work you do. You could be in the
very program. If the guy in the next room is
doing an aspect of the program that you're not supposed
to know about and he has a lesser clearance than you, hey,
you won't know what he's doing. Just because if you're
highering the clearance, it doesn't mean you get to know
everything valant down below. Ye departments a vertical. It's like
a vertical shaft, okay, and you have to be at
(31:40):
the very top of the shaft to be able to
go into another shaft. And that takes somebody saying, okay,
I want him to be read in to this program,
so you know, so think of him as vertical shafts
next to each other, kind of like fuel rods and
a nuclear reactor.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So compowermentalize. So nobody what the ray hand doesn't know
what the left does, but the people on top see
the complete picture.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
That's exactly right. Everybody uptop can manipulate the entire set
of tunnels of shafts, but no one in the shaft
knows what the other shaft's doing.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
So what's interesting? Mark? So to put some light on this.
In our Oak Creek Forum community page on Facebook, people
were talking about these drones, right, but specifically because the
drones were flying over our electric power plant that we
Energy's power plant. So what interests because in our city
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of Oak Creek, the power plant is on Lake Michigan, right,
And it's interesting, But I guess maybe to survey it
to make sure it's up to code. What can drones
be doing? What would be Is there a security benefit?
Are they worried about potential terrorist attacks? Why are we
seeing drones all of a sudden just get rolled out
in the last month or two, or have they always
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been there and just now people are reporting on it.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
It's actually a mix of the two. They've been in
the news since middle of November and they were seen
flying through New Jersey middle of November. They were also
in other cities in Connecticut. I went out with a
Connecticut police that went to a police station in southwestern
Connecticut and went out on a drone call with the
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officers there, and one of the officers actually filmed a
drone fifteen minutes before we arrived. And I saw the
video and the video was incredible, and I have the video,
but it's actually for a now it's being used for
an analysis, so I can't disclose it, unfortunately. But it
looks to me like a large quad copter, And just
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like we were used to thinking about people are flying now,
I thought, you know, there are large quad copter systems
that are available that a single person can fly, all right,
So I was wondering if maybe it's a piloted prototype system.
And you know, it only takes one, just one, And
I'll give you an example. It only takes one for
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people to look up in the sky and think that
everything's a d if they see something flying over, they
get footage of this crazy thing flying through the sky,
then everything with blinking lights is now a drone. How
do I know that? Because I'm getting videos every day. Okay,
I just filmed with A and E yesterday from seven
in the morning until six pm on the next season
(34:18):
of The Proof is Out There, which I'm their photo
and video analysts for the show, and there are cases
where people see drones and they provide videos and so
as it turns out, you know, not with the show
in particular, but it turns out in general. What I'm
finding when I do this analysis everywhere else you got
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you have ninety nine point nine percent of these are
regular commercial aircraft that have been mistaken. Now that people
are looking up and saying, flashing lights, that's got to
be a drone, you know, And so they take a picture,
they take a video, and it's just odd to me
that the thing that they see going over every single
night now is something different to them, you know. And
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that's what happens when the media makes you start to
think and what you're looking at, you know. Okaham's razor
basically says that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one,
and it doesn't always work, of course, because the simplest
that explanation also prevents you from thinking out of the box.
So you have to be able to think out of
the box and use Okham's tenets in order to process
(35:25):
what you're seeing. So I have received probably ten videos
in the last several days. I look at them, I go, yeah,
that's a commercial aircraft. I can probably even tell you
what kind of plane it is based on a lighting layout. Okay,
some planes have two lights on their nose gear, you know,
for landing lights, and some have two on the wing
and one on those gear. Seven seven eight hundred has
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two on the wing, one on the nose gear, for instance,
or one on one on each wing and one on
those gear. And then there's recognition lights which are white
and shining at the hollow, you know, the fuselage. And
then you got the navigation lights, and you got the
wingtip strobes. FAA mandates that those have to flash it
one to three seconds or one to three flashes per second,
so they can do a single flash or a double
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flash or a triple flash on the wingtip strobes, and
all of these things have a frequency. The bottom red
light that you see the bottom strobe usually it's called
a Mars beacon. It just sort of glows and you know,
it kind of goes like this. Sometimes it's a sharp
flash that's literally one per second. So when you see
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a plane fly over and you take a photograph of
it in a time exposure, you'll see several red dots
moving across the image with the solid lines of the
wingtip lights that are always on, and maybe a red
and the green streak. But if you don't see those,
you're going to see the lines of the strobes and
the flashes of the strobes, and you can identify from
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that type of photograph you can identify how high it is,
what kind of planet is perhaps, and how fast it
was going based on the length of the trail in
time you took it. So three flashes on that bottom
strope means it was taken for three seconds, and in
a three second time, you say it covered this much sky.
And based on the distance between the lights at the wingtips,
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you can calculate the size of the aircraft, get approximate altitude.
It goes on from there. So there's so many ways
we can determine what's actually in the sky, you know,
and so but most people are now we're just reporting airplanes,
and I haven't seen any reports of drones of late,
which is kind of funny because they're the big topic,
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you know.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I find one of the points you made to be
particularly you know, poignant or pertinence rather, you know, because
it really is when the mainstream media or media video
or social media, you know, it gets a hold of
something and it whips up this hysteria and it's it's
(38:03):
such a great illustration of the ways in which the
power of suggestion is able to alter people's perceptions of things, because,
as you said, you know now that you know, they've
they've seen planes and helicopters and what have you for
you know, years and years and years now and now
all of a sudden, because of the power of suggestion,
(38:25):
Oh it's a drone. And you know, we're also seeing
that I have posited that you know, this whole government
quote unquote disclosure UFO craze that now all of a sudden,
the government and the media woke up one day he
decided to tell people the truth quote unquote about UFOs
(38:47):
since about twenty seventeen or so, and once again, through
this power of suggestion, is now all well, now you
know this big I'm sure you've noticed, or perhaps if not,
you know, correct me, this sudden uptick of the past
few years of oh, the UFO sidings and whatnot, because
the government the media is talking about them, so that
that's got to be a UFO.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Yeah, it's very important, you know. And here's what I do.
I mean, you guys know that I have the remote
observatories out in Arizona Desert. I'm in Connecticut. I run
them from here, and we see strange things there all
the time. And the thing is, we we never let
it get to the point where it's mundane. I look
at every case like that as a new opportunity to
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study and maybe solve this riddle, you know. And we
have another observatory we're putting in another location in Arizona,
about two hundred and twenty miles southeast of it the
current one, and so we're gonna be able to do new,
cool things with that observatory. So the point is that,
(39:51):
you know, we have technology to look at these things
in the sky, and even when we're trying to look
at something ordinary in the sky, something that my be
a beautiful phenomenon of an object, a dust cloud or
something in space, even then we find that most of
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the images we take are filled with other things that
come through. These other things are mostly satellites. Okay, a
lot of starlinks. Okay, in fact, we all know that
now that if I take a twenty second shot, you know,
(40:32):
a streak about this long is the time exposure of
the starlink. That's the streak they make from their altitude.
And if it's not a diagonal, we don't even have
to look it up. We know it's a starlink satellite,
you know, and we all have to deal with that.
So there's a lot of space junk up there that
people are mistaken for all these things too.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
So what is space junk? Is that just like trash
from that we've sent up there, that's just kind of
sitting up there or what.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Well, where do you think the astronauts who flush the toilet?
Where do you think that stuff goes? I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Well, okay, so let's talk about this for a minute.
So we obviously have been to space, right, it's a
very interesting, you know, secret space program, a bunch of
other things that you know, technology that are as much
advanced or far more advanced, and what many people may
know of that's out there. People want to talk about this.
(41:24):
There's people want to blame these Jersey drones on China,
but we we kind of believe that they're from within
the United States. You are, like, I didn't get any
a chance to properly introduce here. You are one of
the chief like the chief executive video forensic officer at
the organization known as MUFAN, which is the top the top,
like when it comes to the top of the pyramid
(41:45):
of UFO Library of you know, collection of experiencers. You
guys have the largest largest database in the world, right,
and so your job is to verify what is trash
and what is not. And I guess my question is
is how many real unexplainable UFO sightings have you seen
that you believe that maybe legitimate either off the world
(42:07):
or government secret you know, airplanes or special especially designed
equipment used by got by our own government spy.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
That that is a real muddy the water question because
obviously we don't recognize many of the objects we see
in the sky sometimes, but we're quick to jump to
the conclusion of the UFOs. For instance, that video you
just showed with the three yellow things dancing around that
(42:38):
was actually a cluster of three balloons. I analyzed that.
I analyzed, actually most of the ones you're showing, I've
analyzed one of the triangular ones flying through that was
actually geese on migration, but because it was a zoomed image,
it looked like they were speeding across the stars, but
they weren't. There was speeding, you know, because it was
assumed in image the stars went by faster, but the
(42:59):
geese were travel very very normal speed. Is an example.
So knowing how to discern that is kind of tough. Right,
So it does.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Look like balloons, now that you mentioned it, did they
act like balloons. They're floating like balloons, and they're.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Tied together, and on analysis you can actually kind of
see the strings a little bit, you know, And and
I'm willing to do that, and I'm going to look
at that now. There are satellites, for instance, that go
through space that are three satellites. Okay, these here, these
are geese, right. And one of the things that when
you look at those images, you don't just say, okay,
(43:31):
those are geese and make your proclamation and walk away proud,
and you know that you made a proclamation. You analyze it.
And when you analyze it, you zoom in and you
you analyze the image. You check out fluctuations in the image,
and in that image for instance, when you analyze it,
you actually see the image gets a little bigger and
a little smaller on each of the objects, a little bigger,
(43:52):
a little smaller, a little bigger, a little smaller, in
a rhythmic manner. That's the flapping wings. You're actually watching
the wing beats, but the night vision system only sees
the brightness, and it sees a slight brightness change as
the wings go up versus the wings go level and
then down. So when the wings are level, it's a
slightly more bright object, and so it shows up as
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a little brightening, and so you're saying that rhythmic brightening
as they're spreading their wings, and the ones behind the
leader actually have a different wing beat. They're actually beating
slightly slower because they're benefiting from the ones ahead pushing
through most of the air, and so they can kind
of ride in the coattails. Just like you're in your car.
You get behind the trailer truck, you're riding in the
(44:35):
slipstream of the trailer truck. You can let your foot
off the gas a little, and that's what geese do too.
Simple examples like that, So it's really cool. Okay, Hey, Marion,
Marion's obviously one of our she's the CFO for Skypterol listream.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Well, she does training for MUFAN as well. She's a
former law enforcement officer.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Yes, she does, and she does a UFO or it's
uapp D because these, interestingly enough, the drone sightings that
we saw with these police officers down in southwestern Connecticut,
well you know she's got a UAPPD and she's running
this organization that looks for strange an unusual activity as
(45:19):
seen by the police. Well, in our just last week,
I received that video from the police officer. I'm working
with someone else on this. You know him as Ben Hansen, Okay,
and Ben had me help him on an investigation with
a couple of scientists and we were looking at data
on a two year old UFO case when we got
(45:40):
the call that there was a drone UFO that was
seen by somebody. So those, for instance, those are those
are spotlights by the way, on playing on clouds, that's
a spotlight down below hitting the class.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Money and they're they're getting many millions of clicks and
people are clicking and they're like it's UFOs. Want to believe.
I want to believe. Mark I do want to believe.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
This is iss. This is lights on the ocean. It's
a this right I go through. Those are a fishing fleet,
a shrimp fishing fleet, okay, and those are the individual
lights of the boats because the lights attract the shrimp.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
So you know, just it's just the crazy. And you
were able to verify that there was a shrimp uh
fleet in the ocean at that time in that location.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Two fleets right there. Yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
And so this here is what we're playing. By the way,
is I looked up a collaboration of UFO sightings that
people believed are UFOs, and I just figured it would
make it for a good background. It's video for people,
and we can talk a little bit about this because
people they want to believe so bad. Don't get me
wrong that mark I want to believe, you.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Know, I do. I've had experiences like I just don't.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Trust myself when it comes to it, you.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
Know, yeah, you know. And then you get things like
this around of focus and now you're seeing the shape
of the iris. The name for is the boc. You know,
the actual shape of the Irish leaves make this shape.
It's not in focus, so you're not actually seeing what
it is. Okay, So then you get places, you get
people that actually use AI to try and resolve and
(47:13):
refine a fuzzy image, and that one is the one
that really bothers me the most because the AI refining
techniques AI is just taking the existing data and adding
to it. It's not actually sharpening an image because whatever
you have for the pixels in that image, all right,
(47:35):
that's all you got, Mark, it's happening.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
You mentioned this because when I was obviously subpoenut and
this is completely a side sidebar, right, completely unufl related,
But I was subpeanut for a footage I caught during
the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, and I had to take you understand,
and one of the arguments they had not with my footage,
but with the footage that the FBI provided is that
it was enhanced and since it was enhanced, it wasn't
(48:02):
the authentic version because they enhanced it and it added
pixels to it, and since those pixels were added, they
threw it out saying they couldn't use it and they
had to use their original footage.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
That's right, AI, if you use AI to do it,
I've seen, okay. For instance, you zoom in a black
dot on a photograph, and the black dot's fuzzy when
you zoom in. So you say, I'm going to put
this through AI and let's sharpen it up like we
see on the NCIS show. Please sharpen that, and the
face from fuzzy pixels becomes the actual person. Okay, that
(48:32):
makes people think you can actually do that. You can't.
You can't put more data into the pixels than you
already then you're there's already in it. You can't fabricate
data that isn't there, and you can. In fact, that's
all you can do. You can fabricate it, and you're
just fabricating a new picture that in most cases isn't
(48:53):
anything like the other picture or a representative of what
it actually was, you know. So that's that's kind of
crazy that you can do that. You know. I recently
had to do analysis for a court case, and uh
it was for a stabbing in a prison and I
went through the data, I got to see the whole affair, okay,
(49:15):
and I had to figure out what he was holding
in his hands. Well, the problem was the resolution of
the video didn't allow me to see what he was
holding in his hands. Had someone else taken that and said,
you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna put that through AI.
Enhance it, right, they would enhance it, and the AI
probably would have turned it into something else, like a
(49:37):
gun or a knife or something, and that's what it
would do.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Like a hot dog or something. He's like a dog.
I mean, hot dogs kill people. They just don't know.
It's the worst thing you can put in your body.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
But yeah, now I get it. You're absolutely right, absolutely right.
So so the bottom line is there's a whole bunch
of things that we have to be careful about. And
you know, this whole push with AI is making it
much harder for those of us that actually do the
science of image analysis, you know, and you know I'm
(50:09):
an astronomer, you know that, and you know, as a
professional astronomer, I've watched the technology grow to assist us
what we do. But I've also seen that the technology
to assist hoaxers and what they do is also there.
And that's something that's really, really, really troublesome for us.
(50:30):
But you know what, as long as you keep up
with it, you can kind of mention it bringing up
to the forefront and say yeah, no, this is actually
probably just an AI version. And there are people that
will say you don't know anything, and those people that
say that are basically exposing their own ignorance. I had
to say it, but that's okay. I mean, I'm very kind.
(50:52):
I don't harass anybody much. There are some that I harassed.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
There's somebody in the chat that has the interesting question.
I want to bring it up because it actually relates
to your book, because I have a copy of your
book right here, and in it you talk about how
anti gravity is possible using KK gravitons. Yeah, and so
who knows. We I believe that the government is fifty
seventy five maybe one hundred years more advanced in technology
than what they let on, and they might be able
(51:19):
to have or have some limited anti gravity tech. As
to what kind, I'm not sure. We're hearing disclosure hearings
with career and all this other stuff. What is real
what is not? I don't know. It's just a big
mind fuck to me a little bit, you know. But
if anti already worked.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
Let me just say I do know for a fact, Christan,
having done a lot of work for the Navy that
the Navy's about thirty five years ahead okay of where
we are right now. They're about thirty five years ahead
of us, you know for the general population. So yeah,
thirty five years. I know because I've worked on submarine concepts.
(51:59):
Stuff are thirty five years from being brought to fruitionion.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Well, so that brings me to my next question. So,
first of all, dive into the Navy thing, which I
have a question about this whole Navy thing because the
government seems to release credible UFO videos, but it's always
the military that is intercepting these UFOs, not like literally
intercepting them, but like they're capturing them on video and
(52:27):
they're saying, oh, these are legit UFOs. We don't know
they move, you know, at a ridiculous amount of speeds.
What are they obviously anti allowing them to turn on
a dime? Things like that are crazy anti gravity, right,
So the the idea like like it doesn't have to
be like like some futuristic technology. I mean, when we
look at quad captors, it almost like gives the same
(52:50):
appearance as being anti gravity, although it's not legit anti
gravity technology. But you wrote about KK gravitons talk a
little bit how that would work because the collider has
now proved the existence of KK gravitons.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Yeah, here here's here is in a nutshell what that
all means That that Christan just told you KK gravitons
are a particle that yes, they were theorized. There is
a calusive line particle. That's that's known. Now we have
(53:25):
the gravitons of the Earth holding us down. Now what
are gravitons. Well, when you look at all the fundamental particles,
we have electrons, protons, muons, gluons, neutrons, and so ons. Okay,
but the thing is, every time we look at a
special particle, we can we can talk about those particles
in terms of a wave or a particle. So we
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have an electron particle, and we talk about an electron
that satisfies a probability equation. You can actually use a
probability equation to describe the electron. So that's called duality.
Light has a photon and it also has a wave. Right,
we talk about photons. When I was getting my astronomy degree,
(54:07):
I was counting photons hitting a photometer and measuring the
light hitting this photometer. But those photons were being used
and interpreted as particles, little particles, photos energy, bundles of
light hitting the particle sensor. And we can also talk
about waves of light, red light, green light, okay, as
(54:29):
light waves, so that duality exists with the fundamental particles
in quantum mechanics. For instance, if you go into gravity,
now you're going long, man, this doesn't work. Let me
just twist my head this way and see if I
can make it fit. The problem is we don't know
anything about gravity other than how we can calculate its capabilities, okay,
(54:52):
the ability for it to operate on our bodies, the
operability to get a spacecraft onto the Moon properly. You know,
I can tell you about the equation between two massive
bodies like the Moon and the Earth. It's f equals
gmm over our squared okay, and that equation will calculate
the force of gravity between the two objects. Okay. We
can work with gravity, but we can't use gravity in
(55:16):
a way that could be beneficial. And give you an example,
do we mean real quick mark forur listeners.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Are we talking a kind of the theory of like
a stream like fish to go upstream? They use the
stream to move upstream the currents in like different ways
to use gravity. Tell propel, is that what you're suggesting
that there's that possibility but we haven't figured it out.
Speaker 4 (55:34):
Or no, no, not exactly. Because imagine if the fish
vanished from downstream and only appeared upstream and didn't travel
a distance upstream.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
So they punched it out of our reality into another dimension,
and then.
Speaker 4 (55:47):
They punch out of our four dimensions and go into
a fifth dimension called the bulk bulk like bulk produce,
and end up punching back in to our four dimensions
in a different coordinate. They would literally look like they're
disappearing from your eye. There you go. That diagram by
Robert Schroeder, good friend of mine, part of his book
Solving the UFO Enigma. Bob and I have talked for
(56:09):
many hours about this, and the thing is that diagram
is actually incorrect. As he acknowledges the KK gravitons go
all the way around the UFO, and I know we
haven't really described what they are, so I think we
need to describe that. Okay, if you don't mind, go ahead. Okay,
when we talk about the gravity, as I mentioned, we
can calculate its effect we can only do that. We
(56:30):
can't really manipulate gravity. We can put up a mirror
and reflect light. We can refract light. We can change
the path of an electron by adding a magnetic field
and a proton. Okay, what we can't do is do
the same for gravity. We can't make gravity do anything
other than what gravity does. And gravity sucks man, right,
(56:52):
So that's the joke. Make a great T shirt too.
So the thing is, when you talk about gravity, we
didn't ever think we'd see gravitational waves like light waves.
But thanks to colliding black holes and neutron stars, we
saw ripples in space. Okay, the fabric of space that
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indicated that gravity was rippling out in the same way
that ripples forming of water when you drop a pebble
into it. The pebble hitting the water displaces the water. Well,
the black holes colliding displace space and form this concentric
set of It's actually a spherical body of gravitational waves
(57:37):
that propagate out from the source of that collision. Those
gravitational waves were found by the observatories. We have three
of them on our planet Ligo. We have two Ligos
laser interferametric gravitational wave observatory. That's a tongue twister. Yeah,
we got two of those here in the United States,
and there's a one called Virgo much easier in Italy,
(57:58):
and all three of those are looking for gravitational waves.
They found them, they saw them. We now know they exist,
and we can actually triangulate and figure out where these
gravitational waves come from, so we can find out where
these black holes collided for instance. Okay, that said we
found gravitational waves, what's left the gravitational particle, the elusive, enigmatic,
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hypothetical graviton, and so that's what these things are all
about that you're seeing there. Okay, we know about these
KK particles, Colusa Klin particles. Colusa Kline were scientists that
theorize these particles exist. I think they did in like
the twenties or thirties, and finally they were able to
figure out that these things do exist. And the Atlas
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detector at the Large Headron Collider at CERN, you know,
the big giant twenty eight plus mile circular accelerator, has
a detector called Atlas and Atlas all caps. Atlas was
able to detect Colusa Line particles, which is what it
was partially built for And why would they want to
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do that, because there's something interesting with these particles and
you're looking at it. When they are when they're formed,
they're so powerful they are more the strength of a
eclusive line graviton is about ten to the sixteenth times
more powerful than those holding us down to our chairs.
And he said, wow, he's right. Okay, it's ten to
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sixteenth times more powerful. That means that at the same
time that they're being created, these tiny particles are also
making micro black holes. Okay, micro black holes are known
to exist. They only live for a few nanoseconds. So
if we had a ship on the Earth making tens
of thousands of them at once, maybe even millions or billions,
it wouldn't matter. They exist for a few nanoseconds, then
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they're gone because all black holes evaporate. That's something no
one probably knew, or maybe some did. The micro black
holes last a few nanoseconds at best, so you keep
a supply of them, But what does that do the
black holes. The most important part of the whole theory
of how this whole anti gravity thing is that the
micro black holes will surrounding the ship will absorb a
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few things. They'll absorb some light, all right, they'll absorb
some of the air, maybe they'll get a couple of
molecules in before they wink out of existence. And then
they're going to absorb the earth gravitons that are going
to the ship, and thus these micro black holes will
prevent earth gravity from reaching it. That's the concept. So
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it's not like the ship is making anti gravity. It's
preventing gravity from touching it. That's how this is working,
and that's why when we talk about these UFOs that
are traveling through space or on the Earth, they look
like sometimes falling leaves that just sort of flutter in
the sky. There is no up or down, you know. Now.
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The other thing is that these guys also generate what's
known as syncretics on radiation. You know why they're circular
like this because they are particle accelerators. We have a
twenty mile ring, okay, Well they figured out how to
do it in a thirty foot ring. And what they're
doing is they're generating particles, these collusive line particles by
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colliding particles and making a constant supply of these colusive
line gravitons. Okay, and these colusive line gravitons surrounding the
ship allow them to wink out of our X, y,
and z, moving to time and go into a fifth dimension.
And why is that? Because the clusive line graviton is
the other end of gravity. What does that mean? If
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you think about it, all those other forces we talked about,
we talked about the nuclear forces and light and gravity.
Gravity is the only one we can't really understand. Gravity
starts or ends somewhere else. Light starts in our four
dimensions and ends in our four dimensions. It doesn't vanish
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and be gone. We see where it comes back. You
sign a flashlight, you see the spot on the wall
starts at the flashlight ends at the wall. With gravity,
we don't have that. We don't know where gravity ends
or starts. So when we look at something like this,
one of the problems we have is that gravity seems
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to end somewhere else, and that somewhere else seems to
be where kalusive line gravitons come from. So if you
generate these colusive line gravitons around your ship and make
you all fuzzy like I just did, Okay, these colusive
line gravitons living in this fifth dimension will automatically pull
you in to the fifth dimension. And what is this
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fifth dimension? This bulk thing I was telling you about,
It is a dimension that is very warped. The farther
in you go, the smaller the universe becomes around you.
Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Now, when you have a universe that gets really small
around you, you can actually do some really cool things.
Let's say outside that you go twelve inches. Okay, out
here in our for dimensions, we go twelve inches. Okay, great,
so we go twelve inches, and so we measure it
and we've gone twelve actual measured inches. However, what if
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you go inside that fifth dimension and you go in
just a little bit and then you come back out,
So you pop out of our four dimensions here, go
into that bulk, and then pop back out after traveling
say twelve inches inside this dimension. That could translate to
about two feet perhaps, I mean, we don't know. But
so in other words, if you the same distance you
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go in our four dimensions doesn't translate to the same
distance when you do that in these dimensions fifth dimension.
So as an example, you can travel and then you're
gonna see how this all comes together. You want to
travel like say from here to Pluto. Okay, so you're
gonna go into the fifth dimension, and you're gonna go
all the way up into the fifth dimension as far
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as you can go. Massive number of these microblock holes
of energy use that you're accelerator on your spacecraft is
generating pumps out all these gravitons, brings you into the bulk.
You travel far up into that that highly warped space
of the bulk, and then you travel say twelve inches
I'm being theoretical. Now when you pop back in to
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the entry point back into the four dimensional universe, you
could literally just show up at Pluto.
Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Right So it's sort of like, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead, no,
go right ahead, go in. Oh. So like because the
way that my brain sort of breaks these things down
and try.
Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
To go my brain is like struggling to comprehend this.
S Mark, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
I'm starting because I'm so fascinated by physics. But like
I I obviously I'm not like an astronomer or physicist
like you. So I've only watched, like, you know, a
couple of YouTube videos from other physicists and listen to
Neil Across tyson talk a little bit and whatnot. But
so the way that my brain sort of breaks it
down is almost sounds like, so if you have a
big ass road that does a huge you instead that
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is traveling through that road to get from point A
to B, you sort of cut across the lawn the
buffer that that may ask me way to think about it.
Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
And the only remaining piece is you don't actually make
tire tracks on the lawn. Yeah, you actually disappear from
one end of year you and appear at the other
end of your u over here. So you that that process.
It doesn't sound like it's possible, But let's let's talk
about what that would look like to our eyes in
our four dimensions. You know what I'm saying, four dimensions?
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You might say, well, wa, have X, y and z?
What do you mean for? For is time? Everything we
measure in our universe is measured by a positional cordinate
of x, y and z. At a certain time those
are all together. If I move here, I move to
pay me the same two coordinates for one or the other.
But then time has changed. Okay, so I have time
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is the variable. Time is the one that can change X,
y and z. Is always changing my hands at a
different X, Y, and z through time. It's a fraction
of a second later each time. Okay, So that's why
the four dimensions. So if you think about it, what
would that look like to our eyes and our four dimensions?
If some craft now surrounds itself with these micro black holes. Well,
now what I mentioned before, right, it absorbs the earth gravitons, right,
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these micro black holes. It also absorbs the light, some
of the light. So to our eyes we would see
it kind of shimmer and change color, and that's been reported.
To our eyes, it would look like it's actually fading
in and out. That's been reported countless times, okay. And
then it's been stated that the thing just vanishes from
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one place and appears at another. That's often reported too. Now,
as an astronomer, I would be remiss if I didn't
say that something changing colors could be called atmospheric scintillation.
Objects lower the horizon will look like they're changing colors.
Venus is very good that it just got a case
where it was Venus on the horizon doing this and
people say, oh, it's a UFO, Okay, Venus, sorry, you know,
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And then so it could be that right. And then
when things seem to you know, fade in and out.
That's something at the limit of your vision, right, because
we lose things. You can see venus in the daytime
in the sky, if you know where to look, you
focus on it, you can it'll suddenly be there. Oh,
there it is, I see it. And then you look
away and it's gone. I can't see it now, you know,
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might have trouble finding it again. So we have that.
Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Now.
Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
We might have a case where you're looking at something
in the sky and it flashes here. Then it looks
like it flashes here, it flashes there, and it flashes there.
But if you took a photograph, as I did for
a class that I was training people in the desert,
you'll see the object here or the object here, flashed here,
then it flashed here, then it flashed here, then it
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flashed here. It was a perfectly straight line. But they
saw it flashing in different locations. They thought it was
all over the sky. And that's called the autokinetic effect.
Your eyes are not good at focusing on a blank sky,
on a single point source that disappears, your eye will
lose track of it. And when it reappears. Your eye
can't go to the next location where it's traveling in
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a straight line, for instance, but it will go somewhere
else and think you're somewhere else. Okay, So that's the
eyes problem. So can can all this be though any
of those three things? Sure, but we can't deny that
we might be looking at clusiklin gravitons in addition to
these other known phenomena. And that's the thing that's interesting.
They are here, they're doing stuff we don't understand. And
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I saw a USO on a nuclear submarine decades ago.
Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
And for our listeners out there that don't know what
a USO is, what is a USO.
Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Market it's an unknown submerged object and it's one that
is like a UFO underwater. Okay, many of them. In fact,
our Navy has a program to catalog them and log them,
so they can't do them. They're you know what, they're there,
their operational status and their operational orders are observe and report.
That's what I'm gathering from having actually talked to a
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joint when they did a project for this for them.
So the process is very interesting because these underwater objects
would go through the sonar at hundreds of knots and
barely leave a trace. You know what you're seeing in
my view, and the only reason you're seeing it is
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because they can't travel underwater at hundreds of miles an hour.
They can't make ninety degree turns in the air and survive.
Not even aliens can do that, and they don't. What
happens is they're popping out of one location and popping
into the next. Remember I said, if you travel twelve
inches here and you travel only a little bit into
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that fifth dimension and travel that twelve inches when you
pop out, maybe you travel two feet. Okay, well do
that a lot, and you'll have these dots moving across
where they're leaving and coming back to. And our instrumentation
doesn't see individual discrete dots. It sees a line. So
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it says it went from here to here in just
like four seconds, It went like ten miles. How can
that happen? You know, no sonic booms, no wonderwater dishevelment,
what's going on? Well, the bottom line is they're just
popping in and out. And that's actually elegant because these
craft don't even need engines. They don't they're not using engines.
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They're actually just they're actually just popping out of our
four dimensions and then popping back in at another entry point.
They pop out and pop in. See. So I don't
doubt that there's advanced technology and from another world here.
And I mentioned this to you. But guys, I think
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before I was on the show again before and forget
what I said, but I think I said this. I
think I told you this. When you look at the
universe and you look at all the planets that we've found. Yes,
there's people that say, well, there's not.
Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Many of them.
Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
There aren't any you know, light belswhere I'm here, that
all the time, all right, But I just want to say, okay,
temper that with the fact that we're carbon based. Okay,
whether bilaterally symmetric, the salmon left and right, well have
to do with aliens, I'll tell you what has to do.
Carbon is the fourth most abundant element universe. And for
carbon based life, you need oxygen to survive, Okay, to
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carry out life processes. Oxygen is very important. Consider DNA,
consider respiration with plants, with humans, with other animals. Okay,
all right, Now that all being a fact, if you're
an alien creature, you're most likely going to be carbon based.
As the fourth most abundant element in the universe. It
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stands the reason carbon is it. Okay, I'm a carbon bigot,
that's right. Okay, that's true. But if you think about this,
that also means something else. It means that aliens are
going to look for other planets like their own, because
every life form on this planet isn't beauty with a
certain characteristic that is inalienable. They all have it, and
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they all had it though, even the ones that survived
and didn't survive, and that's curiosity. We want to know
what's out there. Well, I'm guessing that other alien creatures
would do the same and they would develop science and
want to know what's out there. Right, it's possibly might not,
but for the most part, that's what they want to do.
They want to find other things a while bettering themselves.
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So if they do that, they're gonna look for something
that is like them. And if they're carbon based, they're
going to need oxygen to survive. So what they gonna do.
They're gonna look for a planet that has oxygen. And
you know, we are a blazing blue beacon. Okay, in
the universe. You know, Carl Sagan said, we are a
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pale blue dot in the universe, our home, our Earth. Right. Well,
that pale blue dot is not so pale when it
comes to announcing our present in the universe. Oxygen started
forming in our atmosphere over two and a half billion
years ago. And so let's say two billion years ago
two billion, would it be the oxygen signal from our
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planet went out to all many lightyears, went two billion
light years in every direction? Okay? Do you tell me
that there is the technology out there that maybe had
become advanced enough to look for oxygen in the atmosphere
of a planet and make their way here once they
figured out how colusive c line gravitons work. Everybody's gonna
find a nuclear era out there. Atoms are the same
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everywhere in the universe, so they'll all get a nuclear era.
They'll all get a fusion era where not there yet
or we're coming, We're almost there actually, okay, And they're
gonna find a Colusa era, a colusik line era where
they're gonna actually do dimensional shifting travel like this. So
whoever does that, they're gonna have the universe at they're
beck and call, and they're going to travel around and look.
But it's a it's a natural progression. It's gonna be
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an automatic finding. You know. It's gonna happen whether I
like it or not. Okay, So we're gonna have alien
races seeing the Earth from all kinds of different locations
because they're gonna be looking for oxygen. We're doing it now,
we're doing it now. The James Webb is looking for
the signatures of colliding oxygen atoms, okay, to help tell
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us whether there's oxygen in the atmospheres of some of
these extra planets. Okay. However, okay, oxygen itself shows up
in the visible spectrum what we can see with our eyes,
and we don't want to. The James web can't see that.
It can see way in the far infrared, out in
the red. So colliding oxygen atoms create a signature way
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out there in the red. So we'll look at that
signature and infer how much oxygen is that a planet.
And we're primitives, we're babies, neophytes, we just joined the universe,
you know. So another race that might be only one
thousand years ahead of us, has this way down pat
and they might even have cluzical dimensional travel in place.
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So if that's the case, there's no reason we can't
be have been visited by not just one, but a
number of alien races. Once they get this technology. It
could explain this shape craft. It could explain triangular shape craft.
It could explain a cigar shape craft. It could explain
all these different types of craft we see spherical craft
look like, orbs. It could explain that different technologies created
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by different races. Maybe they had different ideas what their
ships look like. I'd love to be able to hear
what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
You're muted again.
Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
There brother a controversial question. I asked you a contact
in the desert when I heard all this was the
fact that majority of the government, the legitimate UFO sightings
are considered catalog by our government. And what are the
odds that this is just our government testing out secret
product on our own military to verify that it could
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fool them or work, or whether or not it would
be captured by radar, because you would think that they
would want to be able to verify that it could
be cloaked or could be if we could fool our
own you know, military before they would use it on
somebody else, or how much of this do you think
is just completely UFO or unknown to our military and
where it's coming from.
Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
That's a really good question. Of course, anything I say
about the New Jersey drones is just pure speculation. We
don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Because people are saying those are from China, whether or
not that's true or not. Some people believe that. But
I think that those are ours like and there's something
going on. Like I mentioned, they're flying over our electric
power plant. Why are they going over we energies, you know,
the coal coal plant where they're you know, burning coal
all day. There's gotta be a reason.
Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
There may be a reason that they're doing that. But
I honestly, I don't think they're foreign. I don't think
they're Chinese drones. I think that that's the hysteria that
comes out of the Chinese spibul And it was a
lot of fly across for a whole United States before
anybody decided to shoot it down. Okay, that was a mistake.
We should have shot it down immediately. How how how
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how far into China do you think that our spy
bulow would get before they take it down? As soon
as he crosses the border, it's shot down. Now, Yes,
the regular the human rights in China is way less
than ours, okay obviously, but the bottom line is that
I think that, uh, you know, several people have called
for shooting down these drones. I actually saw a video
(01:17:29):
of someone shooting with tracers at one of these drones
and it was so far away. Luckily it didn't hit
it because he may have been shooting at a regular
commercial aircraft. Okay, because that's what we're getting here. We're
getting the crap happening now because you know, some of
these yahoos, they think that everything's a drone. They're gonna
just start taking potshots at it.
Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
You know, somebody in the chat wants to know, so
who has the tic tac technology? And I believe that
was wizn It. That's not Skunkquirks, but it's like a
bigger organization didn't. Then one of them claimed the tic
tac technology is their own.
Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
Ah, I'm not sure, Actually I don't. I'm not aware
of the tic TAC. See. I analyzed all those videos
and I'm gonna tell you right now, Honestly, when I
looked at the Gimbal video, the tic Tac video and
the go Fast video. I wrote a white paper on this.
I didn't see anything in there that was otherworldly. It
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looked like stuff we could do. In fact, I identified
errors in the assumptions they made with the gimbal, where
when the weapons officers looking at it going like this,
he said, look it's rotating. Okay. No, it wasn't rotating.
That was an infrared lens flare okay, from high gain.
And every time that you saw it shift, you had
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to look at the cloud bank, the cloud bank. Every
time it shifted, the cloud bank went like this, the
cloud bank bounced with it. That's telling you that there
was a circular filter over the sensor and it was
turning okay, and that was causing the lens flare to
travel with it. The spikes, the diffraction spikes, and so
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that kind of thing happens too. So you know, there's
all kinds of stuff that's been made into they make
assumptions about, but there are also real objects that they
went after, and there's no doubt about that. I'm not
saying they didn't happen. Okay, the tic TAC if I recall,
it was about fourteen miles away from their position. Now,
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the at flaer pod from raytheon that they used on
the F eighteen Hornet is a tracking system. It can
actually line up and track, and they were tracking this
tiktac and it was way down here that the pod
was this way, the jets going this way, and the
POD's looking this way. Okay. When it went out of
the view, the pod reset forward. When it did that,
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the Tiktac went boom. It looked like it suddenly took off,
and the assumption was made that the tic TAC took
off at a high speed. No, the magnified view in
the in the raytheon pod just changed as it turned
back to the front. It actually came back, you know,
And so it made it look like it was traveling
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at high speed. So I'm not I'm really not convinced
that the tic TAC was one of those either. It
might have been, it might have been something else. But
I will say this about the tic TAC. When Dave
Fraber talked about the tic tac coming down to the water,
it meant something else that was coming up from the
bottom potentially and was bubbling up down below. Now that
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would be very interesting to find out that that might
have been one of these unknown submarines actors.
Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Would be one of the best videos of Barat Jodo Yatra.
Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
You know what I mean, that could have been one
of the that could have been a USL coming up
to meet it.
Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
You know, it's interesting that these things come out wider
that there's like no resistance they I wonder if that
means they can fly into our planet. A lot of
belief and the government documents suggested if there was the
alien life already on this planet, it would be deep
within the planet, which you know, it's interesting because some
religious texts of us that they're you know.
Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
That that's a good that's this guy. He's pretty smart. Okay,
So the way it works, you know, and I don't
mean they interrupt you here, Oh go ahead. When they
say deep within the planet, they don't have to be
deep within the planet. They could literally be in our
ocean trenches. In like nineteen fifty two, the Kitskawa Mauru crew,
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Japanese crew on a freighter was coming up toward the
very end of the Marianna's trench and they saw these
UFOs breach out of the water and take off into
the sky, and the whole crew saw this happen and
they were so astonished they actually took down the latitude
and longitude of the location where they came out of.
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It was right at the end of the Marianna's trench. Okay, wow,
now you might say, well, how could they live down there?
The pressure is so high? Yes, it is. But keep
in mind, with this technology that I'm talking about, this
clusive line technology that might be in the clusive clin
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graviton technology, how would that actually be put into practice?
Most likely using a fusion reactor which would drive the
force that makes these little clusive line gravitons get formed
within this UFO and surround the craft of these little
microblack holes. And what it does, though, is when that happens,
it goes into a fifth dimension where the rules don't
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apply anymore. You don't feel pressure in this fifth dimension.
And most likely what they do is they oscillate back
and forth rapidly with a very very high frequency. So
they could do that if they're accelerator, their particle accelerator
and the reactor are working, great, then they can just
sit down there forever and they won't be They'll be
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neither here nor there. They'll kind of always be in
another region in between, so they won't feel the pressure.
That's why when they travel, you know, when they travel
from one spot to another, okay, they seem to go
fast because they're going from point A up into the
bulk down here to point A plus point three or
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whatever distance, and they just keep doing that, and it's
like number little discrete dots of travel, and they're constantly
vibrating oscillating back and forth between this dimension and our dimension,
which makes it hard to see, which makes them hard
to track, which makes them hard to capture, which makes
them hard to shoot down. So their very technology alone
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is what's keeping them hidden from us. And it's a
consequence of their technology. And they're talking about these primitive
apes that they're fooling all the time here on this
crazy little dingy planet in the backwater the universe.
Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
And you know, it's things like that that make me
very curious about, uh, you know, essentially the top secret
nature of take Antarctica for example, of how it's it's
so damn difficult, you know, for just a regular person
to go down there and check things out without going
through red tape after red tape of like government clearance
and things of that nature. And of course there's all
(01:24:21):
these uh, you know, conspiracy theories floating around the Internet
of why that is and you know, what's going on
in Antarctica. You know, some of them may be possibly
a little more credible than others. Of course, the the
flat earthers loved to so oh it's it's this ice
wall that you know has never been shown or proven
and it won't be that's of course.
Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Mean you guys know there's an ice wall somewhere.
Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
Only on K two and Everest there's an ice wall.
I don't want to climb it in the warmer weather
because it can actually fall, fall and drop ice chunks
on you and you'll die. Well, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
And then there's you know, on the other end of things,
there's the allegations of say, Project high Jump, which was
this US military program that happened toward the end of
the Second World War, and uh, you know, these allegations
of oh they went there to eliminate the secret Nazi
bases that were set up in Antarctica, or oh they
found some sort of crashed craft and even mentioned yesterday
(01:25:24):
the I don't want to call it a theory, but
possibly a theory because I haven't actually seen the evidence
to one prove it yet, but the allegations that the Nazis,
if they did have some sort of facility down in Antarctica,
found uh Claft whose crash craft called de Glacke the
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bell that they end up transporting back to Germany, and in.
Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
The Han which was another one.
Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
So the point being it makes me curious about, you know,
the things were in that regard to places like Antarctica
or you know, other places in the world where we're
not regular people aren't necessarily permitted to go. Maybe they
know that there's some sort of uh, you know, extraterrestrial
life that's living there, and you know, maybe underneath the
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ice or the Marianna Trench or wherever.
Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
I happen to know that you can go to Antartica
tomorrow without red tape.
Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
And yeah, I actually it's a bucket list for me.
I'm not interested in forty below zero in the summer
it gets like minus twenty and and they they wear
their they don't wear their hoods in those days, like ah,
you kidding me. Anyway, you know, out of a New
Zealand you can hop on a see one thirty or
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actually no, not even like a seven seven, seven eighty
seven or one of those actually rather advanced yet. And
you fly to the ice runway at McMurdo and you
land on the ice and you get out and you
go on a tour of the local area in there,
and it's costly because they can't take a full planeload
(01:27:07):
of people. They can only take a few and you
get a guide and you go throughout it. You go
through around Antarctica and check things out. The only problem
is the reason that they don't let people there ordinarily
as tourists is because there's no facilities to rescue them.
Do you know how many bodies are on Everest?
Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
Yeah, yeah, And there's a lot of dead people on Everest,
And when climbers climb up in the warmer months, they
see the bodies in the ice walls and it's just like,
you know, yeah, So they don't want that in Antarctica.
They don't want any of that. You've got to get
a full medical clearance to go to Antarctica because there's
no hospitals. You know, McMurdo has a kind of like
(01:27:52):
a sort of a hospital. I knew someone actually worked there.
Was the air traffic controller for the ice runway, and
you know she said that when it was warm out
it was minus twenty five. Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
There's actually a fellow that I follow on both Facebook
and TikTok who works in Antarctica. He's some sort of scientists.
I don't know exactly what he does, but he posts
videos typically of you know, check out how the snowing today,
or you know, the check out the sun on the
horizon and it's it looks so cool, you know. Like,
like you mentioned, I'm not a big like. I like
(01:28:25):
the cold way more than the heat right, but twenty
below is a little bit much for me.
Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
Even some market signed to enjoy the sites too.
Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
I want to switch gears a couple of things. We're
gonna have Steven Bassett on on Monday. I wanted to
get your thoughts on, you know, maybe some questions we
can ask him. But also a lot of people have
been questioning the UFO or not UFO the moon landing photos,
and it's rumored that the government is coming out with
a new documentary that's going to be admitting that at
(01:28:55):
least some of the video and photographs of the moon
landing were actually filmed in America, not that we didn't
go to the moon, but that they actually took some
staged photos. Whether or not that's true, we'll see. But
for people that are out there, they're like, well, you
can't fly through the Van Allen Belt and things of
that nature. I know that mean You've had this discussion,
(01:29:16):
and I'm still a little bit like I kind of
believe that maybe we went there, but that the photos
were fake. People have different viewpoints on different reasons. Why
multi multi angled shadows that show you know that there
was potential lighting and all sorts of interesting stuff. But
you're an expert that debunks photographs, debunks videos as being fraudulent.
As well as bart Sebral who what he is expertise
(01:29:38):
was was making reanimating, recreating those environments for movies, and
he used to be the head of NBC, and he
claimed that it was all staged in a military base,
and he actually interviewed a guy on his deathbed who
also claimed such things. But that doesn't mean it happened.
I wanted to get your opinion or view, your viewpoint.
His viewpoint was that at the very least he doesn't
(01:30:00):
believe we went to the moon, but that those photos
were staged here, or maybe we went to the moon,
but either way the photos were fake.
Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
But yeah, that's that's baloney. Okay. We not only went
to the Moon, we went several times. There are several
very good indicators. You can actually go to, uh the
l r O. L r O is Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.
Look up l r O quick Map all one word
quick q U I c k m A P l
(01:30:28):
r O Quick Map. You're going to see the moon
and you can zoom in and zoom in and zoom
in and zoom in and zoom in and zoom in
and go in all the way down to uh literally
uh just half a meter per pixel okay on the camera,
and you're gonna be able to see things that are
just just a couple of feet in size. There you go.
Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
I teach classes on the l r O quick map
and how it functions, and you can go look when
you look at the when you look in the left side,
there's a menu. You see those little icons, Well, there's menus.
You can go to anthropomorphic sites and those will show
you all the lunar landing sites you can see. Pollow eleven,
Pollow twelve, follow fourteen, follow fifteen, sixteen seventeen. You can
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see the tracks left by the astronauts and the rovers.
You can see the rovers. You can see the base
descent modules of the lunar modules, and if you're clever,
you can find the sites where the lunar module that
had the men on top of the descent module when
it went back to you know, go back up to
the orbit around the Moon and dock with the command module.
(01:31:32):
They transferred to that and then they cut this thing
loose and it went into a long spiraling orbit and
then it crashed on the Moon. You can find the
strike scars on the Moon where this thing landed, where
this thing crashed and blew up. It popped like a
balloon when it hit the Moon, and it spread data
from data spread debris from miles and miles. You can
find those scars of impact, you know, and I did.
(01:31:55):
I found those as well. So this, you know, in
a discarded stage, just sat five B stage that had
the lunar modul in it. They discarded it and they
crashed on the Moon, making its own crater. So you
can find every one of those things on the Moon.
And so we went to the Moon No doubt about it.
I had dinner with Alan Bean, okay, and Alan was
(01:32:19):
Colonel Captain Sorry, and Captain Bean was just the most
gracious person. And after coming back from the Moon, he
became an artist because what he saw on the Moon
was so striking to him, and seeing the Earth from
space was so striking that he was captivated by what's
called the overview effect. Now, Douglas Trumbull, that's right there
(01:32:40):
is Douglas Trumbull, another man who I was working with
for about ten years. Doug was part of a program
that actually studied the overview effect and how it affected astronauts,
and they created a documentary on it. It was just incredible,
how how detailed a view of the moon. We can
(01:33:03):
have these zoom in, keep zooming, okay, if he keeps zooming.
You look down at the bottom, right down there in
the bottom there you can see right the lower line
right by your microphone. Erego, you can see how many
how I can almost barely see it says zero point
five or something. You can see how how many meters
(01:33:23):
per pixel you have? Now people say, and I see
those squares, you see those are the pixels of a
less uh exactly, those squares are the pixels of a
camera that wasn't as high resolution as the l ro
So the l ro O is still making the map
to complete it. Now the Hubble Space telescope. People say,
(01:33:44):
why not point the Hubble at the Moon and just
solve this whole thing. The reason is because the pixels
of the Hubble Space telescope. When you look at the
Moon landing sites, the entire landing site is only covered
by a couple of pixels of the largest lunar landing
site right on the Hubble spa telescope. That array is
set up the way it's set up. It's set up
(01:34:04):
for deep space, long distance objects that when you look
at the Moon up close like this to see at
the level we need to see a landing site, you're
gonna end up finding that your your resolution justice and
high enough of the Hubble Space telescope because you got
to zoom in too far to be able to see
(01:34:25):
the tiny, tiny little lunar modules and tracks and rovers
and things, and they're gonna correspond to In the Apollo eleven,
the entire site was one pixel of the Hubble Space telescope,
and we know that the pixel is one color and
many pixels make up images. Okay, so what.
Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Would prevent like fake digital images in such a mark
Because you know, I like I've always believed that, you know,
like a good conspiracy, a good lie, people want to
believe it. They don't want to Like it was a
monumental time in history, we wouldn't want to believe that
it was fake. Maybe there was arms walls and they
wanted to redirect some of that funding. They had like
ten million dollars dune buggies that they they brought up there,
(01:35:06):
you know, just allegedly like a lot of money was
invested in this. And so I'm just saying, like just
being a little skeptic here, uh, you know, like we
haven't been back, are we going to go back? What's
preventing us from going back? There's a lot of questions
out there, and I can understand why some people are
skeptic in question or government, but I also understand that
you have to listen to both sides. Like when we
(01:35:27):
had Bart Sibrel on the show, I always thought that
YouTube having you both on the show to debate this
conversation would be a great show, Like people would love it.
Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
Dude, I was thinking, I was just thinking that five
minutes ago. I would love to seeart have a debate
on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Yeah, that'd be really good.
Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
It comes down to this, Okay, when you look at
when you look at whether we meant to the Moon
or not, there's a bunch of corroborating information. It shows
us that we were there. When and astronauts land out
on the Moon, they communicated with yours. Okay, we know
they were there because the signal took the amount of
(01:36:02):
time it takes for a signal to get to us
from the Moon, which.
Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
They intentionally delayed. And he has the recording that verified
NASA sent them recording saying please artificially wait on your response,
which is a real recording that NASA sent them allegedly.
You know, because regardless whatever, what.
Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
You can't fake is the fact that Russia at the
time was monitoring all our transmissions because remember it was
with Russia we were in the space race. That's true.
And the Russians recorded the transmission and guess what they did.
They called the US president to congratulate them on the
moon landing. Why because they knew we were there, Because
they were monitoring the transmissions coming from the Moon too.
(01:36:40):
This wasn't just NASA, it wasn't just the US government.
This was the world watching and listening, and Russia had
the means to find out where we were on the moon.
They knew where we landed because that's where these signals
were coming from. And they knew that. And that's why
they actually congratulated the United States because that's what we're
in this. So why don't we have a technology anymore?
(01:37:02):
You might ask, Well, that's a great question.
Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
We had older technology than now, right where like almost
one hundred years advanced and tech you think that you
know that for sure we'd be able to get there
much more efficiently.
Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
Yeah, without a doubt. And the thing was, you know
when you look at when you look at was that
like yeah, findy bit okay, Yeah, Well the bottom line
is this, we were being listened in, spied on by
the Russians consistently. Why do you think their Space Shuttle
Muran looks like our Space Shuttle because they captured and
(01:37:35):
copied plans, They did surreptitious means to get it and
try and get it into orbit before us. We didn't.
So because and here's the thing that's critical, because they
didn't do it and now we're past the shuttle. How
come Russia doesn't have a shuttle anymore. There's a facility
in Russia where there's old there's two old Muran shuttles
(01:37:59):
rotting away, just roding away. Why are they roding away?
Because Russia stopped designing and working on technology to get
to orbit that way. Instead, they just decided to use
the old venerable soyus. Keep the soy us on the
next you know whatever, the sous model they were going
to use. And they were launching from bike and ore
(01:38:21):
and that's that's how they were getting into space. And
that's become reliable. All right. Our astronauts go up on
bike and soyus. And you know, now, the question of
going to the moon is a good one. And the
reason we're not there in the moon anymore right now
is because our national priorities had changed. And when you
(01:38:42):
don't have technology or the push to use technology anymore,
you start focusing on other things. We focused on on
orbit activities. We built an entire space station up there, okay,
and that space station is massive, and we have Russia,
we have Japan, we have US, and we have other
(01:39:03):
visiting scientists on the space station. We also have two
additional folks that came up with Boeing, but tay your stuck, okay,
But the bottom line is Russia stopped developing technology because
the race was over, so there was no need to
push to go to the Moon. They focused on pushing
to go into orbit and doing manufacturing in orbit and
(01:39:24):
doing other things in orbit. And so that's why our
national priorities had changed. And so we stopped looking at
the Moon because we went there, and the people that
developed that technology passed away, and that technology today would
never be used because those were basically candles you're lighting
(01:39:44):
up underneath our human beings and firing them up into
space like you're setting them up on a shotgun shell.
And the thing was that process, even during the process
of it being utilized during the Apollo era, was starting
to show its age, and there were there there were
(01:40:06):
things that were problematic with sending people up into space
on the bottom of a giant lit Roman candle, and
so that whole process went away. Russians stopped developing a
way to go to the Moon, and so did we.
But guess what, we're back doing it, and now we're
using advanced technology. Elon Musk wants to use Starship to
(01:40:28):
take us to the Moon. I think that that may
very well work, you know, and then you could use
the starship itself if you can land it softly, you
can use the starship itself as your first moon base
because it'll be empty, you know, you can, or you'll
just drain it whatever raining fuel, just ciphon it out
or whatever. And then you can actually inflate habitats inside
(01:40:51):
of the uh the lava tubes that are underneath certain craters.
We've identified spots where that is too. I call them
inflated tats. So they're inflatable habitats. And these are big business,
you know, and a lot of people are doing them.
They're very very hard to destroy and you can't poke
a hole in them with a knife, you know, it's
(01:41:11):
just not gonna it doesn't work. So this is a
new technology that will take us back to so you see,
the old stuff would never work. Now we don't have
anyone that can even program an old flight computer anymore,
and why would we. We've advanced and we've changed our
national priorities to earth orbit activities and ocean activities too,
(01:41:33):
so we're not looking at the moon in the same
way we used to. All Right, yeah, there you go.
That's an inflated tat all right, it's one of them. Okay,
I know Bigelow has got one that I think they
actually tested on the ISS very successfully actually. So the
point is that we have new technologies we're taking advantage
of and the idea of getting out through the Van
(01:41:56):
Allen Belts. People say, oh, well, we can't leave the Earth,
you know, Well I just dismissed the people to say,
there's a dome up there and the rockets bounce off. Okay, right, Well, anyway,
when you look at the Van Allen Belts, that is
a concern, and that never stopped being a concern for
any of the US space makers. Okay. And so when
(01:42:18):
you look at what is the Van Allen Belt, Well,
it's the magnetic field of the Earth. But the magnetic
field of the Earth, which keeps us safe on the Earth,
is dangerous for us if we go into space and
travel through it. Why because that magnetic field also captures
the charged particles coming at us from the Sun. So
those particles get trapped in the Van Allen Belt and
they become a radiation belt because they're the solar wind
(01:42:41):
getting trapped in our magnetic field. But the magnetic field
isn't a big ball around the Earth, doesn't look like
that at all. It's very very thin at the poles.
Okay gets wider and it gets smaller and bigger depending
on the activity of the sun. Okay, there are times
when the ISS is traveling through an area where the
Van Allen radiation belts are kind of small sometimes and
(01:43:04):
they have to retreat into a module that's well protected.
So while they passed through it, things like that can happen.
So that all said, the Van Allen belts don't pose
a problem because when we go out of Earth orbit,
we alter the orbit so that we go out by
the poles where the Van Allen belt is the smallest,
(01:43:24):
and this means that we can actually get through it
in just a few minutes rather than you know, a
half hour of traveler. More so, that's how we minimize that.
The astronauts did it. I did for NASA's Unexplained Files.
I was their video guy too back what it was
on here, and the astronauts actually put on a helmet
(01:43:47):
and they tracked how many splashes of light they could see,
and they're retinas when they traveled through it, and they're
actually catching cosmic rays hitting him in the brain. Okay,
so they're kind of like guinea pigs. So it was
really quite enlightening. No pun intended to actually see what
these things did, you know, and how they looked. They
(01:44:10):
actually said that when they're looking out the window, they
see color and they see flashes of light in their vision.
And so the scientists and NASA developed the system to
try and track that figure out what it was. They
discovered it was cosmic rays. Okay, So obviously cosmic rays
are more more of a problem when you're out of
the protective sheath of the atmosphere than when you're in it. Right, So,
(01:44:34):
the the high part high high energy particles trapped in
the magnetic field of the Earth were actually something that
we had to avoid and get rid of as quick
as we could. We didn't want to be part of
that at all, Okay. We wanted to make sure that
we were that we were safe and that our astronauts
(01:44:56):
were safe. Rockets have to be light, they can't be
really heavy. I had giant lead shielding all around you
in a rocket because you'll never get it off the ground.
The energy budget is really really sacred for a space launch,
so they basically had to just get through it as
fast as possible. There was a real danger for the
(01:45:17):
Apollo astronauts on the Moon that while they're on the
Moon a major solar flare could occur. I think it
was even a movie about it, and I think it's
called Apollo eighteen or something like that. I conna be wrong, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
And it wasn't the one with Bruce Willis right where
he's one. I was joking, there's one where Bruce Willis
saves the planet, I think and he Oh, that was
like or something in it.
Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
And Billy Bob and you know.
Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
Stars, it's always great having you on. And uh, we're
running close to time. After this question, don I want
to plug mark stuff?
Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Oh yeah, Oh, it wasn't a question. I was just
gonna point Apollo teen was it was the horror movie
was like a found footage style film where they secretly
went back to the Moon and there was some sort
of like alien menace and and it was a good movie.
Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Yeah, so you do something really cool that nobody else
in the world really is doing that, and it's it's
fascinating and people should support you because I love space
and it just makes me feel small, and I'm okay
with that. But just how large space is and how
breathtaking spaces. It's like William Shatner when he came down
(01:46:34):
on you know, uh who is at the head of
Amazon's fallus there. I forgot what his name is. I can't.
Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
You're talking about the Blue Origin, Yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
Blue Origin, and just how crazy and how empty and
how breathtaking and how small we are compared to what's
out there. And I want to believe that there's life
out there. I do believe that there's life out there.
We'd be mathematically, you know, retarded, not to think that
the odds in.
Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
Favor as I believe.
Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
You know that, you know that there has to be
life out there. Are they visiting this planet? I believe
maybe they have in the past while searching for life.
Maybe they even seated life in this planet. But you
do something really cool called sky Tour livestream. You're also
on kg R. You have a great show on our broadcast,
and me and you have talked about doing a zodiac
sign show where we go through all the all the
(01:47:23):
stars in the zodiac signs. You've got to do that,
I think it would be huge hit. Like the little
theories and we we kind of talk the zodiac signs
and where where the origins and the House of the
Lord and the like, all the different names of them
in the Bible they call them the houses of the Lord,
and yeah, all signs or whatever. And then you know,
obviously Babylon, Greek, they all have different different zodiacs and
(01:47:45):
it's interesting to talk about those stars and what importance
they had in ancient times, and even to astrologists who
believe such things. And I support people who believe whatever
they want, doesn't mean that they're right, that it's true.
It's an interesting topic. Nonetheless, discovering the zodiac signs with
Mark D'Antonio and Christaan Eres, I think it's something that
(01:48:06):
we should definitely do and discuss the ancient history behind
it and where they came from.
Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
I agree, I agree, you know anyone, what Skypter livestream
is is we have these remote observatory actually out in
the desert west of Phoenix by about seventy five miles
or so, very dark out there. These are all images
we took with our system and actually these were taken
with the old system the new system is literally twenty
times faster and we get even better views than this.
(01:48:34):
It's incredible. But the thing is when we look at
objects in the sky now we only have to take
like a twenty second photo to show people the most
incredible stuff, like this thing here that we're looking at there.
In twenty seconds, it fills the whole image with all
kinds of beautiful, subtle detail.
Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
And Mark knows what every one of these stars are.
Every one of them at least know the name of
the galaxies or the nebula. I don't know. You have
to see. I don't understand. You're like a steel tank
in that brain to remember all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
Now.
Speaker 4 (01:49:10):
I just think that it's like like you knowing your
radio gig so well, okay, you know every aspect of
it and you know everything inside out because it's your specialty. Well,
this is my specialty. And we bring people on literally
it's called sky Tour because we take people on tours
of the universe every time they come in. We have
people come in from all over the world, you know,
(01:49:31):
and we are a nonprofit organization, so donations are always welcome,
and you know, I think that if we want to
keep going we've got another telescope that donations were that
the donations brought us and and we actually are going
to put that in in another location down in Benson, Arizona,
(01:49:52):
almost two hundred and twenty miles southeast of this location.
So we'll have two active observatories. And we're currently looking
for donations to help people or to have people help
us get into that observatory and get going. You know,
we're going to be paying like four hundred dollars a
month to be in that observatory, on top of the
(01:50:12):
Internet costs, on top of the equipment costs, on top
of building rehab costs. So we have a ways to go,
but we're really looking forward to doing it, and we're
really looking forward to being able to show people the
universe live in real time because that's what we're about.
Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
Very cool. And if you guys want that link, that
link is skytour live dot org.
Speaker 4 (01:50:32):
Is that correct, Yeah, skyterolive dot org dot com. Yeah,
either one, we.
Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
Have both, yeah, skytour live dot com. Yeah, And it's
like anything you want to know sky Tour Radio. He
talks about the stars and the sky and I took
astronomy in high school and I loved it, and I
took it in college and I went to the math
and I was like, I'm done with math. I like,
you know, it was fun watching the videos to learn
about all the planets, the distances, the moons and everything else,
(01:50:59):
but then once it came to all the math behind them,
like this is yeah, you know what.
Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
You never have to worry about that. Okay, we're not
I don't actually make people do anything with the with math.
Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
And you guys got a store there where you guys
can pick up even sky tour.
Speaker 4 (01:51:14):
Look at the sneakers. Look at look at those sneakers
are hot?
Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Man?
Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
Those yeah you'n you took that photo.
Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
Yeah, every one of these pictures we took that they're
that are on our these this equipment. We got t shirts,
we got playing cards, We've got mugs and uh, you know,
books and and all kinds of like even luggage, Okay,
sneakers and boxer shorts even you know, I mean it's
like crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
You might have to get a coffee mug. I'm not
gonna even lie sponsor. Oh you got socks. Look at
that live like a true astronaut in space.
Speaker 4 (01:51:50):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
What nebulized that Mark.
Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
And the socks. Yeah, that's the horse nebula. You know,
it's all this stuff, but like no way, so actually
we're gonna be taking pictures of that, like on the
next clear night. We may wait for it to come up.
It's in Orion, and Orion is coming up now when
you go out at night at nine pm, it'll be
right already risen in the east side of the sky.
Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
That being said, Mark D'Antonio is our guests. Make sure
you guys support them a little bit about Mark. For
those that are just tuning in or tuned in late,
I like using this bio because it's the best one.
Mark d'antano. D'Antonio has a degree in astronomy. It is
the mutual UFO Networks Chief Photo video Analyst, host of
Skytour Radio on KGRA, which hosts our broadcast as well
(01:52:36):
as Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis and a lot of
other great artists are great, I should say, radio show
hosts and hosts. The creator of a popular sky Tour
live stream with Mark d Antonio, a group of live
deep sky telescope observatories on YouTube where people can go
on clear nights to watch beautiful deep sky objects. Have
you ever got any UFOs or like unexplained things while
(01:52:57):
doing that?
Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
Yes, actually we have going to mention that, but you know,
I didn't want to in.
Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
Another show because we're running out of time.
Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
Yeah, no, but we did, and we can talk about
another time. But we actually caught something on our all skycam.
We have an all skycam too, which shows the entire
sky at once in a moment to moment, and we
caught a very strange set of objects. I caught a
re entering Chinese rocket on there. We caught the Aurora
borealis way down in Arizona. And uh, yeah, marianns he's great,
(01:53:29):
and she said, she says.
Speaker 3 (01:53:31):
She says.
Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
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Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
I've seen some of these in person. Listen marks the
personal front of mine. I miss him. I missed this
guy like he's like my brother from another mother. I
only get to see him a once or twice a year.
But you know, baby, are you doing Contact at the
Desert again this year?
Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
Is there?
Speaker 4 (01:54:27):
I was invited to speak. I'm also doing Shag Harbor
this year too, which is new.
Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Okay, well maybe we'll have to join you on one.
Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
Or both of those Nova Scotia Shag Harbor.
Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
That sounds good. All right, thanks again. Mark D'Antonio is
our guest. You're listening The Rundown Live on kg R
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That's marked Antonio's page if you want to if you
want to reach him. Was a Facebook What's Twitter? All
that kind of stuff, Mark.
Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
But yeah, Facebook, yeah, and you know, my emails and
stuff like that, I have several. You can reach us
on the skychow live dot org. I've got a contact there,
so you can reach us there as well.
Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
All Right, you guys, have good nights, Stay blessed. We'll
see you guys tomorrow. Our guests Tomorrow is what Tomorrow's Wednesday.
We don't have a guest. We might have some Apollosteria
might be joining us, who knows. I gotta reach out
to her and see if she's set up or not. Otherwise, Thursday,
for sure we have Tatiana Moros will be live either
way tomorrow, you guys, stay blessed. Thanks again, Mark d
Antonio for joining the Rundown Live secolive dot com.
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