Stewart Rhodes, Jan 6th Truth, Headlines

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founder of Both Keepers, who was convicted for seditious conspiracy
on January sixth and was suddence eighteen years in prison
and he had his sentence community by Donald Trump. And
I'll be an interesting conversation to have with him tonight.
You know, sometimes I wonder what kind of you know,

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what kind of guy is Stuart? Is he just like
an average dude that does fishing and goes hunting like
everyone else.

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Is he into reading? Maybe plays violin.

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I don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
I don't know what he does, but I guess we're
gonna find out. I'm pretty interested.

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One of my friends, Kristen Megan Kelly a front of
the show, and as you know, she's been on all
over the place right now. She was just on Savannah
Hernandez show and Owen Shroyer's show and Info Wars, and.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
She says, all over the place right now.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
She got to catch up with Stuart in Austin, Texas,
and she's like, why don't you get Stuart on the broadcast?
And us being O g Ron Paulers at least I am.
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Harris really into who he is today. Don't want to
say that. There was another broadcasters that helped. And I
listened to a ton of William Cooper, probably albout almost
about a thousand hours of William Cooper.

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You know, Alex Jones. I listened to Jones for a
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is gonna be fun, dude. I'm excited about it. There's
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difficult conversations about things like the Federal Reserve.

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people on the right don't like the Fed. Why do
we have the Fed?

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Why can we print our own money? Nobody's been able
to explain that to me yet, don I do not
understand that? And so we have this criminal element of
where does the money come from. Yesterday's show we talked
about deep underground military basis underground cities, which, by the way,

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He's a little loopy, But they're not burrowing mountains out
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That used to be Mount Weather that probably just got
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Now if I say it, they're like, I know, I know,
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don What do you characterize or are some characteristics.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Of a friend?

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Uh, well, a friend you know, you know there's somebody
that cares for you, There's somebody that you know they'll
have your back. Is somebody that you can talk to,
somebody that respects you, someone that you can trust. You know,
all these qualities are very important in friendship.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Well, okay, so other friends that you can have outside
of humanity?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Do you believe in for babies? Could could your dog
be your friend? Could your cat be your friend?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Well, of course, you know, because those relationships are still
built on trust. You know, you cultivate a relationship with
that creature. There's some sort of mutual companionship there.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
So yes, Okay, So do you think it would be
possible to develop a friendship with a machine? No, No,
you don't think so.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
No, because friendships, friendships require feelings, They require a cultivation of,
you know, a feeling of mutual camaraderie between two things.
Machines don't have feelings, and therefore you can't become friends
with one.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, because the reason why I bring that up because
something we talked about maybe four years three years ago,
don was when William Shatner went in and downloaded himself
into a computer so he could talk to generations in
the future. Right, But we're at to the to the
next level here, We're like at two point zero, and
this article came up that really brought some interest to me,

(09:52):
and I'm like, hmm, this this sounds like right up
our alley. This is breaking news happening just recently. Mark
Zuckerberg most of your friends will be AI in the future.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Gross.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Gross, you don't think that. Well, I want to ask
you something.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
If you're depressed and AI understands you and can help
you with depression, is AI that bad of a thing?
Or is it the fact that you're becoming dependent on
it much like people be dependent on a drug.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Well, we're seeing that right now with a lot of AI.
You know, we're seeing you know, a lot of these
AI chatbots and you know, celebrity AI girlfriend's boyfriends and
things really starting to take off, and it's really contributing
to the anti social behavior of society. It's sort of
contributing to this in a way, a societal rot that

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we're dealing with. When you know, people won't use the
old cliche, they won't go outside and touch some grass.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Well, maybe people just humanity doesn't understand you and you
feel like you don't belong. Instead of becoming a Pladian
star seed, you can.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Just have an eyeprinst you laugh because it's true. Just
don't feel like they belong on this planet.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
And then they think they're transalien and they're like, I'm
a Palladian star seed and you're.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Like, you're what I don't understand.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
No, I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
What do you mean you're a star seed? What the
hell is the star seed?

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Although star seeds accumulate over a billion views a billion
views a.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Year, and that's a lot of money, they won't allow
us to get a billion views. Heck, I broke the
Internet with eighteen million.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
This last summer covered the DNC getting somebody saying they
want to throw a bunch of conservatives into concentration re
education camps, you know, like and like. They just don't
want us to have that kind of because they don't
want people that grow healthy ideas in the garden in
their mind to grow non GMO ideas, which is, they
want to program you. They want to control you, they

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want to think for you. And I want to tell
you what, I don't care what our listeners think. I
think for myself. I try, I try my most. Don
does too as well. He does lot of thinking for himself,
except for wheny one, where's a Ron Paul?

Speaker 4 (12:03):
And the Fed? Sure, because we've a.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Programmed to understand the FED is bad, right, it's wrong,
it's not beneficial. But the idea that you will all
have AI friends in the future is kind of interesting
to me.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
That reminds me.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Of the TV show Altered Carbon where they have a
holographic AI friend.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Or how about Data and.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Star Trek, how about C three PO and R two
D two. We fall in love with technology through science
fiction and these movies, and we're programmed to accept them already.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah. Well, I mean with characters like C three Po
you know, they're anthropomorphized, and even with like you know,
R two detO, even though he's not anthropomorphized. You know,
these characters are made to seem as though they have
some sort of sentient hyper intelligence where they are able
to have their own consciousness, develop their own feelings. It's
almost like these characters are beyond machines. They're actually capable

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of thinking for them themselves, beyond a programming, develop their
own independent thoughts and feelings about things, when realistically that's
just not the case. It doesn't matter how advanced technology gets.
And one could even argue, I mean, we're talking about
science fiction, so I guess.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
You know, but how far are we from reality?

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Like Okay, I'm sorry, but the point that I was
getting to was that, you know, it doesn't matter how
advanced technology gets, these things will never develop you know,
an actual ability to have sentient feelings. They might develop
the ability to seem as though they can, but at
the end of the day, it's still just a program.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, okay, so how far are we from somebody who
loses a loved one and uploads all their memories into
the Internet of Things and it produces AI videos and
it helps them cope with death, and they become attached
and they feel like they love this individual, and you know,
they'll just get a sleeve or a clone body and

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just download that into another I mean, we're not there yet.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
But we're not that far away. We're not that far away.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
And the reason why I bring that up because in
another news story that's kind of right on par with
the zuck you know, he's gonna zuck it up. Here
is this article that I found today about an Arizona
man who was shot addressed his killer as AI in court,

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because now, like, that's exactly what we're talking about here.
This is the humanity. It's being used in court to
pull on the heartstrings of a jury, right, And of
course this guy was murdered and he wanted to his
wife wanted him to address his murder because she couldn't.

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She just couldn't do it, couldn't come with the words
to do it, and she wanted.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
AI to do it. So you know what she did.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
She just uploaded all this info into AI, and in
court AI presented a artificial AI generated video of him.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
That's very wild, and uh, you know, I've my feelings
of that situation are are pretty much the fact that
you know, it's I don't see how that's legally permissible.
I'm sure, you know, I'm not sure what the verdict is.
I'm assuming the killer was guilty and whatnot. But at

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the end of the day, we're using, or rather the
people who used this, they're using an artificial intelligence program
programmed with the seemingly the personality of this murder victim
to essentially come up with a script in order to
read it to, as you said, pull on the heartstrings

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of a jury. And I just don't see how it's
actually because that's we're not these aren't at the actual
faults of the actual victim. It is using technology to
present a artificial purview of this killed individual as a

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way of, you know, psychologically getting to the jury. And
I just I don't feel like that's old.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
It's interesting because when I was involved in the Kyle
Rittenhouse trial, right, I was subpoenad.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
I was a witness.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
My video was used as the dagger desoneraate. I'm at
the very end by the press, by the defense. The
prosecution called me as a witness though, which is interesting nonetheless.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
And.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Part of the issue they had during the trial right
as I covered it, you know, I got subpoenad while
I was in the middle of covering the event. You know,
they were talking about how they couldn't use images because
they enhanced the quality of the video, which created pixels
which were non existent prior. AI created the pixels to

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make it clear to and they then how can they
prove that that's what it is. AI can make it
a gun a, I can be a banana. Who knows
what AI how it. It's an interpretation that AI has
of things. So I don't know, this might have been
more of you know, he's speaking directly to the murder,
and this is his final statements. I'm not sure in

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what context really yet. In fact, I bet you Stuart Rhodes,
who's a lawyer right or as law degree, could maybe
talk on this a little bit because it's pretty interesting.
When we have him on, we could talk a little
bit about AI and the future of things. I'm kind
of interested to see his take on the constitutional constitutionality
of AI and should robots have rights? And at what

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point are they human? What point are they not? And
you know, when you start replacing body parts with the
robot parts, are you still human when you replace your
heart with a robot heart or whatever? You know, people
are talking about head transplants and all those other weird things.
We live in a very weird world.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
Done.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I don't know how.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Else take explain it, but every time I turn on
the news, whether it's the hand that detaches on its
own and you can control it with your mind or
whatever was that we talked about last week where the
girl literally the hand popped off and she could still
control the hand, like the thing from Adam's Family. You know,
it's weird to me to see this future and how

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a lot of these augmentations of the human body are
just I mean, they seem wonderful. Man if I lost
my arm, hell yeah, I'd want some like RoboCop arm
that I could just like club somebody with that they
got in my way or whatever.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Right, But then again, somebody could pull my hand off
and pull it on, you know, use it against me.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
But at some level, this technology is gonna become fully immersive,
like we're gonna have you know, a human brain in
a robot that can't be too far away, or we're
gonna download the consciousness into a computer and then bring
it over to a robot.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
So the quote, you know when we.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Talk about things with Mark Zuckerberg saying in the future, yeah,
your friends will be AI.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
I believe there's people that will believe AI is their friend.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Oh yeah, there's no doubt there's going to be people
that actually believe it.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
You know.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
The issue is, uh, you know, the fact that we're
having these Silicon Valley tech bros like Zuckerberg continuing to
push this narrative when we know what it's about. We
know it's a greater aspect of you know, the Internet
of Things, the Internet of bodies, you know, sort of
going into this uh, you know, digital dystopia that they're

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attempting to develop as a part of the Great Reset.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Which is all fascinating to me and very interesting. And
you know, these AI friends and these AI videos and
how will they be used and how do they prove it?
What's AI and what's not AI? In the future, it's
it's it's gonna be very interesting. Non I believe people
will go to jail because of fake AI videos.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, absolutely, they will be used.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I don't know if our government already can make fake
AI video is saying this person committed a crime, and
then how do you a vet that. I mean, there
has to be a way to find out what ISRAEL
and what is not because in the future it's gonna
become very blurry.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
It's already blurry with all the problemanda that we're fed.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Right, Well, I was just about to mention, so we
already have instances. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has done really excellent,
excellent work documenting this. There are already instances of police
implementing facial recognition technology that use AI to scan the
faces in their database. And we already have several documented

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cases of innocent people being falsely identified by artificial intelligence
and put in jail for crimes that they didn't commit.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Well, okay, so this brings me back to the Jeffrey
Epstein conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Right. The guy hung himself, right, and they found his
body and they showed his body. All you would need
to do is run off a facial recognition scan across
America and find some old dude in some nursing home
that doesn't have any remaining loved ones is a false positive,
and switch out as bodies and epstein to some island
where you can sip on margarinas with Osama bin Laden
and you know Saddam Hussein, right, And that's a joke,

(21:09):
But I don't truly believe that. I'm just saying the
technology is there with facial recognition, with all this, all
these different types of futuristic tools of pre crime. Fusion centers,
you know, made a data collection, right, that's the new oil,
that's the new gold, your data which they use.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
We should have free internet.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
We shouldn't pay for half the things we pay for
because they also make money off of our Meida data.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
We should get some kind of discount. You would think free.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Cable internet if you use your Meida data, or you
pay if we don't, because we're gonna make a killing
off of you selling these this data to marketing companies
so they know how to advertise you. It's wild to
me and like and on par on par with that
whole Jeffrey Epstein thing. There's been an update and our
friends over at info Wars put together this interesting article

(22:00):
breaking FBI is reviewing thousands of videos and the Jeffrey
Epstein of thousands of videos of Jeffrey Epstein with children,
and there is some very alarming videos as well, it
sounds like, and they're believing that they might be able
to identify, you know, maybe one hundred or more children

(22:24):
who have been abused.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
And I'm assuming. I wonder how much this is going
to be run through.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Facial recognition to identify who these women are, where they
are today, and who else was involved, and will it
be accurate because we talked about that where they can
take your DNA and they try to rebuild your profile
and they put in a machine and AI says, this
is what the person looks like, and it's right, maybe
you know, fifty percent of the time. How is it

(22:49):
that they're going to be able to identify some of
these people? I'm not quite sure?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Right well, I think the biggest thing that needs to
be mentioned about this is that it's yet another instance
of too much stick, not enough carrot, or no carrot there,
you know, as it were, you know, we have these
people like Pambondi stand up there and then they tell
us that they have all of this stuff, and oh,
we're going through it, and there's all of these files,

(23:15):
and there's all of these videos. And notice that they
only talk about Epstein. They don't mention, They conveniently just
obfuscate all of the numerous clients that were involved with this,
all of the people, so many in Hollywood, so many
in Congress, our sitting president having deep connections with informer presidents,

(23:39):
Congress royals. Cia mossade I made this because I saw
that Disclosed TV had shared a video of Pambondy saying
this earlier, and so I commented this on there earlier. Today,
they continue to string us along with these little sound
bites and these talking points, as if the Department of

(24:01):
Injustice is actually going to allow a Cia mossad connected pedophile,
who is connected to the sitting president, who is connected
to former presidents, various people on both sides of the
island Congress, some of the most powerful bankers in the world.
Is as if they're actually going to do something to

(24:21):
get justice for the victims that are being abused and
actually go after the until and I made this comment,
and many others made this comment as well, until we
start seeing arrests un still, until we start seeing Homeland
Security rating the headquarters of the CIA, and we start

(24:42):
seeing arrest warrants for people like Ehu Barack, who's involved
in arms, dealing with Jeffrey Epstein, who is the former
a former prominent position in the Israeli government, and numerous
of these other individuals, including the Hollywood celebrities which we
allready know we're heavily connected with Epstein. People keep, and

(25:04):
you know, myself and Derek Rose and many others have
made this point for a while now. People keep, you know, demanding,
where's the list, Show us the list, Show us the list.
There is no list. We already have all of the
information about these people, everything that everything that people really
want to know is already publicly available information. Which is

(25:24):
why when they gave us that nothing burger a couple
of months ago, with the the right wing influencers standing
out there smiling and laughing with their binders, which you know,
what kind of sick individual you just allegedly you just
look through a binder detailing all of this heinous information
of the abuse of children, and you're going to stand

(25:46):
there and do a little photo op and smile and
laugh for the cameras. That's sick. It's disgusting. So it
was obviously there's absolutely nothing in those binders. It was
nothing but a nothing. Burger point is, until we actually
see these people start going after the individuals that we
already know through publicly available information were involved in this,

(26:08):
they're nothing but a bunch of liars. They're just continuing
to string this narrative along for their own benefit.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
So it's interesting to me because it's the conservatives that
are really pushing back on this. By the way, we
got James Comer, a Kentucky Republican, said he didn't believe
the FBI has any documents, but Bondi told reporters the
FBI they're reviewing their tens of thousands of videos of
Epstein with children and child in decent exposure. And it's

(26:39):
wild to me because you know, first of all, I
sat through the trial.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
I was there five weeks in New York, one of
the only reporters that was there every day. Don was here.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I was sitting on the stenographer witness testimonies as we
deep dived in what was happening, right, And what we
found out is that there was over forty thousands I
believe was the number forty thousand images and videos on
the hard drives that they had. So there's an incredible amount,
a large amount of information that the FBI has to

(27:12):
sort through. And obviously Jeffrey Epstein is not around. He's
obviously pushing up daisies, or he's being cryonically frozen somewhere
or whatever. You know, I joke, But like elitists are
into a lot of weird things, and you know, who
wants to look through all those troves. It has to
be gut wrenching and I'm sure as a process, and

(27:35):
as we know, government is incredibly slow down. But getting
the list, we already have an idea, you know, the
less wexners of the world, a lot of these other
individuals who are involved with Epstein that were on his airplane,
the Bill Clinton Clinton, the Bill Gates, the Stephen Hawkings,
all these interesting individuals that were there, these music stars,

(27:57):
these famous individuals that went to the island and Partek
and the Debaker and partied with Epstein. You know, it's
all out there. We have an idea of who these
individuals are question is is you know, why is it
that the government is why are they dragging their feet
and will there be some kind of day of reckoning
for the people that were are involved. Are they keeping

(28:18):
it close to the chest because they don't want people
to flee America? Or are we just hoping and it's
wishful thinking in the fourth period.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
I'm not quite sure, Don Well, I would I'd certainly
say that it's probably just wishful thinking. You know, it's
people have this idea, and yeah, I wish, I truly
do wish that there was some sort of white Night
operation going on here to bring down the deep state
and that Trump is fighting for the good of the people.

(28:46):
But that's hopium. People are smoking hopium. They are deceived
and they are lying to themselves if they think that
this administration is not part and partial involved in the
cover up.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Point by, it's interesting to see because they there's a
lot of like working parts that work for and against
the current administration. And that's for any administration generally. And
I'm kind of curious to see which way this ends
up because we don't know the endgame yet. We can
wait and see and like Don says, he's he's a skeptic.

(29:20):
He doesn't think that there's something going on. I'd like
to think that what we're hearing is accurate. But the
problem is I even like to by the government so much.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Not only that I would I would love for that
to be the case. Like I said, we know that
Epstein and Maxwell and so many others, these people were
working for the Israeli government. This administration is bought and
owned by Zionists. That is non debatable. It is a fact.
And Mariam Adelson basically has Trump by the balls. There's

(29:53):
no way on God's green Earth, no matter who you
believe God to be, that this administration in Zionism and
so deeply tied to the Israeli government, is going to
actually go after the same people that Israel was using
to blackmail people all around the world. It's just not happened.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Well, we'll see, I guess time will tell.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
We'll see where this goes, and we're going to see
what other You know, It's interesting to see how they
handle the Ditty case versus the Epstein case, and how
the Diddy trial seems to get all this attention and
the Epstein trial really didn't get Like when I was there.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
There is days I was the only reporter there.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Don yeah, you know, and it's it's it speaks to
the degree with which and you know, people should take
that to consideration, the fact that now it is you know, oh,
we got it on Fox News and we got Pambondi
talking about it. And whereas the actual case itself was

(30:57):
so deeply deep covered up by the corporate media to where,
you know, as you said, you were one of the
only people there, you know, day in and day out
for the entire you know, five weeks, whereas most corporate
media showed up, they did some photo ops, and then
they dipped before the trial even started. From start to finish,

(31:21):
there has been a coordinated cover up of this information
to the point where now this is what people need
to understand. What we're seeing on at this time is
not some sort of oh the truth is finally coming
to light. This is what we've referred to as a

(31:43):
limited hangout. It is another psychological operation to keep people
stringing along a part of this Trump deception agenda that's
going on, trying to convince people that somehow the Trump
administration is different. Oh, they're not owned by the Zionists.
Oh no, they're not in bed with the deep state. Oh,
just completely ignore the builder burgers in Trump's cabinet, completely

(32:07):
ignore the military industrial complex, completely ignore all of these
things that prove this guy is just another deep shit,
deep state shill. He's literally the trump card for the
establishment to appear as a outsider renegade, to keep people
stuck in the left versus right, to keep people hating

(32:29):
Democrats and voting Republican hating Republicans and voting Democrats. It
is classic controlled opposition, and it's so tiresome trying to
have to explain this to people because it should be
common sense. But unfortunately that is the sophistication of psychological
operations that we are seeing now. We are in an
era of fifth generation warfare.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, the right left paradigm is always about tribalism. They
try to work the right towards the left, and even
if you had somebody genuine in there, it's going to
be used as an option of pins somebody against another person.
And we saw that, you know, whenever we seem to
feel like we get something from an administration, you know,
we saw it with the Antifa riots. All of a

(33:10):
sudden we have Antifa riots, George Floyd protests head out
and they try to stump things, and you know, deep
state is a real thing, like these deep agencies. There's
a lot of people that are working against the current administration.
I will agree with that. And then there's some things
there I like about the Trump administration, Like the January

(33:30):
sixth Pardons.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
I think that was something that I can agree with.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
That was a good idea getting out of the transpecific partnership.
I thought that was a great idea trying to pull
away from the EU. Now now if we're getting back
in the wars and things like that, There's some questions
I might have about it. There's some things that I bring,
you know, that concern me about the current administration. And
it's good to be skeptical. You can't sit share. Like
I always said, like Donald Trump would be the perfect

(33:56):
person to lead the world into the New World Order because.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
People would follow them.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
But at the same time, I think there's a lot
of good things that are that could have happened or
could happen. And like I said, like you know, the
January sixth was a very interesting day all around because
I was there covering events.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
You know, Yeah, and you know, that's that's what people
need to understand about controlled opposition. It's that, of course,
every administration, no matter who's in charge, they're going to
throw these little bones to the public to keep them
sucked into that fake left right dichotomy. They'll pardon the
January sixth guys because they were very much unjustly persecuted

(34:32):
by the Biden regime. They're going to you know, free
Ross Olibrit because again unjustly persecuted by every administration, including
Trump's first administration. Biden is going to in the eleventh
hour finally strike a deal to free Julian Nassange, who
people would do well to remember was being persecuted or

(34:53):
at the very least was sent to Bellmarsh under Donald
Trump's regime. So you know, it doesn't matter whom is
in charge, they're going to throw these little nuggets to
the people to keep them sucked in and say, oh, well,
they did that good thing and they did this good thing,
which yes, awesome, fantastic, But when both sides are continuing
to ultimately advance the same technicoretic agendas beyond the surface

(35:17):
level stuff, that's what people need to be paying attention
to not the little scraps they feed you from the table.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Joining us today Stewart Rhodes, a USR re paaratrooper, disabled
veteran airborne Long Range Reconnaissance unit disabled in a night
jump while doing rough terrain parachuting. He's an ex firefighter
yell log graduate and it seems like there's just about
nothing this guy hasn't done. He's a good friend of
my good friend. So Kristin Megan Kelly giving you a
shout out there. You asked for it, Well here it is.

(35:45):
And welcome to the broadcast. Stewart Rhodes, founder of Oathkeepers,
which I was a citizen member of while the organization
was at its height and so much more.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Welcome to the broadcast. And how you doing?

Speaker 6 (35:58):
Man?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Like You're stories so interesting because we've crossed paths more
times than I can count, and I don't think we've
ever met. Because I cover a lot of like rallies protests,
you know, I've covered over two hundred in the last
few years, and it's amazing the amount of people that
we know in common. Whether it's Joe Biggs, whether it's

(36:19):
Kristin Megan Kelly, whether it's the people over at in
forest like I's not going to rob you, and Rob
Do is like, oh yes, Stuart Rhoades, I think guy's
a great helped me with the law, you know, court case,
and I'm like, heck, yeah, how you doing, Stuart. Welcome
to the Rundown Live. I can't believe we haven't had
you on. We've been around for fifteen years in Milwaukee
and it's been a long time. So thank you for

(36:39):
joining us on the broadcast today.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
I appreciate it and glad to be here. I'm doing well.
I mean, every day on the side of the of
the brig wires a good day, better than in prison.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, absolutely, man, And we can dive into that a
little bit because you know a lot of people, that's
what they know.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
That's what they know you from.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Most people don't know you as as a constitutionalist or
somebody who is a supporter of Ron Paul and that background.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
What they know is January sixth. So let's start from
the beginning. How the hell did you get in and
all this? What was your great awakening moment? Like, what
was it? Because I'm an old school.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Ron Pauller and realized that you as well are old
school Ron Pauler.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
That's right. Yeah. Hey, when I first got out of
the army, a friend of my uncle handed me a
copy of Ain Rand's book Capitalism The Unknown Ideal. So
that was Robert Calhorn. That was his fault.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
He had me that book.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
And that's when I became a libertarian. And then when
I graduated from a university after this was after serving
in the military. Then I went to college and I
wanted to work for someone in Congress to go and
see DC. But I wanted to work for a sincere
constitutionalist and I can only find one that was Ron Paul.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
That's amazing, dude. Ron Paul's the man.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I remember in twenty eleven I went to Universe City
of Madison, Wisconsin to hear him speak.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
And I grew up in a very religious.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Household, so you know, we were fighting across seas, the
spread freedom and all these things. I believe the War
on drugs had to happen. These people were evil criminals.
And I started listening to Ron Paul and he really
got the hamster, you know, turning on the wheel. And
I started to think, well, who are they really hurting?
If there's no victim, where's the crime? And Also, if

(38:24):
we're spreading peace and prosperity overseas, why is that we
got blowback? Which is something Ron Paul spoke about greatly
when he was running for president, And so I found
somebody that opened my eyes, that really expanded my knowledge
and his big thing like don here my co host
on the bottom.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
He's got that old school and the FED shirt right.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
Like awesome love it. That's right in the FED in
the Yeah. What's funny is during the first the two
thousand and eight campaign, I was we took over Nevada,
all the Ron Paulers just absolutely took over the Central
Committee in Clark County, you know, the Key County, and
we were gonna take all the delegates. But we held

(39:05):
a tea party rally because what we called it. We
marched downtown to the to the IRS Courthouse of the
IRIS Building and we dumped the you know, boxes of
t or fake tea in front of the IRS building
and we were calling for and fed. So, yeah, way
back when that was the original walk away, we had
tons of Democrats crossover and vote for Ron Paul. That's

(39:26):
something that christ and I talked about at length. That's
two thousand and eight. Ron Paul and Ron Paul were
for president. He had a bunch of a bunch of
crossover votes.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Funnily enough, that was around the time because I remember
seeing that. I hadn't really got into politics at that time,
but you know, I would still you know, check in
if the news is in the background, you know, I'll
check it out. I remember seeing that story, and it's
around two thousand and eight when because I grew up
in like this you know, southern Democrat household to like Democrats,

(39:59):
but they're still like servative, and so I remember seeing
that because you know, originally I was basically at that
point just you know, in that whole conservative like mindset,
you know, or the wars and you know, screw the
you know, the war on drugs got you know, just
much like Christaan was. And then I started I saw

(40:19):
that story and I was like, huh, that seems cool
because you know, I of course I always I idolized
the Founding Fathers and the Constitution and things of that nature.
So I was like, yeah, yeah, the government is corrupt,
Yeah what are we doing in these wars? I started
listening to Ron and I saw that story. That really
began my big awakening and then around the story of

(40:42):
the dumping of the tea the talking about Yeah, I
saw that. I saw that on the news, and I
was like, huh, well, something's got to have these guys
so wild up that that they, you know, are demonstrating
like this. Let me look into this Ron Paul fella.
And then it was around twenty twelve when he ran again,
when I like fully shifted. At that point, I actually

(41:04):
got into politics, you know, just you know, starting to
learn about what my own political identity was, because, you know,
twenty twelve, shoote I just graduated high school, you know,
so I was like eighteen years old.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
Now totally I feel really frigging old man, thanks a lot.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
And hey man, you feel old. I'm pushing forty eighth
this year.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
And I'm just thinking about this because when I was
covering the Kenosha unrest, now that's five years ago, when
I was there as a first reporter on scene after
Jacob Blake got shot and I caught a cop getting
knocked out by a brick and it was on a
front page of.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Everywhere in the news.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
And then two days later, I see these kids protecting
this lot with guns and turned off to be written
house and like I start to think about that was
I was forty two.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
I'm gonna be forty eight this year. Where did the
time go?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Like like I cover all these events and these protests
and December twelfth and January sixth and all these wild
things that go on in the world, and it's like like,
what how am I leaving my you know, and when
it comes down to you, Okay, my good friend Gedwarck Griffin,
I sat down. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
You probably know Gedrioric Griffin.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Yeah, I did security for what it was, Red Pill Exposed.
It's nice at Jacko Island.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Okay, that's the one.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
I missed, So I scene the crime.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
He invited me over to his home to have wine
and we talked about this in length, this thing called
the Crusader gene, and he said, the Crusader gene is
that fire inside of you and you don't know why
it's there, but you're supposed to be doing something with
your life. And when you go and you follow that
Crusader gene, it's like the world forms around you and
things happen for you that normally wouldn't happen because you

(42:39):
are doing what the creator put you on this planet.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
To do.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
I don't know whatever you believe in, but that energy
or God or the Creator.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
He's like one of the original og red pill guys
because he was writing about and talking about this stuff
way back in the sixties. You find old video of
him when he was young saying, you know, things we
now know are he was right. He was completely spot
on about everything, and so was Ron Paul and you know,
going back, so was Franklin sadly, you know, so we

(43:09):
was Van Miesi's and all the other guys out from
the from the forties and fifties and sixties, they could
see it coming.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Yeah, and there's my Ron C.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Fagan and Anthony Hilder and you know, Jordan Maxwell, and
we got all these entry interesting intellectuals that probably cloud
you know, it's a whole different generation to think about
how these individuals crossed paths and maybe some of the conversations.
Jim Mars is another one. I remember hanging out with
Jim Mars and I kept going Welcome to Jurassic Park
because he looked like the guy from Jurassic Park and

(43:41):
meet him and shot Sean Stone is Sean Stone's like
shots because you know Sean Stone and shot stone.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
He's like, Jaeger, I need shots now, and so I'm like,
is that jam Mars?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
And we went over to jim Mars and he drink
the whiskey, and you know, we hung out a little
bit and we were talking.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
I kept and I was, I don't know, I think
I had a couple of drinks. I was like, welcome
to Jurassic Park. And he's like, you don't know how
often I hear that?

Speaker 5 (44:02):
You know, Yeah, but it is interesting that such a
small number of people, this is the point, such a
small number of people can change everything and have a
legacy far beyond them. And that's true for Ron Paul,
and I believe that's true for Trump, or potentially true

(44:22):
for Trump. The same kind of crossover that Ron Paul got.
Ron Paul would have won the nomination if it was fair.
They stole it from him. If you know the story
about the Nevada convention. But long story short, we were
going to take all the delegates to the National Convention
from Nevada. I was on the platform committee. We just dominated,
and they realized that in party leadership, all the old

(44:43):
Stabisian acts. They just decided to end the freaking convention.
They just got up and said, click click click. You know,
we're out of time. We can't use this room anymore.
Were like, what are you talking about. We're in twenty
four hour casino. And we went down to the front
desk and asked if we can keep the room logger.
They said, sure, keep it as long as you want.
But then by that time the came, people had all
fled the building to deny as the quorum and they

(45:05):
never did reconvene it that the convention. They just picked
a delegates themselves.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Well, the a lot of craziness that went on in
twenty eleven, four years later, like lights turning off and
ballots like they were doing.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Bus right, not a lot off the bush. Remember that?

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Yeah, yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
That was in Florida, right, there was a Tampa or Pensacola.
And then Ron Paul had his own rally. And the
big thing is they were trying to push at the
convention for a vote because he had enough like hidden
delegates in there that he felt like he could have
pulled off some kind of miracle. And a lot of
people didn't even know he was still running. They thought
that Mitt Romney was the nominee, but technically, by the

(45:47):
way things are set up, he wasn't the nominee, and
rinse Prebus pulled a quick one saying that you needed
what eight caucuses instead of six caucuses in order to
be considered and be nominated from the floor, and if
you would have been nominated, there's.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
I thought it went from like three to three to
five or six.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Yeah, it was something like that. Yeah, but I remember that.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
And I was a delegate for Ron Paul, so I
was a backup delegate, which I ended up not being
able to go because the person that wanted to go
was going to be there. So it was really interesting
and that was my first stint, and I sat on
the platform committee of the GOP right here in Wisconsin,
and I learned about how corrupt Wisconsin GOP politics are

(46:29):
and how Republicans don't adhere to their platform at all.
It's like we go there, we vote, we do we
get all these platforms changed and none of them. That's like, okay,
we're going to pick the three things that get me
elected and when it comes down to anything else that
might mean something like at the time, it was like
common core curriculum. We're worrying that it was like diet
communism as communitarianism, Rosa Cory, God bless your soul of

(46:50):
you and Agenda twenty one warned us all about the
communitarianism and common core curriculum and all these other things,
and now we got you know what is it's critical
racing CRT and all these other things that were really
just creating.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Activists in our high school and our colleges. College.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
The education in college has completely dissipated to where and
it's last focus on what it is. It's almost a joke.
It's like they're waiting for the robots to take over
and AI is going to just do everything. So why
bother doing anything but creating leftist activists at our universities
these days?

Speaker 5 (47:22):
Yeah, I mean it was. It wasn't that bad when
I went through college and law school. It's exponentially worse now,
but it's starting to get bad. Most of my professors
at Yale Law School, most of the students were proud,
proud Marxists. They really were so. But because it was
during the Bush administration and I'm a libertarian, I was
opposing what Bush was doing. It was unconstitutional, So they

(47:44):
all love me. You know, if I'd have been there
during the Obama administration would have been a whole different bogging,
I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
So fast forward a little bit done. Did you have
some you want to add?

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Oh well, I was just you know, just going to
say yeah, you know, Unfortunately, that is the nature of
political tribal you know, it's just very rare that you can,
you know, if you stay you know, all on the
straight and narrow and stay true to your principles. Unfortunately,
you're not going to be popular with either side of
the aisle. When they play.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Yep, it's like it's like a football game where you've
got one half of the of the stadium painted face
paint and red. There's the other half of their face
paint and blue. And when their guy's got the ball,
he can do no wrong. They don't care about the
rule book. But the other side screaming about the rule book,
that's the constitution. But when the when the ball gets
in their hands, it's exact opposite. Their guy can do

(48:33):
no wrong. And you're you know, a Nazi and a
fascist if you oppose them. So it's the same crap,
like you said, And that's what I believe. The elites
play us against each other like that and that's why
I call it the Union Party, like Patty Cannon says,
to two different wings of the same bird of prey.
That's how I look at it. I don't look at
it as Republican versus Democrat. It's the elites versus the people.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, it's a really interesting viewpoint because I used to
not believe that. And I think individual who I learned
a lot from, and he was dead already before I
even like I knew who he was, was William Cooper.
William Cooper used to do a broadcast called Hour of
the Time, and I filed a FOYA on him to
find out why he was murdered, and I got three

(49:15):
hundred pages back from the FBI discussing his entire you know,
everything that went on, from the spying, the government spent
like thousands of dollars renting out units by his house,
flying airplanes over his home, all because he thought the
Oklahoma City bombing was an inside job. That's literally that,
and his interest in the freemasonry and Illuminati, literally three

(49:36):
hundred pages of that, and you know, his cadgy members,
And it was interesting, but that's the whole side story.
I found it very fascinating though that this concept of
this elitist coming together meeting at Bilderberg.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
So in twenty.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Seventeen, I went to verify that there was a thing
called Bilderberg. Right I went, I saw Henry Kissinger started
taking photographs. I hit up, I recorded some of the
members asked him quite It's funny because I asked them
what they were doing, and the Germans said that they
were talking about how to reveal the aliens to them
to the world, and I thought they were joking.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
I thought they're joking. But now they're talking about ufhone.
It's all a big syop.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
You know, everything the government that's coming out is probably
just a big as Donald call it.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
It's limited hangout, you know, it's just, you know, it's just.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
They want to control the aspect of the origin story
is what it comes to, because if it's aliens, well,
that could describe all aliens seated the planet.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
There is no creed exactly. And speaking of limited hangouts
controlling the narrative, look at the twenty twenty election. Yeah,
after the election's over in February twenty twenty one, after
they pulled the coup, they wrote that article on Time
magazine that's a limited hangout. You know, they pretty much
admit they were in a conspiracy all through twenty twenty.

(50:48):
They said, we will organize very well, finance both Democrats
and Republicans using a Chamber of commerce fall things, and
then Zuckerber's money to you know, to save democracy by
what they say, by changing the voting methods during a pandemic.
So they just basically admitted that, yes, everything we were

(51:09):
saying is true. They used COVID nineteen as their excuse
to violate state election laws directly, grossly, especially in the
Swing states, bringing massive mail in ballots, unsecure drop bockets boxes,
no chance of custody for any of the votes, and
use that to pad the vote. You know, that's what
I say. Biden got fifteen million more votes than Obama

(51:31):
ever got, than Hillary ever got, and that turns out
fifteen million more votes than Kamala got. So that huge
spike with Biden getting all those votes. They explained it
a way as hey, people just responded to our saving
of democracy during.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
The pandemic and was finally another thing that a lot
of people don't realize is in the Swing states, they
specifically targeted them and even though they had enough signatures.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
The Green Party was removed.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
They're booted off of Pennsylvania, out of Wisconsin and Wisconsin
and won by I think less than ten thousand votes,
and the Green Party usually accumulates twenty thousand votes.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
You do the math.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
You know, it's interesting all the different shenanigans. And they
had enough signatures to be on the ballot, but the
state Supreme Court justice, who was a conservative at the time,
did not approve them to be on the ballots. So
guess where those votes went, Probably not to Donald Trump.
Just saying interesting things I noticed, right.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
You know, he's a UNIP. Like I said, it's a
Uni party. I don't care if the Republican judge, if
he's doing the bidding and the deep state, he's one
of them. If he's doing things that are helping them,
he's one of them.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
And you know, well, I was gonna say so. It's
it's so interesting really because you know, we really are
at this apex where now more people are starting to
actually get it of just how controlled you know, our
elections are by this you know, deep state Uni party.
You know these Builderberg people that I mean, they're even

(52:53):
sitting in Trump's administration. You know, it's it's so wild.
But if we look back at the history, you know,
there's ftastic reporting from Seymour Hirsch way back in the
day where he showed that even you know, John F. Kennedy,
who I greatly admired despite his faults that I have
also heavily criticized, even he had help from the mafia
to win in nineteen sixties.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
So he did, and that's why the mom fell up
a trade and that's why they helped kill him. Yeah,
exactly because he sicked his brother on when he got
in office, exactly, like, hey, wait a minute, he was
supposed to do that. So he refused to be the
puppet of the military industrial complex and the mob and
the CIA all of that.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, well, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I spent a week with his alleged former lover, Judith Baker,
and I spent some time with Saint John Hunt, who
is Howard Hunt's kid. You know, he's a former director
of the CIA, And you know, he had some deathbed
confessionals that were very interesting as his role as a
benchwarmer in the whole assassination plot of GfK, and he

(53:56):
admitted to the fact that the CIA was responsible and
until the Zach Bruder film came out and all that
stuff that was seen twenty years later, twenty years before
anyone actually saw video footage of JFK being shot, and
then that's when we realized his head went back into
the left. And we're still kind of kind of hazy
on how everything happened. We just kind of know that

(54:17):
our government was most likely behind that and the Martin
Luther King assassination. There's no doubt there that he probably
was murdered in the hospital at.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
And Bobby Kennedy, I mean Bobby Kennedy, he was gonna
win in sixty eight, and he would have if he won,
because he's president. Because the president's absolute power. Did he
classify anything. He would have gone back and investigated his
brother's death and blown the doors open and exposed it.
That's why they got rid of him.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
And I have a feeling it's also similar as to
why John Kennedy Junior was ultimately killed, because of course
we know there's that story that he was sitting in
the New York Senate seat that of all people Hillary
Clinton wanted, you know, And it's in my opinion at
least John Junior is just another one of the many
people on the Clinton body count list that ended up

(55:07):
in that wretched woman's crosshairs.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
And Larry Nichols on the show too.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah, before he died, and he said that the Clinton's
would find out which FBI agents were most likely to
be blackmailed, and they would get them in prominent positions
because they know that they could be controlled assets, and
they would call the FBI files on them to find
that out.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
And they would do that.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
And so it doesn't surprise me that Clinton was coosing
up with Jeffrey Epstein for extartion information and probably to
get his Willie wet per se well.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
I mean, I believe Epstein was part of a broader
five eyes, you know, a bigger blackmail campaign run by
the CIA and all the other intelligent Janss around the
world control all these politicians, politicians, business leaders. It's the
same thing that Jagger Hoover did with he was an
FBI director right in there for life as a cross dresser,

(56:03):
a known cross dresser. No one tried to fire him
because they had he had the dirt on them all.
I think the CIA picked up that same tactic and
ran with it with the NSA and total surveillance. Now
they have dirt all these people. That's how they control them.
That's why in twenty twenty I wrote open letters President
Trump urging him to use his power to declassify, to
expose all the dirt, all the corruption, the same thing

(56:25):
that Elon Musk ended up doing with Twitter, throw the
doors open and show all the backroom dealing. He could
have done that, and he still can right now with
all the dirt that's being held by the intelligence adencies,
and I think he still should so as I'm concerned,
that's the best way to expose the deep state. I'm
sure Julian thess Songs would agree. I said he's trying
to do with Wiki leaps. I'm sure Edward Snowden would agree.

(56:46):
They tried to expose this stuff and they got accused
of crimes. President Trump, though, he can do it without
being accused of crime because he's the President of the
United States. So I really think right now we need
to push him to do that declassification and exposure.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yeah, speaking of the Epstein's Five Eyes connections, have you
read Whitney Webb's book One Nation Under Blackmails? She has
two volumes of it, and it's just it's a fantastic
work where she really does.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
I didn't even know that existed, but now I know.
I'll yeah, yeah, I mean, I've been gone for three years.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
What have you been doing? Man?

Speaker 5 (57:20):
You come on, I gotta I know, I gotta catch up.
I got to catch up about a year. But you're
in solitary confinement, including pre trial.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
So let's let's talk about this a little bit. So
you started, let's move a little bit forward. Oath keepers, right,
A lot of people out there think it's a militia,
but I think it's misunderstood. I thought it was just
an organization that would not break their oath, and that
was a commitment that if our government turned rogue, then
it would be kind of a pseudo militia.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
But in the meantime it was no.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
Actually, the real mission was as I was a paratrooper
and a firefighter, so the mission was for US veterans
to reach out to the current serving remind him of
their obligations to say no and stand down if given
unlawful orders, like all the unconsoleituitional gun confiscation that happened
with urriy Kay Katrina, a big, big, good example of
domestic use of law enforcement and military where people's rights

(58:08):
were violated. So that's the first thing is reach out
to the current serving called it reach teaching and inspire.
Reach out to them teaching about the constitution he's sworn
out to defend, and inspire them to keep that oath.
But for us veterans, I said, hey, you're on the
hook too, man. Until you expire, your o still good
until you're You're hope's not expiring until you expire. As
long as you're on the side of the grass. You

(58:29):
have an obligation to defend the constitution. Well, how do
we do that as veterans. So one thing we came
to the conclusion of is first we speak out. We
praised Edward Snowed and as a whistleblower. We put billboards
all over the metro like electronic billboards in the metro
stops all over DC, especially around the CIA and the
FBI headquarters. We said, hey, we want you guys do
the same thing at Snowed and did. He did the

(58:50):
right thing. He blew the whistle on unconstitutional surveillance. We
praised the Weeklies founder Julian Massage. So we put billboards
outside of military, but we also defended people, defending people's rights,
like furing the rights in Ferguson. We defended the rights
of the people that had businesses and homes there, but
we also defended the rights of the protesters. We called

(59:12):
out the police for doing it wrong, saying you're violating
the rights by tear gasing the whole crowd. We said
the curfew is unconstitutional. It's the First Amendment. So we
said the better way to do it had my cops
right up. Here's how we should be doing it, or
the cops should be doing it. You target only the
ones making trouble, you go arrest them. You don't arrest
the whole crowd. You don't ban the whole crowd being

(59:34):
in the street with a curfew. You don't gas the
whole crowd, and you don't point rifles at the whole crowd.
You selectively pick out, have undercover officers go in the
crowd and find the guys who are throwing the molestyle,
contails or the bricks, and that's so you arrest. So
that's what we did. So we stood up for the
rights of even people we disagreed with you. I think
from a very beginning, black lives matter, the Communist's Front.

(59:55):
We had communists a lot of the times, white communists
coming in the Ferguson assembling motole cocktails and handing them
out and encouraging people to throw them around, encouraging people
to burn down their own neighborhood. These are a bad
actors from out of the area. I'm sure you saw
the same thing in Kenosha, right with Writenham.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Yeah, I was there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I was also at the George Floyd protests and I
recorded people on crotch rockets that were professionals. They would
drive their crotch rockets in a building, started on fire,
drive out the crotch rocket, throw it into a pickup
truck with a cab on the top, so that the
drones that were flying over the cops had drones flying
overneath or over everyone to monitor it. And while people
are shooting fireworks at the drones, they were driving around

(01:00:35):
to their next target. It was like these locations were
strategically targeted too. It wasn't like by chance. It was
almost like they were prime retail locations. And I don't
want to get into the conspiracy behind it, but I
do feel like there was an outside source that was
aided that was hired, and they started fires in just minutes.
And now how I could tell the difference is it

(01:00:56):
took them about four hours to start the precinct on fire.
They had no idea what they were doing in there
right to start the precinct on fire. But these other
guys I got on video instantly there was it's like, whoa,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
That's right, that's what we saw too. We saw all
over the country. You see the same thing, like the palette,
loads of bricks appearing out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yep, right, yea.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
It happened all over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
We saw that Kenosha too, and it was like, well,
they're saying it's a rubble from the debris or whatever.
But like those those panetts weren't there just yesterday. You know,
it's interesting how they appeared. And I know that was
a big conspiracy. The biggest conspiracy around the Kenosha was
the fact that they on camera admitted that law enforcement

(01:01:40):
said and rolled up to them that they're going to
push the protesters down their way so they could deal
with them whatever that means. That's what they told Rittenhouse
and his cohorts, and that that that came on in
court too.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
And I said it. I have it on video to
this date. So it's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
Well, I saw a video of a leftist pull an
air fifteen out and shoot it armed personnel carrier, one
of the police armed personnel carriers. They were, they had,
they were armed in condition. Left was armed too.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
No, and Wisconsin Republicans and Democrats have guns, we go hunting.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
I'm understanding they were. They were using them against the police.
What I'm saying, yeah, under fire. So but I mean, hey,
man Brittenhouse, I got to give props to that kid.
He did amazingly well under duress under this. I mean,
you should not have been by himself. That was a mistake.
He should have had a battle, buddy. You know, we're
getting it afterwards. He should have had a backpack with

(01:02:32):
him with a change of clothes, a huge hoodie or
something that he could have put on to egress and
get get the heck out of dodge, you know. But
he was. He was marked by them, They went after him,
and I think what he did was righteous self defense obviously,
and the jury creed. So he did very well actually,
for someone that was pretty much self trained. He reacted
very calmly under.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
That, not to mention just his marksmanship in general. I
mean to be able not to glorify someone, right, but
to hit that shot in that scenario, man, Greg.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
Only his only I'll take this. Let's say when you
shout the one guy in the arm that was a
kind of pistol pointing at his head, the so called
e MT, he was pointing a pistol Written else was
about to kill him, and he shot him in the
arm and you know, blew his bicep off.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
That was about you know, ten yards from that when
that happened.

Speaker 6 (01:03:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
I also captured what the senior talking about with the
air or the guns shooting at the bearcat, the leftists
that were firing onto it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
I actually captured that video to as well as the cops.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Handing out water bottles. And my video was one of
two that was used to identify Writtenhouse. It was a
very crazy night, dude. I can tell you that I
didn't know what was going to happen, as I know
as the cop. The cops keptoing the protesters past the
armed citizens that night. And it is interesting, and that
was after the fact they told me on camera that
they were told that they're going to send them down

(01:03:57):
their way to deal with them. I said, just stand
your property and mind your own business, will be no problem.
They're here not They're not here for you. They're here
because of the George. You know that it was a
Jacob Blake getting shot in the back seven times. You know,
it was an interesting situation. But that that's what brought
me to December twelfth, which was a crazy uh weekend
in d C where the Proud Boys marched on d

(01:04:20):
C and there was probably I would say a good
four thousand of them and they were chanting f Antifa
downtown and I think it's for the first time ever,
it was like Gangs of New York. We're marching down
these little alleyways and then they were sneaking around and
we they they found a way to approach Antifa outside
of the cops, because the cops were forming a wall

(01:04:41):
protecting these kids right from engaging with the right.

Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Finally had like a moment.

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
Where it was crazy, they're trying to keep them apart.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Right, They're trying to keep them apart. I guess that's
what I was trying to say.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
And they kept having to move and shift and it
was a wild night. I know some people got stabbed,
and it was just wid wild on December twelfth, which
you know I covered that night. I'm on a good
friend Ford Fischer was there as well. A lot of
the people that I knew from Kenosha already you know
that came down there were down there. Uh, And it
was a wild night that night. I remember that, you know,

(01:05:15):
it was pretty interesting. I ran the Joe Biggs that night.
I think I bought him a beer, you know, I said, hey,
what's up, Joe Biggs. I knew him because he was
at in Flores and he came to Milwaukee during the
Sherman Park protests.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
So you know that's that's my uh, you know, length
of knowing Bigs.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
Well, it's just for background though. All through Trump's administration,
starting at his inauguration, we were in DC on the
streets and his inauguration. From from that day on, the
left was attacking Trump supporters relentlessly all across the country,
trying to shut down their free speech with force, trying
to cancel events, which unfortunately were successful at a lot

(01:05:51):
of times. But we saw like the first one we
saw was the downtown Berkeley rally, where the cops stood
back and let antie for rushing in the park with
clubs and assault people. And that's where base stick Man
came about. Remember that guy. So he was one of
the guys that went there with a homemade shield and
a club, and he was a big, strong guy and

(01:06:11):
he took it to Antifa. So we watched that though,
we watched women being beat and we're like, okay, no
more of that. So the next one that was held
in the park, like a month later, we were there.
We did security for the event, and I believe the
Proud Boys showed up also, a bunch of bikers, bikers
were trump showed up. A bunch of guys came in
and helped, and we secured the event. And there was

(01:06:33):
chaos in the streets, like street fighting going on all
around the event, but the event itself, not a hair
in their heads got touched. It was very very calm
in the park. And so that was a success for us.
We kept everybody safe, no one got hurt, the event
was not canceled, and the cops did better. We give
him about a C grade. There was another rally about
three weeks later in the same park, same place, and

(01:06:55):
this time the cops would give him an a grade
because the cops wouldn't even let Antifa march from the
Berkeley campus to the park. They stopped them before they
even got there. We never even saw them. So the
cops did the right thing on the third time around.
So it was one of the benefits of us bringing
We had retired police officers and were carrying guns because
they can't carry guns anywhere they want to, so we

(01:07:17):
were there with our cops. The cops don't want to
see other cops hurt. They know also, our cops are armed,
and they know that if hey, if some Antifa idiot
with a bikelock tries to smash and retire sheriff deputy
in his sixties in the head with a bikelock, he's
going to get shot. That's lethal force, you know. He
gets hard obgy against your head. So my long story

(01:07:37):
short is that because our guys got involved like that
and the Proud Boys helped us, they were working right
with us. They did a great job. The cops did
more and better work when we were there than if
we were not there. If we'd not been there, across
the country, the cops were standing back, just as we
saw during twenty twenty stand on or Is being given

(01:07:58):
ANTIFA and BLM running riot, murdering people, burning downtowns, and
taking over territory. That's what they're going to do in
Berkeley if we hadn't been there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Yeah, it's interesting because in Charlottesville, the copspeak it basically
orchestrated the catastrophe there. They funneled everyone in there. They
had a brave heart moment and it didn't turn out
very well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
And I think it's interesting because they there's a there's
a form of police policing they'd call accelerationism where they
believe that if the protest gets any bigger, I'll get
out of hand. So they cause the friction to give
them justification to shut it down, or they they become
you know, they break windows, they do whatever they got
to do to get the events shut down, and they

(01:08:42):
instigate I guess they And.

Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
Let's be real, man, a lot of the white supremisist
groups are run by the freaking FBI. Yeah. Yeah, and
they bring them in there and amplify. And what they
do is ramp up with the fear, back to that
divide and conquer thing. They're wrapping up the fear on
the left to say they put up guys that are
and run around tiky torches and throwing up Roman salutes
and like, oh and so the people on the left
foot will see they really are Nazis, and so, you know,

(01:09:08):
then they put us all in the same bucket. It's
called conflation, where all of them are Nazis. That's why
I told with oathkeepers we were we stayed away from Charlottesville.
I told my guys, I knew the organizers and a
lot of the main groups were going to be there, Like,
you know, David Duke's giving a speech. I don't want
to be anywhere near David Due. So we just said
we say the freaking hell out of there, because I
knew it was going to be It's like this false

(01:09:30):
optic setup to amplify the impression that, oh, the right
really is racist. So half the country, you know, Black
Americans and Hispanic Americans, and that's what the left wants
to them to believes, like, oh see, we told you
so that this feeds and narratives. Why would you want
to help that. But that's what they do. They pump
up both sides. They'll pick some really awful group on

(01:09:52):
this side, really awful group on this side, and they
amplifying them so that both sides look and say, yeah,
see there's confirmation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Well, I mean that was the whole agenda behind the
Obama era, you know, the demonization of Confederate history and monuments.
I mean, because oh, tab Martin, that could be my son,
you know. But but you know, so like of course,
you know, growing up here in Virginia, my state, with
having such a you know, such a rich history, you know,
I spent such a profound amount of time, especially in

(01:10:23):
my youth, studying the Civil War, and I dislike the
fact that there's this narrative of like, oh, if you
have any sort of ulterior understanding of facts, then you're,
you know, you're just a neo Confederate apologist, which is nonsense.
Because my whole thing that I tell the leftists because
they tend to be, at least some of them smart
enough to understand that our government lies to us to

(01:10:43):
get us into wars Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, all of that.
And I bring up to them, I was like, so
you mean to tell me you believe the government has
lied to you about every other war except the Civil War.
That's the one they told you. The total truth about so.
I always point people towards Thomas De Lorenzo's book The
Real Lincoln, The Truth Behind Abraham Lincoln in an Unnecessary War.

(01:11:05):
I don't know if you've read it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
Loved that book, No, well not, But when I was
researching my major paper at UO Law School in in
Combatant Status, Lincoln's the first one to do that. He's
the first president to apply the laws of war to
American citizens, you know, to treat you know, American sitizors
in the North as though they were part of the
breakaway South, and held them in military jurisdiction, military attention

(01:11:29):
for years, like fifteen thousand of them. I believe about
five thousand of the were put on trial. And that's
the case that the Supreme Court rule that was unconstitutional.
The next party, Milligan, So so he was a Supreme
Court case after Lincoln was assassinated, after the war was over,
that rule that Lincoln had violated the Constitution. It's it's
not an argument, it's been settled. He did way beyond

(01:11:52):
Haby's suspension. People look at haby suspension, that's nothing compared
to what he did.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Yeah, were deported American citizens. There was one unrepresentative from
Ohio that he had deported to Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
And you know, Thomas Dilrenzo's book really does a great job,
particularly the updated version, because he got a lot of
unjust criticism from people still like propagating the official narrative
of the Civil War it was all about slavery until
you actually look at all the rest of the facts
of you know, that conflict, I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:12:25):
Wars no matter called the Meryl tariff, the Meryl traioff right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Yeah, the moral tariff. Yeah, it's one of those things
where it's like it doesn't matter even if we look
back five thousand years ago. Wars are always fought for power,
for control, for money. You know, it's it's always way
more than the surface level.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
Brig is full circle, bring a full circle the nine
to eleven in the War on Terror, yep, right, you know, look,
look what's happened since then. I remember after I started
Oathkeepers about a gun show. It's like twenty fourteen and
I'm talking to a warrant officer just came back from Afghanistan,
and he shows me pictures of all the wrecked Russian

(01:13:04):
equipment that they left behind when they left Afghanistan. In
a hurry and his graveyard of tanks and trucks, just
miles and artiller pieces. And he said see that. I said, yeah,
he said that's going to be us soon. We're going
to do the same exact thing. Look at what we did.
Then what happened? He was right, he said, he said,
all this has done is to stabilize the entire Middle East,

(01:13:24):
radicalized and allowed like ISIS and radical islamisays to take
over in multiple countries. So he says, all this is
really done is to stabilize and radicalize the Middle East.
And then what happened. He created this dysphoria where you
got people from the Middle East being spread all over
Europe and all over the United States, and quite a
few of them are radicalized.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
There is Goddess and ISIS proxy literally just take took
over Damascus in Syria just this past November. I mean,
we literally have al Qaeda ISIS terrorists now running Syria,
which is exactly what our government wanted.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
It's interesting because I remember reading articles that we were
training ISIS in Jordan, and while they're saying that we're
an attack was imminent on the United States by these organizations,
And why were we training.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
Them, giving them weapons, and teaching them how to do
it right.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
And then and then you have the Biden administration letting
from the border wide open and letting absolutely anybody come
across military age males from all over the world, including
from terres sponsoring nations.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
But you're dunk grabbed at the TSA. Just remember that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
I still get a quads that I fly even now.
I get the SSSS Super Sexy Secret Squirrel or whatever
it stands for. But I I can't even get my
ticket until they call DHS and TSA and get permission.
I'm on the no fly without permission list to this day.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
So there's a no fly list in the United States now.
And that's crazy because I remember hearing about that in China.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
If your citizens and credit score is not high, en fly.
But it's slowly coming here, Oh slowly, it's already here.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
I was completely In twenty twenty, we had a oath
keepers with a f platformed one day like a nine
of the long nights for US. We had a half
a million followers and a face Facebook page one, hundreds
of state pages and local pages boom, all gone in
one instant, and anyone who was a moderator on any
of those pages. They lost their personal pages, all their
family photos, everything gone. Wow. So we were purged off

(01:15:26):
of Facebook, and then we were purged off of Twitter,
and then we were purged even Discord wouldn't let us
have a frigging account. We couldn't even organize on Discord.
And that's why we started using a signal. So and
then of course after we're arrested because we're using signal
for our security chats from our security operations in DC.
On January the sixth, we were there to do security

(01:15:47):
for two permitted events on Capitol grounds, one for Latinos
for Trump, the other one for Ali Alexander's event right
there on the East Capitol lawn. But afterwards, when they
were going after us, they're like, oh, look they use signal.
They're trying to hide their ex communications. Like how else
can we communicate? You've got to do platform in US
from everything else, we have telegram and signal. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Yeah, Okay, So January sixth, I was there covering the event,
and I guess a couple of questions I have for
our listeners out there, what did the government accuse you of?
And how would you say that they miscarried characterized what
you did on that day in January sixth, in your opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
They accused us of seditious conspiracy, which, going back to Lincoln,
was a Civil War statue passed by the Republicans. They
didn't want to monkey around with treason because the treason
clause is pretty clear. Treason is defined as making war
against the United States for aiding its enemies. The treason
clause requires two witnesses to the same overt act or

(01:16:46):
confession and open core so over it acts. So the
citizens conspiracy statute they passed during the Civil War got
rid of the requirement for an overt act of any kind.
There's no act element this conspiracy statute, unlike most conspiracy statutes.
It just says if you find that two people or

(01:17:07):
more had a meeting of the minds an agreement to
resist with force the US government, you may find them
guilty of seditions conspiracy. That's it. That's all it says.
So two guys talking about guns, Hey, if they come
from my guns, I'm going to give them bullets first
for my cold dead hands. And his buddy says, yeah,

(01:17:27):
I agree, right, there's a conspiracy. They just agreed that
they're going to resist with force the authority of the
US government. So that's the thing they threw at us.
But what did we actually do that day? Security and
some of our guys who were doing security. The east
doors opened. This is twenty minutes after Congress recessed. Our
guys didn't go into the Capitol until twenty minutes later.

(01:17:49):
And they didn't go through doors that they breached or anything.
They didn't break any doors. They were standing there on
the east steps. The doors pop up and from the
inside they get funneled in like a toothpaste too. You know,
you can't help but go in and you've got a
crowd pushing you in. They went in through these two
huge doors. They went inside, had a prayer circle, and
then they helped the police. Wow, what a conspiracy, right,

(01:18:12):
this is like? So they went the first ones in.
Other people have been in there at least twenty five
minutes before. So they didn't lead anything, they didn't breach anything,
and they didn't stop anything because Congress was already recessed.
So that's my plan, I mean, it's the insults of
my competency as an airborn infantry soldier suggests that was

(01:18:35):
my plan to send my guys in to wander around
and do a prayer circle and help the cops. Unarmed, yeah,
unarmed yeah. Don't bring any guns, livy guns in the
hotel in Virginia. Obey all the laws in DC is
as dumb as they are. Obey them all. That's my plan.
Come on. And the guy leading it was Kelly Meggs,
who was a car salesman from Florida. Nice guy. He

(01:18:58):
used to be a bouncer, big guy, like six foot five,
big dude, but not the most well trained guy in
d C. I had Jeremy Brown, a Special Forces veteran
f for Florida, was with us that day too, talk
about it, and he used him as my team leader.
And at that time when they were going into the Capitol,
unbeknownst to him, Jeremy Brown was escorting an old lady
back to her hotel room. So what kind of plan

(01:19:20):
is that? I had an explosive expert, Michael Green's overall
and a very well trained private security guy. But he
was an explosive expert in the army, a sapper. How
Come I didn't put him in the capitol. He didn't
go inside. So if I was really trying to attack
the Capitol that day. It would have been like this.
I'd have had Michael Green make a bunch of IED's,

(01:19:41):
a bunch of car bombs, and I certainly would have
brought guns, and I would have put my Special Forces
combat vet in charge of the assault. That's how it
would have gone if I actually wanted to take over
Congress and we had taken it over and held it. So,
but that's why we were there. I'm just saying, it's
an insult to our competency and it's an insult to
common sense.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Really well, I want to put a piece of the
puzzle together for you, because on December thirty, first seven
days prior, I was watching Antifa, and Antifa put up
an airtable account and I was the only person that
I know of that captured this.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
I screenshoted it and it had over one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Hundred or probably about two I think it was two
hundred and fifty top conservative and independent activists pictures of them,
and it said report whereabouts on ja January sixth, So
you could literally press the button and let them know
where you identified these people on January sixth meeting. Yeah,
I still have the video of it like because I

(01:20:34):
did a show on it and it had like everybody's pictures,
all the influencers, bigs, you guys, and it was all
the same people in majority that ended up on the
FBI Most.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
Wanted list after January sixth.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
So Antifa, in my opinion, infiltrated and then sat there
and encouraged the violence film to use Bolshevik tactics to
weaponize the law enforcement to go after their political adversaries.

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
Worse than that, I think there were elements of law
enforcement involved. I believe the CIA was involved. They do
the same thing. It's it's you go back, look at
look at a Jeffrey mccallops Special Forces veterans. He's looked
a lot a lot of the videos. I haven't seen
yet because I just got out, but he was able
to look at all the videos and he's like, Okay,
here's this team of military trained men, obviously military trained,

(01:21:20):
running around in the crowd, you know, getting people to
do things. That's one element of it. And here's these
guys that are obviously Antifa, just like Trump supporters, they're
part of it too. So yes, I think it's Antifa
is a part of it, but also federal contractors, military contractors,
and among the police teams of police officers who were

(01:21:41):
tasked that day with stirring up and disrupting the crowd.
So the crowd is being antagonized and provoked from both finds. Absolutely,
So we.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Know also that there was a of course, I don't
have the information in front of me. We've covered this
on this show a couple of times. We know at
one point there was a stand down or given I
believe to the Capitol Police. I read an article it
was either Washington Post New York Times, where the commander
of the Capitol Police who was who was there that day,

(01:22:12):
I think he later he retired shortly thereafter, if I
remember correctly, and then openly admitted like, yeah, we were
told to stand down. I was constantly telling them I
need back up, this is getting out of control, send
some more people out here, and they basically told me no.
And then, of course, we know, you know, to your
point about you know, CIA involvement or you know, some

(01:22:34):
sort of element of that. We know that one of
the large groups of protesters was also being led in
or at least led to the grounds. I don't know
if they went inside the Capitol, but one of their
primary organizers was a very recently retired Army ssyops officer.
I'm not sure if you're even aware of that, but
you know that. Yeah, yeah, her name. I don't remember.

(01:22:59):
We covered it. We covered like a year ago on
this show, and so I can't remember.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
I got to catch up. I got to go back
and look at your shows. Please please, please me. I
want to see that one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
Question this old show too, from the New Year's Eve
while we talk here.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Yeah, the one question that I did have because obviously
we know, you know, there were numerous agent provocateurs and
then around the crowd obviously some of them likely as
you mentioned, embedded in police. We know that, uh, in
previous riots, like during twenty twenty in the Black Lives
Matter groups that you know, uh, Max Blumenthal at one
point he got video of I don't remember where this was,

(01:23:42):
but it was I believe it was either New York
or some somewhere in the New England area, but he
got video of local police in like black block, you know, Antifa,
just all black going in and basically, you know, then
that peaceful protest turned into a riot. And so one
question I wanted to host to you because I know
some people have brought this up. I'd like to get

(01:24:04):
your opinion on like people like Ray Epps, because I
know that they have. You know, people have questioned his
activities on that day or are you concerned at all
that there were elements of oathkeepers that may have been compromised.

Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
Oh, I know they weren't may about it. At my trial,
we're about to call and I'm still under a gag order.
The judge put a gag order on me disclosing this
person's name. But at my trial, I was going to
call a high level oathkeeper. There's a witness, and then
the prosecutor prosecution was forced to say, well, actually that

(01:24:42):
person works for us. I was like, you're what, So
it turns out this is a high level oathkeeper. I just,
you know, I don't want to put myself at risk
of being thrown back in jail over this nonsense by
the judge. But yeah, this person has been since least
August with twenty twenty and been recruited. And my lawyers
said that they believe he was being paid about six

(01:25:03):
thousand dollars a month to be an informed for the FBI.
So yes, absolutely, And they tried to recruit Jeremy Brown.
Remember they went to his house and tried to recruit him,
and he recorded their attempt to recruit him and do
his credit and exposed it, blew the whistle on it.
But they did, in fact, which we found out at
my trial, and recruit a high level oathkeeper to turn

(01:25:24):
on us. That's reality now, Ray Epps Ray Apps had
one time. I've been an oathkeeper Arizona chapter leader. I
believe he left in twenty and eleven. I think it was.
I hadn't seen him since, but I saw, you know,
after the fact, saw the video him the night of
the fifth saying tomorrow, we've got to go into the capital.
So I'm like, what's the deal. He's He's on video

(01:25:45):
doing what I was accused of doing. He's on video
telling people we need to get together and go inside
the capitol. And yet he's not sitting next to me
at trial. That's what made me wondering. You would think
he'd be sitting right next to music code Thomas Calwell.
He was never even a member of oath keepers, got
looped in as a Code defendant at my trial, sitting

(01:26:06):
there at the table with me because he happened to
be in a chat with Jessica Watkins, one of our oathkeepers.
They looped him right in, no problem at all based
on a chat. What about ray Epps. He's on on
screen on video doing what we were accused of. The
next day, he's on video in DC pointing to the
Capitol and saying, there's where your problems are. You need

(01:26:27):
to go that way. And then he's on video whispering
in Ryan Sansel's ear. From Ryan Sansel turns his hat
on backwards and shoves over the first barricade. You would think, again, howckeme?
He's not sitting next to me. At trial, we tried
to show that to the jury. We were not allowed
to show any of that to the jury. We couldn't
show that the jury the video clips of Reps doing that.

(01:26:47):
We were not allowed to call Reps as a witness.
We were not allowed to have mentioned his name. And
then the JA sixth Select Committee, same thing. He scrubbed
from all of their video, all their testimony. They show
Ryan Samsel shoving over the bike rack, knocking this female
police officer backward and she hits her head on a

(01:27:08):
on a concrete step and gets knocked out. She's there
to testify about that. They show the clip of him
doing that, but they don't show ray Epps two seconds
before was spring in his ear. He gets cut out
and left out. And you would think that the J
six Collectmittee, which alleged this big conspiracy with oathkeepers, proud
Boys and President Trump, you would think that they would

(01:27:28):
love to be able to say, look at this oath keeper,
it's looking gun on video telling everyone to go into
the in the capitol the next day. But he's a rased,
he's protected. Why is that?

Speaker 6 (01:27:38):
So?

Speaker 5 (01:27:38):
There you go, let's all say about that. Because I've
been falsely accused of being a FED, you know Darren
Beatty and I.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Also tried to claim that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
When you were was a year after January sixth, he
tried to say that you were a FED as well.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
Who Matt Geeks he was, well, it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
Was yeah, it was like him and him and march
Ley Green. It's because of it's because of Darren Beaties
that Darren Beatty got a bunch of crap from Pete
Santilly who held a grudge against and Pete Santilly is
just a worm against me. Since since frigging Bundy Ranch,
and he didn't like somebody accuses him being a fed.
And he still owes me an apology, but he's said

(01:28:17):
a bunch of crap and then gave that to to
to Darren Beatty, a revolver, And of course Darren Beatty
wants to you know, I want to blow He wants
to be the hero to blow up in Jay six, right,
So he runs around saying I'm a fed even after
I got arrested. I'm in solitary confinement. It's a surreal
experience being solitary confinement after your arrest, and people are

(01:28:37):
still saying you're a fed because they're they're now invested
in their own story. They don't want to be wrong.
Theyn'tant egg in their face. So he owes me to
freaking apology too. But hey, also, you know what, here's
anybody out there that thinks that somehow, somehow that you
maybe you still were fed. If I was a friggin fed,
I had to plut out. I'd have said guilty of

(01:28:59):
this conspiracy. I had just signed this false confession and
I just said yeah. President Trump told me to go
into the Capitol, and I had gone home. And how
I know I would have gone home because the guys
in our organization who did What's out and take that
deal signed a false confession against me, saying that I
cooked up an attack on the prom the capitol. They
went home, didn't do a day in prison. They were

(01:29:21):
finally sentenced to probation only, and then in the end
they got pardoned. I didn't get a pardon. I got
a commutation only. So why is that?

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
And so also, you know, it's sort of circling back
because I did look up and I found the name
of that Army SIOPS officer. Her name is. Let me
see if I can add this to the stage here.
I'm trying to. I think your thing is still up there.
Let me bump this over here. There we go. Yeah,

(01:29:54):
her name was Captain Emily Rainey. She let a North
Carolina group who the Rallies is a psychological operations officer.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
Oh yeah, I think I retired.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Well, yeah, it doesn't mean.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
It doesn't mean because she was retired intelligence, it doesn't
mean that she's a bad guy. You can't say.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Yeah. I just just just wanted to point that out
as well.

Speaker 5 (01:30:17):
Okay, right, So and that's that's the other thing. We
have to be really careful. That's why I like, do
I know beyond a doubt that Rays and fed No,
I haven't seen. I want to see it, though I
think yes, I think it's highly unlikely, but I want.
What I want kesh Matel and Bongino to do is
show us all of the Feds, all of the informants,

(01:30:42):
all the paid provocateurs that were involved around J six
or against the Right getting up in twenty twenty. I
want all their names. The reason why I want all
their names is so that we all know who to
avoid in the future. Their neighbors should know if they
were that they were federal informants and provocateurs. That's what
I think. Do us the favor and blow it all

(01:31:03):
open and help us to save the result the riddle
of Jay six. I don't understand why the Lotterman Committee's
not going forward. It makes no sense. We did a
real investigation, not just in Jay six, but in the
election of twenty twenty. Because whoever pulled that coup, ever
stole that election, they're still unpunished and they'll do it again.
M hm. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
The whole situation, like I literally could feel it was
different than any other situation that I've been in as
a person's covered hundreds of protests, January sixth did not
feel organic.

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
Well wait a minute, I'm pushed back on that a
little bit, because in November and December I was there
for both of them. Yeah, people marched from either Freedom
Plaza or the Ellipse area all the way to the
Capital to attend other permitted events already planned that day
that November. They did it again in December peacefully. The
same exact drills was planned for January the sixth. What

(01:31:56):
was different was that they lightly protected the capital h
the doors opened, and then all the provocateurs that pushed
people in.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
And that's what I meant by it didn't feel organic,
like there was assistance. I didn't mean as in, like
it didn't naturally happen. People still acted like humans and
followed and heard it in like sheeople when they.

Speaker 5 (01:32:14):
They were going to be there anyway. And I guess
the dad guys knew that they knew there was a
rally right outside of the east side doors Ali Alexander
was going to throw. They knew that Rogerstone was a
keynote speaker. They knew that Mark Tailly Green, Josh Holly,
and other rumors of Congress were already slated to speak
and announced to speak at that rally, and that's probably
where President Trump was going to speak that day. I
got a good feeling he really did want to go

(01:32:34):
to the Capitol. He wanted to go there, and why
wouldn't Why wouldn't he go to the next event that
was already scheduled. So I think that was already going
to happen organically and with validity. They manipulated that I
would call it a manipulated event.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
That I do agree.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
I do believe that there was some influence and we
see it all the time, like we mentioned before, even
with law enforcement, and they could, they had the opportunity
to get help, to get assistance, they were understaffed. It
was almost like that it was intentional. And I'm going
to send you that video. I actually was on the
war room with Owen Schreyer actually showing the evidence of

(01:33:11):
these airtable accounts from a week prior to January sixth
of Antifa trying to get like people to record and
report whereabouts of their hit list, which was I said,
about two hundred and fifty people.

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
And I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Once I get the video to you, you'll be able
to identify a lot of the people. And it's a
lot of the same people. When I cross reference that,
we're on the FBI list, So I literally.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
Think they went there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
And so it turned into the Feds their little videos
that they encourage, you know, people to do bad things,
and so that did.

Speaker 5 (01:33:44):
Is that the precursors to seditious Hunters?

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
Yeah, the sedition hunters.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Was that Bellancat that was giving the sedition hunters directive
and some of them are known Antifa. So and Bellincat
is a contractor, I believe for they do contract work
for the year. Was it United Nations amongst other things?
And Bellincat also I learned that from Gray State, which

(01:34:09):
is a blog who is at a gray zone that's
not grace.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
It was, yeah, Max Blumenthal, Yeah, well that's that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
I want I want to see more about that too.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
I did a lot of deep dives and investigation we
found out and Antifa is underworking behind it, and there's
a lot of activists. Obviously, sedition Hunters were basically you know,
paid Antifa actors being used to go after their political adversaries,
and they were getting their direction from Bellingcat, which is
basically filled with like Antifa activists as well, and they

(01:34:44):
do a lot of work for the UN. And it's
interesting because that's a contractor for I believe our government
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
I'd have to pull all the information. We did a
whole episode on it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
We've done eleven hundred a thousand episodes and it's like
like digging through them.

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
It's kind of time to find some of these things sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
And don't tell me the CIA has nothing to do
with that. Come on, right, guys, if we gets rid
of the book called the Devil's Chessboard history, it's called
the Secret History of the of the c I A
and Alan Dolas. It's called The Devil's Chess Board. Really
good book. It goes through the history from day one,
Alan Dolas and his brother foss of Dola's there were

(01:35:22):
two Wall Street bankers who started these the c I A.
You know, and and they'd have their little fight men
from the very beginning. And they were dirty from the
very beginning, and you know, kidnapping people, including in the
United States, turn them over the dictators overseas, we tortured,
you know, assassination plots, regime change, fake protests.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
All over the world.

Speaker 5 (01:35:43):
It's all laid out and can and of course Kenny's assassination,
you know, of course. Yeah, yeah, like there was a
there was actually a second attempt or first attempt in Chicago,
almost identical. They had. They had an ex marine they
set up as a passy, but local cop kind of
blew it open exposed it. Same same exact drill, an

(01:36:04):
L shaped route, the slowly car down on the way
to the to the to the Army Navy game, and
that's where that's where Kenny was gonna go. They canceled
that because of this blot got exposed. Two teams of shooters,
same same drill, and they did the same thing in
Dallas at that time. It wasn't exposed in time and
and it happened.

Speaker 4 (01:36:20):
Yeah, there was an individual when I did.

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
I thought Don was saying in there, Yeah, there was
an individual. I tied a lot of the philosophical like,
what was that done?

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
I apologize.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
I guess there's a little bit of a lag on
my end. Yeah, I'm assuming there's a little bit of
a lag on my end. I was I got you
going to say that one of the big things with
just the Kennedy thing one of the biggest smoking guns
to me, because I highly doubt that we'll ever get
a smoking gun per se from say a declassified document.
But Jacob Hornberger, who runs the Future of Freedom Foundation

(01:37:01):
is also run for president as a Libertarian at one point,
has done a lot of fantastic work on it as well,
and was able to show with a documentary of some
of the doctors from Parkland Hospital proof that the Secret
Service and the United States Army deliberately defrauded the JFK

(01:37:23):
autopsy report. And Hornberger's point, which I absolutely agree with,
there's only one reason the Secret Service in the Army
is going to put out a fraudulent autopsy report. It's
because they were involved.

Speaker 5 (01:37:34):
Well, they're covering it up and you know. But what
I like that first is a fact. So facts one.
The car is supposed to be going forty two miles
an hour minimum. It was going ten miles per hour.
Like I said, they put in an EL curve or
L turned to turn it down to slow it down,
an L shaped turn. The Secret Service agents who had

(01:37:56):
ridden on the running boards of the car just the
day before in Houston now we're told not ride on
the running boards, not standing on the running boards, and
instead to stand on the running boards of the car
following it. That's point number two. Number three. The bike
cops who in David foreign Houston, right next to the
next to the limousine, next to the President's car, were
also told to stay back, so his protection was pulled back.

(01:38:20):
Who can do that? Only the Treasury Department. That's who
ran Secret Service back then. Now it's under DHS. What
best who pulled back? It was by orders. The mob
can't do that, right, you know, Communism's communists can't do that.
Freaking the pass he can't do that. So you know
Oswald couldn't do that. Only the Secret Service could do

(01:38:43):
that under orders from someone in Washington, DC. So they
pulled back the security. That's the easiest way to kill somebody.
That's why I knew it was a setup in Butler.
You know, all the nonsense, but the slant roof is
too dangerous and all that nonsense, and it was. And
you know what they did. They put the shooter right
over the top of where they had local SWAT guys

(01:39:05):
sitting inside looking out a window. Yep, So that way
and why would they do that to cause confusion so
that when the swat the the Secret Service snipers saw
someone on the roof, well that's where the other cops,
the local cops are, so they're not going to shoot
that guy until he opens fire. Then they shot him.
But at first though, I'll go, shit, we have a

(01:39:26):
decomplition decomplition problem. We don't know who that guy is.
We assume as must be there. We can't call and
find out because no one gave us radios. They made
sure the local cops were like, hey man, here's some
radios from us to give to your people. They gave
it to the the Secret Service supervisors. They did not
give them to their snippers. So people inside the Secret

(01:39:46):
Service set the president up to be shot. That's the
bottom line. That's this reality, guys. That's what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
There's no way that that guy just mosied on on
there climbed up their people that cops know just in there.
By the way, I found that video for you, Stuart.
I'm going to show it to you right now here. Go,
let's pull it up on the screen. This is December
thirty first, twenty twenty, so this is right before we're
gonna put it. I'll put it on full screen here
so we can kind of see it, and well we'll

(01:40:16):
hit play here and let's see you can get a
little audio on it. But basically we'll play it in
the background here. So what we have here is an
airtable account and they have all these individuals, right, these
are all people they want targeted. And there's a link
to report whereabouts on January sixth on the bottom. And
this was an Antifa airtable account and it just had

(01:40:38):
tons of individuals and they marked it as white nationalists.
And a lot of these people are minorities we're talking about.
That's just wild to me. Of course, why is it
that now minorities are considered what, you know, white nationalists?

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
Of course, come on, guys, you know the answer to that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
But so this is just a smoking gun that they
at least intended to actually identify and report where these
A lot of them were influencers were, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
Joe Hannon and the reporter the networks for Blaze. He
found of course it was never given my lawyers, but
he found video that you can see the camera moving
and following me as I walk around outside of the Capitol.
I'm being followed by someone. It was as creepy as hell.
As I'm on my phone and giving interviews and stuff,
they're following me on camera. So yes, the people who

(01:41:28):
were they considered leadership in the MAGA movement or the
Patriot movement were being watched and monitor that day, absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
And so they used it to go ahead and turn
you guys. And that's Gabriel Brown. He's one of the
He's in the ANTIFA top ten hit list and he
was on their list. He was there that day and
he was videotaped and turned in as well as very
interesting because they had a top ten hit list of
people that were interested in and he's done a lifelong
study of antifil and he's tied it down to one guy,

(01:41:58):
one or two guys that are philosophic fuckally encouraging this behavior.
One of them's name is Chip Berlay. Another one's name
goes by a pseudonym of Spencer Sunshine. Both of them
are very influential in the anti fab movement.

Speaker 5 (01:42:13):
I mean a lot of times we've found a lot
of a lot of times as college professors.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
Yep, that's Chipper Lay for you. He's a type dude.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does all the anti conspiracy books
disproving nine to eleven was a conspiracy.

Speaker 5 (01:42:25):
That type of dude. Hm hmm. Lo, that's interesting. So
that's just whatever he's saying, flipping flipping, flipping around, and
there's the truth right right upside down.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
So Alexander, Alexander, alex Jones, these are the people that
are on their list that they're looking for.

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
They got the picture.

Speaker 5 (01:42:43):
That's interesting. So something else that that happened real quick.
So the night before j six, Enrique Tario and I
had never met, but I was with Kelly Sirell. We
were dating at the time, and she was the lawyer
for Oathkeepers of All to Legal counsel. She also served
as voluntary legal council for Latinos for Trump, and she

(01:43:06):
wanted to go meet with Bianca Garcia, the leader of
Latinos for Trump. So we meet and three other oath
Keepers escorted her to the Phoenix Hotel to go meet
with Bianca, and then Beanca's like, Enrique got kicked out
and he's across the street in the hotel in the
garage getting ready to leave. Do you want to go
talk to him? Because she wanted she wanted Kelly Cirella
to talk to Enrique about his criminal case, you know,

(01:43:28):
as a potential counsel. So she said, yeah, I want
to talk to her, talk to him. So we escorted
her across the street, and this is on video. The
video shows and Enrique had an embedded film crew with him.
So they show us walking up meeting Kelly Cerell and Bianca.
Then I walk up and I just shook his hand

(01:43:48):
and said, hey, I'm Stuart Rhodes. I'm glad you're out
of prison. Nice to meet you. And he said the
pleasures a online and then I walked away. And that's it.
Me and my other guys, we walked away, turned our
backs to them. One give them privacy so he can
have an attorney client privileged conversation with Kelly Cirell as
an attorney, and we just they're doing security. We're out

(01:44:08):
of earshot, paying attention to it, our surroundings. That's it.
They took that and they said, oh, that's a meeting
of the Oathkeeper leader and the Proud Boy leader to
finalize their assault plans. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
Right, and you're a conspiracy theorists, right.

Speaker 5 (01:44:24):
So the Jay sixth Select Committee, they can't show the
video because the video this shows me saying hello and
walking away. So instead they show a still photo of
a me and Enrique standing in front of each other
looking at each other. That's what they use. These are
still photo. That's how that's how crooked and deceptive they were,
and that's how it was throughout all of our cases.

(01:44:45):
In our case, we had two police officers who lied
on the stand. Bald Face lied and got caught later
because they claimed that they were together on Jay six
while our guys confronted Officer Harry Dunn. You know, they
were helping Harry dun They were de escalating and potentially
deadly confrontation because Harry Dune was about a fire on
a group of Trump supporters. He's streaming and yelling at

(01:45:07):
him three going to kill him, and our guys got
in between, put their hands up and just de escalated
the situation. You know, they're back to the cop the
hands towards the Trump supporters. But to unwine the truth
or to cover the truth up, Harry Dunnan gets on
the stand and says, oh no, because at first he
said he admitted to the FBI that he had been
helped by the oarthkeepers. But then on a trial, he's like, oh, no,

(01:45:28):
I was mistaken. That was some other group of people
dressed like that who helped me. These guys were hostile,
and Oscar Lazarus was with me. He saw how hostile
they were. And then they put Oscar Lazarus on the stand.
He goes, yeah, I saw that, you know I was.
I was afraid for his safety. He would have a
very very hostile Well, Steve Baker finds video later of
Oscar Lazarus, who was on the personal security detail for

(01:45:49):
Nancy Pelosi. They find video of him under the Senate
in the tunnels under the Senate at that time. He
couldn't have been there because he was in the tunnels.
So both them are caught right handed, line on the
stand comming progery.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
In our case, roads, we're running out of time here,
we got a couple of minutes left. Let our listeners know,
how can they support you? First of all, because there's
a lot of our listeners that understand what happened on
January sixth, and they might be interested in supporting you.
Here we're live on kg R A d B here
after Clyde Lewis and Ground Zero, and we get a
lot of listeners in and they might want to send

(01:46:25):
you a little bit of help or learn more about you.
Where can they get a hold of you?

Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
Well, so to help me out, and hey, we're all
trying to build our lives. I lost everything. Then go
to gifts and go dot com forward slash g A
F five B that's Golf Alpha foxtrot five Bravo. I
can definitely use the help. Also, I'm a national spokesman
now for condemned USA.

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
What is condemned USA?

Speaker 5 (01:46:50):
By some way, condemned USA was started by Trenis Evans,
another J sixer, and hey, no one was helping us
from you Sitdy Powell helped me pay for my attorneys.
Outside of that though, hardly anyone was helping anybody. So
he started this organization out of frustration to make sure
that we can provide like an ACLU for our side.
That's what condemned USA does. We advocate for political prisoners

(01:47:12):
who are still in the United States, like Tina Peters,
the election worker in Colorado. We're trying to get her
case removed to federal court ruin Mika's brief for that.
So that's what we're about. It is being the ACLU
for the political right to help people that are being
targeted because anywhere on the left, sadly is in power,
they're going to use law fair against conservatives. That's already

(01:47:33):
been demonstrated and is still ongoing. So I encourage folks
to go and support Condemned USA. They can do that.
It gives and go also gives endgo dot Com Forward
slash c entirelie USSA, so they can do that. And
I think I'm on Rumble. I'm on Okay Stewart Roads
on Rumble and just got that account. I haven't doning

(01:47:54):
with it yet, but I'm gonna start working on that one.
And I'm on Facebook. I just got restored to Facebook.
I'm still suspended on that though I don't know why,
but X for some reason is now worse than Facebook
when it comes to me. I don't know why it's happening, but.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
It's interesting Elon must claiming to be the bastion of
freedom of speech.

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
He seems to be a dictator over there on X.
It's his platform, so it could be.

Speaker 5 (01:48:17):
It could be a ghost machine with algorithm, can you
given the benefit of a doubt, But it needs but
it needs to be fixed because I need to have
an x account, you know, because you know, it's like
I'm looking on it. Actually, people we're talking crap about me.
I can't even rebut somebody you can't respond, you know,
I'm like banging on the glass looking in and going.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
Hey, yes, anything you want to know. I did a
deep dive in the hand of an anti fund. I
got a lot of links that tied different organizations that
were interested and obviously you were a headpoint and a
poster child at one time for the insurrection and trying
to take down Trump. And it's really interesting how they
took an organization that was really genuine I wanted to

(01:48:56):
protect our constitutional rights and try to turn that into
the bad It's like when William Cooper said that they
want to take Patriot and make it a bad name.

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
Uh yeah, absolutely exactly what it was.

Speaker 5 (01:49:07):
You know. Well, the jump the Shark though, because you
got Biden standing in front of Independence Hall, you know,
with that red backlight condemning all of MAGA as the
greatest threat to democracy. It's just so ridiculous. And white supremacists.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Everyone's a white supremacist. Yeah, and then they find what
white supremacy is.

Speaker 5 (01:49:24):
If you believe in the Constitution. The Constitution is racist,
so you must be racist. You know. It's it's it's
it's complete garbage. So I'm probably gonna rebuild oathkeepers in
some form. I'm still trying to sign because we're still
in litigation. We're still co defenders and President Trump in
two lawsuits alleging the same nonsense that there was a
conspiracy to violate the KKK Act, another another holdover from

(01:49:46):
the Civil War, the KKK Act. We did get it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
I wanted to ask you about the Insurrection Act that
you wanted Trump to enact, but we don't really have
time for that.

Speaker 5 (01:49:55):
No, that was the yeah you're talking about, right, Yeah, yeah,
I wanted to the Insurrection Act because we had a
situation where the system was failing, which I had the
rights to American people, the right to vote, for example,
and their right to peacefully assemble, not love being attacked.
That was that was being assaulted and attacked all through
twenty twenty. Twenty twenty is an absolute breakdown. That was

(01:50:16):
an open insurrection.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
I can't remember how many protests I covered, but it
was like bad anarchy. It was lawlessness, and a lot
was allowed to get away with it seemed like the
law and legislation, there's like two different types of judiciary systems,
one for conservatives that were protesting or rallying and ones
for leftists.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
And it's interesting to follow the money and see where
it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
But we should definitely talk off off the show about
a lot of these links. We tied together because I
did a lot of research talking to some of the
best who investigated Antifa and what their goal is and
how a lot of them are now fighting alongside the
Azov battalion in Ukraine.

Speaker 4 (01:50:55):
Isn't that something? And all this other weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
So that being said, Stuart Rhodes is our guest thing.
Thank you to Kristin Megan Kelly for setting up this interview.
She's my homegirl. Although she's a Chicago Bears fan. I
do forgive her for that. As you know, Green Bay
Packers are the religion here in Wisconsin. And that being said,
Sewer Rhodes, we'll have to have you back, Stay blessed
and let's chat after the show is over.

Speaker 4 (01:51:15):
You can shoot me at text.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
All right, all right, guys, We'll see you guys tomorrow
on The Rundown Live on kg R dB dot com
Band video, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Speakers, Stitcher, anywhere where podcasts are found,
rumble dot com, Forward Slash The Rundown live in Live
on KGRA Hudson Valley, New York. Salt Lake City, Utah.
You guys, stay blessed. We'll see you guys tomorrow. If

(01:51:52):
you can hear this, you are not alone.

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
This is the resistance.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 5 (01:52:07):
Were not alone. This is the resistance. Were not alone.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
This is the resistance.

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